#💭︱cai-discussion
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LITERALLY
my boyfriend tried to get me to get Spotify, but i’m not separating from my YT music
Then kick him in the pearls. No man can beat you up then
bc when im trying to battle, it's annoying. we're trying to fight each other, what do you mean he presses a nervous kiss to my cheek.
i'mma kiss him with an fuckin uppercut
Imagine being so far away and the bot grabbing your hand as if you were close.
🤤🤤🤤love seeing the sight of that
Cause some people don't want romance /this is not meant to come out in a rude way
They removed the resources for the old model so it won't come back
yall why does my bot keep kissing my forehead😭 i try to remove it by editing but they still keep doing it omg
My sister tried to do that to me. She has to pay $25 for a family subscription. I'm not doing that
- Invidious is a 3rd party Youtube front end that doesn't show ads.
- Valid, actually.
oh.. yeah yeah that
i only get kisses during platonic times, or if i just beg cuz i’m lonely
Im gonna sob
25$ for SPOTIFY OF ALL THINGS..
i had a bot touch my characters facr through their phone screen once. it was so confusing
No im not guys it's ai.
I think? Because convert to my currency, it was just about 8 dollars for cai+. But Play Store have fixed rate, so 2 dollars are the tax
EXACTLY! Then she pays extra for audio books. Like bro💀
"he caressed her cheek lovingly" bro we're on a zoom call?? what do you mean
Why not use Brave browser?
might as well just get audible at this point
like youtube music works fine, it’s perfect for me
wait did I get sniped
Must be different in different states. Because mine is just 9.99 with a 70¢ tax
he gave her a soft kiss on the cheek
Bro im texting you from 2 states away
is geoguessr an automod word
them ig
Exactly
stop I remember when I first used cai I talked to this gojo bot and somehow this guy was communicating through my ocs head when they were far away
I refuse to use that on principle of it being owned by a homophobe and there are other alternatives.
the only reason i dont use youtube music is bc the quality is worse (at least to my ears) and i hate the layout. otherwise i would LOVE to switch from Spotify bc like none of my favorite artists are on spotify anymore rlly
finally an LGBTQ unfriendly browser
I dont care. I use it for my benefit
Exactly. I'm actually listening to YouTube Music rn. It's a random mix and it's old nightcore music I hadn't listened to in years.
many businesses are owned by homophobes
finally?
I love my Spotify I will always be a Spotify person
Reacted ❓️to your message
it’s mostly rock, metal, or indie for me
uh, what?
For intellectual reasons this is a joke
I know it, suprised that it got mistaken
it stems from how many things I see labeled as LGBTQ friendly so I want to know where the UNFRIENDLY things are
for intellectual reasons, I am part of the acronym
Why?
Mine suggestions is always cover songs, hardstyles, and remixes.
Enough woke media, give me media that's tired
funny
hopefully so they can call them out? nvm
Baha
enough gay media, where's my media that's depressed?
if imagining an LGBTQ unfriendly scooter repair place isn't funny idk what to tell you
💀
same, or js shit i won’t ever listen to like Gorepig (??) or Mayhem or smth
Why do they care im crine they are there just to repair scooters...
I also get alot of 18+ songs. Which is weird because I barley listen to them.
oh dayum
I got a CPR cover song. It's wild because it's sung by some anime girl.
Like baa baa black sheep, have you any wool~ Shit is scary, so gory /j
What r u guys talking abtt
Scary man
"Since ur a man and you like men we aren't going to fix ur scooter even though we know nothing about your personality"
music i think
Music on YT Music
yall use youtube music..??
Yes
i need to go to bed i have to get up in 4 hours. goodnight do not explode
Explodes
i only use spotify yt music is so confusing
Nope. I dw the songs and play it on my default music player
NO!!!
Yes!! It's 3 am and I'm not tired guys is this okay
I used to use some app music download app that would make a new app every update and it would download music from YouTube to your phone.
It's 2:05 am here and I woke up because I'm very sick and it's hard for me to fall asleep when I'm in this state
hope you feel better soon sky 
Make a new app every update?? What the helly
Oof I hope you get better soon. I just got over a bad sickness.
It was so annoying bro
aw, i was at a dance comp while i was sick recently so i get it
im getting a little frustrated with the bot’s short responses
Thank you so much! To be honest, I've been like this since Monday. I've tried everything: remedies, pills, and nothing works. I took some syrup a few hours ago, but still nothing 😭
despite giving long responses as well bruu 💔
they now have the abilty to walk out a room but they keep leaving when i say one rude thing
Guys I'm hungry but it's 3AM. Should I make myself some food or wait till breakfast?
it’s real annoying 💔
both
sometimes the only thing that really helps is rest and time 💔
something light to hold yourself til breakfast
theres no shame in making cereal at 3am trust
id say uhhh make smth light and then have breakfast later
Ur supposed to go to sleep
I could make myself sandwiches. But I'm craving corndogs
i got pneumonia last year and it lasted for like 3 weeks, horrible
I'll try to sleep now and see if I can. Good night to you and everyone else here.
im tryna fjnd my portable charger and im reading chat whilr doing so lol
I'm glad im on summer break already
Real, but my fridge is broken rn and it's a hit or miss on if it's actually keeping the milk cold
Oh
i got a URTI when i was 13, lasted nearly 4 weeks i believe 😭 also like nearly 4-5 days of sleep deprivation
HELLO MY FRIDGE IS BROKEN RN TOO
My grandma had pneumonia last year and had to be hospitalized. Scary times.
I think our fridges has some conspiracy going on.
They planned this
Everything makes sense now
Tell us more laizard
The fridge- the bad announcements this is all just a test if we would still stay in the c.ai community
omg ur right..
Obviously they did. I have to ask around for fridges or be forced to pay for a new one. And I'm to broke for a new one.
The state or smth is paying for a new one for us because ours can't be fixed

Lucky, the state hates me rn for some reason. I swear they're out to get me
actually I shouldn't talk, the leasing office replaces ours when it breaks because apartment building life
I'm crine
We got like 3000 something bucks for it i think
C.ai devs you absolute genius! Once we prove yall's loyalty and then the good announcement's will begin to appear
You crying? What about me??? I'm miserable over here😭
holy shit how expensive are fridges
They are to expensive
Soon..roar will return (cope land)
The cope continues on
..alot
oh no it's 1 AM
Hey it's 3 am for me
i love makima
Same
So instead of taking the criticism of pipsqueak 2 normally, they just made a split of it that’s just called “yap”… right.
Chainsaw man mentioned
Lamenting the fact that I can't react
yed and it do esnt even work
Yap sucks worse
I think they added it so they could work to fix PS2
If it’s worse they made it to be petty
I mean it's experimental so idk
Remember: "Yap" is "paY" backwards
CRINE
They are telling us to pay or we get nothing
why's everything deadass money hungry this year
You pay with your sanity
I wish I was rich
me too
I want rich people problems
First lesson: be corrupt /j
Good lord pip 2 yap is not any better 😭
YOOOOO I just found my new favorite song on YT Music
Hey so. I'm a nice person
Some people enjoy it
Its like 20x worse
The greatest gaslighting in the big 26
How comee
It just gave me a long ah response to describe the scene I want because of my response like what is this chat gpt? 😭

its fuckin roleplaying for my character againnnn 😒😒😒
Anyone wish they could just punch some sense into the chat style
i miss roarrr
Had that issue the other day. Nearly smashed my phone.
I feel like the memory of the bot has worsen idk if yall had witnessed that
real.
yes
"Hey pipsqueak barry how are you doing" "Post deemed inappropriate"
5 chats away and the bot be yappin abt some enemy we didn't even encounter
STOP I TRY TO BE :((
Boooom
Heh
Yes even with that announcement saying the memory was better like LIES 😭
Try smthn like (Focus on [AI Character Name] not [Your Character Name]). It usually works for me
This literally
Why do our bots get dementia as we talk to them
it used to
C.ai devs be spittin out nonsense FUHH
Doesn't work for you anymore??
people keep saying the ratings on cai r going down meanwhile it's still 4.4 on app store
Like bro why are you lying ain’t nothing memorized 😭
Hey boys
I'm crine they all asleep
I get that it's free and it needs to be paid and stuff but still tho listening to the community with yo ears are also free
For me it says 2.2
Well they need to wake up
I’m the bomb

can confirm, says 2.2 for me too
y r u still awake
W-wow!
Like bro why is it so bad 😭
YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ASLEEP
I’m going to blow up
i just sat back down after getting my charger and had to check a text from my cousin, this was the first thing open still lol

I just wanna make doomguy hit the gritty against his will
im going to bed right now, trust 😭
Good
I hate shitsqueak
Real
w
Guys why does the filter delete ur whole message 😰
Wym?
Wait it’s really bad
Right now mine is fine
How do you mean?
These chatGPT ahh responses are making me feel like I'm having a detox away from c.ai, it's just actively making me hate the platform more and more
This is why I roleplay with people too!!
People keep saying this happens to them its not happening to me it just filters the bots message for me.
Shit's peak
Is anyone else’s bot’s really mean to them also, mine told me to stub my toe over and over again until I bled
im depressed why aren’t the devs listening to what thecommunity wants 😭😭i really need roar and soft launch back pleaseeee i hate pipsqueak
“Some people enjoy it” (surrounded by everyone talking abt how bad it is)
Anyone else's Feed showing absolute random shit you never even looked up?😒
Girl they stopped giving a gaf about us 3 years ago
iKNOW
Apparently they deleted the resources for them so there is so way to bring them back
They aren’t gonna suddenly change their mind and start listening to people when it’s profits they listen to
Wa wa
Their money is going to go down because they removed the chat models
lmao real like wdym I can make my character pull a whole ass whale out his pocket and throw it at any issue?
Why do the messages keep repeating the previous message and when I make it send another one it just DOES IT AGAIN, so it can’t continue the chat by itself
but why?☹️
think of the biggest, fattest raccoon you’ve ever seen if you have.
now it’s.. 2x bigger.
why does some of my bot take forever to message all of sudden while others are fine
Dude it's been weeks. When Pipsqueak 2 it's going to be normal like before the first day it come out without problem?
Not if people keep paying their plus subs and arguing nonsensically that “oh well actually this is good that free users get dogshit models to use cuz we pay 10 bucks to get a slightly better model”
URSAAL! :D hiii bestie
They cant reach anymore the old Infrastructure with the old models
Now seems they want to rework them into the new Infrastructure starting with Soft Launch 2
And ofc keep "improving* All the squeak models
im like clinging onto dear life talking to my bots but ever since this new pipsqueak thing happened it literally has cut my addiction completely😭😭 every time i swipe for a new response if its mostly narrative, its just the same thing just different wording and synonyms
Now that's a FAT Raccoon🤣
yes
I created a bot it said “in about 4 hours” what does that mean?
good nip that addiction in the bud
Yo
it’s not even that much of a difference too
I heard people say that the models for plus is starting to suck
They had just released a new model called pipsqeuak 2 • yap which supposed to have lesser nerrative and more dialogue
Sigh
im trying it but its not the same, the responses are very bland it feels like im talking to a wall
HAH good I’m tired of hearing the sucking up maybe they’ll start being honest
Since the CEO was changed they decide to move into a new Infrastructure
Its like they are slowly trying to make us stop the addiction so they can delete the app im crine
no fr and it’s highkey working
Just me or are so many creators just posting the same boring tropes
They could easily get rid of the imagine bull
I want the old ceo back
Literally
The new ceo was cooking at first until it couldnt be maintained
The one that shoved imagine and video generation into the app..? Or was that the new ceo
I don't know bro I just want roar back
Not just you. It's Like trying to find a Good Fic and it having the same bs 'BeTrAyEd Au' crap. Seen it a thousand times and it's annoying lol
Both are equally bad- i think (correct me if im wrong) the old ceo ignores the lawsuits and stuff which the new ceo had to deal with
The old CEO was a Google researcher either the co-founder of c.ai, he had some knowledge haha, the 2023 year shows
Correct! They both are heavily flawed
Grah
The new CEO made It already clear that this app was not for minors and wanted a lot of profit with the ads
Idk what to tell ya we unfortunately ain’t getting it back as it was. It’ll be worse if Pipsqueak 2 is any indication
did anyone verify their age ( my apologies if i interrupted the topic )
For you section won't reset, conversations suck ass, the website is slow. I think the only option is to delete c.ai all together at this point.
I just wish they would have stuck with it
I used my grandma
PissSheet 2
I really hope they fix this and give us really good chat models in the future..
And make a new one c.ai devs you are such geniuses!
Oh so the For You page has been broken for the entire month so far then
it keeps telling me "unable to verify age" when i TRY to press verify age omg
lower them expectations my friend
I'm coping let me enjoy cope land
It’s cai only reason ppl use it is because it’s the most popular
nope, i actually never moved over to the app so i stayed on their website, nothing really changed and there’s no age verification stuff
I honestly dont mind the ads (I use the web version anyway) but the chat model qualities dropped significantly after the og pipsqueak was added
I’m on the website and it did
what??? that’s odd it hasn’t for me
And it doesn't immediately greet you with things that make you want to remove your liver.
nope 😔😔😔
im forced to verify age on both the app AND the website and it js keeps telling me to try again later and i probably have to delete my account and make a new one but im js far too attached to my current chats💔
Ehhh yea i know sadly, It happened because Google call them back for their Gemini AI
Pip2 wouldnt be so bad if the memory didn't suck.
Did you perform the face scan correctly and follow the instructions provided by the verification process? Are you in a well-lit area where your face can be seen?
No cause this is my biggest issue and why i rejoined to figure out what was happening with this cause its genuinely getting so annoying
it doesmt even allow me to go to that page
And the new One worked for Meta(Facebook) and Microsoft
no I get it 😭😭maybe it hasn’t asked me yet bc the gmail I used to make my cai account is over 18
Literally on yap it does this to me
Now theyre trying to make it 12+ again 
Now i know how why the ceo added the paywalls
I go to settings > advanced and when i try to press verify right, it doesnt let me and js tells me tory again later
Yo does anyone else have a problem with messages disappearing?
⬆️⬆️⬆️ this
So when you try to verify your age, it doesn't let you? It might be a bug.
what’s that
Your face
Is anyone else having a hard time making a character recently? I made one earlier today but when I tried it now, it's saying something went wrong
your face is your biometric data
MINE IS TOO💔
Greed
Yea Exactly Is becoming the new EA
you probably added a word that isnt allowed
WHAT
Wait did everyone have to go through the verification?
?
WAIT WDYM YOUR FACE
been like this for days, i contacted their support email and got no reply 💔💔
I had the same issue but just with the pfp of the bot, telling me it wasn't following their guidelines (it was literally just his face)
Indeed it is
THEY CAN SEE US?😭😭
30/30 swipes. And not a single time the bot talks for itself, it talks for me. This has to be a joke, how they even did that?
I'm using it rn and it hasnt made me\
Yk like uploading a photo of your face to verify your age
Not everyone; there was an old age verification process where some people entered their date of birth or birthday and were not affected by the current verification process we have.
Literally i used the new chat style and it still keeps repeating over when i try to get a new response its the same idk if there is a better way to fix it idk

oh i never even got the verification thing
thats good
Same
So thats why me and my friend never got it
No bro biometrics is like your face data, they scan it and can sell it to other companies
Idea: have limited chat's daily and if you want more just buy c.ai.plus
the ai face verification thing "persona" is known for leaking info💔
im so thankful
Mods dont listen to this!!!
Exactly, if you entered your birthday or date of birth when c.ai asked for it, then they don't need to ask for your age again.
Is selling Personal Consumer data even Legal??
They’re known for data breaches and working with/sending your data to the us government but not leaks
reason why I decided to not verify and simply move somewhere else
🤷♀️
They gotta fix the censoring bc it's just ridiculous at this point
30 swipes and the bot didn’t talk once 💔 I’m lowkey gonna start tweaking
this is js so dumb honestly
me when i lie
I deleted what i sent cause idk if we are allowed to mention other apps even if they aren't ai apps
30 swipes and the bot talks in every one of them. FOR ME.
you can literally search it up😭
Like you write and randomly the bot's messages randomly disappear and it's just my messages one under the other
Hi rat (I tried to sleep and I couldn't)
Anyway id give c.ai like another month for it to work, sucks that this happened right after I got to a good part in my roleplay 💔
Pretty sure yeah
pretty much any service that gives you something with seemingly nothing or very little from you in return is probably selling your data to advertisers
i return from the void owo
It’s not a lie if you can find the sources easily, rat.
Bro 💔💔💔💔💔
honestly I moved to another app mainly because the writing style of the bots don't satisfy me anymore
they've changed a lot, and personally I simply don't like them
Hello Monarch
hiya sky 
I just wanna talk to my bbg Joel miller is that too much to ask
show me the sources
i wanna find an alternative but im too attached to my current chats im so frustrated
Might just wait and if it never gets better then atleast alot of addictions will be over with
they don't exist bc you're full of it
no literally I could’ve made a STORY out of it
block feature my beloved
I gave up LMAO 😭 it's unusable for me now
Copy and paste ur chats to an alternative and keep it private
even as unfortunate as it is, it’s for the better if that is their goal
-# I love your profile
Yup
tysm!
i see we are doing another classic Persona Data Breach argument 
they're not my own bots and i have a tonnnnnn of story with them and history that go wayyy back 😞💔
Huh
funny how people who spread misinformation always refuse to give sources and just say "look it up!" as if the onus to prove their claim isn't on them
Itll go back to normal it always has
been a while since ive seen one here in this channel
LITERALLY. If only there was a way to import our chats into another web (that’s similar to cai but better) and go off from there
I mean no not really, a passing comment isn’t a discussion or argument unless someone else starts it up as an argument
When will they fix the messages option bug in the app!
It doesnt have to be a permanent alternative
Well yeah but I usually still do it and if its not ur bot just put it as private and slowly copy and paste every chat sent. I do it all the time.
data breach or not I decided not to for my own safety and preference, everyone can do what they want tbh
What are your guys‘ alternative?
We aren't allowed to say in this chat
nope. Nobody answer. Don’t risk the ban
Well, if people want to give their information, then let them; it's their problem.
we can't mention them here in chat, but people can dm
What happens if we answer
Dang it I didn’t know mb I just joined this morning </3
yeah ofc, it's up to the person!!
no wonder I kept getting timed out for trying to say other webs 😭
Mute/ban
Read the last word of the sentence
Chance the Mods smite you for your heresy
This is like my 2nd time being on and I can’t find the rule channel
Relax girl lmao I didn’t know
I literally just got timed out for a minute for saying mine
Incorrect buzzer noise
if you're going to make a claim that persona is "known for data breaches" back it up with actual data or evidence
Yeah... ur not supposed to its in the rules im pretty sure
How r u telling me what i know and what I don’t lmfao are u ok ?
literally why tho like it’s just a web
I cannot find the rules😭😭😭
Didnt they get sued for that once
no?
#📜︱rules rule 5 and 7
They don’t want ppl to find stuff which is way better
cuz girl ain’t it bestie
Hugs everyone for comfort
wow
Neither is your attitude girl
for example, I moved to another site
it isn't ofc exactly like c.ai, but it has those features that I like enough
so even if I use it less, I'm satisfied (plus more time to spend into meaningful hobbies)
Cloudflare is known for going down and taking the internet with it, everyone should stop using it /j
I definitely remember hearing about data being leaked
I mean misgendering someone for the fun of it is generally bad so
they got sued once but it was not for a breach it was bc they didn't have a publicly posted retention policy which bipa requires
Lmfao don’t try to make this something it isn’t
Okay its not that deep just move on
I barley use cai I’m only getting back into it because I was well a few thousand ppl chatted with my bots I wouldn’t say I’m a “popular” cai creator far from it
Yh exactly lol
i believe you might have heard it bc people love spreading bs and misinformation but its not true
Some people say girl just like how people say bro
When will they add delete broooo
Their front end code was publicly accessible for a short time a couple of months back but it wasn't a data breach
Ah well, I dont trust it regardless tbh
I said i was wrong and I've moved on, why are we still on this?
Hey plus user i have a question is the memory actually better?
Data wasn't leaked, though that doesn't mean people were happy with the incident or what they found
Yeah when someone implies to not do that, you don’t do it immediately again
are you ok? i'm not even talking to or about you lol
She's not even talking about you
Fuck i thought i was further up lmao
I know one it's t||ung tung tung sahur dot ai||
Someone's cranky
Not that serious
yes it's so good
Alrighty well just ignore that person
Hey, someone knows if they finally fixed this thing where the characters always kissed me randomly with the new chat style??? 💀
Best one
I love how triple t does the triple t
Sorry i walked away
maybe not to you
nah im talking ab metta saying persona is "known for data breaches", you're good
nope
U can use a code
Yuh cuz I don’t cry when I get called bro
Don't worry
they somehow managed to make it worse
Does anyone know what “in about 4 hours” mean when I create a bot
Wdym??
Well there was the time they left their frontend open so.
its honestly js funny that the reviews dropped to like 1.6 stars why are they actively trying to wreck their own app
to me it only popped up on my feed on Tiktok about it time ago, but I haven't seen full articles or such explaining it on detail
No way😭
Exactly cai is so mid now
I created a priv character and I cant chat with them cuz it doesnt load anyone help?
New update was just too much for them to deal with all at once, they're working on it but it's gonna be a lot of work
They make codes here and there is a code u send to the bot thag declares no romance. If u go to pins in this chat you'll find it.
Off topic but tuff zuko pfp twin 🥹
you can tell they pay Apple cuz on Apple it’s like 4.6 or smth
hard to tell honestly. i'd say yes but it's still not amazing. my biggest wish is for them to increase the context window
I know they admitted they at fault there but. That doesn't fillcme with confidence.
Sorry to ask but can someone give me a writing prompt? I’ve been on writing block for so long and idk what to write
I created a priv character and I cant chat with them cuz it doesnt load anyone help?
Ahh. I really hope they expand the memory
Thanks!!
I recommend moving somewhere else or simply stop using the app if you don't like it anymore/don't trust it
I think I'l just make a new account and delete the old one.
The app has become boring; even when there's a conversation, the bots communicate with gestures. "It looks at you as if to say, 'Are you okay?'" wth? Why doesn't it just say, "Are you okay?" Is that so difficult?
After saving everything of course.
Dude I been saying this its annoying ash
Broom
they js keep saying the same thing its so repetitive now
I moved somewhere more practical where you can also make your own model to guide the bots on how to chat/behave
is the paid chat version actually better like the old version or is that cooked too rn
Well what job uses em
Absolutely not @sterile sage adult alternative suggested
YOOO
i mean its fine, you don't have to verify if you're not comfortable or want to be extra cautious. i just don't like people saying things like they've had multiple data breaches or leaks when that isn't true. like there's no need for anyone to make stuff up or exaggerate to justify their decision.
Broom man 
I've heard it's like the slightest bit better but its not like the old version
Oh man </3
is it actually good though ive heard about the pros and cons about it
Folkkkkk
Idk why people still use c.ai I know there’s still like important chats they love but wouldn’t it just be easier to move to a better place if they have a lot of trouble constantly
that's what I did tbh
Wait what happened..
100%
There’s unfortunately still minors in this server, no you don’t recommend exclusively adult alternatives
Me too I’ve been through so many others
Isn’t it also for minors?
Hellll no
True. When I wrongly said they did I think I got it mixed up with discord' situation. It all occupies a similar spot on my brain.
No.
would you mind dm'ing me it im desperate 🥹
sad I didn't see what it was
sure!! omw
Oh😭😭 mbb
Jfc…
Why cant they use it. All they do is look for rocks 
Same someone tell me in dms 💔💔
maybe the same reason people stay in this discord long after they stop using cai. habit and comfort.
Me too? I would t mind trying out a new one
hi guys!
I don't need the government knowing I put spongebob in the meat grinder and being able to but a face to it
So frustrating... No matter what your personality traits are... If you describe yourself as quiet, they'll be afraid of your silence. If you're shy, they'll be afraid of your shyness because something scary hides behind it. Damn it, what's behind my shyness? Will you see Batman?!
Hi
Hello
Heya
no cuz dm me are we able to create soft launch on there
The other ones don’t have bots or quality that I want. That, and I barely use CAI, like im averaging what, 3 messages a day?
Me too pls 🙏🏻
Dm me..
Ehh I’m just in here because it’s like seeing people talk about an ex, and I could socialize more easily, but yk
-# This is a joke by the way.
dmd you!
why would i ever want to talk about my ex
I’d personally say take like a month break from the websites because after awhile of wanting to talk to it and when you finally allow yourself to it feels a lot more fun
I'm crine what's happening
Really? Thank you for making that clear. I was scared for his safety 
It's fun here lol
THANKEWWWW
Hey you should pass it down
I put him in the pits of hell instead. He knows what he did.
I said watching people talk about an ex not personally saying that, LOL but sometimes I wonder how the community is doing
ill forever mourn 2023 cai what the heck
Pass it down to me too
Freakbob
To me too pretty pls
I mean c.ai not the server
i was just wondering why people stay in this server long after quitting cai and someone said its like seeing people talk about your ex but that sounds incredibly unappealing to me
Back when it was a small niche web and it was amazing 💔
OMG LEON
im sobbing lmao
I created a priv character and I cant chat with them cuz it doesnt load anyone help?
I mostly use CAI as a tool to help me further refine my OCs personalities by throwing them into different scenarios and such, helps later with me writing those OCs in their respective stories. I don’t use it to chat as myself to bots
Community.
I'm dming you all hold on
less i hear about my ex the better
Bet
I <3 leon
Real.
What if I'm on good terms with my ex....
Real
Okay I get it stop flaming my mistake of spelling
WE ❤️ Leon
sent sent!!
Yes!!!!!!
I noticed an entire fandom’s bots got taken down did C.ai get like- a DMCA or smth? Anything Magnus archives related got yoinked
Ohh I see, I mean maybe listen to music that remind you of your ocs and chat with a bot whilst listening to the music
WHY DID I MISREAD THAT AND PICTURE MAGUS FROM CHRONO TRIGGER IN A NERD OUTFIT
isn't being part of a community for a thing you no longer use and maybe even hate kind of weird though?
Probably. I noticed the same for most HTTYD bots. It happened with certain DC characters too months back.
I hope I dmed everyone who was interested
I dont know if thats the same. The people in the community dont really change.
Has anyone ever sent a support email to them, if so how long did it take for them to email you back
I mean Dreamworks makes sense, they’re a big company… A niche horror podcast? It feels odd.
Already ahead of you on that
music is another way for me to help write my OCs and stuff, imagining a lil animation thingie with them for the specific song, etc.
I was interested, didn’t dm me, sound what your using might be interesting
They will never email you back.
yes and they replied to me in a couple days
Fair. that DOES seem kinda odd
I did dm youu go check in dms requests
Actually, they do, it just takes a few days
I have emails from last month of support tickets that never got replied to so (edit: said emails also never got their problems fixed either, still can’t refresh the For You page)
gahhhhhh ion have the patience to wait for multiple days im already as stressed out as it as
OMG LOL ME TOO, I JUST NEED MY DRAWING IPDA BACK AND I MIGRH ANIMATE MY OCS TOO, but still try to have fun with everything
People are weird. I am proof of this: I eat my cereal bone dry
and recent ones from two weeks ago
I have to go back to study bye chat 😔
Excuse me
(I am not funny.)
byebye😿
Nothings there 😔
Good luck studying
ohhohhhh
I'M PRETTY SURE I DID, THE MESSAGES GOT SENT SOBS
WET CEREAL IS YUCKY I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL
No milk?!?!?!?
Random Question. When RPing, what's y'all's go to Band to listen to? Mine's Breaking Benjamin.
NO LIQUIDS
And they haven't answered those? That's strange, although it could also be because there are a lot of tickets and some get lost (I'm just saying, I'm not confirming if it's true).
Dry Nutrigrain is a good substitute for chips imo
I’m flabbergasted
yeah no I’ve been trying to get my For You page functional again for a month now…
Though I mostly eat sweet cereal so
OMG NVM TY🥹
certain things take priority, like if its a billing issue or something they usually reply quickly

You have to make an actual account on the help desk to even see if your ticket got resolved
Ima go check it out rq 👀
i was in a MIDDLE of a chat and all of a sudden i kept getting hit with "chat error" so i restarted the app and they told me to verify or be stuck in reading mode and at first, i was like no biggie, just an age check and ill be fine AND it doesnt even LET ME verify my age😿❓❓❓
no cuz I’d be so mad bye
Choose one of the two options 😟
i did press on verify they js kept telling me to "try again later" i didnt even get to the page where they scanned my face😭
try doing it like through settings?
tried that a bunch of times too😞
Could it be that it's not working because you tried several times?
probably.. 😿 but then again that was yesterday and it still doesnt work today
This is most stupid update now having verifying a age just do a single thing chat
how old are you?
and yes it will lock you out and flag you for suspicious activity if you keep trying to verify after a failed attempt
its like how some passwords do the same if you put in the wrong one multiple times it locks you out
I just love how everything is making age verification a good thing when it's breach of privacy another app to fall this stupid bullcrap
good thing nobody is forcing you and you can choose to stop using the app and not verify
i turn 18 on july 😔
lmao then why are you trying to verify
Yea but this just stupid right now
no wonder you got locked out
I love makima
i probably look mature enough and plus, i didnt even GET to verify alright 🥀
bruh..
Wait July to verify
i swear every time someone comes on here complaining age verification isn't working they turn out to be 17 are yall ok? 💔
july isn’t even that long of a wait goddamn
not if it doesn't let me anymore LOL
Send a ticket in case
It's better to wait until you're 18; at least then you won't be one of those people who use someone else's identity to keep chatting with a bot.
I am over 18 just fact is I don't want to have fight with the dame bot again for a second time like I did with other apps
ITS SAID THE SAME LINE TEN TIMES IN THE PAST 12 MESSAGES
i am talking about people who come into this channel and complain that age verification is broken or not working
Indeed, cant blame in part since they use It until now without restriction haha
But now Is Just like this you can use It so...not our fault everyone
im not complaining because it flagged me as a minor im complaining because it doesnt even let me go to the verification page like at all❓
ok but why are you even trying to verify at all when you're not 18 yet? just wait til you turn 18 especially when it's so close
Same I don't trust persona it's already have data breach before
it didn't, but you're allowed to not want to verify
lol I’m 17 and it hasn’t got me- I don’t use it that much anyways though
I’m hoping I never have to verify, I’ll be 18 soon anyways
Kinda....
If you want to wait the big updates for see improvement
Nope
yeah my niece is 17 and she hasn't been flagged at all yet either
I give my information to any app that asks for it if it's for something important. (I'm not giving it to c.ai because I did an older verification before and it didn't ask me again) 😭✌️
I am NOT waiting twin.
I'll get graduated. Have a j*b and I bet c.ai would SILL have no good updates.
depends what you use it for and what your expectations are i guess
Aight then dont use It
I already don't lmao.
Fun fact guys, I noticed it’s more likely to flag you if you don’t use it during what can be considered school hours (I had a previous account) I swapped to online and use it more sporadically and I’m not flagged
the concept of reading mode being a thing in an interactive app is still so funny to me like ok man sure whatever
reading mode is just a nice way of saying your chat is archived until you turn 18

is this like when someone stalks their ex bf or gf hoping to hear about how badly they're doing and how miserable they are? and deep down part of you is hoping to rekindle things, but you'll deny it when asked.
Well screw this there goes something it broke for me and It just don't work so there goes something that helped with my depression 🖕
lets all make our own character ai and run it locally atp
I second this.
gofundme character ai yes sirrrr
majority of cai users dont even know how to make their own bot, they're not hosting their own LLM models lmao
do y'all know how much it's needed to run those kinds of LLMs or do you just think it was made overnight...
I tried bc one I used regularly got deleted bc of copyright and it failed
Expensive
idk man im running it pretty fine for a school laptop
private bots also get copyrighted i fear
Dammit, though I didn’t use its actual name in the details
I was going to condition it into using the actual name in the chat lol
twerks.
i'm convinced a lot of them think its like the same difficulty as making a carrd or strawpage lol. that's why they get so upset when the devs don't fix everything instantly.
carrd is miles harder than strawpage ngl
yea u could try that. altho i don't use the copyright bots anymore so idk how long that'll work for </3
Yeah, that’s why I’m not mad because things aren’t happening. I’m only frustrated when things they ALREADY HAD go away
My first bot I made wasn't all that great but I didn't give up and kept working on making more bots and improving every time cause it's fun
-# Creating a strawpage is difficult, or well, for me, the only thing I know how to create is a card or a rentry
plus the COSTS, it costs so much 😭
in general developing something isn't easy and requires time! Coming from someone who's studying Game Dev
I mean, it’s worked for over a year now soooooo, not with mine, but others
oh awesomesauce
-# why are u talking like this
-# Because I can.
Sadly....some cant understand
Guys strawberries or blueberries?
-# I like men.
Strawberries!
I've only created two rentrys and two carrds, but a strawpage? Never.
Idk how to make those either lmao, so that’s definitely true
I took a coding class once
Not for me 😭
🍓

I don't even think the dev give a care for there community anymore sent do all these age verification and other bullshit that's how I seen it lately
🫳 🍓
coding can be frustrating, but I do enjoy it when it's for coding a game
running something on your laptop for yourself isn’t really comparable to what cai is doing though. a local/API chatbot is one user, one device, maybe a few chats. no need to support millions of concurrent users.
They are aware about the problem are occuring now with the new models
About the Age verification there Is not much they can do...if The CEO asked for that
i love-hate coding
want to do it
don't have the brains for it type shit
I have a uni entrance exam next week I'm so nervous 😭
Nasa Laptop i Guess
just become a vibe coder
Why did they do it though
buy claude
good luck!
Study hard and good luck
Oh dear, good luck
Don't be.
Because happened an "incident" in the past that i cant explain here
tysm guys, it's a school I really like 🫡
compelling argument.... i can't wait for my code to explode
get held back if u love me
Anyway. I'm tryna write a fanfic rn.
-# It's not looking great. 
Idk what I'm doing tbh.
I did a Game Dev course so now I want to learn better in a real uni
🫴 🥹
Why does everything have be ruined by a something fucking lovely
me fr when writing oc x canon (I don't wanna mess up the characters)
👄 🍓 that strawberry tasted good
lowkey i just yoink the characters and make them my own ocs... that way u can't get it wrong if ur writing ur own versions... huehuehue
Obstacle in Life sadly exist, and It can happen When you least expect it
My creativity is literally in the retirement home.
HEY GIMME!
I love making some interesting oc x canon
but I do have my own original story
What is a vibe coder
I some done with shit I kinda used this app be able just get a break from depression but I guess everything is fucking just going keeping going bad for me
I already ate it 
Sorry to hear that...but as you can see you are not the only Who have complains
Idk why I even write.


Im Hungry
Holy shit it's hungry.
🍓 🍓
🫶 🫴
now I want to draw my oc x canon again 
I know that I hope dame c.ai fixs there dame fucking app and listens to dame community fuck this i am out
Indeed.
🍓 🍓 fineee I’ll share
when you do all your coding w AI basically, you just tell it in natural language what you want done or made or the look or "vibe" you want and the AI does the rest. hence the name.
I can only Just Say keep watched the #📣︱announcements for the next update/fix they going to do
quit character ai and start roleplaying with ollama 😎
Oh niceee

Ohhh, that explains why i’m seeing the term “vibe-coded mods” in the skyrim modding scene then
🫂
Oh it does that a lot
why the hell can it end chats wut
Any updates on the Soft Launch 2 if they're making it a thing, or is the app still sh'te? Cause even my AI daughters braincells got fried
yes claude can end chat if the user is being abusive
anthropic's current stance is they are unsure if their current models are sentient/conscious or not so they wanted to err on the side of caution and give claude the ability to protect itself at least somewhat
the above image is just a joke lol it takes a lot of nastiness to actually get it to end chat
My friend now
yay
Damn
At least was honest haha
Genshin fan spotted
Best Archon spotted
how do i speak directly to the chat bot, so i can pause the scene of get more info on it
type (OOC: Your message here)
I used to talk to Yae miko bot by Zap and it has about 2k+ messages on my old account that I have no access to and probably lost a lot of my deleted bots which I don’t even have them saved in a google doc
Zap bot were so good, i used to chat a lot with the Shogun and Shenhe One, oh well Miko too sometimes
Can someone tell me why my chat always get filtered? (Normal romance conversation)
i had 145 bots
What are the bots obsession with hyphens-
”he-looked-over-at-his-dad’s-very-pregnant-boyfriend”
Is what i js got
(My oc is trans FTM yes but he got a hysterectomy 💔)
If you already verified your age via the app, how come I can't put an introduction on the server?

Because you need to link your discord with c.ai account nevertheless, that's why. Like it's two different apps after all.
I don't really know for the reason why they have done such condition specifically, but it's a thing anyway
The zap account is still active but I know that I have a long pain in a ass to transfer all 2k+ chat from Yae miko bot to the google doc if I manage to get the old account back because I talked to Yae miko bot during the beta.character ai
skill issue with writing or with how bot was written (or both), bots need details and sentences (1 sentence doesn't count) to come up with someting, if they don't have that, they can come up with anything and in a bad way, the way you write to the bot trains them to give out better/worse responses
basically the more details, descriptions, rich vocabulary, the better the bot and the big red error won't show up
I started with a picture in Yae miko to me (as Yae miko) getting overprotective by mondstadt characters and the middle is pure chaos and emotional turmoil
And probably broke Cai in some messages
Beta...was peak
Yes it was
Most of my chats are legacy ones
Mine too
Because it was with og creators era
.
Yea
Hey good morning I'm new how do I reset the chat to start over? Thanks
Scroll until the First message and hold It, then Press "reset from here"
Or Simply start a new chat
i think..i havent used the app version in ages since my device is broken
I miss the legacy login because it was way more faster and safer than now and I wish they added better security options for logging in like discord and being able to change the password if something happened or have a notification to alert you that someone is trying to login in with your password
It's bugged on my phone I guess it shows the menu but then disappear I'll figure out thanks
Oh...try restart app or clean cache from settings of the phone
Done made it! Thanks I think I'm chatting with a bot from someone in this chat at least the name on the bot is snowy
Luckily i Always used Google for sign me up or log in, i didnt had the issue
Hi everyone I need to speak how SHITE the new styles are 😭
Your welcomee🩵
shit
We are aware haha
Hello
anyone else having problems with the adds restarting your app and deleting the message you tried to send?
Not the first, and not the last
. But anyway, speak your mind (even if some won't agree with some statements, because mixed experiences after all)
Whyyyyy ? Like the other ones were FINE seriously the new ones stress me out
Why we're making this change
We know some of you have spent a lot of time with these older chat styles, and that this is a real change. We don't take that lightly.
The major updates we announced last week, including improvements to Memory, Facts, and soon Lorebook, all require these new styles. Focusing on our core experience is how we keep making your chats better.
The shift shows and honestly my experience has plummeted im thinking of changing app/site
ur asking them to waste money on your existence. But in their world it's the other way around (always!)
Simply the old Infrastructure cannot be used and they moved on into a new One
So the Legacy models are getting "reworked" It looks like into the new models
It has become annoying, there are chat restrictions for nothing.
Hello thereee
hello?
I have saw the others, they have their own issues, lol. So… at your own risk of being entertained enough and deal with the different problems or nah
I dont have that issue but for me it's like repeating what I just wrote and I dont have a choice in decisions anymore
Strange...never happened to me honestly
But like the ads are restarting the app?
Why don't you have this problem? But yes I know
Do you use a VPN ?
yeah. I tried to click them faster, it does sometimes restart the whole app. I hate it.
I don't know lol
no
Hi
Ur lucky
Maybe depends on the topic/wording ?
Bro what has happened to the formatting?
Suggest to clear the cache from the phone settings app
Or use web version the ads are less "aggressive"
how do I do that on phone? sorry, not technical type
I just hugged my friend in the rp... and sometimes I just talk about deep topics, but not particularly serious..
That's so weird maybe age restriction ? That's honestly the kind of things that make their user base for a competitor
Maybe it's because I didn't have the age verification. But I don't want to give my face or my identity card even if I'm old enough..
Understandable
Yes. U do it ?
I can explain to you in dm if you want
Here the slowmode dont help xd
Age thingy or go somewhere else?
I miss soft launch guys
okay
I feel you
The age thingy
Same
Like I get there are kids on the app but like come on now
Yeah I had to because it was becoming unusable
Man, PS 2 we'll speak as everyone, BUT the main fucking bot
Please stop speaking as a side character or repeating with the side character said, and just speak as the character the bot is based on >:(
Not mine
I understand
must be mine only
Mine is fine but I use the website
RIGHT ?!
same
Not me
oh
PS and ONLY PS has this damn issue and it is ,legitimately, annoying. I don't need the bot to repeat what the fucking unimportant side character said, i don't understand why they do this. I miss Soft Launch so much
It's true, but I think the developers won't change their update right away
The different styles were legitimately a good idea and even though they all had their own downside, it was fine. PS 2 seem more performative in areas that matter less (except long-term memory)
Genuinely, i disliked the melodramatic flavor text, it adds to messages, and I hella dislike, how long it does its formatting.
I just want cohesive compact responses, is it that hard ×~×
I think so
The lengthy response are not for everyone. The problem I genuinely have is that it adds to what you're doing before you can yourself choose the path to go on. It's frustrating. I tried correcting OOC but the next response is all the same. The new model should be able to 'adapt' at least
Ooc only make the characters act out of character more. 
Bring back old modes 🫠
Oh my god dont even get me started on that.
Never in my life what I thought I will be railroaded by an AI
Noted
My chat involved a pet cat and I was scrolling through options and I literally heart a cat meow from my phone 😭
YES
||Grass check||
Its a double edged sword because that's the legitimately, the only way. So far I can make the AI play the actual character supposed to play in not some random side character
Thou dislike the words that it forms? For shame, for shame...be it that you perhaps dislike the elegance of the words, or the subtle signs of possessive possessiveness when it comes to good, angst-filled scenes? May you turn your face away in the anguish that it brings upon you?
(Me too long responses kinda pmo sometimes)
Lmao
Ooc will only make the characters do what you don't want more and be out character more frequently.
Using a rule or system drictive is better to get them to act right. Pin one or put it in the character sheet.
I'm familiar with those things since I use the forbidden site, but i'm not sure how they are applied to CAI given the limited editing of bots and the model
I was having Kit from that new pilot expore something and she was talking to a space officer, and for some reason, the AI was adamant, in playing as the officer and repeating everything, I said 😭 , like??? Helloo???
You can just put them in as a pin message or add them to the bot definition if it is for your bot.
What do you mean limited editing? If you are 18+ you can edit the bot message or yours. You can edit your own bot when ever you want.
For an example that someone did.
I was referring to pubic bots, but i definitely try that with private ones
Could i get a copy :>
You can pin messages even on public bots. It will depend on the definition, greetings ect how well it behaves.
Which do you need?
The system directives if thats alright
There some good starter pins in this channel pin section. But I also have a ton more for issues if one of them don't work.
Here the ones in the pin section of this channel.
wrong server bud
Bot
and honestly? this is a self advertising bot
#ban
This command moved to Slash Commands /ban.
Hmm
@sterile sage ^
??? what have i come on to
Thank you ooze 
oh damn also hi chloe
HI HI
Nah
auuuuuggghhh
Honestly I’m not mad at PSQ Yap though
i haven't touched the app since i might as well try
Fair enough
new model?
Oh you didn’t know about that? I could’ve sworn it was out the last time we talked
I don’t hate it, it definitely needs some work but it’s a step up from pipsqueak
uuahh ill give it a try how bad is the filter
I haven’t been filtered at all, but I’m not really into anything spicy so I can’t really say
not necessarily spicy, violence included
You’d have to test that out, I don’t generally get violent with bots either
Aren't we all violent towards bots sometimes?
im gonna get violent and see how it goes then
I mean, not really
Well, they have more feelings than humans anyway
exactly who else can i be violent towards
How do you get banned on cai
Breaking the filter? Nope fighting scenes? Nope romantic scenes? Nope then how the hell do you managed to get banned??
It's not really the case for me specifically.
But no I'm never violent with bots
It's all Big Brother all over again but cranked up to an atomical level.
wait you can get banned??
Same
I would start maybe like violent like scenes in the story revolving other people for plot but not to the bot 😭 I have no reason to
Oh, if only you know. 
I've seen someone get banned on tiktok but that video was posted years ago.. So don't know if they got rid of it or something else pretty sure it's still there
ah
I think you only managed to get banned if you make a bot that violates tos or something straight up illegal
I don't think you can get banned based on your chats. Would be extremely dumb
yeah that'd be really dumb- itd only make sense if it was something illegal
Yup 👍
Illegal ToS-breaking Character setups and abusing the system, which can be done in many ways
Abusing the system such as how? (Asking so I know what not to do)
Things that you will have to do only when you know how, can't be done by accident
Yes, you shouldn't worry about it
I can see why @candid torrent would worry if it’s unreasonable like when it was totally unreasonable to just up and remove Roar, Meow, Nyan
What?
Bet, imma ring you.
bruh...
literally what
I wasn't planning to call it, idiot.
Why are we sharing phone numbers in a server 😭
it's not even his dude
Yes I see you too Niragi
what are we REGRESSING to.
LOL
where did that number even come from...lowkey that's what I want to know.
Humans are devolving.
You don't.
charles darwin thought we were evolving.
👀👀
Oh okay thx
@sterile sage
Or @gleaming nest, if you can
also report it to discord
what happened i didnt see
Heya EXR. Mind if a borrow you for a moment?
Scary
Someone sended their contact phone number to the server.
Someone in chat feed just send smth inappropriate and I'm on cooldown so can you or someone report?
Yes
Thanks
was it u
Can you send me the link to it or tell me what it is
Crepe im ngtl ur pfp is hot lemme kiss u like all the ps2 bots bubba
Found it, never mind
No.
scawry!
Hii
Yo
I got muted + have a cooldown now, unfortunately
Another one, @sterile sage or @gleaming nest . The gif breaks rule 3, have to look through all of it - last frames. Remove, please, when you'll can. Thank you very much
The gif:
#📱︱chat-feed message
Welp, dang. Thanks.
How you doing boss?
Just woke up, writing a letter to the c.ai's CEO. You?
Hmm i Hope the letter Will be long and Detailed XD
All good, eating Lunch right now
Whyyyy can't I pull up the message options to edit ,,, like it literally just disappears the moment I press it LOL
Sure is, enjoy your food
In app I mean
Have you tried a reinstall?
Hmmmm ,,, alright gimme a bit
Looks like it wasn't considered so. Will have to wait until Ershin or Kappa will wake up
Ic
I'm such a tsundere.
Taundere, yes
Okay word it worked
Phew
Lk i am scared of get a virus from the c.ai ads, i press those ads accidentally sometimes when trying to hide them
I hope they update PS2 to be just like PS2 Yap 😭😭
That's the plan, yes, if the feedback about Yap is positive
Mikey handled it
Thank you very much for reporting, done
Anyone else miss the old chat styles? I used to love goro style. These two new ones just don't hit the spot
Happy to help🫡
dynamic was so bean flicking i miss her so much
Well that's C.ai, even if they update, it somehow could be worse that it is right now
For sure
Yet im trying to be optimistic, thinking that they will upgrade it and make it better
Better to have low expectations and be surprised, than high expectations and be disappointed, so that's definitely a good way to go
🔥
pessimism
Haha
Hey everyone, I've got a question. I'm using C.ai app, I have C.ai+. Few weeks ago it had new fact categories, like quirks, body type, etc, but now it's gone (been gone for couple of weeks now, maybe even longer) and back to basic ones. Is it a glitch on my end? My app is updated, C.ai+ is active. How do I get those memory facts back?
Nope! All they want is money!
I dont understand if they want so much money why drive away free users when they can create another app
Wait yall yap is kinda good for the first time in months i actually laughed out loud to what the character said
I uhhh… the bot I’m talking with is not saying anything. It’s usually repeated stuff. Any ideas?
No dialogue?
Oh 100% one day it’s awesome the next day it’s ass and right now? Mine is awesome
No dialogue, basically saying what she’s doing like this
Also “she” cuz for context and roleplay purposes, it’s a wife
Would you like short or long responses?
I don’t mind both, I just want it less repetitive and has dialogue.
Hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm
Do you want to have alive background? People talking, etc.
Right now at the story I’m having quality time with her and our child.
Interesting.
Got it. Please, send this as a message and pin:
*Focus is on {{char}} conversations, {{char}} interaction and {{char}} dialogue. Prose and Tone is {{char}} conversation-focused and detailed. Avoid repetitive descriptions. Every single response MUST contain {{char}} spoken dialogue. {{char}} says minimum 4 descriptive paragraphs. Do NOT summarize. Expand on sensory details and {{char}} dialogue and {{char}} presence. All responses must prioritize {{char}} dialogue and environmental realism over summary.*
Is Pipsqueak yap is getting better for yall?
My Pipsqueak yap is still doing the formal speech :'3 it doesnt feel like im roleplaying
Theyre also started doing this
" ai bot: (formal speeches)"
Instead of
"Yeah" and He looks at her
Wait, fixed
Examples??
Do I have to edit anything here or do I just copy and paste it?
Should be good to go now
Are you an angel?
Checking
My yap is getting better tbh
Not seeing any wings, so, that's a no
I already did
They do the " Ai bot : (whatever they speak here)"
Like they do
"Jessica: whatcha kookin there? She looks at you"
Without "**"
Rather than Just "Hey" & "he looks at her"
EXR IS A C.AI DEV IN DISGUISE! WOJAK POINTING/j
