Return to Castle Wolfenstein (RTCW)

[full estuary]

Maybe it's the order of drawcalls, somehow. There are 3 other NPCs in the adjacent rooms and they might get culled

[manic tinsel]

could surfaces and animations be lod'ed separately, causing a mismatch?

[full estuary]

In R_CalcBones they have a hight bone precision #define and when disabled (low precison) ther are 2 ways to calculate the bones

That was somewhere on t he list to try, to activate hight precision bones

But fuck it for tonight, my brain is toasted

[manic tinsel]

aight, gnight

[full estuary]

I would need help with converting that xyz value from bone space to model space as DX9 required

Once I figure out this corruption

[manic tinsel]

what is R_ComputeLOD used for?

[full estuary]

That's for other types of entities, I think those do not have bones, but actual object space values for each frame of animation, and they get lerped between animation frames

ye, those are the heads, where I intend to stop animation see that cvar there that I inserted

[manic tinsel]

does this guy not have other npcs nearby, which is why he doesnt get corrupted?

[full estuary]

Yea, he was alone now and got fixed 😆

[manic tinsel]

huh

[full estuary]

The do have a bone caching strategy in R_CalcBOnes, but I tried to disable that too..

So next I'd try that HIGH PRECISION bones, and just having separate memory space for each bone matrix I calculate (maybe Remix does some lazy copying)

Or memory corruption, I would not be surprised.. even in my dirty code 😢

[manic tinsel]

i think you might be able to just discard those, since it should be basically just pre-applied model-to-bone-local matrix for each vertex, and local-to-model is the inverse of that, and the result of that you already have and its just the vertex itself

[full estuary]

I can't discard them. I don't have any other values for vertex coords, only these pre-ransformed bone space coords (which start to make sense somehow). I'd have to reverse at least one of them to model space, and change that bone transform, since this seems it contains an extra transform I don't need?

On each loop that tempVert gets incremented with result of 'offset * boneTransform * weight' and becomes the final model space vertex value

[manic tinsel]

ah, okay, that makes sense

[full estuary]

@sly timber Do you think this may help with getting a blender model + Skeleton for Wolf models? https://github.com/mino-git/rtcw-wet-blender-model-tools/tree/master

[sly timber]

maybe

lets see

[full estuary]

One small step for skinned meshes. It was my #upid a## all along that caused those problems 😆

Now to tackle the multiple bone issue I was talking with nking about.. and then merge the legs and the torso 😓

[manic tinsel]

what ended up being the issue?

[full estuary]

I was not locking and unlocking the Index buffer properly because of crappy api I wrote 😅 And at work I always stress people to have explicit apis with no side effects 😂

So I guess it was using old data from previous drawcalls

[full estuary]

I still think I'm having issues with how the bone matrixes are built. Sending bone local vertex coords to DX, when it expects model local.. I'm guessing the bone matrix needs to contain that offsetTransform (bind pose -> bone space transform) or it's inverse.. @manic tinsel Any idea?

I mean from what I've read, whatever I'm sending to DX is not what it expects.. so it should not reder properly

Uff, I need to dive-in that Bone calculation code..

[full estuary]

The way I understand it rn is: Vmodel * offsetTranform * boneCombineTransform is the formula, and DX wants Vmodel for Vertex coords, and offsetTransform * boneCombineTransform for the bone matrix. But I'm setting Vmodel * offsetTransform (the bone space Vertex coords) as Vertex coords and boneCombinedTransform as bone matrix. So the math would check out, but I have doubts Remix can use that matrix

[sudden steppe]

I'm not really sure if that will be helpful to you at all but here are the notes I took for how the remix C API uses skinning data
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/py-rtx-remix/blob/a1a0fc7d4000e72bf2a701c8f7173a0a9b4474c1/src/py_rtx_remix/components.py#L116

Also here is the Skeleton pose data. Just an array of 3x4 matrices
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/py-rtx-remix/blob/a1a0fc7d4000e72bf2a701c8f7173a0a9b4474c1/src/py_rtx_remix/components.py#L704

[sly timber]

Im curious (this isn't me asking for a fix) what all isn't stable after this, just the leaves and banners?

[full estuary]

I’ve seen leaves, the big dropping flag in escape courtyard, spiderwebs in the tower

The flag on a pole in the escape yard can be static. I haven’t discovered the type of animation for the other objects mentioned. Try Alt+C MeshAnim (needs imgui_debug_controls = 1 in .ini file or console r_nomeshanim 1)

[full estuary]

@sly timber I've got two builds here, the first I got working the other day, with ONE bone influencer (and using bone-local vertex coordinates -because it worked):
https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/15508263600

Later one, with multiple bone influencers (usually 2) with vertex coordinates forming a bind-pose (uses animation frame 0 as bind-pose, the blender MDS importer defaults to frame 0 for a bind-pose so I guess that's ok?):
~~https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/15518443937~~ see new ver. below

From my POV, second build should be the proper one, however it does not look quite right. The first build obviously, but multiple bones made the skin less edgy in original game, but that does not happen with my implementation (ofc it's those bone local vertex coords.. argh..)

The blender importer I mentioned is from here: https://mino-git.github.io/rtcw-wet-blender-model-tools/user_guide.html

Torso, hands and legs are all separate objects. I could maybe join torso and hands because they use the same texture, but legs have a different texture..

[sly timber]

the second one is still half unstable for some characters as well as rtx off being just a minor annoyance lol

first looks mostly fine albeit the shoulders on the people are goofy

but that can be fixed with remix ofc

[full estuary]

hmm, lemme go check the doctor again..

for RTX off i'll put in a cvar, and a toggle in Alt-C menu for quick fix

[sly timber]

also whats the command to disable head animation?

to stabilize it

[full estuary]

r_nomeshanim 1

[sly timber]

This shit actually so beautiful

[full estuary]

Yea, I see the instability, I wonder what it is..

~~https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/15519342225~~ Edit: a newer one which fixes hash instability is available later on

Let it finish first Edit: it's done

Torso and hands, or legs and hands seem to be merged with this build. Also added GPU Skinning to Alt-C (r_gpuskinning)

value 0 CPU skinning, value 1 is 2nd build above, value 2 is an average of the vertex values <- maybe this is improved version 2

Can you also compare GPU Skinning CPU (val 0) vs val 2? Is it much different?

I will try to figure out what the instability is, in the meantime

[sly timber]

went back to the opengl version for shits and giggles

[full estuary]

Ah, but for shits and giggles opengl ver could be fixed with the wrapper, I just need to find that sortSurfaces function in ghidra

Never bothered. Besides I tried exporting and only the outside walls are visible: inside-out. Got fearful I broke the wrapper again, and went back to dx9 version 😂

[sly timber]

right lol

honestly the opengl version isnt needed, except to show progress

i also noticed a bug with the dynamiclights, am i doing smthn wrong

[full estuary]

nah, it's prolly a bug. If you used the Flash-it function, I think it overwrites the active light on close? I need to debug

Good find

But I need to do some house cleaning rn.. maybe the reason for mesh instability comes to me while I work

goddam, the first build has very stable hashes 🤯

[sly timber]

version one is very stable

i also just realized but the corpses shirt color has stayed the same throughout builds lol

[full estuary]

https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/15520816219 I hope this fixes the bug with the dynamiclights

[manic tinsel]

somehow missed the ping

[manic tinsel]

sounds right
what does remix use the bone matrix for?

i.e. if the both versions are mathematically equivalent, what assumptions about its function does remix make that doesnt work with the local matrix version?

[manic tinsel]

also does boneCombineTransform move the vertex to model space or world space?

according to this doc, DX expects model space to world space baked into the bone matrix

[manic tinsel]

is it doing smth like calculating motion vectors from the bone matrix?

[sly timber]

Hitching a ride and wtf wolfenstein irl

[sly timber]

✨

[full estuary]

You are right, I should have written: Vmodel * offsetTranform * boneCombineTransform * modelToWorldTransform.

So with the 2nd build I shared to bailey I compute a boneTrasform for the first frame of animation, let's call this bT0. Then I take boneLocal VertexCoords, multiply with bT0 -> Vmodel for DirectX. Then I take the inverse-bT0 * boneCombineTranform * modelToWorldTranform and this is the bone matrix I pass to DirectX

Re "what does remix use the bone matrix for?" I should have said that if I do not use Vmodel coordinates, I won't be able to pass more than one bone influencer for a vertex. I haven't figured out how Remix uses the data, maybe this is the time to ask Mark if I have the right setup.

[manic tinsel]

does the animation always define the bones in the same order?

or do you cache the vmodel coords for every vertex?

[full estuary]

I think the bones are defined in the same order. I don't cache the vmodel coords. I thought about it, but I need to properly identify the mesh/entity instance -and the last assumption I made about entity ids turned out to be wrong on 2 accounts 😂

Currently I recalculate the T-pose tranform on each frame

The next hop is for Bailey to be able to do a Skeleton replacement in Remix Toolkit, make sure whatever I have now actually is useable

[full estuary]

But this a good point

[manic tinsel]

if the order happens to be different bT0 might give you the wrong Vmodel, but otherwise sounds like it should work

[full estuary]

That’s the latest bug, I use Identity for bone transforms to render the T-pose always, and at some point I get different coords

I have to debug, after breakfast 🥑

[full estuary]

I think we're good now. THere was just one more field I needed to reset for frame-0 when calculating the transforms for that T-pose

[manic tinsel]

awesome

[full estuary]

Ok, build ready ~~https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/15532473894~~ Not ready: failed to push to git

[sly timber]

Whoopee

Amazing work between the 2 of you
-# NERDS

[full estuary]

Can you check a Remix export? See if it look alright, or if something can be attached to the skeleton?

[sly timber]

Yep gimme a second and I will

I also need to figure out how to properly remap a model to a remix skeleton

[full estuary]

Yep. Search from:Mark skinning or bones he does talk somewhere about using original skelly from game asset then editing usda and assigning bones by hand -but I think for DarkMessia it just worked

[sly timber]

aw fuck updating it reset all the data lol

making a capture now

[full estuary]

Damn. Yea the .ini file must not be overwritten

[sly timber]

i cant attach anything to the bones and my game still looks like this

[full estuary]

My bad, I'm stupid, started another build: https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/15538000388

[sly timber]

did you build a previous one or smthn

[full estuary]

I created the commit, but I did not push it to git, was still on local PC

[sly timber]

oh lol

[full estuary]

Ok tested that build, it works for me

[sly timber]

works for me too

i will definetally be testing further... after

[carmine creek]

For the ue1 renderer there's a json that stores all the custom data and per level settings, maybe worth thinking about.

https://github.com/mmdanggg2/D3D9DrvRTX?tab=readme-ov-file#advanced-config

[full estuary]

That's waht this .ini is supposed to do too. But I provide one in the install zip too..

SO after Bailey added some custom stuff, accidentaly ovewrote it

[carmine creek]

I think jsons just easier to automate/use externally. For example I made some tools in unreal that gives me compatible json code of anything I configure in there ( i.e. anchors and the movement/rotation of said anchors for things like moving clouds or trains)

[sly timber]

tried fiddling with the agx tonemapper

[carmine creek]

which is which, the right one looks quite crunched

[sly timber]

agx is the right one, im truna get the right look

iw ant it a bit more moody i guess? i dunno

prolly making it look hella wrong tho 😓

[carmine creek]

I should push for LUT support again lol

[full zinc]

random but the normal map on these bricks seems a little strong

[sly timber]

E man made the brick textures, altho they do have fully fledged heightmaps so maybe that's the issuem

I personally think it looks fine tbh

[full zinc]

well like here for example. i halved the strength of the normal map and it reduced the very contrasty appearance

[full zinc]

it is a really nice texture overall

[sly timber]

Yeah

[full zinc]

also wtf how has it been so long since i did textures

sigh

[full estuary]

Yes come back to us Kim, show us pretty pictures that bring joy to our hearts :goofy: 😃

[full zinc]

yay skeletons

[sly timber]

Eventually I want to also make a graph for how our edits of culling work

[sly timber]

@carmine creek im really sorry for the ping, but is there any update on the mp40?

[fresh moat]

any gameplay footage of this at its current state?

[carmine creek]

I should have a model ready by the weekend

[sly timber]

Yipee

[sly timber]

this is still cool ash to mke

[sly timber]

Its been abt a week I really dont mean to bug especially considering all things but

[carmine creek]

apologies for not getting back to you sooner, I'll throw you a model tomorrow. Totally blanked on updating you between all the setting up furniture and all that 😅

[sly timber]

alright

[full estuary]

Everything neat and tidy in it's little box

Maybe something that can be done now, is to create a new shader (new texture) and mark one of those boxes to have it's shader replaced

I haven't tried to split geometry based on the boxes, fearing an fps drop.. What you see onscreen is one drawcall; maybe split only for special shaders (I'm looking at you lamps and light posts) and reintroducing a form of culling 🤔

[sly timber]

Yipee!

[sly timber]

what abt a stronger pvs system? if thats possible

or well ig that resets geometry hash i think

[full estuary]

I did a run on escape1 with novis disabled, and I get light leaking after every corner. It's not in your face, but it's visible. So big geometry: walls buildings, we may have to draw them most of the time, and maybe we cannot split them. But lamps, lampost we can hide maybe.. have a radius around player that is nocull.. will have to implement and test 🤞

I was mostly thinking about two locations Kim mentioned where the HQ textures do not match: some stone stairs and a walkpath close to village2 end. Maybe these two are good candidates to be split off from rest of geometry. I'll try to do it these next few days, see if it's possible.

[sly timber]

alright, good luck

im still fuckin around with agx tonemapping

[sly timber]

#github-updates message new fire particles maybe without obscenely hard workarounds

[full zinc]

plsss

[sly timber]

is it tmrw

[full zinc]

@sly timber do you think we could get a really basic version of the mod released? people do seem interested in RTCW overall

[sly timber]

Sure once we the mp40 we can package lal the mods together and release a beta 1.2

[carmine creek]

oops, yeah 😅

need to unwrap the model still and then do the texture

[sly timber]

ok

[sly timber]

Could I see what the model looks like at least?

[full estuary]

I've put the skies and wolf_config in another repo https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-files

There are skies for dark and dig (in addition to tram and norway). And in wolfconfig.ini I changed the remix settings to apply fog for for tram, norway, dark; There needs to be a global light for fog to be visible so I changed the radiance a bit, not identical to original as I don't have the patience.. but close enough as a placeholder. Feel free to PR changes. Keep in mind wolfconfig needs to be merged manually.. pick and choose

And I made the flashlight brighter in config for my poor eyes :hehe:

[carmine creek]

question: do you want the stock folded, unfolded or gone (like the original model)

[sly timber]

gone or folded is fine

[carmine creek]

gotcha, for now I think gone is easier because the buttplate is the most unintuitive thing to model for me. If you change your mind we can still update the model later.

[full estuary]

-Quick we need some plier looking thingamajigs for the mad doctor's table!
-But Sir, all the blacskmiths are busy banging on the ubersoldiers armor!
-Who's free then?
-Well the carpenters are waiting for the snowy pine bark shipment..
-Go on! and make sure they use that rust looking wood varnish, nobody's gonna notice!

[open canopy]

Maybe sometimes you just really want to give your victim splinters while they're being zapped with huge bolts of electricity. It wouldn't be mad science if there weren't wildly impractical tools being used for inscrutable purposes...

[sly timber]

and to be fair thoes 240p monitors never did notice at low end graphics

[full estuary]

I'll have you know that my 15in CRT blurred an image of 1024x768 pretty noticeably.. I mean visibly.. clearly.. hmm 🤔

sorry I seem to be in a joking mood 😝

[full estuary]

I did consider tracking down that CRT after seeing some DF videos.. but I have a strange memory when I first played RTCW in 2002 on my first GPU, and I switched form Lightmaps to VertexLight and I did not manage to see a difference.. although in my defence I was probably in a brightly lit area in game.. those were different times..

[full estuary]

I managed to assign a unique texture to those meshes. However the stairs come bundled with the pavement. One would have to manually specify a smaller bounding box that contains only the stairs..

Well, it's something..

[sly timber]

When i first played rtcw (mind you not nearly as long ago) switching from vertex to lightmap caused my Toshiba to scream at me

[sly timber]

As for the stairs we are gonna make custom stones for it anyways

Whichll basically overlay the stairs

[sly timber]

lets see how 1.1.0 breaks wolfenstein

uh

[carmine creek]

so the answer is: yes

[full estuary]

[sly timber]

Yep

[fickle heart]

indeed

[full zinc]

well

looks like someone entered RTCW anyway using CC0 assets and some AI. doesn't look bad at all

[sly timber]

Link?

[full zinc]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/return-to-castle-wolfenstein-re

[sly timber]

Not bad, not quite the vision I see of the artists intent but not bad

[full estuary]

They say this: "At first I struggled because I didn't know that all the games original materials had an alpha legacy state I think for the baked lighting." Is this something we need to also pay attention to, or it's a RedHerring? They still use vertex light in the mod, and in that mode there is a color attached to each vertex that gets blended with the diffuse texture. Maybe you've seen Mark discuss with e-man (or goku) working on Morrowind mod (Vertex color is lightmap or some such). Not sure if the same happens when lightmaps are active.

Did you notice a difference when switching from vertexLight to Lightmaps?

I do seem to perceive a difference between Heretic 2 and Wolf, in the sense that materials in Wolf are darker somehow (in Heretic I set all vertex color to white because it was easier).. but I would not be surprised if this could all be in my head..

[paper egret]

I thought everyone had to post workflows and show progress? How can there be a surprise entry

I only mention it because I had to record like 40 minutes making of videos 😋

Pure waffling on

[sly timber]

Who's they, the people who made that entry?

[full estuary]

yes

Most of the textures are marked as "Ignore alpha channel" in the mod

[sly timber]

Ah

[sly timber]

@full estuary i was wondering (for later down the line not right now) if there was a point eventually in which we could add a bind to freeze the game (for specific captures, adjustments in cutscenes specificall) not really an important thing, more of a "is it possible" thing

[full estuary]

I'd like v much to say yes. The issue is there's probably gonna be bugs that I fix along the way and there's always a chance that hashes change 😢

But, let's say the chance is small

ANd even if they change it will be on a map, on a single type of mesh and that customisation can be remade on a duplicate capture

The question is, the way the geometry is rendered today.. is this something you can work with? @sly timber

[sly timber]

so what your saying is is that we would need to reassign everything on the new hash or that the hashes would be unstable again

because i can and will reassign everything

itll be alot easier than trying to manually change settings in cutscenes before the next scene happens, then reloading the cutscene to make sure its where i like or looks good

but if the hashes change alot more than just once likely not

[full estuary]

I just expect that one or tho hashes would change. i.e I fix the spinning fan -hashes will change. Then the oscilloscope with animating textures, and also the fake reflexion or is is specular that now appears on some metal items. Only these.

Unless you want me to do an overhaul of the renderer, based on these AABBs that I added recently -then everything changes

[sly timber]

that's manageable then

[full estuary]

I think so too

BTW I'm putting heretic 2 back on the waiting list. Do you want me to finalize this new feature where a completely new texture is assigned to some meshes, for easy replacement in Toolkit?

[full estuary]

^ this one.. @sly timber

[sly timber]

go for it, altho why was h2 put on the waiting list if i may ask?

[full estuary]

I put a lot of work in it and am basically tired

Switching projects helps with the .. how to call it.. when you feel sick/nauseous of doing something

[sly timber]

right

like when you get tired of grinding out one video game so you move to a diff one

[full estuary]

yea

Although, I promised myself I would do some cleaning/sorting sh*t in the house, we have a messy house, I have some adhd symptoms :p

So slowly does it

[sly timber]

right o

[full estuary]

Oh, I got distracted with dinner and forgot.. I made some changes today, I added Flashlight binding to Cotrols Menu, I removed some configuration items that might break textures hashes (if changed by users) and added a Pixelize Texture filter (TLDR: Controls / System / Options Menus were slightly changed)

https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-files/releases

It needs the main repo build from here:

https://github.com/whisperglen/RTCW-SP/actions/runs/16525320935

Only use the .pak file from the first repo, or backup your wolf_customise.ini

[full estuary]

Oh, and I want to add a feature to drop new lights in game, and them edit them just like coronas

I’m not gonna add lights via Toolkit in Heretic 🕯️ 😅

[sly timber]

testing this out rq

[thorn kelp]

How do you do this?

[sudden steppe]

In the authored texture files, unfortunately. Remix can't scale UVs as a material argument atm. There is a github issue about it, but the runtime codebase will need some major refactoring before adding to support that.

[thorn kelp]

I saw someone had a python script that changed the uv of meshes that use whatever material listed in the script and whatever your uv scale says. Have you tried this?

[sudden steppe]

Yup, I tried that. I wrote that script myself 😜
https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1208149028077047880

[thorn kelp]

Nice! And that works well?

[sudden steppe]

Should work well, though it can only modify meshes that were already captured. So, you'll need to capture all your map or target meshes somehow and apply the script.
Keep in mind it was off-toolkit replacement and I've never tested how the toolkit behaves with that replacement format. Lemme know if it breaks

[thorn kelp]

Im running the script and it completes, but im not seeing the changes.

[sudden steppe]

No logs, errors, etc.?
It should've created an usd layer in a folder that is referenced by mod.usda, OR, you should add to the mod.usda yourself, can't recall

[thorn kelp]

It's working and showing in remix, but not in game. And the mod layers are correct and it's loading the mode. Just not overriding the mesh

[sudden steppe]

Mind sharing your mod.usda + that folder?

[thorn kelp]

The folder that mod.usda is in or the one that the script is in?

[sudden steppe]

the folder generated by the script with all the processed meshes + the layer also generted by the script, + mod.usda

[sudden steppe]

Eveything seems to be in place. Did you edit tht script to tell what will be the scaling factor for each material hash you want?

[thorn kelp]

Yes i did

[thorn kelp]

it shows the changes in the toolKit. Just not in game. Maybe the game is blocking mesh replacement or something

[full estuary]

I've had problems in game when that path was was not starting with @./assets
Toolkit had no problem, but game refused to load

Edit the files manually and replace 'D:/RTX-Remix-Mods/turbine2' with a '.' and see if game loads them

[sly timber]

got 1.1.0 to work somehow

[full estuary]

What did you change? I guess I have to try 1.1.0 at some point

[sly timber]

Thats the worst part, idk what I did to get it to work

[full estuary]

Hehe a day in the life of a programmer. Or so the story goes..😂

[sly timber]

Ok so game plan; I think im gonna try to utilize the particle system for escape1 electrical room

[full estuary]

Oh no i already felt guilty using the electricy lever. Now it's going to launch pretty particles.. which I'm going to want to watch again and again? 😱

[sly timber]

you get my idea, now im just tryna figure out how to add it to a trigger

because i dont want it to be constant, just when the lever is flicked

but i dont think theres a way to do that

[sly timber]

tried out the new particle emission thing

looks alright, would probably look better with proper tuning

[full estuary]

It looks good, nice job

[sly timber]

add realrtcw support

[sly timber]

[severe sapphire]

[sly timber]

I plan on changing the trees to use cco models because i cannot model trees for the life of me

I also made the sun less abysmal i think

more of a morning day now

@full estuary also skinned mesh works somehow if you install remix first and then the binarys so i prolly fucked it up somewhere to get thoes results

https://ambientcg.com/view?id=Backdrop002 hmmm

[sly timber]

https://polyhaven.com/a/fir_tree_01

https://polyhaven.com/a/fir_sapling_medium nah these fit better

[full zinc]

use one of those tree maker programs

treeit i think is a good one

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2386460/Tree_It/

Steam

Tree It

Tree it is a low poly 3d tree generator for the creation of 3d tree models for your own apps and games. Exports to .dbo .fbx (acsii) .obj .x.

Features…

Price

$3.99

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really really easy to use

[sly timber]

will it work for remix?

also 4$ so well see

[full zinc]

afaik a lot of projects here have used it

[sly timber]

alright

[full zinc]

https://www.evolved-software.com/treeit/treeit

it's actually free on their website

[carmine creek]

highly recommend https://store.steampowered.com/app/2386460/Tree_It/

Steam

Tree It

Tree it is a low poly 3d tree generator for the creation of 3d tree models for your own apps and games. Exports to .dbo .fbx (acsii) .obj .x.

Features…

Price

$3.99

Recommendations

146

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oh kim already posted it

[carmine creek]

I'm using it too

[sly timber]

Alright alright im installing it 😅 im on it

[sly timber]

temporarily put here but oh my god am i glad to not have to see this eyesore no more

[sly timber]

pretty cool

[full estuary]

Post a pic when you get the tree(s) imported

[halcyon forge]

ngl since it was brought up whats up with realrtcw like i know what it is and play on it but why not add support for it is it just not able to be remixed. or is there some unspoken grudge i dont know about here or something kinda just curious as to the reason why not to.

[or if it is able to be remixed do yall just not wanna do it sort of thing]

[sly timber]

Our main focus *at least mine) is rtcw main branch

Idk saintmaths tidbit but I think we've gotten so far into rtcw there's no turning back now

[halcyon forge]

well was just wondering is all another thing i was wondering is how far are yall like talking like the entire RTCW campaign or yall just on like the first couple levels still

[sly timber]

We dont have a set "finished" thing

Everything is subject to change

So id say nothing

[full estuary]

I'm probably an old fart because I truly don't care about it. Did you really like Real RTCW that much? .. Uff.. don't answer that I'm just being a condescending ass.
I just have other things I want to do, that would be the honest answer.

[sly timber]

i use realrtcw cause its free

[sly timber]

https://ambientcg.com/view?id=WoodFloor041 still on break but posting for later

[sly timber]

gonna test realrtcw again

with the wrapper n allat

[full estuary]

Curious how that goes. I don’t think I tested realrtcw

[sly timber]

right i forgot, its a 64 bit game

[full estuary]

Ah yea, I think I can compile 64bit version of the wrapper

But not this evening

[sly timber]

fair fair

i think earlier versions of the game (moddb) have 32 bit

lemme check that out

hm

[full estuary]

Ah yea

If it uses sdl

Tturn off rtss

[sly timber]

how do i turn off rtss :tamco:

or wait is that rivatuning?

[frosty pebble]

yea

[full estuary]

Set it to None

[sly timber]

I dont have that

[full estuary]

Ok then I don’t know 😛

[sly timber]

eh ill js wait then, rather than try to get a headache for 32 bit

for now i think i may START working on the car MAYBE

i gotta get it to work with the blender importer first

been sitting on my ass too long gaming, need to do smthn with this since none of my other projects can currently be really worked on anyway time to be productive

[full estuary]

Yep that’s the spirit!

I managed to create some basic layered materials for heretic the other week in instamat 🎉

No graphs so far 😛

[sly timber]

basically for future reference i want to work on this vehicle (as it seems itd be the most esiest to work with with the best possible looking outcome

obviously im no blender wizard so

[full estuary]

How will you do it? Start from scratch, or import some reference and modify that?

[sly timber]

well i was gonna import the origional model as a reference but

its weirdly inverted

no matter, checker texture to the rescure

/solid

so my design flow is like lego tbh, im gonna build each part

then put it together

i think the best start will be headlights

im also obviously gonna look at real world car referenced

[carmine creek]

select all faces and invert the normals, that'll fix it. ask someone who knows blender what arcane shortcuts you need to press for that, in C4D it's 2 clicks, one rightclick and one left click on "flip normals" 😛

[sly timber]

<-blender idiot whos used 2.5 forever

ty tho much appreciated

my belnder skills ammount to "ooh look i can split a sphere up to look like this"

the problem is i wanna make the inside sphere hollow

@carmine creek is there any shortcuts in edit mode for that or will i have to do something specific

[carmine creek]

quick google search says go into edit mode and then select every face (probably ctrl + a) and then under the mesh menu in the top left, normals -> flip

[sly timber]

ty

heres a mockup of my headlight idea

so #lifelike

[sly timber]

I do wanna say the exception for the mostly custom ish materials rule will be xlabs tiles cuz you cant reinvent the wheel

[sly timber]

@full estuary are you able to compile a 64 bit wrapper?

[full estuary]

Yes I compiled it the other day, but I was afraid to test it 😂 i.e. afraid it may crash in unexpected ways. Let’s see this weekend.

[full estuary]

uff, realrtcw.x64 starts in DX9 mode, but remix crashes..

[sly timber]

damn

any good guess as to why?

[full estuary]

nah, I need to get a debug runtime and start with the debugger

ahh, rtss my beloved

it's a x64 process so I need to put the game exe on 'ignore' and not nvremixbridge as before

but mouse does not work in alt-x menu, sdl my beloved.. (in_mouse 2 cvar fixed it in JediKnight or JediAcademy.. maybe.. if the console was out?.. don't remember properly)

this is the x64 dll, I need to do some cleanup before I push the changes

also the screen was gray for some reason

[sly timber]

is it safe to use?

like

currently usable

[full estuary]

yea the game ran for me

[sly timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1122415049210867762/1444415023194705930/20251129_144812.mp4?ex=692c9fd1&is=692b4e51&hm=70caf91d4cc990728d1fdc0dc5372b698052c57ebf4315c53fce9f6cceca1aef&

[full estuary]

hope I don't have any viruses tho.. 😂

[sly timber]

launching the game in safe mode gives this

[full estuary]

Send the qindie log

[full estuary]

Did you put the ini in the same dir? It does not find the settings

[sly timber]

Oh no I didnt, I put it in main

[sly timber]

after work i went home

wasnt able to get it to hook at all

loading maps where rasturized but it does act like its in dx9 mode

[full estuary]

I also copied all the dlls from .trex folder to the game.exe folder and it hooked then. I did not have enough time after to mess with it

[full estuary]

ok, I enabled camera detection,mode 2 inside qindie.ini, and then enbaled sky detection in remix

[sly timber]

Well thats something

[carmine creek]

stealth tech in WW2? It's more likely than you think!

[sly timber]

I love issues after issues, as my game now refuses to launch and instead eats up all my memory

it keeps eating more

[full estuary]

for me there are no keyboard inputs to the game.. ESC does not work either. But Alt-X works

:p

[sly timber]

dont try changing resolutions

[full estuary]

Ok, so note to self, when/if we want a new remix renderer in realrtcw, we may need to get rid of SDL input

[sly timber]

what exactly is sdl input?

[full estuary]

SDL is like a helper library for games that takes care of initialising OpenGL (I think also DirectX) and has function for getting keyboard and mouse input

It is supposed to help port games to linux

[sly timber]

ah

[full estuary]

And I am thinking that when the SDL2.dll is loaded by the game, whatever Remix does to capture keyboard and mouse for Alt-X menu, may need to be done for SDL and not to the main game executable..

big assumption on my part tho

[sly timber]

Yeah

any good assumption on why the memory is gettting brutalized? sdl for that too?

[full estuary]

iortcw and ioquake3 they also usesdl
No ideea about memory usage.. when the game started it really had moments when it seemed to hang..

I almost killed it after launch..

[sly timber]

it still just wont open for me

at all

[full estuary]

but the dx9 version works right?

[sly timber]

yeah

[full estuary]

after you kill the realrtcw.exe process, can you look into remix logs.. what do they say?

[sly timber]

remix-dxvk.log?

[full estuary]

I started in a window, just to be clear

And I see 640x480 resolution.. not sure that has an impact (maybe in fullscreen)

Otherwise I do not see issues in dxvk.log..

seems remix starts

Ah, you have it from Steam, the realrtcw exe, I got it from github.. maybe it matters..?

[sly timber]

that was started in windowed too, i can try the non steam version

[full estuary]

also I'm using: rtx-remix-for-x86-games-8b19262-1004-release.zip

ok, SO needs me, gtg

[sly timber]

cxya!

[full estuary]

I've finally pushed the changes to github for x64 wrapper and created a build https://github.com/whisperglen/QindieGL/actions/runs/19852317450

Fun fact: since the game does not see keyboard input, I clicked the x button on the window to close RealRTCW.x64.. and I've had two running processes since sunday.. luckily they caused no cpu load..

[sly timber]

Wait so like even if you hit the x button it still runs? Weird

[full estuary]

Yea very

[sly timber]

Does the window close and it still runs or does it js not close

[full estuary]

window closes and the process still runs

[sly timber]

Wow

Certified moment as I check my pc and wudduya know

Also curious saint did ya see the unity stuff

[full estuary]

Had a quick look, but I don't think I know the games mentioned there, only Stanley's Parable rang a bell for me 😸

pretty cool tho CR working his magic 🎉

[sly timber]

Yuh

[sly timber]

I swear this foddian rage game looks awfully similar texture wise

[full estuary]

It does

[sly timber]

It also has an entire level dedicated to "return to castle spiderstein" which isnt even rtcw, rather its based off of wolfenstein 3d and its making me rip my hair out (not literally)

[full estuary]

It seems it’s right there in the uncanny valley, I’d avoid playing for the exact same reason

😅😂

[sage reef]

i have the same problem where i capture a scene and not all objects appear in the capture
where i can find that console thingy you are talking about

[full estuary]

what game?

[sage reef]

its a different game

why

[full estuary]

Normally the games hides all objects that are not visible on screen

People working on HL2 RTX said they take a lot of captures for each room / area

Also game will hide all objects behind you, you need to find a way to turn off frustum culling, which is game specific. Most times, that is done with game hacking

[sage reef]

aw

well the problem is that the object was in front of me but it doesnt appear lol

[full estuary]

that is unexpected

do you have stable hashes?

[sage reef]

well most things arent changing in color, i know this isnt related to this channel but forgiv me

[full estuary]

Ok, try to ask in the Vice City channel https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1098394571668459540

I'm guessing you may need to install the fixes the people there made for the game

[sage reef]

okay👍

[naive basin]

@full estuary this is my new account btw (not that I can do much rn anyways cuz of lack of pc)

[full estuary]

Sorry about that, I think I saw one of your messages. Hope you get it repaired 🤞 Personally I'm busy atm studying a bit.
Also I've been messing trying to generate skyboxes for H2 with gemini: on one side I like it because it's creative, I can give it some art style and it transforms it, on the other side 4k split among 6 textures is too blurry.
Pretty happy nonetheless (I mean I'm having fun, and that was the plan 😄 )

How are things for you this new year?

[naive basin]

My new year was pretty good, and unfortunately its looking like ill need to js buy a new pc so that'll be wonderful, how was your new year?

[full estuary]

Actually better than the last (less stressed and a bit more zen 😝 irl) so I'm grateful for that 🥳
We spent time with our parents, and a lowkey new years eve (a bit of home cooking and mostly de-alcoholised beverages).

[naive basin]

Nice !

Hello yeah tho

[full estuary]

Posting this for "tomorrow" me, a discussion between Mark & Binq about the performance issues of merging multiple meshes in a drawcalls (that thing we needed to do for RTCW to get stable hashes).
Although this should be easy to compare: use r_novis & r_nocul 1 and check FPS and pathtrace quality, then set r_novis & r_nocull 0, and compare with previous. I don't see a diff (even in Heretic2 where I have the same thing + some PBR), so I worry I'm missing something and I need to use the GPU debugger and do some low level inspection.
#1313627595815911448 message

[naive basin]

Ooh

[naive basin]

Kim is was wondering if you could send these again, I dont have them on my new discord and pc

[full zinc]

sure

[naive basin]

@full estuary I was curious, if and when we get more materials done, more of a finished product, are we thinking abt making it paid on steam? Im asking cuz of the new rule

[full estuary]

Hey, just read the rule (I was a tad confused at first 😅 ). So two things that are on my mind regarding monetization:

1. In case the platforms we distribute on ask for money for distribution/storage we'll have to figure stuff out: either pay out of pocket if reasonable, or accept scraps to make payments on that platform only. However I don't think we have or will have such a situation..? (let's take this to DMs)
2. I remember when BlackMesa first came out as a free mod on moddb, I played it and was so impressed I searched for a way to donate money to those guys. There wasn't one and eventually I bought it on steam. So if anything, we may setup a donation avenue (buy me a koffee / patreon, with perks) where people can donate, but the content should be freely distributed i.e. no paywall. Are we allowed to advertise patreon or kofee on steam page?

What are your thoughts/opinions?

[carmine creek]

I skimmed through the steamworks docs because I thought I recalled something about valve not liking it when you link to external stores on store pages directly, but linking to your website which has patreon links is fine. Can't seem to find it tho https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store

[naive basin]

I mean either way works for me I js figured at least some form of monetary aid would be useful

[full estuary]

And this also depends on how much effort you’ll be putting in. Tbh I fist only thought about my approach to doing heretic2: I said to myself lets do the first map, then oooh next two maps reuse textures.. maybe I will do the palace too.. etc so I don’t have a good plan on how much effort I’ll be putting in

If I find a way to streamline things I may continue.. but I never promised myself I’ll do the whole H2 game 😅

[naive basin]

I plan on definitely finishing a good majority of it depending on how much more remix updates, as well as getting help for it

Weather that be hiring professionals etc

[full estuary]

Honestly I don’t have a problem with you getting paid for working on assets, since it’s serious work

I don’t know how much I’ll be able to help on pbr because I’m still a noob. H2 is my playground. But we’ll see

[naive basin]

Right

Cant wait too to see what hapoens with h2

[full estuary]

Theres a nature/forest area, mayan structures, canyon, castle 😅 And for character textures maybe AI helps me 😜

[full zinc]

i am still interested in contributing to this project

[naive basin]

Would still be appreciated

[carmine creek]

does IDTech3 still do the thing where every map embeds all the textures in the file instead of just referencing it from a package? Maybe there's a quick way of indexing all textures and where they're used to find the stuff that's used across the entire game.

[full estuary]

As far as I've seen (both idtech3 and idtech2) the .map uses text "filesystem paths" and they point to textures from .pkg files

[carmine creek]

ah so carmack did learn 😅

[full estuary]

There is a command I've used r_logfile iirc where it dumps the full names of the textures used by the brushes drawn on screen. And with r_novis, it dumps brushes from the whole map

[carmine creek]

neat, should be fairly easy to dump all the data and then running a quick script over it

[full estuary]

.

[naive basin]

Actually saint, thanks for the reminder that I gotta look into the tower again

[full estuary]

I'll focus on finishing this. It'll make some texture replacements easier.

[naive basin]

Cr has a little neat tool i wish to try that may fix the issue, however @full estuary is there a command to make the origional clip brushed be rendered visibly?

Such as https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/R_drawclipbrushes

Crs tool basically does the same as the original, hiding anything behind it

[full estuary]

IS this to draw the player character?

[naive basin]

No

This is to draw the invisible brushes that where used for stuff like player_clip and monster_clip

[full estuary]

doe snot ring a bell

what are they supposed to do these player_clip and Monter_clip?

[naive basin]

Basically these things

Invisible walls

[full estuary]

ha

[naive basin]

Although this is a valve title

[full estuary]

could this be an AI thing? i.e. to prevent monters from migrating across areas?

player clip should block player from certain areas.. but I don't think we have those in rtcw..

[naive basin]

Yes, although the specific one im looking for hides the objects behind it, specifically the tower area

[full estuary]

Ah I get it

Honestly I always imagined this was hidden by the BSP PVS

but I will look if there is an actual invisible blocker

It sghould be visible in the mapping tool..

[naive basin]

I thought so too but its a hidden brush (at least it was when I opened it in that one modding tool)

[full estuary]

Trenchbroom?

[severe sapphire]

RTCW is back?

[naive basin]

No, jack

[full estuary]

Yea, I'm wrapping-up my first 3 maps for heretic2 and I plan to start working here again

[naive basin]

Im back in rtcw rotation

Mostly cuz, no new news with unity rtx and also the tower

The tower will haunt my dreams

[full estuary]

It would be cool to have those view blockers.. I will search

[naive basin]

Definitely alot of areas that would benefit cough cough escape 1

😄

OOH

ALSO

The plane scene

Cuz you can kinnnda js see the entire dam behind it

[naive basin]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress-2-mvm-mann-vs-machine-scout-gif-9466896687214847048

[full zinc]

😬 those textures don't look so good just repeating like that on the whole wall

[naive basin]

If only there was different texture types

What does burrito call if

Octo something

[full zinc]

we can use decals to break up the pattern some

[full zinc]

idk anything about that though

[naive basin]

Ooh

Hm what abt like

A reverse plaster type decal tho

[naive basin]

@grand shoal hi sorry if its late but whats that tyle type

[full zinc]

i used a plaster underlayer for one of the brick textures, so that should be possible

[full estuary]

hex tiling https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/301

[naive basin]

Hoping its implemented sometime

[full zinc]

oh yeah that's my own issue lmao

it's been 2 years 😢

maybe i should attempt it

[full estuary]

yea it's about time we took matters into our own hands 😝

[naive basin]

It would be cool to have

Beneficial tol

[full zinc]

i'm not really familiar enough with the codebase to do it myself unfortunately

[full zinc]

maybe @frosty pebble would love to though because it'd benefit gmod maps a lot too 👀

[naive basin]

hi cr

[frosty pebble]

haiiii

[naive basin]

uhm uhm uhm uhm pretty please if you ever have time

anyways time to setup jack again :distain:

[carmine creek]

that's what the vis brush would do, it just creates a new leaf at that point but gets deleted afterwards, so it's like a handplaced vis leaf. In source they're called Hint or Skip brushes.

[full estuary]

Makes sense

[naive basin]

Im having issues finding the bsp to map converter i used to decomp the original maps

I dont have q3map2

Im it did both q3 map decomp and valve map decomps

Wait nvm maybe

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/BSP_Decompiler_005

[naive basin]

It was the right tool

Now

Time for the pain that is missing shaders and texture

[naive basin]

i come back a few minutes later and wowow its almost done already

[grand shoal]

What the

[naive basin]

In jack you cant preload shaders and textures

[grand shoal]

ah

thats annoying

whats jack

[naive basin]

Hammer for quake3 (and goldsrc)

[grand shoal]

ah

thats annoying

[naive basin]

The worst part is

It still wont even load all the textures

Everything but model data and clip brushes

And its paid

[grand shoal]

insane

[naive basin]

Its wtv

I dont care enough cuz we don't really need to edit the map, I was js looking for the specific brush I was talking abt earlier yesterday

[full zinc]

was the issue with all meshes (for one particular model) in a level being combined fixed?

[naive basin]

I think its actively being worked on still iirc

[full estuary]

I started working on an idea, but I put it on hold (I blame it on my perfectionism). Most of the work is done; don’t know rn if it’ll be good or a nothing-burger EDIT: it will be a step forward in any case 😅 . But we’ll know soon..ish

[stark shore]

It is down to -14°C so I got the Wolfenstein gloves

[naive basin]

wow

[grand shoal]

gordon freeman gloves

[stark shore]

Honestly every fictional character gets x10 times more cool with these gloves

every single non fictional person out there, for that matter

Move to Eastern Europe simply to be able to wear Wolfenstein gordon freeman gloves for a reason

[naive basin]

@full estuary i did back up most of the important stuff for rtcw btw on a seperate website

[full zinc]

🙏 could u invite us pls

[naive basin]

once we finish yeah

we still got a few things (different build, steam build) to put there as well as media

which well do after work

~4 hours from now

[full zinc]

if we can help at all let us know

we still care about this project quite a bit

[full estuary]

Did you manage to upload the files and send out those invites?

[naive basin]

Still working on that

[full estuary]

No probs, take your time.

[full zinc]

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[full estuary]

I've worked a bit on that geometry splitting feature I keep mentioning (creating aabb boxes and breaking meshes down if they have gaps). I managed to get stable hashes today 🥳 🥃and no big dips in performance.
There is still stuff to do, but stable hashes and no FPS drops was an important objective.

Since it's going to need r_novis 0, it now means I have to make sure there are no light leaks.. probably going to create a big enough sphere around player.. and see how that works -this is the next objective 🤞

[naive basin]

Good shit

Testing every map for light leaks if and when this gets pushed

[grand shoal]

Crazy progress. If only it was ported to...

[full estuary]

Also not sure how relevant, but Xash3D could work with the QindieGL wrapper.. I've tried HL1 with remix, and OF with just the wrapper.
r_novis and r_nocull set to 1, but still get unstable hashes.. would probably need the same fixes I did for Heretic2.. except now there are sources..

[full estuary]

Hold your sweet horses mister 😜
Lemme get the list out:

• Quake3A
• Jedi Knight 2
• Jedi Academy
• MOHAA
• AMG Alice
  .. hmm was there any thing else.. 🤔
  Ah yes maybe:
• Star Trek Elite Force
• ~~Heavy Metall FAKK2 ~~

The list got a bit long, and I had to do some heavy cutbacks 😂

[grand shoal]

guh

[full estuary]

😜 😘

[naive basin]

I have tested your wrapper with most half life games before

[full estuary]

Yep I know, people working on Cry of Fear used -nofbo to start the steam version

[naive basin]

I BELIVE this was an earlier one? I may be wrong?

I should test it on the modern wrapper

[full estuary]

AH yea, you actually got it stated

[full estuary]

Let me make a push on qindie

[naive basin]

Alright, ill test it when I get home see how far I can get into it

[full estuary]

https://github.com/whisperglen/fwgs-hlsdk-portable/actions/runs/22107179486

This is the opforce sdk for xash3d

[naive basin]

Ooooh

[full estuary]

https://github.com/FWGS/xash3d-fwgs/releases

[naive basin]

Ik an sdk isn't the same as open sourcing the material so how useful is the opposing force sdk

[full estuary]

Basically a game SDK is the engine customisation for a game. Rendering is still done by the engine, the SDK just handles UI, weapons, monsters etc

This OF sdk is needed, otherwise the OF gamedata does not work AT ALL with Xash3d -it's the only reason

[full estuary]

There are SDKs released for idTech3 games, like Elite Force, and FAKK, but since the renderer code is needed for remix -- they are not very useful

Lemme just try to push QindieGL..

[naive basin]

ohh

[full estuary]

https://github.com/whisperglen/QindieGL/actions/runs/23008062068

This is it, activate camera detection, and mode is 3, for Xash3D

Make sure camera is detected in Remix Debug View. Use -console when starting xash3d from a shortcut. Use r_novis and r_nocull. And I think I set gl_vbo 1 (and maybe gl_vbo_detail/gl_vbo_dlightmode/gl_vbo_overbrightmode)

[naive basin]

right

do i need to install anything seperate for xash 3d (i sorta always assumed hl1 was js xash3d by default)

[full estuary]

I think I just

• copied the valve and valve_hd to a new dir 'HL1-Xash3D'
• unzipped xash3d release
• copied gearbox and gearbox_hd to same folder
• opfor_sdk: you need to manually replace the dlls in the gearbox folder I think
• create a shortcut and add -console as a parameter
• for OF use -game gearbox in the shortcut
• QindieGL.ini -in global settings -set enable_camera_detection = 1 and set camera_detection_mode = 3
  • on second thought, leave enable_camera_detection = 0, to have menu rendering ok, and when ingame Ctrl + O to activate/deactivate camera_detection
• disable rtss, since remix crashes
• use r_novis and r_nocull. And I think I set gl_vbo 1 (and maybe gl_vbo_detail 1/gl_vbo_dlightmode 1/gl_vbo_overbrightmode 0)
  Links:
• OF sdk: https://github.com/whisperglen/fwgs-hlsdk-portable/actions/runs/22107179486
• Xash3D: https://github.com/FWGS/xash3d-fwgs/releases
• QindieGL with VBO and camera detection: https://github.com/whisperglen/QindieGL/actions/runs/23008062068

Hopefully it works. Unstable geometry hashes for now. Really needs that Heretic2 fix to be able to do stuff with toolkit.

[grand shoal]

I'm getting a remix crash on fakk2

Remix crash

[full estuary]

I’ll try to run fakk2 when I get a chance

[grand shoal]

This is what I use

Crash when I load into a level

[full estuary]

Normally the dump file can be opened in visualstudio, and if the .pdb files are also present, VS will show you where crash occured.

Is it a recent remix build?
And what level were you loading?

[grand shoal]

latest remix. The first level

[naive basin]

Uh huh

[crude pollen]

Yay

[naive basin]

Js dont mention allat on this server its banned

[crude pollen]

Ahem

Who say what now huh

[naive basin]

Like we said, the deleted account is our old one so if you have any questions/wanna see initial progress feel free to ask us!

[crude pollen]

uudddhdfdfhdfkfakjaskjasfd

why

well

I cant even eject it so

[naive basin]

Lol

Js buy it on steam its like 4$

[crude pollen]

Curse ye WinCDEmu

[crude pollen]

I'm BROKE 🥺 😭

I have NO JOB

[naive basin]

😭 damn sorry

[crude pollen]

The only time I make money is finding dimes or cash or coins on the ground

Which is so unlikely

because everyone is in poverty

[naive basin]

Shrug

[crude pollen]

This is the right game right 🥺

I have no clue if it is or not

Oh nice DX8

[naive basin]

Dx8...?

[crude pollen]

Direct X 8

[naive basin]

Yes I know

[crude pollen]

Yeah

[naive basin]

Wolfenstein is an opengl title

Where do you see dx8

[crude pollen]

Uh

Do I HAVE THE RIGHT TITLE???

[naive basin]

No....

[crude pollen]

NOOOOOOOO

Completely different Wolfenstein

[naive basin]

It looks like you have the wrong launcher entirely

Its the right game js

[crude pollen]

I don't even

[naive basin]

Not the right game

[crude pollen]

Huh

There's 2 RTCW's???

[naive basin]

No...

[crude pollen]

What

[naive basin]

I think you found like

A hacked client/cracked title

[crude pollen]

oh

[full zinc]

the original seemed to support dx8. OG sys requirements listed DX8

🙏 can you at least try to respect the rules pls

[naive basin]

It did?

[crude pollen]

You're imagining things

[naive basin]

Ive only ever known it to support opengl

[crude pollen]

So..

Like does this help at all?

I feel as if it would help like a hell ton

Cause if this version is already ported to DX8..

[full zinc]

it would've earlier on, but it's pretty much stable now and has a lot of extra features through the custom OGL wrapper

[naive basin]

that coulda saved a ton of trouble if it was still possible I guess?

[naive basin]

Yeah

[crude pollen]

Ok

Well

Woah

[naive basin]

I cant really suggest going online for jt because alot of those are bad actors

[crude pollen]

Just a video

But

[naive basin]

DELETE THIS

Oh video

[crude pollen]

Yeah

[naive basin]

!!!!

[crude pollen]

Just a video

It looked maybe

2011

[naive basin]

Hm

[crude pollen]

Looks like it was recorded with fraps lol

or bandicam

[naive basin]

^

Going back to that

[crude pollen]

Hey fun fact, my name is literally from the 3rd reich.

[naive basin]

Highly recommend you either ask someone for a title or wait for it to be free

[crude pollen]

Anyways

K

[naive basin]

Our name is 5 names long

[crude pollen]

Fine I'm buying it

RIP to my 17.48 in my wallet

[naive basin]

Bailey Bean Amnesia Ashle Laser

[crude pollen]

6.49 😭

[naive basin]

Rip

Worth it

[crude pollen]

Totally shouldn't check dm's

[naive basin]

Huh

Js this once sure but our dms are mostly closed less its friends

[crude pollen]

Ah mb

Purchasesedsedhuafa'

RIP TD Banking

[naive basin]

rest in pelce

[crude pollen]

Indeed

https://tenor.com/view/my-apologies-cheese-kitty-cat-sorry-my-bad-gif-1026852287997442026

Cheemse

I had this cat meme

It was "The last beer bottle in my truck shaking as I run over children"

But I lost it

:<

[naive basin]

Ah

I see

Gonna focus on learning more about halo reach for rtx, if you have any questions feel free to ping us

[crude pollen]

It says "given rtx.conf" but I cant find one

@naive basin

Nyehehehhee

Now I will spam ping you /j

[naive basin]

Hm?

[crude pollen]

^

[naive basin]

Yes

[crude pollen]

^

[naive basin]

What do you mean given rtx.conf

Where does it say this

[crude pollen]

"add the given rtx.conf to the same root folder ass your remix files and then change the in game settings to have both gl extension and lightmaps off
"

Here

[naive basin]

We think its in mods(2)

You also no longer have to type those cheats

[crude pollen]

oh

Either way it's still not there

[naive basin]

Hm

Then just run the game and tell me if it raytraces

With the mod

[crude pollen]

So just like drag and drop mod into the root folder :/

[naive basin]

Yeah

[crude pollen]

ki

It think's its jun 17 2025 😭

Oh wait

thats when the version was made

[naive basin]

Is this still an older version of the game or are you on the steam version now

[crude pollen]

Steam version

[naive basin]

Try deleting default.cfg

[crude pollen]

Uhhh

issue...

There's... No defualt.cfg

[naive basin]

K

Then

[crude pollen]

Should I try launching the game first

before just

[naive basin]

Reinstall wolfenstein without remix

[crude pollen]

trying to install the stuff?

[naive basin]

Yeah

[crude pollen]

kk

https://tenor.com/view/pregnantpaperclip-freaky-clippy-mpreg-gif-17996009734154919274

[naive basin]

Ok

Uh

[full zinc]

hey can you please stop with the weird shit. like consider this a warning

you already broke multiple rules multiple times

[crude pollen]

IT LAUNCHEDD

Aw

[naive basin]

Aw?

[crude pollen]

I cant to weird shit

[naive basin]

Yeahhh

Golden rule we have for that is to keep that in other people's dms

[crude pollen]

Guess I'll do dungeon or whatever first

[naive basin]

Instead of public servers

[crude pollen]

so like my game is grey..

It wasn't before

[severe sapphire]

I love the Steam version of RTCW RTX

[crude pollen]

I just changed reso to max

[severe sapphire]

[naive basin]

Did you change the dxvk to be d3d9.shaderModel = 0

[crude pollen]

WHAT IN THE

Oh I didn't yet

[naive basin]

True

[crude pollen]

It's back to normal

BUT I CANT MOVE

Heelp meee

Oh nvm I did

[naive basin]

Ah

[crude pollen]

Hmm

I wonder why I cant move like

at al

[naive basin]

Shrug

Might just be a rendering bug

I cant help rn you'll have to try troubleshooting

Whats your gpu before I dip

[crude pollen]

oh uh

3060 ti

[naive basin]

Mkay

[crude pollen]

Wai?

[naive basin]

js making sure its the right gpu

[crude pollen]

o k ?

[naive basin]

:p

[stark shore]

This only means that the game requires your PC to have DirectX 8 features installed

sound, input APIs etc

[crude pollen]

A

[crude pollen]

Still unsure how to fix my RTCW issue

[crude pollen]

FIXED IT

For some reason, turning on Raytracing just fucks with the cam

[naive basin]

Ah

[crude pollen]

There should be like a dc group or smth for this project

idk

[naive basin]

this channel right here works fine

its like

4 ppl max

us, saint, sparkles, and rune

[crude pollen]

A

apple

[crude pollen]

Gahdamn the meant-to-be cobwebs look god awful

[naive basin]

Yeahh

Can you send a screenie of your current scene

[crude pollen]

Oh yeah sure

lil bit late but

here

(It's bright because of cam light)

[naive basin]

Ooh you're doing light edits

[crude pollen]

It's not as bright as it seems

Yeah

For some reason

I cant figure out how to use ComfyUI

[naive basin]

F8

[crude pollen]

It's just

[naive basin]

Oh you mean lkke

[crude pollen]

I cant find anything 😭

[naive basin]

The ai stuff

Shrug

Never really tried myself

[crude pollen]

Fair

Lord save my fingers I have placed what feels like a million cylinder lights

[naive basin]

Uhmmmmmm

I meannn

Shrug

We are tired so it's time to sleep

[crude pollen]

Fair

[crude pollen]

I'm only like 43% done the interior 😭 (There's like 70-100 lights left) and about 24% done the exterior (maybe 9-15)

[severe sapphire]

[crude pollen]

First level.

[severe sapphire]

Ah
Doing your own mod?

[crude pollen]

Er

Yeah

How far is the other one tho?

If you know that is

[severe sapphire]

The one from here? Not far, I’ve only seen one asset done

[full zinc]

we worked on 2 levels

[crude pollen]

Uh huh..

[full zinc]

neither are complete, but one was pretty far along

[crude pollen]

And uh.. How far has the light or the textures & assets gone?

[full zinc]

https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1377775933993254982

[crude pollen]

Oh my!

[severe sapphire]

Different mod? None of these were uploaded to Steam

[full zinc]

this was the mod that @naive basin, me, and saintmath were working on for the competition last year

idk what's on steam

[crude pollen]

Ok maybe you can help.. How in the hell can I use ComfyUI for textures & assets (I think it works with that.)

[full zinc]

i don't use comfy, sorry

[severe sapphire]

Like one brick texture, that’s it on Steam

[full zinc]

lol

[crude pollen]

Dang

So how are you getting the textures?

[crude pollen]

Woah

[full zinc]

i made them in instamat

this was the original texture i had to work with for that roof lol

but no if you want it to look good, you pretty much have to make it manually

[severe sapphire]

Why the heck didn’t I give you access to the Steam channel?

[full zinc]

idek what you're talking about tbh

😰

[crude pollen]

I kinda feel that my project is now useless...

[full zinc]

nah

[severe sapphire]

I pinged you in the team server

[full zinc]

the project i was part of is long dead

[crude pollen]

Ah

[full zinc]

w/e you do will def be of value

[crude pollen]

k

I don't know what w/e means

[full zinc]

"whatever"

why doesn't anyone know what that means 🤔

[crude pollen]

Oh ok

Well

To be fair

w/ usually means "with"

like "w/y" or "wo/y"

With you Without you

[full estuary]

If it’s it’s any consolation, I understood it, it only took 3s of a raised brow 😜

[crude pollen]

Perchance

I'm now installing Instamat

Because it will clearly be useful

[full zinc]

the stuff i made for this project is easily the best work i've done for textures, and i am pretty sad that it never got released properly

[crude pollen]

If you want I could reuse them :)

[full zinc]

i think they're lost now 🙁

[crude pollen]

Aw

That's fine

brooo stupid pollen I'm dying of allergies

[full estuary]

Yea, one needs to level-up texture creating skills.

So can you tell me what have you been doing with the lights? @crude pollen

[crude pollen]

Basically been putting on cylinder lights at 0.24 0.08 0 over the torches

and uhh

about 50 ish intensity

I'm not entirely sure

[full estuary]

Hmm, in the Toolkit?

[crude pollen]

I just fiddle with it then copy the settings over to a diff light

Yeah

[severe sapphire]

Just invite bread to the same project, ez

[crude pollen]

How the hell do I "Activate" my abstract id 😭

H e l ppp

wait qq can I overlay captures with eachother to show all parts of a map?

[full estuary]

Adding lights as your first step in modding the game is a high risk endeavor.
How heartbroken will you be if the next release on github breaks all the lights you have placed?

[full estuary]

If you want objects in a room, do a capture in that room

[full zinc]

so

iirc easily the biggest problem with this game rn is instancing? objects are just part of one big mesh for the whole level, instead of properly being instanced across the level

did you ever manage to fix that math?

[full estuary]

I managed to break down geometry. Had an issue where doors appeared closed although they were open

Gemini suggested a fix and I think I’m doing that next

[full zinc]

awesome

[crude pollen]

k

Oh yeah I'm having that object mesh thing

It's kind've annoying

Because then my whole thing just becomes a bright yellow

Aswell as for some reason every single torch is grouped together

which means like 50 lights are parented to one mesh

If you fix that

My lights would indeed break

well actually

no they would

[full estuary]

Then, lets take the lamps that are baked in the map. I think I can turn them into props, but I have to change their vertices to relative values (they are now baked, brushes, and have absolute coordinates) Gemini says that may not go as smoothly 🤷‍♂️

[crude pollen]

Yeah that probably wont

ahh I see what instamat means

[full estuary]

Mesh hashes are cursed for BSP engine games. My recommendation is to create textures first and modify lights from the Alt-C menu

[crude pollen]

but

help

pleeease

What does it meannn

[full zinc]

did you check your email

[crude pollen]

Yes

I have a license

I just like

Cant do anything with it

Like at all

[full estuary]

Sometimes the license server is busted. Lemme do a check

Oh wait

Did you download the license file?

Wasn’t there a locense file you need to dld?

[crude pollen]

No

It sent me an email that the license was created

and I should then download the software

nothing the sorts of downloading a license

still unautherized even after reinstall

OH

Hmm I should've gotten an email

I didnt though

[full estuary]

Server is working for me, instaMAT starts.
I got 3 emails: 2 receipts, and 1 e-mail that the Pioneer license was created.
Maybe it takes some time for the ID creation to be finalised?

Watch some tutorial videos in the meantime, learning curve is steep 👍

[crude pollen]

Kk

Well I'm gonna pick up tomorrow

It's late where I am

[full estuary]

Ok, good to know. I just woke-up

[naive basin]

Not really dead... js heavily outa rotation

Also gm everyone

[carmine creek]

Top of the morning to you

[naive basin]

something something paragraph i can shorten down to 3-6 year esc plan but rtcw isnt the main game i really wanted to try in the first place, js the one that worked

[full estuary]

Woohoo!
Notice that geo hashes do not change when r_novis 1 --> r_novis 0 (and FPS improves 🥳 )

There is some light leaking, see pic, going to implement that Sphere NO-cull check, next.
Then I need to see if I can transform some brushes (like lamps, torches) to props, so that they can be replaced easier.

[naive basin]

Waow...

[full estuary]

Gemini figured out the issue, I just explained the problem..

Also it gave me a suggestion for animated textures 👀

[naive basin]

Ooh?