Return to Castle Wolfenstein (RTCW)

[full estuary]

idTech4 does some tricks to animate textures, I’ll try to backport it with gemini’s help. This will also stabilize the hashes 😉

[naive basin]

[full estuary]

gemini may be cooking 🤞

[crude pollen]

Gm yall

[grand shoal]

bread

[crude pollen]

Yes?

[grand shoal]

Just stating the obvious.

[crude pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-bread-cat-loaf-cread-cat-dough-gif-15808640102646761906

Same here but uh still cant even log in so

I'm unsure why

[crude pollen]

BRUH

OMG

SO APPARENTLY GOOGLE SIGNED MY PIONEER LICENSE WITH SOME RANDOM PASSWORD

SO I JUST RESET IT

AND NOW IT WORKS

[crude pollen]

What does one mean? 🤔

[severe sapphire]

just a joke I was making, lol

[crude pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-tiktok-meme-gif-14412456773247080000

[crude pollen]

gosh dang I accidently screenshotted the borders

[crude pollen]

Peakers

[crude pollen]

Next github version needs to fix the camera being f'ed up

[naive basin]

?

[crude pollen]

For some reason

With ray tracing on

You just cant look around

at all

camera is not at all where the playermodel is

well you can look around but like the camera is stuck in a position

all you can do is rotate

Plus it's out of bounds

Only way I could fix it was turning off the raytracing

So far I have most of the lights completed

About maybe half and a quarter (3/4ths or maybe about 7/10ths)

[carmine creek]

this will only happen if you do the following
a) do you have a way to reliably reproduce it on a clean install
b) raise a github issue with exact steps
c) patience, it's unlikely it'll be a high priority issue since it's isolated to just one game

[crude pollen]

What

Nonono

Not RTX remix

The actual thing that makes RTCW RTX possible

@carmine creek

Saintmaths compatability mod

Not RTX Remix

[naive basin]

I meannn

Same situation

[full estuary]

The default lights were bad or something? Why did you start with the lights?

[full estuary]

You may have the Free Camera active.. can you check that in Dev Settings?

[full estuary]

Texture animations. They are actually a little bugged, maybe because of matrix initialisation, but this works as I was hoping.

[naive basin]

Woahg

[grand shoal]

Burrito waits patiently in the distance

[full estuary]

while saint is bulking up his idTech muscles 😜

Getting there..

[grand shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

[naive basin]

What are you waiting fof

[grand shoal]

Uhm

Fakk

:D

[naive basin]

Ah

Thats right

[full estuary]

Fakk has a bit more animating textures from what I’ve seen, for example a fleshy moving floor somewhere. Also this implementation will help to stabilise the mesh, and ofc to fix the effect

[crude pollen]

Nope

[crude pollen]

Yeah ngl they were really lacking in my opinion.

[full estuary]

Well we did not have that camera thing before, let me know if you find out why it happens.

[full estuary]

No shit. Problem is, once you have proper PBR (and I'm not talking about AI slop) the light is going to behave differently, so you're going to have to redo the lighting.

[full zinc]

yeah likee

my texture work that i did used the default lights and it looked amazing. not many areas actually needed new lights added

(this is not meant as gloating, i'm just defending the default lights lol)

[severe sapphire]

Merge into Steam when

[full estuary]

At some point I realized that without PBR textures, no amount of light tuning was going to make RTCW look less like ass. Fortunately with Heretic, I discovered the bliss of true PBR ✨ and my faith in Remix was renewed 😜

I do need to port the Cylinder auto-lights from heretic to RTCW too

Also Sparkles' texture work with instaMat made me try my hand at it too

You could say it was an inspiration ✨

[full zinc]

😊

✨

working on textures can be really fun

[crude pollen]

I don't know how to actually get better textures or find hd versions of the textures soo

[carmine creek]

make them yourself, you already downloaded instamat and got it working ... soooooooo :)

remix textures have to be PBR anyway and the original textures and even fanmade hd versions won't be PBR

[dusty hamlet]

If you do wanna torture yourself and rely on upscaling the original textures and improving them by sloppin em up with AI like I do, I use Topaz Gigapixel (specifically their "redefine realistic" generative model) and then run those textures through PBRfusion4 ( https://huggingface.co/NightRaven109/PBRFusion4-RTXREMIX-Portable/tree/main ) using this workflow ( I don't use the upscaler built into BPRfusion's workflow as I find it lacking compared to gigapixel when working with such low res textures).

https://tenor.com/view/sloppy-steaks-slop-em-up-i-think-you-should-leave-gif-22389111

[full estuary]

AI has been pretty good at generating diffuse textures, and I was pleasantly surprised by the results. My experiments with gemini/nano-banana with a simple prompt (upscale-and-enhance) has been giving me good diffuse. I think for me the frustrating part was not being able to get good Normal maps, my perfectionism would flare when looking at an angle at those textures 😂

[naive basin]

Tommy Angelo

[full zinc]

I think we're at the point where AI upscaling isn't bad, it's just that it lacks something compared to the handmade PBR. look at the pictures of my texture work. it has a lot of variation, there are spots that are much shinier than others but only in small areas, and it's not apparent on the actual diffuse texture. is all from the PBR

AI PBR is good now, but it can only do what is on the diffuse texture. it's guessing based on that, and as a result it can't have significant variation in the PBR compared to the diffuse

[severe sapphire]

Be better to see your work in game

/jk

[full zinc]

😭

[naive basin]

I think

Ai stinky!!!!!!!!! /hj

[full zinc]

o no

then I really stink 😖

[naive basin]

I think pure gen ai is iffy (like sora) bur otherwise it's not allat bad

Asking ai to solve whatever horrid sickness has its grasp on us

[full zinc]

we really hope you feel better soon

sorry

[full estuary]

True, I’m aware it’s mostly my perfectionism at play here, probably the uncanny valley of AI texgen. While at the same time I haven’t had that impression with instaMat or free PBR textures. Am I secretly a PBR snob 🤔 ?

[full zinc]

no you just like good PBR and while AI PBR is passable... it's rarely good

it would look out of place in modern games because all of the detail is extracted from the albedo/diffuse, it never contrasts against it

[carmine creek]

It's also the inconsistencies you get with AI, you'll notice that everything won't quite mesh together next to each other. Something you won't run into if you make these textures yourself and create all of them with the same style.

[full zinc]

ya

for me tbh the biggest thing is that the PBR always just aligns with the albedo though

it just looks off

[carmine creek]

Yeah albedo is one of the lesser important textures and can be quite primitive (like solid colors levels of simple) actually and still look good if everything else is authored properly.

The most important maps in PBR are the normal and roughness, and they won't really conform to the albedo necessarily.

[naive basin]

Uhm

The most important pbr is emissives

!!!!!

Big emissives lover

[full zinc]

actually guys it's the displacement 🔥

[carmine creek]

Jokes on you, just copy over the albedo 😛

[naive basin]

Jokes on you the albedo is mixed with the emissive mask in a single texture

Minecrsft layer style

/j

[full zinc]

okay okay

[carmine creek]

Ue2 style? Emissive is literally just the diffuse but the alpha acts as a mask?

[full zinc]

i want to put my roughness, metallic maps, and normal maps in flipbooks and animate the walls of rooms to make them look trippy af

[naive basin]

Yeah

Or smthn

[carmine creek]

One sec, way ahead of you

[naive basin]

I don't quite know

Anything

Ever

[naive basin]

Make it where every 25x25 pixels moves a different direction as an animated texture

For every texture

[carmine creek]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1479096643

Has a trailer too

[naive basin]

https://tenor.com/view/shocking-is-this-why-the-earth-spins-earth-spin-cat-gif-13056704822525175056

[full zinc]

wow youtube's compression is so shit

that looks really good though (from what i can see of it 😭)

[carmine creek]

This entire thing was created because someone else said you couldn't animate properly in the vertex shader during a playtest.

Ns2 had a bunch of joke commands like swalk_mode which rotated your viewmodel around based on your velocity. Just keeping the tradition alive xD

Now if only remix had a module based post processing pipeline.

I'd contribute so many things, but I don't wanna shoehorn my code into the codebase and figure out the programming side. :/

[naive basin]

Js throw it in itll work

[carmine creek]

"PR rejected with given reason: tf is this dawg?"

[naive basin]

Trust me the completely unrelated file that isn't connected in any way will work

[full zinc]

reviewer:

https://tenor.com/view/hmmp-frying-pan-philip-j-fry-futurama-fry-suspect-gif-11486511013200449265

[grand shoal]

I'm actually hoping to setup something like that.

Have a list where you can setup a bunch of pp effects

Then pick and choose what you like

[naive basin]

Heh

[grand shoal]

Adjust as needed

[naive basin]

Pp

[grand shoal]

Heh

[carmine creek]

First thing I'll add is Ambient occlusion just to mess with people

[grand shoal]

Lmao

Good idea

Actually

Remix doesn't have ao and it pisses me off

[carmine creek]

And then screen space reflections next

[grand shoal]

Ao is 100% physically inaccurate but it helps so much with visibility and depth perception

It needs to be in

[carmine creek]

It doesn't need it because light behaves in a physical accurate way which naturally creates darker areas and grounds objects where appropriate. AO was meant to approximate and is completely disconnected from the lighting system solely working with depth and normal information.

[grand shoal]

Yes, but pt still flattens out areas that are lit directly. A layer of AO on top would help bring back some depth

[carmine creek]

The PT naturally creates AO by itself, you might want more contrast probably

Oh no I'm getting stupid ideas again. Ideas Mark won't like to even humor xD

[grand shoal]

Not when directly lit. Let's say the sun directly shines on a wall and a floor. The edge won't magically become darker

The magic is in fact ambient occlusion

[carmine creek]

And magic isn't real

[grand shoal]

Which is why I like ao

;D

[tribal trail]

Yeah, not every project needs to go for 'photorealism' (except for my SHAR mod, which is totally photoreal) . And AO/cell shading/fresnel post effects could help readability in a lot of games. Also using PBRs to create materials that don't exist in real life is a lot of fun (force fields/ghosts/holograms ect.). On another note aren't a lot of textures from this game based on pictures, possibly from old CDs? I don't know if people have tried reverse image searching the old textures to find the original ones.

[full estuary]

Haven't tried reverse image searching at all. How does it work? Would I find the CD and it should have a higher res image, or will I just stumble on a higher res image on the wide web?

[full estuary]

Hey @naive basin I think this change looks good enough, are you interested in having a go at it if you have time?
I've tested so far the fan in intro mission, burning embers on torches on escape1 map start, and oscilloscope machinery in xlabs. Needs to have r_vertexLight 0 to have the scrolling effect going. Also not every animation is a scrolling effect, torch fire I think it's vertex based and well, my implementation can only change UVs.

[naive basin]

Nod nod

Will test when hone

Home

[full estuary]

There: ~~https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/24738557619~~
https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/24740283633

Note: to make oscilloscope machines work, I tagged the metal casing as decal (moving back made the green waveform texture pop-out and cover the front of the machine, I also marked this one as decal and it worked, not sure which is the best approach)

[full zinc]

does deformation work yet?

[grand shoal]

Nope

Not a bit

This is simply the the car's mesh following the origin

[full zinc]

hey u do know you're in the RTCW channel right

[grand shoal]

I do now! :D

[crude pollen]

Danke!

You are so kind :)

[severe sapphire]

And? Let him cook

[dusty hamlet]

for sure, feel free to hmu if you end up using that and have any questions on how to tweak things

[crude pollen]

Yo guys would I do normal - opengl or normal - directx

using pbrfusion

[full estuary]

Remix toolkit supports both, you just need to pay attention and select the right type in the ingestion tab. I usually go for opengl

[tribal trail]

damn, I was looking forward to drifting around Nazi catacombs.

[full estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/crack-neck-getting-ready-eager-lets-do-this-jason-statham-gif-16067686

[crude pollen]

tried to ingest it as directx but it froze at 66.67%

[crude pollen]

Got 2 textures done YIPEEE

working on 3rd

Ngl when I finish the mod I might call it RTCW 1k because I'm upscaling by 1k

[naive basin]

a

[crude pollen]

It keeps freezing at this point

[full estuary]

It freezes when using External Process in the Ingestion tab. Select Current Process, I did not have Current Process freeze so far.

[crude pollen]

Uh what

I'm not talking about ingestion

It's upscaling..?

Using PBRFusion4

And it's still frozen at 17 since last night

[stark magnet]

Who working for Heavy Metal Mod RTX?:)

[grand shoal]

It's kinda broken rn

[full estuary]

Gemini my GOAT! The clanker finally did it, fixed the light leaking in a couple lines of code. I have become a glorified typist 🥲

[naive basin]

gemini is the goat

it helped me hook remix api and log stuff for wolfenstein the new order :tacosoupontop:

still having some minor issues but otherwise yay

no geometry data yet...

im a complete dunce still

[frosty pebble]

how are yall interacting with gemini? antigravity or a different ide

[full estuary]

🔥 progress is progress. And The new Order is.. a very tall order 😜

[frosty pebble]

tool usage was always buggy with cursor and windsurf for me months ago

[naive basin]

even the ai told me that lmeow, it sounded like you

[full estuary]

I'm just chatting and setting them straight, then ask why is X because I thought that Y. We reach a compromise and I implement it. Sometimes it gives me complete functions, like today, but I still have to adjust them.

I don't have a proper coding plan, cause I don't want to pay, I just have the google pro plan or w/e it's called

It knows alot of shit about projects with open source/modding tools. Knew thinks about renderer structures in HaloCE Gothic2. On Friday we bisected Remix, and we solved a vertex explosion, just by looking at the commit patch (well it first gave me a solution that disabled the commit, but I corrected it and gave me a refined fix)

[naive basin]

Honestly im js telling it what I knew abt common opengl stuff I've learned throughout all of wolfenstein rtx projects

With that it was able to identify mvp

I still need a proper remix api hook idk how to properly go about that and I don't think there'd any documentation on opengl to remixapi directly

Especially not with how modern opengl it is

[full estuary]

Yep, telling it in as many details I know about the stuff I want to work on, and it becomes helpful.
If I talk about generic things: I want to build a remix mod for X, we're just chatting about how great my plan is and remix being the goat)

[naive basin]

Yeah

I will again, state that im gonna bug you saintmath not for direct support on tno but if you have any ideas, cuz im basically js logging shi atp

https://tenor.com/view/ranch-ranch-speedrun-speedrun-3d-modeling-blender-gif-1753827848378997789

In any case js bug the ai and it'll work

You js gotta know what the engine does !!!!!¡!!!!

[full estuary]

So for geometry, grab a shader decompilation, and tell it: based on the usage patterns, let’s find the vertex buffer offsets, strides and formats for vertices, normals and uvs

Cause I think these are difficulut to guess just from the VBO structure in ogl

I mean you would have the offsets, stride and datatypes, but not know if they are vertexes or normals or uvs

(I think..)

[naive basin]

posting this here cuz why not

[naive basin]

this helped a bunch

its a start

[severe sapphire]

How the fuck
The game is OpenGL

And like, more modern OpenGL

Also would love to see this game Remixed

I played through it not that long ago

[naive basin]

pure fuckary

[full zinc]

remix api gives 0 shits about the game's api

[naive basin]

hai sparkles

[severe sapphire]

but don't you need the source code for Remix API? which Wolfenstein New Order has no where publicly

[full zinc]

not necessarily no

i don't have the source code for FO4 or Skyrim for example

you just need to do extensive reverse engineering

[full zinc]

✨ hewwos

[severe sapphire]

everyone doing this impressive stuff meanwhile I can't even get HW Skinning working in Portal 2

[naive basin]

js getting lucky

+knowledge of everything we learned abt idtech

[full estuary]

Release is out https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/releases
Needs also the pak from: https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-files/releases (be mindful not to overwrite your wolf_customise.ini if you made any light overrides)

RELEASE NOTES:
MAJOR CAVEAT: need to grab the pak file from https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-files/releases v0.3 or later, otherwise shader parsing is broken ( !Thank the closing brace '}' on a comment line inside common.shader for this )

• BSP is now broken into chunks using AABBs (finds clear gaps in geometry and breaks it down), and now whenever a polygon is marked as visible, the whole chunk it is a part of, will be scheduled to be drawn. We should no longer have big drawcalls with the whole map geometry in one drawcall.
  Enable with r_aabb_culling 1, and set r_novis 0 (only use novis when doing a capture)
• Default lights can be remix cylinder lights e.g. you can have Coronas turned into remix spheres on escape1, or have them turned into cylinders on village2.
  Find it in Alt-C menu
• r_gpu_uv_transform 1 makes animated textures show in remix: you do need to mark all the textures assigned to a particular mesh as decals e.g. for an oscilloscope, mark the face(button&dials) as decal, and mark the green sine-wave as well, same for torch embers
• r_environmentMapping 0 will disable shiny reflections from messing up the mesh hash. You can leave it on if you don't intend to replace the mesh, but you do need to hide the reflection map texture in any case
• r_turbulentTextures 0 is in a similar camp, would change the mesh hash, and possibly interfere with animation, I would just set it to 0 and be done with it
• mipmaps now work with remix so you may want to set r_nomipmaps to 0, so that you can take captures of no-PT rendering
• menu cursor was offset and it was prone to miss-clicking options, I made an adjustment to it

[grand shoal]

😢

[full estuary]

If you paid attention, I also fixed JediKnight/JA and Quake3, soo 🤔 which idtech3 game comes next..? but I am taking my time, I need a break

[full zinc]

it's not id tech 3, and it'd be a nightmare. but i'd loveee to see RAGE with Remix

megatextures would almost certainly break

[fickle heart]

damn jk fixed as well

so based

[full estuary]

I’m scared of newer engines 😅. I think wolf 2009 is as far into the future as I will go 😜

[fickle heart]

It's time for stalker

specifically OLR3 mod 😈

[full estuary]

Maybe for JK I can also add dynamic lights, i wonder if projectiles have an actual light attached

Nope I don’t think I’m motivated to touch stalker 🚪

[dusty hamlet]

what about Alice or is that game too much of a pain in the ass to fix more?

[grand shoal]

I think it works already

[full estuary]

So Alice HD has the renderer.lib in the game assets (debug symbols for RE: not the addresses but just their names, which is good enough ig). This means that the renderer can be recreated with either open Mohaa code, or certain functions can be rewritten and recompiled with the lib:

• The sky needs to be fixed
• and the portal handling
• maybe geometry normals can be added
• the scrolling texture fixes I recently made could be added.
• Also it has a memory corruption bug -ugh- with novis 1.

Those are the things that need attention

It’s on the backlog, somewhere.. 😅

[normal wharf]

can someone help me with this bug that no geo displays

[normal wharf]

using this release and latest remix 1.4.2

alright that was a missing conf

[onyx leaf]

I had the same issue, how exactly did you fix it?

[severe sapphire]

Kapibos experimenting with RTCW?

[normal wharf]

Just search for rtx.conf from deleted user in this thread and drop it to rtcw directory

[normal wharf]

Wanna try to create a mod for something new yeah

[naive basin]

awww yeah

[normal wharf]

wasnt at home back then, heres the conf

[onyx leaf]

Thank you! I'm not at home either right now but I'm very excited to try

[full estuary]

Just a note: the problem is easily solved by activating Sky auto detection.
Also probably we need to create a new rtx.conf since alot of settings changed with newer remix versions. It’s best to start clean.

We can also think if we want Low Texture settings (what Mark recommends).
To get the full resolution textures run in console:
r_logFile 1
then look for a file gl_00.txt where all textures names are logged. Then uncompress the .pak files and pickup the original textures from there.

One more thing to be aware of, when doing a remix capture, use r_novis 1. Also if you want objects like chairs, documents, whiteboards, etc you need to do a capture from the same room as the objects

[normal wharf]

i enabled that thing and it fixed that issue yeah, just didnt want to mark all the decals manually

done with first asset tho

[fickle heart]

shieeet

so nice

[normal wharf]

[naive basin]

damnnnnn

hell yeah

atp ion even need to make a mod i can js focus on 2009//./

[normal wharf]

done with 3 more things

and experimenting with the textures

might be a bit too much with normal intensity

[naive basin]

Question: would you want to be put on like, the official mod? Your work is amazing as fuck

[normal wharf]

would be nice if so😄 , i will just upload the mod on moddb when its ready ig

also, annoying thing that i found with this compat mod is almost all similar objects are not instanced, so i need to replace each object manually over and over again

[naive basin]

Could even put you on the steam one if and when that releases in a few hundred years (with your permission)

[naive basin]

There's a fix for that soon

[naive basin]

^

[normal wharf]

that would be sick, will see in the future

[naive basin]

Yeye

Take your time tho dw

No plans on releasing the steam one anytime soon lol

Your work really is amazing tho good job

[normal wharf]

do you know if the hashes of already changed objects will be different with the new update tho?

[naive basin]

Unknown but likely considering most things have an aabb

[normal wharf]

aight

[naive basin]

Did you do those viewmodels too?

[normal wharf]

whats viewmodels?

the guns?

i replaced them with models from sketchfab

[naive basin]

Ah ye nod

[full estuary]

Try r_aabb_culling 1 in console

The hash would change tho, and some objects get instanced

Not all objects, because I am not checking if objects are rotated. If most objects are not instanced I will try to see if I can fix the rotation too but things are tricky: un baking transition and rotation is hard

So let me know where you have issues

[naive basin]

Hi saint

[full estuary]

Also I will probably do another fix, I’ve retested village2 and get fps drops, but if I strip the lightmaps, there will be less drawcalls and fps recovers -> this will change the mesh hash too

👋

[normal wharf]

sadly that didnt help for the objects i changed(

[full estuary]

Which objects are those?

[normal wharf]

like this boxes are still not instanced

but i can see the hash updates when enabling and disabling that command

[full estuary]

Ok I will have a look later on

[normal wharf]

same boxes with enabled and disabled command

[naive basin]

[normal wharf]

holy, just got free money in dm

[naive basin]

<@&1028597389143048232>

[normal wharf]

[naive basin]

Steal this person's free money

[full estuary]

Free money is verboten in this channel

[naive basin]

✅

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-bite-31

[carmine creek]

I need the usertag or userid

[naive basin]

Oh yeah forgor it's not js

A viewable message

[normal wharf]

i blocked him already

[naive basin]

Wait they aren't here anymore

Or at all

Sob

[carmine creek]

yeah I couldn't find them in the member list, hence why I asked for the id

[naive basin]

too tired to tell anything, mb

Gonna go back to sleep now

[normal wharf]

hes not in this server dw

[full estuary]

Just to give more context: many objects are brushes i.e. they have absolute coordinates, just like a wall, they exist in one place and one place only. What r_aabb_cull 1 does, is realise that it is not a wall, but something smaller, find out it's center, and translates the object all the way to origin, then tells DX9 to instance it. However it doesn't always work (to match all similar objects on a map) because of floating point precision 😢 I will take a look and have a definitive answer later on.
BUUT, after you change r_aabb_cull 1, you need to do another capture, since the hash changes completely, and you should try to replace the object again in the toolkit.

[normal wharf]

will try to replace that model

but wait r_aabb_culling 1 was already enabled by default, so i replaced all meshes with it enabled

[full estuary]

Huh. Ok then. Maybe bug. I will have some time in the evening and I can check the actual 3D coordinates of the object

[normal wharf]

yeah i was replacing objects with it enabled for sure

at the end the same box but no replacements there

thanks for looking into this tho🙏

[full estuary]

In the first room, did you replace each of the four boxes manually, i.e. did you do 4 replacements? Or did you replace one box and all 4 of them got the new mesh?

[normal wharf]

i replaced the model im looking at and then moved duplicates to other boxes

[full zinc]

just so you know, I had already made a bunch of textures for a later level that'll be included, so it'd be a waste of time to work on that one. I can't remember the level name. do you @naive basin?

[naive basin]

Village2

[full estuary]

village2 is the level name

[full zinc]

❤️

[naive basin]

Village2 the goat

[full zinc]

I've never actually played rtcw lol

[naive basin]

We like rtcw and play it back sometimes

Not as much as 2009

[normal wharf]

ah so you already made most of the textures for the castle?

[naive basin]

Village 2 not escape

[normal wharf]

alright

will keep the work then

[naive basin]

We should import the wolfenstein 2009 weapon models into rtcw

/j

[normal wharf]

arent they low poly?

2009 game still

[full zinc]

I originally started with the castle but it looked pretty bad, so I scrapped it

[naive basin]

Not really no

Mp40+all upgrades tho

[full estuary]

I think there are models on sketchfab too for the guns and pistols

[full zinc]

including game assets from another game in a mod is kinda risky legally

[naive basin]

This

^

[normal wharf]

thats pretty good actually. havent rlly played the game so was just referencing the year

[naive basin]

Right yeah

Its definitely one of those things you look at for the sake of looking at but never package it as a mod

[full zinc]

ya

[naive basin]

Bcuz its unknown weather or not you'll get smited or not for doing that

[full zinc]

@severe sapphire can we get @normal wharf an invite for the rtcw stuff

[full zinc]

I didn't have time to do textures anymore so I'm glad someone else is lol

[naive basin]

we are also glad because it means we can focus on other things too

[full zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggles-jiggly-cat-jiggles-black-cat-cute-gif-5896535416776985723

[naive basin]

mind altering the cat

[full zinc]

I genuinely enjoy making textures for this game. just... never enough time

and I can't believe how long ago we did this already lol

[full zinc]

Kitty

[naive basin]

bro is so relaxed

[full estuary]

Yep Calliope is her name, pretty scaredy cat, but when everything is quiet, not a care in the world! 😆

[full zinc]

vs my cat. crazy all the time

lol

[naive basin]

we want a cat

[grand shoal]

Before after

fat fuck

[full zinc]

😆

[full zinc]

yus we hope u can get one

[carmine creek]

story of my life

spent the last 2 months working on a boatload of assets for my game and my spouses game... and 3 entire maps, 2 of which are already released.

[stark shore]

RTCW is a great game. It still plays great and it's not nostalgia talking

[grand shoal]

ok now make assets for a remix game and leave everytghing

[stark shore]

Some of the best shooting mechanics out there. The MP40 sounds are engrained in my DNA now

[carmine creek]

instructions unclear: playing a game instead. Mina the hollower comes out in 2 days, I'm tempted.

[severe sapphire]

I asked him the other day if he wanted access, lol
Does he want it now?

[grand shoal]

sexy rat

Can't believe I found it.

[carmine creek]

-# god I hope you don't start creating mods for motorslice if that's what you're already thinking of mina

[grand shoal]

Motorslice actually looks nice

I'm gonna play it

Also I'm a game developer now

Joined an indie team the other day

[naive basin]

is this related media

[grand shoal]

I still gotta pull the project

[grand shoal]

No lmao

[naive basin]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-looking-at-cell-phone-meme-diamond-find-gif-16339420975874124530

[carmine creek]

why do I have this feeling that it might be an NSFW game

[grand shoal]

It isn't

[naive basin]

it is

[grand shoal]

Surprising, I know

[stark shore]

Medal of Honor Allied Assault is similar in this manner. Like, you shoot in this game and it feels just right

[grand shoal]

But it has mod support and I've seen some shit

[carmine creek]

now I'm scared to even ask what project it is

[naive basin]

https://tenor.com/view/return-to-castle-wolfenstein-gif-23195009

[grand shoal]

My robot

[grand shoal]

Is that rune?

The game

[naive basin]

no, its fucking

return to castle wolfenstein

[carmine creek]

RTCW

[stark shore]

I watched my father play through this level and was absolutely shitting my pants

[grand shoal]

Ah

All these same engine games smh

Rune is ue2, I think

[carmine creek]

Rune ran on Unreal 1, RTCW is idtech3

[grand shoal]

So same engine

[stark shore]

Bait or mental retardation

[grand shoal]

-# bait

[carmine creek]

yes, correct, Rune runs on the void engine used for dishonored 2 which is based on idtech5, which is bascially just unreal 1.

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-reece-simpson-kayode-ewumi-roll-safe-meme-gif-17305682

[grand shoal]

See I knew it

[naive basin]

https://tenor.com/view/ivy-deadlock-gif-12718003983415281333

[grand shoal]

When I see an old game, I automatically assume idtech with slight changes

[carmine creek]

rip ivy

[naive basin]

friendship ended with ivy, replaced with rem

[stark shore]

Because Carmack is the allfather

[grand shoal]

Time to game develope

[naive basin]

rem is the goat

[grand shoal]

I don't get it.

[carmine creek]

my buddy plays rem and doorman a lot, I usually go with silver

[naive basin]

https://tenor.com/view/rem-deadlock-kick-gif-13995019923797295321

[carmine creek]

it's funny that there's only the two extremes for rem, one part of the community absolutely loves that little goober to bits and the other half just wants to see that thing hanged and gutted.

[naive basin]

lol

[grand shoal]

Ugly fuicking thing

[naive basin]

we dont really have time to play deadlock anymore but we love rem sm

js a lil goober

[grand shoal]

Even Ivy's old design is better than this cockroach

[naive basin]

bro wym

bedtime crow called REM

its all perfect

[carmine creek]

I looked it up on steam and uhh... it's certainly a "game" with ai

[grand shoal]

It's really bad

Trust me

The ai implimentation is fucking gaaaaarbage

The ai is implemented to live in a box where it understands nothing about the game or the game world and only responds to direct user input

So it's unimmersive

I made a couple of mods to fix it. The developer liked it. Since I have maxed out speech, I demanded to be given a spot on the project so that I can fix this shit directly and I got it.

[carmine creek]

"why is this indie game I bought causing my gpu to draw 500 watts"

[grand shoal]

https://youtu.be/pHtVi0b--Js

[carmine creek]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-sneak-100-gif-25000838

[grand shoal]

You know exactly why and if you don't want to use 500W (AI inference doesn't use that much power anyways) you can use the online model. Uses gpt 4

It used to use gpt 3 but I told him to change the model or I'll bite his ankles

He changed the model

[tribal trail]

Not sure what the AI chatbot stuff has got to do with RTCW but woo progress!

[normal wharf]

i wonder if the light popping could be fixed?

[onyx leaf]

that is definitely my biggest issue with it so far

i also had this issue with deus ex but it was much worse, kinda completely stopped me from playing it

[normal wharf]

also, is the hand model replaceable? if so i will try to replace it later on

[severe sapphire]

Bro did so much in so little time

Moddb when?

[normal wharf]

i hope for the steam release in the future

[severe sapphire]

I mean, I asked before if you wanted access to @naive basin’s Steam release

[normal wharf]

i didnt rlly know what was going on there srry, thought all development was stopped, but yeah lets do this now

[stark shore]

What's this about

[severe sapphire]

Steam release

[stark shore]

Do you need publishers leave for that?

[severe sapphire]

Bethesda?

[stark shore]

Idk who publishes it

[severe sapphire]

The engine is under GPL license
So what we can do is pull a Quake 2 RTX and distribute the main engine parts including Remix and then have an installer pull the remaining files from a local copy of the user’s game

[stark shore]

And is it hosted on Steam's servers now? Can you download it via Steam?

[severe sapphire]

You technically could via Steam keys
But the download itself is not public
Only the team has access to it right now

[stark shore]

So it is hosted on Steam

[severe sapphire]

Yeah

[stark shore]

Sick

[stark shore]

Quake 2 RTX?

[severe sapphire]

Quake 2 is also under GPL license

So it’s the closest example

That’s why Quake 2 RTX doesn’t ship the actual game
Only the engine modifications

[stark shore]

I wonder if we can distribute .asi patches for Painkiller instead of the actual binaries

It will never be open sourced because of third party tech like Havok

also the source is probably lost bruh

[severe sapphire]

Just decompile it

[stark shore]

On it

[stark shore]

Do you know if this is more legal than distributing the binaries themselves @severe sapphire

Also do you need verification of any kind to host a mod on Steam privately

Like do they check whether or not you're hosting a GTA5

[severe sapphire]

No idea, that would be a question for Steam (they have a contact for support in Steamworks)

[severe sapphire]

Pretty sure they only check when submitting the build
Though also pretty sure if it gets out there that you’re hosting a full game not yours, they’ll get involved

[stark shore]

that would be a question for Steam
Is this the kind of question better not be asked

like "But Sir what about the homework"

Can you ask

Interested in this because sharing a mod as large as this is fucked up. It just hits the cloud download quota at some point

[severe sapphire]

What are you trying distribute exactly?

[stark shore]

A bunch of .asi patches for a bunch of original game binaries

mainly engine rendering changes

and a whole lot of assets ofc

all CC0

Obviously Remix stuff

[severe sapphire]

Sure I’ll ask

[full zinc]

combines the wrapper with what i did for textures and will have a steam release page eventually

so your work would be contributing to that if you agree

[full zinc]

also a-b-a had done some really nice model work

[normal wharf]

for sure yeah

[normal wharf]

any photos?

https://tenor.com/view/мем-gif-13672998011126015300

[naive basin]

Not nessisarily stopped we js rotate projects

[naive basin]

Only one of the car headlights

And a partial edit of a model our friends made for us

We are not a good modler shrug

^

We can do some minor modeling if you want us to but nothing like the chapel stuff

[full zinc]

our styles are a bit different, so i understand if some of these need to be replaced to make it match

[naive basin]

Our friends lamp was the coolest model too bad its not usable anymore

Neither they nor I have this anymore

🥹

[grand shoal]

ughhhhhhhhhh

I'm gonna

[naive basin]

Gonna what

[stark shore]

He's doing it

[grand shoal]

gonna do a fakk 2

See if it works any better

[naive basin]

Ok

[normal wharf]

thats okay, i can handle modeling + i just like the process of it

[normal wharf]

i like that

[naive basin]

The model I'm most excited for if you eventually do. It is the village 2A car.

[normal wharf]

it will happen.. eventually..

[naive basin]

Yeee

[full zinc]

my cat

[naive basin]

We seriously do appreciate you doing stuff for rtcw too cuz it means we can focus on stuff like psychonauts 2 and wolfenstein 2009

[grand shoal]

picture for ants

[normal wharf]

no problem🙂 , hope to see some progress on those

[naive basin]

We at least have progress on psychonauts

[normal wharf]

i saw some progress on wolfenstein 2009 too, but seems like that game is hella unstable still?

[naive basin]

Well that's something saints doing, we're going to to some fixes and pbr conversion but assuming yeah there are still some issues

[normal wharf]

aight

[flat garden]

similar issue in many old games. I have been working on a blender mod to detect and convert to instances, what is the approach you are taking for this challenge?

[flat garden]

ahh on the game side, nice
I was doing it on the remix / usd side

[flat garden]

i changed to an approach of expanding the nearclip of the frustum and moving it behind the camera at the frustum intersect test, more performant than an AABB approach, and maintains compat with games other culling systems

[naive basin]

we arent

we dont do much with rtcw anymore besides like

project managing we guess

we js did initial tryna get a wrapper to work

[full estuary]

Try to use automatic lights first. Alt+C and adjust Lights Global Config.
My recommendation is to always use Dynamic lights (torches and fireplace flickering), and maybe Coronas if you like them.
Each of them can be customized from Light Override: Scan for close lights and change position and color.
I also added "Drop a Light" in Light Override
Alt-X go to Lights and enable debug visualisation in remix

There is sometimes light pop-in with this solution, but once a light is 'seen' it always remains active. I can probably fix it in engine too, so that it appears on map load.

You can maybe fix your original issue with toolkit placed lights, by changing r_pvs_maxhops to 2 or 3. But this will tank FPS fast.

The problem with toolkit light imho, is that initially one wants to attach them to the object that emits the light (i.e. torch or lamp) but that is a bad idea in itself because that small object will get culled very fast. Instead you want to anchor it to a wall of floor that stays visible for longer. Which is why I tried to implement in engine lights.

In Heretic 2 I just adjusted that Light Global config to a certain value (per map) and left it at that.
If some lights are a bit too much you can also set them to Black and this turns them OFF.
NOTE: If you start doing these edits, keep the "wolf_customise.ini" file safe, don't overwrite it, since that's where the options are saved.

[full estuary]

The BSP was a bit annoying because it's crazy good at hiding polygons not visible

• at the map load, I have a complete BSP surfaces pass, where I generate an AABB for each BSP surface, and do an intersection test, and merge the surfs into bigger AABBs
• later, per frame, each time BSP flags a surface as visible, I pull from the AABBs list the merged AABB and add all other surfaces that got merged together in that AABB
• in the end I get 'complete' objects that have stable hashes, even if the BSP will never produce complete objects (you could draw I guess each surface in it's own Drawcall, but that was I think too many drawcalls even for idtech3)

See: smaller per surface AABBs, then a merged big AABB for a more 'complete' object:

[full estuary]

(Both pics contain the merged big AABB 😅 I don’t have a separate view only for original small ones)

[normal wharf]

didnt know bout this menu

also, i think light popping happens cuz most of the light are done with emission

emission is rlly wonky in remix

everything need an actual light source

and seems like village lights outside doesnt work at all?

[full estuary]

You're right, those lights do not work, because I rely on a trick to add lights. In some maps developers manually placed coronas/halos around light sources, and I use the coordinates of those coronas for remix lights.

[normal wharf]

the solution is to just place all lights manually or wha?

[full estuary]

For those maps that do not have them, ya place them manually, maybe with the Drop Light feature from that menu

[normal wharf]

mm okay okay

[full estuary]

Also good news, crates seems to be instanced ok now, bad news shit's broken now 😭

Gonna need more time to finish that..

[normal wharf]

yaay

[normal wharf]

so for instances to work it requires fix for each kind of object? theres no fix for all non-instanced objects at once?

because theres rlly a fuck ton of them

[full estuary]

I saw that lamps had the surface type “triangles” and I instanced the triangles type. There are also “faces” (simple planes) like the crates here, I am fixing them now.
There are also “grids” these are bezier curves like arches, I don’t think I need to fix these.
And that’s all.
I will chat with AI if 90 degree rotation for some items could be fixed, but I’m a bit skeptical.

But it is true that idTech in their wisdom decided to bake those items in the BSP for better FPS, which makes our life harder.. sadge

[normal wharf]

understandable

will wait for any news

[normal wharf]

done with some more textures

and models

shadows inside locker🤤

[stark shore]

Damn the models look crisp af!

I love these alarms

What is your workflow if I may?

[normal wharf]

im modeling in blender and then doing textures in substance painter

for the terrain textures i upscale them with topaz gigapixel and then creating other maps in materialize

as you can see the upscale is not the best cuz im upscaling them from 256x🥶

idk what to do bout it, dont have any experience in creating terrain textures

[stark shore]

That's great mate, keep up the good work!

[normal wharf]

hmm found a hd pack https://www.moddb.com/mods/splatterladder-rtcw-hd-pack/downloads/splatterladder-rtcw-hd-pack wonder whats the license of it🤔

[stark shore]

We also got some artists doing the absolute gods' work for Painkiller

so if you ever wanted to contribute to the ambitious ongoing project feel free to ring

[normal wharf]

yeah thats niceee wow

[stark shore]

excuse me for the wrong channel though, you can't have enough skilled gentlemen and scholars😄

[severe sapphire]

You work so fast

[normal wharf]

magic✨

[severe sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-gif-12132376810128560925

[naive basin]

good stuff, especially love the small boils in the worn down bench

[tribal trail]

Those new assets look amazing. I've been kinda lazy and need to spend the time to learn a good blender/substance workflow.

[normal wharf]

btw what do you guys use for the terrain textures in painkiller?

[stark shore]

A replacement mesh with a better UV mapping

You bring it over to Blender via REST API and ingest back

[normal wharf]

no i mean how do you create the textures itself

like do you upscale or create them from scratch

[stark shore]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/painkiller-rtx-remix/features/pixels-to-stone-rebuilding-painkillers-atrium-in-rtx-remix

For more up to date/detailed workflow you can ask McGillacutty over in https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1313627595815911448🙂

[normal wharf]

alright thanks, thats more than enough info, will look more deeply in instaMAT

[full estuary]

@normal wharf finally fixed the issues with the instances with surfaceFace. https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/releases
autoexec.cfg now contains r_vertexLight 2, which will remove lightmaps, and reduces drawcalls for better fps.

Since surfaceFace are now instanced, this means hashes changed for planar polygons, in case you replaces any meshes that looked flat (althought I doubt it) better have a quick check if they need replacing again. I think you replaced more complex meshes (surfaceTris), those should be fine.

[normal wharf]

hell yeah

thanks so much

will test soon

[full estuary]

I realised today I should add a button to "Duplicate Last Light" for lights that need to be added to the ceiling 😅 , so I will do that next

I'll probably see if I can add this instancing to @grand shoal 's FAKK2. I assume it's mainly the instancing and geometry splitting that you want right Uncle?

[grand shoal]

praise be

yes

[full estuary]

I take upon this charge, and humbly ask the Reversing Gods to bless my naive soul 🛐

[severe sapphire]

I need to update the installer to only pull game files not included with the engine

[full estuary]

Make it only pull *.pk3 from the "Main" folder in RTCW install path.
Those are the only ones needed. Plus the content in the zipfiles in my 2 repos.

And kapiboss's rtx.conf

[severe sapphire]

Well I can just include the zip files and conf in the build

It’s just the main game files we can’t distribute

@normal wharf if you’re wondering about the mod repo, I’m working on it
Just fixing the Steam files to be GPL compliant

[normal wharf]

seems like some stuff is still not instanced( like this controllers are instanced on the first pic, but on the second theres still default mesh

same for this shelve, its not instanced anywhere

and they all have different hashes(

this thing also

[full estuary]

I’ll take a look at them just to make sure it’s not bugged, but you may have to replace them manually.

Initially all similar objects (crates or racks etc) all occurrences from the whole map were one big single mesh. Now each object should be replaceable individually and if they have the same orientation north-south-east-west they also become instanced.
I don’t think I can fix rotation reliably.

[severe sapphire]

Do you guys have culling? I think in Portal 2 with RTX, it’s implemented via Remix API

[normal wharf]

i understand🙂 , you already helped a lot with this fixes

[full estuary]

There is culling now, I re-enabled BSP culling but with an extended PVS system (current room and the adjacent rooms). So there’s more drawcalls.

Honestly I’m trying to wrap things up with rtcw & idtech3 and move to other things; it’s difficult to get a game to look good, and it’s kinda wearing down my motivation.

[severe sapphire]

More drawcalls?

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[naive basin]

Still just want to say thank you for all you've done for this project, genuinely you are the goat

[full zinc]

🐐

saintmath is awesome

[fickle heart]

[full zinc]

if i end up in a stable living situation again, i want to make textures for this game again. won't be a ton, just for fun

i'll prob complete village2

[severe sapphire]

Guys, vote yes on Remix grant so we get paid

[severe sapphire]

what's the other two repos? I assume one is RTCW Files but what's the other?

QindleGL?

[full estuary]

Oh, I only meant the main one with the exe and the RTCW-files

[full estuary]

Carmack implemented batching, so if your brushes used 30 unique textures, they would be rendered with max 30 drawcalls. The props would have one drawcall each (more if it had more textures).

But now that I’m splitting brush geometry to make it repleaceable, that single drawcall gets split.. no way around it.

[full estuary]

I’m still getting 60fps on my i7-7700 so it’s not bad. I wonder how steamdeck handles it tho. Esp village2 had some drops right after the first courtyard, when you go onto the narrow streets

And I mean had, before the fix to strip lightmaps, since lightmaps are also unique textures and dreak down the geometry even more

[full estuary]

If it’s for fun that would be nice 😻BC I came into this eyes open so it’s not like I was taken by surprise. It’s just that I was thinking: let me put in 6mo-1 year see where that gets me

[severe sapphire]

got the custom installer to do so
just gotta clean it up some more and I'll update the Steam build