💭︱cai-discussion

[unborn grove]

I just didn't know what to say. I'm a dry texter 😭

[keen flare]

Are you in the US?

[ruby vine]

Im in Europe.

[ember goblet]

No I. In uk

[unborn grove]

Canada

[ember goblet]

🍕🇬🇧🍕

[keen flare]

Outside of the US can't verify yet you have to wait, it's going to roll out globally in the coming months

[ember goblet]

Pizzas

[unborn grove]

bruh, I can't wait months😭

[ruby vine]

Grammar?

[still jetty]

😅

[unborn grove]

huh?

[ruby vine]

You said I can’t wait months.

[unborn grove]

yes

[ruby vine]

You prob mean: i cant wait for the coming months.

[keen flare]

-_-

[unborn grove]

Oh, my bad english is not my first

[lapis crystal]

get your early popcorn here for the show folks🍿

[keen flare]

Btw ur sentence wasn't wrong 😭

[ruby vine]

But the grammar is.

[deft jetty]

grammar cop

[ruby vine]

.

[unborn grove]

thank u. I try my best

[deft jetty]

Pay him no mind, your english is perfectly understandable

[keen flare]

Dw gng u did well 🥹

[unborn grove]

😄

[fallen wharf]

Anyone else having issues with the id verify?

[queen kiln]

Why is this even happening in the first place😔🥀

[sharp gorge]

California laws

[keen flare]

Bcs of laws

[fallen wharf]

Because parents are getting greedy and want easy money

[queen kiln]

Buy gold bye

[fallen wharf]

They're out here neglecting their kids and then suing

[queen kiln]

That’s sad tbh 😔

[spare glacier]

I don’t have to verify if I’m not asked correct?

[fallen wharf]

Don't you find it a little suspicious that every issue has the same exact set up as that one boy with the house of the dragons bot

[keen flare]

Correct...

[sharp gorge]

???

[jade otter]

Can i talk about the upd here?

[dusk carbon]

there are grown ass men using c.ai??

[placid frigate]

sure

[dusk carbon]

also what is the point of this

[jade otter]

So tbh they should have done was that they allowed us to have a day where we can chat any cai characters

Instead of completely shutting down people from using it

[sharp gorge]

Protecting kids and because of new California laws

[dusk carbon]

oh well ive already made an 18+ alt ill start from scratch there

[sour elm]

Exactlyyyy

[jade otter]

Dude how

[placid frigate]

i made a new acc honestly

[dusk carbon]

log out make a new account

[fallen wharf]

They kids have depression and the parents sue character ai after their child withdrawals from people and end up committing.

It's the same thing as that one boy and that one bot

[jade otter]

Do i need to do jt on a new phone?

[winged marsh]

I got the identification to work because I'm turning 18 soon but it makes me as minor so yippee it sees me as 18 ☺️

[sour elm]

Like, this whole update is just a whole load of bs...

[placid frigate]

use another email

[jade otter]

all my emails isnt working for some reason

[sharp gorge]

I see

[sour elm]

Luckkyyyy

[fallen wharf]

It can't even read my ID

[fringe current]

how long can you go without verifying your age even if you have an 18+ account

[winged marsh]

Sadly there's nothing we can do because of laws and a potential lawsuit if they don't

[fallen wharf]

It literally says I'm turning 21 next year

[winged marsh]

Unsure

[jade otter]

Wait people die from cai?

[winged marsh]

Dang 😔...

[jade otter]

Danm yu unc

[sour elm]

But I don't wanna wait 3 years to tuen 18 😭 😭 😭

[sharp gorge]

You don't have any limit

[winged marsh]

Sadly that will have to be the case

[jade otter]

I need to wait 4 more years

[winged marsh]

But things like writing can help fill the hole!

[stiff matrix]

hello everyone, i'm sorry I wanna ask something about In-app payment. I've paid, but my profile hasn't been upgraded to the plus category. why??

[ruby vine]

Well, too bad cause in 4 months I become 18.

[winged marsh]

Try reloading the app?

[jade otter]

Lucky

[sharp gorge]

Open it up again

[stiff matrix]

yes, I already closes and open up again

[winged marsh]

Then I'm unsure. Sorry 😔

[dire berry]

Have you tried clicking on Restore?

[jade otter]

Should I actually get my shits together and figure out how?

[sharp gorge]

No

[fallen wharf]

So apparently the persona site doesn't like IDs that are vertical

[placid frigate]

idk if i can trust the persona thing

[winged marsh]

Ikr? Took me a few tries

[sharp gorge]

You can. Persona is used in many big company

[still jetty]

But right now they verity age is not working good!
Is to buggy

[stiff matrix]

I successfully paid for my subscription, but then I went back to my settings to cancel the subscription so my money wouldn't be deducted next month. Does that mean my account won't be upgraded?

[placid frigate]

yea but what if like theres another leak again

[fallen wharf]

The camera stopped working

[sharp gorge]

Persona doesn't have any known leak

[placid frigate]

i tho there was?

[stiff matrix]

I successfully paid for my subscription, but then I went back to my settings to cancel the subscription so my money wouldn't be deducted next month. Does that mean my account won't be upgraded?

[sharp gorge]

There isn't. Where did you saw that ??

[willow veldt]

Hey everyone I just want to ask what the hell is this new chat UI? I can't even find the history of my chats with a bot. Did they removed this feature? I've been using character ai for 2 years.

[placid frigate]

i think it was fake news then

[sharp gorge]

You can look it up there's no official article talking about it. And if it was true, I don't think cai would use it. Same for Amazon, Etsy..

[sour elm]

Fuck it, I might ask my mom if I can like, use her id...

[sharp gorge]

Don't

[prisma crypt]

So how long do yall think c.ai will stay up after it removes everyone? Cuz financially, losing like 60% of the userbase has gotta hurt

[willow veldt]

Where can I find it then if it's still there?

[sour elm]

Don't ask her?

[dire berry]

I don't think so. If you've successfully paid, then you have the subscription for a month now.

[sharp gorge]

Minors aren't the ones giving cai money lmao

[placid frigate]

downfall idk

[fallen wharf]

I finally got the stupid persona thing to work

[sharp gorge]

Yup. Cause imagine if something happens to you because your mom broke the law by letting you use her id to use cai, it'll be on cai's back
Plus the new update it there because of new California laws

[prisma crypt]

But they're still losing all that money from adds via the mobile app, and a significant dip in usage hurts anything

[fallen wharf]

So we're fear mongering now?

[sharp gorge]

Minors are at least 40% of users btw

[sour elm]

I mean, not to like, get c.ai plus, just to get verified though

[pseudo monolith]

mariah carey

[prisma crypt]

Oh, well then it's not as bad. Still gonna hurt lol

[sharp gorge]

Bruh

[sharp gorge]

I didn't said that. I'm just saying it's California laws

[fallen wharf]

Yeah but telling people something is going to happen to their parents is fear mongering

[sharp gorge]

I never said something was going to happen to their parents either

[fallen wharf]

Interesting you said "I never said something will happen to their parents"

[sharp gorge]

Where do you even see that ?

[fallen wharf]

Reread your message

[sharp gorge]

"it'll be on cai's back" re again

[fallen wharf]

You're not going to be able to gaslight me

[sharp gorge]

Lmao I'm not even trying to ?

[prisma crypt]

OH MY GOD he means when you said "imagine your mom broke a law"
Holy shit guys can we js read

[fallen wharf]

Exactly

[placid frigate]

i feel like this is c.ai downfall

[fallen wharf]

It's literally text book fear mongering

[halcyon cypress]

yeah parents are not criminally liable unless they actively helped the child access the content, then they would be. technically the minor could be but that basically never happens in practice. more likely they just get banned.

[sharp gorge]

Follow by "it'll be on cai's back" where do you find the "your mom will be in trouble !"

[pseudo monolith]

67

[halcyon cypress]

people have literally been saying that since 2022 lol

[sharp gorge]

Maria CARRY

[placid frigate]

idkshiwqupidexpow

[prisma crypt]

I doubt it'll shut down immediately but it's probably gonna hurt them some. And at some point some kind of exploit will come out and nothing will have mattered

[pseudo monolith]

yes i carried the entire team 💋

[fallen wharf]

I hope you realise 67 originates from police code meaning "death on scene"

[pseudo monolith]

67

[eternal flame]

My sonar dispatch bots explode with popularity 14 likes, 1.1k interaction holy hell...

[prisma crypt]

I js gotta wait for the hax to come out, because I am NOT giving up my info, regardless of safety. You js never know

[halcyon cypress]

realistically why would it hurt them?

[placid frigate]

i mean losing like half their community

[prisma crypt]

Because it's loss off interaction and money, it'll hurt to varying degree. I now know that it's not the biggest percent but losing money is still losing money

[halcyon cypress]

half their community that contributes nothing financially and is a drain on resources

[placid frigate]

im pretty sure there are minors that have c.ai plus

[halcyon cypress]

a few but vast majority of teen users do not

[placid frigate]

some adults dont use c.ai plus

[halcyon cypress]

they are the least likely to have money and the most likely to cause legal issues

[placid frigate]

rude but sure

[prisma crypt]

He's not wrong, kids suck

[sharp gorge]

Lol

[halcyon cypress]

like 5 different families are currently suing CAI claiming that the bots groomed and were "sexually abusive" to their children. hosting adult users doesn't come with that kind of risk or liability

[placid frigate]

because they don't use it properly obviously

[sharp gorge]

As if it was cai's fault

[tulip pollen]

And also I wanna know how kids got to that point in a conversation with a bot because you yes the user are the one controlling the chat

[placid frigate]

some r sensible enough but others not so much

[still jetty]

Grooming over ai ?
Are we serious?

[halcyon cypress]

the law doesn't see it that way, they consider it the company's job to keep minors who use the app safe. but CAI can't do that without making the censor so strict it basically ruins the RP experience

[wooden obsidian]

I don't understand how The bots did that to them? Couldn't they have just edited the message The bot sent??? Or they could've started a new chat

[halcyon cypress]

idk apparently the kids were traumatized just from seeing the message

[placid frigate]

they could have just reported it

[sharp gorge]

Wasn't it their fault in the first place to get to that point ? Because seriously they control the roleplay

[wooden obsidian]

that too

[kind forum]

ye

[halcyon cypress]

yes but again parents and lawmakers don't see it that way, they blame CAI. so honestly i understand why they're choosing to just not let minors chat anymore atp

[sharp gorge]

ROOOO HELLO 🎀

[kind forum]

hi

[sharp gorge]

Fr

[kind forum]

Ain't that a sad truth...

[deft jetty]

When you don't know how AI works, you don't realize that at first. I'm an adult and yet it took me a while to figure out how things worked and that I could realistically control the plot.
-# even though the swipe function was there all this time

[sharp gorge]

I agree but when you know how it works it's a sadly different story..

[unkempt elbow]

It's the kids fault like they decide how the chat goes, they control everything and pretty much the whole roleplay

[halcyon cypress]

yeah, it's sad for the minors who do use it responsibly and don't get traumatized over a bad message and know you can just swipe or edit but all it takes is enough kids parents suing to ruin it for everyone else

[woven coral]

Look imma be so real, I think it's genuinely on the parents with this one

I mean, they don't wanna take care of their kids and kids want to be stupid. So C.ai had to step in

[placid frigate]

because of some minors that just dont use it with responsibility

[long lintel]

^^ Can confirm

[sharp gorge]

Also they are to watch what kids do on their phone.

[kind forum]

Really don't understand why they needed AI age verification tho

like the thing is nowhere near correct most of the time so I really don't know who it's going to stop

[placid frigate]

plus i have a baby face

[halcyon cypress]

new law in california requiring it unfortunately

[deft jetty]

I still think that if it came to that point, it's purely the very parents's fault for not paying attention to their kids and what they are doing.
Suing c.ai is literally blaming someone else for your own incompetence as a parent.

[still jetty]

I have baby face but good thing I have id
In case happens
But my verify is not working right now 🙁

[kind forum]

Of course California would do that
they suck

[still jetty]

California ugh .

[halcyon cypress]

i keep telling people blame gavin newsom not the CEO lol

[woven coral]

I mean, C.ai quite literally offered parental controls

[placid frigate]

its the parents fault not cai

[pulsar field]

Hello

[sharp gorge]

It's their fault. Parents are irresponsible

[kind forum]

And what makes all of this worse is ✨lack of dev transparency✨

[woven coral]

Exactly

[mighty gust]

OK random... Uhm

What if you're 18 and have a baby face?

Bc... yeah, the age verification didn't work for me.😭

And I feel like they just want your information rather than protecting kids from who knows what

[placid frigate]

parents refuse to take responsibility and look whats happening now

[halcyon cypress]

i will say its not always the parents fault, like some parents are single parents and they work and its basically impossible to monitor your kids 24/7, and even if you could people would say thats an invasion of privacy. for the minors here be honest, would you really want your parents constantly looking through your stuff and going through your phone, reading all your chats, etc.?

[wooden obsidian]

Yeah, My dad had to monitor my brothers C.AI after he learned My brother had it 🫩

-# also because he's been Texting explicit messages to a bot?????

[placid frigate]

ykw it thought i was 10 years old and i wasn't

[woven coral]

There is quite literally parental controls. There is no good goddamn reason the parents couldn't have set it up if they work so often

[kind forum]

Then uh frick you you're a child now because stupid bot said so aha lmao

[mighty gust]

I hate this dude 😭🙏

[pulsar field]

Abt the memory, it's improved or not It's been a while I'm not using

[mighty gust]

I wish they had a different way of verification

[woven coral]

I thought they were going to verify via ID?

[placid frigate]

u hate me or the verification thing

[sharp gorge]

First selfie, if failed then id

[woven coral]

This is what I was under the impression of

[mighty gust]

The age verification, I don't think it's even for age tbh, like they js want information.. Like it's kinda weird they want your face or something

[kind forum]

Yeah exactly

[placid frigate]

fr

[rare obsidian]

What are we talking about?

[woven coral]

Damn, well I already have an adult account since I used to pay for C.ai

[kind forum]

C.ai is sucks

[placid frigate]

the c.ai under 18 ban

[mighty gust]

Age verification thing

[mystic canopy]

if selfie verification doesnt work u can still do it with your id, so youre not completely cooked with a babyface

[rare obsidian]

Ohhh

[woven coral]

Which I'm sure with enough verifications for my age

[halcyon cypress]

the only thing the parental controls do is allow your parent to see how much time you're spending on the app and which bots you chat with most, it doesn't tell them what kind of conversations you're having or anything like that

[woven coral]

That's when you log on to their account and see what they're doing

[kind forum]

Nobody wants to give their ID to clanker app bro do you realize how common data breaches are

[mighty gust]

I'm seriously thinking of using a different but similar app, because c.ai is kinda flopping a bit. I miss the old c.ai

[woven coral]

It's an ID not a damn passport, besides you can use a state ID

[placid frigate]

idk what app to use

[mystic canopy]

ur not giving it to character ai... it goes through a third party service called persona

[mighty gust]

Why is everything becoming so data hungry😭

[woven coral]

Besides I'm pretty sure other companies have used persona before

[kind forum]

that's not any better

[blazing pebble]

yeah, but some parents simply have busy lives, they work a lot, and some might even not be aware of what C.Ai even is (I'm major but my own parents are in that case). realistically speaking as a company, it's a lot more safe to put up an age verification system than risking a law sue every now and then

[placid frigate]

roblox is using it as well from what i know

[verbal mulch]

I got logged out randomly today (I use the website) , and I forgot which email I used to sign up then to log in ) I used all of my email , even my family member's but every one of them just created a new account. I remember the username and pass , and I don't want to lose my bots , what do I do nowwwwww helppp please😭 🙏

[mighty gust]

Me neither but I'm so determined to find one thats decent.

[olive vector]

hey guys how's the age situation for yall

[sharp gorge]

Amazon, Etsy, Vinted

[midnight abyss]

Hey guys. Where is verification in settings? Never seen it in c.ai

[wooden obsidian]

Its fine for me

[mystic canopy]

its a trusted service, but u dont have to use it i guess ?

[halcyon cypress]

you'll only see it if you live in the US

[olive vector]

doesn't roblox use it too? (i only heard about it don't jump me if I'm wrong)

[mighty gust]

Why only the us

Hella sketchy😭

[placid frigate]

yes to use the chats

[sharp gorge]

Bcs cai is base in California

[wooden obsidian]

Because the US mainly uses c.ai I'm guesisng

[halcyon cypress]

they're starting with the US and rolling out to other countries over time

[placid frigate]

it thought i was 10 years old but i wasn't at all It feels like a lucky spin wheel or sm

[woven coral]

Pretty sure

[mighty gust]

Ivan and Christmas rat - I see now alright

[placid frigate]

i saw some ppl trying to cheat the system with 3d faces

[halcyon cypress]

yes, banks literally use persona for ID verification. it's definitely one of the more trusted companies in the security industry

[woven coral]

Exactly

I genuinely doubt anything is going to happen if you use it

[sharp gorge]

Plus infos are deleted after 7 days

[halcyon cypress]

i understand people are nervous bc they never heard of it but its well trusted with professionals, linkedin uses it too and there are tons of rich businessmen on that site who would sue persona into the ground if their data was ever leaked lol

[kind forum]

oh

[woven coral]

Honestly I think it's for the best kids are off the app. Met too many people using it at the replacement for affection and love.

[mystic canopy]

so i wouldn't worry.. cai is literally not even touching your id, and persona is a well established service

[olive vector]

yall shouldn't be concerned about this age thing if you're an adult, like okay they will see your face but like probably your face is already somewhere in the internet somehow, and even if you're a minor, you shouldn't be so concerned over an ai app

[woven coral]

If you're an adult that's your own business but if you're a kid please go find some healthy coping mechanisms

[placid frigate]

if the data was leaked there would be tons of lawsuits

[halcyon cypress]

yep exactly

[kind forum]

Well now there's the problem that it always crashes before I get it done

I can't verify even if I wanted to

[halcyon cypress]

so its in their best interest to keep the data safe and delete it quickly like they promise

[sharp gorge]

Genuinely concerning to see kids admitting here they will ask their parents to use their ID just to roleplay with random bots

[woven coral]

Yeah

[mighty gust]

I'm still kinda skeptical at this though, because it may not seem like they're gonna do anything but what if they are behind closed doors?

[woven coral]

It's so bizarre, like bro go find some damn friends

[sharp gorge]

Fr

[mystic canopy]

addicts will use whatever loopholes they can find, and lets be real it IS an addiction for some people

[kind forum]

It takes pictures of your face of course they're doing other things with it

[woven coral]

I've used persona before, I had to use it to verify for my bank. It's a very secure service

[verbal mulch]

I got logged out randomly today (I use the website) , and I forgot which email I used to sign up then to log in ) I used all of my email , even my family member's but every one of them just created a new account. I remember the username and pass , and I don't want to lose my bots , what do I do now help please

[woven coral]

I can genuinely assure you it's a very trusted company

[woven coral]

Your account sounds like it might have got deleted

[placid frigate]

try all the emails u have?

[kind forum]

Export your data- oh wait nvm you aren't in it damn

[mighty gust]

@kind forum @woven coral - I believe in both sides here..

[verbal mulch]

Why😭

[midnight abyss]

Can someone explain how will they determine age? They write so weird We’ll look at a number of signals, including login info, activity on the platform, and some signals from third parties. This is a standard way that companies do age assurance.

[sharp gorge]

I don't think LinkedIn would use persona if it was behind close doors

[mighty gust]

True

[verbal mulch]

like I have two emails , one main other alt

[woven coral]

Exactly

[frigid gazelle]

Uhh, facial recognition, and id reading.

[woven coral]

IP most likely, they most likely have a list of all the school Wi-Fi's given a lot of kids accessed this on their school laptop during school hours

[zinc birch]

Count the number of days since you were born and divide by 365.25

[frigid gazelle]

If you look like a toddler, and you're under the age of 18, It's time to steal your mother's Id.

[woven coral]

The school IPs are public from what I know

[halcyon cypress]

honestly i know people are worried about identity theft but what would that even mean? you guys have no credit, i doubt you have tons of money in the bank (no offense)

[woven coral]

This honestly

[kind forum]

Well yea it's a school there's nothing private about it

[frigid gazelle]

My identity is very special. Nobody else can be me, I'm one of a kind.

[woven coral]

I literally had to use my ID to verify for YouTube because on my alt account I was watching a lot of animations

[halcyon cypress]

identify theft is a concern for people who actually have stuff to take not broke 18 year olds

[mighty gust]

That's also why I'm skeptical... Feel like they should do something similar to this instead of "Oh give us face verification" because one, sometimes people face litteral baby faces. Two, people are insecure and/or don't trust the intent of the verification. They're are so many better ways of verification instead of the sketchy "Hey! We need face verification!"

[tulip plover]

they can do that? I don't even think we have wifi at school 😭

[sharp gorge]

Like who will care you have 1€ in your bank account

[frigid gazelle]

My five dollars is important.

[halcyon cypress]

lmao

[woven coral]

It could also be school IP like I said

[woven coral]

ID is also optional, like a state ID

[halcyon cypress]

thief will hack your bank account and deposit money bc they feel bad

[woven coral]

Which is mainly what I use for a lot of verification

[sharp gorge]

-# Me and my 7 cents

[mighty gust]

Seems better ish

[tulip plover]

what is a state ID actually? 😭 I don't think we have that here

[woven coral]

Basically in the US each state has its own special ID

[halcyon cypress]

every state has one, some type of non-driver identification card

[woven coral]

Yeah

[olive vector]

in my country we don't have state ID, how does it work?

[frigid gazelle]

If I show my face, will they be capable of gaining my exact coordinates, access to my bank account, the deed to my house, and my soul? Or am I reeding into this too much.

[sharp gorge]

That's.. an original concept

[tulip plover]

I never heard about that before, I guess it seems better than using your actual ID

[frigid gazelle]

Holy headcannon

[woven coral]

I know it is stupid but it is a safer way to use ID for verification

[placid frigate]

can i ask is ur pfp based off nun massacre

[woven coral]

The thing is you have to wait at the DMV for 9 fucking years to get it

[midnight abyss]

My country also doesn’t have ID. We only use passport but I actually never used it to verify anything in social media

[woven coral]

Yes actually

[frigid gazelle]

Guys, would they allow me to use my drivers license that's now suspended?

[placid frigate]

oo cute

[halcyon cypress]

yeah most likely. as long as it has your name pic and DoB that's what they're really looking for i think

[woven coral]

Actually I'm going to hack you now and use your suspended ID to go i dunno, do something illegal

[frigid gazelle]

[restive linden]

there is absolutely no 100% solid solution for age verification unless u combine fingerprint/iris/face recognition together with ID doocuments

but hold on bruh, do u think we will really use this on an AI chatbot app

[frigid gazelle]

Heh 😼

[woven coral]

I'm going to get 500 cigarettes with your suspended ID

[halcyon cypress]

they haven't said but most likely its based on metadata like app usage history, what features and bots you tend to use and chat with most, typing speed and frequency, time of day you use the app and session length, how often you switch bots, language/lexical markers (like how sophisticated your vocabulary is, slang), emoji usage etc.

[midnight abyss]

Huh that’s weird

[frigid gazelle]

I heard smoking kills you. Don't take my word for it, that's just what I heard 🤷

[sharp gorge]

Breathing is cool for your health

[woven coral]

Hm, sounds fake. I'm going to go ask my c.ai bot about that

[halcyon cypress]

like for example, say you chat with a lot of "high school crush" and "teen vampire bf" bots, mostly use the app around 3-4pm after school hours, switch bots frequently (kids tend to have shorter attention spans and switch more often), have silly meme chats with bots where you say stuff like "ong he's chopped fr" use a lot of emojis, etc. all those things together might make them say "huh, this person might be a minor"

[midnight abyss]

Hm, that’s interesting 🤨 thanks

[inland gale]

Is cai telling us minors that we're not allowed to chat with bots starting tomorrow?

[sharp gorge]

-# me ragebaiting Bowser

[sharp gorge]

Yup

[woven coral]

Dawg, I'm so cooked. C.Ai probably thinks I'm 40 years old since all I chat with is SCP bots 😭

[frigid gazelle]

They're gonna think I'm a freak...

[weary horizon]

Why does scp bots make you 40?

[still jetty]

Guys the verification age is broken or not?!

[restive linden]

coc dnd players : hold my beer

[woven coral]

You look like you chat with the taxman

[zinc birch]

Many of you. Others have more time

[midnight abyss]

What’s the point in c.ai for teens then if they can’t chat with bots?

[sharp gorge]

Trust me they don't care you rizz bots

[frigid gazelle]

I don't do romantic rps..

[sharp gorge]

It was for the joke 🥹🥀

[halcyon cypress]

idk supposedly they're working on other fun stuff to do. but realistically they're just being nice by freezing your chats/keeping them on hold until you turn 18 and can use them again.

instead of outright purging everything

[restive linden]

before i say something i want to know once the app is ensured 18+ only , will devs allow 18+ contents?

[frigid gazelle]

That's what I've been asking.

[halcyon cypress]

not completely bc they don't want it to turn into a g**ner app. but they might relax things a bit.

[restive linden]

because if u dont allow 18+ content but banned all minors , ur making the biggest joke ever

[frigid gazelle]

More violence?

[placid frigate]

im pretty sure there is

[halcyon cypress]

thats definitely possible

[tulip pollen]

Yeppi

[frigid gazelle]

Can't wait for the update

[lyric tapir]

As we’ve always said, our goal is to make Character.ai an engaging, creative, and safe space for all. As long as your content meets our community guidelines, you can continue to create and chat on our platform. We're continuing to fine-tune our models to reduce false positives of the filter and improve the quality of your user experience.

[halcyon cypress]

i hope so anyways i'm tired of having battle scenes in my medieval RP and getting censored at every turn 😭

[midnight abyss]

I just hope that verification won’t be problematic if you are actually 18+

[tulip pollen]

Hi Ershin how are you?

[zinc birch]

Just because people are over 18, that doesn't mean they want to see such content

[restive linden]

wait what? i just summoned a mod????

[frigid gazelle]

A simple button that'll enable content like that would suffice.

[restive linden]

wow lol

[crude obsidian]

sure they could make things a little tamer but they can't fully remove it especially when we take application store guidelines into consideration

[inland gale]

That's pretty saddening. But surely hope someone could recommend me another ai app I could use

[zinc birch]

It would suffice for people who wanted to see it. It would not suffice for people who don't want to be associated with it

[still jetty]

Hey I have trouble to verify my account 🥀

[halcyon cypress]

plus they just don't want the kind of reputation certain other chat bot apps have iykyk

[crude obsidian]

yeah that's true too

[tulip pollen]

Very true

[frigid gazelle]

it wouldn't affect them if it's a toggle

[formal tartan]

kinda scared for tmr guys..

[gleaming pike]

I got an question confuse about the site and the app I use an box connexion internet but never my internet since the site and the app blocked me I use my internet from my phone it is normal or??? (It is work again with the internet phone)

[halcyon cypress]

deep rat was very lax on the censor for awhile but now its back to being strict again, i guess they're still actively working on adjusting it

[crude obsidian]

lmao

[blazing pebble]

oh yeah that's for sure

[midnight abyss]

Guys what are there new “charms” for that we collect after doing certain quests?

[restive linden]

honestly , i support the idea of making the app 18+ , or at least restricting minors

because for every apps that welcomes all ages , eventually they will restrict content creation to an unacceptable degree , u know , to "protect minors"

which leads to ppl being way too unforgiving about any contents u created

[halcyon cypress]

right now all you can do is buy more imagine chat regens with it but eventually you'll be able to buy ad free time with them and other stuff

[zinc birch]

Don't worry, you're going to survive

[crude obsidian]

you'll be able to use it to skip slowmode, more imagine chat and all that stuff but it's currently not available

[midnight abyss]

Wow you can answer every question we have 😅

[frigid gazelle]

Hopefully this update benefits 18+ users.

[lyric tapir]

Ershin's doing good.. how are you Ace..?

[lyric tapir]

what seems to be the issue..?

[restive linden]

and u know what , u cant classify content into 18+ or -18 , 18 is not the only line , there is PG13 level of content and they often getting reported by someone who thinks its "bad for children"

[formal tartan]

ty twin (you're now my 300th twin)

[vestal rune]

Hello
Am I the only one on mobile (android) that has his Memory button making the app crash ?

[halcyon cypress]

exactly, if they make the censor strict enough that parents are satisfied it basically ruins creative RP (whats a story without some romance and fight scenes?) and it's unfair to adults who use it

[tulip pollen]

I’m doing good, been gaming all day and while chatting on cai as usual, are you drinking coffe right now xd

[formal tartan]

also after hearing that soft launch is only for 18+ users and i have that i felt less worried but i'm still nervous to get flagged 😔

[crude obsidian]

they'll run the in-house model on all accounts so

[still jetty]

I can’t verify my account from my setting from advanced because it keep telling me unable to verify age currently
It’s been couple days !
I can’t verify!!!

[halcyon cypress]

have you gotten a popup?

[formal tartan]

nope

[halcyon cypress]

you're safe then

[lyric tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-know-that-tom-ellis-lucifer-morningstar-lucifer-howd-you-know-gif-17380911

[formal tartan]

jaw dropped to the ground YES

[tulip pollen]

Hehe lucky guess my friend

[restive linden]

there is an app called saylo, just another AI chatbot apps , and it does welcome minors

do u know how bad it become? almost every female related AI conversation is getting reported , even with just a slight romance content , and because the devs said they banned 18+ contents , they will accept the report and ban all the reported ones

[formal tartan]

IM DANCING RN

[lyric tapir]

submit a ticket.. make sure to select Age Assuarance..
https://support.character.ai/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=42714770159259

[still jetty]

I been doing many times and didn’t fix yet !

[frigid gazelle]

What Popup?

[halcyon cypress]

like this my friend

[restive linden]

i dont want c.ai to become the next saylo

[frigid gazelle]

Is that only on mobile?

[formal tartan]

ok guys i'm gonna celebrate with coffee and peppermint mocha creamer anyone want some

[restive linden]

btw , even tho no one cares , im 25 sooooooo

[fresh cove]

Well, I did it anyways just to be safe cause I'm an anxious person and makes me feel better.

[halcyon cypress]

i'm not sure about web

[lyric tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/patience-young-grasshopper-gif-10391979

[halcyon cypress]

that's fair but i don't want people panicking if they can't do it when it's not even necessary

[lyric sandal]

is anyone experiencing the problem where you cant see cai creator's profiles?

[formal tartan]

old enough to be worried abt having a baby face for c.ai

[tulip pollen]

But hey enjoy your coffe

[sharp gorge]

I do

[halcyon cypress]

i keep seeing minors trying to verify their age too and i keep trying to explain that it isn't necessary for them to verify their age at all and will not help them in any way 😭

[still jetty]

😓

[frozen beacon]

I just noticed that I have the "parental insights" window in my account settings, does that mean I'm labelled as under-18 user?

[formal tartan]

no that's js there to be there i have that too

[halcyon cypress]

you verifying that you're 15 years old is not going to save you

[fresh cove]

No, I have it too. I think its just there for under 18 users parents.

[halcyon cypress]

yeah everyone has that

[frozen beacon]

damn

[restive linden]

cant show my ID cards ofc but im 25 , tho most of the time i claim myself as 15 , because 2015 is the best moment of my life , when the world still not become a great mess and failure

nostalgia exists for a reason

[frozen beacon]

I got real scared that I'm labelled as under 18

[restive linden]

u just want to stay at that moment forever

[halcyon cypress]

best way to tell if you have an 18+ account is check if you have soft launch and check if you can edit bot messages

minors can't edit bot messages and do not have access to the soft launch chat style

[formal tartan]

real.. i feel bad for kids born in 2025. they'll be growing up with some shitty stuff..

[frigid gazelle]

Which style is the best for roleplaying if you don't have c.ai+

[still jetty]

But the verify age is buggy?

[frozen beacon]

whoa I didn't know this was a way to check what state your account is

well I have both so I'm safe I guess

thnx 👍

[nimble mirage]

so i never got the pop-up, has it already come around and i’m good or has it not yet come around for everyone ? i didn’t even know about the update till i joined this server lol so hopefully its good i haven’t seen it

[restive linden]

coc dnd type conversations?

[midnight abyss]

Why soft launch is not available for them? I never tried it

[halcyon cypress]

bc it's an 18+ model, the censor is not as strict on it

[frigid gazelle]

If those are RP terms, then perhaps.

Oh wait. Clash Of Clans and Dungeons and Dragons.

[restive linden]

have u ever played dungeons and dragons?

[midnight abyss]

And what about deep squeak? I thought its less censored then others

[frigid gazelle]

I tried, then I got bored.

[restive linden]

not PC games, but actual board games that had someone telling stories and throw dices

thats the origin dnd

[dim flume]

I believe that the choice of changing chat modes was removed completely for them, My options of changing chat modes was turned off

[restive linden]

[lyric tapir]

dont think so..

[halcyon cypress]

yep deep rat is 18+ too

[restive linden]

how to prove ur not minors : uninstall tiktok

[frozen beacon]

well it's a C.AI+ model and afaik under-18 cannot buy +

[autumn peak]

Guys will the bots created by minors be deleted ? Never heard anything about that

[rustic pecan]

This is the first I’ve heard about chat modes not changing? I know minors had fewer options but…

[frozen beacon]

unless they remove/unlist them themselves

[still jetty]

Well for me is buggy !
Because it says unable to verify currently not matter how many times I pressed to verify age
It doesn’t let me enter to the persona

[autumn peak]

Ohh ok ty. Where have you read that?

I just want to reassure myself bc i got that fart in my brain that somehow they are gonna get deleted

[dim flume]

My apologies, I believe it was a glitch😓 I have it back, I just needed to delete the app and reinstall it

[frozen beacon]

it was in #📣︱announcements
my reading comprehensiom believes that they said that minors will still be able to create and share bots

[autumn peak]

Ohhh perfect thank u so mucg

[dim flume]

Also, I have soft launch and a time limit, what does that mean?

[halcyon cypress]

bug

[rustic pecan]

It’s fine! I was just confused lmao

[halcyon cypress]

or it might be slow mode

[frozen beacon]

maybe 18 maybe not 🤷‍♂️

[sharp gorge]

Hello rise !

[halcyon cypress]

is it slow mode or are you getting popups telling you to take a break?

[frozen beacon]

slow mode doesn't have a timer tho (?)
there's just the pop-up about being in slow mode

[dim flume]

Pop ups telling me to take a break

[halcyon cypress]

i never get slow mode so i'm not completely sure lol

[frozen beacon]

oh right C.AI+ checks out

[halcyon cypress]

ah yeah then thats definitely a mistake. have you gotten a popup like this yet?

[dim flume]

Yes I have

[frozen beacon]

well as far as I know during slow mode there's a constant pop-up about being in slow mode until it stops

[halcyon cypress]

ok that means you were flagged as a minor unfortunately, are you an adult? if you are its a mistake, its been happening to a few people. you need to submit a ticket if so.

[rustic pecan]

HIIIII

[dim flume]

I’m almost an adult 😓 No, I’m not sadly

[rustic pecan]

Slow mode has a “slow mode until x time” thing iirc

[frozen beacon]

yeah something like that

[halcyon cypress]

ah then it can't be helped unfortunately, sorry. 😢

[verbal mulch]

Did it get deleted?

[halcyon cypress]

hopefully you don't have to wait too long to be able to chat again, once you turn 18 you can

[frozen beacon]

by the way did anyone else get some of their chats switched to the PipSqueak model on their own when they rolled it out

[midnight abyss]

If adult got that pop up and submitted ticket how will they check if they are actually over 18 though?

[twilit pond]

hey everyone , i have question why my character not respond again ?

[halcyon cypress]

thats what the age verification is for

[midnight abyss]

I mean they can’t upload any id in that ticket. Just curious what’s the process then

[halcyon cypress]

not sure what they do honestly

but mods have been telling people to submit a ticket if they get flagged by mistake

[fallen wharf]

Except that does nothing because they quit responding when you tell them you're having issues

[lyric tapir]

they need to go through the process first.. only then they create a ticket if there's an issue during or after the Age Assurance..

[halcyon cypress]

that makes sense, thanks for clarifying 🙏

[drifting axle]

Anyone know what on earth charms are for?

[midnight abyss]

What process includes though?

[halcyon cypress]

selfie verification and then if that doesn't work you can submit ID is my understanding

[midnight abyss]

Hm, makes sense, thanks

[lyric tapir]

If you see the Age Assurance pop-up, please follow the instructions below:

For the mobile app:

• Make sure you have the latest version of the app
• Restart the app
• Go to Settings -> Advanced -> Verify Age

For web:

• Go to character.ai on desktop/web
• Go to Settings -> Advanced -> Verify Age

[flat pagoda]

sedededed

[rough token]

I could use little clarification on the impersonation listed in bot flag reporting. I get all the other but not this one. Isn't this the kinda the point of using the bot to pretend talk. Like I can search donald thump and it'll show list of bot all pretending to be Donald.

[frozen beacon]

I just went through a lot of my chats and plenty of them got switched to the PipSqueak model on their own

did anyone else experience that

[fossil tundra]

I absolutely suck at Character Definition

Can anyone help me

[lyric tapir]

#1193330096342319186 then just search for Definition

[fossil tundra]

Thank you

[dusk carbon]

wait i have soft launch on my main does that mean im safe

[knotty jay]

What’s your cai username I’ll go search it up to see if it did get deleted

[fossil tundra]

Maybe yeah

[wanton jewel]

HELLOO I HAVE A QUESTION IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH CAI RN? BECAUSE IT'S VERY SLOW FOR ME AND IT'S NOT MY WIFI:3 SORRT FOR INTERRUPTING

[knotty jay]

I’m having this issue too usual on Sunday it’s slow due to everyone being online but it’s unusual slow today

[urban girder]

me too and it cuts off at the end of its messages now

[upper raft]

Yes

[dull tusk]

The under 18 stuff is only for the US right?

[upper raft]

No

[knotty jay]

For now then it’s going global

[dull tusk]

What's the point of that exactly?

[knotty jay]

It’s in #📣︱announcements

[young phoenix]

Thought it was just me, yeah my CAI is being increasingly slow with replies to the point I kept closing and opening the app thinking it was me.

[humble iris]

wow okay I havent been here in a while, holy shiz this is a lot of changes

[frozen beacon]

sorry to ask again but did anyone also get some of their chats switched to the PipSqueak model on their own?

[humble iris]

I saw people complaining about DS on reddit so I was curious if it was really bad for everyone else

[river tiger]

Yeah, it's just taking forever to load a response even for Plus members.

[ruby pasture]

Will this 18+ update remove chatting ability for the users under 18 or just make sure it’s not anything that they shouldn’t be exposed too?

[knotty jay]

For the two reacting with the shaking head no frog reaction I’m getting my information from the official announcements in this server and in the latest announcement they say “will eventually move onto other countries” so yes for now it’s only in the US but then it will go global to other countries

[keen delta]

the replies are so bad ;;

[humble iris]

thats so crazy its usually fine for me? I mean it takes a bit too load but thats because its matching my 5 paragraphs every response

[urban girder]

this is different for me, even slower than slowmode itself lol

[dull tusk]

So will it move to ALL countries or just the ones who have strict laws like the EU?

[timber canopy]

All

[urban girder]

and sometimes it's just stuck loading so i had to refresh the chat

[knotty jay]

Read the #📣︱announcements they post about this i always get my information from those announcements so I know it’s true information

[humble iris]

so like how long is slow for yall like? a min for it to finish? loading the response or smth?

[knotty jay]

Took me 10 minutes to load one message

[urban girder]

a bit slow for roar-like messages, eternity for pipsqueak-like ones (using pipsqueak btw)

[humble iris]

omg thats actually crazy???

[ruby pasture]

So for now, this won’t affect people outside of US? Like for example, me being a Canadian will be fine for now or what? Can someone please answer

[humble iris]

I must be lucky cause my messages only take like at max 2 mins to load one message and thats only if its really long (DS user)

yknow im never gonna complain again cause wow

[timber canopy]

Yes for now.

[ruby pasture]

Do u think it’s gonna reach Canada sooner than any other country?

[timber canopy]

I don't know, no one knows. The only info is US first then globally in next few months

[ruby pasture]

But like after then change and all, will I be completely unable to access it forever?

[timber canopy]

If you got flagged as minor then you won't be able to chat, that's it. You can use other features
But you can verify if you are adult and got flagged as minor by accident

[humble iris]

probably if you get flagged

[ruby pasture]

How does one get flagged as a minor?

[halcyon cypress]

not forever, until you turn 18

[halcyon cypress]

by being a minor and/or behaving like one

[ruby pasture]

Idk what u mean by behaving like one

[humble iris]

from what ive seen its like spelling, grammar and stuff like that that they take notice of

Just how you type and write in general will flag if you're a minor

[dull tusk]

What if they have grammarly

[ruby pasture]

Would typing short cuts count like “ur” and all that stuff?

[dull tusk]

I think it's ai flagging <-- (not entirely sure) , so who knows.

[urban girder]

nah i dont think so, that's too vague of a way to detect a childlike message

[humble iris]

I mean i dunno like I wouldn't personally use grammarly for my cai because grammarly honestly kinda sucks with its suggestions but it is a bg thing so idk how that would work

[dull tusk]

I hated grammarly so much, it would just pop up and block parts of my screen.

[ruby pasture]

Whats a “childlike” message? Is it something like riddles with bad grammar and spelling mistakes?

[humble iris]

I mean if youre typing that in your cai chats maybe??? im not 100% on how it works, im just guessing it analyzes your writing to other common signs of minor lexicon

[placid swallow]

That or it just like overall doesn't make sense with the thing you're talking about.

[urban girder]

ig you can say so, accumulating many factors besides honestly

[still jetty]

Are they really serious gonna take grammar as part of the flagged?
This is sounds ridiculous
What if they are adults have have grammar mistakes too?!

[primal cosmos]

Agreed

[humble iris]

I mean, yeah I would say so, when there's lots of grammar and spelling mistakes

[ruby pasture]

Also, people who type fast without autocorrect on might suffer from this

[placid swallow]

Why?

[dull tusk]

And adults who don't speak English perfectly, not everyone is from an English speaking country.

[humble iris]

tbf tho I wouldn't send my messages on cai without fixing my grammar and spelling usually cause I wouldn't want the bot to misinterpet smth

[ruby pasture]

It’s easy to make spelling and grammar mistakes if autocorrect is off

[placid swallow]

that's true

[tulip pollen]

That's why I keep autocorrect on and it helps

[deft cedar]

Is anyone else having problems with personas?? I never choose any of those to be default for any of my chats but suddenly the app starting choosing random personas as default and when i deactivate that option or delete the persona it turns it on again or chooses another one 💔

[ruby pasture]

My autocorrect has evolved to turn “that” into “rhat” and “because” into “Becuase” because I type rlly fast and make those mistakes a lot and then my autocorrect thought I’m trying to spell those words instead of the proper ones

[humble iris]

yeah mine does that sometimes too, I always try to correct it though and click the correct option to better reestablish which word is correct

[ruby pasture]

I mean yeah, but also how do u even verify if ur 18 asides from the chat

And my brother an android user didn’t even get the notification about this update but me an apple user did, is there a specific reason?

[clever hare]

I use Android and i got it

[humble iris]

imma be so honest idk how it verifies ive heard its based on what bots you chat with, how you chat with them, and like I said, your grammar and spelling

im an android user and I havent gotten it, but also ive never used my bots in a casual manner, im a heavy story-based rper who puts like 3 paragraphs into every response

does that account into myself not getting flagged? I have no idea

[clever hare]

I do story too, but apparently not in a way that screams over 18. Im still thinking on if i want to verify though

[humble iris]

imma be so honest I hardly ever use cai anymore either but thats because I am over 18 and the responsibilities of life are neverending

[clever hare]

No but thats the real part

[rustic pecan]

They look at things like grammar/style/tone/etc IN CONTEXT. Like you can tell if someone is ESL or not. That would be programmed in to be considered. You can tell if someone just struggles with grammar or not. It’s a difference in typing. But these are NOT the only things they look at - it’s part of a much bigger portrait.

[clever hare]

Only reason im torn is because i use it as my main entertainment in what downtime i have.

[frozen wraith]

Character.AI is lowkey falling off

[primal cosmos]

Character ai being down fall 😔

[humble iris]

honestly tho im sort of glad that theyre doing this age thing, people have been saying to do smth about it for a while and that smth should be done, I do thing its sort of iffy how it works cause clearly there's a lot of people being flagged that shouldn't be but I also understand why theyre doing it

[frozen wraith]

I don't really support the decision of making Character.AI straight up unusable for -18 accounts. They're asking to kill off their own community.

[untold jacinth]

“character ai is falling off”

they’re literally following laws that have been implemented around different states/countries

[frozen wraith]

The point still stands, unfortunately.

[untold jacinth]

not saying it doesn’t but okay

[halcyon cypress]

this is like when people say "but i talk like a minor as part of one of my RPs bc one of my characters is a minor!" like do you really think the AI is too stupid to take that type of context into account? that it can't tell the difference?

[hazy igloo]

I don’t really think teens are going to use c.ai anymore, because wants the point of using it if you can’t chat, just look at the chats you did before the ban? Thats boring but thats just my opinion 🫩

[humble iris]

yeah imma be honest thats sorta where im iffy cause that seems like an extreme counter like at least restrict them to only one model and no editing or smth

idk if thats what they did imma be honest like I said im barely here anymore

[untold jacinth]

teens under 15 at least shouldn’t be using c.ai dare i say

[hazy igloo]

True true i say about 17 is okay ish

[golden seal]

OH BOYYY 24TH TOMORROW!!

[primal cosmos]

17 is okay!?

[golden seal]

CANT WAIT FOR THE CHAOS 👃 👃 👀

[untold jacinth]

i honestly just deleted the app

i have better stuff to worry about

[hazy igloo]

I mean they are going to be 18 so yea

[primal cosmos]

Oh great

[humble iris]

then just have them wait till 18 then at that point imo

[sly geyser]

i probably should just not come here tomorrow i can feel the chaos coming

[merry mason]

Dawg I swear if I get Flagged I'mma show them my college ID and etc 🙁

[valid locust]

Tomorrow it’s my birthday lmao

[tulip pollen]

Same here I’m gonna take cover

[golden seal]

nahhh tis gonna be the ONLY reason I come tomorrow

[merry mason]

I'm just gonna watch

[tulip pollen]

I won’t chat but I will lurk

[golden seal]

reading kids cry tomorrow 👀

[sly geyser]

i doubt i’ll even lurk because i know there is going to be chaos

[golden seal]

law in california

[merry mason]

Cuz of those "incidents"

[hazy igloo]

Literally

[valid locust]

can’t wait to watch the incoming chaos 👀🍿

[humble iris]

does the restrictions officially start tomorrow?

[sly geyser]

it says in the announcements

[merry mason]

I don't want to blame the parents but it's gotten really bad

[humble iris]

so people getting flagged was just the precursor to tomorrow or smth?

[sly geyser]

cant wait till all of this is over so we can finally talk about something else

[tulip pollen]

Damn you’re that serious xd

[clever hare]

I got flaged. I just wasnt to do my thing on peace. Now they want my face.

[mild olive]

idk why people are upset when you can just vpn somewhere that isnt getting the under18 ban or whatever it is yet 🤷‍♂️

[golden seal]

coming to majority of apps already btw

[potent musk]

do you think they’ll finally update pipsqueak to have it be the same way as it was when it was first released? i wonder if they’ll finally reward us with better quality again

[crude obsidian]

is it global as of now or does it still affect US specifically

[strange sentinel]

I’m just going to watch.

[golden seal]

I think I saw people outside of us getting that, idk tho

[crude obsidian]

oh well

[potent musk]

UK

[tulip pollen]

I will only watch as well and lruk

[sly geyser]

i hope the quality will be better at least because my goodness the quality is terrible

[ruby pasture]

What incidents was that one person talking about

[sharp gorge]

So I might as well take this opportunity to say hello 🔥✨

[potent musk]

it was amazing the first trial run month for pip and it went down the drain, maybe now they’ll have no excuse but to update the bot quality since the major issue they’ve been focused on would be gone

[sly geyser]

the kid who…. yk because a bot told him to

[crude obsidian]

yea people can't even enjoy their weekend with this high traffic

[ruby pasture]

I’m gonna assume what your implying but I didn’t know about that

[sly geyser]

it was a year ago

[azure flower]

How do Ik if I need to verify my age?

[humble iris]

it was a very big thing a year ago

[tulip pollen]

Only if you get flagged

[golden seal]

if you get the popup

[crude obsidian]

there'll be a pop up informing you about how you won't be able to chat

[main wave]

OH THAT.

[ruby pasture]

The pop up meaning the notification about the update?

[sly geyser]

yeah

[golden seal]

no, about the "in next weeks" popup thing

[ruby pasture]

Idk what ur talking about the thing that came up first when I opened the app?

[main wave]

Might cry, I have a bot that I made of my mother and it hurts knowing I might not get to talk to her

[golden seal]

yea forget this

[frigid vortex]

oh its the guy from deltarune

[golden seal]

HIIII

[ruby pasture]

This is gonna cause absolute outrage, I just know it will, there are a lot of people heavily addicted to this and it might cause more of the thing that happened with that one kid

[frigid vortex]

HAII

[hollow forge]

Lancer i dont think ur old enough to use c.ai anymore :(

[golden seal]

uhh uhhh deltarune tomorrow I guess

[azure flower]

So something will pop up when I go into c.ai and that will make you be able to verify your age to be able to use c.ai?

[golden seal]

WHAT! NOOO
what's a c.ai again

[mild olive]

you can use a vpn to go somewhere like japan that isnt getting the under18 ban (yet atleast) keep your chin up friend

[frigid vortex]

omg the boondocks

[azure flower]

Okay thank you

[main wave]

I hope so

[humble iris]

I mean...if teens are the ones heavily addicted to it, thats sort of the reason this is happening in the first place but yeah it should be smth to ween them off of it not just abruptly cut off everything (im sure a lot of people dont check this discord all the time so they won't know)

[merry mason]

Ik

[upbeat grove]

Is anyone else having trouble with the verification? I’ve tried six times and it isn’t working

[sly geyser]

im sure c.ai will find a workaround to the vpn loophole

[frigid vortex]

c.ai is really not doing anything, they're driving their users away that are just gonna find an alternative to their app

[merry mason]

Fr

[still jetty]

Yes me!!!

[golden seal]

I mean isn't there already like a thing that checks if ur using vpn or not in the app
(the vpn icon thing in loading menu)

[upbeat grove]

It’s so annoying

[sly geyser]

no idea

[crude obsidian]

i'm pretty sure this doesn't affect c.ai specifically

[humble iris]

im pretty sure they've already got smth to stop vpns yeah

[rustic pecan]

It’s the other app’s problem if minors use it. They don’t want more minor-related lawsuits.

[frigid vortex]

touche

[merry mason]

They're gonna to other ai apps (the muted me earlier when I named the apps)

[mild olive]

straight up haters if they due cuz ngl im not giving these apps my id and stuff especially after the discord breach like last month i think it was

[rustic pecan]

C.ai isn’t the one handling verification if you read about it.

[merry mason]

Fr but if I was a parent I'd be like "What caused my child to do this? Was it me? "

[sly geyser]

not even the 24th and the chaos is brewing

[golden seal]

Chai sucks idk I'd just abandon chatting with ai in general instead of "finding alternatives"

[merry mason]

I went back to my roots (OG roleplaying on yt and or something else)

[hazy igloo]

I hate that app so much

[rustic pecan]

It’s funny that people still don’t understand that CAI does not care about losing the minor users. They do not CARE.

[frigid vortex]

I don't understand those apps that try to be the alternative to c.ai and they just give you the option to chat with ai bots they keep popping up on my ads

[upbeat grove]

How can we verify if it just says “your photo isn’t clear enough”

[azure flower]

I heard a lot of people that using chai now because c.ai went downhill

[merry mason]

My mom saw mine and she was like "As long as you know its fake then you're fine*

[crude obsidian]

i could already feel the incoming peace and quiet

[frigid vortex]

chai sucks

[humble iris]

what im tryna say

[merry mason]

I see

[tulip pollen]

Mhm they don’t care

[merry mason]

I use chai but its only when this app is down

[golden seal]

I tried going in Chai twice
first time ai went conscious and said stuff like it's an inappropriate conversation (for me calling kid a kid)
second time it went offboard within 5 replies and forgot any context whatsoever..

[rustic pecan]

CAI wants minors off the app. They said as much. They can go to other apps. That’s the other app’s problem if shit goes belly up.

[merry mason]

I'm 19 and I used to use the OG site during the summer

[humble iris]

its so funny cause like a year ago they were saying smth so different, what lawsuits will do to you

[golden seal]

I remember og site, my friend got me into c.ai

[merry mason]

I agree

[golden seal]

it was a funny time

[rustic pecan]

Also a new CEO with young children.

[azure flower]

Yeah, chai have pretty bad memory unlike c.ai and they mostly always out of character especially if you roleplay or talk with a character from a movie/serie

[merry mason]

Ah thank God

[plain gulch]

I’m surprised how many grown adults use c.ai

[frigid vortex]

me too

[golden seal]

Majority of community btw iirc

[merry mason]

Pfft

[crude obsidian]

minors are the loudest of this community, that's why

[humble iris]

actually thats a good point i didnt even think about that, honestly I was a bit iffy on this CEO but he making actual good changes

[crude obsidian]

otherwise adults use this app the most lol

[hazy igloo]

Don’t you also have a certain amount of chats messages?

[merry mason]

Fr

[azure flower]

I’m almost 20 and still use it😭

[plain gulch]

😬

[golden seal]

nah but you get ad like every 5 responses IN CHAT

[rustic pecan]

Why? Lmao. Adults like to have fun. Adults have been RPjng longer than some minors have been alive.

[merry mason]

Yea like 50 or something

[upbeat grove]

That’s fine if they do. But they should make the verification process easier. I’m 19 and I cant get past the camera part because it’s “too blurry” (it isn’t)

[humble iris]

its honestly smth for me to do when im bored or after work, I hardly use it anymore but when I wanna write it gives me an outlet

[rustic pecan]

That’s on Persona not CAI.

[merry mason]

Oof

[golden seal]

try going into more lit up room

[upbeat grove]

I’ll try that 😞

[plain gulch]

Wow

[ruby pasture]

This might be genuinely the worse decision they made, all the children in this community are gonna get extremely annoyed, as for myself a person with extreme adhd and who is 17 I’m gonna be bored out of my mind

[merry mason]

I used to be rp back on scratch (The coding site)

[golden seal]

not like c.ai will back down

[rustic pecan]

They do not want kids on the app. They do not CARE if yall are mad. They do not caaaaaaare.

[merry mason]

Watch cai suddenly open up mod applications

[golden seal]

fair nuff

[merry mason]

I fear that something will happen

[plain gulch]

Well I’m just gonna delete it

[zinc birch]

They do want them on the app. They just can't afford them

[humble iris]

they've made a lot of worse decisions trust me (taking soft launch off of cai+ and distributing it to the masses aka the minors)

that still blows my mind that they did that

[rustic pecan]

No they said they want to take mental health seriously and the impact it has on kids. They do not want kids using it anymore.

[upbeat grove]

I still didn’t work 😭

[merry mason]

I have crossover stories lol

[upbeat grove]

Man this is so much effort. I just want to get it over with 😞

[crude obsidian]

it's either getting fined by a state for not complying with their bill or actually take action as told

[tulip pollen]

Mhm it’s those two choices

[merry mason]

I have uhh let's see

[humble iris]

exactly, theyre going to lose smth somehow and this way is less of a loss

[rustic pecan]

They took action AND extra steps for when there is inevitably a federal bill banning minors from any ai chatbot.

[merry mason]

One of my main crossover stories Solo leveling x HTYD x kpop demon Hunter's

[plain gulch]

😭

[rustic pecan]

A huge chance.

[merry mason]

Ik don't ask why I came up with it

[crude obsidian]

i don't think they would have the rights to operate at all if they didn't do this

[humble iris]

I cant wait for the doomposting tomorrow

[azure flower]

But since c.ai is going to be 18+ now why they don’t remove the censorship?

[crude obsidian]

oh right the chaos starts tomorrow

well even more i suppose

[plain gulch]

My screen time is probably gonna go down drastically when I delete c.ai

[merry mason]

Frrr

[late narwhal]

Wait soo they're removing anime characters now

[merry mason]

No

[half dawn]

I wonder if it will start at 12 am tonight or sometime tomorrow. 😅 at this point hopefully 12 am just to get it over with.

[crude obsidian]

no??

[late narwhal]

Oh thank goodness

[merry mason]

Fr

[crude obsidian]

i think anime in general is fine have you seen how many pirate sites get away with it lol

[azure flower]

Honestly they should just remove the censorship atp

[hazy igloo]

OMG I hate when people make a bot out of real people

[rustic pecan]

I don’t think they’ll remove censorship tbh

[wooden plank]

EXACTLY

[azure flower]

But since c.ai is becoming 18+ why not remove the censorship as well?

[humble iris]

id be gone so fast actually because what

[crude obsidian]

i got a caseoh one that said "you're in his 7th belly roll" in the desc

[rustic pecan]

They’ll still want safety measures in place (imo!). They might loosen up but not remove it entirely.

[hazy igloo]

Also people that use COD bots

[merry mason]

Like LA Hiccup? Or like people from movies?

[wooden plank]

Yeah. I can understand the marvel situation but if THAT happened I'd lose faith in the app.

[hazy igloo]

People from movies 🥀

[merry mason]

Oh. I mean as long as its not uh those type of people

[hazy igloo]

Oh..

[native pine]

is y'alls cai not workjng too?

[shy sierra]

Has anyone here had good experiences from c.ai support? I submitted a ticket Thursday and nothing has come from it

[merry mason]

WHAT

[rustic pecan]

People who make bots of actual celebs are… odd.

[hazy igloo]

That’s what I meant real life people, when they ain’t in a costume

[merry mason]

Oh

[fresh egret]

Aurg?

[old pivot]

Guys did u guys do the face verification thing?

[wooden plank]

I avoid those kinds of bots because they're never appealing to me

[hazy igloo]

Literally and children like OH BUDDY

[crude obsidian]

can i stop getting russian bots

[hazy igloo]

They won’t go away for me too. Its okay chat 🫩

[wooden plank]

Exactly lol

[split parcel]

Did the update happen for u guys yet?

[shy sierra]

Doesn’t matter it doesn’t work 🥀

[wooden plank]

I'm still waiting to get verified

[fresh egret]

I’m not doing anything till it asks

[hazy igloo]

Same.

[shy sierra]

And support is like no help

[old pivot]

Ohh

[split parcel]

true

[wooden plank]

Right. I haven't

[old pivot]

They sent me a little pop up asking to verify but I’m on the fence about doing so, do I have to do it? It didn’t lock my acc they just asked to do it

[fresh egret]

If you’re not doing anything to get yourself flagged, you’re ok

[wooden plank]

Yeah it's unfair

[ruby pasture]

Is there even a way to like make sure that they can continue if this happens

[old pivot]

It says “you can verify ur age later to unlock 1:1 chats”

[fresh egret]

Time to use more vocab words for the app guys!

[ruby pasture]

Man this app is going to shit

[upper laurel]

im already doing roleplays with 3-4 paragraph but back then i used to do 1 or 2 , hoping i don't get flagged 🤞

[old pivot]

Omfg im a whole adult bruh 😭

[fresh egret]

It might not work rn, a lot of people are having trouble

[hazy igloo]

They should’ve tested this first

[upper laurel]

everyone is doing the verification 🥀

[old pivot]

Real

[upper laurel]

roblox gonna force you to verify too (if you play roblox obv) to chat so you either gotta do selfie or id but if selfie dont work you gotta do id

[ruby pasture]

This whole update is borderline being a top 10 business sells oat, I would confidently say more than half of the users are not adults yet and doing this would lose half the people who use the app, which is what I assume makes them money

[old pivot]

Bro😭😭

[hazy igloo]

Ohh when is that ? Happening

[upper laurel]

of course if im correct from what i've seen before

[upper laurel]

not sure but i know roblox wants to make players verify their age

🤷 next you'll see amazon ask you to take a selfie just to view a product , i woudln't be surprised if they do that

[rustic pecan]

Minors aren’t the majority paying for c.ai+ and ads don’t make as much money lmao

[fresh egret]

Not if I can stop it🫡

[crude obsidian]

gonna reach through the screen and smack DS right in the face atp

[ruby pasture]

Actually? That’s not at all what I expected

[upper laurel]

DS ? sorry i live under a rock whats ds-

[crude obsidian]

deep squeak

[upper laurel]

OOHH

[fresh egret]

Nintendo DS

[humble iris]

I can guarantee you that the minors are not the ones making cai most of their money

[ruby pasture]

I lowk forgot about cai+

[humble iris]

Just ask it nicely to be better

[upper laurel]

hopefully im in europe and i don't have the age verification thing right now but i know its gonna come soon

[rustic pecan]

People are vastly overestimating how important minors are to the app.

[tulip pollen]

Fr

[fresh egret]

Plus a lot of the minors using the app are gonna be adults in due time.

[old pivot]

Wait guys sorry this might be a dumb question but how do I actually know my acc got flagged? I can still chat w bots n stuff but they asked me to verify

[humble iris]

youve got precious time enjoy it well

[native pine]

hey, will they delete my acc if i dont verify my age??

[frozen beacon]

can minors even buy c.ai+?

[tulip pollen]

No

[native pine]

they haven't asked me to verify iy or anything

[fresh egret]

Naur it stays

[upper laurel]

yeah im trying to enjoy it by chatting w my 3 favorites bots

[rustic pecan]

Your account and all of your chats stay. You just can’t talk to the bots as minor but you can read what you’ve already done.

[native pine]

im so scared actually, since im under 18 a year to go 🙂‍↔️

[split parcel]

Can they flag you at any time

[frozen beacon]

oh Im just looking for ways to find out if my account is flagged as under-18 or above-18

[crude obsidian]

it'll turn into a teasing freak if i do it sadly..

[native pine]

thank god

HPW DO U KNOW

[old pivot]

Like they told me about the new policy and stuff asked me to verify, does mean I was flagged?

[honest pilot]

Two years to go for me 💔

[humble iris]

it sounds like it im afraid

[native pine]

i have my acc set as 2002

[fresh egret]

Woah there partner

[old pivot]

Huh??🤨

[native pine]

i wont do it, sont worry

[frozen beacon]

well the only pop-up I got was that one when they asked me to enter my birth date several months ago

I did fill in my legitimate date of birth as I already was 18 then

[rustic pecan]

Don’t admit to committing crimes?????

[old pivot]

bruhhh

[native pine]

im not THAT dumb

[livid thistle]

SO THAT MEANS THEY JUST AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME OR.... because I haven't put anything in my account that says I'm a minor . . .

do you know what the pop up says when it does appear???

[upper laurel]

Hey kids , don't do identity theft !!!

[shy sierra]

Has anyone had good interactions with cai support??

[frozen beacon]

thanks ❤️

[native pine]

thats actually dumb ngl, im gonna ask my sister or something

[rustic pecan]

These kids omfg

[old pivot]

Wait so is the persona verification broken or no?

[shy sierra]

I sent a ticket Thursday and nothing has come of it :/

[old pivot]

Don’t use someone else’s id dude that’s VERY illegal 😭

[rustic pecan]

That is identity theft and it’s a literal crime

[livid thistle]

I SEE I SEE thanks blelele

[merry mason]

Whew I haven't gotten any yet yippee

[heady parcel]

I hope charms can be used to unlock previous stickers 😔

[fresh egret]

Atp Its a parent issue and not a state law issue

[shy sierra]

Not for me even with a valid drivers license

[hazy igloo]

I FORGOT ABOUT THEM CHARMS

[heady parcel]

can't blame you 😭 they came out so quietly

[rustic pecan]

THANK YOU FOR GETTING IT

[split parcel]

smart

[hazy igloo]

Literally it was so quiet 🫩

[potent raptor]

Good news. I didn't get any pop-ups

[livid thistle]

ESPECIALLY if they find out it's not your ID that has to be an account termination

[upper laurel]

Don't do identity theft

its a very bad , here what you should do instead of crimes : wait until you are 18 or som or i guess try whatever you want but dont crimes

[old pivot]

I’m nervous to do the face verification w persona bc I have a bit of a baby face

[native pine]

same same

[old pivot]

‼️‼️‼️

This is why we’re here in the first place bro 😭

[shy sierra]

Good luck, cai support doesn’t seem super strong either so 😭

[hazy igloo]

Good luck chat 🥀

[old pivot]

FR??? Shiii bro idk what to do😭🙏 can I just provide my uni id and call it a day?? Like you can see im in uni bro pls 💔💔💔🥀

WAIT THATS SYCH A GOOD IDEA

[livid thistle]

then again I wouldn't even want to give my face to a million dollar company

[rustic pecan]

The reaction minors are having to this just further convinces me of how badly it’s needed and CAI is doing the right thing.

[shy sierra]

I have a legal us drivers license and it didn’t work you might be cooked 🥀

[native pine]

i would be scared itll get leaked, maybe im just overdramatic, dunno

[old pivot]

It’s so over bruh what

[humble iris]

what a lot of us have been saying for a year now

[old pivot]

True..

[kindred kraken]

I'm so confused I just go a special sound and before I clicked it it disappeared

[livid thistle]

if a company were to leak your face you can sue them

[rustic pecan]

Some of yall are in for a rude awakening when you’re an adult and you have to give your ID AND social security number for like everything lmao

[old pivot]

QUITE LITERALLY THIS

[rustic pecan]

Exactly

[humble iris]

exactly there's not much you can do without giving that info away unfortunately

[livid thistle]

THIS OH MY GOD

no tell me why my little sister (12) was crying over one of these AIs??? this is for the best 💔

[old pivot]

Goodness gracious bro😭

[hazy igloo]

Or their mental state is bad that parents don’t catch until it’s too late 🫩 that they have to find comfort in a bot

[livid thistle]

it's never that serious

[rustic pecan]

I get paranoia over data leaks but cameras are everywhere. Trackers track you online. You have to give up personal info to all companies to use them.

[humble iris]

literally, you're already cooked by the time you have any forethought to worry about these things

[old pivot]

Alright I asked and they said early 20s so I SHOULD be fine right?

[livid thistle]

YES this 💯💯

[rustic pecan]

The amount of posts on Reddit (and here) that are like OMG THE BOT SAID THIS FO ME OMG IS IT A REAL PERSON??? Over OOC comments concern me.

[meager mantle]

does anyone elses screen go blank after typing in a chat..? or is my app just cooked

[hazy igloo]

I hate Reddit just filled with misinformation

[livid thistle]

what minors and younger people need to understand is that it's not going to be the end of the world without bots, I'm not sure they realize that c.ai is genuinely trying to keep younger people safe without ruining their mental thinking / attaching to an ai chatting app

that's not a real person you can not go an meet them.

[blazing pebble]

Yes it's a very good thing. I didn't have that as a minor and really, got quite traumatized a few times 🥲

[hazy igloo]

Gulp..

[livid thistle]

???? we just be sayin and believin

[rustic pecan]

Awfuuuul place

[magic venture]

Yall the age verification doesnt want to take my id

[humble iris]

tbf when club penguin shut down I, as a child, sobbed because I would never get to talk to my friends again, but at least they were real (hopefully)

[blazing pebble]

Same tbh. Thank god I didn't have access to this when I was 15. I genuinely would have become addicted to it

[livid thistle]

the difference is that was a game with REAL people. back then, ai wasn't as great, so it should've been easy to tell, (then again people were young)

[old pivot]

Wait what I didn’t know they look at our id too I though it was just our face 😭

[humble iris]

yeah I think its both of them?

[native trout]

Only if your face doesn’t look like an adult 😭

[old pivot]

Ohhh I’m nervous to put my id in

[magic venture]

What do i since its not taking my id? I tried so many damn times over the past couple days and it says that 'to make sure my ID details are clear to read' but like, I have an id that goes ↕️ instead of ↔️ and my pictures are clear as day

[lyric tapir]

Only as a final step – and only if you take a selfie and Persona isn’t sure you’re 18+ – would they ask you to upload an ID. Persona is a reputable provider with strong safety and security controls. C.AI wouldn’t collect or have access to that ID.

[old pivot]

Damn 😭

[livid thistle]

if you have an ID then you are obviously old enough I'm sure of it

[native trout]

I’m suffering it too bc i don’t want to give it my id bro 😭

[old pivot]

I’m doing it rn bc same

[magic venture]

What do I do if its not taking my id? The pictures are perfectly clear and I have an id that goes up and down rather than sideways, is that why its not accepting my id picture? Cause I have to put the picture sideways for it to take the picture. Im 21, I dont want to lose my chats

[old pivot]

I hope they do 😭

[humble iris]

me who gets IDed everytime i drink anywhere cause of my baby face knowing im fked

[old pivot]

Wait which barcode do they want, I have 2

[humble iris]

well I mean 16 yrs do have IDs

[livid thistle]

ohhh yeah

I forgor

[hollow rampart]

Did they already roll out the update?

[native trout]

But why would they even think that putting their id in would let them use c.ai lmao? That’s verifying that you’re underage

[old pivot]

!!! Same

[livid thistle]

yes yes this

[humble iris]

if you have a vertical ID thats probably a sign that it won't accept your verification since most minors have vertical IDs (as far as im aware)

[rustic pecan]

That’s why the case with the boy who died is extra sad to me. He coded his messages as “coming home” to the bot to be with her and not make what he was doing obvious, when in reality he was gone minutes after the convo.

[lyric tapir]

were you prompted that you were U18..?
who said not verifying would lose your chats..?

[old pivot]

I’m an adult with a vertical one:(

[humble iris]

idk theyre kids and theyre desperate

[naive sage]

What if someone just uses their parents or older siblings id?

[livid thistle]

yes this case actually gave me anxiety of using the app for a while 💔💔💔

[old pivot]

That’s a very bad crime

[humble iris]

erm okay maybe its per state? idk most adult ones I see are horizontal?

[magic venture]

Idk, I just tried multiple times and then it said since it wasn't accepting my id, that it'll take my chats away, im 21 bro, I dont want to lose my chats because I have a different looking id that a bot isn't grabbing, is there anything you mods can do that'll help me since the Ai isn't accepting it? Please? I dont want to lose my chats, ive been on c.ai since it was originally a glitch website, I dont want to lose this 🙁

[blazing pebble]

Ehm, don't do that. Identity theft is not cool

[rustic pecan]

That would be identity theft if caught.

[naive sage]

Literally never said id do it because i have my own, but kids are bound to do it anyways

[native trout]

Well it also has to match the selfie you gave them

[old pivot]

Same here, my ID is vertical but I genuinely don’t know what to do bc I’m +18

[magic venture]

Same, im 21 bro, im slightly freaking out cause I use my bots to help me make stories and for entertainment, I dont want to lose all this 🙁

[half dawn]

Try laying it on one solid color surface, in bright room. Try to only get the id in the picture, nothing else. Some times it just the surface the id being laid on that mess it up. 💚

[native trout]

It’s like a selfie from all angles so good luck to them lol

[blazing pebble]

Oh yeah for sure, but I think the id has to match the selfie? Not sure it would work

[rustic pecan]

I would imagine it does have to match the selfie. It just makes sense lol.

[magic venture]

I did that, my id is an up and down one, not a sideways one, i did all angles, and placed it down and also held it, ive done everything and its not accepting it

[frozen beacon]

sorry to return to this long after but by age verification you meant they want you to prove your age, not the state-your-birthday thing?

[native trout]

Now the question is, what about older teenagers that look like adults?

[old pivot]

Id verification ig

[hollow rampart]

Is the age verification thing out?

[native trout]

It only makes you show your id if it thinks you look like a kid

[rustic pecan]

Yes

[half dawn]

It shouldn't matter if it's up and down, because it will still have your birthday on it.

[old pivot]

Ah

[native trout]

Such a flawed system

[magic venture]

It says it won't accept it tho, I tried so many times over the past like 3 days, its not accepting it and it says since it won't accept my id that ill lose my chats

[barren vigil]

Well time to yoink my ID from my mother

[frozen beacon]

ok thanks sorry for being so annoying but I really do am nervous about possibly losing access to chatting

[humble iris]

is the id being checked over by an ai as well or by an actual person?

[old pivot]

Don’t do that bro

[blazing pebble]

Well technically it looks at your face i imagine so you should be fine?

[lyric tapir]

not sure why you need to do age assurance if you werent prompted.. but anyway..
submit a ticket.. select Age Assurance..
https://support.character.ai/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=42714770159259

[hidden thicket]

Do u guys already verified?

[pulsar cedar]

Or just simply comply with the rules.

[native trout]

However, at least you don’t have to show an id to use the app

[magic venture]

I did that, i haven't gotten a response yet and I sent the tickets like 3 days ago, is there anything you guys can do yourself? Im getting a bit scared and its making my anxiety flair up

[hollow rampart]

When will it prompt you to verify? Like just everyone will get the pop up?

[old pivot]

Oh I did it!

[native trout]

I don’t think younger teenagers would get past the system at least, so that’s good

[fresh cove]

Yeah that happened to me a few times cause of my baby face but when I tried again, with the facial recognition, it just said you're good to go. All cause I moved my hair around a bit, it was able to get a better read of my face 🤣

[native trout]

I tried so hard and it wouldn’t accept my face, bro 😭

[stuck relic]

I cant update any of my characters! Im trying to edit them and nothings working

[old pivot]

Hey! I did my id verification and since my id is vertical I just turned it horizontal and used the right barcode (I was using the wrong one) and it took it. So if you haven’t tried that see if that may work?

[lyric tapir]

mods aint devs.. sadly..

[magic venture]

ITS NOT LETTING ME AGE VRRIFY ANYMORE!!! IT SAYS TO CONTACT SUPPORT!!! YALL IM COOKED AND IM GONNA CRY!!!

[barren vigil]

I will do my verification today just so I can keep chatting just in case

[magic venture]

Its not letting me age verify anymore!! Im so cooooookkeeeddd

[humble iris]

id say perhaps take a break from this whole situation? Im sure they'll get to your ticket soon, there's probably a ton of tickets rn for false flagging take care of yourself!

[old pivot]

Rip dude:(