#🧊-off-topic-iceman-only
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thanks!!
also use the cloud sync feature if you want it to save across devices @jagged idol
vencord settings are in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/vencord/preferences.json
usually AppData/Local/vencord/preferences.json on windows or ~/.config/vencord/preferences.json on linux
thx man
@open pasture I delete you
LMAOOOO
imagine
I dont condone it tho
I only made the pr as a joke
block and unblock, ez way
yea
actually idk if that works

Insane
yop
they treated u the same way they did to me
super entitled, even though I dont think they know im friends with you
i think they just do this with everyone
g
social media was made up by the government, so the CIA, FBI, and NSA can control and monitor theu populations and keep power centralized in the hands of authority, if you think about it
its its its its its
yop
hell
SPORIFY? WHAT IS THAT
you listen to mushrooms
everyone here isalready schizphrenic
bait used to be believable
sporify
they don’t want u to know how much they have on you
until they can blame it on something else
@lapis lava
minker
guh
wing has been nin0chatting for far too long
@crude fern @tough drift i am the nsa
i aint talk to no feds
end your existence
yeah because only americans use social media of course
no nin0 november
put nin0 in a room and look at the behavior
In the clurb we all fam
nasa is real world government as all of them are reptiloids who hide the fact that earth is pizza
pretty much every country has theur own version of the cia
💀
it's still not the CIA
get your head out of your burger shithole
snowdin.
whatever shut up brit
im not a brit????
Edward Joseph Snowden (Russian: Эдвард Джозеф Сноуден), born June 21, 1983) is an American former NSA intelligence contractor and whistleblower who leaked ...
lc.g do gay people have rights
BRO THEY MADE HIM RUSSIAN
no.
Why
you dont need pissbot for that
@lapis lava ban @lapis lava
gay people arent real
made up with mk ultra
the lsd is cure for homosexuality
lsd was invented to purge the homos and autistic people
guys what does the silent message plugin do?
by curing them
It's so satisfying clicking the power and volume buttons
(Auto-response invoked by @winter girder)
Good shit
lc.g lsd homosexuality cure
lc.g lsd autism cure
Between 1959 and 1974, several groups of researchers issued reports on the use of d-Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD) in the treatment of children with ...
isnt lsd a screen type or smth
lcd is type of screen
where there is a backlight and the pixels change colour or smth
lsd..
lc.i gorbechev lsd blotter
guys is this gpt code
yes
- noone uses html comments
- css/js code is over commented
question mark button
lmfao
who even comments each row except for chatgpt?
@harsh minnow
yeah
@paper gate
guys 9+10 is countably infinite to be precise
which one does it show rn
it shows different image for everyone lmao

guys
10+9
you got it right
(9 + 10) (base x) = 21 (base y)
(9 + 10) (base x) = 21 (base y)
9(1) + [1(x) + 0(1)] = 2(y) + 1
2y = 8 + x
y = 4 + x/2
x = 10, so y = 9
x = 12, so y = 10
x = 14, so y = 12
x, y = 4 + x/2
answer : 21. it is countably infinite
hypnotizes you to become lobtomizreed for rthe rest of your hdays
rate domains
The word in that domain is not a wholesome funny word. In fact googling it might land you on a watch list
i have nin0.dev (mine) and nin0.ploosh.dev
i might ask hhls for nin0.kitties.cat
Who’s domain is it
husk.monster
@lapis lava
why would that land you on a watchlist
im on a watchlist already
^
the nsa......
I'm on multiple watchlists
i hate them
german secret service is monitoring me
vee is on hundreds of watchlists
terry was right
what for
The word is uh… 
It’s a CP term, and adding .rocks at the end makes it a 1000 times worse
too much trolling?
secret
for fun
they're drawings btw lol
you're not getting on a watchlist that easily
whats wrong with it
its an old name for bunny
derived from coney
FOREVER ROLLING
Sec
thinking about the cyber criminal group who call themselves cyber(nword)
Okay there’s no real way to soften the wording on this
cant belive they named a slur after them.....
That word is a child abuser’s term for underage female parts. 
Idk if the person who owns the domain is aware of that.
Also before you ask, I only know because of doing Trust and Safety work
uh huh.
that's just false lmao

What makes you say it’s false
it's a term used by the anime community to refer to "lolis" (petite / childlike anime characters)
it has nothing to do with irl and especially not "child abusers"
there's no way in hell you're landing on a watchlist for googling that cause there's nothing illegal about it
I mean ive only ever seen the word in abusive contexts
WHAT THE FUCK
Me
@distant stag h
I
SCHOOL JUST SENT THIS OUT
Fbi over racist "jokes" is kinda brazy tho 😭
I am monitoring you too
stop messaging minors seems.... reasonable???
I just skimmed through it idk what ur talking about
Lemme actually read it
ITS TO SCHOOL STUDENTS.
Twitter users when I make a humanly conversation on public discord room (they will cancel me ( there was a minor in chatroom )
Oh
I'm a minor so please leave the server and delete your account ://
😭
whoever sent that you're insane
lmfao
you've been selected to pick cotton at your nearest plantation @crude fern
are you excited
wonder if i will get selected...
new pfp
yeah lmao
chances are it's some bored teenager sending these to his classmates
fbi getting involved is nuts
fbi is crazy, but honestly it should still be investigated
im super curious to find out where it came from
eh what's the point it's legal in the US lmao
And chances are, city cops dont have tools to find out
and they can't just kick some kid from school can they
they can ^^
@crude fern gay
first amendment no?
do they know
freedom of speech =/= freedom from consequence
harassment/hate speech is illegal
no
1984
literally isn't
hate speech is legal in the US
it exists, but people really misunderstand how freedom of speech works
not when directly targeted
hate speech can only be criminalized when it [...] consists of specific threats of violence targeted against a person or group
Hate speech in the United States cannot be directly regulated by the government due to the fundamental right to freedom of speech protected by the Constitution.[1] While "hate speech" is not a legal term in the United States, the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that most of what would qualify as hate speech in other western countries is legally protected speech under the First Amendment. In a Supreme Court case on the issue, Matal v. Tam (2017), the justices unanimously reaffirmed that there is effectively no "hate speech" exception to the free speech rights protected by the First Amendment and that the U.S. government may not discriminate against speech on the basis of the speaker's viewpoint.[2]
delete system32
the messages would fall under targeted hate speech/harassment
whatever, will be interesting to see the fallout for whoever was behind the messages
https://getfedora.org get rid of 40gb of system that way
get pc manager
tomorrow i will hop on…
use ms-dos, dont listen to the shill
Not a real windows fan
why can't I husk vee
@clear portal nin0 is not a real windows fan
try
ing vee
so hateful speech can be a crime its in conjunction with some other unlawful act, in this case harassment
guh i like windows until boot issues and unable to get out of sleep
(fresh install)
network had a skill issue
red star linux
it would get classified as a hate crime
You will love Linux more
lc.gem Coloured classmates have been receiving messages that they "were chosen to pick cotton in a nearby plantation". Is this illegal under US law and can be reported to the police?
While the messages are undoubtedly offensive and harmful, they may not directly constitute a crime under US law. However, depending on the specific wording and intent, they could potentially fall under:
- Hate speech: While protected in many cases, hate speech can be illegal if it incites violence or harassment.
- Harassment and intimidation: If the messages are persistent and threatening, they could be considered harassment or intimidation, which are illegal.
It's crucial to report these incidents to the appropriate authorities. This could include:
- School administration: If the messages are targeting students, the school should be informed immediately.
- Local law enforcement: The police can investigate the matter and potentially take legal action against the sender.
- Federal agencies: In some cases, federal agencies like the FBI may be involved, especially if the messages are part of a larger pattern of hate crimes.
By reporting these incidents, you can help protect your classmates and contribute to a safer environment.
This time you will be one having sleep issues
gotta eat one frog a day to keep the voices away, you have been selected
now that #⭐-starboard is private do we have another way to remove context from messages
(you will turn to aagamer)
so no not illegal
read it all
be happy i am not hopping on nixos
really it's up to law enforcement to decide if this counts
gemini
use the github sponsor money to pay a lawyer instead
fixed my linux install today
?
the distro dev gave me a 15 on the “you are fucked” scale and called my repair process “open heart surgery”
i was kinda grouping the courts in with law enforcement but yeah it'd be up to them
Im expecting the legal eagle to make a video on it soon tbh, this is relevant enough
something tells me students sending troll sms to classmates won't commit "large patterns of hate crimes"
this was a hate crime acted upon a group
wait is there any sort of pattern of the students?

can I install that over ssh
all from same college, same classes or something like that
hate crimes would refer to actual violence or similar
MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS???
doubt that's true lmao
😭
there's no way these are targeted across the nation
it's probably just some tiktok trend or whatever
and kids sending their classmates these
Americans turn racist when they become 12
little fucking hitlers man...
this sounds a lot like pridefall funnily enough
Authorities across the United States are investigating after racist text messages – some with references to “slave catchers” and “picking cotton” reminiscent of the country’s painful and bigoted past – have been received by children, college students and working professionals from unrecognized phone numbers in the wake of the presidential electi...
yeah this sounds like it would qualify as harassment
see now it makes more sense why the fbi is involved
they seem to hace not mentioned the kidnapping threat
the screenshot stella sent made it seem like it was more local
who knew electing a guy that quotes hitler would incite hate in the country
never saw that coming
what the fuck do you mean
you can't deny that they are more likely to be protected
but more will exist
legally yes
wrong, had to wear a facemask like a fucking coward
secretly racist
you of all people should know this, vee
🏎️
I mean yeah to avoid facing consequences like losing your job or people hating you
mario racism
anyways i fully believe that now that trump is planned to be in office that more people will be emboldened by it
but that's not gonna change just cause of different president
???

in periods where presidents were openly racist hate crimes were pretty high, in periods where presidents were antihate, hate crimes were lower
twats gave me the no support role
erhehehehe did you know if you middle click a block on Minecraft that block will now appear in your hotbar slot
in your hand
fuck this server's support
why even create a dev build
if ur gonna give no support for it
its a dev build
and then cry when someone asks for help
v- no support
vban
then dont use it
Done! 
Banned gpgusxn_39390 (@surreal geode)
nina so slow 😭
yes im excited
you're still gonna lose your job or be rejected by peers if you're openly racist
i have no rights
trump or not that won't change
i will make pr to give helper commands to helpers
No way
i cannot tell if you are being intentionally dense or what
guh so complicated
so bad 😭
let me do
(these are ninachat command permissions)
GIVE HER RIGHTS
i am openly racist and yet still have my job
checkmate, liberal /j
so true
@harsh minnow you
you are in the shit country
@paper gate
@harsh minnow
hate speech is actually illegal here
WHAT
bro dont y'all stab eachother outside of tesco for fun???
only tuesdays
So apparently my Mom is taking me to Great Wolf Lodge
the big bad wolf...
Or not
ouppy
you love ouppy
not lavender town
i mean. its a good idea
yes
i am 7'8
ouppy
I am 278cm
......
lc.gem 278cm in ft and in
LC.I maslows hierarchy of needs
illegal
illegal aliens
lc.gem 278cm in ft and in
278 centimeters is equal to 2.78 meters, which is equal to 9 feet and 1.449 inches.
yo this actually true. i need to be a creature please
THERE IT IS
HUSK
ANCIENT ALIENS LIVE
Canada?
uk
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
ah interesting, I didnt know the UK had similar laws
i dont belive they do
i don't belive they have laws
america invented laws
oo
DVD moment

The Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest known law code surviving today. It is from Mesopotamia and is written on tablets, in the Sumerian language c.
-# Book
The Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest known law code surviving today. It is from Mesopotamia and is written on tablets, in the Sumerian language c. 2100–2050 BCE. It contains strong statements of royal power like "I eliminated enmity, violence, and cries for justice."⁽¹⁾
yall should add like more animated decors pls
yap
sb player spotted
the FBI approves
i only have 4k hours on that profile
oh
i play kms mc
how much of that is afk
whar
why dont they craft new schemes for a specific show anynore. when are we getting yellow nickolodeon for spongebob and shit like that
gregtech new horizons but with every single difficulty addon
i know
why would you do that
maybe 6k?
why did i download cyan twice
icic
because my brain is holding me hostage and forcing me to play it
can't, it's forcing me to do that too
i play a game for like 7 hours and then drop it
WHAT THE FUCK
please tell me you just have it open 24/7 even when you don't play
anyone have any good roblox game suggestions
do i buy webfishing
guh why vc toast notifications overlay with the "new" game overlay
tbh theres none
everything is a p2w bs
everything on front page is
whenever I find a new game I like I end up putting thousands of hours in it until I find a new game to do that on
half of my dms are me or someone else yapping autistically about shit they like
its like £4
(i wouldnt play even if i could)
mood
gentoo
iphone 8 cluster
nice iphone 6S
8
my dms with my friend is stuff we find on twitter/bsky and me yapping about some tech stuff and he's eternally confused 
or what @tough drift sent me
I just realized that the 8 and 6S look the same
real
can we ban them
give them drugs first
what if their hobby is drugs
its 10x as fun
real
marry them.
then they start talking about how to roll the optimal joint and exactly how long to inhale a dab
when your special interest is drugs and narcotics
I NEED THIS
i would kill to know a drugdealer
bro is mixing addict with enthusiast smh
i dont need drugs i am already addicted to biting the inside of my cheeks
yet if i said estrogen youd be sooo happy
^^
seems like u are already familiar with the game
why does discord keep asking me to verify if im human
hi
@tough drift @tough drift
this guy has never done dmt
chat i wanna move to Colombia and make cocaine
sorry this girl
@near wharf swishererr
no u dont lmao
broken economy country
she has not heard of fent
i wanna move to los santos and start a cocaine business
i wanna be stabbed to death outside of tesco
san andrea
do they even have tescos in columbia?
prob more gonna be killed for not being straight
movin to new mexico to start a meth business
can i join u
drug abuse != cooking drugs
look at my man walter
he aint never do a drug in his life
vee has insane role list
N
trying out ravynos in a vm, apparently this is actually intended as the main display server rn
they decided to throw out all their previous work for some reason
horror
i'm sorry to say that at least 15k hours are legit gameplay
vencord.plugins.register
phantom forces is the only roblox game i like
it's not p2w
are you the gay version of @void ivy
everyone mixes me up with lewi and fawn
yo anyone got any recomendations for good looking music players for arm linux?
i dont wanna find a way to make waydroid work on asahi
that good lookin?
holon
oh nah i see ur point
fair enough
does Elisa have an arm build?
depends on what DE you use, but it integrates really well with kde at least
and I assume it probably works well in anything except gnome
kde/wayland still cant decide
it does!
oh sick! if you like the look of it, then id say it's the best for kde if you don't want to spend hours configuring something like mpv
there was no reason for you to post this
📲 Check your DMs! You’ve been selected for an official giveaway
Yay!! Omg!!
What virus link do i click
Check your DMs! You've been chosen for the state-sponsored execution
hii wheres my prize
📲 Check your DMs! You’ve been selected for learning how to manually install Arch Linux
were you selected...?
📲 Check your DMs! You’ve been selected for the mines
samuuuuu 😭
wsg
we should do vencord riot
true
📲 Check your DMs! You’ve been selected for 18 hour work days for 7 days a week 🙌
convince vee to bring back starboard
#MakeVencordGreatAgain2024
Vote Samu for next server president
Nope, vote koda for next server president
I will bring back starboard
@lapis lava will be my vice president
I will bring back starboard and remove automod for all regulars 🗣
@keen junco will be my vice president
I will fire all the mods and replace them with people more... aligned with my ideals
I will offer diversity in mod team, but they must like dr pepper
i stay
@cosmic otter will be the minister of health
^^
regulars will say slurs and be furry
Yes you do
regulars need extra automod rules
weird ass cursor (image isnt flipped)
too much
Then they will be executed from the role
whats the point of not having automod then
latter part is based 
❌
we need christmas icon contest NOW
#VoteKoda2024
@cosmic otter will you join samu political party
the fuck is #v
@cosmic otter you will join koda political party
admin chat
im an independent
why giving wing wong no choice
voting for the nixos party
do you plan on implementing a dictatorship
Vee will be my advisor
Nop, you do tho
vee will be relieved of their duties under my presidency
where
Why are you firing them
You'll just ruin vencord
can I be president
They have had too much power over the server
Rightfully so
#makevencordgreatagain
if you join my party, you can be minister of finances
#VoteKoda2024
and embezzel all the github sponsor money
or something idk what minister of finance does
Average venrepublican
We should use the github sponsorship money to improve on vencord smh
You care for nothing but your own bank account smh
he ministers finances
true
github sponsor money should be given back to the users in meaningful ways. The current system centralizes the money in a way that inefficiently benefits vencord
We should hire contractors to improve on vencords current code structure
hf!pomelo veeeeeee
I will make sure the money will be completely dedicated to advancing vencord in a meaningful and efficient manner
we're putting ads in vencord so each user with vencord blue can get money based on how many interactions get on their messages
theres this one game i wanna play sm when i get my new console
lc.google metaphor refantazio
Metaphor: ReFantazio
-# Video game
Metaphor: ReFantazio is a 2024 role-playing game developed by Studio Zero and published by Atlus in Japan and Sega worldwide. Metaphor: ReFantazio was first announced under the codename Project Re:Fantasy in December 2016, with no further information revealed until 2023, and was released for PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Windows, and Xbox Series X/S on October 11, 2024.⁽¹⁾
@paper gate
The money will be dedicated towards making being a member more enjoyable
Nitro giveaways weekly
#VoteKoda2024
didnt know buying votes was legal now...
vcotd
What? No when I take office there will be weekly giveaways smh
To make being a member more enjoyable and rewarding
idk what season of the year is it
exactly...
lc.google what season of the year is it in south hemisphere november 2024
guhh
I do, but I think giving away money isn't the way forward
Interesting device
In this video we take look at one of the most interesting Handheld gaming PCs of 2024! This is the Tecno Pocket Go and it’s basically a controller with a Full blown AMD Ryzen Powered Gaming console inside of a controller! It’s also paired up with set of AR glasses that offer a 215” screen and it’s the first X86 handheld to have a swappable 50Wh ...
Lets not forget how you left vencord and only joined back recently. You abandoned vencord while i stayed and watch the community change
Lets not forget how you left vencord and only joined back recently. You abandoned vencord while i stayed and watch the community change
I couldnt bear to watch how vencord became decrepid and deranged. I am here to fix that. Meanwhile you want to enable degeneracy to the maximum extent
I don't enable degeneracy as I couldn't do anything as i wasn't in power
gd got an update
I said you want to enable degeneracy
So you're saying you would leave vencord in its darkest times? Wow.. what a real leader you are..
People should have freedom of speech
freedom of speech =/= freedom from repercussions
I agree. Which is why there is a mod team
@boreal torrent opinions on machine
Are you going to answer this?

machine
no
i do not need to see people calling themselves slurs, dms exist
neither do i need to see degen sexual/furry roleplay, servers exist for that
Wtj 😭
im using windows 10 21h2, should i update
You're right. You see, i made a mistake in which my opponent wouldnt admit to, he would just deny and deny
Up to you
i dont think so
update to linux
unless u need any new features
real
???
I never stuttered
Still waiting..
I wont leave vencord in its darkest time, because under me, vencord will never have a dark time ever again
linux users try not to promote linux when someone says the word "Windows" challenge
linux
they always fail
Are you sure? Your economic plans seem radical and would fail fast
Letting someone steal money the members need?
vcotd
I like this color
Ever heard of humor?
git pull origin
Yeah but saying those things is still radical and shouldn't be tolerated
We need someone serious and determined, unlike what you are
guh i swear i typed that into the terminal wtf
i did
No
cat sounds has more of a chance than the other ones
honestly I would never use those kind of aliases bc I would just forget to use them
i forgot pnpm buiold
hi 
looooveeeee
i should make these on my future install
you will subshell updatevencord
i also have these
the only alias I use is st
fish? or am i lost
Why is there hang up bytton
i only started using them when my brain decided typing something so short like git pull was too much for me
missed call
i have sy (stg pull) and se (git fetch; and stg rebase FETCH_HEAD) but rarely use them
christmas came early
i have done the stupid
i typed pkill -f vesktop renderer and accidentally killed every renderer process on my mac
Chat have you heard of the new resolution? I present to you... 0p
yum
aaugjkh
@stark herald i saw that
The simpsons note
id beat the shit outta everyone in that fucking room
What the fuck did lisa do 😭
fuck ass snitch
She killed mr burns shush
vcotd
betterdiscord estrogen
bad crop.
i keep jumpscaring myself by lint falling off my clothes
egg.
it falls out and i think its a bug
@stark herald Fres.
@stark herald im in the thick of it everybody knows
discord 
i use that song as my alarm so i wake up before it
im in the
@lapis lava can you forward port 8485 i want to steal your computar
good idea
what is 8485
lc.g port 8485
oh
current mood: chill kevin macleod song with heavy amounts of very quick delay
so it sounds all metallic
@lapis lava guh
i have left termius for this
isnt tabby like electron
your aliases suck get on my level
only git alias you will ever need
use kitty
poorly optimised
lc.g kitty terminal
kitty hates multiplexers
lc.g iterm2
nooope
or foot.... if your.... weird.
Chat my IP is fe80::4712:4f69:f5f4:6ca6%wlan0 🗣️ 🔥
lc.g foot terminal
lc.g iterm open source
actually all that matters
i used t ouse iterm + termius (for ssh) now i use tabby
go ahead
is kitty that good
windows terminal better
if i saw you drowning, id push you under
dr pepper would rescue me
kitty is good
doctor pepper does not have a negligible amount of caffine
or is certified in cpr
am i willing to learn new keyboard shortcuts
i win on both of these fronts
gloom now supports the new feed item type
love
hate
@lapis lava
omgosh who's that
i hope you die an agonizing death
NOT ME
some apple nerd
was there a new server
you look like gods ugliest twink
v.ban
?
oh im gonna cry
nino will end soon
i swear i was here one time and i got kicked
guh 😭
!remind 23s kill god
Alright @crude fern, in 23 seconds: kill god
@water bottle dispenser will explode
@crude fern, <t:1731113494:R>: kill god
my favourite person
!remind 1s Rizzler
Alright @tender kayak, in 1 second: Rizzler
!remind list
@tender kayak, <t:1731113520:R>: Rizzler
tell soda to get sho a 4090
birthday
change banner
kill fres the latnio homo
faggot
is vencord down
faggot again
kill tiramisu
make my website ok
kill god
2000 years
🖕
yea
soda and sho both left like 2 months ago
@cosmic otter can you fix gloom it looks like a material app
but ty

hold on let me check the repo description
lc.g gloom github
?choose "e" "t"
e
looks like i cant
ggs etc
!remind 2m kill @cosmic otter
Alright @crude fern, in 2 minutes: kill @i destroy steamdecks
?choose "1" "2"
1
NOP
vee so powerful
?choose "1" "2"
2
i meant millennia
oneui soooooooo BAD
horror
terrible
garbage
awful
even very big md3 buttons are better
how
silliness
@crude fern, <t:1731113599:R>: kill @i destroy steamdecks
guh i forgot google changed m3 card color slightly so that gradient isn't effective anymore
give me bot token too plss 🥺
@plush notch
yes
why is it required
discordbotclient is probably the most unstable piece of software ive ever seen
why are vendroidenhanced users so brainrotted 😭
guh?
@lapis lava when are you adding components to ninachat
when rewrite done
ask wing to get back to work
i have found a repo
its htop but on svelte + tauri
wing fork ninachat and make wingchat
wdym components
i have changes to the backend locally but prisma migration would force the db to be reset bc its stupid
@paper gate
i don't want to continue unless nino is willing to sacrifice user data
migrate manually
i'm working on card rendering for the client
prisma has its own way it generates sql
(turing-complete embeds)
a manual migration probably wouldn't line up
looks like a load of bullshit
these are components
and would mean doing manual migrations every time the schema gets updated
which is very annoying
it would be very easy if we just didn't care about the data we have already
the worst effect would be bot tokens being gone
can't we just manually restore these too
you can back up the data yes
do u have a chrome extension that turns buzzwords into bullshit with red text
because i want one
it's this
i added a few custom words
also the way you did email verifications is weird
no primary key
prisma does NOT like that
yes
arc has no bookmarks so
i guess im switching to chrome

WHAAAAAAAAT
reason #999999 why i'm never using arc
yea they use pinned tabs
also its funny
because i cant access my own local machines
nino thinks its better than manual sql so its what we're doing
they keep doing google search
i had auto migration tool written but ditched it when we decided to use prisma
my mood rn
kevin macleod
why did prisma studio cause my 2gb vps to die
guess when





