🪅-progaming

[winged mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdMh0TN6SlA @nimble bone

java is everywhere

[supple whale]

agreed

it's way better than not having it

but it's still running a horrific version of opengl

[spark tiger]

guh i wanna try and learn typst so much but i have no idea what i can use it for

[valid jetty]

i used it to write my school assignments

do that

[spark tiger]

what kind of assignments

cuz here we only get homework and it's basically do N tasks from the book and write it down to copybooks

[valid jetty]

have you seen my programming language with japanese syntax

[spark tiger]

i mean i have seen it but not like i could understand anything :isob:

[valid jetty]

関数　プリント整数（整数　x）『
    プリント（「%d\n」、x）。
』

関数　メイン（）『
    整数　x ＝　1＋2＊3ー4。
    プリント整数（x＊3ー4・3％7）。
』

thats one of my school assignments

im writing a dissertation on the implementation of it

in typst

[valid jetty]

put it into google translate

it makes a surprisingly readable piece of code

[valid jetty]

lc.tr

[visual shell]

-# <:i:1323844562875187291> Translated from 🇯🇵 Japanese to 🇺🇸 English • Google Translate

Function Print Integer(Integer x) `
Print("%d\n", x).

Function Main() `
Integer x = 1 + 2 * 3 - 4.
Print Integer(x * 3 - 4 3% 7).

[spark tiger]

well i kinda do have an assignment i can use typst for but uhh

so basically one of the bonus homework we got was to make a text/slideshow/whatever about the difference between euler diagrams and venn diagrams

but uh

apparently its like

its just this https://cdn.infodiagram.com/c/72aed4/difference-between-venn-euler-diagrams-explained.png

which is kinda too small to use typst for

like idk what i can say about it more

[valid jetty]

idk

i can show you what a typst document looks like if you want

so you can get a feel for what you can do

[spark tiger]

sure

whyre they using .ts for this

[valid jetty]

theyre not

[spark tiger]

oh

[valid jetty]

i put .ts for the syntax highlighting

[spark tiger]

oh ic

[valid jetty]

i think if i made .typ it wouldnt even embed a preview

for the record you wont be able to compile this into a pdf because you dont have the corresponding references and text files

but yeah

[spark tiger]

dude i hate discord why does syntax highlighting just stop working when i open the code in fullscreen

[valid jetty]

yeah </3333

[spark tiger]

i just find typst kinda cool for quickly writing some math

seems much easier than latex

but yeah i really need to find a good task i can do with it

[valid jetty]

its very good for easy professional looking documents

[spark tiger]

can u easily print typst docs

[valid jetty]

well yeah

it compiles to a pdf

ofc

[spark tiger]

oh okay i might try to use it for my annual school project

i have no idea what theme ill choose though

idek if it will be math/cs related

[deep mulch]

god im going feral

[valid jetty]

there are plugins for all kinds of shit

like organic chemistry and fundamental particles

and a bunch of other stuff

[spark tiger]

our like head teaches told me i should try making an english class school project but like i have no idea what kind of project i can make 😭

it sounds so boring like what can i say about english

[wild coral]

im still figuring this stuff out
does this look good to use for my aiohttp bs

AUTHORIZATION = {
    "website": {
        "BaseURL": "placeholder",
        "Headers" : {
            "Authorization": "Basic " + base64.b64encode(f"{os.getenv('placeholder')}:{os.getenv('placeholder')}".encode()).decode(),
            "User-Agent": "placeholder"
        }
    },
    "website2": {
        "BaseURL": "placeholder",
        "Auth": {
            "user_id": os.getenv('placeholder'),
            "api_key": os.getenv('placeholder')
        }
    }
}

API_HANDLING = {
    "website": {
        "method": "GET",
        "endpoint": "/posts.json",
        "params_type": "query",
        "response_format": "json"
    },
    "website2": {
        "method": "GET",
        "endpoint": "/index.php",
        "params_type": "query",
        "response_format": "xml"
    }
}

[winged mantle]

horror

in my lexer 5..myVar and 5 .. myVar is outputs different tokens

Type                          Lexeme                        Data
float                         5.                            5.000000
dot                           .                             
symbol                        myVar                         
int                           5                             5
dot-dot                       ..                            
symbol                        myVar                         

it thinks the former is accessing myVar as a property of 5. and the latter is concatenating 5 and myVar

i should not support trailing decimal

[lavish frigate]

Do you have a separate concatenation operator

[winged mantle]

yeah

[lavish frigate]

Okay here is a lesson in language design: explain your reasoning behind adding a concat operator and why you are not just using addition

[winged mantle]

so that it's clear what you're doing

it's a dynamically typed language :p

easy solution is to just require 5.0

and not allow 5. as a shorthand

(you can just do 5f)

[lavish frigate]

im just trying to get you to think about the things you add :^) why have a concat operator?

[winged mantle]

isn't this clearer

print("1 + 1 is " .. 1 + 1)

then again it probably won't support auto conversion

i suppose with strict enough rules it's not really needed

it would come more handy in js where things make no sense

i mean there is logic to it but it's confusing

[tired vigil]

[valid jetty]

in elle, strings are aliases to char *. a + b adds b to the pointer (which may be an offset in chars). a <> b concatenates the 2 strings

its nicer than making + concat and being forced to do #cast(void *, a) + b)

[crude star]

<> is the not equals operator

?

[valid jetty]

the humble !=..

[valid jetty]

lua core

[winged mantle]

adding strings with + feels so cursed...

i've been doing too much c

and using strcat and snprintf

probably best to limit the amount of syntax

[valid jetty]

iirc go has that?

[valid jetty]

in elle to do this its probably even more cursed lol

if the type youre trying to concat isnt a string, you have to:

foo <> "{}".format(bar);

or

"{}{}".format(foo, bar);
``` its kinda fucked

[winged mantle]

i think i will just have a format function instead of f strings

[valid jetty]

yeah no i have that too

[winged mantle]

i planned f strings too 😭

[valid jetty]

these arent f strings

"{}".format(x) is sugar for string::format("{}", x) lol

[winged mantle]

i think i will have a load of useful global functions

[valid jetty]

hmmm

[winged mantle]

i don't think i want to support static methods anyway

i would like format("hello {}", name) or format("hello %s", name) best

why are you huskin g i don't want to make java

public static volatile transient final booolean;

[valid jetty]

do what i did :3

namespaces are max 1 level deep

foo::bar and no further

[winged mantle]

i don't want namespaces either

this is meant to be more like lua than c++

[valid jetty]

you know lua has namespaces right

[winged mantle]

aren't they just tables

[valid jetty]

well yeah i guess

Foo = Foo or {}

function Foo.bar(a, b)
    return a + b
end

print(Foo.bar(1, 2))

[jade stone]

is transient even valid on a static field

[winged mantle]

i don't know

it's been a while since i did java for real

iirc some of the access modifiers are encoded the same and just treated differently for different member types

[jade stone]

./run

public class Main {
  public static volatile transient final String foo;
  static {
    Main.foo = "bar";
  }
  public static void main(String[] args) {
    System.out.println(Main.foo);
  }
}

[rugged berry]

@jade stone I only received java(15.0.2) error output

file0.code.java:2: error: illegal combination of modifiers: final and volatile
  public static volatile transient final String foo;
                                                ^
file0.code.java:4: error: cannot assign a value to final variable foo
    Main.foo = "bar";
        ^
2 errors
error: compilation failed

[jade stone]

./run

public class Main {
  public static volatile transient final String foo = "bar";
  public static void main(String[] args) {
    System.out.println(Main.foo);
  }
}

[rugged berry]

@jade stone I only received java(15.0.2) error output

file0.code.java:2: error: illegal combination of modifiers: final and volatile
  public static volatile transient final String foo = "bar";
                                                ^
1 error
error: compilation failed

[winged mantle]

i thought about making my lang copy java's jar system though

i like jars

[jade stone]

./run

public class Main {
  public static volatile transient String foo = "bar";
  public static void main(String[] args) {
    System.out.println(Main.foo);
  }
}

[rugged berry]

Here is your java(15.0.2) output @jade stone

bar

[jade stone]

bar

[winged mantle]

i will copy META-INF/MANIFEST.MF

[crude star]

mfing manifest

[winged mantle]

i made a dumb mistake (first time doing recursive descent)

it's not very recursive

bnf really helps me understand what is going on

[valid jetty]

are you hand rolling your parser

[winged mantle]

yeah

is it weird to have an expression for unary +

oh wait

i guess types could overload unary + maybe

but it would be kind of bad practice to make it return anything other than itself

i don't want coercion in the core lib

[valid jetty]

i simply have it for the symmetry with unary minus tbh

unary minus acts like a mul by -1, unary plus acts like a mul by 1

[jade stone]

i think i've only ever used unary + in c++ to convert capture-less lambda to function pointer

[valid jetty]

[jade stone]

why husk

[paper path]

./run

console.log('test')

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @paper path

test

[winged mantle]

does clang format not allow you to align struct members

oh it does

but you can't exclude functions

[jade stone]

i think you can

idk tho

[winged mantle]

or local variables

[dense sand]

horrible font

[winged mantle]

i tried a few

this is nicest

[winged mantle]

i didn't fall in love with any vector fonts so i used a bitmap one

well really just a ttf port of a bitmap font with antialiasing disabled

it's nicer to read

more sharp

without looking strange like cleartype

[supple whale]

WDYM GOOGLE, WHY DO I HAVE A STACKTRACE WITH 21k THREADS

KILL ME PLEASE

[deep mulch]

sorry

[ivory heath]

This reminds me of some other Google projects that spawn like 400 thread because they thought that giving each thread its own dedicated function and using channels as communication was smart

[winged mantle]

finally

[winged mantle]

i think i will skip doing a tree-walk interpreter and go straight to bytecode because it feels more interesting

[winged mantle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underhanded_C_Contest

[still jolt]

sounds like just programming in C as a contest ​​​​​​​​​

[lavish frigate]

Thats a really cool idea actually

Wonder why it stopped

[winged mantle]

people were getting too good at it...

if this was still going jia tan would probably get first place

i have an idea

linux++

linux but c++

[crude star]

torvalds is having a heart attack

[lavish frigate]

Well can’t get any worse than Linux so not sure what Linux++ would really do

[hazy pine]

the true linux++ was macos all along

[royal nymph]

insane @crude star

[crude star]

YWS

YESSS

I've been using

[royal nymph]

This feature is experimental and is subject to change. Disable it by passing --no-experimental-strip-types CLI flag.

insane that they shipped an experimental feature as default

[crude star]

they support enums and other special ts syntax with --experimental-transform-types

[royal nymph]

INSANE

[crude star]

https://github.com/rniii/rini-native/blob/main/.npmrc

[pearl stag]

.npmrc:

node-options = "--disable-warning=ExperimentalWarning --experimental-transform-types"

[crude star]

tsx is so slow for some reason so ive been using this

[royal nymph]

skull issues?

[crude star]

the only annoying part is that you need to import files with .ts extension

[royal nymph]

node try not to ruin a cool feature challenge (impossible)

[crude star]

% time tsx -p 0
0
tsx -p 0  0.56s user 0.11s system 147% cpu 0.453 total
% time node -p 0
0
node -p 0  0.03s user 0.02s system 100% cpu 0.047 total

100ms

i cant wait that long

[royal nymph]

INSANE

[crude star]

(the actual problem is that they use --keep-names which for some reason causes my code to slow down)

i forgot why

[royal nymph]

make ur own tsx

[crude star]

i mean with this feature the only thing you need to do is add a module resolver

for extensionless

making soon

[deep mulch]

@crude star rinini

rini tax

[royal nymph]

its just 600 bytes why would discord lie

[crude star]

are we fileshaming now

[jade stone]

copilot so out of date

[royal nymph]

guhh probably using gpt4

try changing it to sonnet 4

[royal nymph]

(you have very limited "premium requests" so you cant main sonnet)

[jade stone]

it's not that limited tbh, I used them quite a bit last month and didn't really use that much

[cinder egret]

sadan and vee being ai bros is to be expected…..

oh mb

husking instantly at the same time.. the deep state is against me

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/AlpinDale/status/1963596765963456827

Alpin (@AlpinDale)

Grok code is inventing new python syntax

X · Sep 4, 2025, 1:35 PM

[jade stone]

grok so good

[tired vigil]

isn't grock just a chat gpt wrapper

[valid jetty]

grok is like chatgpt but racist

[royal nymph]

LOOOL

[royal nymph]

no

[stark timber]

yea with fascist prompt

[jade stone]

tsserver try to autocomplete symbols property challenge (impossible)

this is the second issue i've reported on this

[royal nymph]

simply dont use symbols

[jade stone]

@haughty socket guh
just typescript parse time

[supple whale]

odd symbols work fine for me

[jade stone]

soo handy

[supple whale]

and well

secure

fucking private

symbols is where its at

[supple whale]

i forgot

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscode.vscode-js-profile-flame

use that

its good

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/FernandoTheRojo/status/1963920115575005594

Fernando Rojo (@FernandoTheRojo)

party trick to get the last item of an array in javascript:

destructure the array's 𝚕𝚎𝚗𝚐𝚝𝚑. then use a computed name (𝚕𝚎𝚗𝚐𝚝𝚑 - 𝟷) and alias it to 𝚕𝚊𝚜𝚝

X · Sep 5, 2025, 11:00 AM

[royal nymph]

wild

https://x.com/rspack_dev/status/1963876463788114203

Rspack (@rspack_dev)

In the next release, Rspack ships advanced tree-shaking for dynamic imports via member expression analysis.

We've also contributed this optimization to webpack — pushing the ecosystem forward. 🚀

X · Sep 5, 2025, 8:06 AM

[jade stone]

oh, this looks like a neat API, i wonder why it isn't showing up in typescript

ill enjoy using it in three years

[jade stone]

polyfills my belove

https://www.npmjs.com/package/scroll-into-view-if-needed

[crude star]

vencord uses rspack soon

[jade stone]

https://github.com/sadan4/Vencord/blob/horror/webpack/rspack.config.ts

[royal nymph]

naaaaah

I will never stop using esbuild

I love esbuild for its simplicity

[jade stone]

vite

[royal nymph]

I used rollup and disliked it

[crude star]

i really don't understand webpack and such

[royal nymph]

but vite seems better than rollup

painless with frameworks like astro

[crude star]

like it kinda makes sense having dynamic modules, but if they all get packed in the same chunk then..???

[royal nymph]

elaborate?

[jade stone]

doesn't vite just use rollup as a backend

[crude star]

why not just compile like esbuild does

[royal nymph]

yes

[royal nymph]

girl wdym

[jade stone]

yeah

[royal nymph]

using vite for a Discord bot is crazy

[jade stone]

afaik it's a bit weird on node tho

[royal nymph]

but you could just use tsc

[jade stone]

hold on, give me a few minutes to compile

[royal nymph]

yes

that's why i use esbuild

tsc go might change it

[jade stone]

isn't it like 10x or smth like that

[royal nymph]

btw how is typescript in node implemented? @crude star if you know

like what parser does it use

does it use tsc and be slooow

[crude star]

I think it's their own parser

bc its just as fast as js

[jade stone]

amaro iirc

(i looked this up the other day)

[crude star]

yeah i heard that name

[royal nymph]

ducko wrote

[jade stone]

https://github.com/nodejs/amaro

[royal nymph]

no i made that up

[crude star]

wtf its swc

[jade stone]

oh, it uses swc wasm build

[ionic lake]

technically i do.... i have my bot as a workspace package which i install into my dashboard app written in nuxt, as a nuxt server plugin

[dense sand]

wtf does this mean, its regular uint8_t

[jade stone]

that sounds utterly insane

[jade stone]

is it because of constness?

[dense sand]

oh yea im dumb af i put const on the struct variable that the field is defined in

[ionic lake]

no it's completely fine, actually

i can run my bot standalone without the dashboard

doing this also gives me free access to everything from oceanic

[valid jetty]

@robust jackal

[ivory heath]

I think at some point i should stop and ask myself why

func progressCallbackCFunction(current, total C.int64_t, ptr *C.void) {
    ptrInt := int64(*((*C.int64_t)(unsafe.Pointer(&ptr))))
}

[frosty obsidian]

why is ferris portrayed as seething, he looks enthusiastic about sharing knowledge

[hexed surge]

Does Vencord, discord servers allow you to create RTC and other connections?
For example, only for sound, and work on the basis of streaming, but for sound?

[lavish cloud]

learning how to animate stuff in compose

v easy to change where it fades from

[deep mulch]

i love compose

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/saltyAom/status/1964476070985683335

SaltyAom (@saltyAom)

Please know that having to write 234 lines of TypeScript generic (simplified) on a single method overload doesn't bring me any joy

X · Sep 6, 2025, 11:49 PM

sane

do this for rini native @crude star

[jade stone]

@haughty socket

[haughty socket]

HOLY ABOMINATION

There's no way that's necessary

But I can't prove it

[jade stone]

what does const on a type parameter even do

[royal nymph]

bro elysia is probably the most overengineered framework it absolutely is necessary

[jade stone]

INSANE COMMIT FORMAT

[haughty socket]

That covid pandemic format

[jade stone]

@royal nymph adding 🔧 to all my vencord prs

[royal nymph]

the emojis are evil

[haughty socket]

It's scaring me

[royal nymph]

I never tried elysia I just follow aom cause hes cute

[haughty socket]

I'm ok with insane types

But like computed

[royal nymph]

computer

where?

you from sea too?

why is every RN mod dev from sea

[frosty obsidian]

conventional commits but with emojis bc mentally im a 5 year old

[jade stone]

i think this was the most insane type i ever wrote

type IsNever<T> = [T] extends [never] ? true : false;
type AssertedType<T extends Function, E = any> = T extends (
  a: any
) => a is infer R
  ? R extends E
    ? R
    : never
  : never;
export function findParrent<
  T extends Node = never,
  F extends Function = never,
  R extends Node = AssertedType<F, Node>,
>(
  node: Node,
  func: IsNever<T> extends true
    ? F extends (a: Node) => a is IsNever<T> extends true ? R : T
      ? F
      : never
    : (a: any) => a is IsNever<T> extends true ? R : T
): IsNever<T> extends true ? R | undefined : T | undefined {
  while (!func(node)) {
    if (!node.parent) return undefined;
    node = node.parent;
  }
  return node;
}

[frosty obsidian]

ooo pretty picture 🤤 🤤

[jade stone]

but i'm really stupid so it can be done like this instead
https://github.com/sadan4/VencordCompanion/blob/main/packages/ast-parser/src/types.ts#L6-L18

[royal nymph]

is that array really needed in isnever

[frosty obsidian]

they aren't even consistent with it

they use docs and doc

sometimes they use pencil and paper emoji and sometimes its a book

[jade stone]

oh, yes

it's the only way to tell if something is never

[royal nymph]

bro had a front row seat

[haughty socket]

Does never extends T not work

[jade stone]

iirc no

[haughty socket]

Not a type

[royal nymph]

is never the nan of typescript

[haughty socket]

NaT

[royal nymph]

as in nan != nan

[haughty socket]

Empty set is not a superset of empty set 💔

Axiom of delusion 💔

[jade stone]

I always just refer to this

[frosty obsidian]

yeah its pretty bad when you need a table like that

glad my language is more sane in that regard

you never use that

[jade stone]

Yeah, but can your generics parse JSON and play Doom

[royal nymph]

I usually just refer to this:
||

thing as any

||

[haughty socket]

My edge case

[royal nymph]

you really don't

[frosty obsidian]

no its sane and has a very extendable library for that

[jade stone]

Black bar my beloved

[haughty socket]

Doom library

Doom.kt

[royal nymph]

it's a spoiler 😭

clock on the left

[haughty socket]

Top left

[jade stone]

I tried clicking on it

Didn't work

Discord mobile has no bugs

[haughty socket]

Clock on the top left

[frosty obsidian]

weird

seems to work for me no problem

[jade stone]

Are you on Alibabacord

[frosty obsidian]

obviously

[frosty obsidian]

thanks i didn't know what time it was and really wanted to know

[haughty socket]

Clock on the top left

[frosty obsidian]

also update your phone

qpr should be out by now

[haughty socket]

It updated 2 days ago

[jade stone]

Tbh my phone felt pretty sluggish during the QPR

[frosty obsidian]

you mean right now?

[jade stone]

Less now

[frosty obsidian]

yeah its not in beta anymore

[jade stone]

But it was pretty bad a bit ago

[haughty socket]

I only have bug fix available

[frosty obsidian]

breaking news: betas tend to be worse in performance

qpr1 should be released

idk why you're not getting it

[haughty socket]

I'm on 15

Why

Why

[frosty obsidian]

oh you aren't even on 16 yet?

how

[haughty socket]

I loed

It's 16

I lied

[jade stone]

Pre cache companion where I calculated 1.5mb of cacheable data every load

[frosty obsidian]

i accidentally stayed on the beta program so now im stuck on qpr2 beta release that added annoying pip bug

[jade stone]

It took me like 6 months to implement caching because i am lazy

[valid jetty]

horror

[viscid grove]

not exactly programming, but does anyone know how to add something to the main windows 11 context menu (1) instead of the more options version (2)?
I kind of want to remove edit in notepad and notepad++, and add edit with vscodium there
I haven't been able to find anything online

[winged mantle]

https://github.com/discord/discord-api-docs/issues/7805

[dense sand]

guys im looking for a frontend stack which is not nextjs but is react, any tips? like so far tanstack router with vite was my option, but ill take any recommendations

[spark tiger]

afaik the “more option context menu” uses registry to add actions to it, so id assume the simplified windows 11 version uses it as well. what i would do is open regedit and try to search for Edit with Notepad++

[nimble bone]

you can’t

tbh just disable the new menu it sucks

[deep mulch]

vencord will have soon

[nimble bone]

how

[ionic lake]

tanstack router with vite is tanstack start, and then there's react router and waku
otherwise, you can assemble the tanstack pieces yourself, or you use wouter for routing and other things

[dense sand]

im looking at waku and it actually looks very nice

[viscid grove]

I like it

[lavish cloud]

ditch react and switch to Compose for Web obv /s

[viscid grove]

no results for Edit With Notepad++

I thought this was what was adding it, idk though. when I removed it, it didn't disappear, but maybe it needs a computer restart for some reason

[brisk sentinel]

is rhis chanel progaming or programing

am a bit slow

[spark tiger]

latter

[brisk sentinel]

oh oka

[fleet cedar]

Channel desc says so

[jade stone]

doesn't that ship skia as wasm and render to a canvas

[lavish cloud]

<10MB on a website I use it for

[lavish cloud]

yes

[lavish cloud]

oh and this also includes embedded ffmpeg

[jade stone]

the entire js for my website is only like 300kb

[pseudo sierra]

what site

[lavish cloud]

one that I cant share because of nintendo ninjas

[lavish cloud]

downside: you have to use JS

[tired vigil]

Why is the smallest file bigger when gzipped

[lavish cloud]

similar to how encoding a as base64 gives YQ==

it becomes bigger instead of smaller

[tired vigil]

😭

[valid jetty]

encoding anything in b64 will by definition make it bigger

it encodes 3 bytes into 4 chars

[lavish cloud]

shhh you get the idea

[winged mantle]

only?

i assume that's not all code you wrote

[scarlet tendon]

should this be safe to do

[shrewd canopy]

no dont dualboot windows and linux on same disk

that's not supported by Windows itself

[scarlet tendon]

wdym

it works fine on my bios pc without uefi

pop os is being weird

[shrewd canopy]

its all fun and games till Windows' updates (or bootloader) overwrite grub (or vice versa)

[scarlet tendon]

im on uefi on this oc

pc

[jade stone]

no, the main deps i use are classnames, react, react-dom, react-router, tailwindcss, react-spring, and zustand

[supple whale]

what the fuck is in there

my entire app is fucking 1MB

w/o assets

2MB with C code compiled to JS via WASM2JS

XD

[jade stone]

you mean the 1mb one

it's all of discord's intl keys

[nimble bone]

we need to make satan stop using react

[lavish cloud]

what if we make satan use react

then tell all react devs they're doing what satan wants them to do

then they'll stop using JS

[pseudo sierra]

TRUE

[lavish frigate]

Bro doesn’t know

[lavish cloud]

?

[pseudo sierra]

nina #1 react shill

[lavish frigate]

Satan already uses react

You are 8 years late

[lavish cloud]

fym how do you even prove that

you got a pull request from hell or something

[pseudo sierra]

yes

[lavish cloud]

but also wouldnt I have been 12 years late

[worldly sigil]

programming languages derived from historic religious figures

[lavish frigate]

No

[lavish cloud]

but react was released 12 years ago so wouldn't satan have used it back then already

[lavish frigate]

12 years late would be lizard people, not satanic, satanic takes a while to get on new tech

[lavish cloud]

why are we even having this discussion satan isnt real

[lavish frigate]

satan is real

[lavish cloud]

https://i.redd.it/a56sssp8kbjf1.gif

[tulip warren]

@jade stone?

[ornate quiver]

@jade stone ?

[hearty lintel]

https://i.redd.it/a56sssp8kbjf1.gif

[sweet pebble]

ive created a list of plugin ideas, is there any that u guys would object to? or say i shudnt bother with?

[fleet cedar]

Just wrap the link in <>

[sweet pebble]

<C:\Users\lando's pc\Documents\VAULT\Collection of Pictures>

oh shit that sorta works thanks

[fleet cedar]

I guess, but I meant for the one that involves links

[valid jetty]

https://github.com

@sweet pebble

[tired vigil]

why does you keyboard have an osu skin

[hazy pine]

affection addiction, peak spotted

[jade stone]

insane

[jade stone]

tsserver insane

[valid jetty]

proposing making fn it == y as shorthand for fn(x) x == y

opinions??

while server.is_err_and(fn(err) err == Errno::EADDRINUSE) {
    server = TcpServer::bind(port += 1);
}

shorthand

while server.is_err_and(fn it == Errno::EADDRINUSE) {
    server = TcpServer::bind(port += 1);
}

[jade stone]

that is batshit insane

[valid jetty]

this would come with a foreach shorthand too

for <expr> {
    $dbg(it);
}

as a shorthand for

for x in <expr> {
    $dbg(x);
}

[crude star]

just use kotlin already

[valid jetty]

(0..3).map(fn it * 2).intersperse(0).collect()

[0, 0, 2, 0, 4, 0]

[ivory heath]

It being a keyword here only valid in the for scope? Like a this for objects in OOP?

This feels like delving into function and also unreadable insanity

[valid jetty]

it's not a keyword

for 0..10 {
    $dbg(it);
}

is shorthand for

for it in 0..10 {
    $dbg(it); 
}

there's no special case fuckery, it just automatically declares a variable for you if you don't give it a name yourself

[ivory heath]

Yes in the first one where is it being defined as the variable

[valid jetty]

yeah

oh what

that was a question

the first one is semantically equivalent to the second one

i'm not sure what you mean by where

[ivory heath]

Yes but where in for 0..1 do you define IT being the value

[valid jetty]

you don't

[valid jetty]

^^^ it's implicit

[ivory heath]

So it’s a keyword

[valid jetty]

unless you do for x in y in which case x will be the name

[crude star]

doesn't have to be

[valid jetty]

no lol

the first one basically creates the second one

it's syntax sugar

it would be a keyword if it had some special binding or special meaning but it's just the default name for the variable in the foreach unless you specify one yourself

[lavish frigate]

That’s so weird

Why

[valid jetty]

basically if you don't add the ... foo in ... part, it will assume you want ... it in ...

[lavish frigate]

What’s the benefit of this

Apart it not being clear (I guess the benefit is confusing people new to the language?)

[valid jetty]

very often i just wanna iterate values of something which is iterable and i don't wanna come up with a name for the element lol

[crude star]

kotlin has it

[valid jetty]

and jai

[ivory heath]

I think it’s potentially very misleading f

[valid jetty]

and odin (iirc)

[crude star]

those are not real languages sorry

[valid jetty]

i'm pretty sure swift also has it

[crude star]

just type a random letter guh

[crude star]

no

it's $0

[valid jetty]

oh yeah

[valid jetty]

usually i use x

and it's annoying

i think scala uses _ instead of it?

[crude star]

ugly

[valid jetty]

yeah i don't like that either

the only other one i would consider is $ but that's out of the question because that's the alias to create tuples

https://github.com/acquitelol/elle/blob/rewrite/std/runtime/collections/tuple.le#L25-L29

[pearl stag]

tuple.le: Lines 25-29

fn Tuple::new<T, U>(T x, U y) -> (T, U) {
    return Tuple { x = x, y = y };
}

external fn Tuple::new<T, U>(T x, U y) @alias($) -> (T, U);

[crude star]

why are tuples limited to 2 elements 😭 😭 😭 😭

[valid jetty]

because i haven't written n-tuples yet

you have triples too https://github.com/acquitelol/elle/blob/rewrite/std/runtime/collections/triple.le#L32-L36

[pearl stag]

triple.le: Lines 32-36

fn Triple::new<T, U, V>(T x, U y, V z) -> Triple<T, U, V> {
    return Triple { x = x, y = y, z = z };
}

external fn Triple::new<T, U, V>(T x, U y, V z) @alias($$) -> Triple<T, U, V>;

[valid jetty]

any more and you might aswell just use a struct tbh

[crude star]

horror

[deep mulch]

@crude star@valid jetty hiiii

[crude star]

at least name it pair

or something

[deep mulch]

yop

[valid jetty]

Pair<T, U> and Polycule<T, U, V>

[deep mulch]

why

[valid jetty]

it's fine because most of the time you won't even see the name of the tuple type

there is a type alias of (T, U) to Tuple<T, U>

[crude star]

unusable language

[deep mulch]

elle syntax evil

[crude star]

steal julia pairs a => b

[valid jetty]

actually very usable

[crude star]

or kotlin a to b

[valid jetty]

i'm writing all of my school projects in it and it's more pleasant than c#

[deep mulch]

well anything more pleasant than C#

[crude star]

im writing all my school projects in riniscript and its more pleasant than malbolge

[deep mulch]

@crude star

hii

[crude star]

@deep mulch

[deep mulch]

hiiiii

[crude star]

Malbolge was very difficult to understand when it arrived, taking two years for the first Malbolge program to appear. The author himself has never written a Malbolge program. The first program was not written by a human being; it was generated by a beam search algorithm designed by Andrew Cooke and implemented in Lisp.

this is elle

[deep mulch]

this is the rini

[jade stone]

thanks vscode

it's been like two minutes

why is clang-format so slow

[crude star]

wtf are you formatting

[valid jetty]

if i ever implement infix functions i deffo wanna have this, yes

would make

$map(
    $("a", 1),
    $("b", 2),
    $("c", 3),
);

into

$map(
    "a" to 1,
    "b" to 2,
    "c" to 3
);

i also wanted to fix that fucked up array init syntax

[i32; 1, 2, 3];

into

[1, 2, 3]i32;

or

[Note;];

into

[]Note;

x := []Note;

[crude star]

GUH

[jade stone]

20mb file with ~400 lines

[jade stone]

edit: 30 lines

[valid jetty]

wdym guh

which part is guh

is the new syntax guh or the old syntax or what

😭

[crude star]

both

[valid jetty]

what do you propose instead

i kinda like the 2nd one, it makes some symmetry between the value and the type

the type is Note[], the value is []Note

[jade stone]

the js formatter i use can do it in ~10s (my guess from watching it, not an actual time)

but it's not perfect

https://issues.chromium.org/issues/442209349

waiting on that

[shrewd canopy]

What it does have 💀

[jade stone]

https://discord.com/assets/web.092985985dc0024f.js

[crude star]

use js-beautify

[spark tiger]

371.4m downloads per week is insane https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-hijack-npm-packages-with-2-billion-weekly-downloads-in-supply-chain-attack/

[crude star]

fork https://github.com/rniii/tetris-vendor

it uses nothing

node runs typescript directly now

no

use relative imports

[ionic lake]

you can assign them in package.json

"imports": {
"#framework": { "types": "./src/framework/index.ts", "default": "./src/framework/index.ts"
}
},

here you go

[crude star]

oh huh

does node actually support

[ionic lake]

yes

not globs though

[crude star]

guhhh

will they ever ship a complete feature

dont use its malware

[ionic lake]

undo what

just use whatever you want

lmao

[crude star]

Entries in the imports field must be strings starting with #.

{
    "compilerOptions": {
        "allowImportingTsExtensions": true,
        "strict": true,
        "verbatimModuleSyntax": true,
        "module": "nodenext",
        "moduleResolution": "nodenext",
        "noEmit": true,
        "target": "esnext"
    }
}

my paige is so useless

tbh

dont use tsx

why do you need

[ionic lake]

tsx is not supported by node

[ionic lake]

jsx components v2

[crude star]

so baddd

[ionic lake]

you will need to use something like tsx or oxnode

its okay roshie

you'll be fine.

[crude star]

my paige is so dumb man

[ionic lake]

paige is not dumb at all

just a bit frustrated...

wait are you using oceanic?

It's because oceanic.js is still on cjs, and it's not mixing well

I fixed it by downgrading tsx but well you could probably enable the cjs typescript flags

[crude star]

horror

[ionic lake]

Let me look into it

I'm working on my bot too

[crude star]

node --disable-warning=ExperimentalWarning --experimental-transform-types src/index.ts

just works

never using anything else now (lie)

[ionic lake]

Version is tsx@4.7.0

[crude star]

esbuild src/index.ts --bundle --platform=node --format=esm --sourcemap=inline | node --enable-source-maps -

[ionic lake]

are you filesystem loading

jiti also works? im getting a different error but feel free to try

you need to define jsxFactory

in tsconfig

i think ur using venbot cv2 code but look into its tsconfig

[jade stone]

esbuild based iirc

[ionic lake]

no it's using babel

[jade stone]

oh

maybe i'm thinking of something else

[ionic lake]

yes it just basically compiles with esbuild's transform api and then sends it to node

then its in build.mjs

[crude star]

use my shitty replacement https://github.com/rniii/tetris-vendor/blob/main/src/commands/tetris.ts#L69-L87

[pearl stag]

tetris.ts: Lines 69-87

ActionRow([
    TextButton("swap", {
        style: ButtonStyles.SECONDARY,
        emoji: { name: "🔀" },
    }),
    TextButton("hard-drop", {
        style: ButtonStyles.SECONDARY,
        emoji: { name: "⏬" },
    }),
    TextButton("none1", {
        style: ButtonStyles.SECONDARY,
        label: "\u200b",
        disabled: true,
    }),
    TextButton("rotate-left", {
        style: ButtonStyles.SECONDARY,
        emoji: { name: "↪️" },
    }),
]),

[ionic lake]

one sec

point jsxImportSource to runtime.ts

[crude star]

@young flicker

dude just ```ts
const TextDisplay = (content: string): TextDisplayComponent => ({
type: ComponentTypes.TEXT_DISPLAY,
content,
});

[lucid trail]

my math prof used maple mono on her slides

[ionic lake]

@young flicker you still want it?

[royal nymph]

FLUTTER

just import runtime somewhere and make them global functions

and set jsxFactory and jsxFragment in your tsconfig

should work

actually

node doesn't support it probably

[jade stone]

I am going to go insane

[dense sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372978041286033601/1414715448397922304/W9yx0M6.png?ex=68c093ef&is=68bf426f&hm=67118cc9c37b2a6b85d530e37be21db2b12d8dc9e045b95e5609a75d3baca6c5&

Lmao

[ionic lake]

hi

[sweet pebble]

goat bro thanks

[sweet pebble]

this is prolly a bad time for me to make vencord plugins today thanks ddos

[lavish cloud]

I take it back @lavish frigate the devil does use react

[lavish frigate]

❤️

[jade stone]

vue hurts my head too much

how is there hot reload for components but not css

[royal nymph]

wtf lmaoo

[jade stone]

😭
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1335058334335893604/1414776436480278578/2025-09-08_20-55-51.mp4?ex=68c0ccbb&is=68bf7b3b&hm=f32adb3a29fe45d24f16c2a6bfaeb54c80a53d68d09dc61a043b9de742ab726d&

GUH

RECORDED THE WRONG MONITOR

[frosty obsidian]

did you not even look at the preview in obs

[jade stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1335058334335893604/1414776864123261062/2025-09-08_20-57-19.mp4?ex=68c0cd21&is=68bf7ba1&hm=b71c5b0ff9b4f3eb785d13e133876f9e2928c838a9632722e8a1aee7befda129&

[frosty obsidian]

sadan ignoring 2/3rds of the screen

default i think

it came with the kde that i installed

[jade stone]

https://github.com/sadan4/dotfiles/blob/main/common/users/homeModules/displays/_makePanel.nix#L18-L31

[pearl stag]

_makePanel.nix: Lines 18-31

{
  alignment = "left";
  widgets = [
    {
      kicker = {
        icon = "nix-snowflake-white";
      };
    }
    {
      appMenu = {
      };
    }
  ];
}

[royal nymph]

RECORDED THE WRONG MONITOR award

[frosty obsidian]

no i just mean the widget (or w/e kde calls them) comes preinstalled

[jade stone]

it's the Global Menu in kde itself

[frosty obsidian]

global menu is included by default you just have to add it to a panel yourself

[jade stone]

HLJS supports nix

[formal belfry]

Something shat itself
React is not defined

[crude star]

define it??

[deep mulch]

half life js

[jade stone]

vue is insane

i don't understand how people use it

[deep mulch]

@jade stone loves vue

[ionic lake]

I love vue

its awesome

[jade stone]

vue is so evil i'm learning next.js

[ionic lake]

have fun

[dense sand]

https://mk.absturztau.be/notes/aceuesggkv4j05ck

so like whats the compromised package here?

color-name but it seems it already got reverted

[ionic lake]

https://www.aikido.dev/blog/npm-debug-and-chalk-packages-compromised

[merry kettle]

Is this an help channel?

[elder yarrow]

👉 #🏥-vencord-support-🏥

(Auto-response invoked by @pseudo sierra)

[nimble bone]

v

[stark timber]

seriously how is this ever undefined

this has to be a problem with the minifier right?

when registerContext gets imported shouldn't that contexts variable be initialized?

idgi

[crude star]

what bundler are you using

[stark timber]

rolldown

[fleet cedar]

What blunder are you using

[crude star]

its undefined if the function gets called before that line

registerContext(whatever);

const contexts = new Set();

[stark timber]

this is minified

wait

[crude star]

well

when is init context called

[deep mulch]

@crude star

[stark timber]

a bunch

t

this is how the error occurs

but it should be fine no??

wait

I get it

[stark timber]

I think where it sets contexts here should be at the top

how do I even fix that 😭

I think it's circular import bc context imports plugins set from plugin and then plugin imports registerContext from context

which is usually fine I think but bc the set gets defined at the bottom of those init things it BREAKS

@lyric latch ik u use rolldown do u have this issue too or naw

yeah but init_plugin also calls init_context

yeah

how do I even fix this tho

😭

yea that's what I was doing before but eh

is it acceptable

to have like

a registry.ts file

where I have the contexts set and the plugins set and whatever else

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

wait that makes sm sense

thx goat

[stark timber]

it works!

[stark timber]

@lyric latch do you know why this happens

lol

https://github.com/extendify-mod/extendify/blob/next/scripts/build.ts

https://github.com/rolldown/rolldown/issues/4934 smth similar ig but not fully

also it's already closed

[winged mantle]

maybe people should avoid using too many libraries

reinventing the wheel can have advantages

of course you need to use some its just sometimes ridiculous

[lavish frigate]

No I think this is fine

[winged mantle]

use libraries for things which are actually hard

[lavish frigate]

No purposefully use libraries which got hacked

[winged mantle]

there's just one problem with that

[lavish frigate]

In case you didn’t get it all of these were under the latest supply chain attack

[winged mantle]

yeah that's the point people should avoid using too many libraries

it increases the probabability of being affected by some kind of attack

probababilitiy

[lavish frigate]

Most people don’t use any of these directly but they are part of some larger framework which people do use

[winged mantle]

framework authors are people too

[lavish frigate]

I don’t think so

I actually think they are plue

Actually I think people should get more into assembly making an 6502 emulator has been quite fun

[winged mantle]

i made one too but had no idea how to test it without attaching a display

i guess it is doable to use nes test rom without ppu

also 6502 isn't just nes specific

[lavish frigate]

Someone made an amazing guide which also includes test roms with the goal of running super Mario

I can send it later I’m outside rn

[winged mantle]

outside? with your laptop?

[lavish frigate]

No I’m sending this on my phone in car rides the pic I sent was from yesterday

[winged mantle]

how does anyone ever go outside with their laptop??

(sorry i just found it funny to say this because of a conversation i had with some other people)

[lavish frigate]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/making-your-nes-137873901

on patreon but its a free post

and in case you dont want to actually read this the test roms are at the very bottom

[deep mulch]

the roms

[winged mantle]

i prefer to work things out without tutorials

[lavish frigate]

im deviating extremely from the tutorial because the tutorial is extremely basic

but the tutorial contains a lot of small stuff you can easily overlook

like you cant tell me you can find out yourself that the nes decrements the stack by 3 on startup????

[jade stone]

did you see some of his youtube videos

really good

[lavish frigate]

yeah i did

thats what inspired me to make my own emulator

[jade stone]

[crude star]

[ivory heath]

bitpacking makes me go fucking insane

37%

37% for 10 bit values and 25% for 12 bit

and for anything larger than a few thousand samples it runs at GIGABYTES a second single threaded

[jade stone]

@deep mulch you love dynamic typing in rust

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/any/trait.Any.html

[deep mulch]

scary

[fleet cedar]

C++ has it too https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/utility/any.html

[dense sand]

i want to scrape a website but its protected by CF check, is there any way to bypass it?

[fleet cedar]

Literally the whole point of CF is to stop people like you

[dense sand]

i know, i just want my train data

[shrewd canopy]

headless Chrome unfortunately

[dense sand]

like puppeteer?

[shrewd canopy]

yeah or playwright

[dense sand]

but it seems like the check screen appears always, even if i open it on firefox, i get the CF check screen

[dense sand]

tried to use puppeteer but cloudflare still blocked it

[pseudo sierra]

flaresolverr

[dense sand]

[jade stone]

why does it seem that every crate i use is made by this same guy

[shrewd canopy]

he contributes to rust itself and owns syn, thats why probably

plus serde

[jade stone]

im using anyhow, syn, cargo-expand, and proc-marco2 directly

[supple whale]

its pretty much the same for old nodejs

[jade stone]

who knows what else transitively

[supple whale]

80% of shit was made by feross, diego or endless

or mafintosh

[jade stone]

how is this still not a thing

insane

https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/issues/2324

[delicate grove]

Alright @dense sand, in 5 hours, 20 minutes and 1 second: arch linux presentation

[jade stone]

guhh why is there no method to get T or E from Result<T, E> where T and E implement a common trait

[fleet cedar]

What type would that method return?

[valid jetty]

can you return &impl T?

is that a thing

[fleet cedar]

Sure

[valid jetty]

then that

[fleet cedar]

But that's one type, not two

[valid jetty]

Box<dyn T>

[fleet cedar]

Can't be generic over traits though

You could certainly have a fn either(&self) -> &dyn Debug where T: Debug, E: Debug

[valid jetty]

can you make a macro that does basically

if let Ok(v) = x { v as impl T } else { x.unwrap_err() as impl T }

i'm typing on my phone and can't test any of this

if it seems like garbage, it is

[fleet cedar]

No, both if branches have to have the same type

[valid jetty]

hmmmm

[valid jetty]

i see

[crude star]

i think you can only return impl in function signatures

[valid jetty]

well yeah but the macro wouldn't have an explicit return type

[crude star]

and when you do you can't actually use diff types

it just becomes an opaque type

[valid jetty]

i don't remember how you cast an rval to a particular trait to perform specifically that trait's methods

[fleet cedar]

You can Debug::fmt(&foo)

[crude star]

boxed dyn

[valid jetty]

because foo.bar() is ambiguous there was some way to call bar on the right trait without Foo::bar(&foo)

i don't remember what the syntax is tho

[crude star]

i don't think that's a thing

[valid jetty]

you don't have to box

you can just as &dyn T

hopefully the optimizer will refrain from creating a vtable

[crude star]

/run ```rs
trait T {}
struct A {}
struct B {}
impl T for A {}
impl T for B {}

fn foo(x: bool) -> impl T {
if x {
A {}
} else {
B {}
}
}

[rugged berry]

@crude star I received rs(1.68.2) compile errors

error[E0308]: `​if`​ and `​else`​ have incompatible types
  --> file0.code:12:5
   |
9  | /   if x {
10 | |     A {}
   | |     ---- expected because of this
11 | |   } else {
12 | |     B {}
   | |     ^^^^ expected struct `​A`​, found struct `​B`​
13 | |   }
   | |___- `​if`​ and `​else`​ have incompatible types
   |
help: you could change the return type to be a boxed trait object
   |
8  | fn foo(x: bool) -> Box<dyn T> {
   |                    ~~~~~~~  +
help: if you change the return type to expect trait objects, box the returned expressions
   |
10 ~     Box::new(A {})
11 |   } else {
12 ~     Box::new(B {})
   |

error: aborting due to previous error

For more information about this error, try `​rustc --explain E0308`​.
chmod: cannot access 'binary': No such file or directory
error[E0308]: `​if`​ and `​else`​ have incompatible types
  --> file0.code:12:5
   |```

[valid jetty]

well yeah that's not what i meant tho

hold on let me get in the car

[jade stone]

[supple whale]

https://tenor.com/view/4k-caught-caught-in4k-caught-in8k-8k-gif-20014426

[jade stone]

gave up on the function and made a macro

[valid jetty]

i didn't understand a single word of this other than "advent of code"

[lavish frigate]

implemented all official 6502 instructions now, in the RAM you can see (in order) Fibonacci, Hello World, 0 - 16, and some test bytes

[crude star]

wtf is this

[delicate grove]

Reminders

1530112: <t:1757534400:R>

arch linux presentation

1 reminder

[delicate grove]

@dense sand, <t:1757515199:R>: arch linux presentation

[pseudo sierra]

[shrewd canopy]

🪟

[tired vigil]

nyaa~

[jade stone]

rust macros my beloved

[deep mulch]

@jade stone next_sadan

[jade stone]

better image

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty im gonna be a shepherd

fuck this

[ornate quiver]

tf

[valid jetty]

LMAO

[winged mantle]

have an appetite for c++ again 😋 but i think i want to avoid iostream this time

and write it more like c

is this weird

[deep mulch]

no

[winged mantle]

i feel an urge to write pre c++11

but it's probably not that pleasant

idk i just want to return pointers from things

and basically write c with classes

and have wanted to for a while

i imagine c++11 irons out some quirks

and has some things that i would otherwise need to implement myself for no good reason

[limpid mica]

basically forget about lambdas or any metaprogramming if you don't want it to be painful

that or use a LOT of boost

[winged mantle]

i think it's the metapgoramming that turns me off c++ sometimes

[limpid mica]

i used to use boost::bind and boost::function so much

[winged mantle]

i've tried c many times but it always feels like well... c++ is basically just c without handicaps.. right

[limpid mica]

yeah

ig

[winged mantle]

the real problem with c++ is it's a slippery slope

[limpid mica]

what do you mean? hides her c++26 codebase under the table

[winged mantle]

i think c is an impressive language considering it often makes modern languages look dumb with the way they do things

C:

struct Person {
  const char *name;
  int age;
}

Java (before records):

(give me a second)

public class Person {
    private String name;
    private int age;

    public Person(String name, int age) {
        this.name = name;
        this.age = age;
    }

    public String getName() {
        return name;
    }

    public int getAge() {
        return age;
    }

    public void setName(String name) {
        this.name = name;
    }

    public void setAge(int age) {
        this.age = age;
    }

    @Override
    public boolean equals(Person other) {
        if (this == other)
            return true;
        if (other.getClass() != Person.class)
            return false;

        return Object.equals(this.name, other.name) && this.age == other.age;
    }

    @Override
    public int hashCode() {
        return Objects.hash(this.name, this.age);
    }
}

OK OK, c doesn't give you equals and hashCode for free either

but if you don't implement them in java right away you might be in for some surprises, because every object has these methods with default behaviour if you don't specify your own

[jade stone]

You don't have to make them private in Java

[winged mantle]

true

but look at actual java code written before 202x

[winged mantle]

string_view

string views are far too handy - i implemented them while making a c interpreter

for the lexer

[ivory heath]

You know you can do this in c too right?

Many apis do it as well

[winged mantle]

true

opaque pointesr

it's just this... at least at one point was like the default way of doing things

using opaque pointer/pimnpl outside of a library would be a bit weird?

[ivory heath]

Hidden state is common to do all the time in c libs

C libs do exactly what you’re complaining about that Java does

[valid jetty]

i never fucking understood why people are so adamant on encapsulation

especially when you define a setter

like why define a setter and getter at all just make the field public

[ivory heath]

It’s common at least in Java or some other oop languages because there is implicit logic that is ran when state is updated

Let’s say for example we have a vector class.

The could for example just change the int that says how long the memory allocation is to whatever we want.

Instead we have a .set() or .reserve() that implicitly calls Malloc or whatever we use

Or you trust the user to manage our state

And the end user will never do it correctly.

C is amazing in its simplicity but it does not stop you from blowing your whole god damn foot off

If anything with asinine things like inconsistent implementations of strings it’s very easy to do so

[winged mantle]

lol yeah i don't think getters are bad in all situations

[winged mantle]

i don't think joining together two strings is that much harder than c++ but i can see why a beginner would struggle

char *dup_n_cat(char *a, char *b) {
    char *new = malloc(strlen(a) + strlen(b) + 1);
    strcpy(new, a);
    strcat(new, b);
    return new;
}

this is... correct... right..? 😟

c strings are also not that efficient though

strcat is iterating the string again for the null terminator

[ivory heath]

Yes, or you get a uint8_t/char array with a size_t to use

The fact it isn’t even standardized

[ivory heath]

Oh also you forgot to free the first two strings. Or did you not pass ownership of it?

Is the string from a lib and it owns it and if you rub a deconstruct or later it will free an invalid pointer and crash?

[valid jetty]

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdint.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <stdarg.h>
#include <stdlib.h>

char *__nstrcat(char *strings[], int n) {
    size_t sizes[n];
    size_t length = 0;

    for (size_t i = 0; i < n; ++i) {
        sizes[i] = strlen(strings[i]);
        length += sizes[i];
    }

    char *result = malloc(sizeof(char) * (length + 1));
    size_t index = 0;

    for (size_t i = 0; i < n; ++i) {
        char *current = strings[i];

        for (size_t j = 0; j < sizes[i]; ++j) {
            result[index] = current[j];
            index += 1;
        }
    }

    result[index] = '\0';
    return result;
}

#define nstrcat(...) __nstrcat((char *[]){ __VA_ARGS__ }, sizeof((char *[]){ __VA_ARGS__ }) / sizeof(char *))

int main() {
    char *res = nstrcat("a", "foo", "..mroww", "\n");
    printf(res);
    return 0;
}

[supple whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/953343281666875443/1415781300291375113/2025-09-11_21-12-24.mp4?ex=68c47495&is=68c32315&hm=fd0e766d0a4b49716621800feb861624b06f61e1f2bb7a14c7b4b0046c990cac&

i cooked

[tired vigil]

That's so cool

Where are you pulling this data from?

[supple whale]

anilist

as all other anime metadata in the app

well.. for the most part

[tired vigil]

I've never seen the relations visualized through a graph automatically (ik that people usually make these graphs by hand) so I was wondering if there's like an endpoint that returns all related anime, or do you like have to recursively fetch everything

[supple whale]

.

[shrewd canopy]

GraphQL 💀

[supple whale]

their gql server shits itself after 3 recursions

so i need to run multiple queries

abd de-duplicate

[tired vigil]

😭

[supple whale]

dude URQL is fucking INSANE

automatic entity normalized offline caching its nuts

i just run a query, and URQL goes "ah, I've seen that one before" and resolves the query based on the data in your cache without needing to run network requests

like what???

[valid jetty]

recrusiverelations <3

[supple whale]

you dont want to know what kind of mental state i was cooking this in

i think i was up at 4am today coding it

cuz i couldnt sleep

so i forced myself to code

[winged mantle]

huh... why would you free some strings passed to you

i just had a strange thought

i feel like i might end up writing a c++ projcet without using stdc++ at all

if you use new i assume you need it at runtime though?

"vector is too annoying to use, i'll just use malloc and realloc"

i am basically writing legacy c++

in 2025

[ivory heath]

That’s just how some of them be

For example ffmpeg will return a char ptr of the string name of a pixel format if you pass the enum value

But never actually clarifies if for example if it’s a static const global or a copy you must free

[winged mantle]

why would you need to free that

that would be dumb

[ivory heath]

Because the pointer and ownership is passed to you

[winged mantle]

it's probably returning literals

[ivory heath]

It is but the api isn’t very clear on it

[winged mantle]

c doesn't really have a concept of ownership

[ivory heath]

It’s implicit in behavior

It’s not literal ofc

[winged mantle]

yeah but you can't assume everything a function returns to you now belongs to you