📙-client-mod-wiki

[tardy cedar]

OH GOD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Overview_of_date_formatting_guidelines

it doesnt have date formatting???

[stray knot]

you love

@tardy cedar what fields should the mod infobox have

so far there's Active, Lead developer(s), Language(s), and License

[tardy cedar]

u forgot repo

[rigid jungle]

did we remove index.php thing

[tardy cedar]

maybe platform?

[tardy cedar]

yes

[rigid jungle]

also don't put commits on the infoboxes
it's dumb

[tardy cedar]

^

[stray knot]

ok

[tardy cedar]

• Active: September 2019 - present (4 years old)
• Platforms: Desktop, Web, Android, iOs
• Lead Developers: Vendicated
• Languages: Java, Javascript
• Repository: [https://... foo/bar]
• License: [https://link-to-license GPL-3.0]

anything else to add?

[stray knot]

i can't autoformat fields

i can basically only define custom fields

[tardy cedar]

can u like add explanations to fields

docs

[stray knot]

uhh idk

[tardy cedar]

i changed index.php => article
i added a 404 page: https://wiki.vencord.dev/Vencord
i added webhook log #1216554461984723165

any changes to the wiki (such as page edits, account creations, etc) are logged to #1216554461984723165

[tardy cedar]

@cobalt reef lets set up daily backups of the wiki tomorrow

Pov: we do a little editing

[tardy cedar]

holy fuck we all forgot: server invite & website

• Active: September 2019 - present (4 years old)
• Platforms: Desktop, Web, Android, iOs
• Lead Developers: Vendicated
• Website: https://bananacord.com
• Discord Server: <discord.gg/bananacord>
• Repository: [https://... foo/bar]
• License: [https://link-to-license GPL-3.0]
• Languages: Java, Javascript

like that?

@stray knoter

@royal juniper yo

how to best backup the wiki

preferably to a discord channel (but we could also set up proper backups with backblaze maybe)

[stray knot]

in that order?

[tardy cedar]

i think yea

[signal carbon]

we should put vennie in the art category

and maybe manti's art

[tardy cedar]

TRUE

@terse glacier would u like a wiki page about vennie? similar to https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Shiggy

https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Vennie

we could also add a gallery of artworks if you'd like that

making a backup of the wiki rn

just in case

slow

[royal juniper]

add me soon

nvm shitcord said unknown

[tardy cedar]

do u need account

oh

[royal juniper]

no I have one

shitcord said unknown channel

[tardy cedar]

you love manti slandering u https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/AAGaming

[royal juniper]

just use borgmatic

borgbase pricing is very good and they give you free 10gb

[tardy cedar]

does it beat 6€/tb

[royal juniper]

look at their pricing idfk

https://borgbase.com

borg is amazing

[deep shard]

Was that not Manti? I think when I first checked the wiki it was one of the only ones with any information on it

[tardy cedar]

yeah looks good

10gb free sounds hot, the only things i have that are worth backing up are

• vencloud (~200mb)
• reviewdb (~85mb)
• wiki (idk, rn it's like 8mb)

other stuff is kinda whatever

[deep shard]

Owner Zerebos, (formerly Jiiks)
Kind of makes it sound like Zerebos was formerly named Jiiks though

[tardy cedar]

le comma

ig just remove () tho

[deep shard]

I'm not too keyed into the lore, but I imagine other mods have changed hands at different points? Having a separate previous owner(s) field might be good

[tardy cedar]

powercord is the only one that has that I know of

[deep shard]

Ah, I suppose they generally just break off into their own mods

[stray knot]

enmity changed hands

[terse glacier]

id love one

so sorry i was sleeping

[rigid jungle]

every single vennie documented

[cobalt reef]

Discord backups:

[cobalt reef]

I made the first commit but I didnt include any datws afaik

Nvm I did include troll

[cobalt reef]

@tardy cedar SpecialPages are dead so bad

nvm its working now

probably because I had old link open

[frosty bay]

Shiggycord when?

[meager goblet]

whatd i say, i use mediawiki :')

[tardy cedar]

want an account so u can write urself?

[royal juniper]

you should make my user page not literal slander

also i know a lot abt the powercord incidents

[languid blade]

Why

[royal juniper]

i will write one day

[terse glacier]

sure if i can figure out how to make one and write

wait

[tardy cedar]

LMAOOO

[tardy cedar]

i asked kate too she said she might contribute

[royal juniper]

you love mantika

[tardy cedar]

we could also harass aetheryx

[royal juniper]

LMAO

you love powercord pushing an update solely to break my plugin

[tardy cedar]

but idk if he even wants anything to do with client modding anymore

[royal juniper]

and the rich quotes incident

don't bother aetheryx

imo

[tardy cedar]

even better would be cynthia but for obvious reason we can't ask her lmaoo

[cobalt reef]

WRITEEE

[tardy cedar]

[royal juniper]

cynthia will blow up

[tardy cedar]

maybe trick her into thinking it's for something else

[royal juniper]

LMAO

[cobalt reef]

Do not

[royal juniper]

nah dont

[tardy cedar]

it's for powercord wiki

[cobalt reef]

All things I wrote are factual

[royal juniper]

i know most of what happened

[tardy cedar]

but yeah kate said she can contribute

[royal juniper]

and cynthia slandering me every 3 minutes

[tardy cedar]

also i think @elfin turtle also knows a lot about powercord

[royal juniper]

and having to give me nitro from giveaway

:trol

[tardy cedar]

cause he was mod there

[tardy cedar]

okay buttt keep it objective lmao

[royal juniper]

yeah obv

[tardy cedar]

like don't let ur personal bias take away from the quality

[royal juniper]

it's a wiki ya

[cobalt reef]

I pushed myself real hard to not slander devilbro

[royal juniper]

i don't think bias is literally hiding a commit to break the idea i had though LMAO

[tardy cedar]

i asked zere to contribute to the BD page he said he will once he has time

but zere is a busy man

[royal juniper]

needs to work on block catcher for ps5

make block catcher embed template

put it on zeres page

[tardy cedar]

holy fuck we need to make a block catcher article

[cobalt reef]

Did you ask joober ben

[tardy cedar]

i will make

[royal juniper]

LMAO

do

WAIT MAKE BLOCK CATCHER LEADERBOARD

[tardy cedar]

btw maybe we should buy a proper domain for it if we're gonna make it a serious thing

[royal juniper]

lol

[tardy cedar]

like client-mod.wiki or smth like that

[royal juniper]

do block catcher record list

[cobalt reef]

Imo it can wait a while

Can be done later

[tardy cedar]

yeah agreed

once it's more complete we can move it

[cobalt reef]

Wait how do you make redirect

Oh visual ediyor wrapped it with <nocode

[terse glacier]

how do i get account

[signal carbon]

you ping mantika or vee with your username

[terse glacier]

got it\

@tardy cedar wiki user: shoritsu!

[tardy cedar]

oki

[deft mulch]

is there a copyable template for pages yet

[tardy cedar]

nuh

what for

what page

wing made a template for client (mod) infobox

[late sapphire]

hi @tardy cedar can I get an acct, yellowsink

[tardy cedar]

yus

[graceful hamlet]

this looks like an ad

this looks like urban dictionary

[sleek frigate]

I want an account please, Nuckyz as the name

thanks

[tardy cedar]

true some articles definitely still need work

the vencord support channel article should likely be deleted

it doesn't have much relevance for the lore

[tardy cedar]

do u prefer nuckyz or nookies

ive seen you use both

[sleek frigate]

Nuckyz

[tardy cedar]

like in general not for this specifically

[sleek frigate]

nookies is the joke version lol

[graceful hamlet]

🔥

[tardy cedar]

oooh

[sleek frigate]

both Nuckyz and nookies are pronounced the same

(at least how I say in portuguese)

but you can call me whatever, I don't mind

[tardy cedar]

okay whatever

that's a weird name but alright

[sleek frigate]

I know you are used to nookies, so you can keep that lmao

okay ver

[tardy cedar]

vev

[sleek frigate]

OH

it was vev

fuck I forgot

I dont care I'm calling you ver now muahahaha

ver ding machine

[graceful hamlet]

Nuckyz is a more interesting name

[sleek frigate]

yeah it's the proper way

I use Nuckyz for everything

the only other place I use nookies besides discord is Roblox because it has display names

[late sapphire]

thought: it seems like this aims to be a more general wiki than specifically for vencord only - in that case should plugin wiki pages generally be shared for all implementations of that kind of plugin for multiple mods?

[tardy cedar]

it depends

if its basically the same thing, you can have it all in one page like https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/ReviewDB

otherwise you could have like https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Vencord/ReviewDB

or idk whats the best convention for "subpages"

ig https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Vencord:ReviewDB

[late sapphire]

hmm

probably the former?

[grizzled sail]

https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Vencord/wiki/article/Vencord:ReviewDB/article/wiki/wiki

[rose breach]

should use discord.sex

[late sapphire]

ARGH i hate the visual editor lmao

[rose breach]

(its used for the userdoccers rn)

[tardy cedar]

https://wiki.discord.sex/

[tardy cedar]

wait you guys are using the visual editor?
https://tenor.com/view/you-guys-got-pants-gif-21509874

[rose breach]

lmao

[late sapphire]

yeah im not going to in future im just new to mediawiki sooo

[rose breach]

I usually use visual editor and switch to the good editor when i wanna make style changes

[late sapphire]

yeah makes sense

links with custom text are a pain in the nuts to do in the visual one

[tardy cedar]

how did noone point out that the external link icons are broken

[late sapphire]

oh i noticed but was too busy doing shit to point ouyt

[tardy cedar]

i fixed it

[late sapphire]

coolio

[tardy cedar]

is there a list of all special mediawiki routes

[late sapphire]

yes

its called "special pages" in the sidebar

unless you mean sm else

[tardy cedar]

noooo

@notArticleNotFile {
        not file
        not path_regexp ^/(article|images|resources|skins|api.php|load.php|index.php)[/?]?(.*)
        path_regexp not_found /(.+)
    }

[late sapphire]

hmm

[tardy cedar]

i mean like /api.php, /resources/*, etc

[late sapphire]

oh

[tardy cedar]

the link images were broken because i was missing skins in this list

that matcher is to return a 404 page

[wraith cedar]

Are usernames on the wiki pernament/set in stone? I wanna contribute some stuff, but im still not exactly sure what to go as online.

[tardy cedar]

yes but it will show ur edits under ur old username i think

ur old username will redirect to the new one

@terse glacier how did you upload your files?

did you use https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Special:Upload or a different page?

can we somehow require people to specify file license @cobalt reef

cause its kinda important to specify for non free images

[rose breach]

it forces you to

[tardy cedar]

well no

it doesnt i think

[rose breach]

if you dont check the box, you have to use the upload form and specify a license

image taking a year to upload thanks discord

also im getting this error when trying to include images in infobox

[terse glacier]

i just kinda clicked insert image and it gave me a module

[late sapphire]

are all-lowercase page names okay

[rose breach]

these seem to be missing according to the lua errors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:If_preview
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:InfoboxImage

[tardy cedar]

i dont think its possible

[late sapphire]

oh huh

[tardy cedar]

it redirects to uppercase

[late sapphire]

interesting

[tardy cedar]

maybe u can disable that

why do u need it

[late sapphire]

just thinking along the lines that shelter should be all lowercase and i think theres at least a few notable people who are similar

not really a huge deal tho

[tardy cedar]

oh u can disable auto uppercasing but it means it wont redirect say vencord to Vencord

[late sapphire]

hmm

eh leave it ig

if its gonna break a potential redirect

[tardy cedar]

well check out wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/macOS

they have it on

oh wait

hmmm

[rose breach]

they add this {{Lowercase title}}

[tardy cedar]

ooooh

[rose breach]

to the top of the article

[late sapphire]

oh huh

[rose breach]

the url is still capitalised but it renders lower

[late sapphire]

oh i seee

so lowercase title un-uppercases the first letter

[rose breach]

ye

anyways can someone install the infobox module or idfk how mediawiki works with that stuff

[tardy cedar]

we have it

[late sapphire]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lowercase_title needs this i think

[tardy cedar]

hold on let me import that

[late sapphire]

oh thats WEIRD source code

[rose breach]

bc it complains about missing stuff

{{Infobox software
| name = Discord Build Logger
| preview = true
| image = Discord_Development_Logo_MacOS.png
}}

[tardy cedar]

okay

[tardy cedar]

the "software" template doesnt exist

i think

[rose breach]

it does i found it from the template list

im tired

https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Template:Infobox_software

[tardy cedar]

okay we have lower case title for shelter

[late sapphire]

ah perfect

nice

[tardy cedar]

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Popups

should i add this

[late sapphire]

oh absolutely yea

it feels weird not to have it being used to wp lol

[wraith cedar]

that's fine, I would like an account named Annie then :3

[tardy cedar]

lmao

okay so its not inbuilt

[late sapphire]

brokey 🎉

[tardy cedar]

fixed

hmm no workey

[late sapphire]

no it does

[tardy cedar]

oh yeah it does

nice

cool

i was trying it on a Category page

ig those dont support it

[late sapphire]

oh huh

damn :(

[tardy cedar]

so many extensions

[late sapphire]

heh

[tardy cedar]

wait whats WikiSEO

[cobalt reef]

embeds

[tardy cedar]

A working job queue is absolutely required for this extension to function.

horror

[cobalt reef]

I think it works without job queue too

[rose breach]

okay i wont use the software infobox, u should delete it or install missing stuff again idk how it works

[cobalt reef]

but images are a bit of a problem

[rose breach]

i will use basic infobox

[cobalt reef]

at least it woeked

[rose breach]

just copying the vencord infobox

[graceful hamlet]

this looks just like wikipedia

[tardy cedar]

cause its the same software

with the same theme

[graceful hamlet]

make theme

how do you make theme

[tardy cedar]

https://wiki.vencord.dev/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=monobook

[cobalt reef]

UGLY

[rose breach]

I hate how quickly this thing logs me out

anyways i use the modern theme

[graceful hamlet]

dark them

[tardy cedar]

it shouldnt

[rose breach]

it did smh

[tardy cedar]

@late sapphire mediawiki is mocking u so hard

[late sapphire]

oh are you kidding me

oh its dropped my website

can headers not have the same number as data cells

bingo!

[tardy cedar]

i added a redirect at https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Yellowsink

so you can link urself via [[Yellowsink]]

smh no embed

what the hell is a scor

[late sapphire]

oh its a thing mugman made that runs discord in the macos setting i do not think it is relevant enough for a mention

[late sapphire]

ah k

[cobalt reef]

its a thing at the end trol

[late sapphire]

i mean its not so bad in the editor cause you can do [[User:Yellowsink|]] anyway

[tardy cedar]

WTF

[late sapphire]

LOL

[tardy cedar]

ugly<

[late sapphire]

fair yea

[tardy cedar]

i think instead of linking like this, you'd usually do this instead

[late sapphire]

btw this does not fit here

should be on the swc change page

[tardy cedar]

using the <ref></ref> tag

[late sapphire]

hmm ok

any particular reason or

[tardy cedar]

it does, because it is relevant to vencord's initial growth

[late sapphire]

i find the refs for normal links pretty ugly

[tardy cedar]

well wikipedia does it that way i think

[late sapphire]

i guess i see that but still it doesnt feel it tbh

[late sapphire]

im pretty sure wikipedia only uses refs for citations

[tardy cedar]

mm

well

[late sapphire]

inline links in "how to link" on Wikipedia:External links

[tardy cedar]

it usually has a Notes or External Links section

they dont put external links in the content normally

but ig thats because they normally make wikipedia pages instead of linking to external resources

[late sapphire]

tho in this case as well a ref like this lets us link to the mod pages

so that's a plus

[late sapphire]

yeahhh

I generally have been following like
link to resource mentioned goes inline; link to source of information is a ref

since that feels sensible to me at least

this stuff is probably why WP has such nitpickily in depth documentation loll

[graceful hamlet]

as long as it doesn't go off on a massive tangent i think it's fine

[late sapphire]

I mean I guess the point is that vencord was the first mod to come back properly

but it feels like it's a minitangent about the swc death ig idk

oh btw this wiki is pretty cool btw I think it's neat to finally have one big centralised source of info for all things client modding ^^

[tardy cedar]

well once the SWC page is created we could simplify it to "This led to most other mods being discontinued..." and refer to that page

instead of mentioning the specifics

[late sapphire]

yh

I guess it's case by case as well how much is or isn't relevant

[tardy cedar]

:D

it started kinda non serious which is why some articles are a bit rough still, but yeah we're trying to make it a serious and neutral thing

[late sapphire]

yeah

[tardy cedar]

like just trying to be objective and documenting stuff as is without bias towards vencord (or any other mod)

[late sapphire]

atm it definitely feels like there's a lot more vencord content but I imagine that'll kinda even out

[tardy cedar]

well thats a given considering its mostly written by vencord people xd

[late sapphire]

yep exactly!

[tardy cedar]

and we dont know that much lore about other mods

so its nice that youre helping out

[late sapphire]

honestly likely something I'm helpful for

[tardy cedar]

i also asked zere, smartfridge and kate to contribute to BD, armcord and powercord respectively

[late sapphire]

it's much more obvious to me when something is vc heavy than people here I imagine

[tardy cedar]

all were pretty positive about it and said sure

[graceful hamlet]

vencord.dev still feels weird to me

[tardy cedar]

yeah we plan to move it to a dedicated domain

but its still too early we want to mature more first

[late sapphire]

anyway imma go eat for a bit
but yeah I went through all pages and opened tabs for the ones I spotted potential edits and additions from me on so

[graceful hamlet]

[late sapphire]

:p

[tardy cedar]

enjoy ur meal!!

[late sapphire]

thx!

[tardy cedar]

i mean kate is a given cause shes literally a mod here as well but mainly zere i wasnt sure if he'd be interested xd

i think the only one whod absolutely hate this project would be cynthia

[graceful hamlet]

:zerezoom:

[tardy cedar]

she hates my guts and vencord and everything else

[graceful hamlet]

whyy :C

[tardy cedar]

because she has a very big ego and i was part of the people who were criticising the way she went about powercord development

we used to be close friends actually, and exchanged like 5k dms in total but then she randomly started hating me and deleted all her 2.5k dms

[sleek frigate]

she stopped with the mod scene right

[tardy cedar]

idk man shes just a tough person to interact with kinda

[graceful hamlet]

okay

[tardy cedar]

yeah mostly

[sleek frigate]

the only thing I really know about her is that she was dev for powercord

I had no idea about drama

[tardy cedar]

like powercord had an infamous bug that made patches break displayNames and forced devs to reassign displayNames

kyza prd a fix that was a nobrainer insta merge but she refused to merge it cause she didnt like kyza or cause of her ego orwhatever idek man, so this stupid bug plagued powercord for over a year

[sleek frigate]

and I was mostly a lurker in powercord anyways

[sleek frigate]

lmaoo I remember when that was merged

[tardy cedar]

then other things like the insane crusade against non canary users, banning them from support and attacking them personally over their preference

[sleek frigate]

not supporting stable is so dumb

[tardy cedar]

or her constant hatred for typescript and the GPL, and claiming that "async webpack" (literally sync search wrapped in a promise) is more performant (it actually is the same performance + the extra overhead of the promise) and criticising people for using sync webpack

[sleek frigate]

Vencord is way more likely to have issues from it cuz regex and yet it has no issues

[tardy cedar]

idk just so much really strange stuff, she was just a difficult person

anyway i dont even mean to slander her or whatever, its not fair to talk poorly about someone without them being able to defend themselves

but thats how my experience was

for that reason a lot of prominent people in the community arent too fond of her

[late sapphire]

people who can't separate disagreements over software from personal attacks 😔

oh yeah vizality is one to include in pc drama

thought: we could have a custom infobox template for mods with like, main devs, links to source, site, and servers, stuff like that

[rose breach]

should I add a like build loggers section to the main sections or something
build logger isnt really a client mod or anything

[late sapphire]

hmm

maybe have like, a "misc discord related tools" category of some kind

[sleek frigate]

could add displunger too

[late sapphire]

there's also the vendetta bot that logs builds for mobile if that's relevant

[rose breach]

"Discord Analysis"?

[late sapphire]

hmm

[rose breach]

or just

Discord Tools

tbh

[late sapphire]

maybe just misc tools

[rose breach]

yea

i'll add that

hmm what emoji

⚙️

\⚙️

cogwheel

[late sapphire]

🪄

[rose breach]

i think i prefer the wand yeah

[late sapphire]

oh should I add myself to notable people maybe I should do that

lol

oh I'm there anyway

ven did it

[tardy cedar]

exists

[late sapphire]

oh! nice!

[tardy cedar]

wing made it

[late sapphire]

cool

[tardy cedar]

https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Template:Infobox_mod/doc

[late sapphire]

is it possible to put the categories in this sidebar at all it'd feel tons better on mobile

[tardy cedar]

uhhh

it's just the same mobile theme as wikipedia

we'd have to edit it or make a custom theme

but yeah the mobile theme is meh

[late sapphire]

aw

but yeah

[tardy cedar]

i use desktop theme on mobile xd

you can change in the footer

[late sapphire]

lol

yeah then the sidebar is just tiny

luckily mediawiki has quickcss-like functionality built in!!!

I think at least

it's a thing on Wikipedia at least

[rose breach]

oh at first i thought this was alphabetical but then noticed Lore is in the wrong place 💔

can i make it alphabetical

actually misc tools make more sense above uncategorised tbh

idk

[late sapphire]

I think honestly alphabetical order could be less ideal than a more fine tuned order

[rose breach]

yeah

[late sapphire]

eg plugins near mods, lore near drama

[rose breach]

i'll put it at the bottom ehre

[late sapphire]

mmmk

[rose breach]

ig

the simplest choices are always the hardest

[tardy cedar]

ehre

[rose breach]

ehre

[tardy cedar]

honour

[rose breach]

honour

meow article

[late sapphire]

this infobox is kinda inflexible and the images look pretty crap on desktop i might mess with it in a bit

[stray knot]

sorry this is my first time using mediawiki

don't know that much about templates

[late sapphire]

yeah nw

im trying to figure it out

[stray knot]

i tried to mimic Infobox software from wp but it uses so many modules

oh @late sapphire template parameters are all optional

[late sapphire]

yes

[stray knot]

you don't need the website parameter on the shelter page

[late sapphire]

but if i omit screenshot it doesnt work.

which is what im trying to fix rn

this infobox is inflexible
thats what i meant

oh also it adds line breaks and stuff but i think i can fix that

[stray knot]

weird

[cobalt reef]

imo top one fits better

[stray knot]

ok i see what you mean

[late sapphire]

much better

oh we do not have the infoboximage module

fun

[stray knot]

yeah

[cobalt reef]

I can add if you guys need

[stray knot]

that'd be nice

[late sapphire]

would be helpful

@stray knot i specifically didnt add relative time because this way feels.... well

you'll have to update it all the time

bad

not good

[stray knot]

its rounded

[late sapphire]

yes but still

[cobalt reef]

ok added

[stray knot]

only needs updating every 6 months

[late sapphire]

thx

[late sapphire]

im gonna figure out how wikipedia do it

[stray knot]

and its something vee wanted specified iirc

[late sapphire]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Start_date_and_age
can we just import this template lol

[cobalt reef]

you can

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export

you need to export it from here first

[late sapphire]

oh hm

aha!

so i can do it myself?

[cobalt reef]

actually idk if you have perm to import pages but try

[late sapphire]

hm

[cobalt reef]

https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Special:Import

then import from here

put "en" to prefix

[late sapphire]

no i cant do it

[stray knot]

i wonder how easy it is to change base url in the Wikipedia app source

[late sapphire]

hmm

probably quite easy

oh wait

you mean hmm

[stray knot]

https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-wikipedia

[late sapphire]

god it is insane that so much stuff is implemented in raw mediawiki code

[stray knot]

https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-wikipedia/blob/main/app%2Fbuild.gradle#L49-L50

[ivory copper]

**app%2Fbuild.gradle: **Lines 49-50

buildConfigField "String", "DEFAULT_RESTBASE_URI_FORMAT", '"%1$s://%2$s/api/rest_v1/"'
buildConfigField "String", "META_WIKI_BASE_URI", '"https://meta.wikimedia.org"'

[stray knot]

neat

might give it a try

[late sapphire]

IM SORRY WHAT

WIKIFPEDIA???

[tardy cedar]

FIREEEE

[tardy cedar]

if it's specifically for wikipedia, it likely depends on specific extension and pages and such existing

is there not a general mediawiki app

[stray knot]

i think it just needs rest api

[cobalt reef]

@rigid jungle new project to fork

[rigid jungle]

wha

[cobalt reef]

fork wikipedia app to make it work with our mediawiki

[late sapphire]

actually ive noticed something

wikipedia never uses relative dates and date1-date2 format together

if its relative its always two dates in separate fields

interesting

[stray knot]

from what i can tell its just a build config field you can swap

[rigid jungle]

also if anybody gets to creating my page first don't put any socials other than github

[late sapphire]

i think generally putting socials for other people other than code related is a bad idea mmm

[graceful hamlet]

cruious why

[stray knot]

i have my socials on my user page

[late sapphire]

yea for yourself its w/e

[cobalt reef]

I am only getting slandared in my user page

[late sapphire]

lol

[tardy cedar]

yeah, they can add it themselves if they want

[stray knot]

i redirect Wing to User:Wing

[graceful hamlet]

did you make such a bad plugin you will be harrased

[tardy cedar]

https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Zerebos

just website and github

any other socials naah

[stray knot]

https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Wing

[graceful hamlet]

yeah it's wikimedia not socialmedia

[tardy cedar]

wing insane

[rigid jungle]

cause i don't like sharing all my profiles everywhere publicly
people who need to find me find me anyways
same reason I don't have a single social media account with my real identity

[rose breach]

meow

[late sapphire]

mmmmmmm TABS

[cobalt reef]

https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/mantikafasi

[tardy cedar]

wing gonna move everything from his website to vencord wiki soon

[cobalt reef]

it doesnt embed for redirects I think

so bad

[late sapphire]

also whats up with influential vs notable people

[stray knot]

i haven't updated my website in forever

[late sapphire]

maybe just kill influential people category

[tardy cedar]

@late sapphire

[late sapphire]

lol

[tardy cedar]

notable people was renamed to influential people

influential people shouldn't exist anymore

[stray knot]

it doesn't even have my more recent projects

[late sapphire]

those two statements contradict what

[tardy cedar]

sorry other way round

influential people was renamed to notable people

[late sapphire]

k

[tardy cedar]

where'd u find influential

[rose breach]

I'm influential..

don't forget to lick and subscribe

[tardy cedar]

influential people should be deleted

[late sapphire]

yours and manti's page still link to it

aside from that its a redirect

[graceful hamlet]

you will be deleted

[tardy cedar]

i just removed myself

remove manti and delete the redirect

[late sapphire]

aight imma see if i can get infoboximage to work

[stray knot]

i don't actually know what that does

[late sapphire]

and also it makes it work in hover tooltips which it didnt before :)

[tardy cedar]

who tf is wiz

[late sapphire]

someone in uwunet who has contributed a lot to shelter

enough that id consider them a core developer

[tardy cedar]

are there any mods whose repos aren't on github? maybe we could introduce platform icons for the repo link

[late sapphire]

hmm

[tardy cedar]

like github icon, cobu icon etc

[late sapphire]

could just say like "user/mod on codeberg"

[graceful hamlet]

doesn't a core developer need to be somebody who is a collaborator

[stray knot]

i don't think wp uses icons for stuff like that

[late sapphire]

are we being specific here or though?

http://github.com/ioj4

[cobalt reef]

jumpscare

[tardy cedar]

update

[cobalt reef]

I love having outdated client

its usually I use vencord up to date for a month, then I need to pr something, change repo to mine, forget it exists and realize I was outdated 2 months later

[stray knot]

opening Wikipedia app repo in android studio

place your bets on how long gradles gonna take

[cobalt reef]

it cant be longer than upvote

8 minutes

[rigid jungle]

just use separate installs
my vesktop points to vc+
and canary points to my bencord fork if i need to change something

[tardy cedar]

why do u use vc+ 😭

[cobalt reef]

that makes sense too

[cobalt reef]

TIMEZONEDB

[tardy cedar]

horrrrrooooorrrrrrr

[rigid jungle]

timezone db

[cobalt reef]

I maintain timezonedb there

[late sapphire]

something something shelter timestamp tweaks something

[tardy cedar]

can shelter load at any time or only at document start

vencord shelter loader soon

[late sapphire]

only at document start

should be doable on vencrod

[tardy cedar]

have you tried installing both alongside one another

[late sapphire]

i was gonna write one but ngl i kinda assumed youd never merge it for some reason

so i didnt

[tardy cedar]

i mean i probably wouldn't

because it'd be a nightmare to support

[late sapphire]

hmm

[stray knot]

update: it just finished downloading gradle

on to dependencies

[cobalt reef]

how slow is your internet

oh

[late sapphire]

i mean if its sufficiently clear that it is just loading another mod that is NOT vencord shouldnt it be fine (also lol channel topics)

[muted dawn]

is this the secret conversation club

[stray knot]

my pc doesn't have on board wifi so im using a tplink usb thing

its not great but works decent enough for me

[tardy cedar]

sure https://youtu.be/QFgcqB8-AxE?t=28

[late sapphire]

LOL REAL

[muted dawn]

im retarded tbh but in a good way

[stray knot]

i don't think 250mb in 2 minutes is that bad for most uses

[late sapphire]

also probably the biggest roadblock also is that we currently have uwunet invites closed for....... reasons, so you dont have anywhere to bounce anyone to

[tardy cedar]

what's reasons

or is that private

[late sapphire]

i shouldnt really say publicly yea

but its opsec related

[tardy cedar]

okay

[cobalt reef]

ehhh unless you are downloading 100gb games its fine yea

[tardy cedar]

ongoing fbi investigation in toonlinks crimes against humanity

[late sapphire]

lmao

it finally happened

[stray knot]

gradle syncs take so long for me mostly bc i have a hard drive and not an ssd

[tardy cedar]

basically worst case scenario a shelter plugin breaks and crash loops discord and now we need to instruct people how to debug plugins we have no control over

[late sapphire]

right

hmm

well in the mean time if you want that juicy dual client mod action go use kernel lol both mods have loaders on it

[tardy cedar]

the beauty of how vencord functions is that everything is first party so we can provide complete support and fix stuff immediately

in other mods it's a mess with people sometimes not fixing their plugins for months

and then you have to worry about incompatibilities and such

so it's kinda just a big headache to support

like im all for combining multiple mods but that should be left to advanced users who know how to debug themselves

[late sapphire]

yea fair enough i have background in mods that are designed to work with others so it seems more natural to me than most ig

[stray knot]

what is byte buddy

[late sapphire]

the downside of the first-party way being that i as a plugin developer go "i wanna make a plugin for this mod"
"oh i have to make a fork and build it locally myself and figure out how to get that to load and then before my friend can use it it needs merging and =w= maybe ill just not"

[graceful hamlet]

if vencord isn't getting support for external vencord plugins it's doesn't make sense to support shelter plugins imo

[stray knot]

what does Wikipedia do with it

[graceful hamlet]

java bytecode thing

[late sapphire]

it wouldn't be supporting the plugins as much as literally injecting shelter itself

[tardy cedar]

byte buddy sounds like bonzi buddy ripoff

[late sapphire]

but this is wildly offtopic by now

[graceful hamlet]

uh still

[stray knot]

@cobalt reef 8 minutes

still going

[cobalt reef]

https://bytebuddy.net/#/

[tardy cedar]

anyway banned for advertisements

[cobalt reef]

Byte Buddy is a code generation and manipulation library for creating and modifying Java classes during the runtime of a Java application and without the help of a compiler

WHY

[late sapphire]

[tardy cedar]

wikipedia the type of website to rewrite the linux kernel in lua/php and use it as a mediawiki plugin

[cobalt reef]

it got dukes choice award in 2015

[stray knot]

gradle sync is at the part where android studio freezes

[late sapphire]

i mean theyd just rewrite the kernel in mediawiki syntax

[cobalt reef]

so its ending

[tardy cedar]

LMAOOO

[late sapphire]

like look at the fucking source code of their relative date impl\

ITS ALL MEDIAWIKI

[stray knot]

you'd think

its indexing

now done

10 minutes 37 seconds

[cobalt reef]

10 minutes

I was close

[tardy cedar]

are you sure that isn't just the documentation

tbh i have no idea how templates work, they're really goofy

[late sapphire]

hmm

no look its all like

#if: stuff

[tardy cedar]

lmao that's funny

[late sapphire]

this is absolutely mental

+1 for abuse of html <!-- --> comments to put newlines in their GARGANTUAN mediawiki expr

[tardy cedar]

WHAT IS THAT

[late sapphire]

THAT IS THE SOURCE CODE FOR THE RELATIVE START DATES ON WIKIPEDIA

[tardy cedar]

we will switch to a more sane wiki software

[late sapphire]

lmao

this is why i say, they will rewrite the kernel in mediawiki

aight thats enough wikiing for one afternoon

[tardy cedar]

lmaooo

[cobalt reef]

I mean its not that bad

at least its modular

[stray knot]

well im building rn

hopefully i changed the right thing

[cobalt reef]

is it still building

[stray knot]

some api routes aren't supported

still debugging

im trying to at least log in

[tardy cedar]

wing after build finished afterr 3 hours 47 minutes: fuck i forgot to change this other url

[stray knot]

actually they have convenient property in their application class

they actually have the app to set up to support different mediawikis

just all of them official

FIX

how is it falling back to english Wikipedia

vee may have broken this with the caddy setup

idk

[tardy cedar]

it uses /w/ path

do not

[stray knot]

can't

[tardy cedar]

without /w/

[stray knot]

i can't change

used in too many places

just fix...

[tardy cedar]

try

it just redirects to main page

cause its https://wiki.vencord.dev/api.php

[stray knot]

breaks

still 404

[tardy cedar]

i would need to add an additional rewrite

yeah cause that route makes no sense

well whatever i will add an additional rewrite

once i get on pc

but it really doesn't make much sense

wikipedia is weird

[sleek frigate]

lmao

I did

like days ago

#👾-core-development message

but Vencord is still fully compatible with shelter because shelter does not touch webpack

[late sapphire]

shelter could touch webpack and it'd still work with vencord (unpatching actually could cause issues but for the most part )

[stray knot]

i found something that might fix

so i can log in but other api routes don't work

is this a module or something

@cobalt reef

[late sapphire]

what the hell is the summary

[cobalt reef]

I didnt even know there was rest api

hmm

that uses wikimedia rest api

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_REST_API

me when theres 3 different rest api standarts

[stray knot]

fix

[cobalt reef]

and I think we cant use it?

"Available for Wikimedia projects only"

[stray knot]

guhhhhh

why are they like this

[cobalt reef]

they arereally weird

[late sapphire]

Wikimedia and mediawiki
💀 not confusing at all

[cobalt reef]

@tardy cedar maybe rewrite for rest api too

[stray knot]

whar

[cobalt reef]

action api is extremely deranged

[cobalt reef]

I mean mediawiki rest api

not the one they use in wikipedia app

[stray knot]

insane

[cobalt reef]

today it made me question my own sanity

[stray knot]

so all i can do is log in

nothing else works

eh at least this little test didn't take that long

[cobalt reef]

only few hours

[stray knot]

not even

only like 1 hour

[cobalt reef]

what I dont get is

they are pretty open source friendly

they evne put wikipedia into fdroid

but then they use a API only wikimedia has

[stray knot]

that api has stuff for featured articles and trending and announcements

[cobalt reef]

maybe regular mediawiki rest api wasnt enough and they made it

but still they could made into a module or smthn idk

[stray knot]

yeah

you can put it in the blurb

[tardy cedar]

i would not say succeeded by

that implies it's by the same authors

also please use the Infobox mod template

[stray knot]

already told them

[late sapphire]

does vencord use infobox mod yet

[tardy cedar]

someone needs to go through and update all the existing pages to use mod box

[cobalt reef]

@tardy cedar I will go insane if we dont make a dark theme

Actually wait lemme google

[stray knot]

@cobalt reef https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Dark_mode

[late sapphire]

dark reader actually works really really well on mediawiki just copy it's dark

[cobalt reef]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dark_mode

THERE IS DARK MODE GAFGET

[cobalt reef]

Thats easier

At least we can set it as default prob

Will look tomorrow time to eep

[tardy cedar]

do not set as default

just add

[late sapphire]

I prefer my wikis light

[cobalt reef]

Okay

[tardy cedar]

actually it would be ideal if you could use media query to determine which theme to use

pregers-color-scheme query

[cobalt reef]

We can probably do

[tardy cedar]

black on white is easier to read

scientifically proven

[cobalt reef]

https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/MediaWiki:Common.js

[tardy cedar]

so wiki is better in light theme for most people

[cobalt reef]

If we can toggle theme with js it would be nice

[cobalt reef]

Fair

[late sapphire]

let's make the wiki black on medium yellow then

[cobalt reef]

I will add it as option then

[compact olive]

true

color scheme preference wouldnt hurt either way i dont think

[terse glacier]

pink

[graceful hamlet]

just reimpl https://vencord.dev/ theme

♥

[lofty vigil]

I'm so powerful

[signal carbon]

zeet will make vencord theme for wiki

[compact olive]

wrong

hewill make it twice

[signal carbon]

zeet will make vencord theme for vencordinstaller

and for vb.net

(bd installer)

[rigid jungle]

i wanna rewrite installer in compose
once it supports desktop/native

[graceful hamlet]

rewrite in java swing

[stray knot]

compose desktop is java swing

rn

[graceful hamlet]

REACT NATIVE?? oh right now

[cobalt reef]

this looks a bit uh

weird

Dark Mode works by adding the CSS filter: invert( 1 ) hue-rotate( 180deg ) to the HTML element, and then applies some refinements to MediaWiki UI elements.

increadible

[late sapphire]

it would be way better if you could rip the CSS out of dark reader for Wikipedia

somehow

[cobalt reef]

yeah that looks way better

but uhhh idk

[digital sparrow]

do we have a vennie page

[stray knot]

yes

[digital sparrow]

cool

[tardy cedar]

the random button seems very biased not actually random

a random page can be viewed via Special:Random. this uses the wfRandom() function, which is capable of avoiding duplicate values for up to approximately 4,611,686,014,132,420,609 (i.e., ≈
(
2
31
−
1
)
2
{\displaystyle (2^{31}-1)^{2}}) articles, and the page.page_random values from the page table. the SpecialRandomGetRandomTitle hook can be used to modify the selection criteria.

now that was a lie

[cobalt reef]

THAT IS COMPLETE LIE

random page is the most unrandom thing I seen in a thing

[tardy cedar]

yop

random page code leak:

if (rand(1, 10) == 10) return opencordPage;
if (rand(1, 10) == 10) return huskbotPage;
return pickRandomPage();

[cobalt reef]

do

I really wonder how many times it will show the same page

[tardy cedar]

actually yeah do

fetch it 1000 times

see how the distribution is

[languid blade]

I got ```
1 BetterDiscord
1 Client_Mod_Drama_Generator
2 Aliucord_EncryptDMs_Incident
2 Powercord_Drama
3 No_Text_To_Speech
5 Dziurwa
6 Client_mods
6 ReviewDB
6 Venbot
7 AAGaming
9 Vesktop
11 Dead_System_Exception
11 DevilBro
11 TimezoneDB
11 Vendroid
11 Zerebos
12 Vencord
15 Jiiks
16 Discord_SWC_Change
16 Shiggy
16 V126.21
17 Discord_Build_Logger
18 Huskbot
21 Powercord
22 Shelter
23 Vendicated
25 Aliucord
27 Megumin
34 Smartfridge
35 The_Vencord_Support_Channel
36 Selfbotting
37 Main_Page
43 ArmCord
43 Biscord
51 Ittai
62 Themer
72 Vendetta
113 Vennie
144 Opencord

Totally uniform

[cobalt reef]

its weird that it only shows some pages a lot

and that changes from people to people

maybe its time related?

or maybe time between requests

[tardy cedar]

wait if i understood that correctly

it will generate a unique number between 0 and 1 for each page ahead of time

and to get a random page it generates a number between 0 and 1 and picks the closest page?

[languid blade]

Sort it either by name or frequency

Unsorted is not useful

[deep shard]

Maybe it's not the randomness that's the issue? Maybe opencord and vennie are just so great they're bending the probabilities?

[supple girder]

lmao wtf?????

like actually??

brilliant software thank you very much wikimedia foundation very stable

[tardy cedar]

well that's what i understood anyway

but it doesn't seem like a bad idea

how else would you do it

imagine having millions of rows

good luck efficiently picking a random one

the approach of storing a precalculated random in each row will make performance a lot better

if this is how they do it, the bias might be because the random values for each row are a bit skewed right now but it will even out once you have more articles

[languid blade]

Another approach would be assigning consecutive integers and picking where id == floor(rand() * max_id), but that'd get issues if you delete a page

[deep shard]

That's Manti's laptop you're blowing up. Have some compassion

[tardy cedar]

no it's my server

hop off

we already established that it's biased and why it's biased

[rigid jungle]

lmfao
"random"

poor betterdiscord

is that fetching the pages with more text more often
i cant tell

[deep shard]

I don't think so. Jiiks' and Zere's pages are pretty much empty, and they did alright comparatively. Vee's too

[tardy cedar]

if you scroll up i explained why it might happen

[cobalt reef]

I added more reviewdb lore

@tardy cedar HOW IS GRAMMAR BROKEN

EXPLLODEE

[tardy cedar]

it's just bad grammar

[cobalt reef]

mugman will fix grammar

[stray knot]

german person correcting a turkish mans english

[cobalt reef]

good

[deep shard]

It all seems fine to me

[cobalt reef]

@tardy cedar do your part

themer lore

[deep shard]

You for sure had more to say in the article you posted on the reviewdb site though. You should at least link that article

[cobalt reef]

do you mean vencord-removal page

[deep shard]

Yeah

[tardy cedar]

at 9 april 2023, a website and dashboard has been made by spin.

Dashboard originally only allowed people to look at reviews via discord id. but with increasing amounts of requests by people to opt-out, a page for opting out got added.

[cobalt reef]

good

[deep shard]

It's perfect as it is

[tardy cedar]

on 9th april, a website and dashboard were made by spin

The dashboard originally only allowed people to look at reviews via discord id. but with an increasing amount of requests...

there is no way grammarly didn't flag these

[cobalt reef]

it didnt

[tardy cedar]

then it's bad

[cobalt reef]

ven will buy me premium

who are people above

[tardy cedar]

to make downloading easier, a download page was also added. this page provided links to download ReviewDB for all available client mods that it supports.

this reads really awkwardly and it should be in the present, not past

tense should be present

and simple past if you talk about a specific event that occurred at some time or that is no longer the case

no other tenses

[cobalt reef]

that looks nice

[cobalt reef]

hmm

[deep shard]

Someone gotta make a righteous grammarly that does everything the proper way. The Manti way

[cobalt reef]

soon

I just remembered

there was a ven event in replugged

like 15-20 people named themselfs ven and joined vc

yeah

wait I wonder if I have screenshots

[tardy cedar]

yep

the lore

[cobalt reef]

ohI found something weird

unfinished reviewdb admin dashboard

oh no

ok I dumped some screenshots (I have more) now someone go create page about it

[tardy cedar]

lmaoo

[languid blade]

Could you make the favicon non-animated? It's distracting

[rigid jungle]

it is honestly a bit distracting

maybe vennie should take it's place tbh

[deep shard]

Could the page just be a rendition of 'That's How I Beat Shaq' twisted and skewed a bit so the lyrics are about Ven beating Ven at Know What I Meme?

See! It's bunk. Trust Manti

[cobalt reef]

EDIT LIKE A NORMAL PERSON

INSANE

[languid blade]

Please tell me you're at least using gnu ed for your tomfoolery

[next forge]

guys can we have a bot api history section

[languid blade]

Write one

[cobalt reef]

you can write dolfier

[next forge]

idk enough about it

though i do remember running a selfbot before the bot api existed

oh i could probably write a selfbot section

my beloved

[opaque jewel]

@cobalt reef can i get a uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh account
(username: Cynosphere)

[cobalt reef]

dm

[elfin turtle]

unfortunately i suffer from a severe case of memory loss
though if i ever remember something useful for the powercord wiki entry i'll let you know so i can contribute ofc

[stray knot]

what if the logo was vennie reading an encyclopedia

[graceful hamlet]

moonlight page

[cobalt reef]

it would be a bit distracting imo

[tardy cedar]

it's client mod wiki

not just vencord

nothing vencord specific

[opaque jewel]

soon

[cobalt reef]

ADDDDD

we need cursed client mod mods documented too

[wraith stump]

oh shit I forgot about that lmfao, I mean sure

[stray knot]

im trying to come up with a logo for the wiki but i can't think of any iconography shared by all or most client mods

except the discord logo but can't use that

[languid blade]

Guess discord logo is copyrighted

[stray knot]

discord doesn't like people using their logo

no

[sand owl]

It actually says SCOR!

[opaque jewel]

The

[signal carbon]

can you do shelter

and vaius

and this

https://wiki.vencord.dev/article/Aliucord_EncryptDMs_Incident

mantika's gramma is orror

[tardy cedar]

@scarlet mason upload image instead of linking to didcot message

[opaque jewel]

on the fence about that one

[tardy cedar]

i think we need to move to a proper backup solution soon

[opaque jewel]

i have written BD's history

[tardy cedar]

zere said he will contribute once he has time

EndPwn originally started as spyware due to trust issues justquant had. It was later turned into a general purpose client mod.

normal

[graceful hamlet]

spyware, more like remote access trojan i bet