Vibe Reverse Engineering Toolset

[bright ermine]

[solemn epoch]

[quaint kelp]

i wonder the only way cams dont work right in vr with remix is cause the world matrix is changing each time with head tracking

[alpine dove]

thats sick but like can u answer my question tho

[rose oasis]

I woke up 6 times that night

[rose oasis]

I didn't actually run it with remix so I can't. I misread the message

[alpine dove]

What about og f4 vr

[bright ermine]

oh mb sry ill remove the circle

(ok im done)

[rose oasis]

pretty intensive actually

I can get 90 fps just barely with that mod pack on my 5080

[quaint kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP5zj2TzCkM

[rose oasis]

I never ran it completely vanilla

[alpine dove]

i wonder how much of f4 remix’s bad perf is because of path tracing or just fallout 4 being the bottleneck

[rose oasis]

neither

it's the current way I have the plugin set up

[quaint kelp]

oh f4se?

[rose oasis]

I'm loading too many cells at once, not culling at all, and it requires pre combines to be disabled

Skyrim runs a lot better

[quaint kelp]

i wonder how they made space open now for starfield to see if it can be adapted for fo4

[simple orchid]

Anyone tried the Google ultra plan? 👀 gemini’s been my favorite and they got a pretty nice deal rn

[vagrant kernel]

For vibe coding stuff?

[vagrant kernel]

Love when I just prompt the AI in the background and suddenly a window like this pops up

GreatHmmm words spotted

[muted sun]

lol

[simple orchid]

Yeah, the selling points the 2m context window 👀

[vital dew]

2M context??? how much is the plan??

[rose oasis]

just so u guys are aware: more context isn't necessarily better. a lot of the time context figures are inaccurate. Claude Opus 1m for example... the model starts to shit itself after only 500k is used. when i tried gemini it was similar, ~600k maybe

how effectively it uses that context is what's important

if gemini does, that's awesome

and it'll probably be cheaper/better value

good for doing simpler tasks that need a lot of context too

[golden raven]

https://youtu.be/d3Qq-rkp_to

As expected, mythos is a whole bunch of marketing

[vagrant kernel]

Anyone smart know the best way to figure out a games memory address that stores a current level ID?

[crystal kiln]

If the level have names, you can start by searching the binary strings and then xref all them to see where the string names are used, and keep searching from there. It is hard because the concept of a "level ID" is too vague, depends on each game, could be a mesh, could be a BSP tree leaf, a file on disk...

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah, I just had to tell the AI to pull it from the games code in the end. Maybe I can figure out a way to put it into a tool to ship in the end.

I implemented an ASI patch that reads the games memory addresses at runtime. You can define the address that holds the current level ID and it'll create .conf files based on that ID that you can edit freely. Then I modified the runtime to load those .conf files when you're that particular level. This way I can light different levels in a certain way with the sky light for example.

Here's an example of the first level having the sun be above the horizon (ignore the horrible settings) and then in the second it's night

Slopped explanation

AI just making shit up

technically this could be used for any memory address I guess, could open up some other options

If a certain part of a game is really broken and you just can't fix it you could turn off RT for example. Or push certain quality settings in certain scenes

crappy examples i know but it's 3am

[alpine dove]

ya for something supposedly this dangerous its weird they’re hyping it up a bunch, even to the point of branding

which ig makes sense

i just dont know why they’re pretending they’re not doing that

[vagrant kernel]

Modified the level conf system to have a button to save unsaved changes to the level conf, alongside a level name that's also being displayed if it's present. Saving reloads the changes from the level.conf but keeps the rtx.conf baseline present in the runtime, so it doesn't carry over to other levels.

So you can just go through the game, make changes to a level, save to the level config, then move on.

[sharp seal]

what if you could do quick material edits for a game within a runtime, per texture

[rose oasis]

ccoollll

[sharp seal]

then save into mod.usda and hotload it again to see the effect

[vagrant kernel]

In-game contrast/levels adjustments for stuff like roughness maps would be sick. But probably a pain to implement

[rose oasis]

🙏 i want the ability to quickly add lights to things in the overlay and be able to adjust them, instead of the pure white default with no adjustable brightness

it'd help a lot with games that don't have stable captures yet

[sharp seal]

Kind of like a add light option in the game and you just you use mouse to snap onto game geometry

that would require a capture state no, how else would you attach it to the game mesh?

[rose oasis]

well, the add light option is already adding a real light to the object

i just want the ability to move it and change the color

[sharp seal]

Yes that would be great

[vital dew]

Would really love to see something like this merged, granted novice users will need a disclaimer that states you need to do the programming work for the integration

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah, I think something like this would be really helpful.

Dark Souls ain't flat no more

[sharp seal]

Is that POM

[vagrant kernel]

Some normal maps look weird though

[vagrant kernel]

No just normal maps

[sharp seal]

Hmm. Gotta invert the maps

[vagrant kernel]

Do some games have inverted maps? Conversion to octahedral is not enough?

[sharp seal]

Btw dark souls uses NPR for its materials so you have to mess around with the right conversion workflow

[rose oasis]

that looks more like the roughness map is being weird too

[rose oasis]

i've never heard of games having mixed normal maps like this

[sharp seal]

it's not gonna fit correctly even with the standard octahedral NM conversion so you'll have to process those maps separately

could you send a normal map from the game here? Let me take a look

[rose oasis]

😔

in FO4 the roughness maps have this issue

[vagrant kernel]

For that texture there is only a normal map

diffuse

[fathom oyster]

Remix VR is almost ready.

[vagrant kernel]

Here's the original normal map

[rose oasis]

how do other normal maps look in comparison

[vagrant kernel]

Here's one I think looks pretty alright in-game

[rose oasis]

it looks like it's just a normal map that won't port over that well to remix. some are like that. i've had it with CC0 textures too

[alpine dove]

im guessing it has to be inverted

[sharp seal]

Y channel is up so this seems to be OGL

or wait

hard to tell from just looking at it

Should be good to go but looks like some normal maps are inverted, idk why it's giving wrong results for Remix octahedral conversion

Here's a little guide on how to identify the convention type

[rose oasis]

it doesn't look like they're inverted from each other though

it's just that one is kind of a shitty normal map and looks bad in remix

[alpine dove]

still a good idea to try cause the brick gaps seem to shine like they're in front

[rose oasis]

i agree... but if this is the case, it means all of them are inverted

[sharp seal]

Hard to say it looks shitty, I mean currently it looks inverted just because the mortar is sticking out

[rose oasis]

i'm saying it looks shitty because it looked shitty in the original game too

[vagrant kernel]

It could just be a crappy normal map that the original renderer handled ok (or no one looked to closesly)

I asked the AI to look at the shaders to figure out what convention the game uses originally

[sharp seal]

I mean it is a 360/PS3 era game so most normal maps just exist for the sake of existing

Have you tried PBRFusion4 on the base textures yet?

[rose oasis]

for FO4 and Skyrim, i decided not to try fixing these original textures because they'll just be replaced later in the toolkit

there's no reason to waste time fixing edge case texture issues

[vagrant kernel]

Conclusion: DS1 uses DirectX tangent-space convention (TANGENT_SPACE_DX). The shader stores and reads G as bitangent_Y+ = down in UV space, which is the Direct3D convention. Our int inputs:encoding = 2 in pbr.usda is correct and no G-flip is needed during conversion.

[sharp seal]

Skyrim in particular might have some good texture packs so most of the work is done

[rose oasis]

yes

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah I need to just go through the game. A lot of the normal maps look decent actually, the weird ones could be fixed manually

[rose oasis]

only thing that's missing is metallic maps and such

bethesda games have a "PBR" system. not real PBR

it's hard to get good approximations from it for Remix

FO4 is particularly cursed

skyrim has been fine on 99% of them

[bright ermine]

beat me to the punch, excited to see the results

[rose oasis]

when i feel better/less sick i would be happy to test on my VR headset

[sharp seal]

Straight BARS

[alpine dove]

pls for ur sake try the most stable remix game like

ever

ik hard find but like

for ur health

im really scared what it'll look like for u

enable dlss ultra perf for protection

[bright roost]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DW7u1kPDc5Z/?igsh=NGV0Y3ZkajNyd2J2

[vagrant kernel]

Damn, I questioned my PBR converter yet I just found straigh booshit in DS1 files

specular map for this texture

[rose oasis]

yeahhhhh....

[vagrant kernel]

So this will just be about fixing From's mistakes

Pretty crazy what a difference normal maps can do though.

[rose oasis]

someone made a node for chaiNNer to approximate height maps from normal map. i tried it and it was pretty accurate

afaik it hasn't been merged yet, but when it is i'll post it here because it's really useful

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah, I definitely wanna try doing that

[rose oasis]

original heightmap | the approximation from normal map

[sharp seal]

This is peak

[rose oasis]

actually i'm building the zip rn for you to use

[vagrant kernel]

In case people wanna mess with this PBR tool I made. This takes unpacked game textures, hashes albedo, figures out normal and specular based on suffixes and stuff (like _n, _s), converts normal maps and creates a mod folder with all the files and the usda. There is a template.ini.

Haven't tested this myself yet as I don't have another unpacked game laying around. In this initial stage it might be good for someone to point an AI at and say "do this for my game".

[rose oasis]

ohhh

you're doing it that way

you can do it in the runtime btw. you don't need to do it through a mod folder

i'm doing this for FO4 and Skyrim. helps a lot

here

[vagrant kernel]

You mean through Remix API or something?

[rose oasis]

this has the normal map -> height map conversion in it

i'd recommend using the "invert" option

[vagrant kernel]

Thanks! Will definitely use it on Dark Souls later

[rose oasis]

i am doing that, but i've seen other projects handle it in the runtime without using the API

afaik xoxor does it for GTA 4

[vagrant kernel]

I think xoxor is actually using the games shaders to figure out which maps to use and then is dumping them. GTA 4 is really weird and not 1:1 with that stuff in terms of albedo to normal and specular association

[rose oasis]

in skyrim, i'm handling it similarly

[vagrant kernel]

All the games I worked on so far just had the textures in a folder with normal and specular next to it so I thought a simple script like this made sense

[rose oasis]

it pulls the texture data while it's running from shaders, parses it, and converts accordingly

[rose oasis]

yeah that does make sense then

[rose oasis]

i did something like this for FNV, but it wasn't complete. i'll def give yours a try. would you mind plopping it on github, or attaching a license to it?

[vagrant kernel]

Sure, once it's a bit further along and I've maybe actually looked at the source code to see if it all makes sense

In terms on license people can just use, modify and share the stuff I upload as they please.

[rose oasis]

[rose oasis]

i integrated the original code for this into my skyrim mod

[sharp seal]

Looks pretty good

[rose oasis]

not as good as a proper replacement, but a lot better than it was before

[alpine dove]

Imagine silpom ❤️

[rose oasis]

what texture pack should i try 🤔

[alpine dove]

the minecraft one

[vagrant kernel]

Is there any open source implementation of this anywhere

[rose oasis]

what is silpom

[vagrant kernel]

Silhouette POM, that affects the silhouette of the mesh as well similar to how tessellation would look

Used in CryEngine and recently Crimson Desert

[rose oasis]

oh

mm

i'll look into it

[alpine dove]

only papers sadly

[rose oasis]

i found one that's clear enough that it could be implemented

[alpine dove]

its actually heartbreaking how unknown this technique is

[rose oasis]

i'm gonna give it a shot

found two solid papers for it

[alpine dove]

Hopefully the artifacts silpom come with wont be too obvious

i think in crimson desert when the silpom’d wall leaves through the edge of the screen the POM effect slowly dissapears till it returns to being flat

[dull swallow]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFK5xHdagAAjnwo.webp

[vagrant kernel]

I also sicked Claude on the papers, let's see if we come up with something

Considering AI RNG I actually think multiple people trying the same thing could make sense

[rose oasis]

😔

https://github.blog/changelog/2026-04-10-enforcing-new-limits-and-retiring-opus-4-6-fast-from-copilot-pro/

[vagrant kernel]

Knew it was too good to be true

[rose oasis]

i'm hungry

[vagrant kernel]

Good thing I got Dark Souls RTX in before things went to shit

[fathom oyster]

Still need to figure out how to hook the in game camera through its matrix. I might need to dynamically scan game memory to match the camera matrix; otherwise it’s basically just a giant 3D screen floating in front of you.

[vagrant kernel]

Hopefully some Chinese company will come up with a way to give us Claude but the way we need

Not exactly that model, but something similar

[dull swallow]

speaking of

i forgot to cancel my sub to cursor

so bleh

[rose oasis]

u can ask for a refund

they gave me one

[dull swallow]

ehhhh

im js gonna use this month canceled

or let someone else use it

maybe

[bright ermine]

🥲

[fathom oyster]

GLM 5.1 with Claude Code is actually pretty good, by the way. I’m using it for the VR mod, along with some custom skills and a web model for research and tool call support. My Copilot already blew past the Pro+ usage limit while I was doing another VRE project in just a few days…

[vagrant kernel]

Nice, I'll see how much this rate limiting will affect me, but that could be a good option

[sharp seal]

Is this because of us 😭😭😭

[rose oasis]

no

a lot of people buy the subscriptions en mass on alt accs and abuse it

[vagrant kernel]

I do wonder what people be doing

What could be more important than RTX

[sharp seal]

Blockchain development

[rose oasis]

microsoft is using it to make windows updates

[vagrant kernel]

Oh yeah there was that news about Apple pretty much running on Claude/Anthropic now

Which you can really tell with their latest OS updates btw

[rose oasis]

"what's the fastest way to ruin decades of development"

[solemn epoch]

the great enslopiffication of codebases

[rose oasis]

see

for me, claude saves my code from being slop

[vagrant kernel]

For me, Claude makes "my" code exist in the first place.

Still my goatetst creation

[dull swallow]

Claude makes our

[solemn epoch]

You're learning Japanese? that's tough mate

[vagrant kernel]

Claude tried implementing silhouette POM but it didn't really work. Silhouette is unaffected. Maybe Kim has more luck

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah, that's why I need tools like this

[muted sun]

crimson desert uses screen space displacement mapping actually
according to the game files

[solemn epoch]

I'm interested in linguistics and not even trying to tackle the non Indo-European stuff 😄

Japanese is insanely difficult

[vagrant kernel]

Damn, so it wouldn't like change the silhouette for a wall around the corner?

[muted sun]

no idea
that's just what I was told by the renodx guys working on crimson desert lol

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah, literally everything is different and vocab is neverending. People constantly went like "you don't actually need vocab, it'll come naturally" but that's a lie, unless you wanna stay at super basic level

[rose oasis]

first build is almost done 🤞

[vagrant kernel]

I'd like RTX Remix to be as little screen space as possible but I'd make an exception for silhouette POM

[vagrant kernel]

Hope you'll be more successful

[solemn epoch]

Nothing comes naturally with an isolated insular language family from the far end of the world

[muted sun]

yeah it would really nice I think

[rose oasis]

no luck on your end?

[vagrant kernel]

No, it just implemented a bit of garbo. Its "silhouette POM slider" just did a cutoff which made the "deepest" parts of the texture invisible. I tried 2-3 iterations but the same thing. Every actual mesh edge kept being straight as a line

[rose oasis]

😔

[vagrant kernel]

I believe in AI RNG. Yours could be more successful. I'd iterate more but the rate limit thing has me scared

[fathom oyster]

I noticed something while creating a new branch. Sultim is cooking too.

[alpine dove]

hope that dont mean ur work became obsolete?

[vagrant kernel]

Sultim is the OG master cooker so it doesn't surprise me he's on that as well

[sharp seal]

If sultim is taking interest then there is potential in VR path tracing

We're gonna be shooting rays out of our eyes soon

To trace our virtual paths

[alpine dove]

i do like how he's doing early work on this if its true 60 series has doubled PT perf, would mean the 6090 could run at a native quest 2 res 72hz

which is what bonelab on there already runs at either way with heavy foveated rendering

[alpine dove]

with foveated rendering and a little bit of upscaling i could see perf leading towards a solid 90 fps

im so excited for the future

[rose oasis]

okay

anyone wanna try the build for it?

i don't have any games with good height maps to test with

[vagrant kernel]

I can test it, I have a spot in Manhunt where I increased the height maps to the point where they should affect edges

[dull swallow]

is this js remix alone or is it dx11 specific

[rose oasis]

remix in general

it's a new displacement method that should improve quality a lot

but i can't tell if it works rn

[dull swallow]

ill test it in some games rq with no pom

[rose oasis]

well, it needs height maps assigned to textures to do anything

[dull swallow]

oh

nvm then

ig

[rose oasis]

working on a bug fix. realized the checkbox implementation is borked

gimme a min, uploading new build

🤞 almost done

hopefully it works

@vagrant kernel

it's in the dropdown now

[vagrant kernel]

Nice, will test immediately

[vagrant kernel]

Can you also give me the compatible bridge d3d9.dll?

[rose oasis]

any bridge should work with it

i didn't compile it though

[vagrant kernel]

Tested it, sadly doesn't seem to do anything, at least with my setup in Manhunt

[rose oasis]

😔

i'll review it

[vagrant kernel]

I get the feeling doing mesh outline trickery might be hard to do with a path tracer

[rose oasis]

claude said as much while implementing

[quaint kelp]

this looks neat

[vagrant kernel]

How about automatically generating mesh replacements on the fly with the height data

[rose oasis]

[quaint kelp]

havent tested skyrim with my build yet other than kim trying hers. but im about to see

hangs but lol

[rose oasis]

if it worked i'd be upset lol

[quaint kelp]

lol

dont push yourself

we all doin somethin

[solemn epoch]

[rose oasis]

quick, get claude to fix it

[alpine dove]

"you're absolutely right! Here let me fix this."

[solemn epoch]

I keep getting ❌ Invalid string length today

[rose oasis]

@vagrant kernel got another one to test

[solemn epoch]

I think I've hit the chat longevity limit

[rose oasis]

nvm it's still borked. grr

[quaint kelp]

kim have you tried looking at community shaders project for skyrim to see if anything can be used?

[rose oasis]

not touching anything from doodlum

[quaint kelp]

k

[rose oasis]

i'd also recommend against doing it

it's licensed freely but he's extremely aggressive and rude

[quaint kelp]

oh

damn i didnt know

[rose oasis]

#1489456366765473892 message

[quaint kelp]

ew wtf

https://tenor.com/view/whet-what-ew-can-you-not-stop-gif-9908266

[dull swallow]

Wow what a jerk

I love automod

[rose oasis]

decided to turn off that filter. it just catches pretty innocent words. most useless automod filter

[solemn epoch]

Well at least they're making their stance plain

I've met some weird bastards who would be like "oh yeah no problem" and then would just DMCA for no apparent reason

[muted sun]

gpl licensed
threatens to dmca you if you use it

[vagrant kernel]

Just have a stricter license

[crimson yacht]

Kim should charge 50$ for FO4 RTX For fun because she has the legal right to do it

[sharp seal]

Extra $10 for piper to be properly path traced

[crimson yacht]

Now that would get kim a job at bethesda

[muted sun]

path traced cbbe

[quaint kelp]

@dull swallow and @golden raven for mod pls

[crimson yacht]

[golden raven]

huh

[crimson yacht]

You cant be serious

[golden raven]

what

explain

[quaint kelp]

i just think they deserve it theyve been here for a bit

[golden raven]

I am ogling google earth 3d maps rn

[crimson yacht]

Yeah lets give the most banned guy here mod

[sharp seal]

ah yes oogle

[crimson yacht]

No disrespect to uncle, but come on now

[golden raven]

huh

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/pasta-cat-cat-spaghetti-noodle-spaghetti-cat-fail-gif-14150012035755281759

[golden raven]

literally flight sim

[muted sun]

I volunteer not to be a mod 🫡

[golden raven]

hm

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

hold on

[crimson yacht]

Can has

[golden raven]

My brain is running

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-burrito-catrrito-burrito-cat-cat-burrito-gif-15539403974987066785

[dull swallow]

What makes us mod material

[quaint kelp]

because your blunt and have good perspectives

[sharp seal]

Me when I don't know how to access data straight from the imaging satellites already

[dull swallow]

I guess

[crimson yacht]

I think we should let me mods decide who and whom isnt mod material

[dull swallow]

@sharp seal make me mod thanks

[golden raven]

d3d11 boooooooo

[dull swallow]

[quaint kelp]

it was a vote

[dull swallow]

Google earth

[golden raven]

Sorry but I don't have a receiving dish on my roof

[rose oasis]

can i be mod 🥺

[sharp seal]

The council shall decide

[dull swallow]

Nour!!!

[dull swallow]

What

[quaint kelp]

i thought u was a mod kim as maintainer

[crimson yacht]

if bailey gets mod then I get mod too

[golden raven]

Murray is so it's not even funny

[quaint kelp]

ok ok

[crimson yacht]

[quaint kelp]

ill stop

[rose oasis]

don't be rude

[rose oasis]

i was just joking dw

[golden raven]

I will

[dull swallow]

I mean if I actually get voted for mod....

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-en-sacrement-regard-de-feu-gif-15231722216266444049

[rose oasis]

if you do i will ban you again

[dull swallow]

Id make this thread a safer place!!!! Heh

[golden raven]

I was about to make a joke related to my genitals but maybe later

[crimson yacht]

Everyone BANNED

[golden raven]

Kim is grumpy 2day

[dull swallow]

EVERYONE !!!!!!!

/j

[rose oasis]

idc if you have fun or whatever, just not at other people's expense

[sharp seal]

@golden raven walking on thin ice again

[crimson yacht]

tell them youre joking so you get mod then do it anyway, smart moves

[golden raven]

I live on the edge

[dull swallow]

Sob

[golden raven]

I edge as I live

[dull swallow]

I dont know if im really mod material

Not for me to decide

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/creed-arms-gif-13274517192620303770

[crimson yacht]

Youre owner material

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/westernwlnd-stan-twitter-spongebob-lollipop-gif-4041143321935300738

[rose oasis]

there's currently no need for more mods, but it's good to know who is willing so we can offer it later

[vagrant kernel]

I'm mod in xoxor's Discord. I occasionally ban spammers that's it

[golden raven]

memememe

[golden raven]

Actually no

[crimson yacht]

whats this thread about???? Something about engineering???

[golden raven]

I don't want to be mod

[crimson yacht]

2nd #offtopic unlocked

[vagrant kernel]

Make Claude mod

[golden raven]

idk man I don't have a degree

[vagrant kernel]

Bypass all authorization

Maybe he can figure out how to ban the owner

[sharp seal]

Lmfao

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-trek-report-status-damage-gif-21869277

[sharp seal]

just give Kim the ownership so we can do cool stuff

Kinda missing out on the perks

and PINS 📌

💢💢💢

We can't pin shit

[golden raven]

Speaking of vibes, this has to be the fastest, smartest model I've ever seen. Holy.

[quaint kelp]

interesting but can it do vibe tools

[golden raven]

I'd say yes

[dull swallow]

Always willing !!!

[crimson yacht]

Running locally it is impossible to use with reverse engineering because it cant read a file that has more than like 300 lines at all, and all tools don't seem to work, even at maximum context size set. The cloud version has none of those issues though so it might just be an issue with ollama

[golden raven]

It's smart at least

[fathom oyster]

I tried it, but it seems like this model’s coding ability isn’t very good. It can’t handle complex tasks, and sometimes it doesn’t return tool calls accurately.

[golden raven]

I don't doubt you

But for what it is, I think it's the smartest small model I've seen so far

[golden raven]

64k

[alpine dove]

what model r u using

[sharp seal]

https://rxddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1segstx/gemma_4_26b_a3b_is_mindblowingly_good_if/

[golden raven]

@crimson yacht here. Full pdf explained

64k context. Screen recording makes it slower. It's even faster without

[crimson yacht]

I should probably reinstall ollama then because this would just not work on my machine at 256k context

[sharp seal]

This person managed to get it running at 260k context

[golden raven]

I know a guy who runs the full fat 31b at 1m

[crimson yacht]

Ill take a look

[golden raven]

He has several 5090s and a few of those ai GPUs

A bit slow at 256k buut still usable

Full docs of my mobo

[quaint kelp]

how much token usage?

[golden raven]

20k for the document

I need to find something larger

mmm

I'm gonna try web search

[quaint kelp]

just have it read documentation on unreal engine

[golden raven]

lmao

[sharp seal]

Does it have vision?

[quaint kelp]

or you can feed it a cpp book

[golden raven]

yes @sharp seal

[sharp seal]

to this day I can't get any of your videos to run properly on my mobile (thanks discord)

[rose oasis]

i'm gonna mess about with it

[sharp seal]

That or a random video starts playing in the background from discord on another app

[rose oasis]

m

[golden raven]

Unleashed it on the remix source code

[quaint kelp]

gimme

lol

[vagrant kernel]

Can it convert xyzrhw to remix compatible format that's the question

[crimson yacht]

'

[vagrant kernel]

Bruh what were From thinking ✌️ 😭

[rose oasis]

use opencode + the API from ollama and it does pretty well

it can even use the vibe tools

[golden raven]

I tried opecode. Let me see how it works with vibe

[vagrant kernel]

I love it when Claude says "Implementing so and so..." and then doesn't do it

[crimson yacht]

I love it when opus 9 times out of 10 never works and gets stuck in an infinite thinking loop

[vagrant kernel]

Nightmares

[quaint kelp]

tf is that

[vagrant kernel]

Really need to figure this texture issue out cause it's giving me the creeps

[quaint kelp]

uv's

[rose oasis]

yes it's uv related

had a lot of issues with that in FO4

[quaint kelp]

and textcoords

[vagrant kernel]

In some areas the environmental textures are replaced with this big single repeating eye texture

Horror slop games wish they could be that creepy

[quaint kelp]

didnt someone port silent hill pt to unity

[dull swallow]

[rose oasis]

same thing, uvs

for the repetition at least

the incorrectly assigned texture is something else

[vagrant kernel]

In Dark Souls it's actually multiple meshes overlaying and affecting each others textures constantly. I can filter the draw calls, only issue is, what works for characters doesn't work for the environment and vice versa

[quaint kelp]

atatch a logger to the uv part

[vagrant kernel]

There is a weird thing where whatever shaders are left in the game affect the camera suddenly and when that happens the mesh order gets fucked up and the texture swapping begins

[golden raven]

@dull swallow

[dull swallow]

PLEASE

[golden raven]

On it

No promises

[dull swallow]

I BEG YOU

yeah

i keep my hopes low but

[golden raven]

I already have significant brain damage from trying rogue trooper over four times.

That game is either cursed or I just don't have the kim magic in me

[dull swallow]

yeah

well

best of luck to ya

[quaint kelp]

hey kim can you add that new ai agent to vscode pls

[solemn epoch]

It's frustrating when working on a relatively big project spending time getting nuanced things to work, and then coming back to the very foundation 30 hours later to find out that there are huge regressions all over the place

[crimson yacht]

Anyone else managed to break the games collision and start walking through walls trying to fix the camera

[rose oasis]

[rose oasis]

it can use subagents

[golden raven]

Oh you're online

Look

Renderdoc refuses

[rose oasis]

✨

yeah

there are ways around this

[golden raven]

how

[rose oasis]

you need a DRM free copy if you get my meaning

[golden raven]

My copy should be drm free

cuz I STOLE it

[rose oasis]

mm

[golden raven]

Claude just decided to cook up its own shader dumper lmao

[vagrant kernel]

Hmm.. dumper..

[golden raven]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-emotiguy-yellowboy-shake-gif-11126344289854454178

DAMN it

[rose oasis]

did you have it use the dx9 analysis scripts yet?

[golden raven]

Giving up for today

[rose oasis]

use scylla to dump the game exe while it's running, then have it run the analysis scripts on it

[golden raven]

So I tell it to unleash a couple agents on the scylla dump and unleash them on the renderer?

[rose oasis]

🤔

just tell it to run the dx9 analysis scripts on the scylla dump copy

it'll give it a lot of good information to get started with

[golden raven]

Okayy

[dull swallow]

Hows it going burrito

[golden raven]

very ver badly

I can at least get rogue to have a functioning ffp port and then get stuck on the detail

[rose oasis]

this game is cursed

[golden raven]

TS just won't

[rose oasis]

i spent ~2 days on it

[golden raven]

Oh you've tried already?

kek

[rose oasis]

yes

[dull swallow]

Yeah

I figured half that you'd have a different outcome but thatd why I kept my hopes low lmao

[golden raven]

I'm not giving up

I should be smart

I'll havve an interview in 12 hours

but no

uh huh

[rose oasis]

yeah so

this is one of few games that i would actually just try to use the Remix API to handle instead of FFP conversion

😠 i think a spider bit my foot

[golden raven]

This better work

Bro REd the whole binary

[rose oasis]

that's the intended workflow

bootstrap + ghidra decomp before doing anything else

[golden raven]

Only if I knew before

[quaint kelp]

its messed up. only got to hook

[golden raven]

Phuck this

bedtime

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

i feel kims pain on stress now lol

[crimson yacht]

Deep in the DVEEDS

[vital dew]

https://tenor.com/view/big-king-vape-smoking-smoke-gif-18924596

Deep in the Amish, smoking big doints

[crimson yacht]

Out of the weeds and now sniffing that matrix

huffing that matrix rn

[golden raven]

Ts giving me ai psychosis

[crimson yacht]

[crimson yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-cat-insane-cat-deranged-cat-gif-2528630332348525147

We're going to find the smoking gun so much. You're going to get tired of finding the smoking gun. you’re going to say, ‘Please Mr. Gemini, I have a headache. Please, don't find the smoking gun so much. This is getting terrible.’ And I'm going to say, ‘No, we have to find more smoking guns.’ You're gonna say, ‘Please.’ I said, ‘Nope, nope. We're gonna keep finding the smoking gun.

[fathom oyster]

VR progress : I still need to optimize performance and image quality, which means rewriting a big part of the render pipeline to support dual cameras. Ray reconstruction can’t handle it properly either, so I might need a different approach, maybe something like YORO style VR method.

I feel really sick after just a few minutes of playing.

[alpine dove]

Whats yoro style vr?

[fathom oyster]

https://yoro-vr.github.io/

[alpine dove]

how does yoro style vr compare to true duel rendering?

[alpine dove]

@rose oasis oh my god look

this is what i’ve been talking about

oh my god this is exactly the idea i thought about and someone already did it

im so happy

[sharp seal]

@fathom oyster I think some other games like gmod would be a good fit to this VR capabilities

Are you alternatively between two consecutive frames for each eye like you mentioned earlier?

I think that's gonna cause some issues

Because the camera is being offset so frequently it's definitely going to like mess with the denoiser because there's no stable temporal data available

Since it's switching up so fast

[fathom oyster]

I think this can be solved with two render pipeline instances, with some parts shared between them. Just need to dig deeper into the code.

[vagrant kernel]

"ALL DIP draws are skinned, no rigid world matrix" Are there games that actually do that? All draws skinned?

Or is Claude just high

[rose oasis]

doesn't make sense

if this is for Dark Souls, if that were the case i don't think you'd have it working right now lol

[vagrant kernel]

No that's for Deadly Premonition

[sharp seal]

https://tenor.com/view/inception-deeper-go-deeper-we-need-to-go-deeper-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-16756828

[rose oasis]

😔

my world is over

[fallow helm]

What's wrong?

[rose oasis]

burnout paradise still won't work 😭

[fallow helm]

Aw. That is disappointing for sure.

It is always rather demoralizing when a game just won't cooperate no matter what you do.

[golden raven]

Maybe there IS a limit after all

[fallow helm]

Maybe. I have never played Burnout Paradise, but it could just do things in a bizarre enough and convoluted enough way to make compatibility incredibly complex beyond what any current AI can figure out.

[vagrant kernel]

The fact that I got Trespasser working once but couldn't replicate it makes me question if a valid approach would just be to retry randomly again again and again

[sharp seal]

You need to consult the actual wizard for this

[fallow helm]

It really can just be the luck of the draw sometimes.

[rose oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asjQNZn7vng

[vital dew]

Never paid attention to it before but the color matching on some of those monitors is horrid

Assuming thats like a classroom meant for video production or editing lol

[dull swallow]

Gooood meowning everyone

[rose oasis]

😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠

fuck you EA

[rose oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-cute-cat-good-morning-gif-2439150466884791828

[dull swallow]

What game

[rose oasis]

burnout paradise

trying to use DX9 PIX to get a capture of it to diagnose issues

[dull swallow]

Ahhh

Damn

[vagrant kernel]

Claude crashing out

[vital dew]

There's a burnout modding server I'm in, might be worth it to ask in there, not sure how far they've dug in the paradise era but there's a lot of wizards for the older games there. I think the dude who did the original recomp for burnout 3 is in there

[sharp seal]

All modifications are memory based

Actually now that I think of it, for me messing with the game was relatively easy with the proxy. But manual RE will take some effort

Maybe some long lost forum about reversing burnout paradise will have some information

If there is one.

[rose oasis]

i'd be interested in joining

[dull swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-gaming-dog-keyboard-karlon-nation-evil-dog-gif-6839995223463341486

[vital dew]

https://discord.gg/GB6AT45ju see if this link works

[golden raven]

Wanna see a bigger ai crashout?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290604473676333118/1492286084787208333/image.png?ex=69dcc177&is=69db6ff7&hm=bef566b70692bddd04d0d4fa541f65c4daeee55f47fc9c48f629f28983eea77c&

Minecraft ai

fucking up

And then even funnier

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290604473676333118/1492286673411768475/image.png?ex=69dcc204&is=69db7084&hm=b8bd0384a0c37a78162db2a65d447b6f9a8b306a12c845f0da580ceb9f87cc25&

[dull swallow]

[vagrant kernel]

Love it when Claude is thinking forever and then hallucinates that characters not showing up was somehow the problem, mate, nothing is showing up

[alpine dove]

What game is this?

[dull swallow]

^

[alpine dove]

what mod is this lmao?

[vital dew]

Yeah not sure how much help that server will be but ive seen people rip models and other edits so someone has to know something

[sharp seal]

I loved these videos about burnout paradise where you have these glitched out paintjobs on your car.

https://youtu.be/tOeKTrUvzUk?si=6XYtO7xi1Ic89ugq

I think that's about the only one I vividly remember

[rose oasis]

😆 yeah me too

not those specifically but just random videos like that

rn i'm trying to patch out the anti debugging shit so i can do a PIX capture

fuck

well what if i just fork renderdoc and add DX9 support instead of relying on PIX?

[vagrant kernel]

Just using DXVK doesn't work?

With RenderDoc

[rose oasis]

DXVK modifies the way the game is rendered/drawn enough that i don't think it's reliable

[sharp seal]

use dxvk to log the frame results?

Is that possible 🤔

Instead of translating it to vulkan code you could just dump the entire rendering pipeline. Kinda like how PIX does

[rose oasis]

maybee

[rose oasis]

i'm gonna try this first though

[dull swallow]

whats the diff from pix to renderdoc

[rose oasis]

PIX is a closed source capture tool similar to renderdoc, but made for DX9 specifically

and renderdoc is only for newer APIs

[dull swallow]

ah

[alpine dove]

is it connected to microsoft PIX?

[vagrant kernel]

Does PIX work on newer Windows? I read something about people using it in VMs

[rose oasis]

it worked for me

[rose oasis]

which one?

[alpine dove]

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/pix

[rose oasis]

well, i was talking about PIX. that's the PIX i'm referring to

but i'm using the DX9 version from the SDK

[quaint kelp]

time to get some more

2 fps in pcsx2

all rastered

but eh

i need another agent so it can review more

and thats in dx11

ultrakill dx11 mode but something preventing me from selecting things

[vagrant kernel]

Claude is just in token burning mode today. How could it implement a VHS filter for Manhunt easily, but then a much simpler color grading system for Dark Souls takes forever and is broken.

I'm going to make it document every successful runtime change it makes and just not take anything for granted in terms of being "easy"

[quaint kelp]

dx11 spongebob rehydrated ue4.. path tracing is enabled so i get 2 fps . i need to fix texture corruption as well

[vagrant kernel]

I've been thinking if we could all do that and make the AI explain every successful approach it took, couldn't we pool it together and make a "best practices" document for the AI to work from? Maybe not as a first order of business type thing, but something to look at if things aren't going as expected

[sharp seal]

I think it would take up too much context

Every time we run a new task

It would read from the instructions list and probably end up far worse than it is

[vagrant kernel]

You'd ask it to refer to the document to solve a problem for inspiration, not plug it in automatically

It could scan for context and get some inspiration

The most important aspect would be the "known to work" nature of the approaches

If someone wants to pull color grading data from a game and implement a post effect into a custom runtime, here's the way DS1 was done

[quaint kelp]

i keep forgetting about color grading

@rose oasis

[vagrant kernel]

DS1 color grader actually helps a good bit getting the game look more right

[quaint kelp]

thats awesome

[vagrant kernel]

I wanna see if I can also adjust the tone mapper in some way. Idk if I'm just too dumb to set the right settings but I just can't get the eye adaptation to look right. Shadows are always super dark and it going into dark areas doesn't brighten it over time to a satisfying level, it just kinda either stays dark or when going back out into the light, it stays overexposed.

Fog values are another aspect to just grab from the game I think

Sun elevation and position too

Just making notes for myself here

[quaint kelp]

how are the volumetrics

[vagrant kernel]

They are still weird in this game, like they don't make sense always. I think this has to do with parts of the rendering still not being FFP so RTX Remix doesn't know where to exactly place the volumetrics

I had the same issue in Manhunt where in certain levels volumetrics just wouldn't apply at all

[quaint kelp]

attach a logger and autodetection to it so it can pinpoint. it will record it in the logger and ai can fix it

[rose oasis]

skyrim?

[quaint kelp]

ye

skyrim se

or ae

[rose oasis]

nice

[quaint kelp]

w/e

i cant select anything in ui only problem now

its disabling when i select

[vagrant kernel]

Btw Blender has a CLI I found out 👀

[quaint kelp]

can i use microsoft pix for performance in my project with dx11? i saw it mentioned somewhere

[rose oasis]

we were using it for a while to bake textures for the AI upscalers

[alpine dove]

Whats a CLI?

[candid mirage]

command line interface

[rose oasis]

2 hours in

anyone wanna bet, will it even work?

[bright ermine]

[quaint kelp]

jebus

[rose oasis]

7% of my weekly usage used up so far

[quaint kelp]

what agent

[rose oasis]

opus 4.6 1m

[quaint kelp]

ye that uses x3 for vscode

[rose oasis]

using subagents for each task too

[rose oasis]

i have the claude max sub

the $200 one

[quaint kelp]

how do you add another agent

[rose oasis]

just tell it to use subagents for the task. it will basically spawn a new chat within the chat, and prompt it itself. it avoids filling up the context of the main chat, and helps prevent hallucination

[quaint kelp]

so i cant use that one burrito was using in vscode?

[sharp seal]

it will work

[rose oasis]

idk what you mean

[rose oasis]

wanna bet like $1 on it

or a cookie

[quaint kelp]

#1481706093976621277 message

[rose oasis]

that's a locally run model

it's not worth using

[quaint kelp]

ah

[rose oasis]

i messed around with it for ~4 hours last night

[bright ermine]

what is this for

[rose oasis]

adding DX9 to renderdoc

[sharp seal]

https://tenor.com/view/chips-poker-chips-pokerçipi-gif-18692870

[rose oasis]

capture support so claude can analyze dx9 games

[sharp seal]

which cookie we talking

[rose oasis]

chocolate chip

[sharp seal]

i got the emoji one

[rose oasis]

or macadamia. those are my fav

[sharp seal]

🍪 i bet with this

(i don't even know what you're cooking)

[rose oasis]

i just explained it while we were talking about the cookie though

[sharp seal]

i was focused on the cookie

[rose oasis]

>

[sharp seal]

maw reigns supreme over meowl 🔥

the votes in offtopic were decisive

[rose oasis]

meowl is cute and innocent

maw is aggressive

[sharp seal]

hmm

https://tenor.com/view/uniquetagtofindmystickers-meowl-meme-meowl-tiktok-meme-gif-5051162932843260279

[rose oasis]

i'm split across 10-15 projects right now and i'm burning out

many of which are desperate attempts to get some steady income. have had pretty much nothin

the commissions were good though

contemplating making the skyrim and fo4 mods free but closed source for now

[sharp seal]

dude that's too much

[rose oasis]

somehow i'm still active in all of them and release updates

[rose oasis]

only one person has subbed 😅

there's like 0 interest in actually playing it ig

lemme try to list the projects

1. flow-like particle system
2. burnout paradise
3. fo4
4. skyrim
5. vibe tool updates/maintaining renderdoc
6. vapourkit
7. periodic testing of chainner features (like the new normal -> height node)
8. updating spandrel (chaiNNer's model loader)
9. developing new AI architectures
   10-15. training ~4-5 different AI models actively
10. PS2 recomp project
11. dxvk-remix updates for various things, including the fo4/skyrim projects
12. FNV

[sharp seal]

Does flow like particle system work? Like does it work like flow?

[rose oasis]

i sent you the link before

it's a flow-like system that relies on the existing particle and volumetrics system instead of a direct port of flow

[sharp seal]

I did read this https://github.com/Kim2091/dxvk-remix/commit/ff8e566ac0a56ecf5e32f1611c44926fd23c7bfc

[rose oasis]

yeah

it's close to working

i saw some fire effects that blew out and turned into smoke

just need to get the values right

now that it's on github i'm just gonna leave it for anyone else to continue/stabilize

it's very close to working

[sharp seal]

I need to see this 😭

doesn't help with the fact that you also need to build it locally

[rose oasis]

🤣 forgot the silhouette pom project too

it's accurately implemented

it's just not activating properly

how many fucking projects do i have...

there's more too

i just can't remember them rn

[sharp seal]

You're fully booked 😭

[rose oasis]

we're at step 15 now

[rose oasis]

and on top of it, i'm sick and my mental health is shit

these projects make good distractions and prevent me from thinking about anything personal ig

apparently i need this many to prevent it

[sharp seal]

Could directly contribute to Renderdoc repo because I did see dx9 in their project but it's just a placeholder/silhouette with nothing in it

[rose oasis]

yeah

if it works i'll do that

gave up on barnyard btw

i realized i don't have the skills to make the correct kind of textures

it's in a good enough state that someone else can do the replacements

managed to patch out the antidebugging stuff in burnout btw

but PIX hangs on frame 2. i think it's just incompatible

that's why i'm doing the renderdoc update

[quaint kelp]

i has ai research pix and it said it was dx12 only

[alpine dove]

i mean thats pretty good right

[rose oasis]

7% of my weekly usage used in 2 hours is very fast

in a bad way lol

this is a very complex thing to implement and it uses a LOT of the credits

so if it doesn't work i'm gonna cry

[alpine dove]

thats gotta only be like a once in a blue moon operation, you aint gonna spend 7% every 2 hours right

[rose oasis]

well

[alpine dove]

”right on the mark with that one! Here let me fix what was wrong”

[rose oasis]

the tail end of the original FO4 mod used up 18% of my weekly in only 3 hours

[alpine dove]

“You deleted the project”

”absolutely right, my mistake, we’re almost at the x mark!”

[rose oasis]

😔

i'm depressed

[alpine dove]

they really need to fix LLMs sounding like clueless suck up douches

[rose oasis]

they should pay me to fix it

[sharp seal]

😣

[alpine dove]

its mainly to block badly made slop commits i think, building up ai generated code after years and years could also slowly lead to a higher bug amount

little things about how the ai does writes the code i think

[vagrant kernel]

I think repos should have an LLM tag or something

I would never wanna upload my LLM generated code to a GitHub repository unless it's already touched by AI from the get go

[vagrant kernel]

Don't overspend my man

[quaint kelp]

it was like that

lol

[rose oasis]

😖

now i need to add support to the gui to parse them

[solemn epoch]

I need Havok Content Tools for Blender that were never made

I need it very much

[brisk trench]

I find if I use Claude code and switch to co-pilot to continue when usage limit hits, co pilot gets utterly confused by the structure and spends ages re-arranging everything, then switching back the same thing happens.

[fathom oyster]

You can use the Copilot‑API (a proxy server that supports Anthropic’s endpoint) with custom environment settings for Claude Code. If you hit the Claude usage limit, just switch to your custom environment. That way you can keep using Claude Code without rearranging everything.

https://github.com/ericc-ch/copilot-api

[rose oasis]

very close to getting renderdoc dx9 working

the captures now contain the texture and mesh information like they should. just working on the replay side of things to support reading it

[quaint kelp]

@rose oasis can i adapt renderdoc to dx11?

[muted sun]

renderdoc works with dx11

no adapting needed

[quaint kelp]

oh

ok

[rose oasis]

yeah the whole point of this is to expand my renderdoc vibe tools fork to support DX9 games

[bright ermine]

first time using the RE tools here, how long is this supposed to take?

[rose oasis]

can take up to an hour sadly

[bright ermine]

👁️

[rose oasis]

🤔 why is it bootstrapping the dll

it's supposed to be the game exe

[bright ermine]

game exe calls the dll anyway, its like 600kb

[rose oasis]

right but bootstrapping is to help the disassembler out with useful strings/other information

and the disassembler is usually used on the main exe

[bright ermine]

agent went straight for unityplayer

[rose oasis]

oh well

it probably knows better than me

[muted sun]

lol

[rose oasis]

😔

[rose oasis]

btw if you're not, use my fork which supports renderdoc: https://github.com/Kim2091/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/tree/renderdoc

very very useful for DX11/12/vulkan

[bright ermine]

what estimate is that based on? filesize

[rose oasis]

fastest i've had it complete was ~15 minutes on an exe of around 1 MB

longest was 2 hours for a 37 MB exe

[bright ermine]

will do if i run into any rendering stuff, currently im finding a method to intercept mesh creation in unity games that are older than v2022 because apparently the APIs unityrtx relies on did not exist prior

[muted sun]

renderdoc is awesome but I've only been able to hook it in general like twice lol

[rose oasis]

DRM shit

Steam DRM breaks it

[bright ermine]

unityplayer is 25mb, is the utility multithreaded at least? i have a 7950X3D

[bright ermine]

ah that might burn me maybe then

[rose oasis]

it can't really be multithreaded because it directly relies on claude parsing the output and stuff

[muted sun]

tried using the thingy that shall not be named but that didn't work

[rose oasis]

[rose oasis]

the main bottleneck appears to be the LLM reading and writing the info, rather than the tool itself

@atomic steppe made it. he might have some insight into how to speed it up (bootstrapping)

[rose oasis]

you need the other thingy too. one won't work without the other

[muted sun]

ahh

[bright ermine]

uhh huh

righhht

[rose oasis]

well

bootstrapping is consistently good/useful

so believe it this time 😆

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-belive-belive-it-naruto-belive-it-naruto-belive-gif-24879767

[bright ermine]

its still hung on the same place since the last screenshot, it decided to dump raw strings from the DLL which is where that comment came from

[rose oasis]

👀

what model are you using

[bright ermine]

opus 4.6

the DLL probably has that info wide open because its all C# code 🫃

[quaint kelp]

welp claude crapped itself thinking about the trex folder when its 64 bit

uh a ue5 game almost worked with dx11 argument

renderdoc helped my performance issues. ty @rose oasis

[muted sun]

can someone give me a eli5 for bootstrapping? lol

[rose oasis]

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[brisk trench]

Windows defender gave a slight headache at one point deciding remix is a threat all of a sudden for no reason, glad I noticed the notification before spending hours on that 🫠

[quaint kelp]

false threat

[vagrant kernel]

Trying to make a DX9 renderer for a GTA 1 source port for laughs

[rose oasis]

🤔

if you have the source code, why not have it just convert the renderer

[vagrant kernel]

It did rewrite it from OpenGL 3.2 to DX9

[vital dew]

@rose oasis is there any benefit to your fork other than renderdoc? Just trying to make sure I'm on the latest and greatest of the vibe tools

[rose oasis]

renderdoc fork afaik is the latest of anyone's work

shouldn't be missing anything by using it

[vital dew]

Thanks Kim 🙂

[vagrant kernel]

Gettin somewhere

[crimson yacht]

[vagrant kernel]

He be loving that gun

[crimson yacht]

Found so many smoking guns im starting to wonder if someone doesnt know how to reload

[rose oasis]

✨

renderdoc dx9 is fully functional now

textures, meshes, etc. all work properly

if anyone wants to mess with it, i'll have it on my fork soon

[muted sun]

bruh

[rose oasis]

✨

dumped from jade empire with renderdoc

[rose oasis]

GUI doesn't work right for DX9 captures yet, but the CLI tool that claude uses does work right

this took 12 fucking hours!!!

[dull swallow]

sob

[vital dew]

My claude chat is considerably more interested in fixing the issue after I told it "fix this or the world will cease to exist, this is extremely important"

Also this mf has "fixed" so many issues while hunting this LOD problem except for the LOD problem. Fixed terrain hashes changing, fixed framerate, fixed weather not rendering

All i've asked this mf to do is always render the highest LOD available

[rose oasis]

renderdoc is almost done building FINALLY

had to make a custom workflow, custom fork, do releases, update vibe tools to download from that release, update the skill file to accomodate some issues

ughhhhh

[fallow helm]

You know, I have been told that gaslighting it like that does make it perform better.

[crimson yacht]

[rose oasis]

it's released: https://github.com/Kim2091/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/tree/renderdoc

it uses this custom release of renderdoc: https://github.com/Kim2091/renderdoc/releases/tag/v1.43_dx9

[atomic steppe]

Games that are above dx9 probs don't benefit a whole lot from bootstraper as the db it pulls from doesn't have much past dx9 data,

It should run in a sub agent thread anyway and shouldn't block work,

I do need to look at it again and improve it

[queen spear]

I'm afraid that without a Remix, adding such cool things as pbr and other delights is impossible...
Now it seems like a Remix is the only solution.

[rose oasis]

so right now, many games seem to block the F12 button press to perform a capture. i'll work on that tomorrow, along with implementing the overlay in the top left

[vital dew]

just got my first "smoking gun" today lol

[atomic steppe]

bruh

wtf

~~ im trying a custom harness to use gemma4:e4b as the tool caller and claude as orchestrator to save on context, i need to do more tests, but ive run this find culling prompt for Mount&Blade as a test on claude at least 10 times before it always takes around 30 minutes to find the sphere frustum test to disable culling

Using gemma as main tool caller and Claude as orchestrator it found it in 5 minutes~~

ahh kb.h may have been pulled from before it may have cheated hol up it was a filthy cheater

does save alot of context tho need more testing

[fallow helm]

A bit more progress with OOT3D. Got the second screen to render correctly. I am pretty sure that it is always going to have to be in a separate window, however. Also, this isn't necessarily terribly new, but a bit of a look at how Navi's light changes color depending on context.

[crimson yacht]

I waited an hour and 10 minutes just for it to tell me to wait an hour and 9 minutes

[candid mirage]

69, nice

[vagrant kernel]

GTA 1 path traced might be happening

Sadly it immediately crashes atm

[vagrant kernel]

When trying to fix a crash takes twice as long as making a whole new renderer 🥀

[vagrant kernel]

We should do GTA 1 RTX and release it on the release date of GTA 6 so PC gamers have something to play

[vagrant kernel]

I'm yelling at Claude now

I swear they pare back to a shittier model behind the scenes sometimes.

Turns out human brain > AI. I just had to think of a bunch of debug steps and tell Claude to test enabling/disabling stuff

It was going deep into RTX Remix runtime code, hallucinating shit

[vagrant kernel]

Bro what

The whole thing literally began with me telling it to port to DX9

[alpine dove]

"okay, we definitely nailed the head on this one!"

[vagrant kernel]

"Now I found "the smoking gun". The game is running in DX9!"

[alpine dove]

god imagine how messed up you must feel seeing you tokens wasted on the ai trying to figure out if the game is dx9 💔

[vagrant kernel]

Bro I've been crashing out this morning

Just have this open on the side typing some stuff in it here and there and seeing the dumbest shit

[alpine dove]

crazy seeing how much these companies are trying to base all ai innovations on the base of LLMs, like i can't be crazy in thinking an LLM isn't a good base for a vibe coder right?

or for trying to make sentient AGI

[alpine dove]

THIS FUCKING GUY

ya i can see how you crashed out

[alpine dove]

is there no system for like short permanent memory

yknow just to add vital details to always remember like IT BEING DX9

[vagrant kernel]

I already have instructions to write all findings into a file and refer to that. It's all in there. It's just dumb-assed today

Literally gave the exact description of this distortion 2 prompts ago

And it didn't do a lot in between

[alpine dove]

and this is like the model u always used?

[vagrant kernel]

Yes

Now it's talking about single-player vs multi-player or some shi- I'm switching to GPT

[rose oasis]

hello world

[rose oasis]

yeah it was doin that for me yesterday too

claude is really fucked up recently

hehe

overlay is working (top left)

[vagrant kernel]

I swear they bump it down to a GPT-4.1 level model silently behind the scenes to deal with increased usage

When it's dumb, it's DUMB

[rose oasis]

✨

no more guessing if it's hooked or not

[fallow helm]

I have always meant to get around to playing Jade Empire at some point. Seeing this, I am quickly running out of excuses.

[rose oasis]

the story is pretty good

but the gameplay is like mass effect but more jank

pretty annoying to play at times

well

i guess it feels a lot like dragon age 2's gameplay?

[fallow helm]

I can deal with a bit of jankiness now and then.

[fallow helm]

That isn't too discouraging, honestly. From what little I have tried of it, it seemed quite tolerable at worst.

[rose oasis]

for me it's a bonus

i like DA2

i think you'd prob like it

[fallow helm]

Probably. I haven't played a BioWare RPG I didn't like yet. I might have only played, like, three... but still!

[rose oasis]

i've played 5 or 6 i think

only one i haven't liked much is DAO

not really sure why 🤔

[fallow helm]

I liked the story and characters well enough, but I do think I actually preferred KOTOR's gameplay. Maybe that is just nostalgia talking.

[rose oasis]

KOTOR is pretty fun

DA2 felt more like a mix of KOTOR and MA

whereas DAO felt a bit off

[fallow helm]

Some of the areas felt a bit big. Gives you a lot to explore, I suppose, but it also makes finding any particular thing that much more difficult.

[vagrant kernel]

GPT fixed the HUD in two prompts. Claude sucks

[rose oasis]

anything but opus 4.6 1m recently is useless

[vagrant kernel]

I'll stick with GPT for now. It even fixed the input bug Claude introduced and then was too dumb to revert

I guess the right approach is to not waste time with either Claude or GPT and switch when you notice things are going nowhere

[rose oasis]

yes that's a solid approach

[vagrant kernel]

Sadly I do tend to fall for the "maybe the next time it'll get it" aspect

[fallow helm]

It is natural to want to believe it will be better next time. It doesn't help that they are very good at SOUNDING like they know what they are talking about.

[vital dew]

Yeah ive been busting my ass with sonnet 4.6 for like 3 weeks trying to solve the LOD issue, I really only need it because hashes change so much it would make replacements annoying. Probably gonna try GPT tonight if I feel like looking for any "smoking guns" lol

We need a smoking gun emoji at this point

[sharp seal]

Isn't there a tone and style preference so that the model could use more formal words?

Instead of being so joyous and enthusiastic about everything

[rose oasis]

mine doesn't talk like that

so it's likely from the way you guys are prompting it

[woven zealot]

I like Opus but Sonnet sucks, and Opus can get on my nerves too sometimes. Its like if you start a new conversation they've got a 50% chance of being really smart, or just spinning in circles and never being able to start properly

[vital dew]

Same, I don't get too many over joyous responses from sonnet, its more like a work email style of tone from it. Maybe i should tell it to be more whimsical then I'd get more responses like yalls lol

[vagrant kernel]

Creepy ahh font

GPT has just been on a tear btw. fixing everything immediately.

[muted sun]

dyslexia simulator font

[rose oasis]

whhich momodel

aaaaa

keyboarddd

[vagrant kernel]

GPT-5.4

Path tracing actually kinda works for GTA 1

Like it enhances it

[muted sun]

how tf

thought gta 1 was 2d

[vagrant kernel]

The world is 3D

[muted sun]

neat

[rich jewel]

"AI, make this 2D game 3D."

[fallow helm]

It is kind of surprising just how many older games this is true of.

[rose oasis]

lets get driver 1 working 🙏

[vagrant kernel]

I'm trying to find a "cut off point" but it just always works