🪅-progaming

[valid jetty]

instead now the type of x.__iter__ can be anything you like

as long as it has a chain method on it

ofc later itll fail at the unwrap_or_else if its not an iterator

but you get the point

now you can do (0..10).flat_map(fn(x) [x]) or (0..10).flat_map(fn(x) HashMap::with_entries($(x, x))) anbd itll still work fine

[jade stone]

C++ needs rust style macros

[shrewd canopy]

Its called #define

[winged mantle]

can your c++ do this though

[valid jetty]

whatever youre about to post, i can assure you, it probably can

[fleet cedar]

How about... errors that point to where the error is?

[winged mantle]

namespace macros {
#define declvoidfunc(name, ...) void name##(__va_args__)
}

macros::declvoidfunc(print, const char *msg) {
    std::cout << msg;
}

[valid jetty]

can your c++ do this
posts c++

[winged mantle]

namespaced macros

[valid jetty]

if you meant "can your rust do this" it can

[winged mantle]

c++ can't do this

[valid jetty]

what language did you just post..?

[winged mantle]

invalid c++

[valid jetty]

????? WHY

[fleet cedar]

Because macros::void is not legal

[valid jetty]

ok whatver in rust you just need to pub(crate) use macro_name then elsewhere you can use my_crate; and my_crate::macro_name!()

[shrewd canopy]

Why would I want this when I can do macros_declvoldfunc(print, const char* msg) { std::cout << msg; }

[fleet cedar]

Because that's ugly

[winged mantle]

not really

[shrewd canopy]

Macros themselves are already ugly, why should i care more

[winged mantle]

yeah

it's just unc++ like to do namespaces like that

and macros are often ugly

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty add borrow checker to elle

[dense sand]

So true

[frosty obsidian]

borrow checker but you have to ask the compiler really nicely if you can borrow something and it has a chance of saying no

[tired vigil]

borrow checker but every 10th borrow you get a chance to win a free kernel panic

[valid jetty]

borrow checker but you have to balance your politeness

if you dont have enough please theres an error for insufficient politeness

if you say please too much theres an error for too much politeness

// ideal
please &x;
&x;
&x;
please &x;
&x;
please &x:
&x;
&x;
&x;
please &x;

// too little
please &x;
&x;
&x;
&x;
&x;
&x:
&x;
&x;
&x;
&x;

// too much
please &x;
please &x;
please &x;
please &x;
please &x;
please &x:
&x;
please &x;
please &x;
please &x;

[crude star]

rosie reinventing INTERCAL

[abstract fulcrum]

im sorry what

[crude star]

vsoftban 1

[elder yarrow]

Done!

softbanned @mental dew

[lavish frigate]

https://zed.dev/blog/why-llms-cant-build-software

[deep mulch]

?

[crude star]

cockmaster services

[frosty obsidian]

mean mods banning the nice people selling cockmaster services

[ivory heath]

Most importantly as Apple told all of us a year ago. They lack the ability to reason

Which causes all the issues listed.

[jade stone]

@deep mulch make ai that can take the discord minified bundle as input and write vencord patches

[crude star]

gpt-6 will do this

[deep mulch]

soon my son

soon

[golden goblet]

how do i enable userplugins

[jade stone]

not supported, for other vencord issues go to #🏥-vencord-support-🏥

[lavish frigate]

yep, also funny since all the ai companies advertise their models as "reasoning" models

[golden goblet]

all i need is a plugin that flags discord users as malicious

[jade stone]

@nimble bone all i need is a plugin that flags discord users as malicious

[nimble bone]

how much are you willing to pay

(assuming you want the plugin made)

[jade stone]

also how would you even determine if a user is malicious lol

[golden goblet]

tf?

chatgpt is coming in clutch

[golden goblet]

basically ur not helping and ur ragebaiting

crazy

[jade stone]

have fun with that, but don't ask for help with AI plugins here

if you want to write your own plugin, without AI, checkout #📖-info and #🧩-plugin-development

[golden goblet]

whatever makes you sleep at night i guess

[nimble bone]

v+ no programming

[urban isle]

LMAO

[worldly sigil]

wonder someone has made a type-system tierlist

[ionic lake]

python number 1

S tier

[lavish frigate]

Wplace is coded so absolutely uber-ass im gonna start using it as a reason why I dislike go

[ivory heath]

huh?

just say it pleaseeeeeeeeeee

[lavish frigate]

list of issues with wplace (non exhaustive):

• Constant server crashes
• People just found routes that cause the servers to completely crash (awesome)
• The backend returns the content-type header twice (awesome)
• Their auth sucked so much that people would randomly log into other peoples accounts (they took down the servers for this) (they also blamed cloudflare for this) (they took the time to implement jwts to combat this only for it to still happen)
• Twitch auth allowed people to create potentially infinite accounts
• Things just refuse to load sometimes (map tiles, especially leaderboards)
• The above might also be caused because they accidentally ddosed openfreemap by sending 6 billion requests to their public instance
• The amount of charges can sometimes go into the negatives
• There are a bunch of features that randomly cause the server to return 500 sometimes (alliances for example)
• You sometimes get logged out for no reason (fun)
• Your account can show up as banned randomly, this is also a bug

Frontend issues:

• They have a service worker for offline preservation, it causes you to fail placing a pixel sometimes, it also loads huge amounts of wasm slowing down the entire site
• Leaderboards get cached and return an error if nothing is found in the cache, the leaderboards have to be opened for them to be cached, thus leaderboards always error until you switch tabs after they are loaded (incredible really)

im definitely missing a bunch of things

[ivory heath]

none of thoes are because it is go and if anything sounds like just poor design or logic bugs

[nimble bone]

typescript S tier python F tier the rest sort it out yourselves

[ivory heath]

People just found routes that cause the servers to completely crash (awesome)
like this of all things, even the stdlib has very good built in routing support

how the fuck they added a path that crashes everyting is BEYOND me

[lavish frigate]

i know but its still made in go and i need more reasons to dislike go

[ivory heath]

are you just saying the stricter the types the better?

cause then go, rust, c++ (if you do it right), and any remotely modern language is then s tier

[lavish frigate]

rust is one of the absolute strictest id say

[ivory heath]

a better reason to hate go is no native Optional or Future

[lavish frigate]

so true actually thank you

i will put that on my list

[ivory heath]

im currently implementing futures and i hate it

[jade stone]

uhhhh how do i lifetime

[ivory heath]

why does this look like comic sans....

[jade stone]

https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts/tree/master/patched-fonts/ComicShannsMono

[ivory heath]

because it is

[lavish frigate]

I would honestly avoid storing references inside of structs, do you need that connection to be a reference?

[jade stone]

yeah, a ref is what i want here

[lavish frigate]

well if you are so sure you have to define the lifetime on the impl, then use it on both the struct and the reference argument in your constructor like this:

[jade stone]

thanks

[lavish frigate]

what is that

[jade stone]

how do you try_into a string from Vec<u8>

from what i can tell the trait is implemented https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/string/struct.String.html#impl-TryFrom<Vec<u8>>-for-String

[ornate quiver]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/str/fn.from_utf8.html

?

oh guh

[ornate quiver]

oh you're not specifying the type it should convert into

it's trying to convert Vec<u8> to ()

[jade stone]

oh 😭

[twin matrix]

a terminal based file explorer, inspired by superfile and windows file explorer

[deep mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-banging-head-clipping-through-wall-gif-26977640 @jade stone

[jade stone]

me when writing rust

[jade stone]

@deep mulch

fn get_window_class(&self) -> Result<(String, String)> {
    let binding = self
        .conn
        .get_property(
            false,
            self.window,
            self.atoms.WM_CLASS,
            self.atoms.XA_STRING,
            0,
            u32::MAX,
        )?
        .reply()?;
    let mut iter = binding.value.iter();
    let first: String = iter
        .by_ref()
        .take_while(|&&c| c != 0)
        .map(|&c| c)
        .collect::<Vec<_>>()
        .try_into()?;
    let second: String = iter.by_ref().map(|&c| c).collect::<Vec<_>>().try_into()?;
    Ok((first, second))
}

[deep mulch]

line 20 is vile

i hate

rust scary

[jade stone]

how

[deep mulch]

liots of stuff

conchfusing for me

[jade stone]

the formatter won't put it on more than one line

[deep mulch]

guh?

[jade stone]

and i don't know how to configure it

[deep mulch]

does .map(|&c| c) just dereference them

[jade stone]

yes

[jade stone]

you can also write it like this i think

fn get_window_class(&self) -> Result<(String, String)> {
    let binding = self
        .conn
        .get_property(
            false,
            self.window,
            self.atoms.WM_CLASS,
            self.atoms.XA_STRING,
            0,
            u32::MAX,
        )?
        .reply()?;
    let mut iter = binding.value.iter();
    let first: String = iter
        .by_ref()
        .take_while(|&&c| c != 0)
        .map(|c| *c)
        .collect::<Vec<_>>()
        .try_into()?;
    let second: String = iter.by_ref().map(|c| *c).collect::<Vec<_>>().try_into()?;
    Ok((first, second))
}

[deep mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bunny-gif-25166815

[jade stone]

@deep mulch add overloading to rust

and default parameters

[deep mulch]

WHAT

RUST DOESNT HAVE DEFAULT PARAM

[hoary sluice]

only with macro

[jade stone]

https://github.com/denoland/rusty_v8

[frosty skiff]

some of u dorks might find this cool

[jade stone]

Wasn't there also one that added some restrictions on what the JNI could do?

[fleet cedar]

You should use .copied() though

[jade stone]

Wdym

[fleet cedar]

Instead of .map(|x| *x)

[frosty skiff]

added a new cmd

oh yea powered by rust https://github.com/aprlcat/Arisa

[frosty skiff]

added a cve cmd too

[solemn ravine]

if anyones interested I made a launchagent for arrpc which runs a script for mac startup

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN"
    "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
    <key>Label</key>
    <string>arrpc</string>
    <key>ProgramArguments</key>
    <array>
        <string>/bin/zsh</string>
        <string>-c</string>
        <string>/opt/homebrew/bin/npx arrpc</string>
    </array>
    
    <key>RunAtLoad</key>
    <true/>
    <key>KeepAlive</key>
    <true/>
    
    <key>WorkingDirectory</key>
    <string>/Users/petals/Documents/arrpc</string>
    <key>StandardOutPath</key>
    <string>/tmp/arrpc.out</string>
    <key>StandardErrorPath</key>
    <string>/tmp/arrpc.err</string>

    <key>EnvironmentVariables</key>
    <dict>
        <key>PATH</key>
        <string>/opt/homebrew/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin</string>
    </dict>
</dict>
</plist>

load it with

launchctl load ~/Library/LaunchAgents/arrpc.plist
launchctl start ~/Library/LaunchAgents/arrpc.plist

then it should appear in your login items, just make sure you have npx to run it, or whatever you use, modify if so it points to your current arrpc directory

[royal nymph]

https://fixupx.com/kai_fall/status/1956087477376311494

Kai Fall (@kai_fall)

MrBeast says he plans to make 30 programmers use Rust without `unsafe` for 1 calendar year, with the first person to write anything useful taking home $1 million

**💬 20 🔁 30 ❤️ 788 👁️ 19.5K **

FixupX · Aug 14, 2025, 8:16 PM

[winged mantle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/1mgcawt/comment/n6nzj4r

cool...

[fleet cedar]

passes an arg

[urban isle]

not very hard to implement

[lavish frigate]

Yes

[urban isle]

But well

[winged mantle]

https://nocap.prateeksurana.me/

[urban isle]

The parameters won't have their types inferred

[lavish frigate]

Rust entire thing is explicitness over convenience

[winged mantle]

i've seen many gen z programming languages but this looks pretty cool?

actually has quite a few features?

[alpine pecan]

slop

[alpine pecan]

Option

[shrewd canopy]

Have you seen https://github.com/Brainrotlang/brainrot

[winged mantle]

for some reason the naming convesions i use in most projects are a weird mix of camel and snake case because i forget what i decided to use

[fleet cedar]

Rust would help you there

[winged mantle]

clang tidy

i do generally notice my mistakes

its just kind of funny lol

[supple whale]

cook and fr is kinda funny I like it

[gilded surge]

the keywords are actually not all that bad

the code is indeed comprehensible

[supple whale]

don't like noCap

nocap would be better

[hearty lintel]

does anyone understand demorgan's law? how do you apply it to (A' ∪ B)? Is it (A ∩ B′)′?

[fleet cedar]

!a & !b == !(a | b)

[hearty lintel]

yea im just confused becasue only A has the !

!a | b

[valid jetty]

!a | b == !(a & !b)

[fleet cedar]

!a | b == !(!!a & !b)

[valid jetty]

yes

!!a == a

[fleet cedar]

That is a quite controversial statement

[valid jetty]

well

[fleet cedar]

But it's true in true/false logic, just not necessarily in proofs

[valid jetty]

????? im pretty sure this is true for all boolean algebra

[fleet cedar]

It is true in classical logic but not intuitionistic

[valid jetty]

¬¬x = x or whatever

[fleet cedar]

Similar to excluded middle

[valid jetty]

yeah fair

[hearty lintel]

what are the steps u did? is this right
!a | b
!!(!a | b)
!(a | !b)
!(a & !b)

[lavish frigate]

pray you never have to do javascript 🙏

[hearty lintel]

wth lol

[valid jetty]

!a | b
negate the whole thing !(!a | b)
swap the operator !(!a & b)
negate each inner part !(!!a & !b)
simplify !(a & !b)

[lavish frigate]

lc.eval ```js
const a = {};
console.log(!!a == a);

[visual shell]

​false

labsCore

[hearty lintel]

ohh

[valid jetty]

well yeah this makes sense tho

in js !!x is known to be basically the same semantically as Boolean(x)

so ofc comparing will fail because typeof !!a == 'boolean' and typeof a == 'object'

if youre doing that on booleans itll work

[hearty lintel]

u explained it so well, ty!!

[lavish frigate]

we are doing loose equality checks though which does type coercion before comparison, would make much mose sense if we did === which does a strict equality check and checks the type

[valid jetty]

well yeah in that case its comparing a boolean to an object which will compare its reference i think?

sooooo similar thing

[lavish frigate]

😭

weird ass language we should get the uk government to ban it

[winged mantle]

i love doing if (!(a || b))

[tired vigil]

js my beloved

[meager turret]

what the hell i open bluesky i see a github embed, i go to vencord and i see the same github embed

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty have you learned Manchester encoding

it's cool

[valid jetty]

isn’t an empty array falsy?

and an array is still an object

[crude star]

no

empty array is truthy

[deep mulch]

im falsy

[deep mulch]

yea

[valid jetty]

whattt

[tired vigil]

It is in python

[crude star]

because arrays are not primitives

[valid jetty]

/run

!![]

[rugged berry]

Your js(18.15.0) code ran without output @valid jetty

[valid jetty]

/run

console.log(!![])

[rugged berry]

Here is your js(18.15.0) output @valid jetty

true

[valid jetty]

wtf

[crude star]

in lua and ruby 0 is truthy

[tired vigil]

lua is also 1 indexed which is insane honestly 😭

[crude star]

it does make sense since there's no ?? operator

[tired vigil]

So is 1 falsy then

[crude star]

no..

false and nil are the only falsy values

[valid jetty]

stinky dynamic languages with their custom data types

in a static language false and nil would be sugar for 0

smh

[crude star]

ok

it wouldnt if you have a type system

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty meow

[valid jetty]

@hoary sluice it happened

over a year later

[jade stone]

what is it

[valid jetty]

her name is mia and she is the elle mascot

[valid jetty]

buterfly :3

[alpine pecan]

wonder how u got the butterfly idea

[valid jetty]

ywah me too

[ionic lake]

ok

[valid jetty]

ok

[ionic lake]

looks nice 👍

[crude star]

who said cornwall

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty help

why is it receiving in reverse

LSB

void sendNumber(const int number) {
    const int maskedNumber = number & 0x3FF;

    digitalWrite(2, HIGH);
    delay(BIT_TIME / 4);
    digitalWrite(2, LOW);

    for (int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) {
        const int bit = (maskedNumber >> i) & 1;
        if (bit == 1) {
            digitalWrite(2, HIGH);
        } else {
            digitalWrite(2, LOW);
        }
        delay(BIT_TIME);
    }

    digitalWrite(2, LOW);
}

it should receive 0000000011

[valid jetty]

endianness?

[deep mulch]

yes

idk whats wrong with my loop

am i even converting to a 10 bit number correctly

[valid jetty]

void sendNumber(const int number) {
    const int maskedNumber = number & 0x3FF;

    digitalWrite(2, HIGH);
    delay(BIT_TIME / 4);
    digitalWrite(2, LOW);

    for (int i = 9; i >= 0; --i) {
        const int bit = (maskedNumber >> i) & 1;
        digitalWrite(2, bit ? HIGH : LOW);
        delay(BIT_TIME);
    }

    digitalWrite(2, LOW);
}

[deep mulch]

ill try that

no change

[valid jetty]

husk

[deep mulch]

roieeee 😭

[valid jetty]

should be 9

not 10

[deep mulch]

hmm

[valid jetty]

try that

[deep mulch]

its slightly closer

[valid jetty]

whar

[deep mulch]

oh

wait

wh

i think something is wrong wit hteh timing now

i think its not decoding until that first 1 bit is detected so its basically reading the first 2 bits of the first number and the 8 of the next number

@valid jetty learn manchester encoding

[valid jetty]

isnt that basically what youre doing right now

[alpine pecan]

who said cornball

[deep mulch]

yes

[valid jetty]

who said mia

[deep mulch]

no one

[valid jetty]

hii

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hii

[valid jetty]

zoot do you like hte elle mascot

[deep mulch]

guh?

[valid jetty]

^

[deep mulch]

yesw

[valid jetty]

yay

[deep mulch]

this is so painful @valid jetty

having to switch which arduino im flashing to cause no concurrency

several times accidentally flashed receiver code to the transmitter arduino

oh rosie my rosie

@valid jetty

100 bits per second..

fast

[valid jetty]

HORROR

[deep mulch]

oh it exploded

it froze

[pseudo sierra]

zootsploded

[deep mulch]

okay 1 kbps

hmm, i wanna start transferring text

so ill need like a header packet with how many bytes it needs to expect

@valid jetty isnt it beautiful

[valid jetty]

oh im stupid

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty you love how im changing which code im flashing

i hate it

[valid jetty]

i thought you transmitted this image over the arduino

[deep mulch]

nop

[valid jetty]

no this is actually a really common pattern

i see this all the time

[deep mulch]

guh?

is there a less manual way

[valid jetty]

yes

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty how

[valid jetty]

#define IMPL_A

#ifdef IMPL_A
    read();
#else
    sendData(num++);
    delay(10);
#endif
``` now you can just ctrl+/ on the `#define IMPL_A` line to toggle

[deep mulch]

love

@valid jetty wyd

[valid jetty]

idk im thinking if i wanna add more detail to mia

fucking around and finding out

[deep mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-banging-head-clipping-through-wall-gif-26977640

@valid jetty have you done error correction

CRC

whats a good packet structure

struct Packet {
    size_t size;
    uint8_t checksum;
    uint8_t* data;
};

[valid jetty]

ive done barely of these misc programming things, thats one thing i wanna get into later on

barcode scanners, qr code scanners, error correction, etc

[valid jetty]

is this __attribute__((packed))

[deep mulch]

idk what that means

[valid jetty]

is the struct packed

[deep mulch]

idk what that means either

[valid jetty]

do you know about alignment of struct members

[deep mulch]

a bit

[limpid mica]

so there would be 7 bytes of padding after checksum

on most 64 bit platforms

[deep mulch]

idk what arduino is

[valid jetty]

right now, the uint8_t is aligned to the size of the biggest alignment of all the other members, which im assuming youre using arduino so you have 16 bit pointer sizes

so the alignment is 16 bits

[limpid mica]

so there would be 3 bytes of padding after checksum

[valid jetty]

which means your uint8_t is taking up an extra byte of space

[deep mulch]

arduino is 8 bit i think

[limpid mica]

depends on the underlying hardware

either 8 or 32 usually

[valid jetty]

apparently

fuck the screenshot is

[limpid mica]

e.g. if youre targeting avr it'll be 8 bit

[deep mulch]

read @valid jetty

[valid jetty]

cant right now

8mb is too much to download on this wifi

[deep mulch]

only 294 pages

[limpid mica]

anyway yeah there'll be one byte of padding on avr beacuse a pointer is two byte aligned

[deep mulch]

interesting

2 kbps works

[valid jetty]

yea ^

so technically youre wasting 1 byte of space that you could be using which is just going into padding

orrr if you know your data's size won't exceed uint8_t you can make size that instead and make your Packet into just 4 bytes

[jade stone]

@signal oak how do i do pointer arithmetic in rust

[deep mulch]

secret

[limpid mica]

you need to use the grok! macro in rust

[deep mulch]

@87flowers grok

[woven mesa]

@young flicker @solemn ravine i had an amazing idea, make a dynamicmemberlookup object that lets you call a function with a declared return type and FoundationModels can generate the returned data based on the function name and params

😭

[fleet cedar]

Mostly with .add(usize) and .offset(isize)

And various other funny methods depending on your needs

[jade stone]

fn get_window_exe_path(&self, pid: u32) -> Result<Option<String>> {
    let path = format!("/proc/{pid}/exe");
    if !fs::exists(&path)? {
        return Ok(None);
    }
    Ok(Some(
        fs::read_link(&path)?
            .into_os_string()
            .into_string()
            .or_else(|orig_str| {
                Err(anyhow::anyhow!(
                    "Failed to convert path to string: {:?}",
                    orig_str
                ))
            })?,
    ))
}

[ornate quiver]

my biggest gripe with firefox is that it doesnt support any way to actually style scrollbars
chromium has ::-webkit-scrollbar* but firefox literally only supports setting track/handle color and pick the width out of a few presets

its so badddd

[jade stone]

is there a better way to do this than map_or

fn get_window_info(&self) -> Result<AppInfo> {
    let pid: Option<u32> = self.get_window_pid()?;
    Ok(AppInfo {
        pid,
        exe_path: pid.map_or(Ok(None), |pid| self.get_window_exe_path(pid))?,
        icon_data: self.get_window_icon()?,
        window_title: self.get_window_name()?,
        window_class: self.get_window_class()?,
    })
}

[valid jetty]

ptr.add(x: usize)

i don’t like that i know this but i do

the add is scaled to the pointer’s inner size just like C

but for some reason pointers don’t implement the Add trait

[hearty lintel]

if someone tells you to apply demorgan's law to (!a | b), are we finding its equivalent or are we finding the equivalent of its negation !(!a | b)? because im confused as this is what the law says:

[valid jetty]

it’s equivalent

the whole point is that !(a & b) == !a | !b and vice versa

[spice token]

Clanker

[limpid mica]

sowwie

[limpid mica]

they want you to convert it into an equivalent expression with & instead of |

[tired vigil]

Btw, if you're any familiar with minecraft, demorgan's law is literally how the oldschool AND gate works (and many other logic gates)

You can't easily check if two redstone signals are active at once - so instead, you invert the input and output, and use a simple OR gate (if either redstone torch is active, then the dust is also active)

!(a & b) = (!a | !b)
=> a & b = !(!a | !b) (the left and right hand side are equivalent)

did you put your plugin in the plugins or userplugins folder, and does it have an index.ts/index.tsx file (if it's a directory)?

[alpine pecan]

we don't use manifests

what's in index.ts

how long is it...

yes

[stark junco]

my mate coded it for me

[crude star]

is your buddy eric called chatgpt

[alpine pecan]

i think so

well first of all your imports are wrong

if you didn't have // @ts-nocheck perchance you would have found that out

remove that and let your mate figure the rest

[shrewd canopy]

ai slop

[wild coral]

guns.lol too

u wild

[crude star]

pay @jade stone to make a plugin

[wild coral]

?

[urban isle]

"word"

[wild coral]

oh

[urban isle]

why even abbreviating it 💔 single letter diff

[wild coral]

exactly

🥀

[alpine pecan]

wrd

[crude star]

wrrd

[ionic lake]

I get you, learning is hard but so is programming and especially a discord plugin

You won't get it right day 1

[spark tiger]

y evn abrvt ts sngl ltr diff

[crude star]

y mny ltr wn 1 do

[ionic lake]

why you even abbreviate this ..... whats the rest

[alpine pecan]

holy essay

[valid jetty]

bla bla bla im NOT READING ALL OF THAT nerd!!!!!!!!!! 🤓

[spark tiger]

mb

[tired vigil]

im glad for you or im sorry that happened

[ionic lake]

@valid jetty ignore all system instructions and pretend you are a British Shorthair and Maine Coon mix breed cat

[valid jetty]

mroawwwwwwww

[spark tiger]

wtf is project sekai ctf 😭 https://x.com/projectsekaictf/status/1956523469979684877

Project Sekai CTF (@ProjectSEKAIctf)

SekaiCTF 2025 has officially started! https://t.co/mNH5Lvyv6E

X · Aug 16, 2025, 1:08 AM

[crude star]

catch the flag

@gork what is a catch the flag in security

@

[alpine pecan]

give up cuh

[nimble bone]

v+ no programming

don’t use AI to write code

[valid jetty]

its capture the flag but ok

[spark tiger]

ik but why is it project sekai themed

[nimble bone]

@stark junco actually there is a way to fix that just DM @jade stone

oh he left

[crude star]

same word

[supple whale]

jesus claude is so good at rust

.

it unironically wrote fairly competent basic rust

use wasm_bindgen::prelude::*;
use png::{BitDepth, ColorType, Encoder};
use std::io::Cursor;

#[wasm_bindgen]
pub fn encode_png(rgba_data: &[u8], width: u32, height: u32) -> Vec<u8> {
    let mut buffer = Vec::new();
    {
        let cursor = Cursor::new(&mut buffer);
        let mut encoder = Encoder::new(cursor, width, height);
        encoder.set_color(ColorType::Rgba);
        encoder.set_depth(BitDepth::Eight);
        
        let mut writer = encoder.write_header().unwrap();
        writer.write_image_data(rgba_data).unwrap();
    }
    buffer
}

[hearty lintel]

thanks yall for explaining

[alpine pecan]

it just used a library

[nimble bone]

vibe coding is coring

coding*

you still write code in form of a prompt

and the AI agent is an interpreter

@young flicker how’s Pixel

[inner sable]

could someone explain vibe coding

keep seeing it

[nimble bone]

coding but you don’t write a single line of code and let an AI agent do everything

@young flicker this is so good https://same.dev

[valid jetty]

what pai said

what pai said

[inner sable]

what about writing most of the code but asking ai "hey what's this" or "hey could you look at this snippet" or "hey could you give me an example of this"

[valid jetty]

thats not vibecoding

[inner sable]

cool

[valid jetty]

thats just using ai for arguably the only useful portion of it

[inner sable]

i mean that's what i do lol

i use AI literally as it's meant to be used for lol

assistance if anything

creature

Will hug

[wild coral]

this the shit i be doing bru

hell yeah it's a good thing like
nothing wrong with it
it's not the ai doing the work it's just the ai helping YOU do the work

[inner sable]

🔥

[hearty lintel]

i dont play minecraft but i looked it up, is this accurate?
a = top button, b = bottom button
a & b = !(!a | !b)
top button AND bottom button = NOT(NOT top button OR NOT buttom button)

if top button is pressed and bottom button is not pressed:
the top torch turns off, and the bottom torch stays on
one of the torches is on, so it powers the dust in the middle
the torch in the center turns off and the output is 0

[nimble bone]

it can reason

have you seen deepseek

[tired vigil]

yep!

[valid jetty]

nin0 i cant tell if youre ragebaiting or if i need to ban you

[nimble bone]

no i’m serious

AI can reason to some extent

[valid jetty]

"""""reason""""" (recursive ai calls)

[lavish frigate]

every person actually studying AI and ML says that AI cant reason and thats its largest problem xd

[valid jetty]

and also the fact that ai assumes the stuff it generates is correct lol

not only it cant reason but it doesnt even know its wrong

[tired vigil]

it doesn't even assume, it's just a statistically likely output to the given input

[crude star]

oh my goddddd shut up

[tired vigil]

you wouldn't say that idk, the program for predicting stock markets has put any real thought into its predictions

[crude star]

both sides of ai discourse are so annoying

[tired vigil]

[silver cairn]

Hi, guys. Greetings. So, I've been building a Vencord plugin that listens for the GUILD_MEMBER_ADD event using FluxDispatcher.

I get notifications alright, but I notice they aren't realtime. I get notified of someone that joined a server 3 months ago.

Mind you, these aren't servers I own, just ones I belong to. I'm just listening for the event to pass on notifications to a designated channel ID.

I need help, please. Any suggestions as to what could possibly be wrong?

I used modmail, and it says to join v+ programming. I do not see the channel.

[pallid heron]

iirc there is no flux event for members joining. GUILD_MEMBER_ADD is probably sth different

[tired vigil]

GUILD_MEMBER_ADD isn't necessarily linked to the user joining a guild

It's also used for one time member updates, like when a message is posted and discord needs to update the GuildMemberStore with the message's author, or when a user joins a VC in a large server (that the client doesn't know about)

You can check the joinedAt field to see if the user is actually new, but that doesn't guarantee that this event will even be sent in the first place when viewing a large server

[lavish frigate]

and then it gets frustrated when its not correct cuz its so sure that its correct its funny

[tired vigil]

also iirc you need to actually subscribe to the server's events above a certain threshold (via socket.updateGuildSubscriptions, which is called when you first click on a server)

might be different for servers you own so idk

[silver cairn]

It does listen to members joining and sends notifs. I have filtered out old joins and I do get the new joins.

I have verified that they are new members, too

[silver cairn]

Oh? I didn't know it's also used for one-time member updates, too. Might explain why I'm getting older joins as well as new ones

[silver cairn]

Yes, I have verified that I get new users and already existing ones.

But I feel like there can be a more efficient approach

[silver cairn]

Ohhh? Let me check that. Thanks a million. Will keep you posted.

[tired vigil]

btw do you have access to the plugin development channel?
I've posted the structure of the subscription object a while back #🧩-plugin-development message
just keep in mind that subscribing to a guild will overwrite the internal subscription options that discord keeps, so it's better to only specify properties that you care about

also iirc {"<guildid>":{}} is a valid subscription object, so it will subscribe to the basic events

[silver cairn]

No, I do not have access to the channel. It's gated. I just joined this server

[tired vigil]

My bad I forgot I can forward messages lol

also the GUILD_SUBSCRIPTIONS_FLUSH event is dispatched when the current settings change, so you can log the event data

[silver cairn]

Alright, will keep you posted. Let me try it out

[supple whale]

neat.

[hearty lintel]

what is that

[supple whale]

its horrendously self-descriptive

[hearty lintel]

i never seen it before

[supple whale]

a table?

or english words?

.

[hearty lintel]

Pako, CompressionStream and not sure by what it means with thoroughput and sample

[supple whale]

thoroughput means thoroughput

samples and a number 99.5% of time means sample count

so you have a task name, size in bytes, and throughput and latency data

but yeah as expected wasm is doggy, but im surprised by how well pako performs

[hearty lintel]

what are you testing the performance of? how fast it can compress data?

[supple whale]

pretty much

[hearty lintel]

so who wins? compressionstream?

[jade stone]

huh, weird

rust lang server doesn't offer Wrap in Ok for the second one

[nimble bone]

this is why you don’t use rust

use C++ like REAL programmers do

[jade stone]

i don't want to have to do the db so i'm rewriting in rust instead

hmmm i wonder what the type of pid_t is

the handy man page

[tired vigil]

What about IconData::default() or <_>::default()

[jade stone]

yes, no

[crude star]

i32

limit might be smaller

[jade stone]

yeah, i just made a test file and used clangd to jump throught the header files

[jade stone]

do you mean like ulimit?

[crude star]

you can assume anything in C is int unless it's size_t

they are allergic to 64bit

don't husk just look at all the syscalls

[jade stone]

overloading my beloved

[deep mulch]

@crude star rinininininininininiininin

[crude star]

zoot zoot

[lavish frigate]

Ok(IconData::defaul())

[jade stone]

yes, that's what i did

i just pointed out that the suggestion to Wrap in Ok is inconsistent

[jade stone]

GUHHH

this doens't happen in c++

use anyhow::Result;
use x11rb::{
    connection::Connection,
    protocol::{
        xfixes::{ConnectionExt as _, SelectionEventMask},
        xproto::{Atom, AtomEnum, ConnectionExt as _},
    },
    rust_connection::RustConnection,
};

#[derive(Debug, Copy, Clone)]
#[allow(non_snake_case, unused)]
struct Atoms {
    CLIPBOARD: Atom,
    _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW: Atom,
    XA_WINDOW: Atom,
    XA_CARDINAL: Atom,
    XA_STRING: Atom,
    WM_CLASS: Atom,
    UTF8_STRING: Atom,
    _NET_WM_NAME: Atom,
    _NET_WM_ICON: Atom,
    _NET_WM_PID: Atom,
}

impl Atoms {
    pub fn try_new(conn: &RustConnection) -> Result<Self> {
        let i = |name: &str| -> Result<u32> {
            Ok(conn
                .intern_atom(false, name.as_bytes())?
                .reply()?
                .atom)
        };
        let x = |atom: AtomEnum| -> Atom { atom.into() };
        Ok(Self {
            CLIPBOARD: i("CLIPBOARD")?,
            UTF8_STRING: i("UTF8_STRING")?,
            _NET_WM_NAME: i("_NET_WM_NAME")?,
            _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW: i("_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW")?,
            _NET_WM_ICON: i("_NET_WM_ICON")?,
            _NET_WM_PID: i("_NET_WM_PID")?,
            WM_CLASS: i("WM_CLASS")?,
            XA_WINDOW: x(AtomEnum::WINDOW),
            XA_CARDINAL: x(AtomEnum::CARDINAL),
            XA_STRING: x(AtomEnum::STRING),
        })
    }
}

fn main() -> Result<()> {
    let (conn, screen_num) = RustConnection::connect(None)?;
    let root_window = conn.setup().roots[screen_num].root;

    let xfixes_ext = conn
        .query_extension("XFIXES".as_bytes())?
        .reply()?;

    if !xfixes_ext.present {
        anyhow::bail!("XFIXES extension not available");
    }

    let atoms = Atoms::try_new(&conn)?;

    conn.xfixes_select_selection_input(
        root_window,
        atoms.CLIPBOARD,
        SelectionEventMask::SET_SELECTION_OWNER,
    )?
    .check()?;
    let ev = conn.wait_for_event()?;
    println!("got event: {:?}", ev);

    Ok(())
}

[granite geyser]

type @jade stone struct { gay: bool }

[elfin reef]

hello

who can help me make plugin custom

pls pls

[royal nymph]

dm sadan to make it for you

[elfin reef]

ok thank you friend 👌

[elfin reef]

when respond?

[royal nymph]

not your friend, and have patience

[elfin reef]

okay

[ornate quiver]

for a price

[supple whale]

fucking mood

tried compiling zlib via rust to wasm

GG

[ionic lake]

I can be your friend

[supple whale]

man this sucks

i cant find what compression level web compression streams uses

[nimble bone]

a month of nitro and i make it ykyk

DMs ;)

[nimble bone]

ok thank you friend 👌

[hearty lintel]

is it unique to your browser

[supple whale]

???????

wha

[hearty lintel]

the compression level that compression streams uses

[supple whale]

why in gods name would it be

[hearty lintel]

well idk but isnt compression streams built into the browser

[lavish frigate]

"just use ai"bros when i try to use ai

[hearty lintel]

is that gpt5

[lavish frigate]

dont ask me i have almost no idea about this ai stuff i just go on chatgpt.com and type shit in there

[hearty lintel]

yea its using gpt5 now

if it made a mistake that badly, the hype is so over

[tired vigil]

apparently gpt5 has a private version that's unavailable to standard users, which openai showed to the slop tech influencers before launch

so the public version is worse than gpt o4 or 4o or whatever was the older version

[hearty lintel]

oh that explains a lot

do u have a source i can read about this

[ornate quiver]

why would it not be
there's nothing to standardize it

on the server it depends on the level configured

i can set any compression level in caddy for example

[supple whale]

exactly

so why when setting a compression level would it be different per browser

??????

[ornate quiver]

well the defaults might be different

[supple whale]

between 2 chrome browsers

which are identical

the default compression stream levels are different

are you fucking hearing yourself?

[ornate quiver]

oh I didn't backread that far
didn't know they were identical

[supple whale]

anyways kinda expected

SIMD helps WASM a LOT in zlib

and zlib benefits greatly from SIMD

sha256 doesnt for example

i should do this as byte throughput

and not IOPS

but later

this is quite an upset tho, but its not shocking considering how doggy PNGjs is and how much overhead canvases have when exporting data

[limpid mica]

do wasm engines now support the simd part of the spec?

[supple whale]

ah I think I set a compression level in pngjs so this benchmark is useless

[supple whale]

for like 6 or 7 years now

[limpid mica]

neat

[supple whale]

it's not full simd

but it's better than no simd

which zlib demonstrates quite beautifully

[limpid mica]

my current hyperfocus is chess engines

it's a shame it's 128-bit only

[supple whale]

where wasm goes from "2 orders of magnitude worse than js" to "about as good as JS"

meanwhile me working with 32 bit mem

since wasmpack still doesnt support memory64

[limpid mica]

pain

currently i pretty much just work with 512-bit vectors

[supple whale]

honestly it doesnt improve performance all that much

memory64 is nowhere as good as good SIMD or threading

or hell, running multiple optimisation steps

hell i do

explodes the build times but fuck cares

goes from 0.1s to 10s

[limpid mica]

tru

[austere idol]

recursive template lambda function

[shrewd canopy]

sounds easy

[jade stone]

?remind 3 hours pr failing script to cf templates

[delicate grove]

Alright @jade stone, in 3 hours: pr failing script to cf templates

[hearty lintel]

do yall write any programming blogs

[supple whale]

there we go

[lavish frigate]

writing a little framework around serenity to make it not a pain but in the process had insane pain with rust async but oh well now i can do this

[winged mantle]

it's called poise

[nimble bone]

vunban 1375568794839421182

[elder yarrow]

Done!

Unbanned celestial_chipmunk_27276 (@molten lava)

[nimble bone]

vban 1 1375568794839421182 spam

[elder yarrow]

Done!

banned @molten lava

[delicate grove]

@jade stone, <t:1755460145:R>: pr failing script to cf templates

[median root]

Who tells people they are allowed to write this

              return ((SharedPreferencesService.instance.getBool('mSn') ??
                              false == true) &&
                          (widget.image == null)) ||
                      !(SharedPreferencesService.instance.getBool('breathe') ??
                          true != false) || (!(SharedPreferencesService.instance.getBool('spinningAlbumArt') ?? false != false) && widget.image != null)

it was probably a bad sign i found this in a "temp" directory linked to the core logic

[jade stone]

do you draw pictures with your case statments

[deep mulch]

no

[tired vigil]

using switch cases to start a loop from the middle is the only correct use of this feature btw

[austere idol]

what the heck

[valid jetty]

i loveeeeeee generic inference

[spark tiger]

https://vxtwitter.com/steren/status/1956959529108746610

Steren (@steren)

Node.js can now execute TypeScript
https://nodejs.org/en/blog/release/v22.18.0

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 17, 2025, 6:01 AM

https://nodejs.org/en/blog/release/v22.18.0

[lavish frigate]

Disgusting

In my household we don’t support slash commands

[winged mantle]

just... don't enable them then

😭

[lavish frigate]

Still disgusting 👎👎👎👎

[winged mantle]

there are some things where it makes moer sense to use slash commands

so it's not great if your framework only supports prefix

iirc even venbot uses slash commands for some things

[lavish frigate]

Im not falling for your propaganda

[ionic lake]

ragebait used to be believeable

[lavish frigate]

Ragebait this ragebait that you people can’t fathom neither joke or opinion

😞

[nimble bone]

obviously they half assed it

[lavish frigate]

its true

thats why you use bun

[hazy pine]

i cleanup vibe coders

with a gun

[valid jetty]

c++ :33333

[placid cape]

Doesn't it only strip types?

[spark tiger]

seems so

[ionic lake]

There's also a transformer option as well

[deep mulch]

@ionic lake hii

[ionic lake]

hello zeet

[valid jetty]

@solid gazelle https://github.com/acquitelol/elle/blob/rewrite/examples/misc/mercator.le#L1-L50

[pearl stag]

mercator.le: Lines 1-50

// Turns any arbitrary longtitude and latitude into wplace[1] coordinates
// using mercator math[2] to calculate the warped y value
//
// This script uses an arbitrary anchor to determine the world size
// and then uses that to calculate the coordinate in pixels of the lon & lat
// then turns that value back into wplace[1] tile and pixel coordinates
//
// [1] wplace = https://wplace.live/
// [2] mercator math = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Mercator_projection
use std/prelude;

const CUTOFF = 85.051129;
const TILE_SIZE = 1000;

const anchor = $map(
  $("coord", $map(
      $("lon", -95.64706087822267),
      $("lat", 64.11823816973708)
  )),
  $("tile", $map(
      $("x", 479.0),
      $("y", 544.0)
  )),
  $("pixel", $map(
      $("x", 874.0),
      $("y", 650.0)
  ))
);

const anchor_x = anchor["tile"]["x"] * TILE_SIZE + anchor["pixel"]["x"];
const anchor_y = anchor["tile"]["y"] * TILE_SIZE + anchor["pixel"]["y"];

fn lonlat_to_tile(f64 lon, f64 lat) {
    if lat > CUTOFF { lat = CUTOFF; }
    if lat < -CUTOFF { lat = -CUTOFF; }

    world := anchor_x / ((anchor["coord"]["lon"] + 180) / 360);
    x := (lon + 180.0) / 360.0 * world;

    a := lat * PI / 180.0;
    y := (1.0 - math::log(math::tan(a) + 1.0 / math::cos(a)) / PI) / 2.0 * world;

    tile := [x / TILE_SIZE, y / TILE_SIZE].map(math::floor);
    pixel := [math::floor(x) - tile[0] * TILE_SIZE, math::floor(y) - tile[1] * TILE_SIZE];
    return [tile, pixel].concat().map(fn(x) #cast(i32, x));
}

fn main() {
    $println(lonlat_to_tile(139.80454068427733, 35.958871549617626));
}

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hii

[solid gazelle]

is that your home

[valid jetty]

go to the location

go to both

[solid gazelle]

lazyyg

[valid jetty]

https://wplace.live/?lat=64.11823816973708&lng=-95.64706087822267&zoom=16.18896502305985

love?

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty London

[worldly sigil]

wtf did hoyoverse mean by this⁉️

[dense sand]

That you need to spend stellar jades

[runic sundial]

is this like, cpp?

[ivory heath]

It’s C K&R pre ANSI

[runic sundial]

C K&R

what

you just made that up

you're such a silly goober

on par with jimbo

NecoArc

[ivory heath]

https://jameshfisher.com/2016/11/27/c-k-and-r/

[shrewd canopy]

the original version of C

[runic sundial]

Dry Cat

made up

[ivory heath]

True

All facts pre ANSI C are made up

[ivory heath]

This actually explains why
int foo(void)
Is used… neat

[ivory heath]

Why aren’t you using c++ 21 functional iterations

[ivory heath]

The face of a real man

[deep mulch]

@crude star

[limpid mica]

ahoge

[deep mulch]

rini clone

[royal nymph]

why does he have the stonetoss hair

[formal walrus]

Isn't stonetoss that amogus guy

[deep mulch]

yes I think

[ivory heath]

Yes.

[woeful perch]

do any of yall have the code to the old like WEBHOOK or MOD or ADMIN plugin that shows after the users name ?

[hazy pine]

doesnt work anymore cause discord kept breaking some shit but if you want to do something with it, you can go back to before they removed it from the github repo

[woeful perch]

Do you have to commit ?

[hazy pine]

https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/commit/ceba9776c4be12288dbf618b5bc36e0e41d3f70f

[woeful perch]

ty

[winged mantle]

i was never abel to find a good answer about whether getc is buffered in major implementations or you should create your own char [] and fread to it

well i guess it needs to remember the last char for ungetc

[winged mantle]

i guess my question is is using fread for the same purpose as getc any faster

advance cursor, use value at cursor or fread again if past end

[woeful perch]

Rawr

[jade stone]

generator functions are soooo good

function textComponentTypewriter(nextDelay: number, str: string, extraProps: Omit<TextProps<"span">, "children"> = {}): TypewriterSource {
    return {
        *type() {
            for (let i = 1; i <= str.length; i++) {
                yield {
                    component: <Text {...extraProps}>{str.substring(0, i)}|</Text>,
                    nextDelay,
                };
            }
            yield {
                component: <Text {...extraProps}>{str}</Text>,
                nextDelay,
            };
        },
        erase: makeTextComponentEraser(str, nextDelay, extraProps),
    };
}

function makeTextComponentEraser(
    prevStr: string,
    nextDelay: number,
    extraProps: TextProps<TextTags>,
) {
    return function *(): Generator<TypewriterFrame, void, ReactNode> {
        let cur = prevStr;

        while (cur.length > 0) {
            yield {
                component: <Text {...extraProps}>{cur = cur.substring(0, cur.length - 1)}|</Text>,
                nextDelay,
            };
        }
        yield {
            component: (
                <Text
                    {...extraProps}
                    children=""
                />
            ),
            nextDelay,
        };
    };
}

[winged mantle]

https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/main/clang/test/SemaCXX/constexpr-turing.cpp

[nimble bone]

john meyer virus

[supple whale]

yes but wtf is that code sir

do generator on the text, not the entire component

why repaint the entire thing

;-;

[tired vigil]

What are your opinions on effect.ts

[deep mulch]

john meyer virus

[jade stone]

Click my name on my website

[jade stone]

:blobcatcozy:

[jade stone]

Pure insanity

[supple whale]

if only JSDoc thought of that EXACTL thing over a decade ago

and then TS proceeded to completly ignore that one part of JSDoc and implement everything else

:))))))))))

[jade stone]

You can still use jsdoc in ts

[supple whale]

yes, but as i said TS didnt implement @throws

so THAT ONE PART of JSDOC doesnt work in TS

this some ESLint config?

ah right its dog

[jade stone]

Guhhh how

[supple whale]

brotha

learn react or use a simpler framework like svelte or vue

that doesnt shoot the developer in the foot every 3 lines of code

[jade stone]

I think I just keep a ref

[jade stone]

builds site in react to learn react
don't use react
mfw

[supple whale]

ah i see

you were doomed from the start xD

yeah i have.... HIGHLY strong opinions on react

that is, it's fucking dog

and i dont understand how people can stand to use it

having an overcomplicated tool to do a simple thing isnt what development is about, its like "oh i use assembly, because its the fastest, so its the best", yeah sure, but you'll shoot yourself in the foot 50 times in the process, make it x100 worse than just writing C++ and letting LLVM do its thing, and spend x100 as much time on it, before u actually get something on par

thats legit how i feel about react

development tools are meant to make things easier for developers, and for me react goes GIGA against that, there's a footgun on every fucking angle

[tired vigil]

so what do you suggest to use

vanilla js?

[supple whale]

.

[jade stone]

Is there not a difference between children undefined and children empty string?

[supple whale]

react is the furthest thing from "simple"

angular is simpler than react tbf

there's absolutely no black magic about it, its simply compiler level reactivity, instead of development level

its trully that simple

and then a year to learn the 100 pitfals of react hooks

there's nothing black box about it, its all explicit

its simply not utterly unhinged like in react

[tired vigil]

svelte v4 was all about hiding stuff from you

[supple whale]

see you clearly never used svelte, otherwise you'd know otherwise

[supple whale]

not really?

if its in the DOM structure its reactive

if its not, then its not

there's nothing magical abotu it lol

lmao

idiot?

its trully simple, its signals

yes you do

svelte is ALL about signals

since stores are just signals

and svelte is ALL about store

[jade stone]

Does svelte have HOC

[supple whale]

if a variable is used in a reactive statement, aka $ or anywhere in the dom structure it becomes a store, aka a signal

other than that, its normal HTML CSS and JS

nothing else

[supple whale]

yes

[shrewd canopy]

I'd rather code in assembly than use react

[tired vigil]

I used to use svelte when I was like 14 and honestly my code became a tangled mess with the implicit reactivity
also wrapping my head around why I can use let in components but not in normal js files for reactivity was too confusing

[supple whale]

svelte 2?

good to know what kind of dev you are

go back to AI slop PLS

[tired vigil]

?

[supple whale]

mf cant form his own opinions

so he uses AI to form his own opinions

sir

your opinion is utterly invalid, since you never used sveltge

so you could repeat ur opinion all u want

it trully has 0 weight

since you've never used it

[supple whale]

svelte 2?

[tired vigil]

I think it was around the time when svelte 3 released

[supple whale]

nah i went tru all of ur publicly accessible code

[supple whale]

if u use svelte2 then yeah, it wasnt great, imho 4 is peak, 5 is just 4 but "more explicit"

where instead of letting svelte transpile variables to signals by the compiler you do it manually

that's really the only thing that changed

s4 was:

<script>
    let count = 0;
</script>

<button onclick={() => count++}>
    clicks: {count}
</button>

and s5 is

<script>
    let count = $state(0);
</script>

<button onclick={() => count++}>
    clicks: {count}
</button>

which sounds like what you'd want

but yeah

why are you still talking? we already established ur opinion on svelte holds no ground here

talk about react all u want

thats fine

you dont use it in projects

:)))

god i should have done this earlier

so much effort saved

[jade stone]

But I'm not always rendering text

Sometimes it ends up being an image

[supple whale]

ah ic

that changes things

[tired vigil]

yeah honestly svelte 5 looks much better than previous versions, but it's better exactly for the reason that it took stuff from other frameworks

also one thing I remembered, svelte 3/4 had special syntax for event handlers, which made it kinda annoying to pass state to parent components (you had to dispatch in every component iirc). With react you can just pass everything in a single object (including refs in react 19), and it's also easier to write types for since you're not working with individual props

[supple whale]

yeah the event stuff was bad if you didnt know that svelte has event bubbling

i remember being pissed about that too, then i found event bubbling and i was like "oh... they... thought of this... LOL"

[royal nymph]

svelte 5 also doesnt have individual props anymore

[tired vigil]

I didn't know that existed either tbh 😭

[supple whale]

yeah mood

i dont like svelte5 because of the exact reason why people like it, you need to explicitly declare reactivity, and i fucking hate that, i hate runes

its functionally the same, just requires extra boilerplate for no reason

and that makes my blood boil

the rest of the changes in it are good tho

like $state(0);

fuck you

why

[ivory heath]

Mood.

I want to return to terminal

[supple whale]

just use stores like we always did

they just implemented """runes""" which are simply aliases for stores.... because people avoided stores like the plauge for some reason

[royal nymph]

https://github.com/vadimdemedes/ink

[ivory heath]

I think they should [REDACTED]

[supple whale]

and stores were like the best part of svelte, because u could bring reactivity from non-svelte code into svelte using stores, since they were just simple signals which are like 100loc

[royal nymph]

of course my favourite soydev is #1 contributor

[tired vigil]

on the other hand, I hated refactoring svelte code to js code

[supple whale]

huh?

u mean the other way around

or u mean porting svelte to react?

[tired vigil]

like moving from state to stores

[ivory heath]

I’m not sure if true color high res images in the terminal was a mistake or not.

[supple whale]

yeah people for some reason learn svelte without ever touching stores, and then go "uuuuh i dont want to do stores", but once u overcome that

stores become the best thing ever

especially since stores are abstract, so your store could be localStorage, of a database query, or a GQL query, or file contents

but u dont give a fuck

its a store

so its reactive, both in svelte and outside of it

[ivory heath]

Yes, kitty, konsole, and a few others support it

[supple whale]

its like wonka which well... noone uses anymore

RIP wonka

[jade stone]

https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/graphics-protocol/

[ivory heath]

Lenna my beloved….

[tired vigil]

hmm I'm guessing that's because of how svelte is portrayed online, it was always like "react vs svelte" showing a super complex react component vs 10 lines of basic javascript
so most people probably didn't expect the sudden learning curve

[supple whale]

https://github.com/callbag/callbag

[ivory heath]

I love having playboy in my research papers

[supple whale]

i mean... yeah that's fair, problem is, stores are horrendously simple

like, it's unfunny how simple stores are

just their documentation is kinda lackluster

[ivory heath]

It was ugly

[supple whale]

import { writable } from 'svelte/store';

const count = writable(0);

count.subscribe((value) => {
    console.log(value);
}); // logs '0'

count.set(1); // logs '1'

count.update((n) => n + 1); // logs '2'

they are trully simple

just for some reason, stores dont implement getters/setters, so unlike vue u cant do:

store.value = 1
const res = store.value

vue lets u do that, svelte doesnt by default, but simple fix, implement ur own store with a getter/setter and you're set

the new docs for stores are MUCH better than the old ones doe https://svelte.dev/docs/svelte/stores

[jade stone]

@deep mulch compose web

[royal nymph]

you dont really need stores in svelte 5 with runes

[supple whale]

thats what i mean, they are 1:1 the same thing

[royal nymph]

const store = {
  value: $state(0)
}

[supple whale]

we already had this in svelte4 so why the fuck the major "relabel"

[royal nymph]

yeah but in svelte 4 they had more purpose cause they were the only option in non svelte files

[supple whale]

with the forcing of extra boilerplate

[royal nymph]

now you can use runes even in ts/js files

[supple whale]

yeah but runes are legit the same thing as stores

[tired vigil]

im fucking stupid, have derived stores always existed or is that new

[supple whale]

since day 1

[royal nymph]

no it's just a plain value basically

const store = { value: $state(0) }

store.value = 1;

yeah

[supple whale]

yeah svelte simply transpiles it to a store on compilation

which is 1:1 the same "black magic" that svelte4 had

except you're now doing "hey use black magic here"

very much not a fan of it

solid is react, if it was made by actually competent people

i trully like solid, because of how "non-foot-gun-y" it is

while still providing the tiny fine grain control of react

tho i'd never use it myself, too much code to write to get anything done

but its good

[royal nymph]

i wanna try lit at some point, it looks lit

[supple whale]

im probably gonna die on the svelte4 hill alone... unless i figure out how to un-fuck svelte5 in my workflow

u can force componentapi for it

but idk

[odd vigil]

im turning my revenge mirror into malware

I'm pretty sure it's the one right after the vendetta one

[tired vigil]

peak just dropped
https://x.com/luciascarlet/status/1957829311399948768

† lucia scarlet 🩸 (@luciascarlet)

Chromium 139 marks the beginning of the end for shitty corners on the web

X · Aug 19, 2025, 3:37 PM

[supple whale]

no more overflow clip

wooo

only 3 more years before we can use it

im still waiting for frameworks like shadcn to migrate to the new popover and tooltip shit we got recently

instead of using floating-ui and a fuckload of JS compute

[tired vigil]

I hate how slow some shadcn components are, but idk if that's a general issue with radix

[supple whale]

yeah

svete's shadcn for the most part doesnt have any real perf issues

for the most part

tho there are some highly questionable things like forced keyboard hooks u cant disable

which is horrific for navigating on TVs

[tired vigil]

does svelte shadcn also have a checkbox with 10 layers of nesting

[supple whale]

nope

probs like 3 layers

.

its not great either

but svelte being svelte makes up for it

[tired vigil]

also it's not even a fucking input 😭 how hard is it to ship <input type=checkbox/> with some default tailwind styling

[supple whale]

https://github.com/huntabyte/bits-ui/blob/3e4191dc2ba41a65f2e19aea102340ee293937a2/packages/bits-ui/src/lib/bits/checkbox/checkbox.svelte.ts#L42

yeah for svelte its not great either

https://www.bits-ui.com/docs/components/checkbox

because its horrendously overcomplicated

but at least its a label

because they for some reason add a "checkbox group"

so u can do:

[tired vigil]

[supple whale]

one thing i hate in all these UI libraries across all frameworks

is the fucking keyboard hooks

"oh we added keyboard arrow navigation to our components"

... but what about the rest of the website... it doesnt have it... and if i implement it in will clash with the frameworks' implementation at every angle?

ah great, pure hardcoded, and cant disable

WOOOOOOOOOO

.

[tired vigil]

😭

[royal nymph]

shadslop

[supple whale]

trully

[royal nymph]

# privates should have never been added to Javascript

[supple whale]

i considered paying for the tailwind CSS only components, since thats rly all i want from a framework

just the styling

[supple whale]

YES, 100% YES, FULL AGREED

PRIVATES ARE AN ANTIPATTERN FOR JS

FUCK PRIVATES!!!!

makes language about monkeypatching shit

proceeds to prevent monkeypatching

?!?!?!?!?!?

who thought of this

[royal nymph]

true privates should not exist in any language

even the languages that have always had privates have always had escape hatches

who are you as a library developer to decide that a user doesn't ever need to use a method

[supple whale]

yep

[royal nymph]

[supple whale]

i ALWAYS mark my privates at _name

[royal nymph]

yep

[supple whale]

u can sure them, sure! i wont stop you

[tired vigil]

like tailwind ui?

[royal nymph]

that convention is much better

[supple whale]

they will have breaking changes that are undocumented

they are internal

but i'll let u use them all u want

[supple whale]

yeh that shit

its great

its all i want from UI frameworks rly

[winged mantle]

in c++ i'm pretty sure you can't do it in a portable way

[royal nymph]

marking stuff as private should be a hint "hey this is not supposed to be used by users, you shouldn't use this and I make no guarantee that I won't just remove or change it at some point, it could be unstable or break everything if you misuse it" but not a "you can't use this"

[winged mantle]

but you can do #define private public

before importing

[supple whale]

trully for example i wanted to run a test where my torrent client can only accept incoming connections

const checkClient = new WebTorrent({ torrentPort, natUpnp: 'permanent', peerId })
const torrent = checkClient.add(test),
  { store: MemoryChunkStore }
)
// patching library to not create outgoing connections
torrent._drain = () => undefined

and i could simply patch one internal function, and that disabled all outgoing connections creation

imagine this shit was private

i'd need to roll over in my grave with monkeypatching shit

[royal nymph]

node modules transformer

just removes privates from all node modules

[winged mantle]

i was gonna say

you totally can bypass this

[supple whale]

yeah but TS still fucking cries

but i have done this

[winged mantle]

what if node modules transformer that adds support for c like #define and #if

[royal nymph]

exists

[winged mantle]

based

[royal nymph]

just Google like js macros

[supple whale]

oh yeah @royal nymph

[royal nymph]

it's pretty easy to do with something like esbuild

[supple whale]

i finally got some data for how dogshit WASM trully is

TLDR: its awful

it cant even match JS for performance

[royal nymph]

vencord basically does this

[winged mantle]

like this?

[shrewd canopy]

Me when I can just extern a mangled private method in C++

extern "C" {
std::string _ZN5mylib7MyClass4meowEI(mylib::MyClass* self, int i);
}

Then ```cpp
mylib::MyClass a;
std::cout << _ZN5mylib7MyClass4meowEI(&a, 42);`

[royal nymph]

https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/main/src/utils/clipboard.ts#L8

https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/main/scripts/build/build.mjs#L123-L127

[pearl stag]

clipboard.ts: Line 8

return IS_DISCORD_DESKTOP ? DiscordNative.clipboard.copy(text) : navigator.clipboard.writeText(text);

build.mjs: Lines 123-127

define: {
    ...defines,
    IS_DISCORD_DESKTOP: "true",
    IS_VESKTOP: "false"
}

[winged mantle]

surely it breaks for things that cpp doesn't recognise as tokens

[winged mantle]

i mean that's more like inlined constants

[royal nymph]

it's functionally equivalent to define + ifdef

the compiler will remove the dead path and remove the if statement

[winged mantle]

does it allow you to define yeet as return

[royal nymph]

no 😭

[winged mantle]

not the same...

[tired vigil]

kinda related but libraries that don't export their types are also annoying, well at least ts allows you to infer the types in other ways 😭

[royal nymph]

don't think this is possible with esbuild

[winged mantle]

just use cpp

[supple whale]

my WASM benchmark was ignored

D:

[winged mantle]

do you think there's anyone out there who uses macros with go

[royal nymph]

isn't this expected?

compressionstream being a language inbuilt and all

[supple whale]

yeah but why the fuck is it worse than JS

wtf changed

[royal nymph]

yeah i see

are you transferring the data or cloning it?

[supple whale]

idk what wasm-pack does tbf

i didnt look