#👾-core-development
limber skiff
^^ ven
charred monolithBOT
limber skiff
aight
I got traumatized when you got mad at megu for a simple commit and I dont wanna do excessive commits lol
austere talon
stop spamming smh 🙄 <@&1015072428843601962>ercel
<@&1015072428843601962>encel
STOP PINGING THE ROLE DISCORD
oh my god
austere talon
someone make a plugin to stop fucking discord from turning things into mentions
so annoying
what happened to wysiwyg
Slate is fake wysiwyg
umbral hedge
the home cloud
austere talon
ye
Nedd to fix that on mobile
idk how to tbh
could do two rows of 3
but that might be weird
umbral hedge
burger menu?
also home kinda unnecessary since normally you can click the website title xd
austere talon
ye it's the same on our site
umbral hedge
grr then we need js or mega cope css
could do without js https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_details.asp
umbral hedge
it's not that cope
austere talon
mm maybe
tidal cloud
shouldn't be super hard
umbral hedge
make the detail a burger menu and summary a full width and escape bounds
that's easy as hell
umbral hedge
why
austere talon
true
umbral hedge
detail doesn't use js
austere talon
details is pretty cool element i used it in faq too
umbral hedge
xd
austere talon
I didn't look at the link u sent
I just assumed it was full example of hamburger menu
like I didn't even read the name, sorry my brain is off
but tbh I don't think I care enough to put extra effort for mobile
hardly anyone will visit on mobile
probably gonna just do 2x3
mobile has more bugs too
oneko in the way
umbral hedge
husk
austere talon
the website looks nice! <@343383572805058560>
thank you 🙏 but I'm not too fond of the download page yet I must fix it soon
tbh idk what to do with the downloads page, I think I like the idea of tabs and a box but the current one is kinda ugly
limber skiff
discord made nitro classic users not able to sync nitro themes 😭
@austere talon what's this part for
limber skiff
yeah
austere talon
it doesn't matter if it isn't
but I think just matching name from message content is better than having that patch
worst case scenario the message has two of the same emote but one renamed
but that's such a niche edge case plus it doesn't even matter much
limber skiff
worst case scenario the message has two of the same emote but one renamed
how would that interferr
you are matching using the id
limber skiff
austere talon
I put the whole bee movie script in and it worked
austere talon
they do
verbal pumice
it renders correct name if youre in the server the emote is from
@limber skiff
austere talon
I posted an emote with 3900 characters of bee movie script as emote name
:3
it shows the entire thing for people who don't have access to it
austere talon
rate
limber skiff
perfect
austere talon
<:AccordingtoallknownlawsofaviationthereisnowayabeeshouldbeabletoflyItswingsaretoosmalltogetitsfatlittlebodyoffthegroundThebeeofcoursefliesanywaybecausebeesdontcarewhathumansthinkisimpossibleYellowblackYellowblackYellowblackYellowblackOohblackandyellowLetsshakeitupalittleBarryBreakfastisreadyComingHangonasecondHelloBarryAdamCanyoubelievethisishappeningIcantIllpickyouupLookingsharpUsethestairsYourfatherpaidgoodmoneyforthoseSorryImexcitedHeresthegraduateWereveryproudofyousonAperfectreportcardallBsVeryproudMaIgotathinggoinghereYougotlintonyourfuzzOwThatsmeWavetousWellbeinrow118000ByeBarryItoldyoustopflyinginthehouseHeyAdamHeyBarryIsthatfuzzgelAlittleSpecialdaygraduationNeverthoughtIdmakeitThreedaysgradeschoolthreedayshighschoolThosewereawkwardThreedayscollegeImgladItookadayandhitchhikedaroundTheHiveYoudidcomebackdifferentHiBarryArtiegrowingamustacheLooksgoodHearaboutFrankieYeahYougoingtothefuneralNoImnotgoingEverybodyknowsstingsomeoneyoudieDontwasteitonasquirrelSuchahotheadIguesshecouldhavejustgottenoutofthewayIlovethisincorporatinganamusementparkintoourdayThatswhywedontneedvacationsBoyquiteabitofpompunderthecircumstancesWellAdamtodaywearemenWeareBeemenAmenHallelujahStudentsfacultydistinguishedbeespleasewelcomeDeanBuzzwellWelcomeNewHiveCitygraduatingclassof915ThatconcludesourceremoniesAndbeginsyourcareeratHonexIndustriesWillwepickourjobtodayIhearditsjustorientationHeadsupHerewegoKeepyourhandsandantennasinsidethetramatalltimesWonderwhatitllbelikeAlittlescaryWelcometoHonexadivisionofHonescoandapartoftheHexagonGroupThisisitWowWowWeknowthatyouasabeehaveworkedyourwholelifetogettothepointwhereyoucanworkforyourwholelifeHoneybeginswhenourvaliantPollenJocksbringthenectartoTheHiveOurtopsecretformulaisautomaticallycolorcorrectedscentadjustedandbubblecontouredintothissoothingsweetsyrupwithitsdistinctivegoldenglowyouknowasHoneyThatgirlwashotShesmycousinSheisYeswereallcousinsRightYourerightAtHonexweconstantlystrivetoimproveeveryaspectofbeeexistenceThesebeesarestresstestinganewhelmettechnologyWhatdoyouthinkhemakesNotenoughHerewehaveourlatestadvancementtheKrelmanWhatdoesthatdoCatchesthatlittlestrandofhoneythathangsafteryoupouritSavesusmillionsCananyoneworkontheKrelmanOfcourseMostbeejobsaresmallonesButbeesknowthateverysmalljobifitsdonewellmeansalotButchoosecarefullybecauseyoullstayinthejobyoupickfortherestofyourlifeThesamejobtherestofyourlifeIdidntknowthatWhatsthedifferenceYoullbehappytoknowthatbeesasaspecieshaventhadonedayoffin27millionyearsSoyoulljustworkustodeathWellsuretryWowThatblewmymindWhatsthedifferenceHowcanyousaythatOnejobforeverThatsaninsanechoicetohavetomakeImrelievedNowweonlyhavetomakeonedecisioninlifeButAdamhowcouldtheyneverhavetoldusthatWhywouldyouquestionanythingWerebeesWerethemostperfectlyfunctioningsocietyonEarthYoueverthinkmaybethingsworkalittletoowellhereLikewhatGivemeoneexampleIdontknowButyouknowwhatImtalkingaboutPleaseclearthegateRoyalNectarForceonapproachWaitasecondCheckitoutHeythosearePollenJocksWowIveneverseenthemthiscloseTheyknowwhatitslikeoutsideTheHiveYeahbutsomedontcomebackHeyJocksHiJocksYouguysdidgreatYouremonstersYoureskyfreaksIloveitIloveitIwonderwheretheywereIdontknowTheirdaysnotplannedOutsideTheHiveflyingwhoknowswheredoingwhoknowswhatYoucantjustdecidetobeaPollenJockYouhavetobebredforthatRightLookThatsmorepollenthanyouandIwillseeinalifetimeItsjustastatussymbolBeesmaketoomuchofitPerhapsUnlessyourewearingitandtheladiesseeyouwearingitThoseladiesArenttheyourcousinstooDistantDistantLookatthesetwoCoupleofHiveHarrysLetshavefunwithth:762552214937796618>
limber skiff
a masterpiece
austere talon
click this
tidal cloud
tbh idk what to do with the downloads page, I think I like the idea of tabs and ...
it looks nice but im not so fond of the codeblock and the buttons in the linux tab, they look chonk
like really chonk
cunning bobcat
also just realised that's issue/PR #666
golden gulch
I was so close
cunning bobcat
rip
golden gulch
I went to double check if I should PR to main before my made the cutecord PR and then by the time I hit the submit button on mine the viewy one had already been posted
cunning bobcat
trolled
limber skiff
epicc
charred monolithBOT
fleet depot
stop spamming stupid issues
The drawbacks of Fame 😔
austere talon
what? @limber skiff
charred monolithBOT
limber skiff
please stop just insta merging <@235834946571337729>
mb
austere talon
there's a noticeable performance difference between inline regex and regex in a variable
I assume because it recompiles the regex every single time (as global regular expressions have state so you have to, and maybe they just do it for all regexes)
and every component must use error boundary 🔫
limber skiff
what? <@235834946571337729>
are you still confused by what I meant?
austere talon
yes
limber skiff
I want you to use the old approach, instead of matching the name using the message content
the new fake nitro feature I added makes fake nitro emotes show like real ones, but the message content isnt actually modified
austere talon
why not just also match emoji urls
limber skiff
so the new approach wouldnt work with it
austere talon
that's still simpler imo
limber skiff
sure then
austere talon
u know what I mean right
I assume u use something like "FakeNitroEmoji" as name right
limber skiff
ye
austere talon
maybe try to look up the emoji by id in the local cache
austere talon
wait no that's not necessary
it should show the real name automatically I think
Well idk
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
jagged cloak
lol aliucord user
charred monolithBOT
Discord Account
587107507600621580
What is it that you'd like to see?
I'd like to blacklist certain servers from the MessageLinkEmbeds plugin, because these servers already have a bot that embeds previous messages. Right now those servers look like this:
Request Agreement
- [X] This is not a plugin request
austere talon
just block the bot 
frail skyBOT
fleet depot
could we get a separate channel for stars 🥺
austere talon
nuh uh
limber skiff
include webp here just in case
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
limber skiff
cool
by using the actual export it even changes the fake name to the real if it finds in the cache
austere talon
looks good? @limber skiff
limber skiff
yop
limber skiff
coc
charred monolithBOT
robust basin
first is a fake second is a real
can there be an indicator when you click it that says its fake
robust basin
well in the case where someone sends multiple emojis you wont see the links if im not mistaken
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1066538528248451072.gif?size=48&quality=lossless https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1066538528248451072.gif?size=48&quality=lossless https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1066538528248451072.gif?size=48&quality=lossless
austere talon
can there be an indicator when you click it that says its fake
yeah i think this is a good idea too
austere talon
just some indicator its fake
limber skiff
well it's an additional patch
robust basin
and that's good?
well if youre moderating and you get like 20 emoji links you wouldnt see
limber skiff
can it be the name
robust basin
theres some rare cases where it would be relevant to know its not real
robust basin
maybe replace this text
limber skiff
name is easier lol
robust basin
honest geyser
coc
Conqueror Of Completion
Vencord's coc is just the right size, and of a perfect content, I love it!
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
This plugin hides the useless buttons (configurable) like the gift nitro button and sticker button
charred monolithBOT
Tell us all about it.
discord updated and i think they just patched vencord clients out of the discord installation
Request Agreement
- [X] This is not a support or plugin request
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
Discord uses it's own HLJS language definition for it's ANSI support, and since there is no ANSI language in Shiki it should fall back to HLJS for this (and work). I tested this before [in the vencord server](#🤖-bot-commands message) and it looked like it worked:
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
maybe someone test if this works fine
it works for me, but just to make sure
also cc @fiery jungle
charred monolithBOT
Shows in which voice channel a user is.
If you click the button with the channel name you can join the voice if you have sufficient permissions to the channel.
Strongly inspired by the BetterDiscord version of this plugin.
austere talon
how are u making it @spark cove
I'm thinking make it open a second modal
on top of the normal settings modal
that will have the list of items
spark cove
oh mine was exactly what u said but in the base modal
austere talon
yeah but I think that will get messy
Once u add like dozens of entries
So I think it's best to have like
Configure Whatever >```with the right arrow
if u click it opens modal specifically for that setting with the multiple entries
spark cove
god i need to name my git stashes
austere talon
and u need to make it extensible
like you can supply any component and it gets some props
spark cove
?
basically i have atom setting types and collection types
so u can do Collection<Atom>
everything is an atom but arrays
austere talon
myOption: {
type: OptionType.Array,
component: ({ index, value, setValue}) => (
<div>... </div>
)
}```you should make it be smth like this
it would render component for every entry in the array
obviously provide premade components for string, number, etc
austere talon
but also have some way to easily build custom ui
So you can for example make like user component
and render the actual user
or guild picker
spark cove
yop i will show how u use it as a plugin dev in 2 pico seconds
austere talon
just pr and we will see
spark cove
had to find out which stash it was cus i dont name them
nah i need to do the ui stuff real quick
austere talon
it should also have some custom newItem method
spark cove
lol i was trolling around with the map type
austere talon
myOption: {
type: OptionType.Array,
component: ({ index, value, setValue}) => (
<div>... </div>
),
createNewItem: () => openGuildPicker()
}```
the undefined shouldnt be there but i did that undefined thing after i stashed these changes
frail skyBOT
austere talon
did anyone test #693
cunning canyon
did anyone test #693
works fine
austere talon
@spark cove when do you think you will finish array settings
- please push your progress
prs like the one of @cunning canyon depend on it
open draft pr rn
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
spark cove
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
btw vap take a look at https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/pull/680
spark cove
sec im figuring out why my vscode extension is exploding
austere talon
megu opened a pr for one of the template Code of Conducts but imo that one is waaaay too professional and doesn't really fit Vencord
so I opened that one as an alternative
Trying to keep it fairly short while covering the most important aspects
austere talon
god i need to find a better way to manage prs
its like really hard to keep track of which ones I looked at, which ones of those pushed new commits after feedback, etc
i wanna get this merged soon but idk how to test it properly https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/pull/568
limber skiff
i wanna get this merged soon but idk how to test it properly https://github.com/...
I don't know either
I'm sure the git part works though
charred monolithBOT
spark cove
LOL
spark cove
SaneCord
spark cove
oh i remember what map was for
i think map needed to be tuple
but i was eepy or something
austere talon
curious why you use not json serialisable types?
why use map over just plain obj
spark cove
regexp keys
austere talon
well thats pretty easy to serialize :P
austere talon
but I meant Maps and whatever else wouldnt be json compliant?
doesnt seem necessary i think
spark cove
not sure i agree
charred monolithBOT
spark cove
yeye the "not sure" is cus im trying to think of what ur saying
austere talon
I'm asking you why you'd want to use Map for settings
instead of just a plain object
spark cove
oh i remember what map was for
well here what i meant was
austere talon
I'm assuming Map is just for key value pairs like text replace right?
spark cove
where u can have duplicate keys btw
austere talon
i think object would be easier to use
spark cove
but the main reason for the new (de)serialization logic is
so we can have non-json setting types
as a part of the settings api itself
austere talon
hmm, I don't think those things belong in settings
other than regex maybe
what other non json types would you wanna use?
I feel like all of those belong in DataStore instead
spark cove
well if u accept regex then arrays would also be possible "non-json" because they can contain regex, and the same with tuples
austere talon
well if u accept regex then arrays would also be possible "non-json" because the...
tbh I'm not sure a regex option is even necessary, you can already easily implement it manually with String option
plus it's a very niche use case
austere talon
idk just seems easier to me that way
or maybe we could provide a regex option but store it as normal string?
spark cove
or maybe we could provide a regex option but store it as normal string?
hows that different than the pr
austere talon
but like
myRegexOption: {
type: OptionType.STRING,
isValid: (s) => { try { return !!RegExp(s); } catch { return false } },
}
i think this is fine
just trying not to overcomplicate the settings api too much so I think keeping it limited to json stuff is a goal
(but feel free to change my mind if u think im stupid)
spark cove
mm i dont get why to limit it tbh
it doesnt really complicate things too much internally, u just add a serialize/deserialize method and its pretty simple
i'd say non-json types arent all that niche, eg dates regex sets
it just shifts the impl difficulty to the plugin dev, and probably induces duplicate logic
austere talon
function serialize(regex) {
return regex.toString();
}
function deserialize(regex) {
return (0, eval)(regex);
}
rate
glass cedar
I agree with vap
spark cove
REAL
austere talon
glass cedar
```js
function serialize(regex) {
return regex.toString();
}
function deseria...
The fuck is that
spark cove
i will add that to the PR
woeful sable
<:shiddohwell:911380206672035840>
add this emoji here NOW
austere talon
ok i did
woeful sable
real
austere talon
woeful sable
austere talon
did u like album @spark cove
spark cove
yop but both times i listened to it there were no stand out trakcs
but its really good
but i dont like saving whole albums
austere talon
oh true i guess, it's just chill album overall
spark cove
i keep remembering one of the songs
thats why i listened again today but
i frorgot which
im just gonna listen to it every now and then til it pops out
spark cove
heh
charred monolithBOT
I'm not sure I like the only pfp approach. I don't know most of my friends by pfp. Why not go for something similar to the mutual friends section instead?
fiery jungle
I LOVE
spark cove
lol
austere talon
god please never pr from the main branch @olive vapor
this is always a jumpscare
use feature branches
austere talon
use feature branches
why the reaction, do you not know what a feature branch is? @olive vapor
olive vapor
I do
austere talon
anyway thanks for the improvements and sorry for the long wait & initial conflict around it, I'm sorry for not doing better at solving it
olive vapor
This is the only time I’ve had someone mention feature branches to me tho. I don’t know what that popup looks like otherwise.
austere talon
there's a lot of issues for maintainers when you pr from main branch
- if they have a cronjob workflow on the main branch and make a merge commit on ur pr they will now be subscribed to ur main branch aka that workflow will email them every time it fails ( i had this happen for someone else's pr, they broke some code and our cron workflow emailed me DAILY for weeks about their fork, i had to beg them to delete their fork )
- that scary popup i showed a screenshot of
- it makes it harder to keep track of merges (Merge branch "main" into main vs Merge branch "improve-lastfm" into main) (not applicable to Vencord because we don't do merges but applicable to other repos)
- it's terrible practice because you now polluted ur fork and just made it harder to pr multiple features at once
just avoid doing that if u can 
charred monolithBOT
spark cove
coc
austere talon
you love vendicated+conduct@riseup.net
i feel weird putting my personal email there when there's multiple maintainers/potential mods but it's not like we have a central email
woeful sable
venconduct
rustic nova
might wanna edit ur name in constants then?
nah dw, i wanted to use my github name
and thanks for merging :D
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
jagged cloak
how its at the top of the file 99% of the time
limber skiff
grammar died
lime stone
ponged to give contributor role, dont mind me :P
hi!
i had to find the yellow message :P
thanks
lime stone
nearly 1k that's nice!
austere talon
coc
austere talon
I hope this makes sense? it's kinda hard to explain
I'm saying
plugin a visited - enabled? no.
plugin b visited - enabled? yes. Enable plugin a (doesn't also enable dependency c of a)
plugin c visited - enabled? no
turbid hatch
but we do have that method (currently unused(?)) that we can switch to if we ever need to go more than one level deep
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
yes
spark cove
trol
@umbral hedge since ur pr will prob be merged before mine do u wanna copy my intersperse util into misc
umbral hedge
yop but not now
spark cove
yop when u do code reviw
spark cove
ye i wrote it above
umbral hedge
wym
spark cove
the part of themes that manages the style in the dom is in src/utils/quickCss.ts
austere talon
the part of themes that manages the style in the dom is in `src/utils/quickCss.t...
wait wdym
split hornet
GO AWAY <@487635071503826955>
g
spark cove
i guess its the same tbh async looks better
austere talon
i guess its the same tbh async looks better
no
Promise.resolve(() => { throw Error() }) throws synchronously
austere talon
yea
austere talon
TYPO 😭
spark cove
haha ikikik
austere talon
yeah.
quick ibex
new fork vapcord
spark cove
ok.
cunning bobcat
what was said
austere talon
the period is so intimidating
spark cove
it is i get flashbacks
cunning bobcat
I just put a period on accident
Shaking my head**.**
spark cove
new fork vapcord
ALREADY REAL https://github.com/Vap0r1ze/vapcord
quick ibex
ALREADY REAL https://github.com/Vap0r1ze/vapcord
where install guide
charred monolithBOT
cunning bobcat
ALREADY REAL https://github.com/Vap0r1ze/vapcord
vapc0rd1ze
cunning bobcat
feat/token-logger when
quick ibex
feat/remote-access-tool when
cunning bobcat
trojan*
charred monolithBOT
woeful sable
yo that's me fr
charred monolithBOT
frail skyBOT
charred monolithBOT
Renamed to fxtwitter and changed url to fxtwitter because
As per the recently added code of conduct maybe not do that and actually and give an option? Tired of keeping up a custom plugin mod and re-building it just because someone decided to troll.
austere talon
why does this person agree with me yet argue against my point
silly
@turbid hatch idk if u saw but the plugin.json contains many unused fields
"hasCommands" and stuff
I think it would be cool if we could incorporate this into the ui
im thinking use some emojis to show what features a plugin has
then allow filtering by those features
turbid hatch
ye, i was planning to do it when redesign is closer to being done
limber skiff
omg the server changed
charred monolithBOT
I'm making this a draft until I make things like this not transform cuz they look hella bad
quick ibex
https://vencord-website.vercel.app/banana
can you even use shiggy on website
like did you ask creator or whatever
honest geyser
https://vencord-website.vercel.app/
really nice
fleet depot
ye, i was planning to do it when redesign is closer to being done
Redesign 👀
quick ibex
you love the TODO email
quick ibex
just a short neon yellow burst imo
or like flash
similar how jumping to messages via links works
austere talon
\🏳️⚧️
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
okay i think its done for now
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
but this is just an initial draft so if u want anything changed just lemme know lewie
quick ibex
but this is just an initial draft so if u want anything changed just lemme know ...
make it so users can change theme themselves
ubuntu is kinda weird, and system preference doesnt actually work on chromium
austere talon
<@96269247411400704> https://vencord-website.vercel.app/cloud/privacy
we can iframe this in vencord settings probably
so u dont have to open ur browser
maybe make a version without the header and stuff
to embed
or just make json endpoint
both work with me
turbid hatch
<@96269247411400704> https://vencord-website.vercel.app/cloud/privacy
oo!
we're very close now then
are you gonna put the site on vencord.vendicated.dev?
turbid hatch
but this is just an initial draft so if u want anything changed just lemme know ...
read through it and it looks good, i dont really see the need to add anything more or remove anything
although instead of saying JSON plain text, you should say stored as compressed JSON
:P
actually mm
the difference is minimal
probably not worth
austere talon
Well we should encrypt it anyway
turbid hatch
yeah
austere talon
I'm not sure how we could encrypt it
turbid hatch
we'll work out how to do that another time
but i think it'll be fine for now
its locked down heavily
austere talon
maybe use the user id as password
uh
I guess that's not actually very safe but means you have no way to recover data from the database
since we only store id hashes
turbid hatch
yeah
and the hashes are different depending on the context
like secret keys vs actual settings
so you cant map a secret key to a settings object
which i thought was very clever of me
spark cove
ew the channel is gay now
turbid hatch
no u
spark cove
real
austere talon
jumpscare
spark cove
what is that even from
spark cove
ohh its a definition thats why its not rendered
turbid hatch
ye
spark cove
lit way to do it
austere talon
looks good mostly but I'm not a huge fan of the rainbow nav
turbid hatch
took me ages to do
austere talon
I think it's too much
spark cove
VEN IS HOMOPHOBIC
turbid hatch
i think the idea was to give each page its own identity color
turbid hatch
so we can still do the colors for each page's header but just drop it from the navbar
which im fine with
austere talon
i think the idea was to give each page its own identity color
we can do that but then it should only colour the page you're currently on
turbid hatch
works for me
austere talon
oh you just said that
turbid hatch
^^
mine was slightly different
it was to remove it from nav completely and just do headers
but each "active" color could be that page's "accent" color
austere talon
I love the [LOGO], great new name for our mod
austere talon
it was to remove it from nav completely and just do headers
oh yes this sounds good
btw i saw installer design on figma
and I'm gonna be veerry honest here
my ass is not implementing that
spark cove
.socials a needs color methinks
turbid hatch
im the one pushing this redesign lol
austere talon
oh sure
turbid hatch
`.socials a` needs color methinks
yeah
this is just my prelim stuff
its far from finished
spark cove
true my bad
austere talon
are you a fan of the channel name emojis
spark cove
feedback on an alpha build
austere talon
lewi could you also implement shiki css variables theme in ur pr?
turbid hatch
when its out of draft i'll accept feedback 
for now i dont wanna cry in a corner about how badly implemented it is rn xd
austere talon
currently we just use github dark theme but that looks bad on light theme
spark cove
are you a fan of the channel name emojis
yea as long as it doesnt get as bad as this