🪅-progaming

[ivory heath]

Well this is why you have to read docs

But they’re often really bad

[winged mantle]

it's almost like people who create libraries don't use their own libraries

[ivory heath]

Yep

[winged mantle]

honestly sensible libraries should never allocate anything by default

allocation should be the exception, not the rule, and made very clear

if create or new or alloc isn't in the name and a function calls malloc/calloc that seems like pretty bad api design

i suppose there are some bad apis out there so it's nice to be reassureed

[fleet cedar]

The c language does not. C programming does.

[supple whale]

jesus i cant imagine not using an ultrawide for coding

moved vscode to my 16:9 display and that happened

XD

[lavish cloud]

wtaf

[crude star]

you have a problem

[valid jetty]

consider making the tiles horizontally scrollable instead of stacked like that

if you do that it's fine

[supple whale]

you're fucking insane

you know how fucking hard its to find them when u do that?

[crude star]

ngmi

[valid jetty]

i have a macbook and use a trackpad

which means i can horizontally scroll with a gesture

so it is perfectly fine

[supple whale]

sure

but you still waste 5 minutes looking for said tabs

i never said it doesnt work

implementing scrolling is piss

but finding 1 tab out of 50 is impossible with scrolling

[valid jetty]

??? i just know where my code is

[supple whale]

just for u to need to scroll back cuz u need to switch back

[valid jetty]

and then open it from the sidebar

[supple whale]

LMAO

i wish i could use the sidebar

i'd zoom out, but even on max zoom-out the sidebar doesnt fit 10% of my project

look how tiny the scroll bar is

.

[spice token]

Wdym tiny

[supple whale]

vscode's scroll bar shows how much of the entire tree is visible

ex: here u can see 90%

[spark tiger]

not enough config files

[spice token]

Insane

[supple whale]

so here u can only see 1/10th of the content

since the scroll bar is ~130px out of ~1.3k

[supple whale]

whats insane

[spice token]

I am

[supple whale]

i dont have an editor config, i dont have prettier, i dont have llm configs

this is as minimal as it gets for what i need

i need 3 tsconfigs, because one is for web stuff, and one is for nodejs local config stuff, and i dont want my nodejs config polluting my web config, because otherwise i'd get node globals like process, and node imports like fs, inside the web part of the project

so you need the root compound config for TS server to work

and 2 separate configs one for web and one for node, so your tooling can use that specific config, for example sveltekit uses the .web. config

[spark tiger]

yeah but 14 config files is still fucking insane to me 😭

[supple whale]

yeah

but wtf am i to do

i need the tailwind config, i need the vite config, ci need the svelte config, tailwind requires postcss, i need eslint it even does what prettier does, components.json is needed for shadcn

and the introspection shit i could move to a diff folder i guess

but thats for the graphQL api's i'm running

[supple whale]

.

you could easily add 10 more configs here

[spark tiger]

yeah sure i’m not saying you should get rid of all them but i’m just always amazed by how many different tools configs and other shit a single web project can have

[supple whale]

trust me when i say this is still very minimal

for a full blown project that is

the amt of shit these configs do is insane, and they are so joined together its unfunny

even my eslint config imports the svelte config and the tsconfig

and the tsconfig imports the graphql schema, which is generated by the introspection

so i can have static type analysis on inline gql queries

so then my eslint config can throw errors when my gql queries are invalid, or when i access fields in the query responses that arent actually queried

....okay maybe not so minimal

[supple whale]

@spark tiger did i mention, this is like one of 6 repositories?

.

[winged mantle]

c++ swap kind of feels more intuitive than move?

but the lack of = default and = delete is killing me

[fleet cedar]

Move is indeed often implemented as swapping with a default

[valid jetty]

https://github.com/acquitelol/sparxmaths/issues/44 ??????????????

who the hell makes an issue with just fucking code

???????????????????????????????????????????

[deep mulch]

please fix

[jade stone]

how can i do something like this in rust

[pseudo sierra]

👍

[crude star]

what's the local being borrowed here

[jade stone]

source_text and allocator

[tired vigil]

Have ParsedProgram take ownership of them, or box them ig

[fleet cedar]

Why are you cloning them

[jade stone]

it does

[jade stone]

because i want to use ParsedProgram after the lifetime for &self is over

[tired vigil]

Hmm could it be that you're referencing &allocator in Parser::new, but rust can't tell if res.program contains a reference to that allocator? Idk tbh 😭

Program does have a lifetime so maybe it does

[tired vigil]

Maybe u need to explicitly specify the lifetime in the function return type and possibly some of the variable types

[jade stone]

even if i did, how would i add a lifetime for an owned type

the whole point of Rc is to not worry about lifetimes

[tired vigil]

I meant ParsedProgram<'a>, and maybe the local Program<'a>

[tired vigil]

Or store source_text in ur struct too, since ig it requires a reference

[supple whale]

@royal nymph wanna see something turbo, mega giga fucking cursed?

obtaining undici's agent constructor, without importing the 2MB library into your code, but instead using the nodeJS built-in

.

this is up there with some of the most tarded shit i've done for peformance

fucking works

XDDDDDDDDD

[stark timber]

how do u have those types there

what is that extension

[supple whale]

its vscode

lol

[stark timber]

I don't get that

[supple whale]

like because you never once opened the settings menu in vscode

[stark timber]

is it the inlay hints?

[supple whale]

https://tryitands.ee

[tired vigil]

the settings menu in vscode is god awful ux-wise, unless you know what a feature is called you'll have to scroll through 10000 options to find it

[supple whale]

yes

thats because vscode has 10000 options

do you want an AI agent in there to help you search?

like what do you expect?

XD

you cant magically un-setting the settings

it has groups and categories

search and filter

u cant rly ask for much more than that

[stark timber]

I have opened the settings menu before I just didn't know that existed as an option!

didn't mean to make u angry or anything

[supple whale]

its been there for a solid few years ngl

actually probs more than that

[stark timber]

and I just have never seen it

and that's okay

[tired vigil]

just letting me find the relevant options based on which panel/ui thing I have focused would be nice
like for example how vivaldi lets you modify a bar or a panel by right clicking on it and clicking on customize

[supple whale]

oh lord that would be insane to implement

esp considering settings includes shit like extensions

...doable but crazy amt of work

[tired vigil]

how come?
If an extension adds a custom panel/sidebar, it should also be easily associated with its own settings
if it does shit like modify inlay hints or autocomplete or whatever, that should also be easily detectable

[supple whale]

sure but how should custom panels then be treated

like u can add custom views, panels, buttons, pages, even custom UI

so this quickly spirals out of control

[tired vigil]

I think the main issue I have with it is the monotony and cognitive overload tbh
intellij has a much cleaner settings window where everything is clearly separated, and options can have clearly defined suboptions

[supple whale]

true

but its intellij

so you've got other problems

[tired vigil]

😭

[supple whale]

XD

[stark timber]

I agree

I never had an issue configuring stuff in intellij

probably smth about vscode that is a red flag is that u sometimes gotta edit the config file manually

that's not a sign of a good config ui lol

[tired vigil]

yeah 😭

[stark timber]

also idk how this is on intellij or other jetbrainsware but custom themes are SO ANNOYING on vscode

like let me just change a config file with the colors or smth

but I gotta make a whole ahh package

I never even tried to do it bc it seemed like such a hassle

[spark tiger]

meanwhile zed

[stark timber]

yea true lol

zed needs a config menu 😭

[spark tiger]

tho i think it isnt as bad because there arent like hundreds of settings yet i think

but tbh i never even touch settings

[stark timber]

yea and they're pretty well documented with plenty of examples

[tired vigil]

they should just let discord css developers restyle the whole window fr fr
vscode themes are usually pretty underwhelming cuz they only use predefined theme variables
I think icon themes do some hacky shit just to replace an image

[stark timber]

I hope zed fixes all this

I think zed will be the next industry standard

once it has official windows support

and when there's a settings ui

lol

[valid jetty]

hey you should disable ai in your zed

[spark tiger]

i had those type hints or whatre they called disabled back on windows

because they kept suggesting me some bs code

but now on macos there isnt such

[deep mulch]

hey you should enable ai in your zed

[valid jetty]

hi

{
  "disable_ai": true,
  "features": {
    "edit_prediction_provider": "none"
  },
  "collaboration_panel": {
    "button": false
  },
  // "relative_line_numbers": true,
  "chat_panel": {
    "button": "never"
  },
  "agent": {
    "enabled": false,
    "button": false
  },
  "show_edit_predictions": false,
  "edit_predictions": {
    "enabled_in_text_threads": false,
    "disabled_globs": ["**"]
  },
  "diagnostics": {
    "include_warnings": true,
    "inline": {
      "enabled": true,
      "update_debounce_ms": 150,
      "padding": 4
    }
  },
  "vim_mode": true,
  "theme": "Catppuccin Mocha Glass",
  "soft_wrap": "editor_width",
  "ui_font_size": 14,
  "buffer_font_size": 6.0,
  "buffer_font_weight": 300,
  "buffer_font_family": "Maple Mono",
  "buffer_font_features": {
    "zero": true,
    "cv02": true,
    "cv03": true,
    "cv04": true,
    "cv98": true
  },
  "ui_font_weight": 300,
  "ui_font_family": "Maple Mono",
  "terminal": {
    "font_family": "Maple Mono"
  },
  "format_on_save": "off"
}

[spark tiger]

so im kinda fine with leavinf it on

wtf is Maple Mono

[deep mulch]

the best font

[valid jetty]

the most peak font ever

https://github.com/subframe7536/Maple-font

[lucid trail]

I could see my prof used maple mono the moment i saw it cause of the @ sign. Also the slides look like this

maybe i should switch to it

[valid jetty]

best font

[spark tiger]

oh so that’s where that @ is from

[lucid trail]

the @ looks too much like a fingerprint to me

[spark tiger]

true

[supple whale]

holy shit

i feel like i just won a medal

this is the first time i crashed v8

that said im doing REAAAAALLY dumb shit

[jade stone]

i swear you need a crate to do anything in rust

even c++ has regex in it's stdlib

[fleet cedar]

Yep, a really bad regex engine with horrible compile times, poor performance, bad ergonomics due to being older than string_view, and none of this can be fixed backward compatibly

[royal nymph]

it can easily be fixed

deprecate the old one and make a new one

[stark timber]

true

it can just be the same api but different implementation

[royal nymph]

or that

[shrewd canopy]

make it opt-in

💯

[royal nymph]

#define NON_SHITTY_REGEX 1
#include <regex>

[nimble bone]

don’t use rust

[jade stone]

i love how rust has aliases in documentation

but for some reason they didn't add them to the web docs directly

so you can get this

[deep mulch]

you will love my project

building 2 non rust libraries and linking to them

will be adding 2 more

[solid gazelle]

@deep mulch

[deep mulch]

@solid gazelle

[winged mantle]

this would be very broken

#include <regex2>

[fleet cedar]

That's exactly why rust does not have regex in stdlib

There's no one regex implementation that suits all needs, and once something's in std it cannot be incompatibly changed

[ionic lake]

codemods and tests

[nimble bone]

@lyric latch Revenge will use Bun

[royal nymph]

weird statement

there's no one list implementation that suits all needs, that's exactly why there shouldn't be lists in the stdlib

[winged mantle]

just make a regex implementation that suits some needs

however, c++ never tries to just suit some needs, that's how we ended up with the language we have today

[royal nymph]

there are many languages with regex implementations that are perfectly sufficient for 99.9% of use cases

even in rust everyone just uses the same regex crate

[winged mantle]

yea it's doable

[royal nymph]

who uses anything but this https://github.com/rust-lang/regex

[winged mantle]

i don't think the problem with C++ regex is it doesn't do everything

I think the problem with it is it does everything, and not particularly well

[fleet cedar]

https://docs.rs/fancy-regex/
https://docs.rs/pcre2/

[royal nymph]

first one says it's built upon the regex crate and has the same api, so it could just be merged into one thing

[fleet cedar]

Yes you could absolutely do that

And it would be a worse experience for literally everyone involved

[tired vigil]

Why?

[fleet cedar]

More complicated for devs, less choice for users, more complex performance characteristics including risk for exponential time if you don't read the docs in detail

[tired vigil]

Just have a feature flag for the fancy features if you're worried about accidentally using them

[winged mantle]

feature flags? is this kotlin?

[fleet cedar]

And that would be better than separate crates, how?

[royal nymph]

no it wouldn't 😭

you know it's possible to have separate functions right

[tired vigil]

That you don't have to remember and specifically search for the crate that supports your exact use case
Imagine having to switch to a different library halfway through development cuz regex crate #1 doesn't have a regex crate #2 feature

[royal nymph]

it's not rocket science

[fleet cedar]

Burden of proof isn't with me anyway

Why would merging them, let alone into stdlib, make anything better?

[royal nymph]

JS, Go, Java/Kotlin, C#, python, etc all have inbuilt regex and they all work for the vast majority of users

[royal nymph]

because you should not have to install a library for the most basic features

[fleet cedar]

Good dependency management beats bloated stdlib in literally every way

[winged mantle]

i don't really see why pulling in an official rust maintained library is a big deal

however.. what's wrong with an stdlib like go's where it has lots of useful stuff

[fleet cedar]

Same things as the last fifty times anyone asked

Stagnation, mixed with officially blessing a specific choice that's not necessarily the best

[royal nymph]

opinionated languages are good

[winged mantle]

yeah...

standardisation makes it easier to understand other people's code

the actual problem is when stdlib ends up with niche things

[fleet cedar]

I half think std::io, std::fs, std::path, and std::net should be an external crate

[limpid mica]

having a shared vocabulary is important

i think vocabulary types should be in the standard lib

[fleet cedar]

True

[royal nymph]

you are insane

this just leads to third parties making their own stdlibs which now become a standard

like boost or apache commons

[winged mantle]

boost::optional

[limpid mica]

i used boost so much more pre c++11

[winged mantle]

i wrote something like this in my code today

new(arr) int[sizeof arr / sizeof *arr]();

[limpid mica]

ew

[winged mantle]

placement new just to fill an array with 0

[limpid mica]

std::fill when

banned

[winged mantle]

i'm not using std::fill

i don't want an std

am i insane

[limpid mica]

yes

[lavish cloud]

Yes

[jade stone]

Very

[frosty skiff]

https://github.com/APR1LH4CK/mouhid someone might find this useful

its prettyyy accurate some things are missing though

[shrewd canopy]

isnt that just ghidra output

[frosty skiff]

yes i just ctrl + c'd each function into ghidra

(no)

[shrewd canopy]

why constants are declared here and not inlined?

[frosty skiff]

stuff isnt complete yet + the decompilation is messy cuz it was originally just 1 big text file

its just reconstructed to be more readable since the decompiled output is messy

not to be compiled or anything lol

[shrewd canopy]

oh ok

[jade stone]

what even is mouhid.sys

[frosty skiff]

mouse driver

[winged mantle]

i think the main issue is it's a portability nightmare

i'm using c99 dependencies... and functions and headers which were only added in c99 which c++98 doesn't strictly have

[winged mantle]

conclusion: just use c++11, it doesn't stop you from doing anything

[spark tiger]

my is so smart https://bun.com/blog/behind-the-scenes-of-bun-install

[balmy lintel]

bunjs is so fast

cut times

dast fast

faster than nodjes

bun is so ass

[nimble bone]

buntards

[spark tiger]

my is so s for some reason

[supple whale]

i love this

"so uuuh we made it faster, by making it not install stuff"

.

[spark tiger]

huh

[supple whale]

it resolves modules differently

so that it can be "cached"

which means npm i and bun i will yield different results

[ionic lake]

that should be the default to be honest

if you care about refetching --force does it

[royal nymph]

On average, it runs ~7× faster than npm, ~4× faster than pnpm, and ~17× faster than yarn.
why is yarn so fucking slow

[spark tiger]

cuz it makes 4mil syscalls

[spark tiger]

https://x.com/alxfazio/status/1967132710071058440

alex fazio (@alxfazio)

cursor's new tab model is incredible

X · Sep 14, 2025, 7:46 AM

[ornate quiver]

didn't yarn used to be the fastest
then it fell behind while every single other one raced ahead in terms of speed

[supple whale]

pretty much

its more that yarn stopped changing

and everything else improved

but pretty much same thing

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIPXoBCDJv4 watch

[pearl dawn]

if you spend too much time installing packages that's because you're a nextjscel

[deep mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_7d-m1ehoY @valid jetty watch

[nimble bone]

@grok tldr

[winged mantle]

i nearly ended up using unordered_map in my cursed codebase

but it turned out to be easier just writing my own hashmap impl

copying a hash function from stackoverflow without credit, naturally

[royal nymph]

bro brave removed the web filesystem api for no reason and locked the issue thread discussing it since 2021

it works in all chromiums except brave

oh

[supple whale]

yep you need the flag to enable it

but the FSA brave has isnt spec compliant

and has a lot of security issues

since you can open system directories and restricted and root folders

[royal nymph]

lmao why

[supple whale]

riiiight?

[royal nymph]

thats so retarded

[supple whale]

its the only problem i have with brave

the FSA

i mean its still only one flag

but still

[royal nymph]

yeah it's annoying

[royal nymph]

i mean as long as you don't allow it you're fine, no?

[supple whale]

yep!

but its something to be aware of

you can open the root of a C directory

and browse ur entire OS

and make a file explorer like that

[royal nymph]

is that just if the user manually picks root

i thought websites couldnt select which path

[supple whale]

i did that actually

:DDD

[supple whale]

yep

[royal nymph]

ah so it's just not protecting users from their own stupdity

eh that's fine to me

[supple whale]

yeaah they can only pick preset directories like "downloads, documents" etc

[royal nymph]

yeep i remember now

[supple whale]

but normally u cant select those directories either

but brave lets u

usually only subdirectories in those dirs

[royal nymph]

i just needed it for this so I don't have to manually select the file each time

is there any way to not need the Go button

it needs user interaction to read the file

[supple whale]

if its read only then u can just query the permissions on page interaction

[royal nymph]

I wish it could read it as soon as I opened the site without interaction (I did the "allow access every time")

[supple whale]

if its write u need the prompt

[royal nymph]

yeah this

i did allow each time so I just have to press the Go button and no prompt

but I wish I didn't even need the go button

[supple whale]

nope u need user interaction for FSA

come on

ur smarter than this

[royal nymph]

i don't really get the security benefit of requiring a user interaction

if the user didnt press allow each time it will prompt for permission anyway

and if they pressed allow each time they know it will have access

[supple whale]

IWAs dont have those restrictions

i thiiiink PWAs still do

[royal nymph]

for something like clipboard yeah absolutely so if you somehow get redirected to a shady site it can't immediately access your clipboard

but for the filesystem api the permission prompt makes the user interaction requirement redundant in my eyes

since the permission prompt is also user interaction

[supple whale]

you can store handles in IDB

and read shouldnt need the prompt

just on any click

[royal nymph]

nah it does

[royal nymph]

yeah that's what I do :P

[lucid trail]

good work

[limpid mica]

smh

it is common knowledge that 1 Smoot per microfortnight ≈ 1 meter per second

no need for weirdness

[deep mulch]

smoot

[ornate quiver]

why does this even exist

who thought allowing fs access to websites was a good idea

its like webusb

[deep mulch]

me

lets me gain access to your files

[ornate quiver]

NO

[nimble bone]

webusb is so good

[ornate quiver]

nuh uh

i have yet to see a good use for it aside from flashing android roms
and even that is still jank because you sometimes need device drivers anyways

and that doesnt justify it's existence

ff was right to not add it

[worldly sigil]

peripheral makers' configuration software use webusb so you don't need to install dedicated software
see:

• wooting - https://wootility.io/
• keychron - https://launcher.keychron.com/
• via firmware - https://usevia.app

though i don't know many other use cases of webusb either

[ornate quiver]

i have a keyboard that still requires drivers to even use the webusb config utility

and it fucking sucks

i dont want a web configuration tool

no internet? good luck changing your keyboard settings

its so dumb

[royal nymph]

it's really useful

why is it not a good idea

and webusb is also cool

[ornate quiver]

built in credential stealer for dumb people

[royal nymph]

you have fundamentally misunderstood how it works

the user has to select a file or folder the website gets access to

[ornate quiver]

oh

[royal nymph]

it's like when android apps ask you for a folder

you choose the folder and it won't let you choose too high up folders

it has many use cases

for example code editors (like vscode) in your browser

or something like a video player

you give it access to your video folder and now it can display them in the browser

it's really neat

you could also give a website write access to some folder and now it can automatically save created files there, much more convenient than always showing a save dialog

[ornate quiver]

huh

i guess thats kinda neat

i feel like thats still potentially ripe for abuse

less so though if it prevents selecting folders too high up

[royal nymph]

I don't really think there's too much abuse potential

you could just make the user download and run malware instead or smth

[ornate quiver]

ig yeah

[deep mulch]

@ornate quiver would you download malware if i sent it

[ornate quiver]

nop

[deep mulch]

guhhh

@ornate quiver do you know if theres anything to make rust android errors more verbose

like segfaults and stuff

like line numbers if possible

[ornate quiver]

https://crates.io/crates/catch_panic

[deep mulch]

LOVE

i love my rusher

[ornate quiver]

its basically a proc macro for catch_unwind

[deep mulch]

whats catch_unwind

[ornate quiver]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/panic/fn.catch_unwind.html

[deep mulch]

explain what + means here

oh

i think catch_panic is broken

error[E0596]: cannot borrow `env` as mutable, as it is not declared as mutable
  --> /home/nick/.local/share/cargo/registry/src/index.crates.io-1949cf8c6b5b557f/catch_panic-1.0.0/src/handler.rs:37:5
   |
37 |     env.throw_new("java/lang/RuntimeException", msg).unwrap();
   |     ^^^ cannot borrow as mutable
   |
help: consider changing this to be mutable
   |
29 | pub fn default_handler(mut env: JNIEnv, err: Box<dyn Any + Send + 'static>) {
   |                        +++

[ornate quiver]

read the error

it literally gives you a fix

[deep mulch]

a what

thats the crates code

not mine

[ornate quiver]

show your usage

[deep mulch]

nothing

i just added the crate as a dep

[ornate quiver]

returning a type that matches the R generic + UnwindSafe trait

oh wait i forgot that the actual crate is outdated

one sec you have to use my fork

[deep mulch]

malware

[royal nymph]

rushiinsane

[deep mulch]

rushiinsane

[ornate quiver]

i have a fork of a fork

cause the original crate is dead

catch_panic = { git = "https://github.com/rushiiMachine/catch_panic.git", rev = "1a228e5" } # https://github.com/sorz/catch_panic/pull/1

there

[jade stone]

rushiinsane

[ornate quiver]

wait

[royal nymph]

one day rushii will realise that C++ > rust and just use C++ again

@deep mulch

[deep mulch]

yop

[royal nymph]

soon rushii will try to rewrite aliuhook in rust

[ornate quiver]

i will rewrite lsplant in rust

[jade stone]

Hooking in rust is hell

[ornate quiver]

sounds like macroing time

[royal nymph]

well it doesn't do the hooking logic anyway lmao

[deep mulch]

@ornate quiver wyd

[jade stone]

Just use c++ for that like a normal person

[royal nymph]

but it does use a lot of void*

[deep mulch]

@ornate quiver

[royal nymph]

write symtab searcher in rust @ornate quiver

[deep mulch]

blob DAMN cozy

[royal nymph]

rust should add a feature where it enables unsafe everywhere even without unsafe block

[deep mulch]

YOP

i hate safety

just killed a ninolet

[jade stone]

just killed a ninolet

[deep mulch]

@ornate quiver rushii's and cream

rushii wil lbe made into ice cream

[ornate quiver]

YOP

the poor mans version of this is making every function unsafe

[deep mulch]

what if wing became a rust developer @ornate quiver

wing typing

[frosty obsidian]

first patch dev not from china

[frosty obsidian]

i want to learn rust i just don't really have something to do

[deep mulch]

work on my project with me

[frosty obsidian]

i don't have any knowledge in that field

[deep mulch]

i dont really know the processing stuff

[jade stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1082692805148815492/1400205765909680179/3647381.gif

[frosty obsidian]

im not radio nerd

[deep mulch]

im ing it

@jade stone

[jade stone]

Hi

[deep mulch]

hi satan

[nimble bone]

rust is useless dont learn

[frosty obsidian]

yeah im not taking advice from you

[nimble bone]

memory safety is a gimmick

just write good code

[hoary sluice]

hes right

rust is only useful for personal projects

nobody in the industry uses rust other than crypto blockchain

[ornate quiver]

not yet

[frosty obsidian]

who care

[hoary sluice]

i spent the last 2 years of my life using rust and now i cant get a proper job

cause my resume is only rust

[frosty obsidian]

im already familiar with java/kotlin and android

job wise thats good

[hoary sluice]

do u have projects for a resume

[frosty obsidian]

kinda

[hoary sluice]

i would keep working on mobile

its fun from what i can tell

[frosty obsidian]

i can have fun doing two things

[hoary sluice]

im not saying dont do rust

im saying rust wont help on a resume

i love rust i want it to be used everywhere

[frosty obsidian]

i don't care about putting it on a resume

[hoary sluice]

then go use rust

[frosty obsidian]

i program for fun

[hoary sluice]

shepherd day job programming hobby?

[frosty obsidian]

ew i hate outside

[hoary sluice]

the dream

[frosty obsidian]

animals are gross

i include humans in that

[solid gazelle]

https://rustdesk.com

i use that

teamviewer but you can selfhost and it's got a web client

so you can truly remote from anywhere with internet access

[stark timber]

rust users try not to reference rust in their project name or description challenge

(difficulty: FREAKING IMPOSSIBLE)

[valid jetty]

https://github.com/tsoding/Crust

[deep mulch]

@frosty obsidian will work for mcdonalds soon

[crude star]

they have to use edition 2021 because this makes unsafe rust even more insufferable https://doc.rust-lang.org/edition-guide/rust-2024/unsafe-op-in-unsafe-fn.html

[fleet cedar]

Almost as if you're supposed to have as little unsafe as possible

[crude star]

oh they gave up on making this a compiler error

i think

[valid jetty]

yeah i know it's so funny

[valid jetty]

it is not

i'm pretty sure you're using it wrong

[stark timber]

hi smart webpack people how do I avoid having to do this
https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/lib/webpack/loader.ts#L10

[stark timber]

(all it does is assign .c to wreq)

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty did you watch the videos

[royal nymph]

Rust's proc macros suck btw jfyi

[shrewd canopy]

Why

[jade stone]

ehhhhh

they kinda suck but at the same time no other lang has something better

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty

i will get hired ebcause of a mod i wrote when i was 12

[jade stone]

SKYBLOCK

evil

[jade stone]

i'm resorting to comptime codegen because of how bad proc macros can be tbh

[royal nymph]

I just copy pasted it from the crust repo

[ornate quiver]

use reflog to find the commits you dropped

[valid jetty]

i think rosiecord is somewhere in the 15000s

lol

peak?

[valid jetty]

jai

[jade stone]

whar

[valid jetty]

jai has better metaprogramming capabilities than rust

[jade stone]

What even is jai

[valid jetty]

??? a programming language developed by jonathan blow?

[jade stone]

never heard of the language or the person

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty i vibe code a portfolio website

https://eagely.dev

"I develop independent projects across domains in Kotlin and Rust, aiming for simplicity and performance."

I love vibe coding

it looks fine on mobile too

[shrewd canopy]

Good idea

[deep mulch]

make elle ai @valid jetty

[lavish cloud]

idk what that design style is but I hate it

also what the fuck is it doing to my cursor

[deep mulch]

skeuomorphism

[lavish cloud]

no skeumorphism is making things look physical

I think this is called Linear UI?

cuz it comes from https://linear.app

and/or Untitled UI

[deep mulch]

oh

[frosty obsidian]

zeet using design buzzwords

[pseudo sierra]

zeet is a design buzzword

[supple whale]

the only good thing that looks good o nthat website is the initial loading for the hero image

[jade stone]

@deep mulch does compose web have hot reload

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice the fucking #opentowork on your linkedin 😭

[deep mulch]

i dont think so

not really

[jade stone]

evil

[deep mulch]

closest thing is it just reloads entire site on changes

[nimble bone]

Get to know Nick Owens

[haughty socket]

@royal nymph @jade stone @lyric latch this does work btw

never does extend never

thank god

[deep mulch]

vap insane

[haughty socket]

wait im LYING

[jade stone]

nop

[haughty socket]

im lying about it "working", never extends everything

[haughty socket]

i said never extends T u put it backwards

[haughty socket]

yop

its cus never extends everything

cus its the empty set type

and the empty set is a subset of all sets

[lavish cloud]

meanwhile, the cursed thing I'm implementing as portfolio page:

[gilded surge]

this reminds me of that one blog that's styled like an os

[jade stone]

you were lied to

[deep mulch]

@jade stone

[lavish cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-with-sunglasses-driving-car-gif-15362018975526912371

[jade stone]

true

[ivory heath]

it makes me wanna KMS how complicated it is to just open a simple subprocess in c++

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/tsoding/status/1967579374535999544

Тsфdiиg (@tsoding)

lol

X · Sep 15, 2025, 1:20 PM

[lavish cloud]

@deep mulch how do I wasm externals

[deep mulch]

idk

ive never used

[low pendant]

the whole #🎨-css-snippets is filled with "frosted glass theme" bs and its lowkey pissin me off

no hate tho

[ornate quiver]

liquid ass theme soon

[spice token]

How do i write hello world

[limpid mica]

hey grok print hello world

[ionic lake]

@grog print hello world

k doesnt work here

[hoary sluice]

what about it

its a linkedin feature

[spice token]

@signal oak hello world

Oh its dead

[spice token]

Open to work huh

Cook me some fent for 5 dollars

[tired vigil]

@jade stone random thought, would it be possible for dev companion to show store names on hover/inline?
I always navigate to every single store then copy the name and go back to rename the mangled import 😭

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice remember this

[valid jetty]

and this lol https://unofficial-d25-2026.netlify.app/

[hoary sluice]

me when rosie designs a puzzle that is impossible to solve

@valid jetty do i aoc in rust this year

[valid jetty]

my friend tried and it was kinda awful

prepare for as usize

[valid jetty]

ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE

i just didnt make a solvable input

because idk how to construct inputs

[valid jetty]

are you sure you wanna do this

[sullen tapir]

what language

I have never seen that syntax

[valid jetty]

rust?

thats just plain and normal rust

[hoary sluice]

looks ok

@valid jetty @valid jetty @valid jetty i HAVE to use rust

i will be doing aoc on a 9950x3d potentially

[valid jetty]

what 😭

[hoary sluice]

i wont be home in december but i might remote desktop into it

[valid jetty]

are you planning to get those nanosecond runtimes

like last year

[hoary sluice]

no just bruteforce hard days

[valid jetty]

lmao

i dont think im attending this year

unfortunately

[hoary sluice]

you are

[valid jetty]

nop

[jade stone]

Yeah

Very possible

@tired vigil you could probably add it yourself, check out https://github.com/sadan4/VencordCompanion/blob/main/packages/webpack-ast-parser/src/WebpackAstParser.ts#L1229 for how it handles resolving store methods

[pearl stag]

WebpackAstParser.ts: Line 1229

tryParseStoreForExport(

[deep mulch]

@jade stone HUGE nutty

@tired vigil MASSIVE nutty

[jade stone]

insane

[tired vigil]

hiii

[tired vigil]

btw are the parsed stores actually used for anything rn

[jade stone]

Yes

It's used for the jump to definition LSP handler

Stores are just singletons so when you jump to the definition, you're just jumping to an instance of them. So this resolves it to the actual store method

[tired vigil]

ohh I never realized that

that makes sense

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards

[hoary sluice]

i would be happy if i even got an interview

i will gladly do a whiteboard interview

[deep mulch]

guh nothing even remotely close to me

[winged mantle]

i feel like i would do really bad at whiteboard interview

[supple whale]

i'm just that fucking good

that i brick chromium

[doesnt show up during OBS recording, wack]

[fleet cedar]

Probably best to vibe check them in #1256395889354997771 first

[ornate quiver]

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/digging-deeper-youtubes-view-count-discrepancy
https://github.com/easylist/easylist/issues/22375

the drop off in YouTube views caused by a one line change in a block list

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/927592413663461447.gif?quality=lossless&name=trolleyzoom&size=64

[gilded surge]

yeah that tracks

[royal nymph]

the maintainer reply 😭

[crude star]

average easylist response

[royal nymph]

they already knew about this in the past and temporarily disabled it

but now reenabled it

lol

sane

[gilded surge]

yea

hopefully the absolutely insane maintainer reopens the issue and it's at least partially reconsidered

but whatever, no shot that's happening

[ornate quiver]

i wonder whether ubo will override the rule themselves

[gilded surge]

if easylist doesn't then maybe

[jade stone]

something like this?

[gilded surge]

why would you ever do this

actually, no

this is a good style

[ionic lake]

I'm telling you it's not

Easylist is more of the shittest lists than an actual list

They will block entire domains for no reason

[tired vigil]

Yeah :3

[jade stone]

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty I GET TO WRITE RUST

[jade stone]

least insane typescript type

[valid jetty]

wharrr

[crude star]

_ isn't real how

[winged mantle]

why use maybe_unused when you can just have a function which does absolutely nothing with everything passed

another c++ crime i commited

[jade stone]

[jade stone]

why do {} while(false)

[winged mantle]

means macro works even if you have no braces

[jade stone]

wdym by no braces

[winged mantle]

if (thing)
panic("argh");

[jade stone]

couldn't you just use braces instead of do while

[winged mantle]

then this breaks because the semicolon ends up being after the braces

if (thing)
    panic("argh");
else
    other_thing();

[jade stone]

guh

i just ended using an always inline function when i did something like that

and pass the source info as params

[winged mantle]

i remember there were some macros which only worked if i inlined them into the source

that's how i found out about this trick

i have no idea why the macros didn't work though

but they included inline assembly

[jade stone]

guhh this makes no sense

how is node 22 and >= 24 ok

but not 23

[winged mantle]

regression?

i think i would want to use c++ with my own stdlib

[ivory heath]

https://youtu.be/N6ElaygqY74
I love this video

[winged mantle]

good

List<String> my_list;
my_list.add("hello"_str);
my_list.add("world"_str);

for (String &str : my_list) 
    out.println("%s", str);

[jade stone]

why force the _str suffix

[winged mantle]

implicit conversion bad

[jade stone]

in general, yes

but i'd argue it's worth it for const char* -> string

[winged mantle]

sys::out.println

🤔

[ivory heath]

Printf is apart of the c++stdlib now

[tired vigil]

wha since when does typescript have _ as a valid type argument

[jade stone]

print and println, not printf iirc

[winged mantle]

tbh i love how c format strings work

apparently the new std::print is also slow in terms of compile time

[ivory heath]

Right.

[shrewd canopy]

aw

[ivory heath]

All macros are

[shrewd canopy]

my cpu doesn't even support AVX512

[winged mantle]

isn't it template based

[ivory heath]

Overgrown macro.

[winged mantle]

i'm not a template magician but i know you can have variadic args

[jade stone]

is it still slow with std::cout << std::format(...)

[winged mantle]

i just use stdio.h

maybe i should use qt for every project so i can do qDebug() <<

[jade stone]

i wish rust had overloading

[ivory heath]

What cpu are you on or is this a “I uSe ArM” moment?

[ivory heath]

Rust recursive macros

[jade stone]

that's not overloading

[ivory heath]

You can implement overloading with them

That’s how the print macro works

[shrewd canopy]

i7-3930K, and its Sandy Bridge CPU

[winged mantle]

i don't particularly like overloading

[ivory heath]

Blud

Over a decade old

Get ANYTHING new

[winged mantle]

i think my favourite use of overloading is swap though

[shrewd canopy]

lazy and no point currently when everything works fine as is

[ivory heath]

You spend more on power consumption than a new pc would cost

[shrewd canopy]

new Intel CPUs consume more energy (and no, I aint getting amd)

[winged mantle]

come to think of it, a decade ago was only 2015

[ivory heath]

1. that’s just wrong
2. why not amd?

[shrewd canopy]

because i often do virtualization and want stability (historically Intel was more stable than amd, and Hyper-V/whpx is primarily made for intel)

[ivory heath]

Virtualization issues are mostly figured out on amd

[winged mantle]

just tri-boot macos, windows and linux

[shrewd canopy]

nope

[jade stone]

eslint my beloved

pnpm i -D @typescript-eslint/{parser,eslint-plugin} @stylistic/eslint-plugin{,-ts} eslint eslint-plugin-{unused-imports,simple-import-sort} jiti

[valid jetty]

@deep mulch you should try this problem

[deep mulch]

whats that

[valid jetty]

basically you have an array of points, the length is arbitrary, which form a line

and given multiple of these lines

color all intersecting ones differently

but you also have to use the least number of colors required to achieve this

[deep mulch]

it doesnt seem too difficult? idk

[valid jetty]

try it

[deep mulch]

would need more info on how many points and colors

[valid jetty]

number of points per line is arbitrary, can be anywhere between 2 and u64::MAX

can be different per line

[deep mulch]

so the points and lines would just be randomly generated?

[valid jetty]

i just made a bunch to test with

i can give you my array if you like

[deep mulch]

meow

[valid jetty]

lines from here

lines := [
    [$(0,  0), $(2, 2), $(4, 4)],
    [$(-1, -1), $(-1, 2), $(-1, 4)],
    [$(-2, 0), $(-1, 4)],
    [$(1, 0), $(1, 3)],
    [$(3, 1), $(3, 3)],
    [$(0, 3), $(3, 0)],
    [$(4, 0), $(4, 4)],
    [$(-3, 0), $(-3, 5)],
    [$(2, 2), $(4, 0)],
    [$(0, 0), $(0, 1), $(0, 2)],
    [$(0, 0), $(5, 5)],
    [$(0, 5), $(5, 0)],
    [$(1, 1), $(3, 3)],
    [$(2, 2), $(6, 6)],
    [$(4, 4), $(8, 8)],
    [$(1, 4), $(2, 2), $(4, 1)],
    [$(3, 5), $(3, 3), $(5, 2)],
    [$(5, 5), $(7, 4), $(6, 2)],
    [$(0, -3), $(3, -3)],
    [$(6, 6), $(8, 8), $(10, 6)],
    [$(10, 6), $(8, 4), $(6, 6)],
];

[deep mulch]

maybe ill try in rust

ropsinga

[valid jetty]

rust..

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty make elle tuples use { } instead of $()

[valid jetty]

{} is a block

i was actually thinking about how i can drop the $ tho

[deep mulch]

you will use context clues to check how

yes

make elle use an ai to compile

[valid jetty]

it would need an extra special case for parsing the wrapped exprs

[deep mulch]

elle ai will read the code and convert to rust

[valid jetty]

like (x)

if it finds a comma at the top level then treat it as a tuple

[deep mulch]

guh?

[valid jetty]

like python and rust

[deep mulch]

couldnt you just only allow a block based on the previous chars

[valid jetty]

(x) is a wrapped x and then (x,) is a single element tuple of x inside

[deep mulch]

like if theres a function signature before {} then its definetely a block

[valid jetty]

well no because you can have blocks on their own

[deep mulch]

why

[valid jetty]

you can do deferring

good for resource management

[deep mulch]

oh

defer keyword when

[valid jetty]

fn main() {
    {
        x := get_x();
        defer x.free();
        ...
    }

    {
       y := get_x();
       .. you get the point
    }
}

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty i have to make some project for my operating systems class

[valid jetty]

has been for like over a year bestie

idk how you dont know this

[deep mulch]

the first example could just be solved by a function

defer my reads

[valid jetty]

well yes but that adds extra bloat

the point is that you can do that

it works sorta like a "i wanna automatically free this thing later, but not when the function returns, just like a bit later"

[deep mulch]

scary

my language wouldnt allow standalone blocks

[valid jetty]

well i mean elle has a gc so you dont need to use this for memory allocation, rather for things like file handles, sockets, db connections, etc

[valid jetty]

evil

standalone blocks basically let you do this too

zoooooot when are you doing the line problem

my solution || was to find the intersection between each polyline by checking whether the segments intersect, then do graph coloring to give each unique intersection a different color ||

code in elle

took me like 1h 30m

pepehba

if this was aoc i would fail

[deep mulch]

wrong

I would

[deep mulch]

delete

[hoary sluice]

that looks really interesting

[valid jetty]

you should try it

[hoary sluice]

i think you need to find the line with the most intersections and just use that many colors

would that work

[valid jetty]

i did graph coloring but that would also work yes

[hoary sluice]

so isnt that really easy

i mean i have utils for intersecting lines i think

[valid jetty]

i think the hardest part is finding whether the polyline intersects

yeah but its not just a normal line of 2 points

it can be any number of points

[hoary sluice]

what

[valid jetty]

like

[hoary sluice]

oh

ok

[valid jetty]

[$(0, 0), $(2, 2), $(4, 4)]

[hoary sluice]

well isnt that just multiple lines

of the same color

idk how i would represent that

[valid jetty]

uhhh yes but if one of the segments intersects another line you gotta make them all a different color

this is how i did the intersection

fn orientation((i32, i32) a, (i32, i32) b, (i32, i32) c) {
    return math::sign((b.x - a.x) * (c.y - a.y) - (b.y - a.y) * (c.x - a.x));
}

fn on_segment((i32, i32) a, (i32, i32) b, (i32, i32) c) {
    return (c.x >= math::min(a.x, b.x) && c.x <= math::max(a.x, b.x)) &&
        (c.y >= math::min(a.y, b.y) && c.y <= math::max(a.y, b.y));
}

fn segments_intersect((i32, i32) p1, (i32, i32) p2, (i32, i32) q1, (i32, i32) q2) {
    d1 := orientation(p1, p2, q1);
    d2 := orientation(p1, p2, q2);
    d3 := orientation(q1, q2, p1);
    d4 := orientation(q1, q2, p2);

    return d1 != d2 && d3 != d4
        || (d1 == 0 && on_segment(p1, p2, q1))
        || (d2 == 0 && on_segment(p1, p2, q2))
        || (d3 == 0 && on_segment(q1, q2, p1))
        || (d4 == 0 && on_segment(q1, q2, p2));
}

fn Array::is_intersecting((i32, i32)[] self, (i32, i32)[] other) {
    for p1, p2 in self.windows(2) {
        for p3, p4 in other.windows(2) {
            if segments_intersect(p1, p2, p3, p4) {
                return true;
            }
        }
    }

    return false;
}

[hoary sluice]

double for loop check if any line in a cross any line in b

[valid jetty]

but you also have to take into account colinearity

[hoary sluice]

what is that

rosie i forgot everything

last time i did competitive programming or any non school math was 2024 pretty sure

[valid jetty]

yeah me too

[hoary sluice]

does that change anything tho

[valid jetty]

yes

[hoary sluice]

isnt that part of the intersection check of normal segments

[valid jetty]

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/dsa/check-if-two-given-line-segments-intersect/

[hoary sluice]

for a in lines
for b in lines
if b.any(bb -> a.any(aa -> aa.intersects(bb))
count++

no?

you also have to deduplicate but that shouldnt be hard

[valid jetty]

you also have to use the least number of colors

you can generate that number of max intersections and get the number of colors

but now you have to assign each color to each intersection

idk just try it lol

[valid jetty]

result should look like this

each new intersecting line gets a new color

[hoary sluice]

yea but thats the easy part

hard part is finding the number

[valid jetty]

yeah

well

i used greedy graph coloring for that, its like the go-to for this kind of problem

[hoary sluice]

it sounds like a d20 problem

p1

i would still take an hour tho

[valid jetty]

fn Array::assign_groups((i32, i32)[][] self) {
    adj := Array::with_capacity<bool[]>(self.len())
        .filled()
        .iter()
        .map_with(fn(v, self) Array::with_capacity<bool>(self.len()).filled(), self)
        .collect();

    for i in 0..self.len() {
        for j in i + 1..self.len() {
            if self[i].is_intersecting(self[j]) {
                adj[i][j] = true;
                adj[j][i] = true;
            }
        }
    }

    colors := Array::with_capacity<u64>(self.len()).fill(u64::MAX);

    for u in 0..self.len() {
        used := Array::with_capacity<bool>(self.len()).fill(false);

        for v in 0..self.len() {
            if adj[u][v] && colors[v] != u64::MAX {
                used[colors[v]] = true;
            }
        }

        c := 0;

        while c < self.len() && used[c] {
            c += 1;
        }

        colors[u] = c;
    }

    return colors;
}

[valid jetty]

i took like 1h 30m but i wasnt really speedrunning i was just blehhhh

[hoary sluice]

im too lazyyyy

id have to set up my aoc env

i switched to nixos after the last time i did aoc

[valid jetty]

just open a python repl and start writing stuff lmao

or idk if you wanna do it in kt

[hoary sluice]

i dont know python bestie

i forgot it all

[valid jetty]

what.....

[hoary sluice]

i forgot progaming

[valid jetty]

literally so me

[hoary sluice]

i didnt remember how to import something in rust today

i only know java...

[valid jetty]

were doing dijkstra in school and i genuinely forgot how to do everything

its so over for me

[hoary sluice]

ive only done java since july

[valid jetty]

husk

j*va

ive been focusing less on programming since like may, but even before that, ever since aoc i havent been doing any competitiv prgigm

[hoary sluice]

i tried doing codeforces

with c++

but like

[valid jetty]

c++ 😭

[hoary sluice]

aeaeaeae

cpp has best stdlib for it

but like

no

[valid jetty]

somehow i managed to remember what a min binary heap is

which is what a priority queue is implemented with

thats kinda shocking that i still rember

[hoary sluice]

never heard that in my life

i will try to get the remaining 36 stars before december

@valid jetty you HAVE to do https://codingcontest.org this year

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its essentially a more efficient way to store costs, useful for dijkstra

instead of linear search for the min cost, you use a balanced tree structure

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we need to do a coop

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and traverse it to get the min cost

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not make a team but help eachother

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im so physics rn..

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so just a binary tree?

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and i have so much other stuff going on

personal statement

uni applications

mock exams

driving lessons

blehh

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bestie it is 4 hours

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i thought you were 14

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but i need to prepare lmao

im 17..

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you can take 4 hours off

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its a heap

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since when

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but yes basically

since june

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why didnt i know

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lmao

on the week of my birthday i was completely off social media

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thats what i wanted to say but that sounded wrong

youre doing the 4 hours

its sooo fun

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i will vibecode it

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i vibe coded last year

was #1 in the world to solve level 4 and then didn't solve level 5

finished #101

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im surprised you didnt vibecode aoc atp

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by like double

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i vibe coded all my aoc

im actually not a human

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oh

love

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im actually claude 3.7 sonnet

i am the vibe

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have you ever heard of a red black tree

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nah i use ai for it but not to the point of vibe coding

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yes

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like explaining stuff

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lmao yeah thats fair enough

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im actually RangerMcSexy

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i may be going to the university of edinburgh..

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is that good

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i think so

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im going to a remote uni in germany

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it doesnt really matter for me

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2 year bachelor probably

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insane..

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cause its cs

and like

i think i know cs

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i may be able to land a masters 5FT 1 year abroad

at some uni

if i get really lucky with predicted grades

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5 feet 1 yard??

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5 full time of which 1 is abroad..

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skipping bachelor?

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yeah

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bad idea imo

id want the ability to drop out early with a bachelor

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like at leeds

4 years full time or 5 years full time (abroad) to get a masters in engineering for cs

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idk what that means

i just applied to every uni i wanted and got accepted to all

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horror

i have to write a personal statement and all of that..

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4 years for a masters?

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yes its skipping bachelors

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i had to do an interview for one (no technical questions) and a placement test (using chatgpt) for the other