Silent Hill 2 - Scattered Paths

[grand pine]

my reaction

[fading geyser]

When the remake plays like a CPU clock dependent PS1 game

[dapper oyster]

the hair of the characters still jiggles without the mod

[flint vapor]

There's a mod that uncaps cutscene fps

[hexed gyro]

The overlay for when you get low on health?

If so, there's a mod that changes it to the original

[desert patrol]

cutscenes seem to be capped at 30fps to feel closer to original, as if they're prerendered videos

[vagrant hazel]

Common to cap cutscenes at 30 so that you can increase all the visual settings and use heavy fimlic post processes

Doesn't tend to have to do with any art direction

[primal siren]

uncapped they seem to run as well as the rest of the game though

[flint vapor]

Can confirm. The animation also looks awesome at high framerates

[vagrant hazel]

Yup that's normal

It's just very common to see when devs are not confideni in the performance of a game

And we know this remake has had a ton of perf issues

Mind you it's not a practise I endorse in any way

It's just fairly common

[flint vapor]

Proof that we truly do live in a society

[proper grail]

Tried the newest runtime with SH2 and full EE feature set enabled and it doesn't seem to crash anymore. (all the other issues regarding textures turning white and lights/fog not picking up sadly still present)

[vagrant hazel]

Aaagh 😭 I haven't been able to test anything recetnly due to having broken my arm

But that fuckin' sucks to hear :/

[dapper oyster]

https://youtu.be/sFgpJqW8X-E?si=IAFRZ5m87jw4lnM9

"Simply Broken"

[mossy dust]

Did the ps5 pro patch for sh2r come out yet?

[dapper oyster]

nope

[desert patrol]

kinda looks like PS5 Pro attempts the raytracing instead of lumen, or maybe hardware lumen instead of software one. but utterly fails at denoising. on PC if you use DLSS with ray reconstruction, there's also some glitchy shimmering on objects that aren't in focus, but you only really see it during cutscenes

[dapper oyster]

I think it looks like fsr and pssr are both functioning at the same time which lead to visual glitches

[dapper oyster]

It's been a week now. Still no sign of any patch.

[proper grail]

Pretty crazy that they just leave a PS5 console exclusive busted like that

[dapper oyster]

And the current 1.0.5 version still has severe bugs that make the game unbeatable at some circumstances

[flint vapor]

Pretty sure they hotfixed that

[flint vapor]

I finished the remake today having never played the original. I gotta say I absolutely adored it, went way beyond my expectations. I'll spare the full yap review but I enjoyed it so much that I really want to play the OG someday just to experience the differences in acting/game design that were largely a product of the time, to see how that conveys the story vs the new one. I hope this project finds more steam in the future because I'd really like to play the original with cutting edge rendering

I'm glad they remade the game because I don't think I would've ever cared to experience it otherwise. Now I'm a SH2 enjoyer, probably in my top 10 games of all time

[grand pine]

In my rizzless dreams,
I see that gyatt.
Skibidi toilet.

[vagrant hazel]

I'm suing you

[grand pine]

https://youtu.be/rjiaQR8FHcg

Edging for you

[vagrant hazel]

This is why Nvidia won't help with compatability.

[grand pine]

Hah

The remake is pretty good

I don't feel like the original needs to be touched now

[vagrant hazel]

Did you play the original though?

Because whilst the remake is certainly more competent than I expected it to be, it does in no way replace the OG

[grand pine]

It doesn't replace the og

I agree

But I think it's so good, that you don't really need to give the OG a graphics overhaul.

Play the remake if you want a longer better looking game

And play the OG if you want the original experience

[vagrant hazel]

I don't quite agree there, I know many who actively avoid playing the OG because of the dated visuals.

Whilst I myself am not sensitive to older looking games, sadly many many folks out there are

Having updated visuals would give many a reason to actually try the OG and experience the things the remake missed out on

[flint vapor]

I'm definitely with traggey on this one. I love the remake but there's some value in preserving the original experience in higher fidelity. I can't see myself playing the original with the OG visuals mainly because I think it relied greatly on CRTs and I wouldn't get the intended experience. With a modern coat of paint that's no longer a concern

[flint vapor]

That and just an interest in experiencing the source material in general. To see what bloober was starting with before cooking up the remake. I imagine for me it'd give me a greater appreciation for what they pulled off

[primal siren]

The enhanced edition looks really good at 4k 60fps with all the settings turned all the way up

[vagrant hazel]

That it does ❤️ For a PS2 game it holds up amazingly well

[proper grail]

The OG has the iconic fixed camera angles, still the best version of the soundtrack and I don't like some of the boss changes in the remake. A path traced version of that would be still #1 for me

[mossy dust]

I always thought that rtx could make the game a little scarier with more realistic lighting

[dapper oyster]

So the 'game wasn't patched yet' statement was misinformation

https://youtu.be/MrMuVhxlKvI?si=XvLyDp8ga9-gLYC8

[flint vapor]

Isn't TSR scaling quite good? At the given resolutions I would expect the non Pro version to look better. Haven't seen the video tho

[dapper oyster]

It's more blurry but less flickering

[dapper oyster]

The tsr injection for sh2r was badly optimized

[dapper oyster]

they got 6 cds containing 197 tracks for a 12 hour game.....

[sleek robin]

just did to do

[vagrant hazel]

I've already made one myself thanks! For future you should probably ask mod makers first ^^

[sleek robin]

I just let it to exist, unlike my other works, i have no wish for this to be used

[vagrant hazel]

Aaalrighty then!

[sleek robin]

I bet your looks much better than my shit

[vagrant hazel]

It's not finished by any means yet.

[vagrant hazel]

Been doing some testing with the latest stuff

My replacement assets no longer load

So that's cool

[flint vapor]

Could it be that the hashes are somehow different from previous runtimes?

[vagrant hazel]

Maybe, that'd be really weird tho

Hard for me to do deep dive tests atm since I only have one working hand

In positive news though, the games performance is much better than it used to be

So that's something

The tabbing out issue seems to have been fixed, so that's nice!

Still no fog, no lights, no replacement assets

[sleek robin]

From current version of logo i don't like that "RTXREMIX" is wrote together, it just looks bad and i wonder why its even like that in a first place, as for "Scattered Paths" logo itself, that's really look good

[vagrant hazel]

Okay!

Ugh, the inventory slowdown issue has gotten worse, it now just causes a hard crash the second you open the inventory agian

[vagrant hazel]

It seems very inconsistent though, some gameruns it is back to running terribly, others it causes instant crash

[flint vapor]

This game seems to be quite the enigma

[vagrant hazel]

M'yeh.. Really starting to think the project will prolly never go anywhere due to these issues

[tacit vessel]

Kidnap EE devs

12 lashes ought to do the trick

[vagrant hazel]

Hehe don't tempt me!

[flint vapor]

geometry hashes look stable to me

taking a scene capture crashed the game

@vagrant hazel can you remind me why you wanted to avoid using the vanilla game as the basis for the remix project? so far vanilla seems to work pretty well all things considered works fine with EE it seems so no point bothering with the original

the overlook at the start is also stable

but seems like the issue of crashing when taking captures is consistent. Then again I did literally the bare minimum to make this work

[flint vapor]

installed the enhanced edition mod and followed traggey's install instructions. So far so good, some ways it's better than the original in terms of how cleanly remix works with it

also using frame generation makes it possible to play at 120fps. Which to my knowledge wasn't viable previously due to the game logic being capped at 60. FG bypasses this

captures are still crashing the game. There's probably something I'm missing

really glad the remake introduced me to this game. I'm excited to play through the original with time and should the Remix project continue I'd be honored to contribute art where the quality of my work might allow it. Traggey's work so far has been nothing short of stellar so I know the bar is high

[primal siren]

Fun fact the originals is locked at 30 and the Enhanced crew worked magic to fix it at 60 (anything above just hard crash's the engine)

[flint vapor]

yup. With vanilla you can do 60fps with frame generation since the internal framerate is 30, then that goes to 120 with the mod. Pretty good way to play, no frame gen artifacting at these framerates. Just need FSR3FG so everyone can benefit

[viral glade]

lol, I found the “test 68” texture on a cute rabbit calendar

[woven mist]

lmao

[primal siren]

Does anyone know of a way to see the whole town of silent hill 2 in like a 3d model viewer of some kind?

[gritty bough]

is that the sam and max font

[sleek robin]

It is

[woven mist]

@vagrant hazel Are you still working on remixing SH2, or you scrap it?

[vagrant hazel]

I have not given up but the game has not gotten any more functional I'm afraid so I can't continue working

[grand pine]

Arm good?

[vagrant hazel]

Slowly getting there, doing physio therapy right now, thanks for asking man, I appreciate it

[grand pine]

Np. I care about the homies.

[vagrant hazel]

Aw, that's terribly nice of ya

[vague citrus]

I hate English

It confuses me

[vagrant hazel]

Very fair X)

[woven mist]

Is there problem with Floating Point in SH2?

[vagrant hazel]

Extremely so yes, it's fine at the start of the game but the farther you move away from the games origin point it gets worse and worse

[woven mist]

Same in SH3

[dapper oyster]

Akira Yamaoka is gonna hold a concert in Shanghai at 4th of May. But i don't really feel like traveling 😢

[woven mist]

He was in Minsk 2015, I missed up this event

[dapper oyster]

He made a China band tour last year in 3 cities. But only one city this year

[grand pine]

Thoughts on SHf
Go

If this is to be trusted, then it's going to be a game for the generations

[vagrant hazel]

I love the works by the creator, so I've got my hopes up! Will reserve judgement until actual gameplay is revealed

[grand pine]

Gotcha. Looks like it's going to be amazing. The trailer was really good.

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah for sure! I really enjoyed what I saw, the Silent Hill fan in me is confused as to what any of it has to do with Silent Hill, but I'm here for the ride

[grand pine]

I don't care. Just make it scary and I'll eat it up

[vagrant hazel]

Knowing the creator it'll be good shit

Higurashi was peak early 2000's horror

[dapper oyster]

but Ryukishi07 has been writing poorly ever since he finished Umineko

[vagrant hazel]

I- I mean... Yo-you're... you're not wrong...

[dapper oyster]

I just read that he's gonna be in a music festival here too but only with 2 songs

[primal siren]

watching the reveal i thought "finally a Silent hill game again" haven't felt this since just before they canceled what PT was supposed to become

[woven mist]

Silent Hill 4 is just updated by GOG

[primal siren]

ooooh neat its already on my wishlist maybe ill actuall get it at some point

[dapper oyster]

Bought it on day one 😉

[vagrant hazel]

Oh neato!

[flint vapor]

I'm late to see it but good to hear. Serious stuff given how long it's been affecting you. Wishing you a speedy recovery from here on, sounds like you've hit big milestones 🙏 you're an incredible artist and I'd love to see your craft once again

[flint vapor]

Aye, can confirm. When I tried it myself it's actually in a pretty okay spot from my limited testing. Other than the frankly massive issue of taking scene captures crashing the game. On the other hand it's been a real joy slowly playing through the original here and there w/o Remix, and I'm certainly inspired to work on it in some capacity when compatibility/stability with Remix improves. I've lost a good amount of steam on RC tbh, but SH2 has quickly become quite special to me thanks to the remake introducing me and I want whatever work I might contribute to really do it justice. I won't be satisfied with "good enough"

[flint vapor]

Wait I forgot he blocked me

[woven mist]

[primal siren]

who blocked you?

[grand pine]

no way

lmaoooo

[grand pine]

.

[flint vapor]

.

[woven mist]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-25872920

[primal siren]

Gonna necro this chat for a sec to say i just tested on most recent unstable build and the menu crashing doesn't happen anymore and the performance is for sure an improvement!

[flint vapor]

I recall it being mostly fine when I tested a while back. It was the crashing on taking captures that was a big issue

[primal siren]

geme 5

i can capture scenes

here is the scene in blender

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah captures have always worked 🙂 That's how I started doing the bathroom and Overlook scene

[flint vapor]

They were broken when I tested. iirc I didn't run into the problems you were having but I guess there was a regression with captures in particular that's now fixed which is good. What are the remaining issues of note?

[proper grail]

No fog or light sources being picked up is the big one

Unstable hashes on James means no flashlight

which makes the game unplayable essentially

[flint vapor]

Has anyone tried integrating the remix API? That would get around this

[primal siren]

would that be possible without having to rewrite the enhanced edition dll's?

[soft gorge]

Maybe an asi loader?

[flint vapor]

my understanding is you don't have to edit any vanilla DLLs to implement the API. But I don't have the knowledge to point you in a solid direction. Could probably find the documentation somewhere

[vague citrus]

xoxor to the help

[primal siren]

i am the last guy to ask about this i am a super noob to programming (i am learning the very basics of C# right now in unity)

[vagrant hazel]

@onyx lance Xoxor my beloved, I wish to inquire as to your interest in helping me getting this running!

[woven mist]

I'm afraid that for RTX Remixing SH2 we don't need Enhanced Edition, because it patches a lot of things and rewriting a lot of VS in game, as I understood from looking in src of EE. Maybe just WidescreenPatch, or idk
https://github.com/elishacloud/Silent-Hill-2-Enhancements

We need RE vanilla game for sure, to make work simpler, or maybe I'm wrong

[vagrant hazel]

I thought EE fixed a ton of bugs?

There are crash fixes and stuff

[woven mist]

https://github.com/Sparagas/Silent-Hill/blob/main/docs/Konami skeletal model games.md
There's a struct for skeletons in SH2

https://github.com/stars/Sparagas/lists/silent-hill-2 (a lot of repos for SH2)

https://github.com/Polymega/SilentHillDatabase/blob/master/SH2/Files/mdl.md
https://github.com/Polymega/SilentHillDatabase/blob/master/SH2/SH2 PC memory addresses
Memory addresses and RE of .mdl format

[woven mist]

It fixes, but still didn't mean to integrating Remix. I mean that Fog shaders, shadows, and a lot of stuff were rewrote by SH2:EE devs, that can be a potential problem, but we can disable all that patches as far as I know

all that replace original shaders need to be disabled

also SH skinning need to be retranslated to FFP

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah in my original guide to getting it working I mention disabling all the visual options in EE

[woven mist]

In SH3 for now I can't push draw distance of engine far away, and this cause problem that not all lights are picking up, before you get closer to them

[vagrant hazel]

And that used to work

Aaah yeah that makes sense

[woven mist]

original fog shaders must be disabled, how sadly this is sounds, but it has 2 layers

2D drawed sprites and just cut off fade draw distance

Volumetric Fog can be great replacement for this

you literally need to fully understand how game works and understand it

to make full comp. mod, that because I am amazed of xoxor

this guy is crazy(in good point)

buuuut, It's possible

100%

Even with my crooked hands I made something simple to see that is possible

But if we can't replace model from Remix, we still can make that HL2 RTX devs made, just replace model from game, in SH3 it possible, and will required, because of blend shape facial animations, SH2 doesn't have it

much simpler joint facial animation

But SH engine is naughty, and can reject new models, sometimes it can be fixed with 4gb patch for .exe

[flint vapor]

assuming it's running into RAM limits, would moderately high quality skeletal meshes actually increase RAM usage by a notable amount? Since all other assets including high res textures would be brought in through Remix

[past sequoia]

True. In fact, if it were possible to replace textures within the game, you could intentionally reduce the resolution of the in-game textures so that Remix could replace them with the high res versions in order to save some RAM.

[woven mist]

One modder of SH3 from Nexus Mods wrote about crash problem with replacing models in game, and it can be fixed with 4gb patch, so...

Also UI VS must be rewrote either. Game use fade transitions between levels, and in interaction with items

Capturing last drawed frame, and alpha blend black rectangle simply

[vagrant hazel]

I just kinda find it so weird that the game used to work, especially so in the early beta test versions of remmix

And then at some point it just stopped

[woven mist]

I tested 1.3.6 with Remix, it looks like it works as before

unstable hash on skinned models, wrong translation VS's when interact with objects(game pauses and textures gone white), no light detection, game engine culling object on distance

and extremely low framerate in options(maybe because of patches of EE)

they are rewriting options menu

[proper grail]

Yeah, it seems to work the same as ever

[vagrant hazel]

@onyx lance Apologies for pinging again! I too follow Kims sentiment of being willing to throw cash your way for assistance on this ^^

[onyx lance]

If, then only after the work is done 😛
But wasnt this game remastered already?

[vagrant hazel]

The remake is a completely different game, I want to maintain the original ❤️

The OG is a classic adventure based survival horror with fixed cameras and such, whilst the new one is a more action focused third person shooty shoot

The crux here is that the game actually USED to work with remix, best compatability is the with the very first beta test some of us were invited to

But as remix has gotten updated, the compatability degraded to a point of no longer running

[proper grail]

I'd chip in if SH3 also gets some love 😏

[vagrant hazel]

Speaking of the others

https://github.com/Vatuu/silent-hill-decomp

Silent Hill 1's Decomp project is almost 100 % done!

So we'll have a native PC version that might hook into remix too ^^

[proper grail]

I'd legit pay 1k for SH1 RTX

[vagrant hazel]

RIGHT?

I do want to do SH2 first, but I'd SO remix 1 as well

[onyx lance]

I may but I already have so much on my plate 😂
I'm easily over 30 hours on carbon already but the end is somewhat near

[vagrant hazel]

Damn dude, you could be doing this fulltime at this point X) No panic! But do let me know if you find the time to peek at SH2 ❤️

[onyx lance]

50/50 split with my day to day job and this would be perfect

[viral glade]

I have some texture sources from SH1

[vagrant hazel]

Haha good'ol Robert! Of course you do!

[viral glade]

Yeaa! The research has slowed down, but I still hope to find more content that Team Silent would have used in the textures and sounds of the classic trilogy

[vagrant hazel]

It's such cool stuff ❤️ I love seeing what you find

[woven mist]

Something is going on... 🫣

[slow jacinth]

It might be wise to find as many as possible before all the obscure site links go offline or AI bots fill the internet with so much garbage that it becomes impossible to locate them

[woven mist]

Yes, we need dump all info here somehow, references to textures etc. because it come with time unavailable, and hard to search.

https://www.silenthillmemories.net/sh2/info_en.htm

this web could help with references and arts from devs

not much, but it something already

[vagrant hazel]

Holy balls what's this?!

A bug fix on MY Sh2 reports?!

I can hardly believe it, let's goo!

[proper grail]

I saw a bunch of old github issues getting replies, best check what commits they are actually referring to. Some of it is just old stuff

[vagrant hazel]

Aaah, fair fair!

[grizzled coral]

https://x.com/Rashmunchel/status/2044463748962791760

Rachel Ashmun 🟥 (@Rashmunchel)

CGI renders of James' model, restored and 4K upscaled by me.
These renders were lost media and didn't exist on the internet at all (until now at least)!
#silenthill #silenthill2

X · Apr 15, 2026, 5:11 PM

[vagrant hazel]

Oooh!

[proper grail]

Since the light translation Github issue got closed I went back and this time actually managed to implement the flashlight

[proper grail]

Forgot to mention it's actually hooked up to game logic

[flint vapor]

So straight up the game works now?

[proper grail]

I've been fixing it here and there.
Currently have implemented:

• FFP conversion of world and characters (no skinning though because apparently no actual skinned meshes are passed through to Remix?)
• fog injection (just the simple fog for now)
• fixed texture issues/weird white background during text overlays
• implemented a basic gray skybox so you get proper sky lighting

Still to do:

• implementation of complex fog somehow (hard to do because PT doesn't like moving particles like that)
• issues with certain objects, entities misplaced
• remove culling
• fix blood/footstep decals (might be an EE problem)

and prob some other things I forgot, I've been just doing this here and there for a while now

[potent jewel]

Looks really good tbh, how did you manage to get the torch to cast light but not bounce around the scene?

[proper grail]

There is light bounce, it just maybe not obvious with stock Remix tonemapper settings

This is how it'd look with light bounce off

[potent jewel]

Ah so there is, I thought it would be an aesthetic choice as lots of horror games do that for the lights.

[jolly falcon]

So hyped especially after that disappointing remake(demake).

[flint vapor]

I will not fall for the bait

[jolly falcon]

not a bait OG fans recognize trash for genz tourists..

[flint vapor]

Damn, a double bait. He’s good

[flint vapor]

I feel like it makes the most sense to use Remix’s volumetric fog first and foremost. Representing wind is probably something to look into down the line with a different method than what the vanilla game does

[vagrant hazel]

FUCKING SICK DUDE!!

[vagrant hazel]

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude you're doing this yourself?!

Absolutely amazing

[vagrant hazel]

I'm just about ready to kiss you

[proper grail]

Depends on your definition of "yourself" because I did use GPT to implement that stuff

[flint vapor]

TLDR its vibe coded

Which seems to be enabling a great many things that fully experienced programmers simply aren’t around for

[vagrant hazel]

If it works I'm willing to take anything at this point X)

[swift siren]

https://tenor.com/view/gon-ragebait-gebralha-hxh-angry-gif-3860316001089136115

[proper grail]

Yeah, that's where I'm at with that stuff as well. If the only alternative is games staying incompatible forever then might as well try AI. And considering SH2 compatibility was only stagnant or regressed these past years.. 🤷

But I'll not claim victory unless I come up with a good way to do the complex fog effect

[vagrant hazel]

You've already done bloody brilliant!

[woven mist]

decals/2D fog is hard to implement I guess, they and redners on top of every geometry, I have this issue in SH3 either, also skinning can be made in Remix. The main problem of SH3 that game draws already skinned meshes, and remix waits and unskinned(T-pose) meshes, and it cause double skinning, but I made thing that if we cache meshes of 1st frame it appears and invert them, Remix capture correct structures of skinned mesh

also game dividing meshes on segments, it's horrible

But that's really good progress

@proper grail also try enable volumetric fog in remix, and walk with flashlight enabled in game

see what happens, in my implementation of flashlight, volumetric fog is ghosting (I think because of unstable hash, light change hash when moving)

Also in cuscenes same issue

moving objects in cutscenes are just single bone skinned meshes

hard to capture sometimes

Unfortunately my Anthropic account was banned, because I used proxy to use it, and my coding skills not enough to do it with own hands xDDD

[proper grail]

The volumetric fog in RTX Remix ghosts in a lot of instances sadly, like only in the absolute optimum case does it actually look solid. Add any motion to it or like you mentioned lighting it directly and it can fall apart. I had other games where you can just forget using it. The solution will need to be some sort of new implementation of fog I think