Grand Theft Auto IV (GTA 4)

[barren thorn]

[barren thorn]

test of hipoly grass ;D

niko hides in grass X)

[smoky flame]

Great idea but not sure if I have the time for that 👀 I’ll keep that in the back of my mind 👍

I can not really recommend anything because it takes some general knowledge in a lot of fields

[barren thorn]

The glossy varnish effect is intentional

I wanted to capture that aged, slightly polished look of old wooden floors that still reflect some light after years of use.

[dull thunder]

Nice texture! Who made this

Oh nvm it's from you

[barren thorn]

anyways i wonder why after Gta5 definitive edition nobody tried to run Liberty city map mod

it could look interesting

[versed patrol]

both gtav versions works differently in a way that mods for legacy can't work by default on the enhanced version

[frosty wren]

bcz they re better

[storm peak]

yeah, basically the issue there is that legacy and enhanced are using different kinds of texture files, so each file would have to be converted using codewalker

[storm peak]

obviously

[plush dome]

[scarlet pecan]

Guys... we don't need GTA V anymore. We have got this amazing REMIX mod. Forget about GTA V... it is outdated.

[narrow cloak]

Nuh uh.

[storm peak]

me want gta v remix nau

[lone garden]

or just play gta 5 enhanced

[narrow cloak]

Remix enjoyers hate this one simple trick.

[lone garden]

i fear no man
but that thing

its scares me

[wise osprey]

That’s not what I meant to say at all tbh. The empathy part is a problem in general, but I don’t want to say he doesn’t have any. Just related to that he doesn’t really seem to care much, but that’s his good right of course. Still kinda sad and annoying in my opinion that things can‘t just work on all major patches for once. It‘s always like that. A great mod comes out and it‘s only compatible with a single patch. The statement is also always the same more or less: „I don’t care for other patches“. As someone who‘s modding this game half of his life I would just love to see a different approach for once. Someone who would actually release something big without restrictions you know? I‘m on CE, I will be able to use it just fine, but I understand the complexity of this game and it‘s mods enough to realize that patch 8 is important too. I don’t even ask for all patches or something. Just a single one. Basically support for 2 patches in total, which doesn’t really sound like a ton of work for someone who knows what to do.

[next estuary]

Well then do it, pretty sure xor's work is/will be open source

[smoky flame]

I totally get your point but you gotta realize that not everyone is so deeply invested in a game you like and spent so much time on. It is/was the same for me with CoD4. I put a f'ton of time into that game but almost nobody contributed. Still, if it wasn't for that game, this project here and others would have never seen the light of day.

I do enjoy GTAIV but I'm in no way enthusiastic about it. I have not felt nor heard much need for supporting older versions besides some other mods that only work with X/Y (again, I'm not involved with any gta community or it's modding scene nor do I know the history or specific mods). All I know is that R* seems to not like any of that downgrade stuff since most of these ship with some kind of medicine which is another reason I don't really won't to get involved with that kind of stuff

[versed patrol]

all the mods for previous versions are enb anyway so who cares

and remix will allow us to mod most aspects of the game (or as much as xoxor can fix i guess)

[chilly socket]

using the original textures

[earnest kernel]

Love the emissives on this bike (Boosted them a bit to make them more obvious)

[wise osprey]

Sounds fair and reasonable. At the end it's not the end of the world of course. It would be just a sweet little bonus, but I can understand your reasons. Everything I've written is just my own opinion about IV modding in general, but it's certainly fine if you or other people see it differently. Everyone has different interests and priorities, which is only fair.

[wise osprey]

Okay, let me quickly learn how to reverse engineer games, how to read code and especially how to write code Obviously I would just do it myself, if I would be able to, but that's nothing you "just do". You'll need years of experience to be able to do such complex stuff. I'm a (wannabe) 3D artist, not a coder, so that's not my direction anyways.

[runic heart]

"All the mods"? This may be true only for patch 4 of the game, which doesnt even support the TLAD and TBOGT dlcs. Mods related to graphics are not the only mods ever made for this game but I cba to elaborate further given the energy of "so who cares". All I can say is that you're grossly misinformed.

[versed patrol]

chill out you're not him, obviously not all the mods but alternatives for latest version exists in a lot of cases and if you play with remix you're looking for a graphically realistic game so yeah, i'm informed enough about what i'm looking for thank you

[next estuary]

You are right, it is a ton of work and time. So why do you expect others to put the effort in when you aren't willing yourself for something that you're apparently really invested in? Do you see how dismissive your words about "just a quick fix" can sound? Imagine if i dismissed your reasons as excuses? I'm also primarily an artist, but i did learn this shit precisely because there was nobody else to do it for me. Doesn't sound quite right, does it?

To echo what xor said: i've also gotten requests for "quick looks/fixes" from people insisting that surely it must be quick and easy for me, and they miss that it's still a lot of mental effort that i'd rather spend on a million other things i wanna do that are just as "quick and easy"

Plus you never actually know whether it is that all that "quick and easy" untill you do it, might stumble upon wildest of surprises complicating things

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise osprey]

when you aren't willing yourself for something that you're apparently really invested in?
again, I'm a 3D artist, not a coder. Not my task at all.

Do you see how dismissive your words about "just a quick fix" can sound?
I never said this would be quick and simple to do. I just said that it shouldn't be that much work to give compatibility to another patch to support the 2 most major patches. Since people thought I meant all patches from 1.0.0.0 until 1.2.0.59, which is of course insane and not what I meant at all. That's all.

Plus you never actually know whether it is that all that "quick and easy" untill you do it, might stumble upon wildest of surprises complicating things
Who tf said this would be quick and easy? I just said that I wish that someone would care, that's it. Stop twisting my words.

Imagine if i dismissed your reasons as excuses?
I haven't done that. That might be your point of view, but that's your issue then, not mine.

I'm also primarily an artist, but i did learn this shit precisely because there was nobody else to do it for me. Doesn't sound quite right, does it?
Yeah you're stupid and aggressive for no reason. What do you even want to say with this? Who are you even? The moral police who's telling me what I'm allowed to say and what not?

Also, I never asked you for your opinion. That was a conversation between me and xorxor, but of course people join in to add their stupid opinions that I haven't asked for at all. Don't even make yourself the effort to answer, I've blocked you.

[next estuary]

Aight, i tried

[narrow cloak]

Can y'all send like more screenshots or something

[versed patrol]

so bro talks in a public server but don't want anyone to talk to him

btw #1412450145051869316 message you said it should be easy

[limpid path]

you're being incredibly aggressive here and this has escalated for no reason at all

others here have weighed in and given valid reasons for why it's not likely to happen, but you proceed to respond by dismissing their statements and following it up with aggression when it doesn't work

this is your first warning

[wise osprey]

this is your first warning
I just said my opinion over stuff and when people twist my words they don't have to be surprised to get an answer like that. The warning is a bit much tbh, because for what specifically? For saying my own opinion, for defending myself when people twist my words + for explaining the issues that would come by detail? At least I helped Xorxor a little with my experience about IV's visual files by explaining a bit about timecycle stuff. I'm trying to actively help here, while others just bluntly express their useless opinions. I don't mean everyone in here of course.

[limpid path]

for what specifically
nothing specific, just aggression. you've replied to many comments here with aggression and that's not alright, especially when they weren't even provoking you

maybe some of this comes down to language barriers or something. if that's the case then i'd be willing to revoke the warning

no one is really twisting your words though, that's just how you came off tbh

while others just bluntly express their useless opinions. I don't mean everyone in here of course.
even with this you're being quite rude. others are joining in with the same intention

[wise osprey]

I never meant to sound aggressive or something. I'm just a direct person who doesn't speak around things. I'll just not say anything anymore and then I won't be able to upset anyone. I hope that sounds fair.

[limpid path]

feel free to keep talking, just stop and read over what you're sending. try to filter out anything that sounds like it could be offensive

others just bluntly express their useless opinions

of course people join in to add their stupid opinions that I haven't asked for at all. Don't even make yourself the effort to answer, I've blocked you.

and the sarcasm here: #1412450145051869316 message

that's all quite rude, try to avoid that lol

[wise osprey]

I honestly don't see a problem here, but since I'm not capable of understanding it, I'd rather not say anything more, just to be safe. For example, I don't see the sarcasm in the message I sent to Xorxor (The one you just linked in your latest message). In my opinion, that was a completely respectful and acceptable response from my side, but whatever. Seems like a language barrier issue or something. I mean Xorxor is also German like me and he doesn't seem to mind what I wrote. I don't want to argue and make the situation worse. My apologies, if my behavior was wrong.

[wise osprey]

You know what? I think I'll just leave the server. I don't feel welcomed or respected at all. It's obvious that most people in here unfortunately have no clue about IV modding, while having big opinions still and then admins come out of nowhere who have nothing to do with the situation trying to suppress me while people are celebrating it. I see it as an issue and as an insult that my behavior is seen as aggressive, while people make the biggest L takes in here. If I can't be who I'am it's not a place where I want to be. Bye.

[twin mason]

Its on ce too as a seperate modloader folder for fusionfix

Maybe rtx remix compatability can be a third option at boot. Just read the crashout

[limpid path]

i appreciate your knowledge on the topic and we love having experienced modders here, especially for active projects. but aggression like you've displayed isn't welcome. regardless of whether or not you view it as aggressive, that is how it comes off to others here

i hope if you decide to come back it'll be better that time around

[barren thorn]

[narrow cloak]

Uhm.

My screenshots?

[dull thunder]

What happened lmao

[narrow cloak]

Typical GTA modding community

We've had multiple such cases

[versed patrol]

he's just a kid that hate being wrong and got mad when we told him he was

[runic heart]

I think he felt misunderstood, but he has left anyway. Maybe better to keep on topic now and not clutter this thread more with unrelated drama.

[lone garden]

another discord drama

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-minions-popcorn-day-laugh-gif-5026739

[compact cargo]

he felt misunderstood because he failed to realized that he was being arrogant and putting others down

cant blame him tho i used to do the same ngl

[versed patrol]

whatever he left, xoxor plz release

[storm peak]

sooo

back to remix

[agile horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/nariukiyo-dj-khaled-dj-gif-26371939

[bold dome]

WIP chad Niko Bello

[smoky flame]

uhg why is the game rendering some decals as normal_spec_decal without any vertex alpha when a _glue variant with proper alpha is already rendered below? Makes no sense. I can't just ignore all surfs with that shader so not sure how I can detect and prevent that

without glue

[smoky flame]

Oh I guess this is also whats causing the z fighting issues

[barren thorn]

so if og game has z fighting issues then rtx remix translates that ??

[rugged zinc]

How did FusionFix fixed z fighting?

[dull thunder]

https://github.com/Parallellines0451/GTAIV.EFLC.LogDepth

[smoky flame]

In a few rare cases, mabye but thats not the issue here. I'm failing to understand why they use two alpha blended surfaces .. or rather how the top one is blended at all because there is no vertex color/alpha on these surfaces

[outer abyss]

Maybe they used it in some places to create a dithering effect?

[frosty wren]

lmfao he always does that, even on some gta 4 servers, always been soft and replied aggressively when someone didnt agree 😂
the way he changes hes speech when he aint a moderator tho lmfaoo

[earnest kernel]

Tried doing a lil rando comparison

[frosty wren]

nice

[frosty wren]

does the remix work if it rains?

[earnest kernel]

Yes, although it looks a little weird and shiny until you put in PBR textures

Or you could turn the shininess down

But once textures are adjusted it's gonna look sick as hell

[lone garden]

TF IS THIS NOISE

my ears damnit

[earnest kernel]

I think it's both audio tracks layered

Forgot to mute one

[frosty wren]

i wonder when its taking proper shape, if y'all will be able to still keep that IV atmosphere

for all them storylines

[narrow cloak]

oh wowie

Need more

[earnest kernel]

I'm going to try to cook a little something up

Had to figure out how to capture the vanilla version first because it's not playing well with Shadowplay for me

Also trying to figure out why the capture function randomly makes only short captures sometimes

[versed patrol]

shadowplay can stop recordings when alt tabbing cuz its terribly made, just use obs honestly

[earnest kernel]

The issue is that Shadowplay recordings are low fps for some reason

I've just used OBS instead

[rugged zinc]

such a huge difference. it did lost original atmosphere but things could be tweaked to bring back bluish/green tint a bit. but outside of that huge upgrade visually

[wicked hedge]

it lost no original atmosphere.

the way og gta 4 looks like it does is because of technical limitation at the time

[zenith hill]

you will be boiled

[earnest kernel]

Yeah, people can mod in a blue tint across the scene but I personally prefer more realistic lighting

That's what this mod is for

[lone garden]

technical limitation in what lmao

guys we cant uhh do something lets give game blue and green tint

sam houser©

[narrow cloak]

Incorrect. The original colors are missing

[plush dome]

I think I read Xorxor saying bloom isn't achievable yet in Remix otherwise it might be a slight error in timecyc translation because unlike what was said keeping the atmosphere intact is part of this project.

ak47 fancy seeing you here my dear, been a while

[smoky flame]

bloom is possible

[narrow cloak]

buhlue

🟦

[plush dome]

what is the lack of color is attributed to, absence of lower sky horizon color?

[smoky flame]

cant say. I'd need the exact time and weather states to compare it on my side

[earnest kernel]

This should be the clip. Idk if you can just put it in your clips folder and it'll work

Documents\Rockstar Games\GTA IV\Videos\Clips

[dull thunder]

@earnest kernel i think a direct comparison is possible if you use the benchmark demo

[lone garden]

ehhm

its the same, no?

clip is a clip

[dull thunder]

It would be a more controlled test in terms of getting exact frame accurate footage

[limpid path]

not surprising tbh

[bold dome]

WIP Chad boots 🙏

[tacit warren]

Does something like this take long to do? I kinda want to see if I can invest into something like this

[chilly socket]

Though 1 feedback add some shittyness to it

Cause its a little too clean?

Like this is me I feel the low res textures for the atmosphere that 4 was going for

Sice liberty city is supposed to look like shit

[lone garden]

there's no atmosphere in gta 4

its technical limitations

[chilly socket]

No there is

[bold dome]

ha

[bold dome]

YEah, good idea

[bold dome]

My guy

I use IA

[runic heart]

Just enable desktop recording or make use of instant replay. I think that works too.

[bold dome]

Takes about 1 minute to do

But i always use photoshop to do some little details

[lone garden]

why im not surprised

lol

[earnest kernel]

Ngl the original texture kinda looks AI like

Like whats going on here

[lone garden]

ai in 2006

[earnest kernel]

AI Slop before AI

[dull thunder]

I thought this was AI lmfao

[chilly socket]

Shitty upscaling

2000s upscaling my favorite

[bold hedge]

This is the original but upscaled

[bold dome]

Yess

[earnest kernel]

Oh

[bold dome]

The original is 256 resolution

But if i use this

The IA cant do a good job

[earnest kernel]

I see

[bold dome]

So i upscale using just the basic

[lone garden]

IA

[bold dome]

so she can understand that it is a shoe

[lone garden]

she

💔

[chilly socket]

Iowa

[bold dome]

Then I use a generative to make the big details

[chilly socket]

Man Iowa is doing a shitty job upscaling textures

[bold dome]

Sorry i m use some google translations

[dull thunder]

What model were you using to upscale, could try something like PBRFusion to see if it could yield a little better result that whatever this is

[bold dome]

I use Gigapixel

This is using generative Upscale

as you can see, there are some artifacts

[lone garden]

daaamn

[bold dome]

Then I use the original model to adjust these bounds and errors

[lone garden]

i want buy these

DILLLACDI

[bold dome]

And then, looks almost perfect

Im not a professional, so i use IA and some manual work

[lone garden]

intelligence artificial

[dull thunder]

I see that the AI baked in lighting in the texture. It looks shadowed. Making a PBR map from AI would be difficult

[lone garden]

i think better just

redraw

idk

just like i did with a box

[bold dome]

Yeah, i do this too

In photoshop i can adjust this little things

[limpid path]

it also misunderstood what the sole of the shoe is

[bold dome]

Yes

But then i use this

[limpid path]

AI, not IA 😆

[bold dome]

This model has less generative details

[runic heart]

Intelligence de artificial

[earnest kernel]

intelligence artificielle

[bold dome]

Ha

Its because i m Brazilian

Sorry

So i use this shoe

[dull thunder]

Apple intelligence

[bold dome]

lol

gonna back to work

[compact cargo]

if you do plan to go through with this, make sure you remove all shading and specular highlights from albedo map

also this stuff here needs to be completely redone, as whatever ai youre using is treating the image like a physical object rather than a uv unwrapped texture

[idle root]

Is the issue from translating the game's internal HDR rendering? I noticed the emissives and lighting are less exposed from the comparison

[dull thunder]

The sky colour isn't getting 100% accurate results because of the introduced remix fog. I believe it has some absorptive properties that makes it harder to see the sky and or increased emissive objects

[earnest kernel]

Man, GTA 4 Euphoria is still so sick. Like in no other game can you graze a guy with your bullets, have him stumble over slightly while lifting one of his arms to still fire at you, all dynamically

[merry grotto]

rtx remix version is more realistic

[narrow cloak]

Lighting is, yes, but the colors are incorrect

[earnest kernel]

Wish I could record longer clips

[worn fox]

@smoky flame is there a way to detect muzzleflashes to spawn pointlights when firing?

[smoky flame]

probably but I don't have any code in my code base to do that

[earnest kernel]

Muzzle flash lights already spawn it's just that the transformer model doesn't handle them very well

This is CNN -> Transformer -> RR off

I guess transformer might be able to handle it a bit better if they were on screen ever so slightly longer

[narrow cloak]

that aim

[livid valley]

ears shattered

[twin mason]

those areas can be spliced with original if the rest is good

[twin mason]

you can use this website to compress longer videos to 99mb

[limpid path]

alternatively staxrip with a template locally. you'll get much higher quality results that way

i'm gonna update my pack for it soon and post it in #1095534398134300682

[tacit warren]

How do you do this? I kinda want to try this on rainbow six 3

[foggy anvil]

8mb.video is better

Also faster

[wicked hedge]

anyone tested this project on the newly released 5080, how does it run?

sorry i mean new generation .

[earnest kernel]

Thanks but I meant the in-game capture function. It should capture 30 seconds but sometimes clips end up around 15s

Research says it has something to do with the frame rate, might have to try to record the clip at 30fps

apparently it only captures a certain amount of in-game frames

[earnest kernel]

You mean the comparison? I just make a project in Davinci Resolve with half the vertical height, then scale the videos down to half size and position them half the horizontal pixel count to each side

Don't forget to mute one of the audio tracks

i may or may not have done that on my comparisons

[tacit warren]

Ty!

[wicked hedge]

hi, cool video @earnest kernel , what does native 1080p Performance look like?

[runic heart]

Why not just use handbrake, much more privacy oriented compared to giving data away to god know who. Also this assumes your upload speed is okay (if you have large video size) while handbrake is all locally ran.

[earnest kernel]

Yeah I use Handbrake or in this case just use the Davinci Resolve presets

[earnest kernel]

I'm pretty much all CPU limited so going down to 1080p doesn't do a lot

[wicked hedge]

wow brutal

im not sure if my 4070 will handle this though

[frosty wren]

is it copyright breach to have the rtx remix under patreon?

[versed patrol]

remix isn't, it's the compatibility mod for it to work on gta 4 that is behind patreon

and xoxor has done so much for remix that honestly he deserves some money

[frosty wren]

when its properly taken shape and is pretty much finished it will be free?

[versed patrol]

yeah he said it, when the mod is done and working it'll be released for free

[frosty wren]

nice

[versed patrol]

and honestly it's better like that cuz letting everyone use an unfinished project is not a good idea

[frosty wren]

eh, not that its not a good idea but its an additional hassle to handle everything but yes looks pretty good

i wonder if it will work with fusionfix in the future

[versed patrol]

i think it does

[earnest kernel]

FusionFix support is planned

It already kinda works

[frosty wren]

is remix capable of remastering or upscaling the textures throughout the game without breaking it too?

[versed patrol]

SURE

[frosty wren]

lmao

[versed patrol]

remix is rendering the game so u can go over the game limit

[frosty wren]

ah nice, i always wondered how this dark magic worked

since these games old af

[versed patrol]

hemry tried a 16k texture on gta san andreas so u can REALLY do what u want

[frosty wren]

yeah, 2k or 4k tex i guess its enough

[versed patrol]

yh most props can be at 1k, walls and roads 4k, vegetation 2k

or u can full 4k but u'll need a 5090

[frosty wren]

i wonder how remix will handle in the future things such as fusionfix's toggleable story filters (tlad, tbogt) and other stuff like that

[frosty wren]

true, better to optimize

[frosty wren]

oh and depth of field

the motion blur n allat

[earnest kernel]

GTA 4 with FusionFix and RTX

[versed patrol]

xoxor is just doing some magic to make it work

[frosty wren]

yeah but do the options properly work?

like dof

[earnest kernel]

No

The renderer is replaced with RTX Remix so anything will have to be implemented there

Maybe some features work idk

[frosty wren]

i guess some will have to be reworked right

to imitate it right in that tech

[dull thunder]

Ray traced DOF would be 🔥

[narrow cloak]

Raytrace dof would be

https://tenor.com/view/static-glitch-gif-11312357

[earnest kernel]

Seems like FusionFix makes it so that in-game clips can be longer

Comparisons back on the table

Was getting pissed at finding good spots only for the clip to be randomly short

[dull thunder]

Like taming a beast

[limpid path]

staxrip > handbrake

gonna release my pack tomorrow

you just select the template, drag a video in, and encode

[runic heart]

I like handbrake because I can crop the video in, change the video length based on time or frames, add filters and use nvenc encoder in a simple UI. Been using it for more than a decade at this point and while it’s pretty simple looking oldschool software, it serves my purpose well. For simple cropping, shortening or reducing filesizes fast handbrake has never let me down. Never needed a template. I could try your pack but I doubt it will make me switch as handbrake at this point is muscle memory. 😄

[limpid path]

staxrip can do that and a lot more, but if you're used to handbrake then yeah just keep using it

the goal of my pack is just to make a simple drag & drop -> process setup for people to use

[plush dome]

I replaced one of the channels with Godfather 1, managed to watch part of it but only issue was pausing isn't an option lol

[lone garden]

can someone recreate first gta 4 trailer with remix?

[smoky flame]

I thought it might be a good idea to post some changelogs of the Compatibility Mod for people that are interested in what's happening behind the scenes 🙌

0.8.3 - Changelog

Remix Runtime Related

• Very latest remix runtime with new layer system -> Saving remix settings now saves them to a new file called user.conf. I suggest that you turn on the option to only save changed values.
• The Terrain Textures category is now used to enable vertex colors and mainly used for terrain blending
• Added an option to capture lights created by the RemixApi (wip - this might crash your game)
• Added a new texture category called Disable Backface Culling to disable culling on problematic meshes (showing black squares, eg. armchair in first appartement)

Compatibility Mod

• Fixed half-black sky reflection
• Increased remix' tonemapper max stops to 10 to prevent clipping of bright lights
• Improved looks of vehicle light textures by rendering them without emissive properties, then re-rendering the emissive parts on-top (also disabled the vehicle light proxy texture)
• Fixed some blood decals with repeating the textures by setting the sampler mode to Clamp via a remix replacement
• Decals / terrain should be blended properly now
• Fixed an issue where everything turned black because transmittanceMeasurementDistanceMeters was set to negative values
• Added a game option to only upload colormaps to the GPU (ignoring spec/normal) which should reduce the game's vram footprint + declutter the remix UI (enabled by default)
• Added a very large plane under the map to fix water appearance (map marker #1000 with flat plane attached as a remix replacement)
• Added _LaunchWithProcessorAffinity.bat that can be used to split CPU core affinity between the game and the remix bridge to aid with the stuttering issues some people have
• Decreased radius scalar of Game to RemixLight translation code to fix lights clipping into things (+ slightly increased intensity)
• Decreased influence of the colortemp timecycle parameter which was making the game a little too saturated sometimes
• Found a better way to detect the very first HUD element so that remix injects probably. This fixes the missing radar background + broken sniper scope overlay

0.8.2 - Changelog

• rebased the remix runtime to latest (saving settings now writes to user.conf and no longer to rtx.conf)
• fixed dark phone UI
• hopefully fixed imgui input and also fixed the unclipped mouse on the steam version when running in windowed mode
• comp. mod now automatically tags decal textures
• disabled a bunch of rendering phases of the game that are not useful for remix (did slightly increase perf. in some cases - eg. when the game would render mirrors)
• translated lights are now tracked and updated (if possible) so that they keep their history (better denoising)
• added an option to ignore filler lights (disabled by default)
• added an option to the dev tab to not pause the game when focus is lost

0.8.1 - Changelog

• fixed an issue with light hash calculation that could make the hash change after certain events
• fixed mirror rendering (assigned a proxy texture so that they are easily remixable) + updated the remix-mod which now adds a proper override for the mirrors to make them reflective
• fixed some minor issues with imgui mouse - does not fix issues on the steam version
• now using the proper timecycle settings

[upper shale]

oh man, this looks insane

when and where do I get it ?

[lone garden]

wait release or

patreon

become a patreotic? ehh

how it should be named

🥀

[upper shale]

didn't even know that was a thing

and yes, I would do it, but only if it works with fusion fix

[smoky flame]

Thanks Kim

[limpid path]

https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1432461929401815151

[smoky flame]

400+ path traced lights

[earnest kernel]

RTXDI stress test

[livid valley]

does the RTXDI desnoising fall apart for you? some gmod maps have 2000+ lights and i notice extreme light boiling until i crank up some of the settings

[smoky flame]

Mhh don't remember having any issues with that. Do you have a vid on hand of what you mean?

[livid valley]

yeah one sec

[smoky flame]

Also wanted to ask, were your api light commits required for x64? Or was there another reason

[earnest kernel]

I haven't seen boiling, just when emissives and direct lights and a distant light and stuff all mix it can look a bit noisy

[livid valley]

to fix command submission crashes yes, i still have no idea why it was so unstable with the traditional api calls

[smoky flame]

Gotcha so from what I quickly glimpsed over, you created an api callback where you are then adding all your lights?

[livid valley]

#1116089843479498782 message

[livid valley]

yeah, basically im letting remix handle the lifetime/drawing of the lights

its far more reliable than hooking into the game since i can control creation/destruction/updates via lua bindings, no engine hooks

[earnest kernel]

Also now that you're both in here, HDR in GTA 4 Remix when?

[livid valley]

when i finish working on my rasterization layer #1116089843479498782 message

[smoky flame]

I've seen some boiling on some lights when I was recreating them every frame .. it kinda fixed itself after only updating lights on changes.
Matching lights created another issue with my capturing of remix api lights tho

[livid valley]

i did the same thing, it helped a lot of my initial issues

[smoky flame]

does not happen when I re-create all of them every frame

[livid valley]

i need to see if this happens to me, api lights arent captured in my runtime yet

[smoky flame]

https://github.com/xoxor4d/dxvk-remix/commit/d2b9bf5b5cbe3a4c1b05f1bb4cd5af6d73e3e69e

[livid valley]

mind if i cherry-pick this?

[smoky flame]

Please do but be aware that this sometimes crashes my runtime for yet unkown reasons

[livid valley]

ill keep an eye out

[smoky flame]

disabled RR so its more visible .. that setting was disabled by default?

[livid valley]

yep

[smoky flame]

Uhm doesn't remix use the hash I provide with remixapi_LightInfo? It seems like it calculates its own hash based on position data? So even when I keep the hash constant on my end, it creates a new light instance every time the light moves which would explain it capturing so many

[smoky flame]

@livid valley this might be interesting to you as well - remix api light hashes are always recalculated and the one you provide with lightinfo isn't even used?
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/6988992b3aab6dea98b17e0e373159d71e0017cd/src/dxvk/rtx_render/rtx_remix_api.cpp#L522

return RtSphereLight::tryCreate(
  tovec3(src->position),
  tovec3(info.radiance),
  src->radius,
  *shaping,
  src->volumetricRadianceScale,
  info.hash // <- use hash from remixapi_LightInfo
);

Now it uses the hash I provide via the api

[smoky flame]

Turns out that this did not help a bit. I actually forgot to remove old api lights (I did remove them from my tracked list without deleting the api light) 😂

[livid valley]

the lua bindings on my end create, update, and destroy the lights using the same hash id, so im wondering if the hash info in the debug visualization is not related?

[livid valley]

oops missed this message, this matches whats going on in my video

im pretty sure its keeping track of the same hash since its tracking the last frame since it was modified though

[smoky flame]

yea still weird that they display a different hash .. not that it matters much

[livid valley]

YAY

[haughty aspen]

Then xoxor said, let there be light HYPERS

[smoky flame]

Oh damn that’s

[bold dome]

WOw higher resolution than real life

[wicked hedge]

can we add this into comp?

[dull thunder]

That's for the remix mod that will work with the comp, it's gonna have custom assets and textures made

[blissful rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGxPdcMQfwg

[gusty violet]

xoxor just can't stop winning

[plush dome]

[livid depot]

Great work!!!

[coral summit]

When this project finishes it will be legendary

[echo marsh]

Take 2 would take it down

[versed patrol]

why?

[narrow cloak]

Not again

[smoky flame]

I’d buy a golden picture frame for that cease and desist but I don’t think that will happen

[gleaming spear]

A bit late to the party, but if you don't mind me asking, what generative upscaling method did you use on top of the gigapixel upscales?

[bold dome]

Its probably been mentioned but im curious, does it work with fusion fix?

[earnest kernel]

It semi-works now, xoxor is working on improving support for public release

[bold dome]

Ah great ok, great work also guys its incredible what you've done so far.

This + FusionFix will be insane

[earnest kernel]

It's all @smoky flame the RTX whisperer 🧙

[bold dome]

Honestly never thought i'd see a playable version of IV on pc let alone one that looks incredible aswell

[coral summit]

I hope not

[earnest kernel]

Did some vegetation testing. Just to see the performance hit. (I have no experience in anything blender or whatever, just stole HL2 RTX grass and used E-Man's scatter tool)

[earnest kernel]

Perf hit at a distance is pretty much zero. You can definitely do a lot with vegetation and RTX Remix in this game

[narrow cloak]

Well

Yeah

[limpid path]

as long as they aren't alphas, impact should be minimal

looks amazing though

hmmm

[gusty violet]

well it IS a 5090

[wicked hedge]

please add hl2 grass to the comp mod

[smoky flame]

Just make sure to cull markers with distance so that grass disappears when you are further away 😛

[earnest kernel]

I just attatched to the highest LOD version. Seems to work well and can be adjusted by draw distance that way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOlMrckOx60

[smoky flame]

Smart 👀 What did you attach it to?

[earnest kernel]

Just the underlying terrain mesh

[barren thorn]

as simple as that

thats why there is need to do multiple replacements on buildings

[earnest kernel]

If people wanted to be serious about it they could capture the next LOD and then place a little less vegetation on that and so on

[smoky flame]

True! Its really great that hashes are so stable

[earnest kernel]

Yea

What's also good is that so far the grassy areas are fairly large which should make it easy to populate it with grass in one go

[frosty wren]

so can finally increase those goofy low gta 4 lods? 😄

[earnest kernel]

Can mod them for sure

[versed patrol]

u can replace all LODs on remix to show the replacement tho

[earnest kernel]

Just more performance testing I have no idea what I'm doing. The grass file is 2.5gb. Probably need to do it with instances somehow

[versed patrol]

omfg

[earnest kernel]

4GB of VRAM just for grass

But it's the whole island

with the statue of liberty

[versed patrol]

yeah using instancing it shouldn't even have a single difference

[frosty wren]

gta 4 max definitive edition

me with a 2070S can just admire these pics and progress 😂

[versed patrol]

i have a 3080 and i'm pretty sure it's the same

unless u spent 3k recently on a new pc u can't really have a good experience on it rn, idk if anything can done about it tho since it's just too much for the cpu

[frosty wren]

yeah.. and by how much i use the pc, i'd put 3k towards the car budget 😂

watch the 6090 generation end the 50 series production i bet

like they did with 40 series

so dumb

[versed patrol]

it's not dumb if it works

[frosty wren]

from their business side yes

[versed patrol]

honestly i can't wait for fsr redstone, maybe that's what will make nvidia finally shift some people back to gaming from ai

[frosty wren]

i dont know

their AI market is so big now

gaming is so little in their revenue

[versed patrol]

i just hope it's the biggest bubble money ever made

[frosty wren]

i hate nvidia for what they doing but cant be a hypocrite and not admit it, they're the best in the market

the titan

amd should step up their game

they're clowns

honestly

[versed patrol]

i mean

the 9000 were good

no flagship

[frosty wren]

yeah but aint those some workbench type of stuff

i mean the consumer cards

not the specific niche thing

[versed patrol]

9070xt is not specific

it's their gaming cards

[frosty wren]

ah right thought we were talking about nvidia for a sec

lmao

mb

[versed patrol]

nah

9070xt and some overclock and u got a 5080

u don't have mfg but idc cuz it sucks

u don't have dlss but idc cuz fsr4

and drivers were better than nvidia this year

[frosty wren]

not many good games came out anyway to make me wanna upgrade

so...yeah

[versed patrol]

yeah true

[frosty wren]

more power and more fancy tech but in the pursuit of perfection where did that lead us?

i wonder sometimes if we had this tech of today, but back then in the 2000s

[versed patrol]

It would cost far less

[smoky flame]

please move that convo to #offtopic

[versed patrol]

yh mb

[upper shale]

No chance for me to run this on my 3090 ?

[upper shale]

That I can confirm, updated my drivers in July and it literally bricked my pc, had to reinstall w11

[smoky flame]

its running pretty good for what it is on my 3080 at 1080p

[upper shale]

Give more details man 😭

3080 laptop or desktop GPU ?

CPU ?

What is the actual framerate ?

[plush dome]

I always wanted to ask if there's a marginal room for performance improvements

playability seems the biggest factor into people trying it and doing content(/assets) for it

[narrow cloak]

I suppose it can really only be fixed by continued development of remix

It's just not built to handle drawcalls as big and numerous as you get with gta4

I worded that weird

[earnest kernel]

Gmod also had issues on 32-bit right? Did Nvidia ever look at that

[plush dome]

well, it's a base game issue as well and that's the big thing, idk but if there was technically a way to improve the base(fusionfix) or completely disable certain calls maybe by then performance would be close to non remix experience, perhaps better with how shitty iv is

[smoky flame]

3080 desktop - 9800X3D - 64gb ram
Framerate mostly depends on your cpu. I get 30-40 ish outside with pretty high draw distances. Can dip down to 20ish or less when a lot of alpha tested/blended objects are drawing

[smoky flame]

I've already disabled a much of unnecessary functions to save on drawcalls and I'll continue to try and track these down but as Burrito said - the limiting factor is most likely the remix bridge. With that said, it's still unbelievable to me that this works in the first place

[upper shale]

Damn, so what would I get on a 5700x3d ?

Half ?

[smoky flame]

I cant tell you that but I dont think its half

[dull thunder]

9800x3d is already like the peak performer out of any current available CPUs on the market. And I've seen this compatibility mod struggle even on that too

I guess just reduce the view distance, since DF also highlighted you can gain performance through view distance adjustments (I really don't know how this is actually CPU heavy)

[smoky flame]

increasing draw distance increases the drawcall amount

[indigo charm]

is that CPU *or * GPU limited ?

[smoky flame]

its a mix of both and depends on the situation. Getting 70ish fps in interiors - gpu bound. 40ish outside with lots of vehicles - cpu bound

[indigo charm]

ouch

[livid valley]

its one of the primary reasons we migrated to x64

[smoky flame]

Was it really a night and day difference?

[narrow cloak]

Huge perf improvements

Because you bypass the bridge entirely

[livid valley]

on large maps, yes, but others it was a moderate improvement

skipping culling patches and doing custom rendering is what made it night and day for mostly everything

[smoky flame]

Was visibility checking costly and why is your way of rendering so much faster? Are you instancing more or how does that work?

[lone garden]

imagine rewriting gta 4 rendering system from scratch

[livid valley]

it was source render lists getting exhausted with the culling patches iirc, RP maps and other large ones have thousands of static props and the engine just falls apart trying to render them all at once.
Our custom way is using the existing lua imesh abstractions to render world meshes and props, they bypass frustrum and pvs culling. I then re-added PVS culling for static props and that's where we're at today. No proper instancing yet but i do want to do that

there is some overhead doing this all in lua as well lol

but far less than culling patches

[smoky flame]

Ah gotcha! Thanks for explaining that 🙏
Did you disable engine drawing via cvars? How did you manage to get all the required data into lua or is that data already exposed?

[livid valley]

yeah all engine rendering is disabled. There is an addon/library called niknaks that exposes most of the data i needed

https://github.com/Nak2/NikNaks

i could not do anything without it

the only thing we still render with the engine is dynamic entities

[smoky flame]

Wish I could do that with p2 😄

[stark basalt]

Anyone else want to eat a 12 gauge reading the comments in the DF GTA 4 video? I mean, comments in YT are always awful to read but man, it's brutal how dumb people are lol

[lone garden]

deep words

[worn fox]

almost like making a video about an incomplete mod is a bad idea

also someone teach alex to put roughness to 1 instead of 0.5

[plush dome]

fusionfix team were supposed to get a review, and it's this video, they got cut to make more room for Remix

[primal pivot]

not his fault people are stupid

[smoky flame]

I messed up the hair ... 😂

[livid valley]

was it a replacement?

[smoky flame]

Yeah I accidentally shipped it

[frail widget]

https://tenor.com/view/oopsy-daisy-oops-innocent-case-cleared-gif-27001615

[fallow berry]

so how can i install this?

i need to support xoxor4d?

[plush dome]

Project is eventually free, you can donate to get beta access i guess, check Patreon page for more details

[compact cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmkI4lq0dBo&t=929s

talks about xoxor's rtx implementation 15 and a half minutes into the video

[barren thorn]

🫣

[winter orchid]

would volumetric clouds be possible with rtx remix?

[barren thorn]

some programmer or modder could bring those with ease

[winter orchid]

i hope someone adds it 🙏

[winged matrix]

@gleaming spear

[dull thunder]

volumetric clouds in remix is a big task, mainly because of path tracing.

[gleaming spear]

I'm working on that, but it'll be reshade based

[hidden monolith]

Would the recent particle system that was added to Remix not too long ago theoretically be able to assist with this in any way?

[dull thunder]

That is an interesting approach. But I have no idea honestly

🤷‍♂️ maybe someone would be up for experimentation

[serene gyro]

is this an improvement? im very new to this

[smoky flame]

Hey congrats to your first replacements! The brick wall to the right looks a little repetitive as you can see it tiling

[serene gyro]

yeah but its one texture so idk what to do about that tbh

[lone garden]

and not that dirty like in game

[serene gyro]

dont know how to do that realistically either haha

ideally I'd just upscale the original texture but i havent found a good upscaler for that yet

[lone garden]

i think upscaling 512x512 texture is not a good idea

[serene gyro]

yeah, and I think the textures used are real photographs, so its hard to 'recreate' them digitally, and i have no real experience texturing haha

[earnest kernel]

The graffiti will probably look bad upscaled

[lone garden]

imagine if someone will do what guys from resident evil 4 hd project did

go to real places where's developers been

[earnest kernel]

I had the same issue in Manhunt and just left it AI upscaled for the most part with the worst results retouched. Replacing photo textures with sterile digitally created textures got rid of all the grittiness

[serene gyro]

what upscaler did you use?

and I guess you generated pbr?

[earnest kernel]

PBRFusion

https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1345238171549700116

It generates PBR + depth maps and is fairly faithful to the original texture. Just don't inspect too closely

[serene gyro]

does it also upscale?

[earnest kernel]

Helps that Manhunt is a dark game lol

yes 4x if I remember

[lone garden]

🥀

[serene gyro]

i have to look into how i set it up

[dull thunder]

You can see in the original screenshot you posted that the artist did a seamless transition between the graffiti and the brick wall material, texture tiling is still there but has been masked by colour burning multiple layers of noise in it. It's a clever trick and it works for most repetitive materials

[earnest kernel]

It's fairly simple, it supports upscaling via API so you can just select what you want to upscale and then hit go in ComfyUI

Just make sure do adjust the depth map intensity

[serene gyro]

well i mean i have to set it up at all, its not that clear, but ill figure it out

[dull thunder]

Some textures would require attention even if you're doing AI PBR, having some control over the generative or upscaled material always looks better. Like for example defining what part of that texture needs to be rough/reflective using some texture editing tool would pop out more than just batch processing textures

[lone garden]

but uh, graffiti is infinity bcz its backed in texture💔

[dull thunder]

You can always blend in that afterwards using the right tools. Depends on the artists time and dedication into detailing it

I have another good idea that I think could alleviate a lot of these Graffiti issues by using custom replacement decals added in through the toolkit.
By using a plane mesh aligned vertically against the wall, you can add your own graffiti textures on it that are alpha transparent around the edges. Then mark it as a decal using the runtime texture tag options

[plush dome]

looks worse tbh, lost way too much detail than it gained

[serene gyro]

this looks alright, but not amazing

[dull thunder]

Upscaled with PBRFusion?

[serene gyro]

no i just removed my new texture so its the old texture on top of the new normal and height map, tbh doesnt look too bad

[dull thunder]

Yeah, still looks good though because of the PBR nature of it

[serene gyro]

yeah exactly

[narrow cloak]

Not bad but not dirty enough

[serene gyro]

this one is better

[narrow cloak]

Yeah I like that a lot

Are the decals overlayed?

[serene gyro]

its just the original texture

[serene gyro]

but with the normal map and height map of this one

[dull thunder]

It looks as if the PBR makes the brickwall feel linear with all its bricks in the same level, whereas the original had some damage and concrete chipping away, some surfaces where the graffitis are smooth

[plush dome]

true, repetitive as well

some bricks are longer, some are chipped, some are more popping others are smudged, just more variation in general

[serene gyro]

updated all textures in view

[dull thunder]

Looks like a render tbh

👍

[narrow cloak]

P good

[dull thunder]

@serene gyro try to make windows in the buildings reflective as well

[serene gyro]

thats making the roughness black right?

[dull thunder]

Yep

Are these PBR texture sets 2k or 4k?

[serene gyro]

2k

makes a big difference yeah

[dull thunder]

Awesome!

Just don't stare too much into the windows

[bold dome]

hellou

[bold dome]

You can use generative upscale

[serene gyro]

yeah but it doesnt work very well with very low res textures

but pbrfusion works fine enough

[twin mason]

Dark n gritty

[compact cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/satoru-gojo-griddy-satoru-gojo-gif-17734091509880850395

[dull thunder]

Amazing, is this an AI generated PBR texture?

[bold dome]

The rocks is from a site, only the jacket is AI

😳

This is AI

[lone garden]

disgusting

[barren thorn]

neat

[upper shale]

dont forget the same effect applies on the windshield

[smoky flame]

That wont be possible. Decals + translucent materials are not working together very well

[upper shale]

is that a gta 4 thing or remix's fault ?

[brave silo]

awh, bummer

[smoky flame]

remix

[livid valley]

transmission texture?

i've done it before on gmod

#showcase message

#1224827959974821939 message

[smoky flame]

Mhh transmission is busted in gta 4 for some reason and I don’t really like the look

Sss is broken and water transmission as well

[upper shale]

well yeah, gotta count that rtx remix is been kinda hacked to work on top of it too

but I've noticed this interesting thing

so, since a lot of people are cpu bound in gta 4 rtx, can you tell the remix app to not do the bvh calculation on the same threads the game runs on ?

or did I just say the most stupid thing ever 😅

at least in mind (I used to code simple shaders for unity) I think its duable

[plush dome]

Awesome work

[wicked fossil]

I agree Aupx

[serene wave]

Hey guys, Ash here from the Fusion Fix devs, who's doing the texture stuff for this project?

[lone garden]

everyone who wants

[foggy anvil]

How's it look in vice city next gen?

[wicked hedge]

Gta trilogy is halted i think because they have massive memory leak issue

[narrow cloak]

brother, you gotta implement clearcoat in remix because nvidia won't do it

[smoky flame]

I think that goes beyond simple shader modifications but I may look into that

[narrow cloak]

Been begging nvidia for a while now lol

[smoky flame]

isnt there already thin film or whatever its name is?

[narrow cloak]

No, that's thin film light interference. Very different.

Thin film just changes the color of the reflected light

Clearcoat is a relatively thick coating on top

[mighty gull]

Clearcoat should behave like an advanced layer applied over the base car paint, It might be possible to fake this using an addition translucent material.
The thin film shader, simulates pearlescent effects, where light interference causes color shifts depending on the viewing angle.

[narrow cloak]

Though it can be done using an additional layer, I think it'll be very bad for the path tracer instead of doing it in-shader. The render probably going to be too noisy to resolve to anything usable.

[mighty gull]

Doing it based on shader would be a great approach.
Now we just have to pray for support for multi layer materials, maybe even procedural materials or detail normal maps.

[narrow cloak]

That would be asking too much lol

[dull thunder]

there's only like 3 total RT specific shaders ever written for remix only(when portal rtx was released), the possibilities are there but that just comes down to performance issues if the RTshader is resource intensive

[mighty gull]

Just curious, why is USD Composer’s performance so good with path tracing (Interactive Render), even while supporting so many types of MDL files? 🤔

[bold dome]

It's community driven I believe so everyone chips in whatever they can ( i think?) @smoky flame is the person to ask i think

[dull thunder]

i have no idea honestly, but does this USD composer support clearcoat materials? even if its with path tracing?

[smoky flame]

I'm making a compatibility mod so the game can be modded with remix. This is very different from creating an actual remix mod

[mighty gull]

Yeah, it supports clearcoat and flake as well.
(No DLSS option in Interactive mode though, so it runs at full resolution)

[dull thunder]

seems like the foundation is already built, somehow it has to be ported over to remix as well

right now we only have access to these RT shaders that remix uses. a clearcoat shader is definitely possible

ah wait these aren't actual shaders

[smoky flame]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/main/src/dxvk/shaders/rtx/concept/surface_material/opaque_surface_material_interaction.slangh

[dull thunder]

2k lines of code 💀

[bold dome]

Ohh wasnt aware, nice

[topaz gust]

just looking at all the progress being made here in complete awe. you all are immensely talented! appreciate you legends for pouring love into this game that means so much to so many

[foggy anvil]

No the GTA 4 mod

https://youtu.be/-0CrNew05hM

[upper shale]

why don't you guys youse this as the base textures in gta 4 remix ?

https://www.nexusmods.com/gta4/mods/781

i am sure the mod author would agree to it

[lone garden]

its just ai upscaled shit

disgusting

[smoky flame]

Crossposting the changelog for the newest builds

0.9.0

Remix Runtime Related

• Updated runtime to the latest commit
• Added support for vehicle dirt (wip)
• Refactoring, cleanup and minor fixes

Compatibility Mod

• Graphic Options of the game that are not worth tinkering with are now forced (lowest possible besides Texture Quality)
• Got rid of a lot of string checks to identify certain types of drawcalls to reduce comp-mod overhead as much as possible
• Added a batch to quickly toggle remix+comp mod (_toggle-gta4-rtx.bat)
• Added a second LaunchWithProcessorAffinity batch which assigns 2 cores to GTA and the rest to remix (_LaunchWithProcessorAffinity_2Cores_GTA4.bat)
• rtx.conf has new default graphic settings with DLSS on auto and PT settings set to high
• Disabled SSS by default (because it causes some artifacting on characters)

Remix Mod Shipping with the Compatibility Mod

• Added very basic PBR materials for Nico and Mallorie (with SSS which is producing some artifacts right now)
• Chainlink on metro tracks now casts shadows

Rendering

• Static emissives are now rendered via fixed function which should improve GPU performance a little
• RTXDI Samplecount was forced to 30 to improve vehicle headlight quality (can be adjusted via Game Settings)
• Hair of Nico is now alpha-tested - strenght can be adjusted via a game setting (or be disabled completely)
• Default value of sun angular diameter was slightly reduced
• Disabled drawing of the interior dirt decals by default (game setting)
• Vehicle livery is now rendering
• Vehicles can get dirty now which also adjusts the roughness (wip)
• Fixed an issue where vehicle headlights / taillights could randomly turn on/off
• Disabled drawcalls related to deferred lighting that do not work or make sense with remix (-300 drawcalls per frame)

Timecycle

• Fixed a bug in the translation code which could result in a very saturated game
• Adjusted a few default game-settings (desaturation influence, skylight intensity scale, color temperature influence ..)

Map Settings

• Added the ability to allow filler lights if they are globally ignored (ImGui > Map Settings Tab)
• Proper handling when no map_settings.toml is present in the rtx_comp folder

ImGui

• Lots of cleanup and refactoring
• Added a statistics section to the debug tab
• Added the ability to allow filler lights
• Fixed the "Hold right mouse outside imgui to allow for game input" logic
• Hopefully fixed the issue where neither the remix runtime nor the comp-mod menu would open
• Added some missing shaders to the ignore shaders dev section

Map Settings

• Added the ability to allow filler lights if they are globally ignored (ImGui > Map Settings tab)

0.9.1

• Fixed vehicle dirt over livery
• Added game settings to enable/disable vehicle dirt and livery + dirt color override
• Fixed traffic lights loosing their color - had to disable the global emissive scalar (game setting) - wip
• Added the fake volumetric light sprite of vehicle headlights to the ignore list
• The ProcessorAffinity batch files now work if the game is installed under ProgramFiles
• Changing light translation settings now clears the light cache list so that changes are instantly visible

[limpid path]

you should link your patreon somewhere in this btw

[smoky flame]

Thanks for allowing me to do that but I'd rather not 😛
I don't actively ask or want to redirect people there. Might be stupid but it feels odd for some reason

[twin mason]

OP @bold dome and @mighty gull afaik but ive just been viewing the chat

[mighty gull]

Old game textures usually have prebaked lighting, stuff like highlights and shadows baked straight into the diffuse map. That might look okay in older engines without path tracing, but once you switch to a path tracing renderer, it just doesn’t hold up. The lighting ends up looking double baked or off, and it breaks the realism.

Diffuse often includes baked lighting like shadows and highlights, while albedo is meant to be clean, just the base color without any lighting info.
https://www.cgdirector.com/albedo-map/

[gleaming spear]

you could probably use a depth based comyfui flow to removed baked maps efficiently

idk if anyone ever made something like that tho, but should be possible

[narrow cloak]

https://youtu.be/daOD2Ucvj7A

oh boy

HE'S CALLING IT SHADERS

AAAAAARGH

NOOOOOOOOO!!!

[zenith hill]

not even chatgpt would give you this kind of misinformation

[earnest kernel]

At least say physics based

[zenith hill]

calling any graphics mod shaders is something I regularly see people do and I think it's because they're mostly familiar with minecraft mods

[narrow cloak]

Or Reshade

[lone garden]

disgusting

someone find this guy

[mighty gull]

Wait… did he just say PBR means Performance Base Rendering?
Well damn, I just learned a whole new definition today! 🤣

[narrow cloak]

Some people just aren't qualified to talk about things

Now a few thousand people are going to call it performance based rendering

[dull thunder]

Pushing content out faster than researching just for a few minutes is an ill mindset. Love how he's confidently spewing nonsense

But I get it some people aren't that into the nitty gritty of things they just like what they're seeing tbh

[narrow cloak]

Well

Then don't get into nitty gritty

You can do one single google search if you aren't sure

[lone garden]

god damn

performance base rendering

did he even

understand what he said

[narrow cloak]

What do you think

[lone garden]

something really dumb

instead of simple one google search he just

lmao i can't find words in that damn language

lets be just "invented" on the go

he just invented that shit on the go

[versed patrol]

he probably asked chatgpt to write the script

and never checked it

[lone garden]

even chatgpt cant write that shit

well only if he used some first versions

[versed patrol]

gpt5 is as stupid as the first one

it just tells you how he can think about the stupidity he's gonna tell you

[gleaming spear]

what is the plan for character faces and hairs? they're gonna feel uncanny if you remake them in substance

[versed patrol]

I don't think model can be changed, so texture is the only way

so substance is the only way

[gleaming spear]

yeah that's what I meant, texture replacements, since they have baked maps in the faces, remaking them can make the chracters feel different

all character have clay hair while niko's default hair is like 3 stacks of a model ontop of each other like the way the games did grass at the time, tbh I think model editing via fusion overload is needed for some parts

[lone garden]

yeah

texture streaming issues

my beloved

[gleaming spear]

try this one, should look better I guess, used a sd1.5 based model with an upscaler on top, keeps the same "style"

[lone garden]

nothing changed

🥀

[mighty gull]

When I wanted to manually create the undercarriage mesh…

Tadpole3159 just showed me the AI normal map generator…
Man, it really feels like AI’s about to replace me at this rate. That thing’s scary good...

[unreal oasis]

Bruh what

seems like this guy doesnt even give a damn and just wants to make a video on it for the money

😭

[mighty gull]

Luckily it only supports 2K output for free, so the texture still gets pixelated at 4K or 8K.
So yeah… it’s not replacing me just yet. At least not at this moment.
I’ll keep my job until AI hits 16K.

[unreal oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-esclavo-girar-dona-latigo-gif-19326012

[versed patrol]

u can go up to 22k on krea but i don't know how good it is and it's paid too

[mighty gull]

Krea has that kind of accuracy and detail quality?

[versed patrol]

i haven't used it a lot but it looked pretty good and it prob got updated since

[mighty gull]

I meant the normal map generator.

[versed patrol]

OH i thought just ai upscaling

[gleaming spear]

You should try https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1345238171549700116

it crates the best normalmaps from my experience

[mighty gull]

I’ve tried PBRFusion 3.0 before, still not as accurate as SwitchLight’s normal maps in my experience.
And honestly, I really enjoy creating assets manually. It’s more satisfying and gives me full control.
So yeah, I’ll stick with the manual workflow. Let the AI creators do their thing, I’m good doing mine.😜

[quick smelt]

AI can actually be really good for textures if used properly. Just needs some small fixes afterwards.

[livid valley]

not trying to be rude, but a lot of diffusion artifacts are visible and the original grittiness is lost

[limpid path]

yeah i think the original is meant to be more of a granite like texture. these kinds of changes aren't uncommon for diffusion unfortunately

[quick smelt]

i did go for stone texture, not granite. of course it's different 😂

[serene wave]

If you're doing that from an upscale of the original you should base it on the I composed from the GTAV Next Gen version where Rockstar used a much higher res one with a lot more finer details for the engine stuff.

Also to respond to an earlier question about "mipmap tricks" this was something used in the 6th and 7th gen days to get more uses or effects from mipmap manipulation instead, in GTA IV's case it uses differing contrast and brightness on the vehicle speckle to create a distant shimmer light effect, you can see in this image where the mips are in the corner.

[lone garden]

🥀

[dull thunder]

Oh so that's how metallic flakes were replicated

[lone garden]

yes that's true, but not in case of upscaling 256x256/512x512 to 4k

[quick smelt]

😂

[versed patrol]

i just saw a message "someone please" that got deleted instantly

who is in your basement xoxor

[narrow cloak]

It was me

I decided to move it to

Uh

Xoxor's server

[versed patrol]

huh

u sure ur not in xoxor basement ?

[narrow cloak]

I can neither confirm, nor deny

[versed patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/mengsedih-gif-23325538

[mighty gull]

Wait, GTA V uses the same texture as GTA IV? I didn’t know that, interesting.

[narrow cloak]

👎

[smoky flame]

lmao

[narrow cloak]

👍

I'm not sure if the glitch is related to fps or not

But when you're getting doodoo frames even with framegen, it's not very easy

[smoky flame]

great of them that they've never fixed that bug

[narrow cloak]

It's not a bug so I don't know why anyone would try to fix it

I fully blame xoxor

I'll get it. Eventually

Okay I did it

I can die happy now

[earnest kernel]

I did that shit on 360 with 30fps so I don't think that framerate is an isseu

[narrow cloak]

It's my skill

I'm trying to get a recording but unfortunately the game fucks with nvidia thingy

the nvidia

uh

thingy

So I have to start a recording beforehand

Okay I got it. You gotta hit it. Not drive into it

aaaalright

One last clip and I'll stop spamming. This is the peak of gaming for me

[earnest kernel]

Shoulda picked up the phone while flying through the air

[narrow cloak]

lol

[bold hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-strike-bowling-animation-amfboss-raw-gif-23873998

[earnest kernel]

Now that's peak

If GTA 6 doesn't have swings of death, they shouldn't even release it

[lone garden]

gta 6 with rtx remix when?

[narrow cloak]

Tomorrow

[lone garden]

finally

[frosty wren]

dam y all really go above n beyond in this homemade gta 4 remaster.

[rotund dawn]

@smoky flame https://youtu.be/daOD2Ucvj7A

[lone garden]

we already saw

that

performance based rendering

[earnest kernel]

https://www.digitalfoundry.net/features/grand-theft-auto-4-pc-from-disaster-port-to-path-traced-mod-showcase

Written article on the mod by DF on their new site

[lone garden]

guys who can make some performance based rendering textures for my gitia 4?

[barren thorn]

Performance Based Rendering ? XDDD

[rustic coral]

Guy probably let chatgpt write the script

[peak shoal]

GTA 6 delayed again

https://tenor.com/view/strauss-zelnick-sam-houser-dan-houser-rockstar-games-gta-6-gif-4265522091409081283

[earnest kernel]

Good thing we got GTA 4 path traced

[merry grotto]

and soon, the mortals will have it too

like me, that live in Brazil and the patreon costs 10% of the average salary

[smoky flame]

damn for real?

[bold dome]

Yes

😳

[earnest kernel]

Damn, Warcaco really wanted the comp mod if he spent that much

[bold dome]

I used the money I earned on Patreon; I'm currently unemployed.

[mighty gull]

Slowly chipping away at it, gonna take a break for now and pick it up again tomorrow.

[versed patrol]

please tell me all cars share the same and you're not going to make a ton of em

[mighty gull]

All car share the same texture.

[lone garden]

lazyass rockstar games

[versed patrol]

more like storage optimizations i'd say

[lone garden]

gta 4

and optimisation

lmao

[versed patrol]

it released on a cd

[mighty gull]

That’s exactly why I put effort into building the mesh properly. to bake clean normal and height maps.
If there are too many variations to handle, I’ll just fall back to using Switchlight 3’s normal map.

[versed patrol]

i saw that switchlight thing it looks insane

but isn't it for videos ?

[mighty gull]

Yeah, it’s great for AI modders, or anyone who just wants a fast, reliable way to generate accurate normal maps without diving deep into manual baking.

[mighty gull]

Also work for image.

[versed patrol]

nice

[unreal oasis]

• youre rarely gonna see under a car in the game anyway

[serene wave]

Have you played a GTA before?

Average day in GTA

[frosty wren]

custom placed trees in gta 4?

they look good too

[mighty gull]

This is a Remix mesh replacement setup that uses PointInstancer for tree placement.

[dull thunder]

So more like ghost trees because they won't have collision? Since it's handled by remix

[mighty gull]

Yes, it’s just a test to showcase the power of PointInstancer.
For collision, we can simply spawn basic collision boxes in game, it doesn’t need to be complex, just enough to handle interaction while keeping performance smooth.

[frosty wren]

what if the current trees get replaced

[earnest kernel]

Replacing current trees is probably a good first step before adding additional ones because they wreck performance

[foggy anvil]

I mean dlss is also ai

[frosty wren]

altho just as a suggestion, see if its possible to make it autumn like, some greenish some yellowish some orange. Like dayl did with rdr2 autumn trees

since game itself takes place somewhere in fall

[twin mason]

CD is like PS1 era 700mb GTA IV was DVD

It's crazy PS1 had this final fantasy 9 game it was like 10 discs

[smoky flame]

@zenith hill Hey do you know if it's possible to identify a specific rmcDrawable before rendering? Would have hoped to compare it or the grmModel / grmGeometry to some model hash value.
I don't know if its possible to retrieve a grmModel ptr by hash from some kind of global pool to then compare the addresses?

[zenith hill]

if what you need is an identifier that's stable every launch I think the best you can get is the name hash from CBaseModelInfo, which you can get if you intercept the processing functions of CDrawFragTypeDC, CDrawEntityDC etc

[smoky flame]

Ah right this is it thank you!

[rough mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072

[mighty gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-KkQWjGbwU

[worn fox]

you were able to replace the ak model? or is it just a retexture
looks higher quality than i remember

[upper shale]

is this on complete edition?

how did you get the first person mod to work ?

[lone garden]

its real life

[zenith hill]

it's the phillipines

[upper shale]

aight, imma hit you both with my dad's best comeback

👍

[lone garden]

hey yo wtf

[upper shale]

yeah, how does it feel ?

take it

[lone garden]

🙏

[upper shale]

no but seriously, anyone knows how to get first person mod working on complete edition ?

[versed patrol]

there's probably a version of the mod that works with this version of the game

[upper shale]

nah, only for 1.0.7.0 or 1.0.8.0

but I remeber I got it working with complete edition

[lone garden]

i think textures

[upper shale]

just need the right scriptook.net

[lone garden]

bcz i remember that ak in game looks so cool

my beloved weapon ever

[versed patrol]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/12210/discussions/0/591769258100303273

but i think he just used freecam from remix just for the screenshot

[upper shale]

I swear fusion fix has it's own asi loader, right ?

[versed patrol]

i think so yh

[upper shale]

thanks buddy :)))

[versed patrol]

ZMenu has a first person view integrated

but i'm not sure how compatible it is with the latest version

[earnest kernel]

Liberty's Legacy works with complete edition and has a first person view

[serene wave]

Fusion Fix uses TAGs ASI loader, the ultimate ai loader one

[upper shale]

yeah, but I'd say it's worse then the standalone mod

[dull thunder]

Oily fingers

[crimson ruin]

Time to buy gta 4 before public release 🤑

[barren thorn]

;D

[lone garden]

gymnastics

[barren thorn]

nico lets go bowling

[lone garden]

more like

niko lets go oiling

[barren thorn]

Reference photo

[dusk jolt]

lifetime supply of oil

[dusk jolt]

Are you able to get the LEDs on the wall to glow their respective colors?

[barren thorn]

I think yes

[dusk jolt]

I think the Machines are bit too shiny. Arent they usually a foggy grey color? The floor looks good though, I can only imagine how hard it would be to dial in the shiny-ness of the bowling floor

[barren thorn]

Some object share same textures

Meaning I did add some metal material for parts of chairs and it was automaticaly replaced on those dispensers

[upper shale]

I mean yes, but I still think it needs at least a normal map, or a bump map to break up the mirror like finish

[upper shale]

also, is there any way you can add 2 light sources per car "headlight" instead of one ?

[bold hedge]

Xoxor already fixed it, and it might be included in the new update.

[rotund dawn]

discord bugged and for some reason refuses to load forwarded videos

[livid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

[narrow cloak]

Live leak

[smoky flame]

and dual rear lights

[upper shale]

nah, fr

[rotund dawn]

i wonder what RTXDI settings are being used here

i remember hearing higher sample rates and sampling best lights make headlights like these more stable

[smoky flame]

stock but with sample count at 30

[livid valley]

no sample best lights 🥀

[upper shale]

so do the headlights cast separate shadows like in gta 5 ?

[livid valley]

yes

[upper shale]

sick

[upper shale]

should showcase that too

[upper shale]

OMG

https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072

[rotund dawn]

set temporal reuse sample to 1 and set sample best lights to on

@livid valley type beat

[livid valley]

only set temp to 1 if you want shadows to update quicker

[smoky flame]

which one

oh alright

[livid valley]

max history length

[rotund dawn]

i genuinely see no loss in quality other than almost instant response

maybe it helps with low sample counts

[livid valley]

i never changed the permutation setting

oops meant to reply

[rotund dawn]

but since we're using 30 samples with best lights enabled

we don't need temporal reuse as much

[livid valley]

lmao gmod has it cranked to 64 count

it doesnt hurt my fps too much on AMD

[smoky flame]

it did take 3-5 fps so I've opted for half

[livid valley]

are those artifacts visible with a higher max history length?

i think RR does stuff differently so i never experienced them on my hw

[smoky flame]

yea

[livid valley]

oh ok good

do you have both of the compute options on?

i cant remember the name but it cleans up moving shadows a lot

[rotund dawn]

that noise is crazyyyyyyy never seen portal rtx do that

[livid valley]

yeah i think these issues are exclusive to high counts of API lights

[rotund dawn]

damn you API lights

whats wrong with them 💔

[smoky flame]

with 200 lights

[livid valley]

this is what gmod uses

ngl tho i think we both already have most of the important settings the same

i might half my sample count by default as well though

[rotund dawn]

So weird cause seeing cars in gmod rtx the headlights don’t have that crazy noise

[livid valley]

does the map have 200+ lights?

[rotund dawn]

I’m mainly talking about that one clip where someone was playing a racing game type addon in gmod rtx

And the lights looked fine

[bold hedge]

How does Remix work in GMOD? Are there specific maps?

[livid valley]

wdym?

[bold hedge]

So, I'm wondering if there are maps with modified materials, or are you just checking that remix works well in general on any map?

[livid valley]

the compatibility mod ships minimal changes, so stuff like water and mirrors in gm_construct. But we're seeing if gmod rtx has the same light noise issues as gta 4 rtx as they both use remix api lights entirely

600+ lights here

keep in mind i dont have RR so my artifacts are gonna look a bit different

[rotund dawn]

Do you think the issue might come from sample best light somehow?

[smoky flame]

pretty similar still

why do they lag behind so much for you tho

[livid valley]

lua

[upper shale]

wth am I watching, is this garry's mod ?

[smoky flame]

gta6

[livid valley]

but honestly i have dont much optimization for any of the entity wrappers, so their update rate gets pretty rough in extremely dense maps like this

[livid valley]

yes

[bold hedge]

It's a shame AMD doesn't yet have an alternative to Ray Reconstruction.

[livid valley]

they do but its most likely going to be DX12 only

[upper shale]

do you think we could get lights like this ?

i mean, from what I know you could get custom light png things into remix to alter the shape of the light

[rotund dawn]

Do you think they’ll ever do vulkan support, especially cause they’re kinda the main gpu of Linux

[livid valley]

no idea

[narrow cloak]

@smoky flame how are you handling car materials?

Aren't they randomized?

[smoky flame]

yup

tfactor modulation

I grab the pixelshader constant that normally colors the vehicle and use FF tfactor

[narrow cloak]

So does the texture remain constant?

I mean to say that the texture doesn't change and it's colored in post

[smoky flame]

yes

[narrow cloak]

Is it colored by the compatibility shader or in-remix?

[smoky flame]

comp mod before rendering the car shell

[narrow cloak]

hm

Nfs underground 2 has so many parallels to this game

[smoky flame]

doesnt that game change the texture directly tho?

[narrow cloak]

In the fixed function mode, yes. The shader mode does it via shaders iirc

game has 2 rendering modes

The remix compatible on is severely cut down in visual features and it pisses me off

[smoky flame]

I guess I should take a look sometime then

[narrow cloak]

That would be nice

[narrow cloak]

So if you're changing the color before sending it to remix, then how is the texture detected?

A normal replacement wouldn't work

[smoky flame]

you mean how I detect when its rendering the vehicle paint?

the texture remains white when you select it in remix

its not changing the texture

[narrow cloak]

What I'm saying is that if you're changing the texture color in shader then the texture hash changes

So what about the paint material

oh

hmm

That explains

[smoky flame]

remix modulates the color in the opaque shader just like the gpu driver would have done in FF

[narrow cloak]

Does it support masks?

One of the biggest things that piss me off is that FF mode disables crowds

For me, it's just this crappy 3,2,1

[smoky flame]

Masks for what? The runtime can be modified to accept a mask texture similar to how a mask was used to define the rayportal shape

[narrow cloak]

I meant a mask that defines which part of the texture should be tinted since iirc, the cars use just one big texture

[smoky flame]

I guess the shader based version only uses a black/white mask for car paint

or a secondary mask

[narrow cloak]

So

[narrow cloak]

Does this not mean the texture itself is being colored by the compat mod before sending it off to remix

[smoky flame]

no

[narrow cloak]

ah

[smoky flame]

the opaque shader in remix takes a sample of the white car paint texture and modulates it with the TFACTOR

[narrow cloak]

So that proves that

I'm stupid

[smoky flame]

then sends that off to the pathtracer