🪅-progaming

[royal nymph]

so good

I appreciate the Hypr project and aim to implement a stable and mature version as part of an AI-driven OS. While I recognize that Hyprland is the actively maintained successor, my software still relies on X11 syntax, making HyprWM stability improvements crucial for my project.

AI-driven OS 🔥 🔥 🔥

[formal belfry]

: p

[formal belfry]

xD

i dont know why vaxry didnt just close it though lol

[dense sand]

[austere idol]

theres no point at closing it

[formal belfry]

?

[austere idol]

safety🚀 🚀 🚀 🧱 🐟

oh

i just noticed

this is nop

[formal belfry]

its ai generated

of course its shit

[valid jetty]

doesn’t -p make it fail silently lol

[dense sand]

no

that makes parent dirs

[valid jetty]

oh

[dense sand]

"vaxry i made this pr for you but you need to implement the error handling yourself"

bro atleast could've removed the comments to make it a bit less obvious

[formal belfry]

did u see the description of the pull request

[austere idol]

yes

[formal belfry]

i dont think he was trying to make it seem that it was legit or smthing

[dense sand]

lmao

If this request isn’t merged, that’s completely fine—I’ll maintain the fix within my own fork for continued development.
purely AI controlled forks of repos, awesome

[valid jetty]

LMAO THE FASTFETCH TITLE

😭😭😭😭

[formal belfry]

xD

[austere idol]

ur not

[formal belfry]

yes i am : )

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty does the program you were talking about where u just work at a company and get a bachelor require you to go to lectures/labs in the uni at all? if so, how many hours a week?

lleet

[formal belfry]

fudge

https://tenor.com/view/chocolate-fudge-delicious-food-porn-rich-gif-10027037

[dense sand]

mmm

[valid jetty]

from what they said you get online lectures but i dont remember how many hours a week

[hoary sluice]

and is it 6 semesters?

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty im gonna try floorp cause brodie said so

they expose a lot of about:config to visual settings which is really awesome

[valid jetty]

idk

[winged mantle]

idk it means you're on firefox esr which might not be as secure

[hoary sluice]

what else is there

theres ladybird but from what ive heard its not as well supported yet

[winged mantle]

you'll probably be fine on floorp

¯_(ツ)_/¯

firefox is also adding loads of cool features on the non-esr stable version

i think tab groups are coming soon

that's all

the main problem i have is it feels like a bit clunky

[fleet cedar]

Tab groups as in tree style or just worthless?

[winged mantle]

chrome style

does this count as tree style
you can collapse them

[pseudo sierra]

they're moving to a fast release model with floorp 12 so it's gonna use the latest ff version instead of esr

[winged mantle]

to me it feels like a bunch of features without as high quality as regular firefox

which i can understand why you would want as it means more features

but it feels like quantity rather than quality

for example they just add another sidebar which coexists with the existing one

[formal belfry]

persistent file system

[placid cape]

impressive

[lavish frigate]

have you tried applying for a job at lockheed martin? i feel like your computer programming skills could be used to make better bombs

[formal belfry]

xD

[hoary sluice]

https://proxmox.com/en/about/about-us/careers

[hoary sluice]

https://github.com/eagely/voice-backend/commit/71923bd9500d0671227d64fef2589a4b9f540019

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/ptr_to_joel/status/1900152145380602168

Joel 🇦🇺 (@ptr_to_joel) on X

team looking for engineers
ask the interviewer if the jdk is 8 or >=21
she doesn't understand
i pull out illustrated diagram explaining java 8 and java >=21
she laughs "it's a good jdk sir"
accept the offer
it's java 8

X · Mar 13, 2025, 11:49 AM

[hoary sluice]

create stream in a separate thread, send only the buffer across threads and park the thread (there will never be more than one instance of localrecorder and i dont care to enforce it because it doesnt make sense to have multiple recorders anyways)

[hoary sluice]

be me
looking for job
team looking for engineers
no degree required
2 years of work / hobby experience
80000 euros / year
java*
be me
looking for job

[ionic lake]

be me
java

[valid jetty]

JAVASCRIPT

no i disagree with java*

javascript jobs are far less insane than enterprise java

[hoary sluice]

no they arent

javascript is way more deranged than java

[lavish frigate]

>be me
>java
>my body was never found

[hoary sluice]

especially cause everyone uses a different framework/ui library

ive had to do both enterprise js (ts) and enterprise java (and kotlin)

js is much worse

[lavish frigate]

No

Wtf

[ionic lake]

everyone uses a different framework/ui library
everyone only knows of the react lingo

ui library sure. they'll have different design systems but that makes like 5% of an issue for most people

[lavish frigate]

If you’ve ever looked for a real frontend job you know maybe one in a thousand job offerings use something other than the big ones

Mostly react and fucking jquery

[fleet cedar]

Jquery still exists?

[lavish frigate]

With some vue, svelte and those other large ones sprinkled in

[lavish frigate]

Yes

[ionic lake]

much of the web is still on jquery

[placid cape]

nice

[placid cape]

yes and they're making updates

[hoary sluice]

in a 2 month internship i had to use vue, thymeleaf and angular, that company also uses react

[hoary sluice]

idk what you mean by that

but if you only know react your cv looks a lot worse for a company (most of them) that isnt purely react

[lavish frigate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hoary sluice]

theres a lot less fragmentation in embedded, you usually use firmware library x on microcontroller y which takes 5 minutes to learn if you already know one of them (gpio, interrupts, timers, etc), most of the time only the method names are different, theres a big difference if they use c or rust but usually both are used within the same company

[winged mantle]

imagine if devilbro gets internship at discoerd

[hoary sluice]

and while there is a lot of framework fragmentation in the java space (plain jee, spring, quarkus, etc) its much less than with javascript and you usually just have to maintain legacy code and dont have to write anything new, in that case you could have never used quarkus, only spring, and just jump in and know what ur doing

[lavish frigate]

?

[winged mantle]

average

devilbro would add buttons to menu with mutationobserver

[hoary sluice]

is devilbro an opp of vencord

[winged mantle]

we love devilbro

❤️

[lavish frigate]

devilbro makes plugins for betterdiscord

and they are known for being quite... "memory heavy"

[winged mantle]

❤️ I love BetterDiscord ❤️

[hoary sluice]

dont you love when floorp isnt in the official repos so you have to build it from source and then it takes up your entire cpu and you have to go touch grass

[spark tiger]

i love when when i leave sleep mode and firefox decides to use all my cpu and ram 🥰

[hoary sluice]

probably a windows issue

[spark tiger]

idk but it only happens with firefox

[jade stone]

Hop on something chromium basrd

[ionic lake]

i just hop on about:memory and minimize memory usage

it fixes it a tiny bit but yeah

[spark tiger]

oh i never knew about that. i usually just opened in-browser task manager and unloaded everything at the top

[ionic lake]

yeah i do that but nowadays i don't because the biggest offender of them is github taking >100mb

so i just close it off

[spark tiger]

i NEED to clean my tabs but im so lazy

this is honestly getting out of control

[winged mantle]

on linux every timenn i leave my pc on suspend it wakes up on its own

and also unmutes

[unique idol]

I was wondering how Vencord adds custom settings to Discord?

[lavish frigate]

custom settings?

[unique idol]

this

[lavish frigate]

the code is open source, all handled by this core plugin
https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/main/src/plugins/_core/settings.tsx

[unique idol]

oh thanks

But how to make it with only tampermonkey like the userscript version?

[lavish frigate]

vencord is incredibly complicated, it does a lot more than you think
i would not try to replicate vencord behaviour without knowing how to read vencords code
if you just want to extend discord i recommend you just use vencord and make your own plugins for it

[unique idol]

okay

[hoary sluice]

is the megumin thats mentioned in the license the nickname of a person or did vee put it in there cause its funny

[lavish frigate]

megumin is definitely a joke and not a real person in this discord server

do not look megumin up

[hoary sluice]

vencore lore

[unkempt shuttle]

eah

:)

[deep mulch]

@unkempt shuttle hiii

[formal belfry]

https://youtu.be/7c7H4XdAaxs?t=714

terry says no to hieroglyphs

[formal belfry]

xD he responded

[dawn ledge]

idt the problem is multiple changes in one pr

its just ai slop anyways

this is why ai is a bad idea :^)

[formal belfry]

xD

[hoary sluice]

this image should go in the definition of slop

[valid jetty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S4AciWmaPQ

[formal belfry]

you know its bad when the diff is 12k lines long 🔥

[hoary sluice]

sql vs css? heated debate in database design

[fleet cedar]

778kb ts file

[hoary sluice]

dw its doom in ts types

[dawn ledge]

eagely when they realize ts was/is a media format before microcorp made typescript

[austere idol]

those types are smart enough?

[lavish frigate]

Class let’s discuss
https://x.com/void_zero2/status/1900172633980695004?s=46&t=4l2ZQDMG6L-NMRnMGjD6LA

capl (@void_zero2) on X

Built the same Windows background service in C#, Rust, Go and C++ to see what the better outcome was, both product and code

This service interacts with Windows APIs (COMs), has auto update & install

Had a couple of users to test the different products and users rated them🧵

X · Mar 13, 2025, 1:10 PM

[fleet cedar]

Not much to discuss since it doesn't show more than the first entry

[formal belfry]

twitter is aids

makes me make an account

[austere idol]

dont want to register; cant read the thread

[formal belfry]

even if i wanted to make an account i dont want to do a 10 step captcha lol

[dawn ledge]

replacr x.com with nitter.net

[austere idol]

thanks

[lavish frigate]

You are all stupid smh

[fleet cedar]

Why

[lavish frigate]

https://vxtwitter.com/void_zero2/status/1900201123539259689

Im surprised by rust winning, thought c++ would be a lot better

But I guess also kinda makes sense

[lavish frigate]

Just make a shitter account and get Elon more money smh

[fleet cedar]

Hard to make a good api in a bad language after all

[fleet cedar]

I do not support nazis though

[lavish frigate]

Neither do I

You see

I upload terabytes of videos every minute

Thus directly hurting them

[royal nymph]

tldr:

rust le good because it has a COM wrapper

go le bad because this guy was too dumb to find a COM wrapper so he raw dogged it then blamed go for having to do the same exact thing that windows-rs also does but just abstracts away from you

aka the average tech tweeter

[lavish frigate]

.

[royal nymph]

Dennis said it pretty well too
https://x.com/tigawanna/status/1900416315690487918

Dennis 🇰🇪 (@tigawanna) on X

@void_zero2 " Ruet has a third party crate go doesn't haha this language sucks"

X · Mar 14, 2025, 5:18 AM

[lavish frigate]

Im going to rewrite the vencord installer in rust.

Windows only.

[lavish frigate]

Well imo that still plays a part in how well a language does in DX at a specific task

If a language already has a package that helps you of course you are gonna have a better time

[royal nymph]

but it says nothing about the language itself and is a stupid argument

you're at that point much more advocating for windows-rs than rust

you could make a much similar library for go, in fact people have done that

that's like saying python is better than Javascript because discord.py is better than discord.js

[lavish frigate]

Well

It all boils down to preference

Like any programming language discussion

Now I want to make my own little app in different languages to see how well they perform for me

Fun side project

Though I may still be biased, I just enjoy coding in rust ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I really like the current tech bro web development shift

They are starting to care about performance again https://vxtwitter.com/wcools/status/1900188438755733857?s=46&t=4l2ZQDMG6L-NMRnMGjD6LA

[fleet cedar]

Programming in languages without sum types is pain

Traits and destructors are also very nice

[royal nymph]

they really aren't

everyone making nextjs slop

[lavish frigate]

well yeah but they are improving their preferred environment to be performant and i respect that
like when someone made that nextjs plugin(? im not sure what it was exactly) to preload some pages to increase performance or making development tools like react scan

[supple whale]

legit this is actually how people compare languages

its insane to me

"hey so i used this language meant for 4bit micro controllrs which is meant to be as small and simple as possible, to run this LLM, it sucks"

yeah no fucking shit that's not its purpose

[winged mantle]

why would this be slow

how could you manage to make this slow in a modern browser engine unless you're discord

[fleet cedar]

Depends on if you want to do a http call for every page load

[lavish frigate]

and depends on how many features you want to add to your note taking app

wysiwyg editors with many features are quite large

[fleet cedar]

Things with many features are quite large as a rule of thumb

Wysigwyg or not

[lavish frigate]

you arent wrong..

[formal belfry]

bird

https://youtu.be/l0GOJNQ9AuY?t=472

[lavish frigate]

its over rusthaterbros.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2dbyFddcIs

[formal belfry]

luke smith

[lavish frigate]

i feel like rust is absolutely one of the languages for core utils of all time

[formal belfry]

one of the languages of all time

[lavish frigate]

definitely

[formal belfry]

e

[fleet cedar]

No

That letter is not permitted

[formal belfry]

perfect

[fleet cedar]

Are you making a vim

[formal belfry]

no

just bored

[winged mantle]

cool

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty i deleted coreutils

uhh

[valid jetty]

timeshift???

how do u even manage that

[hoary sluice]

i was trying to install uutils

in the process deleted coreutils

now i have uutils but its not aliased properly

[dense sand]

rust hacking

[ionic lake]

heavily abused RSCs

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty im so smart

for cmd in $(~/.cargo/bin/coreutils --list); do
    sudo ~/.cargo/bin/coreutils ln -sf /home/eagely/.cargo/bin/coreutils /usr/bin/$cmd
done

this worked

[valid jetty]

huuuuuuusk

btw @hoary sluice how do you get the mov codec playback on discord

i cant figure out what package its in

i have all the main ones and i still cant play mov videos in firefox

[hoary sluice]

idk

[valid jetty]

can you play mov

[hoary sluice]

you just said discord

[hoary sluice]

where

[valid jetty]

yeah i use discord in the browser

[hoary sluice]

hus

k

[valid jetty]

firefox/discord

[valid jetty]

no not husk

[hoary sluice]

you mean floorp

[valid jetty]

discord in firefox with the userscript

nop

im on linux rember

i use floorp on macos

[hoary sluice]

floorp exists on linux

[valid jetty]

i know

[hoary sluice]

what userscript

and i useit

[valid jetty]

i just havent gotten around to it yet

[hoary sluice]

send me a mov

[dawn ledge]

roll that clip of the talk on introducing rust jn linux and some random ass dude in the audience not letting them continue

[valid jetty]

Get the UserScript
https://vencord.dev/download/

you need tampermonkey or violentmonkey

[hoary sluice]

virus

[lavish frigate]

what...

[valid jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195907610640121856/1342143129889013852/4_5841693501573569296.mov?ex=67d590b1&is=67d43f31&hm=d86559e5463d283e6ec0a6575eeea2ca1d24b5842510ecbd8cd778dddf733d93&

no work for me

[dense sand]

same

it doesnt work for me for atleast a week now though

[valid jetty]

waitttt

other mov videos play

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209865328499236964/1339622587931557898/v09044g40000cum9fovog65qh4k2q4h0.mov?ex=67d59fc1&is=67d44e41&hm=f7ddfa3b9f7290fb643f20ab92e40e74bc73a77a38d80dfead2a13f257716f3f&

[dense sand]

its only some

[hoary sluice]

what location do i put

[valid jetty]

is this video specifically bugged

[valid jetty]

wdym

[hoary sluice]

why are u using browser discord

[dense sand]

nope its more of them

[dense sand]

i use vesktop

[hoary sluice]

why do i need to run a shell script to install a userscript

oh

ignore everything i said

[valid jetty]

firefox consumes less resources and even then, i use firefox, so having firefox for everything is beneficial

better all in firefox than some firefox some chromium all running at once

i switched spotify to my browser aswell

no theme but at least its adless

[valid jetty]

lmao

love

[hoary sluice]

why is discord so much smoother in the browser

[valid jetty]

thats exactly why i use it here

thats a known fact - its always been faster in the browser

[dawn ledge]

you havent seen/heard of that talk???

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WiPp9YEBV0Q

[hoary sluice]

i dont see vencord in settings

[valid jetty]

refresh discord are u sure the userscript is running

[hoary sluice]

oh it was enabled but not running

[valid jetty]

lmao

btw @hoary sluice if you have vencloud setup

you can just directly import all your plugins and settings from desktop to browser

[hoary sluice]

this looks like more effort than manually moving it

[lavish frigate]

what the fuck

also thank god for that youtube frequency graph feature thing

[valid jetty]

???

Authorize
Enable Sync Settings
Sync with Cloud

go to browser

Authorize
Sync from Cloud

so hard

[hoary sluice]

starting a docker container is more effort than enabling 3 plugins

[valid jetty]

oh

i have quite a lot of plugins lol

[placid cape]

@valid jetty what browser do you use

[valid jetty]

right now plain firefox that came preinstalled on fedora

[placid cape]

Have you tried zen?

I'm just looking for lightweight browser

Chrome takes so much memory

[valid jetty]

i have but zen and floorp are quite unstable atm

firefox is using about 700mb of mem with 4 tabs open (albeit 3/4 of those tabs are heavy apps, discord spotify youtube jisho)

imo thats far better than chrome can do

i havent compared it tho

[placid cape]

My chrome takes over 1GB on 2 tabs

where 1 tab is ytb music

[hoary sluice]

zen is nowhere close to lightweight

zed destroyed my ram and cpu when i tried it

[placid cape]

What do you use

[hoary sluice]

floorp

[placid cape]

And floorp is based on firerox?

[hoary sluice]

yes

[dawn ledge]

whoever saying chrome takes up too much mem is capping
i be running chrome in the background with literally 500+ tabs open in the background and i can compile my rust projects just fine (i dont even have crazy ram on my laptop)
heck even my old ass phone handles 500+ tabs on mobile well

[valid jetty]

yea thats zed

they dont do procedural file loading

[hoary sluice]

i meant

zen

[valid jetty]

oh

lol

[hoary sluice]

i typed zed out of memory (pun not intended)

but same thing applies to zed

[valid jetty]

i tried to load the discord mobile decompiled pseudojs bundle on zed

it tried to load the whole 3 million line file into memory at once

vscode would load it in chunks

[hoary sluice]

yea i dont load big projects into zed

[valid jetty]

and zed tried to syntax highlight it all at once too lol

[hoary sluice]

and most of the memory used by zed is r-a lol

[valid jetty]

it killed my whole laptop

[dawn ledge]

vscode dies

[valid jetty]

vscode handles really big files surprisingly well

[hoary sluice]

are you using vscode now

[valid jetty]

no

im using nvim

[hoary sluice]

that works too

are you not using zed at all tho

[dawn ledge]

i havent found a good editor for large files
even my primary editor (nvim) chokes up on minified files with 3k+ lines

[valid jetty]

i use zed when working on elle/anything elle related like いちご

[valid jetty]

try open it in vscode xd

[dawn ledge]

oh thats even worse

it just quits

[valid jetty]

huhh

[dawn ledge]

one good thing in vs is that it doesnt do syntax highlight for large files
which well makes it load
but also makes it hard to read

[valid jetty]

it does?? you probably selected it to disable when it asked

iirc it asks if you want to load in chunks, load all, or disable altogether

[worldly sigil]

i think sublime text is supposed to handle large files decently iirc, but sublime text is kinda mid nowadays

[dawn ledge]

yeah well if i dont disable it crashes
if i enable after loading it freezes

my solution is to just cat it and pipe it to less
if im not gonna get syn highlight i might as well not spin another chrome instance

[dawn ledge]

since i have ehm a bit ehm of a tabs issue

:3

[placid cape]

How much memory do you have

[dawn ledge]

on my laptop? 6gb

somehow works

[placid cape]

lol

6gb for ram is weird

you added 2gb ram yourself?

[dawn ledge]

no

[hoary sluice]

@placid cape floorp feels a lot smoother and faster idk if its placebo or if it actually is faster but it certainly feels like it

[placid cape]

I'll try it thanks

[hoary sluice]

but its main offerings is more visual customization instead of about:config

[ionic lake]

react

[lavish frigate]

rust isnt ram heavy rust is disk space heavy with all the cache its creating smh

[lavish frigate]

😨

[valid jetty]

defualt

[ionic lake]

love me some The inferred type of 'forwarded' cannot be named without a reference to '.pnpm/@vue+shared@3.5.13/node_modules/@vue/shared'. This is likely not portable. A type annotation is necessary.

[unkempt shuttle]

what the fuck

thanks

[native spruce]

@woven mesa look how awesome this is

[unkempt shuttle]

verboselang is my favourite

[native spruce]

whats verboselang

[unkempt shuttle]

whatever you have going on in the screenshot

[native spruce]

swift?

[unkempt shuttle]

yes

i like how the classnames are so long

[native spruce]

I did something a bit hacky and made my own stuff for making ui

[unkempt shuttle]

and the property names

[unkempt shuttle]

nice!

what sort of ui does this snippet produce?

[native spruce]

I got so used to them being so long LOL

[unkempt shuttle]

i feel like the upper limit for capital letters in a PascalCase name should be 3 but also it's kinda funny

[unkempt shuttle]

nice!

[native spruce]

I hated how awful it was to make stuff like this manually so I just made something easy for me to use without much effort

[unkempt shuttle]

yeah it's really a pleasure when you get to do things like that

[unkempt shuttle]

noo

make it stop

[native spruce]

ive been trying a lot of stuff out recently, class inheritance was one big thing that I wanted to extensively try out

the code is so much easier to read

looove it

[unkempt shuttle]

OOP, when applied correctly, can sometimes resemble a useful language

[native spruce]

tbh I don't write a lot of repeating code outside of ui so I probably wont use it as much (or probably never) as much as I do here

[unkempt shuttle]

yay

[native spruce]

I think oop kicks ass for ui

[unkempt shuttle]

i partially agree

there are certain parts of it that just make it better for OOP

but the way other paradigms conceptualise and otherwise handle data / data paths can be better imo

alas i am very tired and will lay down

i'll uh probably check this channel in like 5 minutes

[torn seal]

huhhh

TS is being rewritten in Go

idk if it's just the compiler

[unkempt shuttle]

it is indeed

[torn seal]

or if the LSP is as well

[unkempt shuttle]

probably the latter at first

there's probably a changelog for tsv7 somewhere

i think it's both actually

[torn seal]

ic

[unkempt shuttle]

https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go

mentions lsp

go nuts

haha see what i did there

[jade stone]

Parts of the LSP afaik

[dense sand]

who thought of making strings half class half native object in jvm and told to themselve that thats a good idea

[placid cape]

They'll finally use lsp for typescript in vscode

[fleet cedar]

Probably same fool who did the same thing with Class

[dawn ledge]

its both

[ionic lake]

cargo will get garbage collection in a future update

(((cargo, not rust)))

[unkempt shuttle]

oh, cargo::core::gc has been around for a while i thought?

[fleet cedar]

You mean for cleaning out unneded stuff from target/?

[unkempt shuttle]

it's cargo clean

[austere idol]

realtime raytracing on arduino?

[dawn ledge]

cargo clean yeets everything

[unkempt shuttle]

depends on the timescale you consider "real"

[unkempt shuttle]

you'd think cargo clean is configurable

[hoary sluice]

tracing actual real life rays?

what abt it

[dawn ledge]

16ms

[lavish frigate]

LMAO???
https://vxtwitter.com/patrosi73/status/1900912374002934181?s=46&t=4l2ZQDMG6L-NMRnMGjD6LA

[dense sand]

so this is the vibe coding everyones talking about

build kinda cool product but be a complete idiot and therefore leave a giant security hole

[unkempt shuttle]

NO FUCKING WAY LOL

[nimble bone]

ofc it uses bun (therefore it is inherently terrible)

[unkempt shuttle]

what's bad about bun?

[nimble bone]

#🧊-off-topic-iceman-only message excluding binary lockfile part

[lavish frigate]

1.1. you can still be production ready without supporting an OS (depending on the use case its actually good even! means more time spent on supporting features) and bun now does more for windows compatibility than node for its entire lifetime with its shell standard library being able to convert common commands into their native implementations... (the aim of no more different commands for different operating systems is really cool!) https://bun.sh/docs/runtime/shell
1.2. you can be production ready without full node package support. At least production ready for most people means that its not riddled with bugs. You can very much develop an entire application in the first production ready release of bun and of course they are still ironing out issues that make some node packages not be supported.
2. bun actively goes against some standards and i at least think going against standards is neutral, you can go against and do stuff like for example rename the cli flag for no reason (bad) or just automatically load .env files like bun does! (good), you cannot say something is objectively just bad because it goes against standards, i can name more things like the extension of fetch which a bunch of hyper node nerds bashed bun on (completely unnecessarily) even though its pretty good.
2.2. going back to 1.2, going against standards also means you cannot have 100% support with existing node packages! and thats fine! because people will still make it work, and thats again why i think complaining about no full package support when you arent actively affected by it is pointless
3. the discontinued argument is pointless because like... what if node just gets discontinued, lol... anything can just get discontinued and while yes bun does have a higher chance of discontinued due to being new it also has a chance of staying around or even permanently "staining" the ecosystem due to being open source and people continuing to develop it after its shutdown
4. cmon, even the article you linked says its problems with it is a stretch, also it was also always able to translate it back to lock and its also now outdated https://bun.sh/blog/bun-lock-text-lockfile

but just like with everything, its up to personal preference! if bun works for people it works! an example from me: my PC at work is actual garbage, im sure it was made in like 2012 with a couple of components upgraded. It runs like absolute shit. But i mean it is okay enough for me to be able to do my work. But well now when i connect to our development server, go to any js project with any large-ish framework (next, nuxt, svelte, you name it) and an even just medium sized code base. Then try running npm run dev/npm run build it takes literally.... 10 minutes... to compile... this was quite literally impossible for me to work with. I drop in replaced npm with bun and guess what! it went down to 1 minute. Actually amazing tool for me.
so whatever you use, npm, bun, esbuild(?) just use what works best for you! no need to hate on runtimes

[supple whale]

oh yes, actually good bun rant

it also pisses me the fuck off

i hate bun for their giga fake advertising

like yeah, what they are doing is GIGA cool, but dont say you're the best and production ready, when you're still like 3 years off actually being usable for anything more complex than a 2+2

[lavish frigate]

ive never had any problems with it for anything ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i guess thats just me though

[royal nymph]

lc.gem summarise this

[visual shell]

Unable to generate response.

[lavish frigate]

if you respond to my message using AI im going to throw the message right into the trash im not gonna argue with ai if i wanna do that im gonna go on chatgpt 😭

[royal nymph]

gemini went like "nah this is too much yapping i cant summarise"

[royal nymph]

nono i was asking it to summarise

[lavish frigate]

smh

[royal nymph]

not respond

[royal nymph]

lc.gpt summarise this

[visual shell]

1.1. you can still be production ready without su…

{
  "summary": "The text discusses the advantages and considerations of using Bun, an alternative JavaScript runtime to Node.js. It highlights that while Bun may not fully support all node packages or all operating systems, it offers benefits like improved Windows compatibility and faster development speeds due to its unique shell standard library. It argues that not adhering strictly to standards can be positive, exemplified by Bun's automatic .env file loading and innovative fetch extension. The notion of Bun being potentially discontinued is dismissed as speculative since any tool can face discontinuation. The text concludes by emphasizing personal preference and suitability as the key factors in choosing between runtimes like Node.js and Bun. Specifically, Bun substantially reduced compile times on an underpowered work PC, showcasing its efficiency in real-world scenarios."
}

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[royal nymph]

improved Windows compatibility ?????

[dense sand]

im thinking of switching to deno tbh

given i use nextjs a lot

[royal nymph]

what does nextjs have to do with deno?

[dense sand]

Bun works horribly with nextjs

And i still want to try something new

[lavish frigate]

making native apps is like shooting yourself into the foot, though ive been microdosing on bullets by programming with js so i will make a good native app, even if i lose my foot in the end

[placid cape]

It doesn't make sense to use deno instead of node

[balmy lintel]

the hell is vibe coding

[spark tiger]

basically ai coding afaik

[unkempt shuttle]

kill

[balmy lintel]

husk

[hoary sluice]

me when i put a chromium inside your chromium and call it a website stealer

(it probably just curls the website and puts it in a div

[lavish frigate]

no

it downloads the site and feeds it to AI

[hoary sluice]

oh does it actually copy

lmao

[lavish frigate]

yes

with ai

[supple whale]

well yes but no

[lavish frigate]

im not kidding

[supple whale]

it doesnt do raw js

[hoary sluice]

does the ai just spit out the same thing

[supple whale]

it makes it into some framework project

so its not raw js

[hoary sluice]

oh

[unkempt shuttle]

i feel like there's a way to do this algorithmically (or ideally not at all)

[hoary sluice]

its just a chatgpt wrapper

with a vibe coded embedded browser

[spark tiger]

https://vxtwitter.com/rebane2001/status/1900480704716124342

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[pearl vine]

Fuck, wrong channel

[dense sand]

Elaborate

[placid cape]

Why would you use something that has nearly the same perf as a node

[dense sand]

it feels more fancy xD

its true that at that point it doesnt matter

[placid cape]

Deno was great until they added nom support

[fleet cedar]

Why would a js runtime support rust parser combinators

[hoary sluice]

why would you use js

[dense sand]

i wonder if i can manage to compile my jvm to wasm so i get java in browser again

i mean theres teavm

[elder scaffold]

are there even any uses for that other than to phish people

[spark tiger]

idk prob no

like it doesn't even do anything crazy

it literally just downloads the site and makes it worse

[placid cape]

Wasm is horrible, good luck

[supple whale]

OH THIS IS A TRICK QUESTION

log2 scale!

wasm is okay on dogshit hardware, useless on good hardware, but usually better than js

the problem is cost of entry and program complexity

[dense sand]

I can compile my vm using emscriten and then somehow use it

[meager turret]

no horizontal lines on the graph :(

[austere idol]

long long long x = 0;

🔥

[placid cape]

well im talking about the control flow

gotos, labels

[supple whale]

hm, i'm not sure i understand

[supple whale]

it was my first time making a performance graph with excel, i'm still not too sure how to improve it

[dense sand]

by not using excel

/s

[supple whale]

for me the biggest problem with WASM, is that its not "free" performance, the binaries are fucking massive, it still needs to be compiled after js is compiled, so the load times are even bigger, you need to ship multiple binaries based on browser capabilties like SIMD, memory64 etc, and you also need another separate build and tooling process and learn another language

its a steep price to pay for... not that much performance

[meager turret]

i think mainly horizontal lines to showcase the IOPS would be useful as since its a log2 scale right now its hard to see how much higher WASM is compared to js at the rightmost side of the graph

[supple whale]

yeah i know i had the exact same issue

i just couldnt get excel to render them

[meager turret]

i see, fair enough

[supple whale]

ik but i couldnt find anything else that transform and organise the data, while also rendering a graph while i'm doing it

with excel i can just dump all the data i have, it nicely groups it, i dont need to worry about intervals, sizes, density or scale

it handles all of that for me

[dense sand]

are there any cli tools whcih would allow to measure/perf memroy usage in my program

(profilers)

[meager turret]

maybe flamegraph? i never used it so idk how it works

not sure if you actually embed it in your project or just use it on any binary

this one i mean https://github.com/flamegraph-rs/flamegraph

aha

seems like no memory bench tho

[dense sand]

wait i think i remember using gprof or sometzhing like that

[unkempt shuttle]

@dense sand platform?

[dense sand]

amd64?

linux

[unkempt shuttle]

ah, linux

the perf book mentions heaptrack and bytehound

or you can just use htop

[placid cape]

https://github.com/WebAssembly/design/issues/796

[supple whale]

oh yeah dont care, compiler does it for me

you'd have to be unhined to write wasm by hand

and i'm unsure how that will affect performance

we have jumps and longjumps with mem64 so it doesnt really matter that much

[placid cape]

Yes but because of this it's way more complicated to create a compiler

And there's also some performance stuff

[supple whale]

Object.entries(Object.groupBy(Object.values($saved), saved => saved.update ?? ''))

jesus christ js

why

this feels so wrong

i'm iterating 3 fucking times

XD

well 4 cuz i'm putting that in a foreach

[dawn ledge]

most efficient code

please do better

well doesnt matter ig

since its js

[supple whale]

yeah its gonna be 40 iterations in total

vs 10

negligible difference

but writing that made me shiver

i felt disgusted

i feel like my lazy parsing with new URL is gonna be more problematic

xd

[hoary sluice]

@placid cape

i found a really fast speech to text api

i stated a goal of sub 1 second and i think it might actually be reachable

https://deepgram.com/

u get 200$ of free credits

and its so fast to the point where the bottleneck is getting the weather and not transcribing the audio

[placid cape]

wow okay amazing thanks

that's probably even faster than Google's one?

[hoary sluice]

idk i havent used google

i just had local whisper

[placid cape]

you can use google for free because they have the API key in chrome

And their exposed key is used for like 5 years I guess

[hoary sluice]

i timed it manually (probably kinda imprecise but good enough), from stopping recording to weather showing up with deepgram is 1.88 seconds, local whisper takes 2.3 seconds altho im surprised that its so fast

i guess the bottleneck was parsing and not speech to text cause im using the pattern match parser here

which just detects if the string "weather" or the string "whether" is in the input

[hoary sluice]

huh

they have a free public api key??

[dawn ledge]

speech to text when accents

[placid cape]

yes 💀

[hoary sluice]

oh it works fine

[placid cape]

https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/314600475

[hoary sluice]

next week im gonna speedrun a bunch of random free online apis for my microservices cause theyre really easy to implement (just steal my ollama client and rewrite the json parsing) and this needs to run on a raspberry pi

thats actually crazy

[placid cape]

I'm building zed right now hehe

[hoary sluice]

zed git integration is awesome

[placid cape]

And it looks like they don't care at all

[hoary sluice]

mainly cause of this button

[placid cape]

yea I want to finally try it

That's why I'm building

[hoary sluice]

oh cause ur on void

[placid cape]

yea

[hoary sluice]

there should be a 'git uncommit' that just rolls back the commit without messing up the reflog

the google stt is kinda garbage tho

if its the same one that hey google uses

chatgpt is much better

and that probably uses whisper

you can muffle really hard and chatgpt will still transcribe it perfectly

[placid cape]

google stt probably works differently that whisper

idk if they actually use ai or something else like vosk

[hoary sluice]

what does vosk do

[placid cape]

They use kaldi

https://kaldi-asr.org/doc/

[hoary sluice]

didn't know u could make stt without ai

[placid cape]

i mean they use some sort of ai and models but it's not deep learning

you know

i don't actually know how it exactly works so

[hoary sluice]

yea but i meant they dont just feed a bunch of clips of people talking into a NN and let it train for 3 years

[placid cape]

do i have to somehow enable the git integration?

nvm i forgot to install the pkg xd

[hoary sluice]

what pkg

[placid cape]

zed package

i only built it

forgot to do xi zed

[hoary sluice]

lmao

[placid cape]

google gemini in copilot lol

[hoary sluice]

it has 3.7??

since when

[supple whale]

you should really consider some of the whisper forks

they are insane for how light they are to run

i worked with it once, and i was utterly shocked by how fast and accurate whisper is

idfk what all the shitty voice assistants are doing in comparison

[hoary sluice]

still too slow for a raspberry pi

[supple whale]

because whisper just fucking works, always

ah fuck

yeah ur cooked

[hoary sluice]

meh

not the base model

[supple whale]

:^)

[hoary sluice]

large takes 2 minutes on a midrange gpu

aint no way they can speed it up 120x right

[supple whale]

well you can speed it up a fuckload by reducing the data size

you can unironically compress audio before feeding it to whisper, and it speeds it up a fuckload, while not sacrificing much if any accuracy

[hoary sluice]

can whisper stream real time?

[hoary sluice]

lmao what

[supple whale]

if you code it that way, yeah

we did

we had a live transcription service

like a phone dictaphone thing

[hoary sluice]

i mean is it worse if its live

[supple whale]

not really no

you just stream the data output

same as you do with say the gpt models etc

its a bit of work tho

[hoary sluice]

thing is its still a raspberry so using any online api is gonna be faster but im probably gonna do fasterwhisper too

[supple whale]

since well you just get a data stream in and out

so u gotta build around it

[hoary sluice]

idk if streaming audio is really in scope for me rn

[supple whale]

it might be cheaper to host fasterwhisper urself tbf

[hoary sluice]

deadline is april 4th and i still need to finish the thesis itself

[supple whale]

oh shit

yeah ur cooked brotha

[hoary sluice]

u get 200$ free credits

[supple whale]

ignore me then

rush

[hoary sluice]

well i have a finished product

or an mvp of sorts

[hoary sluice]

see here

[ornate quiver]

i'm not sure how to obtain the dpi from browser
my website has a canvas that draws based on width/height
the issue is that when the dpi is high everything looks cluttered so i need to draw less

so i need the physical size of the screen or something similar to that

actually wait that sounds stupid

guhhh what do i do

[supple whale]

window.devicePixelRatio

you're welcome

const targetHeight = height * devicePixelRatio

if you dont have a high pixel density display you can test this by zooming in/out

that changes devicePixelRatio

i spent a LOT of time working with canvases

i know a thing or two lol

[ornate quiver]

unfortuantely that is literally just 2 most of the time

[supple whale]

welp, that is the devicePixelRatio of your display & browser combined then

[ornate quiver]

guu

[supple whale]

sounds like DPI isnt ur issue

but its some A/B problem

[ornate quiver]

yeah idk what im missing

[supple whale]

i've used devicePixelRatio for years, and its the solution to this

its possible you have some anti spying shit which spoofs devicePixelRatio

i've seen that

[wheat kernel]

all of the time pretty sure

i think all mainstream browsers have it hardcoded now

like most of the navigator props

[ornate quiver]

damn

[deep mulch]

@ornate quiver do you think i need to remember the Brush

[frosty obsidian]

probably not

[deep mulch]

for some reason the cache is being invalidated in one of the other pickers when it shoudlnt be

guhh it makes no sense

https://github.com/zt64/compose-pipette/blob/main/core/src/commonMain/kotlin/dev/zt64/compose/pipette/ColorCircle.kt

[ornate quiver]

no

[deep mulch]

the json file says "knownUnstableArguments": 3, but theres no unstable args in the composables report

how is it using cache after i deleted the build folders

[hoary sluice]

zootie you are so smart

can we trade aoc knowledge for compose knowledge

[deep mulch]

never

[ionic hamlet]

opening this channel specifically to post this screenshot and then never coming here again 🔥

[lavish frigate]

sprint is a stupid name

and then stupid languages like php copy it and make sprintf

[dawn ledge]

println!() my beloved

[lavish frigate]

🔥

format!()

[lavish frigate]

because there sprint prints the formatted string to stdout (or i guess the web page . . . .) and sprintf returns the string (who thought of this shit ???)

nvm im stupid i was always using a php framework that does this shit !!! sprint doesnt exist in vanilla php

[hoary sluice]

pretty sure c also has sprintf

[lavish frigate]

tf does sprint do then

[hoary sluice]

https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/io/fprintf

[fleet cedar]

That's sprintf

Not sprint

[hoary sluice]

sprint is just without formatting no?

[fleet cedar]

That's called strcpy

[hoary sluice]

does the f stand for formatting

true

yea there is no sprint();

sprint would just be strcpy

[lavish frigate]

😭 huh

ill make c 2

(its just c with better function names)

[hoary sluice]

https://c3-lang.org/

[lavish frigate]

ending it all

[balmy lintel]

missing

[fleet cedar]

Got packet in sock

[lavish frigate]

in sock

[supple whale]

https://discord.com/blog/announcing-discords-social-sdk-helping-power-your-games-social-experiences

i wonder how awful of an idea for security this is

[mellow phoenix]

HUSK

[winged mantle]

idk but at least when discord adds a bad feature it's funny

[stoic helm]

oh shit that came out today??

literally just used that for rich presence because it had a premade unity setup

had no clue

[lavish frigate]

..?

whats bad about this

[supple whale]

riiiight

[lavish frigate]

i think its cool

[supple whale]

you dont know about the 100 attacks if steam's exact implementation of this

[lavish frigate]

?

[supple whale]

doxing, dosing the user, dosing the servers the user is on, botting lobbies, joining midgame, exposing game lobbies

there's so, so, so, so much that can go wrong there

[lavish frigate]

doxing

im gonna dos discord guys (totally real)

[supple whale]

jesus did you even read the article?

its discord friend integration for games

you DOS the game servers

its stupidly easy, and insanely common for apex legends etc

[lavish frigate]

how does that lead to exposing the server the user is on

its a token system

part of this quite literally already exists

they are opening it up to everyone

• more features

which is really cool

[supple whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1128385500701544488.webp?size=48&name=clueless

[lavish frigate]

vencord users try not to hate on something just because its new challenge (impossible)

[supple whale]

nah, i've just seen this exact thing exploited many many times

[lavish frigate]

where

[supple whale]

on uplay, on steam

[lavish frigate]

uplay 😭

and steam requires having the user as a friend if you are stupid enough to put people like that on your friends list thats your fault

[supple whale]

no

no it does not

well

it did not

its patched now

but wasnt for a solid 5 years

[lavish frigate]

amazing

[supple whale]

and the same goes for uplay

[lavish frigate]

who tf cares about uplay 😭

[celest jungle]

eggs

[ornate quiver]

vibe coding moment

god I hate that

[pearl vine]

I don't believe this, if you have to build your app with 100% ai, you definitely also lack the knowledge required to host it

[lavish frigate]

Ai can just deploy the app now

[pearl vine]

[jade stone]

i love learning rust

[royal nymph]

how tf did u achieve that

[jade stone]

idk

also i restart my shell and it works fine 😭

[royal nymph]

do you have any unsafe?

or just pure rust

[jade stone]

lol cargo new just creates basic hello world boilerplate

fn main() {
println!("Hello, World!");
}

[royal nymph]

oh i assumed you had edited it with your editor

not literally used the hello world

that's hilarious

something weird in your shell?

[jade stone]

not sure

ive narrowed it down to where it will only happen on shells opened from vscode

(internal or external)

[royal nymph]

as in, it happens regularely?

[jade stone]

but now it just works fine

wait it didnt recompile

rustc main.rs && ./main always fails on a terminal opened from vscode and always works on a terminal not opened from vscode

odds are some extension is fucking with the env (prob rust analyzer)

[royal nymph]

yeah

check what's in there

run in normal and vscode shell and diff the files

env > normal
env > vscode

[jade stone]

diff so insane i have to hand edit it

[royal nymph]

why?

what's wrong

try diff -u

it does the git style instead of the horror < and > style

[jade stone]

its massive and things are weird so things like HOME and HOSTNAME are showing as different

(im using vscode visual diff)

[royal nymph]

lmao

[ornate quiver]

insane

[winged mantle]

poor soul

[hoary sluice]

did you reduce your stack size to 1 byte before running this

[winged mantle]

wouldn't it panic

oh wait

1 byte

😭

[jade stone]

node docs are confusing me
do i pass a readable or writable stream to stdout/stderr

writable makes sense in my head, but the docs arent clear

[ornate quiver]

@deep mulch i cant get zygisk to work with rootAVD

[deep mulch]

guh?

[ornate quiver]

it just doesnt apply

[deep mulch]

interesting

did you use Google play image or the aosp one

[ornate quiver]

lsposed refuses to load cause zygisk disabled

aosp

[deep mulch]

weird

what version

[ornate quiver]

rootavd ships 26400 so thats what i used

android 15

[deep mulch]

I think I've had better luck with like 12 or 13

@ornate quiver make rootavd script that doesn't have the world's worst ux

[ornate quiver]

okay i made it work
magisk 28.1 with the InstallKernelModules option

[ornate quiver]

@deep mulch have you seen android 3.0 src???
its just gone from cs.android.com???

[deep mulch]

i think android 3 was closed source

[ornate quiver]

seriously

[deep mulch]

i think so

[ornate quiver]

oh yeah

insnae

okayi found an android.jar from android 3

ugh thats not it

[deep mulch]

what are you doing

[ornate quiver]

im trying to make my xposed module theoretically work down to android 2.0

it would be funny

[deep mulch]

xposed goes that low?

[ornate quiver]

dont think so

[deep mulch]

how will you do

[ornate quiver]

theoretically

[deep mulch]

insanee

[ornate quiver]

i got down to minSdk 3 (android cupcake; 1.5)@deep mulch

[deep mulch]

how

[ornate quiver]

im amazed AGP just builds it with no changes

[deep mulch]

thats funny

[ornate quiver]

i wonder what codename android will use once it passes Z

[deep mulch]

hmm

that will be interesting

[frosty obsidian]

they just looped back to B

[fallen nebula]

Alpha

[wheat kernel]

why just 3 lmao

[deep mulch]

ask gogle

[wheat kernel]

oh they released it eventually

[deep mulch]

guhhh I keep overthinking everything
the maven coordinates
function names
states
help @ornate quiver

ColorPickerRing
ColorRingPicker
ColorRing

[ornate quiver]

put everything in one maven pkg

[royal nymph]

meds

[deep mulch]

I am

[ornate quiver]

thanks where do i get them

[deep mulch]

secret

[ornate quiver]

noooo whyy

[deep mulch]

nini

[royal nymph]

minky ate them

[ornate quiver]

java nightmare
i thought it would autobox them separately as an java.lang.Integer/Long but instead it first casts and then autoboxes it as a long anywyas ????

why would java do this

what the FUCK
if i explicitly autobox them it boxes it AGAIN into a long

@deep mulch i hate java

i couldnt figure out why my xposed module was bootlooping

oh my lord this fixed it

[dense sand]

Tragedy

[fleet cedar]

One, "explicit autobox" is just silly. Two, why do you think Integer.valueOf(x).intValue() would do anything

You are explicitly creating a Long value and are confused why you're getting a Long?

[ornate quiver]

I didn't do that

that's the compiler

which is why I am angry

[fleet cedar]

Oh, that's decompiled?

[ornate quiver]

yeah

[ornate quiver]

I had to do this to work around

[fleet cedar]

I'd just do Long.valueOf and Int.valueOf in the branches

[ornate quiver]

lol I tried that
that's what made this

[fleet cedar]

Oh

In that case, yeah, dumb af

[ornate quiver]

i have no idea what drugs the type inference is smoking

[fleet cedar]

Probably trying to make both branches the same type

[ornate quiver]

I guess yeah

[fleet cedar]

Java doesn't jave bidirectional type inference, so it can't tell that it's just an Object in the end

[ornate quiver]

[fleet cedar]

So it sees that first branch is Long and figures second has to be too

[ornate quiver]

😭

every time I tested my code I had to unroot my emulator so it doesn't bootloop, reinstall the app(this is a xposed module), then reroot it, reinstall the app again so lsposed detects it, then reboot again so the module finally loads

oml

[shrewd bison]

How can I enable/disable commands via a toggle switch in the plugin settings?

[hoary sluice]

vns

[elder yarrow]

👉 #🏥-vencord-support-🏥

[hoary sluice]

oh wait are u making a plugin

sorry

[lavish frigate]

who wanna open up a software consulting firm aimed at ai startups and make a ton of money

[nimble bone]

insane

at least he learned his lesson

[lavish frigate]

damn someone else already did that https://vibecodefixers.com/

[formal belfry]

😂

that cannot be real

[deep mulch]

@ornate quiver this is weird
before use the picker is kinda laggy but after dragging it around and getting a bunch of colors picked it's much faster

[dawn ledge]

idea guys

[dense sand]

has anyone ever used emscripten here

im trynna build my library but im getting this

any idea what could it mean?

adding wasm target for my C jvm...

[jade stone]

whats cursor

[lavish frigate]

vscode fork with ai integration

[jade stone]

doesnt vscode have that already

[fleet cedar]

Vscode already has too much ai

[jade stone]

tbh i disabled completions

they were being a pain more than they ever helped

[fleet cedar]

The other day I saw a "explain with copilot" button on some random error dialog box

[jade stone]

if i every need it, ill use the chat prompt manually, but i dont do that often

[jade stone]

tbh those were nice when i was trying to learn rust (i gave up and am doing more kotlin instead @deep mulch )

@deep mulch whats that thing in intellij idea called where you can see the live output of a kotlin script file line by line

its not the repl, that brings up a terminal

[deep mulch]

jupyter notebook i think

or scratchpad

I never use

[jade stone]

its nice when i have a general language question thats a bit more complex that 1+1 but not complex enough to google

[deep mulch]

insane

[hoary sluice]

@placid cape @deep mulch i need name suggestions for the voice assistant

[placid cape]

im really bad at naming

ask ai lol

[fleet cedar]

Its name is the empty string

[dawn ledge]

jarvis /j

[fleet cedar]

That sounds like a program for inspecting the contents of a jar file

[dawn ledge]

name it duke

@formal belfry approves

[placid cape]

[dawn ledge]

i only got dumb names like larynx or resonance

[fleet cedar]

I mean Larynx isn't that bad

[hoary sluice]

im calling it ferris

making ferris the logo

[jade stone]

thanks git

[formal belfry]

who here is an astro pro

or just

typescript in general i guess

[dawn ledge]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[formal belfry]

im wondering how i should go about storing a current canvas variable globally or something because I want to potentially have tabs in my image editor and need to read the current canvas

[lavish frigate]

you should make a component that manages the tabs and pass the canvas onto every tab (which should also be components) instead of storing it globally

[dawn ledge]

atoms?

[formal belfry]

hm

true

[dawn ledge]

a parent component holding said var would also work ig

[lavish frigate]

often when you "need" to store something globally you are just thinking about it wrong and should take a step back

[formal belfry]

that sounds about right yeah

I'm not too used to this i just kinda dived right in i have never used astro for an actual webapp

[dawn ledge]

although if you dont want to have to nest components and pass around the state in props you can use something like nanostores

[formal belfry]

this feels extremely questionable

oh

goodbye formatting

[formal belfry]

ooh

I'm guessing this is only for react

[dawn ledge]

no this is vanilla

[ornate quiver]

sounds like jit

[dawn ledge]

for react(/other stuff) only you can use something like jotai or recoil

[formal belfry]

I will look at that

thank you

[dawn ledge]

also nanostores also works with react (& co.)

[formal belfry]

I don't use certain atom named framework its fine

does astro's formatter in vscode have any configuration

[lavish frigate]

yop

but usually youd do something like

export default function App() {
  const [tabs, setTabs] = useState([]);
  const canvas = something;

  return <TabGroup>
    {tabs.map(tab => <Tab name={tab.name} canvas={canvas} otherProps={tab.whatever} />)}
  </TabGroup>
}

(in your framework of course this is just an example in react)

[formal belfry]

should i be using a framework for this

[lavish frigate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯