🪅-progaming

[spark tiger]

https://x.com/uwukko/status/1885266660426158287

wukko (@uwukko) on X

finally figured out what people see when they open the issues page in a github repo

X · Jan 31, 2025, 9:59 AM

[frosty obsidian]

github prioritizes the new issue button over more common actions like sharing on the repo screen in their mobile app

[royal nymph]

https://x.com/schlizzawg/status/1885267887453082067

jj (@schlizzawg) on X

@uwukko and when they open an issue this is what they see

X · Jan 31, 2025, 10:04 AM

[spark tiger]

tbh i dunno how someone can fuck up on this step

like u literally already have a list of types u just need to fucking choose the correct

[frosty obsidian]

they will somehow find a way to not use a template

[spark tiger]

also since when do github issues have types

[sterile trout]

the public preview started at the end of september

[spark tiger]

istg javascript codebases are impossible to understand

[spark tiger]

idk if anyone is interested but i was trying to find out how spicetify works, more precisely - how it calls spotify methods, like playback control and others. i found this but there's literally fucking nowhere in the code where this Playback gets assigned

i hate js cuz the amount of ways to just fucking set a field or something is hilarious

[serene elk]

spicetify is probably so badly made

judging from their CLI I cant expect more from their mod

[spark tiger]

look at any extension
the beginning is always this
i dunno much about js but uh this doesn't look too good, does it?

settimeout is smth cursed imo

[serene elk]

yes that is horrible

they are basically polling to see if the methods they need have been found every 300ms

to only them continue the execution

[spark tiger]

argh i just want to see how they're able to use the playback api 😩

[serene elk]

doing a mod in a js application yet doesn't know basically hacks to avoid that

[serene elk]

is Playback assigned to Player?

[spark tiger]

idrk, best i could find is this

also there are these

.PlaybackAPI

[supple whale]

modding spotify sucks

it breaks and unpatches itself like x100 more frequently than discord

[austere anchor]

yeah uhh i dont think its made to be modded

[spark tiger]

neither is any other popular webapp tbf

[austere anchor]

neither is any other popular webapp tbf

[hoary sluice]

I LOVE ASYNC STREAMS IN RUST
rustc: method `request` has an incompatible type for trait expected signature `fn(&'life0 OllamaClient, &'life1 _) -> Pin<Box<(dyn Future<Output = std::result::Result<Pin<Box<(dyn tokio_stream::Stream<Item = std::result::Result<std::string::String, error::error::Error>> + Send + 'static)>>, error::error::Error>> + Send + 'async_trait)>>` found signature `fn(&'life0 OllamaClient, &'life1 _) -> Pin<Box<(dyn Future<Output = std::result::Result<Box<(dyn tokio_stream::Stream<Item = std::result::Result<std::string::String, error::error::Error>> + Send + 'static)>, error::error::Error>> + Send + 'async_trait)>>
`

[austere anchor]

no pin

bwaah

also wtf why r u using rustc directly

[hoary sluice]

i just copied it from zed

[austere anchor]

oh

[hoary sluice]

oh shit it actually works

i dont have proper parsing but its sending a stream of responses

i was not expecting it to work first try

omg they made the chatgpt reasoning public

[stoic helm]

got my prompt to pull mpris data because i run spotifyd on my server so might as well

either dbus is laggy or spotifyd is taking ages to respond so i set up a background service to write the now playing to /tmp/promptcmd and just read that on each prompt

if [[ $(playerctl status 2> /dev/null) == "Playing" ]]; then
    TITLE=$(playerctl metadata title)
    ARTIST=$(playerctl metadata artist)
    # %F{75}♫ %F{177}artist - title %F{75}♫ %F{177}
    PROMPT+=': %F{75}♫ %F{177}'"$ARTIST"' - '"$TITLE"' %F{75}♫%f'
fi

echo $PROMPT > /tmp/promptcmd```

[ornate quiver]

jumpscare I hate that too

[onyx sierra]

insanity

[unkempt shuttle]

[spark tiger]

@woven mesa is this very good?

[dense sand]

no its very bad

[austere anchor]

y

surely oss is good

[dense sand]

i didnt mean it

[woven mesa]

idk

[supple whale]

async iterators > all

[hoary sluice]

async iterators -> suicide

[supple whale]

wdym

js async iterators are like the best thing ever made

they are so fucking good and performant its mad

well ofc they arent the fastest solution, but they are INSANELY faster than node streams, and the utility they provide is also amazing

[hoary sluice]

im not using js

[supple whale]

aware

js>rust shrimply

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1293934183307022387.webp?size=48&name=troll_unhinged

[hoary sluice]

and its not about speed its about it being annoying

[supple whale]

yeah i heard rust async iterators are sub-par

[hoary sluice]

listen to lightning man

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-23724608

[hoary sluice]

theyre not theyre just hard to set up if youve never done it before

[supple whale]

yeah they are annoying to work with

i love js's async iterator integration with async/awat

it makes it so fucking nice to work with any form of data stream

[fleet cedar]

It sucks needing to implement each combination of iterator+async+result+whatever separately

Gimme a proper effect system please

[unkempt shuttle]

hello hastag programming

is there a windows equivalent to &> to redirect everything from console to a file?

> doesn't seem to capture everything by default

[hoary sluice]

@placid cape do you think the reviewers will believe that i wrote this myself lol Contemporary voice assistant systems rely on artificial intelligence (AI) to enable foundational capabilities such as natural language understanding, contextual reasoning, and adaptive response generation. This implementation leverages a heterogeneous ensemble of machine learning models and deterministic algorithms to achieve robust performance across diverse interaction paradigms. The system dynamically allocates computational tasks based on syntactic complexity, semantic ambiguity, and real-time resource constraints, ensuring an optimal balance between accuracy and responsiveness. By integrating both local and cloud-based AI frameworks, the architecture supports scalable deployment while maintaining interoperability with evolving language processing technologies.

[placid cape]

well i dont think

but maybe?

i would say its ai

[hoary sluice]

"leverages a heterogeneous ensemble of machine learning models and deterministic algorithms"

[placid cape]

yea thats 100% ai

the whole sentence "This implementation leverages a heterogeneous ensemble of machine learning models and deterministic algorithms to achieve robust performance across diverse interaction paradigms."

[hoary sluice]

my entire introduction is 88% ai gen

lol

i mean thats pretty accurate

These models demonstrate superior performance in disambiguating lexical variations (e.g., regional dialects), resolving co-reference chains, and extracting intent from phrasings with high syntactic entropy.

[hoary sluice]

this site is bullshit

i wrote this sentence myself just now

it doesnt even say like 80% or smth

[placid cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

gptzero is the best i know about

[royal nymph]

just ask ai

[placid cape]

quillbot also has ai detector but its way worse

[hoary sluice]

i mean my supervisor doesn't really know anything about ai and he probably doesn't care either, he's a chill guy

[placid cape]

then you're safe

[hoary sluice]

i just dont wanna risk having 100% ai on gptzero

so true????

the human ones sound more ai than the ai ones

fn is_ai() -> bool {
  rng.gen_range(1..=2) == 2
}

ahh website

[placid cape]

xdddd

[dense ruin]

https://ss64.com/nt/syntax-redirection.html (this is for cmd/batch, not sure about PS)

[unkempt shuttle]

thank you very much!

[fallow jasper]

who cares, a lot of papers nowadays are written with the help of llms

[green gulch]

dude i went to this restaurant earlier

and their payment thing accepts negative tips

[eternal wigeon]

Stonks

[royal nymph]

FIRE

[wheat kernel]

😭

pls tell me u got a free meal

there used to be a similar issue w mcdonalds terminals

removing stuff from the basic hamburger would add up to more negative charges than the worth of the burger

[void leaf]

Who the hell made html and decided target=”_blank” and target=“_self” was a good idea and easily understandable for what their purpose was

[royal nymph]

you love html spec

[valid jetty]

and then “blank” exists too

which specifies that it opens in a new tab but that new tab is shared for all links you click in your website

so if you have anchor A and B and you click A, it’ll open a new tab with A, but if you then click B it’ll overwrite the A that is already open with B

[void leaf]

Imma murder the mf that wrote html

[green gulch]

yeah lmao i did because i was testing it

the total was -9$ because i put more than the total

was hoping theyd give me money

[viscid grove]

did you tell them about it lmao

[viscid grove]

smh they scammed you ||(frfr ong)||

[hoary sluice]

those papers arent graded

[green gulch]

not yet cause ima look more into it once i get back from my trip, its a software that a few restaurants use

[hoary sluice]

do they not use square

are u in america

"waiter gave me bad service so my bill is coming out of his tip jar" ahh restaurant

[green gulch]

i am and they dont use square

most places do

[green gulch]

just found out i can view any order (sequential IDs and no auth) and see the delivery address and customer info if it was delivery

[hoary sluice]

reminds me of indian mcdonalds delivery

[green gulch]

i saw that the other day

i can bypass payment completely

and pay other peoples orders

[hoary sluice]

do they have bug bounty

even if they dont im sure theyre gonna be willing to give u some money for a free food exploit

[fallen nebula]

Big W

[dense sand]

wow

a perfect parser

now im waiting for a moment where it totally breaks down

[green gulch]

they do not, I did email them asking if they'd be willing to compensate for the information

[frosty obsidian]

i should also make a programming language in kotlin

[austere anchor]

wait kotlin also has this

wtf

i thought it was only a clippy thing

[dense sand]

thats sonarlint

[austere anchor]

idk what that is

but cool

[jade stone]

does anyone know how you lose some type inference on variables captured in anonymous functions

[serene elk]

typescript cant be sure when that code is going to run

so they cant assure the type is the same

the same happens when you non null assert some variable and then try to use inside a function

[hoary sluice]

if they say no you get free food forever

[green gulch]

exactly

i didnt give any details how its done in the email

just the severity etc

[hoary sluice]

alr nice

[jade stone]

love weird type inference

[wheat kernel]

u do realize this is straight up illegal lol

mf out here extorting restaurants

[green gulch]

nah im responsibly disclosing trust

for a small sum of cash

[wheat kernel]

u cant withhold details and demand payment 😭

[royal nymph]

eh it's not extortion

and there's nothing forcing you to disclose vulnerabilities you find

[wheat kernel]

theres nothing preventing them from bringing criminal charges against you for vulnerabilities you find lol

[royal nymph]

if you email them like "hello I found a vulnerability that allows me to see other customer's private info, would you be willing to compensate me for disclosing it responsibly?" there's nothing illegal about that (the only thing that could possibly be illegal is "hacking" aka you weren't supposed to find that vulnerability in the first place, but if it's something you can find by doing extremely simple and normal things they shouldn't be able to argue that)

[wheat kernel]

and if they dont have a vdp or similar

they can just email back from the legal@ domain

[royal nymph]

it would be illegal if you were like "give me money or I will sell this on the black market" 👽

[ornate quiver]

only police can bring charges
i dont see how this is extortion

sure they might want to sue him but thats completely different

people sell exploits legally all the time

[blazing haven]

even if you do everything "by the book" (responsibly disclose properly and give them all the info, even if you don't ask for a reward) you can still get sued by them and often will, happens all the time here in germany at least

[hoary sluice]

no its not

theres nothing illegal about finding vulnerabilities

hes hasnt exploited it

and for it to count as extortion there needs to be some threat or coercion, if its not phrased as "If you dont give me money I will sell this on the dark web", then the most they could claim in court is implicit threat, but that wont hold up

[blazing haven]

what jurisdiction are we talking about

[hoary sluice]

i guess usa, you could say that this falls under 18 U.S.C. § 1030 computer fraud and abuse but realistically even if they do sue on this basis, it would never hold up in court as he could claim that he found it unintentially and he disclosed it responsibly, so theres also no claim of extortion; this law is there to prevent malicious attacks

[blazing haven]

not too familiar on the fine print of us law regarding that stuff but i learned that a rich guy or a company wants to fuck you they will find a way to do so even if it is on a technicality xd

also even if it sounds ridicilous (because it is, to us anyway) the accessing of sensitive information could also be considered illegal even if it's just accidentally by trying the sequential id thing

[hoary sluice]

and you can phrase the email in such a way that there is absolutely nothing they can claim,
Hello, I recently noticed a potential security vulnerability on your website that may allow a user to modify the price of an order. I wanted to bring this to your attention so it can be fixed. I wasn’t able to find a bug bounty program; do you have a preferred method for responsible disclosure?

[hoary sluice]

they dont have a bug bounty so i think its a small local restaurant

[blazing haven]

maybe they have a security.txt

oh small local restaurant

prolly not xd

[hoary sluice]

@green gulch how big is the business?

[blazing haven]

just go to <domain>/security.txt

see if it exists

[hoary sluice]

looking at this video @blazing haven, this is in no way a cfaa violation, he used the intended, public ui and didnt "hack" the system, this is just an oversight on their part and they have no legal claim since he clearly wasnt like querying their private apis to see if theres no auth on one of them or smth

[blazing haven]

rooting for him 🤞

(honestly id just keep getting free meals with this method for a lifetime)

LMFAO

[hoary sluice]

so just theft

[blazing haven]

this was a joke for legal reasons

someone would notice anyway one way or another anyway if you do it a few times

not worth it

[hoary sluice]

this is probably not mcdonalds where they get like an order every second in large locations, and where you can use loyalty points to get free orders legitimately, so theyre gonna immediately notice that the receipt says -2.36$ or 0.00$

[blazing haven]

i wonder what goes through the head of someone seeing a receipt with a minus in front

would they just give you money the first time no questions asked? LOL

[hoary sluice]

no??

i mean if its at a mcdonalds they would ask you "how is the total negative?" youd say i used a voucher and theyd prob give you money

[blazing haven]

yeah prolly

[hoary sluice]

@placid cape next person that im teaching programming will be starting with rust

[placid cape]

interesting choice 🤔

[hoary sluice]

i have pretty much taught about 5 ppl and they started with c or python

the language is so awesome and i think itd be a good option for beginners since (especially at the beginner level) the compiler debugs everything for you

if they dont know the absolute basics then teach that with pseudocode, and then move to rust

[valid jetty]

i just tried to teach someone react without any js experience

[hoary sluice]

ive had to teach someone who made a vanilla js website with chatgpt how to use nextjs

cause i wasnt boutta build him a router and login portal and evertything with just js

[green gulch]

the restaurant itself has like 5 locations

but the software is used by thousands of restaurants world wide

the parent company no longer advertises it

since they have a new system, but the old one is still in support because of contracts

[hoary sluice]

did u email the restaurant or the software

cause that might be a decent paycheck if its used by thousands of restaurants

[green gulch]

the parent company

I got on their live chat and had them make me a ticket

[hoary sluice]

did u say anything yetr

[green gulch]

I just told them the scope of the issue/the urgency and asked if they had a system in place for responsible disclosure such as a bug bounty etc

The support person was giving me a hard time

Started trying to sell me the software

[dense sand]

me when i pass

me when happy

[hoary sluice]

what exactly did u say

saying do you have a system in place for responsible disclosure is very good wording

[green gulch]

thats what i asked

pretty much word for word

[hoary sluice]

what did u say abt the scope of the issue

[green gulch]

I said it can compromise customer information and cause financial damage to their thousands of clients, as well as damage to their systems

[hoary sluice]

like did you say "i disovered an issue that can..."

[green gulch]

I found out this morning that their merchant sign in page is vulnerable to sql injection

[hoary sluice]

💀

[green gulch]

I said like "I came across an issue that can..."

[hoary sluice]

ok nice

[green gulch]

I don't know if I'm going to even get a reply from them honestly

[placid cape]

your own language?

[dense sand]

i mean not a language yet

steady but slow

[hoary sluice]

cause ur technically not allowed to scope around information that is supposed to be private but accidentally isnt, but in case they dont respond well you can just say you found the negative tipping thing and just not tell them about the rest, cause the negative tipping is completely accidental and legal

[dense sand]

i want to understand the parsing process

[green gulch]

I didn't really access any data that wasn't mine, besides the sequential ID thing but that was also an accident

[hoary sluice]

i mean like youre not allowed to try to query private apis (at least its a gray area)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

[green gulch]

Security researchers do it every day

[hoary sluice]

in austria you are not allowed to guess wifi passwords, and its probably similar in the us

[green gulch]

Nothing would really hold up

[hoary sluice]

they do it whet theyre paid by the company

[hoary sluice]

in your case it wouldnt, yea

[green gulch]

Theres independents that do it

[hoary sluice]

the sequential id thing is probably illegal tho

unless they have a bug bounty that allows it

[green gulch]

And I wasn't really querying API directly, i was looking at the network tab on dev console from their website

[hoary sluice]

did you go to theirdomain/security.txt ?

[hoary sluice]

how did u find sequential ids from that

[green gulch]

sequential ID i found from my friends order

[hoary sluice]

oh lol

[green gulch]

he sent his link

it was 3 numbers higher than mine

[hoary sluice]

oh wait its theirdomain/.well-known/security.txt

https://www.microsoft.com/.well-known/security.txt

https://securitytxt.org/

[hoary sluice]

yep

nice

[green gulch]

nor does the parent company site have it

[blazing haven]

to the vast majority of companies security issues are just an annoyance

and security in general is an afterthought

so expect them to give you a hard time about everything

[wheat kernel]

he has lol look up

[hoary sluice]

u mean the video?

oh shit i see

lmao

@green gulch hope they dont notice/ dont care

[green gulch]

I left cash on the table

paid the amount + 10$ tip

[hoary sluice]

ah ok

[green gulch]

so hopefully thats enough of a bribe to stay quiet

[hoary sluice]

did u take the bill with u

[green gulch]

I did it to test if it would actually take it

[green gulch]

receipt?

[hoary sluice]

yes

[green gulch]

yeah

I still have it

[hoary sluice]

meh you paid cash, they probably cant know that it was u

couldve been someone who also discovered the exploit and decided to abuse it

did u put any personal info into the app?

[green gulch]

id be surprised if i was the first one to try that

[green gulch]

i mean

card

[hoary sluice]

im guessing theres a bunch of homeless dudes who have been eating at restaurants with that app for free for years and youre about to ruin their life

[green gulch]

lmfao

i mean i think the waiter would definitely notice

they go to check their tip and see its -40$

[hoary sluice]

the waiter gets the bill + 10$ as a tip

for u at least

[green gulch]

for me yeah

[hoary sluice]

not for the homeless dudes

[green gulch]

since i left cash i doubt they checked the system

i went to a different restaurant a long time ago that had online payment on receipts, and i used it then left but I forgot my hat in there so i went back in

and the waiter thought I left without paying lol

[hoary sluice]

i mean they might have (only might, cause if the security is that garbage i doubt they have a lot of logging) a history of purchases and theyll see that u have a 0$ bill but u can say that was accidental, when u discovered it

[hoary sluice]

uve used this before??

or u mean just normal payment

[green gulch]

normal payment

at a different restaurant

[hoary sluice]

als

[green gulch]

i was saying just cause the waiter didnt check the system

[hoary sluice]

alr

[green gulch]

even if they saw it, they'd assume its an error + i left cash

this would be really funny on a receipt

[hoary sluice]

how to become a billionaire TODAY (join my whatsapp group!!!)

[green gulch]

lmao

to their credit it doesnt allow it if the total is negative

server side

but its not an intentional prevention

it just thinks the card doesnt have enough to cover the total

[hoary sluice]

probably cause it causes an exception somewhere down the chain

[ionic lake]

or they might sue you out of your ass in the name of hacking

[hoary sluice]

omg they probably use unsigned ints representing the amount of cents in the amount and it overflows and thinks u cant pay that much

[hoary sluice]

he didnt do any hacking

[ionic lake]

i know, but companies will make up any reason

[hoary sluice]

which wont hold up in court

and then he can just reveal the negative tipping in court and keep the other shit secret and fuck over the company

cause if they take it to court then its gonna be public news and everyone will know that theres some kind of exploit

tldr the company probably cba to sue some random guy who says he knows how to get free food

[green gulch]

and this company isnt large enough to do that honestly

its not like

stripe

or square

[hoary sluice]

those 2 def have a bug bounty

[green gulch]

ok so this is weird

{
    "code": 420,
    "message": "Oops! Someone has already paid part of this bill. Please review and try again."
}

[ionic lake]

makes sense

[green gulch]

even for unpaid bill

[hoary sluice]

yea they do

[hoary sluice]

420 isnt even a real response code

i think this means theyre using spring

a very old version of spring at that

[ionic lake]

i say you don't give them your exploit and use it to order free food

[green gulch]

i mean if they dont offer bug bounty ill just not reply

[hoary sluice]

i say youre the hat and roll a 3

[green gulch]

i really want to mess around with the sql injection on the merchant sign in but i probably wont

[hoary sluice]

u should probably try to contact someone higher up if they say no

[green gulch]

that is what could get me in the most trouble

[green gulch]

they said the ticket was put in with the "executive team" but yeah ill try that

[hoary sluice]

u could probably sign in with an admin account so mention that

actually no dont mention that

youve alr told them enough to make them issue a bug bounty

[green gulch]

yeah

[green gulch]

dont really know much about spring, how long ago would it have been deprecated

[jade stone]

something about this feels wrong

    private highlightChanges() {
        const [was, is] = this.lastPatchedModule.get();
        if (!was || !is || was === is) return;
        const changes = DiffFunc(was, is);
        let i = -1;
        let cur: Diff;
        let pos = 0;
        while (++i < changes.length && !(cur = changes[i])[0])
            pos += cur[1].length;
        let end = pos;
        while ((cur = changes[i++])[0] && i < changes.length)
            cur[0] !== DELETE && (end += cur[1].length);

        const rangeToShow = makeRange({ pos, end }, is);
        if (!this.editor) return;
        this.editor.revealRange(rangeToShow, TextEditorRevealType.InCenter);
    }

[hoary sluice]

it was already deprecated in october 2015 https://web.archive.org/web/20151025102238/http://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/current/javadoc-api/org/springframework/http/HttpStatus.html

also use the wappalyzer browser extension

see what theyre using

maybe spring isnt the only one that uses 420

[hoary sluice]

yes, the language its written in

[green gulch]

not finding anything

their entire code is just a single js file

they use the same one on customer end and merchant end1

[hoary sluice]

wtf

[hoary sluice]

??

they send u the server js??

[green gulch]

no its the frontend code

js

but 90% of their handling/validation is client side

that reminds me

ever heard of life360

[hoary sluice]

no

[valid jetty]

yes

[green gulch]

https://life360.com

pretty big

they had their auth secret in front end

[dense sand]

[UNCHECKED_CAST] Unchecked cast of 'kotlin. Array<*>' to 'kotlin. Array<lol. koblizek. leap. parser. ExpressionBuilder>'.

[jade stone]

Can't you suppress that error with some comment

[dense sand]

yea i can

but like it doesnt make much sense lol

[hoary sluice]

lol.koblizek is crazy

[dense sand]

i didnt use this name for ages ngl

its atleast a year since i dont even own that domain anymore

[hoary sluice]

does it say type is a domain variable that couldve been changed at this point

i didnt know it was a domain at first and the hypixel forums thread that taught me programming said to just do me.username

i changed it to dev.eagely later

[hoary sluice]

my goofy ahh used my school email in all my commits

bro github desktop is so awesome

[spark tiger]

how cursed is this

i don't know shit about rust, was just using something i've seen in other projects and with the help of chatgpt

[ionic lake]

its ok but try to avoid unwrap

[spark tiger]

thanks; i'm doing it just for now so i don't need to fuck with Ok() and stuff like that

was trynna make it running asap :P

[ionic lake]

sound:1015931589865246730:1099103610060677271

👍

[hoary sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/780597317355044865/1336310948608086067/the_truck_killing_bridge.mp4?ex=67a3580d&is=67a2068d&hm=4d82739fd46bb2d376f8ce58427ff940130be185bff85eaf1b7f3b978ebb41bd&

[spark tiger]

my concerns about rust were mostly about performance. like you need to basically create such things yourself which needs to be performant enough and i was too scared to start writing rust thinking i'd simply not come up with a performant enough solution

also coding this small thing taught me that rustrover is fucking dogshit

afaik it's using its own thing rather than rust-analyzer

and it's so bad

[ionic lake]

i just use neovim and rustacean.nvim handles everything for me

[spark tiger]

most of the time it either doesn't show actual errors or shows fake errors

[spark tiger]

yop i have nvim too, just find it kinda hard to get used to, though i admit it's very powerful and cool once you master it!

i'm thinking of using zed for rust coding

[hoary sluice]

you cant beat the compiler

[ionic lake]

oh and ive set rust_analyzer to give it its own target dir so it won't lock up the main target dirs

[hoary sluice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As-if_rule

[hoary sluice]

use zed

or nvim

zed is still pretty new so some parts abt it arent the best, so if you alr have a good nvim setup its prob better to use that for now

[spark tiger]

i mean yeah but still bad algorithm would definitely slow down the code. like maybe i could find a better and more performant way of implementing read_str like without having to create a vec and then create a string from that. like that way i uh have to allocate twice more memory, no? like in memory there's both the vec and the string

and like these kinda things kinda stress me out

[hoary sluice]

a bad algorithm will be a bad algorithm irrespective of the language

[spark tiger]

true, but in like python i didn't have to come up with any algorithm to just read a string from file stream

so don't have to worry

[spark tiger]

i didn't really configure nvim much, i just installed one of those like pre-built uh configs (astronvim to be precise). tho for some reason LSPs didn't work but somehow i fixed it by using zig to compile them (crazy aint it)

[hoary sluice]

if its in the stdlib its optimal

[ionic lake]

oh lmao i use astronvim too

[hoary sluice]

here u can just do fs::read_to_string(file)

[austere anchor]

does it not chew up a gigabyte for you or is it just me

[spark tiger]

tried using it but there were some errors

ima reproduce it rq

[ionic lake]

it does

you can also try using ra-multiplex

[hoary sluice]

python is easier to use yes, but youd have to try very hard to write an algo that isnt purposefully inefficent (like adding a sleep(1000)) that is slower than python

[hoary sluice]

it does, idk why but we can all afford it anyway

[austere anchor]

i mean everytime i run out of space the first place i go to clear out storage is my rust project so

[ionic lake]

running out of space is inevitable

burntsushi (who made ripgrep) got his uv target dir to 600gb

[hoary sluice]

i thought we were talking abt ram

it uses 1.2 gb of ram for me

[spark tiger]

doing this results in a panic:
called Result::unwrap() on an Err value: Error { kind: InvalidData, message: "stream did not contain valid UTF-8" }

[hoary sluice]

cause it has to load ur entire dep tree and all of its code

just tokio is like a gig

[austere anchor]

oh what wtf r u reading

[hoary sluice]

the string is empty

[spark tiger]

just a binary file?

[austere anchor]

no binary for string

[spark tiger]

but why does it work with from_utf8 then

[hoary sluice]

wait what are you reading

[austere anchor]

a big binary blob

smh

[spark tiger]

yeah kinda

tho not so big

[hoary sluice]

oh idk abt string with capaticty

read_to_string just returns a string i thought?

[austere anchor]

@spark tiger sure you just let fw: Vec<u8> = fs::read(&args.filename).unwrap_or_else(|e| panic!("Cannot read image, error: {e}"));

(copied straight from one of my projects blehhh)

[austere anchor]

it reads.. to a string

thus u need to specify a string for it to go to

[austere anchor]

waow

[hoary sluice]

let string = fs::read_to_string(filename)?;
dbg!(string)

[austere anchor]

nono no do that

its a binary

its non-utf8

[fleet cedar]

That's usually spelled .expect("cannot read image")

[spark tiger]

oh maybe i'm not supposed to use it with a with_capacity String and need to call it on the file? but that's not really what i want, i want to read exactly x amount of bytes

[austere anchor]

you cant print error with that

.

[hoary sluice]

he was tryna read utf 8

[austere anchor]

or well

in the way you want

[austere anchor]

nuh uh

[fleet cedar]

.expect() does print the error

[austere anchor]

use read_exact for that

read_to_string just takes in a string buffer for efficiency

[austere anchor]

#🪅-progaming message .

[spark tiger]

called Result::unwrap() on an Err value: Error { kind: InvalidData, message: "stream did not contain valid UTF-8" }

[austere anchor]

also except is weird because you're supposed to put the string of what you expected to happen

but like

the error message doesnt feel like that

[austere anchor]

guhhh stop reading to stringgg

[hoary sluice]

maybe ur stream doesnt contain valid utf 8??

is the file valid utf 8

[fleet cedar]

It's gonna print five lines of panic stuff anyway

[austere anchor]

😭 did you read the fact that its binary yet

[hoary sluice]

what ive learned from rust is that the compiler is always right

[austere anchor]

yeah but i want format

!

[fleet cedar]

Panics aren't for user-facing errors

[hoary sluice]

hes been tryna read it to a string this whole time so i assumed its utf8?

[hoary sluice]

they are if your name is @valid jetty

[spark tiger]

idk but reading a utf-8 string with that same file worked fine in python

idrk

[hoary sluice]

im guessing python discards invalid utf8

or puts placeholder characters

no it doesnt ive had that issue in python before

anyways you cant read a non utf 8 file into a utf 8 string no matter what library you use

[spark tiger]

i can send you some of the first bytes this file has

[austere anchor]

me im the user

[spark tiger]

cuz i'm not really sure how to tell if the file is a valid utf-8 or not

[hoary sluice]

.

its not valid utf 8

[fleet cedar]

If it's text, it's utf8 (or else 🔪)

If it's binary it's not utf8 (but might contain utf8 strings in some parts obviously)

[hoary sluice]

the file is .bfn which is not something i know and probably not utf 8

[spark tiger]

it's some proprietary file

[hoary sluice]

apparently .bfn is a binary file that stores serialized data for WerWolv (the app in the screenshot)

its basically a zip file

but not zip

[spark tiger]

should be a valid string

[hoary sluice]

fs::read(filename)

[fleet cedar]

Contains null bytes

[hoary sluice]

it might contain valid utf 8 but to parse it as a string you need the whole file to be valid utf 8

[fleet cedar]

Could theoretically be valid utf8, but it's certainly no string

[austere anchor]

not valid utf8

[hoary sluice]

its like converting dnsrto45rn6old to a decimal number

456 is valid but the rest isnt

[spark tiger]

no, i just meant to show that i'm opening inhex to open this in a hex editor, this file has no relation to imhex, sorry for confusion! werwolv is actually the creator of imhex

[hoary sluice]

https://adventofcode.com/2023/day/1 reference???

[austere anchor]

@spark tiger you should most likely be deserializing this instead, just read it as a Vec<u8> for now and parse it properly

[hoary sluice]

chatgpt said WerWolv is a rust web scraper and uses bfn files

i guess thats hallucinated then

what is the file for

[spark tiger]

but it is?

[austere anchor]

god stop using chatgpt for factual information

so cursed

[austere anchor]

no not the dot itself

[hoary sluice]

i said apparently

[austere anchor]

i knowthe dot itself is valid utf8 but thats not the point

[hoary sluice]

the dot is but the whole file needs to be

valid

ur parsing the file not the dot

[austere anchor]

the whole file isn't utf-8 valid

[spark tiger]

i mean yes obviously the file itself is not utf-8, but i was trying to read that specific byte 2E

[fleet cedar]

The file isn't text so whether it's utf8 isn't relevant

[spark tiger]

i have some small explanation here - #🧊-off-topic-iceman-only message

[hoary sluice]

but to do that u were parsing the whole file as a string

which doesnt work

[austere anchor]

then just read it in a Vec<u8> and check the 5th byte

[spark tiger]

oh- i thought it'd consider the current position

[hoary sluice]

why are u tryna steal assets lol

[hoary sluice]

println!('.')

[fleet cedar]

Or x.seek(4)?; x.read_exact(std::slice::from_mut(&mut byte))?;

[austere anchor]

huh what how, the implementation you provided for those has seeking reader that does that

[austere anchor]

??

[fleet cedar]

It does, yes

It reads the entire remainder of the file into a String

[hoary sluice]

the 5th byte is always 2E

[spark tiger]

not to steal, and i don't really see anything so bad about it. there are many such tools for like source engine games, godot games, etc. This game is de-facto abandoned, and I just wanted to both get some cute sprites from the game and try myself into reverse engineering a proprietary file format

[mystic pond]

hi guys did i can add new plugun ??

[austere anchor]

@spark tiger you should be using https://docs.rs/byteorder/latest/byteorder/index.html for this tbh instead of writing your own impl

[hoary sluice]

ah ok

[austere anchor]

your println comment adds nothing guh

[hoary sluice]

+whatever the thing is called for this is not support this is pro gaming

[fleet cedar]

vns you mean?

[elder yarrow]

👉 #🏥-vencord-support-🏥

[hoary sluice]

its the fastest way to do what he wants

[austere anchor]

huh what, you can see the implementation of that method

it is clearly not doing anything like seeking

[hoary sluice]

so ur goal is to read specific bytes from a file?

[austere anchor]

it just reads the whole file

not even a remainder

[austere anchor]

what does println got to do with any of this

[fleet cedar]

error: format argument must be a string literal
 --> src/main.rs:1:22
  |
1 | fn main() { println!('.'); }
  |                      ^^^
  |
help: you might be missing a string literal to format with
  |
1 | fn main() { println!("{}", '.'); }
  |                      +++++

[hoary sluice]

i forgor 💀

i do that every time

im glad the rust people invented dbg!

[hoary sluice]

forget it

[fleet cedar]

If only dbg! wasn't terribly formatted

[austere anchor]

im so confused rn i pray you will not throw random code at me no more

[fleet cedar]

I have the third most cursed crate on the planet to rectify that though

[spark tiger]

I mean yeah, but I just like the idea of implementing this myself rather than using a 3rd-party crate
I don't really know why but yeah lol

[austere anchor]

you will have to seek manually then

[hoary sluice]

it was a joke because he said he wanted to read the dot at position 5 so i just gave him a dot

[austere anchor]

currently you are not seeking

[austere anchor]

please know that your joke made me very confused

[hoary sluice]

i got that yes

[spark tiger]

this specific file is like a file tree for the archive of the assets themselves which is actually in another proprietary file which i haven't reversed engineered yet.
but for this rust code i just want to like read it all into a vec of file paths (like ./folder/file.bin) so then i can print a pretty file tree
the original algorithm in python is like that:

[spark tiger]

read_exact does already seek when you call it so

[fleet cedar]

Uh no it doesn't

It reads from the current position

(And advances the position)

[spark tiger]

ah

i thought seeking is the same as advancing the position

[austere anchor]

huh what

[fleet cedar]

No, seeking means jumping

Like seeking to position 0x1234 without reading the bytes before that

[hoary sluice]

let file = File::open(filename)?;
let mut files_len = [0u8];
file.seek(SeekFrom::Start(4))?;
file.read_exact(&mut files_len)?;

and u probably wanna do

files_len as usize

later cause lenght / index should be usize

[austere anchor]

"Readers can be thought of as cursors that only allow you to seek forward from the current position. They can be implemented with one method; read_exact. This forcibly attempts to split the underlying buffer in order to extract a sub-slice with a given length, and advance the buffer forward such that the next call to read_exact will return subsequent bytes in the buffer." ah TIL

[fleet cedar]

That won't work, you'd need std::slice::from_mut to convert that &u8 to a &[u8]

[hoary sluice]

oh yeah it needs to be a slice

now it works

[fleet cedar]

The core operation of Read is read, not read_exact

Though they should have been called read_some and read

[hoary sluice]

read_some isnt a good name either

[austere anchor]

and what exactly does this relate to

[hoary sluice]

esp cause of Option::Some

[hoary sluice]

cause read just reads some amount of bytes and then returns the amount of bytes read

[fleet cedar]

Sure, the naming can be bikeshedded

[spark tiger]

got another question - what exactly should we use seek for if not for advancing the current position?

[hoary sluice]

i think

[fleet cedar]

The point is that the good name should go to the useful operation

[fleet cedar]

For seeking to some other position

[spark tiger]

like i always thought seek is basically so you don't read over and over the same position

[hoary sluice]

i think thats kinda the whole point of seek

[fleet cedar]

For example if your archive says "file foobar.txt starts at position 970114" then you might want to seek over there

[hoary sluice]

nah just read the whole file and drop the first 970113

[austere anchor]

can you not

[hoary sluice]

we have kinda gone off topic anyway

[austere anchor]

so lets go on topic instead of derailing completely

@spark tiger what is your issue currently

[fleet cedar]

What's the topic anyway

[hoary sluice]

nah lets derail completely

[austere anchor]

the fact that they cant read this binary file

[hoary sluice]

reading the 5th byte

is the topic

[spark tiger]

i mean i can just use that old way

it works fine

[austere anchor]

sure that's fine too

[fleet cedar]

Not if it's not utf8

Just use std::fs::read()

[austere anchor]

this can also be used and is fine if the file is not like, gigabytes in size

just read the whole file

[hoary sluice]

ur reading the first 5 bytes here

[fleet cedar]

Yeah if it's gigs you'll want mmap

[hoary sluice]

the first 5 bytes happen to be utf8

[spark tiger]

no? i tried swapping read_str and read_int calls in my code and it resulted in different outputs

[fleet cedar]

Wow calling different functions does different things?

[austere anchor]

Amazing!

[hoary sluice]

cause read_int probably reads the ascii int from it or smth

[spark tiger]

lmao i meant swapping their order

mb

like before i first called read_int and then read_str and it resulted in . - 1, but after calling read_str first it was - somebignumber

it wouldn't differ if it read the first bytes rather than that ones at the current position

[fleet cedar]

Io is usually sequential

Most people aren't interested in reading the same bytes repeatedly, so the io primitives advance the position since that's the not stupid way to do it

[hoary sluice]

is this actually a different output or is it just one in decimal and the other in asclii

[hoary sluice]

i thought they didnt

ur prob right

makes sense

[spark tiger]

first results in . - 1
and the second results in - 771751936

[fleet cedar]

What did you expect

The first one interprets bytes 0..=3 as an int, the second interprets bytes 1..=4 as an int

[austere anchor]

me when the hardware does things sequentially

[fleet cedar]

I think it's the kernel, not the hardware

[spark tiger]

argh i'm so confused atp

[fleet cedar]

But that's quite off topic

[hoary sluice]

the hardware doesnt do anything

[austere anchor]

if you dont have any more problems no need to change anything

[austere anchor]

shit up

[hoary sluice]

the hardware just is

[fleet cedar]

Hardware is irrelevant for most propgramming anyway

[hoary sluice]

our professor drilled into us that vhdl doesnt have time

[spark tiger]

i mean as long as it works - probably no. i'm just left confused whether i need to add seek() call to each of my read_* function or not

[austere anchor]

no need

found out read_exact does advancing for you anyways

i thought it didn't but you learn new things everyday

[hoary sluice]

well you either need to seek to the 5th byte or read the first 5 bytes

[fleet cedar]

As another nitpick/advice, wrap your File in a BufReader, it'll be an order of magnitude faster

[spark tiger]

thanks!

[fleet cedar]

Doing many small reads is expensive, so BufReader does fewer but larger reads

[hoary sluice]

3 ns instead of 30 ns

[spark tiger]

the first, and since i do read_u32 which reads four bytes and advanaces the position, i don't need to seek, i think

[fleet cedar]

I almost always do my io by reading to a Vec<u8> first (or mmap if large)

[hoary sluice]

if you need the 45612789th byte instead of the 5th byte, you probably wanna seek instead of reading to it

[spark tiger]

oh yeah sure! but in our case the seeked bytes are needed so we just read them

[hoary sluice]

oh u need the first 5, not the 5th?

[austere anchor]

i dont think most programs will be dealing with files big enough to warrant not using Vec<u8> anyways

[fleet cedar]

Most won't, yeah

[spark tiger]

the first four bytes, which is u32, are needed so i know how big the string will be starting from 5th byte

[hoary sluice]

ohh

[spark tiger]

Also that thing kinda confuses me as well. I mean when would I just read directly from a File or when I need to use BufReader or when I need memory map or something

[hoary sluice]

i thought the 5th byte was your length 😭

i misunderstood the python

[spark tiger]

lmao

my next step would be actually finish porting this python script to rust and benchmark it somehow python vs rust

inb4 python version is faster due to my badly written rust code

[hoary sluice]

it wont be

[spark tiger]

also need to find a way to benchmark python and rust code

[hoary sluice]

time

or hyperfine

oh ur on windows

idk

[austere anchor]

...so what i meant to say before discord died, was that you should always just read the whole file or read from the file or whatev and then if you specifically experience performance issues regarding reading from files, use bufreader or mmap

[spark tiger]

oh my fucking god finally

[austere anchor]

don't over-optimize

[spark tiger]

dis was the worst 12 minutes of my life icl

[austere anchor]

this was ur chance to touch grass 💔

[spark tiger]

so in my case i'd rather just read it all to vec and then do all my read_str, read_u32 stuff on that vec than reading directly from bufreader?

[fleet cedar]

On the slice, rather, but yeah

[spark tiger]

forgot to say -- thanks to everyone! using rust has been very fun so far

[jade stone]

this is horrid

i will now use it for iterating over regex objects

[jade stone]

it has become a reality

[royal nymph]

bro

[wheat kernel]

GOD BLESS JAVASCRIPT 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅

[spark tiger]

i wonder how that works though

like you don’t even know what fields you’ll get when compiling

[ornate quiver]

the Deserialize proc macro generates some boilerplate code that specifies the known fields to serde, and then serde_json parses input and fills in the known fields

[spark tiger]

interesting, thanks

maybe i can steal some of their code to make it work with binary

i have a brilliant idea for a parsing lib

but i kinda have a feeling i’d rather just contribute some features to nom

if it doesn’t have them yet

but making stuff yourself is too fun to replace it with a crate!

[ornate quiver]

like, using serde for a binary format?

typically you'd use some binary parser lib like scroll or nom
and then if you really wanted serde support you'd write a small trait impl to connect the two

[spark tiger]

uhh maybe? but i was thinking of a thing that doesn’t depend on serde. the closest thing is probably nom

i want to utilize field decorators(?) like nom does

[ornate quiver]

wdymm show

[spark tiger]

sorry i had a class. it seems like i confused nom with binrw. it’s binrw that has these neat decorators, like that:

oh actually it already does what i wanted to implement (that [br(count = bone_pile_count] thing)

though i’m still interested in making a similar thing

[ornate quiver]

oh those are attributes
they're parsed by the #[binrw] proc macro

[spark tiger]

oh yeah, my python ass calls it decorators

[spark tiger]

i need some help with xcode

[fleet cedar]

I think your best bet is a sledgehammer

[viscid grove]

are you running macos on a steamdeck?

[ionic lake]

this is the illegal steam deck they don't want you to know about

[severe python]

is this a hackintosh or a remote display

[atomic brook]

Probably remote desktop

There's a fps counter

[ionic lake]

yeah i just saw that

[spark tiger]

idk i stole the pic off twitter

[severe python]

oh

[hoary sluice]

@placid cape woo nlp works

its an actual voice assistant now

that can process natural language

the query here is "whats the weather in new york"

what may be the current climatical conditions in the great city of new york also works

so does If I were to step outside in new york, what kind of sky-and-air situation would I find myself in?

aertoulrvtoutlrdaetdrnaetdsraendtaersndtaerndtaerndtaesrdntea weather stdoulswvoulhtaesrndtaernd tourlwouvt new rtaersoutvvlhoudtroutd rn york
it detects that its weather but it thinks its weather in "NEW Kunden Center"

problem is i cant test it with voice cause it doesnt recognize my mic

oh nvm it does work

oh my god

its only trained on a few cities

lol

this is all its training data - What's the weather like in New York?
- How is the weather in London?
- Tell me the weather for San Francisco.
- Will it rain in Tokyo?
- Weather forecast for Berlin
- What's the temperature in Los Angeles?

[hoary sluice]

i fixed it by adding the spaCy geopolitical entity recognier to my pipeline but problem is it only works with english place names cause the speech to text assumes english

so i cant ask what the weather in my city is

maybe ill implement a language setting soon

or auto language detection by whisper

it doesnt recognize antartica as a place??

if the nlp doesnt recognize anything then it defaults to llmquery, which uses ollama, and if ollama isnt running it halts, catches fire, crashes and burns my ram (why??)

aaaaa

[placid cape]

poggers

[spark tiger]

i thought u became a <@&1042507929485586532> but that’s just the cotd

[spring pilot]

The color of the donor role is slightly brighter than the cotd

[placid cape]

[winged mantle]

i'm bored i wonder how hard it is to make a wayfire plugin

[hoary sluice]

https://github.com/cat-milk/Anime-Girls-Holding-Programming-Books

[fleet cedar]

Why does that exist

[spark tiger]

tried to add some error handling to my code but it's so damn confusing

also it now fully works

[atomic brook]

Can't you just

self.read_exact(&mut bytes)?;
u32::from_le_bytes(bytes)

[spark tiger]

let's see

[supple whale]

its STILL getting updated?

holy shity

[spark tiger]

had to wrap it in Ok but yeah that works thanks

alright i'm done with rustrover

[spark tiger]

here we go

i need some good theme

@hoary sluice @placid cape what theme are you using in zed?

not sure which to choose tbh

[placid cape]

Catppuccin Espresso (Blur)

from catpuccin blur

[spark tiger]

argh zed has this bug where pressing ctrl + . or ctrl + , does not work if you're on non-eng keyboard layout

[hoary sluice]

solarized light

[spark tiger]

oh you're using light theme

[hoary sluice]

nah jk im not crazy

catppuccin macchiato blur

/ catppuccin frappe blur

depends on time of day

but usually macchiato

[spark tiger]

i was gen considering using light theme actually

[hoary sluice]

i could never

i just turned on catppuccin latte and my eyes started hurting literally instantly

u can try rosies catppuccin glass but i prefer the blur

catppuccin espresso looks good too but its a bit too dark for me

[spark tiger]

blur for me is #🪅-progaming message

[valid jetty]

you can turn off blur it’s one single bool in the theme

[spark tiger]

time to benchmark

oh my fucking god why is it reading the r arg inside the quotes

[hoary sluice]

are u on a 4k monitor

[hoary sluice]

windows?

[spark tiger]

2k

[spark tiger]

ye

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty is it faster to cargo build release and then run the executable or is caro run just an alias for cargo build && ./out

[hoary sluice]

i mean is it a windows issue?

[spark tiger]

oh i don’t really know, i’m trying to find any similar issue on gh rn

[hoary sluice]

why are u doing 1 run, does it take that long?

if so u can just use time

[spark tiger]

i just tried to add the runs command explicitly to see if the error will be gone but it’s not

[hoary sluice]

it works for me

[spark tiger]

😭

[hoary sluice]

hyperfine -r 'cargo run -r'

works

u prob cant use ' in windows shell

use ""

For Windows Command Prompt (cmd.exe), use:

hyperfine -r 1 "cargo run --release"

For PowerShell, use:

hyperfine -r 1 -- "cargo run --release"

The -- ensures that PowerShell correctly interprets the command inside quotes.

chatgpt is prob right

[spark tiger]

o that fixed it, thank u!

WHYYYYYYYYYY

oh wait

i forgot to remove the println!s

fuck it's still faster

[hoary sluice]

run them individually, more than 1 run

cargo run cant be faster than cargo run -r

[spark tiger]

fair

still python is faster 💔

[hoary sluice]

remove the runs 10

just let it do its thing

dont do cargo run -r, do cargo build and then hyperfile the executable

i think u might be compiling in the hyperfine

[spark tiger]

oh

might be the case

[hoary sluice]

rust should be like 50 times faster

maybe not with file reads

but def not slower than python

[spark tiger]

yay

though why is cargo run rebuilding it if no changes were done

[hoary sluice]

seems more reasonable

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty

warning: backend (bin "backend") generated 2 warnings (run cargo fix --bin "backend" to apply 1 suggestion)
Finished release profile [optimized] target(s) in 0.08s
Running target/release/backend

it does this

even in release

[fleet cedar]

That doesn't look like a rebuild

[hoary sluice]

it isnt

but it does something before running the program

(shows the warnings)

it has to start the compiler, figure out that it already has a compiled target, im guessing by hashing all the files in the project and comparing them against the existing executable (?) and that takes more time than running the python script

it also has to load env variables (RUST_BACKTRACE)

i dont think the exe does that

[spark tiger]

idrk how to fairly compare python and rust version since running both python main.py and cargo run does extra stuff which slows everything down, so i decided to ust time.time() in python and Insant::now() in rust and the results are:

• rust: 0.5119 ms
• python: 1.000881195068359375 ms

actually thought it'd have a bigger performance improvement

maybe because i was running only once

[valid jetty]

it probably doesn’t

[placid cape]

use time.perf_counter_ns() in python for more accurate results

time.time() depends on system's time

[spark tiger]

guh now it's 0.6974 ms for python

why is it almost as fast as rust

what am i doing wrong

[ionic lake]

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[hoary sluice]

not in the arch repos

and if i try to build zed from source it crashes my laptop

[ionic lake]

skill issue...

[gusty hearth]

How do I add attachments to message? (Add pictures)
I wanna send message with pictures from plugin

[hoary sluice]

@valid jetty @placid cape were being fined 1 million american dinero and going to jail for 20 years https://www.404media.co/senator-hawley-proposes-jail-time-for-people-who-download-deepseek/

[frosty obsidian]

i thought we were a free market

[valid jetty]

genuinely the most fucking fearmongering thing ive ever seen in my life

openai REALLY want that $500b to shove up their ass dont they

[royal nymph]

if those things I heard about deepseek apparently stealing openai training data are true then it's not unreasonable to ban it in the US (although american companies should be held to a similar standard when using copyrighted material for training)

Instinctively said EU instead of US cause normally it's the EU banning everything

[valid jetty]

20 years in jail for downloading it tho

like thats as much as a murderer would get holy shit

[royal nymph]

yeah that's a bit much but probably just said to scare people and won't actually be enforced

still insane

[royal nymph]

look at how PetPet sends images

there's promptToUpload and uploadFiles

see which one is suited for you

[gusty hearth]

Thx ill try

[hoary sluice]

theres literally just no way to prove that other than by admission and its just another argument to make openai seem better

"yes they trained this ai on this other ai and now its better" like ???

[hoary sluice]

basically he wants to ban any import and export of ai knowledge and unironically includes open source papers, so youre not allowed to write theses about ai anymore (there wont be any more ai phds), u cant write medical papers that involve ai and u cant publish anything related to ai (my voice assistant diploma thesis is illegal)

this is another "senator im singaporean moment"

[valid jetty]

whats new i guess

they banned the word transgender from being included in academic research papers

every day i wake up to "breaking news"

is it even breaking anymore

[hoary sluice]

https://youtu.be/RgLQCfypDLk

[valid jetty]

lol ive seen this so many times

2 weeks into trumps presidency btw :3

4 years to go

[hoary sluice]

that c++ paper titled "The undefined behavior question" that was deemed anti semitic by the board of c++:

[valid jetty]

LMAO yeah that was fucking insane

[hoary sluice]

idrc what happens in america as long as the palestine ceasefire stays and we get one in ukraine too

[valid jetty]

you didnt see????????????????

trump wants to take over the gaza strip

[ionic lake]

ai outputs are not copyrightable

[hoary sluice]

yea hes fucked if he does that

[valid jetty]

yea

[hoary sluice]

i dont see him trying that

[valid jetty]

he also wants to take over greenland for "natural security"

[hoary sluice]

thats just a stunt for media

[royal nymph]

it's important for a country to protect the interest of their companies over foreign entities especially if there's suspected copyright infringement / fraud that lets the foreign competition gain an unfair advantage

usually that's done via tariffs but you can't really tariff something like DeepSeek

not to mention that AI is a field where letting a Chinese company have control is very dangerous considering many people use AI as a source of truth / search engine and trust it

If China gets a strong grip on consumer AI, they could abuse that to suppress information and push misinformation / chinese government narratives

this field definitely needs to be regulated very soon or it will have bad consequences

[ionic lake]

that's what they say

[hoary sluice]

the problem is you cant regulate open source

theres just nothing they can do

[valid jetty]

i have a better idea

shut down ai altogether

bring back society to 2018

[hoary sluice]

and whats funny is his reasoning behind this is to not give money to china, but the ai is free and using their mobile app or chat website costs them money

[hoary sluice]

thats what hes tryna do

make it illegal to get an ai phd

[valid jetty]

no that is not what hes trying to do lol

[hoary sluice]

i would love if china got a strong grip on ai

[valid jetty]

hes trying to make an openai monopoly bigger than it already is

hes not trying to get rid of ai hes trying to make openai dominate ai

[hoary sluice]

i mean if his bill passes it effectively gets rid of ai

[ionic lake]

back when openai released o1, open source had no idea how to replicate the same, only took a few months

[hoary sluice]

china has much smarter people (prob cause they study like 16h a day, see the codeforces, aoc, and any other competitive programming leaderboard, its mostly china) and they arent as focused on money

[royal nymph]

you are either trolling or insane

[valid jetty]

i mean im both

but yeah

[hoary sluice]

both

i cant sleep

[ionic lake]

kibbler

[royal nymph]

ask DeepSeek about tiananmen square. do you really want that to be the future of information

[valid jetty]

ok now clone the model locally and try again

[ionic lake]

honest opinion but its honestly really stupid that people keep asking that, you want an uncensored llm with 0 guardrails?

[valid jetty]

censorship isnt baked into the model its just the website

[royal nymph]

there is a difference between censoring potentially illegal, dangerous or sexual content and censoring things becsuse they are critical towards the government

[hoary sluice]

china cant propagandise their ai if its open source, the deepseek api from deepseek.com is regulated but the actual model isnt, if you ask it to explain the tiananmen square massacre, itll start explaining it and then cut itself off midway through, if you ask it to explain it in leetspeak, itll explain it fully

[royal nymph]

but no one is gonna use the open source model

[hoary sluice]

what

[ionic lake]

the first one is obvious, 2nd one is just about the same for any company of any jurisdiction

[royal nymph]

the average person who sucks at tech downloads ai app from the app store and uses it as a search engine and trusts its output

[hoary sluice]

the average person uses chatgpt

[ionic lake]

well i just ran ollama run deepseek-r1

[royal nymph]

yes becsuse right now that's what leads the market

if China ever leads the market people will download deepseek and potentially be fed chinese propaganda

do you seriously not see the danger lol

[royal nymph]

no? gpt, gemini, etc is happy to answer questions about things that are critical of the US government

[valid jetty]

atp tiannamen square is a joke

everyone knows about it

they originally only censored it in english

so it wasnt even supposed to be for the chinese users not to ask about it

because they.. wouldnt ask in english

[hoary sluice]

no i dont, search engines are gonna host their own models, theres gonna be non chinese providers hosting it for people, its mainly about the research, most chinese ai is gonna be open source and thatll lead to advancements

[royal nymph]

why are you defending censorship

[hoary sluice]

theyre very hesitant about criticising israel

[valid jetty]

if you control ai you control the media tbh

[royal nymph]

if anything that's just a representation of our society and probably part of what it learned

result of people getting defamed as antisemite nazis the second they criticise Israel in any way

[hoary sluice]

personally i think america is fucked no matter what happens im just happy the eu is doing ok-ish and i wish everyone would join the eu

[royal nymph]

yes and that's the point and why letting China have control in this market is dangerous

[hoary sluice]

true

[valid jetty]

i dont agree that china should have control

[ionic lake]

it can be anyone else other than china

[royal nymph]

yes I don't trust american companies either

[valid jetty]

it shouldnt be openai having a monopoly either tho

[royal nymph]

they also need to be regulated in this field

[ionic lake]

but to everyone, china is a very big problem!!!

[valid jetty]

it should be an even split

[hoary sluice]

i think it should i honestly dont think my european peers or any of the elders would fall for chinese propaganda

[valid jetty]

but openai dominates

[hoary sluice]

this is just an america issue

[royal nymph]

China is objectively much worse than the US in terms of misinformation / propaganda

the US government does not force companies to censor anything

[ionic lake]

political correctness in an chatbot platform gives me the ick yuck

[royal nymph]

|| unless it's like confidential US state secret ||

[hoary sluice]

they do more blatant propaganda but nobody believes them and nobody is going to believe them no matter what new ai they make

[ionic lake]

we will just let chatgpt go haywire with whatever controversial bias it may be trained on

[royal nymph]

I agree but that's a different topic

[ionic lake]

easy

[hoary sluice]

im honestly surprised as to how concerned the us gov is about china

[royal nymph]

In many cases like tiktok they're way too extreme

[hoary sluice]

theyre scared china will become the biggesn economy in the world

and they cant do anything to stop it

banning tiktok isnt gonna do shit and neither is banning ai

"dont sell H100 to china" ok well sell it to americans who will hand deliver it to china

[valid jetty]

have you seen a magat try to defend trump for leaving the WHO and UN HRC lmao

[hoary sluice]

tsa doesnt know what an H100 is

[valid jetty]

its like speaking to a person with a physically rotted brain

[royal nymph]

wtf is a magat

[hoary sluice]

no

word play on maggot?

[ionic lake]

make america great again (twat?)

[valid jetty]

make america great again something idk what t is

but yes its pronounced maggot

UN HRC = united nations human rights council*

[hoary sluice]

they werent very useful either way

[royal nymph]

leaving the WHO is stupid but I'm glad they're being criticised

[ionic lake]

i should have been the president smh

[valid jetty]

i compiled a list of the things hes done so far lol

[royal nymph]

rosie so obsessed with trump

[valid jetty]

its so over

[hoary sluice]

rosie if you werent 9 when brexit happened would you have voted yes or no with hindsight now

[valid jetty]

it can affect us here in the uk, i need to be constantly watching while im still here

[valid jetty]

uhhhh idk

[royal nymph]

expelling trams people from the millitary
https://youtu.be/aotlEpmAFVQ

[ionic lake]

THE ONION

[valid jetty]

TRUE

but either way appparently its because "procedures can take up to a year of downtime in which the person's readiness isnt up to par"

😭