🪅-progaming

[jade stone]

LOVE

[supple whale]

LIKE

WHERE THE FUCK IS THIS CACHED!?

KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS

[jade stone]

Node_modules/.vite?

[supple whale]

YOU WISH

[jade stone]

Have you git clean -dfX

[supple whale]

thats not a good idea for this project

[unkempt ember]

After looking a bit, it seems people use vite --force to regenerate the cache.

[jade stone]

[supple whale]

im using a superset of vite

so i cant pass that

[unkempt ember]

Fuxk.

[supple whale]

it was pnpm hiding the true path somewhere else

holy

it was in %appdata% cuz the same module was imported twice in the project

?>

now electron-rebuild is not detecting the module....

end me pls

WHAT THE FUCK I TOLD U WHICH MODULE

WHY ARENT U REBUILDING IT

WHAT THE FUCK

[pseudo sierra]

[supple whale]

NO THIS JUST DOESNT WORK

why do i always run into the most insane bugs

holy fuck

@jade stone you should have seen me compiling nodejs 24 for android yesterday

jesus fuck my desk is like 2cm lower now because of how much i smashed it

[pseudo sierra]

😭

[supple whale]

dynamic modules would not work for the life of me

just NAPI would not compile

[jade stone]

@supple whale you love discord's insane rspack config

same module id

different contents

#👾-core-development message

[supple whale]

meanwhile my current mood:

imported as destructuring

but imports the entire fucking file

what the fuck

[shrewd canopy]

The problem is always electron and javascript

[supple whale]

this gonn be a long night

ya be

i'm at 80 hours of actions

[lyric latch]

how do you pronounce this

git clean - dafux?

[gray gyro]

Guys, I got Claude Code to write a VAAPI driver for encoding streams on Discord using nvenc. And it seems to be working—at least the debug window shows the VaapiVideoEncodeAccelerator codec.

[supple whale]

12 mins of waiting for nothing

[gray gyro]

I'm currently fixing bugs, but the fact that I got it to work—I consider that a victory

[queen jasper]

it's okay to have wrong preferences, but don't spread misinformation to try and drag others as well ❤️‍🩹

[pearl parrot]

me when only thing i do is point out AI use

@young flicker tone it down

[runic sundial]

dog, the first thing i do when i see some new project is check if it's someone actually doing it, or AI for the bajilionth time

[pearl parrot]

vibe coding is okay if the end product works

[runic sundial]

" end justifies the means " -ah mentality

[unkempt ember]

How do you even know that ?

[runic sundial]

it's pretty easy actually

many times they just have some agentic bullshit file

like CLAUDE.MD just chilling there

or the commits are co-authored

I don't go on a peck and hunt for em-dashes or other bullshit, it's more of a quick "vibe" check

either way, code either sucks or it doesn't, just so happens that AI code sucks disproportionately more often

and it doesn't have the whimsy of someone struggling to write it on their own, the AI cannot write comments like they are on their death bed

[unkempt ember]

Will be fun to have an AI commenting shit like : " It's the forth he told me to " redo it ", please unplug me. "

[runic sundial]

no

Because it is not real agony which I can relate to

It is store-bought processed agony which i am allergic to

[unkempt ember]

I get it.

[runic sundial]

good

[lyric latch]

if i'm just gonna use the product and not contribute, i wouldn't care

[winged mantle]

genius

except the unused_no_op function is now unused

the inline keyword gets rid of this warning

weird, because the impression i got is inline is basically useless in c (not C++) with modern compilers

[runic sundial]

Oh yeah if the product just works then I can forgive it, as long as I'm not paying for it. I still believe morally wrong to make money off the license violation machine 9000, but sure some random one-off tool I don't car

However as of recently I am readjusting my attitude towards AI, I feel like I've been a lot more tolerant.

I wish it was socially acceptable to sacrifice induviduals to God's of my own choosing

[limpid mica]

inline does in modern compilers not mean "pls inline this function"
it means "this function does not obey ODR"

[ornate quiver]

you have to use compiler specific attributes instead of the inline keyword

it's so bad

[valid jetty]

you can make all mathematical operations out of e^x - lny

[pseudo sierra]

[unkempt ember]

That... somehow makes sense.

[pseudo sierra]

@young flicker

[winged mantle]

in C++, but i don't think so in c

but hey at least it's supressing an unused warning in C

[jade stone]

i thought it meant that the linker should merge all instances of that symbol across object files into one in the final binary

(pretty much the same as it doesn't obey odr)

[solid tide]

guys i think AGI is here

[jade stone]

Skyblock mentioned

[deep mulch]

@jade stone

[worldly sigil]

agi so good it's learning how to game git commits count

[ivory heath]

to force it to inline yes
the inline word will lower the cost of inlining a function accoring to llvm, basically "conside it more"

the compiler is much smarter about when to inline then you, and if you want llvm to know exactly when it makes sense to inline, run a PGO run

[ivory heath]

please dont mislead people. inline still means inline

You should do PGO runs for best performance, enable x86_64-v3 instructions, and probably use a -mtune znver3

[pseudo sierra]

@ivory heath haiii

[ivory heath]

haiii

[pseudo sierra]

hru

[ivory heath]

good hbu?

im eating icecream

[pseudo sierra]

woah

am procrastinating on sleeping by prepping for vps migration

[ornate quiver]

oh

[pseudo sierra]

got fed up of cross compiling to aarch64

[ivory heath]

ohh what host/cpu are you trying to migrate to?

nothing i really do has intrinsics written for arm NEON so i cant use them

but for node js webservers or whatnot its pretty good

[royal nymph]

oracler user spotted

[pseudo sierra]

nop

hetzner

[ivory heath]

hetzner has arm ?

[royal nymph]

arm user who isn't using oracle free tier

crazy

[ivory heath]

the arm cores on oracles free stuff are so slow

not really worth using unless you just wanna be as cheap as possible

[royal nymph]

I've been using it for years and it works well for me

[pseudo sierra]

when I got this ampere was a bit cheaper so I just went with that but now x86 is cheaper for same vcore count and mem

[ivory heath]

ideally you self host and use cloudflare tunnels for free to

[royal nymph]

ideally you self host? maybe ideal if you're crazy

[pseudo sierra]

I self host most of my shit

[ivory heath]

remember that vcore on arm means a real cpu core while it means 1/2 a core on x86

[pseudo sierra]

yeah that's the plan once I move out

[royal nymph]

I'm definitely not about to serve 500gb a day to 2 million unique clients from my fucking home network

[ivory heath]

thats why you dont self host large static objets and use yet another cloudflare feature for that

[pseudo sierra]

I don't exactly care about the cpu performance since most I'll be running on this is gitlab, vw and some dc scaper for sadan

[ivory heath]

oh all gitlab wants is a assload of ram

[pseudo sierra]

yop

postgres and gitlab using like 5gb total rn

scary

[ivory heath]

I love slop software

[pseudo sierra]

I love gitlab but why ruby on rails

well ik it was built a decade ago and too late to refactor but ykwim

[ornate quiver]

still too much traffic even if it's cached

[royal nymph]

literally the only reason to run your own servers is if you really need that level of control for some reason

[ornate quiver]

yop

[royal nymph]

so much cheaper to just use cloud servers

[ivory heath]

cloud servers and cheaper do not belong in the same sentence

unless power is stupid expensive for you

which i assume it is because youre german

[royal nymph]

bro if you're not building a hobby project hosting at home is not going to cut it

you'd just be building your own data centre

[pseudo sierra]

if/when I can afford it I'm just gonna buy rack space from a data center

[royal nymph]

if it really was so economical to run your own servers, more companies would do it

almost no one does

it's just not worth it if you're not a giant

[ivory heath]

they dont because they want to be able to scale quickly and its less of a liability for them

they dont mind spending more for that safety

[royal nymph]

you need the safety if its not a hobby project

like yeah sure you can build your own personal jellyfin server cheaper at home than it'd cost to rent a vps with good gpu

but now try making a public streaming service from home

[worldly sigil]

wheres that one hetzner gif with the email saying something like "hello, we forgot to turn on the power for your server"

[pseudo sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1010226864981295184/1286512267923292231/attachment.gif

[solid tide]

when i was like 13 i used to host a public shell service i advertised mildly on freenode from my laptop at home running arch linux. dont ask me why

[patent vortex]

i selfhosted so much stuff from like 13-16 lol

[solid tide]

i distinctly remember some skid taking it offline by doing sudo ping -s 2048 -f and crashing my router

[patent vortex]

i still do selfhost some things

[solid tide]

selfhosting shit is one thing but giving people accounts with ssh access is another

eventually i moved to vps/dedis for it

and at some point it became fully private and only gave access to friends

and then eventually it just died

[ivory heath]

This is a strawman for stuff the vast majority if not no one is gonna do here

Yeah if you wanna be fucking Netflix hosting outside your house isn’t a option

[solid tide]

the biggest bottleneck was people running teamspeak servers

[royal nymph]

if you wanna be anything big, hosting outside your house isn't an option

[pseudo sierra]

[solid tide]

i wasnt exactly drowning in users it was like a dozen or a couple dozen at best but yeah

[patent vortex]

my jellyfin is just me and my family so

I also run akkoma with one other user

[ivory heath]

Maybe not out of your house but out of a business park with a enterprise connection

Which if you have a office you will already have

And if you don’t have a office why don’t you, it increases productivity

[pseudo sierra]

I wonder how much 10gigabit would cost for us

[royal nymph]

maybe because I have normal people money and can't afford renting my own office 😭

and how would that be cheaper than just renting a vps

[ivory heath]

These are things you will already have as a business because connection speed and uptime is money

[pseudo sierra]

apparently enough that you need to contact sales to get a number

tetover

ig I could just ask my dad he works for these fucks

[royal nymph]

horror

in switzerland u can just get 10gigabit in normal households

[ivory heath]

It entirely depends on if fiber was ran to your location already or not

[pseudo sierra]

we already have gigabit fiber

[royal nymph]

nope

there's fibre everywhere in my city and yet it's impossible to get anything close to 10gbps

[ivory heath]

I think we can get 5 gig symmetric here just on demand, we only have 1 gig tho

[royal nymph]

there are some niche providers in some areas but they're insanely priced

meanwhile in switzerland you can get 10gigs for cheaper than 1gig here

germany moment

[pseudo sierra]

[royal nymph]

not that anyone should need those kinds of speed xD

[pseudo sierra]

yeah I can't find anything about 10 gigabit for home users it's all contact sales

tetover

[royal nymph]

i dont even think 1gig is necessary tbh

im happy with 300mbps

[pseudo sierra]

ME I DO

[ivory heath]

300 is too little for large downloads

[royal nymph]

unless you have some sort of job where you need to constantly download data i disagree

I'm fine with waiting an hour for my 100gb game download

[pseudo sierra]

you love downloading games from steam at 500

[royal nymph]

I download large things like that maybe twice a month at most

[ivory heath]

Me when I try and download a 100 gig torrent

[pseudo sierra]

[royal nymph]

for me it's absolutely not worth the higher price

if it was same price obviously no brainer lol

[pseudo sierra]

how much does ur thingy cost rn?

[royal nymph]

too much man, too much

[pseudo sierra]

[royal nymph]

gigabit would cost even more too much

internet situation is catastrophic in this country

a lot of "new" tech's situation is catastrophic

[pseudo sierra]

scary

[royal nymph]

it's what happens when you keep retarded boomers in charge for too long

[pseudo sierra]

we get gigabit up/down for like idr 30 or 40e a month

[worldly sigil]

my family has 1 gigabit, but its fortunately its only about $75-80USD/mo (~70EUR) which isn't that bad compared to the only other option which was comcast

[pseudo sierra]

scary

[worldly sigil]

there was a guy i was talking to who lives in toronto, and he gets 6 gigabits for like 60CAD/mo cuz he lives in an apartment complex

[pseudo sierra]

holy shit need

[royal nymph]

here it's like 55€/month at least and you need to switch provider every two years to keep the price low

[pseudo sierra]

insane

[ivory heath]

That’s everywhere for any speed honestly

[jade stone]

i have gigabit down and that's good enough for me

(only like 50mbit up tho 😭

[royal nymph]

nah bro when I look at other European countries they're all way better and cheaper internet 😭

[ivory heath]

nearly all ISP give a 1-2 year promotional period where its cheaper

so its cheaper to just switch the one your'e using

[royal nymph]

oh youre talking about the switch every 2y part

[ivory heath]

yes

[royal nymph]

well yeah

but it's still way more expensive here

[deep mulch]

SATAN INTERNET

[twin matrix]

SATAN INTERNET

[opal vessel]

my isp only goes up to i think 33/mo after 2 years (we've been with them for almost 1 now) which for 1000/300 i think is totally reasonable

[fierce pendant]

i should make a game

[twin matrix]

i sure hope you know what you are doing

[shrewd canopy]

Cloud servers are like $3
Good server hardware itself is like over $100

[shrewd canopy]

That sounds like recipe for killing sandy cpu users

[fierce pendant]

i like the idea of xlibre but why are they nazis

[ivory heath]

Why are you using ANYTHING pre skylake in the big 26. Also usually people who do that also offer -v2 builds

[signal solar]

maybe this is a better place to ask

[ivory heath]

33 what? USD? Where do you live?

[opal vessel]

eur

and italy

[ivory heath]

For 1 vcore on an Intel platinum from 2017 yeah? A raspberry pi is just as fast if not faster in some aspects

The CHEAPEST you can get with a reliable host like hetzner is 5 USD a month

[ivory heath]

Wow that’s really cheap

[opal vessel]

we do have i think the fifth best fiber infrastructure in all of europe

[ivory heath]

Is it govt owned?

[shrewd canopy]

If it works then don't touch it

[opal vessel]

wdym by government owned

[shrewd canopy]

I don't see a point of replacing my current hardware if it still works

[ivory heath]

Because newer hardware will pay itself off in the power bill alone

[signal solar]

hi conversationalists

i love conversations

[ivory heath]

Is the infrastructure privately owned or by the government?

For example a lot of buildings in NYC are owned by the port authority not a company

[opal vessel]

oh no its privately owned

its also mainly two companies that do it

[shrewd canopy]

(It won't)
Efficiency is not the reason why would I upgrade to new hardware

In fact new hw will eat more

[ivory heath]

This pisses me off even more because you’re fucking over everyone else to support some shitty platform no one should be fucking using in the big 26

On yeah my PC could run 30% faster but much haswell/sandybridge

[ivory heath]

It will eat less because the total time your cpu spends pegged at 100% is only a fraction.

Unless you go with AMD an Infinity fabric will fuck you over with a 30 watt idle power draw

[shrewd canopy]

2012 hedt eats less than 2026 hedt
so cap

[ivory heath]

In applications where AVX2 can be used its literally twice as fast if not more due to more complex instructions

[shrewd canopy]

Only reason why would i even upgrade is really security and software/firmware support

[ivory heath]

Mmm yeah keep using your platform that’s 50% slower since launch

Why are you even comparing 2012 HEDT to 2026 when it’s an order of magnitude faster

You should be comparing entry level hardware to 2012 HEDT

Perf per watt has also gone up accordingly too

Anything 2012 is DDR3 as well so it’s not like you’re losing anything by losing the 2-4 channels extra HEDT has

Something something some stupid cope about ECC ram when consumer platforms support it now?

[shrewd canopy]

sorry bro surely everyone has at least $4000 to buy ram and gpu

[ivory heath]

Where are you making up these numbers from? You can very healthily build something 12400 based or whatever Intel has now for less than 500 USD

unless you just need 256 gigs of ram or something?

[shrewd canopy]

Shortage
Alder lake cpus stopped getting produced recently so no (and yes i need lots of ram for ai)
And no im not american

[supple whale]

https://github.com/mrcanelas/jassub-embedded

HOLY FUCKING SKILL ISSUE

tell me you dont know how to configure a bundler without telling me

[fierce pendant]

i should make a game

[unkempt ember]

Yes, you should.

[ivory heath]

running ai on 2012 HEDT (no matter the vendor or the specific chip) is hilarious

[patent vortex]

running ai is hilarious

[supple whale]

decided to try local AI

so far i have BSOD's like 8 times, and once i booted without windows detecting ANY drvies

[supple whale]

i found a good use for my fibre tho

hugging face has god servers

[solid tide]

33 kb for a fully transparent image is wild
https://hypixelskyblock.minecraft.wiki/w/File:Blank_Icon.png

[jade stone]

skyblock mentioned

[jade stone]

tried this out a bit today

good lord this is VERY alpha

ran into 2 bad compiler bugs in the first two files i tried

the typescript integration needs heavy work

[jade stone]

Like their compiler is so bad it can't handle scopes

eg https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/block#block_scoping_rules_with_var_or_function_declaration_in_non-strict_mode

It just ICEs on that

[ornate quiver]

seems promising

[jade stone]

I have high hopes but low expectations

[queen jasper]

is this a thing, or just something i installed

[solid tide]

this is a vanilla thing

[queen jasper]

idk i think i pressed f3+ something to edit

f3+f6

[solid tide]

yea

[shrewd canopy]

Sounds like horrible hw for ai

[shrewd canopy]

Well why not
But i meant on new hardware

[rare mica]

guys is anyone of yall good in sending webhook msgs?

[fallen nebula]

i tried "agentic engeenering" for the first time
just vibing a project without looking at all at what the AI is doing
it seemed to go quite well with lots of hiccups, but eh

and then i peaked behind the curtain and what the flip, how did the AI delete /dev/null, i don't even want to know

[hot rampart]

whats dev/null

[fierce pendant]

yo mods is this real

mods can we confirm this

mods

mods

@Moderators can we confirm this

mods

mods

[cinder egret]

vsb 1 scam

[elder yarrow]

Done!

softbanned @meager spade

[pseudo sierra]

a system file that you can write anything to and it'll just discard it

[hot rampart]

what does softbanning do

[hot rampart]

[opal vessel]

bans, deletes messages sent in the last day (by default but can be changed) then unbans

its a glorified kick

[hot rampart]

[winged mantle]

i heard some bots do another unban and ban after that just to make sure

i think discord made purge more consistent now though

[fallen nebula]

/dev/null on linux is a black hole
what you pipe or redirect into gets deleted from existence

[cedar tulip]

should be a name of an achievement

[winged mantle]

i imagine the description is just "why the fuck would you do this"

[jade stone]

@eternal gust I added an animation to the button to see the friends page of my site so people will actually find it

thoughts

(just visit https://sadan.zip to see it)

[lyric latch]

@jade stone Something went wrong! WebAssembly is not defined

add WA check

❤️

[jade stone]

try not using something from 2003 👍

[lyric latch]

it's for security but mostly not having to load insane effects

[jade stone]

can you still visit discord web

do they require wasm now

or do they still have a fallback from libdiscore

[lyric latch]

still works for me

@jade stone what if for the snow you spawned 200 svgs

and animate them using JS

⠀

[jade stone]

husk

i already animate a canvas with js

i don't think svgs would be any more performant

[eternal gust]

nice. i will say, the interval for the friends modal should be shorter

[jade stone]

@lyric latch try now, i just wrapped wasm in try-catch

if someone doesn't have it and visits a page that needs it

well

[jade stone]

wdym

which interval

[eternal gust]

well ok not interval but the amount of time needed to hold the button

in order to trigger the modal

[jade stone]

how much shorter

[eternal gust]

maaaybe by about 2x. the start is fine but it really slows down near the end

otherwise looks good

[jade stone]

pushed a change, try it now

[eternal gust]

awesome ty sadan

[stuck scaffold]

idk if this is the right channel, but does anyone know if its possible to spoof being on mobile to get higher upload limits?

i noticed its possible to upload larger files from my phone on the web version of discord

[stuck scaffold]

ah maybe

i looked through plugins and didnt see anything for that

[solid tide]

how much larger? are you sure it isn't 1000 vs 1024 fooling you?

[stuck scaffold]

i uploaded a 12mb image from my iphone, i copy the same file from my pc and i get the upload limit message

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1166486609479356516/1498126581946646729/IMG_1761.jpeg?ex=69f0069a&is=69eeb51a&hm=1d1227ea08c0dfcc3d2dac51495be9b358ce24298178ed31f168a8b47a215753& this is the image

[solid tide]

was it byte for byte the same file? maybe it's HEIC vs JPEG

[stuck scaffold]

yes

[solid tide]

interesting

[stuck scaffold]

i have set my phone to save images as JPEG

[patent vortex]

is this a T420?

[stuck scaffold]

yeah

the drive im messing with is out of the NUC in the background

[patent vortex]

my T430 had the T420 keyboard mod until a few months ago

[stuck scaffold]

im thinking about buying an x230 and doing that

i love the keyboard, it feels better than my mechanical keyboard

[patent vortex]

it died because I didn’t tape the pins

[stuck scaffold]

i heard that sometimes it just burns out that one pin and then works fine

[patent vortex]

I think it’s just luck

lasted two weeks then some keys stopped working

[dense sand]

Rip minio

[jade stone]

What

[ionic lake]

It's now Aistore

and went closed source

I knew something was sketch of it either way but they need to make money somehow so respect it, just not the bait and switch

[dense sand]

would take a look at https://github.com/deuxfleurs-org/garage

[pearl parrot]

this looks nice

and in Rust so it must be nice

[queen jasper]

i haven't done anything productive for like 4 to 5 days straight after installing linux

[fallen nebula]

guys what's the way in javascript to deal with zip files
ideally with the least amount of dependencies, proper modern support stuff tiny and fast
because i hate that when i search i find thousand of impl
i just want a single good one...

[royal nymph]

tiny and fast? https://www.npmjs.com/package/fflate

but it's way less convenient than some alternatives

[fallen nebula]

This is one of the things i've found
Seems to have correct handling, no dep itself, relatively modern, not bloated work on all JS env and OS agnostic

Honestly the js world is such a pin the js env should have a proper API to handle compressed files and stuff i shouldn't have to worry about it...

[royal nymph]

I used this in the past for making chrome + firefox extension zips in Vencord's build pipeline but something about the zips it created wasn't fully compatible with chrome and I was too lazy to debug so I just switched to a more simple library

[fallen nebula]

Wdym not fully compatible with chrome ? And what did you swap to ?

[royal nymph]

I use https://www.npmjs.com/package/zip-local now which is way simpler than fflate too but there are probably better alternatives

fflate isn't that convenient to use

e.g. if you want to zip a folder you have to manually load all files as Uint8Array and pass them to fflate afaik

there are other libs which just let u do things like `zip.sync("./dir")

[fallen nebula]

4 dependencies : sus

[royal nymph]

it really depends on what ur use case is

fflate is great if you want speed or something tiny you can ship to your frontend

maybe look for an alternative if this is for nodejs developer sided stuff

[fallen nebula]

I want ideally to really not explode deps

[fallen nebula]

Technically it shouldn't ever be used in frontend

I want to use it in a lib used in dev env / CI via node / bun / deno / whatever one might imagine to run js in the future
And work on every OS and stuff

[royal nymph]

why do dependencies matter this much if it's just for some ci and dev env

I get it I hate having too many dependencies too but some are okay

well just use fflate if you want zero :p

[fallen nebula]

Because dependencies is risk

Also fflate seems mostly good

Need to read it entirely tho

[royal nymph]

I wouldn't really recommend that package (I don't even remember why I chose it) but if you look at its four dependencies, they all have >10million downloads a week

dependencies aren't inherently bad, just check them and if they're very unpopular maybe don't

and wait a few days after new releases before updating packages (you can configure minimum age in most package managers)

with dependencies with that many Downloads as long as you wait a few days people/npm will always notice if they add malicious things

[fallen nebula]

Pain

I think i'll just give up on js

I honestly get why Web devs like vibecoding now
Stop worrying about stuff

[royal nymph]

why r u acting like dependency hell doesn't happen in most languages 😭

have u ever seen how many dependencies the average rust project has

[fallen nebula]

That's one reason why i don't like rust

It's too easy to get dependencies

[royal nymph]

but yeah I'm not a fan of dependency hell either I get you

I'm very cautious about which dependencies I add and still end up with hundreds of deps

[queen jasper]

lol i remember getting 10% of my storage eaten by a tauri project, doing the most bare minimum thing

[fallen nebula]

Actually when i do Java i nearly never install any dep
When i do C i never have deps as i just vendor stuff, i stop depending on it and just incorporate
In python i kinda already stopped caring because it's such a pain
I like using pure vanilla javascript for making my website and i use 0 dep and i just do everything myself
But here i decided to try out do it the good way use node bun deno (deno seems to actually be the closest to something i can appreciate, has not much bs) and use typescript and dependencies if needed but it just doesn't feel good
Like rn i'm using a single dependency which is eemeli yaml thing because it itself has no dep and is quite clean
https://jsr.io/@eemeli/yaml
It has a lot of code alr but it's yaml and yaml is like json but even worse so pain but fine

[royal nymph]

yeah rust eats your disk like nothing else

[patent vortex]

and ram when compiling because of the deps

I have to close everything else when compiling impactor on my 16gb computer

[lyric latch]

i bought my ram, i will use 100% of my ram

[jade stone]

insane

Why do you need yaml

[fallen nebula]

because i want to do something related to yaml

[jade stone]

evil

Just use json

[ivory heath]

Just use less compiler instances

[fallen nebula]

i cannot

i need to deal with the fact the stuff i want to deal with use yaml

[ivory heath]

If rust had tree shaking the dependency hell it’s in wouldn’t be as bad but due to it being… rust it’s very hard to do so

[jade stone]

[ivory heath]

What?

We love -j1

Does rust use LLD? its just the systems default. You can try mold to decrease ram usage

[jade stone]

uses lld by default on linux

[ivory heath]

It’s whatever CC defaults to

[jade stone]

no, it uses lld by default on linux

On other platforms, it uses the system linker

[ivory heath]

Oh it changed in 1.90

[fleet cedar]

No, 1.90

[ivory heath]

https://blog.rust-lang.org/2025/09/01/rust-lld-on-1.90.0-stable/

I’m surprised they haven’t hand fisted mold

[jade stone]

I still need to try mold with rust

[lyric latch]

you're eating mold with rust?

[ivory heath]

Yes

[solemn mauve]

@rancid galleon hey, for the tenor textreplace you did, the 2nd rule seems to not remove the language part

[rancid galleon]

works for me idk i updated yesterday cuz it stopped working for me after some update

[solemn mauve]

It doesn't work with 2 letters locale https://tenor.com/es/view/sigh-ugh-gif-20357661

[rancid galleon]

oh

well i got gpt to spit out this monstrosity
https:\/\/tenor\.com\/(?:[a-zA-Z]{2}(?:-[a-zA-Z]{2})?\/)?view

[tall nebula]

That's not necessary, Discord has NVenc support natively on Linux nowadays

NVenc and Vulkan Video, you can choose

[gray gyro]

really?

Why does OpenH264 get selected as the default codec in that case?

[tall nebula]

It's an experiment that you need to enable

https://reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1s2l0pj/discord_nvidia_hardwareaccelerated_screen_sharing/

I guess it's not very known because I never seen anyone talk about it

[gray gyro]

Oh, I saw that. But when I tried to enable it on my vesktop*, it didn't work for me.

[tall nebula]

It won't work in Vesktop

That's a feature in the Discord client and afaik Vesktop is just a Chromium wrapper for the Discord Web

[gray gyro]

But I need a version that will work for Vesktop

[elder yarrow]

From @jade stone (video muted):

[jade stone]

got bored and remade discords toasts

@lyric latch rate

[torpid solar]

LOVE

Vee actually made

[pearl parrot]

VEE VON VITLER

@jade stone use imagehost

[lyric latch]

i dont like discord toasts cuz theyre so tiny

[royal nymph]

it mutes too

[queen jasper]

tiny? i think it's average

[lyric latch]

my bad

[jade stone]

@supple whale GUH

i found an annoying bug with vite

it just doesn't emit css files

[supple whale]

throwback to that worker issue of mine

xd

[jade stone]

@supple whale it gets weirder
setting inlineConst to {} or {mode: "all"} will cause the issue
setting inlineConst to {mode: "smart"} does not cause the issue

the weird part is that the default for inlineConst is {mode: "smart"}

guh

https://github.com/vitejs/vite/issues/22344

[lyric latch]

rolldown momen

[jade stone]

@supple whale tanstack start recently added support for rsbuild

might try it to get away from vite

[pearl parrot]

sadan.zip is so bloated

[fallen nebula]

look at that DOM isn't it clean as hell

[jade stone]

How

What do I remove

[jade stone]

GUHHHHHHHHhttps://github.com/unjs/unplugin/issues/47

[dense sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372978041286033601/1498757486772093010/5dfv0bn.webm?ex=69f2522e&is=69f100ae&hm=6651e591ee95b28414d46ea91a99f8bdddee3bff6adf6a0f7bd9205e94e9cacb&

wtf is happening to my site 😭

its literally an empty page

[lyric latch]

average recursive react useEffect

[dense sand]

i dont even use anything from react, i was just scaffolding my site with simple jsx and tailwind

[lyric latch]

why is it infinitely loading though

[dense sand]

ive got like no clue

istg if bun is the cause again

okay it isnt bun lol

[supple whale]

react!!!

WOOO

REACT

oh

bun!!!!

WOOO

BUN

XD

[dense sand]

okay i found the cause

for some reason when i put tooltip into a dialog trigger in baseui it leaks memory?!

[lyric latch]

it just kinda sounds like recursive calls tbh

cuz nothing's actually rendering

[lyric latch]

@jade stone delete

oh nvm u arent mod

[jade stone]

how

i'm not a mod

[lyric latch]

@solemn ravine

[lyric latch]

become one yk

[solemn ravine]

Discord is shitting themselves venbot will probably get them

[jade stone]

wouldn't that make venbot less likely to get it

[solemn ravine]

Ping me when discord comes back

[pseudo sierra]

@solemn ravine

[jade stone]

@solemn ravine

[solemn ravine]

vsb 1 scam

[elder yarrow]

Done!

softbanned @slim axle

[jade stone]

samager

[shrewd canopy]

https://www.blender.org/press/anthropic-joins-the-blender-development-fund-as-corporate-patron/

anthropic and openai infecting oss 😁

[solemn ravine]

I don’t see the problem

More money for blender, they deserve it

[solemn ravine]

@young flicker you're so stupid

I can see that

[winged mantle]

why can't C alternatives be normal

constants determined from doc comments

[jade stone]

oh god this is horrid

just use a keyword

[unkempt ember]

At least your documentation is up to date.

[winged mantle]

i guess i should keep "waiting for" zig

[ornate quiver]

anyone know how to bypass the drm in microsoft vsc extensions that lock them to official vscode builds and make using 3rd party vsc forks impossible?

[jade stone]

Which one in specific

[ornate quiver]

the remote development over ssh extension

microsoft one

[jade stone]

I thought vscodium had a reimplementation of it

@ornate quiver https://open-vsx.org/extension/jeanp413/open-remote-ssh

[ornate quiver]

does it?

the most i see by default in vscodium is "open a remote window"
and the options menu is empty

[jade stone]

Don't think so

It looks like actual code

[ornate quiver]

guhh is there one on the official vsc extension store

i made vscodium use the official store

yeah and then updates wont work

[jade stone]

I thought you said there was drm

[ornate quiver]

there's drm in some of the microsoft extensions themselves

doesnt mean the rest dont work

[royal nymph]

rini just told me she always vibecodes now @young flicker

[jade stone]

+:hus

[ornate quiver]

okay thanks i got it working

[lyric latch]

husl more like musl haha

[patent vortex]

LMFAO

[lyric latch]

ikr 🤣

[patent vortex]

😂

[royal nymph]

Die

[lyric latch]

On my way!

[next abyss]

jsdoc c 🥀

[fair cliff]

hey everyone

what yall cooking today

i wonder what y'all definition of vibe coding? is it because of not understanding the code or you code that you've made something you self proclaimed that you coded but you just don't want to say that you use ai.

[opal vessel]

its vibecoded if you let the ai do everything and you dont touch it at all

if there is human intervention it depends

if you only use ai to write a couple lines or fix some errors its not vibecoding

but if its all ai written and you're the one to edit a few things here and there id still say its vibecoded

thats just my opinion though

[pearl parrot]

it's vibecoding if @royal nymph made it or if you blindly let ai make code

[lyric latch]

i think it depends on how much effort you put into generating the code

[opal vessel]

elaborate

[lyric latch]

like if you already have the architecture planned and you type it out to the ai to generate it for you and review then its not really vibecoding

you already know what you want

[opal vessel]

ehhhh

[lyric latch]

its faster for ai to type it out for you since natural language is less verbose than code

i just iterate with cheap models nowadays, i hate having to type the same thing for the 100th time

(if i find myself fighting with the model more, i just end up doing it myself)

[hazy pine]

If an LLM wrote every line of your code, but you've reviewed, tested, and understood it all, that's not vibe coding in my book—that's using an LLM as a typing assistant.

[night sphinx]

its just code autocomplete for me

sometimes it hits most times its shit

[hazy pine]

jetbrain IDEs have this feature thats like a really tiny locally run llm to autocomplete the rest of the line you're typing

really advanced autocomplete that for some reason loves popping up right as im about to press tab for regular code completion and fills my code with broken slop <3

[opal vessel]

#need this in vscode

[night sphinx]

make ur own

#vscodeisnvim

[fleet cedar]

Whoever decided ai complete should use the same hotkey as lsp complete should be fired

[hazy pine]

make an amoeba whos only purpose is to write code slightly faster than you

[hazy pine]

i want that guy SHOT

[fair cliff]

that's a nice take

personally i just use ai if i have any questions then proceed to code it myself

[hazy pine]

HELL YEAH

ai is surprisingly decent for research

and to give answers so stupid that my rage figures it out for me

[jade stone]

TRUE

[fierce pendant]

turn ai complete off gang 🥀 😭 😫

[jade stone]

I have it off most of the time but then there's something that it would be really nice for (eg: editing a bunch of lines at once where it can predict the next changes) so I turn it back on and then forget to turn it off

[queen jasper]

i installed nvim to larp during screenshot and couldn't exit it after, help

[fierce pendant]

:qa!

[queen jasper]

you saved my life

[valid jetty]

add ! to :q force, but if you want to also save the file you need to do :w first

you can also :x to do :w and then :q

if you do :w first you wont need to :q! to quit, :q would work fine

[ornate quiver]

:wq saves and quits too

[lucid forge]

:!pkill vim

[lone dock]

do i risk ban using vencord?

[patent vortex]

this is the programming channel

[lone dock]

oh

[patent vortex]

#🏥-vencord-support-🏥

[lone dock]

Ty

[winged mantle]

https://bsky.app/profile/tsoding.bsky.social/post/3lvlzzmdbo22i

Тsфdiиg (@tsoding.bsky.social)

Dynamic Array in Rust

Bluesky · Aug 4, 2025, 8:31 PM

[fierce pendant]

what

[winged mantle]

I feel like C would be so much better if types weren't just a suggestion

[fierce pendant]

rust is so cool

its memory safe

[fleet cedar]

That looks unsound, that *blah = item; will drop an uninit

[sour wing]

just one more c-like language and we'll replace c forever guys just one more just one m-

[queen jasper]

linux is literlay awesome, i would never experience such luxury on my window

my minceraft in window would hardly get consistent 60

[lyric latch]

yeah because you run minecraft in a computer, not in a window 🤣

[serene elk]

😂 😂

[dense sand]

i just got job in a fucking Vue field and ive never written a line in vue

[fierce pendant]

W

@ionic lake do you vue

[ionic lake]

Yes

[valid jetty]

well yeah but :x is more fun

[supple whale]

WTF v

[ornate quiver]

amazin

[cedar tulip]

translation be like

[royal nymph]

what's wrong

there's no better way to do that

anything unicode is always going to be insane code

[runic sundial]

Missing some leading zeroes otherwise true

[solid gazelle]

67

[fierce pendant]

67

[patent vortex]

LMAO

[winged mantle]

where

all results I find are AI slop

[solid gazelle]

ass

https://github.com/altqx/libass/tree/master/libass/ass_parse.c

theres a bunch of these where they could just do == but i suppose it doesnt matter since it's c so its gonna be optimized away by the compiler anyway

[fierce pendant]

crazy how we are gonna call vscode users boomers soon

i will always continue using vscode

[winged mantle]

lol what kind of software is free for linux does brave just know linux users complain about things more

[crimson sparrow]

This has to be ragebait?

No real person would do this

[gilded surge]

a person who wants consistent formatting would

[royal nymph]

its probably autogenerated and they forgot to check if start = end

[winged mantle]

parsing the arse

[crimson sparrow]

Now that I look at it in context, voxxus theory seems likely

[winged mantle]

i saw lots of code like this in ai generated stuff

they just use the platform dependent int for codepoint

use uint32_t smh

[royal nymph]

does it matter tho

[winged mantle]

probably not

less typing though and technically better

[royal nymph]

no one running ts on a 16 bit cpu

[winged mantle]

usually better just to be explicit about the number of bits because e.g. long is 32-bit on windows and 64-bit on linux

and nobody wants to write unsigned long long

honestly imo they should've gone with loong instead of long long

[royal nymph]

each o doubles bits

long = 32
loong = 64
looong = 128
loooong = 256

[winged mantle]

lng = 16

[royal nymph]

and there's also lOng which is bigint without bit limit

[winged mantle]

😭 imagine C having types which automatically do heap allocation

[royal nymph]

shrimply

#define loong long long

[winged mantle]

#defien looong __int128

i find it amusing how in my editor long still renders as a keyword even with more os

also #define us unsigned

[royal nymph]

@winged mantle

#define u8 int
#define u16 int
#define u32 int
#define u64 int
#define u128 int
#define i8 int
#define i16 int
#define i32 int
#define i64 int
#define i128 int

[fierce pendant]

i am genuinely programming in civet rn

[winged mantle]

fixed

#define u8   int
#define u16  int
#define u32  int
#define u64  int
#define u128 int
#define i8   int
#define i16  int
#define i32  int
#define i64  int
#define i128 int

[vagrant crescent]

alrighty so question time.
im trying to make a wallpaperengine on mac, and they have heavy sandboxing for their main desktop background thing and their lockscreen background so im using a frame approach where it preloads a screenshot for each frame of the video and stores in ram then pulls it from ram to then show it which causes the black screen stutter thing. i know this is a bad method but its the only one i can think of, any ideas?

[royal nymph]

why does it look like an ipad

[vagrant crescent]

apple things

[royal nymph]

and why is ur shit in ggrandpa mode 😭

[vagrant crescent]

what does thta mean

[royal nymph]

do we really need our dock this big

[vagrant crescent]

ohh 😭

yes

i like it big

easier on the eyes

do not take that out of context

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1361044808831078483.gif?size=160&name=lick+lick+lick&lossless=true

[royal nymph]

also i dont even think thats a bad approach lol

[vagrant crescent]

yeah

but the stutter black screen shit

i cant get passed it

[vagrant crescent]

for anyone who wants to tinker around with it
https://github.com/686udjie/Wallah

yes the icon is Shoe0nHead

[royal nymph]

wallah 😭

[vagrant crescent]

wallah

[vagrant crescent]

i fell into the overengineered pit

apple uses HEIC/.mov for animated wallpapers, as they call it

but using avplayer +the frame approach (if it will work) will support all mac versions

(with the downside of using a lot of ram/battery

GUHHHH

[vagrant crescent]

at most i can js add a function that checks software version and if its old i can use the approach im using rn

ts so stupid i thought this can be done in a few hours

[vagrant crescent]

metadata (in the actual wallpaper file) is also an issue

avfoundation might be able to remux

[vagrant crescent]

Might be best i enter the rabbithole after my finals HAHA

[dense sand]

yea well this is a TanStack project, why is it recommeneding me nextjs shit 😭

[fierce pendant]

😭

this is like comparing kendrick lamar to femtanyl

[jade stone]

is that AI or some linter

[dense sand]

biome

[jade stone]

hop on eslint

[dense sand]

no

biome is blazingly fast

🚀 🚀 🚀 🚀 ✨ ✨ ✨ ✨

[ionic lake]

You might have enabled the nextjs lint rules

If you care there's also oxlint

[dense sand]

yea i just copied the config from the nextjs project

[ionic lake]

All good mate

[shrewd canopy]

Cap

Embedded and 16-bit computing must be still supported

[fierce pendant]

css is hard

[supple whale]

@jade stone did JS ever tell u to drink cocoa

or smth? idk

but man, you know you're fucked when the browser throws an error

you google it

[jade stone]

What

[supple whale]

and there are 0 results

[jade stone]

Hop off macos

Or jsc

[supple whale]

but man

apple users

are so milkable

the cash

imagine

[fierce pendant]

cow therians exist because of that

[fierce pendant]

civet has what tsrx only has now since quite some time

from "preact/hooks" import { useState }
from "preact" import { render }

Counter := () =>
    [count, setCount] := useState 0
    
    <p>Count: {count}</p>
    <button onClick={() => setCount(count + 1)}>+</button>

render <Counter />, document.getElementById("app")!

[dense sand]

can we not

this looks horrible

[fierce pendant]

maybe<T> ::= T?

[dense sand]

can we not use rust

[fierce pendant]

this is functional typescript, not rust

[dense sand]

oh god

[fierce pendant]

Message ::=
    | "good"
    | "bad"

this is funy enum

[dense sand]

TSRX is a TypeScript language extension for building declarative UIs in an agentic era.

[fierce pendant]

says the next.js user

[dense sand]

i dropped nextjs

i dont want to touch that thing anymore

[fierce pendant]

make websites manually using civet and preact

[dense sand]

i use tanstack and spring boot

[fierce pendant]

heck why not just

Counter := document.createElement "div"
Count := Counter.appendChild document.createElement "span"
    ||> .textContent = "0"
Counter.appendChild document.createElement "button"
    ||> .textContent = "+"
    ||> .addEventListener "click", () => Count.textContent = String Number(Count.textContent) + 1

document.getElementById("app")!.appendChild Counter

i dont need reactive state

bruh

[royal nymph]

you need to be lobotomized

[fierce pendant]

why

[fleet cedar]

The fuck is that abomination of a language

[fierce pendant]

https://civet.dev

[fleet cedar]

Scala ja hybrid?

[royal nymph]

disgusting

[fierce pendant]

why

[dense sand]

just use Effect

[royal nymph]

write code like a normal person

[fierce pendant]

they are noway similar

[royal nymph]

even more disgusting

[fierce pendant]

no i am writing code like people did with coffeescript in 2015

[dense sand]

look ive got no idea how to use it, but i felt like if one knows how to use it, it can be pretty cool. its got a pretty steep learning curve (imo); whats wrong with it?

[fierce pendant]

effect is only good if you do error handling. i dont catch my errors, i let them happen

[royal nymph]

I hate fp so personal bias

also forcing it into a non fp language is insane

just use proper fp

[scarlet tendon]

hey v

[royal nymph]

you're writing more less understandable code to achieve the same thing

[royal nymph]

hoi

[scarlet tendon]

i never asked but can i add your such a lit dev

[dense sand]

i mean to me it looked pretty neat how you can get the nice "fluent" approach along with nice error handling when doing backend calls or something like that. do i just not do that, am i having skill issue or is there any other good library for this

[winged mantle]

multiline for loop without braces makes me uncomfortable

[tired vigil]

ew

[fierce pendant]

https://lit.dev/ i hear

[fierce pendant]

you can use braces if you want

the language is fully compatible with js

[fierce pendant]

<mrow> is a cool name for a xml tag

[shrewd canopy]

https://www.qt.io/ what about the goat

[fierce pendant]

from this picture i would guess qt is a car company

[ionic lake]

Because it is deployed on cars

Tesla used electron afair but not sure anymore

[jade stone]

Insane. Why does everyone hate braces. One of the reasons I dislike python is because it doesn't use braces

[fierce pendant]

i love braces, but i just like this syntax

[jade stone]

How

Some of the design choices are insane

What do you mean Jsx doesn't need closing tags

[fierce pendant]

i dont write jsx in this language

[jade stone]

I'm not saying you do?

[fierce pendant]

then why does it amtter

[lucid forge]

they have the penis opperator and a version with only one ball 🙁

[fierce pendant]

this is shithubs fault

[lucid forge]

peak

is syntax highlighting shitting itself also a civet feature

?

[placid cape]

Lol

[lucid forge]

• as syntax

im pretty sure thats the only unicode syntax in this

[fleet cedar]

This looks like someone had fun writing a parser but then somewhy decided to market it as a language

[lucid forge]

nevermind

this is nothing like Haskell!!

/run ```js
<!-- this is already javascript
console.log("hi")

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @lucid forge

hi

[fierce pendant]

if you use vscode, yes

[scarlet tendon]

what would cause my game when i use npm run dev to show rpc but when not using it, it wont show the stats

[royal nymph]

wtf is this 😭

this just makes it seem like a meme language

[ornate quiver]

https://fxtwitter.com/night_owlll/status/2051037661184299431/

night_owlll (@night_owlll)

↩ (@NINtendo_maya)
@NINtendo_maya it's like the software version of not being able to find the clit

**💬 1 🔁 5 ❤️ 49 👁️ 2.2K **

FxTwitter · May 3, 2026, 8:34 PM

i love how this debate between tech illiterate users complaining about github usability is still going in 2026

[jade stone]

It's like me when I started using Linux wondering where the installers for every package were

[fierce pendant]

unc gotta chill bruh

[elder yarrow]

👉 #🏥-vencord-support-🏥

(Auto-response invoked by @fierce pendant)

[delicate root]

I unironically like Civet

It compiles to JS/TS in the end so it kind of acts like a fun language to me

(the pipelines is what sold it to me)

(the lang itself just feels like gayer scala to me)

[lucid forge]

/run ```js
const pipe = (a, ...fns) => fns.reduce((a, f) => f(a), a)

pipe(
{ foo: "bar", baz: 1 },
Object.entries,
e => e.filter(([, v]) => typeof v == "string"),
console.log,
)

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @lucid forge

[ [ 'foo', 'bar' ] ]

[lucid forge]

do

who needs pipe operator

[delicate root]

that's cringe though

actual pipe operator is hotter

[royal nymph]

illegal

[jade stone]

?remind 7h is this possible to type properly

[delicate grove]

Alright @jade stone, in 7 hours: is this possible to type properly

[jade stone]

i think it is

[jade stone]

doesnt even work lol

oh wait

i'm dum

[lucid forge]

i also was confused for a sec "wait why did it return both keys"

[royal nymph]

not really

there are no variadic types

[jade stone]

Tuples?

Take the rest param as a tuple

[royal nymph]

not possible because each type needs to depend on the previous type

[jade stone]

Recursive type

[royal nymph]

you need to write overloads manually

[jade stone]

Wdym

[royal nymph]

type F<T, R> = (v: T) => R;

function pipe<T, R1>(initialValue: T, ...fns: [F<T, R1>]): R1;
function pipe<T, R1, R2>(initialValue: T, ...fns: [F<T, R1>, F<R1, R2>]): R2;
function pipe<T, R1, R2, R3>(initialValue: T, ...fns: [F<T, R1>, F<R1, R2>, F<R2, R3>]): R3;
// ...

[jade stone]

Yeah that's what I want to avoid

[royal nymph]

there are no variadic generics so you can't do this in a way that doesn't require manual overloads

[lucid forge]

surely if you do like 7 of them u wont need more

[jade stone]

I'm still going to try when I wake up

[royal nymph]

at least I can't think of any possible way

if u do it with smth like

pipeline(value)
  .pipe(x => x)
  .pipe(x => x)
  .pipe(x => x)
  .pipe(x => x)
  .result()

thats easy

but not without some form of curry

[jade stone]

Recursive type, keep track of the current input, if only one left, return output else recurse with new output

Type check as you go and return never if it fails

Bad errors tho

Idk how to get around that

[royal nymph]

I've written various recursive types but I really don't think this is possible

Getting the return type after all operations is possible but I don't think showing you the right type in each function you pass is possible

[jade stone]

Yeah I think that would need generated overloads

[royal nymph]

if u write it like this u can type it pretty easily

function pipeline(value) {
    return function(transform) {
        return arguments.length ? pipeline(transform(value)) : value;
    }
}

pipeline({ foo: "bar", baz: 1 })
    (Object.entries)
    (e => e.filter(([, v]) => typeof v == "string"))
    (console.log)
    ()

u also make it look like lisp

[lucid forge]

peak

[jade stone]

God my formatter would mangle that so badly

We just need tsserver support for the pipeline operator

[royal nymph]

we have pipeline operator at home ```js
const pipeline = v => Object.assign(() => v, {"|":(t)=>pipeline(t(v))});

pipeline({ foo: "bar", baz: 1 })
["|"] (Object.entries)
["|"] (e => e.filter(([, v]) => typeof v == "string"))
["|"] (console.log)
()

[jade stone]

@royal nymph have you seen c++ pipe operator

[lucid forge]

/run ```js
(async () => {

await Promise.resolve({ foo: "bar", baz: 1 })
.then(Object.entries)
.then(e => e.filter(([, v]) => typeof v == "string"))
.then(console.log)

})()

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @lucid forge

[ [ 'foo', 'bar' ] ]

[lucid forge]

u just reinvented .then chaining @royal nymph

[maiden iris]

foo bar 😱

[jade stone]

Me when each chain adds a task to the event loop

[lucid forge]

the more u yield the better

[lyric latch]

my beloved kotlin Function22

[fallen nebula]

i managed to find a bug in firefox while just trying to make it so you can enter tab characters
https://julienraptor01.ddns.net/Tab is the way.html
also am i not a fire web designer

[delicate grove]

@jade stone, <t:1777876832:R>: is this possible to type properly

[fierce pendant]

chat what should i do

[lyric latch]

super cool

[winged mantle]

not necessarily a bug, I mean trapping tab is something you have to implement yourself right? (and isn't necessarily encouraged?)
(IDK just going off my vague memory of codemirror)

hmm i wonder if codemirror has a workaround

i think what they do is just stop trapping tab when escape has been pressed rather than unfocusing the elemnt

[fallen nebula]

no no, try it on chromium and firefox and you can see the bug

on chromium which act like you expect, if you use blur then tab it goes to the next element

on firefox it refocus

even if you don't trap tab

[fallen nebula]

this makes it clearer
https://julienraptor01.ddns.net/Firefox Bug.html

just see the difference when you press escape to unfocus and press tab vs just tabbing

[winged mantle]

I see this, but is the browser obligated to have chrome's behaviour by the standard? (don't really know, that's why I am asking)

[fallen nebula]

well i don't know so :

guys can someone tell me how this goes on safari
does it do the same behavior when you keep pressing tab and when you alternate tab and escape like chromium or does it do weird shit like firefox ?

[fallen nebula]

also the chromium behavior is what i would actually expect and it's consistent while the firefox one is all over the place actually
like some of the stuff refocus on itself, some refocus on earlier, it's really weird and unexpected

[gilded surge]

firefox does not refocus on non-text fields

[jade stone]

@supple whale found another vite css module bug

https://github.com/vitejs/vite/issues/22388

[royal nymph]

love

[supple whale]

another day another....

[jade stone]

sometimes i wonder how nobody else has ran into this

do people really not use css modules via namespace imports

import * as styles from "./styles.module.css";

[shrewd canopy]

| and ranges?

[jade stone]

yes

[royal nymph]

I use import styles from "module.css"

hop off * import

[shrewd canopy]

they're quite good
i would prefer

template <std::number T>
T multiply_and_sum(std::span<T> const values)
{
  auto mulitply = [](T const& x) -> T { return x * 2; };
  auto multiplied = values | std::ranges::transform(multiply);

  return std::ranges::fold_left(multiplied, T{0], std::plus<T>{});
}

over std::accumulate

[jade stone]

you love no tree-shaking, inlining or bundler warnings

[royal nymph]

tree shaking
don't have unused classes
inlining
sure but who cares
bundler warnings
?

[jade stone]

if you use a namespace import, your bundler should warn you if you're referencing a undefined class

@royal nymph

[royal nymph]

why not do this via type system

[supple whale]

i use import './styles.css'

miss me with that gay shit

[jade stone]

wdym

[royal nymph]

type error

[gilded surge]

wow actually good interrupt controls

[full hinge]

sup

[jade stone]

@lyric latch found insane bug with tanstack router

this code errors only when building for rsbuild

export function cast<T>(value: any): T {
  return <T>value;
}

it doesnt bother with the extension of the file and always parses as JSX only for rsbuild

[royal nymph]

stop using this horrid cast syntax 😭

and stop finding bugs smh

[jade stone]

this came from code i was vendoring

they minified it so i couldn't use pnpm patch

[royal nymph]

guhhh

ofc the same people who use that horrid cast syntax also minify their library

[jade stone]

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-textmate/blob/main/src/theme.ts#L510

microslop

[pearl stag]

theme.ts: Line 510

const emptyParentScopes= Object.freeze(<ScopeName[]>[]);

[royal nymph]

GUHHHHHHHHH

evil

[jade stone]

oh, thanks codesandbox

[royal nymph]

love

[jade stone]

GUHHHHHHHHHHH

DOES IT EVER END

[calm ruin]

THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR USING RUST ON WEBAPP

[jade stone]

fixed already

[jade stone]

@royal nymph love? https://rsbuild.rs/guide/styling/css-modules#type-generation

just found out that it exists

[cedar tulip]

i see no problem with that

[cedar tulip]

its 4AM so answer may take some time

[jade stone]

never ending

https://github.com/TanStack/router/issues/7344

[jade stone]

@supple whale who needs three bugs when you could have 4

[fierce pendant]

curl is preventing you from finding this bug

[jade stone]

Whar

[solid gazelle]

[BUG] Stinky Satan

[dense sand]

Can you also fix nextjs

Like remove vercel

And all bloat

[supple whale]

simple

stop using dogwater software

sveltekit would never

[except for workers emitted via service workers, but it was an easy fix]

just a post-build hook to list worker urls myself kekw

0: content-type

[lyric latch]

Can you also fix programming

Like remove javascript

[fallen nebula]

Javascript has uses

[fleet cedar]

Huh, really?

[fallen nebula]

These are the valid use of JS

[fleet cedar]

Okay sure

Those three can stay

Everything else, out

[fallen nebula]

Js should be a minimal Web scripting language, it can save values, import some json into a table or make some something change based on simple state

That's what it was made for

That's what it's great at

[indigo yew]

that was what it was made it for

why are there 3 runtimes and 70 billion libraries and frameworks

[fleet cedar]

Everything changed when the ajax nation attacked

That's where webdev went wrong

[jade stone]

Ive tried to use next.js like three times. Each time I give up because of how terrible the build system is and how bad the docs are.

[fierce pendant]

okay socialist

[fallen nebula]

because stupid people tought i don't wanna learn anymore let's use this everywhere

there should be a single runtime for JS and it should be the browser

[supple whale]

@jade stone my app is now 10MB...

2MB of which is static assets like fonts and images