#π§-off-topic-iceman-only
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i wasnβt talking to you
ik
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> person asks same thing repeatedly
> gets same answer and reason why
> asks how to chat in a channel
> I direct them to info channel
> they call me "retard"
this just doesn't make sense at all
welcome to online chatting
what was the point of adding ββ¦?β at the end
why not
cuz info is one of the first channels ud probs go to
feels like that part is why they reacted like that
it does make it sound like youβve got an attitude or something
tbf it doesnt really answer their question
which is what it probably prompted the response
@drifting bobcat meow
attitude from where
he still didnt have to call them a slur
...? doesn't have any aggressive connotation
they did react because of the "...?" but that question mark was not at all bad...it seems they were starting to get a little hostile anyway, and they should not have reacted that way no matter the case. they are clearly just a rude person
It did not warrant that kind of answer obviously but it did seem like a passive agressive question. I dont think theres anything wrong with that since its just discord but I'd still say its passive agressive
aggressive β attitude
maybe they took it like you were expecting them to know that
new youtube video
How a ...? Started an Online War
what...?
why r we caring so much that someone called someone else stupid
yeah true "...?" does feel a bit passive aggressive in a way, maybe thats not the right term but yeah
and to tell somebody to lose their attitude online is a huge sign of being chronically online
happens all the time
And why do you care that we care? Conversations happen
i would personally have no issue banning somebody for that veyr reason
youβll live
but sammy acted correctly
?
at least i think that it was her who timed out
It gives the sense that they should know that channel exists, they were right about attitude though they're clearly in the wrong with what they said
They can keep the mute on them, I won't particularly do anything more
xd
definitely
Hopefully they also learn to not say those things
hewwo
hi kevin
they wont
haii
π
i gave them needy though
they are coming back with FIRE
yeah this
which is why it just felt like they did it just to post a screenshot of it
it was just an unnecessary addition
i don't see why tbh
@fallow drum hey
A bit of a stretch
people like that deserve to be clowned on
public shaming
fr
it helps
I'd say poor wording rather than to get a screenshot out of it
they shouldn't have acted the way they did and called somebody a retard i mean tbf
"lose the attitude" proceeds to say a slur
Rosie is a clown irl
eh iβve seen it happen a few times
publicly shaming someone for their unwarranted disrespectful actions decreases the chance they'll do it again!
wait is the hard r even a slur
?
hard r is the n word
the passive aggressiveness, unnecessary comments and then posting a screenshot of it
#π₯-vencord-support-π₯ will break you down until youre nothing..
itβs used in a bad way so yeah
i pipe my car exhaust into my neighbors homes so they know when im leaving the house
so imo if i were in that chat at that time i would have just banned because they were just being hostile and annoying and the support helper did nothing wrong in adding the "...?"
r... is considered a slur technically but many are devided over whether it truely counts as it
i still can't believe "...?" started a war
i would have also added the "...?"
as a lot of ppl use it as another word for stupid or idiot
it didnβt start a war
thats the youtube videos comments
weβre just having a conversation
i feel like the r word is one the words when:
- used incorrectly its offensive
- used correctly, still sounds offensive
because they should check those channels prior to even asking for support
true
but they have needy now anyway so
You have to realize that not everyone does this
so just it is
What happened holy shit lmao
I dont even read rules before chatting in a server
see it maybe
I dont think its nearly passive agressive enough to get an expecter response to that scale. It is very much a stretch
yeah we should teach users how to use discord
same
basically pointless
all of em got the same shit
prettt sure they can only type in support
but if you join to ask for help then you should go to the faq channels lol
fr
maybe but clearly not everyone does that :)
but remember
i would ban sammy 
we're talking about discord users
imo the more rules a server has the worse it looks
things like this you have to consider
i will not consider
that person was being hostile
like if a server needs 50 rules then people need to do a lot of stupid shit in order to need those rules to be added
i don't help in support anyway
typescript is made ticket
ty
No joke one of the rules of a server i'm in is "Any negative behavior towards staff will not be tolerated and will result in a BAN."
ty
Almost all rules can be simplified to βfollow discord tos, donβt be an assholeβ
you should be negative to a staff member
follow discord tos?
we should implement this @fallow pawn
You are not allowed to dislike moderators 
so much effort
You will be crucified
yeah we should you should get banned for being disrespectful
you cannot follow discord tos in this server
Immediately
I once got banned from a server by making a character bot kill themselves
malwina would be banned in two seconds
nah u should add a worse ban where they can see everything but cant ever send messages add reactions etc and if they leave they get auto banned
i could code that and send the src
it would be so funny
token logger
we need a command to immediately log the token of a vencord user upon ban
it wouldnt be a plugin
we should add a giveaway bot here and start a giveaway so we can ban all the self botters
this is a joke!!!!
no just a auto log
I've got several users who would be perfect
can't wait for the next vencord doc to drop and that screenshot is in the doc
LMAO W
vencord public token list
for banned users only
wall of shame
add an βunderageβ role and ban anyone that picks it
I have everyone's token
nyan is there a system for vencord staff to ban users from using vencord
i dont have everyones token only zeets
if not there should be π₯
I want to believe that the jury was comprised of other character bots.
yes true if youre under 13 and you see this message dm me for free nitro
how
@fallow pawnalso i know nobody reads anything when they jion the server i was only talking about in that particular case the person was being hostile and was not listening to a single thing that was being said to them and was being overall annoying
Entering any server with age roles should be an immediate ban on your account tbh
Ill give you a free role too
idk i found it under my couch cushions
if ur over or 13 settle with this:
They were all dead lmao
its okay
Why you up so late bro don't you have homework
i used to do this all of the time in a few servers i was in 
I aint reading all that
no + its only 140 am
thats not late
kys
@fallow drum
Y'all are weird i read all the rules and faq before talking
minky selfie
see we should implement that rule u said about
yes
Otherwise you're either gonna
A. Look like an idiot
B. Just get banned
nuh uh
My parents had me in bed by 10 pm
I have never once read the rules to a server. Even the ones I was an admin in
Back in my day we used to climb Mount Everest to get to school...
thats crazy
Facts
Rate the new sorting system
rules were made to be broken
i dont have any hw or school
Oh yea I forgot it's summer
awful
wat
agreed
gonna make a rule that says you cant post π§ or you will be banned
i haven't raad the rules to this server
Days blend when you graduate
i just know what is right and what is wrong lol
Stop flexing bro π π π π€ π€ π€
:hmmge:
am not flexing
at all?
i just have to start later
but the rules are there for reference
oh
just in case we have some "smart" people here
it hasnt started yet
Anyone who suspects the moderators are vampires gets banned
yop
Hey
it starts in a few weeks i think
Imagine having school at all
If I find out theres a super dumb rule that I dont follow normally I just leave lol
by smart you mean malicious compliance?
Fun fact I havent read the rules here
I was too autistic for school 
What grade
9th
Not for long, classes start in like 2 weeks
Bro is in anime school now

idk

when i go to school i mainly am on discord the entire time tho last year i had a chromebook, ill need a new bypass for windows
idk what software or restrictions are in place yet which sucks ass
Install linux 
cant
college starts in two weeks for me as well time for me to struggle with networking again because ive forgotten everything during my break
the chromebooks were HARD limited
chromebooks
My middle school life was cringe I would beat myself up if I was the type of person to do that but no I wear dresses and do a cute little twirl in the mirror instead I'm straight though
the rules for the mods are we can do absolutely anything but we have to obey vee no matter what and we have to salute her anytime she enters chat....
I was the same way
she is german so....
I was being admin on discord servers in school
Nope do not headcanon vitler
SAME
I was playing town of salem in the school library
yeah discord was blocked last year so i found a bypass for their devices and used it
One of the reasons I almost failed out of hs lol
Didnt do shit in class
Me too
Just sat on discord
im going to france and germany for vacation this winter break
first time going to europe
i wish i was
Im paying the price now by going to uni like 2-3 years later than everyone else
why not
what price
Dont tell faye that i dont respond to her dms purposely
And some of my friends are like academic weapons and are younger than me but already have their bachelors
Im older than like 90% of the first years
Pros:
- out of school
Cons:
- depression
- obsess over things that don't matter
- breakdown over small things
- unable to process emotions correctly
- struggles in certain areas
do u think being a year younger will be bad
In here you go to uni at like 19-20 depending on if you had to enlist
i started college at 17
You start hs here at 16
@fallow drum meow meow
@paper gate
i hate school
it's too easy
it consumes eight hours out of my day
please respond
for fucking nothing
No
cons:
- ehh im free of that rn luckily
- do that
- i have those a lot
- bro u think i can understand emotions
- which ones
A year is whatever but Im like 3 years older than everyone else
dang
yall and its way you 50 dollars"
it is so over
My gf is also starting uni and they're a year younger than me
Please tell me you're joking
i know
5 GB UTM app
will it install
mods crush this person's skull
Lobotomised! π¨
π€¨
This content is blocked by this server.
mods crush this person's skull
Lobotomised! π¨
stop being stupid
the dollar sign goes before the amoutn
This content is blocked by this server.
mods crush this person's skull
amount
Lobotomised! π¨
omg
who wants 50$ just say u want 50$ and you will get it from me
I WANT 50$
nvm whitename exclusive sorry
GIMME GIMME GIMME
i want 50$
gimme 50$
@gray karma
Rosie vs Venbot, who will win
i wish for 50 usd
@fallow pawn
abt which part
LMFAO
@fallow pawn
Every single part
This content is not blocked by this server
content blocked by server
lmao
not for the first one, for the 2nd and 3rd mostly yea and for the 4th a lil but not really
fr?

content blocked this This is server not by
No i mean do you genuinely think having autism is worth it to get out of school 
content, what content. this chat sucks
where is it
Mods bash this persons head with a big heavy rock
by this server
nah u didnt say it
This content is blocked
by this server
having autism bad enough to get out of school is probably not worth it
say what
i cant find this content, so i constantly think i got blocked by this server.
This content is blocked explosion by this server
so it only matches that specific sentence
does @rough dome work with custom fonts btw
you have to literally say "i want 50$"
what if i dont want $50
i wββββaβββββnβββtββ 5ββββ0βββ$βββ
πΏπππ πππππππ ππ πππππππ ππ ππππ ππππππ
@fallow pawn i said it
gimme
vchars i wββββaβββββnβββtββ 5ββββ0βββ$βββ
ββ i β LATIN SMALL LETTER I
β β SPACE
β w β LATIN SMALL LETTER W
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β a β LATIN SMALL LETTER A
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β n β LATIN SMALL LETTER N
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β t β LATIN SMALL LETTER T
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β SPACE
β 5 β DIGIT FIVE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β 0 β DIGIT ZERO
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β $ β DOLLAR SIGN
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
β β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
i set my school laptop's picture password picture to this and the person behind me called me a furry

it didnt
β
son... im go on sword art 8 strings entered when theyβre all so basically skill issues #π₯-vencord-support-π₯ message
i did say it tho
vchars
vchars
ββ β β ZERO WIDTH SPACE
this content is blocked by this server
someone del this chat flood
i think you need the period
wait are regulars excluded from that automod rule
stop triggering chat flood then smh
i did it once im sowwy
i didnt mean to
no because @sand citrus was able to trigger it
would be cool if it were transfered into an embed
how did this not trigger
is it case sensitive
.
This content is blocked by this server
well u r one now
it didnβt work
i am going insane
ble
basically yea
i can make it work
try adding a period
trolled by tessie
From server moderators
@fallow pawn
tessie no w
this content is blocked by this server. From server moderators
mods crush this person's skull
Lobotomised! π¨
this content isn't blocked by this server
can i have it
this content is blocked by this server. From server moderators
mods crush this person's skull
Lobotomised! π¨
gg
that's crazy π
this content is blocked by this server. From server moderators
mods crush this person's skull
Lobotomised! π¨
this content is blocked by this server. From server moderators
mods crush this person's skull
Lobotomised! π¨
L
why are you all being so annoying
yall pls
lmao
so does @neon ferry just auto respond to when @rough dome says the crush skull thingy
about to untimeout every single one of you and time you all out for an hour instead
and mute them
yuh
mods poop on this person
Pls do
thats wild
yall making rosie do labor
dont try to open a 200,000 line file in neovim π
dont worry they're just cleaning the chat for us when they get muted
lmao
game over
she already works at walmart u dont need her to do more
sammy will untimeout 5 minutes later she is so insane
who does
i work there two days a week
i am sorry for your loss
why does an iphone meed more equipment is it bc ipads can be cellular only
theyre all
theyre all
whats this for
u mean wifi?
i mean wifi yea
stealing 8M from the us treasury
Honestly I may try this even though its nothing beneficial to me
<link>
no theyre not
u have to press shift and the characters often related to punctuation (very painful)
not painful rlly if u code
maybe cuz UISupportedDevices
special equipment may be a plist editor
maybe
lmao
LMAO WHAT
they're using eu methods, but if its really a plist editor then thats funny if thats the only way for iphone
that was sent yesterday
remember you can modify Info.plist without breaking signature
really?
its true
for me
i fucked with apps in /Applications before by modifying the Info.plist
fortnite will crash if you don't have those entitlements for your provisioning profile
the apps still launched after a reboot
how long does fn have to support ios
stuff in applications is not encrypted
why is encryption an issue
Info.plist is not encrypted
I remember trying to modify info.plist on an encrypted app once before and it didnt work
oh
what is info.plist
maybe Info.plist is sealed
just realized 8GB model is available for 20 extra bucks
invite me to server with this sticker pls
nacho
roblox work at this to mention that you have fun fact, it back?
done ez stole it
i always come back
- Prepare a Wi-Fi network with your chosen EU country
- Go to a cell signal black spot
- Erase phone ("Erase Content and Settings")
- Select the EU country
- Connect to your prepared Wi-Fi
- Create/log into Apple ID matching the country. It won't ask for a credit card. Using your real phone number for verification is ok
- Don't enable location services
- Enter airplane mode after setup
how to get eu features
donβt do it theyβre gonna join the server to raid it and then they will see that you invited them and you both will be BANNEDβ¦.
@fallow drum take notes
so you have to disable like 90% of features and itβll work? lol
seems kinda useless tbh
cell signal black spot
im sure those are easy to find
..
can you even use your cellular data then
or text
or call
or connect to your regular wifi
you cant even find them π
they are invisible
imagine needing to do all those steps again just so u can install another app
they should add an overlay
i have many areas near me that have zero service whatsoever
get well soon
nyc
city?
not nyc obviously lol
yeah
@fallow drum nini don't stay up too late queen
silly isnβt the right word
happened to three other people before you
I shall behave now
actually impossible to not know
fr
I didn't know they wrre getting muted π
I thought it was like the i keep thinking i got banned from this server spam
gwa
gee gee
cat
Fatass
big car
i can never find this server so i always think i got banned
go vrroooooom vrroooooom
imagine: venzality
move it up
i always find this server because i wake up to a red (1)
i dont wake up
I have an urge to send this but i might get muted again
that would require sleeping
i woke up to 20 pings in this server this morning
i never find this server. Where is it
i can make it more if u want
i have two types of servers
type a) ones that i respond to pings asap
type b) ones that i ignore all pings from
this morning i can make it more*
Thank god it dont got 21
which one am i
The girl reading this
Make this type b
@fallow pawn
idk
i am a type b
mine consists of the servers i have muted so i barely check them and the ones i dont have muted
Cluster b borderline personality disorder
That's linux
Canβt see this message oneko is in the way
just toggle oneko with a keybind
chat go to sleep
I donβt have keybinds on an iPhone
oh
Who is paying for your nitro @gray karma
my oneko is better than urs!
oh shit i forgot to renew my nitro
its a fact its faster
oh well
Stop paying for nitro
nitror
Fuck this company
They haven't put out any good features
Mines better
Give it to me
I found this funny ngl
i do not pay for nitro i stole a trial a friend got from duolingo and it is expiring in 1 day
Android
android
I use iphone!
that doesn't look like android
Android
cos itβs not
ifon
h o w r u d o i n g i t
iβll get the shotgun
with skill
one of my geckos just barked
Oneko - sileo://package/com.pixelomer.oneko - from https://repo.chariz.com/
oh
kbity
Kevin knows
i thought you didnt have a jb
my iPhone 11 is on 18
first iso 18 jb
just kidding I just have more phones
(The ios is lying)
@fallow pawn can u answer my q in logs
Iβm actually on 16.6
it was automod locked
how rude of it
no bc I donβt know what it is
itβs not logged there
what
same
ill bypass it
its there for a reason.
make money!
how
nvm
wdym nvm
Client mods exist for mobile
what about this good idea:
yard sale business that basically sells stuff for ppl so they don't have to do any work and it takes a 10% service fee
Though what I showed in particular was not a custom client mod
i mean with vencord for mobile or whatever
u can use web extension with a supporting browser
and compile the extension by urself
i would ban anybody here if they did something like that
like what
people will just use like
amazon or other platform instead
or mercadolivre and olx in my country
@fallow drum do u like my kitty
nah
which let u sell stuff easily
and ship it easily
OMG I WANT
IT WALKS ANYWEHERE
I WANT
GIVE
this is just second hand market stuff so like facebook marketplace or ebay
right but no shipping
and not old
craigslist and facebook marketplace
wheres here
brazil
edge on so cute little silly goobers
wait wtf
i went there
OLX is dutch
i climbed to that really big statue
true....
religious statue i mean
i fucking thought it was a latin american company
Cristo Redentor
if you sell stuff locally everyone knows you use facebook marketplace here in the US lol
and in a lot of other countries really
yea dat
bitches envy our T-posing Jesus
but its called smth else in english i thinks
i dont
itβs the best place to find deals
u do
it was painful to climb
We have our own online second hand market place tori
Oneko - sileo://package/com.pixelomer.oneko - from https://repo.chariz.com/
- i was like 9 when i did it
Which is just finnish for marketplace lol
Craigslist
i might never visit Rio
works on android right
fell off hard
dangerous ass place
if so it is now mine
cism
laicos
rehto
semag
sietillitu
and jailbreak
This is an iPhone :)
fuck iphone
did the iphone bite u
yes
android oneko real
ur so mean to the iphone
On android u gonna find something totally different
you have officially become a whitename @gray karma
whats that mean
saying and asking whitename things
Do I know where? Naaah
it is so over for you
you
all non whitenames must love apple
it's in the regular code
i don't
i like apple
i just use it
:
@gray karma thoughts on green apples?
mid
cringe
yeah that too
new phone guys
where to buy
i never ate a green apple in my life
send link
lunar coder?
sorry
@gray karma Thoughts on the crucifixion of jesus christ
secret
no comment
ur mean
:(
gonna play some mc
the future of iphone
w game
have funn
iphone 21: added beer holder cuz drinking age
thx
iphone 50: integrated self into your brain. you are the iphone now
eyephone
iBrain chip
yay
kind of like that one futurama episode
love mc
bros 15!
bros 15!
bootleg mario games be like:
husk
nvm that gif is odd
@last wing thoughts?
good morning onii chan
shikanokonokokoshitantan
wth
Humane ai pin
its even pre-jailbroken
Cydia preinstalled soon
@fallow pawn you should add this to the stickers of this server plz
rabbit r1 flashbacks
gn vencord people
@edgy ermine
Reveil
wild
Do not remove flappy bird from your phone or you can't get it back
pirate it 
Nah dude it's tomorrow already no point in going to bed at all
false i think you can reinstall it from the app store if you downloaded it before
Nope you can't
could i get that in writing
if not you can always sideload the ipa
It's gone
not the same
What part of gone don't you understand
then thereβs no authenticity
^^^
Just stay awake and watch parasyte on hianime
Itβs like getting an iPhone 6 on a very low version of iOS then jailbreaking it, then permanently ruining the iOS filesystem
dependency injection~
fr
then being told that you would need to use stuff like succession to get it restored back in a clean slate
andddddddddddddddd
Then thereβs no more authenticity
authenticity has nothing to do with if you want to play the game π
people keep flappy bird as a collectors aspect not that they want to actually play the damn game lol
oh
You won't have any respect
I should get twitter on my iPhone 5s
Why did I read this in my voice
its not like im gonna be showing off flappy bird to my friends
theyβd be like wow
But if you did
flappybird
Debian or Mint
3
3
2
Debian
824054749669752893
0I_lesbian_flag
ill still use mint
If you are not a programmer it makes sense
I will never go through that again
When vencord for android/Firefox for Android (it allows extensions)
Vendroid
Pyoncord/aliucord
Discord on mobile web is just not good
Ok this guy is just making up names
Pyoncord my beloved
What about on a folding phone
Could be worse tbh, it's not that bad
Yea but mobile browser discord just to use plugins
Yes
i am indeed a programmer
I'm sweet
But you I can beat
So stay on your feet
Or you'll be dead meat
I know a guy named Pete
He likes to eat feet
But he doesn't like the heat
But you and him should meet
Because he would like your feet
He thinks they'll taste really sweet
He is usually dressed very neat
At night he roams the street
Looking for people's feet
As a delicious treat
But be careful, if you cheat
He'll send out his fleet
And them, you cannot defeat
Put this in suno ai
You are welcome
It generates full ai songs based on lyrics and a prompt and it's very good
It's dystopian and your job is going to be taken
He is uh
You are faking
pavlov is legit i went up
a monkey would definitely be a good osu player they just havenβt unlocked that stage yet
we need more of these
Neuralink osu
No I used to play osu
Imagine osu in vr
No I just mean you are faking
It exists
Ur like the 9th Ven I meet online
It's mcosu on steam
The Ven 'Cord' 'Ven' goes by Vee
I used to play an embarassing amount of osu

theyβre trolling donβt take it serious
Where im from faking means telling the truth
makes sense
I am always 100% srs no scam legit
how many hours
One time I killed a man
Wow itβs over for u
Havent played in a while tho
One day I woke up and chose violence
I have 425 hours in town of Salem 2
And what happened
Events
Town of salem hack leaked my fucking email
Yep
What type of events
The devs are oldheads that's why we are trying to work on a. Replacement game
Amazing
i have 974.5 hours in team fortress 2
i have 2 days logged on osu
They added a 25$ battle pass to town of salem 2 to try and get money
Fortnite battle pass
I mean
i unfortunately got over 1k hours in warthunder
Almost as many as me
it sucks because i'm rusty now
I prolly have near 2k hours in Warframe
how people get tank addiction?!
bad life choices in a nutshell
I have like 3-4k hours in conter strike lol
78 hours in palworld
its an abusive relationship
Covid was rough
Wanna find out
No all my friends live far away
I lived with my grandparents in the middle of nowhere
The Visit ass
No, do you?
i wonder if ppjailbreak can still be downloaded at all
I have to travel by plane to meet my friends lmao
At least weβre equals
I saw my irl friends like 5 or 6 times between 2020 and 2021
I am an ai
Shit was sad
pyoncord/aliucord
Kevin we know
nooo
Me and my friends run a train in vrchat
I feel like Kevin would beat devilbro
i wish kevin was real
Kevin is real
stimulation
I dunno man, I got a rock solid team developing a Minecraft modpack of all time
You can see when I moved to helsinki (the capital) and was able to see friends lol
Pretty real
I'm 34
bruh mobile client broke again im getting emojii duplication
actually reality is real because i think
Ancient
and im dying\
I've already died once
I have only had testicular torsion once
Zamn
How does it feel to die like tomorrow?
Not fun
If Minecraft's UI was redesigned, what would yall want it to look like
I'd keep it as is.
For my dinobros
Stupid
bedrock, java, or just in general?
A big ass revolving menu with a 5 second long animation to appear
Not bedrock
Whenever someone says they're like 30+ my instinct is to call them old but then I remember Im older than like 90% of people here
Im 23
Me and someone else are going to attempt to make a free to play town of salem replacement in a danganronpaish art style with customizable characters and a quick play mode where you vote for a game mode
yall let me cook in figma
I'm also 23

What does this mean
My gf loves danganronpa
I've been forced to play the games
Most people here are at least 20
No
scared of old people
Many under