NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[jade briar]

Do not install wide-screen fix separately

It's included in the mod

[pale river]

its not in program files

i reverted the entire mod and the game launched

stupid codec

cba to reenc

[cloud crypt]

Discord only can handle h264x

No av1, no hevc etc

[cloud crypt]

Anyone in here tested? If so, are there any problems/bugs?

[copper spire]

can anyone share their settings on nfsu2 remix?

[jade briar]

hwat settingsd

[white talon]

On 4060 and Ryzen 3600 ITS Full playable, now Just wait some nerds finish the mod kkkk

[vague sparrow]

are you getting stable 60fps with proper framepacing with this mod?

[velvet rivet]

Reportedly can't hit 60 on a 4070S so def not

[vivid thicket]

me when

[open atlas]

@cloud crypt is there any chance of getting the garages extended to support 32:9 if i give you captures of those screens on my computer? they dont extend to fill the screen and just show black past the box where the background is modelled in the base game

[tawny elk]

Yes that's planned.

[open atlas]

do you need any captures of the garages on a 32:9 monitor?

[cloud crypt]

No

[jade briar]

That doesn't make a difference

[whole lion]

wild cause im getting a solid 90 fps on a 4070ti

[velvet rivet]

no frame gen?

[whole lion]

sometimes without frame gen it can get there but with it off its usually 60-80 ish kinda fluctuates, no dlss either, theres been lots of stuff where people with similar specs to me get awful performance on games but i luck out and never have those issues so idk what could be the cause

[jade briar]

I'm getting 50-60 fps on a 4090 no dlss, dlfg, 1440p

[velvet rivet]

might be better CPU than the other report idk

[lusty storm]

We got a new version and nobody mentioned it here?

[balmy chasm]

Which one are you talking about?

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

New version?

Where?

I'm excited

[dusty grove]

Jokes a side, implementation of hemry roughness.usda (car reflections), and sky box fix would be really nice (with default cfg, some sky textures aren't assigned as sky - as result of that they flicker black in some specific parts of the map - hellreven fixed that).

[lusty storm]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/need-for-speed-underground-rtx-remix/downloads/nfs-underground-rtx-v004a

I get it now lol, sorry

[jade briar]

Not the right game, but okay

[velvet rivet]

maybe the parenthesis should be at the beginning and not the end so it's easier to see that it's specifically 2

Clueless

even with a thinner font it's cut off

[vague sparrow]

maybe just Underground 2

@tawny elk can you edit the post title if it’s possible sorry for the ping Adam, Kim solved it

[velvet rivet]

as long as it's visible

NFSU2 would be more identifiable

[ember cobalt]

NFSU2 or NFS Underground 2 imo

[vague sparrow]

Also what discord client is this

[vague sparrow]

NFS Underground 2 seems better

[velvet rivet]

it's just custom css

[ember cobalt]

the problem is Discord doesn't have matching. someone typing Need for Speed won't show this thread for example if we shorten only to NFS

[velvet rivet]

I'll dm you the themes if you want

[velvet rivet]

that's why I said to just put it first

[ember cobalt]

NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

like magic

[vague sparrow]

Please do

this looks fine as well

[cobalt peak]

Why does he only have 16GB vram 💀

He probably took the 'let him cook' literally and put his 4090 in the oven

[tender fog]

hi, this not work for me

[slender arch]

because this one is designed for u1

meanwhile this channel is for u2

[torpid zodiac]

Is nfsu2 lights issue fixed yet?

Been a long time since I last checked

[vague sparrow]

You mean the culling issue where the lights behind your car disappear? That’s been fixed ages ago

[torpid zodiac]

oh wow

Gotta give another spin to the project

[wild radish]

Saving the rest for later

[versed flower]

Hi everyone, I did everything according to the instructions. The game starts and crash after the "Load Complete" window. How to fix it? If this has been fixed, please re-post this message here again.

[sour mulch]

Same here tho someone said it because you have non american copy of the game. Maybe it will work if you will find that one

[versed flower]

I installed EU version

[sour mulch]

But you have to install american one

[cloud crypt]

u need US one to make it work

atleast for the scripts, since it wont work without widescreen fix and anticulling script

[versed flower]

thx, it's works

[solemn salmon]

It works fine on my EU one. Widescreen works fine, and You can turn on the RTX Anticulling of lights, which does the job (but still the draw distance is a pain). The problem of crashing lies within the version of the game, and the .exe of it.

[cloud crypt]

Widescreenfix only works with hoodlum 1.2 us exe

[trail quail]

Modelling some of the body kits for the 350z atm bringing the details up to more modern standards

Might remodel some of the cars if people wanna see that

[ember river]

Oh, thats pretty cool. I was planning on remodelling the rachel's 350z at first. Would you mind working on that one? I can send you the captured files if you're up to. Only thing is, you can't rework their UV map. The new mesh should map to the same places in the original UV map since it needs to use the game's generated texture

[trail quail]

Oh yeah I can do that!

Feel free to send the file when you can

We also in other things have the .blend file for anyone wanting to do the midpoly for the stage 3 brake kit

in or WIPs under showcase

our*

[ember river]

Ahh yeah, I saw that and didn't have time to comment. Stellar job on the brake disks too

[trail quail]

Thanks there were som things a bit off but for a first attempt I think it is still an improvement over the original imho

I did scale them up but when the midpoly is done I can put it at scale of the game models

Only because I did not know plasticitys scaling at first (an easy fix tho)

[ember river]

Scaling for remix is game-dependent anyway. Old engines used some weird units for scaling objects specially for working around numerical precision.
U2 uses a 2x scale afaik. Assets capture in half-life 2 are 100x times bigger roughly. I believe traggey mentioned Silent Hill being 10,000x

[trail quail]

Yeah we noticed that U2s assets are tiny

[jade briar]

How many of y'all are working on the car model?

[earnest plinth]

What was the setting change to fix this again when using the Ray Reconstruction remix version?

[dusty grove]

In game graphics settings > car neon / undershadow > lowest possible setting (off)

[earnest plinth]

tyvm ❤️

[ember river]

Just me afaik, although I didn't mention anywhere

Thats a good thing. I'd like to focus on some other things

[wintry fable]

unbound have some widebody in high quality

idk if that helps at all

[surreal ruin]

Can't just steal stuff from other games

We're can't distribute stolen assets 🙂

[ember river]

Those are some awesome references though. Sometimes it is hard to get what was black box's intention with the low poly shapes back in 2005

[wintry fable]

not to steal
Obviously they won't fit the ug2 car models
it's just to see how they could look in modern games

[velvet rivet]

350 people

[trail quail]

350 genZ people....ok I'll see myself out that pun sucked 😅

[jade briar]

[velvet rivet]

LOL I knew I was missing something

[trail quail]

hehe!

[surreal ruin]

Explains why it's not going anywhere X)

[trail quail]

ffff damn

😄

It did not touch grass after all

[tawny elk]

I did tho

[dusty grove]

Guys why neon is white? (Before it was working as intended). Following question, do you going to fix it?

[ember river]

Shortly before releasing, uncle burrito disabled "vertex colors strength", setting to 0, which the game uses a lot to "tint" objects like neons, world event signs like races, shops, garages... and some other effects. That is because, aside from those neons and effects, the game also uses this to "tint" the roads, buildings and other objects with a embedded baked lighting, and since we're computing realtime pathtraced lighting, we surely don't want those interfering and driving us mad trying to tune the lighting.
An update to remix gave us power to disable vertex color effects per texture/material, so we can go around the world and tag every texture we don't want to have vertex color data used and it would go away, allowing us to keep it working only for neons and such.
All that to explain and say at the end that we fixed with a script and it will be shipped with the next release, or you can use this rtx.conf until then

[soft marsh]

Do you think the next release will take much longer? or is there a target you want to hit before 0.4?

[ember river]

Hard to say. We're working on a lot of different stuff with different work-time available by each on the team. We don't have an estimate, only that we want to make something really great for the next release since those WIP releases kinda destroy the project's reputation

[soft marsh]

I get it! maybe i can help inn some way?

i played a bit with rtx-remix omniverse and am pretty familiar with git

[tawny elk]

Still on target for this millennium

[ember river]

That is pretty good. Currently what takes the most effort from the team is 3D modelling, texturing, and studying techniques/approaches to remaster certain aspects of the game.
Some of our current goals involve:

• Remaster the garages
• Work on the first play experience (namely, rachel's 350z, airport scene, etc.)
• Rework the lighting across the whole map, from light poles to ceiling lamps.
• Rework the asphalt textures now that we had a technical breakthrough 👀
• Call death upon almost all alpha blended/tested/transparent objects in the game, for performance
  And a lot more stuff

[dusty grove]

"Rework the asphalt" - finally wet roads? (lore accurate btw)

[tawny elk]

I’m currently globe trotting to find the best wet roads to photoscan

[ember river]

yeah. @surreal ruin sculpted an awesome asphalt texture and I'm assembling them in game along with some tweaks. Together with https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1208149028077047880 we can now have textures with higher texel density, which means wet roads won't look blurry and weird like leather with low res normal/roughness maps

[trail quail]

where is the github that is supposed to be pinned?

[ember river]

We aren't encouraging getting releases from github anymore, they're available on moddb (only 0.4.0 atm)
https://www.moddb.com/mods/need-for-speed-underground-2-remix/downloads/underground-2-remix-03
The github page is for ppl intended to help develop the mod https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix

Sorry, 0.3.0*

[trail quail]

Oh, I see everything in the folder now that it's done downloading. Just drag and drop it looks like?

and what settings in the Video section are needed?

[ember river]

Hmmm not suremif you're referring to the YT video, which is not necessary anymore. Just unzip the file in the game install and you should be good to go.
Other than that, just follow moddb how to install description

[trail quail]

tysm for the help!

[trail quail]

as for that new Config, what does that mainly change?

[ember river]

the rtx.conf I posted earlier? I will enable neons, world event signs and some effects to be colored again. Currently they're all white. Just replace the rtx.conf in your game root folder with this one

[soft marsh]

I think i can help with the lights

i also did some texture editing,so maybe that too!

[ember river]

Cool. That would be @tawny elk & @cloud crypt 's territory

[soft marsh]

Thanks!

[trail quail]

Rachel's ride has like broken pieces would it be easier for us to just make our own pieces for people to make the texture over?

Else we gotta weld them

I feel like it would mess up the uvs though

[jade briar]

I don't think the actual game breaks them up

That's just how remix is interpreting them

I'd suggest rip the models from the game to see how they are built

[ember river]

This. Just weld all those pieces into a singular bodykit mesh as we aim at preserving the mesh's AABB, so it doesn't matter if it is broken into many pieces

Also you can make logical separations like, front bumper, rear, sideskirts, doors, etc. into different meshes. Might make our lives easier to reuse the mesh and reassign when the hash changes

Let's say, when not using a body kit but the door hash stays the same, we can reuse that

[cobalt peak]

They call me "The Remixer"

🗿

[astral dust]

good afternoon, does anyone have settings that would work for reflection on a car? for some reason, my graphics are not very good, I can't adjust in any way (I'm a blogger I want to shoot this game, help me make it beautiful like yours)))

[trail quail]

Hopefully normals can be generated frpm this

[wooden wren]

infinite loading

after updating the game

[wintry fable]

wdym updating game

[wooden wren]

0.04a update

[unborn gull]

Project looking fire so far 🔥

Heck of a whole lot better than what EA could've put out

[nimble crag]

hi guys i want try the mod but on my game it' isn't work can u tell me which version of game i need to download pls?

[jade briar]

You need the latest us version of the game

The download link is in the pinned messages

[trail quail]

If anyone was wondering what the topo looks like so far

Not the best but I guess it is serviceable. I will make sure the islands are all in the same place when done. WIll make all seams identical so it makes things easier

[jade briar]

So far so good

[cloud crypt]

looks nice

[balmy chasm]

What's tris count here?

[jade briar]

At least 5

[vague sparrow]

5 million, right?

[ember river]

Looks pretty decent

[harsh tusk]

anybody encountering a problem at the start

the game works but the picture is just frozen on the main screen

[severe solstice]

[trail quail]

The whole body is 100k with subd on so far

[harsh tusk]

can someone help me please

[trail quail]

First time altering a premade mesh to this level. If it was up to us we would have remade it from scratch and copied yhe uv islands to fit

The amount of split parts are a bit painful tbh tho like so many unwelded verts. I am guessing this is an import thing tho not yhe mesh itself. Like it won't be a 100 percent perfect conversion to .obj

[ember river]

Ah yeah. There are a lot of unwelded vertices, specially because this is how sharp edges work, they are duplicated vertices, each with their own normals. Also we're capturing whatever the game engine was sending to the gpu at that frame, so there might be a lot of runtime processing going to the asset which might not correspond to the original car mesh.
The body kit mesh itself is split into 2 pieces. My guess is the engine does that to avoid some very limited poly count per mesh it had. Just an example.

[ember river]

Just ignore the split parts, they aren't relevant with remix anymore

[trail quail]

So I can go ham with the welds as long as I make the UV Islands identical?

They have not really changed at all as I have not touched them but just to be safe I will check everything before export

[ember river]

Yup. Forget about the original mesh, just make sure the original vynils, decals and base paint textures can be applied to the same UVs locations and it works nicely.

[trail quail]

Yay cause some of the original mesh is :/

blech

[ember river]

This is only necessary to the main part. The slippers, carbon details, air vents and other stuff you can even make a totally separate texture set/materials with their own UVs and as separate meshes

[ember river]

I'd actually advise doing so

[trail quail]

yeah

[cloud crypt]

i already made carbon materials :/
#1207430508011724810 message

and you shouldnt forget that changing carbon will change it for everything

be it spoilers, bumpers, hoods, or even carbon widebody conversion

its using its own hash for everything

[ember river]

Sure thing, don't worry. No one is gonna touch that great material mate

[cloud crypt]

also i implemeted 2 versions... iff the UVs get corrected the 2K variants can be used, if not then the 4K variant should be used

[lunar jay]

Hi! I'm new with this, do you guys know how to fix the white neon on garage and the car neon?

[ember river]

Hey there. Just copy this rtx.conf and paste in your game folder #1103377328530276403 message

[lunar jay]

I'll try it, thank you!

It's working now 😄

[trail quail]

Oh i am not making yhe carbon materials just remaking the carbon hood for ur mats to be assigned to

[full prairie]

hello everyone, can anyone tell me how can i use the mod on my nfs u2_

[full prairie]

ive done it but the game doesnt start after moving the mod files to the games root folder

[night knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106549860393553961/1231282896682090506/Tutorial0001-3830.mp4?ex=662bd88e&is=662a870e&hm=c652cb0a6b908f44d6a1c5415f47ecd050a218996820c089ccd52906087369e2&

here's a video that was uploaded by Uncle Burrito about how to install it in the root folder, after that, you may want to check if the game itself is causing the problem, maybe you can get it from a different source

[trail quail]

Ignore the texture. This is just there to see how the new hood is picking up the UV's (it is not going to be used cause it is just the default but upscaled for our purpose only). There is a bit of warping so I guess a bit of tweaking is in order unless people are not too phased with (see intakes)

We are going to be using HellRavens carbon texture I just did not like looking at the old one haha

No that this is good (but as stated it won't be used or anything)

I might model some mesh grill for the vents as well

[full prairie]

is it nrmal to have this blur effect on the tires when driving fast?
ps - i followed the instructions from the video

[jade briar]

Yeah the motion blur is a bit buggy

On the tires

[full prairie]

but the mod itself is really good, unfortunely my gpu is a 3070 mobile so it doesnt run that smoth

[jade briar]

You can change dlss settings from the remix menu

[full prairie]

im still learning how to use it

[timid prairie]

https://youtu.be/869eu-DZzD4?si=yKU5CSfoyZtum2do

Good remix for now

and no, i ain't dropped that because of an image used in a video, its not my fault author used this for video

[trail quail]

WIP new spoiler

Next up rear bumper and fender

We are getting closer and closer

That handle and mirror needs to be updated yuck lol

[trail quail]

Have the low poly model for the brakes been modelled as the high poly is too much atm. I have the high poly brakes but not a low poly model

[rugged yacht]

Hello everyone ! Just tried out the current release, love what you all have been doing on this, it's wonderful ! I have a few questions though regarding the setup; should I run rtx remix off a clean installation of NFSU2 ? I have an old installation with a few HD texture and other graphic mods, is there a possibility of them causing issues ? I've had a few cases of the lighting on my car turning on and off randomly, and the wheels of other cars popping up as black disks on a layer above everything else (can sometimes see them even through the map).

[desert ridge]

I had already created a low-poly version of the brake a month ago before you started working on the brake model. Since you mentioned that you are modeling the brake parts, I have stopped working on it.

Here is a high-poly model that I have created.

[tawny elk]

Yes any texture mods will cause problems. Graphics mods may cause things to just not work at all.

[rugged yacht]

Ah gotcha, many thanks.

[balmy chasm]

Also we have "Nissan" and "350Z" labels done already

[trail quail]

Cool

[trail quail]

Ahh fair. Kinda like urs better tbh 😊

Ours was a lvl3 b rake but itwas not really for Rachel's car

If ur up for it u could still finish urs if u want in that case 😊

[cloud crypt]

the spoiler is a seperate part and doesnt only belong to that car, so just you know

[open atlas]

For the person modeling: that also applies to every other spoiler in the game

All the spoilers are universal, the model will just change based on if the car is a hatch, a normal coupe/sedan, or an SUV

[trail quail]

That is ok thanks for the heads up tho

[trail quail]

I am happy to bring as much as I can up to date within reason not to strain myself as lately I have been taken on a lot (not just this proj but study. Making art outsode this one. General house stuff as well).

I sometimes kinda overbear myself

[trail quail]

WIP rear bumper

Sub div is on just to show what it would look like at full detail

[open atlas]

The exhaust and tail light are also customization parts

[wintry fable]

tail lights are part of car but exhaust is different part

[open atlas]

Taillights are still a customization part

[jade briar]

All default lights have already been remade

[jade briar]

nah

[ember cobalt]

i personally like it, but i feel like the 2 needs to be filled in with a light blue of some kind

[timid prairie]

i used the most brightest blue from a logo itself

[cloud crypt]

She meant that the empty space in that 2 needs to be fille

[bright hedge]

mayhe green

@timid prairie try the 2 filled with some type of RTX green color

[timid prairie]

Okay, i'll add bright blue on it

[timid prairie]

Almost nobody here wants use green color which i found out quite a long ago

[trail quail]

thicc

For those that want to see the topology

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

Shading is a bit weird

[trail quail]

Will check it out with a matcap to see if it is not just the mst doing it or not

Could be the normals need recalc as well

[trail quail]

That is about as good as we can get the shading without adding more density

we checked with a matcap and it is not too bad. It is also that cubemap being annoying

it is...ok
If anyone can fix it when it is almost done feel free to tweak

What I have learn't from blender. Studio materials lie

[balmy chasm]

I mean, from the looks of mesh it doesn't look like there should be that curvature Burrito pointed out. So I guess that's just cubemap/Blender issue. You can actually check how good that is with a strip lights+Cycles setup

[trail quail]

Yeah it looks better in cyctes

cycles

[balmy chasm]

And Cycles represents the in-game result better

[ember river]

Hmmm yeah. Always good to switch between many skyboxes and render modes to check if it holds up nicely in many conditions

[timid prairie]

Light blue as requested

[balmy chasm]

Inconsistencies in "emix" part alingment will kill me

[humble niche]

Kind of inclined to agree, maybe a base line would help here:

[timid prairie]

Its the font shit

I don't know why, but its like that

[jade kayak]

You could just redraw in by hand, it's only four letters

[cloud crypt]

Or just cut them out and allign them manually

[timid prairie]

I'll try to place them in line with "E" word

[timid prairie]

should be fixed now

[earnest plinth]

I like it! Good job! 🙂 ❤️

[trail quail]

Dope!

[trail quail]

Turnss out tte damn normals were inverted on some parts. Caused shading problems now they all have the same normals

nice and clean now

[balmy chasm]

Wut 👀

[trail quail]

On the remodel The normals were in reverse. I have no idea why as I did not flip anything

:/

oh well hopefully it is ok now

[vague sparrow]

Yeah you have to flip normals or recalculate them through Alt+N

Without recalculating, it does cause problems when baking materials

[trail quail]

Yeah especially normal maps.

Blender is evil sometimes

[trail quail]

New doors

Might just keep the handle seperate

edges need tweaking but I need to see when the side skirt is finished

[timid prairie]

Well, as people like this, you can use this

[tawny elk]

How similar is it to the original logo? If it’s similar and you have it broken up by layers I could use it for the sign on the main menu 👀

[timid prairie]

i used this, but added "Remix" letter, so guess how it could fit, and no, i didn't broken it by layers, so i'll have to recreate it layer by layer then

[tawny elk]

Don’t feel like ya have to go through all that work remaking it.

[timid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/asian-smile-gif-7517658

[cloud crypt]

Hey Sir, do you have the original HDRi files or the textures itself? We maybe would use it if we still have the permission of yours

[vernal jolt]

does the remix have an available download?

[surreal slate]

I don't think I have the sources anymore

[cloud crypt]

Sadge

[cloud crypt]

Really? Thats sad. We hoped you could provide us with some really good HDRi skys.
The problem we have with your released pack is, that the textures are only 8bit. But we actually need 16bit for BC6H (BC6U, its the same) format so we can feed actual HDRi skys to remix.

[surreal slate]

I had sources, unfortunately I lost them during a hard drive organization

I'll look again, just in case

I think I found something

[cloud crypt]

@tawny elk @ember river

[ember river]

Thank you very much

@cloud crypt we might need to expand the bottom to fit the lower hemisphere of the sky mesh. These textures are 1:4 and ours maps to 1:2

[cloud crypt]

The .HDR is 1:2

Only the other 2 are 1:4, but expanding shouldnt be a problem, Photoshop has some quite good tools for that

[lusty storm]

Hey guys, anything new to talk about? I'm super hyped with this project

[jade briar]

uhh

lets see

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1235304168324075610/1235918147094056970/image.png?ex=663c0cb8&is=663abb38&hm=e35edc571a95f36af784c99052f2488a906a12a914c61c6daf8fd974c6838f17&

There's this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165396161922879538/1236108636367880242/image.png?ex=663c1560&is=663ac3e0&hm=0c961e8a26eaf887a2d235082fc0ab50ef53815214b80812683bc39f8db0949c&

Roads with fixed UVs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165396161922879538/1233834521636638770/image.png?ex=663bb871&is=663a66f1&hm=8b60391b14b29b1ce5d0863b06c54b90f5cacf8d16ae79fceca580622b473827&

New textures by Eman

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165396161922879538/1233104808941191188/image.png?ex=663bb3d8&is=663a6258&hm=c86df3e36b4cd30e9565ea40a6b65009f24c7659ce35c0534b08bef9706859c2&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165396161922879538/1229902513126510663/image.png?ex=663beaf9&is=663a9979&hm=8b311a9f522a5e452bb4dd224a2ca685467650307ad567936765bfb067c9a103&

Tyre remade by Eman

Our names are on it

I'm pretty sure I haven't mentioned this before, but NV is now helping us fix bugs specific to this game.

[ember river]

The asphalt texture is actually Traggey' work, I added the stripes, some worn marks and smaller bumps

[lusty storm]

Nvidia? That's super cool

Thank you guys for your time

Keep us updated when possible, it's nice to see the progress made here

[ember river]

We also post major changes like the above in #showcase from time to time

[lusty storm]

That's nice, thanks for letting me know

[balmy whale]

would you like to use my textures? a lot of textures were also used in ug2 without dirt on it. Because of this I always had to recreate the ug2 textures first, then added dirt later . Some textures are identical to mw (like the dirty red garage door or the brown rusty barrel and the wood crate and many more). I used the source image when it was possible. The traffic signs are 512512 (og is 128128 or lower), because the source images were not much higher resolution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCwTsGmedco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26tBJECtIMI

[jade briar]

Not pbr

[balmy whale]

can be generated from these, or no?

[jade briar]

Technically yes, but not as good as hand made

[balmy whale]

i see

[dusky osprey]

is there any way for cars to be reflective?

[cloud crypt]

they will be in latest build, just wait

[dusky osprey]

yea but some people have reflections

so i thought it was a setting problem for me

but is it possible to have it right now?

[balmy chasm]

#1103377328530276403 message
If you have any troubles installing it, please search for same info here before asking

[dusky osprey]

yeaa it worked

thanks guys

[jade briar]

🫡

[finite sleet]

Hey guys, I'm new here, I've installed the mod for now, I did everything correctly, but I would like to know if there are more settings within the game to make it clearer and more fluid

my game is currently like this

[ember river]

I don't see anything wrong so far, is where the mod is at atm since we're at the early stages developing it.
Wdym by "clearer and more fluid" though?

[finite sleet]

I actually adjusted it here, it's pretty cool, the only problem I don't think is where I enable the lights to not disappear in the gameplay

[ember river]

It is a common issue. U2 was never meant to be raytraced so whenever an object goes out of view, it stops rendering and the lights goes with it. You could use the Anti-Culling Lights and see if it helps a bit, though it comes with its own artifacts, like ghost lights

[finite sleet]

I tested it here, it helps a lot, another problem is within alt-x, the low and medium settings, the shadow of the car is bugged

So I can't use the low and medium options due to this bug in the car's shadow, so I can only use the highest options

[ember river]

Not sure what you mean. Can you send a pic?

[finite sleet]

it would be this blur around the car

It looks like this on low and medium settings

[finite sleet]

My PC runs smooth on medium, if you can help me fix this blur around the car, because on high my PC runs but keeps dropping fps

[ember river]

go to Game Setup -> Categorize Textures, use you cursor to click on that white neon light and tag it as "Ignore Texture", then save your settings at the bottom of remix menu

[finite sleet]

Perfect, I fixed it here, thank you

[unborn gull]

@jade briar do I need the actual nvidia remix setup before doing all this? I setup the vanilla Ug2 with no mods from the abandonware site, only used the nocd patch, updated it to 1.2, put the files into the corresponding folder and it fails to load. Not even a screen or anything
I have an rtx 3070 gpu

[jade briar]

You don't need any extra software

[trail quail]

There is also us also doing assets, but we are slow with it and need to take our time

Kinda feel like I am holding up with Rachel's car

Hope it actually doesn't mess anything (kinda worried) up but we guess we have to try when it is modelled completely

I suffer from a lot of mental health problems as well so yeah

[ember cobalt]

i know i'm not part of the mod team, but: this is a community project with volunteers. don't stress over it too much imo

[unborn gull]

What am I doing wrong? Shouldn't take that long to load up on first launch

[balmy chasm]

What's resource usage in Task Manager?

[sly plover]

hi guys,,, I am new here,,, I just tried 0.4.0 version of mod and all is black... RTX4070Ti ... anyone who can help? thanks

even worse when I start race game is still on loading screen withou freeze... Just never ending loading without crash

[cloud crypt]

Widescreenfix with windowed mode 4
ModDB files from us
Than it runs just fine

[sly plover]

Where can I find your modDB files please?

[sly plover]

.

[cloud crypt]

Should be pinned

Elsewise use this link: https://www.moddb.com/mods/need-for-speed-underground-2-remix/downloads/underground-2-remix-03

[sly plover]

Oh so it means that at first I should copy 0.3.0 and if works copy 0.4.0 as well?

[timid prairie]

Just a reminder that this logo exist, nothing more

[slender arch]

wdym by 0.4.0?

the rtx remix version?

[cloud crypt]

You can use our mod with every remix version
It is most recommend to use rtx remix 0.5.0 cause it has ray reconstruction

[unborn gull]

I'll have to check that out again once I get to it

[unborn gull]

Yooo

I got it working, unfortunately I gotta work soon...:(

[unborn gull]

I think it might've been the order that I installed it in that didn't work before

[unborn gull]

Where's UG2 remix 5.0?

Or do you mean the actual modding app?

[jade briar]

Everyone shut up

[jade briar]

You see the pinned link?

That's the latest version

Download it

And install it

There is nothing else to worry about

[dusky osprey]

when did 0.4 come out?

[jade briar]

It didn't

[balmy chasm]

I'm pretty sure Burrito won't update anything on modDB unless he HAS to upload next release :D
Also not all of team members agreed if we should use your logo or not. That's kinda difficult task that has been approached many times and no success yet

[sly plover]

Yesterday I downloaded on moddb com version 0.4.0 alpha but now i cant find it.

[jade briar]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/need-for-speed-underground-2-remix/downloads/underground-2-remix-03

This is the only download

[ember cobalt]

may they be talking about NFSU OG?

not 2?

that has a 0.0.4 version

[jade briar]

I guess?

[unborn gull]

Welp, the important thing is I got it to work

I might've done something wrong initially that prevented it from launching or some kind of error going on in the background without any error message

@cloud crypt do you have any UG2 mods? I've seen some of your work mostly for Carbon and it's pretty sick

[cloud crypt]

mods in which terms?

[unborn gull]

Mods that change the look of the game or how it plays

[cloud crypt]

well there was my tokyo nights mod but i took it down for various reasons. There will be a new one
i didnt created any other than that yet

[unborn gull]

Would've been nice to see it at least

For going back to reference

[unborn gull]

I think I seen GameTestro come up with his own mod of it

Would the Tokyo nights mod have been compatible w/latest UG2 remix build?

[cloud crypt]

No, since i changed many textures

And its texmod mod

But: I will create a remix alternative when the main project is done

[brave jewel]

Where i can install the vanilla version here? So i can install the mod

I found it here once, but i'm not finding anymore

[surreal ruin]

You have to find a PC copy in a retrostore or something, discussion of piracy is not allowed on this server.

[brave jewel]

Oh, sure

Thx

[unborn gull]

Will using extra option mod work with UG2 rmx?

Since I already have Ug2 rmx setup and ready to go, will adding on that mod work?

Wanted to ask before anything happens, resulting in a reinstall

[trail quail]

The HP for the rear wiper is remade ready for a LP normal map. I am remodelling the strut bar atm that I should have quickly done in plasticity but oh well may as well do it in blender as I am halfway there. No point in restarting the HP for it

In the full model the whole wiper with the blade is actually there

[cloud crypt]

extra options will work fine

unlimiter also should work

[unborn gull]

Nice

[unborn gull]

@jade briar were you using 40xx series GPU while testing/playing UG2 remix? Frame rate looked smooth

[cloud crypt]

he has a 4090

[unborn gull]

Ah, that explains

[unborn gull]

Is it possible to achieve 60+fps with a 3070 GPU?

[dusky osprey]

720p dlss performance

[unborn gull]

Not possible with 1080? 😦

[trail quail]

Not with rtx. The RTX performance using remix will tank

Is RTX remix even supported on psacal? I don't think it is?

[dusky osprey]

maybe ultra performance

[dusky osprey]

bro i have rtx 3050 laptop💀

[cloud crypt]

Set Y- resolution in widescreenfix to 720P and use balanced or performance mode for DLSS. That way it upscale from 720p to your monitor resolution

[balmy chasm]

Do you have any far plans to work on something after completeing Rachel's 350Z?

[trail quail]

Some of the other cars maybe and kits

Why do you have something in mind?

[balmy chasm]

Just wanted to ask. You said you have Plasticity in workflow? Is it like start with Plasticity mesh and then retopo in Blender?

[trail quail]

We make some Highpoly stuff in plasticity for minor parts that are not significant and can be used for normal maps

The majority of rachels ride had been remade using blender

[balmy chasm]

So you don't retopo mesh from Plasticity?

[trail quail]

No I am still not well versed with retopo in plasticity. I just export obj and get it to export with quads, and select the required density. The lowpolys I am making in blender

[balmy chasm]

You said normals. Do you use custom ones or picked from shared folders in the project?

[trail quail]

I am making custom normal maps

Seeing as some of the models I made were remade from scratch

This wiper (not finished) was made all in plasiticy with the original model imported into plasticity to get an idea of size and placement

But I do base all my models on the original UV's to preserve the UV locations on Blackboxs textures

[balmy chasm]

To be fair I've checked an original model of MX-5 and noticed that their UV set is really simple to reproduce on unUVed mesh. Especially if you followed border edges of the original mesh

[trail quail]

Oh yeah their UV's scare me

[balmy chasm]

They're just flat projections though

[trail quail]

Yeah but they are quite messy

[balmy chasm]

So, don't overrun with Normals. Saving disk space for textures is quite mandatory for this project

[cloud crypt]

At the end its a 50GB mod 😂👌

[balmy chasm]

hope with 49Gb of them being models

[trail quail]

All the normal maps haha use tesselation out the wazoo too 😄

[cloud crypt]

Haha 😂

[trail quail]

Rivalling cods bloated file size 😄

[trail quail]

49.9

How many normal map?

[balmy chasm]

If you really need custom ones, you better pack them in a single Trimsheet like 1024x2048 size. Check this folder with a set of textures we already use for various car parts: https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/tree/fancyLightsMeshes/rtx-remix/mods/gameReadyAssets/02_materials/02_cars/00_Shared. If you have some 'shared' textures that can be used on other models than just Rachel's car, they can be added to this folder as well

[trail quail]

We need some of the carbon fiber maps already made as we aint touching those. We want to use some of it

[balmy chasm]

They're somewhere in the github already. I just don't know where .-.

[cloud crypt]

https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1207430508011724810

There they are

With fixed uvs u can use 2K variant, with non fixed UVs you need 4K variant

[trail quail]

Your carbon fibre texture realy elevated it

Just tried it on my model now

[trail quail]

It looks so good now

[cloud crypt]

Thats nice to "hear"

[jade briar]

"ok"

[unborn gull]

I meant 60+fps with 1080

[cloud crypt]

1080 what? Apples, trees, 1080p, 1080ti, harddrives, monitors, 1080$?

[trail quail]

Too bad I suck at lighting so I might have to find a tute just to do a showcase of how to render a beauty shot for showcase

my renders look so bad

ignore the paint on the small part of the boot, that does not have UVs yet

Oh yeah ignore missing side skirt as I am working on that

[unborn gull]

1080 cars jk, 1080p

[rustic carbon]

is abandonware even considered piracy?

genuine question

[surreal ruin]

Abandonware is not a legal term in any shape way or form

So yes

[rustic carbon]

hmm okay

[surreal ruin]

It's just kind of a term we made up to excuse ourselves 😛

[rustic carbon]

good thing piracy is legal in some places, wouldnt be able to play those games otherwise

[surreal ruin]

Yeah I'm not making any personal statements of piracy here, just pointing out that it's against the server rules to discuss it here.

[rustic carbon]

seems fair

i was just curious how it looks from the law point of view

[cloud crypt]

Abandonware is a product, typically software, ignored by its owner and manufacturer, which can no longer be found for sale, and for which no official support is available.

Within an intellectual rights contextual background, abandonware is a software (or hardware) sub-case of the general concept of orphan works. Museums and various organizations dedicated to preserving this software continue to provide legal access.

The term "abandonware" is broad and encompasses many types of old software. Definitions of "abandoned" vary, but in general it is like any item that is abandoned – it is ignored by the owner, and as such, product support and possibly copyright enforcement are also "abandoned".

That last sentences are very important 😉

[surreal ruin]

It's still very much illegal, it's just that it isn't worth the time and money chasing down really old game pirates

Unless you're nintendo

[cloud crypt]

Ah yes, nintendo 😂

They hate emulators

[rustic carbon]

Nintendo is the kind of company that would copyright sue random kid for making cardboard version of nintendo switch lol

[cloud crypt]

how many poly that have? Looks really smooth

[jade briar]

at least 5

[cloud crypt]

😂

5 per inch?

[tawny elk]

Use an HDRI or if you have substance stager it’s nice to get a quick render

[cloud crypt]

you can use this 😉

[cloud crypt]

"fixing" the HDR Skies from BadassBaboon

[trail quail]

Excluding the Hp meshes i don't need soon it comes in at 100k

Some pieces are actually not as hp as they look

The high tri count are due to the pieces that are gunna be used for normal mapping

[cloud crypt]

Thats fine. I mean, you also could go crazy and use 1 mio tris since remix can handle extremely high tris extremely well but 100K will be enough.
It looks really good, keep up the work 🔥🤌

[trail quail]

It will be a bit higher but i doubt it will hit more tha even 500k

[cloud crypt]

👍

[surreal ruin]

Please do NOT go that high

We've said that we should try 100-250 K

[cloud crypt]

didnt e-man tried over a few million with his palm-trees?

[surreal ruin]

As a test yes, we aren't actually keeping them that way

[trail quail]

Lol we are not going that high dun worry

[cloud crypt]

350-500K for a car that you aint seeing often should be fine

[surreal ruin]

Please leave this stuff to the experienced modellers, I beg you

[trail quail]

While i agree, the goal is always to achieve more with less

Realistically good modelling practice is only adding polygons when you u no longer have enough to achieve a desired silhouette. For myself going as high as possible just cause i can is never the starting goal

Sure if you want a smoother silhouette that can come later but focus on form first is how i go about things

I dunno iif i made sense here 🥺

[surreal ruin]

👍 Ayush, as an art lead, that's exactly the kind of mentality I'd want to see 😉

[trail quail]

I have a fair share of 3d exp haha

[surreal ruin]

Mhm I can tell!

[trail quail]

Cause sure whilst omniverse supports dense mesh, going ham seems like an optimisation disaster haha

[surreal ruin]

Yeah, not just that but it makes authoring more of a nightmare too later down the line

Should never use more than what's actually needed

[trail quail]

Yah goes down to. "Just cause u can doesn't mean u should"

[lusty storm]

Loving seeing the progress made

[trail quail]

I am aware that like cars in racing games these days ha e a bagillion polys, but thehy are made by huge studios with tonnes of team members working on optimisation and that jazz alone. As well as probably a tonne of devs all working on one car alone

Sorry i will stop ranting haha

[cloud crypt]

😂

its all fine

[trail quail]

🥺🐾

[trail quail]

Are the wheel models and rachel's car brake model on GIT as the brakes I am making was not really intended for rachel's ride

Just so I have a base on what the whole car could look likke when done

[ember river]

No I didn't merge it yet. Will be in it soon, just finishing some stuff

[trail quail]

ahh ok.

[old abyss]

there's a way around the culling issue but yall might not like it

we render our own 3d map on top of the game's map and just implement our own culling

kinda like what Zolika did with its maploader

[jade briar]

Elaborate

I also tried talking to zolika

Bro never replied

[open atlas]

Zolika left the modding scene entirely

[old abyss]

zolika nuked his account a few months back

[jade briar]

I messaged him before that

[old abyss]

simple. we get fbx. we put fbx in folder. we write hook to render fbx in u2. we profit

trackstreamer in blackbox nfs games are literally from the hp2 playstation2 era

that's why it's very aggressive

we could probably update the trackstreamer

but since rtx does all the lighting and shading, i don't see the point

i'll handle the crowds first

[ember river]

We rely on the game sending the original draw calls with the exact mesh properties (vertices, normals, UVs, etc.) so we can use that to lock our replacements into their mesh_HASHES

[ember river]

Crowds works if you set the shaderModel higher than 2 IIRC, in Remix's dxvk.conf. But then the whole game is just rastered and remix can't capture anything.
Crowds options even show in options menu if set like that. So, as a heads up, you might be able to find something in the feature toggles when the game query shaderModel via a Dx GetDeviceCaps call

[tawny elk]

That makes a ton of sense

My attempt was to remove the vis check, which works but man that streamer is rough.

[tawny elk]

You can force crowds on without doing the shadermodel 2, but they don’t appear in remix.

The camera goes through the motions and everything but the models don’t load.

[tawny elk]

I mean if we’re able to force the trackstreamer to load more geo, we’ll be set since there’s no back face or occlusion culling.

[old abyss]

any reason it's specifically stated to use RTX-Remix v0.2.0?

[ember river]

nope. Any of the recent action builds from bridge+dxvk should work just fine

[old abyss]

i also noticed an issue with the forced car shadows

would you like me to remove them? (doing it through the textures also annihilates a lot of effects)

[ember river]

hmmm, tagging the texture as Ignore Texture in remix menu doesn't cut it?

[old abyss]

it does fix it, but it also seems to be a generic texture (tileable gradient fade)

[ember river]

And the mesh hashes aren't stable I suppose

[jade briar]

This error is caused due to stochastic alpha blending being disabled

Turn it on and it looks fine

All car shadow textures are set as ignore

except suvs

because no one likes them

So no one bothered checking them in remix

[old abyss]

yeah ughh

stochastic alpha does seem to fix it

yep

[desert ridge]

Is it possible to read the custom decal properties, spawn a basic plane, assign the decal texture to the plane object, and ensure that the game doesn't alter the car texture when the player changes the paintjob color? Essentially, we would use this simple color object and apply the selected paintjob color to it with mesh decal. If this is feasible, it would provide us with a stable meshhash for car body mesh replacement.

[old abyss]

iirc all texture stage 1 calls are CAR_EXTERIOR textures

i'd need to check

[cloud crypt]

I turned them off completely by ignore texture

[surreal slate]

I dunno if I sent this before but this is the default dusk sky

[jade briar]

@cloud crypt

[trail quail]

Normal map on the strut

never mind that seam that will be hidden by the other piece

[trail quail]

need to flip the green channel lol

It is a very simple normal map as it is not a very important piece

SOrry for the post spam

[cloud crypt]

Ill look it up when i am at home

[balmy chasm]

To be fair, I'd just make is as mesh, not Normal

[old abyss]

so the game does use some shader stuff to render the crowd, possibly the crowd is simply a coordinate in the game's engine and the shader fills the Z axis with correct texture+anim

bypassing the device check simply causes ghost crowd seen above

[desert ridge]

We create real geometry with a simple material (without textures) to conserve video memory, especially for other replacements that require high-resolution textures such as buildings or roads.
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[tawny elk]

Oh yea, counterintuitive; but actual geometry is better baking down to low poly.

No need to bake down that large of detail.

[jade briar]

We know

[ember river]

So it just renders quads in the ground?

[old abyss]

it's pretty much what adamplayer experienced already #1103377328530276403 message

[old abyss]

Game without RTX remix does use texture stage 1 calls exclusively for any car's exterior. Game with RTX remix only uses texture stage 0 for everything. Possibly something to do with shaders as well. (see images)

[desert ridge]

As a 3D modeler with basic programming knowledge, I may not fully comprehend the details, but I have observed progress. Keep up the good work!

[ember river]

Wow, nice. this checks with what Mark said about cars sharing the same material hash even though their textures are totally different visually. Remix only hashes over texture0

[ember river]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct3d9/texture-blending

[desert ridge]

Is it possible to hack the car rendering to display it as stage 0, allowing us to perform mesh and texture replacements?

[old abyss]

i can force texture setstage to be always 0

idk if that will do anything

[ember river]

In theory this is what setting shader model to 0 does in dxvk.conf, no?

[old abyss]

i believe that's more to do with vertex and pixel shaders

at least that's what the code says

[ember river]

hmmm doesn't it also implicitly means whether texture blending is supported by hardware as well?

[old abyss]

oh definitely, yes

no shading = no blending pretty much

[old abyss]

i got tired of handling car shadows (and possibly forced texture shadows of other things), so here's an asi mod to nuke all shadows from rendering. Simply extract into your scripts folder

[trail quail]

That hp piece was too many tris tho so i would have to optimise

Not yhe one ur looking at byw

Sorry i just don't wanf the hp piece too high just cause it can be. Esp considering it is just the strut bar that no one will see clearly

[cloud crypt]

can you make it half the tris by making just the underside low poly?

for example that the flat part under the strat bar is like 2 to 4 bigger Polys?

you wont see it anyways since its the starter car and untunable

[open atlas]

You can customize a car to look exactly like it once everything is unlocked though

[cloud crypt]

yes, but rachels car is a bit different. It is its own model

its like a unigue model

[open atlas]

its not, its just a preset car

[trail quail]

This

[trail quail]

It has its own unique uv map tho

Also I thought it was a custom model

[open atlas]

it wouldnt be a custom model because all of the models that it uses are standard models for any 350z in the game

any 350 can get the mantis kit, the rocker 5 spoiler, the rear lights, the hood, etc.

[open atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_s7XHlW3xQ&pp=ygUgcmFjaGVsJ3MgMzUweiBuZnMgdW5kZXJncm91bmQgMiA%3D also to further my point theres been videos for years on how to recreate her car in car customize

theres nothing special about her car its just generic parts that can go on any 350z

[jade briar]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-this-is-epic-ben-shapiro-gif-27534321

[balmy chasm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1169888959363559497/1220055228473413755/image.png?ex=664593b9&is=66444239&hm=b1ea7417a960af19910b875148ac49714b30b91f601e1cbfaef44b5a92a1042d&
Here was my take on that Z. You can get it like x1.5 density just to satisfy the scale of the whole mesh. This one does have some issues with reflections due to uneven mesh density, but not visible from distance further than 20cm. And you can go this low-mid poly just because your piece is after the glass with its own reflection. I assume you can take this part with just 2k tris

[trail quail]

K

[trail quail]

We model in strange ways lol

Oh well whatever gets the job done we guess

and the topology is clean

[ember river]

Important to remember though that meshes also take VRAM, and if we take a raw highpoly sculpt into the game just to avoid textures, there is a point where things start working backwards again.
I'd say, let just strike forward with this task and get something done already, then we can iterate. Otherwise too many early feedbacks can cause noise as well

[old abyss]

if something needs remodelling/retexturing it's definitely the smoke animation sprite

it eats way too much processing power if paths happen to bounce on it

[ember river]

Ain't much we can do I'm afraid. Rays hitting an alpha blended/tested geo have to perform texture lookups against the alpha channel to check if it should move forward or start a bounce, and is pretty much why we've declared death to (almost) all transparency in the game

[old abyss]

these settings pretty much make it look 'ok' and also play nice with pathtracing

though the original texture doesn't take runtime generated lighting into account so it's more like a heat haze than a white smoke

also I updated the shadow-yeetus RTXHelper thingy to also include 'fancy' car shadows as the game calls it in code

[ember river]

Beam texture is meant for, well, beams, like those huge canon lights waving in the city (two perpendicular planes) afaik.
I realised that transparent textures shouldn't be tagged with Ignore Baked Lighting, or else they look very weird.

[ember river]

you're a beast. That is pretty nice

[old abyss]

it makes it play slightly more nice when cars generate smoke, i don't know much about texture flags yet

[cloud crypt]

I have set that texture as particle and replaced it with higher res ones

[jade briar]

What exactly are the "fancy shadows"

[tawny elk]

Think they’re car specific drop shadows?

[jade briar]

ah

[ember river]

yup. They are some quad fan spiraling outwards from the car and uses a simple generic gradient texture which we don't known if disabling it would be a good idea. It is that thing that shows when stochastic alpha blend is disabled. Now it is gone

[old abyss]

it's basically a tile texture which is a gradient from transparent to black-opaque that is rendered by the game during runtime

it's dynamic shadows basically, with some alpha channel magics

[tawny elk]

Oh boy ghidria

[old abyss]

nah IDA pro 8.3

[tawny elk]

The color scheme threw me off

[old abyss]

i don't even know if there's a dark IDA theme

never bothered to check

[tawny elk]

There’s is

[old abyss]

i need my monokai latte

[ember river]

Would be willing to give culling a go? Might be the #1 feature ppl report about the mod, lights disappearing, LODs popping, etc.

[tawny elk]

NOP out the max polygon check for the trackstreamer

[old abyss]

@tawny elk's patch ensures the view doesn't check whether an object is blocked by something else

[tawny elk]

I think I did that once and the game engine broke

[old abyss]

but the TrackStreamer will still do what it does, stream piece by piece

culling is engine-level stuff, our hardware can handle it but idk if the game can

[ember river]

I mean, frustum culling specifically

[tawny elk]

The game engine runs into CPU problems with no culling I believe

[tawny elk]

That’s handled by the trackstreamer surprisingly from what I remember

The games camera only does the distance culling part of the equation.

The trackstreamer doesn’t stream in pieces behind the camera.

It streams in a radius around the player, and then what’s in front of the player.

You can see this if you use Zmenu and disable world culling.

Correct me if I’m wrong @old abyss , been a minute since I was deep into the engine

[old abyss]

by frustum culling, are you referring to possible rtx pop-ins like lights and such behind a corner?

[jade briar]

yes

[old abyss]

i don't have this issue??????

[ember river]

Like this

[old abyss]

huh

[ember river]

wut

[tawny elk]

[old abyss]

gimme a sec i gotta check something

[tawny elk]

The problem still occurs, even with my patch

[jade briar]

There's frustum culling, so camera view
Distance culling, objects that disappear behind the camera after a certain distance threshold is crossed
And occlusion culling, objects behind other objects getting culled

[tawny elk]

There’s no occlusion culling in the engine from my understanding

Well not automatically

It’s done with manually placed planes

[jade briar]

ah

[ember river]

like trigger planes, similar to how source engine loads scenes I believe?

[tawny elk]

Maybe. Not familiar with those

[tawny elk]

The famous last words He went out to get milk and never came back

[jade briar]

Visibility volumes

[old abyss]

in Speed games, think CS:GO type of manual culling

the sections have keys and angles attached to each other, it's why the free roam feature was a massive hit in the first place

agressive culling = need less memory = can play on ps2 booboo hardware

[jade briar]

Yeah culling volumes

Well that's what modern games use

But same concept

Also don't you dare disrespect the ps2 hardware

[old abyss]

i can't get zolika's menu to show up with rtx

:v

[tawny elk]

You may need to mark it as UI.

[old abyss]

oh

right

[jade briar]

You need a specific old version for it to work

I don't know why

And I don't know how to get it

But I have it in zip

[tawny elk]

I have it as well

[jade briar]

It's not easy finding a specific zip on my computer

[old abyss]

oh god

[jade briar]

This is just the compressed files folder

[jade briar]

Here

Tell me if it works

[old abyss]

it worky muchas gracias

[old abyss]

idk what to tell you @ember river maybe I'm missing something

[jade briar]

nononono

You have to use remix's freecam

This freecam is used by the game engine so ofcourse it'll workl

The game engine doesn't see remix's freecam. As far as the game is concerned, remix cam is attached to the car

[ember river]

Yeah, I got scared for a bit before reading uncle burrito response lol. Remix free cam works after injection so the game doesn't knows about it

[old abyss]

I downloaded Zolika's thinking it was what you were using lol

I had anti-culling stuff ON in RTX Remix

that's why I didn't have popins during normal gameplay but yeah now I see the issue with rtx camera

[cloud crypt]

If you could get rid of culling that would be awesome (if that is even possible)
Adam just made it less agressive with his plugin but its still there

[ember river]

yeah, anti culling makes my game insta crash btw. It is not as perfect as having the engine itself issuing all the draw calls

[tawny elk]

That helps but it’s not a permanent solution since it’s based on frames.

[old abyss]

HMM

[old abyss]

@ember river can you test something for me reaaaaal quick?

i cannot use the remix camera for the life of me

[ember river]

sure

[old abyss]

does this help with culling at all?

[ember river]

Nope. Not working still

[old abyss]

sadge

[hexed seal]

what is that program and why is it magic

that all the classes and stuff have names

not the kind of shit I am used to from ollydbg

[trail quail]

With Emans wheels the z really gets elevated

Shame our model is not quite up to that standard, but it is a WIP

We are not worthy 😐

[cloud crypt]

You are worthy. Model looks really good so far, keep up the good work

[cloud crypt]

What do you want to show us?

No culling?

[old abyss]

i think this improved culling? not so sure but it's not as agressive

[cloud crypt]

Ill take a look when i am at home

[ember river]

Please, the model is looking pretty good. Don't hit yourselves. I'm looking forward to it.
If needed, I can add some minor touches here and there just to get that extra details in place, but so far it seems to be at great standards indeed

[cloud crypt]

That model only has 421K tris and looks so good. I can tell thats good cause i saw basemodels with 2M tris and looked worse

[tawny elk]

Whatcha do to achieve this

[old abyss]

by default game uses a preculler, i.e., the thing that ensures anything not necessary doesn't enter the rendering pipeline

the preculler has a few modes:

enum ePrecullerMode {
        PRECULLER_MODE_OFF = 0, 
        PRECULLER_MODE_ON = 1, 
        PRECULLER_MODE_BLINKING = 2, 
        PRECULLER_MODE_HIGH_SPEED = 3, 
};

I just set it to OFF, increase TrackStreamer memory size by times 4 and the game's a bit more lenient with culling

[tawny elk]

Ah I didn’t know it had multiple modes

[cloud crypt]

Someone from the NFS Servers i am on come up with this for remodeling cars

[lusty storm]

That look painful

[trail quail]

Remaking it using their mesh is painful. When we started that is what our process was

I lost a fair bit of time

[cloud crypt]

yeah haha XD

[trail quail]

Makes us think of thee plaque in black mesa. Blackbox's system "Work harder not smarter"

XD

Not to mention how broken up the tris are when importing it cmon 😦

"how many modelling sins are we gunna commit?"
Blackbox: "yes"

[tawny elk]

"UV Maps? Never heard of em"

[trail quail]

"what are welds?

[tawny elk]

“Cube project is all we need”

[trail quail]

😐

Sorry about the spam but this needs to be a meme

[balmy chasm]

I have tried this workflow and it did really great. We shouldn't dismiss this approach until further testing. As of now it makes no sense to argue while car mesh can't be replaced

[trail quail]

Oh it was more a personal thing for me. I just couldn't manage doing it that way

[jade briar]

@old abyss would it be possible to read car paint type from the memory during runtime

[desert ridge]

https://github.com/nlgxzef/NFSU2Unlimiter/
This script can read the car paint and decal settings, so I believe we can retrieve that information from the memory.

[jade briar]

Yeah but this script is running in the game

Not an external software reading from it

[ember river]

It could work, if we could patch the game to trigger remix api in runtime

[desert ridge]

Spawn a new mesh and assign the decal texture or car paint texture to that object. This way, remix will generate a unique hash for each mesh. Than we can manually replace them in Omniverse.

[fading condor]

Hello, anyone can help me? the mod called NFSU2.Culling.Disabler either does not work for me or does not work as I need (FPS drops a lot and the model still disappears) unlike Zmenu Zolika. I don’t have a video card with PTX, I’m not a programmer and I don’t use the PTX remix. What do I need to do in the game or model itself so that the model stops disappearing without ASI scripts or who can fix the code for this mod?🙏

[desert ridge]

I have a similar approach in GTASA. Remix render the car texture as a white color. I use a script to read the actual car color and then assign the correct color texture to the body. Then replace those textures with PBR properties in Omniverse.
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If berkayylmao can create something similar to the GTASA's Moonloader library, then we would be able to access many in-game statuses and assign anything we want.

[ember river]

wdym?
bruh, all these years and I just now realized this is a fucking bus stop

[ember cobalt]

is it that massive in the base game? wow

[ember river]

bus stop from Cars universe, I guess

[ember cobalt]

lmao yeah

[jade briar]

wtf

jeeesus

its like every dev had their software set to a different scale

[timid prairie]

the little you knew that you are toy car controlled by a kid in a real world as he imagines himself as a cool street racer 🤣

[ember river]

That kid has gotta stop watching so much fast and furious before it end up bald wearing a white tank

[timid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/no-never-no-way-not-a-chance-not-gonna-happen-not-possible-gif-16052557

kid:

[trail quail]

Wait it is not just some parking place? Omg ever tume i saw this game i thought it was just airport parking thing 😵‍💫😐

And some sort of just cool airport shade thing

[cloud crypt]

Really?😂😂

Ohman, my lights really look way better than these old ones😂

[tawny elk]

Thought it was a taxi stand

[old abyss]

i honestly don't understand what you are planning 👀

vinyls in nfsu2 & nfsmw are just textures

body paint is a car part that the game reads during car render to assign the body color

what do you need?

[tawny elk]

The issue is that the texture hash changes on the car model, so you can just set the PBR properties and be done with it.

[cloud crypt]

Every color needs its own texture hash

[ember river]

Imagine having access to how exactly the game performs its texture blending for each car + remix hasher and writting a script to automate all that

[lusty storm]

It looks like you guys are cooking nfsu3 lol

[agile cedar]

yoo could someone help me, my game is like this and when i change resolution it crash imidietly.

#general-remix message

the photo is in generall

[jade briar]

Do not change the resolution. Use widescreenfix. It's provided with the mod. You might need to change the widescreen fix's configuration file. It's in the scripts folder

[agile cedar]

is it one of those?

[jade briar]

konfigurationsinst...

Probably

I don't speak german

[agile cedar]

and what do i do here

[jade briar]

change resx and resy values to your resolution

So for 1080p it'd 1080 for x and 1920 for y

No

Maybe it's the other way around

[agile cedar]

I would look if its gotta work

still same issue..

and i got the same problem as before that my desktop is also in the same resolution and i can't get it to fullscren. Only when i change resolution in the game but the game freeze at the same time

[dusty grove]

First of all - windowed mode 4 or 5

Then set desired resolution

[cloud crypt]

use this

[old abyss]

i am unable to reproduce this issue, the texture updates but the hash stays the same

[jade briar]

The texture hash

[cloud crypt]

thats what we meant
but we want the hash to change

[old abyss]

bro you are not on the same page

[cloud crypt]

ah, overread that XD

my fault

[jade briar]

That's strange. Did they fix it already and didn't notify us? We need the same hash for every car

[dusty grove]

In u1 it works actually, but hemry rough only method is still better (when modifying car it becomes matte for a second)

[desert ridge]

No, different car share same texturehash

[cloud crypt]

ah, the hash changes with car

[old abyss]

idk what to tell you

[jade briar]

Oh I remember. If you make changes to the material, it locks the material to the texture you made the changes with. So if you make the surface glossy, it'll continue to use the texture you had when you did the replacement

[old abyss]

changed to metallic, added vinyl, still same hash 🤷🏻

[desert ridge]

If you change the car's paint or vinyls in the garage, make sure to drive out to the map and then drive back to the garage. This will change the texturehash.

[dusty grove]

Try capturing scene, replace car paint with glossy > get back into game, all cars should have same colour texture

[old abyss]

I was eventually able to get the game to refresh the texture entirely

but the problem is, right, even if certain paints had certain defined hashes, the texture still has the car details inside of that texture

that is to say, game renders that texture meticulously

if you made a certain texture hash be pearlescent, then entire car would be pearlescent, including its interior

[tawny elk]

You can defeat this with a mesh replacement

[desert ridge]

Can you ignore the original paint texture and assign a solid color texture to the car body only? This is necessary because the interior shares the same body paint texture in-game. We need a unique texture to assign the PBR texture in remix. All vinyls will need to be created as separate plane objects, and the corresponding vinyl textures can be assigned to them. We will then assign these new plane objects with HD textures in the remix. This way, every car body paint can have a unique texture, while still keeping the vinyls visible.

And disable the interior render in game and then we add it back in remix. This way, we can assign the correct car interior model for them.

[jade briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165374943991709811/1241465188344139878/image.png?ex=664a4c0e&is=6648fa8e&hm=a79dd404095001f109b5321d2d9824da10cd40a6f557ae9617b82535a0dd8488&

Some of hellraven's work

[cloud crypt]

the results of it

[dusty grove]

That looks so nice, gap between ligh poles is perfect, BUT WHERE IS WET ROADS 😡😡😡

(We finally have Ray Reconstruction, so noise is no longer a problem - dew it)

[cloud crypt]

Haha, dont tell me
i just can say that there is smth planned but i cant tell what it is for now

[old abyss]

i am able to force a skin onto all cars

now how do yall want to implement colors and pbr into this again?

by the texture hash alone?

like idk hash 1 = gloss yellow, hash 2 = matte green, etc?

[desert ridge]

Just set the full body color to their corresponding colors. We can take care of the rest of them in the remix.

[cloud crypt]

but vinyls wont work then it seems

[desert ridge]

The wheels also need to be assigned solid colors. The car parts only have decals (brand logos), headlights and taillights have stable mesh hash, while the other parts should be unstable mesh hash.

[desert ridge]

Spawn a new plane and assign the vinyl texture to the plane. Then, we can create a mesh decal and combine it to the car body.

[old abyss]

@desert ridge @cloud crypt vinyls can work, I was just lazy and overrode the entire skin in the above post

fun fact: we can just yeet the game's color swatch palette and just add a proper hsl/hsv/rgb selector

but that'd be besides the point

I'll try to force certain color-palette matches to a defined list of textures

[desert ridge]

As the setup stage, since the vinyls is a real object, I think berkayylmao can get the exact position of the vinyl as well.

[old abyss]

ideally we need a runtime companion

something that my script can talk to

[desert ridge]

Don't create an RGB selector. If you do this, we'll need to manually assign a 256x256x256 = 16,777,216 PBR textures, which is almost impossible for us.😅

[old abyss]

no I mean, something, some app, some other scipt idk, to pass valuable information to

like 'game is currently setting up car body color, here's the info: {rgb + color type}'

or game is currently rendering vinyl xyz

idk how you'll be able to handle vinyls with pbr

since the vinyl texture ends up on the car skin texture

the texture is UV mapped and the game creates a composite skin texture

idk how to play around it, I'm not a modeller etc

[desert ridge]

As the setup stage, the vinyls are actual objects. You just need to ensure those objects don't disappear after we leave the setup stage.

[cloud crypt]

these arent vinyls... these are sponsor sticker

[old abyss]

i need an english speaker 😭😭😭😭😭

[desert ridge]

The vinyls need to be spawned as a plane, and the vinyl texture should be assigned to it.

[old abyss]

my friend, mi amigo

the game creates a UV mapped composite skin texture to render on the car

[old abyss]

I'm simply not going to implement a whole additional render layer code just to help vinyls be on top of the car skin for an RTX remix mod

[desert ridge]

My friend, you need to spawn a new plane next to the car.

[old abyss]

underground 2 when I tell it to just spawn a new plane next to the car: https://c.tenor.com/9QWHYsTOCYMAAAAM/intese-moyai.gif

[desert ridge]

This is an example of creating a new plane on the car and assigning the vinyl texture to it. I'm using this as an example because I can't do it and don't know how to.

[old abyss]

ok let me try and explain

what the game does

is render a completely black car model vertices, that is 0xFFFFFFFF in color BRGA

on top of that, it use dx9 to render a UV mapped texture

I cannot 'just spawn a new plane next to the car'

[desert ridge]

Some remix modders create a sky sphere using an existing game mesh. For example, I used an unused road in GTA:SA as a sky sphere replacement and replace them as the sun and moon in the remix.

But I'm using a script library, so I don't know exactly how to do that from scratch.

[tawny elk]

Good enough in my book

Y’all gotta come to terms of having to just apply the vinyls on a texture yourself

Or have to use the white list for the remix PBR properties

[jade briar]

Yeah bro it's just a plane. Why don't you spawn it. YOu scared or smth?

[desert ridge]

I'm pretty sure the vinyls have a unique texture that processes the texture blending in the engine. That means the vinyl texture is accessible in memory.

[desert ridge]

I think he just doesn't understand the replacement process in the remix.

[old abyss]

the. car. skin. texture. is. a. uv. mapped. composite. texture. it. cannot. be. fragmented.

it is not possible to add 'another plane' or 'another layer' on top of the composite texture. because the game maps the composite texture onto the car model vertices

if there's someone willing to edit the game's engine code, they can add another layer. I'm not that someone

[jade briar]

I think he's talking about spawning a plane under the map with the texture applied to it

[desert ridge]

Okay, let's use another approach. If you can't create a new plane in the game, when editing the vinyls texture, can you trigger the add sponsor decal process with code and replace the sponsor texture with the vinyls texture?

[tawny elk]

Don’t think there’s any easy way to spawn things like that

[desert ridge]

Then why can some ASI mods for GTA:SA spawn new objects in the game?

[tawny elk]

Prob cause there’s a way easier way to spawn things in that game.

Remember, there’s still no map editors and such in BlackBox games

[desert ridge]

Then, is it possible to trigger another function call when editing the vinyls?

Pseudo-code:
if changing_vinyls_texture then
texture = selected_vinyls_texture
decal_index = 0
addSponsorDecal(texture, decal_index)

[old abyss]

if there was a way to get rtx remix to do its thing while in the rendering pipeline, I could have easily layered the paint and vinyls etc

but rtx remix is ran after the scene is done rendering so yeah

[old abyss]

probably possible, would need some reverse engineering

[desert ridge]

It's only possible for 64-bit applications at the moment.

[old abyss]

if only rtx remix supported texture blending smh

[desert ridge]

Nukem has a test demo in Skyrim using the Remix API.
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[old abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-confused-gif-14450462

[desert ridge]

In Remix, we use "mesh decal" that work with some kind of "texture blending" functionality. #asset-creation message

[tawny elk]

Welp

[ember river]

Each game is a whole new beast when it comes to modding capabilities. Usually mods rely on mod loaders that found and can trigger og code to spawn objects like that rather easily, other games it is not so trivial. In games made with Unity you can just inject C# code to call GameObject.Instantiate() passing a prefab as argument and it is done, but inserting new authored models in a Unity game like that might require writing your own asset importer...
REing a game like U2 is not something we can count on a lot of abstration layers to help get the job done like that (I supposed with my limited xp in RE), so yeah, not an easy task

Mod APIs is the right term. Another examples:
Minecraft -> Forge or Torch
GTA V -> Script Hook V
Skyrim -> SKSE
Terraria tModLoader
...
Don't think we have something similar for U2 (guys, correct me if I'm wrong). That is why it is so hard to get certain things done in base game level

[ember river]

Would it be possible to split the car rendering into 2 separate draw calls, one with the base solid colors (or carbon fiber) and another with only vynils textures applied as an alpha blended texture on the D3D9 calls?
That way remix could hash the vynil separately and we could make replacements to the vynils textures directly, and also tag them as decals in remix menu.
For that I imagine you'd need to:

• Disable compositing of vynil on top of the base color, so we can also lock the solid color hash
• Keep the cars' vynil textures loaded and uploaded to GPU so you can issue alpha-blended draw calls with them alone
  Which I don't know if is possible

[desert ridge]

https://github.com/nlgxzef/NFSU2Unlimiter/

[ember river]

Yeah, that is a very interesting codebase to use as reference and get a leg up. Although from what I can tell by the README it seems to mostly trigger functionalities that already exists in the game. It doesn't exposes an API to abstract things like spawning objects, get/set scene state (objects, positions, variables, etc.). Not the same as a Mod API.
But again, great example to look deeper and better understand the game

[desert ridge]

The demo video showcases that it can add extra objects not available in the original game. Perhaps would need to replace the original car file to make those extra parts editable.
https://youtu.be/FQ_EvLz3g-I

[old abyss]

HMMMMM

[tawny elk]

[old abyss]

so I just made a glorified texture hook over the entire game

lmao

and it's runtime!

maybe I can do some shenenigans idk

[jade briar]

What about the remix api?

Whatever its called

HD remix?

[desert ridge]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/tree/5559c806a21788f3ebaa79d5d7730629adffabfc/tests/rtx/apps

[old abyss]

nothing is ever so simple with optimized ps2 era games smh

the skin texture has a lot of other stuff in it

like interior textures, blinker textures, literal meshes in the bumpers/hood/etc

[jade briar]

[old abyss]

for example

interior color, texture, wheel + rim texture + color, etc

this is all to say, the texture will still have a different hash for each car

we'd need to go deeper into the engine to capture uv mapping to create our textures and blend them

[ember river]

I was under the assumption that vynil textures were read from disk with UVs already matching specific car (say, 240sx_vynil_flames_03.dds) and the game would just naively overlay them using the alpha channel on top of all that base texture containing the interiors, blinkers and what not

[old abyss]

ideally each car has a base texture inside of its TEXTURES.BIN

then there's the generic cars/TEXTURES.BIN

the game creates a composite and seems to handle it off to the engine to do the dirty work

https://pastebin.com/TT0t6VFP, related struct

CarLoader creates a composite, stores it in TextureInfo, game utilises CarRenderInfo to render things

[ember river]

So about the idea of splitting draw calls to render the car twice with the "everything else" texture and then with vynils, you think there is a possibility?

[old abyss]

it's definitely possible

just split the single draw texture call into staged texture calls and let dx9 blend them

but uggggh

i kinda don't want to do that? I already spent way too much time just trying to figure out exactly how the game creates the composite

[ember river]

I see. I wasn't even referring to keep blending them, just literally render the car again as a totally new draw call, only this one would use the vynil textures. The base game without remix would be broken, ofc, but in remix we can captures the vynil draw call texture and tag as decal

[old abyss]

https://gofile.io/d/GRaszQ cc: @tawny elk since you seem to the code guy. 7z file pw is 1234

[ember river]

fair enoug, u've been doing a great work, I see

[tawny elk]

What’s this

[tawny elk]

Culling is more important than the texture thing imo. I’ve always been of the mindset that if you really want vinyls and such you can always just do it in photoshop

[old abyss]

ida database + ghidra .xml export; u2 gamecube build with symbols; rtx helper code and some other stuff I already forgot lmao

[jade briar]

idk what to do with allat

[trail quail]

I guess it is not too bad for version 1.0 (oh the brakes but whatevs.

apart from the side skirt and grille (maybe a roof, glass, that ugly indicator light and a few accessories we are not gunna bother with yet), The first iteration of the Z is done). I just might need help to test it ingame. I won't be able to see the rtx results on this laptop though. I will have to wait till I have my destop again

There are some texture stretch issues, but they can be resolved eventually

[balmy chasm]

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/tree/fancyLightsMeshes/rtx-remix/mods/gameReadyAssets/03_meshes/03_cars/02_350Z
You can grab Hemry's lights from here if you wish

[ember river]

Awesome work. Really nice piece

[trail quail]

Wait for version 2.0 it is so smooth. Of course within reason as high polycounts. Those lights haha. They are awesome. they are 47K for 2headlights in a way haha

To be fair they look dope tho

Lovely work Hemry

[desert ridge]

Thank you. I'm not very good at low-poly optimization yet. I'll optimize it in the next version after I finish some other things first.

For some headlight details, we used real geometry instead of a normal map. The first reason is to save more memory for other things that need texture replacements. The second reason is that the normal map detail is not very visible in translucent materials, compared to the real geometry detail. That's why you can see many headlights and taillights have a very high polygon count.

[trail quail]

It still looks good though

Fits well (ignore the hood)

That shading is clean btw that is just the crappy viewport enviro ap

map

The shading errors are not there like version 1.0

The grille will be a normal map (too many tris)

[cloud crypt]

it shouldnt, elsewise you cant see the intercooler

[surreal ruin]

You can have a normal map and an opacity map mate

Very common