🪅-progaming

[lucid trail]

actually diabolical

you should probably put that in postinstall

need to run sveltekit sync to generate types

[pearl dawn]

pluh transcribe endpoint is on the other api i cba to log in to that rn

[balmy lintel]

wirklich richtig schlimm

really bad*

[pearl dawn]

a fix addressing this critical issue is out on gramo fone now

[valid jetty]

Iterator.from(['a', 'b', 'c']).reduce((acc, x, i) => acc + (i > 0 ? ', ' : '') + x, '');

no intermediate array

this is technically intersperse

[fleet cedar]

No thanks I value my sanity

[royal nymph]

yes and this is dogshit

.join(", ")

[fleet cedar]

Would be surprised if the jit doesn't optimize out the intermediate array anyway

[royal nymph]

or .joinToString(", ") if u want to be more explicit (but that doesn't match the array join)

[valid jetty]

alternatively Iterator.from(['a', 'b', 'c']).flatMap(x => [', ', x]).drop(1).toArray().join(', ')

but that does toArray

[fleet cedar]

Yeah that sure avoids intermediate arrays

[valid jetty]

wait

fuck

oops

idk in elle you can basically do that :3

[fleet cedar]

Also

/run ```js
console.log(Iterator.from(['a', 'b', 'c']).flatMap(x => [', ', x]).drop(1).toArray().join(', '))

[rugged berry]

@fleet cedar I only received js(18.15.0) error output

/piston/jobs/468d2c37-d470-471f-a293-1e45d5c191a5/file0.code:1
console.log(Iterator.from(['a', 'b', 'c']).flatMap(x => [', ', x]).drop(1).toArray().join(', '))
            ^

ReferenceError: Iterator is not defined
    at Object.<anonymous> (/piston/jobs/468d2c37-d470-471f-a293-1e45d5c191a5/file0.code:1:13)
    at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1254:14)
    at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1308:10)
    at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1117:32)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:958:12)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:81:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47

Node.js v18.15.0

[fleet cedar]

Huh?

[valid jetty]

because that is wrong

[fleet cedar]

Anyway, that gives triple commas

[valid jetty]

Iterator.from(['a', 'b', 'c']).flatMap(x => [', ', x]).drop(1).reduce((acc, cur) => acc + cur, '')

/run

Iterator.from(['a', 'b', 'c']).flatMap(x => [', ', x]).drop(1).reduce((acc, cur) => acc + cur, '')

[rugged berry]

@valid jetty I only received js(18.15.0) error output

/piston/jobs/2f9fbcef-d7b1-433f-a493-3a94e18b1718/file0.code:1
Iterator.from(['a', 'b', 'c']).flatMap(x => [', ', x]).drop(1).reduce((acc, cur) => acc + cur, '')
^

ReferenceError: Iterator is not defined
    at Object.<anonymous> (/piston/jobs/2f9fbcef-d7b1-433f-a493-3a94e18b1718/file0.code:1:1)
    at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1254:14)
    at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1308:10)
    at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1117:32)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:958:12)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:81:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47

Node.js v18.15.0

[valid jetty]

node 18 lol

[fleet cedar]

Mdn says that's in node 22

[valid jetty]

yea

i had to update from 19 to use it

[royal nymph]

wtf is github cooking

[solemn ravine]

they allow you to copy the sha256 of a file now

[royal nymph]

ya but the ui isn't very great xD

even on desktop it was going out of bounds for me

[solemn ravine]

maybe ur toooo zoomed in

[supple whale]

for me, the worst thing, is that typescript doesnt support JSDoc's @throws

so there's no way of statically analysing if we're not catching errors or not

i've been looking for a solution to this for almost half a decade now

and still no go

this error shit u mentioned can be mostly worked around, by allowing to only throw errors, which then lets u assume that only errors are thrown

[lavish frigate]

fn error() -> Result<_, Error> {
  Err(Error::new())
}

fn main() {
  let result = error();

  match result {
    Ok(_) => {},
    Err(e) => match e.kind() {
      Error => {...},
      _ => // what the fuck are u throwing man
    }
  };
}

bonus points if you actually dont return an error but return Result<_, String>

[royal nymph]

ulgy

[royal nymph]

js should simply never have allowed throwing anything except proper errors

even before classes they could have done some kind of duck typing and made it so you can only throw "ErrorLikes" (an object with a "message" property)

[nimble bone]

i love throwing strings

[native spruce]

@young flicker is it hot

[nimble bone]

cute

[frosty obsidian]

Jolly

[visual terrace]

ok, used github and it worked

annoying tho

i have to manually fix

instead of having free labour do it for me for 0$

SOYCIETY!

[austere idol]

can local themes use local resources?

[ornate quiver]

no

because of csp

[balmy lintel]

did you upload apple store to apple store

what

[native spruce]

No im showcasing an animation i did

[royal nymph]

turns out actually they can

(also csp isn't why they can't use local resources)

#🏥-vencord-support-🏥 message

hilariously unintended

[lavish frigate]

most creative solution award

i respect it

[jade stone]

can you do path traversal with that

[royal nymph]

no

[lavish frigate]

sucks can you please add path traversal

[jade stone]

pls fix

[dense sand]

Any pano scrobbler alternatives guys?

[royal nymph]

why

[dense sand]

Because this

It wont even scrobble when having it open...

I tried to get all the potential fixes, but still nothing

[royal nymph]

looking for an alternative app due to an issue caused by your system?

https://dontkillmyapp.com

[dense sand]

Did all the shit which is here

Ii thought it would atleast scrobble when its open... But no

[royal nymph]

whats ur oem

[dense sand]

Xiaomi

[ionic lake]

ah the classic

[supple whale]

what is that?

[spark tiger]

lastfm scrobbler

[supple whale]

i have never seen the term scrobbler in my life ngl

i see its some music app

but idk what problem it solves

[royal nymph]

lastfm brainrot slang

scrobble = stream = play

Scrobbling now

[winged mantle]

I got this book and I'm worrying if it was worth it (50 gbp / 65 usd 😭)

cool cover though...

also got "laws of ux"

HORROR why is it talking about using a makefile with go

also does not mention installing go with package manager on linux

but it does recommend chocolaty and brew on windows and mac respectively

still seems like good book

also i do love makefiles

❤️

but i never saw it used with go

[solid gazelle]

horror

65 usd for something you could pirate

[winged mantle]

book piracy is called shoplifting

i like having physical book

I am wondering if i should've used go for my moderation discord bot in typescript

attempting to rewrite it probably not worth it though

maybe i should start with trying to do a smaller modmail bot project i did in rust in go

by start i mean... after i've done plenty of less crazy stuff

but still... it's not like typescript is bad (IMO)

rust isn't bad either... but this is an easier project just to rewrite for fun but possibly keep using rust for anyway

though idk i do not like the compile times

that's my biggest issue with rust and c++

[winged mantle]

i don't like how go playground doesn't dim comments

i don't really care that it's missing syntax highlighting but having comments look like the rest of the code is actually confusing

[hoary sluice]

if you get caught shoplifting books, you pay a fine or go to jail

if you get caught pirating books you might get a warning from your isp

[winged mantle]

yeah

the former is much more likely too

[winged mantle]

also not their fault but firefox is really buggy with text insertion

the cursor often moves backwards while you're typing forwards

the text is inserted fine but the blinking line moves backwards

[spark tiger]

how did his text editor render a 3d object

[winged mantle]

can't find anyone having the same issue on google

[fleet cedar]

Templeos is a magical thing

[shrewd canopy]

Well thats templeOS what did you expect

[ornate quiver]

this is pretty funny
i tried using direct file paths file:/// and they were blocked by electron understandably

[austere idol]

this is not a plain text editor

[dense sand]

wow

[hoary sluice]

why did he make templeos have C:/

[supple whale]

for await const chunk of stream

its an async iterable, not a sync iterable

that'd block the entire thread

strictly its possible, but i'd advise against it

there are ways to convert promises into sync calls using atomics, but i'd only ever use it inside workers

[dense sand]

trynna read server.properties from docker container:

async function streamToString(stream: NodeJS.ReadableStream) {
  const chunks = [];
  for await (const chunk of stream) {
    chunks.push(Buffer.from(chunk));
  }
  return Buffer.concat(chunks).toString("utf8");
}
const container = docker.getContainer(id);
const stream = await container.getArchive({
  path: "/data/server.properties",
});
const content = await streamToString(stream);
const properties: Record<string, string> = {};
for (const line of content.split("\n")) {
  const [key, value] = line.split("=");
  if (key && value) {
    properties[key.trim()] = value.trim();
  }
}

cant tell how effective this is though

[supple whale]

performance wise?

this is awful

and i personally would never allow this code

[dense sand]

damn

[supple whale]

1. the stream should be utf8 encoded, instead of converting the chunks to an uft8 blob at the end, that's way too expensive
2. buiffer concat is insanely expensive
   rest is fine

but its already way better than like 90% of devs i've seen do the same thing

also that buffer.from

i should twist ur balls for that

you're copying data for no reason

you're legit just creating a memory copy, when its not needed

its like

auto obj = new object()
auto copy = new object.from(obj)

like why are u allocating twice XD

[supple whale]

omg, this lib is undocumented

so you dont know if it even supports an encoding option

.

[dense sand]

yea

[supple whale]

okay

here's what i'd do:

[dense sand]

i mean its just a docker api wrapper

[supple whale]

// global constant somewhere
const decoder = new TextDecoder()

// to text function
    const data = new Uint8Array(length)
    let offset = 0
    for await (const chunk of stream) {
      data.set(chunk, offset)
      offset += chunk.length
    }
    return decoder.decode(data)

this should be perfect for those very existing server.properties files which are 10GB in size

XD

[dense sand]

yes there will be definitely one of this size!

[supple whale]

this is "best practice" shit when it comes to handling memory in JS, what you wrote is perfectly usable for 1 kb file

[dense sand]

tbf i cant even tell if the ReadableStream contains the file contents

its just an assumption

[supple whale]

yeah

i'm just busting ur balls tbf

because your code is perfectly fine

i'm just used to handling insane large filesizes in node, so this kind of optimisation shit is written in blood for me at this point

[dense sand]

anyways its shouting at me

[supple whale]

yeah because you didnt specify type of the nodejs stream

ah right

[dense sand]

huh but ReadableStream is not a generic

[supple whale]

i forgot the nodejs types are dogshit and dont support generics

[dense sand]

or like

[supple whale]

i remember why i wrote my own types for nodejs

[dense sand]

should i just as unknown as any

[supple whale]

welp, chunk as Buffer it is then

[dense sand]

i should write some tests for this before it becomes too much of a mess

[supple whale]

haha

yeah thats the problem with 🐶 libs

you cant do static analysis

[supple whale]

if you ever find a better lib for nodejs types hit me up

cuz @types/node is a fucking joke

and i'm sick of re-implementing types myself

[supple whale]

actually

you could just do

let str = ''
stream.setEncoding('utf8')
for await (const chunk of stream) {
  str += chunk
}

miiight work

idk about the perf of it, i never checked how nodejs handles string conversion on streams

i know for native its faster for <1024 bytes, but for >1024 bytes textencoding is faster

[dense sand]

like this doesnt even make sense?? why does it return a stream...

theres not supposed to be not

but like

why?!

whats the purpose of it 😭

[supple whale]

is the stream an http status response?

like the body which returns ok?

XDDD

[dense sand]

its a nodejs ReadableStream

[supple whale]

yeah but i mean its contents

[dense sand]

but i mean its probably based on docker rest api so i wouldnt evne be surprised

[supple whale]

it probably just returns the return of http.post

which is a stream

which is either empty or a status response of REST

XD

[dense sand]

btw the file returned is a tar archive 💀

[supple whale]

💀

dogwater lib

[dense sand]

from the getArchive i mean

i mean this is what the docker rest api returns

so its not really a libs fault

i hope its possible to create a extract a tar archive without creating temp file

[supple whale]

in js?

well

unencrypted and uncompressed files can be zero copied

zip-go does that

https://www.npmjs.com/package/zip-go

its not the fastest lib, but its the smallest, cross platform and zerocopy

[dense sand]

does it support tar archives?

[supple whale]

honestly?

never tried

it might?

if it doesnt, you could just pipe the stream tru a decompressionstream

[dense sand]

this could work https://www.npmjs.com/package/tar-stream

[supple whale]

mafintosh

yeah

that's probably a good lib

worked with the guy a lot

b4a

eh, him and his libs

eh its a streamx stream

so it might be fucky

but should work for the most part

https://www.npmjs.com/package/tar-fs

thius is probably better for u

this guy and his streams

[dense sand]

gr8

thaks

[carmine basin]

is there a plugin thats a gif folders thingy?

[carmine basin]

where do i go then

[spark tiger]

vns

[elder yarrow]

👉 #🏥-vencord-support-🏥

[carmine basin]

thanks e thug

[dense sand]

@supple whale do you work with Bun? if yes, do you think its a good idea to go with their test framework or should i use smth like jest

i use primarily bun in my app

facepalm

[supple whale]

why

[dense sand]

oh but thats a different readablestrream...

[supple whale]

again its just

let str = ''
stream.setEncoding('utf8')
for await (const chunk of stream) {
  str += chunk
}

i dont use bun because from my experience its unstable, and doesnt support a lot of apis correctly

which is.... supposedly a controversial take, according to many people

[lavish frigate]

its not a controversial take, it does support apis correctly they just made changes to the apis 😭 if you dont know the difference between intentionally making a change and bugs/breaking something thats on u 😭 😭

[royal nymph]

meanwhile nodejs:

import { text } from 'stream/consumers';

const str = await text(stream);

[supple whale]

i dont like platform specific code tbf

[royal nymph]

i mean in a library sure

but if you're targetting desktop no reason not to use node stuff

[dense sand]

bruh

i aint working on this today

[supple whale]

actually

imma look at node's code for this

shocker

its the same code as i sent u

XDDDDDDDD

this is the same as i've written previously

jsonisnt even streamed

LMAO DENO STRAIGHT COPIED THEIR CODE 1:1 https://github.com/denoland/deno/blob/64a95cb5fb26ad86f26f6923b17f1726cdd4bc02/ext/node/polyfills/stream/consumers.js

[pearl stag]

consumers.js: Line 4

import { primordials } from "ext:core/mod.js";

[supple whale]

and didnt repsect the license

at least its compatible with node

EKHEM BUN

[royal nymph]

maybe the same guy who wrote it for node copy pasted his own code for deno

[supple whale]

ooooooooooh

you're right

[royal nymph]

streaming json is complicated and probably not worth it unless ur data is biiiig so it's fair imo :P

just use ndjson if u need good streaming tbh

json isn't really suitable for streaming cause what if you have json like this:

{
  "massive-prop": [
    // 3 billion elements
  ]
}

[supple whale]

yeah i know

i just avoid json as a cancer when it comes to streaming text

[royal nymph]

ndjson is neat tbh

but i never used it

[royal nymph]

newline delimited json

you can just read it line by line

[supple whale]

protocols did it right 30 years ago

just new line delimited utf8

[lavish cloud]

you mean jsonl?

[winged mantle]

i love go so far

:gophertroll:

my be preemptive buit it seems like something that could easily become my favourite language

[supple whale]

its a good language

but the best way i'd describe it is "there's only 1 way to write a solution"

and i dont like that

i like my giga flexible js

the biggest part of it tho is probably the packages

its very npm like, which is an outlier for native code

it doesnt feel like native code thanks to that

like, you just run compile.... and it fucking compiles

imagine that for C

black magic

[ionic lake]

use vitest

[winged mantle]

i would probably like the named return values more if there was a returnall keyword

instead of having return implicitly return everything

also it 's wacky how defer can only modify return value if it's a named value

[supple whale]

yeah

go also has a lot of "traps" because of the weird async nature of it

its syntax is quite a bit different than a lot of languages, it abstracts away a fuckload of complexities of async operations, which is fucking amazing, but boi should you not fuck up your declaration syntax or you'll introduce a lot of vulns xD

but if i had to learn any native language, it'd probs be go tbf

rust would be second, if not for the insanely overcomplicated syntax

i'm still not sure if bytecode compiled js should count as native tbf

[winged mantle]

I feel like rust is less natural to program in than many other languages and needs more practice to convert your mental model of a problem into code

[supple whale]

yep, i 100% agree

it makes you feel like you're the tool, not the language

[winged mantle]

and I feel weird writing stuff in rust that's not completely performance critical

[supple whale]

meanwhile go feels like a tool that solves all problems for you

where as in rust you're the one solving the problems

it sucks

[supple whale]

and often you'll fuck up shit enough, that you'll loose perf vs go tbf

just because of the complexity

[lucid trail]

Yeah there’s nothing quite like go

The easy to write/performance ratio is unmatched

[supple whale]

yeah the fact we still dont have "just make this function threaded" in js is insane

there are libs for it, but imports and shit get fucky

[lucid trail]

concurrency or parallelism?

[supple whale]

parallel

[lucid trail]

there are libraries that can do that??

[supple whale]

concurency we have via async and event loop, but it kinda fake

[supple whale]

not fully no

at least not inline

in separate files, sure i wrote libs like that too

but not inline

like go can

[lucid trail]

js is like the most single threaded thing ever

[supple whale]

i think we touched this topic b4 here

almost all of the w3c API's are multithreaded

but ecmascript itself is single threaded

which sucks

[lucid trail]

wdym the w3c APIs? the runtime implementations?

[supple whale]

fetch, fsa, blob, crypto, compression, bluetooth, etc etc

all that shit is multithreaded

but shit like arrays, typed arrays, pritmitives, iterables etc are all single threaded

[shrewd canopy]

In Python: we have threading at home
Threading at home: asyncio (single-threaded)

[whole basin]

Okay while looking at firefoxes advanced preferences I found this "extensions.signatureCheckpoint" does anyone know what it does

[nimble bone]

@grok what does this do

[signal oak]

The "extensions.signatureCheckpoint" preference in Firefox relates to extension security.

It likely verifies the digital signatures of extensions during startup or updates. This helps ensure extensions haven't been tampered with and are from a trusted source. I hope this helps!

Who Asked

@nimble bone

[ornate quiver]

remember that hiding away the complexity in the lang only brings more complexity into your code

go is very simple but it is NOT easy

[ornate quiver]

looks like a max line length limit thats too low?

[hoary sluice]

wrong ❌

[ornate quiver]

yeah it doesn't really solve anything

if it feels like it makes it easier that's because the complexity is hidden elsewhere

[winged mantle]

gender is not implemented

ig OTHER could just be default

why does any number automatically fit into Gender

[lavish frigate]

Woke

I store my genders as booleans

[winged mantle]

republican voting developers with the most horrific "anti-woke" database schema

[lavish frigate]

basically

[winged mantle]

CREATE TABLE husbands (
    id SERIAL PRIMARY KEY,
    wife SERIAL REFERENCES wives
);

CREATE TABLE wives (
    id SERIAL PRIMARY KEY
);

probably not valid

[lavish frigate]

pub struct Person {
  pub name: String,
  pub age: i128,
  pub is_female: bool,
  ...
}

fn somewhere() {
  let person = get_some_person();

  if person.is_female {
    apply_privilege(person);
  }
}

[winged mantle]

why are rust developers alcoholics

[lavish frigate]

idk

[winged mantle]

pub

https://crates.io/crates/beer

[lavish frigate]

actually im sorry i forgot the real is_female implementation

pub struct Person {
  pub name: String,
  pub age: i128,
  female: bool,
  ...
}

impl Person {
  pub fn is_female(&self) -> bool {
    if self.female { true } else { is_female_name(self.name.as_str()) }
  }
}

fn somewhere() {
  let person = get_some_person();

  if person.is_female() {
    apply_privilege(person);
  }
}

im non woke in the woke way yk

[still jolt]

wasn't expecting the new csp changes to also break my favourited gifs from GifCollections, that's quite annoying

guess time to patch vencord again

[spark tiger]

go enums so cursed

[winged mantle]

i like the way these random values are always the same

rand.Intn moment?

[fleet cedar]

/run ```py
print(bytes.fromhex("21 27 27 29 21"))

[rugged berry]

Here is your py(3.10.0) output @fleet cedar

b"!'')!"

[winged mantle]

yep just like c

/run

package main

import "fmt"

func main() {
    fmt.Println(iota)
}

[rugged berry]

@winged mantle I only received go(1.16.2) error output

# command-line-arguments
./file0.code.go:6:17: undefined: iota

[winged mantle]

bad

/run

package main

import "fmt"

var i = 0

func iota() int {
    i++
    return i
}

func main() {
    fmt.Println(iota())
    fmt.Println(iota())
}

[rugged berry]

Here is your go(1.16.2) output @winged mantle

1
2

[winged mantle]

iota you can use outside of constants

💞

[shrewd canopy]

Likely because random generator is initialized with same seed

[spark tiger]

but why is it always the same lol

by default

[tawny fjord]

/run

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

int main() {
  cout << "vencord epic!!!!11!";
}

[rugged berry]

@tawny fjord

Error

Unsupported language: None
Request a new language

[tawny fjord]

Tf

/run

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

int main() {
  cout << "vencord epic!!!!11!";
}

[rugged berry]

Here is your c++(10.2.0) output @tawny fjord

vencord epic!!!!11!```

[tawny fjord]

Ohhhh

U have to put c++ or py

[fleet cedar]

Yeah how else would it know what language it is

(I guess you could use a llm for it but that's )

[austere idol]

/run

#include <iostream>
template<typename T> void _print(T x) { std::cout << x; } template<typename A, typename... B> void _print(A a, B... b) { _print(a); _print(" "); _print(b...); } template<typename... T> void println(T... args) { _print(args...); _print("\n"); }

int main() {
  println("MEOW!");
}

[rugged berry]

Here is your cpp(10.2.0) output @austere idol

MEOW!

[lavish frigate]

horrible

[austere idol]

no, its actually BEAUTIFUL!

template<typename T> void _print(T x) { std::cout << x; }

prints out one thing

template<typename A, typename... B> void _print(A a, B... b) { _print(a); _print(" "); _print(b...); }

overloads the first thing and accepts multiple args until only one is left, then the first function is used instead

template<typename... T> void println(T... args) { _print(args...); _print("\n"); }

is self-describing

[lavish frigate]

horrible

[hoary sluice]

ok u just wrapped cout

whats so cool

[austere idol]

yep

:3

[lavish frigate]

its cool but pointless & it looks horrible

[shrewd canopy]

"using namespace std;"

[lavish frigate]

use std::*;

[fleet cedar]

Most stuff in std::* is already in the prelude, except the modules

[dawn ledge]

is_female

wtf

make an enum

[dawn ledge]

functional programmers hate you

[lavish frigate]

you missed the joke

[winged mantle]

rust developers have no sense of humour

[lavish frigate]

yep thats why they are the most productive ones

[winged mantle]

rust more like husk

[royal nymph]

rusk

[winged mantle]

i love go's named retursn

[winged mantle]

go is the only language i've seen where using pointers is deemed a premature optimisation though

[winged mantle]

if go can optimise it i'm chill with that

but if not that's horrific

[lavish frigate]

i just see go as another one of those useless languages because they have nothing to set themselves apart and i know this for a fact about go because all go devs ever boast about is compilation speed like that matters and i dont plan for working at google anytime soon so there are also virtually no jobs that require it

[winged mantle]

if you have this and it copies the whole stack data that's horrific

func (s MyStack[T]) Length() int {
    return len(s.data)
}

[winged mantle]

idk needing to wait like 30 seconds every time you make a change with rust is pretty annoying

😭

[lavish frigate]

id agree if that was true! sadly even as a rust dev ive yet to run into that and now with dioxus support more and more projects are slowly implementing hotpatching so making changes in something with bevy is sub second, practically instant

[winged mantle]

it depends how fast your computer is

seems like it was more like 20 seconds

still pretty annoying for debugging

and this is a relatively small codebase

honestly with rust it feels pretty rare to acutally need to use it lol

[lavish frigate]

my computer is built for raw GAMING ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ the x3d chip inside would rather kill itself than run something that is not a game (i move files and i instantly get a temp spike + slowdown) so its very much average in tasks like compilation

[lavish frigate]

you can use rust for practically anything, if im low on time or cba sure i might switch to python and i guess when making web frontends i use js/ts but other than that i see no reason not to use rust

sure i can make a programming language/webserver/discord bot/cli tool/whatever in fucking typescript/go/even c++ but also no reason to use those either and with rust i get the extra speed + the safety is nice and always a big+

and of course personal reason im most comfy with it

[winged mantle]

i find it weird when people use rust for something simple where there's not really a benefit to using a gc free language

or anythign really

feels like premature optimisation when you already know it doesn't need to be optimised lol

though I do understand that some people might simply like the language

[lavish frigate]

you are missing that rust isnt an optimisation its a language
you can twist your argument around and just say "i find it weird when people use go for something simple where there's not really a benefit to using a fast compiling language"

[winged mantle]

not really

this is about gc and i think lack of gc can make a big difference to how you need to approach problems

[lavish frigate]

"i find it weird when people use typescript for something simple where there's not really a benefit to using a typed language"
"i find it weird when people use javascript for something simple where there's not really a benefit to using a browser optimised language"
.........

its all the same

[winged mantle]

IMO borrow checking based languages or languages with memory management always have the biggest barrier

[lavish frigate]

yea sure they do

i agree with you on that

[winged mantle]

types are something you always think about even in a non typed language, at least i hope

[lavish frigate]

but also once i learned how to properly use the borrow checker i stopped having problems with it, after that it just comes down to logic/thinking errors

[winged mantle]

@lavish frigate try programming with vala

https://vala.dev/

[lavish frigate]

Why

[winged mantle]

best lang

made by gnome

nobody uses for anything other than gtk apps

cmon though this is based https://docs.vala.dev/tutorials/programming-language/main/05-00-experimental-features/05-01-chained-relational-expressions.html

[shrewd canopy]

Stolen from python apparently

[winged mantle]

actually having first class events is kind of cool

[lavish frigate]

Its syntactical sugar that throws me off

[winged mantle]

i dislike 8 width tabs

[lavish frigate]

Every language I use has conditioned me to think in expressions, a < b evaluates to true, true < c doesn’t make sense to me

[winged mantle]

wait idk that it's officially a gnome thing

it's probably older than you though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vala_(programming_language)

[lavish frigate]

you know its premium slop when they have an older maintained version with unmaintained versions in between

[pseudo sierra]

vala is so ass

[supple whale]

its like swift

just... weirder

[pseudo sierra]

it's python flavored c#

[lavish frigate]

can we stop with the x flavoured y languages i hate all of them

microsoft flavoured java

[peak hull]

spits out water in mouth

[royal nymph]

explosion

is this the right replacement idek

oh it should be beforeend

[spark tiger]

rider is so fye - i checkout a branch and audio in my whole os disappears

[native spruce]

@young flicker its over man

its actually over

they lost it

[spark tiger]

what even is that macro

[native spruce]

its a runtime check for versions

[spark tiger]

and how do you use ios 19 without quotes

[spark tiger]

oh

[native spruce]

https://forums.swift.org/t/if-vs-available-vs-if-available/40266

[spark tiger]

yeah but like i’m not really sure what iOS 19 is. if it’s a string, then why is there no quotation signs. if it’s some const, then why does it have a spacebar

[native spruce]

it is not a string

[spark tiger]

is it kinda stuff u can do with macros in swift

[native spruce]

i cant expand it or view info on it in the editor, but all I can say is that I can do stuff like

if #available(watchOS 5, *) {
}

I suppose it takes in an enum and a floating value

[spark tiger]

thanks

rosie hasn’t talked for two days, insane

[solemn ravine]

also * is a wildcard, meaning for potentially future versions also run as well

dont know exactly what it is

[spark tiger]

most likely they'll just fix it to be iOS 26

that's just the first developer beta

[jade stone]

does anyone know if it's possible to clip the hover effect to the rounded image

site:
https://hover-effect.sadanslargehole.pages.dev/
code:
https://github.com/sadan4/sadan.zip/tree/hover-effect

hover over the profile picture to see what i mean

[supple whale]

just.....

apply the same rounding as the image?

so border-radius 50% overflow: clip?

like are people actually this clueless about HTML?

[jade stone]

that works, but is there any way to do it dynamically?

[supple whale]

??????????????

???????????????

????????????????????????????

BRO

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING

[spark tiger]

crashout over html 💔

[cinder egret]

this is a channel to discuss/ask for help/help with programming, not to mock people over trivial things

[lavish frigate]

or:
overflow: hidden on the image then apply the effect as ::before/::after

[supple whale]

fair, but still

[royal nymph]

man I wish crystal had a half decent language server

the language is so nice but I need my completion suggestions

[supple whale]

dude mood

whenever i'm forced to write anything java i just wish i could use kotlin

but 0 vscode integration

.

i feel ur pain

[lucid trail]

Huh I’ve had great experience with Java in Vscode

Just takes 10 years to start tho

[supple whale]

kotlin sir

i said kotlin

i want to use kotlin cuz u can just compile it down to java

and i dont get testicular cancer when i use it, like with java

[frosty obsidian]

theres a kotlin lsp now

an official one

that being said, vscode is not what you should really use for it

[winged mantle]

I wish there was a language like kotlin but closer to java

[supple whale]

is there?

i dont see one for vscode

[frosty obsidian]

its in some sort of alpha

you need to install it manually from their github

[supple whale]

.

[frosty obsidian]

https://github.com/Kotlin/kotlin-lsp

[winged mantle]

ig kotlin is basically its own thing

it's not just for jvm

[supple whale]

damn it vencord

[frosty obsidian]

it is linux/macos only for now

[shrewd canopy]

🙁

I'm on Windows and cant use linux (nor do i have mac)

[winged mantle]

but people do often use kotlin in place of java

[frosty obsidian]

i like that you're just thinking out loud

[winged mantle]

kotlin rant incoming

[frosty obsidian]

?

[winged mantle]

ig you can't fault it for being different to java but there are things i like about java that it doesn't allow lol

*many things i like about java that are different in kotlin in general

[spark tiger]

why like what can even be the reason it can't run on windows

[winged mantle]

i like how explicit things are in java

except when it gets annoying

[frosty obsidian]

idk im not jetbrains

[winged mantle]

enum Gender {
LATINA,
LATINO,
LATINX
}

@tribal sapphire

[lavish frigate]

enum Gender {
LATINX
}

[ornate quiver]

why would you wanna be closer to java

[winged mantle]

as a language that's popular as a substitute to java, it doesn't feel very faithful to various things people choose java for lol

me included

i don't think many people choose java because of stupid stuff like needing to implementequals but people do tend to like how explicit things are

at least, if they like java

i guess kotlin is a good java replacement if you don't like java, but not so much if you do like it

[jade stone]

update

[jade stone]

might try that

[ornate quiver]

I don't think that's true
the only reason java is popular is because it's embedded into enterprise, schools, and legacy stuff

it's because the default backend language

[winged mantle]

i think you're speaking as somebody who does not like java

[winged mantle]

i stand by this

[ornate quiver]

well true but you're not seeing the bigger picture either

the amount of people who use specifically java because they like it is dwarfed by it being the default language for a lot of things

[winged mantle]

i mean if people actually like java reasons probably include ... the main things it's known for like being explicit

that's why i said

at least, if they like java

i wasn't saying people tend to like java

i haven't surveyed people

[ornate quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1232943162717114398.png?quality=lossless&name=shrug&size=64

[winged mantle]

i think i should start using the phrase "i didn't say anything i didn't say"

[royal nymph]

YOP

accurate

[hoary sluice]

java is popular because it was innovative and the best option out there back when it was invented

but they wanted to be backwards compatible

so its not up to modern standards

[supple whale]

last push was 5d ago

xd

[jade stone]

run /vencord-debug

im 99% sure you're out of date

[lavish frigate]

There is full backwards compatibility (the language has to keep in all the technical debt from 10 years ago)
No backwards compatibility (the language actually fixes shit on major updates)
And then Python (dice roll every release, even minor updates and patches, to see if you keep backwards compatibility)

[supple whale]

Vencord: v1.12.2 • 550a2266 (Dev) - 10 Jun 2025
Client: stable ~ Web (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/137.0.0.0 Safari/537.36)
Platform: Win32

HMMM

oh i see

my automated tests failed

[jade stone]

insane

[supple whale]

yeah i automated forking vencord for my local browser dist

wtf

it fails on git push

what the fuck happened

Vencord: v1.12.3 • 90990722 (Dev) - 11 Jun 2025
Client: stable ~ Web (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/137.0.0.0 Safari/537.36)
Platform: Win32

there we go\

ALL MY CSS BROKE

NOOOO

cant use jsdelivr anymore

.

ah, just a bad cache hit

.

[jade stone]

you can add a plugin that modifies the CSP

[supple whale]

i can just do a *

.

its my fork

but yeah

[lavish frigate]

hiii

I made one

[royal nymph]

or just be normal and wait for https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/pull/3476

[lavish frigate]

Is there any way to see what’s already in the allow list

[supple whale]

sir i'm not doing any more waiting

i waited 6 months for you

to look at 20 loc

this is 300

so i'm not waiting till next year

x)

[lavish frigate]

I’d send my plugin because it already works well but unknown has me blocked and doesn’t check my messages

[royal nymph]

no we kept the code proprietary to stop users from bypassing it

[lavish frigate]

What 😭😭

[royal nymph]

it's true

[lavish frigate]

so there is also no way to remove something from the allow list again..?

[royal nymph]

girl have u looked at the pr 😭

[lavish frigate]

no

i looked at the video (on my phone) ignored 90% of the screen and am too lazy to read anything else

you know at least im honest about this

[winged mantle]

programming is fun until gradle is involved

[supple whale]

god i hate ts

{
  "compilerOptions": {
    "typeRoots": [
      // these overrides are required, because we want a custom typed eventemitter, importing node types in any fashion will fully override the typed event emitter, making life a pain
      // disabling type acquisition does NOT prevent type acquisition from working, WE LOVE TYPESCRIPT, INDUSTRY LEADING TECHNOLOGY
      "./src/types"
    ]
  },
  "typeAcquisition": {
    "enable": false
  },
  "files": [],
  "references": [
    {
      "path": "./tsconfig.node.json"
    },
    {
      "path": "./tsconfig.web.json"
    }
  ]
}

this is my fucking tsconfig

there are 4 more after this

just to make TS work correctly and not pollute every file with random garbage

.

[lavish frigate]

programming is fun until any language other than my sweet sweet baby is involved

[supple whale]

how much config do you want before u even start writing any code? yes.

the fact that i cant import node:fs types in typescript, because that includes DT's node:events types, WHICH ARE INCORRECT AND DONT SUPPORT EVENT TYPE MAPS, that override my own implementation of events with event type maps

and there's NO WAY to change that

makes me want to kms

[lavish frigate]

btw yes it IS my favourite programming language ||php||

[supple whale]

mfw epic games is giving away free nitro, and its not a scam, the day came where its not a scam XD

[ionic lake]

remember the day when that first came around and discord didnt even check card credentials, so everyone and their alts had nitro

was a funny 4 months

[supple whale]

they still dont

if u do it via paypal

[jade stone]

WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE COMPUTED TAB IF NOT THIS

[royal nymph]

what

[supple whale]

yeah i dont get it too

[royal nymph]

oh the calc isn't evaluated

[jade stone]

it isn't expanding the calc

[royal nymph]

funny

I didnt know css had log

[jade stone]

computed tab also doesnt expand auto

[jade stone]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/log

new-ish

[royal nymph]

why would u ever need that tho

seems useeles

[jade stone]

cursed horrorcode

[royal nymph]

if the number is in your sourcecode, just calculate it manually and include the result instead

if the number comes from js just do the math in js

[jade stone]

you could use it for log scaling with something like calc-size

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/calc-size

[royal nymph]

this seems horrifying

better to do with js

[jade stone]

yeah

i just did the math in js

[royal nymph]

they should add methods that make it properly turing complete on its own (only requiring an empty html document)

[jade stone]

insane

[supple whale]

they did

if

css now has if

[jade stone]

dont see the page on mdn yet, have any browsers implemented it?

[supple whale]

its only been standardized for now

not added yet

https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3455

[worldly sigil]

relevant ciu page
https://caniuse.com/mdn-css_types_if

at least i think thats the right one

[supple whale]

yeah

thats it

https://drafts.csswg.org/css-values-5/#if-notation

[royal nymph]

bro uses web

the csp changes arent on web

[jade stone]

guhhh

[whole basin]

So dose that Allow firefox run unsigned extensions

[languid tide]

no

use https://waterfox.net/ if u want stable firefox and unsigned extensions that don't disappear on restart

[whole basin]

man

[austere idol]

i am currently compiling waterfox

[austere idol]

my poor laptop

[stark swallow]

so in the translate plugins languages.ts it shows a way to generate a list of languages from google translate itself by doing this

``To generate:

• Visit https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=translate
• Open Language dropdown
• Open Devtools and use the element picker to pick the root of the language picker
• Right click on the element in devtools and click "Store as global variable"

copy(Object.fromEntries(
Array.from(
temp1.querySelectorAll("[data-language-code]"),
e => [e.dataset.languageCode, e.children[1].textContent]
).sort((a, b) => a[1] === "Detect language" ? -1 : b[1] === "Detect language" ? 1 : a[1].localeCompare(b[1]))
))
*/
`

i generated my list and put it in the table but im still not getting them as options from the dropdown

theres a lot of languages in my new list compared to the more common ones that were generated for the plugin

but theres only the stock ones in the dropdown

is there more i have to do to be able to use these languages?

[royal nymph]

you either are using deepl (change it to Google in the plugin settings) or didn't actually install your own build of vencord

https://docs.vencord.dev

follow this to install your own build

[stark swallow]

i was using google i just never rebuilt

but mi tink it a work jus fine now

patois is so fun

[winged mantle]

what the freak is nest.js

[visual shell]

nestjs.com

NestJS - A progressive Node.js framework

Hello, nest! A progressive Node.js framework for building efficient, reliable and scalable server-side applications. Documentation Source code ...

Google • labsCore • Page 1/30

[fallen arrow]

just another version of node lol

[winged mantle]

ew

weird

can everyone agree annotations are for java

[fallen arrow]

huh?

[royal nymph]

isn't it just a nodejs framework

[fallen arrow]

yeah

[royal nymph]

oh god it's javascript spring

[fallen arrow]

but why use that when you can just use https://astro.build/ fr

[royal nymph]

[winged mantle]

after learning about goroutines and learning go doesn't even have corountines (and goroutines are just like java's virtual threads) I feel disappointed that the discord libs for java use callbacks instead of what discordgo and other go libraries do to avoid callback hell

[fallen arrow]

I tbh didn't even know you could use go for discord

but tbf I only really program in Swift/C++/Obj-C

[winged mantle]

that's like not knowing a spoken language had a word for chair
even if you don't know a language's word for chair or even whether the language has a word for chair, you can still assume it probably does

otherwise what would they say instead

sitting thing

actually i have no idea if some languages have no word for chair and instead you use a combination of other words

[fallen arrow]

TIL https://github.com/SwiftcordApp/DiscordKit exists

I don't mess with Discord bots really it's not my thing

That's why I was surprised that you could use Go for it

[winged mantle]

the only language i know of that doesn't have a discoord bot implemented in it is assembly

which i find very disappointing

[fallen arrow]

bro I might have to mess with Discord bots more https://dpp.dev

[winged mantle]

even C has a discord library

[fallen arrow]

I had no clue

this is sick

[winged mantle]

ig it's not quite like a language having a logging library

but discord libraries are still pretty widespread

[fallen arrow]

yeah, I can see that

lmao

objective-c doesn't have one :/

[winged mantle]

there's not a proper one for fortran

:(

[winged mantle]

who even likes objective c

[fallen arrow]

I don't like it but I tolerate it

[winged mantle]

why do norwegian words look like c standard library functions

[fallen arrow]

why are you obsessed with chairs

[winged mantle]

imagine a world without chairs

[winged mantle]

come on though

very close

utskrift also could pass as a c standard library function

even though it's not close to anything

(it just means "printing")

[fallen arrow]

lol

[royal nymph]

it's the same in german

Stuhl

stool in english :P

[winged mantle]

hallo welt

#beinhalte <cstdea>
Ganz Haupt()
{
   druckef("Hallo Welt.");
   zurück 0;
}

[lavish frigate]

will never be https://github.com/michidk/rost

[spark tiger]

@native spruce hey why is protokolle uploaded on app store under MacCompany rather than like your personal account or something

[supple whale]

a16 released without the full build of the new terminal

no display activity

no x11 server

.

[shrewd canopy]

u can use virtual threads and use .complete if you use jda

[shrewd canopy]

i will use cdiscord (official discord lib in C) for discord bots /j

[warped jackal]

is it at all possible (probably is) to automate the cli installer's questions? as in, write a script (bash, powershell etc) that automatically selects the Install and the Stable options?

trying to pipe a newline didn't work so I assume it's more complex

[royal nymph]

./installer --help

[warped jackal]

oh shit

i didnt know you could do pnpm inject --help and it would just work lol

thank you!

[warped jackal]

https://github.com/hyperlexus/vencordautoinstall

i made a thing for the few windows users running vencord from source
(probably only me while dual booting lol), it keeps removing itself so this automatically installs it, all you need to do is run the script

[spark tiger]

i see, tysm!

also that means in theory if i were to put my stuff on app store, i could just find some company with apple devloper program and ask them to do it for me?

and like they can add me as a developer with full access ig

[dense sand]

Wow

Snatched from programmer humor

[nimble bone]

fitting

[languid tide]

fireship looking image

[royal nymph]

yeah i think he made it

actually nvm

[ionic lake]

yes he did and its annoying

[winged mantle]

trying to make go cloc implementation

I feel like there's a mainstream language I'm missing but i can't think what

[spark tiger]

[nimble bone]

[royal nymph]

crystal

also js has three billion more extensions

[cm][tj]sx?

[spark tiger]

also

[royal nymph]

you will use a big database and autogenrate

[supple whale]

you know very well that js doesnt require extensions in any way

its how u configure ur compiler

you can make your compiler treat cjs as mjs if you ever so desired XD

but official js extensions are only js and mjs afaik?

[lavish frigate]

what the hell is cmsx

[royal nymph]

not a thing

[supple whale]

but i think mjs no longer does anything because of import assertions?

[royal nymph]

mjs = force esm
cjs = force commonjs

[lavish frigate]

😭

[supple whale]

you cant import mjs without specifying type="module" anyways tho

I think?

[lavish frigate]

can you please use a better way of writing that like [c|m][t|j]s? (regex inspired)

[royal nymph]

https://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/packages.html#determining-module-system

[supple whale]

i think the forcing is nodejs only

yeah

[royal nymph]

i literally used regex

[lavish frigate]

i dont believe you

[royal nymph]

i mean yeah lol if you're talking about js itself it doesn't even know what a file or module is

[supple whale]

you forgot the // XD

[supple whale]

yep.

[supple whale]

its clearly /[cm][tj]sx?/

[lavish frigate]

[cm]?[tj]sx?

[royal nymph]

yes

[lavish frigate]

js so big & greedy why does it need so many extensions

[supple whale]

json imports are like the best thing ever doe

https://github.com/ThaUnknown/fast-geoip-browser/blob/main/index.ts#L15

fucking 200MB module, reduced to a few kb, just because you can split the data into chunks and only request the data u need

[royal nymph]

bloat i think

200mb...

[supple whale]

nope, city based ip maps are roughly that size

ip->city databases are roughly 100MB, 200MB is you include more data

with ipv6 its like 300MB?

[royal nymph]

is there no way to do it more efficiently

search tree or smth

[supple whale]

nope, this is the most efficient way i researched

[royal nymph]

in binary format

[supple whale]

this is binary searched

it binary searches based on ip mask

and imports a 16kb json

instead of a 200MB file

since the 200MB file is split into a few thousand json files

this also means you load very little data into memory

most other solutions gzip a csv file, which then u need to uncompress in memory, ends up using over half a gig of ram

its nuts

just to get info on 1 IP

you fuck your server and your client, just for barely any data

like 99.9% of data wasted XD

which is why importing json in js dynamically rocks

dont need to fuck with no network shit with fetch etc

[royal nymph]

could have just used sql

[ionic lake]

theres also the ecmascript extension, .es

shouldn't exist but well here we are /shrug

[royal nymph]

main.taxi

when are we getting taxilang

[ionic lake]

it will just be typescript but a bunch loads of crack and meth of macros and all sorts of circus

[hearty swallow]

i am anti gaming

i fucking hate mine craft

[native spruce]

funny how on ios 26 arm64e.old is just broken now so some apps just crash if their binaries are just too old

had to fix it in feather https://github.com/khcrysalis/Feather/commit/eea35807aa4a5bbb1896962434c5c9abc8e8010f lol

[jade stone]

steal source assossiatons from linguist

[dawn ledge]

because the js ecosystem is full of retarded people

[solemn ravine]

@woven mesa NETWORKUI

[woven mesa]

omg

insane

[supple whale]

peak shitpost

[solemn ravine]

@woven mesa this is so cursed

im watching a wwdc video

the alert is in the corner

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2025/323/

[woven mesa]

its bound to whatever action triggered it apparently

[solemn ravine]

im sorry but does 323 mean how many videos there are

wtf

[woven mesa]

idk,,

i cant believe we’re on sf symbols 7

[solemn ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-momoi-omg-its-korn-gif-16484206196151046810

@woven mesa long search bar

[woven mesa]

true

[solemn ravine]

idk how I feel about this still

oh my god this is so goofy

[woven mesa]

horror

[winged mantle]

masterpiece

(what could i improve on)

[woven mesa]

@solemn ravine the new WebPage observable object basically lets you make headless instances easily

super cool

[solemn ravine]

@woven mesa i cant get over how horrible this makes my app look

their corner radiuses is also absurd, buttons are too big too

this looks like scamsung

[woven mesa]

true

just never migrate from xcode 16 ez

[winged mantle]

i feel like the error handling is bad

it makes no sense

[shrewd canopy]

Whar

[south moon]

how can i use liquid glass in xcode for my app?

xcode 26 btw

[south moon]

@native spruce

[south moon]

^

[native spruce]

learn to be patient + have you actually tried compiling an app…

or looking at apple documentation..?

[austere idol]

it is not enforced?

[south moon]

yep, i just found out. thanks

[winged mantle]

https://pkg.go.dev/github.com/vencord/backend why does go crawl everything

can i use util.Hash from vencloud in my own project

[frosty obsidian]

tbf they also want you to move the search bar down to the tabs

[shrewd canopy]

It doesnt

It will though if you tell it to do so

[winged mantle]

why are random yagpdb forks there

[ornate quiver]

PLEASE DONT

[winged mantle]

design patterns

[winged mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OnoxKotPQ why is this so real

[spark tiger]

🫥

[median root]

well at least its not merge conflicts

[winged mantle]

this is MUST WATCH

[supple whale]

perish brand

[winged mantle]

are there any actually popular bots using discordgo

apart from yagpdb

idk go ecosystem for things i want to do rn is bad

[royal nymph]

what u wanna do

[lavish frigate]

GO is ALWAYS bad, hop on php

[winged mantle]

i think i wanted to use it for backend stuff like mainly rn discord bots

but I also wanted to see how much of a joke go ui is and like many languages it doesn't seem great

I feel like https://github.com/diamondburned/arikawa is probaly mainly being maintained for dissent (custom gtk discord client)

discordgo seems a mess

i feel like discordgo is probably the least likely to randomly disappear though

to me the only big bot i know of using it vendoring a modified version does not seem good

[royal nymph]

yes

but its good

[winged mantle]

no components v2

[supple whale]

rly?

rlyyyyy

https://github.com/shuding/cobe/blob/main/src/shader.frag

[jade stone]

is # valid in rust identifiers

or is some other stynax

[fleet cedar]

r#type is a raw identifier

In other words, it is not the keyword type

[jade stone]

insane

why not just manually set the clap arg name

[fleet cedar]

Mostly useful for interacting with different editions, if some 2015 crate uses async or await as an identifier

But yes, some proc macros and code generators might make use of it as well

[spark tiger]

how did u not get lobotomized by @glossy cloak 😭

[supple whale]

i dont own a brain

so by definition i cant be lobotomized

too much JS turned my brain into mush

now its just a fungal biomass

[solemn ravine]

@woven mesa official app btw

[royal nymph]

crystal is fire

so easy to bind C

https://tenor.com/view/gigi-murin-gigi-murin-ジジ-ムリン-gif-9026388108910062481

now time to figure out how tf dbus works

[wet comet]

not Exactly programming related but most aligned: does anybody here use fedora silverblue.... i am pulling my fucking hair out trying to install it

[royal nymph]

gay??

crystal is just ruby but compiled so it's fast as fuuuck boy

LLVM backend so it's similar performance as rust

[ornate quiver]

aliucord server bot uses this

[nimble bone]

Aliuballs

[winged mantle]

https://github.com/disgoorg/disgo

i was really confused because there were multiple libs called disgo

but this seems to be lead by somebody also heavily involved with lavalink

so ig they probably know how to write production code

seems like it uses builders though

not compulsary though i don't think

[nimble bone]

Gowklang

[winged mantle]

i think i found discord.js for go

insane

SelfUser is optional

actually tbf it won't be available immediately

yeah what am i talking about

[royal nymph]

trol

[royal nymph]

In go it makes slightly more sense

since structs are zero initialised you can leave any field blank and it won't error

if you want to require specific fields to be set you have to make a function to create the struct

[winged mantle]

ah

[winged mantle]

discordgo was the weird one

to replicate behaviour just ignore the bool value from SelfUser()

and you'll presumably get a zero initialised struct if it's not available

will this be the third project i create prs relating to default allowed mentions for

(it only suports default allowed mentions for webhooks)

[leaden crater]

@valid jetty

[winged mantle]

i think i love go apart from billion dollar mistake

but i don't love how rust handles optional data

js/ts/kotlin does it better than java/rust imo

java has Optional type but it also has null