Elder Scrolls Oblivion

[spring arch]

yeah, i have that issue too

unfortunately i don't know a way around it. we may need to make a mod for the game that hides that texture within a given distance?

i don't know how to do that though

[late comet]

i think i can swap the texture to the other grass

i might need to download gimp

or just rename the grass texture to it

[spring arch]

that wouldn't fix the issue

the texture overlays other geometry in interior scenes and causes issues

[late comet]

true

could it be a remix thing?

ill stop with oblivion for now then until i can find a way to fix it

its bugging me

i did read about the texture thing happening elsewhere before remix, but they said it was a shader

[spring arch]

it's an issue with how the game handles lod textures, and how remix shows it

in-game it's typically invisible at those close distances i believe

but with remix it's rendering, causing issues

[late comet]

i dont think dyndolod will fix it but i can try it

[spring arch]

it's worth a shot

i was considering an lod tool for skyrim too

[late comet]

yea theres one for it on nexus

https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/50439 its not dyndolod but might work

[late comet]

sadly didnt work

D:

[spring arch]

aw

[late comet]

yes i used the mod

that is Morroblivion

will mess with the elder scrolls like games when they get stable. since they aren't stable yet sadly

i couldnt progress through the morroblivion ship due to the quest ui not poppin up but yea should work fine when oblivion is stable

[late comet]

been away playing video games since the diablo 4 launch, might take a peek sometime down the road to see if anything changed

[meager sapphire]

Perhaps you could use an ini setting for texture lod bias to push the lod textures wayyyyyy out into the distance and then hide them in remix? I'm not at my pc right now so unfortunately can't check it myself.

[spring arch]

iirc i tried that already

i'll look into it again when possible

[late comet]

i've messed with oblivion this morning and found out the sky atmosphere mesh is the reason i have the issues im having, im trying to mess with the nif more to see if i can somehow fix it or i will get a dome around the player and a certain texture messes up everything which reads off the sky nif file mesh. will do more later on today

step .7 is being worked on in the pinned

will be on it later

[late comet]

posponed will wait til monday

[late comet]

well ill continue on monday and see what i can do but i will not be able to stream it for now because my headset cord tore up

[late comet]

did some with mesh but my edit made the sky black and made distant terrain no more. so ill work on more tomorrow

trying to figure out whats making the model have shaders

so i can make a clean no dome edit

[late comet]

since i have no way in getting the rtx io or so called new portal remix or portal at all yes its 10 bucks but im poor so yea. any luck with it @spring arch

the sky dome edit was a bust and sorry for not updating sooner

and disabling or the ground texture of the city makes land disappear totally

until i can find out the issue with the shaders i guess im stuck

until then everything is sort of outdated

the gdrive link has old files but still has the remix 2.0

wont update til i find fixes

[spring arch]

@late comet i haven't messed with oblivion in about 2 months now

i'll let you know if i do soon

[candid cliff]

I only just returned to y Remix projects as of like.. the last day or so... but good news! I can now siphon mesh data out of .usds for my dumb app 😂

but even better

Removing just vertexlayout from:
rtx.geometryGenerationHashRuleString = positions,indices,texcoords,geometrydescriptor,vertexlayout
(to get: rtx.geometryGenerationHashRuleString = positions,indices,texcoords,geometrydescriptor)
In rtx.conf was able to get mesh hashes... pretty damn solid on my setup. Only exception so far appears to be face/head meshes, probably as part of facial animations or something, but honestly that's not bad at all.
Thanks to whoever was working on messing with this with some help from Mark back whoever knows when with another game.

[late comet]

its working inside yes but outside i keep getting a sky mesh dome over the layout and disabling the imperial city grass texture just deletes the terrain and sky

[candid cliff]

With this small change, does the sky dome have a stable hash now tho?
If it does we can delete it in the usda, or change it's scale to 1000x or something.

[late comet]

#1097339713062441031 message its still the same issues like this

ive tried the edits as suggested but it still happens

even if i did disable the grass texture the sky and half the landmass is gone

#1097339713062441031 message

the atmosphere nif edit i did just messed up the game doing this #1097339713062441031 message

the inside city areas are counted as interiors by the construction set same as houses, exteriors would be the other

and the grass city on top texture cant even be extracted because the bsa tools say it isnt even there

just want a variably working build so people can build upon this and share that way this project isnt abandoned

[candid cliff]

That wasn't what I was asking, sorry if I wasn't clear enough.
Ill check hash stability of the Atmosphere mesh myself tonight 👍

[spring arch]

i think that was me. there was some weird behavior i noticed

rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString - Defines which hashes we need to include when sampling from replacements and doing USD capture.

rtx.geometryGenerationHashRuleString - Defines which asset hashes we need to generate via the geometry processing engine.

iirc from what Mark said, rtx.geometryGenerationHashRuleString should only affect rendering, not captures. he adjusted the debug view accordingly, so the Geometry Hash debug view should be representing rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString instead. this allows us to see if replacements will be stable

however, it still appears to be showing the debug view for rtx.geometryGenerationHashRuleString instead

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/commit/77900b5a63379ede455ee7dcac29760d716f2d32

i think there may be something wrong. sadly as a result, the fix you implemented may not actually benefit stability for replacement meshes

it can improve visual stability though

[candid cliff]

My version is out of date

Ill update tonight and retest

[spring arch]

this is all the way back from June 1st btw

[candid cliff]

Is the geometry asset rule string stored in captures as "lightspeed_geometry_hash_rules"? If so, we might actually be in luck.

My capture I have on my phone for reference lists positions, indicies and geometrydescriptor which as a set of hashing rules appeared to give consistent results last night, either way Ill try to fiddle with it tonight, see if I cant replace something and have it be stable or not.
Odds are good Im just not understanding something, but fingers crossed 🤞

[late comet]

anythings worth a try and thank you both for trying, i know things get complicated fallout got sort of there but i dont get what im doing wrong with oblivion

[spring arch]

not sure what you mean? i think geometryAssetHashRuleString controls what's actually captured as a whole, since it'll affect the geometry hashes that are captured

the default value for it is positions,indices,geometrydescriptor

however, you adjusted geometryGenerationHashRuleString, which has positions,indices,texcoords,geometrydescriptor,vertexlayout,vertexshader by default

[candid cliff]

Yea, I was wondering if thats (the lightspeed_..) the same value as rtx.geometryAssetHashRuleString or not, but tbh itll probably be less confusing for everyone if I just worry about that tonight

[spring arch]

they're different

geometryGenerationHashRuleString controls the hashes used for rendering the visuals

geometryAssetHashRuleString controls geometry hashes for captures

ah, i missed the edit

that lightspeed_ value may be the same, but i don't know if it'd actually affect anything if you modified it is what i mean, since the capture is based on the genetrated geometry hashes already

if you do mess with it, i guess let us know 😛

[candid cliff]

I dont want to change it, I was just wondering if I could trust it to mirror the asset capture settings

So I could see what my asset capture was set to, since Im out and not at my computer atm

[spring arch]

ah

[candid cliff]

So Ill set that and the rendering capture to match each other and try an asset replacement tonight I think.
Hopefully it works so we can make the worlds dirtiest .usd mod that scales the atmosphere mesh to 1000x or something so the sky still works 😂

[spring arch]

customLayerData.SetValueAtPath("lightspeed_geometry_hash_rules", pxr::VtValue(exportData.meta.geometryHashRule));
this is the line that generates it

and geometryHashRule by default should be geometryAssetHashRuleString with that edit Mark made

so it seems correct

[candid cliff]

Cool cool, that explains why my captures have been moderately sensible even if rendering has been a kaleidoscopic mess

[candid cliff]

Thanks for this btw, I was going to confuse myself a lot tonight without having the difference pointed out to me 😅

[candid cliff]

Well the good news is the hashes are stable enough with the latest versions etc that mesh replacement is definitely viable in Oblivion, so that's neato
When I've got a bit more time I'll narrow down which mesh is left over after converting all the rest to sky materials (rather than just nukeing everything), and that should, in theory, have the skies fixed up with a few flags and a very very short mod.usda

Here's my list of atmosphere mesh hashes:
mesh_D60DA6CF159E10E5
mesh_C724A0034E0C769C
mesh_935EF7CAA5D29A4F
mesh_749F2B280F63AB5A
mesh_74DF66A2C8872B87
mesh_2CA0E15A9E63F62E

[errant nymph]

Have you tried using those hashes in rtx.conf with the setting rtx.skyBoxGeometries?

[candid cliff]

I didn't even notice that was an option, I'll try it right now

[candid cliff]

Setting the mesh hashes (prefixed with 0x instead of mesh_ as per what rtx.conf expects) seemed to have the same effect as hiding the geometry with the usda, but is clearly the intended route so since it still works I'll work on that.
Could have also been my texture flags (I think I had some sky textures set to ignore but not all of them) so I went through and changed them all to Sky.... no dice, so I changed them to Sky and UI and at the very least we're back to playable:
(Purple water has to do with my Oblivion settings, not Remix)

rtx.skyBoxGeometries = 0xD60DA6CF159E10E5, 0xC724A0034E0C769C, 0x74DF66A2C8872B87, 0x935EF7CAA5D29A4F, 0x749F2B280F63AB5A, 0x2CA0E15A9E63F62E
rtx.skyBoxTextures = 0x78BF3844C79CB7B4, 0x98303879B8DC6DB2, 0xC76039286ADAA2CF, 0xF41AA3947606302F, 0x55FCD54987D8A8D1, 0x8E2AF9B9E05B4ED1

We still need to fix up far away LODs covering over close ground, and some pretty annoying mesh/vertex explosions still coming from somewhere, but Oblivion is actually shaping up quite nicely.

Oops, one of those mesh hashes corresponds to the center of the dias in the Temple of The One.
Which one is left as an exercise to the reader 😂
(The little viewer I made to flick through usd meshes quickly didn't have textures ok? 😂 )

[late comet]

looking good

[late comet]

hmmmm

[late comet]

how do you get the hashes maybe thats my mistake

i just went ahead and bit the bullet and bought the portal game....

hope i has funds in the bank oh well

[late comet]

so i started again now i have this issue and cant find the setting

happens if i rotate

[late comet]

well i got outside then i turned around after i saved the textures again, and the game screen froze but i could hear the game

ah it disabled the bridge cause of sephamore

[candid cliff]

I got the mesh hashes by doing a capture, and then I made a quick viewer to load meshes from the usd so I could scroll through them quickly one by one and I just wrote down the hashes of the few dome/disk like ones that I saw 😅

You could probably get the same result using Omniverse, but it literally took me less time to make the tool with what Ive been making than read the Omniverse EULA so... 😂

[late comet]

did you release the tool anywhere?

[candid cliff]

Nah man, its cobbled together with good vibes and scotch tape atm, and for the meantime most people can use Omniverse or the python Usd Tools

[late comet]

ok fair enough, ill give a look later on

#1097339713062441031 message speaking of hashes is there one for this

it paste itself upon the landscape and if ignored the landscapes gone

[solid gulch]

I think its fog related

[late comet]

could be but happens outside too

will look sometime this week maybe

[candid cliff]

As a (possible) temporary fix I think you can disable Alpha Blending, I had to the other night or I was getting screwy rendering.

[late comet]

alpha blending disabled disables some of the rendering for me for some reason

[late comet]

ok i tried disabling and the ui and some terrain features like some of the rocks are gone

[candid cliff]

Yea ok thats weird.
Hmm, we'll see how I feel after streaming today, might have a crack at all this today.

I was just clocking in a little time on the community Remix Launcher project beforehand I havent had time for these last two weeks.

[late comet]

same i just got back into some of it today

[candid cliff]

And maybe we can get a fresh Image for the opening post, show people where we're at too 👍✨

[late comet]

k

im using the sewer exit as a base

[candid cliff]

Love it 😂

[late comet]

heres a clean sewer exit save on the inside by the exit

has no mods

[candid cliff]

Have you been able to get any of the area lighting (torches etc) to work properly? Ive not figured that one out, at least not from a fresh install.

[late comet]

a little bit

[candid cliff]

None of my ingame lights seem to be picked up by remix, except for the sun/directional light in some but not all circumstances

[late comet]

heres my config

[candid cliff]

Although that could be fallback lighting, Ive usually got it set to the small area light so I d9nt think so

[late comet]

i know im missing something why its bugging me

lol

[candid cliff]

An issue for later I suppose 😅

[late comet]

btw i work with the exit i dont have anything in the cell start

for now

[candid cliff]

I need to grab snacks and scramble back home. I haven't streamed consistently since my surgery 9 months ago.. or 10.. oh geez. Im on in 40 mins 😂

[late comet]

to bypass the emperor

[candid cliff]

Aaahhhhh

Does he cause issues for you, or just slow?

[late comet]

na its when he gets near the death area

too much npcs near the end

coming over the pillars or w/e

after the sign selection

he says he knows he's going towards his death

when i went to another grid line near the ruins outside i got the runtime crash

so ugrids are a problem i guess too

when do you get back?

gonna prob pull a all night myself

btw oblivion reloaded combined works with oblivion while using remix but the original one crashes

using it for its shader edits

[late comet]

got the sky finally just had to turn a denoise option off and turn left hand mode on but now i have vertex problems

@candid cliff

plus how do i get the water back lol

and if alpha blend is off the sky moves with you

cursor wise

gonna throw in omniverse in a bit

just kinking the bugs

ah its the slaughter fish i dont see the texture ill go kill and see if it pops

prob crash since no water

thought so

lol

[late comet]

updated rtx file works but terrain needs fixing and water

fixed the vertex explosion seems the player body was messed up

[candid cliff]

I am Back.
Gonna be dipping in and out, got some cleaning to do and other work I wanna bang out, but I'm keen to spend a bit of time on this all tonight

[late comet]

OK

oops

caps

lol

[candid cliff]

What fixed the vertex explosion? 😂

[late comet]

oh the arms were missing but then another appeared across by the ruins

lol

and about the terrain i stared at it moving the camera and it seems the ground textures are changing to different ones instead of just one

[late comet]

found out why water isnt rendering, water reflections has to be off in game, but its still purple

and no textures show in remix for it

tasty water.... vertex explosions are still going, trying to find the cause or i cant look anywhere

ok i need help now, something happened

btw night sky was working managed to see it with both moons before it did a explosion and then did this

well atleast i got a pic of the sky lol

and yes textures are selected

just not not using omniverse until i find the vertex explosion

have a feeling its a plant

[late comet]

issues happen half way in the video

done for today i think but heres a config to whomever can fix it

if its my end without any edits of the config, then i think i know what it is

[late comet]

will be back to this later found out the vertex explosions are coming from the player again with the new portal prelude version. so ill revert back later today and give another go

[late comet]

note with the rumors of the oblivion remake or remaster on the rise, it wont stop me from using remix

[candid cliff]

@late comet I spent some time working with a fresh install and Remix setup, for the current vertex explosion setup, make sure bForceMultiPass is set to =0, fixed it on a fresh install for me

[candid cliff]

hmm, maybe nevermind; after several game restarts "confirming" it worked, something else is either also causing a similar issue, or was originally responsible

[late comet]

interesting

also a plant causes it forgot which one

ill check later in the day its 7am right now

thanks though

oh and ugrid set to 14 actually works set from 5 on a little distance load

well close but if i turn the city ground texture appears still, distance works with ugrid set as 14 no higher and yea no explosions

[late comet]

like in the middle of this the ground changes, i dont know how to fix it

[candid cliff]

When it does work, this is such a pretty game ✨

[late comet]

yea did you know those count as interiors, cities etc?

in the editor it labels them like that, and world is seperate

[candid cliff]

I can get the terrain in the Arcane University to cooperate, but only if I look at it from the right angle 😂

[late comet]

some of the terrain turns grey some reason

and reverts back

[candid cliff]

I've had a similar issue tonight, might be a consiquence of the latest builds? Not sure

[late comet]

explosions came back turning texture large to medium in settings

no wonder the distance thing added more stuff

lol

oh wow

it makes a seperate texture list

i have to do everything again

...

[candid cliff]

yea, hashes are calculated from the largest available MIP

[late comet]

np ill do more later lol

medium i think might fix it tho

large might mess it up

[late comet]

found the explosion

its the butterfly

cause its a 2d plane i think

[late comet]

nope found the issue

every model wearing fur armor has a explosion

a ran to the source with no clip on

took the armor off the bandit

put it on and it still happens

with the armor

[late comet]

@candid cliff can you send me your oblivion saved ini in documents? think i messed mine up somehow

and a rtx config maybe?

[late comet]

so i used a land distant generator and found out this is part of the generated land,

meaning its not only a texture but a fake one, this is used for lod

as are these

[late comet]

if alpha blend is off everyone is bald in game and no water

[late comet]

any luck @candid cliff ?

[late comet]

btw this is also a model/nif

but its invisible in the viewer

if edited it messes the distant lod up

same number but i dont know if we have terrain geometry just like the sky

also in 3rd person view when i rotate the camera white hues appear and disappear all the time

alpha blend off solves that

but goes hair and water

[candid cliff]

Luck with what?

[late comet]

the explosions

also left a message up there

lol

[candid cliff]

I had a blissful time with no explosions but they're back so.. uh, no. unfortunately

[late comet]

ah ok

back to being unstable game i guess

lol

[candid cliff]

The stable bits look way better at least 😂

[late comet]

another sky geometry 0xAE076A717FAD6E9F for the sewer exit outside

and then put the model or texture behind the grate to legacy cutout

any way havent been to sleep yet been up all night

leave info if you got it 😛

[late comet]

only if rotated right to get no explosions and the terrain bug

i didnt walk there btw i just used the console command tmm 1 to toggle all map markers

[candid cliff]

Found out why y sky was absolutely screwed, if you set Demodulate Roughness = 0.0 under Denoising, it really messes with Oblivion & Remix's Sky rendering 😂
It basically turns your sky into a crashed Windows XP desktop, smeary as all hell 😂

[late comet]

yea or it makes the sky disappear atleast for me. saw the kit message in showcase. ive tried that but i've found out if i go that rout and go back the game, it uses 2 different rtx configs

also theres diffuse setting etc in the oblivion ini

i messed around but it seems one of those helps the vertex explosions

but terrain and water disappear again

or just bug out

i've also remembered about blue's fallout nv edits but i don't know if they can or will do it for oblivion as well

planets work

[late comet]

i see some people doing work with oblivion but don't wana share although im the one who started the project... just seems weird and off when i find stuff in #showcase

#general-remix message and i havent seen such a tool when i've asked if she could share but basically just said that it wasn't for grabs or tried to avoid the question

@spring arch

just makes me lose motivation more and more seeing stuff like this

[spring arch]

it's possible they want to keep it private until it's in a functional state, which would make sense. if this is the same tool that was posted in the fallout 3 chat, i think that's what was implied

either way, it is their software and their decision in the end. i understand where you're coming from, but there is plenty of progress to be made without it. i can't really do anything here

[late comet]

progress yes, but im still having issues and i cant even continue when they can, oh well

[candid cliff]

If this is about me, my jenga pile of code is not remotely functional enough to distribute, I spent 3 or 4 hours on stream this week just trying to get DDS encoding to work; Kim is bang on, what I've been working on is for all the Bethesda Creation Engine games (starting with Fallout 3 and Oblivion since they're most similar technically) but I'm not going to share something that people can't actually use yet

It's getting closer, and I'm heckin excited to break ground on it after months of technical issues and being busy with work 😤 but nothing I've done can't be done with what we've all already covered in this thread and with Omniverse, to be honest

[late comet]

ok i apologize its just i want to progress like some but i dont even have a updated ini or conf even when i asked for it here #1097339713062441031 message very sorry if it came out wrong im just stuck and when i see it in showcase im like ok how is this happening when i cant progress, i apologize again

[candid cliff]

Ill try and upload my rtx.conf tomorrow night if i get time, maybe make a new guide

[late comet]

i mean you're doing an amazing job btw

any clue on the water though, the texture will not pop in remix and stays purple

i wish we had geometries like the sky but for terrain lol

[candid cliff]

Good news is with newer remix, oblivion.ini is becoming less important, however:
bNewAnimation=0 I think helps reduce how often models explode, but it could be my imagination

Also dont change default fov in .ini, it wrecks ui scaling
fullbright in ini and by commands seem to act differently? if you havent tried it, try smashing in tlb on the console, it fixes the issue of things randomly going transparent, but it messes with the directional light and I think it might be responsible for a fair few of my crashes
good for a quick screenshot, tho

[late comet]

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Console_Commands_(Oblivion)

there we go

i also think when we fixed the dome, that its also happening to the terrain

thing is thats a skygeometry

and theres nothing to fix the terrain one i think

cause distant land looks odd

[candid cliff]

water is an issue with rendering in the base game, our best bet is to just replace the material with omniverse

turning on tlb causes the game to stop culling nearby terrain lod
I have managed to get ok results with terrain by tagging everything, but again theres more caveats: for some reason any terrain further than 1m or so below you and for a wide range out appears in very aggressive shadow

[late comet]

water almost got rendered here #1097339713062441031 message but it does not anymore

[candid cliff]

looks like it defaulted to rasterised

[late comet]

it is

but the texture came up in remix

at the time

[candid cliff]

Im used to the purple water from getting Olbivion to run on my old compaq back in 2006 😂

[late comet]

lol yea

or 2d trees

[candid cliff]

it might show up if we do the old Oldblivion stuff

[late comet]

ive tried that it crashes now

oblivion reloaded does not fix anything and crashes on game load or not at all

as well

[candid cliff]

You might need to make sure a shaderpackage001.sdp is present in the data/shaders/ folder

[late comet]

yep still have the shaders

[candid cliff]

copy, rename and move in shaders.sdp distributed with Oldblivion as well if you get the itch to try again

[late comet]

k

any edits in your oblivion ini too?

i usually turn all shadows off cause remix

putting them at 0

specular though ive found out has some things

[candid cliff]

I leave all the render passes on atm

[late comet]

have you've been outside the city yet?

[candid cliff]

thankfully it doesn't matter as much now, Ive got remix to load ok on a .ini with the only* modification being disabling fullscreen

yep, I've been outside anvil, outside and inside frostcrag spire and traveled to and just inside the shvering isles

and frustratingly skingrad castle when my fire was broken :angy:

would have looked so siiik

[late comet]

i'm also trying to get animations to look right, the shivering isle entrance particle isnt right some reason

just a purple blob

lol

[candid cliff]

flagging things as particles deffos helps get rid of the frosted glass look

huh

[late comet]

rasterize the particle on sheos mouth in cyrodil

and compare

[candid cliff]

yea

[late comet]

#1097339713062441031 message

im like oh no

lol

[candid cliff]

first time I was there it looked okish, second time I had no effect at all as I was testing settings

[late comet]

i wonder about the haskil introduction though when he makes everything black butterflies

[candid cliff]

the butterflies had color for me, deffos tag the butterfly texture as a particle, works great

[late comet]

ah ok

[candid cliff]

goodness knows what other settings I had tho

[late comet]

#1097339713062441031 message these are also invisible models

[candid cliff]

most important thing right now is probably to ID all the atmosphere mesh hashes and adding them to rtx.conf skyGeometry list

hmmm

it could be possible that one of the atmosphere meshes is actully a render surface for terrain lod

[late comet]

i think it is too

[candid cliff]

that could explain some of the weirder smearing ive seen with some settings

[late comet]

but if marked as sky, the terrain is gone

[candid cliff]

if you can load captures in Omniverse, you should be able to ID meshes with actual sky textures
my hacky viewer doesn't assign materials atm so I cant tell what materials are applied, yet anyway

[late comet]

i think the land is hashed like a dome but its just a dome made into terrain like you see in omni

[candid cliff]

what i want to do, that you're more than free to do, is to ID sky textures, do a bunch of captures under different weather conditions, get the mesh hashes that have those textures, then set them as sky andremove the sky materials from sky textures

[late comet]

ah ok

its only one btw and its the one we have issues with

[candid cliff]

what do you mean by issues

[late comet]

thats the imperial city grass texture

[candid cliff]

yea, the far terrain texture for that map grid

[late comet]

yea

[candid cliff]

but what is the issue?

[late comet]

terrain pops in with it showing and if ignored or anything the terrain is disappeared

plus i have terrain problems here into the video #1097339713062441031 message

[candid cliff]

yep, reset to default oblivion.ini and dont enable tlb in console and nearby lod culling should work

[late comet]

its almost like the camera is confused on what terrain to render lol

[candid cliff]

you need to tag all the terrain textures and enable experimental terrain baking

[late comet]

i tried terrain baking it stretches the texture

[candid cliff]

oh, did you ever change the"up" direction?

[late comet]

zup is on yea

[candid cliff]

good good

but yea this is why Ive been trying to nail down a "clean slate" file that works, to avoid the round-and-round of interconnected settings fiddling :S

[late comet]

heres my outside conf if you wana look at it and adjust

[candid cliff]

not really, to be honest
rather than try and reverse engineer how thats configured and making assumptions about your oblivion.ini etc, I just wanted to jot down what lessons Ive learnt so you can take that and try to apply it if you like
all id do is re-enable your render passes in the ini, unset ll your terrain textures, turn on terrain blending, find a stable-ish spot and start tagging and watching which textures help
its a lot of trial and error, but thats sometimes what it comes to

[late comet]

theres this too

btw ugrid almost worked on 14 but froze after a bit

[candid cliff]

at any rate, ive stayed up waaaaay to late on this tonight, its the AM and ive got work in a few hours, ive gotta crash 😅

[late comet]

ok, have a good sleeps

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[candid cliff]

you too (when u get to it)

[late comet]

be awhile just got up lol

but will do this later in the day when i have time

https://tenor.com/view/fall-back-time-change-spinning-clock-turn-the-clock-back-clocks-gif-12827256

oblivion remix year 2090

lol

[zenith crow]

So I've managed to get it working using the guides posted here. A minimal setup looks like this:

1. Clean Oblivion install from Steam
2. Minimal graphics settings, windowed mode
3. RTX Remix 0.2.0 + latest dxvk-remix + latest bridge-remix
4. This archive from @late comet : https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1vfVmESwy94yx9BQW2fgebyOaDaqbkCiK

Things I used from archive:

1. OBSE folder (extract obse zip first, then copy the OBSE folder to Data)
2. 4gb patch from Mods folder
3. Sky mesh fix
4. rtx.conf
5. Oblivion.ini

No other mods needed, including unofficial fixes (works fine without them). When I tried to install absolutely everything from archive except for RTX Remix the game crashed after the loading screen.

[late comet]

the rtx config and ini might be out of date but she will let us know tomorrow on some updated configs

if not you can experiment

the drive link is just a foot in the door, it will be updated when i find a more stable point

delete the oblivion ini in documents and retry use a fresh rtx config by running the game atm

the ones on the drive are outdated

#1097339713062441031 message #1097339713062441031 message these are still being worked on, but are not stable why i am waiting tomorrow for this #1097339713062441031 message

[zenith crow]

Nope, without Oblivion.ini you'll get artifacts all over the screen. I was able to get it to the 'playable' state only by using Oblivion.ini from your archive. Maybe that's also related to the BlendSettings.ini, I don't know really.

Also, distant terrain makes things only worse right now.

[late comet]

yea for now we are working on this

im doing the distance thing

this is the last ive been at #1097339713062441031 message

also the atmosphere nif needs this #1097339713062441031 message

[late comet]

ISP is out might be later until I can get the files @candid cliff

[candid cliff]

@late comet as much requested
its no miracle cure and half y hashes in here are cooked, but there it is

[late comet]

thanks

[candid cliff]

The Ignore Hashes (and many but not all of the others) in there were largely spat out using my tool to generate them directly from the main texture .bsa, but not all of them seem to have been correct.
Some of them are, but not all.
I have theories about runtime transcoding between block compression formats, and maybe some troublesome mip map levels, but we'll see.

[late comet]

fLandTextureTilingMult= set to 1.000 in the ini and putting #1097339713062441031 message as a particle makes the texture invisible while preserving some of the distant land

[candid cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/good-news-everyone-futurama-fry-the-simpsons-lela-gif-17016604

rtx.skyBoxTextures = 0xDF9EC0D732D6EA36, 0x2695A8CAE62C1976, 0x838060158D9388F6, 0x4892332FB3E86238, 0xBB9486BAFAFE438, 0x3BE439D87BA56738, 0x7FEE219CDCBC0A33, 0xDE206B97DFFB9B3D, 0xFECF9B01C351031C, 0x744CF3D296484BDC, 0xB439C5553C2C4829, 0x8D804858491CED91, 0xE12B4232EF54218F, 0x4B2EDC20B66B914F, 0x3650662DF3DC14AA, 0xF5F05BA53100992A, 0xF9843BB313B4ACF1, 0xFD23D889F3BEE249, 0x21E0555E38A8B15E, 0x9886A9E4FD6B01E, 0x974B2AF616D8C4C0, 0xA74D4DF7873EADC4, 0x813846E409855895, 0x820130535D4660D5, 0x1E26EDF6CED64D5, 0x179CD9D861EA88D4, 0x9215B19F4067EB94, 0xA057271C9071C99D, 0xFAAE4B63AF5E2FCE, 0x626AA618B66F8097, 0x4FFD0BD4CEB91817, 0x3DB5775010E1B5D8, 0x2FF022F6DE8F15AC, 0xB2F31F3332342C23, 0xFBEF80AFD8D4E9E3, 0xB390C5307D8FC20, 0xEFDDDC4D2090A020, 0x421C71D0078C8920, 0xC0A6D88303B18B3A, 0xEABE9A19242D5C3F, 0xA768A3655EC10361, 0xDB6F8096F5F97FA1, 0x714E0920EB64BC43, 0x191084C60942D9ED, 0x65D978022801E3F0, 0xF1E94613D5D38CFC, 0xDF11E397145C0AE4, 0xFAE41FEA21F45564, 0x290A338044D3230C, 0x52BB6824836B8CDF, 0x14DDA69D1CCCBAD3, 0xDF68A1EC6026068, 0x1A9FC5B5319EB92E

I finally figured out why half of my hashes were wrong (as generated from .bsa extracts) and here's some fresh xxhashes from the oven

These are from the main compressed texture file, and ignore hashes contains almost every normal map and glow map in the entire game.
rtx.ignoreTextures and rtx.terrainTextures do not contain hashes generated from landscapelod yet, and some normal maps have snuck into rtx.terrainTextures as well.

Asides from that, this really does help the game look a lot more sensible with standard settings

On the downside, some how I managed to crash my GPU so hard it took out my entire computer, but uhhh yea 👀 💦

I was able to eek out a pretty banging screenshot before it crashed, tho.
Unfortunately with my current mod.usda, remix "falls back to rasterization" (ie black screen) if I try and go outside with it enabled, mind you.

[late comet]

interesting, will probably look later. thanks

[zenith crow]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-right-good-stuff-sir-damn-gif-20974890

I wish the game wouldn't crash if you jumped into water. Apart from that seems mostly playable.

[candid cliff]

Im still getting really mangled & exploding meshes, but not to the same extent on every load.
While Im still experiencing some sporadic crashes, that's probably the biggest issue Ive got atm.. asides from the very reliable crash Im getting when entering an exterior cell with my replacements enabled 😅
I can load an outdoors save and enable replacements, but it sure doesnt like moving between cells after. More testing is needed there on my behalf 🙃

[candid cliff]

@late comet can we get #1097339713062441031 message pinned?

Also whipped together a video of the current showstoppers (IMO)
Showcases the vertex explosion under various conditions, I make heavy use of ts (toggle skies), tll (toggle land lod, disables.. well. land lod) and tlb (basically turns off the Specular, Ambient and Diffuse rendering passes on the fly, maybe some other stuff too)

The "ghost" double effect goes away with tlb, but probably shouldn't happen regardless.

[late comet]

it wont let me pin, i think @spring arch has to do that

[late comet]

what turned off the water i did make it purple back ago

#1097339713062441031 message

needs to be 1 for shader 3

@spring arch can we have some updated pins on what @candid cliff did please, i dont have permission it seems

and please add in a pin that i wont be updating the google drive link until we get this stable enough, but it can be used as a base

[spring arch]

i can't give pinning permissions unfortunately

well, i can, but it'd be chaos

would be nice though

[late comet]

ah ok fair enough, @candid cliff had some stuff wanted pinned too

[late comet]

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-fire-sanity-nomore-hell-gif-23710260

had too sorry

i have some captures of the river, it seems the tlb disables the river terrain layout which is practically i guess rendered under the landscape because some of the mesh bleed through the terrain which is the blurry thing we can step in

ill check the usd's tomorrow at some point hopefully if i have time to see if i can replace the water

@candid cliff what i have so far

anyone willing to help, so i uploaded my so far captures

its a raw folder not used yet

heres my save game

this too

https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/30054 this does work only on version 3.0

but delete the sky shaders that come with

or it will flicker

reloaded does not work

terrain baking stretched my land out to where it was not recognizable so i disabled it for now

[candid cliff]

With terrain baking, I was able to get it stable last night (posting from lunchbreak so not at PC)

Set Z as up, should prevent one known instance of "stretching"

Also disable the "use terrain bounding box" as itll use Oblivions distance values without respecting the difference in scene scale, its why you get grey terrain on anything below your feet.

Ive also got some values here that worked reasonably for me.

As long as you disable LOD (tll) and tag all your terrain textures, this setup should work:

==🔽 Terrain System ==
✅ Enable Runtime Terrain Baking
⬛ Use Terrain Bounding Box
✅ Clear Terrain Texture Before Terrain Baking ❔Untested effect
5000.00 Cascade Map's Default Half Width
2000.00 Cascade Map's Default Height
50.00 First Cascade Level's Half Width ❔Untested effect
6 Max Cascade Levels ❔Untested effect
2024 Texture Resolution Per Cascade Level

[candid cliff]

Oops, forgot to @ u

Or at least it was stable in the Prison District courtyard.

Unfortunately terrain baking discards any replacement material data, but thats a later problem, given how early the terrain baking support even is.

Ive got some ideas for this tho.

We could eventually disable terrain baking altogether, and use the Terrain LOD chunks as targets for mesh replacements for pre-baked and remastered terrain.

Since tlb disables the LOD fade anyway, this could kill two proverbial birds with one stone (ugly distaint terrain with local overlap, and the difficulty of general purpose runtime terrain baking support) at the cost of some heavier texture + mesh memory usage which we'll end up with anyway.

Even better, we can then make use of the in-game frustrum culling to cull unseen far terrain, as the chunk you're in should always be rendered.. I think. YMMV but its a possibility.

[late comet]

yea tlb also makes the river terrain meshes gone tho some how

i looked at the river and noticed it makes a crater

[candid cliff]

I assume the terrain under the water level is disappearing, is that what you mean?

[late comet]

yea

[candid cliff]

Yea, probably has a basic shader being applied to it.
Might be possible to subvert that with some Oblivion.ini tweaks, idk.

[late comet]

i posted my captures above if you wana look later on

[candid cliff]

Nah, unless there's something specific you want me to check them for?

[late comet]

just how to get the water back, its like ocd in oblivion lol

[candid cliff]

Pretty sure if we disable all water shaders and note down the hash of the all pink texture its using, we should be able to target that for material replacement.
I hope, anyway.

[late comet]

#1097339713062441031 message i mean something happened when i used your rtx config

the water is missing now

this is a before shot

after is when the config came in

it didnt render the texture at the time tho

[candid cliff]

Someone mentioned needing to disable the water reflection shader in the .ini or water straight up vanishes, I thought that might have been you but I dont remember 😅
Its possible I may have accidentally added the pink texture to my ignore list as well

[late comet]

which was odd when me and preston had the water going in 1.1 of remix

i think something changed in the remix coding between

[late comet]

yea was me

oh the pink one

hard to find now lol, so many textures ignored lol

if i find the pink one ill open the usd and replace the texture to the actual water one

ill rename it to the hash

@candid cliff there's tlb in the ini

[candid cliff]

Last time I set it in INI i had stability issues, but I might have changed something else at the same time 🤷‍♀️

[candid cliff]

Did some testing and yea seems fine, I must have just been doing something otherwise abnormal with my .ini

[full widget]

how is everything going with all the updates i havent been in for a min

[candid cliff]

Asides from my normals being completely c o o k e d, things have been going fairly well.

[full widget]

finnaly outside i see

looks amazing

@late comet did you update your drive with the new stuff?

[candid cliff]

Honestly this game keeps surprising me
But yea, in short we're WAY more stable than we were, we've mostly resolved the sky issues... although we need to put together a mod file at some point with the correct sky settings and geometry meshes, under certain conditions meshes still explode, but I'm 90% sure it's a regression with updated versions of the remix dxvk and should be fixable

Water is purple, but again that's just a mod file away from fine

[full widget]

ya honestly i was so frustraited i had to take a break

then alot happend with life but im back now and ready to get back into it

[candid cliff]

Right the god dang heck on 😤

[full widget]

lol hells yes

oh did you hear what xbox did 6 days ago?

[candid cliff]

Uhhh.. no?

[full widget]

anyone with a microsoft aCCOUNT IS NOW ON A STRIKE SYSTEM caps sorry

6 days ago everyone is on a new slate so to speak

[candid cliff]

Is this to do with the Minecraft chat thing, or is this something else?

[full widget]

but if you play xbox games or even use office

like microsoft office

[candid cliff]

... eaghck
Yea ok I guess I'll need to look into that later

[full widget]

you can get strikes for profanity offenceive language

hate speach

anything

[candid cliff]

So no filling my word processor with fuck then 🤣

[full widget]

well they can give you a strike and you can now see it

3 strikes you get banned for a month 8 for a year

but they made it to were you can see how manny strikes you have

[candid cliff]

I should be fine from a productivity standpoint, I haven't used office since it went to the god-awful online subscription garbage.
And hilariously I do have my own voxel-buildy game I've been building so not missing out there.
But yea, I'll have to look into what is up with that, like.. banning players that glorify geno#!de in game chat is fair enough, but I'm super curious what relevance the system has to MS Office.
But we should probably let this thread get back to the work of beating Oblivion over the head with a bag of traced rays until it learns to cooperate 😛

[full widget]

lol yes yes i agree

so the water is still being a pain in the ass huh?

[candid cliff]

It's purple 😂
I'm used to it from using Oldblivion back in the day, it's the classic shader error magenta but it does have a solid, consistant hash, so we should be good to replace it with a propper translucent material

and if we do, things under water should have the delicious aqua tint even if we don't have the underwater overlay effect

[full widget]

we can use unity assets for that i think..........

[candid cliff]

Any appropriate PBR material could be used. Only considerations will be quality and the texture's licencing.

[full widget]

....... looks like we may have to go looking at nexus

[candid cliff]

true, water replacement mods for Oblivion might well be a good place to look for... well.. water
For Oblivion
😂

[full widget]

lol

[candid cliff]

ngl I did forget about that

[full widget]

well we are going to be makeing this into a mod released on nexus

[candid cliff]

I suppose so, I've spent so long working on tools that I haven't actually worried too much about hosting platform

[full widget]

they have an exelent way of saying hey this is a required file thats dependent on this mod to work

but really we could see if any one of the water mods work and how well they look

if none of them work then we will have to start our own

[candid cliff]

Absolutely
But I've gotta turn in for the night, jsut wanted to let you know things are going pretty well with Remix support & Oblivion before I passed out.
(And I needed to ask for help in the manual remastering assets thread as I am not importing my normals correctly 🙃 )

[full widget]

well ill be here tonight i would like to tackle this thing and finnish what we all started

[full widget]

lol hahaha

https://tenor.com/view/lol-lmao-anime-haikyuu-hinata-gif-17524722

[full widget]

going to be looking at mods on the nexus for water and see if any of them will bite if not we will have to make our own pbr

[late comet]

liquid water or skyrim like water is on nexus

https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/41599

[full widget]

well lets get cracklackin at it

[late comet]

emissive blend must be high if its purple

[full widget]

i feel like i need to update everything im still on the old stuff

[late comet]

ah

yea

drive isnt updated check pins

[full widget]

i did

wait they havent updated anything yet?

[late comet]

not since last week

check actions in github

[full widget]

what did they update cause im not seeing it

[late comet]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions

[full widget]

there updateing the bridge

do you have an upsated rtx file?

[full widget]

HUH seems to be compleately dark

[late comet]

volumetric lighting needs off

ill let you mess with it, tell me what you find though. i had some plans today.

[full widget]

ok

[floral fern]

I have oblivion with 180 graphics mods, will rtx remix work?

[meager aspen]

Try and see

[full widget]

um probably not rn

[candid cliff]

Mesh replacement mods are going to be the best and most useful, texture replacements less so but still might be useful, and anything shader based will almost certainly be a waste due to how Remix works.

As for "works", entirely depends on how much time you're willing to invest to make sure everything is set up correctly and for bugfixing.
Oblivion RTX is on the precipice of stability, but does still have a few key issues.

[full widget]

@candid cliff can you upload your config file?

[candid cliff]

Tomorrow night, yea sure (after work)

[full widget]

Hell ya

[floral fern]

how to run remix through mod organizer and skse?

[spring arch]

skse? this is oblivion

[spring arch]

you'd just asign obse to Mod Organizer, then run it. it'll hook Remix just fine

[floral fern]

through the mod organizer does not allow you to start the remix

[spring arch]

running obse_loader should launch remix, no?

that's how it works for SKSE, NVSE, and FOSE

[floral fern]

Yes, it seems so, but how to do it, through a batch file?

[spring arch]

i don't understand what the problem is here

simply running obse should hook remix with it. running it through mod organizer should do the same

[floral fern]

MO2 -> skse_loader -> Oblivion, but for some reason the remix won't start

[spring arch]

try using NvRemixLauncher32.exe "path\to\obse_loader.exe" as the launch command in mod organizer

NvRemixLauncher32 is in the game folder alongside the game exe

so it should be like path\to\NvRemixLauncher32.exe ".\obse_loader.exe"

[floral fern]

So?

[spring arch]

the goal is basically to un obse_loader with NVRemixLauncher32.exe, since that'll force it to hook

so in mod organizer, change the launch parameters

[floral fern]

So? I'm sorry for interrupting

[spring arch]

yes. then in Arguments you'd want to do .\obse_loader.exe

like so

except for Oblivion of course. this is the only thing i have set up right now with mod organizer

[floral fern]

😆

[spring arch]

did you edit dxvk.conf at all?

or bridge.conf

[floral fern]

I took this #1097339713062441031 message

[spring arch]

that shouldn't cause this issue

[spring arch]

can you show me the window again where you modified the paths?

[floral fern]

everything worked, I put shaders 1 in dxvk

[floral fern]

something like this, but this is without the remix settings

[candid cliff]

My current rtx.conf, as requested, and my Oblivion.ini as well
(I a experiancing the crash when entering ost bodies of water, not a Remix thing, its got to do with the .ini settings but I figured I'd share it before I wipe it so yall know where Im at 👍 )

One nice thing is I have the movie texture of the menu marked as UI, so you actually get to enjoy the scrolling map bg. It wasn't showing for a while so I leapt at the chance to re-tag it 😂

✨ shiiiiny floors ✨

[late comet]

pretty

[toxic finch]

Is there a good detailed list of instructions on how to get to this world to work 🤔

[zenith crow]

You could try this.

#1097339713062441031 message

You could also use the configs posted here: #1097339713062441031 message

[toxic finch]

Is the low settings because of your PC components or just for performance in general

[candid cliff]

Low graphical settings simplify the game for Remix's sake, it makes it easier for the scene reconstructor to accurately understand what is going on, and then you load up any of your better models, lights, textures and materials with Remix

[toxic finch]

Oh ok

[toxic finch]

Is it an easy or difficult process to convert over elements needed for the remix

[candid cliff]

It'll be easier when the official modding tools get released, but for now you can always check out #1096847508002590760
And quite a few people have made scripts and tools in #1095534398134300682 to make the whole process easier

[fair vessel]

Hello, please advise how should I start

[late comet]

#1097339713062441031 message

[fair vessel]

Thanks!

[candid cliff]

If you need help please ask in here, I dont check my Message Requests very often!

[late comet]

same

[candid cliff]

I call this picture... The Apple Cobblestone of your Eye

[late comet]

what is that a camera?

[candid cliff]

I think that is centered around the camera, or (0,0,0) as far as Remix is aware

[late comet]

can it be replaced?

i do know theres a hidden nif file that holds the camera that we cant even extract

[candid cliff]

Oh that's not the problem, I've created a bug report, it's a regression in vertex capture which isn't present in the version of remix that came out 27/05/20223
I've spent.. way too long narrowing that one down

Remix is getting confused about the mesh data, I'm not sure why, only theories on how and specific reproduction steps but it results in the exploding meshes we've been running into

Or at least thats what my sleep deprived and addled brain thinks 😂

In this case, it's the verticies of nearby stone archways getting a little mixed up with the verticies of the protagonist's eye

[late comet]

or is the camera the eye? hmmmm

[candid cliff]

Submitted after WAY too much faffing about: https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/245
With any luck, this will make sense to someone who actually understands the code base and we can enjoy the latest DXV Remix build without exploding meshes!

[fair vessel]

Hello, how to fix this? I placed atmosphere.nif in \Oblivion\Data\Meshes\Sky

Also, sometimes camera distances from character in weird way, creating it's twin without texture, and reversing control

[late comet]

i don't think the nif is used anymore since @candid cliff found the geometry hash

#1097339713062441031 message get the geometries from here and put them in your own

[fair vessel]

Thank you

How do I fix this?

[late comet]

that would be tlb in console in the game

or this #1097339713062441031 message

and turn volumetric lighting off

i wont be doing anything until #1097339713062441031 message gets fixed maybe

[fair vessel]

Understood, much appreciated!

[late comet]

np

but any additions to the project will be appreciated

[fair vessel]

Sorry, where?

[late comet]

in render in remix

[late comet]

any fixes yet? @candid cliff

[candid cliff]

I've been busy working my butt off with work, I haven't had time to even mess about with Remix myself since I posted this bug report
Looking forward to chiselling out some more time for it, but cant say for sure when I will be able to

Really freaking keen to when I can, tho

[late comet]

when i'm free since the remix update i might take a look again

[late comet]

had a fall resulting in me breaking my char while i hit the floor last month. arms fine but it is extremally sore. so when its healed and i dont forget I'll check things out

[spring arch]

ouch

[late comet]

anyone know what the player camera is so i can set the usda , ty

or setting the emmisive mat under looks, because theres so many and i can't pinpoint

seems the camera is a model or thats omni's not sure

[late comet]

scratch that got it

did enough today , need a mental break

still crashes the game if i try going in water or the water is missing, wasnt missing before or crashing. Don't know what happened

[late comet]

@candid cliff new issue outside

doubles and shadows and when i move it follows

remixed replaced

[late comet]

well the generated triangle culling enables the water but if disabled it fixes the shadows but the double bug is there and water is missing

[late comet]

think i know what i did wrong, i might have messed up my omniverse folder structure. will fix later in the pm very late if it is so

[candid cliff]

Wait holy shit I didnt even notice THE WATER IS THERE

[late comet]

yep now i just need to find out the double bug and the shadows following

patched terrain too

[late comet]

provided files just in case someone can see what i mean

[late comet]

seems on talking with others we need player model and the other player models at the same time but its not doable yet because stuff disappears from the player or npc's if both selections are on

i hope its fixed soon because we use first person and 3rd person view

[late comet]

found out this was giving the shadow bug, but if the mat is changed to rgb the whole game is red and the shadow bug is gone

nvm found out why its red wwoops was emmisive

[late comet]

too many errors in the bridge when it crashes with things

biggest error dump lol

[late comet]

had to wipe pc but issues still stand with the game

yes total wipe of all drives

[late comet]

this and this #1097339713062441031 message

[late comet]

same bugs with 4.0

messing with the toolkit some to see how i far i can go outside of the interior cells without crashing

[fair vessel]

Is that issue still in place?

[candid cliff]

I literally just finished testing that believe it or not 😂

Looks like this commit https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/commit/4e9f0d855e12831f7640383a05aadc990a81114b does a good job of solving it, but I could still do more extensive testing

[fair vessel]

That's great news!

[candid cliff]

Just sorting out closing out my ticket now actually, then it's time to test under remix 0.4

[fair vessel]

Thank you for contributing and informing 😄

[candid cliff]

Great job at timing, you couldn't have asked at a more perfect time xD

Alright, thats my bookkeeping done, time to try out remix runtime 0.4

[late comet]

decided to start over since the tool came out. messing with starter area first

inside the sewers and prison

oh boy

[marble wadi]

Eager to see the results

[late comet]

paused until later in the day. gonna take forever cause its only one little area, i lost 1 16gb ram stick so its going rather slow. i just wish the tool used less ram

[fair vessel]

Howdy?

[tawdry glade]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT OBLIVION1111!!!!!!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/fart-its-healthy-healthy-farting-elephant-gif-5650525

[hushed elbow]

Even with a 3080 it took an hour to do 8 textures for another game, like wtf

[late comet]

the ones i showed all failed

[swift cloud]

Could be a vram issue because the remix editor doesn’t close the scene viewer when you change tab. Try doing it by restarting remix and running the textures before opening your capture.

From here: https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1199075805356109926

[spring arch]

the upscaling process also does not clear VRAM after it's finished, so restart after upscaling

according to a github issue on this topic, that should be fixed in the next update for the toolkit

[spring arch]

to confirm: this is fixed now

[late comet]

thanks for the clarification, i'm in the process of doing irl, trying to move to a new apartment but when im moved i will look more into the project again

[late comet]

errors all over resulting in game freeze and bridge crash, don't know of a fix

[late comet]

its only way i can think of why im crashing is due to lack of a gpu, i have a 2060 super 8gb and i'm starting to think im going to have to upgrade to continue unless nvidia comes down on the requirements cause alot of cards are super expensive now and days

[digital elk]

Huh, did my first go at Oblivion but this is about as far as I got. I got the rtx.conf off of moddb, and followed the pinned instructions

[late comet]

the pins are old and it wont be updated til the games stable enough, try the one below its updated

[digital elk]

It's like there's a white dome around the player and I can't get it to be ignored or find a view model that's correct

the d3d8to9 that comes with .50 remix works perfectly, I just had to drop remix in it and it ran

[spring arch]

my game doesn't look like this at all

did you install Oblivion.ini?

i just re-tested my old settings and setup info and it all works perfectly fine still, though you no longer need the custom remix build

[digital elk]

Yep, oblivion.ini installed. Found the problem, I'm so silly, I literally made a folder called "Sky Directory" instead of just sky when reading the instructions

Very cool!

[candid cliff]

Babies first Executable Patch 😂

First things first, changing a single character in the executable to change the title name, up next... uhh probably something in the middle but eventually, hopefully, dialing back the frustrum culling a little 😂

Honestly AFAIK there are only a few "major" issues left with Oblivion, and with 0.5 it's actually been fairly stable.

• Culling is a pain in the ass. It's fine but it is rather distracting.
• Some objects have violent jerky motion-blurring style motions from time to time (even with motion blur turned off, I assume some mix up with instancing & motion vectors)
• Every now and then depending on what is being rendered the whole damn auto captured materials setup completely breaks and most things go transparent. Honestly this is the worst atm but might be solved by full material replacement.

Asides from that.. yea.

Terrain LoDs can just be turned off (although if we can find a way to offset them down under the terrain or hide them close to the player that'll be perfect)
The game rasterises if menus are open, but that's perfectly playable for the time being.

[late comet]

how'd you do this

plus i need to figure out how the terrain is becoming patchy

areas are clipping through with sand, rock etc

tlb needs to be on or the water does not show

anticulling causes the jerking motion btw

[candid cliff]

I did not have anticulling enabled, so it shouldn't have?

[late comet]

might be world transform

its been awhile since ive touched the game since its so buggy

[candid cliff]

This I can answer, thats the terrain far LOD clipping over the nornal terrain.
I think in the base game it must be hidden within a radius of you by a shader.
It can be somewhat alleviated by disabling terrain lods with the relevant console command tll (i just had to look the command up but heres a link for posterity and everyone's reference https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Console )

There might be a series of ini tweaks we can get away with to avoid needing it, or maybe we can mod the shader to be less broken in Remix

[golden creek]

Try enabling this

[late comet]

but the terrain lods need to render right or it wouldnt look right at all?

[candid cliff]

I'm pretty sure I did, but Ill make sure that wasn't me remembering doing it on a different game tomorrow 😂

[late comet]

if i knew how to edit sdp shader files

when the sdp is editable its all mathimatical code

http://timeslip.chorrol.com has the shader editor

[candid cliff]

Only way I kbow of right now is to launch the game with the Oldblivion launcher, it has a config option to decompile the shaders, and recompile them afterwards.

I was trying to make my own tool a while ago but all it does so far is extract the still compiled shaders from the .sbp container.

Just a heads up Oldblivion decompiles them to the shader assembly intermediary language so perfectly editable but bloody confusing.

I think the DX9 SDK has a tool (dxc?) that can be used on the commandline to do the same, and they also open sourced the tool here : https://github.com/microsoft/DirectXShaderCompiler/tree/main/projects/dxilconv/lib/DxbcConverter

(but just use Oldblivion, it works. I haven't tried these other options)

[late comet]

i could mess with it again, might crash since its old enough though

[candid cliff]

Oh score thats cool as

Ill check it tomorrow 👍 (* if i remember 😅)

[late comet]

ok

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-skyrim-guard-glitch-imperial-gif-12292665

i almost downloaded this https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/15245 , to see if the shaders included would help

another thing, when i try getting near the sewer entrance i crash again so i use another save to get around but yea

[candid cliff]

One thing I did back with remix 0.1.1 was copy the assembly of simple shaders over the top of more complicated shaders.
I could set flat debug colors, I think I was making a spreadsheet of what was responsible for what but remix 0.2 came out shortly thereafter and was way more stable so it didnt end up being nessesary.
Here's a link to some essential reading if you want to try your hand at becoming a DirectX Shader Assembly wizard 😅 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct3dhlsl/dx9-graphics-reference-asm-ps-registers-ps-1-x

[late comet]

oh gee

lol

[candid cliff]

Yea looking at my old notes I was not sad to not need to do this 😂

[late comet]

i would read on it later and try to learn if my brain lets it

[candid cliff]

Thankfully the subset of oocodes for < shader model 3.0 is kuch, much smaller than above 3.0, but still

[late comet]

oldblivion you can force 2.0

[candid cliff]

It definitely feels like trying to learn a different language. Probably because that is literally what is happening 😂

[late comet]

i wish the person who made oldblivion had the source code

[candid cliff]

Correctanundo, and I found download links for the Oldblivion source code via wayback machine, but sadly the binaries were cached but the source was not.

[late comet]

ow

least i have a 12gb gpu now so i can work on this a little more

[candid cliff]

Oldblivion comes with a precompiled sdp pack of shaders limited to 2.0 commands or older iirc
Abd bless the creator for that too, it was the only way I could even load Oblivion on my machine back in 2006 😅

[late comet]

i think you can even force shader 1 water

if able

unless we find something that just makes it shader 0

[candid cliff]

Which is why I got so excited about Remix and hopeful for Oblivion.
I kbew from personal experience the tools were out there

[late comet]

and i thought fallout 3 would be easier , nope

[candid cliff]

If you can get that ini option to work out let us know 👍

[late comet]

fallout 3 has some dome bug

comes back even if you fix it

[candid cliff]

Setting an alarm to remind myself for tomorrow to try my hand at fixing that, pretty sure just adding the correct mesh hashes to the rtx.conf ignore meshes list should do the job but I just haven't had the time to try.

[late comet]

i wonder if the shaders have to do with the players camera still

if i can find the hidden camera model

so i can replace it

[candid cliff]

And it'll be plural. Every weather state has a combination of meshes for various cloud and effect layers.

[candid cliff]

What do you mean?

[late comet]

remember the hidden camera in the players eye

the old bug issue

in github

[candid cliff]

If you mean the one I reported that had nothing to do with hidden cameras, or at least I am dead certain it was a mesh hash collision issue or perhaps some sort of vertex array mishmash

[late comet]

the one with vertix explosions . but i wonder if its also reading where the player is looking

the entire head model could be a cam i dunno

[candid cliff]

My theory was that some objects vertex data would confuse and corrupt Remixs', so as soon as those objects came into view (and were no longer culled by Oblivion) everything would go haywire

Also camera =/= model.
It would make intuitive sense that a camera would need some sort of physical presence but it actually doesnt. At the end of the day its just a set of transforms (position, rotation and scale, but no mesh during gameplay)

Come to think of it, Im not sure the players head actually renders normally in first person. Not all games even bother, so the camera near clipping plane could be in front of the face.. or there might be no face at all in firat person.

Maybe not so relevant but ita got me curious 😅

[late comet]

and when you load the scene with the player in remix tools half of stuff is missing

[candid cliff]

That I dont have an answer for

[late comet]

see the terrain is botched

but when i went through zone to zone, it seems most of everything rasterized because i didnt select anything. this was with 4.5 to 5

[digital elk]

the 3rd person's pretty cool

A little clean up and it comes together nicely. Tagging and then untagging something terrain kinda ruins it temporarily - but a load in/out resets it

[solid gulch]

seems wrong land texture- its just shader problem. Try to disable LOD.

[spring arch]

i tried before with no luck

but my install does look more correct than that for whatever reason

[late comet]

the land texture thing is a known oblivion bug but with the old fix it seems remix does not touch the fix

this is a post thats old but shows some of whats happening with different terrain types. https://www.giantbomb.com/the-elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion/3030-20238/forums/oblivion-square-grass-texture-problems-378870/

https://www.reddit.com/r/oblivion/comments/31yw0q/weird_texture_issue_all_grass_has_turned_into_a/

[candid cliff]

I just wanted to experiment with getting one asset from capture to enhancement, mesh and all
Instead I got sucked into a 5 and a half hour long Blender + 3D Coat sesh
On the plus side, I think the Imperial City gas lamp looks perty
10.8k Tris, and a 2k Texture that honestly I could cut down to 1k just fine.
Some other day I'll make it a little less green and try and get it into the Market District, where it belongs
Ideally in addition to the point light I want to put a candle texture in there too, try out some of the spritesheet animation things the remix materials have.

[earnest skiff]

This is fucking awesome, good stuff

[late comet]

good job

[candid cliff]

#1106553248590090351 message
I finally have a somewhat working local dev environment and modified code base (I changed some things gcc does not support) that is able to compile a working copy of WallSoGB & BlueAmulet's Fallout New Vegas RTX Helper mod/plugin, and I'm hoping I should be able to create much of the same for the Oblivion Script Extender plugin format.

I should at least be able to do something about the culling issues we've been having.

It's slow going and it's going to take me a while to have the time to work on this, but it's good news and I wanted to share

[late comet]

good to hear

i hope it comes soon. then we can have a blast working on this

[late comet]

any news on the plugin

@candid cliff

[candid cliff]

No, but Ive got my c++ environment all set up to go (based on compiling WallSoGB/BlueAmulet's nvse lights/no cull plugin)

And I recompiled my header-only Godot xxhash module for Godot, which I was able to use as part to batch convert a bunch of textures for the recent #showcase screenshots.
I mean you can do it by hand with command line and texconv.exe, and Ill have to manually remaster materials eventually, but its a pain to do it that way.

@late comet did you want to grab some screenshots and update the first image in your/the first post in this thread?
If u want to feel free to use any of these: #showcase message

[late comet]

@spring arch on the 1st post of thread can you help me show the pics from the imgur link so its updated on the project page

[spring arch]

you just put a direct link to the image from imgur

[spring arch]

did you get it?

[late comet]

no, i posted a link with 3 but it didnt post

[candid cliff]

I think Discord might be getting confused with the multiple links reg. what it should display as an embed.. That said.. copy and pasting the text of the OP into a new post on my own private Discord server (as a test) embedded fine?
Could be something funky with Discord Forums. I am confused and surprised 😅

[stone cove]

could you do this with elder scrolls morowind

it uses derict X 8

[candid cliff]

There is a project thread for #1097049994156060682

[late comet]

how goes the module

[true dove]

WIth a combo of some settings oldblivion and new remix builds this is getting much more stable

I just cant open the remix menu

if i could do that itd basically be golden

[candid cliff]

Go into the game's .ini files in My Documents/ and look for and disable (?) bBackgroundKeyboard IIRC

[true dove]

hmmm its on 0 ill try 1

[candid cliff]

Ahh cool cool

[true dove]

no luck, i wonder if i change open button to my mouse

[candid cliff]

I'll have to poke at it later ❤️

[true dove]

setting it to middle mouse button gives me windows cursor but it doesnt pop up menu

[late comet]

oblivion is somewhat stable with a few crashes without oldblivion because if you use olblivion you will have different texture hashes and models

because the shaders

im hoping coffee releases the module soon for it so i can try it out soon

so im at a standstill for now and looking at updated screenies instead D:

oh i havent messed with the remix tools lately. question why does some of the models render and some wont

very weird, not to mention opaque models

@candid cliff do you have a rtx conf file i can copy from i keep crashing near the sewer exit outside. dont know what i did

[candid cliff]

No time soon Im afraid.
The module does not yet exist as getting TESReloaded to compile on MinGW is a paaaiiiiiin and work and life has had me busy 🙃
The screenshots are just with plain Oblivion Remix as it stands right now.

[late comet]

ok thats good to know. game still stands as a buggy mess with terrain patches and stuff

[candid cliff]

Ill uploaded it in a bit, not at my pc right now. I dont think it'll stop your crashing tho, more likely to be an Oblivion.ini thing if i had to guess

[candid cliff]

Use tll to disable/toggle land lod while running, it destroys distant terrain but it is less broken 😂

[late comet]

im getting more discouraged though everytime skyblivion gets near

[candid cliff]

Ive got a soft spot for the classics, all their warts and their mods. And half of the fun for me is learning all these cool new tools and techniques (and mods like in Fallout 3, it has an amazing mod based on The Cube horror movie I cannot wait to see with path tracing 😍)
But if you just want to play the classics, but ✨refreshed✨ with a fresh coat of paint and with substantially less pain to get there... I get it 😂
I just hope we can have something half decent by Oblivion's 20th year anniversary in a year and a half!

[late comet]

same

unless someone backports skyblivion to work with skyrim le and do remix with it

[mighty skiff]

I mean if oblivion actually becomes stable it'll theoretically look a million times better than skyblivion will. Theoretically.

[fair vessel]

Ray tracing highlights that most of models look like roughly-skinned potato

[mighty skiff]

Hence why PBR and mesh replacements exist in the toolkit

[fair vessel]

With this, I would indeed prefer ORTX more than skyblivion

[stone cove]

Thanks

[late comet]

@candid cliff I wouldn't trust oldblivion, it seems it was a virus

for now i wouldnt use it for the project sadly scanning my pc it found this

[candid cliff]

Depends where you downloaded it from.
My old copies didnt trip any alarms, and it's likely that its tripping the Trojan heuristic because of how it interferes with Oblivion.. but prudence is always sensible.

[toxic finch]

You will have this finished before sky Oblivion comes out 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[candid cliff]

The race is on, TES IV with Path tracing VS TES VI

[toxic finch]

sky Oblivion will be a 2026 game 100% no way they are making it to 2025

[late comet]

chatgpt telling me whats up

chatgpt made me a shader for terrain for the mod obge

I'm moving soon so i will not have time until i get internet again to mess with the project. if anyone wants to test this please do

@candid cliff

https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/30054 this and stated above

and also thank you @candid cliff taking on the project when im not able too, you're amazing

mobile hotspot internet sucks

[toxic finch]

V3 looks pretty interesting I've only used the older versions before

[solid gulch]

its no sense using OBGE

Oblivion reloaded is much faster

[candid cliff]

Sorry for my delay and lack of progress on this project in general.

Real life, work, yadda yadda y'all familiar with the struggle as you all feel it yourselves ❤️

But I'm happy to report that I don't see us needing any custom Shader Model 3 shaders, in fact RTX Remix has been the most stable and performant with Oldblivion's bastardised Shader Model 2 / 1.4 shaders; although that difference has gotten pretty insignificant with modern versions of the Remix runtime.

I'm specifically happy about that because reading up on interpreting and re-writing the compiled shader bytecode included with the game was awful and I hated it 😂

Honestly my main sticking point right now is getting a copy of Oblivion Reloaded to compile with g++ thanks to my Sisyphean challenge to avoid Visual Studio and Microsoft's deluge of EULAs I don't want to read 😂

I can get New Vegas Reloaded to compile, but Oblivion's counterpart has proven annoyingly stubborn, and last I touched this I was still bumping into linking errors.

If anyone wants to take a crack at it and doesn't have a brain full of holes, that's what I'd recommend, since the hooks TESReloaded gives you are a huge chunk of what you'll want to tweak how the game renders to smooth out the kinks with RTX Remix Runtime, or even directly integrate RTX Remix API.

It's on the cards for me to take another stab at, but unfortunately other things have priority for now.

[late comet]

What is oldblivion like with 1.4 shaders? Last time I used it remix wasn't showing some of the models for some reason. But also if any of reloaded or anything else is used we have different hashes due to models and textures until replacements can be opted in.

I'm not an artist, far from it but if anyone wants to make replacements, I say go for it. Lol hopefully later when no'one is busy we will have time to jab at the project. Irl always first, @candid cliff has done more work than I, but if anyone wants to help, you're welcome to. Maybe remixed oblivion will come to fruition one day.

[late comet]

With limited time anymore due to me being in a mental group home and my only free time is late on weekdays and off weekends, I just don't have time anymore for this but if anyone wants to pickup wherever we left off or if @candid cliff wants the lead go ahead. It will probably be remixed one day but I don't have any time

[zenith quiver]

UE 5.5 Vs RTX Remix. ||Obligatory HDR warning||

[zenith quiver]

getting somewhere I guess.

[zenith quiver]

few more of leyawiin. I don't have hardly any texture replacements done yet though. 5 tops.

[zenith quiver]

some more tweaks ... including the JXR's this time. the png's prob look like trash unless viewed under on a hdr device.

[marble wadi]

That already looks very nice, can you send more screenshots?

[late comet]

how do, anyone been playing with it?

[zenith quiver]

Hey there Murray. For Me, I gave up on this one for the time being right as the official remaster came out. That along with the other problems the game and remix has presented has sent Me packing back to trying to do something with Morrowind instead.

[candid cliff]

The remaster has had me preferencing Fallout New Vegas first. I still want to sweep down the line (F3, Oblivion.. OG Skyrim etc, if I can get on xoror3d's level then Fallout 4) eventually, but Im just choked for time, and I already have the FNV plugin compiling. (And F3/TES4 wont atm)

[shut oyster]

@candid cliff i know it's a crazy complicated thing to do but i really hope you get it to work with fallout 4.

[candid cliff]

It's one of those things that's theoretically possible, very much an equivalent project to the work (WallSoGB? Xoror?) was doing with Skyrim and making a custom interface beyween Remix and DX11; I have no delusions as to whether I can pull it off but Id love to try in time

[candid cliff]

Bit of an odd one today.
One of The Green Team was asking about the state of Oblivion in the #1097049994156060682 thread, and it got me thinking. Had a little time this evening after work so I decided to wade in and see where I'd left things off.
Managed to figure out a few important fixes, actually.

I don't know if I documented my sky fix in here, so you want to crank the "Skip Untextured Draw Calls" (or whatever it's called) part of the "Sky Tuning" menu to something around 9999, that gets the default sky clear colour captured.
Then you want to tag all of your sky textures as sky and with the relatively new RTX Remix Runtime flag to ignore Texture alpha (right at the bottom)
Do that to the lot and hey presto, the sky works. I find a sky brightness of 0.5 is pretty much identical in result to the default rasterised sky, visually.

Doing this also allows the game's default directional sunlight (and moonlight!) to work... sometimes. Either the light casters are getting culled when I look away from where they're coming from, or something else is popping up and blocking them. Either way, enjoy another image of the market district, this time without faked sunlight! Only the real deal today!

Second, to fix distant terrain clipping through everything. This had been infuriating me for ages, and in #1106553248590090351 I was experimenting with flagging LODs as Sky, so they composite over the skybox instead.
Somewhat elegant, but you're only going to get the raster, with whatever messed up settings you have to help Remix thrive.
Turns out there was a property in Documents/My Games/Oblivion/Oblivion.ini the entire time, change:
fLODLandVerticalBias=0 to fLODLandVerticalBias=-1000.0000
That's it. It offsets all distant land / terrain LOD down by 10 meters. Done.

Third, if you miss having a background in your inventory, I discovered 3 blank textures. They should be some of the earlier textures captured by Remix and sort close to the top of the texture flagging list in the Runtime.
For my resolution (1280 X 740) their texture hashes were as follows:
027870A95F831C1F
EC32A23016104934
3FD372C760330996
Turns out every time you open your inventory, a render target copy of the main camera blits the current screen over to one of three textures (and with some shader magic makes them all lovely and sepia)
Screwing around setting some combination of these two render targets to Raytrace and these three textures to UI I was able to get a sepia version of what I had pathtraced, but not with your avatar getting the same treatment.
In the end I just set the three with Sky Texture flags, and the result is passable for the time being, and your avatar remains in pathtraced, albeit dark glory.

Finally I finally got my water back, but the rendering of said water is still profoundly broken. (Water diffuse texture hash is 61736BE62FFC6328)
It's a uniform blue expanse, and if I try to replace it with a translucent material the renderer freaks out with any settings and it becomes a sparkling tar pit of graphical errors.
But hey, at least it exists again!

In the middle of moving my rig over to Linux, replaced my motherboard and Windows unactivated itself and I can't find another copy of my key (and the automated phone support is profoundly garbage)
So I'll be a little busy fixing all that, but my HEMA tournaments are over for a few months and other things are chilling out for me too, so hopefully I have more time to lavish on Remix and Bethesda's back-catalogue

[late comet]

Thinking about this game again

Maybe