Silent Hill 2 - Scattered Paths

[vagrant hazel]

Let's try just disabling ALL the enhancements

And see if it runs at all

[primal siren]

that's very sad cause i figured silent hill 2 would be one of the bigger games to get remix support

[vagrant hazel]

Also make sure to update your drivers to latest in case you haven't!

[vagrant hazel]

We will MAKE it one, as soon as things work decently 😛

[primal siren]

ok i disabled some settings and it just crashed faster 😄 "progress"?

[vagrant hazel]

Hahaha

I mean that's certainly SOMETHING

Maybe they've been testing with the default EE settings internally?

Instead of the ones in my guide

[primal siren]

ill give it a go

nooooooooope fast crash

[vagrant hazel]

Hmmmmmmm

And the non EE wrapper DOES work?

[proper grail]

Yeah, it does for me

Just renamed the one that comes with Remix from d3d8to9 to d3d8.dll

That's how I got those nasty screenshots I took for Github

[vagrant hazel]

Wondering if maybe they're not testing with EE at all then

[primal siren]

that would suck i hope they are

[vagrant hazel]

Could be that maybe they don't want to touch it since it can disable the CDcheck

[flint vapor]

@vagrant hazel how much are you against the idea of using the original non EE release

Fully fixed function bc DX7, so it should be by far the most ideal setup for Remix

Elisha has been making progress on his DX7 wrapper and more specifically, he's been doing work on Silent Hill 2

[vagrant hazel]

Won't work, no widescreen support and missing crucial fixes

[flint vapor]

Remix adds widescreen does it not

[vagrant hazel]

For example the game can't actually be played without it due to Securom protection being blocked on modern windows

[vagrant hazel]

EE moves the cameras to not be broken with Wide

Securom is a security risk so windows just blocks it completely

Rendering the original game unplayable

So without EE the game doesn't actually work, like at all

Unless you're on Windows XP 😛

[flint vapor]

I think I'm wrong about it being DX7, looks like the original PC release was DX8.1

[vagrant hazel]

Yes it's DX8

[flint vapor]

Which would mean Elisha's work is something separate to DXwrapper but still silent Hill 2 related

[primal siren]

didn't Elisha work on the EE project directly?

[vagrant hazel]

Huh

[flint vapor]

My mistake

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah

Elisha worked on EE

[flint vapor]

Then he might still be working on it

[vagrant hazel]

Nah we talked about it

Not for a few years

[flint vapor]

I'm subbed to his Patreon

[primal siren]

OH sweet

well thats something to look forward to at least

[flint vapor]

It's possible it's not stuff that would help with Remix but Elisha has found Remix interesting in the past. So knows, maybe the big surprise will be EE changes specifically for remix compatibility (very wishful thinking)

[primal siren]

any update is nice though better stability or more features is never a bad thing

[flint vapor]

Well if you're feeling bold you could always tag him, he's in the server

It's probably under wraps but at the very least he could deliver the heartbreaking news that it's not related to remix in any capacity

[flat idol]

known issue on alt tabbing for several games. We're tracking it internally already

It came up in General a month or so ago:
#general-remix message

Dunno if there's a github for it

[vagrant hazel]

Awesome, great to hear, thanks man

[flint vapor]

@vagrant hazel I've been ignored

[vagrant hazel]

What! Huh!

[flint vapor]

Ahem!

Counterevidence!

Btw that post was just yesterday

[vagrant hazel]

Well then they got back into it XD

[vagrant hazel]

Hmm yeah been at it all morning, can't get into game with EE no matter what I seem to change

[desert patrol]

is EE necessary, or perhaps rtx-remix on it's own could provide widescreen adaptation, etc?

[vagrant hazel]

EE modifies every single camera in the game so that they don't clip through things when in widescreem

If using a widescreen mod for non-EE, you'll notice the camera often clips through walls etc

[flint vapor]

Couldn't that be solved by changing the level geo via remix?

[vagrant hazel]

That would require changing the layout of the levels, the cameras need to be adjusted, not the other way around

You can't just move walls around

[flint vapor]

Not moving them around, but cutting parts where the camera would intersect. I'm probably missing the context of the game's structure

[vagrant hazel]

If this is the playable space example, a hallway and a room

You can't just cut parts of that geometry out, as when you step out into the hallway to look at it, it'll be all fucked up

The only solution is moving the camera

[flint vapor]

Yep, that's the kind of context I was referring to. Makes sense

[desert patrol]

would it be possible to move cameras in remix?

[vagrant hazel]

Remix can't edit any gameplay stuff

[primal siren]

maybe you can ask Elisha to work with the remix wrapper and have that make the changes but then it might just become incompatible again anyway

[flint vapor]

Elisha is probably capable of it but it's not a given he'd work on it for Remix's sake. He seems interested in Remix but he's definitely doing his own thing on the wrapper side at least

[vagrant hazel]

I mean it's already done for EE, and remix USED to work with EE

But with the last few versions of remix it has been harder and harder to get into game until finally this last version came around and just completely broke compat

So it's clearly a remix side issue and not the game itself nor the mod

[primal siren]

yeah but that means getting it fixed is harder and we are all hoping for an easier fix lol

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah possibly :/

[vagrant hazel]

@proper grail@primal sirenhttps://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/405#issuecomment-2117800108

Could you two attach any logs generated when you try to run the game with EE active?

[flint vapor]

^

I'd love to see this project come to fruition, so I hope the issues get figured out

[primal siren]

Busy weekend but i promise ill try

[gaunt wedge]

i wonder, are there any changes that could be made in EE itself to improve compatibility?

a custom fork to do this maybe?

[vagrant hazel]

No clue, I don't touch any coding or scripting stuff what so ever so that's way beyond me

And regardless, the game did work before, now it doesn't, sounds like a remix issue more than an EE issue

But I might talk to the EE team at some point about it, but I want to have something presentable first

[gaunt wedge]

yeah i'm not claiming EE broke anything or that it's on their end. just that Remix does like specific things and it may just be easier to modify EE to achieve it

[vagrant hazel]

Yeeh that's just a lot of extra work to slap onto them

I want to make sure they can actually see a reason for it first

[gaunt wedge]

i meant more of a community project here rather than on them

if we have people that are interested and can do it, that is

i'd offer my help, but i wouldn't be of much assistance with it 😦

[vagrant hazel]

SPooky thing about that is that modders come and go

Having to rely on a single individual for the whole project to proceed is a scary route to go down

Especially when it's things I can't do anything with myself as an artist-only

[gaunt wedge]

yeah it's not ideal. just an idea. if Nvidia can't get it working, it may come to that unfortunately

[vagrant hazel]

According to what they posted they've tested a bunch of fixes internally and have it working there

So I still have some hope at least

[gaunt wedge]

that's good 🙂

[primal siren]

I have submitted my log files!

[vagrant hazel]

Thanks mate ❤️

[primal siren]

upon new info i have found out i was doing a poor job of submitting log files so ima go test like 4 versions of remix with the game and resubmit my log files

[primal siren]

Good news it does still work on stable builds!

[vagrant hazel]

So the issue seems to be that the auto downloader downloads different versions that just aren't the stable ones?

[gaunt wedge]

the auto downloader uses the latest github actions builds. these are almost always okay to use, but sometimes there are regressions

i think Omen is using 0.5.1

[proper grail]

Does the game still crash with the latest stable build?

[primal siren]

all the recent test's i have done they havn't worked with either Silent hill 2 or Taz wanted they just hard crash both games but the stable releases run fine

[gaunt wedge]

but what version?

0.5.1?

[primal siren]

i have an unstable build of 0.5.0 and 0.5.1

[primal siren]

i can post the build_names.txt of both builds if you want

[vagrant hazel]

That'd be great!

[primal siren]

The builds from my unstable 0.5.0:

The builds from unstable 0.5.1:

[vagrant hazel]

Thanks for uploading your tests to that thread!

Helps me a ton ❤️

[primal siren]

no problem and when im feeling better i will try to get more data on the crashing problem from the inventory menu

can we submit video links or files to the reports?

[vagrant hazel]

I sent them youtube links in one of mine

[paper zinc]

👀 Lots of reference material just dropped.

[primal siren]

i think Traggey wanted to keep it closer to the original style so he is just barely touching up the assets that's there for the most part

[dapper oyster]

The remake just doesn't feel right in many perspective

[proper grail]

The Bloober must be kept separate from the original game at all costs

[desert patrol]

perhaps there would be a way to mod the remake and create characters closer to original (assuming they're using UE5 and it would be possible to rig up meta human)

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah I'm not takinga ny inspiration from the remake what so ever

I'm remaking everything form scratch yes, but my goal is to keep it looking like the original game

[hard vigil]

To be honest I'm already thinking about making OG outfit for Maria 😅

[primal siren]

Im hoping someone makes a mod to replace james's model with the dbd model they did a decent job of remaking him tbh

[grizzled coral]

I feel the remake feels in your face

Like the original feels subtle

[desert patrol]

original is odd in many ways, which is kinda the goal. also some hallways feel way narrower than they should be, while in remake locations seem 'spacious' as they would be irl.

[vagrant hazel]

The remake has lost all the subtlety, as expected from Bloober team

[desert patrol]

pretty sure there's plenty of their own subtlely. most of the subtle stuff in original is really left to imagination often

[vagrant hazel]

Judging by all of bloobers previous work, I highly doubt that

[desert patrol]

well, I liked Observer though, and Medium was ok, although the 'maw' thing... would be better if it didn't talk at all

[vagrant hazel]

I seeeriously disliked both Observer and The Medium

It's such a god damned shame that Rutger Hauer's last performance went to that game

[primal siren]

My biggest gripe with Bloober Team is how unoriginal they are like you know they just saw the PT and wanted to make that again but also ripped off other things in the process (including using a still frame from an Indiana Jones movie and making very little attempt to disguise this fact) so anything i did think was neat i immediately thought "so is this actually their idea or did they just rip it off"

[vagrant hazel]

Hahahah wait I haven't heard this still frame story

[primal siren]

it's well documented hol up ill find the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_uD7gxIF2s&t=1s

[vagrant hazel]

OH SHIT I REMEMBER SEEING THIS

Ahahahaha

That's fucking amazing

[grizzled coral]

yknow what sucks people are blindly eating this remake up

[vagrant hazel]

I mean I'm happy people will get enjoyment out of it, it's cool!

But it's also a real shame that future generations will think of this remake instead of the masterpiece that is the original :/

[grizzled coral]

there seems to be conflict

[vagrant hazel]

That just comes with bloober team haha

[desert patrol]

the thing they did with still from indiana jones I don't really care about, this kind of thing can be considered easter egg in many other games. but the patent on the split screen presentation is a big wtf moment

[desert patrol]

nah, I don't think they will. I think the more time passes, the more people dig up some ancient origins of many things that are considered classic

either way, considering Dead Space remake was deemed 'not successful enough' despite being near flawless, I think even with good reviews SH2 remake isn't gonna make a lot of money

[primal siren]

if it was that one thing i could maybe pass it off as a cheeky refrence but its everything combined that makes it feel more like they were just lazy

[vagrant hazel]

Yeaah idk, you can't get the original games anymore

[primal siren]

This does kind of sadden me because we really do need a 1 for 1 remake of the original silent hill available on platforms other than the PS1,PS2 or PS3

[vagrant hazel]

And they go for like 200 dollars in retro stores now

[primal siren]

Yes that's why its so sad there is NO other way to enjoy these games anymore 😄

[desert patrol]

well there are always torrents and such for archive purposes. but yeah, just using torrents even for legal stuff can get you a fine in some europe countries.

[vagrant hazel]

No piracy talk on the server btw 🙂

[primal siren]

sad that its all abandonware now when they could easily get 3 of the original 4 silent hill games on steam if they wanted to

[vagrant hazel]

4 is on gog

For some weird reason

[primal siren]

oh yeah it is lol if that game hadn't pissed me off i would buy it

[vagrant hazel]

Yeaaah there are parts I really enjoy about 4

Like the apartment stuff, super cool

But then there's the rest of the game XD

[primal siren]

i never actually beat it because finding out the throw away line about her feeling worse when you aren't with her actually affects the games ending is the biggest kick in the teeth

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah you have to stick with her and also make sure she's not taking damage either

Cause you can just fuck yourself over completely

[primal siren]

i did then i quit because i did not feel like playing the WHOLE game again (maybe this or next year ill give it a go)

[vagrant hazel]

I think it's worth it just cause if you're a fan of SH

But eeeh

1-3 are the ones people really SHOULD play

[primal siren]

Agreed

[grizzled coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LvDdzWG8ks&t=79s

so i ask why didnt they get sato to do the charcaters

since you know he knows them like the back of his hand

[vagrant hazel]

He works at Nintendo now I believe

[grizzled coral]

well shit but yeah this remake lost the magic without sato

[vagrant hazel]

Yeeeh

I also feel odd about how everyone is throwing Masahiro Itos name around for the remake

Because like, Ito only did the monster designs for SH2 right?

I know he modeled some of the environments for 1

But he wasn't the bloody art director

[grizzled coral]

yep

[primal siren]

It's funny they used to blur Guy Cihi's face

[grizzled coral]

heres a fun fact they used guy cihi face for silent hill 2

[fossil hinge]

on the plus side, modders of the caliber and dedication of the EE guys will undoubtedly fix such issues to make it a more authentic SH2 experience

eventually anyway

[desert patrol]

but he explained that he had to manually animate some facial expressions because motion capture of that time missed a lot of details. obviously not the case at all for what's done in remake. perhaps now they captured a bit too much details?

[grizzled coral]

That could be the case

[desert patrol]

of course to recreate original performances you'd want same person to direct all of it

[grizzled coral]

Which they never did

[spice haven]

I wonder to know is it possible to port models from the game and put it in substance painter and give it new texture and then replace it in the game ?

[cinder socket]

How's it going

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/631299584722993153/1247765795979661443/IMG_20240603_135553_340.png?ex=666137f4&is=665fe674&hm=a1e2f9749232acf60bd5b76a943d2e8074507b92932fb09f9ccf6ce15a86c482&

[vagrant hazel]

Wouldnt look great but yes that's possible

[spice haven]

Why not great I mean old games have limitations right ?

[vagrant hazel]

Huh?

[spice haven]

I mean high poly models

[spice haven]

So what's your suggestion

[vagrant hazel]

Remix isn't reliant on the old game engine polycounts

So that's not an issue

Remix can handle buttloads of polies np

[dapper oyster]

at least Oberver had an okay plot which non of their other games managed to produce

[dapper oyster]

2nd-hand ps2 copy is about 20 bucks in Japan lol and it supports both Japanese & English

[vagrant hazel]

If only I lived in japan 😭

Well, I already have the console versions, but still

[dapper oyster]

pay the fee of shipping then

[vagrant hazel]

I'll do it when I'm on vacation there hah

Got a few other jp only collectors stuff I want to pick up

[dapper oyster]

maybe i should pay a visit too 😆

[vagrant hazel]

Heccyeah!

[dapper oyster]

but i'm gonna visit HongKong first

[dapper oyster]

it's only 2 hours of flight from here but I'm not really into tourism & traffic😢

[vagrant hazel]

Ooooh! That's close! I'm going to hit up Japan soon but also Taiwan, have some friends there

[dapper oyster]

nice!

Still I'm thinking about ordering SH2R. But I would definitly hate myself if I paid for things that won't please me.

[vagrant hazel]

Wait until it's out on steam, play test it for an hour and a half

If it ain't your thing, refund it, if you like it, enjoy!

[dapper oyster]

Or I could buy a PS5 disc and sell it or give to a friend after playthrough 😉

[vagrant hazel]

Trudat!

Unless it's digital only XD

[dapper oyster]

like Alan Wake 2 lol

AW2 has its charm but I can't say it's really my thing

[vagrant hazel]

I haven't played it yet! Looking forward to

[dapper oyster]

and it's freakkinnnnnnnnng buggy on release

so i did regretted buying. But it's digital only!

[dapper oyster]

I'm more into the style of the first AW game

[dapper oyster]

wait for a free giveaway from Epic then 😆

[vagrant hazel]

Naaw I have money, I loved the original game and I want to support my fellow nordic devs!

[dapper oyster]

I remembered how i preordered Control and it's free from every store after a year

I mean digitaly

PSN XBOX EPIC GOG either gives away free copies of Control or make it avaliable from their membership

And I do think making a 60 dollar game go free so fast would push players away from buying their games anymore

[vagrant hazel]

Shrug I always pay if I want to play something regardless

As a dev I want to make sure to support my fellahs y'kno

[dapper oyster]

It's truely nice of u. But not everybody thinks this way

[vagrant hazel]

For sure!

[dapper oyster]

Anyway, gonna wait and see if SH2R has more reliable footage to show for us which somehow can convince its audience.

But the game seems so inconsistent in the trailers that's only 4 months away from the release date

Let's hope they can make miracles come true 😆

[desert patrol]

unfortunately, paying for a game, especially one that was released long time ago, doesn't mean you get to support actual developers. sure you might be sponsoring their next development to extent, if it doesn't get cancelled. and only if they're still around in the studio.

when getting second-hand game on disc, it's really no different than pirating it in terms of how it affects developers or even publisher. unless it's some official reselling service, which I don't know if those exist

[grizzled coral]

Yknow what would be nice if someone found the sgi files for fmv cutscenese and see if they would play nicely with remix

[vagrant hazel]

I'm fully aware ^^ I'm a fulltime dev myself

But piracy talk is against server rules, so please stay of that topic

[dreamy kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/whitepeopledancing-dancing-windows95-win95-microsoft-gif-7658602

[desert patrol]

sure

[vagrant hazel]

So project update, a few weeks ago Nvidia marked a bunch of my tickets as fixed, awesome! Haven't had time to test until now.

Sadly none of the tickets marked as fixed have been fixed at all, and all the issues persist as previously

However, now there are new ones, yay.

Seems like the game still manages to pick up the metalness maps for my replacement assets, but not a single one of my other textures work anymore

So normal maps, roughness, Albedo and height are now completely non-functional on replacement assets

Hmm actually no the normal maps still work too

Was just hard to see through the AI noise

So yeah, I don't know wtf is happening anymore, another huge regression for SH2

[proper grail]

Are all the file paths set the same way between the individual materials? I had weird issues with textures suddenly not working anymore before and the only way to fix it was by relinking them through the /deps/ folder or whatever it's called

Although in those instances the textures showed up black instead of white

[vagrant hazel]

These are the exact same mod files from the previous versions that worked fine

[desert patrol]

I had a case with The Thing, were I would delete certain textures from game files, but they still appear in rtx-remix. seems like rtx runtime stores cache somewhere in appdata?

[flint vapor]

@flat idol is there a particular reason why Silent Hill 2 seems to have so many unique issues with Remix? AFAIK it should be a good candidate, it's a DX8 game wrapped to DX9 using a community fix that solves many of the original port's issues. There shouldn't be any crazy use of shaders or anything like that but I could be wrong

(meant to remove the @ traggey sorry!)

I feel like every time I roll around to see how things are going here it's just more and more broken

[flat idol]

I can't say for certain - I haven't been involved, but from a quick skim it sounds like we haven't been able to reproduce a lot of the issues internally.

[flint vapor]

I wonder if the community fix is doing non standard methods for the visual fixes they use. Pulled that out of nowhere but in tech there's always a reason, just it can be hell to find it

From what I've seen you guys here have been testing various builds right? If you could narrow down which builds bring the regressions I'm sure it would be very helpful for Nvidia

[proper grail]

The biggest issues preventing proper remixing are the same between vanilla and Enhanced Edition. Only EE-exclusive issue is that it stopped working with a recent build.

Which is a big issue

[vagrant hazel]

It's odd that you can't reproduce them, as all of them seem to happen to those who have tested in here

[flint vapor]

Question is if they explicitly tested SH2 with the community fix

Surely they've looked at SH2 before but it's the fix that might be needed for replicating

Then again gab mentioned most issues happen with or without it

[vagrant hazel]

All of the issues happen without EE too, except for the crash on startup one

Which has been fixed

In my tickets I've submitted installation instructions and the exact settings needed for EE in order to make the game work too

My settings disable all the new stuff they've implemented that relies on shaders etc

[oak wren]

There could be differences in our setup versus yours. We aren't doubting the validity of the tickets, just having trouble reproing the exact problems.

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah I'm just curious is all! Each of us here are experiencing the problems, so something must be differing in what we're doing

[topaz gust]

yeah, this sort of stuff can be super difficult, and we appreciate the patience

I can tell you from experience, even in the most controlled environments, just handing over repros can be amazingly difficult --- I spent years at NV on our driver team, and learned first hand how hard it is to move repros even from our internal QA (who works on reproducing and documenting bugs day in and day out) back to an engineer's desk, and that's within the same company

saw the same thing when working with game studios, at which point the distance made it 10x more difficult (and we'd sometimes have to fly out to figure out what was going on)

[vagrant hazel]

Haha yeah I feel you! We launched a title on PS5 last night and that alone has been quite the rumble!

[topaz gust]

heh, congrats! yeah, it's nerve-wracking sometimes

[vagrant hazel]

Cheers ^^ Been my first console release, big hype

[topaz gust]

all to say that we do take this stuff seriously, and we understand the frustration --- we're trying to figure out what process gaps we can plug here

but this will be hard no matter how much better we get, it's just a very complex problem, and Remix is super complicated as well just due to the nature of how it works

we very much appreciate you and everyone else pointing out when things aren't fixed, that's a necessary step for us to... well.. actually fix them 🙂

[vagrant hazel]

Aye! Every game is unique is some way so there won't be a nice and easy solution for absolutely everything either!

[topaz gust]

our process is also (and probably always will be) a bit of a work-in-progress, but we do try to put in the work 🙂

[vagrant hazel]

Well if there's anything we can do on our end to help make the process easier do let us know!
Although I know I tried using the debug builds a while back and confirmed that none of them appear to be working with the game sadly

[topaz gust]

I think you're doing the right thing by pointing out what isn't fixed, that's largely what we need

we can't promise we'll turn things around in a specific timeline, unfortunately

[vagrant hazel]

Naw that's perfectly understandable, I'm okay with putting the project on low heat for a while!

[topaz gust]

we were able to deliver a lot in my perhaps-not-so-humble opinion, but we're still a very small team

that said, we want to do our best to keep supporting all these mods, which is why we're looking into what specifically failed here that we can address

[vagrant hazel]

That's good to hear! Let me know if I or any of the others can help!

[oak wren]

Hey Traggey,

We had a process breakdown where we evidently closed some SH2 tickets that should have remained open. We apologize if that made you or your team feel like your project wasn't a priority. We really appreciate how active you all are with filing tickets--they are crucial for helping us determine the priority of problems we want to solve.

1. From our current internal review, we believe this one is fixed:
   https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/291#issuecomment-2156122713

And these issues are outstanding:
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/295#event-13102034612
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/296#event-13101988360
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/405#issuecomment-2156117414
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/293#issuecomment-2156121815
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/292#issuecomment-2156122037
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/402#issuecomment-2098937755
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/294#issuecomment-2156122957

Is there something we didn't get right from our review?

2. We want to turn to your team when we have issues trying to repro the above problems, as we work our way through them. But I also want to set expectations--there are a lot of games that need compatibility work done with Remix, and we are trying to solve them all in parallel. That means we can't guarantee timelines on any fixes, yet alone all of these.

What would be most helpful is if your team could prioritize the outstanding issues in order of importance to help us decide which ones to tackle first, and then ping me. But even with that prioritiization, i'll add the cause of the issue (bridge, rendering, etc.) may require specific expertise on the team that are juggling other features and fixes. We may still deliver solutions to those tickets in a different priority than you lay out based on which parts of our team have availability to focus on the problems here.

We want to help here but want to be transparent about what that looks like. If you have any questions, please let me know.

[vagrant hazel]

Yo, well you can mark this one as fixed! https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/294#issuecomment-2156122957

That was done quite a while ago and I haven't had any issues since that update came along

In order of importance- @oak wren

1 - https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/292#issuecomment-2156122037 ( Game can not be played without player flashlight )

2 - https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/405#issuecomment-2156117414 ( Game can not be played without the inventory )

3 - https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/293 ( Game is built around the distance fog and will just break down completely on a visual basis without it )

4 - https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/296#event-13101988360 ( Ruins the visuals of some in-game cutscenes and any time you interact with an object.

5 - https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/402 ( This can be fixed by disabling micro opacity maps so not an insane issue, but worth looking into )

6 - https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/295#event-13102034612 ( Just a general pain in the butt when trying to work on the mod, but nothing game-breaking )

[flint vapor]

Wholesome. We love ya Nvidia Remix team

[weary cairn]

Hey @vagrant hazel when you get a chance, can you share your latest rtx.conf and bridge.conf files here? I noticed that they're absent from your startup guide, and I'd like to skim through. I've inferred many settings from the logs posted in the bugs, but latest and greatest would be best 👍

[vagrant hazel]

Sure thing!

Not sure how up to date these actually are as I've had to redo them a buncha times

I'll take a quick peek through

@weary cairn So opacity Micromaps are still enabled with these settings, which I think might be fine now? I'm not seeing that crash anymore so that's cool.
Also worth noting that these settings have a spherical fallback light enabled in order to see the environments at all

But the rest looks like it should

Bunch of unmarked textures as well from when I had to restart

So some texts won't be visible and particle fog will be messy

[vagrant hazel]

So just did a test again with latest and it seems like my albedo textures are loading in again so that's awesome!

However the game does now just crash after about 2 seconds of gameplay without fail

It seems like the Micro opacity map crash but I can't run the game long enough to try and turn it off haha

Hmmm naw couldn't be! rtx.opacityMicromap.enable = False
It's already off in my conf

[proper grail]

Silent Hill 2 has gotta be the most crash happy game to run with RTX Remix

[vagrant hazel]

It's truly a miracle ain't it! But at least my textures work again so that's sweet!

[desert patrol]

it happens that I haven't yet tried rtx remix on SH2, I'll try with latest rtx runtime and see how it goes for me

[slow jacinth]

it's not even out yet

I guarantee you that it will receive very positive reviews

[vagrant hazel]

Ain't nobody can tell until people get to play it

Tends to be how games go

[cinder socket]

I observed this in r/silenthill and yt/thegamingmuse

outside of those two, people aren't even keen and instead have the consensus below in other subs

because Konami is Konami and Konami is the worst.
also Bloober Team that made some of the most narratively blunt horror games in the past decade

[dapper oyster]

https://youtu.be/2mAkn64FQDU?si=3rs9cx46pAl5i7IV

The animation seems very inconsistent and stiff 🤨

[cinder socket]

Yeah, there's genuine jank in there

kinda bummed me out because I really liked the designs

[vagrant hazel]

I live and breathe for these kinds of B production values

Absolutely love the look of this XD

[proper grail]

Me too, I can't wait

[spice haven]

So using substance painter is not good I mean with giving new texture to old models ?

[vagrant hazel]

It's fine? But you'll still be stuck with low poly assets

So I'd rather do it proper

[spice haven]

So we can make the model from 0 ?

[vagrant hazel]

Like the primary issue there, is that it'll be low poly, and you won't have proper normal maps or heightmaps to work with

[spice haven]

In blender or zbrush

[vagrant hazel]

That's what I've been doing yes

[spice haven]

I might be help you if I learn it and if you like

[vagrant hazel]

I have high standards so if you're not a modeler already that might be hard! But you're welcome to give it a shot?

[spice haven]

Ye but as you say high standard I will watch lots of course and practice more

[vagrant hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-forger-anya-spy-x-family-anime-salute-salute-gif-okey-dokey-gif-25700022

[primal siren]

@spice haven @vagrant hazel I have had an idea i figured i could just run by you guys, why doesn't Traggey make his version that's very faithful to the original and then when he is done he can lend us (if he is willing of course) his Remix settings and textures and we can create high polly models and make our own remix pack together Parsapk17 then both options are available of a more accurate and faithful pack and a higher polly more detailed pack

[vagrant hazel]

I'm not just making textures though

I'm making models from scratch

So my assets wouldn't really be of any use

BUT!

[primal siren]

ah well i guess we could just borrow the remix settings and recreate the assets ourselves then

[vagrant hazel]

When my mod is done, I actively encourage people to do their own tweaks and changes to it if they wish ^^ That's totally cool with me

I do have some fun ideas of that myself actually

[primal siren]

so you would be cool with us using your models as a base then just adding details then?

[vagrant hazel]

Like making a christmas USD layer that just adds jolly christmas decorations everywhere XD

[vagrant hazel]

As long as my work is kept as far away from AI as possible and I'm credited for my work, I'm totally cool with you guys doing more stuff to it!

[primal siren]

more than fair terms so it's up to @spice haven if he likes the idea

[spice haven]

I'm actually like this idea and I can help but after 1 week I will be free and as I said I will need some more time and I was thinking we can also make a better menu and add some more options to the game for example in options you can choose ps5 or xbox controller and...

I can sculpt the characters too but I need more time for it

[primal siren]

well it's gonna take a while before the game is playable in remix start to finish then we have to wait for Traggey to work on his version as a base for ours also i'm pretty sure the enhanced edition already supports both PS5 and Xbox controllers and updated the menu's

[spice haven]

I can show some of my sculpt in your direct if you like

[primal siren]

yeah sure

[echo oasis]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1410336918

!!!!!!!!!!

[vagrant hazel]

That project is super cool ^^

Haven't seen any updates in like a year though

Which is such a shame :/

[primal siren]

aww man i got my hopes up for a second 😦

[vagrant hazel]

Yeeeh, I hope they come back!

[primal siren]

something i have wanted for years was the option for a first person mode for a project i had in mind

[echo oasis]

Have you tried using the program yet?

And if so

Have you tested importing a custom model into a level?

[vagrant hazel]

Uuuh I don't think it's out?

And regardless it doesn't help me with my remix mod so no I haven't touched it!

[echo oasis]

It is

I have it

@vagrant hazel

https://github.com/pmttavara/ph2/releases/download/latest/ph2ed_proto.zip

[vagrant hazel]

I ain't downloading no direct github link 😛

But thanks

I don't have any use of it for this mod but I might peek at it in the future, it's a very interesting project

[echo oasis]

I gave a direct link because I figured it'd be easier considering how shit GitHub's UI is

https://github.com/pmttavara/ph2

not much has changed from the link I provided before

[vagrant hazel]

RIght, just generally, good thing to avoid direct dl links like that

[obtuse saddle]

How is the project going?

[vagrant hazel]

Stuck for now as the game has some serious compatability issues with remix

I've submitted tickets for them but all I can do is wait and pray that they'll get looked at and fixed

[mossy dust]

Hope you can continue working on peak

[vagrant hazel]

Me too! Some exciting stuff coming next remix release, I'll finally be able to make custom decals!!

[grand pine]

.

[vagrant hazel]

Ye

[vagrant hazel]

https://x.com/WhereAllBegins/status/1819159478882701605

Silent Hill 2: Enhanced Edition (@WhereAllBegins) on X

Programmer, reverse engineer, and Silent Hill mega-fan Laura Ann has made an online Silent Hill 2 .mdl viewer. 🤯 Be sure to check it out!
https://t.co/DhxUTm68qY

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 11:53 PM

Ooooh~

[primal siren]

It's a shame there isn't a download feature

oh wait i think you can

ok that could be an amazing help

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah it's SUPER cool! 😄

[primal siren]

Sadly they don't have the crt from the clock apartment

[dapper oyster]

Akira Yamaoka is coming to China again for some anime con next month.
It seems that he doesn't have much work to do with new games 😆

[vagrant hazel]

I wanna see him toooooooooo~!

But yeah I'd imagine he's finished up with those since loooong

Like bloober has claimed that SH2 remake is done, and that Konami is the one holding it back

So there's probably some real intense internal shit happening there

[dapper oyster]

The con is very far from my place so i probably not gonna pay a visit this time tho.🙃

[dapper oyster]

yeah and there's not enough advertising for a game that will come out 2 months later

I hope they done right

[vagrant hazel]

Yeeeeh I mean I was already incredibly skeptical because I really dislike bloober, but this is really worrying ^^'

[dapper oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Savmy2M1EJs

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah I saw this on twitter earlier! It's a cool mod for sure but it really goes to show how much character those oldschool cameras create

I think this third person thing feels really stale

[dapper oyster]

i tried a bit with SH4 and it was mind blowing

so much detailes unseened

like the ceiling of this room

[vagrant hazel]

Hahaha yeah Team Silent really went all out on that stuff, there's so much in SH2 and even SH1 that you can barely see

[dapper oyster]

totally

[vagrant hazel]

I feel like it really kills the horror of it all, like it's not scary anymore what so ever

[dapper oyster]

well those who play the game nowadays could enjoy some new angles for their next run

most ppl had beat the game before

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah for sure, it's a super cool mod and a neat way to re-play the games I think ^^

[dapper oyster]

yeah, it gives ppl reason to try again

[vagrant hazel]

Fo'sho!

Now I have to build this mod with that camera in mind XD

[covert sun]

💚 Hello Project Leads! 💚
Are you leading a Remix Mod Project? I'm eager to hear all about it! Please feel free to send me a direct message so we can discuss your project in more detail.

[desert patrol]

I don't think it does. it only provides a different, more of a personal point of view, with different feel and experience. Even though game wasn't tailored for it, it still works surprisingly well in the demo, so worth having another perspective.

[vagrant hazel]

It's awesome you feel that way ^^ More stuff to enjoy!

For me, it doesn't work at all

I feel the same with other franchises like RE

[desert patrol]

like, you still don't see what's around the corner when it comes to fear of unknown, but yeah, you don't get those specific moments where game forces you to go in a blind spot of a camera

[vagrant hazel]

Personally I feel that there's a good reason we don't let the viewer pick their own camera angles in movies

I see this the same way, it's way more effective if it's done by someone who knows what's up

[desert patrol]

I think it's worth noting that first person view in RE7 made it way out of comfort zone for some players that played other games in the series just fine

because game was tailored for it

[vagrant hazel]

I love RE7 X)

[spice haven]

Does it use substance painter ?

[vagrant hazel]

What?

It's just a model viewer

[primal siren]

a better question i guess would be can you import the file type into substance painter?

[vagrant hazel]

I wouldn't know! Substance sure doesn't have .mdl support so I'd assume not.
But I haven't tried, not really interested in doing so

[crimson briar]

May be possible to convert from .mdl to a more common model format, do your work in substance painter, then convert back to .mdl if there are proper tools for conversion.

[vagrant hazel]

It's a fundamentally flawed workflow though, simply smacking PBR stuff from substance onto these old textures and low poly models won't look amazing by any means

[crimson briar]

Totally agreed, I try to rebuild models and textures from scratch when possible.

[vagrant hazel]

Aye, that's how I'm approaching this entire project, I'm rebuilding everything from scratch

[dapper oyster]

https://youtu.be/197HwuGGF74?si=c9No5zf95ekR48QB

Gosh this looks awful

[primal siren]

It's ok konami we get it

you don't want to make games anymore that's fine just stop doing this to us it hurts

[vagrant hazel]

To their credit

They fixed this

It doesn't look as horrendous anymore

But in the end I just who heartedly disagree with the direction they're taking the game

[primal siren]

the line with laura saying "hurt by what?" has the subtlety of a sledgehammer with a landmine strapped to the head

[tacit vessel]

"direction" is a rather generous way to refer to this slop of a clueless imitation

[dapper oyster]

They didn't even try with the jail scene

Worse performance than the HD collection vo

Maria delivered the lines with the lifeless tone of Google voice assistant

[primal siren]

But this time they are highly paid "professional" voice actors therefor its way better than the stinky originals

[dapper oyster]

The way she said 'james honey' reminds me of this video

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah very true, "Subtlety" is bloobers speciality

[echo compass]

idk looks good to me, definitely will buy this

[dapper oyster]

https://youtu.be/iHoZ8B8Og-k?si=2FevGnPscx3O2wtk

Trying to get back the vibe a little bit

[ivory briar]

I generally don't mind the new direction since the original exists (and will continue to, some way or another), so even if it ends up not going down as well, it's not much harm done really. that all being said I do think the Maria cell scene here is weaker than it was in the original. I could go either way on most of the other "cinematics" they've shown thus far, but putting a depth of field blur on Maria doesn't seem like the way to go

I can see maybe what they were going for - the juxtaposition of saying "I'm real" whilst she hazily fades off into the background due to the blur - but the uncomfortable hyper-reality of the original cutscene (which is the most uncannily real the original Silent Hill 2 cutscenes get imo) gets across a lot of the sinister ideas anyway

[vagrant hazel]

I just wish the original was for sale somewhere

If it was, I'd be fine

[primal siren]

I still don't get why it's not been thrown on GOG or steam they don't even have to bother fixing it other people have they just make free money out of it

[vagrant hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-frank-sheldon-christopher-walken-the-outlaws-fine-gif-25275641

[woven mist]

I liked trailer and gameplay that konami showed

With today's trends and time, it's imposible to make Silent Hill 2 Remake in that way, that we played in original. Game just will not sale, a lot of gamers just will drop game, because they don't understand where they need to go, and no action, etc.

Looks good, ye strange animations, but hey, they really trying to best that they can! I don't think KONAMI gave them much of money

[dapper oyster]

Maybe they didn't prepare for further release when resign the contract for the HD collection. So they had to do more work with the copyright if there's a re-release which they don't bother?

[vagrant hazel]

I doubt that, they own all the rights

[dapper oyster]

definitely not with SH3

[vagrant hazel]

No? 😮

Who on earth owns the rights to that then, I can't think of anyone else?

[dapper oyster]

well they didnt have the right to use the OG VO of SH3 in HDC so they only contained the redubbed version.

and if they didnt resgin the contracts we wont hear the OG VO in SH2HD either

[primal siren]

i might be a bit confused here but why would they port the hd collection to pc when there are more functional versions already on pc? i don't think they would have to sign a new contract they own the performances thats why guy cihi got confused and thought he was owed more money when he wasn't. if you mean the remake though we already know they are new voice actors

[dapper oyster]

I don't know if they'd have copyright problem with reselling old pc version or not.
But games like Onimusha3 got removed from steam store due to that kinda problem.

[grizzled coral]

im going to be honest this looks ugly its looses a lot of the subtlety of the original

It's like they remembered Eddie from SH2 and thought 'oh man Eddie was crazy'

[vagrant hazel]

Yeaah, they've done some things to fix James which I appreciate, but Eddie ain't it :/

[grizzled coral]

heres og eddie like he just looks a regualr dude

[flint vapor]

The culture's changed. OG Eddie doesn't fit what current day America views as fat. Just overweight

I'll be honest I never experienced the original game, but I think with remakes there are times where it's fair to make departures here and there. James was awful before and they did a great job making him more like the OG. But from what I know about Eddie's character, the new design and mannerisms seem to fit what he represents within the story

[grizzled coral]

its not

[vagrant hazel]

Not at all

Eddies behaviour is supposed to slowly sneak up on you, it's not obvious right away

This redesign slaps you in the face with it

[grizzled coral]

see eddie is supposed to gradually go insane

[flint vapor]

That's not what I meant, I meant the backstory. I don't know the context of his progression in the story so I can't comment on that bit

[flint vapor]

He didn't come off as insane from what I remember in the new trailer. Just extremely depressed to the point of no longer caring

Insane is a step beyond that

[vague citrus]

Hyper realistic peter Griffen

[vagrant hazel]

Kind of a moot discussion given you don't know the source material, can't really say anything that means anything to you ^^'

I'm not a fan of his redesign, I feel it has indeed lost the subtle touches of the OG

Which is what SH is all about

[flint vapor]

I disagree, knowing that he has a progression to insanity alone is helpful to understand the context that I'm missing

[vagrant hazel]

Okay

[flint vapor]

And I do have other remakes I am more familiar with in terms of the source material, and I think there's been more than a few times there's been meaningful changes from the original in character that worked extremely well

[royal basalt]

silent hill 2

cannot be touched

remastered

special place there

[flint vapor]

Then you're never gonna be happy lol

[royal basalt]

silent hill 2 had this strange "uncanny" feeling on charactersd

[flint vapor]

The original will always exist. But afaik it's not easily purchased anymore which is a huge miss

[royal basalt]

the way they were designed and textured and lighted on

this remake

fucked it upo

this is creepy

generic

[flint vapor]

I agree but how much of that was due to it being the literal perfect time to represent that in a videogame? It's like the PS2's hardware capabilities were scientifically designed in a lab to fit what they were going for with Silent Hill 2

I don't think it's humanly possible to recreate the original feeling 100% faithfully in current day

[royal basalt]

that's the issue i think. they designed around limitations and expressed them well

now tech is advanced

np

everything is alike/generic

cuz easy

like music

soundtracks

nowaday they use "studio" music (like in movies)

used to be all bout invoking feelings from music, based on triggers etc

[flint vapor]

He does not look generic lol. If I saw someone in this context who looked like this in real life, I would be more creeped out than the original design above. But the shots also don't match so it's hard to compare the feeling elicited in the expressions

[royal basalt]

not sure. reminds me of that unreal character

metahuman

[flint vapor]

I'd have to see the original scene 1:1 with the one in the trailer to give a better take though

[flint vapor]

Metahumans definitely don't look like that

You may be misremembering

[royal basalt]

maybe

[vagrant hazel]

They're running on the same engine and use a lot of Metahumans underlying rendering tech

So they're actually more correct with that statement than you think

[royal basalt]

everything runs on ue

lately

[primal siren]

no none of the fans were ever gonna be it makes no sense that they didn't remake the first game that only exists on ps1 still

[royal basalt]

the limitation on ps1 with silent hill fucked me up

good time

[flint vapor]

What does that even mean? You yourself are an artist, you know how little that statement says. Same engine doesn't matter if they're using assets across the board

[flint vapor]

From what I understand SH2 is far more significant than the original in terms of popularity/how fondly viewed it is

[vagrant hazel]

They're using the skin, hair and eye tech developed for it, could we please not have this discussion? I'm really not in the mood

[primal siren]

yes that's why its a MUCH higher bar to pass so they shoulda started out lower and built up

[flint vapor]

That makes sense yeah

[royal basalt]

they showed pyramid head?

[vagrant hazel]

He's been in the trailers, yes

[royal basalt]

that i'm super interested

not good

[primal siren]

thats not from the remake

[vagrant hazel]

Pretty sure that's a figurine X)

[flint vapor]

This is still super vague. The way each of those are represented are a mix of different things out together for a final look. The albedo, the normals, the roughness, the intensity/distribution of subsurface scattering. Unless I'm missing something, it sounds like you might as well be saying "they both use the same texture format, they both use Unreal's PBR" which doesn't mean anything. I'm fine not having the convo but it feels like you aren't able to discuss with someone who doesn't already agree with you. Personally I like having that because it's a sanity check that I'm not being stubborn/stuck without considering other perspectives

[royal basalt]

wrong one XD

[vagrant hazel]

Yes you're right, I'm bad and wrong, can we move on please?

[primal siren]

apparently people have had a hands on experience with it

[flint vapor]

I never said that, I'd just like to actually hear a why instead of "you're wrong". That's what discussions are for. But yes we can move on

[royal basalt]

not bad actually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMBybp2I0p4

[royal basalt]

can say, the lighting across ue games

are same

most ue games

[primal siren]

i wonder why they made his right side indented instead of bulging

[royal basalt]

noticed in ff7 remake

https://gh.cdn.sewest.net/assets/ident/news/d7e8136c/FF7R Intergrade PC Cloud-8gcedvpn4.jpeg?quality=65

see the lamps there

shining

bloomy and such

[flint vapor]

I agree with that. With many UE games there's a "UE-look". Whether it's the tonemapping, post processing, TAA, motion blur, etc. it seems like devs stick with a lot of default features instead of changing them to be more unique

[royal basalt]

ya

defaults

they go with

to avoid dev time

or something

[primal siren]

i hope you can turn off chromatic aberration still one of the worst effects in video games

[royal basalt]

re8 village even used some assets from quixel megascan

(can see the mega scan logo in game at intro)

[vagrant hazel]

They used quite a lot of them! I recongized a bunch of wood textures that I personally worked on during my time at Quixel

[royal basalt]

i couldn't XD

dont use quixel much

[vagrant hazel]

Not especially common if you're not an unreal developer, considering they're not free outside of Unreal Engine

Except for like, big AAA studios of course, who can splurge on it ^^

[dapper oyster]

Just got my LG C4 TV, wonder if i can get old sh games with HDR. Seems the easist way is to play the HD collection on xbox with auto hdr but that's an awful port lol.

maybe reshade can help.

[potent jewel]

If you've got an Nvidia RTX card you could try a RTX HDR mod. Explained more in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BditFs3VR9c

[vagrant hazel]

Yeaaah I think SH2:EE on PC with some kind of third party HDR is probably your best bet

[dapper oyster]

Great! I thought rtx hdr only works for supported games

[primal siren]

offically yes

[royal basalt]

special k

the best

for hdr stuff

special k > rtx hdr / truehdr > reshade hdr

this version is old tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlKQQU-z4w4

lots of stuff for hdr got updated since then

this was ran on truehdr with doom 2016 modded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fd7USAzAy0&t

this ran on special k hdr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7MP2ppDzxs&t

this was before i enabled silent mode inside special k's ini (that's why fps so low here in video - was bugged)

[dapper oyster]

https://wiki.special-k.info/en/HDR/Retrofit i searched and it seems that this only works for DX11/12/OGL games.

[royal basalt]

it works on vulkan games too

maybe that version is old

[dapper oyster]

https://youtu.be/1Q6EgQ_7WOg?si=A1E33TIhnntnC6Z4

I prefer the jp vo this time

[proper grail]

静かな丘

[primal siren]

this is very bitter sweet to hear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX2GpqHxIJ0

[vagrant hazel]

YEah this is really sad to see :/

[primal siren]

the new water rendering is incredible though they really pulled out all the stops for their final update

[grizzled coral]

Hope the next generation will pick up after

https://youtu.be/RN_FdlBtEJw?si=A0hhNfxv6j6xOmoC

Looks like they are

[primal siren]

to be fair they have fixed most of the games issues already im not sure there is much left to improve other than a full render overhaul and that's now gonna be handled by remix and our lovely and gracious Traggey

[grizzled coral]

And we have camera options too now so that's nice so that begs the questions is there any point for the remake at this point

If the vanilla experience is going to better?

[primal siren]

no but there never really was other than konami making more money

[primal siren]

This is awesome i just need a first person mode and then i can make a project i wanted to work on

[grizzled coral]

Imagine a vr mod

[primal siren]

i feel that might be a bit too hard to achieve but i wouldn't be against it lol

[vagrant hazel]

Aaaw ❤️

Btw Omen did you see the Nvidia reply on that ticket?

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/405#issuecomment-2290575138

I've been busy at work but we should peek at this

Also we gotta check compatability with the new Enhanced Edition version

[primal siren]

all very true ill get a new install setup

[grave warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=totwIzjPn2Q

Same person

I'm sure there will be a first-person mode too. Their SH3 and 4 mods include one

[primal siren]

damn ok

some impressive as all hell stuff coming out atm

i feel like the remake lit a fire under modders asses to preserve the good one

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah no kidding! The community doing super cool stuff!

Really makes me not want to fall behind haha

Sadly all the compat issues are still here

[primal siren]

i think this will allways be a relevant upgrade you don't have to worry about that lol

[vagrant hazel]

I mean more like, I can't really work on it atm because compatability has become so unstable

[dapper oyster]

Just noticed that the remake is trying to light the whole scene in the way the original cgi did

Instead of the real-time rendering

[vagrant hazel]

Ayuhp!

I enjoy that the lights are different

Always implied a passage of time or some kind of dreamlike state to me

Makes it weird

[primal siren]

am i insane or is there 0 light coming from the doorway in the remake? is it night time outside then?

[dapper oyster]

Maybe they added a door 😆

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah we see they added a door in the other trailer right? They also moved the door to face the parking lot instead of the road

[dapper oyster]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxAEIha0002m2i6e-_wKgwOgGc6WfAAaH0?si=nuuMC1CazLSnh97y

Strange, this version of ORT has some different lines compares to the ost version

[hexed gyro]

unbelievable

I can't believe they've done this

[vagrant hazel]

It was just an answer to Cata's statement

[hexed gyro]

ik

im just wondering why they added a door and changed the location of it

[dapper oyster]

Maybe to make the lighting of the restroom more like the original opening cgi?

[desert patrol]

it's not like there's some special meaning to the door placement, lol

[hexed gyro]

I never implied that, I just prefer the way the light would fall into the room

"its called game design☝️🤓"

its a subtle way to tell the player which way to go, rather than being stuck in a room with no direction to go

I mean, my guess would be they wanted to add a door, but then with the doorway being out of sight in the original, players wouldnt know where it is, hence why they moved it?

but those outdoor bathrooms dont have doors on anyway? so keeping it in the same location without a door would have been fine

unnecessary change imo

this is coming from someone that hasnt even played most of the original, not a hardcore fan

im just into game design

[mossy dust]

Also the door light not being present eliminates the player’s view of the heavens night posters which I don’t know why they did that

[hexed gyro]

Yeah it overall just feels like a downgrade

its not showing off the lighting, which you think they would want to do with the newer engine

[primal siren]

actually the problem is they ARE showing off the new lighting because the original game couldn't do that scene in real time which is why it's pre rendered they are probably showing off more now by doing it in real time but ruining the scene in the process

[primal siren]

i like the passage of time idea like he got there in the earlier hours and just zoned out and disassociated for a long time in the mirror

[hexed gyro]

I don't agree, they're not showing off the lighting because there's little to no light

[primal siren]

Yes that's the point what little in the scene match's the original games cgi which was technically nicer than the ingame lighting engine could handle

[hexed gyro]

Hot take but, The cgi lighting didn't look as good as the ingame lighting

So I don't agree with why they've changed it here tbh

They should try to match the overall look of the game imo, to be consistent

And do what re2r did ny changing up where items are placed perhaps, etc

Because the game shouldn't be exactly the same, otherwise people will be able to breeze through it knowing everything that happens

But layout and lighting should stay relatively the same imo

[primal siren]

i do think lightbleed from the doorway into the darkened unlit bathroom would have looked alot better but ill be honest i don't care a huge amount about the lighting in the opening bathroom (it is a shame you can't see the heavens night posters like aqua said) they have showed off ALOT bigger issues with the remake already that concerns me

[hexed gyro]

Does the game ever explain if Maria existed at one point?

[primal siren]

yes and no

[hexed gyro]

Because isn't she on the heavens night poster?

Ik she's supposed to be based on Mary

But at the same time, she's a different person and tells James that constantly

[primal siren]

but she's not she is just james's desperation to have her back and refusal to accept calpability for his own actions

[hexed gyro]

Yeah but then why is she not Mary?

Wouldn't she have the same clothes?

[primal siren]

his rampant sexual urges made her an over sexualised version of Mary

[dapper oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTxhiokIUxA&t=3195s

lol they're giving streamer access

[dapper oyster]

lol

they removed the toilet part, after the first scene and james went outside automatically

[primal siren]

That is a truly pathetic title screen please tell me thats not all it is

also please don't post too many details as much as it sucks i still want to play it for myself

[proper grail]

I'm crying at that save screen

My permanent facial expression whilst playing the SH2 remake https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DhAtCg3XcAA50xg.jpg

[hexed gyro]

lmaoooo what

pls tell me thats not real

[primal siren]

it looks like someone shitposting in fucking gmod they have multi millions in budget and now they don't have the excuse of "but its an earlier build it will be fixed" since this probably will go live like this

[mossy dust]

There are better ways of doing the save screen how did they think that was just gonna slide

[grand pine]

Those are your rose tinted glasses

[dapper oyster]

I won't cuz i can't take it. The remake feels like an insult that's suffocating. 😂

[hexed gyro]

Just play the original with the over shoulder camera mod lol

Ig

Even though the enemies will be in the wrong locations for that camera

[dapper oyster]

FSR+SSR+Motion Blur

[grand pine]

mmmm

vaseline

My fav

[primal siren]

I would say i hope the DLSS implementation is better but from what i have seen recently 3.0 has also been very smeary too

[vague citrus]

Definitely not SSR

[dapper oyster]

Maybe ue5 lumen based reflection?

[primal siren]

they aren't very high res

[vagrant hazel]

It does look like Lumen, yeah

But the software version, not Hardware accelerated

[proper grail]

It could use some ray reconstruction.

[dapper oyster]

Didn't know that lumen has a hardware version

James Sunderland. Starring XQC

[hexed gyro]

He looks scarier than the monsters

[primal siren]

she got those extendo grip arms

oh an treggey i just wanna mention i have downloaded remix and installed a fresh silent hill 2EE but i need to update my drivers so i will test tomorrow

[dapper oyster]

In the PS5Pro showcase Hogwarts & Alan Wake2 still runs at 30fps lol

[primal siren]

That is pretty lame but if you wanna discuss it you should do that in offtopic rather than the silent hill 2 channel

[vagrant hazel]

That's great to hear ❤️ Appreciate the assistance!

[vagrant hazel]

Woah that's wild 😮

[hexed gyro]

is this more feasible yet? just for fun for people to enable (similar to how you could enable alternate cubes for Portal RTX with codes)

just the lightsaber aspect I mean, not necessarily the flashlight part

[vagrant hazel]

The game is less stable than when I posted that message

If that's what you're asking

[hexed gyro]

Ah

I mean, it was a pretty long time ago tbh

I was hoping hashes would be more stable at least

for certain assets

[vagrant hazel]

The hashes have always been perfectly stable

[hexed gyro]

ah

so the main issue is not being able to place in new lights?

[vagrant hazel]

No

[hexed gyro]

or has that been fixed?

[vagrant hazel]

That was never a problem?

Check the document for current issues

[hexed gyro]

I thought it was? and thats why I had to create the lightsaber?

and you would use fallback lighting to light the environment

[vagrant hazel]

No we can place lights, just not for the flashlight

[hexed gyro]

ah okay

Yeah I vaguely remember that now

is it possible to make an entirely new flashlight mesh with an emission texture?

[vagrant hazel]

Emissive textures are not good for replacing lightsources

[hexed gyro]

hmm

[vagrant hazel]

As they're handled through a much less accurate pass

[hexed gyro]

yeah, thats tough

how much of the main bathroom area has been completed?

I dont need you to dig up the ingame screenshots to prove lol

just a rough idea

[vagrant hazel]

Uh, like 50 % or so

Currently completely stuck due to the lack of custom decal support

Which is supposedly coming in the future, so just a waiting game now

I stopped working on new assets due to all the new incompatabilities

[hexed gyro]

Decals for... dirt on the ground?

and posters on the wall, etc?

[vagrant hazel]

The grime in general, but yes

[hexed gyro]

so its a fairly clean version of the original?

haha

[vagrant hazel]

Yes

[vagrant hazel]

https://x.com/jasonschreier/status/1834347547952890144

Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier) on X

SCOOP: The entire staff of Annapurna Interactive has resigned, leaving dev partners scrambling to figure out what's next.

The video game publisher had been negotiating with Annapurna owner Megan Ellison (Larry's daughter) to spin out. Deal fell through. https://t.co/aDUxW2oK8g

Twitter · Sep 12, 2024, 9:45 PM

I guess this means... Silent Hill Townfall might be dead..?

https://www.pcgamesn.com/silent-hill-townfall/annapurna-interactive-resignations

[dapper oyster]

maybe they can find another publisher?

[primal siren]

maybe konami will just deal with the developers directly now?

just confirms what i thought originally SIlent hill F is the only one with a chance

[mossy dust]

I’m reading from other people that No Code are the developers and Annapurna is the one publishing Townfall

https://www.nocodestudio.com/silent-hill-townfall

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah but without a publisher you don't have the money to develop

[mossy dust]

Townfall is cooked

[primal siren]

Could konami not take up publishing? or do we think they have already blown their budget for the next few years?

[vagrant hazel]

shrug Who knows, depends entirely on how their original contract was set up

[primal siren]

@flat idol Hey sorry to bother you like this but i don't know how to get remix to generate NvRemixBridge.dmp files and apparently it is needed to help problem solve on this game

[flat idol]

dmp files should be automatically generated whenever there's a crash.

They'll be easier to use if you're using the DebugOptimized build instead of release, but I think they still generate on release builds

they'll show up next toe NvRemixBridge.exe, in the .trex/ folder

[primal siren]

do they generate in the .trex folder?

ah

[flat idol]

should look something like this

[primal siren]

interesting i have had a crash but no file got generated

and i can't use debugoptimized because they wanted me to use a specific build they send a link to so it would generate the file they wanted

[flat idol]

what specifically was the crash? could be that the game crashed instead of dxvk-remix.

[flat idol]

they probably built that in debugOptimized then

Who sent you the build?

[primal siren]

it is when the inventory or save load screen is open the framerate will tank and eventually the game will crash

Alexander Jaus

[flat idol]

so you can repro the game slowing down then crashing, but no .dmp file is generated when you use the build Jaus sent you?

[primal siren]

yes

[flat idol]

was it generating a dmp file before you started using Jaus's test build?

[primal siren]

No

[vagrant hazel]

I've never managed to get dmp files out of sh2 at all, for any of the crashes

[vagrant hazel]

Good morning from Silent hill

[grand pine]

So true

[vagrant hazel]

Hehe true! But this was some of the most dense fog I've ever seen!

Was really pretty

[dapper oyster]

One of the pics is 2077 btw

[grave warren]

Looks great imo

[mossy dust]

I wonder how it’ll work within the context of the remake

[grizzled coral]

But kinda misses points in being depressing

[grave warren]

Yeah

[grizzled coral]

Since the dim lighting of the orginal gave you a feeling alone

[grizzled coral]

https://youtu.be/G7dKZTP2iy8?si=C-tZ5YfmNmRP-c8R

[primal siren]

That looks absolutely amazing

[echo oasis]

I don't remember any of this stuff in SH2

[primal siren]

This looks like silent hill 3

im guessing they are cut content or concept art

they look cool though would love to see this stuff in a real game

[woven mist]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2256710796

[dapper oyster]

Spoiler alert

This scene still looks completely off

[echo oasis]

It is cut content for 2 I found out

[primal siren]

i figured haha honestly doesnt fit the feel of the final game but again it's amazing conceptually and i would love to see it used in a real game

[echo oasis]

Play Siren

[dapper oyster]

https://youtu.be/DAOIXB3mSZs

[mossy dust]

Few…more…days…

[proper grail]

https://www.metacritic.com/game/silent-hill-2/ seems like Bloober didn't shit the bed

[grizzled coral]

That or the reviews are rigged

[fading geyser]

Metacritic has always been inflated.

[grizzled coral]

https://youtu.be/f22-53lDMiU?si=7qBFZ-z7ujU_pFkU

Basically gman said it best it's just there

[primal siren]

the story is butchered, the character interactions suck, they keep doing this thing where if you see something they changed james will stop and stare with a static filter on the screen as a shitty wink wink kinda thing and the pacing kinda sucks

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT is is litteraly one of the prettiest games i have ever fucking seen the fog effect is truly next gen

they shoulda just made their own silent hill game and it could have been game of the year honestly

[proper grail]

I played it for like two hours and think it's great. Really didn't expect this of Bloober. The only really offensive thing so far is the disgusting bloody screen you get when you are injured and the "tap A to break free" when you get grabbed. Guess that was something Mr. Bloober himself insisted on or something. It would be nice to be able to mod it out.

Another big no-no are the raised black levels. Silent Hill 2 needs proper black as its image baseline. I just set the HDMI range on my TV to limited to counter act that and now it looks good.

It does look really nice, although I noticed a heavy reliance on screen-space shadowing and some texture work can look crummy. It's also not making massive use of Nanite, if it is using it all. But overall it's one of the best looking games for sure, if you're not brain broken like me and have to poke around to find faults.

[vagrant hazel]

I'm really not a fan of the window smashing stuff they've implemented

It feels like I'm running around looting the place PUBG style

Really messes with the vibes

[vagrant hazel]

THEY REMOVED THE PIZZA SCENE

That's fucking criminal

[jolly falcon]

feels like RE and not SH tbh

great game just not a good SH imo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[woven mist]

there's still a pizza in bowling building

and james saying "whoever eats pizza when there are monsters anywhere"

🤫

[vagrant hazel]

Well yeah

But that's not the legendary scene

[woven mist]

I'm rn at lake view hotel location

I like it

getting some kind expirience when I played Mafia Remake

funny fact that I skipped Rifle, and now I don't have ammo to beat anyone

good that bloober don't put loot in ur face, if you forgot some loot, u don't get it

boss fights are amazing that I played

perfect direction

but combat is not designed for 2+ enemies around, on hard combat difficulty especially

enemies just spam u to corner and u need to get 2 hits to be dead

[vagrant hazel]

I'm not a fan how how there are enemies everywhere and that you can't really avoid them anymore

[woven mist]

window smashing is really annoying fr, exploring for stretching ur time

[vagrant hazel]

You're kind of forced into every single fight

It takes the "Survival" out of survival horror and just kind of Resident Evils it all

[woven mist]

yeah, it's easier just kill them at first time then just back to them alive

and btw, they getting alive by scripts

even if u stabed them a lot of time

[vagrant hazel]

I also can't FARTFOAM why they've added all this rain

There's more rain than there is in Downpour

[grand pine]

phatom

Traggey is breaking

[woven mist]

there's just 1 or 2 moments in hospital where devs show u like "hey u can skip them and go forward", but hey u need make a lot of backtracking stuff there, u easy kill them at fisrt time, then get hit by ur back l8r

[vagrant hazel]

Hm? Oh

[grand pine]

traggey no

thats

nvm

[vagrant hazel]

ffs stupid fucking

mobile

auto

FUCK YOU

[woven mist]

:3

there was rain in original

but when u get out from hospital

it's really like hell

in prison I was praying for just finish my punishment

let me go

8 circles of hell

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah but there was never enough rain around to even wet the streets

Now there's more than in Downpour and it's really throwing me off XD

[woven mist]

Yea, I understand what u mean

kinda cinimatication

gets into it

[vagrant hazel]

Yeeeeh

[woven mist]

or how that called

[vagrant hazel]

Sums it up well

[woven mist]

some action, cinematic expirience

with that cinematic SFX, like "BOOM"

whoosh, hit bam boom

I liked how they added "Original references" to puzzles, locations and etc

they showing like "look we moved that, we changed that"

I'm interested in 2 new endings

need to push them

and see what they are

now I'm playing how in original on "In water" ending

no heal, read letter, knife, notepads

hope algorithm is same

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah I'm curious if they kept the math for all that the same

[mossy dust]

You can take it off in the settings

[primal siren]

I dont think you can turn the blood off sadly

[mossy dust]

is this what they meant?

you can also change the visibility of quick time events and change them from mashing the button to holding it

[primal siren]

oh cool somehow i didn't notice that

i did turn off the quick time stuff and the overall hud

[echo oasis]

people complaining about the changes when they've said for months now there would be changes to the point it will be a new game entirely

people forgetting that even the RE-makes aren't 1 to 1 but will still find something to whine about

I'm not even mad at it. New Silent Hill. If you care that much about the original, then just play the original.

[vagrant hazel]

It'd be very different if you could actually buy the original anywhere

You can still buy the old RE games, they've been re-released on everything

You can't get SH2 anymore, and used copies are getting incredibly expensive

Konami doesn't want the original to exist, it's a very different situation

IN better horror news

https://x.com/alienisolation/status/1843305291322200488

X

Twitter · Oct 7, 2024, 3:00 PM

[grand pine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381329194338222081/1292787607280947270/Sadsterbation.mp4?ex=670501c8&is=6703b048&hm=c21ca098281b0f77ea2e299ee937c87a84b05f8d1f6d72a2dc58aae200912f92&

[grand pine]

https://vxtwitter.com/alienisolation/status/1843305291322200488

[echo oasis]

Sucks for them, they must not like money. But just because a company isn't consumer friendly doesn't mean you have to stop being a consumer. There's still available copies on Internet Archive and My Abandonware

[vagrant hazel]

As a heads up, there's a strict nono rule on this server when it comes to discussing those things.

[mossy dust]

The problem with that (besides piracy) is that most people aren’t gonna do all that

It’s simple to play the MGS series because you can buy it on PlayStation, steam, and Xbox just fine (edit: forgot mgs4 has still not been re-released yet if it ever will)

There needs to be a silent hill master collection and it should’ve came out before the remake

That would’ve changed the narratives surrounding it during its reveal

[woven mist]

Got "In water" ending

0 ammo, 0 heal, low hp

and I beat Maria for 15 try

don't lose Rifle, and you're gonna be ok

55 ammo for rifle, but no rifle

[echo oasis]

https://archive.org/about/dmca.php

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[grand pine]

oh boy

[vagrant hazel]

I've no idea how this holds up legally, just throwing you a heads up ^^

Doesn't seem like it holds any real grounds, as it's about preserving things that have been previously available online?

Although I ain't no smart person when it comes to this stuff

I just make polygons look pretty

From what I can tell it's really just the age old thing of "It's abandonware so technically illegal but companies don't care"

[echo oasis]

It's just morality vs ethicality vs the law at this point. But I feel you. I too just make polygons look pretty

Bought my own copy of the remake just now though. Will provide my thoughts after

[hard vigil]

Noice. I'm still at the hospital and kinda regret doing the melee run for my first playthrough 😅
The game looks great, my only issue with female characters is that it looks like their heads are disproportionally big compare to their shoulders

[echo oasis]

shhh

no spoiler

[hard vigil]

There were no spoilers in my comment

[echo oasis]

ik I'm messing w you

[primal siren]

this is dangerously close to a spoiler lol

[grand pine]

Surely

[brave stream]

what

[primal siren]

Mods are super cool even being able to fix James' hair

[mossy dust]

I wonder how many people bought the game on ps5 instead of pc thinking they were gonna miss out on the Robbie head

[primal siren]

to be fair i do prefer it to the mira head

[mossy dust]

I prefer it over the pizza box head

But yea I completely forgot mods were gonna be a thing with the pc release

[desert patrol]

well, Annapurna is supposed to hire new people and keep all contracts fulfilled, but in the mean time there's no support it seems for developers, so even if all the projects not get cancelled, they're probably gonna be delayed

[desert patrol]

why mod it out when it's an option, among miriad of other options. you can basically go HUDless if you want to for full imerrsion

[desert patrol]

also something the game asks you to set up the first thing when you launch it, because monitors differ. it's gets pretty dark by default, darker than original

but then again, I think it's darker with raytracing on

[fresh forge]

TRAGGY, THEY’RE ALREADY DOING DUMB SHIT

[primal siren]

yeah there is a HD collection mod and a sign becomes comic sans incase you want THE best experience in silent hill 2

[echo compass]

looks 30 years old

[grave warren]

The clasic outfit looks so strange on new Maria to me

Maybe I've moved on

[proper grail]

Yeah, I was just blind and didn't see the option. There is no option however to just have the red cross from the original, which is what I would have preferred.

[proper grail]

Still the default bloody screen is a bad choice and aesthetically one of the biggest issues for me, it would be nice to have a default option that's less ugly

But having beaten it overall Bloober did a very good job. Probably the best they could have done with their team size and budget. It's a good way to play Silent Hill 2 today if you don't want to emulate or play the old PC version.

[primal siren]

im pretty sure there is a mod for that now

[primal siren]

https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/48

[desert patrol]

they even added the cross on top of vingette, but yeah it should've been an option to have just the cross or nothing at all. after all you can easily see if James taken damage and how severe by the way he looks

[primal siren]

Most of the mods are either "the new one sucks so here's the old one" or "the game runs like shit use this and it might work better" and i just love that for us

[proper grail]

That's cool. I'll try it if I go through it for a different ending.

[grand pine]

Since this channel has turned into sh2 remake discussion, why is my fps capped at 30?

holy shit the mouse acceleration

[grand pine]

WHY ARE CUTSCENES CAPPED AT 30

https://tenor.com/view/rage-angry-blood-boils-seeing-red-winnie-the-pooh-gif-5313543

[primal siren]

there's a mod for that but some animations go to shit cause they play too fast randomly