💭︱cai-discussion

[royal badge]

It's not a new bug I think, it always happens to me, and I need to restart the app, and it LAGS

[sullen axle]

I restart my bot chat

[ornate cosmos]

Warzone vut like if all the worst people decided to be there.

Again, some subredditd are fine. Most are so toxic ifs crazy

[royal badge]

Don't give ideas, STOP IT

[surreal cove]

call, stickers, uhmm ai image generation stuff, the "you're not alone thing" idk

[hollow zephyr]

w the whole metering thing, are they limiting the amount of swipes and stuff or what

[sullen axle]

Restarting my chat sometimes works

[sharp token]

roblox and c.ai collab 💔

[zinc pulsar]

Just a general question for everyone but do you use rather pipsqueak or some of the older models?
Because Ei feel pipsqueak is real deranged sometimes-

[gusty geyser]

the ability to change the chat backgrounds

Thats all Id really say

[ornate cosmos]

Call, stickers, charms/any paywall, those weird videos

[kindred marten]

The app always crashes out for some reason 😑
They don't like there mobile users

[sharp token]

back when c.ai didnt have models

[astral condor]

it needs to be like this core four > chat > chat styles > persona > voices > and then the features are just mini features inside of those big core u know?

[zinc pulsar]

I never use the app anyway, only app version lmao

[surreal cove]

you make it sound like once I breathe there I'd get attacked for even existing
LMAO

[royal badge]

They have favorites

[zinc birch]

I guess the ones I can't use on the website 🤔

[ornate cosmos]

Happened to me tqice on the wuwa and Alien Stage subreddit ngl 😭

[kindred marten]

I've used call for like 1.5 minutes in a year

[sharp token]

WuWa mentioned??

[kindred marten]

Wuwa discord server is peak 🗣🔥

[sharp token]

facts

[astral condor]

pipsqueak is like so weird for me. I thought it would maybe be cool to try it out, but man. Deepsqueak is like "he looks at you- really looks at you," or always "If he (inserts whatever)? Then no one has to know." or always something on the lines of "something in his chest cracks open"

[ornate cosmos]

Yeah I used to play a lot but now I log in like once a month lol.. 😔

Community ruined it for me

[warm heron]

isnt tbe max already 30 per message

[surreal cove]

I'm looking forward to it 😍😍
it's gonna be so fire that th4 stocks go even lower

[sullen axle]

That image thing? Can't do it. C.ai thinks I'm a child even though I'm a dwarf but I'm 23 years old

[sharp token]

we have people roleplaying as in-game functions ❤️‍🩹

[zinc pulsar]

I always panic when I accidentally click the call birron cuz in so socially anxious I can't even hold a call with an AI 😭 😂

[hollow zephyr]

yeah it is my guess is they're gonna be shortening the amount of times we can do it

[sharp token]

'no swipes for u'

[ornate cosmos]

I think i joined the wuwa discord once and immediately left im ngl- this was at the start of the game though

[hollow zephyr]

literally

[kindred marten]

The call feature feels like you talking to a person on substances

[zinc pulsar]

Good thought I was the only one-
Which one do you use normally though then?
Or which is the best in your opinion?
I'm still using Roar-

[astral condor]

If they wanted to, they literally could take away charms, and just give free users the ability to watch ads in exchange for premium features for a amount of time but they wont.

[sharp token]

deleted wuwa yesterday cuz i dont wanna play it anymore (only joined WuWa for FRover)

[kindred marten]

I had to temporary quit the game due to my damn phone turning into a thermonuclear warhead each time I play wuwa.

Gotta buy a PC twin 🥹

[zinc pulsar]

I only played it for Lingyang 😂 😭

[ornate cosmos]

Honestlg.. valid Frover is neat.

Im still playing bc of Scar, my S2R2 brant, S3R3 Qiu, and Aalto 🚬

[hollow zephyr]

deleted wuwa to make room for arknights wah

[autumn peak]

Guys what the hell do they mean with limiting the usage of swipes and go ons???

[ornate cosmos]

It doesnt help that wuwa damn near needs a space computer sometimes

[sharp token]

arknights endfield vs wuwa 🔥

[royal badge]

I never used it, much less the voice option, charms and those weird videos

[kindred marten]

And I accidentally got aemeath at 65 when I was gonna get chisa (f2p)

[sharp token]

nasa computer specifically

[ornate cosmos]

Theyre adding a limit where you can only swip/continue a bot's message 30 times before you use charms/pay

[hollow zephyr]

from what i understand they're limiting the amount of swipes we can do and the ability for the bot to "continue" the conversation

[astral condor]

I use deepsqueak because it's the only one in my opinion that actually moves the plot along. I used to have this probably with Deepsqueak where if the message was long, too long, the bot would start cutting out words. It would go from "He exhaled sharply though his nose and hugged tightly, trying to get you to stop shaking." to "Exhale through nose, hugged tightly, trying get you stop shaking." or something

[sharp token]

exactly

[autumn peak]

Uhh i already have the limit of thirty

[astral condor]

why not just take away the features that no one asked for lol. we wanted lorebooks, not streams and shit

[ornate cosmos]

I mean.. at least shes broken ig

[sharp token]

EXACTLYY

[kindred marten]

I hate her gameplay 💔

[autumn peak]

I already only have like 30 swipes per message. I was just worried they‘ll only give us 30 per chat or something

[zinc pulsar]

...and your advice for a free user?😂

[hollow zephyr]

nah i don't think it's like that

[zinc birch]

streams are my favorite part of CAI now though

[astral condor]

Pawly works good, I use it from time to time!

[zinc pulsar]

Thankies❤️
Will try too

[autumn peak]

Maybe they are limiting to 15 a message? Could live with that

[ornate cosmos]

Oh shit LOL 😭

I didnt even do her trial im ngl.. I didnt like her design

[hollow zephyr]

same tbh

[astral condor]

then they should add a toggle for features like that! If someone doesn't want to use it, then they can toggle it off, and it would most likely cut costs for them a little too

[sharp token]

my favourite part of c.ai is when the bot finally generates something good

[autumn peak]

Would be nice if they could clarify that somewhere bc this is a bit confusing

[ornate cosmos]

My favorite part is when the app actually works ngl

[astral condor]

Try Dynamic as well! I tend to write 3-6 paragraphs and it's decent sometimes

[hollow zephyr]

yeahhh here's hoping they clarify it

[grave radish]

Miracle

[unique onyx]

that would be ideal tbh, i wouldn’t mind if they cut it down to like 20 or smth, but im confused ab the whole ‘limiting the amount of ‘go ons’ bc what does that mean

[zinc pulsar]

"sometimes" 😭

[hollow zephyr]

i haven't rlly been using cai too much recently cuz of my arknights addiction lmao

[kindred marten]

Nuh uh, when the bot finally generates something creative and acts on it own without needing to force it to get an action

[zinc pulsar]

New feature maybe?

[sharp token]

FR

[royal badge]

If they work on how the bots respond, I can live with that, not with the "can I ask you something?" Following up to 10 TIMES

[astral condor]

ikkkkkkk lol, with chat styles, I kind of have to play and tweak with it until i get results i want

[autumn peak]

Just worried they‘ll give us daily swipes or like just 30 per chat bc i‘m on web and I don’t get charms

[ornate cosmos]

Paywallinf basic things is kinda crazy ngl

[kindred marten]

I get so happy when the bot does that for smr :>

[autumn peak]

Did they clarify this anywhere?

[sharp token]

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS 😡

[astral condor]

i think that's like, when u dont wanna response, you can make the bot respond more right?

[unique onyx]

30 per chat wouldn’t make any sense, a lot of ppls chats go on much longer than what 30 per chat would require

[unique onyx]

they didn’t, but that’s what i’m hoping yk

[kindred marten]

20 would be fine tbf

[grave radish]

Paywalling things on a AI app it's crazy ngl

I mean i get that they need money but...

Why lol?

[sharp token]

30 per chat = no c.ai

[unique onyx]

yeah ik that, but how is it different from a regular reload? how are they gonna regulate that

[zinc birch]

They will keep incrementally limiting what is free until CAI finally has enough revenue to survive

[ornate cosmos]

I think the call/video/stream things should be paywalled, but basic things like swiping or continuing is dumb..

Oh well ig

[hollow zephyr]

idk if any mods are present rn but if any of yall can clarify what the metering thing means it would be appreciated 🙏

[autumn peak]

I know, i guess they‘ll just cut it down to 15 and if you want more you can use charms. Don’t mind that, i think it was like this before on beta so i guess thats how they‘ll do it. Just my theory though

[brave lily]

I wish they explained the whole metered thing better.

[round blaze]

i rarely ever use more than 20 per message so if it's just limiting the swipes per message further than i'm fine

[autumn peak]

I guess its just cutting down the amount of swipes per message but we‘re all not sure

[hollow zephyr]

cuz tons of us are confused af

[round blaze]

can the 4 mods that have been in the mod vc for hours answer us 😔

[unique onyx]

yeah, bc honestly that would make sense. i also saw someone propose that the let users watch ads in exchange for premium features/charms to use for features, which i think also would make a lot of sense for the to implement

[astral condor]

they need to do "feature exchange", where they put toggles for features, and give the users choices and features to choose from. Say like this , if someone don't want to use streams, they can turn it off in exchange for turning off a metering feature.

[grave radish]

The only thing i consider "valid" for hiding it behind a paywall, it's having like more actions for the chatting

Example?, being able to use images for chats (wihout limit), that would be dope

Or videos, idk

[unique onyx]

yeah i’d like a mod to confirm

[hazy igloo]

I feel like they should’ve went more into detail about the update since a lot of people are confused 🤷🏽‍♀️

[sharp token]

im starting to think what if the c.ai community goes on to quit c.ai for one week like the roblox community nearly did (the only time when roblox devs listened)

[autumn peak]

Same because this could mean the worst damn thing for chatters, or its just a minor thing

[round blaze]

unfortunately this doesn't work from a business standpoint

[ornate cosmos]

People would actually have to quit.. and if they're addicted like me itd be hard 😔

[astral condor]

i honestly think they didn't explain it better on purpose

[zinc pulsar]

The problem is that most people would still use it

Also how do you plan on letting every user know?

[autumn peak]

I guess thats the point but i‘m not sure

[sharp token]

yea

[astral condor]

trueee. then maybe having free users watch ads in exchange for charms or something?

[hollow zephyr]

just tired of being confused wah

[autumn peak]

What makes u think that?

[frail stone]

what are “go ons”

[round blaze]

i'm surprised they don't already do this

[sharp token]

confused of being confused

[hollow zephyr]

yeah

[wise delta]

Skip button, fast forward, I think...

[ornate cosmos]

When you hit the ⏩ button and make the bot send another message iirc

[sharp token]

what are skip buttons? or fast forward

[astral condor]

idk, they tend to put updates out and then call it a bug when they get backlash for it

[autumn peak]

Same and what are even playbacks

[frail stone]

Oh bruh what

[potent raptor]

So they are getting rid of things the users like? Bullshit

[wise delta]

When you don't reply and tap the button next to the send one...

[round blaze]

playbacks are when the ai voice reads the message

[astral condor]

they could also do away with pop up ads if they get creative with ad placement like pinterest n reddit does

[sharp token]

fahhh

[unique onyx]

me too like? that’s pretty standard, it makes sense too esp bc it’s then voluntary

[round blaze]

i'd still take the pop-up ads over limiting core features

[autumn peak]

Yeah makes sense. But the swipe thing is probably to get users to watch ads and they seem to rly need money soo yeah

[frail stone]

i could be behind the swipe ones sure but this is lowkenuinely annoying

[sharp token]

fr

[wise delta]

Same, I use go ons a lot :']

[zinc pulsar]

Did anyone ever try to use the old website with the way-back-machine?
Maybe then we can get our quality from the very beginning back 😂

[astral condor]

right? They could be like "hey, wanna watch this 1 minute-2 minute ad for nyan/deepsqueak for one chat of ur choosing" or something

[ornate cosmos]

Limiting core features is a bummer..

[autumn peak]

I just don’t know how they‘ll limit the go on things? Like isn’t that just sending a blank message. That‘ll be hard to limit and keep track of

[potent raptor]

Locking simple things that have been free since the beginning, under a paywall because the company are greedy

[frail stone]

i would rather have more ads than have those features limited cause why r u locking down the core features bro

[grand tapir]

I cannot live with this update... I use it because I want to get the best response possible

[sly geyser]

there’s already a limit on these things can these devs just chill out

[zinc pulsar]

Even if they do that, just send a message with just a dot or anything, wait for the bit to reply again and then delete your nonsense message again

Problem solved 😂

[autumn peak]

Real

[frail stone]

and when i said that c.ai doesn’t seem to care abt their free users n i got jumped for it….

[round blaze]

me when i just delete the message and regenerate instead of swiping

[astral condor]

exactly. they could put banner ads in everywhere like in between chat history, in between search results, and they can have reward ads for free users to temp get premium features or somethin

[potent raptor]

What will be next? A limit on the number of messages you can send a day?

[wise delta]

They're just choking us until we say, "hey, maybe let go a little"...

[frail stone]

i wouldn’t put it past them genuinely

[astral condor]

ssssh dont give them ideas

[brave lily]

If AI prices keep rising at this pace, possibly.

[grand tapir]

the number of swipes i think

[orchid saffron]

So something I never use

[frail stone]

it’s giving how spotify makes the app nearly unusable unless u have premium

[sly geyser]

yeah they’re really fucking us free users over

[grand tapir]

istg if c.ai ever does that I'm done

[sly geyser]

thats why i use the spotify website where you can do whatever just with ads

[autumn peak]

But it really is written like its just gonna be like half the swipes we had before and nothing wild. I wouldn’t worry too much about it. And even if they decide to make the limitations ass they usually listen to the fanbase and remove it like the double message feature from summer last year and stuff

[orchid saffron]

They wouldn’t be that stupid…Right?

[vestal forge]

unfortunately

[zinc pulsar]

Is what lot of people saying, but only a very few really do-
Sadly

[round blaze]

i'd personally be fine with it being limited, but really sucks for disabled users

though i feel like it wouldn't hurt them to have a generic tts voice

[robust belfry]

i dont get it... what do they mean by metering?

[last sedge]

I just saw the announcement. I’m so disappointed and frustrated

[wise delta]

Heh...

[potent raptor]

Honestly if that happens, nuke everyone who works for the app

[brave lily]

I tend to forget how bad Spotify is when you’re a free user.

[astral condor]

people just gonna switch to the web version. the app is slow for me anyways (and im a plus user)

[sly geyser]

they’re trying to use big words to look smarter

[ornate cosmos]

A lot of the time its bc people are addictied :(

[sharp token]

c.ai dev team making a good update difficulty: IMPOSSIBLE

[hollow zephyr]

i feel kinda lost cuz it's the only app like this i use and it's somewhat decent :((

[orchid saffron]

True, it’s only I don’t use it since I don’t like listening to ai voices and stuff, same with like generating images, makes me feel icky

[potent raptor]

At least lower the price of the plus thing

[frail stone]

also the limit for the fast forward/go on thing is also confusing bc is it limited per chat or is it limited per bot?? or if u use it up on one chat u cant use it anymore in any??

[grand tapir]

idk... at first I thought they were adding all these updates bc they cared about the users, now they're just being greedy

[sharp token]

i like to imagine my own voices for them

[autumn peak]

Do you guys have unlimited swipes on the app? I‘m on web and i only have 30

[zinc birch]

You know how you have an electric meter and a water meter and you have to pay for the amount you use of each?

[wise delta]

Who knows?

[orchid saffron]

It’s 15 dollars for me, I guess it could be worse

[frail stone]

free users already can only use 30 swipes so it’s abt to get lower!!!

[hollow zephyr]

i have limited swipes on both, capped at 30

[round blaze]

app is also 30

[brave lily]

It’s still 30 for free users on the app.

[fathom flicker]

Is it still 10 a month (or was it 10 a week)? I honestly quit c.ai months ago I just saw this spark up conversation again

[grand tapir]

[frail stone]

bc why would we want the app to be actually usable for free users

[astral condor]

they need to make tiered subs honestly. 9.99 is regular, so for premimum features but with ads (less ads though), it needs to be 4.99 a month. a lot more doabled really

[blazing mist]

They’re gonna make this website even more shittier so you pay them money

[robust belfry]

yeah, so basically they mean "hit a certain amount of swipes etc and pay for more"?

[round blaze]

add like a better model or smth for more than $9.99 and the people who actually have money can keep it going

[potent raptor]

Someone please make an apk file with free plus

[sharp token]

c.ai going downhill faster than roblox did with their classic faces and classic clothings removal announcement is crazy

[hollow zephyr]

pls mods just a shred of clarification would be appreciated

[wise delta]

I mean, I swipe a lot, but never make it to 30... unless they set it down to like, three, it's bearable...

[zinc birch]

Yes

[autumn peak]

I honestly don’t mind, it got lowered before from i guess 60 when transitioning from beta to the full version. Lowering it again is a mean move but i doubt they‘ll lower it below 15

[orchid saffron]

Guess I’m sticking to browser now

[robust belfry]

ahh got it xd thx

[zinc pulsar]

I'd prefer if you can pre-pay for a certain amount of months

Like no unlimited sub but like let me just pay for one month only just to try it out without me having to remember to actively cancel the subscription -

[sly geyser]

no point in making lower

[astral condor]

they kinda do that with deepsqueak. they actually promised deepsqueak to free users and then gave them pipsqueak instead once they realized how good everyone said deepsqueak was (that was plus)

[ornate cosmos]

Maybe we should normalize rping with friends again

[sly geyser]

atp they should give us explanations before they release bad updates

[potent raptor]

Furthermore, these updates don't even help the company in any way

[sharp token]

guys, do u think c.ai is cooked by 2027 if they continue down this line of path?

[hollow zephyr]

i miss rping w friends tbh

[frail stone]

the swipes isn’t as annoying as limiting fast forward though. because why should we have a limit on that it’s genuinely js gonna make it bad for responses 😭

[astral condor]

also, they need site down incentives if they gonna be limiting stuff

[zinc birch]

You could try using a prepaid credit card I guess

[potent raptor]

It will be dead by end of the year

[ornate cosmos]

No, I think people will still stay bc theyre attached to the bots and their stories..

[round blaze]

like no subscription service does this

[brave lily]

If the price of it keeps going up, I wouldn’t be surprised.

[clear charm]

guys does someone know if the italics not working is a glitch or if they changed it on purpose?

[frail stone]

depends on how many glazers there will be

[sharp token]

strong term there

[round blaze]

c.ai gonna go the way of AISekai 🥀

[ornate cosmos]

Me too. I only stopped though bc I felt like I got too old for it and people would find it to be cringe...

[autumn peak]

Guys they have done this before and just went from 60 to 30 when it transitioned from beta to full version. They‘ll probably just half it again, 15 is fine, we‘ll live and we‘ll still be able to chat

[fathom flicker]

Yeah I’ve been all for this for ageees lol, guess it’s a good way to start with the way this app is going downhill in user experience

[unique onyx]

i’d just like an explanation of what they mean by ‘metering’ bc that would make the convo much clearer

[brave lily]

You used Aisekai too before it went under?

[frail stone]

i’ve seen this term used a lot in the server 😳

[hollow zephyr]

god that name takes me back,,,

[round blaze]

yeah, then switched to Sakura, then back to c.ai

[frail stone]

they’re limiting the amnt of fast forwarding and swipes we have

[sly geyser]

ive got that feeling that cai is going down an unrecoverable path

[edgy wraith]

What’s fast forwarding

[fathom flicker]

Yeah we need definitions for these ‘big words’ 😭

[unique onyx]

no i know, i mean how they’re doing that

[brave lily]

I really liked that site before they went under. Sucks that they couldn’t get the funding they needed.

[hollow zephyr]

i don't rlly use the fast forward thingy anyways so im not too fussed, it's just the swipe limit that unnerves me

[ornate cosmos]

Ill probably ask my friends or smth.. I think theres serves for it too iirc

[round blaze]

if they sound fancy then everyone will like their update! /s

[unique onyx]

metering could mean literally any kind of limiting

[frail stone]

when u tap the send button to have the bot send another response when u didn’t reply

[fathom flicker]

Roblox renaming friends to connections and games to experiences core:

[edgy wraith]

THEYRE LIMITING THAT?

[zinc birch]

I'd guess because there are people hitting the button all day long with no brakes and every message costs money

[potent raptor]

Guy's could we pr0Te5t?

[astral condor]

before this, i was on ao3 writing fanfiction lol

[frail stone]

yup unless u go spend $10 a month on c.ai+

[autumn peak]

Unless they only give us like 3 swipes per message we‘re gonna be just fine. They just want a reason without breaking the experience for everyone for users to watch ads so they get more money. Ram has gotten rly expensive nowadays

[unique onyx]

yeah me too. i don’t use fast forwarding as much, so like a limit perday on each bot or smth is fine to me. annoying but eh wtv. i’m just not so sure ab swipes. i wouldn’t mind lowering it to like 20

[zinc pulsar]

How would you wanna plan that?
You'd have to reach every user worldwide😭

[sly geyser]

another message deleted

[round blaze]

are you telling me i can't slander roblox

[blazing mist]

What even is fast forwarding. Is it just having your bot send a message twice in a row?

[sharp token]

fire

[potent raptor]

Trust me, I can do that. I'm Carmine Liver for heavens sake

[fathom flicker]

So it’s not like a “you get (number of swipes) daily!” or some crap?

[wise delta]

Ye

[hollow zephyr]

it's basically the bot continuing the convo

[zinc pulsar]

Well then do your thing

[round blaze]

does fast forwarding even work properly for y'all? the AI always seems to just forget what's going on whenever i continue

[astral condor]

instead of limits, why not just give people pop up ads when they hit said limits and them watching the ad resets it, would make perfect sense

[sharp token]

stop giving them ideas.

[blazing mist]

Also why the hell are we limiting chat rewinding?

ITS LITERALLY DELETING MESSAGES 😭

[zinc pulsar]

It's a 50/50 honestly -

[astral condor]

it works for me as it helps with writers block but sometimes i be confused as hell w/ the bot

[potent raptor]

ALRIGHT EVERYONE PR0TE5T AGAINST THE LIMITS! MARCH 13TH 5PM! BE THERE

[blazing mist]

Sense and c.ai devs do not go together

[warped loom]

It works for me

[sharp token]

real facts

[wise delta]

Sometimes... and some other times, the bot flinches and acts all offended for no reason :]

[round blaze]

i just swipe for writers block

[fathom flicker]

Mb twin

[astral condor]

they need to hire me for marketing and features what the hecky

[autumn peak]

I highly doubt that. That would drive a lot of users away and break the experience, making it unusable for a long time of the day, a time in wich users won’t be shown ads. They just try to get money to run the servers, it wouldn’t make any sense limiting the experience for every non plus user that could potentially watch more ads the more time they spend on the app

[sharp token]

❤️‍🩹

[round blaze]

ok but consumer friendliness doesn't make money

[hollow zephyr]

atp im tempted to move to another site,, if there is another like that

[frail stone]

they’re limiting rewinding too…. say sike rn

[astral condor]

yah trueee

[zinc pulsar]

That honestly the biggest bs

[sly geyser]

#📣︱announcements

[potent raptor]

Do you know what they need? They need to be purchased by a big company who actually listens to users

[sharp token]

i just kinda wanna make my own chatbot site though i know damn well that its gonna be costly 💀

[blazing mist]

They call it playbacks and I’m assuming playbacks is just rewinding

[round blaze]

me when i spread misinformation online

[wise delta]

Hell nah, really?

[sly geyser]

they need new devs who actually fix important stuff

[orchid saffron]

That’s not so bad actually

[fathom flicker]

I just thought of a system where that would actually work, but I’m not going to share them as I was told not to give them any ideas 🥹

[round blaze]

playbacks are the AI voice, not rewinding

[autumn peak]

Havent seen any official sources for that

[zinc birch]

use your energy to acquire $10 instead

[sharp token]

roblox devs in a nutshell:

[unique onyx]

tbh who even uses those? they’re so cringe to me

[sharp token]

beyond facts

[brave lily]

Or a job at least. C.ai may be fun, it shouldn’t be that serious as well.

[astral condor]

as long as it's not "u get 15 swipes daily" or something that would be crazy. and if they did, people would leave and then they would take away that claiming it was..... a "bug"

[round blaze]

i only use them for a select few private bots and it's just a bunch of voices of me doing a dumb impression

[potent raptor]

Honestly they can get rid of voices. I don't care. Same goes for the video things

[autumn peak]

Maybe to force people into buying plus, but honestly that would probably just make them loose users wich i doubt they‘ll risk

[sharp token]

if it were 15 swipes per message its fine as i can just delete it and redo

[astral condor]

could be helpful for disabled users i think

[blazing mist]

LIKE FR JUST GET RID OF AI VIDEOS AND PICTURES THATS WHY U DEVS R SO BROKE

[round blaze]

they would probably do an hourly limit if that

[unique onyx]

BASED

[round blaze]

screen reader

[sharp token]

morse code ✅

[round blaze]

c.ai should add braille mode

[autumn peak]

I don’t think that. They want people to watch ads, thats why they‘re introducing that. If you can’t chat for a long time you‘re gonna watch less ads that usually

[sharp token]

facts

[round blaze]

they want people to spend $10 a month*

[unique onyx]

in the case of reading things out, most disabled people already have a screen reader. ai-genning a voice seems overkill

[blazing mist]

They should add braille to gas stations. The fact that they don’t accommodate for blind drivers is outrageous

[autumn peak]

Ads make way more than that especially for very active users

[zinc pulsar]

Btw ads-

I'm only using the web version but so far I have never seen any ad-
Do they only use ads on the app?

[blazing mist]

You likely just have an ad yeeter on

[autumn peak]

Same

[sharp token]

imagine c.ai gets so bad it reaches news articles-

[sly geyser]

nope web is getting ads too. they have banner ads already but i have blockers on so now i dont have em

[round blaze]

the limits don't increase ads, they decrease the time spent on the app unless devs make it so you can get charms watching ads

[blazing mist]

It already reaches news because of inept parents

[zinc pulsar]

Not really

I have an anti ad browser for YouTube but I only use the normal Google Chrome without any adddons for ads

[sharp token]

oh yea

[sly geyser]

it did in 2024 when that kid did that thing

[autumn peak]

Yeah that was my point

[sharp token]

at least 2023-2024 was peak c.ai

[autumn peak]

But make it a 15 swipes per day thing would be horrendous, even for them. Breaking the experience completely

[sly geyser]

2026 cai is way far from peak

[hasty saffron]

Warning: Messages not loading on C.AI, possible crashout imminent.

[zinc pulsar]

I feel like every prior update was better than the current/ future ones lmao

[sharp token]

its flopping

[round blaze]

i got c.ai on another monitor it's loading fine for me

[hasty saffron]

not for me

[bronze needle]

C.ai is past its prime

[sharp token]

reverse updates 💔💔

[hollow zephyr]

"we're going to be more transparent about changes" lies

[astral condor]

It needs to be 15 per message sent by the bot, if theyre going to limit stuff. That's doable

[near creek]

My favorite bot is gone. And most of the bot now is dumb

[sly geyser]

cai is sewage water

[zinc pulsar]

Facts

Tomorrow I'll try to use it in the way-back-machine lmao

[bronze needle]

I'm just sad to see it drive itself down a hill

[sharp token]

c.ai is the mythical garbage juice that goes all over you

[graceful zephyr]

What favorite bot was it?

[unique onyx]

i don’t think that’s gonna work, it won’t be functional

[round blaze]

BREAKING: One of the mods left the mod room VC

[autumn peak]

They did this before when they limited from like 45 or 60 to 30 when the beta transition to the full version

Or my memory is deceiving me

[dense quail]

I think they’ve actually lost it

[astral condor]

i joined in late 2023 so idk

[dense quail]

Now, they’re just another AI platform. It’s so sad, they used to be so great.

[round blaze]

remember: TACO

TCharacter.AI
Always
Chickens
Out

(hopium)

[sly geyser]

the site is spewing shitty updates like a ruptured septic tank

[rotund bolt]

The ads mid chats are so fucking annoying

[sharp token]

stalinium

(slowed and reverbed)

[autumn peak]

Back then they didn’t even have a swipe counter looked at old screenshots

[dense quail]

Remember TACO

TCHARECTR,AI
AWILL DO ANYTHING
CTO FUCK OVER
K THEIR USERS

[round blaze]

MONEY 🤑

[sharp token]

who let this guy speak so much facts its blessing my eeys

[rare elbow]

Where are you seeing this ruptured septic tank

[sly geyser]

are they just not capable of being like a normal developer and actually do their job they’re payed to do

[round blaze]

the ruptured septic tank is based in Menlo Park California

[sharp token]

overreal beyond facts

[dense quail]

C.ai used to be so great. Greed killed the site

[sharp token]

fr, such a great site full of life and creativity before

now we have this

[spark bay]

fr.

[dense quail]

Also millennial parents that don’t look over their children’s internet activity but shhh

[sharp token]

salute to proprietary model

[brave lily]

How to make c.ai better:
1: make running ai cheaper somehow
2: I haven’t planned ahead this far.
3: touch grass.

[sharp token]

DONT GIVE THE PARENTS IDEAS
(slowed and reverbed)

[blazing mist]

[dense quail]

Expect there’s sites that ARE free, and will continue to be 😭

[bronze needle]

They need more water for the AI they should just put their HQ in the middle of the ocean or something

[blazing mist]

Just use Grok atp

[dense quail]

WE ALL using grok

[brave lily]

Then again, c.ai is a lot larger than those sites are too.

[round blaze]

Grok knows who I am and it's scary

[vestal forge]

you gotta pay to use grok

[blazing mist]

c.ai should literally use grok for its models

[brave lily]

Let’s give the servers the oceans and sea life.

[round blaze]

you gotta pay to use the other ai models c.ai bases theirs on

[dense quail]

idk man

[sly geyser]

not entirely. you can use it for free through twitter

[autumn peak]

They can just get rid of all the yuckyfk features like the voices and phone calls, no one uses them

[blazing mist]

Instead of TPGtahC, we need Grok

[bronze needle]

I feel like grok is gonna be a g--ner model for when in the future they somehow remove the filter

[sharp token]

lets use 9273827482 gallons of distilled water to cool the servers

[dense quail]

We all using ChatGPT

[brave lily]

That’s the spirit!

[blazing mist]

😏

[sharp token]

(slow mode turns on)

[bronze needle]

Take me back to 2023 where the biggest concern was the filter and removing the filter bruh 😭😭😭😭😭

[brave lily]

dies of dead.

[astral condor]

everyone : bring back group chats!
devs : you heard them, limit everything and stuff it behind a paywall

[sharp token]

using gemini to roleplay 😭

[bronze needle]

Revives you

[brave lily]

W bro

[bronze needle]

Of course twin

[blazing mist]

Nah use deepseak

[sharp token]

dies from seeing dies of dead but sees revives you so i revived myself

[dense quail]

C,ai so bad, people rping in the server

[sly geyser]

yeah id rather the filter than the “im sorry i cannot comply with this request”

[sharp token]

WHAT 😭

[blazing mist]

If c.ai switched to using deepseak, we would see a different kind of censorship

[zinc birch]

pipsqueak is based on deepseek

[bronze needle]

True lmao...

I'm not actually laughing I feel actual dread in my chest when I think of what's gonna happen to c.ai next...

[dense quail]

“Uh hey”
The bot: “榮耀歸於共產中國”

[sharp token]

pls c.ai bring back proprietary model

[nimble swift]

What's everyone using instead

[brave lily]

While I do hope that c.ai makes a come back, I personally don’t know how they can make more money without having to go Mr. Krabs on us.

[sly geyser]

honestly they earned this. they had every opportunity to listen to the users and now this is what they get for neglecting us

[autumn peak]

I guess once i have my job i‘m just gonna buy plus. I can’t deal with this bs anymore

[sly geyser]

they’re more greedy than mr krabs even when he sold spongebob to the flying dutchman for 62 cents

[near creek]

It was Michael Dean from supernatural

[sharp token]

this man needs a raise for saying this

[ornate cosmos]

Surely theres something more important to use 10 bucks on than cai+..

[bronze needle]

I just wonder what will happen next year or the year after that. C.ai has been a big part of my life in 2023 I was here when everything started now I dunno I feel like it's all gonna end soon or something

[sharp token]

2027 trust

[sly geyser]

at this rate they dont have much longer

[sharp token]

"This is the end."

-Adele

[glacial matrix]

Bro they be limiting swipes now😭 what else could they possibly take from us?!

[brave lily]

Blame the price of running the ai as well. I get they need to make money but I’m feeling like the ai is bleeding the of money. I ain’t defending C.ai but that’s how I see it.

[bronze needle]

Hold your breath and count to ten...

[sharp token]

... Feel the Earth move and then...

[dense quail]

C.ai is too sensitive, you can’t say the name of someone that cleans

[autumn peak]

I live at home, have no bills to pay except for gas and i rly don’t need to buy anything at the moment

[bronze needle]

Idk the rest mb 🥲

[autumn peak]

Just better for my nerves

[unique onyx]

also, you know a good way to limit ppls swipes? put a swipe counter in the app like the website, that way people can monitor how much they’re swiping anyway

[sharp token]

... Swept away and (idk idk idk)

[brave lily]

Yeah! My gamepass ultimate!!!

[sharp token]

"If the skies fall"

-Adele

[round blaze]

idk what c.ai has against custodians

[dense quail]

Yeah 😭

[ornate cosmos]

For me its gacha pulls
(or coffee/boba)

[bronze needle]

Let the sky fall, and it crumbles

[forest wave]

i really think they need to listen to users more
not Just for the feedback but on what we complain

[sharp token]

If the skies fall, when it crumbles, we will stand tall, and face it all—together...

[forest wave]

they used to listen to us before i don't see why not doing that now

[autumn peak]

Its just better for my nerves to just pay the ten bucks a month rather than worry the whole time. Can’t deal with their bs anymore

[blazing mist]

Guys I just chatted with deepseek and it corrected me very passive aggressively then censored itself 😭

[sly geyser]

yep. since they arent listening to us they’re going to take the fall harshly

[sharp token]

average german main in war thunder:

[sharp token]

peak deepseek

[forest wave]

what? 😭

[glacial matrix]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the next new feature was to get rid of the search bar and make us pay money for gacha pulls in specific categories for characters😔

[round blaze]

accurate

[autumn peak]

I just dislike the not clarifying anything because now ppl wordy again. Just tell us what you are doing GAHDAMN

[sharp token]

trust

[forest wave]

idk what that is but okay

[ornate cosmos]

Dont give them ideas bro

[bronze needle]

Why is no one talking about deepseek anymore?

I think it's past it's prime

[dense quail]

They are treating C.AI like it’s a game, it isn’t. It’s a roleplaying website.

[sharp token]

grok the goat, deepseek the cold

[blazing mist]

Because I used it once and the AI tried seeking deep into me

[bronze needle]

Pause

[astral condor]

exactly. limiting swipes could mean anything from daily, hourly limits or just bringing the amount of swipes per message to 15 like that would be fine

[sharp token]

deepseek when it lives up to its name:

[sly geyser]

im treating it as kick the buddy where i can beat the bots up in multiple ways

[sharp token]

magic school bus

[autumn peak]

I don’t get why they do this? Do they want us to believe the worst like they usually do or do they want us to believe we‘re good and then all hell breaks loose

[glacial matrix]

I remember in the olden days where the only problem was a filter, there was a 30 swipe limit per message.

[bronze needle]

Is deepseek lowkey the secret g--ner AI model?

[round blaze]

Schrödinger's update

[sharp token]

its the chinese one

[autumn peak]

Also i‘ve never seen a damn ad on web, how will i even get more swipes if they won’t let me watch ads?

[round blaze]

until you say Taiwan is a country ofc

[sharp token]

shh dont give them ideas

[sly geyser]

they will have ads on web

[autumn peak]

They‘ll lock me in 2 swipe per day prison

[bronze needle]

Of course they will

[sharp token]

'1 swipe daily'

[autumn peak]

[sly geyser]

they got banner ads already its only a matter of time before pop up ads appear

[hardy bison]

Im pretty sure that I had at least one ad on the web, unless I’m misremembering

[spark bay]

I hope they won't, cuz I wanna switch to web instead of app.

[round blaze]

they should make it so you have to roll for how many swipes you can get per message, but if you roll doubles three times you go to jail

[autumn peak]

Huh? Never seen one

[forest wave]

don't give them ideias-

[brave lily]

0 swipes daily because I like to cause chaos.

[astral condor]

because they know that they want to keep users here in the app to see what the update will be so that if it is bad like hourly or daily swipe limits, they can scramble it down and call it a "bug" and then introduce another update where its 15 per message

[sly geyser]

i had one thats why i have a DNS active

[sharp token]

nonononoNONON-

[sly geyser]

yep

[brave lily]

[autumn peak]

Yeah true, but if its like this we‘ll get what we want anyways so thats a good thing

[astral condor]

uh

[sly geyser]

another message deleted

[plain moon]

They should remove the fucking filter and stop to add useless shit. I won't continue my subscription. I rather use the money for Spicychat.ai than this filtered and useless shit mess

I wonder if my comment will be deleted because I'm not kissing the ass of this bunch of shit called c.ai anymore

[sharp token]

yup

[autumn peak]

Never have i ever seen such a thing on my cellular device. Just ad for cai plus

[heavy copper]

Too much limit now but bot quality won't improve

[glacial matrix]

Mary's got the spicy tea😭

[astral condor]

they need to get rid of the features that suck up all the money that NO one asked for

[sly geyser]

i had to look it up its an blocker for ads

[sharp token]

bro has surpassed the roblox filter

[astral condor]

we asked for quality. for good features. not avatarfx or streams

[autumn peak]

No i mean the ad itself

[heavy copper]

I thought the message was the bare minimum for free users

[hardy bison]

I can deal with it if they only limited messaging to 10-15, because at least I could still delete and reroll unlimitedly.

[hollow hull]

So they are reducing the amount of swipes… lovely.

[sharp token]

before u know it theyre gonna remove messaging for non c.ai+ users

[astral condor]

dont u dare give them ideas

[celest quail]

What now

[heavy copper]

I lost the majority of features since they pay walled streams

[hardy bison]

Which, admittedly, could be what they are doing. Its unknown because they are being so friggen vague.

[sharp token]

neuron activation

[autumn peak]

I think the only solution is burying myself in the garden with only my head sticking out and reconnecting with nature by becoming a plant. No hope for this

[spark bay]

agree with every word.

[round blaze]

sorry, you need c.ai+ to touch grass

[sharp token]

me: being shakespeare and writing romeo and juliet (metaphorically) on c.ai

meanwhile the bot:

"Can I ask you a question?"

[autumn peak]

Maybe they‘ll remove the letters too so its just morse or binary

[glacial matrix]

No one even asked to have a video creation or a photo creation feature. Those probably suck up so much money. No one asked for stickers or charms. No one asked for pip/deepsqueak. So much money is wasted on SHIT NO ONE ASKED FOR.

[autumn peak]

Damn

[hardy bison]

Literally.

[hollow hull]

The fact they’re being so vague does little to make me comfortable. Makes me think they plan something and they know the community will react badly

[sharp token]

NOO DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS

i bet theyre gonna add 🔒 : •••

[round blaze]

each character must be age verified separately

[sharp token]

😭😭

[heavy copper]

I can't stand the message limit.

[sharp token]

no

[autumn peak]

Or they‘ll start charging you for the device you‘re using it on. Like 20 bucks for a phone 50 for laptop, 100 for a smart fridge

[sharp token]

no (to the person who reacted)

[torn ruin]

🥺

[glacial matrix]

Must use both government ID AND selfie id or it doesn't count😭 hell add your credit card on there to

[round blaze]

P-promise you won't laugh.

[sharp token]

ok fine

[astral condor]

True. They need to focus on the CORE FOUR - Chat, Memory, Voices, Personas. Then in those cour fore, they need to add mini features in embedded into them, like chat style, chat history keyword search bar, auto memories, favoriting chats to pin, chat folders, and more

[sly geyser]

i always promise not to and when they finally say it i guffaw right in their face to make them feel bad

[bronze needle]

My guy cage predicted everything back in 2023

[hardy bison]

On the site…

[round blaze]

AI Dungeon 😔

[autumn peak]

Does anyone even use this avatar fx stuff?

[sly geyser]

i dont

[round blaze]

*shoots with a glock 19*

[hardy bison]

I don’t

[astral condor]

a d b l o c k for the winnn

[sly geyser]

yep which is what i use

[round blaze]

uBlock >>

[sharp token]

/counters with katana slicing bullet

[hollow hull]

What does Playbacks mean? Do they mean rewinds or voices?

[heavy copper]

They don't even give us a free way to earn charms

[autumn peak]

Then why is it still there if no damn butt is using it, BECAUSE I DONT EITHER. Like, everyone chats but we‘re cutting off that feature bc we need to save money INSTEAD OF THE MOST USELESS FEATURES

[sharp token]

fahhh

check status channel ig

[hollow zephyr]

me whose moving my bots to another platform:

[sharp token]

which platform may i ask

[astral condor]

watch them backtrack when people leave, and then they say "oh metering meant metering the feedback that you have sent and sending them to our team" lol

[hardy bison]

Which platform? And how much better is it?-

[sharp token]

fier

[hollow zephyr]

i wanna say it's generous

[hollow hull]

Does it have personas?

[hollow zephyr]

yes :>

[hardy bison]

SWEET

[celest quail]

It has web or just an app?

[hollow zephyr]

im only on web myself

[hardy bison]

What about message editing?

[hollow zephyr]

it allows that too!!

[hardy bison]

Nice! Do they allow you to have more than one chat with a bot?

[astral condor]

careful with saying subs for cai yall got timed out for a min

[sharp token]

can i swipe infinitely without subscribing

[hollow zephyr]

yeah i might delete my message mentioning it

[sharp token]

XD

[hollow zephyr]

honestly?? idk dfkjdsh

[sharp token]

yes

[hollow zephyr]

and honestly i wasn't even aware i got timed out

[hollow hull]

Mmm, 15 bucks for cai+ a month…

[sharp token]

aight amma go bed, gn chat

also, c.ai good update when

[spark bay]

good niight.

[hollow zephyr]

gnnnn

[sly geyser]

would rather burn my money and make a campfire out of it

[sharp token]

hooray more work tomorrow 😭😭

[rare elbow]

Marielovesmatcha had made a recent announcement basically confirming that ads and usage limits are coming to Character.ai, and that's to keep the platform running, right? So part of that proposal would be to introduce metering on features like Swipes and Go-ons.

[celest quail]

These fellas doin absolutely everything but removing age play bots

[hollow hull]

The only thing I’m thinking is if will also let CAI know I’m not a Minor. Or if it’ll end up being I pay only to get slammed with a age verification

[astral condor]

true but i do hate how people get agere and age play confused

[hardy bison]

I can’t believe that at one point, I was going to use C.AIs server tag lol

[celest quail]

Months ago I found a Son x Dad, not even step, it was literally blood relation. And you know what? It's still there like nothing.

[sly geyser]

c.ai when it comes to real problems: “huh mustve been the wind”

[hardy bison]

Literally…I would rather pay for discord nitro.

[bronze needle]

I would rather buy YouTube premium

Netflix

Some McDonald's

[sly geyser]

would rather buy nintendo switch online

[cinder lily]

It's been awhile, someone else's moderated bots are back? 😮

[astral condor]

no are yours?

[cinder lily]

no...that's why I asked 😅

[glossy mural]

What do they means by "usage limits", so we only have like a couple of important feature per day? Or would it be like swiping feature where it's stays the same for normal user (30/30) while cai+ receive 100/100

[cosmic goblet]

My switch online is only £30 a year, Cai+ is £10 a month that's gonna add up to a lot

[cosmic goblet]

Moderated bots aren't coming back unless they're falsely flagged

[cinder lily]

Yeah that's what I asked, falsely flagged bots ;-;

[cosmic goblet]

Best to submit a ticket and ping a mod with the ticket number politely asking it to be boosted...any Disney, Fox, Warner Brothers, Dreamworks, Blumhouse or NBC Universal bots are unlikely to come back so double check what company owns the characters first

[cinder lily]

how to ping a mod? also, idk how to sent a ticket...or if it will help at least 😭

[robust mango]

Is c.ai website down rn? 😭 the characters done load and every creator profile is pushed to the side

[cosmic goblet]

Go into the cai app settings and report via there, then just @ an active mod here with the ticket number when you're done

[cinder lily]

I use web 😮

[cosmic goblet]

https://support.character.ai/hc/en-us/requests/new

[cinder lily]

idk how to do it...can you help me? 😮

[cosmic goblet]

Nah mines alright but I've seen a ton of web users saying there's loading issues recently

[cinder lily]

Wait...why they ask for address and URL?

[cosmic goblet]

Click the link and fill out the ticket form, just title it falsely flagged bots and then explain which characters it was and the creator's username and try to include screenshots of their descriptions and stuff to prove they weren't mentioning any DMCA'ed franchises

[robust mango]

Anyway to fix it or is it something c.ai is fixing..?

[cosmic goblet]

I have no idea twin, I use the app I remember a mod saying something on the subreddit about the team looking into it so I think they're aware 💔

[cinder lily]

It may be TONS! Even if I know only two creators with moderated bots, idk how to explain (since am not English)

[robust mango]

Heh.. I see thanks for the info twin

[cosmic goblet]

Dw dw, just mention the bots you use that were falsely flagged...don't worry about the ones you don't use

[heavy copper]

They're too vague. Every new feature is released but they all cost charms. I haven't received any charms quest

[cinder lily]

Why? It will be back anyway? 😮

[cosmic goblet]

Basically if you tell them the bot information in the ticket the team can unmoderate the bots

[heavy copper]

Why don't the founders of character.ai step in

[cinder lily]

it's 02:08 here, so I may go to sleep, you can help me tomorrow if you can 🙂 (can I add you so we can talk in DM?)

[cosmic goblet]

Sorry twin, I don't accept DMs 💔

[halcyon cypress]

they're busy dealing w multiple lawsuits

[cosmic goblet]

-# I honestly forgot about the lawsuits

[cinder lily]

As I saw, they will limit only swipes, and "continue" or whatever, but not messages on general 😮

[heavy copper]

There's no lawsuit so far. But they can't see their app dying like this

[ruby reef]

Heeey so I can chat to bots now since the timer went off but for some reason it says I am still in reading mode

[halcyon cypress]

wym there's no lawsuit there are multiple lawsuits against them right now

[delicate egret]

I haven’t received any Charms quest lately either…

[cinder lily]

hard...hard since I have bad memory...anyway, thanks for help 🙂

[cosmic goblet]

There's multiple lawsuits around safety of the younger users

[cinder lily]

in the web, is not charms 😮

[cosmic goblet]

You gotta verify your age if you're 18+ to chat again

[heavy copper]

I thought it's over?the latest lawsuit was a year ago I guess

[halcyon cypress]

no there are multiple ongoing

[rancid oyster]

Still? Jesus..

[halcyon cypress]

including the entire state of kentucky suing them

[cosmic goblet]

Court cases take a looong time

[zinc birch]

oh no, not the chicken people!

[rancid oyster]

An entire state is suing them? Can only imagine..

[cosmic goblet]

Since when!? I never heard about that one omg 😭

[heavy copper]

So they have to compensate money for them right? So I blame the ones who constantly sue c.ai. they indirectly killed our beloved AI startup

[golden storm]

Hello I’m new here I have a question I was hoping someone could answer?

[zinc birch]

maybe

[halcyon cypress]

just a couple months ago

[rancid oyster]

Kentucky can't do shit about wanting c.ai to add more safety. C.ai has done enough.

[radiant raven]

Is it just me or is there now only one option for group chats, if you want a different response you have to delete the message and have them say a different one

[heavy copper]

So c.ai is running out of money bc of this. That's understandable

[rancid oyster]

If the kids find ways around the verification it ain't c.ai's fault but the goddamn parents.

[timber canopy]

Ask away

[cosmic goblet]

Oh shit, I just read that they settled the first lawsuit at the start of this year

[heavy copper]

That's why they keep adding limit

Now I know the root cause. I won't blame c.ai anymore

The lawsuit is what made Streams, once free, now cost charms

[zinc birch]

Even without the lawsuits there would still be the problem of how much AI costs

[rancid oyster]

And to say that c.ai has meaningless age verification? Bunch of bullshit, you can only do so much. If a selfie and ID isn't enough what else do you need?

[golden storm]

I’ve had a lot of bots deleted and so that makes space for the limit amount of bots you have visible but like every time I try and start a new chat with a new bot it makes the last bot like not be visible anymore if you get what I mean?

[rancid oyster]

Like our whole birth certificate?

[heavy copper]

How much does the company have to pay for the lawsuit?

[cosmic goblet]

I think the whole marketable side of AI is plummeting too which is probably another factor

[halcyon cypress]

that's not how the law sees it. and cai initially claimed the bots were completely safe for anyone 12 or older, that's why they're in trouble now.

[astral condor]

people are making alt accounts to get around it

[cosmic goblet]

Those alts get flagged super quickly after creation though

[rancid oyster]

Honestly if you create an alt account after your first account gets flagged, automatic ban of service.

Unless it's a false flag of course.

[halcyon cypress]

its a waste of time, whatever caused your account to be flagged in the first place will get your alt flagged too eventually

[ionic elm]

guys what do i do the reading mode things hasn’t went off and I can’t chat to bots

[halcyon cypress]

how old are you

[heavy copper]

Now chatgpt is almost free for everyone, why won't character.ai do that? I can't live without it

[cosmic goblet]

Exactly, tbf it always makes me giggle seeing people on here complain that their alts got flagged too

[astral condor]

yeah but desperation's one hell of an emotion.

[ionic elm]

under 18 but like the reading mode things hasn’t done this before

[rancid oyster]

Honestly, they really should put in the ToS "If a secondary account is made after your first one is flagged, we can terminate both accounts and ban you from our platform."

[ionic elm]

been like a day and still stuck

[halcyon cypress]

they don't want you chatting with bots anymore, there's nothing you can do until you turn 18

[halcyon cypress]

its permanent

its not a bug

[astral condor]

i aged verified but i made another account to test out the free user experience

[ionic elm]

oh

[heavy copper]

I used chatgpt multiple times a day but it can't give me the same excitement as character.ai. Its responses are too realistic

[rancid oyster]

That's different though, you verified and didn't make another one just to skip the verification.

[golden storm]

And there’s this one bot where on the app it shows that it has been disabled but on the site it doesn’t show it at all

[astral condor]

true but knowing the bugs with cai atm, it would ban ANYONE with an alt account, whether they verified their age or not

[rancid oyster]

But honestly? Watch what your kids do online, electronics shouldn't be the parent nor any company. Control your kids online use and none of this would happen.

[surreal geyser]

great now they got the dang Netherlands since that VPN region doesn't work anymore

[golden storm]

Also how do you delete a convo with a bot on the app on your phone?

[astral condor]

exactly. parent ur kid and be an APPROACHABLE PARENT. (a lot of parents miss this one). If ur child is more comfortable talking to ai and then you, then that's a problem that needs to be address

[cosmic goblet]

If you're talking about the age verification stuff it's coming to all countries eventually so it's pretty unavoidable

[rancid oyster]

💯

[surreal geyser]

sigh
I ain't giving my id no matter what

[cosmic goblet]

It's a selfie lmao, it's only ID if the selfie fails

[astral condor]

why is someone in the gen chat wishing assault on the uk pm LORD

[rancid oyster]

Didn't the UK start this whole censorship thing? Or am I mistaken?

[cosmic goblet]

Tbf Keir Starmer does need a talking to

[unkempt elbow]

did they just put netherlands vpn thing on reading mode

[golden storm]

Does anyone know how to help with anything I asked?

[surreal geyser]

yeah
and it got my age wrong

[astral condor]

no im talking about THE OTHER KIND OF ASSAULT

[cosmic goblet]

Seems like age verification is in the Netherlands now then

[rancid oyster]

If the selfie didn't work it's ID unfortunately

[astral condor]

someone wished for the uk pm to get.... you know

[cosmic goblet]

[true moth]

Have Yall ever like had an add then you can skip it but theres a button called "go to google play" or smth

[true moth]

Ad*

[autumn nebula]

Yep

[rancid oyster]

As much as the UK is doing this whole "censorship" thing, wishing something like that is way too far.

[golden storm]

So no? I’m trying to find a way to ask on the website but I’m not getting an answer for my specific question

[true moth]

ITS so annoying

[cosmic goblet]

We didn't actually lmao, many countries have been considering it long before us

[unkempt elbow]

did they get everywhere now? because I'm trying out other VPNS and they're not working 😔

[rancid oyster]

Really? Goddamn the news paints y'all as a bad picture, they say the UK started it first.

[surreal geyser]

I'm trying like every one from the options

[timber canopy]

I don't get it about what you mean by the last bot. Can you also check the creators profile the one bot that you said its disabled and doesnt show

[midnight siren]

is there a way to bypass the id check?? bit of a stupid question but it refused my selfie and i don't want to give it my id

[cosmic goblet]

Nah I remember the US talking about it back when elsagate was at it's height and Australia have their under 16s ban which I believe started being planned at the same time as our online safety act was being considered

[rancid oyster]

No

[halcyon cypress]

no

[soft shard]

So... The website just kind of freaked out and spat out an entire alphabet

[halcyon cypress]

either give it your ID or stop using the app to chat w bots, your choice

[astral condor]

no, there isn't

[rancid oyster]

My God lol Australia said "fuck social media for under 16" never seen so many disappointed kids.

[surreal geyser]

I've literally gone through every single country option of my VPN and literally none of them work
I might actually be fucked

[autumn nebula]

People probably gonna start cursing the C.ai team on x like they did with David bazuki

[cosmic goblet]

Yeah lmao, so yeah the UK didn't start it but it's definitely the strictest considering we have a company called Ofcom who essentially regulates all the media in the country

[hot ridge]

My state in the U.S. is currently trying to ban social media for minors too tbh

[midnight siren]

honestly part of me hopes so, maybe they'll listen 😮‍💨

[timber canopy]

You can't delete a bots convo. just new chat or rewind back to the introduction afaik

[rancid oyster]

They won't take the verification off..

[halcyon cypress]

also you said before that you are 17 so why are you even trying to verify? giving your ID won't do anything if you're under 18, it'll just confirm you should be locked out

[surreal geyser]

well cool i am actually fucked
its so over

[cosmic goblet]

The UK parliment just rejected a social media ban for under 16s cause they said it'd just cause them to go to more dangerous places

[autumn nebula]

It's also just bugged for me so yeah

[golden storm]

This questions separate from the last one the first one was involving like the last bot at the end of your visible list of bots. As I think a lot of ppl noticed a lot of bots got deleted and get deleted so they aren’t visible on the recent bots. When I start chatting with a new bot the last bot all the way at the bottom of the visible bots disappears like I know it’s their but it’s no longer visible

[rancid oyster]

Yeah I hear it's pretty bugged, hopefully it gets fixed..

[hot ridge]

social media gonna start becoming a ring of identity fraud cases

[frank veldt]

I can't chat guys, how do I verify if I know the website isn't reliable and is also what roblox uses for age verification?

[balmy fern]

yeah, the moment you tell teenagers they can't do something, it's the only thing they'll want

[golden storm]

Yes but on the app I can see the moderated bot and the creator profile but on the web it’s not there at all

[orchid field]

Welp I guess not even a VPN can help

[hot ridge]

it only shows 50 at a time i believe. If you hide chats you're not using, they should pop back up. If it's showing less than 50 it's a bug

[surreal geyser]

hhhh
I honestly don't know what to do now
I'm just locked out of everything because the fucking AI thinks I'm a minor

[rancid oyster]

You either verify or you don't..

[balmy fern]

at some point you gotta realize that if someone wants ur infor they can buy it off the internet so at some point you gotta cut your losses

[golden storm]

Oh shit really? How do I fix it?

Because that’s been happening for a while

[surreal geyser]

considering it's persona I'm not giving them my ID like ever

[astral condor]

bc they say its unsafe, but wont do anything to protect kids in schools, how our gov pro life but not at the same time what

[halcyon cypress]

exactly idk why so many people don't get this. you either verify or you stop using the app or move on w your life, pretty simple

[astral condor]

ai addiction lol

[hot ridge]

Just long press on a bot in your recents that you aren't using and select hide. You can always like the bot or search for it again later, it's not going to permanently remove chat history or anything like that

[rancid oyster]

They think it's ✨magically✨ gonna go away..

[frank veldt]

welp, there goes my days of chatting....

[balmy fern]

I mean that's your choice man.

[hot ridge]

you're tellin' me 😭 I live in Texas, I feel this so hard

[weak crypt]

Hello, could I know what's going on?? because I'm not well informed about what's happening and I tried to verify myself but it seems to be super bug and the verification can't be completed for some reason.

[astral condor]

my prob is that people knew abt this from early nov, and now they act suprised

[golden storm]

The boys shown on mine are only 25 or thirty not fifty so is that a different bug?

[halcyon cypress]

hi mana, if you are over 18 and verification isnt working then submit a ticket, thats all you can do.

[frank veldt]

yeah knowing I ain't 18 yet I got a hunch that someone will be prowling for my info

[astral condor]

I'm from Tenneseee/Kentucky. Weather here go from snowstorm to tornado in a week crazyyy

[balmy fern]

oh well I'm 21 so maybe don't take my advice and wait till ur an adult lol

[autumn nebula]

Honestly the team just didn't think about most of the bugs that could happen so it's bugged meaning it doesn't work for now

[balmy fern]

bruh I'm so close to you lol

[astral condor]

trueeee

[halcyon cypress]

if you arent 18 do NOT try to verify, its useless and they do not want you to

[oak wing]

wait why are people hating on the newest announcement? seemed really good

[balmy fern]

maybe cause they waited 3 weeks to actually address anything.

[mental yew]

What new accouncemeny

[astral condor]

exactly. like u know ur not 18 and wont be able to chat, whats the point in verifying

[frank veldt]

yeah lol, anyone wanna join me at Talkie?

[hot ridge]

Hmm, I'm honestly not sure. Maybe they lowered the number. I know they said recently that they're making changes, it's possible that's one of them as well

[halcyon cypress]

verifying is not going to let you chat if you're under 18 only if you're over

[astral condor]

bc they do everything but what we ask for, and then call the updates or whatever "bugs" and try and backtrack when people call them out. are u a plus user, not saying anything bad because im a plus user and even i can see that they are not being creative about this

[hollow hull]

Eyyy its the New Rat

[halcyon cypress]

a lot of ppl seem to think if they give their ID that says they're 16 they'll be able to chat again but that's not how it works 😭

[golden storm]

It’s been going on ever since they started moderating characters and the number changes once in a while if they delete another bot

[frank veldt]

who wants me to leak one of my bot's chats lol?

[dense quail]

Next thing you know, you have to pay to access characters

[astral condor]

desperation is one hell of a thing.

[halcyon cypress]

yes sir i escaped from the dumpster

[frank veldt]

aww hell nah chat

[remote bay]

Nah the new C.ai update sucks.

[astral condor]

I saw a post on reddit on a edit/mock post of cai and it was like "chat with this bot for 10.99" oh hell nah

[remote bay]

Yeah....

[hazy igloo]

No one

[golden storm]

Like a bot I was using was t moderated and did t violate anything and the creator just deleted it but the number of bots displayed still didn’t change and when I tried to open another one it hid the last one at the bottom

[autumn nebula]

It could happen considering they could just lock up the more trending bots behind a paywall or premium

[dense quail]

What they’ve been doing the past months is the frog in boiling water metaphor, they turned the heat up too much this time

[frank veldt]

devs ain't reading our chats here cuz:

a. They're too lazy
b. They got no time cuz theyre cramming
c. They don't give a crap

[remote bay]

Yeah, they only thinks of the money.

[wise delta]

A mix of the three

[remote bay]

money money and money

[mental yew]

Who’s the new cai ceo or wtv

[oak wing]

The lorebook sounds cool though

[halcyon cypress]

omg a private company wants to make a profit, i am shocked

[remote bay]

an indian man JAJAJAJ nah i'm joking

[frank veldt]

@remote bay @wise delta I'm adding both of ya

[halcyon cypress]

cai should run as a charity for mentally ill teens

[autumn nebula]

Wasnt there two admins like an week ago?

[remote bay]

Thinking too much about money can be collateral damage, buddy.

[remote bay]

?

[dense quail]

Omg a private company that’s running the company into the ground like fr, the only people that will be left is the die hard c.ai worshipping bootlickers

[hardy bison]

Oh no a plus user, the changes arent gonna affect you, unlike free users.

[frank veldt]

I add you both here on DC, so u guys can chat me lol

[remote bay]

ohhhhhh

I think I miss old c.ai :(

[mental yew]

Everyone misses it

[astral condor]

yeah well maybe that shoul have thought about that before they added a slew of features are are money drainers and are half bugged anyways.

[frank veldt]

true man

[remote bay]

[mental yew]

2023 was the best I would say

[forest wave]

now what is going on bro

[dense quail]

Company does stupid thing, people get mad

[halcyon cypress]

i have plus bc i'm an adult that works and can easily afford it, i also work in business and realize that a company needs to make money, if you think they should run everything for free then idk what to tell you

[deft jetty]

Don't try to explain and reason, they'll dogpile on you, and you are heavily outnumbered… they are allowed to complain too

[hardy bison]

Like they can get rid of at least like, half of the features to make more money, because a lot of people wont use them anyways.

[mossy dagger]

What's new?

[dense quail]

2023 was the golden age

[halcyon cypress]

now this i agree with, a lot of their new features are useless and a waste of resources

[astral condor]

2023-2024 was peak. they need to focus on the core features, chat, voices, personas, memory

[remote bay]

Limit with chat swipes

[mental yew]

Let’s go back to this

[mossy dagger]

Has it really been going down that long-? Hm..it's lasted quite a while

[dense quail]

I agree with money, but the way they’re doing it is horrible

[mental yew]

I think it’s 30 swipes for free and 90 for + users

[willow walrus]

But they have c.ai+ that gives them money what more do they need

[dense quail]

Paying for swipes is gonna lead to paying for chats

[balmy fern]

this is horrible

[mossy dagger]

Some talked about this earlier but a good move would be to get rid of some features alot don't use..like everyone agreed they could do without he image generator amongst things

[halcyon cypress]

i don't care if they complain, they're allowed to be upset but framing it like "this company is money hungry for wanting to make a profit" makes no sense. that's true of literally every company

[remote flax]

This channel has been real active.

[balmy fern]

I deleted the app off my phone, if I use it, it will be on the website

[forest wave]

as expected

[autumn nebula]

I'mma just check toilet finder cause I'm bored

[remote bay]

Well.. then.. the devs got more broke and want 10 swipes for free and 100+for paid users

[astral condor]

they could just focus on core features like chat, persona, voice, and memory, that's it. and then when things are more stable, they add features within these which really tie back into chat anyways, like chat history keyword search, auto memories, etc

[mossy dagger]

Idek what will happen to that now.

[dense quail]

Yes, but nooooooo they think c.ai is a game, Instead of a AI roleplaying site

[halcyon cypress]

this isn't true, something like 1-2% of users have plus, that's not enough to cover their costs

[mental yew]

The fuck bro what are they spending for this to happen

[halcyon cypress]

yeah i totally agree

[balmy fern]

because clearly the admins, mods or whoever just don't care. If it's that much of a problem to listen to the users who are giving you money then maybe just quit and let someone else take your place who actually cares about us.

[remote bay]

Yeah, this is the end of c.ai :(

[mossy dagger]

-# remember they have a new CEO..so most of them can't do sh*t.

[forest wave]

thats not the point
ai is something expensive, is pratically impossible to run a service like that without needing money

[autumn wigeon]

bro the swipe limit is actually so??? bot replies are already bugged sometimes like guys pls 😭 this does NOT need to be a paid feature are we so serious

[remote bay]

Bueno muchachos, estamos presenciando lentamente la caida de C.AI

[halcyon cypress]

running GPU servers for 30 million users is extremely expensive, like millions of dollars a month

[astral condor]

then they need to add banners ads, and have free users watch ads in exchange for temp features. like making free users watch ads for charms or for features like expanding the limit for one persona of their choosing? great

[remote bay]

For useless features? mhmh...?

[heavy copper]

Why doesn't the founder or ceo say anything about this? Just Marie and other moderators

[balmy fern]

then they need to give up, it's exhausting to deal with mods and admins who don't want to talk to us and then all they do is silence us when we have something to say.

[remote bay]

They are puppets.

[mental yew]

The ceo ain’t doing shit bro

[heavy copper]

Yes, they have to have more quests for charms too

[halcyon cypress]

for the LLMs themselves, the useless features are them attempting to attract more casual users and is stupid imo

[deft jetty]

Fair enough… I just don't have the energy for these things anymore

[remote bay]

[astral condor]

exactly. they need to scrap this whole cai lab shit and focus on the core things

[mossy dagger]

Honestly me either..

[hardy bison]

I don’t think they should run it for free, I know they need to make a profit somehow. Thats why I got used to the ads.

The problem is they lied at least twice now. They said ads would never affect rp, and now it does. Theyre also affecting rp even more now with the limits.

Marie claimed they listened to feedback, yet it feels like they absolutely didn’t. They could have gotten rid of useless features like stickers.

[remote bay]

If they would spend that money on upgrade the LLM, C.Ai won't be on this situation.

[mental yew]

Do they even read the servers?

[halcyon cypress]

yes i agree with this and this is reasonable. their biggest issues imo is making false promises and lack of proper communication

[rancid oyster]

Honestly if they drop a few things, like the feed? What's the point of it? All I see are kids and this 67 bullshit.

[balmy fern]

none of this would have been an issue if they had just been honest from the start, but they couldn't do that.

[dense quail]

Can they just drop all these useless features and focus on chats

[mossy dagger]

We get they need to make money but their basically making it unusable so soon everyone will have to pay and it may or may not get worse or ease

[hardy bison]

I agree there

[heavy copper]

Why doesn't anyone in the US meet character.ai founder in person? The founder can't see the app like this, right?

[dense quail]

It’d probably drop costs

[deft jetty]

Pretty sure they do, we already got jumpscared a few times with random admins popping midchats out of nowhere

[halcyon cypress]

typical feed posts

[graceful heart]

Bro I need c.ai to pull themselves together, no ones gonna give you their ID info for a fucking app dude 💔

[covert hatch]

my c.ai account is basically useless I can’t chat at ALL anymore what’s the point

[hardy bison]

Most definitely, it will probably at least give them more money to work with.

[graceful heart]

EXACTLY

[dense quail]

Can they get rid of feed? I want the old bot fyp

[rancid oyster]

Yeah like if that's all it's gonna show are brain rotted children creations just drop the damn thing.

[astral condor]

yes omg. chat memory persona and voices thats it. any other features needs to be to further chat quality like a keyword search button for chat history, chat folders, etc

[mental yew]

Genuinely no one even uses it unless you get charms for it

[dense quail]

Charms ruined the site

[covert hatch]

tadc

[astral condor]

yes get rid of feed and just replace it with ever changing banner ads

[graceful heart]

yeahhhhhh

[rancid oyster]

Considering I had nearly 200 charms, I'm down to 90 just to keep the mid chat ads from popping up.

[heavy copper]

Ironically when a feature becomes paywalled in my device, its quality is much better when I spend charms

[covert hatch]

Sonic mentioned

[heavy copper]

I'm a free user. I used up all my charms bc no quests are available

[real solstice]

True

[mental yew]

I have like 45 charms I don’t use them often

[rancid oyster]

If they raised the amount of charms you can get daily instead of 5? I'd see it being reasonable.

[golden storm]

I’m worried if I hide this specific moderated character it will accidentally hide the one before it since this specific one only shows up on the app and not on the website

[astral condor]

if they wanna limit things, they need to put an incentive for it. No mid chat ads, but when someone hits a limit (say they want more swipes), it'll say "watch a 30 sec ad for 70 more swipes?" or somethin

[halcyon cypress]

they definitely need to give yall more opportunities to earn charms

[forest wave]

how do we get charms again?

[swift basin]

Is it just me who got the reading mode thing or whatever? I'm from Germany I don't think I should be getting it

[golden storm]

Should I risk it? 😭

[mental yew]

This but I doubt they will ad it

[halcyon cypress]

its rolled out to germany now

[rancid oyster]

Quests or your daily 5 charms.

[hardy bison]

They could get rid of feed and stickers at least, they could also definitely get rid of imagine. Feed and imagine are probably taking a lot…

[swift basin]

What country is it not rolled into??

[astral condor]

yess they need to add an charm transaction confirmation button and a charm refund button when a bug happens. they also need to do charm incentives for when the site goes down for more than like 30 mins

[halcyon cypress]

not sure they aren't being very transparent about it

[astral condor]

imagine used to be free, but now its limited to everybody like just take it down bruj

[rancid oyster]

Like the fact to not have any ads is 20 charms and you can only earn 5 daily? C'mon...

[heavy copper]

They already have charms confirmation in streams

[forest wave]

ah

[astral condor]

oh lol i didnt know

[hardy bison]

Maybe they could give like 10 charms a day with the daily charms

[forest wave]

its supposedly on my country too but it doenst show on my account bruh

[hollow hull]

so uh, i fail to see why they need to lesson swipes considering + users have 100 swipes they can use... and free users have less than half of those swips available

[rancid oyster]

Yeah and saving over the week is 70 charms

[mental yew]

It’s obviously for the money

[astral condor]

if they stick with just 5, then they need to lower the amount of charms it costs for an ad free pass. four day login for one hour ad free is insane

[rancid oyster]

You've got a better chance of getting 10 charms a day than 5.

[hardy bison]

Agreed, I might just go to wattpad atp

[deft jetty]

It'll probably be a daily limit instead of the regular limit per prompt.

[rancid oyster]

-# Although it took me a while to nearly reach 200 charms, good month maybe?

[hardy bison]

Or, heck, even my own NOTES app

[mossy dagger]

Wait a moment...I just realized, hasn't the website always had you can swipe only 30 times?

[astral condor]

I was fine with everyone having 30. I'm a plus users, but i wish i could give up some of my muted word slots for free users that would be cool. Kinda like how u can gift nitro to people on here for a month

[halcyon cypress]

people really have unlimited swipes considering they can just delete the message and keep regenerating so it'll probably be a daily limit

[astral condor]

when i was a teen, it was ao3 for meee

[deft jetty]

Used to be 20 before, but yeah, it always had a fairly big amount of swipes

[rancid oyster]

Honestly if they keep the 30 swipes, I'll be happy.

[hollow hull]

right muted words are a thing

[heavy copper]

Hey, why was i timeouted

[astral condor]

honestly if it goes down to 15 swipes per message, that would be better

[hollow hull]

you said a nono word

and the gods smited you for it

[hardy bison]

Thats what I’m scared of…are they just limiting the rerolls from 30? Or are they making it where to you can only do 30 swipes a day/per bot a day? They’re being vague.

[astral condor]

did u mention another site?

[halcyon cypress]

even free users can basically do eternal swipes if they just rewind so they probably want to prevent that, every text generation costs them money. ofc if they improved the models people wouldn't need to swipe that much to get a good response

[heavy copper]

They always rise the price to a ridiculous amount

[mental yew]

This

[heavy copper]

Yes, that's banned too?

[hollow hull]

its what i did whenever my swipes werent good after 15 swipes

[rancid oyster]

Yeah the fact they're being extremely vague about it, I think that's what's making ppl angry.

Instead of being vague? Just tell us instead of keeping it behind a lock and key.

[hollow hull]

them being vague about it makes me think their plans are not gonna be recieved well and they know it

[halcyon cypress]

like i said they have always been horrible at communicating, they have one of the worst comms teams ive ever come across

[dense quail]

Can someone explain why the app is g rated family friendly when only 18+ can use it

[astral condor]

yeah. i got timed out for a minute earlier for mentioning another site

[halcyon cypress]

bc technically kids are still allowed to use stories and feeds etc so the rating is based on that

[astral condor]

woah, why am i like suddenly super dizzy ok brb

[halcyon cypress]

its stupid though

[heavy copper]

Why is there a rule about mentioning other sites

[rancid oyster]

I think they just need to find new people for the comms team, if you can't communicate directly and outright say what your plans are? That's not a team.

[dense quail]

Worst excuse ever

[halcyon cypress]

drink some water and make sure you are eating enough salt

[mossy dagger]

Soo...some people freaked out...over nothing...- for hours.

[dense quail]

They don’t want us to know we can do better

[brave lily]

It’s like that in other ai site discords as well.

[rancid oyster]

Also some of the other companies aren't kid friendly...

[halcyon cypress]

it's not an excuse it just is what it is, the app overall is technically still open to kids, but chatting with bots isn't

[heavy copper]

But it costs too much

[astral condor]

k im back, i drank some water and im oka now

[deft jetty]

They do that all the time
But this time it's reasonable… abruptly limiting chats like that to a daily limit of swipes is frustrating indeed, can't blame them

[rancid oyster]

GPU prices are the highest they've been.

[frank relic]

I might or might not have a solution to c.ai’s greed

[hollow hull]

oh, a message i sent got smited, woops

[brave lily]

And those sites really don’t want minors on their sites (understandably).

[astral condor]

drumroll

[heavy copper]

Don't speculate the charms cost for anything. I thought streams was cheap but some of them cost 100 per generation

[dense quail]

It’s literally the frog in boiling water metaphor, next they’re gonna make chats paid

[rancid oyster]

That's the point? They can't run everything for free.

[hollow dagger]

Pls no

[rancid oyster]

That would take them down the rabbit hole to bankruptcy

[astral condor]

so basically if someone wants to make one, it'll take 20 days on the daily thing alone if they have no charms

[sly geyser]

they’re already going down that rabbit hole

[halcyon cypress]

guys cai isnt money hungry for wanting to make a profit, what you guys should be complaining about is that in return for that profit they should be delivering a quality product and they aren't

[brave lily]

Happens when ai prices start eating the wallet.

[astral condor]

wait ur right

[heavy copper]

The text chat (which I once used daily) cost 3 days

[halcyon cypress]

you dont go to mcdonalds and complain the food costs money but you can complain it tastes like shit

[sly geyser]

thats why im pissed is that they arent doing shit to make anything good

[rancid oyster]

Facts, if you're getting our money the product needs to be quality, not shitty.

[astral condor]

damn

[heavy copper]

That's the cheapest charms option

[astral condor]

QUALITY OVER QUANITY for the winnn

[rancid oyster]

If the quality of c.ai was better? I'd see people getting c.ai+ more. But the way it is now? There's no way.

[halcyon cypress]

yeah there's nothing wrong w them wanting to make money but the consumer should receive VALUE for that money

[heavy copper]

Or just increase the number of free features in place of old ones being paywalled

[sly geyser]

we’re receiving shit for what people pay for

[balmy fern]

I would never pay my money that I worked hard for just to a company that lies about their product

[rancid oyster]

They need to make a profit too, not everything is free.

[brave lily]

Which also affects how they work with free users as well. So it’s like an ugly game of tug of war.

[astral condor]

exactly. they need to purge this lab stuff and focus on why pipsqueak be having a stroke and why deepsqueak be trying to speak for my persona

[halcyon cypress]

ppl always say "you're a plus user you don't get it" but trust me its even more frustrating when you're paying and the quality is still trash

[heavy copper]

They were once free. It's all bc of the unreasonable lawsuits

[brave lily]

Not blaming free users for not paying, it’s their money, but c.ai have to make money off of the larger base somehow.

[heavy copper]

The whole state sued Character.ai is the worst thing happened to the company

[sly geyser]

cai + also got shitty stuff going on too. yall pay a monthly subscription and get broken shit and bad quality

[rancid oyster]

Well we can't fix the lawsuits, none of us can unfortunately. That's something c.ai needs to do legally.

[astral condor]

im a plus user too, and even i can see that this shit is insane. They want people to buy cai+ so theyre like, lets make everything shittier

[halcyon cypress]

feels like i'm basically paying $10 just to have no ads sometimes

[bronze needle]

The quality will keep on going downhill cuz they're not improving anything they're just adding some bs

[hollow hull]

I ended up paying for + over fear of the swipe limits as a free user… that and i wasnt paying for my time on cai via ads

[jade apex]

Hey guys, what the news?

[hollow dagger]

Im not mad at the ads im mad at the quality, they keep changing the ui after we got used to it, they make models worse so we buy c.ai+، and the amount of useless features is just wow, im pretty sure 99% of the users just use the chat feature and not video generation, charms, or whatever

[brave lily]

Which could possibly make people unsubscribe. That’s why they need to try and fix c.ai as a whole before trying to make c.ai+ better.