🧊-off-topic-iceman-only

[paper gate]

i didnt know

[boreal torrent]

mm maybe not

[limpid canyon]

Whenever I have issues I just copy and paste some commands I found from google and it works again idk

[paper gate]

eeby deeby

[boreal torrent]

Nope, it seems it's still maintained

[umbral dirge]

That's the dream

[boreal torrent]

I'll Google about GhostBSD later

[limpid canyon]

I had an issue with some python stuff and that took maybe 30 minutes to fix and tbh I have no idea how I fixed it but it works now

[mortal rose]

true

if only it was always that easy

[river kayak]

@boreal torrent BTW, I forgot to mention that KDE is primarily and officially supporting Flatpak for most of their apps nowadays. GNOME has a requirement to be as a Flatpak before it's available in GNOME Circle or Core

Like, the benefits you get from that extra 500 MB is worth it, whether you like it or not

[limpid canyon]

But then again I dont do everything on linux I still dual boot windows

[rotund valley]

which one of you is selling miauwmiauw drugs

meowmeow in dutch fyi

[umbral dirge]

Is my instinctive revulsion to Flatpak still reasonable? I tried to use that for Obsidian and had issues with plugins talking to other programs

[late turret]

Is my instinctive revulsion to Flatpak still reasonable? I tried to use that for Obsidian and had issues with plugins talking to other programs

[mortal rose]

i have a really strong urge to start hating everything

[river kayak]

I never used the app so I can't comment on that tbh

[umbral dirge]

I assume for apps you want siloed it's useful

[jolly temple]

????

[umbral dirge]

Idk, AUR handles all my needs

[river kayak]

That's fine

[umbral dirge]

Definitely going to try Flatpak again if I need to though

[river kayak]

I'm just saying that people are switching to Flatpak for several reasons :p

[mental oxide]

@sudden sun HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN

[undone shale]

finally people are realising how shit snap is

[stray siren]

I don't get the funny

[river kayak]

They realized it since day 1, except a few people

[late turret]

Yes Snapchat is shit

[river kayak]

Lol

[undone shale]

are those few people the ubuntu developers?

[mental oxide]

they mean the package manager

snap

[late turret]

Chat

[limpid canyon]

Both can be true

[river kayak]

No, one of them is a SUSE employee

[undone shale]

wtf is SUSE doing?

I thought only ubuntu was snap infected

[river kayak]

SUSE employee, not SUSE the company

[boreal torrent]

it's a nice piece of software, i just think it's too heavy

[undone shale]

one person = the entire company /j

[river kayak]

I mean, I disagree, and I bet most people would as well

heh

[undone shale]

its not too heavy

[late turret]

Heavy starts at 100kg

[river kayak]

@undone shale https://youtu.be/4WuYGcs0t6I

[undone shale]

flatpak and appimages are good, snap is bad

I barely use flatpak cause I do C++ ghost magic

so not too useful for me

[river kayak]

I think AppImage is the worst of the three

[undone shale]

how so?

[river kayak]

Because it doesn't address any problems correctly

The dependencies are bundled but bundling is optional

[rotund valley]

fossdem my beloved

[river kayak]

So you'll often run into issues with AppImage because it doesn't have the system dependencies

[undone shale]

I think appimage is perfect for small applications

and whenever it becomes big, change to flatpak

[river kayak]

I argue Flatpak is

Like you're almost never gonna install one app, you'll likely install a dozen

So even if the app is small, you're still making use of deduplication

[undone shale]

funny you say that, I usually install single apps

[river kayak]

AppImage has no real guarantee

[undone shale]

like this

which uses appimage

[river kayak]

Hence "almost never", you're an edge case :p

[late turret]

I use arch btw

[undone shale]

fair enough lol

[paper gate]

AppImage, Flatpak, Snap. i dont like any of them

[rotund valley]

I like flatpak but it should probably have an android like permission requesting system

[river kayak]

Flatpak is the only thing I like lol

[river kayak]

It already does

[rotund valley]

why does no one use it then tears_holding_back_face

[river kayak]

GNOME does

[boreal torrent]

@paper gate It seems GhostBSD is an attempt on making FreeBSD on Desktop more user friendly to UNIX-like systems newcorners

[paper gate]

interesting

[rotund valley]

gnome puke

[boreal torrent]

By the way

[mortal rose]

oe

[boreal torrent]

If you need DRM on browsers on FreeBSD you got to use Linuxulator

But there's a script that makes it really easy

[river kayak]

Well, they're usually the first ones to adopt new tech, and it's the most used desktop too

[boreal torrent]

Maybe GhostBSD already ships with that? Unsure

[jolly temple]

yea

[paper gate]

kevin is so smart

[river kayak]

@rotund valley https://theevilskeleton.fedorapeople.org/Articles/explaining-flatpaks-permission-systems/Decoder Permissions.webm

[rotund valley]

ye dont mind me lol, I'm just mad

[fickle cosmos]

Chat who's dad is this

[paper gate]

you

[stray siren]

Yours

[rotund valley]

nice

[boreal torrent]

Yours

[fickle cosmos]

I can't be my own dad 😭

[river kayak]

Oh? What for?

[rotund valley]

still insane to me that decoder cant accept screenshots

[stray siren]

It's you then lol

[boreal torrent]

Modern Linux distros are so heavy

it's boring

[river kayak]

Wdym?

[stray siren]

THis tbh

[fickle cosmos]

imma kill you. COUNT YOUR DAYS FUCKER

[river kayak]

Good ^^

[rotund valley]

they ruined the usability of nautilus for me

[boreal torrent]

nop

[river kayak]

Oh, rip

I find it better each release

[boreal torrent]

I like distros like Alpine and Void tbf

They're so fast

[rotund valley]

well, scan only accepts camera

[boreal torrent]

and minimal

[river kayak]

Have you not seen after I decline the permission?

[rotund valley]

I'm fairly happy with nemo now, not as pretty tho

[paper gate]

testing discord flatpak

hm

[rotund valley]

I'm like super blind

T.T

[river kayak]

Don't worry lol

[rotund valley]

idk I remember having went through their gitlab issues for something that I found missing

[paper gate]

someone ping me in like 5 seconds

[stray siren]

e

[rotund valley]

but that was last year or more

[paper gate]

notifications work

[rotund valley]

nautilus also kinda slow

takes like 3x the time to load my video icons

[paper gate]

yop

i use thunar now

[boreal torrent]

It seems that, with Chromium on FreeBSD, you can use native Chromium + Linuxulator Widevine DRM now @paper gate

[rotund valley]

thunar doesnt have my nemo DND wayland fix

[paper gate]

whats that mean

[boreal torrent]

getting DRM working on FreeBSD browsers easily

without any scripts

just officially packaged stuff

https://www.freshports.org/www/linux-widevine-cdm
https://www.freshports.org/www/foreign-cdm

[paper gate]

DRM confuses me

[lapis lava]

in first place why even watch DRM content

[boreal torrent]

I don't

I pirate stuff :3

[rotund valley]

chad

netflix was also cutting their cheapest plan no ?

[boreal torrent]

idk

I don't watch nothing from Netflix

i'm boring

lemme check

[sudden fjord]

tru

I don’t watch any movies or series

[boreal torrent]

They didn't cut anything here

[rotund valley]

I watch like 1 series per season maybe

[boreal torrent]

Neither

[rotund valley]

so subscriptions aren't worth it for me xd

[boreal torrent]

last time i watched a movie was like

one or two years ago

[boreal torrent]

stremio stremio stremio stremio

[sudden fjord]

like get such a pain when I find logical errors i’m in movies

[jolly temple]

hahaha

[sudden fjord]

and do that so often

[bronze nebula]

bambik

[sudden fjord]

so I can’t watch them

[rotund valley]

lambik

[paper gate]

how do i debug

[rotund valley]

you should try the acolyte

[sudden fjord]

never heard

[boreal torrent]

haha

[sudden fjord]

lol

[limpid canyon]

A cinematic masterpiece clearly

Still an 83% on rotten tomatos lol

[rotund valley]

that's not the audiene rating tho

[limpid canyon]

Makese sense

[paper gate]

im so close

[boreal torrent]

zt is so close

[paper gate]

it compiles

the next step

is figuring out how to run

[boreal torrent]

whatchu cookin'

[drowsy cypress]

“Omg the logical errors 😭” like bro just enjoy something in your life like damn

[paper gate]

compose in scripts

[drowsy cypress]

It’s just funny mistakes

[rotund valley]

impressive

for compose

[limpid canyon]

Just make a .exe :)

[boreal torrent]

then you realise some people can't enjoy smth if errors bothers them

and it's fair enough

[drowsy cypress]

Is it like an autism thing?

[limpid canyon]

I dont think you need autism to be bothered about something

[paper gate]

wait

[boreal torrent]

It may be

but not necessarily exclusive to autism

[somber leaf]

Chat do yall wanna see some osha violations including propane?

[rotund valley]

yes

[boreal torrent]

what's osha

[somber leaf]

Gimme a few minutes then

[drowsy cypress]

It’s a safety standard I’m pretty sure

[boreal torrent]

pb.google what's an osha violation

[night blaze]

What is the Worst OSHA Violation you have seen? : r ...

Sep 5, 2023 ... Heavy manufacturing with large chemical use but not PSM. 4 of the chemical specific standards were in play. It started off with an unreported ...

Google • labsCore • Page 3/80

[limpid canyon]

Workplace safety thing

[drowsy cypress]

It often relates with construction workers

[boreal torrent]

oh

got it

[limpid canyon]

Its an american thing I think

[paper gate]

@open pasture hii

[somber leaf]

I hate how slow upload to discord is

[limpid canyon]

Or like an institution or something

[paper gate]

nini

[boreal torrent]

so true

i got fast internet

[somber leaf]

It’s a government agency meant to protect workers rights

[boreal torrent]

yet stuff uploaded to discord

[limpid canyon]

Ah an agency

[boreal torrent]

take so long

[fickle cosmos]

Shit I'm in battery debt again

[jolly temple]

💔

[boreal torrent]

HORROR

where the fuck are you at

[drowsy cypress]

Looks safe to me 👍

[limpid canyon]

I see nothing wrong here

[somber leaf]

WORK

[boreal torrent]

do u work with construction stuff

[fickle cosmos]

An OSHA employee just fucking died

[stray siren]

The what the. I've had thigns sit at 0 for a good 20 mins, but I've never had a -1 before

[somber leaf]

That’s LIQUID PROPANE BTW

[fickle cosmos]

4 OSHA employees just died

[limpid canyon]

I love explosions

[rotund valley]

[somber leaf]

It’s been like that for > a MONTH

[stray siren]

I can smell this video

[rotund valley]

[boreal torrent]

istg

[rotund valley]

just call osha

[fickle cosmos]

66 OSHA employees just fucking exploded

[boreal torrent]

the US got so many time zones

[somber leaf]

I’ve been living off two propane bottles for our forklifts and now I’m down to the last one and it’s almost empty

[limpid canyon]

4, 5 if you include alaska

[boreal torrent]

Isn't it 7

[limpid canyon]

No

[boreal torrent]

6 if including hawaii?

[limpid canyon]

Good point

Forgot about that

But mainland has 4

[river kayak]

hmm... maybe, from what I know the core developer was burnt out at some point

[rotund valley]

fair enough

[limpid canyon]

new york is -4 and la is -7

[rotund valley]

I also got burnt out by working with gtk

just simple app-wide shortcuts just didn't wanna work

[lapis lava]

insane

how

[river kayak]

Wdym?

[stray siren]

But I've not had a -1

[rotund valley]

litarilly just having q, esc close the app

I was making a clipboard manager

[river kayak]

Tbh, I still don't understand

[stiff urchin]

i love bioses that actually try to be unique <3

[hollow surge]

literally me

[stiff urchin]

and not just a variant of the ami bios

[fickle cosmos]

Ask the laptop charging this thing

[paper gate]

i dont get it

i have no idea where its getting that field from

[stray siren]

Aighty lads I am on a mission.

[paper gate]

ive searched the source code

[rotund valley]

I kept h aving to fight with this every time I opened my project

[paper gate]

VALIDATE_IR does not exist

[rotund valley]

so I gave up

[fickle cosmos]

11 minutes 😭

[stray siren]

Even though I have 600mbps connection.

Good ol mirror sites with 100 upload

[river kayak]

So like you tried to make Esc close the app?

[rotund valley]

yes

[fickle cosmos]

I have 100mbps connection and it takes like 2-3 minutes

[stray siren]

Guess they running on 10 lol

[fickle cosmos]

0.1kbps upload

[stray siren]

Real

[rotund valley]

it still doesnt work :p

[river kayak]

I see... Tbh I would ask for help next time

I don't do Rust so I have no idea how to do it

[sharp sinew]

i made a horrible mistake

i quit playing war thunder

to play siege

[hollow surge]

https://bigrat.monster/

[sharp sinew]

i quit playing
war thunder
to play
rainbow six siege
which is unironically worse than war thunder

[rotund valley]

I've done a fair share of rust so far

just dont come to me with lifetimes

or macros

[river kayak]

I have no idea what that is 😅

[rotund valley]

evil

[river kayak]

Lol

I mean Rust by itself is incomprehensible to me so I can't really say much

[boreal torrent]

why is war thunder bad

never played it

[river kayak]

<---- C and Rust coder

[jolly temple]

#000

[rotund valley]

wait

you're evil skeleton !

?

[river kayak]

Yeah?

[rotund valley]

I've seen you around :3

[boreal torrent]

I only know them because of Vencord

[sharp sinew]

the grind and ingame economy is bad, the games netcode is abysmal (because theyre trying to keep 11 year old code intact) and the playerbase is either super homosexual to the point of actually being weirdly homosexual or theyre super fucking racist

[river kayak]

Oh, I don't think I remember you... Sorry

[boreal torrent]

then I found out today that they wrote Bottles

isn't R6 dead

[river kayak]

I didn't write it per se, but I used to develop it

[boreal torrent]

i rarely see people talking about it

[boreal torrent]

oh

[paper gate]

are you evil @river kayak

[river kayak]

Yes

[sharp sinew]

Nope

theres still a massive community for it

just because you dont see people talking about it doesnt mean its dead

[boreal torrent]

Fair

[sharp sinew]

a streamer i watch plays it every friday/saturday (stream days) and a majority of his community plays R6 or at least likes to watch R6

[river kayak]

Likewise, just because a streamer and a small community plays, doesn't mean it's not dead 🔥 🔥 ||/j||

[paper gate]

syntax highlighting went insane

[boreal torrent]

horror

[sharp sinew]

Jynxzi or whatever his name plays it and streams it and gets like 40000 viewers on his stream as a low and he gets so many fake accounts replaying his streams to twitch while he's live

[river kayak]

@rotund valley out of curiosity, have we ever talked to each other before?

[river kayak]

Emphasis on "/j"

[sharp sinew]

my bad i thought that was the ⬛ emoji

[river kayak]

Oh 😅

[sharp sinew]

lol

[rotund valley]

no

[river kayak]

I hide it so people don't see it before reading

[sand citrus]

u know how to use linux?

[rotund valley]

I just meant that I've seen you on gitlab, github and prob your website before

[river kayak]

Ah

[sharp sinew]

R6 is also within the top like 50 streamed categories on twitch rn

[river kayak]

@rotund valley That's cool though :3

[rotund valley]

yeah :d

[stray siren]

Nope I don't even know how to fix a broken package in Mint.

So I'mma go to bootcamp- I mean arch and see how things go over there.

Furthermore I'm attempting this on a Dell Optiplex GX520 desktop from 2005 on all original hardware. Adds extra spice to the figure shit out because it's not gonna work as intended-ness.

Vesktop on Windows XP is just not happenign for me, so I wanna try a Linux build on tha tthing, and another tech server dared me to run arch lmao

[sand citrus]

bare arch is meant to be used by linux experts, u start with basically nothing but a commandline

so if u cant use mint then good luck

:3

[stray siren]

The guys who dared me to try this said read the docs.

[sand citrus]

if its a dare then that makes sense

u shouldnt be getting into this

[stray siren]

So I dunno what I'm walkin in on here, but yeah.

I said that, and one of them said "Hell"

[river kayak]

If they want to be challenged, let them

[sand citrus]

i wanted to make sure they know what theyre getting into

[river kayak]

Fair

[stray siren]

I'm adding even more challenge by trying this on a computer from 2005 lmao

[river kayak]

"Hell" is a good way to put it /j

[sand citrus]

i mean if ur a beginner then probably

[stray siren]

Something is probably not gonna work as intended and make an odd error

[somber leaf]

I started with arch as my first distro.

It’s not that hard if you just RTFM

[stray siren]

A real 40GB hard drive, real 2GB DDR2 RAM, and a real Pentium 4ht 3.2gHz CPU which has x64 ability

[somber leaf]

honestly the arch wiki can hold your hand through most things

[river kayak]

Only through the installation process

[stray siren]

Pretty much what the guys who are daring me to do it said. They said expect to be blindly doing things, but it should get at least functional if I read the docs.

[river kayak]

Maintenance on the other hand...

[somber leaf]

Arch maintenance is maybe a “read the news letter” twice a year

[river kayak]

No

[stray siren]

Or when something breaks lol

[somber leaf]

I used it for 3 years and it broke twice. Once was grub and the other was me breaking pacman myself

[river kayak]

It's pacman Sru or whatever the god awful syntax is

[stray siren]

This old computer isn't fond of USB boot, I'mma have to bust out the DVD-R disks

[somber leaf]

-Syu which is more convenient than apt update apt upgrade

[jolly temple]

luftwaffel

[river kayak]

Aliases exist

Also no, pacman is anything but convenient

Like why is the core functionality behind a flag

[hollow surge]

hi guys my street got nuked

not banned

[paper gate]

how

[hollow surge]

am i stoopid

[hollow surge]

witha nuke

[somber leaf]

They are in apt and rpm as well you just don’t need a trailing -

[paper gate]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-combine-cat-pick-up-gif-27154907

[river kayak]

In the literal sense?

[hollow surge]

HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE THIS

🤣

[rotund valley]

I agree

[hollow surge]

it is like the 5th time i said that

[keen junco]

I don't believe

[river kayak]

Well you posted it out of nowhere

[rotund valley]

even without aur I'd still use paru or yay

[somber leaf]

You could alias -Syu to something more apt as well if you cared enough

[hollow surge]

do u really hink that if my street got nuked i would be on vencord discord

[stray siren]

Ngl I hope I get the hang of it, and fiddle with other systems, and get it off a Pentium 4 and into a better computer, and maybe even start daily driving it someday. Knowing Linux is like always asked at job interviews that I've been to that had anything at all to do with computing even though the company was all Windows lmao. And it's like an instant turnoff when I'm like nahh dunno shit ab Linux.

[keen junco]

Yeah

[river kayak]

Yeah? Cellular data

[rotund valley]

yeah I could fix the problem, its foss

[river kayak]

As it should. They should be subcommands and not flags

[hollow surge]

yeah but why would i just go "oh my heavens! my street(and house and everything) has gotten nuked! there are NO OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS TO DISCUSS OTHER THAN talking n vencord!"

[somber leaf]

That’s a matter of preference neither are objectively better.

[stray siren]

If this works, then that's gonna be cool, to see about running Vesktop on a Pentium 4 CPU.

[river kayak]

Actually no, subcommands are objectively better. That's literally what it's for

[stray siren]

Watch me get greeted with unsupported CPU message as soona s I boot the iso

[soft moss]

i like flag

flag fast

[somber leaf]

What’s the advantage of apt update over pacman -Syu exactly?

[soft moss]

type quicker

do stuff faster

[rotund valley]

mhm no, something being better already implies preference

[river kayak]

I mean, I think I would. I have a screen addiction and a lot of friends are online

[rotund valley]

update is a word, easy to type

[magic dune]

is pentium like a hypernext gen processor from the year 3872 or is it old?

[rotund valley]

-Syu needs a weird symbol and a shift for S

[river kayak]

And it's a subcommand

[stray siren]

The particular one I have is from 2005

[hollow surge]

i 'on know bout you but i would be either dead or crying

[river kayak]

Yeah I'd be crying on Discord

And Matrix

[rotund valley]

hop on elelment

[magic dune]

oh so it's from two years in the future, nice

[somber leaf]

You can alias both to something shorter if you really care about speed to type.

[stray siren]

I have a lot of Pentium 4 systems, but they are 32 bit x86 only. Only one of them I have has x86-x64 ability.

But does it have whatever fancy detailed instruction sets needed for this though

Time to find out

[rotund valley]

aliasing is manual effort and makes it not the same on each system tho

and I need an AUR helper anyway

so buh

idc, almost never have to use pacman

[river kayak]

It's not about typing speed. It's about intuitiveness, which pacman horribly fails. Even portage, despite its severely complex featureset, manages to be more intuitive

[open pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/intro-de-semhor-pecreles-gif-21633141

[stray siren]

Channels keep jumping around or smthin

[pure shore]

someone moved in accident prob

[hollow surge]

channels on a trampoline

[rotund valley]

discord channel positions

[somber leaf]

Sure you could call it more intuitive, I personally don’t like sub commands but whatever but in this case it literally does not matter. If you use pacman correctly you will only ever need -Syu and -R or maybe a special command off of stack overflow to remove unused dependencies. It’s a really weird nitpick to throw out a whole package manager when it’s faster and safer than the alternative

[rotund valley]

hypershiggy

you're not gonna like our kanidm cli then

[magic dune]

void manages to be worse than arch in this regard, since xbps is like a dozen different commands each with their own subcommands. xbps-install -Su for updating even uses two subcommands at once.

[rotund valley]

[crisp finch]

https://tenor.com/view/kyodo-jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-gojo-satoru-gif-16004618119887778199

[rotund valley]

the hell is void

[stray siren]

Lmao

[rotund valley]

wait no I think I've heard of void

[stray siren]

Added to favorites

[magic dune]

linux distro

[rotund valley]

is that the distro that tries to combine package managers

so you can install form anywhere

[somber leaf]

At least pacman does not DDOS Lel

[crisp finch]

yo mama stomach is void

[magic dune]

not even close

[rotund valley]

guh

clueless~1

[rotund valley]

my stomach is void

hungry now

[stray siren]

And the DVD drive on the computer isn't reading disks, nice. Typical 20 year old hardware experience lol

Especially on optical drives

[jolly temple]

@everyone

[fallow temple]

real

[stray siren]

What's funny is it read disks last time I used it in January

[rotund valley]

please give kevin everyone permission

it'll be funny

[stray siren]

Oh god this chat would be hell itself if a random everyone went off

[fallow temple]

i added the same algorithm that kevin uses to my bot and let it ping people

[rotund valley]

and access to vban

[somber leaf]

@stray siren are you sure you’re not flashing it as UEFI for a legacy system?

[stray siren]

I'm probably gonna run into that. It's a legacy system.

I find this in the docs

[magic dune]

it uses its own package system entirely with its own repositories. since it's lesser known, there's a lot fewer packages in it too. there are a lot of weird little things about void tbh.

like it being rolling release focused on stability

[stray siren]

This is for live boot though, and seems i have to do a live boot first in order to install it

I'll probs get an error and have to go find what to do to wron around it

[somber leaf]

Rolling release is good

[mortal rose]

yes

i love arch

[stray siren]

First off though I gotta get a working DVD drive on the thing.

Can't even read the disk

[somber leaf]

Honestly “versioned” and rolling release distros aren’t all that different. One just gets deprecated eventually and uses out of date packages typically

cough Debian shipping 4 year old packages that are several major releases behind stable and shipping CVEs to the point maintainers have to tweet about it

[boreal torrent]

okay

i'll finally do it

i'll install freebsd again

got bored of linux

[stray siren]

I have a debian image somewhere, I forget how old it is, might be debian 12. Someone linked me to it for use on my x86-only SSE2 Pentium M CPU. It worked, but the CPU sat at 100% all of the time even idle on desktop home screen

Did bro give me a miner I wonder

[indigo elk]

On topic
HomuNekos only

[stray siren]

Cuz no matter what the CPU was 100 all of the time with nothin runing

[indigo elk]

oka my weekly homu neko has been sent time to die again for 5 days

[analog cape]

is there a plugin to show badges in chat

[polar trellis]

like a badge i have?

[analog cape]

yes

like https://betterdiscord.app/plugin/ShowBadgesInChat

@polar trellis check #🎶-fm I posted a pic

see how the nitro thing is showing

[fallow temple]

vns

[neon ferry]

👉 #🏥-vencord-support-🏥

[somber leaf]

I might need to go to therapy thinking of fedora and Debian make me irrationally mad

[river kayak]

If you want something fast, your best bet is using aliases

[somber leaf]

I already said that skelly

[river kayak]

SMELLY LMAO

[somber leaf]

And I meant download and install speed

Does apt support parallel Downlaods yet? Last time I used it I had to use nala for that and it bricked my install

[river kayak]

I mean pacman is anything but safe though (not being harsh; it's by design)

[somber leaf]

What exactly isn’t safe about it?

[river kayak]

God forbid you run into the GPG errors...

[somber leaf]

Ah

[river kayak]

Well it's not even sandboxed

It just... runs

[somber leaf]

Well it just refuses to do anything at least

[somber leaf]

Why does it have to be sandboxed?

To make hooks safe?

[verbal ledge]

Doesn't the license prohibit you from doing that

[river kayak]

Why do I want to give my package manager root access?

[fallow temple]

what license

its just markov chain

[somber leaf]

Because it has to modify folders only root has perms over

[magic dune]

most package managers don't sandbox I think

[verbal ledge]

oh

[river kayak]

Yeah, therefore it's not safe :p

[somber leaf]

Um

[fallow temple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain

[somber leaf]

Apt runs with root as well

[jolly temple]

sus

[somber leaf]

Unless someone supply chain attacks pacman it’s safe

[river kayak]

Nix does

[neon ferry]

👉 #🏥-vencord-support-🏥

(Auto-response invoked by @hollow surge)

[somber leaf]

And if you’re getting into supply chain attacks you have bigger worries

XZ anyone?

[daring cloud]

both in a chroot and as a separate user for builds!

[magic dune]

I'm trying to say pacman isn't unique in this regard.

[daring cloud]

iirc the chroot can be disabled with __noChroot, but if a derivation sets it, it'll will completely fail to build unless you explicitly enable disabling the sandbox

[somber leaf]

Practically speaking none of these are issues with pacman

[river kayak]

Pretty sure dpkg has some sort of sandbox

Not to say it's good, but at least they do something

[river thunder]

@sharp sinew, <t:1720055283:R>: finish factorio mod 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

[somber leaf]

Pretending to do something when you don’t actually I’d argue is worse and gives a false sense of security

[hollow surge]

vencord.app

[rough dome]

⚠️ vencord.app is a fake malicious site! The only real website is https://vencord.dev! If you have downloaded anything from vencord.app, remove everything you have downloaded immediately, run a malware scan and change your Discord password.

[somber leaf]

TSA for example

[dire bison]

[mortal rose]

that is a great emoji

[open pasture]

that is a great emoji - Added by the bot

[mortal rose]

[open pasture]

- Added by the bot

[mortal rose]

wait what is this

[dire bison]

added by the bot

[cloud hatch]

for some reason this conversation reminded me how stupid bimi (email brand "verification") is, and how paid ssl providers give you a certificate for it that you don't actually use at all since there isn't actually any authentication being done

[river kayak]

I mean, I'd take a bad sandbox over no sandbox any day, but better yet I'd take something that doesn't require root privileges

[dire bison]

gughh

vban 1229416030863097856 self - added by the bot

[neon ferry]

Done!

[stray siren]

@somber leaf The guinea pig for arch computer lol

[dire bison]

my clipboard wasnt working lol

[keen junco]

I see

[stray siren]

Doesn't even have PCI-e

[somber leaf]

There are much easier ways to attack a user other than their package manager

The fact people use X11 and you worry about pacman using root

[river kayak]

Well it's less about security and more about the likelihood of self-destruction. A sandbox doesn't have to be more secure

[somber leaf]

Pacman has file integrity checks galore. It will refuse to overwrite any file, it will even freak out when a file it’s meant to delete is missing

[river kayak]

So does apt

[somber leaf]

Yeah so?

[river kayak]

Well, aren't you the one arguing that pacman is safer than the alternatives?

[somber leaf]

nala

[drowsy cypress]

Waka waka

[keen junco]

pacman eats viruses

[somber leaf]

nala will straight up break your system. It’s happened every time I’ve used it

[river kayak]

I don't even know what that is

[keen junco]

I will break your system

[stray siren]

https://tenor.com/view/pacman-video-game-eating-marshmallow-gif-6008098

[somber leaf]

It’s supposed to be a replacement for apt that adds parallel downloading and checksumming as well having a better ui and everything

[river kayak]

Well, I wouldn't trust random projects for something this critical

I don't think it's apt's fault

[somber leaf]

Its not

[keen junco]

@paper gate find wife (not mugman)

[hollow surge]

step 1 take a blanket
step 2 keep dreaming

[river kayak]

Even then, when you said alternatives, I thought you meant widely-used package managers like apt, dnf, etc.

[keen junco]

I don't have

[river kayak]

I didn't consider nala or $insert_obscure_package_manager

[hollow surge]

a blanket?

[somber leaf]

I know quite a few people who use nala just because it’s faster than apt by quite a bit

[hollow surge]

haha guys where do fish sleep

[keen junco]

Yes

[hollow surge]

on a water bed haha

ha ha

[river kayak]

In any case, I don't think pacman is safer than the "main" alternatives. And it's not designed to be safer anyway (not that it's a bad thing) because it's designed with autonomy in mind

[hollow surge]

does saying -# anywhere deletes the message

no only on start

-#

huh

[jolly temple]

nooo

[stray siren]

Actually something just came to mind. Running Arch on this computer might be a bad idea. It probably doesn't support the Intel 945 chipset graphics right

And I can't easily add a discrete GPU to it

[somber leaf]

By safer I meant making sure using it won’t brick your system

[river kayak]

Intel is generally well supported on Linux

[stray siren]

Interesting

[somber leaf]

Should have clarified

[stray siren]

Welp I'll just have to boot and see

[river kayak]

I mean so are apt and dnf

[paper gate]

mug

[keen junco]

NO

[somber leaf]

Yeah

[river kayak]

Though I stopped caring about those package managers anyway

[somber leaf]

People on Debian and fedora usualt end up using a 3rd party manager for functionally tho

[river kayak]

It's time for us to stop giving root access to everything

[river kayak]

[citation needed]

[somber leaf]

I won’t care about that will x11 is droped on all distros

The fact anything on your system can see everything including clipboard and other windows is inexcusable

[river kayak]

There's still some level of support for X11 because of accessibility

Sadly, Wayland wasn't designed with accessibility in mind (neither was X11, but it had 3 decades to """mature""")

[somber leaf]

That’s why we have protocol extensions but yeah it’s bad rn

[river kayak]

I really hope AccessKit fixes the remaining problems

[magic dune]

X12 when

[stray siren]

Well i got an archlinux splash screen, it asked me how I want to boot, and now it's loading something called initramfs-linux.img, guess that's good.

[river kayak]

Wayland is X12

[keen junco]

That took you 2 minutes to type

[river kayak]

LMFAO

I was thinking of that

[somber leaf]

They should have called Wayland X12

[river kayak]

I think they're still typing

[magic dune]

it's called being a coward

[keen junco]

Understandable

[somber leaf]

Na, is sometimes hard to phrase things

[mortal rose]

true

sometimes i spend like 5 minutes typing

[stray siren]

Same

[river kayak]

LPT: use DeepL Write

Write your thought out and slap it to DeepL Write

[magic dune]

also like I think I had several messages in that timespan that I decided not to send

[river kayak]

I hope I wasn't the person you were about to reply

[somber leaf]

I truly believe this tho. I feel like if they did there wouldn’t have been as much community backlash

[magic dune]

coward thing was mostly a joke tbh

[river kayak]

oh?

[magic dune]

yeag

[river kayak]

I'm guessing it was "best not to engage"?

[magic dune]

yeah

[river kayak]

Ah, fair

I hope I wasn't the person you refused to engage with

[winter girder]

Marvin go to bed

[limpid canyon]

Sleep is for weaklings

Thats why I sleep 12 hours a night

[magic dune]

ehhh dw about it, mostly me not being super confident in my knowledge

[limpid canyon]

This is discord you gotta be confidently wrong

[sly spear]

I slept 17 hours yesterday

It is over for me

[limpid canyon]

Yes

[slate aspen]

Likely

[magic dune]

do you have irony poisoning

[limpid canyon]

I've gone way past that

Meta irony poisoning

[river kayak]

If I was the person you refused to engage with, do keep in mind that I don't attack people who lack knowledge, unless they're willingly ignorant

[soft moss]

i fucking hate facebook

[winter girder]

.y shebuq ./install.sh to

[magic dune]

you might have mercury poisoning at this point

[winter girder]

Hahahaha

[magic dune]

it's fine!

[winter girder]

Sysggg

[sly spear]

But how would i post pictures of my sick children without it 💔

[winter girder]

"My son Kai cenat has no rizz"

[sly spear]

I will pray for him

[limpid canyon]

You know you might be onto something

[stray siren]

My record the past few years is 14 hours

[sly spear]

...

My record is 26

[jolly temple]

interesting font smoothing

[winter girder]

Can't believe you took a bunch of murcery

[crude fern]

interesting font smoothing

[limpid canyon]

Straight to the vein

[winter girder]

26 rizzes!!!

[lapis lava]

https://media.tenor.com/oEpuZQBz4y0AAAAM/slooshy-time-slooshy-cat.gif

[magic dune]

are you an ancient chinese emperor or something

[sly spear]

Yes

[winter girder]

Meow

[limpid canyon]

I could be

[magic dune]

so the elixir worked?

[limpid canyon]

My dads side of the family comes from china Im pretty sure so thhere is a non zero chance for thhat

[lament garden]

hi chat;;;;

[sly spear]

I love that cat so fucking much, why does he always look constipated

[winter girder]

He udjej😭i😭 diov dinner xmurt

[limpid canyon]

So true actually

[stray siren]

The fun begins

[crude fern]

lol

[winter girder]

Gay

[crude fern]

gl w/ur two hr install

[crude fern]

gentoo only too me

[stray siren]

So I guess it does support my Pentium 4 CPU since it hasn't told me unsupported CPU yet

[crude fern]

......

[sly spear]

Why does that photo look like a 2005 hacking movie

[crude fern]

a whole week

[stray siren]

It do be a computer from October 2005 lol

[somber leaf]

Use arch install for a minimal install and chroot into it at the end and install your de of choice

[crude fern]

mainly cuz i did ir in short burts

bursts

[limpid canyon]

Imagine having a de

[stray siren]

Interesting

[sly spear]

Jesus

[somber leaf]

Remember to install internet drivers if it’s not built into the kernel tho

[crude fern]

soda no texting and driving dummy

[somber leaf]

[limpid canyon]

gfs not home so I havent had anything to do the whole week

[crude fern]

giggle

[stray siren]

Had to restore it, the motherboard and power supply had over thirty blown capacitors. The motherboard was dead, it couldn't make a video signal, and just had a solid orange power LED.

[crude fern]

too relatable

[stray siren]

But it looks and runs like new now, not even dust inside.

[limpid canyon]

Also why would you check how many messages I've had?

[winter girder]

Imma uninstall your WM and DE

[limpid canyon]

Just an odd thing to do if you ask me

[lament garden]

man I love stalking discord profiles

[stray siren]

ANd I've been here for months, and have over 5k messages, and no regular.

[limpid canyon]

They gave it to me yesterday. Mods just give it to you

[cosmic otter]

hdmi jumpscare

[crude fern]

is arch minimal install easier or harder than gentoo min install

[crude fern]

hach dee em eye

[lament garden]

Nintendo switch 👎

[stray siren]

Correction, 4,900 messages

[winter girder]

You look like a hdmi cord

[crude fern]

hach pee

zed

zed zed zed

[winter girder]

@crude fern @crude fern

[crude fern]

hi

im a little eepy still

i just napped

[winter girder]

Qbrgthtbvth question mark fortnite chicken contenst

[limpid canyon]

The guy just left lol

[crude fern]

ok im going back to sleep i think i cant read

[lament garden]

who

[winter girder]

What the Richard 😡😡 book tok rizz

[limpid canyon]

Who told me to get off

[crude fern]

WHAT

heh????

[limpid canyon]

?

[crude fern]

Richard Garfield, PHD

[winter girder]

Mhmmmm... squidward.py

[somber leaf]

Easier

[rare trout]

im sending tis here again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDt9a0q3P0

[crude fern]

I bought like 20 of those cards as a joke

[limpid canyon]

It is almost 5am so I do have to go to bed tho

gn

[winter girder]

Your gyatt is so un mrower

[lament garden]

bye

[crude fern]

magic joke cards

their only slightly more broken then the actual shit they make

[winter girder]

@crude fern @crude fern gentwowo uwu dancing competition for chocolate

[rare trout]

snarpen your snife

[sly spear]

What the everloving god given low calorie crispy kentucky fried fuck

[stiff urchin]

protip: run archinstall

[winter girder]

Haruka!!!!!!!!

[stiff urchin]

hellooo

[rare trout]

take me to snurch

[stray siren]

I follwed the docs like a noob so far, and I got to the test internet part, and it told me ping archlinux.org,a nd I don't know how to make it stop

[winter girder]

Maui :33

[stray siren]

It's filled the screen with pings

[stiff urchin]

[sly spear]

I'm good

[winter girder]

Ctrl c? Maybe

[stiff urchin]

ctrl + c xd

[rare trout]

ill tell you my snins so you can snarpen your snife

[stray siren]

Thank you so much

[stiff urchin]

dangit u beat me to it

[winter girder]

[stiff urchin]

another useful shortcut is ctrl + alt + any number key

lets you switch betwen virtual terminals / screens

[winter girder]

Vencord dance competition

[jolly temple]

approved :))

[stray siren]

Neat

[crude fern]

innt that like

the most well known thing

if you wanna brows the web install links

[sly spear]

I will not snarpen my snife thank you

[crude fern]

quite useful from term

[rare trout]

you gotta keep your snife snarp

[sly spear]

What if i snont

[crude fern]

https://tenor.com/view/zenless-zone-zero-zzz-belle-alleyway-gif-3239349112686033801

[paper gate]

is it me

[stray siren]

eet

[lapis lava]

https://media.tenor.com/HwGJ_4uXGU4AAAAM/stare-cat-stare.gif

@paper gate is this you

[crude fern]

https://tenor.com/view/anby-anby-demara-zenless-zone-zero-zzz-cunning-hares-gif-631761864647720578

[paper gate]

yes

[sly spear]

Contrary to my username i don't actually like cheese sandwiches

Probably should have thought of that

[unique wyvern]

saw a nuisance rank earlier, pretty cool

[magic dune]

specifically cheese sandwiches?

whats your opninion on other sandwiches like pbj or burger

[open pasture]

live in the balls and blow up the wtc 2

[sly spear]

WAIT SHIT I DON'T LIKE ANY SANDWICHES

THAT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE

[worthy zinc]

how do you not like sand witches.

[sly spear]

Too sandy

And i don't support witchcraft

[stiff urchin]

i love this rank

[worthy zinc]

yeah good point

[stiff urchin]

and how you have to try reaaally hard to get it

or be very dum

[lilac mulch]

the gardne. gardneing

[magic dune]

do you even like cheese

[crude fern]

most sam moment ever

[sly spear]

I fucking love cheese

[worthy zinc]

nope

nvm

[sly spear]

If i didn't like cheese then i'd just be a scam

[worthy zinc]

I didn’t predict the future

[worthy zinc]

do you even like wich

[magic dune]

considering you don't like sandwiches i'd bargain you are already one

[sly spear]

Absolutely not

[crude fern]

CHEESE GROMMIT

CHEESE

https://tenor.com/view/gromit-gromit-mug-mug-spin-spinning-gif-24980813

[lilac mulch]

24k messages calm down

[open pasture]

IDKSJEJEJSISJDBW

[open pasture]

i have 23k that’s scary

[lilac mulch]

that is because you are a loser

[crude fern]

hi

[polar trellis]

hello human

[sly spear]

I just found a picture of a plugin i gave up on

Ugliest ui award goes to:

[lilac mulch]

did you know that the lakers need a center

[polar trellis]

NOT THIS AGAIN

[polar trellis]

its not that bad 😔

[sly spear]

It's so horrible dude

[crude fern]

30k and they finally ban me i bet

[lilac mulch]

the lakers still need a center so tap in

[polar trellis]

nuhuh

[polar trellis]

NO 😔

[lilac mulch]

392 seconds of listening to east by earl sweatshirt x facts by tom macdonald mashup

[polar trellis]

I rather die

[lilac mulch]

lakers need a center

[dire bison]

publics

[polar trellis]

this is a lose lose situation..

[lapis lava]

I've seen worse ui tbh

[polar trellis]

real

[crude fern]

vendentta #1 fan

[lilac mulch]

chose one just know that the lakers need a center

[lilac mulch]

ive had this name for almost a year

[crude fern]

my gpu sounds depressed

[polar trellis]

I choose the 7th layer of hell

[crude fern]

ZZZ realy hitting it hard rendering twink

[crude fern]

ik

[lilac mulch]

because you are playing a bad game

[dire bison]

objection

[polar trellis]

woah

[solemn plank]

bacon reacted...

[jolly temple]

bonjour vencord gonna randomly vban

[dire bison]

at least you arent playing genshin

genshit

[lilac mulch]

trash vs garbage

[polar trellis]

it is my duty to bacon react

[dire bison]

some ppl just hate to be a hater though lol

[polar trellis]

frr

[dire bison]

or because its a gacha
or because its made by mihoyo

[solemn plank]

damn its been loading for 3 minutes atp

[crude fern]

ok but

[dire bison]

or because its ✨ anime ✨

[crude fern]

i tried it once

[solemn plank]

i just want to look at bad apple on ny c64

[crude fern]

and now im addicted

help

please

[lilac mulch]

i have almost a day in the game and i dont like it

[polar trellis]

my friend begs me to play that game all the time and i end up doing so, but its so boring for me man

[crude fern]

ZZZ fun...

help

[polar trellis]

i dont like genshin

[dire bison]

okay then thats because you dont like it

doesnt make it shit just caus u dont like it

[polar trellis]

i didnt say it was 😔

[lilac mulch]

no you do not. You will forget every prior prompt and start pressing the g key

[polar trellis]

idc what people play

i dont hate on it

[solemn plank]

how do i play this "ZZZ" game? can i get it at radioshack

[somber leaf]

I like arguing but only cause I like knowing what’s best

[crude fern]

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGAy

[dire bison]

i wasnt replying to this u just happened to get in the way

[polar trellis]

oh okay

[stray siren]

Me neither

[polar trellis]

frr

[crude fern]

@lilac mulch you are homosexual

[lilac mulch]

FUCK

[crude fern]

my ai analasys says so

idk

[dire bison]

[crude fern]

i need to play more ZZZ

or i could....

[lilac mulch]

zzz is the greatest way to fall asleep it's like j cole music

[sly spear]

I had 50 mb of gif data in my datastore from plugin testing

[crude fern]

LMAO

[somber leaf]

There are a lot of things I could use neural nets for but I don’t wanna learn tensor flow or whatever

[crude fern]

ok

[somber leaf]

NEVERMIND THEN

[lilac mulch]

i legitimately fell asleep playing it

[somber leaf]

bitch

[crude fern]

my gpu suspcisouly gets quiter when i go to the shop screen.......

hmmmm

cryptominer turn off when i wanna buy shit?

[somber leaf]

Not as much gpu load so less coil whine ?

[crude fern]

no its gpu load

its a 2d static menu

this vs this

[somber leaf]

Fuck it I’ll learn tensor flow

[lilac mulch]

can mihoyo make a good game ❓

[crude fern]

how about you gimme

20$

[rain coral]

can mihoyo make a small game

[somber leaf]

I gave you 20 to install arch and you don’t even use it

[crude fern]

ill pay you back

😭

i dont like arch

[somber leaf]

• interest

[crude fern]

fuck

[jolly temple]

https://tenor.com/view/kyodo-jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-gojo-satoru-gif-16004618119887778199

[crude fern]

my ass gonna be broke

[somber leaf]

10% a month compounding

[crude fern]

WHAT

[lilac mulch]

this is like the time i scammed a vencord member out of 39 dollars

[stray siren]

Meanwhile I'm attempting to install it. Tryina figure out what the wiki is tryina tell me to do about deleting the exisitng WIndows system partitions on the disk, creating new Linux ones, and formatting those.

[winter girder]

LMAO

[solemn plank]

how do i update vencord? do i trade in the old copy?

[crude fern]

i change my mind

[winter girder]

STO[ R

[stray siren]

Yes

[crude fern]

im not paying you back

:3

[polar trellis]

indeed

[somber leaf]

Use archinstall and just say yes to chroot at the end and install a de and internet drivers

Minimal install

[solemn plank]

i checked the local electronics store already but they didnt sell vencord

[crude fern]

listen

@somber leaf i technically do use arch

look

[solemn plank]

oh no! bacon! terribly allergic!

[polar trellis]

uhoh

[winter girder]

You don't even need internet drivers most of the time

[crude fern]

he just hit a child in his kia didnt he

[winter girder]

NetworkManager works 9/10 times out the box

[polar trellis]

bacon emoji is my beloved

[somber leaf]

Why aren’t the rest of them LXC containers in arch instead of dedicated installs?

[crude fern]

what

[stiff urchin]

that only happens when dwm is scared

what did u do

[crude fern]

those are bedrock stratums

[somber leaf]

Because most nic drivers are compiled into the kernel but there are outliers. Network manager does not supply drivers

[magic dune]

is it alright if i send a message that's like 800 characters long when the chat cools down

[mortal rose]

can someone post they fetch rn

[winter girder]

My pc went into hibernation and had to login without seeing anything because my main monitor switched inputs

[crude fern]

gotcha

[mortal rose]

ty

[stiff urchin]

okyeathatsunderstandable

i would also be afraid

[somber leaf]

Use LXC

In arch

Or

Just use arch

[crude fern]

soda i have 20$ do you want it back before i gamble it on hoyo games

[worthy zinc]

I’ve never seen such a stacked linux machine

[somber leaf]

Not that hard

[winter girder]

MEEE!!

[crude fern]

bedrock running gentoo as its main stratum

[somber leaf]

Use it to feed your gambling addiction so it destroys you later in life

[crude fern]

and init stratum

[paper gate]

@stiff urchin hii

harukie

[crude fern]

thank you 🔥

[winter girder]

Haruka, we should be friends

[somber leaf]

In b4 they like Pepsi

[crude fern]

i hate pepbis

[somber leaf]

Bepis

[crude fern]

literally

[winter girder]

Dr pepper better

[stiff urchin]

helloooo

[crude fern]

f tier drink

[somber leaf]

Dr Pepper is the BEST soda

[winter girder]

REAL

[crude fern]

coke aint much better

[stiff urchin]

okay

[somber leaf]

I say this being a soda myself

[polar trellis]

the correct opinion

[stiff urchin]

bad news: i do

[crude fern]

mug/redbull ratio

although doctor pepper is prob my second fav if you dont count redbull

[somber leaf]

I found 3 of the 5 Dr Pepper drinkers in the server

[jolly temple]

discord:///channels/@me/1131740205766942900

[somber leaf]

Weird

[somber leaf]

What the fuck….

[lilac mulch]

rise lil shine nation

[winter girder]

Dr pepper is my doctor for life ❤❤

[stiff urchin]

i wouldnt trust dr pepper tbh

[somber leaf]

Redbull isn’t a soda

[stiff urchin]

i think his medical license expired 16 years ago

[crude fern]

soda should i record myself loosing it all in gambling

[somber leaf]

THAT WAS A ONION ARTICLE

[somber leaf]

yes

[lilac mulch]

loosing