Need For Speed Carbon

[vagrant crescent]

https://youtu.be/VUEn9QCpsEc

The cable fiber-optic Internet will not be available until spring
now I use mobile unlimited Internet and it is on it that all possible locks are worked out first.

[thorn flax]

where can i get a clean version of nfsc

nvm found it

[vagrant crescent]

If anyone has a quixel account with the full library, please send me a private message.

[vagrant crescent]

now 90% of road textures have PBR

I made 80 textures in 1 night

[vagrant crescent]

https://youtu.be/vnLREhbS0sI

[vagrant crescent]

https://boosty.to/hopelessne5s/posts/39115a5b-2866-42d5-bc2b-9bc5be948d24

[vagrant crescent]

NFSC Remix 0.1 beta release
Have a good New Year's holidays for everyone
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z0qKHgVF5azhTW97AtD9ab7yK4OZWAnx/view?usp=sharing
https://disk.yandex.ru/d/qMN1LZ-raDKELw

https://vk.com/wall-234238271_11

[void robin]

@vagrant crescent could you please upload it to Google Drive as well?

[thorn flax]

Its looks so good

[thorn flax]

What bridge do i use

Like the remix version from nvidia

[vagrant crescent]

[vagrant crescent]

added a link

[vagrant crescent]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/nfsc-remix-01-beta/downloads/nfsc-remix-01-beta

[thorn flax]

My bad broo

[thorn flax]

How do your taillights work

Mine dont

[vagrant crescent]

each car needs to be configured for lighting operation individually

Unfortunately, I don't work with the game API.
Surely everything can be made easier

[thorn flax]

How do i do that

[vagrant crescent]

"wet weather"🙂

rtx.conf

rtx.opaqueMaterial.roughnessScale = 0
rtx.opaqueMaterial.roughnessBias = 0

[mild stirrup]

HOLY SHIT THE FIRST IMAGE LOOKS CRAZY

[jolly drift]

The car looks like a toy... turn off mathematically correct thingy in widescreenfix...

[vagrant crescent]

I use a custom FOV

[jolly drift]

Ah ok

[vagrant crescent]

close and far

[thorn flax]

It keeps giving me this

[thorn flax]

Reinstalled like 3/4 times

[wise flare]

so i think im being a dummy or doing something wrong or missing something cuz remix runs but it doesnt look the same.

[thorn flax]

Do you mind sending like the whole game file?

Like your copy

[prime sigil]

Can't ask that here man, even abandonware is banned on this server. Searching is your best friend

[thorn flax]

I have my own game

Thats not the problem

Something when adding the remix mod

[vagrant crescent]

Give me screenshots of your game, file folders.
also make sure that there are no unnecessary asi plugins, like the shader loader.

and run it from the exe file that I put with the mod.

[vagrant crescent]

The GMOD remix and the official rtx remix may actually look different.

I took screenshots with gmod

[vagrant crescent]

https://youtu.be/JTAPNDLBtRY

[vagrant crescent]

Looks like I'm the only one playing this game.
still haven't seen anyone but me...

[thorn flax]

Looks amazing

[eternal root]

Probably because colors are still shader based and need to move to fixed function

[cinder glade]

im just waiting some bugs to be fixed and im trying it

like the car's lightning

[mild stirrup]

Im waiting for more progress to be made. Its not there yet

[lost basalt]

he leaved again bruh

look at his profile

[cinder glade]

hell na

[jolly drift]

God damn

Well, i am not able to make car paints SM1 based... When i try, the cars disappear completely

[warped widget]

Why he left again? 😭😭

[calm solstice]

not sure. his progress was really impressive

[wise flare]

he has a lot of life stuff to deal with so bare with him guys. he is doing amazing as he already is.

i wish him luck on everything

[wise flare]

this is probably weird to asi. but if we can retreive shader color, does remix itself has the ability to set shader color? can we use a script to tell remix to be able to compensate for this? maybe we can create a texture layer and "paint" the texture or material based on the read shader color. i feel like if we can read ram values, we should be able to hack something in remix to emitate car color in remix. just a thought. i am probably clueless of the mechanism here so i apogize if i am wrong.

[prisma isle]

with the current shader, it is not possible to save the specified material reliably enough.

now I'm setting the color using texture and constants of metallicity and roughness.

and at the same time, the hash of the texture may be lost with some actions.

For example, the game considers a custom livery to work with a non-unique hashtag

at the same time, he considers unique pre-prepared liveries correctly, for example, Audi R8 Le Mans

but the RX7 livery, which can be obtained along with the car after defeating the boss, is not considered as such and is lost.

[prisma isle]

https://nfsmods.xyz/mod/5641
The diffuse textures are well done, but the normal maps were not re-rendered, but upscaled.

[prisma isle]

fixed the texture of the broken glass
previously, there was only a normal map without albedo, it looked too nondescript

I also fixed the texture of the car dealership windows

in general, 80 more textures have been added since the last release.

I would also like to make asphalt textures from scratch, but for this I need to study substance designer
or find a person who can do it.

[inner rose]

Looks nice but, any idea how to fix aquarium effect with car windows? (It's same problem as MW'05)

[prisma isle]

🤨

If you remove the ior, the glass cracks will not be visible at all

[inner rose]

I mean tweaking glass, so it doesn't look like there's water inside of the car, like it is in GTA4 for example

[prisma isle]

find the hash of the glass material and reduce the IOR to 1

I need to deal with MW as soon as possible, there's probably a lot of work to be done, but no more than in Carbon.

lol what

[next sundial]

Enable the thin glass option - no need to reduce ior

[hollow delta]

Hi everyone! I hope everyone's doing well

I've recently installed the mod to my game but it seems there is a bug with my game

I can't get lightning to work in my game

does anyone know a fix for this?

in the meantime i will try to get a fresh copy of the game and check it if works normally, my game got some HD mods and stuff, maybe i'ts making it incompatible

does these mods "widescreen patch, NFSC extra options & HD reflections mods" break something with rtx remix?

[hollow delta]

I have installed a fresh copy and i still have the same issue, tried both official rtx remix and gmod rtx 🙁

in the dev menu it doesn't seem to detect any light sources

@prisma isle

[prisma isle]

@hollow delta

[prisma isle]

No asi mods will work.
many mods work with fixed memory addresses specific to dx9

[hollow delta]

thank you, this is why you have provided a different EXE in the mod, right? so these mods are "integrated"?

[prisma isle]

only FX shaders are integrated into the exe, so that the user does not have the opportunity to accidentally change them.

but you have a problem with the game settings, they are too low.

[hollow delta]

oh ok, thanks!

[hollow delta]

This worked! thanks so much, i suggest you include this in the mod files so people can use this if they encounter this issue too

regarding cars individual headlights, i check earlier comments and it seems there is a issue with this, right? so this is why cars don't have headlights on? or it's still work in progress?

I'm loving this mod, i know it's still wip and early but the progress overall is awesome! thanks to whoever contributed

[prisma isle]

I made it too late.

[hollow delta]

It's ok, big projects take time and resources

[prisma isle]

the lights are set manually for each car, while there is no way to set the lights based on the game API, such as in GTA IV.

[hollow delta]

Thank you! Just be sure, for now, it's normal behavior for most cars not to have active headlights, right? it's not an issue with my game

[thorn flax]

how do i use this

is it normal that every car is still chrome?

[hollow delta]

can you provide a screenshot?

[prisma isle]

Uh

It's not chrome, it's silver.

[prisma isle]

have you increased the exposure in the postprocessing settings?

💀

gmod remix?

[thorn flax]

yes

[hollow delta]

yes

[prisma isle]

💀

[hollow delta]

wait, i'm a bit confused

[prisma isle]

1.2.4 better

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/releases/tag/remix-1.2.4

[thorn flax]

whats the difference?

[hollow delta]

i tried using it but the brake lights were too brights for me, i didn't like the effect so i chose gmod instead

will change

[prisma isle]

gmod is unstable and vertex colors are disabled by default.

I will update the mod on moddb soon.

please delete the old version before installing it.

[thorn flax]

i deleted the whole game

[prisma isle]

[hollow delta]

sure, thankss

[thorn flax]

then i just re install a new one

[hollow delta]

i'm not sure why all the cars are silver, seems to be a texture issue, have you tried carreer? are all cars silver too?

[thorn flax]

i have a zip file with no mods

[prisma isle]

but why didn't they give me enough feedback while you had it?

[thorn flax]

wdym

[prisma isle]

If you don't like silver, I can give you other settings personally.

🙄

[thorn flax]

i deleted it because im going to use the non gmod version

not because of the color

[hollow delta]

@prisma isle do you know which setting can i change to make brake lights less bright?

[hollow delta]

I've also tried here and it seems car colors are a bit bugged, in paint customization it defaults to silver for every color, seems to be an issue with RTX Remix, so at least for your car you can use a vinyl so it's not silver

[prisma isle]

find D37837E95E2A1859 in mats.usda
change custom float inputs:emissive_intensity

[hollow delta]

thanks friend

just to make sure, whenever i make a comment about possible issues in the mod it's not to discredit you or anyone else, i understand that RTX Remix has issues and the mod is still in WIP

[prisma isle]

Silver is exactly my setting.

without this, all cars will be matte and without color, that is, black.

1A3B6EBF5C23AD82
this is the address of the machine's paint shader

you can change it for yourself, it will be absolutely understandable for a native English speaker.

[teal turtle]

problem is that carbon uses shaders to generate car color

while mw and ug2 do it via texture

[prisma isle]

then why does the car color work in MW?

[teal turtle]

becauce they had to support fixed function pipeline

in carbon they went full shader

[hollow delta]

i think as time passes ppl will figure our how to make it work

[teal turtle]

carbon still has some unused code for car paint

[prisma isle]

Apparently, without api sharing, the remix will not be able to continue developing in carbon.

[teal turtle]

api?

[prisma isle]

Perhaps the translator misinterpreted my words.

In short, the remix needs to understand the logic of the game, as in xoxor's CompatMod GTA IV.

[vapid vortex]

wow looks amazing

[prisma isle]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/nfsc-remix-01-beta/downloads/nfsc-remix-012

[thorn flax]

Niceee

[hollow delta]

nicee, thanks man

[hollow delta]

Hi @prisma isle ! just to be sure, when you say it is set manually, do you mean that for every car, you have to manually "configure" the light to show up correctly? I've noticed that for some cars, there is no headlights at all, while other seem to work fine, like in this screenshot

So in the case of the other cars, it is just not been configured yet?

[prisma isle]

yes

[mild stirrup]

Hopefully all headlights and taillights working soon 🙏

[prisma isle]

I'm tired of carbon so far and I'm trying other games.
#1106549860393553961
#1103611804120264706

[mild stirrup]

i really wished bf2 or 2142 worked with remix

[prisma isle]

bf2 on the same engine as Vietnam
It will most likely work too.

[mild stirrup]

the project is dead with broken textures

[prisma isle]

lol
watch my video on BFV
everything is working well now

[thorn flax]

Take your time brother

[vapid vortex]

wow looks amazing

[alpine lance]

how is the new rtx logic added to this download?

[prisma isle]

What the hell are you talking about?

[thorn flax]

There is a new version of remix

Remix 1.3

[prisma isle]

I know that

I haven't made any connectors with remix logic, why should it work all of a sudden?

[hollow delta]

Yeah, @alpine lance the modders need to manually add remix logic features to the game

[alpine lance]

@hollow delta I'll ad a link if possible

[next sundial]

@prisma isle a little bit of anti culling .. but not too much (it seems). Have not tested it that much yet

[prisma isle]

Thank you so much for remembering my project

[next sundial]

@prisma isle what exe do you ship with your mod and why do you no longer ship the XNFS-ShaderLoader.asi and FX stubs? UI and everything is messed up for me with my exe, without shader loader

[prisma isle]

I just put all the shaders in the exe at once so that the user does not have access to them.

[next sundial]

no other changes? That means I can keep the asi and the files in the FX folder right

[prisma isle]

The mod that comes with the shader loader does not replace everything you need with a stub.

for example, a water shader, glass on buildings, and some areas of the terrain

[prisma isle]

#1160343046056063109 message

[next sundial]

Oh alright well I can just grab them from your exe then when I need them

[next sundial]

got it to render like that (full FF) with d3d9.shaderModel = 1. That way I can re-enable certain types of shaders (this is still with the FX files tho)

[vivid musk]

Might as well give underground 2 a shot since it's an older version of the same engine

[next sundial]

Mhh I cant figure out to differentiate between drawcalls because everything is added to one drawlist and I have absolutely zero clue how the effect framework works 🫣

[next sundial]

Okay found a way to differentiate by shader but that also means that I can not use the fixed shaders because they are all "world" shaders.
So putting texture1 into texture slot 0 lets the car render .. and I should be able to intercept the shaderconstant used for the color as well

looks promising

[vivid musk]

I look at this and imagine I understand everything and that makes me feel smart

[next sundial]

some progress I guess 😄

[next sundial]

Getting somewhere but colors are weird. Color is made up of multiple constants and the shader code is kinda hard to read ..
@teal turtle Do you have the car shader reversed by any chance (vs1_1)? I'm coloring the car using TFACTOR but I need a proper color for that

eg: at 0:33 the red becomes black when going left to the color bar

[hollow delta]

It seems the colors are taking a bit of time to change, check without DLSS and ray reconstruction

Maybe it's something related

[teal turtle]

float vdotn = dot(nview, normal);
float vdotn_diffuse = pow(vdotn, cvPowers.x);
diffuse = cvDiffuseMin + vdotn_diffuse * cvDiffuseRange;

[next sundial]

Thanks!
My main issue was that I wasn't clamping the final color to 0-1 and that resulted in these weird, random color changes 🫣

[hollow delta]

omg!! nice!!

[next sundial]

the slow color transition is/was caused by dlss

[hollow delta]

yep that was my thought

[next sundial]

I need to implement some runtime changes to get this working properly together with vinyls

😄

[vivid musk]

What about the texture hashes?

[next sundial]

They change when you apply vinyls so I'd either have to find a way to calculate my own hash (per car) but also find a way to detect just the car paint somehow

I was thinking about just leaving them unstable tho

I'll just set roughness per drawcall

[vivid musk]

My idea was to detect the shader type and apply one of the few preset materials
Non metallic shiny material for glossy
Metallic for metallic
Use the thin film shader for pearlescent etc

[next sundial]

there is only one shader type for cars

[vivid musk]

How do they achieve pain type? Parameters?

[next sundial]

yea

[vivid musk]

You could technically detect that

[next sundial]

maybe .. not sure

[thorn flax]

Damnn you even got the car colors working

[prisma isle]

I should probably remove my car settings from the USDA now.

I would also like the choice of paint type to really work.

at least gloss, metallic and matte

[teal turtle]

hmm, so color goes above 1? original game does not have hdr, so 1 is maximum for it

[teal turtle]

game is using cvVinylScales.x to set if material is affecting texture

if cvVinylScales.x = 0, then 1-alpha channel is used for car paint

[next sundial]

Yea calculations can result in colors above 1. I think the ps is clamping them automatically tho.

What material list is that?

[teal turtle]

of course, since render target is A8R8G8B8

[teal turtle]

you can find it in Binary or in Camera tool

they hold settings for car shader

[next sundial]

That will come in handy. Never modded these games before so learning as I go 😛

[teal turtle]

basically final color is texture + material settings

but for vinyls they added cvVinylScales.x

so material settings do not affect vinyl

instead there are separate settings for vinyl cvFlakes.z + vdotn_diffuse * cvFlakes.w

[next sundial]

I'll have to send related constants to remix' opaque shader and replicate all the logic there to get it to work properly. Can't solely rely on TFACTOR and multi stage blending via FF is not supported by remix

[teal turtle]

most wanted solved this by coloring the texture and then adding vinyl on top

so you have skin texture with color and vinyl baked in

since they had to suppot fixed-function

in carbon they went full shader

[next sundial]

yea I've seen that in u2

[teal turtle]

I think it might still be possible to force game to fill skin texture with color

[next sundial]

Very helpful info so thanks a lot 🙏

[teal turtle]

and not just 0000

[next sundial]

Should be fine like it is now. You can replicate a lot of shader logic in the opaque shader.
Still kinda hard to identify drawcalls. My only way currently is to look into the current D3DXEffect and the technique name. That does not help with actually identifying what part of a car is actually rendered tho ..

[teal turtle]

you dont need to indentify, original shader made in a way that works for all car

just extract current material settings

[next sundial]

Well the texture of the car paint is changing when you add vinyls so I was thinking of giving that texture a hardcoded hash so that one can create overwrites on the remix side

[teal turtle]

cvDiffuseMin
cvDiffuseRange,
cvSpecularMin,
cvSpecularRange,
cvEnvmapMin,
cvEnvmapRange,
cvPowers
cvClampAndScales
cvFlakes
cvVinylScales
cfSpecularPower

[next sundial]

But I'll probably just replicate the entire shader logic so that overwrites are not needed

[teal turtle]

that will be better, since some cars use generic vinyls, they dont use skin texture at all

[next sundial]

While you are here, isn't that: OUT.position = mul(float4(IN.position.xyz, 1.0f), cmWorldViewProj); the intended way to transform vertices? My car wont be visible if I render in shader mode. Works fine in FF tho.
Don't mind the color calc, it just contains the constants so that they are used and so that the game actually sends them to d3d for me to intercept them

texture DIFFUSEMAP_TEXTURE;

float4x4    cmWorldViewProj            : WorldViewProj;

shared float4    cvDiffuseMin      : register(c21);
shared float4    cvDiffuseRange    : register(c22);
shared float4   cvPowers          : register(c25);
shared float4   cvClampAndScales  : register(c26);

struct VS_INPUT
{
    float4 position    : POSITION;
    float4 texcoord    : TEXCOORD;
};

struct VtoP
{
    float4 position    : POSITION;
    float4 tex        : TEXCOORD0;
    float4 col      : COLOR;
};

VtoP vs_main(const VS_INPUT IN)
{
    VtoP OUT;
    OUT.position = mul(float4(IN.position.xyz, 1.0f), cmWorldViewProj);
    OUT.tex    = IN.texcoord;
    OUT.col = float4(cvDiffuseMin.x + cvPowers.x, cvDiffuseRange.x, cvClampAndScales.x, 1.0f);
    return OUT;
}

technique car
{
    pass p0
    {
        Texture[0] = DIFFUSEMAP_TEXTURE;
        ColorOp[0] = SelectArg1;
        ColorArg1[0] = Texture;

        VertexShader = compile vs_1_1 vs_main();
    }
}

[teal turtle]

OUT.position = mul(IN.position, WorldViewProj);

float4x4 cmWorldViewProj : WorldViewProj; is not correct

float4x4 WorldViewProj;

[prisma isle]

negotiations in ancient Elvish...

[next sundial]

Ah perfect! Thanks again 🙏

[main ginkgo]

Everyone wants to know Elvish

[next sundial]

@teal turtle whats the mapping between between these and the constants? Eg. where is EnvmapMaxLevel stored in for example?

[teal turtle]

https://github.com/MaxHwoy/hyperlinked/blob/f1f3fbfdfe6340a1636da02a396c4185046a54c5/src/hyperlib/renderer/effect.cpp#L188

[next sundial]

some experiments but its hard to control 😂

[vivid musk]

Pearlescent paint?

Ooooh

God I want this on underground 2 so bad

[next sundial]

yea but replicating the shader is not as easy as I thought

[vivid musk]

Probably better left to the mod dev. Also while you're at it, can you add clearcoat to the opaque shader?
Metallic car paint uses a fairly rough layer of metal with a glossy clearcoat on top. Shiny metal alone looks bad.

[next sundial]

I dont think that he's able to write shader code mate.
& not sure if I have enough brain to implement clearcoat .. and I dont plan to pay for AI again any time soon 😄

[vivid musk]

Fair enough. I'll force Cr to do it

[gusty tide]

gaw hell naw

[vivid musk]

Pls bro made realistic sky, clearcoat should be ez

[next sundial]

I have absolutely no clue how to get good roughness / metalness approximations from these material settings. They are so highly artistic ...

[ashen sky]

You're a legend for getting pearlescent shader working

I bet this could be used for other games if it isn't strictly tied to just carbon?

[next sundial]

If one would be to implement a generic version, yes - but this somewhat replicates carbons paint shader so highly specific 😄

[ashen sky]

Ahh

This looks good enough for a lot of purposes

@hearty iris mate we might need to update the thread soon 👀

[vivid musk]

CLEARCOAT, YOU FUCKER.
Google it

[ashen sky]

Language dude

[vivid musk]

Fuck you

[next sundial]

nothing that clearcoat would fix without getting proper roughness/metalness values, but yea .. legend

[ashen sky]

@vivid musk im sending a black vigo to your exact location

[vivid musk]

Uh. I already knew you were talking about pearlescent and didn't automatically assume

[ashen sky]

Btw xoxor we have clearcoat stuff already in the omniverse app

Is that something you can work with?

[vivid musk]

Also the original uses a 2 tone shader with hardcoded colors. They're mixed based on either normal direction or facing. There's no way to replicate it in remix. Thin film is a rough emulation of it.

[ashen sky]

#1412450145051869316 message

Something something we already discussed this here

[next sundial]

uh this is exactly what is shown in the video - I replicated that in the opaque shader

[next sundial]

even if so, this is beyond my scope and I don't want to AI slop it because I cant verify the code

[ashen sky]

i can understand, we've been left stranded with carbon having no colors for maybe 3 or 4 years since remix came out

[hearty iris]

[ashen sky]

Hello good sir 😁

[vivid musk]

I do believe that a rough surface would allow these colors to come off as brighter.

[vivid musk]

We doing compatibility mod for carbon. Dont be looking so confused

[ashen sky]

Dude that looks so much cool

[ashen sky]

This screenshot in particular rivals that of nfs heat visuals

[prisma isle]

Yeah, I just wanted to ask for it!

[next sundial]

ah shit why are they all green 😄

[ashen sky]

This is normal though, cuz one turf has this green theme

[next sundial]

this is a quick race tho

[ashen sky]

Hmm. Are you accidentally applying the colours globally 😵‍💫

[next sundial]

mhh not sure why that would happen .. but damn

[vivid musk]

God DAMN

What the hell

[inner rose]

that just looks insane, idk why nfs u1 u2 didnt have proper wet roads (rtx remix projects)

[next sundial]

because this wetness / puddle logic is globally applied

[prisma isle]

I'm so proud

[vivid musk]

Because he's doing it manually. I started with wet roads, then toned them down

[next sundial]

can turn it off with a switch

[vivid musk]

The only reason why my u2 project got so huge was because Mark really liked the wet roads I cooked up so I posted on yt and next day. 20 articles and 50 YouTubers were on my ass

[vivid musk]

Does carbon have a weather cycle?

[inner rose]

if something like this was made for nfsmw that has dynamic weather ohhh. anyway a bit higher res roads and its easily on level with nfs2015

[prisma isle]

🥺

[next sundial]

So other car paints might be bugged but not so sure about that ..
And there are some other issues from the anti culling code I have to look into

[ashen sky]

the anti culling code could also be useful in the previous games if you have this one figured out

Can't imagine them being any different

[ashen sky]

@vivid musk if this came out in 2023 it would've blown away everyone

[prisma isle]

It would be just as interesting to see with my custom fov and motion blur

With the original fov, the game is quite slow and the cars seem like toys

[ashen sky]

Is it possible to see what it looks right now?

Cars do feel a little slow

[eternal root]

alright few things i notice from a gameplay perspective

obviously, taillights dont work but thats fixable

second, that dinosaur should have red lights on it to mark it as a pursuit breaker

[next sundial]

most things are probably broken due to shader model 1 and missing FX fixes or missing remix overwrites

[eternal root]

https://youtu.be/MHiwmgGP1bE?t=702 its a bit far away here but you can see some red lights on the dino to indicate its a pursuit breaker

[ashen sky]

A higher fov alone makes everything look fast

[prisma isle]

objects in the distance really become distant
for such a small and dense map as in carbon this is necessary

"gopro effect"

[eternal root]

carbons default cameras are perfectly fine

[prisma isle]

maybe with the original rendering and its excessive motion blur effect

[prisma isle]

By the way, how is Autosculpt doing?

[next sundial]

Have not checked that yet. I can't figure out why all cars have the same color. It's driving me crazy

[vivid musk]

Have you tried this?
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/pull/113

[prisma isle]

[next sundial]

Well the base texture is always black when there are no vinyls applied so the hash is always the same

Tried to set custom hashes, didn’t work

Tried so set different fly colored textures based on car material colors but it still had that green shimmer for some reason

[livid smelt]

Try it

https://github.com/Sh2dow/NFS.CameraMod

It have dynamic fov

[next sundial]

@turbid shadow I'm running into an issue with my custom car shader. All cars that use raw paint (no vinyls) have the same color.
That is because, if a car has no vinyls, a black texture with 0% alpha is used on the car. This results in the same mat hash across cars.

So where exactly does the runtime create the mat_hash used at runtime and how could I influence it from the game's side without relying on a unique texture?

I'm currently sending info about the material color, roughness etc via unused Renderstates to the runtime so they end up in the legacy material. I then pipe them through the scene_manager into the opaque shader (all of that works great).

But because remix uses the same mat_hash on all the cars, only the very first color making it to the runtime is used - across all cars.

I've tried my old way of setting a custom texture hash in the LegacyMaterialData object but that does not result in a unique mat_hash at runtime. I can only see that custom hash once I've taken a capture and look at it in the toolkit. (Overwrites would work on that custom hash then)

In the second pic I assigned unique textures to each car on the game side just for me to see that I'm actually sending different colors to the runtime

It just need it to be a hack, I don't need remix overwrites (via remix mod) to work on these materials because they are completely dynamic. Roughness and metalness are handled from the game side via the custom car paint shader in the runtime

[next sundial]

Also tried using my custom hash in InstanceManager::updateInstance to change currentInstance.m_materialDataHash and currentInstance.m_materialHash but that does not seem to do anything 👀

[turbid shadow]

So, replacements are fetched in the SceneManager, if you want to change what material hash is used for replacements (or for identifying unique materials) you need to change it before SceneManager::submitDrawState's call to determineMaterialData() (or maybe just change it inside that function).

Material hash right now is just the texture hash, and is computed when the texture is created in DXVK.

If you were doing this using the Remix API instead of the d3d9 draw calls you would have full manual control over all this stuff without needing extra render state.

material sharing is determined in SceneManager's processDrawCallState, which is called from submitDrawState.

[next sundial]

So similar to bakeTerrain's code that populates overrideMaterialData?

In determineMaterialData I see that it searches for replacements first but there aren't any for these mats so it should create a legacy material, right? https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/505ab35457834e5da61efefec56a69d2a4211c5a/src/dxvk/rtx_render/rtx_scene_manager.cpp#L650

It seems that conversation is directly calling getImageHash in rtx_texture.h to get the actual texture hash here:
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/505ab35457834e5da61efefec56a69d2a4211c5a/src/dxvk/rtx_render/rtx_materials.cpp#L63

So would I need to / is it safe to modify the hash of the returned MaterialData which is fed into processDrawCallState?
(I've already tried modifying the hash of MaterialData in InstanceManager::updateInstance with no luck tho ...

As for the api, that would mean I'd have to render the meshes via the api as well, correct?
I unfortunately don't have the plain mesh data at hand to do this and wouldn't this also require unique textures so that I dont run into the same issue?

[turbid shadow]

there should be a line in processDrawCallState where it uses the material hash to check if we've already seen a draw call with the same material, and re-uses it if so. Either that, the BlasEntry lookup, or something in updateInstance would be what is responsible for the shared material.

Making sure the material passed into processDrawCallState has a custom hash should be enough to hit all three of those and prevent any material sharing.

As for the api, that would mean I'd have to render the meshes via the api as well, correct?
yes.

I unfortunately don't have the plain mesh data at hand to do this and wouldn't this also require unique textures so that I dont run into the same issue?
I don't believe replacements are applied to API draw calls at all, and IIRC they should each get their own material rather than sharing them (though this is a corner case I'm not really sure of).

[next sundial]

@turbid shadow You are a godsend - thank you! I was almost pulling my hair out yesterday 😂

A few changes needed:

• Added a setHash() method to rtx_material_data.h
• Added opaqueMat.setHash(getHash()); to: https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/505ab35457834e5da61efefec56a69d2a4211c5a/src/dxvk/rtx_render/rtx_materials.cpp#L57

and changed getHash from the LegacyMaterialData to return my custom hash:

  const XXH64_hash_t getHash() const {
    if (remixHashFromD3D) {
      return remixHashFromD3D;
    }
    return m_cachedHash;
  }

As a nice side effect, this also fixses the slow color changing with DLSS turned on when modifying the hue of the paint because the hash calculation includes the paint hue

[turbid shadow]

Nice!

[prisma isle]

I ask you not to mention me in the context of future discussions of the #xoxor comp mod for NFS Carbon project.

I will also not include it in my mod if I update it in the future.

[next sundial]

Welp, for context:
I had just added a toggle for it but he already rage quitted

[prisma isle]

Thank you for leaking personal correspondence.

[next sundial]

Mate, I just added a toggle and was about to tell you that

Stop rage quitting all the time

[vivid musk]

Lmao

[prisma isle]

Do whatever you want next, I just have nothing to do with it.

[vivid musk]

I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh but

[prisma isle]

It's not just about the baked lighting.

[vivid musk]

That's such a childish way of handling things

[next sundial]

Explain yourself then, please. Moving from shadermodel 0 to 1 requires a bunch of changes and its still in-dev. Ofc. some stuff changes here and there

[lost basalt]

tf

xoxor making a fantastic compat mod and he complaining about baked lighting

some crazy shi

and he left again tho

[next sundial]

I mean he has a point and I saw what he meant after turning it back but this behavior is insane

[ashen sky]

We knew of this happening, I'm sorry xoxor

[mellow rain]

Can you share more pix of this baked lighting on vs off

On its face baked lighting in PT sounds crazy

Oh he left the server

[next sundial]

will do in a sec

[lost basalt]

like third time😭

bet he will join again lol

[ashen sky]

Left is baked lighting?

[lost basalt]

with blue tint is with baked lighting?

[ashen sky]

Hmm

[next sundial]

blue tint is baked

[lost basalt]

well, without look more realistic

i always prefer more realistic look

[mellow rain]

The tinted version has raster vibes for sure

[next sundial]

Sure, but again - I understand his point but he could have shown me a comparison earlier instead of rage quitting

I meant no harm

[mellow rain]

Bro should learn to just take a deep breath and go for a walk or something

[lost basalt]

he will never change

[ashen sky]

I prefer the stylized look the blue tint brings, it's more carbon specific

But it's my preference imo, without it still looks pretty amazing

[lost basalt]

what about baked bloom on street lanterns tho? will you keep them?

[next sundial]

Sure and I would've liked to have properly converse with him over that after seeing comparisons. I had just added a toggle but I was too slow 😄

[mellow rain]

I think the way would be to mod the game to be closer to the original color but using actual path traced lighting, no? That random orange here and there without a light source just makes it look raster-esque to me

[ashen sky]

Perhaps the tonemapper could be adjusted some time later to have this blue tint? The baked lighting gives it a half assed approach

It does look visually correct but not enough to justify keeping the original rendering intact

[mellow rain]

Is the mod still coming out

[vivid musk]

I can take over if people want

As a side project

[ashen sky]

Bring the whole team back

[vivid musk]

What team

[ashen sky]

team

[vivid musk]

Look at me

I'm the team now

[mellow rain]

What's still left to do

[vivid musk]

Anal things left to do here and there

*small

I love autocorrect

[vagrant crescent]

🖕

[vivid musk]

Testing, making basic assets, managing release

[vivid musk]

Fuck you too

Little shit boy

[ashen sky]

dude why do you have a alt if you left fr

[vivid musk]

Get back on your main account you little shit

Let me watch you throw a tantrum in realtime

[next sundial]

I'll release the comp mod, yes. But I'll have to also work on lights and textures now unfortunately, which was already handled pretty well by his mod.
Would have loved to have make it happen with him and I started this work because I saw work being done on this game.

Again, I understand his position and can see why he want's baked lighting - but he needs to be able to properly communicate and argue.

[vivid musk]

Mhm

[next sundial]

Nothing is stopping someone from using his mod with my comp mod obviously

[vivid musk]

Well

Now that things have happened

Have you guys heard of this game called need for speed underground 2?

[next sundial]

will look into it next friend 👍

just dont rage quit on me

[vivid musk]

I won't. I'm an adult

[mild stirrup]

Idc about original look. Just achieve NFS 2015 graphics

[ashen sky]

Or just 2015 Remix mod

[eternal root]

Ok seriously what’s this guy’s problem I swear this is like the 5th time he’s done this

[thorn flax]

Right looks nicer

[next sundial]

well one can easily toggle it now

[gusty tide]

why do your imgui menus always look so good

[next sundial]

Thanks! Well, I posted this because I wanted to show off the theme
Turned out pretty good

Feel free to use the widgets (they are already in the iv repo)

[vivid musk]

Every time you show your gui, it looks even better

[calm solstice]

after he left this time, i reinstated his ban. his alt will also be banned

@next sundial if you could put together a small post to pin before we lose permissions, that'd be great

[next sundial]

Will do later today and let you know 👍

[calm solstice]

<placeholder>

[calm solstice]

(doing this for any extra important threads)

[mint sky]

And why was he banned?

[calm solstice]

constant poor behavior, starting arguments with others, causing problems like above

also when he was banned last time, he joined on an alt which is ban evasion (the same alt he used above to troll)

simply put, the ban is to prevent him from coming back and causing more of the same issues

[past parcel]

Soil guess nfs carbon rtx will soon get an update

[ashen sky]

New paper that is able to calculate glint or glitter effect, results can be achieved in real time

https://perso.telecom-paristech.fr/boubek/papers/Glinty/Glinty.pdf

Might be interesting to experiment with

[heady bear]

Why is he always looking for problems. I dont get it

Oh well

Once I finish my NFSMW mod (will take long probably lol) I would be interested to take a shot at this too! If necessary of course

[next sundial]

NFS Carbon Compatibility Mod 0.9.3

#1160343046056063109 message

NFS Carbon Compatibility Mod 0.9

First release of the NFSC CompMod that makes the game more compatible with remix.

It features:

• A custom remix runtime with:

  • custom car paint shader
  • dynamic wetness code with puddles, raindrops, occlusion checking ..
  • per drawcall tweaks

• Logic to aid with drawcall modifications

• Anti Culling code + per mesh adjustable preculling (occlusion)

• FF rendering in shadermode 1

• A vast range of customization options (eg. enabling baked lighting)

• ImGui menu to tweak settings and for debugging purposes

Releases with install instructions: https://github.com/xoxor4d/nfsc-rtx/releases

[calm solstice]

✨

[next sundial]

You are fast

[calm solstice]

was checking the channel right before going to sleep lol

(totally is not 7 am rn)

[lost basalt]

incredible work again

time to test it

[mellow rain]

Damn good stuff, will definitely give it a go later tonight

[lost basalt]

huh theres no nfs carbon on steam

[mellow rain]

Maybe do a video 👀

[lost basalt]

where do i get it😭

[calm solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-im-watching-you-gif-16773151899168519026

[lost basalt]

like fr where

only on the site that i cant spell here?😶‍🌫️

[mellow rain]

Buying a nice used physical copy on ebay of course

[lost basalt]

and waiting a few months for the delivery to my county

[lost basalt]

no cpu bottlenecking, right?

[next sundial]

There are areas where it starts to happen (I start noticing it at +2k drawcalls) so similar to IV

but it performs much better overall

[mild stirrup]

Ahh i wish the headlights and taillights worked

Guess i will wait some more

[next sundial]

thats why it's 0.9 😂

but since its always night, one can just add lights to the mesh via remix mod

[ashen sky]

Looks very good xoxor

Now I just wait for someone to upload videos of it on YouTube

[mellow rain]

Xoxor do you wanna make a post on Patreon too maybe for people who are subscribed

Would be a good public resource for all the compat mod stuff

[hollow delta]

Hi, after installing the compatibility mod, my game won't start and it gives me an RTX Remix Runtime Error, it asks me to upload the log and dump files into the RTX Remix github

should i do it? can i post here instead?

I have reinstalled both the rtx remix mod then the comp mod and still gives me the error

Exception 0xc0000005 at 0000000000000000! Saving minidump to 'E:\Games\Need for Speed Carbon.trex\NvRemixBridge.exe_20260223_092142.dmp'

[next sundial]

Uh why do you tag mark instead of tagging me first mate 😂
Please post the dmp file here together with log files from rtx-remix/logs and this log file:rtx_comp/logfile.txt

[hollow delta]

sorry, i thought it's more related do the tool itself than ur mod, so maybe it was something that he could handle better

sure, will do

i have the windbg log if you want, i can paste it here

[next sundial]

Mhh did you install it correctly? Your remix version is different from mine

[hollow delta]

the mod version or the runtime version?

[next sundial]

remix runtime

How did you install this?

[hollow delta]

installed the 0.1.2 mod from moddb -> replaced all files in main, then installed the comp mod -> replaced all files in main

[next sundial]

By following that?

[hollow delta]

oops i thought i was supposed to replace everything same way as the mod 0.1.2 itself

will remove everything from the mod and try again

[next sundial]

the remix-dxvk.log should show info: DXVK_Remix: remix-main+f9e70167

ah it seems the d3d9.dll didnt make it into the zip ..

[hollow delta]

it's in here, is it a different one?

[next sundial]

the one in .trex

[hollow delta]

oh

[next sundial]

sec

redownload the release now (just updated it)

oh I see it didnt even make it into the assets/.trex folder on the repo

gitignore .. its in the repo now

[hollow delta]

game now opens

it seems the issue was the missing files

xd

looks amazing, thanks again xoxor4d and everyone who contributed to the mod

[next sundial]

Just did 👍

[next sundial]

first, but I lack knowledge to get the most quality out of a recording 😂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIeSMRF18P4

[vivid musk]

This should hopefully give it a boost

I got way too many nfs fans on my ass

Begging me for updates

distraction techniques

[ashen sky]

did you just

like your own post

[vivid musk]

Yrs

its a good post

I like my post

[quaint stream]

This is what we waited for 😁
Amazing job

[thorn flax]

Is there a tutorial?

[thorn flax]

Alr

[ashen sky]

placeholder

[vivid musk]

@next sundial how resolution?

[next sundial]

sorry, updated the gh release:

[vivid musk]

widescreen fix strikes again

@next sundial There's a weird stuttering going on. I'm not using frame gen

The game also feels like it's stuttering

Even though I'm getting above 60 fps

The frame pacing graph is normal but it's very stuttery

And whatever this is

[next sundial]

.. it might do something weird under the hood .. not sure. Something is off about this game anyway ... decals dont work at all

when you mark them, they disappear

[vivid musk]

weird

Definitely not very playable

The graphs and frame times all look good but when you actually play, there's a perceivable stutter. It's pretty nauseating

[next sundial]

mhh try the affinity batch file from gta4?

[vivid musk]

The only visible proof is the dlss debug hud

[next sundial]

you need to change the exe name obv

[vivid musk]

the hwat now

[hollow delta]

What's up with Neville T Posing? lmao

[vivid musk]

We do not speak of that

[next sundial]

lmao haven't played much so did not come across that

[hollow delta]

Meet the secret final boss of NFS Carbon

[vivid musk]

Literally the first mission, lol

[vivid musk]

lets see

[next sundial]

already renamed .. a well besides the bat itself

[next sundial]

I have a 100% savegame

[vivid musk]

Didn't do much. Its still stuttery. Maybe the motion vectors are messed up?

[hollow delta]

try with DLSS off

[vivid musk]

Guess that's the problem

Another issue specific to racing games that took me MONTHS to figure out is the

The uh

Instance thing

This needs to be tweaked because of how fast racing games are

[hollow delta]

this seems like a nightmare i would have

[vivid musk]

Sometimes stuff travels so far between frames that remix interprets it as a fresh piece of geometry.

That messes up the motion vectors among other cache related things

Screenspace motion vectors are also stuttering a lot

[next sundial]

Might be worth a GH issue on the rtx-remix repo if you are up for that

[turbid shadow]

Someone ping me then delete the ping or something?

[next sundial]

Yea someone had trouble with this game and instantly pinged you. The issue was already resolved tho 👍

[vivid musk]

What would the issue be?

Seems like a game-side problem

[next sundial]

Well that decals do not work

[turbid shadow]

👍 thanks for dealing with it then

[ashen sky]

https://youtu.be/MWy3CXyxqnc?si=5dqKg-ldFiO4lTYw

[vivid musk]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-oh-hi-mark-hey-mark-gif-17296134

[next sundial]

and the motion vector issue you just shown

[vivid musk]

I'm going to be real with you

I don't like this game. The cars vibrate around like heavy machinery and it irks me so much I can't put into words

[main ginkgo]

Lol

[main ginkgo]

Do I understand correctly that the asphalt material properties can only be changed via the GUI?
Is it possible to implement a dynamic weather system using RTX Remix Logic?

[next sundial]

No its completely dynamic and when it rains in the game, it gets wet. You don't need the gui for that

[mellow rain]

Man, as always with path tracing, this really shines when you play it yourself and see it in action. Amazing work yet again @next sundial

I did however notice these tire tracks rendering transparently 7FECD824194F79E8

Interestingly if I mark them as decals and then unmark them again they render correctly

Is it recommended to install updates for the game?

Is this a comp mod issue? 😂

Performance is great so far, haven't noticed any massive CPU limit, certainly nowhere near GTA 4

[vivid musk]

Yes

[next sundial]

uh well I dev'd on 1.4 what version are you on?

[next sundial]

yea

and decals are messed up for some reason in this game .. they just become invisible when tagged as such

[mellow rain]

Oh, it's 1.4. I installed if off a disc so I thought it'd be 1.0

[mellow rain]

It's weird, this particular decal seems to be untagged. If I tag it as decal and then untag it renders properly until I guess it unloads and loads again at which point its transparent again

[hollow delta]

@xoror4d please fix tposing neville plox

lmao

[next sundial]

Will look at it in the coming days

[thorn flax]

not even close

only my gpu is being maxed

which is normal

9800x3d at max 40%

[mellow rain]

Played a bunch and man it looks good. Props to hopelessness for the mod as well

Recorded a short vid of me racing badly to upload

[spare notch]

@next sundial I have updated the DLSS Files to the latest Version (310.5.3) and gained about 15-20 FPS in general. Only still fighting with Reshade Installation.

[mellow rain]

This is some good car rendering

[vivid musk]

These reflections don't make much sense to me

On the road

[ashen sky]

Probably using the game's converted textures?

Might be the specular map

[vivid musk]

The reflection on the road

[ashen sky]

Ah yes

Wait what are you on about the reflections, do you mean these arrows looking a bit weird

[vivid musk]

There are two sets of arrows in the clear reflection

One is the one you see actually above and there's a second reflection where the lines are much closer

[ashen sky]

yeah...

I see what you mean now

[mellow rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDFEmw4ab7w

[vivid musk]

Blue and red lines show the two sets

[mellow rain]

There is definitely something weird going on there

Kinda looks cool thouhg

It gets fixed if I turn off enhanced mats

[ashen sky]

Xoxor pls fix 🙏

[mellow rain]

It's this texture that's being reflected but not showing up

BB8A3337E66FEE40

[ashen sky]

What if you ignore it?

[mellow rain]

Then it's not in the reflection anymore

Question is, is it supposed to be actually rendered

I don't know what vanilla looks like here

[ashen sky]

Clearly there are two textures judging by the outline around the arrow and the texture itself

Wonder why it's reflecting when there's nothing to reflect

[vivid musk]

Ahhh

I think the texture is whatever the game is generating. Should probably be disabled

[hollow delta]

what about this case, where a bright yellow reflection is being shown on the right side but there's no bright light source there?

seems like a lightpole there but there's none on this road

maybe it's an artificial sun?

[heady bear]

This looks awesome already! @next sundial how do you have so many pbr materials already? I dont think you replaced the road textures by hand right?

[next sundial]

It’s hopelessness‘ mod. I did not replace any textures besides some headlight fixes. Planning to speedrun my own mod tho so that I don’t have to rely on the other mod (because he might just pull it if he feels like it)

[heady bear]

Oh he did that okay I see

[hollow delta]

Things were going great, sad that he ragequit

[mellow rain]

Damn 140 comments on xoxors vid

NFS fans be fiending for some RTX

Or jus some sort of remastering for the old games

[ashen sky]

Lots and lots of people yearn that old look

[eternal root]

^

[ashen sky]

that stylized lighting or blue tint symbolizes the game's tone and sets it apart from others. I just wish the tone mapper solution becomes permanent

[eternal root]

That’s what happens when you haven’t released a game that’s a meaningful improvement to the series in close to 20 years

See: TUFU (the UE5 remake of Underground 2) and the two WIP remakes of MW in Unity and Unreal

[mild stirrup]

imagine if it had rear lights 😭

[ashen sky]

It will bro, trust 🙏

@vivid musk will make a mod for carbon that'll leave underground 2 behind fr

[spare notch]

In some situations the rear lights works pretty good.

[mild stirrup]

Yeah and also its a game set at night time only

Night time without taillights is very unsafe and you will get a ticket

This mod is not lawfully compliant

[thorn flax]

Same with the cgt

Looks amazing

Some are very bugged like the slr

And murcielago lp-640

[cinder glade]

will this work in nfsco online ??

[next sundial]

Does anyone know if this game is even using specular maps .. like at all? 😄

ah they seem to be in the alpha channel

[quaint stream]

Hey @next sundial what is your next plan with this game?

[next sundial]

AutoPBR

[ashen sky]

For which texture?

[quaint stream]

Awesome 😁 keep going community awaits

[next sundial]

pretty much all of them

not sure how to detect that tho

like a diffuse might actually use the alpha channel for transparency..

[ashen sky]

Why do they all have specular though. I guess only diffuse and normal maps are present

[eternal root]

No

[ashen sky]

Looks proper and not anything related to transparency so far

Might be a few select textures that might have used alpha channel for transparency

How would one identify them though 🤔

[next sundial]

Like this it seems:

bool format_has_alpha(D3DFORMAT format)
{
    switch (format)
    {
        // Explicit alpha formats
    case D3DFMT_A8R8G8B8:
    case D3DFMT_A1R5G5B5:
    case D3DFMT_A4R4G4B4:
    case D3DFMT_A8:
    case D3DFMT_A8B8G8R8:
    case D3DFMT_A2R10G10B10:
    case D3DFMT_A16B16G16R16:
    case D3DFMT_A8L8:
    case D3DFMT_A2B10G10R10:
        return true;

        // Compressed formats with alpha
    case D3DFMT_DXT2:
    case D3DFMT_DXT3:
    case D3DFMT_DXT4:
    case D3DFMT_DXT5:
        return true;

    default:
        return false;
    }
}

bool texture_has_alpha(IDirect3DTexture9* texture)
{
    if (!texture)
        return false;

    D3DSURFACE_DESC desc{};
    if (FAILED(texture->GetLevelDesc(0, &desc)))
        return false;

    return format_has_alpha(desc.Format);
}

// ....

auto has_alpha = texture_has_alpha(texture);
if (!state.alpha_blend_enabled && !state.alpha_test_enabled)

[ashen sky]

Amazing. Can't wait for the entire game to look proper

[thorn flax]

Insane how quick the development has been

After it had been abandoned

[crude shard]

Why game goes in slow motion if fps near native 30? Any ways to make it work in realtime?

[jolly drift]

Hell no. NFSCO blocks all DLL and ASI files

[thorn flax]

Simrate set it to 0

In widescreenfix

[next sundial]

there are not a lot of world textures it picks up

[crude shard]

thanks, I'll try

[thorn flax]

No problem

[next sundial]

first autopbr pic

it generated 138 materials (some of them are ignored later on ..) on 1 run on a track .. not a whole lot

[quaint stone]

What does it look like without rain?

[next sundial]

you only really notice it on the asphalt roads but its only a little

[warm river]

hey there, did anyone tested performance with 3060?

[acoustic talon]

As SenseMods said, rx has blocked all code injection mods. This mod won't even work in NFSCO singleplayer. But maybe, if it gets good enough, he will change his mind.

[hollow delta]

tbf, without may make the game more realistic, but i really like the blueish tint, if fits more with the game artistic style

[next sundial]

There are always ways but they've probably hooked so much stuff that it would conflict a lot with my hooks

[mild stirrup]

Do any vinyl or new cars mods work

Like hd decals

[next sundial]

should work just fine

[mild stirrup]

Hm instead of adding light thru mesh

Cant we just force the brake light on?

Like a toggle switch

[next sundial]

Brake lights are already working like they should but only on the ccx right now

[mild stirrup]

I mean force it permanently on

To act as taillights

[teal turtle]

how does it know if road is inside the tunnel?

[mellow rain]

There is an option for occlusion checking

I think it's using rays to check if the ground is obscured or not

Pretty cool

[teal turtle]

yeah

[thorn flax]

did it work?

[crude shard]

I will check it tomorrow, I am not near pc since I asked question(

[sharp karma]

hello

[hollow delta]

hi

[mellow rain]

Hi there

[thorn flax]

Anyone else experiencing frequent crashing?

When going like back and forth in the menus

And quitting a race

Everytime there is a loading screen

Doenst happen when im just playing tho

Like racing or in freeroam

Only when like “loading” things ig

Not everytime but very frequently

[spare notch]

@thorn flax maybe a fresh reinstall could solve the issue. Game Version 1.4 runs fine so far.

[thorn flax]

Il try that

[sharp karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG_rg6BDCC8
can anyone please help me with this mod
I'm trying to get this to work but neville's head is over the car and the car models often are just wheels or no colour

at first My version was 1.2
and then I tried to do with over redux mod

[next sundial]

Try clean 1.4 and make sure that you follow the install instructions correctly

[sharp karma]

Thanks
Will let you know

[crude shard]

yes, it's better now. Thanks)

[mellow rain]

Thought I'd do some random benchmarks since no one is doing a nice tech article on RTX Remix titles. Sadly I only have one GPU/CPU

RTX Custom = stock settings

This is without FG of course

[mellow rain]

Btw Windows Defender is hella trying to kill the rtx.asi so if you're only seeing wheels make sure that's still in the folder

[hollow delta]

bro just deleted the video while i was watching

criminal

[mellow rain]

I have to redo it

Non-RTX had wrong settings

Here's a comparison I attempted to do although it gets pretty desynced because the autodrive from the mod I used drives pretty variably. If anyone knows a better way to have two identical races let me know

Also it's without the baked colors

[finite wagon]

jesus what a difference

[hollow delta]

funny how the suspension goes wild when breaking lol

[sharp karma]

Gotta admit
Vanilla game is beautiful

[hollow delta]

yeah, at nighttime it's easier to reproduce a more realistic graphic

the artstyle is awesome

at higher resolution and with some HD texture mods the game looks beautiful

[spring willow]

Hi guys, my game looks like this, would anyone know what's wrong? 🙁

[mellow rain]

Do you have nfsc-rtx.asi in your game folder?

[spring willow]

Would that just be in the base NFSC folder, or a subfolder?

[mellow rain]

Base folder

[spring willow]

I don't see it, no

[mellow rain]

It needs to be in there to work. Try re-extracting the zip into the folder

Could be that Windows Defender is removing the file though, I had that happen yesterday

[spring willow]

OK thanks, I've now re-extracted it to the base folder, will give it a shot! 🙂

Got a debug console that opened up which looks promising, but now it's frozen here

[hollow delta]

click on the game window, i think it will resume

[spring willow]

"NFSC.exe is not responding" 😂

[hollow delta]

i'd suggest you delete all of the files you put into the folder

of the mod

and do it again in the correct order

[mellow rain]

Just try extracting all the files from the mod zip into the folder again

[spring willow]

So compatibility mod first, then hopelessness' mod, right?

[mellow rain]

Yes but

https://github.com/xoxor4d/nfsc-rtx/releases

Installation instructions are here

[spring willow]

Oh yeah I was careful to only extract that haha

Cheers bud, will try again

[hollow delta]

Also, games that are build from the ground up to use ray tracing, or are sponsored titles such as HL2 RTX, usually yield even better results, the fact that we can have this already with just some modders with basic gamedev knowledge is awesome

[spring willow]

Now it doesn't even start smh. Followed the instructions again and deleted FX and plugins folders, which have since been reconstructed. Also deleted the NFSC dxvk cache and restarted the PC, and the cache has been reconstructed, but I get the same issue

[hollow delta]

is your game version 1.4?

[spring willow]

Yessir

[hollow delta]

do you have other mods installed?

[spring willow]

Reshade is applied, but the game started up before with that applied. I believe I had an upscaled FMV pack

[hollow delta]

hmm i'm not sure if reshade is compatible with rtx remix

are you opening the game with the remix .exe?

[spring willow]

No, NFSC.exe

[hollow delta]

you have to open it with the other .exe the mod provides

[spring willow]

Ah I didn't extract that, lemme do that now

I extracted the nfsc_remix folder

[hollow delta]

the remix mod that you download in ModDB, you have to extract all the files in the main game folder

wait

i think after the compat mod, it's different now

[spring willow]

Yeah I only extracted this folder here as per the instructions. Just extracted the exe to the base folder and clicked to see if that worked, got the same issue

[hollow delta]

@next sundial can you help us out here, i think install instructions got a bit confused after the compat mod

[spring willow]

Once I start up the game, I see the debug console doing its thing, then I hear what sounds like the Windows 10 error sound for a split second and it gets cut off

[hollow delta]

hmmm, try this

remove all files from both the moddb mod and compat mod

then, paste all the compat mod files in the main game folder

then, open the .rar for the remix mod from moddb, then paste the nfsc_remix folder inside rtx-remix/mods folder, inside the rtx-remix/molds folder of the game, and also nfsc remix.exe in the main game folder

then open the nfsc remix.exe with admin privigiles

[spring willow]

Adjusted all the files, will launch the game now

[hollow delta]

hope it works

[spring willow]

There were 10 files I had to replace, but they were DLLs and stuff; I deleted the files and folders shown in the rar for the compat mod

Not responding bruhhh

[hollow delta]

maybe it takes some time to compile

click in the main game window and wait a bit

[spring willow]

Sure thing

[hollow delta]

which gpu are you using?

[spring willow]

RX6650XT

It's still on the same screen and the debug console hasn't moved

[hollow delta]

Game probably will run real bad on this GPU, but i don't think there's anything that will prevent u from lauching it

[mellow rain]

You don't need this, the install instructions on Github are clear

[mellow rain]

It won't work on this GPU anyways, RDNA 2 isn't supported by RTX Remix

It might boot but there'd be bad graphical artifacts in addition to poor performance

[hollow delta]

nvm then

[spring willow]

Right haha, good to know

[hollow delta]

yeah poor performance is clear but i didn't know it got artifacts

[next sundial]

Do not use that

[hollow delta]

well it seems i was mistaken then, sorry

[spring willow]

When I launched it earlier and got the unrendered cars, the light streaks and reflections had artifacts, but that was before the remix asi was in the folder

Hey thanks for your help guys, appreciate it 🙂

[hollow delta]

it is usually a bit buggy depending on your game, but even if you manage it to work, it would have very poor performance on your gpu, trust me

i have a rtx 5060 ti and running the game on 1440p dlss performance i get between 25-45 fps

i can't even imagine it on this poor rx 6650

[mellow rain]

Have you tried lowering RTX presets in the Alt+X menu

You can get a bunch of performance doing that

I'll do a benchmark later but just going to High could get a sizable jump in FPS

[hollow delta]

only ultra and high work properly here, putting on medium or low and the particle effects lose transparency lol

[jolly drift]

looks better than UG2

[vernal storm]

Did all the steps as recommended, but was not able to run it 🥲(7600X+RX 9070)

Getting this error, so i think this is my pc's issue

[wise flare]

I had the same issue. For some reason the files would not properly extract i think.

I fized it by deleting the .trex, FX Plugin/script folder and re extracted the mod. You know its working properly if u get a terminal opening i think

[low heart]

Here is how it looks on my hardly modded copy. Primarily ImpMod and some others visual mods like HQ Vinyls

Performance hit hard on my 2080TI, but I love how it looks

Can’t wait to see other improvements!

[mellow rain]

Here are some benchmarks of the RTX presets I made. You can see CPU limits in the 1% percentile but if you're GPU-limited you could probably be closer to the percentage performance increases

[hollow delta]

nice

[mellow rain]

Idk what exactly custom does but it looks nicer

[hollow delta]

in my specs i have found the best configs = 1440p with DLSS Performance, ray reconstruction on transformer and 2X FG, high settings, between 50 and 75 fps

[mellow rain]

Yeah, high is probably the best middle ground. Medium and low look significantly worse

[hollow delta]

only bad part for me on medium/low is no transparency on particles

it looks like i'm playing nfs unbound lol

[mellow rain]

https://slow.pics/c/i2aHiyKf

Here are some pics to go along with the preset comparisons

FPS numbers are in the image titles

Now I wanna figure out what custom actually does differently

[hollow delta]

only major differences between ultra and low is slight better reflections and global illumination

[hollow delta]

the light poles glow

if you take a look at the > sign and the light things in the building

they glow on custom

[mellow rain]

Yeah but that wouldn't cost that much perf

It's a pretty big fps drop

[hollow delta]

well welcome to ray tracing lol

tbf, it's probably just diminishing returns

if it was a game properly built with ray tracing in mind it would probably have more difference and better performance, but we're doing almost path tracing so it's very taxing on the gpu, specially using DLSS and also FG

at the long term, these old games eventually get reverse engineered, so it's a bit easier to implement some stuff

there's people doing it for nfsu2

but it has stopped for almost a year

[wispy goblet]

why cant i download the rtx compatability mod from your official github wihtout windows defender recignising it as a trojan

bit strange init 👀

so in other words you cant install this mod

wow, what a sick mod! you cant even install the compatibility mod that allows you to even begin installing the mod

[gusty tide]

remix commonly gets detected by windows defender as a trojan but it's a false positive

because it hooks into a game's rendering process

[inner rose]

Just go to protection history and allow that .asi file

[mild stirrup]

Damn. That bmw looks good quality now. Just needs upscaled textures

[vapid vortex]

anime pfp, what do we expect

[low heart]

Hell yeah! It really looks like if I’m playing a legit remaster of Carbon

[spare notch]

2048x HQ Vinyls & HD Reflections Mod applied.

[mild stirrup]

Hm i wonder if theres any mod related to world textures

[spare notch]

In earlier days there was some Texmod based modifications similar to U2 or MW05. This could work maybe also with the Remix too. I don't tried it yet.

[next sundial]

It's better to do that via remix instead of modding the game it self

[low heart]

Why doorlines are invisible though?

[livid smelt]

Enjoy

https://nfsmods.xyz/mod/5165

Also guys
Try W2C mod
It port NFS:World map to Carbon, latest version add canyons to it

https://nfsmods.xyz/mod/3041

[spare notch]

Idk.

[celest wing]

The video was uploaded to a youtube channel where hopelessness used to post updates on his mod's progress

[thorn flax]

Is this for every vehicle?

[unborn brook]

guys i have this problem how can i fix this ?

[spare notch]

From mods description: "The end result gives a massive boost in quality to all vinyls used in the game."

https://nfsmods.xyz/mod/2349

[unborn brook]

now im getting these

[unborn brook]

can someone help me to make nfs carbon rtx ?

[hollow delta]

You need to update to version 1.4

Which version are you running?

[unborn brook]

are u asking nfs carbon version ?

now im deleted the game

downloading again

1.4 version

how i can setup rtx mod correctly

[low heart]

https://youtu.be/7pjiPOmER2I?si=5kRG8H-GyjQzsOVx

[spare notch]

4096x HQ Vinyls & Enabled Vertex Colors Globally & custom Sky Preset

[mellow rain]

Cars look nice but those streets need PBR

[spare notch]

wetness is set at 50%

[unborn brook]

guys whats the best settings for optimized fps ?

[mellow rain]

First setting DLSS to Performance and then tweaking the RTX presets in the Alt+X menu

Set it to high if your PC can handle it

[unborn brook]

my graphic card is rtx 3060 ti

and i have i7 12th gen

[unborn brook]

i did it i set dlss to performence but my game is like 30-50 fps

i need best optimized settings and need looks great.

@mellow rain

can u help me ?

[hollow delta]

That's the right amount of fps man

Patch tracing is very taxing

And older rtx 3000s aren't that good with it

[thorn flax]

I have a 5070 ti and even with that

Its demanding

I use dlss balanced

[night sierra]

Can those ugly floating smoke/fog sprites be removed

that constantly spawn on the roads

[ashen sky]

Just ignore texture, unless they are used elsewhere as well

[next sundial]

iirc carbon used 1 texture for almost all effects so hiding that would hide all 😂

[ashen sky]

oh

[lost basalt]

Thats a funny one

Idk why I have notifications on him

I’m not even subbed on him

[mellow rain]

Sorry Danil

I credited him first in my video description

[mellow rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSyXLhnwHA4 Nice vid

The comparisons at 2:42 are really sick

Although I think the detail level isn't set to max for the raster side

[next sundial]

remember

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pjiPOmER2I

[mellow rain]

Ok, didn't see that

[next sundial]

rain - remix particle system created and controlled via the remix api

game only controls the amount of particles currently. I offset the spawner in the direction of the camera based on speed so that spawned particles still reach the camera when they are on camera height

[vivid musk]

You could spawn a large invisible mesh on top of the car

[next sundial]

mhh why?

[vivid musk]

As a particle emitter

[next sundial]

Why would I when I can do that via the api tho (did what you suggested for IV tho)

[vivid musk]

What did I suggest?

I forgor

[next sundial]

what 😂
Spawning a mesh above the player is what I did in IV

this here does essentially the same but via the api which lets me control the particle system dynamically

[vivid musk]

ah alright

so essentially the same

[ashen sky]

Rain speed looks a little off but good work

Might be handy if some of the new parameters from Runestorm's suggested particle system improvements are accessible through the API

[next sundial]

with more velocity - already using the new system but only for death on impact

[ashen sky]

This might be my preference but I always liked the intense rain effect of HP2010. It might look nice with carbon but idk if it can be 1:1 replicated

https://youtu.be/M5cT3lb7nc0?si=4ajUXZI5dKXY6qoQ

[mellow rain]

Is there something that makes the raindrops appear more opaque/ brighter at the top?

[next sundial]

I dont think so, could make them more transparent on spawn and less near ground

[vivid musk]

https://tenor.com/view/need-for-speed-need-for-speed-underground-nfs-underground-gif-11588702228577119062

2

oh wait

I thought it said hop on undergroud

[next sundial]

cant get rain particles to look my way without setting the emitter at an angle .. I guess I'll make it rotate depending on the camera speed

[ashen sky]

The rain drops are shooting off in different directions depending on the speed, currently it's all aligned

Instead it should be pointing towards the camera somehow

[next sundial]

animated particles (only to keyframes)

[ashen sky]

Could some rain streaks be made longer? afaik this looks uniform to me, unless it's not.

[next sundial]

Yea but its hard to strike a balance that looks good in motion and when steady .. denoiser also eats a lot if standing still

[ashen sky]

Ahh

Maybe if it looks good in motion, it'll pass

[next sundial]

emissive particle cloud 😄

[ashen sky]

Yep that's it

I guess you can't really control the direction of each individual rain drop to not be in a single straight path

One key adjustment would be to have it slightly random in direction, but only slightly at high speeds

[next sundial]

I can set a random start degree offset

[mild stirrup]

wtff game looks crazy

[ashen sky]

Honestly nailed it

[mild stirrup]

you tinkered with the textures?

the road looks different

[ashen sky]

So it starts off uniform when you're still, then gradually becomes a little random in direction at higher speeds, plus larger streak size/length

[mellow rain]

Damn it's really coming together

[next sundial]

No longer using someone else’s mod. Everything you see if from @knotty belfry and me

[gritty zealot]

Project looks amazing so far

[low heart]

Tail lights on fixed?

[next sundial]

for some cars, yea. Will take some time to do that for all cars tho

[low heart]

Damn, so beautiful!

[next sundial]

Pretty pleased with the result. Don't want to overdo it. Thoughts?

[gusty tide]

not sure if it was already brought up, but the rain looks a little too thick?

[next sundial]

the denoiser eats all of it if I make it too thin

[lost basalt]

Shame on discord, can only hear the audio but the video js not playing💔

[ashen sky]

It's so laggy

[gusty tide]

what's the video encoded as? av1? it plays fine for me on my end

[ashen sky]

I think the result here looked fine..not sure about the latest revision

[next sundial]

av1 yea

[lost basalt]

I’m on iPad, guess it’s because of this, on pc video playing is always good

[next sundial]

better?

[ashen sky]

Do rain streaks have any emissive properties set by any chance?

[next sundial]

yea very slightly

[inner rose]

still looks like snow, make it thinner, DLSS4.5 will be compatible with RR eventually anyway

[ashen sky]

How do I describe it but not be picky about how it looks 😅

It's kind of off putting to me. Doesn't feel natural with emissives. Have you tried setting them as translucent if remix allows?

[gusty tide]

still a little too thick to me, unfortunate that the denoiser ruins the potential for thin particles 😭

[lost basalt]

It’s working now , did you change something?

Looks like a snow a bit yeah

[next sundial]

changed to h265

[lost basalt]

Ah nice

[next sundial]

no emissives and slightly thinner and longer trail

kills them when standing still tho

[lost basalt]

What if make rain translucent?

[next sundial]

there is no alpha / mask / cutout logic so it would render rectangles

[lost basalt]

Maybe make a geometry for rain?

Very simple one

If it’s won’t effect performance

[mild stirrup]

Damn its very good the only thing im displeased with is the fire coming from the exhaust

Its very lame

Going thru the smoke is so cool

[inner rose]

making it longer looks off, previous length was ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYIWDEPzQqg

if u look at og game it had quite shotrt rain drops

[next sundial]

they are pretty long if you ask me

mine are already shorter but denoiser is producing more trails then there really are

[mild stirrup]

The screen puddles effect/overlay is cool if you can imitate it