🪅-progaming

[median root]

but its

not

[fleet cedar]

The window shows what's behind it

That's what transparency means

[lavish frigate]

you need a compatible theme

[leaden crater]

ohhh

[median root]

oh i dont remmeber where i got my theme from 😔 I just stole all the css from it

[leaden crater]

it says inside the theme

[median root]

welp

bro PLEASE I NEED neovim keybindings in quickcss editor

ive grown dependent

[jade stone]

it's just monaco, you should be able to install them

[median root]

fr?

alr imma search around then

[dawn ledge]

you do know that you can just open the quickcss file in neovim itself right

[median root]

yeah but it doesent feel as.. right

idk

might do that

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty do u love

17 or so long ugly cut open dicks

i need to be banned from sushicraft

[median root]

why does that seaweed look like tree bark

[hoary sluice]

idk i think i put it on the right side

maybe the camera

shiny side down

@valid jetty you will visit and teach me how to sushi

[lucid trail]

just make nigiri bro

[hoary sluice]

how do u make cucumber nigiri

[valid jetty]

hi

inline functions

[valid jetty]

lmao not bad for a first attempt

[valid jetty]

evil

[deep mulch]

hiii

@valid jetty

[valid jetty]

hii

[deep mulch]

[valid jetty]

why is it so hard to make a hover diagnostic 😭

[ionic lake]

are you using a crate for lsp?

there's tower lsp service

[valid jetty]

im using tower yeah

but exporting the symbol table from the compiler is whats hard

like if i do rs fn main() { x := 1; $println(x); } and i hover over the x in the println

[fleet cedar]

Why would that be an issue

[valid jetty]

because i dont have any other info than the location where the user hovered and i simply call the compiler recursively

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty Elle will have built in cryptocurrency stuff

Elle will be used for crypto mining

and blockchain

[valid jetty]

i have to find a way to export a symbol map with the locations of identifiers and then do like scope resolution lol

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty bestie!!!

[valid jetty]

because you can do this ```rs
fn main() {
x := 1;
x := "a";
{
x = "b";
x := 3;
}

x; // we have to do scope resolution here and figure out to return `x: string` PURELY FROM A LOCATION

}

[valid jetty]

true

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty Elle risc v when

[valid jetty]

when qbe supports it i guess

[deep mulch]

drop qbe for your own implementation when

[valid jetty]

sounds like hell

[deep mulch]

for me yes but I think you'd enjoy it

Rosie is masochistic programmer

[jade stone]

vencord jumpscare

time to fix

[leaden crater]

@valid jetty @valid jetty @valid jetty @valid jetty

do you...watch vtubers (gura)

[valid jetty]

not really lol

[crimson sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/gura-feet-popcorn-gawr-gura-diamonddozen-gif-950068329448453693

[valid jetty]

hi

[leaden crater]

wel;l

[valid jetty]

HIIIIII

HIIIIIIIIIIII

IT WORKS

HOLY SHIT

oh my fucking god i cant believe this works

[hoary sluice]

how could u tell its my first attempt 😭

rosie keeps insulting me every day

[fleet cedar]

Why is there a semicolon

[fleet cedar]

Oh okay

[jade stone]

@valid jetty make jump to definition

[valid jetty]

thats what i wanna try to do next

after i get this working

[hoary sluice]

fn history() {
    let mut year = 1900;
    loop {
        year += 1;
        if year % 100 >= 20 && year % 100 <= 50 {
            fascism();
        }
        else {
            overcomplicated_peace();
        }
    }
}

[hoary sluice]

why not

i promise i wont beat you if you teach me sushi

while you teach me sushi*

i woke up today and my ear was broken

i have built in noise cancelling in my left ear now

it feels like i always have an earbud in

[valid jetty]

@dawn ledge HIIIII

i cant believe this works 😭

but i think i did this in the last hacky way possible

[deep mulch]

Elle will have built in js runtime

[valid jetty]

the lsp gives you a single position (row + col), so in the lexer i tag the token which is within that position, and prevent tagging any other token for the rest of tokenization

[dawn ledge]

omg hover

[valid jetty]

then at compilation, when compiling a Literal node, if that node is tagged, instead of passing the type forwards i throw an error with it

and then its displayed

[dawn ledge]

go-to definition next

[valid jetty]

(soon)

i wanna implement hover for variable declarations (like hovering INSIDE of a declaration) and things like numbers first

right now you can only hover over variables

[hoary sluice]

i might go back to zed

[valid jetty]

zed eats all my ram

[hoary sluice]

nvim requires sooo much config to get a proper ui

[valid jetty]

tbh the elle zed extension is really tiny its mostly just the lsp built-in to the compiler

[hoary sluice]

like those hover bubble things are terrible by default in nvim and really hard to configure

[valid jetty]

making a vscode extension for it shouldnt be too hard

[hoary sluice]

vscode is evil

[valid jetty]

the whole extension

use zed_extension_api::{self as zed, Result};

struct ElleExtension;

impl zed::Extension for ElleExtension {
    fn new() -> Self {
        Self
    }

    fn language_server_command(
        &mut self,
        _language_server_id: &zed::LanguageServerId,
        worktree: &zed::Worktree,
    ) -> Result<zed::Command> {
        let elle_lsp_cmd = worktree.which("ellec");
        let path = elle_lsp_cmd.ok_or_else(|| "ellec must be in your path".to_string())?;

        Ok(zed::Command {
            command: path,
            args: vec!["--lsp".into()],
            env: Default::default(),
        })
    }
}

zed::register_extension!(ElleExtension);

[hoary sluice]

rosie can your mom calculate binary

[valid jetty]

idk

why

[hoary sluice]

its been a running joke in our class for a few years to randomly ask but can your mom do binary

omg i keep losing more and more hearing in my left ear

[jade stone]

vscode has a really nice api

also if you're doing it via LSP it should be really easy

[spark warren]

hi guys I just joined

is there any new solution

to bring the old UI back

because this new UI tortures my eyes

[jade stone]

vns

[elder yarrow]

👉 #🏥-vencord-support-🏥

[spark warren]

I can't get used to it no matter what

[spark tiger]

so called programming

[valid jetty]

yeah its like really easy in zed too

the entirety of the lsp is like 200 loc lol

[jade stone]

afaik vscode can just work with LSP over stdio

[valid jetty]

but dont i need an extension to register the lsp

[deep mulch]

Elle will take 5 years to compile

[jade stone]

yes, i think

[valid jetty]

ill look into that at some point later because i dont really wanna open vscode right now

[jade stone]

import * as path from 'path';
import { workspace, ExtensionContext } from 'vscode';

import {
  LanguageClient,
  LanguageClientOptions,
  ServerOptions,
  TransportKind
} from 'vscode-languageclient/node';

let client: LanguageClient;

export function activate(context: ExtensionContext) {
  // The server is implemented in node
  let serverModule = context.asAbsolutePath(path.join('server', 'out', 'server.js'));
  // The debug options for the server
  // --inspect=6009: runs the server in Node's Inspector mode so VS Code can attach to the server for debugging
  let debugOptions = { execArgv: ['--nolazy', '--inspect=6009'] };

  // If the extension is launched in debug mode then the debug server options are used
  // Otherwise the run options are used
  let serverOptions: ServerOptions = {
    run: { module: serverModule, transport: TransportKind.ipc },
    debug: {
      module: serverModule,
      transport: TransportKind.ipc,
      options: debugOptions
    }
  };

  // Options to control the language client
  let clientOptions: LanguageClientOptions = {
    // Register the server for plain text documents
    documentSelector: [{ scheme: 'file', language: 'plaintext' }],
    synchronize: {
      // Notify the server about file changes to '.clientrc files contained in the workspace
      fileEvents: workspace.createFileSystemWatcher('**/.clientrc')
    }
  };

  // Create the language client and start the client.
  client = new LanguageClient(
    'languageServerExample',
    'Language Server Example',
    serverOptions,
    clientOptions
  );

  // Start the client. This will also launch the server
  client.start();
}

export function deactivate(): Thenable<void> | undefined {
  if (!client) {
    return undefined;
  }
  return client.stop();
}

you would also want to register your lang and add some syntax highlighting, icon, etc...

[hoary sluice]

rosie when will you bootstrap elle

[valid jetty]

slay

[valid jetty]

hmm ok doesnt look that hard

[valid jetty]

never

[jade stone]

i have stockholm syndrome from companion

[valid jetty]

i only really need a language client in vscode land

you can simply ellec --lsp and it should work with jsonrpc requests, tower abstracts that away

[supple whale]

yes vscode, i agree

[jade stone]

i have the same bug

[supple whale]

yeah i have no clue what causes it

like it cant be a chromium bug can it?

[jade stone]

highly doubt it

[supple whale]

but then....

they use just normal DOM text to render it

so...

[jade stone]

if i had to guess, they're printing some wrong ANSI escape

[supple whale]

like what?

the thing is if you select the text

it corrects itsefl

so it feels like a rendering bug

[jade stone]

i highly doubt it's a bug with chromium

but who knows

[supple whale]

yeah i honestly have no clue what it could be

[jade stone]

you can always bisect and find out

[supple whale]

then again, i've found so many chromium rendering bugs i wouldnt be surprised if it is

[jade stone]

@supple whale just took a quick look, and it might be this

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/237332

[supple whale]

Screen cheese in the debug consol

AGREED

nah its a different thing

mine is a render artifact for sure

his is just overlapping elements

me when i havent cleaned the screen cheese

[valid jetty]

@lucid trail love?

[lucid trail]

hell yeahhh

[valid jetty]

you can hover over the things now

the variable declarations

oh and you can do this in loops now

:3

and buffers but im not sure how to print these

[valid jetty]

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[deep mulch]

hiiii

@valid jetty add autocompletewhen

[valid jetty]

idk about that one

[jade stone]

HOW IS THERE 600ms OF GARBAGE COLLECTION FOR AN ENUM EXPORT

HOW THE FUCK

[jade stone]

it's just a massive enum

[eternal wigeon]

new fake loading bar

[leaden crater]

why?

[eternal wigeon]

its a webhook, reloading the page makes the webhook do 2 GETs and return html/css/js data in raw text. since it can take a while this is required for decent UX 🙂

but my first time making a fake loading bar lol

[leaden crater]

mmm

i dont get it , but looks cool

[jade stone]

How cursed is this https://github.com/sadan4/VencordCompanion/blob/re-export-work/src/ast/webpack/WebpackAstParser.ts#L911-L933

[pearl stag]

WebpackAstParser.ts: Lines 911-933

ret = (function nestLoop(curName: string | symbol, obj: ExportMap | ExportRange):
    ExportMap | ExportRange {
    if (Array.isArray(obj)) {
        return obj;
    }

    const keys = allEntries(obj);

    if (keys.length === 1) {
        if (obj[curName]) {
            return nestLoop(curName, obj[curName]);
        }

        const key = keys[0][0];

        obj[key] = nestLoop(key, obj[key]);
        return obj;
    }
    for (const [k] of keys) {
        obj[k] = nestLoop(k, obj[k]);
    }
    return obj;
})(x.name.getText(), ret);

[inner bone]

Can I disable synchronization for one setting in the plugin?

[elder yarrow]

👉 #🏥-vencord-support-🏥

(Auto-response invoked by @jade stone)

[inner bone]

No, I'm asking as a plugin "developer", not a user.

[jade stone]

#🧩-plugin-development , sorry don’t know off the top of my head

[inner bone]

I don't have write access to this channel

[jade stone]

#📖-info

Also you can just use DataStore

[elder scaffold]

why? https://xyproblem.info/ ?

[inner bone]

because i stupid

[placid cape]

That's cool

[inner bone]

how to fix DataStore.get() returns promise Object, how to get string ?

[fleet cedar]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn_web_development/Extensions/Async_JS

[valid jetty]

i might do a tiny write up on how i got the hover thing to work because i think it’s cool

[valid jetty]

https://rosiepie.notion.site/How-I-got-hover-diagnostics-in-my-LSP-for-Elle-1d70817590e9803888daeec3b0a1b0c5 @hoary sluice love?

[nimble bone]

Notion clone in Elle

[nimble bone]

so good

[dense sand]

We just need jsx in elle

[spark ridge]

i just noticed that elle has a std libs
thats so good

[dawn ledge]

why would it not

damn ngl vee was right, too much elle in here

[lavish frigate]

ill make the vee programming language

.v

[valid jetty]

i will rewrite vencord in veescript

[valid jetty]

i think thats only because this channel is dead most of the time so it just looks like theres a lot because theres not a lot of anything else being said

if you look theres like several hour gaps between messages lol

lmao

[hoary sluice]

cappuccino assassino or la vaca saturno?

[valid jetty]

cappucino assassino

[hoary sluice]

cappuccino assassino or spioniro golubiro?

[valid jetty]

spioniro golubiro

[hoary sluice]

spioniro golubiro or tung tung tung tung tung tung tung tung tung sahur?

[valid jetty]

tung tung tung tung tung tung tung tung tung sahur ALL THE WAY

[hoary sluice]

youre evil

at least we can both agree that trippi troppi is the best

[valid jetty]

i prefer tung tung tung tung tung tung tung tung tung sahur

[hoary sluice]

tung tung tung tung tung tung tung tung tung sahur is almost as bad as bombardino crocodilo

[lucid trail]

i hate how i know what that is

[hoary sluice]

the penguins of heard island and mcdonalds islands have responded https://youtu.be/HJ8qGOe2K0o

@valid jetty i have spent so much time switching between different languages now i can more or less understand romanian. arabic, polish (and therefore czech/slovak and a bit of some other slavic languages), and a bit of esperanto but i can speak none of these

and now im tryna get kazakh involved too

its too hard

i have to learn all of these

[valid jetty]

hmmmmm

[valid jetty]

husk

[fleet cedar]

Wtf is up with that aℓℓ ligature

What kind of font does that

[valid jetty]

maple mono 🎀🎀🎀🎀

my fav font

[valid jetty]

btw @fleet cedar do you think there’s a cleaner way to have approached this?

[fleet cedar]

Less cringe than the -ᗆ ligature though

[valid jetty]

idk i like how it looks lol

[fleet cedar]

I kinda just hate ligatures on principle so

[valid jetty]

fair enough not everyone likes them

if anything i think it’s more 50/50

[fleet cedar]

The fact that you had to jump through such hoops hints that your whole architecture seems quite messy, ngl

[lavish frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iXIkReCXY6g

[valid jetty]

there isn’t really a lot of hoops it’s just

• send position to compiler
• tag token with position within location
• report the type when the token is compiled instead of continuing compilation

[fleet cedar]

I kinda only skimmed it, but why would variable-resolution-for-hover be any different from variable-resolution-for-compiling?

[valid jetty]

that’s exactly what i do lol

i just use the value from compilation but instead of returning it to the compiler i extract it as a diagnostic

[fleet cedar]

Parse tree, resolve scopes, look up token and find its scope

[valid jetty]

nope i don’t do any of that for hover diagnostics

the compiler itself already does that because compiling literals (ie identifiers) is done via token, so it propagates the tagged thing, when it resolves a variable with some name i get back a type and value, so i can just return the type instead of continuing compilation

[balmy lintel]

insane

https://fxtwitter.com/bunjavascript/status/1911996212510921188

why would anyone do this

Bun (@bunjavascript)

Roll your own auth with `Bun.password`

**💬 81 🔁 85 ❤️ 2.3K 👁️ 255.5K **

FxTwitter · Apr 15, 2025, 4:13 AM

whats wrong with bcrypt

[valid jetty]

LMAO

[valid jetty]

so bun can secretly add a backdoor later and destroy the web dev industry

[unkempt shuttle]

it sucks

[lavish frigate]

these videos like suck you in once you start watching you cannot stop until youve watched all of them like 5 times its insane

[unkempt shuttle]

use argon2

[winged mantle]

i guess they really want a big stdlib

but why

[shrewd canopy]

I mean a lot of batteries is very good

[fleet cedar]

No

Large batteries is bad

Easy extensibility is good

[shrewd canopy]

I would prefer large batteries over pulling 700 dependencies

[winged mantle]

people often pull dependencies for things that they could write themselves

my discord bot with rest api only has 9 direct dependencies

[fleet cedar]

And how many indirect

[winged mantle]

it's hard to see when multiple dependencies reference the same dependency

[fleet cedar]

cargo tree | wc

[winged mantle]

this is node.js based

[fleet cedar]

My decompiler has 12, of which 5 are for the cli frontend only

[shrewd canopy]

My bot uses python and iirc it has less than direct 10 deps, and its <20 deps total

[dawn ledge]

you either end up with 500 micro-dependencies
or a bloated ass stdlib
only few settle with the middleground

[winged mantle]

my whole tree looks like this

for backend

[dawn ledge]

-l :^)

[winged mantle]

but some are duplicated

[dawn ledge]

based hono user

🤝

[winged mantle]

and some types packages are in the dependencies instead of devdependencies

as well as typescript

which makes no sense

(at runtime i am not using typescript compiler, just node's built in type stripping)

[fleet cedar]

cargo tree | wc gives 94 transitive dependencies

[winged mantle]

what does it decompile

[fleet cedar]

Trails through Daybreak scripts

[spark ridge]

lol

[dawn ledge]

are you compiling every hover event?

i feel like a lot of lsp performance could be improved by emitting an intermediate tree representation with types

and then recompiling it on change

inotify or soemthing

[winged mantle]

i fel like fastify is the library for people who unironically like kotlin

[valid jetty]

good point yeah

[dawn ledge]

@valid jetty does elle accept shebang

[fleet cedar]

Yeah one of the selling points of lsp is that it's a persistent process with persistent state

[valid jetty]

nop

[nimble bone]

i love fastify

[nimble bone]

this is why Bun should die

[dawn ledge]

eh im fine with it

it would suck if you use bun stdlib in a library

but for applications using bun stdlib is fine

its equivalent to deno's stdlib

execept deno does it better

[nimble bone]

bun stdlib locks you/other contributors to that specific runtime

vs bcrypt which you can install anywhere

this is why bun and similar are a cancer to the js ecosystem

He knows

[winged mantle]

bun

🐇

[lavish frigate]

this new dm wallpaper experiment really isnt that well designed 😭

instead of just having like asset_blurred: they just copy over everything except the asset..........

insanity

[shrewd canopy]

What you did expect from nitro team

[dawn ledge]

i mean, its a user-facing api, no one cares

will complain when its officially documented for bots

[shrewd canopy]

When you apply wallpaper it sends PATCH /channels/{channel.id} w wallpaper_id, idk what you're suggesting instead

[dawn ledge]

well if you could see

i do agree there are better ways to structure this

[lavish frigate]

my problem is that they use 2 separate entries for blurred and unblurred wallpapers, im suggesting that they instead just put "blurred" into default and put the blurred asset hash there

or better yet... just use filter in a style...

[fleet cedar]

Dm wallpaper, is that another nitro nuisance like those name plates?

[dawn ledge]

yes

gotta pump out every dollar

[lavish frigate]

yep

im making a plugin that makes them clientsided

shrug

[fleet cedar]

Probably nothing a few lines of css can't fix

[dawn ledge]

we had a thing for this

it is called css themes

[lavish frigate]

the floating widget they have for this is really cool tho

you can move it around and stuff

[wispy kernel]

You’re too good

[wispy kernel]

Are the discord wallpapers?

[lavish frigate]

yes

[nimble quail]

i write my math notes in a sort of pseudocode form, like so

TO FIND VERTEX...
GIVEN: f(x) = -0.02x^2 + 1.4x + 5.7
FIND X
x = (-1.4) / (2(-0.02))
x = 35
COMPUTE f(35):
    f(35) = -0.02(35)^2 + 1.4(35) + 5.7
    f(35) = -24.5 + 49 + 5.7
    f(35) = 30.2
VERTEX = (35, 30.2)
MAXIMUM HEIGHT = 30.2 at DISTANCE of 35

at the beginning of the documents, i always put a recall block, for stuff i have to memorize like formulas and such

---- BEGIN RECALL

QUADRATIC FORMULA
x = ( -b +- sqrt(b^2 - 4ac) ) / 2a
    where sqrt is "SQuare RooT"
    
TO FIND X from FORM f(x) = ax^2 + bx + c
-b / 2(a)

---- END RECALL

but now i'm getting into shit involving Long Division.
dividing polynomials with long division
i never learned how to do long division. i just straight up never did the assignments/problems and passed through anyway. the introduction of calculators saved my stupid ass later on

so now my document on dividing polynomials through long division begins with

---- RECALL

SUICIDE IS NOT WORTH IT

---- END RECALL

[lavish frigate]

whelp i now have a half broken plugin that allows me to set wallpapers

[dawn ledge]

slowly refining the grammar for hana lang

[lavish frigate]

hana lang?

[dawn ledge]

my own language

which is too similar to rust

and i hate that

[lavish frigate]

😭

[dawn ledge]

trying to make it not similar to rust

i am too rust pilled

i dont dislike rust

but if my lang is too similar to it there really is no point working on it

[winged mantle]

my lang will be blua

bluey but lua

[valid jetty]

everyone is making languages now

[valid jetty]

are you writing a formal grammar for it?

[shrewd canopy]

I am not making a language, I am too silly for it

[dawn ledge]

for now i just have an "example" file in which im writing stuff according the the syntax i like
and then i will write ebnf grammar

it makes it really simple to write parsers

i was studing about glr(1) parsers prior to this

even before i decided to write a lang

[dawn ledge]

peer infulence

[nimble quail]

it's not a new language, but it is a note taking format i'm working on standardizing

big walls of text scare me
boiling it down into concise keywords makes me happy

[pseudo sierra]

I kinda wanna make a language but it'd just end up being functional rust

[dawn ledge]

i would like to interject for a moment to introduce you to the modern, blazing fast, and awesome markup language called TYPST

[dawn ledge]

essentially what im at rn

the syntax is too similar to rust its uncanny

[nimble quail]

you see this? this is how to reduce someone's will to live

never do this

[dawn ledge]

there are some zig influences (like comptime and variable length integers) but its way way too similar to rust

[nimble quail]

zag, inspired by zig

[dawn ledge]

true, looking at math reduces my will to live

[pseudo sierra]

inb4 zig-rs

[dawn ledge]

i am a weird person
i like the minimalism of c and zig
but i love the safety "features" (more like torture) provided by rust

and im having a hard time almagamating this into a format i would like to actively use

[valid jetty]

senddd

[nimble quail]

//////// CASE 1: CHECK PASS ////////

DETERMINE IF f IS POLYNOMIAL FUNC
GIVEN: f(x) = 9x^8 + 7x^5
    EXP^s 8, 5 ARE POSITIVE INTEGERS
    COEFFs 9, 7 ARE REAL NUMBERS
TRUE; f is POLYNOMIAL FUNC

//////// CASE 2: CHECK FAIL ////////

DETERMINE IF f IS POLYNOMIAL FUNC
GIVEN: h(x) = 2x^5 + 3x^2 + 7/x
    TERM 2x^5 PASSES
    TERM 3x^2 PASSES
    7/x = 7x^-1
        EXP^ IS NEGATIVE
    TERM 7/x FAILS
FALSE; f IS NOT POLYNOMIAL FUNC

[dawn ledge]

please dont shit on me (im gonna cry)

[nimble quail]

see this? this is concise. and sexy

[nimble quail]

this is much sexier than...

[nimble quail]

this

[dawn ledge]

mathematician's wet dream

[valid jetty]

aa wait can you send it again but with .rs

plain text code is unreadable for me

[valid jetty]

thank ouu

[dawn ledge]

hl breaks halfway through after raw strings

[valid jetty]

lmao horror

let me put it in zed

[nimble quail]

maybe explode in hellfire

it's in a thing it won't do the big text

stupid automaton

[dawn ledge]

the # is for macros

[valid jetty]

does this mean you wanna make a borrow checker

[dawn ledge]

yes

i have been too borrow-checker pilled

cant live without

[nimble quail]

what the hell is a borrow checker

am i too python-pilled to comprehend this

[dawn ledge]

like i can do manual mem management no problem
but i like the convenience of not having to maintain a mental model of the memory flow

[dawn ledge]

lc.gemini explain what a borrow checker in rust is to a person who only uses python

[visual shell]

explain what a borrow checker in rust is to a per…

Gemini • Gemini may display inaccurate info, so double-check its responses.

[valid jetty]

what is this

[nimble quail]

TOYS?

[dawn ledge]

i was just putting it there so i remember that ()s are valid tokens for delimiting expressions

(i am kinda stupid)

[valid jetty]

ok no basically @nimble quail instead of something like C where you manually manage the ownership of memory

or java where you never manage the ownership of memory (gc)

in rust memory's ownership is predictably passed around

[dawn ledge]

||and is a pain in the ass||

i might make the borrow checker optional

[nimble quail]

memory ownership by a program/thread?

[valid jetty]

nope, its who has the responsibility to free the memory

because someone needs to but only 1 thing can

[dawn ledge]

in manual memoory management
you, as the developer have the responsibility to allocate and free memory accordingly
in a borrow-checker system the compiler uses rules and heurestics to determine when an allocated memory is to be freed

and you as the developer only have to nudge it a little

i swear just a little

[nimble quail]

but so long as you're aware of the rules and heuristics. you can predict its behavior and work with it, right?

in theory. right?

[dawn ledge]

currently writing a revised version that isnt a balant copy of rust

[dawn ledge]

yes

[valid jetty]

please ?? punctuation

orelse feels cursed

[nimble quail]

orelse???

that's just... else, right?

[dawn ledge]

stole that one from zig

[valid jetty]

also does this imply you want to break the C abi?

[dawn ledge]

wdym

[valid jetty]

elle doesnt need extern C because it directly interfaces with C

all elle code is usable from C

having extern C means you want to make changes which breaks that

[dawn ledge]

the entire extern and unsafe part is very much a draft

[valid jetty]

i see

[dawn ledge]

might not necessarily be just for C

maybe some other abi

[valid jetty]

idk

C++ has that because it does name mangling

rust has that because they have their own abi

[dawn ledge]

isnt rust abi solely because of monomorphisation issues

[valid jetty]

yes lol

[dawn ledge]

or atleast the reason why its unstable

[valid jetty]

and no variadics

[dawn ledge]

i want varargs

they are nice

[valid jetty]

yeah

elle has the same problem as c++ which is that you cant use an external generic function

because how do you compile a type T into an object file

[nimble quail]

is a vararg like passing a variable as an arg for a function?
i.e.
rnd(variable)

[dawn ledge]

pull a swift, resolve genrics at runtime :^)

[valid jetty]

nope its variable number of args

[nimble quail]

oh what the fuck

[valid jetty]

like, foo(1) and foo(1, 2) and foo(1, 2, 3)

[nimble quail]

WHAT

[dawn ledge]

its like the *args in python

[valid jetty]

rust doesnt have that, only available via macros

[nimble quail]

ARBITRARY?

insane

[valid jetty]

thats a really common language feature lol

[dawn ledge]

lc.gemini write a function in python using *args, only the code, dont explain

[visual shell]

write a function in python using *args, only the…

def process_arguments(*args):
    """
    Processes an arbitrary number of arguments.
    """
    # You can implement your logic here to work with the *args tuple
    for arg in args:
        print(f"Argument: {arg}")

if __name__ == '__main__':
    process_arguments(1, "hello", 3.14, True)
    process_arguments("a", "b", "c")
    process_arguments()

Gemini • Gemini may display inaccurate info, so double-check its responses.

[valid jetty]

C has a really shitty way to do it

like really shitty

[nimble quail]

i haven't found a need for this but i'll keep it in mind

[dawn ledge]

love me some va_start

(i dont)

[nimble quail]

kinda just learning things as i need them

[dawn ledge]

thats what we all do dont we

[nimble quail]

i started my star navigator project with little code experience. it has taught me a lot about programming

[valid jetty]

int sum(int count, ...) {
    va_list args;
    va_start(args, count);

    int total = 0;
    for (int i = 0; i < count; i++) {
        total += va_arg(args, int);
    }

    va_end(args);
    return total;
}

int main() {
    printf("%d\n", sum(5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5);
    return 0;
}

you have no way to get the number of arguments so you have to pass them to the function lol

[dawn ledge]

fortunately we have better ways to do thsi

ElleMeta!

[valid jetty]

elle way

fn sum(ElleMeta meta, ...args) {
    total := 0;

    for i in 0..meta.arity {
        total += args.yield(i32);
    }

    return total;
}

fn main() {
    $println(sum(1, 2, 3, 4, 5);
}
``` loveeee runtime function call introspection

[dawn ledge]

this is a really good api design

i quite like it

[nimble quail]

is an SQLite table good for storing save game data, or are there better systems for this
in a game where multiplayer doesn't exist (so cheating doesn't matter)

[valid jetty]

tbh it would have been better to put arity inside of args in some way but there are cases when you want arity without vargargs so idk

and args also doesnt really exist

[dawn ledge]

sqlite is definitely great, its like the best embedded and minimal database

[valid jetty]

surely

better than a csv file or something

[dawn ledge]

dont be valve, dont roll out your own shitty json dialect

[nimble quail]

at first for a smaller project i tried using a text file and using the line numbers for their index.

and it worked but man did it suck

[dawn ledge]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShsoED-goDg

[elder scaffold]

depends on what you wanna save

[dawn ledge]

sqlite has minimal overhead and gives you leeway for future additions

[lavish frigate]

make your own binary format :^)

[nimble quail]

i wrote a basic table manager for python to store and sort my characters
it was a good exercise in working with sqlite

it has a terrible search function but it does work

[dawn ledge]

unironically a good exercise

[nimble quail]

binary format?

[lavish frigate]

i mean most games just use a binary format

[valid jetty]

@dawn ledge do you love how printf finds the number of arguments based on the number of format arguments in the fmt string

because theres no other way to do it

[nimble quail]

what do you mean "your own binary format"

[lavish frigate]

you save data by writing bytes into a file

[dawn ledge]

writting a db helps you understand how dbs work and with that knowledge if you use a real db you'll have cool ways to optimize your app

[dawn ledge]

😭

[nimble quail]

writing a db sounds interesting and fun but not right now

[dawn ledge]

i mean; every digital file in existence :p

[nimble quail]

but i'll keep it in mind

i did have something of a db going but it used text files

[lavish frigate]

idk how to explain it

[dawn ledge]

nah its fine

[nimble quail]

i understand what you mean

[lavish frigate]

but sql just isnt the best for storing game data

[nimble quail]

i mean yeah. but it is good at storing data

[dawn ledge]

debatable

[nimble quail]

y'all know Uplink/Onlink?

Uplink uses an SQL table for its savegame data and it works fine

[dawn ledge]

(in the end you're probably gonna be putting json into the columns LOL)

[lavish frigate]

a lot of overhead for minimal value, if you have a bunch of upgrades storing bools in an upgrade table is stupid also stupid if you just store a json array lol

[velvet fog]

JsonDB my beloved

[valid jetty]

i just realized these structs are entirely written via ast nodes (there is NO elle code that represents them) and here they are displayed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011346757214543875/1362121793921355796/image.png?ex=68013e46&is=67ffecc6&hm=6210cf5e40c762a6174bee28590003877d4b60140f627842c7941f018fc4847d&

[elder scaffold]

but if you just have to store that type of data why not just store it in json

[lavish frigate]

sql is good at storing large amounts of data while being scalable

not just storing data

[nimble quail]

i've never touched json

is it worth it?

[lavish frigate]

thats also why you dont store files in sql

[nimble quail]

it's not storing FILES, it's just storing data
numbers, strings, that kinda stuff

i don't expect to store images in an SQL table

[lavish frigate]

im explaining what sql is good for

[nimble quail]

you could store an image. if you're brave

just convert it to text and back

surely nothing terrible will happen

[hazy pine]

its possible with data uris

[lavish frigate]

basically if you have a binary save file, you as the developer know exactly how its laid out
so imagine you reserve the first 11 bytes for a character name, then upgrade1, upgrade2, upgrade3 (storing them as boolean values so 0 or 1) and then some currency (coins i guess?) as a 64 bit int it would look roughly like this

[elder scaffold]

I mean json is probably part of the standard library of the language you're using

[lavish frigate]

1. the bytes for the name
2. first upgrade
3. second upgrade
4. third upgrade
5. the integer
   etc.

[dawn ledge]

sqlitefs is knocking on your doors

[lavish frigate]

hxd my beloved

[elder scaffold]

what if you wanted a name with 12 bytes

[dawn ledge]

pro tip, whenever you write a binary format ALWAYS, i repeat ALWAYS, make sure to reserve bytes for version

[dawn ledge]

and if you're feeling fancy you can also ahve your own magic bytes

[dawn ledge]

<bytes for length of name><actual data>

[lavish frigate]

you reserve as much space for the name as the character limit is, so a sane example would be to reserve 32 bytes for the name and a smaller name just has the unused bytes 0'd out

[dawn ledge]

this is what formats do

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty no matter what i always go back to kde

[lavish frigate]

or that

sure

[dawn ledge]

reserving pages is an optimization for frequent read writes

[valid jetty]

on nix..?

[lavish frigate]

your biggest enemy with binary is variable length, have fun storing arrays

[dawn ledge]

if youre like sending this over the wire reserving extra bytes is kinda suck

[hoary sluice]

im tired of sway

[dawn ledge]

hop on hyprland

[hoary sluice]

you have to do so much work to get anythin gto work

[lavish frigate]

sure

[hoary sluice]

hyprland has the same issue just on a smaller scale

[lavish frigate]

for an offiline game both methods are fine though

[elder scaffold]

just store json arrays

[dawn ledge]

thw solution is to never configure

[pseudo sierra]

steal someone eleses dots

[dawn ledge]

rock default config

[lavish frigate]

the solution is to use windows

[hoary sluice]

no its not

wrong reply

[dawn ledge]

help chloe is becoming dolfies

[valid jetty]

i love the

[len: i32][buffer: sizeof(len)] pattern

[winged mantle]

the youtuber who learnt python by "mistake"

[valid jetty]

this is so cool 😭

omg

[dawn ledge]

might sound crazy what im about to say
json is also a binary format :^)

[lavish frigate]

all formats are binary...

its all binary??

[dawn ledge]

true...

always has been

[valid jetty]

i will write the first enby file format

[dawn ledge]

i cant decide whether i want lifetimes or not
if i do idk how to do them without screaming rust

i need more minimalism

[winged mantle]

it's a text format using utf-8, utf-16, utf-32 codec

[dawn ledge]

can never be minimalistic enough

[winged mantle]

ref count

[dawn ledge]

one of these days im gonna strip away all gui and live in the tty

[dawn ledge]

NO GC

❌

[winged mantle]

do you call std::shared_ptr gc

[dawn ledge]

ong i though you were mantika cause of the duke

[elder scaffold]

make it so nothing is ever removed from memory

[dawn ledge]

would be nice to not pay a billion dollars in ram to run my code

[winged mantle]

HOW LONG HAVE YOU THOUGHT THIS FOR

[dawn ledge]

forever

[winged mantle]

dsrghxiufio8aegsiuhd978egs^YIUSET ^&*(Gy78diughx

[lavish frigate]

make it so you dont ever store anything in memory in the first place

[winged mantle]

the kode tode

[elder scaffold]

but kirby

[lavish frigate]

only way to be even slower than python

[dawn ledge]

sorry i dont remember people's avatars

unless im interacting with them every other minute

[pseudo sierra]

I pretty much exclusively go off of pfp

[winged mantle]

imagine if you see somebody you think is mantika

[dawn ledge]

i used to recognize people off of their usernames but ever since pomelo every turned into random things and i cant recognize half of my friend list now

[winged mantle]

and you see she/it in profil

[elder scaffold]

make it so the user has to get a piece of paper to write down the memory and the program asks for the value every time it needs something

[dawn ledge]

sorry kode, confusing people with mantika is indeed a great sin

[winged mantle]

i don't actually have she/it in my profil,e

[valid jetty]

imo you only really have 5 choices

• manual memory management (what you will probably do when first starting to make the language, ownership hell)
• garbage collection (can be made relatively easily out of manual, worse perf than manual, not a bad option for cleaner syntax)
• arena allocation (there is one global allocator which has everything allocated into it, the developer can choose to make new arena allocators, put things in them and free them all at once, etc)
• reference counting (same as gc in terms that it can be made easily out of manual mm, potentially less bloat than a gc, might be worse for the developer, slightly worse perf, slightly worse code)
• borrow checking (same perf as manual, HORRIBLE to write for the developer, if written correctly will look almost as clean as a gc ((once you get rid of all the compilation errors)))

[elder scaffold]

or

• dont store anything
• dont bother removing anything from memory

[dawn ledge]

yeah im leaning towards going from manual to borrow checking slowly

[winged mantle]

why not create a language based on a combination of sql php and assembly

[valid jetty]

i did that originally lol

manual memory management + no freeing ever

[dawn ledge]

i dont wanna force a single allocator like arena, cause i want the apis to be allocator agnostic similar to zig

[valid jetty]

elle has custom allocator support too yeah

https://github.com/acquitelol/elle/blob/rewrite/tests/auto/allocators.le

[dawn ledge]

ref counting is just gc in denial

[valid jetty]

not really

at least if it’s manual ref counting

if you’ve ever seen objc code it’s full of [obj retain] [obj release]

[dawn ledge]

😭

i can actually not read obj c at all

[nimble quail]

isn't c's thing that it doesnt use objects. or am i misremembering

[dawn ledge]

objective c is apple's C

[elder scaffold]

just make a compiler for https://github.com/TodePond/GulfOfMexico

[valid jetty]

structs are basically objects lol

[dawn ledge]

yeah

but the obj c in this context is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C

[nimble quail]

OH ok

[valid jetty]

tbf objc doesn’t need retain release anymore because it has automatic reference counting

the retain release are inserted for you by the compiler

[nimble quail]

wrote some python on linux and then it failed to run on windows. for reasons i couldn't comprehend
i refuse to make support for macos in anything i write

supporting two os's is enough

[dawn ledge]

you dont have to worry about os support on python unless youre doing something os specific

[nimble quail]

tell that to my program that works on linux but doesn't on windows

[winged mantle]

what does your program do

[valid jetty]

also macos is unix compliant, if anything it’s more likely to run on macos than windows

[nimble quail]

i tried to set up multithreading
the part i was trying to multithread makes a metric fuckton of objects and it took a while

so i wanted to split it up

[jade stone]

does python even do multithreading?

[nimble quail]

it has a library for it

[winged mantle]

can you write postgres fuinctions in c?

[valid jetty]

import threading

[pseudo sierra]

if you're getting into multithreadding in python you want to reconsider your language choices

[winged mantle]

awesome

[dawn ledge]

rosie
im thinking of merging union and enum syntax

union Foo {
  Bar(u8) // becomes a tagged union aka enum
}

// normal union
union Baz {
  a: [u8; 4]
  b: u64
}

[nimble quail]

i could make the data but for whatever reason it wasn't collecting the data it made

i knew it was making the data because it would occupy a massive chunk of my RAM

wasn't collecting it in the way i wanted, anyway

[valid jetty]

good idea but don’t completely change the syntax lol

[dawn ledge]

unix or posix

[nimble quail]

fair but. throws rocks at you

[dawn ledge]

wdym

[pseudo sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-punch-gif-14008503396845178733

[supple whale]

i kinda liked how kotlin did multithreading, simply "hey this expression is multithreaded"

and its magically multithreaded

[dawn ledge]

golang

[supple whale]

rust probs has that too

[dawn ledge]

idts

[pseudo sierra]

iirc macos is mostly posix compliant

ish

[nimble quail]

does threading work in gdscript

[dawn ledge]

i HATE the distinction of unix and posix
make them one bro i cba to remember what goes where

[valid jetty]

close enough it’s all the same anyway

[nimble quail]

supposedly threading is supported in godot but there's a difference between it working well and working but sucking

[valid jetty]

Bar(u8) is COMPLETELY different from a: [u8; 4]

[elder scaffold]

why would you need to do multithreading in godot

[nimble quail]

handling the generation of a LOT of things

world generation

[dawn ledge]

yes

those are 2 different unions

[nimble quail]

basically im trying to procedurally generate a small galaxy

and each of those stars and the things orbitting them are meant to be interactable

[elder scaffold]

on the atom level?

[dawn ledge]

starfield by vencord member

[pseudo sierra]

I looked it up cuz it started to bother me and macos is unix v3 compliant but not unix v7 compliant and it's for the most part posix compliant (and uses zsh as the default shell which is posix compliant)

[nimble quail]

no
i'm not even handling astrophyics. stars and planets are static

[elder scaffold]

oh on the quark level?

[nimble quail]

i just want points in space with simple sprites and some info attached to them

it's just that there are a LOT of them

i think i got to around 2 million objects on python before running out of RAM

[dawn ledge]

or i could do

tagged union A {
  Bar: u8,
  Baz: u32
}

union B {
  a: [u8; 4]
  b: u32
}

[nimble quail]

but this was without handling graphics

[dawn ledge]

i assume thats what you meant by not chaning the syntax completely

[spark ridge]

are you the people that talked about game games set in the galaxy?

[valid jetty]

@dawn ledge

[nimble quail]

one person, but yes

[valid jetty]

implement

[valid jetty]

yea

[dawn ledge]

😭

[elder scaffold]

why load the entire thing all at once

[dawn ledge]

ia m not writing brainrot lang

[nimble quail]

the fuck

[spark ridge]

sry. that was my bad english

[nimble quail]

yeah, that was something i considered
generating by "chunk"

[valid jetty]

add(1, 2)? ts sucks fr @print i gotta see this istg

[spark ridge]

are you using japanese?

[valid jetty]

yes lol

[nimble quail]

i'm thinking i generate all the ones with stations and interactables on startup, then load the useless or less interesting ones by chunk

[valid jetty]

oh and btw i replied to your issue

[dawn ledge]

kinda funny that all my software i use is not my native lang and rather english

[valid jetty]

oh you replied

[spark ridge]

thx
i replied too lol

[nimble quail]

concept:
instead of a try-except block
just put ? at the end of a statement to do the same thing as try (attempt but don't kill the program on error)

[spark ridge]

wow
if you have a question of japanese, plz ask me.
im japanese

[dawn ledge]

hold up i got something

[nimble quail]

func(arg)?

[valid jetty]

sure!!!

[valid jetty]

usually the ? is used for something else

let x = get_thing()?;

turns into

let x = get_thing();
if x.is_none() {
    return None;
}

[spark ridge]

ask me on dm or on this guild and I'll answer

it might take me a while to answer because of the time difference

[nimble quail]

kind of the same thing!

[spark ridge]

this photo have japan tag? lol

[valid jetty]

okieee

[nimble quail]

is learning another programming language easier once you've learned one?

[valid jetty]

yeah i guess so

[elder scaffold]

absolutely

[valid jetty]

yesss just like irl languages

[nimble quail]

ok good

[nimble quail]

because this is definitely not python, but it makes intuitive sense to me

[dawn ledge]

there are some languages that are easier to learn depending on what you already know

[valid jetty]

once you learn 3+ you realize there’s a huge pattern and that’s when you know you’ve learnt programming in general and not programming in a specific language

because there is a big difference

[nimble quail]

javascript feels a little... silly

[pseudo sierra]

correct

[lavish frigate]

try except sucks so much

[dawn ledge]

cjk languages are pretty close so if you learn one learning others will be relatively easy compared to like starting off from english

[lavish frigate]

one of the worst inventions in programming history

[nimble quail]

python vs. whatever this is feels like english v spanish
trying to read java feels like trying to read japanese or something

[nimble quail]

why? /gen

[lavish frigate]

"yeah let me just throw and exception and hope to god something up above catches it 🙏 " statements dreamed up by the utterly derranged

[dawn ledge]

chole likes writing match for every function call ||/j||

[valid jetty]

not really an accurate comparison

[spark ridge]

i agree this
languages influenced by the c language have a common underlying grammar

[elder scaffold]

no it's english v english

[valid jetty]

japanese is just different to english, but it’s not hard once you understand the patterns, java just sucks

[nimble quail]

once i actually start to learn it, it'll probably make more sense, but for now it feels like moon runes. to me

[lavish frigate]

its very unintuitive, it teaches you bad habits, but basically it quite literally is just "i hope something up above catches my exception", it doesnt make any sense

at all enterprise level code i worked on we just didnt care about exceptions, something throws an exception? try catch is fucking ugly, just make the global exception handler do shit

[valid jetty]

possibly the worst part of js

[nimble quail]

you're saying to learn to catch unexpected cases without throwing exceptions?

try/except definitely doesn't seem necessary

i have worked without it

[lavish frigate]

not exactly, programming languages with try catch dont have a lot of options, if you want good working code you have to put a try catch around every single function that might throw an exception

[spark ridge]

This is Japanese

彼 "は" 公園へ行く
He will go to the park.

彼 "と" 公園へ行く
I will go to the park with him.

[dawn ledge]

i imagined the most horrible api ever
println returning an error and having to handle it

[lavish frigate]

rust results are a good alternative, they try to make you handle every single exception case

[nimble quail]

using the error print to print to the console

[spark ridge]

what? lol

you make println?

[nimble quail]

i mean writing code that doesn't need a try/except to function

catching unexpected behavior/input without crashing

[elder scaffold]

Error#getError() has a 20% chance to error

[nimble quail]

e.g. taking an input, checking if it's the right type before trying to use it

[valid jetty]

try {
    do_thing();
    do_thing2();
} catch(err) {
    throw err;
}
``` who threw an exception? who CARES?? just send it up to the higher part of the code lol not my problem

[dawn ledge]

yeah this is a pita

[nimble quail]

let me grab an example of what i mean

[valid jetty]

to be honest once you learn that jp is sort of backwards from english in the word order it almost makes perfect sense

[dawn ledge]

go "tries" to make this better by the if err != nil for every fallible call but that too ends up as a return err
analogus to catching and rethrowing

[spark ridge]

lets go to heven

try {
    do_thing();
    do_thing2();
} catch(err) {
    for (;;) {
        throw err;
    }
}

[valid jetty]

on the other hand.. java exceptions……….

there is no “good” way to do error handling

[dawn ledge]

yeah; cjk language do be like that

[valid jetty]

i love the way element does errors but maybe that’s just me

[dawn ledge]

love zig
love making vtables manually

[spark ridge]

Kanji「Next is me」

[nimble quail]

nevermind, i did end up using try/except. but i do see how it can be avoided

[valid jetty]

lol yeah

-> He with park go
<- I’ll go the park with him

[elder scaffold]

what if python but negative tabs

    if ...:
  if ...:
...

[dawn ledge]

already done

python users have made every horror possible with python

even python with braces

[elder scaffold]

bython

[valid jetty]

by the way @spark ridge you might like https://github.com/acquitelol/ichigo lol

[dawn ledge]

nintendo switching asap

[spark ridge]

is this programming language that use japanese? lol

[dawn ledge]

yes

[valid jetty]

yes 🎀

do you love

関数　メイン（）『
    整数　値　＝　乗算（
        加算（
            乗算（13、2）、
            減算（23、10）
        ）、
        乗算（5、2）
    ）。

    整数　ミクの数　＝　除算（値、剰余（100、90））。
    プリント（「%d\n」、ミクの数）。
』

[elder scaffold]

https://pygyat.vercel.app/

[dawn ledge]

that is one visual basic looking ahh translation

[spark ridge]

i can't believe that this was made by someone who is not a native japanese speaker

[valid jetty]

lol i’ve been learning for a little while now

there’s a lot you can do with time and a dictionary

[dawn ledge]

jp spreads far and wide
too many weebs around :^) /lh

oh damn zig has exactly what i wasn trying to do

[valid jetty]

i swear zig and odin have EVERYTHING

and jai

[nimble quail]

secSinceMidnight = None
while secSinceMidnight is None:
    try:
        secSinceMidnight = int(input('Enter time in seconds since midnight: \n'))
    except:
        print('INVALID VALUE; TRY AGAIN\n')

trying to rewrite this to suck less and also not need try/except
i do still want to catch invalid inputs though
i'm thinking i keep the while none loop intact but instead of try/excepting i use an if to check the type and only let it break when i get what i want
thoughts?

[spark ridge]

wow
keep up the good work on your japanese.
lets talk with me in japanese someday

[lavish frigate]

see https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2024&gist=4e02838811b22f32b80bd8d89c8b1626

[valid jetty]

[lavish frigate]

for how rust does error handling

ps: code wont run

borrow checker moment

[spark ridge]

why you dont need try/except?

[valid jetty]

you forgot the best one of them all
let my_string = function_that_errors()?

[lavish frigate]

right

if you have a question mark at the end you just pass through the error if there is one

[nimble quail]

someone said using try/except is a bad habit

[lavish frigate]

though your functions return type must also match

[valid jetty]

(which is the same as try/except was my point)

[valid jetty]

well yeah because it doesn’t make intuitive sense otherwise

[dawn ledge]

untrue
you can implement From

[valid jetty]

if you return an Option and you have a Result and you use ? the operator would return a Result even though the function returns Option

it just doesn’t make any sense

[lavish frigate]

not really, you cant just have a global exception handler at the top unless every single function returns a result and thats incredibly tedious and not as easy as "just throw the exception bro!"

[wheat kernel]

erveryones against u lil bro

[frosty obsidian]

windows >>>

[wheat kernel]

keep linux to servers and android

[valid jetty]

i mean you can if you let your result propagate all the way to your main function

[dawn ledge]

i meant if you have func_a -> Result<(), Foo> and func_b -> Result<(), Bar> you can use func_a()? in func_b if Bar implements From<Foo>

[lavish frigate]

yeah exactly but thats tedious

[frosty obsidian]

linux doesn't even have ads built in, so lame

[wheat kernel]

ikr i need something to complain abt

[dawn ledge]

im just that goated

[wheat kernel]

whats the point othjerwise

[dawn ledge]

more haters than lovers (0)

[wheat kernel]

u got exactly one characteristic that's similar to a goat

[spark ridge]

i have the desire to speak, but I can't express myself well in English
sry

[frosty obsidian]

linux lets me use my pc but windows makes me feel alive

[nimble quail]

current thought process:
for each character in the string...
check if character is int
if all characters are int,
set output to the int of the string

avoiding using try/except

[dawn ledge]

ong stfu

i dont wanna know

[wheat kernel]

jk vro ur my goat

❤️

ru gonna dual boot ur new laptop

[dawn ledge]

no

[wheat kernel]

wtf bros staying on win

[dawn ledge]

i am not on a laptop

[nimble quail]

laptop gaming

[lavish frigate]

use my options 👹

[dawn ledge]

my laptop (which was my primary device) is waiting for me to get it a new charger

and im desperately waiting to move back to linux

[valid jetty]

@dawn ledge one feature that i wanted to implement (but i dont know how) is runtime type-based contracts for function signatures

fn add(0 <= i32 <= 5 x, 500 <= i32 y) {
    return x + y;
}

fn main() {
    add(1, 600); // success
    add(-1, 500); // ERROR: x's contract `0 <= i32 <= 5` was not upheld
}
``` maybe you wanna try to implement it?

[dawn ledge]

comptime?

[spark ridge]

cant you just use argument types?

[valid jetty]

runtime, otherwise it means the function itself must also be constexpr

[lavish frigate]

i dont get the point of this

[valid jetty]

https://gist.github.com/acquitelol/1c61dfb8e5f3a246c3e307526c5b7656

[dawn ledge]

this feels like syntax sugar for just
fn add(i64 x, i32 y) { if 0 > x || x > 5 { throw error } }

[valid jetty]

instead of needing to check constraints in the function and return with an error you can just put it in the signature

[lavish frigate]

in my reimplementation i tried to copy the let Some syntax 😭

[valid jetty]

how would that work..?

[lavish frigate]

it was horrible realising js cannot pass values by reference

[lavish frigate]

^^

see

[valid jetty]

lmaooo

[hoary sluice]

me when i update my qml file, clean, rebuild, delete build dir, reboot and it still doesnt update the ui

[valid jetty]

oh

i see

[lavish frigate]

you create a ref which is a proxy and yea 😭

typescript doesnt have macros!!! annoying!

[dawn ledge]

chloe when
when
when
not writing insane code

[valid jetty]

yeah you cant even do this

[lavish frigate]

never i always write insane code

[valid jetty]

same

@lavish frigate ```ts

function callableArray<T>(...array: T[]) {
const _closure: (index: number) => T = (() => {}) as any;
const typedClosure = _closure as unknown as typeof _closure & typeof array;

array.toString = function() {
    return `[${array.map(element => JSON.stringify(element, null, 2))}]`;
}

const proxy = new Proxy(typedClosure, {
    get(_, prop: string, __) {
        return !isNaN(+prop) ? array[+prop] : Reflect.get(array, prop, array);
    },

    set(_, prop: string, handler) {
        !isNaN(+prop) && (array[+prop] = handler)
        return true;
    },

    apply(_, __, [index]) {
        if (typeof index === 'number') {
            return array[index];
        }

        return null;
    }
});

return proxy;

}

const arr = callableArray("a", "b", "c");
console.log(arr[0] === arr(0)); // true

[dawn ledge]

fwiw
you can have and uninitialized var

let x;
if (x = foo()) {
}

[spark ridge]

i'll sleep
good night bros

[valid jetty]

gn !!

[lavish frigate]

omg amazing

[lavish frigate]

good night!!

[hoary sluice]

nah this is actually crazy

[lavish frigate]

MaxListenersExceededWarning: Possible EventEmitter memory leak detected. 101 POPOUT_SHOW listeners added. Use emitter.setMaxListeners() to increase limit

[lavish frigate]

red squiggly lines...

[dawn ledge]

thats jsut biome malding

[hoary sluice]

i did everything stack overflow and claude said and everything you could possibly do

1. verify i changed the right file
2. make the build depend on qml files in .pro file
3. clean & rebuild
4. delete build dir
5. delete any cached files
6. reboot
7. add engine.clearComponentCache();
   IT STILL DOES NOT REFLECT MY CHANGES

[lavish frigate]

have you tried using claude + chatgpt + gemini + deepseek together

[hoary sluice]

qt is awesome sometimes but feels like 1970 most of the time

[valid jetty]

this is why you use macos

[hoary sluice]

this has absolutely nothing to do with the os im using

i could be on haikuos itd be the same

[lavish frigate]

do you use macos...

[valid jetty]

i have fedora and macos on 2 different machines

[hoary sluice]

also have fun doing Qt on macos i think youre gonna have a really hard time

[lavish frigate]

ah!

qt is funny

i made a project on my windows desktop everything worked perfectly fine

i transfered it to my old surface

and it just constantly segfaulted there

0 code changes

[hoary sluice]

I FIXED IT

[lavish frigate]

the joy in that message transcends the internet and screen barrier

[hoary sluice]

i had to grab the qml directly from the file system to make it reload at all

    #ifdef QT_DEBUG
        const QString qmlPath = QCoreApplication::applicationDirPath() + "/../../qml/Main.qml";
        engine.load(QUrl::fromLocalFile(qmlPath));
    #else
        engine.load(QUrl("qrc:/qml/Main.qml"));
    #endif

also for the record idk if theres a method to append to dir path you have to append /path not just path because its direct string manipulation

[dawn ledge]

@valid jetty i feel like im getting somewhere with the non-rustification

that was insanely rude and offensize @solid gazelle smh ||/j||

[lavish frigate]

@solid gazelle

[solid gazelle]

:)

[valid jetty]

swift + zig also i just got blinded

[hazy pine]

interesting program

[solid gazelle]

are you making a laguage

[lavish frigate]

the ultimate de-rustification would be to make everything public by default and then use priv and remove pub

[valid jetty]

or you could do what i did and make it toggleable

[dawn ledge]

yes

[valid jetty]

[hazy pine]

ive tried rust a little and honestly i dont get the appeal

[dawn ledge]

i unironically considered a priv keyword but given how everything is private by default unless pub is added, i felt like priv would be unnecessary bloat

[lavish frigate]

apparently rust used to have a priv keyword now its reserved

[dawn ledge]

no mention of yeet

💔

[valid jetty]

make it toggleable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[valid jetty]

@solid gazelle i meant this

[dawn ledge]

will see

[solid gazelle]

o

[elder scaffold]

make it so every function is automatically available on a http server unless the private keyword is added

[dawn ledge]

this is like the best thing zig has
it makes bitsets so much more egonomic

[jade stone]

kde so good

[valid jetty]

@dawn ledge add this feature

fn foo(x: i32) -> i32 {
    if x == 1 {
        panic!("i HATE the number 1");
    }

    x
}

fn main() {
    foo(1);
    foo(3);
}

this code wont actually compile, youll get this error

ERRROR: main.ha:3:9
It looks like you used "panic!" in your code. 

Are you okay? How are you feeling? Are you feeling stressed? Do you wanna talk about it? 

I'm here for you 💖

[jade stone]

@valid jetty add cargo-mommy to elle

[valid jetty]

u28 🥀

[dawn ledge]

LOL

maybe a compiler config for that

[dawn ledge]

now hear me out, variable length integers are awesome

[valid jetty]

yeah they are

implementing them into your compiler though.................

[hazy pine]

whats the use

[lavish frigate]

real!

[dawn ledge]

elle-mommy

[lavish frigate]

to make it not rust like instead make it INSULT you

[valid jetty]

1. its fucking cool

do you need another reason

[hazy pine]

honestly

based

[lavish frigate]

(ellec error message)
mommy always knew her little girl would fail... 💔

[valid jetty]

YEARS of char x[28] yet no real use found

[hoary sluice]

how do i commit often if the changes i make are moving to another technology and completely break everything and are not done yet

[dawn ledge]

make a new branch and push broken commits

what i would do is make a new file for the new implementation and slowly stub it out

// a.rs
fn foo() { ... /* old code */ }
fn bar() { ... /* old code */ }

// a_new.rs
fn foo() { ... /* new code */ }

// a.rs (again)
fn foo() { a_new::foo() }

[hoary sluice]

that would mean i have to duplicate everything besides the readme and the license

[dawn ledge]

or do it in the same file

// a.rs
fn foo() { new::foo() }
fn bar() { ... /* old code */ }

mod new {
  fn foo() { ... /* new code */ }
}

[hoary sluice]

thats more horror than pushing a broken commit

[dawn ledge]

idk what language youre using

[dawn ledge]

no its not

[hoary sluice]

#ifdef RETARDED

[dawn ledge]

this is how its done

alright fuck off

[hoary sluice]

i meant the old code is retarded not you lol

[valid jetty]

make a second branch and commit things while theyre all still broken them merge with squash into main

[nimble bone]

mommy in her abusive era...

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty theyre killing cve

[median root]

I swear they changed that last min

[hoary sluice]

elon is taking down cve

this is a good thing

the usa will collapse

in sha Allah

[supple whale]

gj discord, you forgot to implement game invites!

[valid jetty]

woke up today to the uk becoming usa

[hoary sluice]

why

[balmy lintel]

what are game invites

i think thats under apps

lol

[supple whale]

nope it aint

oh great, the name field for RPC is no longer modififable?

so now, only oauth activities can change the name dynamically

awfull

[shrewd canopy]

I think you can through gw, although it breaks some stuff

[valid jetty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8IFL36RtAE @hoary sluice

[deep mulch]

@valid jetty hiii

one day Elle will have millions of haters

[valid jetty]

there are so many issues with it that i could see that happening

@dawn ledge hop on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCcPqhRaJqc

[dawn ledge]

true

[valid jetty]

we are SO back

[dawn ledge]

what would the most basic language look like
i mean no abstractions types or whatever
what is like the core for any language

arithmetic and function calls?

hmm ig jumps too

[fleet cedar]

Lambda calculus or turing machine

[nimble bone]

Elle in C

[dawn ledge]

i see

[valid jetty]

most basic language is one that can compile a main function with a return 0

if youre making a procedural and not functional language

[lavish frigate]

ellec stands for elle made in c dont let they tell you otherwise

[valid jetty]

i added a few more important ones but i THINK this is as far as i will be going...

the one for monomorphized generic fn Foo::x<i32>(i32 x) -> i32 is funny because i got it completely for free lol

like i just added info for function calls and this just works out of the box

[native spruce]

worst thing ever

[deep mulch]

are you playing on adding documentation

pleasee do like kdoc

[valid jetty]

https://youtu.be/mFfYORTqzog

[deep mulch]

do you eat crayons

[valid jetty]

yes

@deep mulch https://s0.slopify.dev/

open the website

[balmy lintel]

i hope you explode

[vague dew]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

this seems a little like a scam link...

[vast mesa]

Let's see what's inside and decide if it's a scam...

[vague dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249408446110109724/1254893216642236477/gifkitties_-_1751470205652332749_1.gif

[vast mesa]

If you see this as a scam link, don't use it.

[vague dew]

okie dokie

ill wait for it to be verified or whatever

[nimble bone]

i'm deleting this

• this will inevitably break quickly
• just get used to the old UI
• shady domain (why would anyone load CSS from some random domain)
• here isn't the place

[royal nymph]

shady domain (why would anyone load CSS from some random domain)
csp will block soon