you wanna make a plugin?
#π§©-plugin-development
sly whale
thank you so much
tribal helm
Lmao
dull magnet
what?
vivid shoal
nothing i was just linking to this in the other channel
frigid bay
turbid spruce
in a modal TextInput how can i make hitting the enter key do something?
viral roost
pretty sure there isnt a dedicated way to do that and you need to add an onKeyUp for it
as in jsx <TextInput onKeyUp={e => { if (e.key === "Enter") { // whatever } }} />
turbid spruce
pretty sure there isnt a dedicated way to do that and you need to add an `onKeyU...
Thank you so much π
stiff cargo
onchange mayhaps
stiff cargo
From my experience it does fire on enter on normal text inputs
oninput is used for continuous
turbid spruce
From my experience it does fire on enter on normal text inputs
it fires on every single change in the textinput?
like for every letter typed
stiff cargo
it fires on every single change in the textinput?
Oh it does? Nvm then :D
frigid bay
Oh it does? Nvm then :D
i think that was a question
turbid spruce
pretty sure there isnt a dedicated way to do that and you need to add an `onKeyU...
yeah this here worked ^^
stiff cargo
On normal html inputs it fires when the value has been changed and you click enter afaik
turbid spruce
that might be true
stiff cargo
But that may not be applicable here
turbid spruce
it aint
stiff cargo
Onkeyup is def better here though
viral roost
its likely true cause textinput uses the input element but yeah it fires on every text change and theres no way to know if it fired from an enter press or not
turbid spruce
does vencord have builtin support for the discord rest api or something similar? like if i wanted to add a quick react button that just reacts with a preset emoji?
viral roost
import { RestAPI } from "@webpack/common", there might be a better dedicated function for what you're trying to do but sometimes it might not be worth it to look for it
turbid spruce
`import { RestAPI } from "@webpack/common"`, there might be a better dedicated f...
hmm do you know any plugins that use it?
so i can take a look?
viral roost
WhoReacted seems to be a good example, you can do a quick ctrl+shift+f for RestAPI in vencord's code
turbid spruce
oh hey i see
turbid spruce
don't use raw restapi
it was jsut an example anyways π
turbid spruce
use the addReaction function
but now that i look at it how does the addReaction function work?
mystic sable
Would this theoretically be a way to simplify macos installation of vencord if I have it run (psuedocode):
some code to determine the latest edition of vesktop, probably through either educated fuzzing or simply checking a file that can be modified through vesktop update client)
git clone vesktop/1.X.X/vesktop.app
basically there's this command that gives an exception to the file needing to be signed or anonymous so that here
idk that's it```i mean tbf this would be super easy to run on my own machine but as macOS advanced user install it would be an interesting thing
i'd have to run some testing before full automation as i imagine (vesktop says "hey u should probs update bro" and gives u option to just run script and all it needs is for you to put in ur password when prompted)
low veldt
right so y'all know how there's a vencord plugin for urban dictionary
yeah is there a plugin with a command to convert your text to AlTeRnAtInG cAsE
if not, how can I make one
frigid bay
right so y'all know how there's a vencord plugin for urban dictionary
.. no I don't?
what's it called
frigid bay
interesting
low veldt
more commands?
it's called UrbanDictionary
anyway how do you make commands in a plugin
frigid bay
#1032200195582197831 pins
tells u how to start writing plugins
u can check how the commands work in the source code of the plugin ur talking about
low veldt
u can check how the commands work in the source code of the plugin ur talking ab...
how can I find it?
fathom carbon
is there any way to check if a user has streamer mode enabled?
frigid bay
i mean there has to be
glass oracle
current user, sure
other user, no
fathom carbon
how do i check if the current user has it enabled?
i dug around with devtools but can't find anything that seems to correspond
fathom carbon
tysm
glass oracle
yw
turbid spruce
yeah is there a plugin with a command to convert your text to AlTeRnAtInG cAsE
i made that actually i can send it your way if you want it?
ThIs Is An ExAmPlE
gusty maple
there is literally a command for it in MoreCommands lmao
clear parcel
no idea sorry, I've messed around very little with webrtc specifically
not risky but extremely hard 
also sorry for airing your pings, I've been rlly busy :/
turbid spruce
Can you make a custom tab like these with just a plugin?
dull magnet
Can you make a custom tab like these with just a plugin?
yes
proud parrotBOT
https://github.com/Vencord/Vesktop/blob/main/src/renderer/index.ts#L40-49
**index.ts: **Lines 40-49
const customSettingsSections = (
Vencord.Plugins.plugins.Settings as any as { customSections: ((ID: Record<string, unknown>) => any)[] }
).customSections;
customSettingsSections.push(() => ({
section: "Vesktop",
label: "Vesktop Settings",
element: SettingsUi,
className: "vc-vesktop-settings"
}));
this is how vesktop adds the vesktop section
jagged matrix
if i rename the labels and add it as a plugin would it replace the label names
time to fuck around and find out
thats
thats absolutely
fucking funny
it removes the section completely
dull magnet
what?
jagged matrix
if i rename the labels and add it as a plugin would it replace the label names
_ _
i fucked around found out
jagged matrix
**index.ts: **Lines 40-49
```ts
const customSettingsSections = (
Vencord.Plu...
i tried renaming the label in here to something else, same as section
i then put it into my userplugins folder, built, and the section was completely removed
funniest shit i ever did
trail talon
no way i just overcomplicated something for the past 2 hours when its as simple as this
jagged briar
Invert some if statements and you good
Also you donβt need else if you have return
dull magnet
make ur variable names a little shorter this isnt java
frigid bay
make ur variable names a little shorter this isnt java
lmao
trail talon
make ur variable names a little shorter this isnt java
yeah dw i changed it, but when i was confused i renamed the variable so it said exactly what it is so i could understand it better
green vessel
hi
trail talon
w sleep schedule
trail talon
frrrr
green vessel
hiiii
jagged matrix
no way i just overcomplicated something for the past 2 hours when its as simple ...
relationship store? what, are we gonna be able to buy friends with a plugin?
jagged matrix
aw man, you dont know how bad i need to buy bitches
pure temple
no way i just overcomplicated something for the past 2 hours when its as simple ...
that's impossible to read ;-;
why not
const all = notifyFor.includes(channelId);
const friend = settings.store.receiveServerNotificationsFromFriends && RelationshipStore.isFriend(message.author.id);
if (!(all || friend))
return;
(even that seems kind of convoluted though but i can't think of anything better)
alternatively,
if (!(notifyFor.includes(channelId)
|| (settings.store.receiveServerNotificationsFromFriends
&& RelationshipStore.isFriend(message.author.id))))
return;
using variables at least means you can separate stuff in a clearer way without creating a pyramid
stuck herald
yes use variables please
spiral knoll
hey how does one load a custom plugin into the client?
junior cove
Check the pins in #1032200195582197831
spiral knoll
thanks, it appears I was just blind lol
exotic valve
they should add this to the stdlib
https://github.com/eagely/adventofcode/blob/main/src/main/kotlin/utils/grid/Grid.kt
potent fox
https://collabvm.org/wiki/Electron @dull magnet
dull magnet
slow and memleaks
potent fox
its anarchy tech wikipedia
https://collabvm.org/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux imma go download DSL
wth dillo browser real
austere mauve
https://collabvm.org/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux imma go download DSL
made by a fan of xnopyt
dull magnet
its anarchy tech wikipedia
anarchy wikipedia is when you put subjective opinion with 0 substance of relevance
potent fox
anarchy wikipedia is when you put subjective opinion with 0 substance of relevan...
yes thats that
this is deranged
potent fox
did studio write this
studio is rust fan
he can not write that
but this text is very true
dull magnet
edit wiki to say people should use crystal
exotic valve
or or π₯Ί π π
exotic valve
i hate kotlin bitwise so much
somebody should make a language where 0 << x does something
so i dont have to do ~(1 << x)
zenith drift
discord.py
anyone has any idea whats causing this shit to happen?
how the script works: i have a database that is changing multiple times in a second, and i have a message in a channel that i have to refresh when the database changes. I only want to edit the message when the new message is different from the old (bc otherwise i would get rate limited).
print(1, old_message)
print(2, new_message)
if str(self.last_sent) != str(self.node_board) and (self.time_edit+3) < time.time():
print('through filter')
message.channel.id = 1190011637084#####
message.id = 1190067321402822658
await message.edit(content = new_message)
old_message = new_message
print('edited')
message_sent_time = time.time()
else:
print('same')
Problem: when this script runs it makes some weird loop between await message.edit(content = new_message) and print('edited') . Most of the time it edits the message four times in the split of a second (attached picture)
it seems illegal
bc its not doing print('through filter')
but it's doing print('edited')
like how?
vast karma
Considering it prints through filter, startup: False and not just through filter, I assume the code above is not what's actually running
zenith drift
Considering it prints `through filter, startup: False` and not just `through fi...
oh yeah sorry. i tried to make it look simpler, forgot about that print from the picture. deleted unnecessary lines from the script
there is something with how fast im executing it
if there is a 1 second cooldown on the script like this: if str(self.last_sent) != str(self.node_board) and (self.time_edit) < time.time()
the loop will occur less
but it still happens sometimes, which causes a rate limit again
this is the actual script rn:
await self.reload()
print(1, self.last_sent)
print(2, self.item_board)
if str(self.last_sent) != str(self.item_board) and (self.time_edit) < time.time() or self.startup == True:
self.time_edit = time.time()
print('through filter, startup: ', self.startup)
self.startup = False
message.channel.id = 1190011637084725349
message.id = 1190096676191485983
text = '\n'.join(f"-{item} | " + self.item_board[item] for item in self.item_board)
embed = discord.Embed(
title="items",
description=text,
color=discord.Color.random(),
timestamp=datetime.datetime.now())
embed.set_footer(
text="12-15 seconds between item refresh"
)
await message.edit(embed = embed)
self.last_sent = self.item_board
print('edited')
else:
print('same')
thorn drift
i dont see a meme channel so this will have to do
steady knot
everything is chrome in the future
thorn drift
i refuse - i started using firefox in 2005 π
we dont talk about the years I used IE and chrome π
chromium isnt that bad but google is pretty evil these days
thorn drift
i dont see a meme channel so this will have to do
the only part about this that's wrong is if you have too many tabs open in one instance opening another to distribute the load to helps - the 1100 tabs I had on my desktop in a single instance didn't get along too well with chromium
rocky jackal
i refuse - i started using firefox in 2005 π
I know I will be chased after for what I'm about to say but
I liked legacy edge
like, a lot
vast karma
Eh, nothing wrong with having bad taste
opaque crest
i dont see a meme channel so this will have to do
There's no a better crossplatform framework alternative
opaque crest
i refuse - i started using firefox in 2005 π
me and the boys literally were born in 2005
thorn drift
There's no a better crossplatform framework alternative
pascal binaries can be compiled for literally every platform from the last 40 years and use a fraction of the resources...
c++ and imgui + some other libraries can also achieve the same thing but with way better performance if it is needed
thorn drift
There's no a better crossplatform framework alternative
also godot lmao
green vessel
but not a browser sorry
opera gx?
thorn drift
chromium based its pretty decent these days
more spying than i like but that's pretty much every browser now
π
opaque crest
pascal binaries can be compiled for literally every platform from the last 40 ye...
that means that people should learn and write code in pascal, right?
is there a transpiler or something similar to make things easier/acceptable to people who code in TS nowadays, for example?
i will not judge pascal because i have never written a single line of code in this lang, but common people will immediactly reject the idea of change entire ecosystem and other things to adopt a new lang
exotic valve
i dont see a meme channel so this will have to do
you could say very similar things about vscode
vernal grove
i dont see a meme channel so this will have to do
naww electron >> other gui shiz π€‘
exotic valve
naww electron >> other gui shiz π€‘
this statement is not conflicting with vim > everything else so i agree with it
opaque crest
i use vim btw
vernal grove
vim.... vim.... i hate it deep from my heart
opaque crest
vim doesnt have a madoka theme
it's over.
exotic valve
i use vim btw
infinite power
vernal grove
i got a challenge for you
code discord in assembly using vim in linux
exotic valve
assembly is too high level
opaque crest
infinite power
where's your god now?
exotic valve
arch on wsl is cursed
opaque crest
absolutely
exotic valve
ive never seen a wsl that isnt ubuntu
vernal grove
same
stuck herald
where's your god now?
running arch, 5.15 kernel. lol
trail talon
i dont see a meme channel so this will have to do
procceds to use tauri
trail talon
assembly is too high level
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exotic valve
01110010 01100101 01100001 01101100 00100000 01101001 01101101 01100001 01100111...
01101110 01100001 01101000 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101111 01101111 00100000 01101000 01101001 01100111 01101000 00100000 01101100 01100101 01110110 01100101 01101100
opaque crest
exotic valve
ah yes because your cut off is in early 2023 you cant apply the rules from advent of code 2022
trail talon
01101110 01100001 01101000 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010...
01110100 01110010 01110101 01100101 00100000 01110100 01110010 01110101 01100101
opaque crest
it's a punched card !!
frigid bay
why did u punch it
paper wraith
.
thorn drift
that means that people should learn and write code in pascal, right?
is there a...
no one will accept it anymore even though its good because they are obsessed with js
opaque crest
why did u punch it
punch **** πππ
dull magnet
no one will accept it anymore even though its good because they are obsessed wit...
developing with html / js is simply superior
dull magnet
also no way you named pascal as an alternative
the alternatives are smth like qt, gtk, winforms, etc
none of these are remotely as portable as web
and imguis are not proper alternatives. they're mostly good for games
making a major ui in an imgui is painful
austere mauve
developing with html / js is simply superior
shh dont feed the elitists
thorn drift
also no way you named pascal as an alternative
it runs on everything from the last 40 years with a single codebase and no local dependencies...
you try and run a basic js app on anything over 20 years old and it just crawls
thorn drift
no but I get angry when software is 200x more bloated than it needs to be for literally no reason
austere mauve
the reason is Its Convenient
thorn drift
pascal is convenient too 
you don't even have to know how to code, we have visual app builders
austere mauve
nvm yeah 80yo mindset
thorn drift
so only old people are allowed to want fast apps that don't waste millions of cycles doing nothing?
thorn drift
the future is doomed π
austere mauve
theres a reason no one is microoptimising every single thing down to the core
dull magnet
you try and run a basic js app on anything over 20 years old and it just crawls
here's your problem: you're using 20 years old hardware
thorn drift
because its more than fast enough
dull magnet
clearly not if you're complaining about people not using your dead boomer lang for "performance"
thorn drift
... I'm going to choose not to be rage bated rn
austere mauve
shoo
dull magnet
have you ever made a decently sized gui app in pascal @thorn drift
thorn drift
have you ever made a decently sized gui app in pascal <@460282899636158475>
no but i tried and I was the problem
dull magnet
if you've never actually made anything then u kinda have no right to talk im ngl
thorn drift
the GUI is really easy I have no clue how to write logic
dull magnet
i made vencord installer with dear imgui (go bindings) and i hated every second of it
it's a pain
html / css is way way nicer to use for developers
thorn drift
the GUI is really easy I have no clue how to write logic
its like using a visual website builder but you can make a whole app ui that way
vast karma
The easy part yeah
dull magnet
its like using a visual website builder but you can make a whole app ui that way
now try making reactive ui
austere mauve
@dull magnet this will be html in 2050 btw https://github.com/nicopap/cuicui_layout
dull magnet
true
thorn drift
<@343383572805058560> this will be html in 2050 btw https://github.com/nicopap/c...
it actually isn't the worst thing ever but they should have used crablang 
austere mauve
what
thorn drift
its rust with 100% less rust
austere mauve
it is rust?
thorn drift
austere mauve
oh my god
thorn drift
whats the problem now
austere mauve
this shit dont even got docs
austere mauve
then what is the difference
austere mauve
sorry im losing braincells
thorn drift
don't need em anyways 
austere mauve
do you have any idea of how long the process of merging a pr is in rust
fuck you MEAN no testing
thorn drift
do you have any idea of how long the process of merging a pr is in rust
at least 1
so to be clear here, they merge stuff like maybe twice a year
rust got something merged 6 minutes ago
austere mauve
man if only you could make stable releases
dull magnet
and the master branch isn't what you're using anyway π ^
austere mauve
and have things be tested in unstable versions
slow charm
fellas is it bad to merge prs
gusty maple
Very bad
dull magnet
if you think the fork of some random guy is more stable and tested than rust that's literally overseen by a large collective of maintainers and users you're delusional
slow charm
vencord is so stable no prs ever get merged
thorn drift
if you think the fork of some random guy is more stable and tested than rust tha...
i think having consistency in what you are working with over a long time after testing a release is worth something.
slow charm
have you ever used rust or are you just talking to talk
thorn drift
i don't like rust because i said so - I'm bored 
austere mauve
its new and shiny ofc he wont like it
uncut lantern
is there a way to remove every possible thing from the service worker? i removed it and its still cached
anyways to uh remove it
thorn drift
its new and shiny ofc he wont like it
zig is cool and its newer
vast karma
Being half a year out of date is not a benefit, I don't understand why you seem to think it is
slow charm
have you ever used zig either
thorn drift
have you ever used zig either
no i only use pascal 
austere mauve
zig is cool cuz it hasnt had drama yet
thorn drift
zig is cool cause random techfluencer said so
no i like the benchmark scores
dull magnet
zig looks like rust at home
thorn drift
oh boy its the netflix guy
austere mauve
see u recognise this person i have no idea who they are
austere mauve
zig is NOT safer
dull magnet
no i like the benchmark scores
please
- either learn some of the languages you're shilling and try making full programs / guis
- or quit yapping
dull magnet
zig is NOT safer
yes it is you're just mad
austere mauve
there's undefined behaviour everywhere
slow charm
zig is glorified c
dull magnet
rust is very unsafe because i was using it once and suddenly 3 crabs started poking my butt
not cool
vast karma
That's a feature, not a bug
austere mauve
yuo're supposed to pet the cab
vast karma
Crustaceans aren't bugs, that's basic biology
austere mauve
π«³ π¦
slow charm
aabiy
thorn drift
yuo're supposed to pet the cab
food
austere mauve
WTF
thorn drift
is it yummy?
dull magnet
yeah
austere mauve
i will pinch out every piece of your body out and grind them
thorn drift
are you a crab 
slow charm
i had shrimp chips recently
vast karma
i will pinch out every piece of your body out and grind them
Chronologically or alphabetically?
austere mauve
i had shrimp chips recently
noy the shimp,,,.
uncut lantern
can i say a hot take
thorn drift
lets have it
thorn drift
it seemed pretty neat
dull magnet
coldest take
thorn drift
hold on imma cook up a really hot take
austere mauve
u burnt all ur takes already
thorn drift
99% of "web3" can be done without blockchain
austere mauve
get his ass off the kitchen
thorn drift
at least i don't think 640k of ram is enough for all of time
potent fox
i made vencord installer with dear imgui (go bindings) and i hated every second ...
writing ui code in code is cancer
austere mauve
99% of "web3" can be done without blockchain
coldest take ever btw federation has existed for ages
potent fox
but there are ui freamworks that let you design stuff with designer
like qt, winforms, WPF
dull magnet
html 
thorn drift
imgui has 2 main graphical designers but the output isn't pretty
potent fox
100mb memoryu
dull magnet
writing ui code in code is cancer
also this is false
writing ui in html / jsx is a breeze
amazing
potent fox
you are insane
austere mauve
maud::html!
thorn drift
i wonder if someone could make a gui with lisp - i google
potent fox
@dull magnet
dull magnet
but xml is <:blobcatcozy:1022020319168450590>
manti when he realises html is just xml
thorn drift
i wonder if someone could make a gui with lisp - i google
they have 
potent fox
manti when he realises html is just xml
android xml views dont need chromium instance tho
austere mauve
you literally write pascal how the fuck are you surprised at lisp
potent fox
I dont hate html css completely
thorn drift
you literally write pascal how the fuck are you surprised at lisp
because lisp is an actual old person lang and i respect those people
austere mauve
its NOT
vast karma
Android ui is a billion times worse than jsx
potent fox
nop
vast karma
Performance, don't know don't care. But writing it? Paaaain
minor jolt
the year is almost 2024
java STILL cannot have abstract static methods
sirs ?
vast karma
>the year is almost 2024
>java STILL cannot have abstract static methods
sirs ?
What would that even mean
thorn drift
still waiting for WASM to take over and end my pain
austere mauve
wasm kinda sucks as is
vast karma
Which class would you call them on
austere mauve
you need js glue code
thorn drift
wasm kinda sucks as is
austere mauve
forgot u dont know anything u say
minor jolt
Which class would you call them on
have abstract class
want to define a class method (eg like an overloaded "constructor" that returns an instance)
want to override said class method in the class that extends the abstract class
want to use abstract class as a generic somewhere else
closest thing to this is method hiding, but it's kind of counter-intuitive
dull magnet
>the year is almost 2024
>java STILL cannot have abstract static methods
sirs ?
how would that even work
that makes no sense
potent fox
Performance, don't know don't care. But writing it? Paaaain
how even lmao
android might have one of the best ui kits in the world tbh
vast karma
>have abstract class
>want to define a class method (eg like an overloaded "cons...
Well, the core idea is sound
If you have a language with actual generics
potent fox
I dont get how people are so fan of jsx
potent fox
html css better
DEATH
austere mauve
components are a good way to organise code and jsx allows you to have them in the same place
potent fox
I bet ven also prefers kotlin c*mpose
austere mauve
vee would make a react native app
potent fox
true
vast karma
android might have one of the best ui kits in the world tbh
I, too, love editing 14 different files when I want to add another button
potent fox
I, too, love editing 14 different files when I want to add another button
???????????
dull magnet
vee would make a react native app
tbh it's kinda better than android dev
austere mauve
told you
dull magnet
androd studio so bad
gradle so bad
slow charm
hop on flutter
potent fox
NOT FLUTTER
dull magnet
flutter better
slow charm
flutter was terrible but i actually do like it now
austere mauve
i will make android discord client in bevy
slow charm
performance wise
austere mauve
it will run at 2400 fps
potent fox
@dull magnet make react native really native when
it will compile into machine code instead of h*rmes
dull magnet
it is native
minor jolt
for me it's apache cordova 
dull magnet
it uses native components
potent fox
and will have worse performance
austere mauve
android machine code is java
runic talon
none of these are remotely as portable as web
why is Qt not as portable as the web?
runic talon
what's a platform you want to run it on that it doesn't run on?
minor jolt
web has truly won at this point. it's pretty much what the JVM bros were envisioning for 20 years
potent fox
doesnt it work on all popular platforms
dull magnet
web runs everywhere and all code you write is guaranteed to be portable
lots of native libraries are os specific or even architecture specific
runic talon
that's why abstractions exist
dull magnet
you have to write different implementations for different systems
the abstraction is javascript
runic talon
that's runtime abstraction so it sucks
potent fox
javascript isnt really the abstraction
potent fox
well maybe it is but at the behind of scenes billion functions are written for each platform
dull magnet
claiming qt is as portable is web is just delusional
there's nothing more portable than web
austere mauve
the abstraction are the web apis
potent fox
claiming qt is as portable is web is just delusional
it isnt but its portable enough probably
if it runs on macos windows and linux
enough for me idk
runic talon
^
potent fox
also noone uses direct web apps on mobile
runic talon
not really but you wouldn't use web either
potent fox
https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/android.html hm it can
actually I think steam link app on quest was qt
runic talon
you are the exception then
minor jolt
Broke: I will write for web to be portable
Woke: I will write for UWP to be portable
austere mauve
in an alternate timeline scheme lisp wouldve been the language of the web
vast karma
You're all missing the point of web apps, that you can try them out without installing shit
austere mauve
truly a horrible timeline we live in
dull magnet
you are the exception then
According to BuiltWith, PWA is used by over 22,000 customers' websites as of January 2023. According to Smashing Ideas, businesses that transition to PWAs often experience a notable boost in engagement, ranging from a minimum of 20% to as high as 250%
slow charm
sexpressions in your browser
potent fox
actually I think steam link app on quest was qt
also any web app already sucks on mobile so 
runic talon
performance on mobile for me is even more important than on desktop
as nobody makes good phones anymore since the S5
austere mauve
web performance will always be good on mobile unless you're really silly
runic talon
According to BuiltWith, PWA is used by over 22,000 customers' websites as of Jan...
I won't argue with data as I don't have any data myself
but I am heavily biased as I never met anyone using PWAs voluntarily
dull magnet
now you have
dull magnet
also any web app already sucks on mobile so <:trolldayruined:986365564870078466>
.. no?
minor jolt
same I prefer pwas where available
potent fox
YEEEES
runic talon
my stance on this topic is, if you like web because it's simple to use then use it
but if you are a multi million dollar company then you should spend some bucks on making the damn thing lean
and as a user, I will always pick a native program over a web one, because I know it will work better
floral plaza
it will work better
honestly depends on the company
dull magnet
but if you are a multi million dollar company then you should spend some bucks o...
why
you do realise if it wasnt for electron/cef there likely wouldn't be official linux clients for a lot of programs
discord, spotify, etc
minor jolt
web bad. black box binary native app good
runic talon
why
because if it's easy or not doesn't matter anymore, you aren't building the thing, your programmers are
runic talon
you do realise if it wasnt for electron/cef there likely wouldn't be official li...
that is a valid point
vast karma
Also significantly easier to mod js than x86
vast karma
Which corporations probably don't see as a benefit but
runic talon
that is a valid point
but the native program should be open sourced as well
then it's not an issue :p
austere mauve
not profitable they dont care
runic talon
Telegram does that, it's a proprietary service, but they have open source clients anyways
their clients are also damn good (compared to Discord, yuck)
vast karma
but the native program should be open sourced as well
Yeah that sure is a thing that would definitely happen
minor jolt
lol
runic talon
Yeah that sure is a thing that would definitely happen
it was a tongue in cheek
exotic valve
you do realise if it wasnt for electron/cef there likely wouldn't be official li...
ok it served its purpose it can go die now
wait i forgot updates are a thing that apps need sometimes
dull magnet
Telegram does that, it's a proprietary service, but they have open source client...
didn't the telegram clients start as unofficial then became official
potent fox
billion dollar company cant make a native app
runic talon
didn't the telegram clients start as unofficial then became official
I think that's the case with Android, but desktop was made in house I'm pretty sure
potent fox
is gonna impact their profit?
dull magnet
yes
minor jolt
I mean not developing a native app is free and developing one costs money so
dull magnet
work on one codebase that works everywhere vs work on multiple different codebases
the speed at which you can push out features becomes much slower, you need to hire more developers, etc
potent fox
I mean not developing a native app is free and developing one costs money so
well yea but those companies are making billions of dollars
developing a native app isnt that hard
vast karma
well yea but those companies are making billions of dollars
And they'd like to keep doing that
That's what capitalism is about
potent fox
just look at telegram also
c++ qt app
pretty decent ui
cross platform
is it really hard to do that
vast karma
It's harder than not doing that
minor jolt
It's hard to maintain probably, developing a commercial app is not the same as throwing something together in Qt for GitHub, it needs planning, timelines, QA etc. Needs to keep up with internal API changes, needs loads of testing due to the diversity of ecosystems that it can run on etc I guess
potent fox
That's what capitalism is about
thats prioritizing money over user experience
vast karma
I'm saying corporations care about money
potent fox
I personally dont want another discord
runic talon
It's hard to maintain probably, developing a commercial app is not the same as t...
Telegram is a company and a commercial project
they just so happen to also make the client open source
it's definitely a smaller company than Discord is, but they are a company
minor jolt
how does telegram even make money ?
weren't they funded by the russian state at some point
potent fox
maybe premium
potent fox
I'm saying corporations care about money
also lets be honest this has nothing to do with corporates
runic talon
they have a "Nitro" equivalent, other than that idk
potent fox
you are just lazy to develop any nativeapps
and want to go easy way and ship 300mb electron to everyone
runic talon
being lazy is fine by me
runic talon
for a personal project it's up to you what you choose
and nobody can tell you otherwise
I might not use your project because I don't like running yet another instance of Chrome, but that's okay
I'm just not the target audience and that's all
minor jolt
imo the biggest hurdle is testing and compatibility with so many different platforms. like people develop native for iOS because it's nice and straightforward
but developing native for windows/linux eh
especially linux
dull magnet
how does telegram even make money ?
they don't
austere mauve
manti loves im making blazingly fast game
potent fox
manti loves im making blazingly fast game
good
vast karma
"Native" on linux isn't even a thing
On some DEs qt is native, on others gtk
dull magnet
its funded by its ceo, a billionaire, throwing his money at it
vast karma
Though that's about ux, not perf
austere mauve
π
austere mauve
(its actually all debug symbols dont kill me)
potent fox
compile for release alhamdulillh
austere mauve
my cpu is so old
dull magnet
telegram is the perfect example of a company throwing their money away and making no profit
so tbh comparing other companies to it isn't really a fair comparison
austere mauve
it takes half an hour to compile without incremental build
potent fox
eitherway I doubt its really that hard to create a crossplatform qt app
dull magnet
so tbh comparing other companies to it isn't really a fair comparison
that's like calling smaller stores bad cause amazon sells cheaper than them
slender osprey
That's what capitalism is about
i heard capitalism
dull magnet
eitherway I doubt its really that hard to create a crossplatform qt app
look at telegram codebase
different implementation for each platform
that's lots of effort to develop and test
austere mauve
so tbh comparing other companies to it isn't really a fair comparison
its actually tax avoidance
dull magnet
and makes it easy to introduce small bugs or uninconsistencys that are more annoying than electron app
i think 99% of users don't even care that it's electron
but they would care about inconsistencies
dull magnet
literally take vencord installer as an example
potent fox
is this really extreme effort
dull magnet
literally take vencord installer as an example
it doesn't run on some older systems
vast karma
Most probably don't know what electron is
austere mauve
yes
potent fox
on crossplatform at most you need consider file paths, permissions and several other stuff
not like you are gonna write rendering engine
austere mauve
i dont use windows why do i need to test and implement smth for it
potent fox
literally take vencord installer as an example
that was some weird thing tho
written in golang with imgui on CGO
minor jolt
vencord installer crystal rewrite when
dull magnet
lewi did web rewrite of vencord installer
will probably finish and merge soon
webview library
potent fox
btw dont you need to write platform specific stuff on vencord installer eitherway
since discord paths
dull magnet
still in go so we don't have to rewrite the logic
dull magnet
btw dont you need to write platform specific stuff on vencord installer eitherwa...
yes ofc
potent fox
also I dont really mind webview on programs as long as its not something critical
austere mauve
potent fox
it usually uses system webview, doesnt take much space and I only use once a year
but for discord 
minor jolt
btw can crystal compile for windows or did they not do that yet
potent fox
guh I hate how steam went full webview route
now it can use up to 1-1.5 gigs of memory
(its sitting on 900mb while I am not doing anything)
austere mauve
true i hate it
minor jolt
austere mauve
the worst part is memory usage doesn't go away even if ui is closed lol
vast karma
One would expect a gaming platform to try to not eat valuable resources
minor jolt
guh I hate how steam went full webview route
always have been but now everything is a react component on top of it
austere mauve
i think it was cef before
minor jolt
it still is
potent fox
always have been but now everything is a react component on top of it
it wasnt
minor jolt
they removed some of the older stuff for friends, settings etc and put everything as web
potent fox
library and friends were react
now they made entire ui react
also in game ui
(it now runs like shit and displays the ingame timer wrong all the time)
minor jolt
old big picture was also web though wasn't it
austere mauve
are we talking about the same react
minor jolt
im pretty sure it was web, i don't remember how i reached that conclusion though
maybe @silver cave knows
austere mauve
library is native
potent fox
aaaagamer
minor jolt
steam is just chilling for me
potent fox
minor jolt
idk
vast karma
steam is just chilling for me
Also hate this multiprocess bullshit
Makes it impossible to know how much ram it actually uses
minor jolt
opens calculator
blame cef probably
time to ask chatgpt to write me a simple html frontend
potent fox
valve earns hundreds of thausands of dollars every day while being private company and they make a terrible CEF implementation
dull magnet
it's pretty small
potent fox
also new in game ui is still buggy
minor jolt
idk why it uses that much for you
potent fox
it's pretty small
1GB ISNT SUPPOSED TO BE SMALL
minor jolt
you mean overlay ?
minor jolt
overlay is kind of buggy nowadays actually, also they still have that horrible bug if you have integrated graphics enabled along with dedicated where it takes like 1 minute to open if you open it from taskbar or icon
potent fox
do you prefer epic games launcher
guess what
epic games is webview too
webview on top of unreal engine
now it destroys both cpu gpu and memory
potent fox
https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/eujhe8/steam_shortcuts_are_slow/
this happens to me too
but I have a laptop I cant disable igpu
minor jolt
does it have both i and dedicated
potent fox
yes
minor jolt
yea idk how that even happens that reddit post is from 1yr ago
i mean unlucky with the steam bug
potent fox
yea
minor jolt
it still has not been fixed
potent fox
@silver cave wake up
minor jolt
i only found out about it because i wanted to use moondeck to stream to my deck from sunshine and the launcher would think the stream has died since it took too long to start
and the dev told me to disable ig
fun fact if i disable it in device manager i can still use my motherboard hdmi out to drive a second monitor but it's just kind of sluggish since no acceleration
so i can still use it for discord etc
sometimes if i reboot the second monitor will get stuck on the mobo logo and i have to enable-disable it again in dev manager to refresh
uncut lantern
the steam app is good though
theres code from 2010 still on it lel
some parts arent updated in ages
potent fox
yop
minor jolt
lol so it's just cut down web
silver cave
lol so it's just cut down web
wrong
js with a custom rendering engine and custom css engine
minor jolt
valve went through the trouble of writing all that
potent fox
js with a custom rendering engine and custom css engine
so still same terribleness
silver cave
uses xml instead of html as well
silver cave
valve went through the trouble of writing all that
yeah
csgo uses it cs2 might use it
potent fox
we need to get rid of javascript
dull magnet
@potent fox what if i told you you can write web ui in xml
silver cave
mantika on his quest to eradicate javascript
potent fox
<@287555395151593473> what if i told you you can write web ui in xml
will it have javascript
dull magnet
if you want
potent fox
mantika on his quest to eradicate javascript
yop
dull magnet
but not necessarily
potent fox
if you want
I dont
dull magnet
okay so only xml is that right
potent fox
there isnt really any difference between xml and html right
vast karma
there isnt really any difference between xml and html right
Minor syntactic things like optional close tags etc
minor jolt
https://brython.info/ you are free to kneel
silver cave
there isnt really any difference between xml and html right
there is
however
xhtml
is just xml html
@dull magnet
viral roost
jsx to html compiler when
silver cave
jsx to html compiler when
you will explode
silver cave
xhtml
potent fox
STOP BRINGING DUMB STUFF
WHAT IS THAT
this is just html but with terrible standart urls
potent fox
okay this is good
iq requirement went from 10 to 20
I think this should be a thing in html too
silver cave
xhtml is funny because for the most part if you have any errors you get GIANT RED ERROR BOX
potent fox
otherwise it becomes a bit confusing
minor jolt
potent fox
["table",
{
"class" : "MyTable",
"style" : "background-color:yellow"
},
["tr",
["td",
{
"class" : "MyTD",
"style" : "border:1px solid black"
},
"#550758"
],
["td",
{
"class" : "MyTD",
"style" : "background-color:red"
},
"Example text here"
]
],
["tr",
["td",
{
"class" : "MyTD",
"style" : "border:1px solid black"
},
"#993101"
],
["td",
{
"class" : "MyTD",
"style" : "background-color:green"
},
"127624015"
]
],
["tr",
["td",
{
"class" : "MyTD",
"style" : "border:1px solid black"
},
"#E33D87"
],
["td",
{
"class" : "MyTD",
"style" : "background-color:blue"
},
"\u00A0",
["span",
{ "style" : "background-color:maroon" },
"\u00A9"
],
"\u00A0"
]
]
]
oh my god
potent fox
whoever thought this
silver cave
horrible
potent fox
deserves to disappear
viral roost
```json
["table",
{
"class" : "MyTable",
"style" : "background-color:yellow"
},
...
whattHeFUCK
potent fox
we need ProtoBufMarkupLanguage
potent fox
yop
silver cave
they use protobuf for like half the stuff in the steam ui
vast karma
```json
["table",
{
"class" : "MyTable",
"style" : "background-color:yellow"
},
...
Isn't that what gets passed to react's CreateElement
silver cave
valve loves jspb
silver cave
Isn't that what gets passed to react's CreateElement
similar
actually yeah same structure
pretty much
but it's at least done by a compiler
potent fox
https://haml.info/ @silver cave
if html is good why people are making crappy rip offs
silver cave
haml is funny
potent fox
nobody deserves this
minor jolt
wow that is deranged
silver cave
WRONG ONE
silver cave
LOL
potent fox
I think they put the wrong image
vast karma
No that's the right one
dull magnet
nobody deserves this
looks very good
potent fox
I will be honest this looks awful too
and for some reason these guys added react integration
dull magnet
you love this horror @potent fox https://github.com/superseriousbusiness/gotosocial/blob/main/web/template/status.tmpl
potent fox
which means they thought someone was gonna use it with react
potent fox
you love this horror <@287555395151593473> https://github.com/superseriousbusine...
WTH is this
bash html
maybe html isnt so bad
potent fox
@dull magnet I believe you
you can create the worrst html ripoff
make perlml
html with perl syntax
minor jolt
i like how the decky store preview page is Vue but the admin panel is react (a lot of their functionality overlaps)
btw @silver cave it's down again lol
potent fox
I dodsed (I did not)
vast karma
make perlml
bfml
minor jolt
funny that you mention it, we probably getting ddos'd again
minor jolt
thank you kind stranger
minor jolt
idk
i have to finish the java shit that deadlines in like 2 hours i do not have time to check lol
dull magnet
database explode?
i stored 36tb of mantikas artworks in your database
minor jolt
@silver cave can you go and switch it to the static json caddyfile again
silver cave
I'll check it soon
silver cave
i stored 36tb of mantikas artworks in your database
true
potent fox
I'll check it soon
do you use one json database
silver cave
do you use one json database
no
we use sqlite
we have a backup of the /plugins json incase the server explodes
which we can just serve with caddy to keep clients working
potent fox
we use sqlite
how does sqlite even cause problems
dull magnet
DONT USE MONGODB
dull magnet
how does sqlite even cause problems
sqlite isn't really optimised for large applications
it's mostly for low traffic services and offline use
postgresql, mariadb and similar are much more production ready
exotic valve
sqlite isn't really optimised for large applications
SQUEALITE
dull magnet
but tbh i doubt decky gets that many requests that sqlite bottlenecks
supple shore
DONT USE MONGODB
minor jolt
but tbh i doubt decky gets that many requests that sqlite bottlenecks
this
our whole database can fit in a 35kb json
we're using sqlalchemy maybe thats a problem who knows
cedar marsh
I learned mongoDB for an internship and never craved SQL more in my life more
dull magnet
<div class="inbox-notifications__item-description">
<strong>person</strong> replied to your shout on <strong>person</strong>'s profile.
</div>
lastfm html so sane
(im scraping lastfm)
oblique lark
person replied to your shout on person's profile.
minor jolt
I remember back in 2018 I ran web discord in chromium on lubuntu on a Pentium 4 with 1gb of ram
I wonder if its possible in current year or discord has gotten too heavy
does chromium even get 32bit releases still
trail talon
I learned mongoDB for an internship and never craved SQL more in my life more
Redis in the right project is >>>
stuck falcon
potent fox
@dull magnet dont forget
plucky dove
<@343383572805058560> dont forget
oh shit I forgot about this
cedar marsh
Why?
dull magnet
<@343383572805058560> dont forget
I won't forget
junior cove
They barely changed the layout though. I'd say the changes that were made were worth it for the media, links, and files pages
potent fox
shitty "protest" aganist the new mobile layout
I doubt its that
I just sent because funny
oblique lark
see the only way to make discord a better platform is to fuck up their servers with data requests. clearly
potent fox
true
austere mauve
I doubt its that
it actually is where that came from
also it wont do anything
except delay data exports for people who actually want them
potent fox
it actually is where that came from
love
frigid bay
shitty "protest" aganist the new mobile layout
I've seen that image months before the new ui became a thing
turbid spruce
how does the profile thing work in this thirdparty plugin? i looked into it and just couldnt figure it out #1032200195582197831 message
for reference this is what i mean by profile thing https://github.com/Syncxv/vc-timezones/assets/47534062/1e2e876e-0797-4bd8-84c0-bc19c1e29835
vast karma
How what works? How it's put there? The tooltip? How it knows the user's time?
turbid spruce
How what works? How it's put there? The tooltip? How it knows the user's time?
how to put it there?
vast karma
turbid spruce
Oh hey i got it
yeah it was because when i was doing it i forgot the patch π€¦ββοΈ
vast karma
Without patches things tend to not happen very much
turbid spruce
yeah ive found out by now
the amount of times i forget to include the patch is insane
vast karma
You can sometimes make useful plugins without patches, but it's uncommon
exotic valve
@dull magnet if i fully write and train an ai on advent of code by myself and use it to get #1 is it cheating
vestal quartz
what if every line of the code had comments explaining what each individual line did
vestal quartz
π https://github.com/eagely/adventofcode/blob/main/src/main/kotlin/utils/grid/G...
LMAOOO
jagged briar
π https://github.com/eagely/adventofcode/blob/main/src/main/kotlin/utils/grid/G...
i stopped doing advent of code midway through this year's cause i was tired of grids
it was getting repetitive
stiff cargo
<@343383572805058560> if i fully write and train an ai on advent of code by myse...
Thereβs a line about that in the rules
exotic valve
Thereβs a line about that in the rules
well where do you draw the line between ai and ```kotlin
val g = simpleDirectedWeightedGraphOf(input.rl()) { a, b -> a.value.code in 0..b.value.code+1 }
return BFSShortestPath(graph, graph['S'], graph['E'])!!.length
amber mantle
timezonedb has been superseded
viral roost
has it actually been a year since timezonedb
potent fox
has it actually been a year since timezonedb
I opened that pr in 2022
ven is SCARED of this
junior cove
I think they're just waiting for you to ask for review a few more times
cedar marsh
timezonedb has been superseded
By what?
cedar marsh
ven is SCARED of this
This is still something I want, but not enough to use as a third party plugin
potent fox
its in vencordplus 
viral roost
gonna make vencordminus which is vencord but just the πΏ plugin
vast karma
That's the important part
stuck jolt
gonna make vencordminus which is vencord but just the πΏ plugin
vencorddivided
its that but half the time it just doesnt work
dull magnet
@potent fox
function p(k) {
return new Proxy({}, {
get: (o, r) => {
if (r === "valueOf") return () => k;
return Object.hasOwn(o, r) || typeof r !== "string" ? o[r] : p(k + r);
}
})
}
module.exports = function run(func) {
with (new Proxy(globalThis, {
has: () => true,
get: (_, key) => key === "func" ? func : (Object.hasOwn(globalThis, key) || typeof key !== "string" ? globalThis[key] : p(key))
})) {
eval(func.toString())()
}
}
stray imp
exotic valve
kotlin runs on all of the devices
opaque crest
kotlin ruined a whole generation
steep vapor
kotlin deserves EoS
steady finch
Hi :3
is there a way to make native HTTP calls inside a vencord plugin ?
i might need it to make requests that are blocked by CORS (not my server so can't change allow them there)
floral plaza
look at how openInApp does it https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/7e395fc6968aced5d45fae55db646def1d555c49/src/plugins/openInApp/native.ts
steady finch
look at how openInApp does it https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/7e395fc...
veri smort
thank 
silk falcon
how do i install this actually
nocturne raptor
anyway to have MoreUserTags to correspond to role color?
mental orchid
No idea what would be the correct channel for this question,
so I'm just gonna ask here: Is there a beginners guide on how to create a Vencord plugin?
To my understanding it's possible for pretty much anyone to do so, but I don't know how.
frigid bay
there isn't really a documentation or anything afaik but u can get started by reading the page in pins in #1032200195582197831
dry patio
how do i install this actually
put it in user plugins
you know its a real shame that this thing isnt in the actual repo yet
its a real real shame
silk falcon
put it in user plugins
thanks
faint siren
can someone merge please π’
https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/pull/1783
opaque musk
if you open the vc chat it'll do that
exotic valve
@potent fox can your windows look like this
potent fox
<@287555395151593473> can your windows look like this
yes
need to lots of customization though
potent fox
aint no way ur doing that in less than 10 hours
same on linux
2 hour setting up WM
8 hour troubleshooting why system is not booting
dull magnet
false
exotic valve
8 hour troubleshooting why system is not booting
me when my gdm theme didnt have the gear icon to switch wm
runic talon
was I banned from #πΎ-core-development because I'm dumb or smth
oh hi @opaque musk lol
opaque musk
oh hi lol
runic talon
was I banned from <#1015063227299811479> because I'm dumb or smth
nevermind just read the topic
minor jolt
not sure where to ask since this channel is the only one I use but is there some way to make discord not open the on screen keyboard on touchscreen
from my understanding it probably happens since the message box gets focus when you open a channel probably
can I somehow make it not do that
remote kestrel
@dull magnet https://cassette-lang.com/ you love, looks crystal inspired somewhat
dull magnet
lisp like
remote kestrel
idk
but
thankfully its not (((((((((((((((((((((((()((((((((((((((()))))(
i like the syntax
vague echo
the block syntax is popular within functional languages
so it's more elixir inspired to me
valid geyser
I wonder why there is not a perfect sending messages translate plugin, which will work with openAI/deepL. For example in the settings you select the output language (english), language type (chill, formal etc) and stuff like that.
If plugin is turned on, each message you SEND is:
- [if your message is not written in english] translated to english -> then send
- [if your message is written in english] checking the vocabulary, grammar etc -> then send
anyone ever considered this type of plugin? especially deepL is an amazing translate tool and it would be really helpful
shadow ruin
/run
worldly oxideBOT
shadow ruin
/run
worldly oxideBOT
shadow ruin
guh
/guh
const { exec } = require('child_process');
const javaCode = `
public class Guh {
public static void main(String[] args) {
System.out.println("Hello from Java!");
}
}
`;
const fs = require('fs');
fs.writeFileSync('HelloJava.java', javaCode);
const javaCommand = 'javac HelloJava.java && java HelloJava';
exec(javaCommand, (error, stdout, stderr) => {
if (error) {
console.error(`Error: ${error.message}`);
return;
}
if (stderr) {
console.error(`stderr: ${stderr}`);
return;
}
console.log(`Java Output: ${stdout}`);
fs.unlinkSync('HelloJava.java');
});```rty68tgkjhkjy
/run
const { exec } = require('child_process');
const javaCode = `
public class Guh {
public static void main(String[] args) {
System.out.println("Hello from Java!");
}
}
`;
const fs = require('fs');
fs.writeFileSync('HelloJava.java', javaCode);
const javaCommand = 'javac HelloJava.java && java HelloJava';
exec(javaCommand, (error, stdout, stderr) => {
if (error) {
console.error(`Error: ${error.message}`);
return;
}
if (stderr) {
console.error(`stderr: ${stderr}`);
return;
}
console.log(`Java Output: ${stdout}`);
fs.unlinkSync('HelloJava.java');
});```@shadow ruin I only received js(18.15.0) error output
Error: Command failed: javac HelloJava.java && java HelloJava
/bin/sh: 1: javac: not found
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