Fallout New Vegas

[peak heart]

sorrry

[dusk rock]

it's okay

https://www.mediafire.com/file/oravn5nxefgf277/dxvk-remix-ca84f9d-2-release.zip/file

[mighty topaz]

what do you have to click in menu

[opal crystal]

capcha?

Are you sure you aren't a bot if you can't beat a capcha?/joking

[mighty topaz]

amazing

it was a joke

dw

we in shadow realm

[peak heart]

thank you that works

seeems though the game just see all texture as "UI" so its was an interesting test

[keen niche]

Oh no, that's probably because the Alpha channel of normal maps is reused, huh?

[hearty crane]

@mighty topaz alpha blended: off

@mighty topaz From blueamulet's post:
rtx.skyBoxTextures = 0xA101BC160F9A401F, 0xA8EEF498B9799592, 0x70FD819D34D66854, 0xF6329E764BD73AEB, 0xE1585117D4E0B6F7, 0xD9CE192F4BAE037, 0xD3BD65A7C94B4AAD, 0xC03567212C8098A, 0x40A50501BBD59548, 0x9FEDDD1F0D9CC630, 0xA243B41375A21BCB, 0x6827AEF437EB8EB8, 0xCACAF2D2FE12ED22, 0xD16D5508EFB08CC1, 0x3A15B2026469D1CA, 0x1E150DE322965FA6, 0x85011A990FA7FD7A, 0xD4EE97B1560D25E0, 0x98368B6751200F30, 0x16FF7421AA78A959, 0xA5573958A638336B, 0xB89D26463D62DFAA, 0xACDFADD0D2EBCB6, 0xC345697725EACE15, 0xB97C2EFC68044D1B, 0xDEBDD0BC51391A42, 0xA4D80D15B19F91BD, 0xA0CF7BBD64E13D4E, 0x6D7C91F952086F23, 0x4D21C792A0630FDE, 0xBBD36AE50E866D97, 0x12CCB88C2720DF21, 0x2C02BE5BD469FB8D

Go to rtx.conf(main dir) and paste all this

have to restart the game ofc.

[dusty lynx]

nice, the bridge issue is fixed in a nightly now

@hearty crane mind changing the first post to use https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions/runs/5095209923 instead for the bridge mbc hack part

[hearty crane]

@dusty lynx So instead of the hack AND the dxvk-remix ?
This contains both?

[dusty lynx]

no, that is just the bridge

though, for now could also change dxvk-remix to https://github.com/BlueAmulet/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/5096553900, actually allows more lights to get passed to remix

[dusty lynx]

She's looking a little different

[hearty crane]

T1001

[dusty lynx]

Alright I commited the various stuff related to new vegas to my GitHub
https://github.com/BlueAmulet/RTXRemixStuff/tree/main/NewVegas

same stuff I've been putting here just in an easier to find location that can be updated

[jagged forge]

I believe I followed the guides completely, including using the latest RemixStuff from the message above, but I'm getting this

[dusty lynx]

Set [Display] bDoSpecularPass=0

[jagged forge]

Heck yeah, but there is a vault boy face in the sky haunting me :D

[dusty lynx]

The rtx.conf in that repo should have all the ui textures marked already including that face

[dusty lynx]

ah, that was the texture that was breaking dialog ... that'll probably need some kind of patch then.

[hearty crane]

Main post updated , including this: RTXRemixStuff

[hearty crane]

disable emissive blend overide , or Alpha blended

[dusty lynx]

The normal maps are because bDoSpecularPass needs to be 0, turning alpha blending off removes parts of the world

[hearty crane]

I knew et removes some glass pitchers / t-rex dolls and so on.. but i didnt think specular is the same as normal pass

[dusty lynx]

There, added some performance tips like the culling option and alpha blending to the page, and fixed another UI texture causing rasterization during Doc Mitchell part

[dusty lynx]

oh nice at some point the pipboy seems to be working

[jagged chasm]

It started working on mine prior to the update

[ornate marlin]

The light or using it?

Got a screen?

[jagged chasm]

I posted a video a few days ago

There’s a texture that gets all the icons and text written to it that needs set as UI texture.

The pipboy light works with Walls mod

[dusty lynx]

Damn parsing nif files is slow.

[ornate marlin]

Background still rasterized?

[jagged chasm]

Nope all PTd but it’s way over exposed.

I think I wanna try getting the emissive textures assigned this weekend.

Non automated cause I feel like it ends up breaking it somehow

[dusty lynx]

@jagged chasm tell me if you figure out how to get it actually working in a usda, cause my emissive maps still don't work

also fun flaw with making a usda based on the diffuse, some meshes share the same diffuse but use alternate everything else textures

like two lamp nif, same diffuse, but one has no glow texture and one does have a glow texture because it's lamp_off and lamp_on

[jagged chasm]

Yea that’s why I’m thinking starting to think we’ll have a general override for the typical stuff and then have to do a lot of texture assignments by hand.

By the way, do you use IDA Pro or Freeware?

[jagged chasm]

At least we can easily toggle this game back into rastering via ui textures.

[dusty lynx]

You'd want to use UI for glow textures? plus can't really toggle it back off so anything else would be force rasterized

[hearty crane]

@dusty lynx Think he meant World space UI = Emissive , not UI textures

[dusty lynx]

the glow texture isn't the main texture so that doesn't work

The normal map is also the environment mask?

[jagged chasm]

Nah I meant easily toggling to raster to see what kid of light we should use.

[hearty crane]

my mistake

[hearty crane]

There was the o2 UI in da sky.To remove et mark as sky tex. If marked as UI then the interiors(at least the apartment on my left) is rasterized

Better performance too with the latest newvegasrtxhelper(newvegasrtxlights)

But the Sun disk is not visbile(checked the ini , VisualSun=True)

[jagged chasm]

The o2 texture seems to be favorite of the sky to use.

[jagged chasm]

We’re above 15 fps

[dusty lynx]

Visual Sun makes the sun light come from where the sun disk is in the sky

otherwise the lighting is kind of noticeably jank, and apparently vanilla FNV has that issue as well, it's just less noticable

[jagged chasm]

I have these two textures as world ui rtx.worldSpaceUiTextures = 0x5F6F85D5038CC51F, 0xC22B26934294C233

I believe they are the ones that allow you to use the pipboy and terminal while maintaining PT

[dusty lynx]

also uhh, in order to restore the game's post processing for now, I've taken to just marking the underwear texture as ui, cause I just coc'd to a location instead of starting the game, so I have no clothes lol

[jagged chasm]

I'm getting 40fps outdoors now

[dusty lynx]

also confusingly ... I notice some of the stuff that's gets removed when I uncheck Alpha Blending, is marked as Alpha Tested in the .nif

[hearty crane]

Two times now i get not necessarily a crash but the game freezes suddenly(after a while) , no responding.

[dusty lynx]

Same, I think it might be from the bridge, newer bridge doesn't immediately crash but I think it deadlocks after a while

[hearty crane]

What CPU do you have? 🙂

[jagged chasm]

CPU: 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12600K

[hearty crane]

This smoke marked as UI brings back the Yellow tint and makes the smoke normal/rasterized.

[dusty lynx]

and looking at the rendering in GPA Alpha Testing is enabled ... and also Alpha blending, even though alpha blending is turned off in the nif

@brazen oyster What scenarios does your Alpha Rendering Tweaks mod fix the alpha blending state being wrong?

[hearty crane]

😄

[dusty lynx]

ah yes

[dusk rock]

land of the fish

that's amazing

[hearty crane]

Wow...Pipboy light , no fallback light now 😁
Light pretty weak though.

@dusty lynx Also important, Now im ingame maybe hour if not more. With your previous hack [remix-mbc_hack]

[hearty crane]

Changing sphere light fixed radius made et non-responsive

[mighty topaz]

F I S H

[dusty lynx]

I'm thinking that the direction light intensity also needs to be reduced, and maybe the sky brightness

everything through remix has been way brighter

[hearty crane]

on Sky emissive i dont go over 1.3

Im mainly leaning on eye adaptation

[keen niche]

You could make a mod that increases it. There's also one I remember that causes it to fill more space, but be dimmer. That might work?

[hearty crane]

I dont know anything bout programing

[keen niche]

Is the land in the distance getting ray-traced, too? That would be awesome.

[keen niche]

Not programming, you'd just open the Geck or xEdit and make the Pip-Boy light brighter/have a larger radius or something.

[hearty crane]

Yes.Thanks to blueamulet, adamplayer, Wall_soGB , and others

[keen niche]

Do you think the light needs to be brighter, just have a larger radius, or what?

I don't know how real lights function.

[dusty lynx]

I believe both would have the same effect in this case

[keen niche]

Okay, this should increase the radius of the Pip-Boy light a bit.

Aaaaaah what the heck? The RTX light .dll is still setting all the options to false!
I've even tried marking the file as read-only, and it still does it!

[dusty lynx]

yeah that I don't understand, lemme send you one with some debug stuff

@keen niche

just show the NewVegasRTXLight.log it makes

[keen niche]

Where will it make it?

[dusty lynx]

in the Fallout New Vegas folder

[dusty lynx]

the fuck?

[keen niche]

😢

It should still work even though MO is virtualizing the folder structure, right?
Especially because it's still setting the options to False again in the file!

[dusty lynx]

yeah but, I changed the lpDefault to "Gone" for the log, so it should either be what's in the ini or "Gone"

I have no idea where "DUMMY" is coming from

now I'm curious lemme make that buffer larger

Either way though something's breaking your GetPrivateProfile functions, not only is it wrongly reading DUMMY, it didn't write the new LightIntensity setting to the ini

[keen niche]

That looks a bit better!

Eyyyy!

[dusty lynx]

oh it works now?

[keen niche]

Apparently so!

Maybe a mod of mine is changing something related to that? Stewie's Tweaks optimizations, perhaps?

Even got sun shadows for the first time!

Where's that .usda with stuff ignored and set?

[dusty lynx]

btw set bDoSpecularPass to 0 to get rid of the normals

[keen niche]

I did set that, but it looks like it didn't take.

[dusty lynx]

in Fallout.ini specifically?

[keen niche]

I did it in falloutprefs, I'll try the other file now.

It seems to have worked, but there's something funny about my gun.

[dusty lynx]

yeah some stuff is just kind of jank like that, when I go into conversation with people they turn into tar

Dimmer is a property of NiLight, so the sun also has it, I wonder if I need to be using it.

[keen niche]

Probably, that can be controlled via animations.

Also, cool to see that the sun is respecting the actual set sunlight color!

[dusty lynx]

seems like Dimmer is always 1 but I'll do it anyway

[keen niche]

Try looking at a Nuka-Cola vending machine. That has a light with (I believe) an animated dimmer.

[dusty lynx]

point lights have the dimmer already multiplied, just forgot to do it with the sun light

[keen niche]

Ah, I see.

Maybe that'll help with night...?

[dusty lynx]

nope, even at night dimmer was 1

[keen niche]

Oh, something Wall did was make 'sunlight' come from the moon at night. That probably deals with a lot of it.

[dusty lynx]

hmm, curious about that cause I know the light is kind of directionally off at night as well

[keen niche]

https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/77683

[dusty lynx]

oh hmm says lStewieAl's mod also does stuff related to sun light

[keen niche]

I think Stewie's Tweaks fixes the offset between the sun sprite and the actual light.

[dusty lynx]

Does their tweaks mod have no source available?

[dusty lynx]

oh okay

[keen niche]

Yeah, there we go:

[dusty lynx]

The issue I've been having with the sun is the direction is nonsensical, the local position is okay except at night the values go over the sky again in reverse. Plus it should be tracking the moon instead. Maybe the light direction isn't a vector but a series of rotations? Idk.

[keen niche]

Wall's plugin probably deals with that.

The night part, at least.

[hearty crane]

And the moon light intensity? or is et basicaly the same light source?

[keen niche]

Same thing. I think the moonlight is just controlled by the sunlight color in the weather's night setting.

[brazen oyster]

eh, the fixes there are so niche (except TMSAA) I don't think it's noticeable in vanilla

[brazen oyster]

can't escape me

[dusty pivot]

The sun direction has a side angle but the sun sprite is always following a path that goes through the exact top of the sky

The real solution would be to match the sprite to the light direction otherwise it's a strange lighting choice for this region of the world

[brazen oyster]

yea, the directional light is purely horizontal

[dusty pivot]

And yeah I believe the light direction is essentially the vector of the light in world coordinates

[jagged chasm]

It’s because they set the auto exposure to a weird bracket.

[jagged chasm]

If you set it to something like -2 to 20 with an adaption speed of 10 it’ll handle the big exposure range these remixes are coming out to

[dusty lynx]

oh, raising the minimum or just outright disabling Eye Adaptation helped a lot

yeah the default of -2 is making nights and interiors feel extremely overbright

[jagged chasm]

Yea ideally you'd have enough light that'd you wouldn't have to set it in the negatives unless there's only a tiny amount of light.

[jagged chasm]

Oops, all normals!

[dusty lynx]

Updated my USDA generator, now supports parsing .nif files, loading texture hash maps (incase the textures you want to use are different from the game's), and now has progress bars

still need to figure out how to do emissives though.

[summer cargo]

From what I saw of the directory, the _g tags were very consistent-- a check for the diffuse filename + _g should get most of them.

The difficult part would probably be getting the color right, from what I've seen in Anachronox.

[dusty lynx]

They aren't, but I have the emissive textures, they're written to the USDA, they don't load

[summer cargo]

Oh.

[jagged chasm]

Like load at all? With the emissive flag set and the intensity set higher than 40?

It might be getting blocked by another texture tbh

[dusty lynx]

Is there any input bool I need to set for it to actually be emissive, currently just setting the intensity and emissive mask texture

[jagged chasm]

Ye

[dusty lynx]

And there it is.

Alright thanks

Eventually I'll need to also read emission strength out of the nif, only doing texture maps right now

[summer cargo]

I really need to compile the full list of vars because having to manually apply each one in Omniverse to find them all is such a pain.

[jagged chasm]

Pretty sure we all want that list.

I think the aperture mdl might be it

[summer cargo]

I've got a template for the default but need to finish the translucent one.

I'm pretty much about to pass out and not on my computer but I'll upload my template tomorrow for the basic aperture model and opacity.

[dusty lynx]

I usually just search the dxvk source code for all the input variables

[summer cargo]

You might even find a couple that aren't in Omniverse Create, who knows 👀

[dusk rock]

emissive textures were ghosting heavily for me

setting individual lights might be better?

[jagged chasm]

Ghosting is made worse from the lack of stable geo hashes right?

[dusk rock]

yes

i believe so at least

however in the game i tested, it had stable hashes where the light was bring projected, and it still ghosted heavily

but a manually placed light source didn't

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106420949257044061/1112222703160668170/2023-05-27_23-29-51.mp4

that's the emissive light

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106420949257044061/1112239712988569670/Barnyard_2023-05-28_00-42-22.mp4

this is the manual light. it's floating and attached to the camera, no idea why, but you can see that the projected light is far more consistent

[jagged chasm]

[jagged chasm]

It's chainning time ⛓️

[jagged chasm]

But wait!

Need to break the quad for every layer

Looks really neat tho

For as old as this game is, the materials are pretty good

Weird how little I feel like I see them in the game

[jagged chasm]

By the way: have we checked if the source of the gray material is due to the paths getting messed up relative to the capture usd and the mod usda ?

[dusty lynx]

Mark seemed to think it might have been a bug in remix

but wait, is that the classic normal purple?

The game has normal maps, randomly in the emission mask slot

[jagged chasm]

I should start with the window textures first those emissives help so much.

How’s the nif to usd workflow going Blue?

[dusty lynx]

I uploaded it to my github yesterday

it's kind of crap tbh, PyFFI uses depreciated then removed things in python that need to be patched

they fixed it on GitHub but the pypi version is old

It fails to parse several meshes

but, yeah was worth it, the whole suffix thing is not consistent, and some meshes use textures from other folders too

[jagged chasm]

I’ll have to try it out

[dusty lynx]

oh right another downside, it's slow, like would have taken 2h:24m slow if I didn't multithread the nif parsing and cache it

[jagged chasm]

I’ll run it while I chain

[dusty lynx]

Essentially the following:
pip install xxhash tqdm PyFFI PIL
usdagen.py -t textures -m meshes -hm texhashes.txt -o output.usda

texture hash maps used instead of hashing on the fly, incase you want to use different textures that would otherwise change the hash

well, it can hash on the fly if you don't give it a map or it's not in the map, also useful if you have a few mesh fix mods that come with custom textures

then the textures folder, the generated folder it makes, and the usda go into gameReadyAssets

also kind of seems like the emission mask in remix is not actually a mask, if I give it a solid blue texture the whole thing becomes blue rather than just the blue parts of the diffuse

[jagged chasm]

So I need to extract the meshes as well now?

[jagged chasm]

PIL should be pillow right?

[dusty lynx]

right, yeah

[jagged chasm]

I remember getting confused about it when I tried using it the first time

  File "C:\Users\Adam\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python310\site-packages\pyffi\formats\nif\__init__.py", line 1383, in read
    block.read(stream, self)
  File "C:\Users\Adam\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python310\site-packages\pyffi\object_models\xml\struct_.py", line 373, in read
    attr_value.read(stream, data)
  File "C:\Users\Adam\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python310\site-packages\pyffi\object_models\xml\array.py", line 317, in read
    elem.read(stream, data)
  File "C:\Users\Adam\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python310\site-packages\pyffi\object_models\xml\struct_.py", line 373, in read
    attr_value.read(stream, data)
  File "C:\Users\Adam\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python310\site-packages\pyffi\object_models\common.py", line 384, in read
    self._value = struct.unpack(data._byte_order + 'f',
struct.error: unpack requires a buffer of 4 bytes``` These normal?

[dusty lynx]

yep

from pyffi

[jagged chasm]

This thing works really well. Amazing job

It does expect the textures and generated folder to be next to the mod.usda right?

[dusty lynx]

yep

[jagged chasm]

So much texture

[summer cargo]

Yeah color data seems to come from the emission map in Remix. I think it's like Metallics and Roughness where if you include that it ignores the other info you gave it.
I wouldn't use EM for anything but metallics or roughness since it's only supposed to help with cubemaps.

In Anachronox my white emissive textures are causing the system to assume every light is white.

[keen niche]

Uhh... that makes sense?
It works like that in the game, too. It's a mask, not a... color-matching glow-maker?

You're not telling it 'pixels of this color in the diffuse will glow', it's a glowing layer on top of the object, making whatever's under it glow, tinted the color on that spot of the emissive mask.

[jagged chasm]

Blue, is there anyway to set the strength of the sun as it gets passed to rtx?

It's coming in really low. It needs to typically be in the 50,000 range

Oh theres a lighting intensity in the ini

my bad

[dusty lynx]

Except I'm getting the opposite of that

Like let's say part of the diffuse is black, but the "mask" is white, I'm getting white emission not the glowing diffuse

I'll just need to test how the shaders do it, busy atm though

[keen niche]

That's how I'd expect it to work.
For the examples I've tried, in both Blender and New Vegas, the emissive mask is itself a layer, that is colored by its own texture.
In Blender, if I take an untextured cube and paint something on it with the emissive mask, those parts glow what I've set it as.
In New Vegas, if I apply an emissive mask to a weapon that didn't have it before, the weapon will glow in the parts that have been colored in the mask, using the mask's color and/or the nif block's emissive color.

Oh, there's one case I don't think Remix can handle. Like, at all:
Dynamically-changing textures/objects.
For example, animation-controlled scrolling textures, or pulsing emissive strength, or color-changing rainbow emissive things.

[dusty lynx]

Yeah sadly, some kind of system where you can say: for X shader, these inputs mean these certain things

atm I'm having the issue that the windows are always glowing, even at day

[keen niche]

Yeah, that's controlled in the reference by the engine. The 'emittance region'.
Basically, you give it a region, and it reads the weathers in that to determine how bright the emission should be at different times of day.

For things like lights you want to go on at night, there's the 'inverted daylight region', for which colors are black (non-emissive) during the day, and white (Full-emissive) at night.

[dusty lynx]

The part about this that I'm confused about then I suppose, the lights for the saloon have a normal map for the emission, but they are still different colors in new Vegas, but just solid normal map purple in remix

[keen niche]

Since Remix only gets the raw textures and stuff, that's... probably not going to be dealt with.

[brazen oyster]

just mod it lmao

fyi

you can check texture slots in game

if they are truly correct

[keen niche]

No idea about remix, but the glow map in NV is sort of a tint on top of whatever's there, along with making it bright despite lighting.
It takes both the glow map's color, and the nif block's emission color, which is a separate setting the engine reads.

[brazen oyster]

select object in console, SSG command

go to the shader property

you will see all textures of that geo, with filepaths

slots are named

also, windows have correct textures

[dusty lynx]

I got all the texture sets through the nif, and yeah the windows are fine, I mean the string of lights

[brazen oyster]

ah those

[dusty lynx]

This picture

[brazen oyster]

actually, makes me wonder now

is it using alpha channel of the normal

for the mask?

[dusty lynx]

From what I saw in GPA, didn't seem like it

[brazen oyster]

where's the code for these passes...

[brazen oyster]

then it's weird to get that from normal data wtf

I wonder if this is obsidian being dumb

or if FO3 does the same

I'll have to ask nobark

[dusty lynx]

I'll mess around with it once I get back home

[gloomy lark]

@brazen oyster what am i supposed to be looking for

[brazen oyster]

normal or fucked up

[gloomy lark]

bad

[brazen oyster]

the lights are using normal map as emissive

is this obsidian being special or what

[gloomy lark]

yes

[brazen oyster]

based

welcome to fucking new vegas

[gloomy lark]

i don't even know which part of the normal the engine would use in that case

[brazen oyster]

me neither

[gloomy lark]

i'm pretty sure the gold bars in dm use the normal as an environment mask, and use the spec as the mask

which would make sense but also lazy af

[brazen oyster]

do these light even have a glow map

no

[gloomy lark]

third channel is the glowmap dummy

[brazen oyster]

lmao

[brazen oyster]

so you know now???

[gloomy lark]

third slot

[brazen oyster]

mf, this is the 3rd slot

[gloomy lark]

in the middle of an adhd meltdown rn, remember

[brazen oyster]

i can count

[gloomy lark]

anyway i'm surprised there's even something there considering all the other strip lights like that don't have a mask assigned

[brazen oyster]

someone give me a medal pls

[gloomy lark]

might have fixed it in ttw anyway

too busy to check atm

[brazen oyster]

I'll check

[gloomy lark]

it's in my fixes

not pushed yet

[brazen oyster]

mf

is it in the pack I have

[gloomy lark]

maybe

[brazen oyster]

yea

_g

[gloomy lark]

cool

[brazen oyster]

can I upload it here or will Roy sue me

[gloomy lark]

idc

[brazen oyster]

yea that's something you'd say

I'll check how game even parses this shit

[gloomy lark]

what the fuck, someone got rtx running on Barnyard???

[brazen oyster]

[gloomy lark]

i didn't even know that had a pc port

[brazen oyster]

nobark's ditchin TTW for Barnyard modding

[gloomy lark]

no i imagine it plays like ass on m&kb

[dusk rock]

it's not bad

https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1106420949257044061

[brazen oyster]

wow I won't find a better use for this emote

[gloomy lark]

i'll have to find a copy at some point, shit was the bomb growing up
nick had tons of great licensed games in the 2000s

anyway, i'll provide what little meshoid knowledge i have if you need me
tho wall's probably more useful since meshes are just meshes

[brazen oyster]

don't be so shy

[gloomy lark]

also there's a ton of shit i don't know, anything like vfx is voodoo and there's not a whole lot of people in the community who understand how it all works

[brazen oyster]

[ BSShader::SetShaders ] New pass: "BSSM_ADTS2_G"
[ BSShader::SetShaders ] Vertex "SLS2016.vso"
[ BSShader::SetShaders ] Pixel "SLS2024.pso"

yea

it uses alpha

[gloomy lark]

lol

[dusty lynx]

alpha's used as an emission mask?

[brazen oyster]

sec I need to sanity check if I'm not stupid

[dusty lynx]

most of that normal's alpha is black

okay yeah I made the diffuse of the 24 hour sign black and the emission is also black. So it is masked emission of the diffuse unlike blender and remix where it's just additive

[brazen oyster]

okay yea I'm dumb and can't read shader ASM

it's using RGB

no A

[dusty lynx]

I'm just going to verify remix's behavior but I'm pretty sure I'll also have to make the usda writer also generate emission textures

[gloomy lark]

even stupider 🤣

normalmap rgb can't look good

[jagged chasm]

I think it’s finally time to figure out how to use nsight and see what’s killing perf now that we’ve got a way to mass set textures.

[gloomy lark]

knowing the engine, probably water

[dusty lynx]

You know about Intel GPA as well right?

[jagged chasm]

Does it hook into remix easier ?

[dusty lynx]

oh you mean debugging remix

I just prefer it over old nsight for dx9 debugging

otherwise normally I just use RenderDoc

[jagged chasm]

I never got old nsight working ngl. But I’m bad at getting legacy stuff working.

Was there ever an intel gpa that took x86 dx9?

[dusty lynx]

yeah the latest still does

I kind of struggled to figure out how to use nsight, did get it captured once but it doesn't save a capture file for analysis later it freezes the program and does analysis then, and was awkward to use

[summer cargo]

Can you multiply by the diffuse for the affected glow maps?

[dusty lynx]

yeah that's what I'm going to have it do

[jagged chasm]

The capture layer supports only 64-bit applications. However, the injection mechanism will work with 32-bit processes for the purpose of allowing the capture of applications that require 32-bit launchers.

[dusty lynx]

idk I have 2023 R1 installed and just used it today for looking at the normal map emission behavior

[brazen oyster]

for me GPA recordings have a 10% change of actually loading

[jagged chasm]

I had 0% for the longest

Only thing that worked correctly is Renderdoc and nsight 2023

[brazen oyster]

for me renderdoc crashes when capturing DXVK

[jagged chasm]

If we combine them all together, we might get a single working trace.

[jagged chasm]

Nsight crashes anytime I try to profile remix

[dusty lynx]

bit better

[dusty lynx]

alright uploaded the emission changes for the usda writer to github

known issues: your skin glows.

[gloomy lark]

that's the fake subsurface scattering

could probably fix it with a black glowmap for body textures

[summer cargo]

Just emulating that 7th-gen bloom, I see. 😂

[dusty lynx]

having mostly working emission definitely looks nice, especially the casino

[jagged chasm]

I ran into an issue, if you go into the sunset sarsaparilla factory, there are no lights passed to remix for some reason

[dusty lynx]

@jagged chasm can't replicate

[jagged chasm]

Damn. Must be a skill issue on my part

[dusty lynx]

am noticing some culling funkyness in that building though so will have to see what parts of the patch are needed for that

[jagged chasm]

It does have the nice touch of having openings to the skybox so you can get some really cool lighting.

[keen niche]

Does the RTX plugin actually account for interiors with the 'act as exterior' flag, and give it sunlight?

[jagged chasm]

Yes. It ends up loading the whole exterior in LOD form around the interior.

[keen niche]

Oh, uhh... that's extremely unusual, and not at all what I'd expect that plugin to do.

Normally, only proper exteriors can have LOD.
The only exception would be if a mod changed an interior to be in an exterior to have the LOD, or if they made the LOD a nif they just placed to give that effect.

[jagged chasm]

I meant the lower LOD form, like the lowest detail one.

[dusty lynx]

I didn't do anything in the plugin specifically regarding that flag

I just send lighting info to remix and use one of wall's culling patches

[dusty lynx]

@jagged chasm did notice that there is a few solid black reflection textures, which kind of annoyingly means the normal is not DXT1 so intentionally has an alpha texture, but likely shouldn't?

maybe there's some nif flags or something that controls whether the normal map alpha is used

[jagged chasm]

You mean roughness? Did you make sure to invert it?

[dusty lynx]

yeah it's inverted

[jagged chasm]

Hm.

Yea maybe if there’s no alpha or if it’s black, then there’s no roughness map for the mesh.

[dusty lynx]

or it might just be more obsidian jank

[jagged chasm]

Lot of touch ups by hand will need to be done

[ornate marlin]

@dusk rock good shit man gratz

[dusk rock]

what did i do?

[ornate marlin]

Article

[dusk rock]

oh, thanks

i was just confused because this is in the NV channel, lol

[jagged chasm]

Have any you guys used the anti cull lighting with new Vegas yet?

[dusk rock]

i still can't get NV working 😦

i haven't seen anyone mention it for NV yet though

[jagged chasm]

Oh right, I wanted to send you the MO2 instance and game folder sans game files

[hearty crane]

I dont see the point , there is no culling for light with blueamulet's Newvegasrtxhelper/NewVegasrtxlights.

[jagged chasm]

I need to try that nsight while outdoors to perf this thing.

[hearty crane]

Anyone noticed this in other games?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRsSL7iB7nc

[dusk rock]

i'm not sure i see the issue?

shadows cast from the particle effects

they're a bit heavy though

[jagged chasm]

Oh I hear the issue. You don’t have Johnny guitar playing.

[dusk rock]

lol

[hearty crane]

Ye, i was asking bout the particle shadows(they may be heavy cause suposed to be night...notice all shadows are pretty dark)

And now....
for something completely different....

[dusk rock]

what's the latest conf file i should be using?

right now i have this masterpiece

[hearty crane]

My current rtx.conf

😆 💡 ye need that PipBoy light

[jagged chasm]

You still want my instance/game folder?

[dusk rock]

i think it's okay now

thank you though

[hearty crane]

Didnt look anything like this last time i was here. Credit goes to Blueamulet, adamplayer, Wall_soGb and others

[jagged chasm]

Damn how'd you get it looking so good

[hearty crane]

@jagged chasm Didnt do much,if anything(not for robco i mean).Ets the ingame's lighting.
Heres the conf. so others can test themselves

[jagged chasm]

I don't know what I messed up

[dusty lynx]

What's the NewVegasRTXLight.ini or log look like?

Might have the lighting pass turned off

[crisp plank]

Sorry to necropost, I think the obsoleted by link is off in this message but is correct on the release page of your fork.

[dusty lynx]

I'll check it out when I can, but we've experienced random hangs with the newer bridge that don't happen on my patch, so unsure what to have the status as

[crisp plank]

Newer as in as of MR "Bridge doesnt handle concurrent D3D9 module and device calls safely"?

[dusty lynx]

Yes

[crisp plank]

Is that discussion in this thread?

[dusty lynx]

#1106553248590090351 message

#1106553248590090351 message

Discussion was mainly just these two instances, but yeah as soon as I went back to my patch no hang anymore

[crisp plank]

Thank you

[hearty crane]

I uploaded that old "hack" to #1095455547748257862 , cause et helped once more,this time with skyrim LE(same multiple bridge commands error) , crash on startup right before the menu(used dxvk remix #93 )

[plush walrus]

If the hangs can be isolated to module commands (IDirect3D9 type) from multiple threads, then we just discovered this ourselves a day or two ago. Should be a simple fix.

[jagged chasm]

Per Wall, it was whenever the game loaded textures.

[plush walrus]

New logs with a higher verbosity would help pinpoint this. I'll get a fix going for what I know to be a problem in the meantime

[jagged chasm]

It was triggered mostly from going from indoors to outdoors if that helps. I haven’t played for a long enough period of time to get the crash again.

[crisp plank]

I think Nick is asking about the recent hangs since his changes were merged late last week.

[jagged chasm]

Ah my bad. I guess I can use this as an excuse to play the game more

If I get a spot where it occurs I’ll submit an issue with the save attached. 👍

[crisp plank]

This is the build I believe Darko and BlueAmulet were using when they hit those hangs. https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions/runs/5095209923

[hearty crane]

Dxvk remix #93 memory issue ,confirmed.
i thought having blender in the background messed up my VRAM , but that has nothing to do with this)
Starts with 8Gb cap( i have 3080ti) then after a while goes to 6GB.

Correction:Not dxvk's problem,(reverted to dxvk remix #90) but some issue with GPUs memory.Ets fine after windows restart.I had memory issues with this GPU but it restarts automaticaly and goes back to normal.So ets weird that this never happened within remix before.

[jagged chasm]

PassLights=True
LightRangeMode=0
DisableCulling=True
SunLight=True
VisualSun=True
SkipRenderPass=True
LightIntensity=1000```

[dusty lynx]

1000 wot

[jagged chasm]

The lights were coming in as less than 1 intensity in OV

Sunlight needs to be cranked way up cause it comes in below 0.

Otherwise you won't get any shadows or bounces

[dusty lynx]

but I've been seeing shadows

[jagged chasm]

With actual sunlight amounts there should be a red color bleed on the ground

It does cause overlighting with the rest of the lights though

[hearty crane]

Yes, i have that 4d6dc56-release marked(in my pc) as Crash after 10-20 min.

[dusty lynx]

the intensity option in the build you're using doesn't even affect the sunlight

[jagged chasm]

Well fug

[dusty lynx]

also yeah, new build of helper plugin on github

I added moonlight intensity option and added the intensity factor to the sunlight

[hearty crane]

Someone else test this conf, i got strong pipboy light in Novac Apartment.Also in Nipton Road pit stop but didnt in nipton. NIght stalker cave is messed up with some of the ceeling being emissive, (alpha blended removes this problem).

[jagged chasm]

I had some thought on this, I think it’s something to do with the materials more than the lighting itself.

[keen niche]

I think that, as well. Without proper materials, you only have the global reflection scale.
Hopefully the material converter can work, because the game is capable of decent metallic-like materials, and I believe it could hold up in RTX.

[jagged chasm]

In the mean time it means I get to remix materials

I wish substance handled dds files cause I hate switching back and forth between formats.

I should get the USD workflow of substance working, maybe that’ll be easier than converting back and forth.

[hearty crane]

Pipboy light in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYnr0yzvLqQ

[opal sage]

the game is capable of having kinda decent metallic materials but almost none of the vanilla assets are set up to support it

[opal sage]

I’ve been looking for a plug-in that can handle it for a while with no luck as well lol

[jagged chasm]

I know i can sync painter with ov, but I don’t quite know how to work that out with our setup cause it imports the whole scene.

Wonder if the mdl editor in OV could be used on a per material basis.

[keen niche]

I wonder what that looks like with Wall's positional Pip-Boy light mod?

[jagged chasm]

Okay, so you can get the usd mesh to load easy enough into substance painter

[ornate marlin]

Your gonna paint textures interesting I'm a node substance designer myself

[jagged chasm]

Are you able to use existing textures in substance deisgner?

[ornate marlin]

Yes

Don't know about the file type but generally yes

You can plug them into the right nodes to visualize it correctly too

Base color
Normal
Hight
Ect....

Can even merge or split rgb channels and use curves to isolate aspects of a texture if you want to edit parts of it or recreate it in a more dynamic and tweakable manner

Substance designer is amazing

[jagged chasm]

I wish the mesh.usda stored the UV map instead of making its own.

[jagged chasm]

Oh if I load it into substance painter it auto scales it so that it works

Now only if I knew what I was doing

[jagged chasm]

So I’m thinking the low performance outdoors may be due to how remix handles alpha textures.

[dusk rock]

that lines up with something i ran into on Skyrim

[jagged chasm]

Is the world geometry full of decals there?

[dusk rock]

i was thinking more along the lines of grass and tree textures. the more densely populated an area is with those, the laggier it is

but Skyrim also has other major issues, so i guess don't count on that

[jagged chasm]

Hm. I’ll see what MDL the decals and veg is using. I hope it’s the transparent one cause that would make things a bit easier to change I suppose.

[dusk rock]

grass and foliage is screwed up in Skyrim actually, lots of vertex explosions. so just ignore what i said

[jagged chasm]

Fair enough.

Could it also be the lack of stable geo hashes?

I know that messes up a lot of the temporal systems with lighting

[dusk rock]

i am curious about something though. in Skyrim, we can set the fov to 160, then back to 80. this almost entirely eliminates culling.

i wonder if this works in NV too. i know you guys have that patch already though

[dusk rock]

well, we seem to have managed stable hashes actually. unfortunately there's still some weird stuff going on, so i'm not sure if it's actually stable

but it seems to be

[jagged chasm]

Like in game? Seems like some Bethesda jank

[dusk rock]

yup

just open console, then fov 160 and fov 80

[jagged chasm]

Weird. The only game on this engine that Id expect that is fallout 3.

[dusk rock]

we added this to rtx.conf: rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString = positions,indices,texcoords,geometrydescriptor,vertexlayout

it removes vertexshaders as part of the calculations for geometry hash rendering

[jagged chasm]

Wonder if that’ll work for NV

I’ll try it out after lunch.

[dusk rock]

hopefully it does. it's important to note that this only benefits rendering, not captures

more info here: #1097563444137427056 message

[hearty crane]

Gonna try that in Stalker CS too...

[dusk rock]

Mark put through an update on the remix repo a few days ago to change the way the geometry hash debug view works. it'll now show the geometry hashes for capturing, rather than rendering

that way we can now tell if our captures will work

i did ask for modes for both, as it'd help to know if rendering and captures are stable

#1099591203768504421 message

[dusk rock]

@jagged chasm do you have any ideas about what could be causing the pop-in for geometry and foliage like that? Skyrim's draw distance settings are at max already

[jagged chasm]

Not sure. I don’t have that issue in game. With captures foliage appears as a few pixels for some reason.

[dusk rock]

interesting

we have issues with meshes overlapping and being placed on top of each other in captures

[jagged chasm]

I think that blue amulets mod fixed that with disabling the render pass. I think there’s a way to use console commands to disable some render passes

[dusk rock]

hm

[jagged chasm]

I know he based his mod off of TES reloaded, so you might be able to get an equivalent for Skyrim working if there’s someone experienced with it.

[dusk rock]

blue offered to give it a shot, so i'm patiently waiting

hopefully that works out. if not, i'll have to venture into the depth of the skyrim modding community 😛

we have lots of areas like this without any foliage or rocks. i'm pretty sure there's supposed to be some...

also i think NV uses terrain blending?

if so, Mark said this: #1113472651277652028 message

i'm about to try it for Skyrim

did nothing 😦

[jagged chasm]

How does the new terrain blending work?

[dusk rock]

unfortunately that's all the info i've seen on it

i didn't even know it was replaced until that comment

i think we need release builds more often to document improvements like this

it's already been almost a month since 0.2.0

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/commit/62b0956f01b765dcb5311247af2f1640d6dc15b2

seems like it may have been this

[jagged chasm]

So stable hashes helped a bit but not anything to write home about

I still think this this may be the issue that causes the most, a lot of textures that should be opaque seem to get marked as transparent by remix

[summer cargo]

Does it have to do with the fade in effect the game does for LoD objects?

[jagged chasm]

Not sure, might be though now that you say that

I don't quite know how to disable that

[dusk rock]

what were you hoping it would help with? also what did it actually help with, i'm curious

[dusk rock]

this?

[jagged chasm]

Nah just fps in general

[dusk rock]

ah, yeah. it wouldn't help with that afaik, just rendering issues/glitches

[jagged chasm]

Seems the disabling culling still causes insane performance issues

Disabling that and doing the FOV trick seem to be a good in between

[dusk rock]

does the FOV trick work in NV too?

[jagged chasm]

I think so

[dusk rock]

and what did it help with?

sorry for all the questions, lmao. trying to gather info

i wanna do a write up on some of the geometry hash stuff at some point

[jagged chasm]

It went up by a fraction of FPS I believe. Like .2

[dusk rock]

i guess if it fixed some glitchy rendering (even if it wasn't visible) that'd make sense. weird though

also is this the latest build of Remix?

[jagged chasm]

Correct

[dusk rock]

okay. in that case, i think your captures should also be stable given that geometry hash debug view

[jagged chasm]

As in comparing hashes between captures?

[dusk rock]

using captures to replace meshes or similar

the mesh hashes shouldn't change with a stable geometry hash from my understanding

it's possible that part was always stable too. the reason i asked about the Remix build was the change Mark made here: #1099591203768504421 message

i'm probably not being very clear right now, sorry. i'm preoccupied

[jagged chasm]

Ah, I'll try adding a light to a mesh and see what comes of it 👍

[jagged chasm]

Welp that solved that

Now let's see if this works

I'm going to disable Blue's RTX mod to make sure it's just the modusda attempting to create a light

Doesn't stick in the right place as previously expected.

[dusk rock]

ugh

same issue as Skyrim and Barnyard

i did open an issue for that already, nothing has come of it yet

if you want to add to it @jagged chasm: https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/181

[fervent sinew]

is it runtime's problem?

[jagged chasm]

I think it's a shader capture problem

[dusk rock]

yeah

it's definitely something with shaders

all of the games that have this issue use shaders for the terrain

[brazen oyster]

you know what scares me

the lighting looks so flat, it looks identical to FO4

[opal crystal]

tbh it looks a bit like F4NV's take sunset sarsaprilla place.

And no, I can't share the video of it for comparison, it was shared to me in confidence.

[fervent sinew]

this wasn't shared to me in confidence and it surly resembles it, it's amazing

[opal crystal]

Indeed, it does.

[dusty apex]

Nah homie, I gotchu.

Ah wait, can't share the video but I can share some of the assets I've made

Anyways, any of the models I make for F4NV can be used by modder's here for remix

[fervent sinew]

damn no leaks 😦

[dusty apex]

Nope, but I can give you some info. The SSHQ I'm working on is in beta, and hopefully this October I'll post some screenshots and have all the props and maybe Festus done. Currently just trying to learn and find information about custom skeletons for FO4

[winged osprey]

Not sure if that helps, but there is a mod that removes all “fake” lights that are not attached to a mesh. There is also a mod that attaches lights a to all meshes that should have it

[jagged chasm]

Eh, I just slapped a disc light in there. Didn't really try to make it pretty

[brazen oyster]

nah, it's not really Remix specific

I get the same feeling, just inverted, when I look at NVR

except that NVR looks better than FO4

but it really hits this "damn, FO4 is just FNV with shadows"

the materials are hardly changed, despite the new renderer

[jagged chasm]

I'd imagine they kept their same willy wonka esque texture pipeline in FO4 since it seems to work for them in production.

The render is still the same in FO4, just modified a ton right?

I guess I'll take the trigger word of "lighting looks flat" to start researching the lighting design in video games.

[brazen oyster]

no

FNV uses a wild mix of BSBatchRenderer for the... rendering, and NiDX9Renderer for D3D9

Oblivion doesn't have a batch renderer at all iirc

with Skyrim's Creation Engine, Bethesda moved from Gamebryo as far as possible

I mean, they were already super far

so Skyrim and later have BSRenderer handling everything

So the only thing left from Gamebryo is scenegraph building

[brazen oyster]

btw, don't let the name fool you

geometry is not batched

[boreal timber]

it is essentially the same as skyrim, except with an added roughness map. which just switches to lower res mipmaps on the environment map with greater levels of roughness

[brazen oyster]

it's only sorted

[jagged chasm]

Oh so it looking like FO4 is pretty wild then. That's quite a jump to make for it to make.

[boreal timber]

although i think skyrim had much better normal maps when combined with cubemaps than NV did

[brazen oyster]

yea esp as FO4 is the first title to use a mixed renderer

it uses forward and deferred

everything prior was forward

[jagged chasm]

Even with the mod usda with the games original materials ported over to remix?

[brazen oyster]

so like, that got overhauled

material system got overhauled af too

but materials themselves?

stayed pretty much similar

[boreal timber]

sorry, what do you mean?

[brazen oyster]

esp as cubemap shaders are broken by default

they are a bit better with 3.0 shaders, but the normal map influence is still weak

[jagged chasm]

Blue wrote a script to create a mod usda for FNV that ports the original textures/materials over to remix. So the games orginal normals/metalic etc can be used rather than need to be recreated. I think they look really good for the game's age.

[boreal timber]

they'll definitely look better but without baked normal maps they won't really touch anything from the last ten years or so

the assets are way too dated

luckily there are plenty available from the community, and it's a very easy platform to replace assets for

even without remix eventually adding that functionality

which is why i'm excited for remix to work with beth's games

[jagged chasm]

Is there any examples of assets with higher quality baked normal maps I could try out?

[boreal timber]

many, it's kinda difficult to give specific suggestions

especially in terms of weapons, there are plenty of high quality replacers around

this guy also does reduxes of various environment art https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/users/90554463

[jagged chasm]

Using Blue's script, we can actually change the textures really easily and during runtime.

For an asset that replaces a mesh with a better quality one I think we'd have to install it as a mod and get the new mat_hash from it to make it work though.

I'll try seeing what kind of workflow is needed to bring them in

[opal sage]

But the problem is most vanilla assets lack a metallic + gloss map lol

[opal sage]

You can make one based off assuming metallic + height from a mix of the base color and normal

it’s kinda messy but it sorta works

I made a substance designer workflow that produces a gloss map from the height while mixing in base color details

[opal sage]

(I can send it when I get home)

Bale disagrees on its usefulness cuz he just remakes what he wants from scratch with completely new models and textures lol

[tulip hill]

Feel free to use any of my work for this project, if source files are needed I can provide those too

[opal crystal]

Its back, the legal issues have been solved, the DRM is reimplemented back in.
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/81281?tab=description

[dusk rock]

oo nice

[little wave]

Hey, have you guys managed to add Lights ingame through Create?

[stuck harness]

well lets see how this goes

[fervent sinew]

good game anyway

[stuck harness]

is there a rtx.conf file?

[opal crystal]

This will probably be useful for you,
#1106553248590090351 message

[stuck harness]

so my game just looks like a normal map

[boreal timber]

everything seems pretty normal here...

[hearty crane]

Alot of Nuka Quantum was spilled

[stuck harness]

Yeah I've got no clue though all I've done is toss in an updated dxvk and bridge 4gb patch and rtx helper

[hearty crane]

@stuck harness If you wan to explore a bit a see how et looks, disable alpha blended.That should eliminate the normal maps.Caveat : you loose some of the props , geometry like bottles, trex toys etc..

[stuck harness]

so how was outside 'fixed'?

[hearty crane]

I dont know exactly, blueamulet or adamplayer should know

[jagged chasm]

Magic Blue would know more than me.

[ornate marlin]

Been dark how are things?

[opal crystal]

At least two 3d modelers have offered to let their models be used as good replacements for base game models.

[ornate marlin]

nice, I assume the lull is also just waiting for updates to Remiz for some hopefully better and more consistent compatability

[jagged chasm]

Since hashes aren’t stable enough for replacements/modifications, as far as I know the only thing that’s still low hanging fruit is adding metallic maps to textures.

[north sequoia]

Have you tried changing the hash string to make them stable?

[jagged chasm]

Yes but then they’re relative to the player position

[north sequoia]

Ahh

What string did you use?

[jagged chasm]

#1106553248590090351 message

[north sequoia]

Have you tried removing positions or texcoords?

[jagged chasm]

No, not yet.

[little wave]

I also offer my 3d skills

When model replacements are easy enough to do

[manic stone]

i followed the guide and tried rtx. the game now runs at a juicy 4 fps, i run out of vram even though i have 11 gigs and the scene will either go purple or start shaking. what am i doing wrong?

its not my setup either since i run a dual 2080ti with an nvlink bridge

should i enable culling or someting?

[jagged chasm]

Yea. The removal of culling is hard on the system

[manic stone]

ok. ill re enable it and try again. btw, when this is finished, will it come fully packed as a mod rather than a bunch of smaller mods and sets of instructions?

its not difficult to install, i just feel like i forget stuff.

[jagged chasm]

[buoyant heart]

Tried the guide with my preexisting TTW and everything is silver

[opal crystal]

I wonder is it possible to have RTX Remix run without ray tracing or any graphics changes but still be able to get DLSS running through it?

[fervent void]

As of right now, the answer is no. That may change in the future, but I am not sure what the point would really be. After all, any card that can use RTX Remix would be able to run any game that it supports without RTX Remix and still reach a more than sufficient framerate without needing DLSS, especially given the age of the games in question.

[opal crystal]

I just like DLAA.

[signal wave]

not to be rude but is there any progress?

[jagged chasm]

Nah, not at least from me

[dusk rock]

i think most projects are waiting now for the proper toolkit

doing it right now is just inefficient compared to that (i'd hope, at least)

[summer cargo]

At least as far as the base level of compatibility goes, chances are it'll go from 0% to 97% completion in the span of a couple of days. 😛

[signal wave]

Nice

[stuck harness]

i got addicted to the game 💀

[fervent sinew]

ncr? legionary? lonesome? Tell Us

[keen niche]

Those are rookie numbers.

[stuck harness]

Well considering i bought the game just a week ago

[opal crystal]

Only finished one ending myself, plan to do another few someday,

[stuck harness]

not sure if it is just me but the tick fix mod seems to help a fair bit with fps

[craggy crag]

Yeah, I believe it's because the engine's vsync and ticks per second are mismatched. NV is weird...

[summer cargo]

Do you mean to tell me a game by Bethesda and Obsidian has bugs?

[craggy crag]

Bethesda / Obsidian bugs are just built different

[stuck harness]

And also not sure if it is just me but vats seems to somehow be broken as it always has 0% hit chance

[jagged chasm]

Yes it relies on a shader I believe.

[novel herald]

the hit chances are calculated in the shader?!?!

[brazen oyster]

no

they are done through occlusion queries

[manic stone]

that seems really stupid

[knotty oxide]

That Bethesda engine quality

[brazen oyster]

why

it's literally the only proper way to check visual occlusion

[stuck harness]

How did you get everything to look normal with alpha blended

[keen niche]

I don't know about them, but I went through and marked loads of applicable textures with 'Legacy Cutout', and that looks pretty decent.

[stuck harness]

also what mods are you using?

[stuck harness]

has anyone had an issue where some captures contain nothing
where in the screenshot anything that is 1kb in size is an empty capture

[jagged chasm]

Yes, you have to take them twice sometimes depending on the game

[random night]

In Garry's mod it crashes remix

[gusty kraken]

Sometimes you need to wait a while. In NFSU2 I hit capture and leave the game open with enhancements off and wait. After a few seconds (5-20, depending on scene complexity) the 1kb file turns into something

[random night]

No like
It crashes entirely

For me

The game is still on

But bridge crashes

[stuck harness]

yeah that is what also happens

but it seems to only happen in that one spot (the cave to the honest hearts dlc)

[stuck harness]

tried to improve the power armour with pbr

[gusty kraken]

try checking the <Game_Exe_name>_d3d9.log, see if it has any logs about the crash

[summer cargo]

Make sure you have .trex/usd installed from the full RTX Remix release, it's not included with DXVK-Remix actions.

[random night]

I do have it

[stuck harness]

Is the a fix to the captures being sideways.

[random night]

Z is up

Toggle that

[stuck harness]

Where is that?

because i think i have tried that and it doesn't work if it is the one in paramter settings

[copper dome]

#1096847508002590760 message

[copper dome]

^

[dusk rock]

if this is for Barnyard, no

but for NV, the fix above should indeed work

worked fine when i did it

[stuck harness]

i know barnyard is just like that because how it is in the game files but i'll show the issue

and it is for new vegas

and it is still sideways

[copper dome]

Click on your world layer in omniverse and set the up axis there as well

Oh I see you have. You have y as up but it's sideways so z is up

[stuck harness]

like this?

[copper dome]

You maybe have to reload it if it didn't change up axis

I had same problem, fixed it with that.

[gusty kraken]

• If stuff is sideways, should change Z up marker on/off
• If stuff is upside down, should change the Right Hand marker on/off

Each game has a combination of the 2

[hearty crane]

In omniverse...

[ornate marlin]

What's this?

[hearty crane]

Fallout NewVegas in omniverse, Prospector's Saloon.Easy Pete's Chair i think

[ornate marlin]

So not in game?

[hearty crane]

Yes, Not ingame. Not Yet...

[hearty crane]

This one is ingame. At least glass is not so difficult to exchange. But separating two meshes with inherited materials, that i do not know.

[jagged chasm]

You break apart the mesh, only one material per mesh

Then do a mesh replacement and have it reference both xforms.

[gusty kraken]

I just made a single export from blender containing 2 meshes and added a single reference to a single xform. Works the same. The mesh must also be opened and have different materials for each mesh part

[hearty crane]

That Anti killing is really powerful, thanks to blueamulet,
just 1 capture from goodsprings and the entire map is captured with the main landmarks

[jagged chasm]

It does just bypass every form of culling in the game

[hearty crane]

No more Fish tiles.
Clarification:Water has tranparent shader with IOR. will upload short vid...

[stuck harness]

I couldn't imagine the fps

[fresh belfry]

( furious "Capture" clicking intensifies )

[fervent sinew]

watch me do

[hearty crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VQlGHZztbg

Dont know if those subtle waves are from denoiser or what.
The dual layer on water normals thingy doesnt do anything to remove/add em.Only the water normals slider have some effect

[hearty crane]

E-splain THIS!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv76pamwM90

[lavish isle]

is the ingame reflections interfering or was suppose to be like that?

[hearty crane]

@lavish isle They are upside down and i have no clue why. In Omniverse et looks like a movie

[lavish isle]

wheres the z position?

is it backwards from where the game engine set it?

there had to be a reason they set it like that in the game engine while making the game

usually the terrain is on its side in omni starting out

as for the models

zup is on right?

[hearty crane]

I see Capture's axis, Z
Mod.usda , Y
I was switcing previous just to make et posible for navigation

[lavish isle]

yea the navigation part edit might be the cause

mod should be z

after done

[hearty crane]

I put both world axis in Z , will test again now

[hearty crane]

No change in reflections axis projection but i think at least selecting catmullclark for the geometry makes et way better. Weird that like sometimes the change doesnt register or something...
Settings in parameters dont change much either.None ,In view, in world view doesnt really matter in this case

[lavish isle]

so the window model is zup as well?

or house?

[hearty crane]

how do i check that? i see orientation lefthanded (or righthanded)

[lavish isle]

the models are also captured in usd's

for example

[hearty crane]

so look for the mesh in stage ?

[lavish isle]

yea

the numbers are sorted by texture

for the model

dont forget you can also flip in blender

[hearty crane]

@lavish isle Thanks for the help man. I know i can do stuff in Blender with these but i easily mess things up when connecting those two.Still got to try.

[lavish isle]

np

ik im doing oblivion but other games need love too lol

[olive charm]

do you need all the DLCs for it to work?

[stuck harness]

for remix no

[rustic pine]

||i've done it, after a long walk all the way around the map.||

[stuck harness]

?

[rustic pine]

i had gotten out the map via this hole next to crescent canyon and walked all the way around the map until i got to the fort, walked around to the inaccessible area.
(took me a good 2 ish hours to walk all the way around the map)

[stuck harness]

Couldn't you have just done the quest

[rustic pine]

can't go back.
doing the quest, is the last to go.
||the location can't be discovered until you've accepted to battle, which you can't come back from.||
which is something i hate about this game, compared to the 3rd game.

you can discover the location pre

by doing what i did.

but nothing special really is over there.

---not fully related, but im suprised how much area is out of the map.

[hearty crane]

Issue with the upsidedown reflection solved. Easy...
Disable the "capture Normals from shader"
All normals looked ..abnormal... not just on windows.
@lavish isle

A small glimpse...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itGtW_4tLUo
remix crashes from the anticulling(runs no problem with culling) when rotating the view from about 90 to 180grades. The loading of geometry probably shutdown remix.Game continues on in the background.

[subtle drift]

I have a problem. I can pull up the RTX remix overlay in game, but my keyboard or mouse do not work. Any help would be appreciated.

[hearty crane]

@subtle drift
You should ask/search in #1095455547748257862
But anyway...
go to Bridge.conf(trex folder)
try these(remove "#" in front of them)

client.overrideCustomWinHooks = False
client.DirectInput.forwardMessages = True

or
client.overrideCustomWinHooks = True
And so on

[subtle drift]

So I made the adjustments, but it still is not letting me move in the overlay menu. Fallout NV does move the mouse and keyboard in game. Just not in the overlay.

[hearty crane]

@subtle drift wait!... my mistake...i mixed up the commands . These two:
client.DirectInput.forwardMessages = True
And
client.DirectInput.disableExclusiveInput = False

If they dont help, someone mentioned some months ago to try and find keyboard an mouse input commands in the fallout.ini (or is et falloutcustom.ini not sure)

[subtle drift]

I got it working. Thanks.

[rustic pine]

game crashes a few minutes in with remix installed.

...actually about the second i scroll a little down on the texture list.

[hearty crane]

Try the "remix-mbc_hack" from BlueAmulet,Might help.

[wintry agate]

Looks like we'll need to get rid of culling with game specific patches

@jagged chasm Have you take a look on this?

[jagged chasm]

BlueAmulet made a patch for this game that removes culling entirely

[hearty crane]

@wintry agate Already had FNVpatch applied.
Tho 🤔 im wondering about the 4gb patch "from oblivion"...is there a difference if you apply to the exe, or do you have to apply to the script extender? same?

[lavish isle]

theres one for fnv on nexus

a patcher

4gb patchers the same

the one for fnv looks for the exe is all

[wintry agate]

I thought you were using the anti-culling function of remix seeing the video you posted

[hearty crane]

Nah, that doesnt work.I suppose you know. The anti culling (NewVegasRTXLight.dll)is custom made by BlueAmulet for New Vegas

[hearty crane]

https://youtu.be/ESXaTPoHQ08

[crystal hazel]

video unavailable

[wintry agate]

It is avilable for me?

[hearty crane]

Jukebox playing American song unavailable in russia 😁

[crystal hazel]

I looked through vpn)

[craggy crag]

You people are ridiculous...

In a good way of course

[hearty crane]

Mark this conf!!!+ Anticulling( blue amulet) + DXVK-remix #231
Uploading Vid to Utube...

Changed the heap size parameters and other memory commands (dont know what im doing but et worked,just like the good old times)
Was crashing previously in seconds, (1 minute at the most)

[hearty crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UX4DtJ-B9c

Got somewhat excited cause the performance was terrible with the anticulling(older dxvk-remix).now seems better. Slightly, but still... Might be the newer DXVK-Remix

[fervent sinew]

Darko my beloved

[reef siren]

Doing the good work

[hearty crane]

Nevermind..remix starts acting the same crashing after short while, while game still runs in the background.This might be cause there is alot of NPC and geometry on the strip.I guess

[wintry agate]

Damn

[rustic pine]

that's why you watch it on youtube.

[random night]

Wait is this rtx remix anti culling or a mod?

We don't have to render the whole world if its a mod

[hearty crane]

mod from BlueAmulet,Not from remix!

[random night]

Hmm

Rendering the entire open world is not a good idea

[hearty crane]

Yes, thats why the performance is pretty bad.At least outside.And some bigger interiors struggle too

[granite gate]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-the-simpsons-at-least-you-tried-fail-failure-gif-7859548

[hearty crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-xiA3NQ0gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwKrLQHr6j8

[stuck harness]

Tried the new POM in remix on the rocks

[dusk rock]

looks fuzzy somehow

it's gonna make detailing terrain and objects so much easier though

[stuck harness]

Well it was generated with the chain i posted

[stuck harness]

I might give it more of a blur

[stuck harness]

with more blur on the map

[dusk rock]

looks much better now

very nice

[polar prawn]

wake up

Remix 0.3 is out!

[ornate marlin]

It is supposed to have better shader and culling support so hopefully it can start to actually be used and shipped

[polar prawn]

hold on maybe I'll have to uninstall my 150 mods

[polar prawn]

This is supposed to be vanilla, Epic Store version

crap I forgot about xNVSE

something crashes when I open a container, can't tell if it's the game or NVbridge

[barren raft]

could be the game depending on mods, there are some current known crashes related to looting and containers

[polar prawn]

even on a 100% vanilla install?

[barren raft]

well I said "depending on mods", so no 😄

does any other instance where the game goes into menu mode crash?

[polar prawn]

for testing purposes I loaded back all my mods, loaded my modded save and I could open containers normally, huh

I get a huge framerate hit switching to third person, and VATS causes the bridge to crash

[barren raft]

the game does weird stuff in both occasions, so that makes some sense

[dusty lynx]

@polar prawn worth noting xNVSE doesn't support the Epic Store version unless you use a patcher to downgrade it to the original exe

[polar prawn]

Yes I know, that's how I have 150 mods on my NV

[summer cargo]

@polar prawn I'm noticing your screenshots are still very distorted, one thing you'll need to do to make this game render correctly is follow the instructions to strip out normal maps from the rendering pipeline (if memory serves correctly the fullbright (tlb) command covers this. Once you're only seeing Legacy assets, those mats can be replaced to reincorporate the normals but in the proper Remix format.

[polar prawn]

Ok that produced some interesting results

Now I need to play with the lights settings on the step 2 tab

[polar prawn]

In World Transform seems to give the most stable image

I noticed no lights are detected by the renderer so I'll download RTXHelper and hope it doesn't fry my poor laptop

[polar prawn]

aw this is how it looks with RTX Helper and tlb

[signal wave]

is this still get worked on?

[sudden cave]

sooooooo has anyone managed progress or started a project for this?

or we still waiting for Nvidia to do more worried Remix might be dead lol

[jagged chasm]

Performance is likely too bad to really do much beyond proof of concept at this point.

[tulip vector]

its this, gog version

[tulip vector]

i tried rtx.skyBoxTextures = but its better not fixed

[tulip vector]

i have also downloaded amuletblue's rtx.conf file

im in the shadow realm

[polar prawn]

Did you try to use the tlb command?

[hearty crane]

See if this is any better @tulip vector

[tulip vector]

It’s been “fixed” now it just crashes when doing anything including alt+tab

[hearty crane]

Have you tried the remix-mbc_hack from blueamulet? (although thats more for memory issues ,but i dont know it might help)

[reef crescent]

Are there any videos showcasing progress or anything at all ? Very interested in this

[polar prawn]

Development pretty much stopped until Remix is improved enough to work with the game without crashing constantly

[little wave]

fire in the hole🗣️🗣️

[hearty crane]

This is months old (didnt post it here i think) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z2faEACpWc
The second is Fresh but no progress made since then, just a test with new DXVK and anticulling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KQun56El4c

[sudden cave]

wonder if open beta release will help

[jagged chasm]

Im starting to realize just how held back the creation engine has been from its lighting. The stock materials with path traced lighting look so good.

[north sequoia]

That version is going to be basically no different from the GitHub actions builds you can download right now

[hearty crane]

I agree.Thats why i comeback to this one.Fallout3 is my favorite not NewVegas(i like et but not as much).
Some of these textures are from a texture pack tho. NMCs_Texture_Pack_For_New_Vegas
Also I dont think the pack covers all textures

I also learned (after all this time 😁 ) that material scale for Roughness and Metalic must be on 1(it is the default for a reason) not 0.5.
Thats the reason some textures look wrong.

[sudden cave]

ah so unlikley this will be functional for a long while

[fresh belfry]

Do we actually know anything about the open beta that's coming out? Is it like the auto PBR generation stuff or..?

I guess I can just wait 24 hours and check myself 😂

[lavish isle]

tales of 2 wastelands is a mod to add 3 and new vegas together if you wana try it as well

[stuck sigil]

I have a super stable mod list right now with ttw and I wanna get remix working for NV real bad

[lavish isle]

hey darko any possible way i can get your rtx with the settings only? gonna see if some are compatible with my oblivion project if you dont mind that is

[hearty crane]

@lavish isle

I know , i had TTW and ran F3 with Remix many months ago(when geometry was earthquaking,them olden days) , instalations got messed up or something and i cant rack my brain to install that again. Dont even know how i succeeded the first time 😄
picture proof from cantenbury commons:

[lavish isle]

ty

[stuck sigil]

Thanks @hearty crane I'm gonna play around with that .conf and see what I can get done with it!

[stuck sigil]

@hearty crane sorry to bother you but im getting a black screen after loading into game

[hearty crane]

rtx menu doesnt appear with Alt+X?

@stuck sigil

[stuck sigil]

no it does it's just the screen is black after loading my save. i fixed it yesterday but im not exactly sure how i did tho

like remix is working fine actually just fallout being funky as usual

@hearty crane

[hearty crane]

hm... dont have an sugestion/idea at the moment

maybe... its the same issue like with stalker... at the beggining of a save the world is dark. In the beggining there was the word. and The Most High said let there be light which for stalker mean to go to game setup then step2-parameters(i think) and find that camera view option which refreshes the sky emissive

Fused world-view mode. Try fliping between the three modes to see if that does anything

[stuck sigil]

i switched between them and no dice it doesnt even react to it. it seems like its acting as if there isnt a sky

[lavish isle]

volumetric lighting?

[stuck sigil]

i have the game on the lowest settings unless im missing something

[hearty crane]

When you are in texture selction mode (gamesetup->Step1) can you see any outline of geometry when you hover with the mouse in game?

[stuck sigil]

yes that works

[hearty crane]

wait...did you use all the requirements with nvse and everything described in the main post?

the UI from the game appears?

[stuck sigil]

yeah hold on i'll send a screenshot

[hearty crane]

go to rendering->Lighing tab see if direct and indirect are off

[stuck sigil]

yeah they are on

i may do a reinstall and see if that helps out

[hearty crane]

select ANY geometry and mark it as World space UI, that should make et emissive, just as a test

[stuck sigil]

better now i can actually see

i've noticed in some games if you do that it just completely removes remix

[hearty crane]

something is marked as UI that shouldnt be,and that is the current state of the game. in one moment everything is fine, next turn of the camera another texture gets in the pipe and stuff gets un traced

[stuck sigil]

ahh makes sense

[hearty crane]

and if you solve that moment...next moment another problem appears

😄

[stuck sigil]

but i'll probably start with a fresh install you know fallout anything thats been remotely touched will break something

[hearty crane]

no joke. With certain grass/vegetation texture for example in NewVegas to be precise

[stuck sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-type-gif-12887050769461502535

the devs at bgs be like

i will report back when i get everything set up again!

thank you though for all the assistance i'm still super new at remix but nv is my all time favorite game so remix would just make me dump another dumb amount of hours back into this game

[hearty crane]

Dont thank me.Thank The Engineers from Nvidia , AdamPlayer and BlueAmulet otherwise this wouldn't work

[stuck sigil]

i mean you gotta take some credit too my man, those videos you put out get me so hyped to start working on this. and also what gpu you rocking. because ive noticed that the frames weren't the greatest

and do i need to still follow the viva new vegas set up i know that you gotta do the usual with bethini and cleaning the .esp's and what not

[hearty crane]

In this case its not the gpu fault, if you refer to that last video i posted. Its the CPU and most likely the game engine itself, the FPS is terrible cause the anticulling from BlueAmulet is ON.Thats why i was testing ,to see howmuch geometry gets retained in the reflections.

[stuck sigil]

it looked super good, was thoroughly impressed

[hearty crane]

you get in a small space(the apartment in Novac or like in the video, the lobby to Vault 21) and the Fans on GPU start blowin! cause very little geometry being called by cpu(as far as i comprehend , ive said many times im not a technical person/programer)

[stuck sigil]

aye bro same but hopefully remix will become more stable

because it's definitely got its quarks

[hearty crane]

Yeah thats another thing, they did make it better /newer dxvk builds, cause with the anti culling , couple of seconds or minutes(it was somewhat random) and... crash.Some sort of memory issues.

[stuck sigil]

gotta love the creation engine

[hearty crane]

Heres the bridge conf from trex. there are couple of Memory commands i enabled.Maybe thats why it doesnt crash.

if anyone needs it

[stuck sigil]

how do you turn shaders off?

im getting this now

[jagged chasm]

Seems right for new Vegas

It’s very temperamental

[stuck sigil]

that and when i look a certin direction its just goes black

[mellow shell]

I'm just fucking around with Oblivion right now because food is cooking, lmfao, but I've found disabling a few fog overlay textures fixes most of it for some reason.

"Emissive Blend Override" seems to fix the rest of it. @stuck sigil

[stuck sigil]

sweet i'll give it a try real quick

i think i borked it

even though is still super basic it just looks so good

@mellow shell i could not find that setting

[hearty crane]

rendering->alpha test/blending

[lavish isle]

hey @hearty crane any tips or can steal you to help for amusement on the #1097339713062441031 project. some tips would be great because it is almost the same as fallout 3 or NV?

[hearty crane]

@lavish isle What chu got?

[lavish isle]

just some render issues, thought maybe some tips would come in handy. we have lights missing, the hair colors do not match and alpha blend off makes everyone bald

we also crash probably more than fallout right now

[lavish isle]

also,

[hearty crane]

The crashing might be solved by that old "remix-mbc_hack" from BlueAmulet try that,its universal.
Today i Started Skyrim after a long time and was crashing at startup...that solved it.
in bridge.conf try the commands in from this image. sharedHeapDefaultSegmentSize = 1GB ; i used 512MB for SWAT4 way back when and did help for crashing .

The lights missing i cant help at all cause NV uses custom dlls from BlueAmulet where the ingame lights are being translated in Direct Lights.
If you really want see (or make screnshots) you have to make em emissive in omniverse/ toolkit and maybe use the NEE option(in lighting tab) to bump the emissivenes.

Hair colors and stuff are also a mess in NV, i dont know how that system works at all in The base game. Notice in the showcase pics easy pete for exaplme, he is missing his melanin on his skin. So the base model of all NPC is rendered but the other layer on top of that for the variations is missing(as far as i see)

[lavish isle]

k

[hearty crane]

Maybe the body is selected as UI or something else

[lavish isle]

player model body

[hearty crane]

if you deselect it as player model body? does it look pathtraced?

[lavish isle]

no

[hearty crane]

there are those like dark non descriptive "textures" that are shaders or layers of something those might be remiving the pathtracing from cetrain geo.

its a chasing your own tail kind of tale

Same with skyrim if, you make the weapon models (1st person) look pathtraced ,something else will be messed up

[lavish isle]

npc next door is fine though

[hearty crane]

so not all weapon models in NewVegas are path traced in my case. Plasma rifle is not(some shader issue)

[lavish isle]

when is first person it looks like the player model is in front of me

[hearty crane]

The 5.56 Machine gun is, as my last choppy video showed