👂┇game-feedback

[gritty owl]

Sword and sledge were both nerfed into the shadow realm, please buff them a bit again. Especially sledge, its outclassed by pretty much everything on any range now. Atleast it can still destroy stuff

[odd snow]

Any thoughts on winch not cancelling the mini guns windup anymore? And instead when you winch a minigun user he just obliterates you in .2 seconds. Supposedly in 6.9.0 the minigun user has to rev it up again

[wet siren]

please put a minimum level limit on world tour, i keep getting teammates who just started the game and they play like they’re using their weapons and gadgets for the first time, it ruins the game and they just sell the game and then leave when we’re losing and that leaves me alone last place because they won’t do anything (also i think there’s an exploit with the grenade launcher where whole teams use it which causes severe lags and crashes, it happened to me multiple times in world tour and quickplay)

[ornate sage]

More outfit slots embark please I want to spend more money thank you

[versed sentinel]

When avoid as teammate option like Marvel Rivals

[topaz jungle]

Please make dagger more competitive

[hallow epoch]

embark don't listen to these crying baby's about melee the only one that could use a nerf is daggers backstab aside from that everything now is OK this is a shooter game not a medieval warfare game ,we have melees to make it more fun and have different styles doesn't mean they should be OP just cause you wanna run around with a sword so STFU. Side note throwing knives are absurd they do way to much damage and NEVER have to reload that is bs. The sh shotgun needs a nerf. KEEP the cl40 where it's at people bitch too much when medium has that one good weapon. Flamethower kills mediums and heavys way too slow it's only viable up close it needs a buff. M60 needs a buff to range and damage the range is worse then a lights pistol. The akm needs a slight buff to compete with fcar and we need MORE guns

[shy fossil]

Add redeemable codes in xbox game pass instead of having limited time skins rewards for as long as my subscription lasts

[rigid shale]

nerfing one of the very most underperforming weapons in lieu of standing next to a wall is a skill issue.

[steep imp]

Overwatch debuted a clever version of map voting this season. Worth taking a look for inspiration @devs

[sacred siren]

Iframes need to get completely removed. There's no reason for them to be in the game in the first place. If you hate get defib camped then your teammates shouldn't be rezzing in risky areas.

[safe ginkgo]

Revert sledge nerf

[cedar cave]

im unsure if this is a server issue but in some matches my bullets are delayed, like if i shoot a canister baloon, it should pop immediately but now it has like a second or so delay, this also means that i have to predict where enemies will be, which i dont think is intentional

sometimes a restart fixes it, sometimes it doesnt, already reported in bug reports but thought id share it here too

never happened until this season, but its really annoying...

[sinful fog]

Returned to the game after Season 2, barely touched S3-6 (may have tried those for 1-2 matches but not much more), very happy with current balance EXCEPT FOR Grenade Launchers, both MGL (H) and CL (M).
MGL32 allows for easy area sweeps with its 6-round chamber but because of its feature that forces user to ricochet projectiles before they hit enemy makes this gun MUCH HARDER to use, especially against Lights and mobile Mediums on short ranges.
CL-40 on the other side doesnt have any problems except pretty long reload that can be literally avoided by not shooting 5th shell, gun literally allows you to reload grenades one-by-one without any penalty.
This gives Mediums much more power in terms of area-denial just because CL-40 allows you to constantly damage your opponents, preventing them from regenerating, or even killing 2 and a half lights from the team just because they took something except dashes, while Heavy, already a slow class, is forced to use geometry that almost instantly gets demolished because of MGLs environmental damage.
I think CL-40 should just get somewhat a rework:
46-50 RPM (somewhat matching Light's SR-84) so it can't be perma-spammed against Lights while also making its users require to actually aim their shots
Move some direct hit damage to area damage to make gun less punishing against long-range enemies

For MGL32 I suggest just nerfing its environmental damage, its actually really hard to use any geometry if the whole building collapsing earlier than you even deal any damage

Also, a cosmetic suggestion, add capes as a separate element for Style cosmetics

[sterile canopy]

Very high latency. No, it does not mean you have to predict where enemies will be. It just means hitmarkers will be delayed

[split lotus]

I just won a ranked tournament after disconnecting very shortly during the loading of the second match. I played all three matches fully and lost -1000 RS as a penatly, lmao. The leaverbuster system is absolutely broken if this scenario can occur.

[tame vessel]

Here is a list of weapons that need to be buffed but not make them meta in the next balance patch

Spear: increase the basic attack damage combo to 70, 80, 95 and increase the spin attack damage to either 120 or 130

KS-23: increase the projectile speed to 500m/s and decrease the fire rate to 73 RPM and increase the player damage to 120

Riot shield: increase the swing speed by a little and increase the movement speed when blocking

R.357:Increase the bodyshot damage to 75 and decrease the headshot multiplier to 1.9 therefore making it 75 × 1.9=142.5 and also decrease the fire rate by a little bit maybe from 140 to 130 or just increase the fire rate to 160 RPM

Dual blades: add a parry mechanic so it can parry secondary attacks of all melee weapons like the sledgehammers overhead charge and it can also parry the primary attacks and increase the first swing damage from 50 to 55, increase the second swing damage from 60 to 65 and increase the final attack damage from 65 to 75 and make it so the final attack can be done faster and increase the movement speed when deflecting by just a little bit

AKM: increase magazine capacity to 34, 35 or 36, the choice is yours on what number you choose

ARN-220: decrease the duration of the tactical reload animation from 2.45s to 2.30s, decrease the duration of the full reload animation from 2.80s to 2.60s

Data Reshaper: increase the charges from 2 to 3 and decrease the cooldown from 26s to 20s

please, please Embark these weapons and gadget need some love
Hopefully someone at Embark sees this, these emojis will highlight the message so you can see them 🥇:🤠🤯😵:⚽️:grinning:😆🙃😇🫠

[atomic shore]

Remove Kyoto from WT and ranked pool map

[minor locust]

Why is LMAO censored but "commit suicide" isnt?

[royal igloo]

Terrible idea.

[trim gyro]

10/10 Cms as usual

[hexed terrace]

Melee is at it's worse state

[astral viper]

Un-nerf the Medium healing beam you cowards!

[flint ledge]

When rat skin 🐀

[twilit sand]

Remove kyoto until it is reworked. it is not comp ready

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller on consoles

[worn lintel]

Would be too fair
Gave heavy shields and the ability to heal themselves and now even ratty lights can heal faster than a medium 😄

[craggy otter]

Can we please nerf the grenade launcher already.
I am tired of being barrel stuffed by these controller players.
APS does nothing when there is 3 grenade launchers per game.
Very close to not playing the game until it's gone.
Every game mode other than World tour is unplayable.

[stable basalt]

There are literally bots in this game, what is going on.
Ever since 13:00 PT there are a bunch bots in Asia server, and it’s like every day. They play tdm and find a corner, use all of their gadgets, spam jump, and constantly hit the wall or making emotes. Please ban them.
The data is really weird isn’t it, two whole games 10 minutes of play just 500 damage or less

[jade blaze]

When Bank it will be back ? I miss playing this mode

[limber ingot]

wtf happened to servers ? game feels like playing on 200ms ping

[alpine summit]

Ranked is officially dead bunch of trio/duo stacks solo q is boring and good teammates are non existent, new players selling me every game

[sweet bloom]

always has been

[marsh oriole]

Rework the spear, have the secondary attack a throw instead of the spin? Also stop nerfing melee of people are too bad to kill a melee at distance that’s on them

[storm inlet]

nerf double barrel and cl40 😭 🙏

[slow patio]

Can we get a buff to the dual blades? They are so fun to use but super unviable

[fallow cradle]

Give us a shop filter system that lets us sort by Brand names / sponsors for those who are loyal to one or more brands specifically.

[tall zephyr]

wt is full of 3stack lvl 80 ruby's. can you stop putting me into the unemployed queue, when i just want to play a little bit after work? 3M defib with cl40 is still broken and not even close to balanced. i play L and M, whenever i face a better light i will always pick the cl40 just to counter whatever theyre playing and it works 90% of the time. its a nobrainer for me.

is this game turning into tarkov pve? non sweats will go to the pve mode, because they're sick of getting shat on by these 1000h+ players. pvp is getting less and less attractive for casuals.

[gloomy cradle]

Duel blades are fun (I’d argue better and more consistent than riot shield which really needs a rework/buff) but I wouldn’t complain about them getting buffed

[tribal grotto]

people are buying accounts that are ranked up to emerald for money please someone in embark stop this

[quasi delta]

Day 9 of waiting until Embark is compliant with 2025 EU consumer protection guidelines.

[feral hare]

Nerfing the sledge primary hit to 100 is reasonable, but the secondary down to 150 is brutal

[wheat wing]

• Perhaps there could be a conversion between the Equipment Tokens and the Show Tokens? Most of us have 5,000 equipment tokens just laying around perpetually. Being able to exchange those for Show Tokens would be nice since the Show Token rate is so low (a full round of TDM doesn't always give a single token).

• Please let us change the color of the contestant's eyebrows. 🙏 For a game that generates its money through customization, this is a small detail that would make a huge difference. It's a quick cosmetic change, but for people who care about the aesthetic (see: entire r/TheFinalsRunway community for example) it would be great!

[pliant lichen]

Problem is that WT is a garbage gamemode that people don't actually want to play kek. They put the rewards in there as the literal only incentive to play it over QC, which is just the same mode but with more 'actual gameplay in the videogame'. Having two separate pools for ranked and WT despite being the same mode is even dumber.

QC is absolute peak, little reason to touch WT over it unless you really want the skins lol.

[leaden shell]

ill probably catch heat for this and idc..EMBARK i understand u want both platforms console and pc to be as balanced as possible and thats fine but being a console player myself the aim assist feels absolutely horrible..for example i lowered it to zero and barely noticed a difference in my tracking im not sure what percent its at but considering the movement of this game it needs to be at least 60-70% cause lights+keyboard movement is almost impposible to track..idc what pc players say contoller has to have aim assist and nerfing it into tthe ground just ruins ur console players experince. i understand aim asist can be strong at times but keyboard has more advantaged being movement range percision hotkeys ect. i dont see where it would be bad to let us keep what is designed for our platform im not understanding where the problem is considering we have 1 advantage compared to thier what? 10?

[drifting topaz]

NERF CL40
NERF DB

[atomic basin]

crazy this game makes every gun that easy af to use the most broken

[austere wing]

Don’t nerf cl-40, buff underpowered weapons and maybe aps, so that they wouldn’t be so strong. It’s a fine weapon it’s just overused

[wispy ivy]

just take defib out of the game for 3 months while you do literally anything to make it not the most insufferable gadget to fight against or have used on you

[quartz cedar]

I would give you some proper detailed feedback, but because your balancing team has been confused for 1 year I'll just say NERF CL-40.

I know we are call of duty now, so I won't ask you to buff melee, but atleast make noobtube require more skill.

[dusty igloo]

Remove defib i-frames, nerf winch

[hardy hull]

the teamwipe was at 35% back in season 1, but the current 15% is far too low. if you were to increase it to 25%, the teams would play with less risk and therefore there would be fewer wipes and fewer double cashouts at the end. there is no punishment sometimes when a team wipes

[molten jackal]

You gotta stop the penalties on leaving world tour guys. For one, the matchmaking can be pretty awful... and then not being able to leave when you've just been massively outscored is frustrating.

[rough storm]

nerf light healing shite and remove CL already the game is legit ass rn

[graceful verge]

Game is great so far. Love the mechanics and diversity of gear and weapons.
My only issue is the rock paper scissors the classes seem to have going on. Bonus damage or damage negation simply because they are playing a specific class isn't something I agree with

[rain leaf]

Too much CL in game mean is OverPowered. Tell me when it is nerfed that i can play again.

[cobalt kernel]

CL40 needs nerf to projectile speed and travel distance mainly, It was pretty slow before but you overtuned the heck out of it, damage is fine i guess if you fix that

Buff breach charge fuse time, takes forever to explode

Buff Pyro grenade AOE

Buff Reshaper recharge time greatly, or give third charge back

BRING BACK BANK IT

Remove Quick Cash for it finally, this 3rd party clown show serves no purpose and keeps people actually away from the main game mode. In addition it is one of the main reason people come up with ridiculous balance suggestions like "remove Light class from the game" because they got ganked in QC, while L is still the weakest class in ranked. If players want to goof around just go play TDM

[slender pine]

censorship in this game is fucking crazy yall are worse than china and north korea combined

[latent niche]

I seriously miss bank it. I also miss getting 60+ fps :<

[jaunty tulip]

You can still do custom bankits

[tepid fog]

https://imgur.com/a/yJyUlor <- quickcash. the downfall of this game is crazy. probably some of the shittiest balancing ive ever seen in any game. rotation of the same overbuffed weapons with 0 counterplay, no skill involved.. and if you do have the chance to combat someone all they do is demat themselves or teleport away.

[analog glacier]

NERF CL40!

[indigo timber]

Absolutely bring it back!

[crisp parrot]

This game is cooked if the devs nerf a c tier gun just because quick play lights cry for a week

[jaunty vapor]

KS is a lot better than most people give it credit for. However, there is one big issue it has: It struggles very, very much against the close range heavy options (shak, minigun, sa1216). Considering that those are very strong heavy weapons, I think the KS should have its damage increased to 104 so that it can 3 shot + qm heavies. This will greatly increase its ability to fight these weapons without otherwise adjusting the interactions of the weapon much, such as vs medium or light with winch claw

[white elbow]

Pike should not be hitscan if Sniper is a projectile weapon, Mediums do not have the downside of being quick to kill as they have defib & heal beam & 100 more hp. Mediums also have similar mobility to light with jump/zip.

[unreal zodiac]

FIX the spear right click pls dont just up the number of object it can hit PLEASE

[sudden spire]

1. game is so unbearably laggy. I keep falling through the floor, killed around corners, and my gun doesn't shoot. Overwatch 2 is not laggy. fix your servers

2. the Goo Barrel is never helpful, ever. All the barrels are hit or miss for usefulness, but the Goo barrel is actively disadvantageous to throw

[frank holly]

+2 damage on Fcar, -1 mag size

[abstract patio]

Please remove the grendade launchers next patch for qualitly testing purposes

[thorn socket]

Please copy apex's ping system, it's so frustrating to be rage baited by the videogame itself when I try to ping a little light while I shoot it just for my character to say it needs healing

[grand temple]

Its fine imo

[mortal nexus]

The nerf on the Cerberus ruined the gun 🪦

[untold venture]

Instead of nerfing CL40 directly via a damage nerf/projectile speed etc. Simply increase the self damage so its up to par with rpg/frags/c4 etc. there is no reason why it should be less punishing for people who literally shoot at their own feet

[iron jetty]

MAcCCCCCCCC SUPPOOOOORTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[restive trail]

NERF CL40!!!!!!!!

[rotund gust]

can you please improve performance on XSX 120hz mode

[versed sentinel]

Can we add more cool animations/inspect like the Akimbo's disappearing effect to other weapons oh and add a Ranked solo queue only players button, very simple, I don't care how long I gotta wait for a match.

[austere lintel]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14810782638073851320/801CD2D7BCBA9EB67F06441D0FAC7434E2B8A0FE/ spear right click now no regs when it comes in contact with any object (goo,mesh,barricade)

[covert dagger]

So I see I'm not the only one that noticed they once again destroyed matchmaking lmfao

[next timber]

Buff cl40 it's the only answer to the light plague. It's not fair that some light can just have super high fire rates or sit far away with the sniper or bow. Make the cl40 1 shot lights it's what they deserve for playing like little bitches. It's not fair that I can't run away from everything like a light can and just instantly heal. Nerf light, bring their h Regen down to what mediums have, bring their health to 100 instead of 150 keep all their weapons and everything else the same. But it's not fun to play powershift against 4 lights and a heavy just sitting on plat doing nothing.

[sudden lake]

So has Embark ever actually implemented a suggestion from this channel or are we gonna be stuck capped out at 5,000 VR with nothing to spend them on until the heat death of the universe?
LET US TRADE VRS FOR SHOW TOKENS!!!!!!

[shrewd comet]

Please buff the flamethrower, either by giving it more range and keeping the damage or by keeping the range and giving it more damage, thank you

[median bloom]

Ranked matchamking is so bad..

[fierce widget]

I would pay you Multibucks if you could let me give limited time items to my friends. Take it out of my inventory and transfer it to a friend.

💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰

[ruby dew]

So... is the people asking to save mele just getting ignored big time?
#SaveMele

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.
So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed, they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[zinc oasis]

For the love of god fix the reload on the model please, I don’t even care if you don’t buff the thing just don’t make it feel like passing a kidney stone every time you want to reload

[fleet quiver]

remove cl40

[smoky gust]

Imo melee really deserves some buffs and i just wanted to leave some thoughts i have for each of them

Spear could use a buff to its m2 attack, always doing the 3 step attack can often get you killed
Instead it should last as long as its help (even if you need to delay how fast the first sweep deals damage)
Also please consider buffing its knockback on the cashout, being able to move it was an interesting mechanic

Pre-nerf sledge would likely be fine if getting into close range wasnt made as relatively easy with winch
I would rework winch to utility and slightly buff sledge, though i know that has other complications and is easier said than done, but maybe some readability/counterplay changes would be good instead

Dual blades reflect should have a tigher cone, as well as being slightly more effective at reflecting shotguns

Riot shield should be bigger to block more reliably
Maybe giving it a 2nd melee attack for when the shield is up, so you can block and attack, but with less dps and youre still slowed, having the option could help (especially when blocking is more consistent)

I dont think sword can really get its m2 damage back to 140 because of instant-combos
Instead you could buff it in some other way, like charge speed, or innate m2 lunge range so it relies less on dash and has better cloak/grapple compatibility

Dagger should be slowed down less (or not at all) even if just during the charge up to allow us to perform the stricter backstabs slightly more easily
For QoL it would be really nice if it got a little shine and metal noise like bow when fully charged (or a tap -> stab like throwing knives) to avoid failstabs

I know this is a lot and there is probably a lot more factors to it, i just hope that my ideas could be helpful in the development process

[outer niche]

revert the sword nerf

[hazy shore]

demat users shouldnt be able to close their portals. the game is about the evniroment and destruction. demat completely removes that mechaninc from the game from M's.

[stuck rock]

i think the MGL 32 should be looked at. when is the last time you saw that weapon have actual value?

[versed cloud]

If they did that I would reinstall the game and play again. Not likely to happen.

[silent plover]

can we get an anti gravity cube skin. maybe a pair of diceor something

[viral hearth]

It would be nice if we can cash in our shards we get for past battle passes in for 1 tier on the current battlepass

[latent shoal]

Delete grenade launcher, it's the only bad thing and ultra toxic weapons. Without grenade launcher the game will be better

[frank ibex]

Have diff edit cards for diff outfits/builds (you only have one for all as of right now)

[median moat]

Doubling down on cashout customisation would be nice.

Options such as cashout music, possible visual effects and customising the cashout station's colors for example.

Or at least give us an option to choose which cashout tune plays out, because some may miss the OG looping jingle. That alone would serve as a neat change

[olive lava]

Hello Embark, could you please put some effort into making more weapon skins have unique inspects?? I would really appreciate that. Especially ones that already exist!

I have sunk some money into skins because I love them & don’t mind spending it towards you guys, unlike other game developers who I don’t think deserve it. But the attention to detail is one thing I love in games, & it feels like half of your skins fall short in the “special” factor. They’re just half special.

Hope you guys could consider it

[charred delta]

wake me up when this noobtube bullshit ends... its not funny anymore ...not - even - fucking - close! ...we are at this point again where the CL40 is the better shotgun with less skill needed... just jumping around like a bunny and laughing your ass off... while other people have to aim... why does this cl40 bullshit have to be a problem every second season??? i´m serious ...why??? weeks of unplayable annoying lobbys... it was ok at the point when the damage you dealt to yourself was higher... but now its BS again ....but hey - you want to buff weapons that nobody is picking? maybe you should give the repeater or the revolver (the weapons that close to nobody plays because its punishing AF and not viable at all. espacially not at low or mid skill levels) some love instead of the fucking grenadelauncher 100 times in a row.... i´m so over this shit

[hallow wyvern]

Thanks for the awesome breakdown! You clearly have a deep understanding of melee mechanics in The Finals, and I really appreciate how thoughtfully you laid out your ideas.

You bring up a lot of solid points—especially around Spear’s M2 needing more control and safety, Sledge feeling overshadowed by fast-approach tools like Winch, and the need for better feedback on Dagger charge-ups. Your suggestions for the Riot Shield and Dual Blades also make a lot of sense from both a gameplay and counterplay perspective.

I think a lot of what you mentioned lines up with what many players are feeling—melee needs more love, consistency, and rewarding skill expression without being too punishing. These kinds of detailed thoughts are super helpful for community discussions and could definitely contribute to future balance changes.

[twin helm]

WOW INVIS IS REALY NOT A PORBLEM AT ALL THE WAY YOU CAN HAVE NO CLUE WHERE THEY ARE THEN THEY ONE HIT YOU AS SOON AS THEY COME OUT OF IT WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

[storm veldt]

Buffing melee would be nice, like making the riot shield swing speed a bit faster to better compete with the other melee weapons

[frozen tree]

I feel like people find me more when I’m cloaked, it’s far from a problem

[ionic monolith]

Db paired with cloak absolutely needs a nerf.

[drifting topaz]

NERF CL40

[nova mica]

Major skill issue

[toxic sedge]

This is great feedback! The only thing I disagree with is that sword should have insta-combo’s, quick melee combo’s were good as they were and should be returned, light’s already have bow & sniper, so sword should be able to insta-kill light’s, as light’s have good evasion AND are playing the glass cannon class, which most lights quickly forget, unfortunately. (including me, sometimes)

[verbal kayak]

Any plans to stop matching level 15s with 9 wins on my team in ranked that go 1 and 13? I have nearly 700 hours in the game with about 1200 wins and get placed consistently in low silver every season and have to crawl through mouthbreathers to get back to plat every single season.

[pine frigate]

Barefoot skin for summer with customizable nail polish when?

[ebon hemlock]

Yall gotta do something about griefing. there is no reason i should lose after dominating the whole game because 2 teams work together. We have $40k+ and lose because a team doubles and get the last 2 plugs so they are just barely ahead. and then i have to battle 3 teams to try to win. and then a team with 4 total kills beats me... like make all the cashboxes equal or bring back plug meta

[proud mica]

Yea :(

[digital shoal]

PLug meta made this worse.

[rough storm]

Very true. Since plug Meta season 4 it's gotten worse significantly.
Only way to stop it now is to remove doubling from the last cashout so the team that's first doesn't team up with last.

[half briar]

This game will forever be niche and frustrating because it's core game mode encourages and relies upon third and fourth partying. No other shooter outside of Battle Royales (which aren't objective based, and don't have constant respawns) has more than two teams on the field at once. It would be like playing three team soccer/football. A great gimmick, but it would never go far. Just give us 5v5 or 6v6 cash out modes and end this failed experiment.

[quick coyote]

Buff model, the mediums yearn for a useful shotgun

[lean cove]

There’s needs to be a damn ranked rehaul or something. I’m sick of getting crappy teammates who are barely past level 10 even, and clearly don’t fit the game lobby. Not even that, but most of my mates jsut disconnect for no reason. How am I supposed to rank up with these kind of people?! This game is a lot of fun, but good lord there needs to be some better matchmaking.

[raw briar]

please do NOT nerf healing emitter

[slow patio]

The problem with having big team cashout is that it basically turns into which team can camp/out-heal better. I have played so many matches of TDM where we were winning, and then the other team swaps to all heavies and miniguns. It is infuriating, and it makes not want to play TDM when it happens. 5v5 cashout matches wouldn't change much from that. It would be cool to see it as an LTM, but replacing the current formula is not a good idea.

[ornate widget]

remove kyoto

[sly sphinx]

Bro this one is genius, rework the dual blades to charge up when deflecting, the charge goes down every second you arent deflecting. When the charge meter fills up you can use it to dash forward or up depending on your facing direction. This can be used as a powerful gap closer or an escape tool. And also for balance i suppose youd have to make the deflect move not block as much damage as it does now and youd tune it until it matches the targets for time to kill and is still balanced against good aim and gadget use from the enemy.

[timber valve]

remove cl40

[lilac grove]

Make the cl40 do 10 damage and insta kill the user irl when they shoot it

[marsh frost]

Make CL40 haters get a job

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.
So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed, they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[kindred swift]

Bro wants a buff on the most overpowered melee

[winged condor]

So me and my squad are playing heavy double medium, and the other team was running triple light. We both got a cashout so it was tied, but they grabbed the final cashbox. After grabbing it they proceeded to run from us and not plug the cashbox in all game. We couldn't even catch them because they had grapple hook. This went on the whole final round and they still won without even plugging the cashbox. EMBARK, please make it so they have to plug in the cashbox if the game is tied. This game of cat and mouse is beyond annoying and very scummy.

[shell berry]

i agree, an infinite overtime should start when the timer hits 0 if a cashbox still exists, and only stop once it gets put in, and get instantly cashed out

[grave flare]

Add Haptic feedback and trigger support for the PS5 controler🙏

[pliant lichen]

Make people who have any respect for an actual fun fight you mean? CL-40 isn't even broken, it's just blatantly unfun to go against. That and usually those running it will int games out of a hilariously low gamesense. I bring that up because it's eerily consistent. CL needs a rework, not nerfs. If it focused on direct hits and airshots it could be cool as heck, but right now it's (just) a crutchy noob tube.

[normal reef]

Maybe instead of tiers can we have skin properties?
'Weapon/epic' does not help nearly as much with decisions as

/Has custom animations
/Exclusive pattern
/Lighting effects

Tags like these would

[sterile sequoia]

I’d like to see more game modes like capture the flag or hardpoint. The FINALS would legit be better than COD MP.

[grave bane]

The ability to switch the sides for upper back, lower back, crossbody, emblem, watch and wrist. It'd also be nice to have bracelets on both wrists. Earrings in a future update could be a nice addition

[versed gull]

Please add textures to the custom gun sights. So many of the skins I've bought turn into complete eye sores the moment I add a reflex or holographic

[unkempt bridge]

The cl40 is actually driving me nuts, its low skill ceiling to be effective is making it wildly overused and not only is just getting 2 tapped with an aoe weapon brutal, its just annoying in general, i can barely hear anything with 24/7 explosions absolutely destroying my eardrums in any game i play and tanking server performance with large scale area enviroment damage. its almost never just one either, 2 or more fire in your general direction and you're done. I'm not asking to make it useless, i just want it to take more skill to be effective, so shrank radius for aoe or something, maybe even add direct hit damage to compensate. But you went and nerfed more melee weapons while simultaneously saying you want to keep melee viable. Not only did you nerf sledge you removed a core mechanic of dagger labeling it as a bug fix and burying it in the patch notes. You have done a new nerf to dagger almost every single season when its already underused because there is little reward for sacrificing range. Almost every weapon out dps it (excluding backstab which is easy to counter) from a range let alone melee range. And the extreme slow down when charging it has completely limited it to dash making it a very narrow playstyle even before removing even more utility. You also completely gutted sword and left several empty promises, several melee mains have already quit because there has been little hope and just complete negligence when it comes to feedback. There have been several bugs that havent been patched for as long as i can remember and its been multiple months with unacceptble server performance. You will kill your game at this rate. Get it together

[icy marsh]

Why have you been ignoring sword?

[nocturne stirrup]

Total agree. This cl40 Spam is Just hillarious. Energy Game ist loaded with spamming shit.

[fierce blade]

Does anyone know if there’s been any talk of improving legacy battle pass progression?

[tribal spoke]

Buff dual blades please by making them deal 63/63 damage

[cobalt parcel]

Dear Embark,
Can we please find a solution for the priorise pick up/ reload issue on console. It killed me in so many ways and leads to great frustration. Could we maybe get the option to put pick up on double tap and reload on one tap (or short hold ? Really would help in so many heated situations on console ❤️🙏🏼❤️

[pseudo latch]

FLAMETHROWER REWORK SUGGESTION
Flamethrower has been vastly underperforming for seasons, and considering the weapon is almost identical to the weapon it was back in OB, it’s about time for it to recieve some major changes.

• Increase its range back to 10 meters: Same range as open beta, its pretty much the only thing it hasnt gotten back.
• Increase overall DPS by 10: This will still leave it doing much less damage than most weapons, but at least it will be killing a medium faster than 3 seconds.
• Rework the "ADS" into an Alternate fire:
  - Alt Fire launches a fireball projectile that detonates on impact. Does 70 on a direct hit, trickles off to 30 damage at minimum range. AoE of 3 meters. Costs 5 Ammo to fire, RoF of about 90 RPM. Projectile is about as heavy as current Anti Grav Cube (no "sniping" people with fireballs)
  This would give Flamer a bit more utility and viability at range, without completely invalidating its primary fire.

SPEAR REWORK SUGGESTION
Spear as it stands just isnt working. The spin is a fun idea but its too high commitment, and far too easily punished or whiffed. It’s a fun idea but it needs to go.

• Alt fire is replaced by a spear throw:
  -upon alt fire, Heavy "charges" a spear throw (similar to how TK alt fire works) allowing them to throw a 100 damage spear projectile, with the same weight and speed of a CL40 grenade.
  This gives spear some utility no other melee can claim, allowing heavy to follow up kills that would otherwise get away from him. Though the DPS would obviously be rather low to punish spamming.

KS-23 REWORK SUGGESTION
The KS23 has been in a sore spot since its addition, what little times its stood in the spotlight very swiftly nerfed out of existence, and in the state its in, its been very cruelly power crept out in lieu of other, more reliable close range options like the SA12 and the minigun. More than anything its main gimmick of being an accuracy weapon that isnt perfectly accurate has lead to it having significant issues, and i think more than anything, that needs to go.

• Primary fire has been changed from a single projectile to a ten pellet spread. Triangular "ten pin bowling" arrangement.
• Each pellet does 10 damage each, and 100 structural each. (maybe 11-12 each but i know we want to avoid QM "kill combos, though my opinion on that is we should just let lights die fast)
• Reload now uses the "double shell" animation regardless of if the weapon has been emptied or not: speeds up general reload time when weapon isnt emptied
  This change would give the weapon more reliable consistency in combat without sacrificing its main gimmick of destruction.

Oh and like, just make the MGL grenades explode on player contact. Like cmon, TF2 figured this shit out 17 years ago.

[storm veldt]

Buff melee 🙏

[pine frigate]

What's happening to this game? The amount of sweats / full stack teams using meta while I solo in quickplay of all things is too much. I really enjoy this game, I've played on & off since S1 and have played nearly daily since S3 but I can't keep up anymore, been debating uninstalling after S7 as I rarely have fun anymore. Its a real shame I really do enjoy this game its addicting and I want to keep playing but the continuous spawn camping from often times ranked players, regular toxic teammates/opponents, people somehow never missing a shot from even across the map. Don't even get me started about the actual problematic items that need to be modified meanwhile stuff that wasn't as big of a deal gets nerfed to the point of uselessness almost as if its only catering to ranked players/streamers who can't deal with being outplayed by off-meta. Of course I really do want to continue playing and Embark you guys are doing an amazing job at making a unique competitive fps with cool rewards, skins, maps, weapons, etc. Definitely keep up with that but I've been having less fun feeling more angry every season multiple of my friends are expressing similar feelings 2-4 of them even having quit entirely and others currently debating. Know at least one person here will likely say "skill issue, get good, etc" as that's how a lot of the community seems to treat players going through difficulty on this game, I know I'm not the best but still I've been playing fps games my whole life yet I struggle here. Though as a fulltimer juggling life its just impossible for me to compete well regularly at least in the last 2 seasons seemingly. I know people don't like hearing this either but if some form of co-op PvE was added I'd sure as hell be enjoying the finals more/spending more.

[dense mantle]

Pve in this game is kinda needed considering how dead pvp is especially in solo que. Only way to enjoy pvp rn is having a premade squad sadly ever since they screwed matchmaking from s3 onwards

[hardy bison]

I personally think everyone in the community wants the cl40 buffed that's from what I've observed so far left click 100-200, self damage reduced to 60, ammo 6-10. Everyone clearly agrees the sledge clearly needs another nerf left click 100-75, right click 154-94, slower swing rate. the dagger also needs another phantom nerf, back stab angle decrees to 90 degrees, left click 60 back to 50, backstab 320-200, of course you don't state dagger nerfs in the patch notes as it is tradition. I am currently awaiting more melee nerfs and obviously keep dual blades and riot shield away from nerfs only heavies and lights SHOULD ONLY be nerfed.

[crystal umbra]

guys I think the cl40 needs a buff

[wheat kite]

This season is the troll season no reason that the cl40 riot shield dual blades and lock bolt are the most picked weapons and gadget just buff all the things that make people not want to play the game

[hallow canopy]

Make a feature to choose which skins we randomise

[edgy glen]

Try listening, invis is very loud unless the user is not standing perfectly still, to the point where it can often be a hinderance over not using it.

[fleet quiver]

please keep nerfing melee and buffing explosions, in fact make cl40 have no self damage and decrease melee damage even more because obviously a grenade launcher should be the one killing in close combat

[rancid cloud]

Just played 10 minutes of the world's crappiest mode and only got 2 points. Strange that you get more points for losing quick cash than you do for WT. HMMMMMMMM???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[inland maple]

ranked grind impossible in low ranks without team!!!

[livid pivot]

You guys I love you and I love this game
You should bring back that aggressive anti cheat though
Like the most peaceful few nights I've ever had on this game

Unbelievable the amount of bugs I'm encountering in 7.1 😭 just to cry for just to cry from
When I'm aiming with the AK and the magazine is up taking more than half of the screen or when the weapon is floating when you rev somebody or in world tour when I'm looking at the box and it says 15K instead of 12K or when just randomly when I'm aim down side with one of the weapons and it takes more than half of the screen especially the AKM or throwing the gas canister one direction and it going in a completely different one or just randomly spawning on me and exploding on me I just can't and the best just my favorite while I'm aiming in the middle of an enemy and my friends are watching while we're playing together and I'm shooting at him and not a single bullet hit I'm crying
Also increasing the spawn points while being killed spawn camp and then spawn again five times in a row in the same spot

And an unbelievable amount of cheaters yesterday just can't can't deal with it can't accept it
Eu server by the way
Knowing where I am at all times like going from building to the next building and then waiting for me and being finished in half a second from 20 m or more sometimes 40 or 50 meters being killed in half a second not even a sniper submachine gun or an assault rifle unbelievable unbelievable I just report and report and nothing happened come on not everybody is a master at shooting you in the face at all times from all distances no matter what the weapon is like that shi doesn't make sense

[rotund gust]

I hate the new bug where you can't pick up carriables when your magazing isn't full on controller and it also doesn't let you reload or if it does it gives a phantom reload

[tired wolf]

Cant you just show us our PING WHEN PLAYING PLEASE
HOW IS THIS NOT HERE YET. ???
WE DONT CARE ABOUT NAIL COLORS GIVE US PING

[wraith gale]

My current wishlist: *"Refuse revive" feature/button, especially necessary for solo players.
*While dead, we NEED loadout changes to apply in Quick Play, WT modes whether you are revived or respawn yourself. Whether I'm just changing from a frag grenade to a Jump pad, or changing to my other contestant.
*In-game ping display. PLEASE

[potent solar]

did 522 dmg to a light stealing and he lived thanks to infuser. not the best design going at the moment

[twin helm]

it feels like theres no reason to play medium anymore lights are better at support then them they do more damage they have better cashout defense and survivability #gutlight #" skillissue " #dyinggame #illbeplayingagaintomorrow

[wooden shuttle]

Nerf the double barrel, its essentially the dagger but with absolutely 0 skill expression. Getting killed by the dagger is tasteful I can respect the hustle as a melee main myself but when I die to the double barell I wanna uninstall the game immediately (also fully support the comment below )

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.
So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed, they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[cyan narwhal]

if you report a hacker and they get banned you should get a white hat hacker skin as a reward like rocket league used to have

[tender urchin]

good idea

[somber dew]

watch ppl use another device to self report

[slender girder]

• Allow us to decide what songs are played in the main menu and when waiting for games. A playlist.

• Allow us to design a player card per constestant.

[shrewd echo]

Imagine getting owned by someone using hacks and then they message you to uninstall...

[pastel shore]

Hi everyone!
I used to be a huge fan of The Finals — I’ve logged almost 1800 hours in the game.
But after the release of Season 7 and the balance changes, it’s become unplayable. You’ve completely broken the microbalance when playing with the sledgehammer, and the Light class is now overpowered. In every match, I’m forced to suffer because I don’t have enough TTK to kill them.

Some might say I’m just whining, but almost everyone I play with says the same thing — even quick matches have turned into a chaotic mess. The game simply doesn’t bring the same enjoyment it did just three weeks ago, before the Season 7 update and the balance changes.

I’m ready to quit the game, because now it causes more frustration than fun — all thanks to the broken balance you’ve made.

[versed gull]

Please make melee viable in ranked!! Stop nerfing damage and movement!

🥹🙏 🔪⚔️🔨🗡️🛡️

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller on consoles

[agile cloak]

can the sniper get a much needed buff. it gets out class by everything

[heady quail]

just nerf flamethrower atp please

[haughty totem]

Nerf CL40. it is outclassing the rpg per hit in most situations

[jaunty tulip]

BUFF XP IT DOES LESS DMG THEN 80% IF GUNS. m11, ARN, AK, Famas, Fcar, Lewis Gun, M60, shake. most of the gun are also used by class with atleast double a lights health or the gun its self has better feratures. for example ARN same dps but double the ammo or shake way higher DPS and more then double a lights Health

[topaz tendon]

Okay, here's Actually a good idea. Add more Cashout Locations, so it will freshen up current maps. Also new Powershift Routes for more replayability in this gamemode. For Terminal attack only, you can add new different obstacles for players to use or hide behind

[final solar]

nerf cl, this gun in ridiculously strong

[tame vessel]

Here is a list of weapons that need to be buffed but not make them meta in the next balance patch

Spear: increase the basic attack damage combo to 70, 80, 95 and increase the spin attack damage to either 120 or 130

KS-23: increase the projectile speed to 500m/s and decrease the fire rate to 73 RPM and increase the player damage to 120

Riot shield: increase the swing speed by a little and increase the movement speed when blocking

R.357:Increase the bodyshot damage to 75 and decrease the headshot multiplier to 1.9 therefore making it 75 × 1.9=142.5 and also decrease the fire rate by a little bit maybe from 140 to 130 or just increase the fire rate to 160 RPM

Dual blades: add a parry mechanic so it can parry secondary attacks of all melee weapons like the sledgehammers overhead charge and it can also parry the primary attacks and increase the first swing damage from 50 to 55, increase the second swing damage from 60 to 65 and increase the final attack damage from 65 to 75 and make it so the final attack can be done faster and increase the movement speed when deflecting by just a little bit

AKM: increase magazine capacity to 34, 35 or 36, the choice is yours on what number you choose

ARN-220: decrease the duration of the tactical reload animation from 2.45s to 2.30s, decrease the duration of the full reload animation from 2.80s to 2.60s

Data Reshaper: increase the charges from 2 to 3 and decrease the cooldown from 26s to 20s

please, please Embark these weapons and gadget need some love
Hopefully someone at Embark sees this, these emojis will highlight the message so you can see them 🥇:🤠🤯😵:⚽️:grinning:😆🙃😇🫠

[drifting heart]

love the Finals, but please do something about the cheats & low level smurfs .... would love to see a conquest - capture the flag mode .. that would be ace!

[drifting topaz]

NERF CL40 NERF CL40 NERF CL40

[normal reef]

Please buff melee man

Sword is ass right now, we have waited TEN patches for you to "bring the number up"

Dagger has been ass ever since the hold to charge was added

Dual blades are barely usable with that slow ass swinging attack

Riot shield is 'okay' by melee standards but even that is susceptible to your lovely cl40

Sledgehammer feels ass against anything other than light now

Don't even get me started on spear

And what do we get in exchange of putting our guns away?

-No ranged offense (dual blades ricochet counts as defense/counter)

-No interaction with hanging canisters

-Absolute uselessness when low gravity mode hits

-Lower TTK's than other similarly ranged weapons ON THE SAME CLASS

If you really wanted melee to be viable you'd have reverted sword and dagger, buffed spear and dual blades, and left sledgehammer alone

[peak wagon]

Rework sword back to OG please, the dagger is 10x better at the state the swords in

[fleet pecan]

I really enjoy 1v1ing my friends but I can’t change match times or respawn times in private matches- EMBARK PLEASE HEAR MY CRIES

[mild root]

I just wanna be able to change my loadout without having to go, “WAIT! DON’T REVIVE ME”

[ivory dagger]

we need a Red Skin AK so bad

[chilly sail]

Actually we need smt shiny but not girly at same time. Smt like cod skin for last camos

[glad pike]

This is unreadable and awfully wrong

[rich topaz]

game is cooked, back to cod

[hollow badger]

buff deagles

[crisp parrot]

Do not nerf one of the worst guns in the game lmao

[heady raft]

Embark please buff sword again, the damage nerf it received barely make it playable let alone viable

[thick sorrel]

Your core tournament mode is flawed (WT/Ranked)

• split playerbase

• 3rd party fights

• teaming/griefing by 1st place

• Overall class balance still sucks

• Servers are bad

[fierce widget]

I would pay you Multibucks if you could let me give limited time items to my friends. Take it out of my inventory and transfer it to a friend.

💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰

[quaint portal]

shotgun oneshots light at close range
Embark: 😄
Any Melee weapon oneshots a light at close range
Embark: 😡

Gotta love this logic, balance team. /s

[cyan sable]

Bass guitar sledgehammer bundle! The sledge should be a bass guitar, the backwear should be an amplifier, the lower backwear should be a coiled/looped cord.

[livid pivot]

medium class are like none of them could compete with the light weapons or the heavy weapons really useless or gimmicky

Fix this game fix the hell out of those bugs first before anything else like this game cannot advance and live on if it keeps on having bugs like that every time you increase the features want to do something new we get 15 new bugs
What about the one where you get killed from behind the door or behind the corner like I'm already crossed behind the thing 5 m in and I'm still getting shot at how why
And the servers don't get me started on those four poor read alarm servers every day some lag
Can't be real
It's killing me this love hate relationship it's twisting and churning my internal organs

[spare ravine]

Give back dagger 180

[tropic snow]

For next balance patch make heal emitter ball explode when destroyed just like a red barrel
H+ only needs a slight adjustment, if you nerf it just fine tune it otherwise noone will run it

[shy token]

Tac vest cosmetic

As a crossbody item!

We already have bullet slings, harnesses, sling bags, and freaking wrestling belt - so why not tac vests which can cover some to next to nothing of the upper body (see attached examples).

This is such a simple thing that could spice up the customisation of our contestants. Hell, if there was a bundle with different colors (tan, black, camo whatever) it can could make a killing too.

But most importantly, it adds variety to a game stagnant with tacticool upper bodies; these could add flavour to a freaking t-shirt or hoody that no one has thought of using because it's just not cool on its own.

We have outfits that are literally a shirt or top with tac vest or harness, yes. But they are locked together. I want the harness to be available on its own with near unlimited options.

THE FINALS already provides so much variety, and the #🔥┇drip-check is proof of that. So why not add some more to it?

[versed sentinel]

haha get the melee babies back to chivalry or something, this is a shooter, keep them melees nerfed, in fact, nerf them even more

[wispy ivy]

haha get the gunbabies back to cod or something, this is a pvp game, keep them guns nerfed, in fact, nerf them even more

[keen lily]

fix ranked

[zinc oasis]

5/10 bait, people will probably fall for it tho

[gritty turtle]

Send someone to fix my router

[soft siren]

Please let me change my club tag to nothing all the cool tags are taken but I want the contracts

[night spindle]

i have a really original sugggestion thats sure to change the game forever: nerf cl40

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.
So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed, they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[summer bluff]

CL-40 Projectiles should be blocked by teammates like bullets do. Besides the aoe damage, this is a too big advantages in closed quarter combat.

[quick coyote]

Add voice lines for your characters when getting shot by multiple teams.
Something like:

''There's another team!''
''Third party in the scene!''
''Multiple enemy teams!''

[broken crest]

Dear EMBARK TEAM
Dear EMBARK TEAM I have one thing to say about your patchotes we real the last patchotes are right against Mele Weapons properly shit I see no one wants the weapons that the weapons are generated as Z. Dagger or Hammer and Sword (except Appoh) But they do it anyway they only lose your players because that annoys. That's why I ask you to BUFF the weapons again especially hammer and sword in the next UPDATE thank you

[fringe obsidian]

That was a very annoying feature for all projectiles (including RPG, goo gun, all throwable gadgets) in Season 1 and it was removed. It's better this way for everyone involved

[surreal meadow]

agreed, but that goes for any game. adding more players per team (5v5) allows more flex options and less personal performance needed. just make 5v5 Final Round and 3v3 Final Round into its own gamemode, not replacing anything.
some people like 5v5, some like 3v3v3v3, or 3v3

the argument with this game is that its too much all at once
change the lobbysize as a new gamemode so all can enjoy

[tired fable]

Yo Embark

// Training mode

• add dmg range, %accuracy, spread informations,
• targetCPU presets, short capacity CD option
• possibility to choose different types of building and reset destructions
• cashout station and figurine mate

// QoL

why we can't have contestant number 69, explain us
Match history: add it
Items shop: add possibility to test shooting, reload animations...
group: make possibility to give lead, to join mate and be spectator when he is ingame
random FAVORITE skin : thx you to add random skin option but can we have a random favorite selection like apex please ?
Skin preset : add gestures, spray, audio, card pose, weapon skin, etc... on skin preset plz
Loadout preset : let us cook loadout preset for real
Sledge lobby Pose: thx to change AKM pose but now buff sledge pose it need it
Sight: Let us choose weapon sight in training mode and before match
UX Loadout: put 2 items lines when choosing weap/gadget before match, scrolling is annoying
Team color: change pink or purple into green, it's hard to make difference during high fight
Coin revive: button/icon "I will coin" "dont revive" when wiped

// BALANCE

Pyrogrenade: 30 > 20sec CD
Dagger: remove charge cancel when climbing and make M2 charge work like throwing knife M2
M26 matter: make the 5centered pellet deal 13dmg and 6 external's 10dmg /or/ reduce spread
Turret: give a Turret health bar on UI to monitor Turret HP
Explosive Mine: 15 > 12sec CD / or / 2stack 20sec CD
Reshaper: less CD when swapping props/grenades/rocket
Breach drill: 0 reason tu use it compared to others M tools
Dual Blade: buff deflect accuracy and attacks are goofy buff it
GooGun: M2 need a alternative shoot, charging goo line ? idk
Spear: split M2 full combo animation into 1 swing per M2
Sledgehammer: just revert nerf
KS23: destruction buff is very appreciate but it needs to be more efficient in fight

[vast saffron]

Revert sledge nerfs!!!🗣🗣🗣

I really don't understand why they nerfed it. If you see a heavy playing sledge, then the first thought that comes up should be "I need to stay out of his range", since that is the easiest counter. And if you decide to ignore that and get too close to him, it is obvious that you will be heavily punished for it.

Sledge was never as toxic as sword-dash combo, because heavy is the slowest and largest class, making it the easiest target to hit and stay out of range from.

MakeSledgeGreatAgain!

[summer elk]

Here’s my god awful and very hot take list of changes I want to see to make THE FINALS feel less like a competitive shooter and more like a gameshow shooter again:

1. Fix the shotguns, specifically model. All the shotguns are designed to be quick killers from close range. Model 1887 is the only shotgun labeled as “long range”. Even then, Cerberus is just a better option in all fights because it catches players on fire from an unlimited distance, rendering Model pointlessly ranged, and has a slower reload than every other shotgun in the game, making it harder to use and less rewarding.

2. ARs and SMGs. Fire rate, TTK, and balancing. ARN should do 1 dmg less, while increasing its fire rate, it’s just XP with a 60 round chamber. If a gun has more ammo, balance the damage around how many bullets you have left if you hit your shots right.

3. Melee weapons. Give them more damage. The risk of bringing a knife to a gun fight should reward a kill, which takes careful planning and skill to execute. Bring sword back to about 3/4 of its original lunge damage, and revert the original nerfs to Dagger. Learn to fight melee, because if you lose a fight to someone with a knife while you have a gun? That’s your own error.

[livid spruce]

A few honest suggestions after playing the game for a long while:

📌 MAPS

• Re-add Vegas 2032 in the WT and casual rotation, maybe even add it in TDM and Powershift if possible.
• Vegas stadium should probably be turned into a random variant of Vegas 2032 instead.
  I get it, maybe the timing was rough with you and you needed a map for season 6 so you provided us with a rework of something already existing. But s6 is over, Vegas stadium shouldn't take the spot of a map in the rotation since it's fairly similar (and honestly kind of kills the vibe the original vegas managed to have). Remove the Stadium sandstorm version and Vegas 2032 will now have three different variants (on top of the weather conditions).

📌 COSMETICS

• Circuit and LTM cosmetics should also come back as purchasable bundles.
  Beta, tournament, ultimate and bonus page rewards already are a proof of dedication and exclusivity. Why gatekeep for no particular reason?

📌 GADGETS

• Give data reshaper its charge back and also give it a very short delay between reshapes to prevent accidental spams.
• Light heal SMG is overtuned, nerf it.
• Heavy ball is fine, but this fortification meta is boring tbh, and the ball should slowly lose HP as it heals. The rate of HP it loses should remain the same depending if one or multiple allies are healed together, to encourage team healing.

📌 WEAPONS

• AKM is currently on the low end right now. Hipfire should have less bloom and get half of the bullets it lost during S4.
• CL isn't OP, it's simply overpicked right now simply because every other weapon is nerfed and unreliable. It is time to buff up some other weapons because this AoD meta isn't it.
• Sledge's secondary long attack should deal more damage.

[dark niche]

can we get a buff to the reshaper? its a fun counter to turrets & the emitter and i think it should get its third charge back and maybe a bit extra range
also can we make it easier to reshape dome shields? i hate how you can reshape them but you have to go inside the dome to do it

[halcyon patio]

Healing is by far the worst meta added to this game. It makes power shift borderline unplayable

[cobalt kernel]

ADD iron sights to sniper rifle!!

CL40 needs nerf to projectile speed and travel distance mainly, It was pretty slow before but you overtuned the heck out of it, damage is fine i guess if you fix that

Buff breach charge fuse time, takes forever to explode

Buff Pyro grenade AOE

Buff Reshaper recharge time greatly, or give third charge back

BRING BACK BANK IT

Remove Quick Cash for it

[reef spade]

ARN is perfectly balanced atm

[blazing pelican]

Nerf CL40 please, people doesn't even try aiming or just playing anymore, they're just spamming it to be sure to win, it's unplayable

[verbal breach]

make the AKM great again

[pseudo bobcat]

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[storm veldt]

Buff everything, nerf nothing, especially buff melee

[errant prairie]

I think embark should update their reccomended pc specs on steam page. i have exact same pc spec and its impossible to get 60 stable on lowest possible graphics even without any aa

[spring dome]

mouse and keyboard support please for ps5

[smoky pagoda]

Went from 39.8k to 37.5 because I kept getting sold in the first round then I get a positive rank udjustment this morning and it’s only like 200… if my rank score increasing because I played a game that had a cheater and cost me to lose then that whole loss should be reverted yes or no?

[smoky gust]

Nozomi | Citadel is incredible, so many interesting to see, so much interesting scenery
please do something like this again when creating your next fictional map

[zinc palm]

genuinely love this one

[waxen olive]

light heal needs to be halfed in either dmg OR ammo count

[patent wind]

amethyst gun skins. these are rewarded after completing mastery challenges that are unique to the gun. ex. sniper could be a certain number of headshots.

said mastery challenges unlock after hitting level 6 on a weapon. (unless yall have a more creative idea)

[cedar cave]

This is really good, id love that

[novel trench]

I’m sure it’s a bug and totally not intentional but it seems 69 isn’t an applicable number when selecting our Contestant # in the social settings.

Also please reenable the option to disable the chat filter.

[sage sonnet]

I like this idea. And even more voice lines if a player is hit by 3 seperate teams

[tough basalt]

Fix the FSR implementation please? (It looks worse than xess somehow)

[pine whale]

Had two cheaters as teammates yesterday, one of them got banned instantly while the other kept telling me he will not get banned. Hope he gets banned that bastard was so annoying…..

[hearty hatch]

Fix melee. Thanks.

[cinder charm]

Day 11 of asking embark to bring back bank it

[queen harness]

We need less CL40.
Literally spam nades fest if your fighting med
Light can’t do anything if fighting cl40
Heavy is too slow to avoid any cl40 shots.
It’s so unbelievably unfun

[frigid horizon]

Yo devs
Please s t o p buffing the APS turret
You're making powershift unplayable.

[daring sparrow]

PLEAVE FIX THESE GOD AWFUL SPAWNS

[signal flame]

add skill-based matchmaking cuz I either get people who just started or people who have played this gfame since day 1

[wooden atlas]

This 👆

[glass fjord]

Third party meta sucks

[cobalt silo]

Cl40 is way over performing, needs another nerf

[feral ferry]

Guys use the APS to counter CL40. IT'S not that difficult

[modest drift]

This

[dry wraith]

I think it would be fairer if there was no penalty for leaving a game if you are the last person standing on your team or if a teammate disconnects before any vaults have been opened.

[pseudo latch]

FLAMETHROWER REWORK SUGGESTION
Flamethrower has been vastly underperforming for seasons, and considering the weapon is almost identical to the weapon it was back in OB, it’s about time for it to recieve some major changes.

• Increase its range back to 10 meters: Same range as open beta, its pretty much the only thing it hasnt gotten back.
• Increase overall DPS by 10: This will still leave it doing much less damage than most weapons, but at least it will be killing a medium faster than 3 seconds.
• Rework the "ADS" into an Alternate fire:
  - Alt Fire launches a fireball projectile that detonates on impact. Does 70 on a direct hit, trickles off to 30 damage at minimum range. AoE of 3 meters. Costs 5 Ammo to fire, RoF of about 90 RPM. Projectile is about as heavy as current Anti Grav Cube (no "sniping" people with fireballs)
  This would give Flamer a bit more utility and viability at range, without completely invalidating its primary fire.

SPEAR REWORK SUGGESTION
Spear as it stands just isnt working. The spin is a fun idea but its too high commitment, and far too easily punished or whiffed. It’s a fun idea but it needs to go.

• Alt fire is replaced by a spear throw:
  -upon alt fire, Heavy "charges" a spear throw (similar to how TK alt fire works) allowing them to throw a 100 damage spear projectile, with the same weight and speed of a CL40 grenade.
  This gives spear some utility no other melee can claim, allowing heavy to follow up kills that would otherwise get away from him. Though the DPS would obviously be rather low to punish spamming.

KS-23 REWORK SUGGESTION
The KS23 has been in a sore spot since its addition, what little times its stood in the spotlight very swiftly nerfed out of existence, and in the state its in, its been very cruelly power crept out in lieu of other, more reliable close range options like the SA12 and the minigun. More than anything its main gimmick of being an accuracy weapon that isnt perfectly accurate has lead to it having significant issues, and i think more than anything, that needs to go.

• Primary fire has been changed from a single projectile to a ten pellet spread. Triangular "ten pin bowling" arrangement.
• Each pellet does 10 damage each, and 100 structural each. (maybe 11-12 each but i know we want to avoid QM "kill combos, though my opinion on that is we should just let lights die fast)
• Reload now uses the "double shell" animation regardless of if the weapon has been emptied or not: speeds up general reload time when weapon isnt emptied
  This change would give the weapon more reliable consistency in combat without sacrificing its main gimmick of destruction.

Oh and like, just make the MGL grenades explode on player contact. Like cmon, TF2 figured this shit out 17 years ago.

[graceful flame]

we should be able to go into a private match by ourselves to see around the map or get cinematic shots in spectator or a replay mode of the matches you've played

[limber bluff]

rework winch claw so weapons that rely on point blank range can be strong on their own

[remote loom]

Please let us go into a private match by ourselves then add camera mode, your maps are too beautiful

[unkempt bridge]

Add an option request to join someone instead of only invite
Option to turn off auto mantle and set it to a bind like jump or something
Fix your heccin ping system im tired of trying to ping a mine or something and it pings an enemy i cant even see 70m behind me
And pretty pretty please let me backstab turrets again

[granite kettle]

please add a "your welcome" voice line to go with the "thank you" - thank you kindly from Canada

[brisk tangle]

As always, you know how to cook on the suggestions, well put.

[gloomy cradle]

CL-40 is definitely a skill-check weapon. So many gadgets and specializations counter it and literally just taking height hard counters it lmao

Edit: It’s also mediocre against Medium and useless against Heavy. I literally only pick it as an easy way to punish over aggressive Lights

[simple glen]

With aps buff and all the healing stuff added this season, I think we should get our extra grenade back. And give me back my 4 bullets on the akm, no one asked for that. Was unnecessary.

[rose forge]

ur smoking DOPE. flamethrower is already op as it is 😭

[lofty plinth]

Can I get a duck? Just for me. A silly little duck. Thank you. Day 1.

[main lava]

bring back sword, thanks

[slow void]

Need to be able to Cook nades ! And another balance pass on many things can be done

[inland maple]

pls remove light from low ranks so my mates could be better (still probably monkeys)

[tranquil mantle]

Buff v9s fire rate or damage bc it just isn’t viable

[grand stratus]

why exactly do you get minus ELO even if you reconnect in time and it did not influence the match at all?

[tame vessel]

Here is a list of weapons that need to be buffed but not make them meta in the next balance patch

Spear: increase the basic attack damage combo to 70, 80, 95 and increase the spin attack damage to either 120 or 130

KS-23: increase the projectile speed to 500m/s and decrease the fire rate to 73 RPM and increase the player damage to 120

Riot shield: increase the swing speed by a little and increase the movement speed when blocking

R.357:Increase the bodyshot damage to 75 and decrease the headshot multiplier to 1.9 therefore making it 75 × 1.9=142.5 and also decrease the fire rate by a little bit maybe from 140 to 130 or just increase the fire rate to 160 RPM

Dual blades: add a parry mechanic so it can parry secondary attacks of all melee weapons like the sledgehammers overhead charge and it can also parry the primary attacks and increase the first swing damage from 50 to 55, increase the second swing damage from 60 to 65 and increase the final attack damage from 65 to 75 and make it so the final attack can be done faster and increase the movement speed when deflecting by just a little bit

AKM: increase magazine capacity to 34, 35 or 36, the choice is yours on what number you choose

ARN-220: decrease the duration of the tactical reload animation from 2.45s to 2.30s, decrease the duration of the full reload animation from 2.80s to 2.60s

Data Reshaper: increase the charges from 2 to 3 and decrease the cooldown from 26s to 20s

please, please Embark these weapons and gadget need some love
Hopefully someone at Embark sees this, these emojis will highlight the message so you can see them 🥇:🤠🤯😵:⚽️:grinning:😆🙃😇🫠

[plush fjord]

CL40 aint OP, its just overpicked cuz most other weapons have been nerfed, are unreliable or un-fun to play with.

Also lights are infesting quick cash lobbies and cl40 is the best solution for that lol

[coral seal]

please embark finally fix the sight bug, every second time i respawn and need to fight my characters aiming through the iron sight even tho theres a fucking scope on the weapon, its costing me whole games at this point, it happen at least every second time i respawn/ get reved. it happens on all weapons but most on the lh1

[feral apex]

No more cl40 it ruins the game

[ornate sage]

Day 2 of asking glorious embark for more outifit slots please, thank you.

[neat yoke]

can shak 50 get the looking glass aligned back?

[gritty grotto]

game looks awesome and I get it its supposed to be an FPS (optimized) but I REAAAALLLY want better visuals. The reflections throw me off, they aint accurate at all, and theres no DLSS Ray Reconstruction (aka. AI denoising) and turning on DLSS doesnt change performance, only changes GPU utilization from 99/100% to something like 60 - 70%. NO frames per sec gains. Some kind of bottleneck is there, I cant tell what kind. CPU is pretty good and theres enough RAM and VRAM and still no difference, to the point where I started using DLSS merely to save some pennies on the electricity bill

[royal fractal]

I feel like the range of the dagger got nerfed.
i have to be right inside the target to get a hit registered.

[broken crest]

Dear EMBARK TEAM
Dear EMBARK TEAM I have one thing to say about your patchotes we real the last patchotes are right against Mele Weapons properly shit I see no one wants the weapons that the weapons are generated as Z. Dagger or Hammer and Sword (except Appoh) But they do it anyway they only lose your players because that annoys. That's why I ask you to BUFF the weapons again especially hammer and sword in the next UPDATE thank you

[surreal meadow]

5v5

[jade blaze]

Day 2 of asking to bring back Bank it because this game mode is funnier than any other mode

[tacit whale]

How are you guys gonna have an esports tournament for the finals with hit reg this bad?

[outer niche]

give sword the 140 lunge dmg back

[storm veldt]

Don't nerf anything, instead buff stuff, like melee

[analog glacier]

NERF CL40!

[smoky pagoda]

Pyro mines are being extinguished after I activate my c4 and it destroys nearby buildings. The dust produce from the destruction should NOT extinguish pyro and only the smoke should be able to do so

[waxen olive]

bring the sword dmg back to 140 but nerf the multihit. the dmg was never the problem, it was op because within 2 lunges u could team wipe a triple medium stack. however without multihit, then it would be really bad. The best option is to subtract the dmg of each hit within 1 lunge. i.e. 140 -> 95 -> 60

[wispy ivy]

the two new healing gadgets are comically undercooked

the healing emitter needs to stay on cooldown until it is destroyed (adding the option to pick it back up to refresh the cooldown instantly, similar to the turret)
the infuser needs to have a reload mechanic (similar to the tracking dart) and a longer time to regain each bullet, as well as a nerf to the healing of each bullet (15 per bullet, 300 health per mag)
i'd also suggest preventing healing from stacking, the "lowest" tier gets ignored or reduced (beam overrides emitter, infuser overrides beam)

defib is also just awful in every way, annoying to fight and annoying to have used on you, i'd suggest replacing the hologram with the nullified effect for 3 seconds to give you a chance to reposition after an inevitable awful res

and obviously just buff melee, great job at making them viable by nerfing every usable melee weapon and refusing to buff the bad ones in any meaningful way

[crisp parrot]

Do NOT nerf CL40!

[grave pivot]

I have a suggestion for a limited-time game mode.

Throwables Throwdown (the name is WIP):
No weapons, no gadgets. Only your fists and whatever you can hit or throw with them. You get quick melee and whatever arena props you can find; whether it be explosive canisters, potted plants, or the chair.
First to $3500 cash wins
One specific class only to have even throw power.
Custom small map with either a lot of props or chutes more come out of.

[versed gull]

Buff dagger, buff sword. These are fun weapons ruined by poor balancing and an unhealthy game state.

(Current sword can NOT out-damage the h1 infuser + chuck heal meta)

[tawdry tree]

Would be cool to have a repulsive grenade. Like, you throw it like a nade, and when it explose, it push people a few meters away. Could be cool for all classes. Might be a fun mecanic, don't know

[hardy bison]

Buff CL40 its too weak and everyone knows it, this whole channel has been recently dedicated to wanting it stronger. I always see comments on how it needs a buff and needs to be more brain de-... nvm Buff CL40.

[tender sail]

It'd be really sick if you could hire a single competent dev for your staff. Not a single feature works consistently in this entire dogshit game and you spawn in predictable locations that allow you to get shot from spawn.

Actually a great idea for the game, but you've got a bunch of dipshits "implementing" it

[hazy vessel]

Nerf cl40

[rotund gust]

we should get a hands animation that interacts with any pet equipped

[drifting topaz]

NERF CL40

[proud gate]

I have upwards of 150 hours on light class and I would fix the niche weapons like this:
Dagger; A powerful weapon im the right hands. Reduce the lunge and increase the actual range. This would reduce the amount of times you would miss when you should, in theory hit it every time. Additionally, making the ready to stab 'position' more noticeable; at the moment the one indicator is a slight snap into place of the arms and just being able to tell the timing im your head. Making the character drop their elbow, turn their hand into a fist, or adding a glint to the blade when ready, would fix the timing issue.
Sword; a fast paced slash n' dash weapon.
The sword is easily in its worst state ever. The damage needs were unnecessarily heavy. In my eyes the sword is a bottom 3 weapon in the game. Revert the damage or at least bring it up to 120 on the lunge. This would bring the sword back into the niche meta.
Bow: skill shot simulator.
It's in a good place at the moment but I literally hate this weapon solely due to thebfact that it blocks 50% of the screen, just make the character aim it sideways so the blocked screen is primarily on the bottom instead of the side.
Throwing knives: big damage bois.
They do a lot of damage, but that's okay. They are really balanced in my opinion.
General: make them do more structural damage. I find this to be important when breaking vents or pipes on rooftops, hardened steel should break the pipes faster than an elbow, that's all saying.
Anyways luv u devs

[halcyon patio]

Literally nothing out damages the heal meta

[bold ocean]

I understand that AI bots and what not need training, but can Embark stop putting them in actual matches. That or if the people I've been getting matched up with ARE real Embark needs to do them a favor and ban them from playing. Either way, solo que matchmaking is still HORRIBLE.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[mild ruin]

season 7 game started crash, and on last round in WT... and anti-cheat loading took like 2 min

[topaz token]

I would love slight rework of the quick melee. There are so many times where it feels like it should hit and it just doesn’t. It would feel so much better if it were more consistent and forgiving. I think a larger, wider hit box would fix how it feels. As is, it just feels worse than other FPS games like Halo or CoD, and it’s very frustrating at times.

[wintry glacier]

please fix the ranked matchmaking, i just was in a game with 2 "new" players and we went up against a top500 ruby 3 stack. Keep in mind this was an "intermediate" rated game. Decompress matchmaking plats should not have to deal with 3 stack seal clubbers. Its incredibly frustrating.

[radiant reef]

Yes please, add this Embark.

[odd snow]

Maybe ks-23 would be viable if it could actually destroy goo quickly lmaooo like how can its 1000 env damage not be applied to goo.

[worthy totem]

when are we planning to do something with sword. 4 months where i cant enjoy the game. and this season has to be the shittiest cuz everyone is using the same damn shit. every single game

[quasi apex]

we should be able to download language packs as this games commentators are AI, so there should be one for most lanugages right?

[untold hazel]

well no bc the ai voices is voiced by real people put through a generator boom easy voice lines there has to be other languages for different ai voice lines not sure tho

[limpid forge]

For the shell surf animation on the double barrel, the shell color changes based on the skin equipped. I like to run the virtual extension skins whenever I can, but the shell color turns grey and it feels weird.

[atomic basin]

funniest thing ive seen in a while

[light oasis]

NERF CL40 takes no skill

[zinc oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-the-finals-skill-issue-gif-9109889277599560089

[sudden trout]

Either nerf cl40, or do the sensible thing and start implementing a buffing culture instead of nerfing everything into pea shooters

[sly sphinx]

We need goo mines asap, they create the same blobs of goo that you get when detonating a goo barrel in the air. Literally so genius

[jagged vapor]

its cuz ur card dosent have enough mhz then probably and dlss is just upscaling and response time lowering so it would just save resource by scaling it up to load less onto the card not increase fps

[craggy otter]

daily reply.

[bleak jungle]

Make solo queue a thing for gods sake

[north sinew]

fix fucking respawns, every cashout im getting fucking 3rd party

[nova mica]

https://tenor.com/view/roleist-yellow-role-piss-role-stupid-gif-15128108691403199674

[proven crown]

CL-40 is CANCER. Delete this nooby no-skill trash

[paper meadow]

buff cl40

[sonic arrow]

The new weapon system has cleared up old issues but introduced new ones like hitreg issues, please fix it

[wicked ocean]

ARN gets a tiny HS multiplier buff to make it slightly faster HS ttk than m11 but slower for bodyshot. box battle bots need to have their difficulty turned down a bit. DELETE cl40 and kyoto. =perfect game.

[foggy nymph]

Use the counters or just play better.

[grave fox]

Add them back cowards

[swift pivot]

pls NERF CL-40

[neat raven]

nerf CL-40 or else

[livid pivot]

And the mother of all glitches is where we had 6 and 1/2k. The box was 18K the last one and we should have totaled to 24 and 1/2 but then we totaled to 19 and we didn't qualify like why? What is this? This is not the first time this happened. This is atrocious unacceptable

[orchid fossil]

Men nerfa CL 40. 0 Skill och dom är fan överallt.

[astral bough]

remove or nerf cl40 absolutly no skill

[white spade]

Helt enig 👍

[tidal storm]

Nerfing the CL 40 I think would be pointless, we'd just be going back to nerfing everything again. That weapon makes me so mad but I want buffs, make things compete against it. Gives the APS turret more purpose.

[slow fog]

I thank god every day people in this channel don't balance anything. CL40 having one of the highest TTKs for medium but they're dying to it because they're awful at the game. If only we had counter play to grenade launchers like APS turrets sheilds dashes high ground. What a shame that doesn't exist. My main feedback is to ranklock this channel bronze players don't deserve an opinion at least not here. Let them seethe on the reddit instead

[thorn basalt]

Fr, maybe not rank locking since even if the game has ranked, most people dont want to play ranked and play casually, they get to have a word on balance, even if it is a dumb word
Now throwing knives on the other hand really need some kind of thing to hold them back, and i hope im not alone on thinking that

[worldly scaffold]

To above, throwing knives, and bow need a reload, just like any other ranged weapon. Tweak them if have to, but add reload to them.

[novel trench]

Throwing Knife could use a reload to tone it down 💯

Glad there’s something remotely sensible here.

[naive pier]

My game froze today more than 5 times during ranked

More than 20-30 seconds

Plz fix the servers and only allow post here once per week I don’t complain alot but when servers freeze for 1 min its creazy and i end up dead

[wise rain]

we should also make dash have one charge

[strong vessel]

Bank it? Bank it.

[sterile forum]

ranked matchmaking is abysmal.

Remove the seed system and add some measure of individual performance. solo-ing ranked is almost impossible even with comms.

Players who do well need to be elevated and players who do poorly need to be kept at an appropriate elo

low level teammates who barely know how to do anything and contribute nothing shouldnt mean the person carrying them loses 1.5k rs. same goes for someone who is getting carried. You should get less rs and progress slower. high skill ranks up, lower skill ranks down or stays where theyre at, like every other ranked system

[grand garden]

the only feedback I can really give rn is that the game is most fun at close range on most weapons; stop extending the range of every class and weapon, as itll eventually become a poke fest at this rate and the meta will devolve into who can shoot the other guy from far away better
(this is mainly directed towards pike n repeater, slightly towards lh1 and deags but those arent as good at close range so they have at least that as a drawback)

[pastel nebula]

Could we add anticheat to the game? That would be nice

[ashen grotto]

I think this is feedback enough actually
the only place where this should be possible is my nightmares

[errant crater]

NEF CL40 AND MGL

IT COUNTERS THE HEALING/CAMP META

IT TAKES NO SKILL TO BRAINLESSLY SHOOT AT THE FLOOR AND WIN

NERF HEALING META TOO

[obtuse garden]

Any type of glitch gadgets can counter that

[hollow barn]

All lights use only dash. Make some change to encourage the use of clocking and grapple pls. One spec being meta is so boring.

[autumn wagon]

moving paltforms on kyoto and seoul need a rework. cashouts shouldn't move throughout the entire map. its also just annoying to play against in the final round when the other team is using pike, famas, or sr-84

[plucky vessel]

Buff APS turret. Asking for nerfs is pointless because then everything would be weak and ttk would be slow. Buff things that counter GLs so they're not a nightmare

[iron berry]

nerf cl40

[dark niche]

buff reshaper!! more range & a third charge i think would be nice

[versed dagger]

goo mines

[hexed summit]

has anyone elce had the weird bug where the shak 50 gun model can still be seen off to the side while your being revived by a defib

[frank holly]

It already feels pretty restricting using gadgets on Medium with jump or defib basically being mandatory, people don't want to have to run APS *just * to counter the cl40.

Even if the cl40 was 'balanced' it's just f*cking annoying to go against

[tropic drift]

buff hammer plz

[turbid mortar]

Extremely minor thing, but please make it so the legacy battlepass automatically goes to my newest unlocked page. It's a bit annoying having to scroll through all of the pages I already bought out every time I open it

[tidal monolith]

back for my monthly complaint about the egregious amount of cheaters in the game. all 3 of my TDM matches played today were against a lvl 73 cheater. i guess im the only one who wants to enjoy playing the game bc theres no way anybody else is actually reporting these dudes. I mean its so obvious when your headshot hitbox gets locked onto by the akm all the way across the map and not a single shot is missed 😔 Embark PLS we can live without a store update for 1 week just send out a massive ban wave to make the game playable (granted they probably refuse to bc theyll lose 50% of their playerbase)

[analog glacier]

NERF FUCKING CL40!

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground. Don't nerf cl40.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed,they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[pale sapphire]

Cl needs to go, also the glitch where you can’t sprint is insane. It’s been there for so long

[abstract patio]

Embark, can you please add Peggle? Thank you

[simple ether]

FIX YOUR BROKEN GAME! Idk how many times a day I get this constant relaod glitch where my gun reloads after everything I do, or it doesnt reload at all. Or better yet, I change my gun only for the game to give me a different gun than I picked. Ffs, you are on season 7!!! This shouldnt be happening 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[sweet geode]

IDK WHY theres a glitch where i cant see people i've invited in my lobby/ they cant invite me AND cant start the game as theres an ERROR.

[supple dawn]

Give us ability to queue WT and ranked at the same time pls

[craggy basin]

Add more knockback to the game add it to quick melee, riot shield as a shield bash, some to sledgehammer and to explosions or even add a repulsion gadget/ specialization but do not do to much knockback and make sure it is balanced

[idle hedge]

So i had an idea. Why not just have the practice range be the lobby so players can run around and practice between matches and with friends, and just add another podium to be able to que up for a match.

[toxic sedge]

Add more knockback to the game add it to quick melee, riot shield as a shield bash, some to sledgehammer and to explosions or even add a repulsion gadget/ specialization but do not do to much knockback and make sure it is balanced

BUFF MELEE & non-hitscan weapons!
🔫
OR ELSE

Also, Nerf CL-40’s damage radius, while also increasing its direct hit damage, to make it more punishing for those with more skill. If not, it’s fine rn and people don’t know how to jump(easy counter) strafe, use movement/defensive(dome shield, goo) our just out-DPS the fucking cl-40.

[nova osprey]

Ya, asking for an MGL nerf is just showing how bad you are at this game

[haughty totem]

nerf cl40 nerf DB

[sharp violet]

I still don’t have the new dlc in my store kinda weird

[signal shoal]

why didnt we get one of these in season 3? sincerely, the whole community

[iron jetty]

please for the love pf god add mac support soon im gong to cry

[ember linden]

i first played this game when it came out, but i had potato pc so i couldnt play. now i got new pc this my favorite game by far i love this

[stray hemlock]

real

[hot slate]

switch out heavy grapple for a force pull type shit, possibly with 2 uses

[sudden lake]

18 straight months of not adding a secondary use for VRs after hitting the max with nothing left to unlock 🔥
Embark please I'm begging you I'm on my knees just let us buy Show Tokens with VRs. Or would trading currencies just make too much sense?

[buoyant thicket]

agree

[hazy vessel]

Nerf cl40

[minor notch]

on god i need my straw hat

[grizzled sorrel]

we desperately need a LvL cap to play Ranked / World Tour. it is tiring to get beginner teammates when we're trying to Rank up.

[chilly hazel]

Pls find ways to increase sts like daily for a lot more or getting more per match cause 1 per game means Like 366 or more games per pass

[viscid drum]

Man, I'm just gonna say it, THE FINALS has become victim to one of FPS' oldest illnesses:
META

Season 1, we didn't care about K/D ratios or optimized loadouts or even fucking winning, it was the fucking experience.

I can't play quick cash without some 12 year old sweating on me! I just want to play THE FINALS for the unique capture the point and destruction. Where did the charm go? Seriously? When was the last time you died and didn't feel frustrated and think it was unfair? Having a bad K/D now gets you called "dead weight" in a casual gamemode. It's tiring! Let me play my game in peace!

[ashen bloom]

I haven’t played on Kyoto for a week and I’m very happy. Keep it up guys 👍!

[astral bough]

nerf cl40 in someway, such as a decrease in splash damage damage, making it a more skill based gunb

[uncut hedge]

nerf light

[drifting topaz]

NERF CL40 ASAP

[sage scroll]

Could we have anthropomorphic cosmetics in the game

[zinc palm]

add fursuit

[tepid summit]

what happened to this game in the last few days, performance is dieing for multiple friends of mine including myself, we all are stuttering so hard that its actually unplayable, please revert

[twin helm]

3 light team more op then cl-40

[outer niche]

REVERT SWORD NERF IM TILTED AF BECAUSE ITS SO TRASH

[proud mica]

It’s true

[ruby dew]

Buff Sword back to 140.... and stop fucking with Mele users. thank you!
#SaveMele

[unreal kindle]

they gotta add a level cap per rank in the Ranked Tournament so that beginners or people that dont know the mechanics of the game properly not, need to level up and become better to be able to compete in higher ranks than being carried to the top ranks

[rustic tusk]

Honestly, I've gotten used to the Knifes nerfed backstab, but is there any chance you can make it swing a bit faster. Should be faster than the sword at least

[topaz jetty]

Servers feel like they're still having issues. Matches today have had half their servers working, the others my teammates and I's shots are not registering half the time. We didn't even have the red circle of death

[near spruce]

more natural responses and conversation between the announcers - like sports broadcasting

[brisk tangle]

Bought Legacy pass of season 2 and i'm feeling that the acquisition of STs is rather low and sometimes i don't even get any as im playing long matches in QC, it would be great if it was easier to acquire so it isn't a really long grind but not too many as to avoid making the completion of Legacy passes way too easy, this is due to how expensive the bigger rewards tend to be for STs(12-15 STs).

One thing could be that Circuit/Daily Club Contracts could give STs to people who have bought a Legacy pass just to aliviate the grind and make finishing the contracts more appealing than they already are, specially for the daily ones that could boost people getting into clubs and grabbing the 2 daily club contracts.

[hearty hatch]

Don't adjust CL-40 dmg. Instead, increase damage done to SELFwhen firing.

Also, fix melee.

[worn oracle]

option to resign the game by players votes. how many times I solo que and find myself with only one, or the other one is AFK so you force us to play a losing game not only points but time too, and if we leave we get timeout, so by vote the 2 players can agree to leave the game

[celest egret]

Fix wheel-equipped gestures/emotes/sounds. There's no unequip, how devastating

[zinc oasis]

Congratulations I have never seen such bad takes before, please go back to COD and never cook again

Edit: yes I am using my 4 hour wait just to let you know

[crude current]

Let us see each other spinning in the lobbies please

[robust cradle]

I love this game and have tons of fun 🙂
Just add the ability to pass the group leader in the lobby please ❤️

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground. Don't nerf cl40.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed,they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[visual bramble]

nerf the cl40 it's unskillful and unfun (i'm mad)

[versed gull]

Make dagger competitively viable please. Stop butchering the movement and damage and melee weapons.

[lost patrol]

Hi, this isn't game feedback per se, but I think you guys need to do a better job at tuning the AI voices in the community highlights. Back in S1 and S2, it was hard to tell that the voices were AI because they were well tuned. Now, the voices are so obviously AI, it feels like no effort has been put in. All the intonation is wrong and Scotty and June feel like they don't really care about the community highlights. 😐.

Please ask whoever does these videos to put more effort into tuning as while the stigma around AI tools will always persist (rightfully so) regardless of quality, the poor quality of the voices in promotional material makes it worse.

Edit: AI is a tool, and like any tool has to be used correctly for good results. You won't catch me hitting a nail with a flathead screwdriver, but you also won't see me missing every other swing with a hammer.

Edit 2: No, they're not supposed to be AI-ish. Scotty is confirmed to be a real person iirc, and just go back and listen to the voices from OB, S1 and S2. Night and day difference

[dark niche]

-uhhh hello?? the flamethrower & mgl are the two worst weapons in the game..making them gadgets would be terrible for a number of reasons
-minigun has the longest reload in the game, and its honestly not even that crazy at decent range
-there is an unlock feature..? wdym
-we already have weapon sights, but i think it might be interesting to see other attachments? definitely not necessary though
-heavies are not that difficult to kill..focus fire on them for, like, 5 seconds with any weapon and they die
if theyre using emitter/dome, you can use a glitch grenade/canister. also ttk is meant to be high i dont see the issue really
-the finals is unique and thats..bad? thats what i took from that
i will say i think for new players there should be some form of matchmaking in casual games maybe? just so they dont go up against people with, like, a thousand plus hours on the game

[slender girder]

But aren't they supposed to be very AI'ish since the game is virtual reality? They ARE AI those two, aren't they?

[spice sparrow]

Can you guys make a better indicator of when a backstab is fully charged with the knife? (ie a small flash or louder audio cue)

During combat it's really easy to miss the exact cue of the knife being charged, (especially with explosions and gunfire) and has led to alot of missed hits and deaths.

[shell depot]

Nerf the cl-40, I just can't be impactful half the time in ranked games as a light because mediums can just click the floor 3 times and do damage in a massive radius..... killing me almost instantly.... again and again and again and again and again!!!!!!

[odd prism]

All game modes ranked when?

Seems better than just cashout

[runic gorge]

Im a fanboy of the IWI Tavor, any chance of adding it to the game?
(that does NOT mean i support israel in the current news)

[lapis harness]

The arn is trash gets out gunned by everything

[astral timber]

sarcasm

[hollow plinth]

after a match ends on PC the game is too hard to exit. you gotta go through all the tedious menus before being able to exit properly. I always end up alt+f4ing

[icy shuttle]

Defib shouldnt give invincibility ngl

[novel trench]

Get out of the kitchen bro

[versed vault]

embark so dumb

[tropic snow]

🫃

[stray mist]

😔

[leaden shell]

WHY IS 90% OF MY GAMES NOTHING BUT LIGHTS? doesnt this tell u something embark???u need to tone the class down it is the worst experience casually facing 4-6 lights nonstop every single fkn game dude im actually about to uninstall this bs

[hoary swan]

Ruby players should have the choice of choosing what gadget/spec they want to have the ruby texture on it. Because it is complete BS that in season 5 it was ruby tracking dart (Who tf uses tracking dart) and ruby barricade in season 6 (which is alright) but if someone wants a ruby goo gun, or grenade or whatever they should have the ability to because they earned it.

[vale acorn]

I would like to see a mode akin to online raids in Rust, two bases for two teams, maybe three teams of 3 or 5 players having to grab coins and deposit back at their respective bases- maybe there could be a sort of attrition loss for every death, you losing your equipment and the others gaining it if they take back your gear to the base and forcing you to use a different load out until you get it back or it could be on a cooldown, after a set a mount of time whomever has the most coins wins, also team vaults could be ransacked for coins

[thorny lynx]

Fingers crossed we see a more balanced CL-40 in todays patch. Lets get some skill with aiming back in this FPS instead of goofy splash dmg. #bringback1.6dmgselfmult

[dusty spire]

BRING BACK the CERB and Model. The Cerb was the last thing that held back this CL flood nonsense.

[potent solar]

the pike lh1 repeater cl40 basically one shot you if you are a light. especially bad with cheaters

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground. Don't nerf cl40.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed,they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[candid fog]

CL-40 is a joke, no skill

[hardy bison]

He's right, don't nerf the CL40, buff it instead. Why would you try to save your dying game when your about to release a newer title. Kill this one and transfer the player base to the other.

[thick cliff]

Already uninstalled it on console its been 1 week hoping just for that cl40 be nerfed people can’t enjoy while no skill players spamming cl40 in high lobbies ranked
The thing is if they nerf it they need to balance lot of weapons something feels off on this game this season

[daring fossil]

average The Finals experience

[neat raven]

there is no "balanced" game with the CL-40 because of it having no real disadvantages but shredds Light and Medium like Pitbuls in a Kindergarden

[open prism]

Who else is continuing to get kicked out from games for having "modified game files"?

Rejoining the match after verifying the game files still results in a temporary matchmaking ban for "abandoning" the game. SAD!!

[tidal monolith]

real

[kindred zodiac]

so no medium noob tube nerf in this weeks update?

[visual bramble]

No way this game is gonna have a $100k esports event and the cl40 is the dominating weapon

[devout dragon]

wont be playing the game whilst wall hacks are a feature

[autumn hearth]

Dont get mi wrong I love this game, but are there really no balance changes for 3 weeks in a new season? What a joke

[glad obsidian]

I think it's dominating because a lot of people plays light, and it's the best weapon if you don't have a perfect aim to one-tap them with revolver
I always feel like everything is balanced around everything, there's always a counterplay
good luck winning a game against 3 H with the cl40

[unkempt verge]

Can we get a dedicated keybind for threat/target ping instead of having to double tap? fairly unreliable and often end up doing wrong ping.

[livid pivot]

You can't stop macroscripts okay but you can't stop inbox and wall hacks and this thing that shows the system that you're using a controller but you're actually using an awesome keyboard I mean come on it's still exists and still working

And this triple grenade washer thing

And keep on extending strangers that winch cologne at some point it's going to catch me from the other end of the app like what the hell was that increasing it so much you can be real you can't do this

One of my other love pet peeves is when you spawn a hundred meters away from your teammates for no obvious reason not know whatsoever like why did I even coin what's the point of the coin if I'm going to coin 100 m away and I'm going to be absolutely useless to myself and to my team like where am I going to go just on a stroll or encounter another random team on their way to the next box or like what's the idea behind it why are you wasting my life why am I wasting my life

[somber dew]

Embark W move for adding alot more colored hairs, but you forgot the beards!!

[wind meteor]

Yesterday, I died twice to a corpse chasing me lying on the ground. Didn't know where to shoot it, lol.

[languid niche]

PLEASE add a resolution slider on console. This generally helps with FPS and general performance. Thanks!

[cursive shore]

You should add a channel where you can submit ideas for cosmetics and other recommendations for drip

[north dew]

Please add different gains and losses to ranked depending on personal performance. Some people are getting way higher than they deserve to be purely due to "automatic" damage such as GL and turret, and pure luck

[trail terrace]

STUPIDEST EVENT YET, CANT EVEN SEE ANYTHING WITH AA OFF

[south venture]

Death Stranding lore

[sudden trout]

It does the same with heavy as well. I've suggested a few ways to balance this historically, but I think cl40 should have a number of both the nerds and buffs done to it to balance it, since I don't want a purely nerf based culture to continue.

For nerfs:

• Reduce damage to 70. Makes it less oppressive regarding hits needed. Alternatively, reduce the damage to 80 instead but require the cl40 user to directly hit their target. The arc of the shots (which frankly is nonexistent having played it myself) adds a level of skill required for the shots to actually land

• Alternatively again, should Embark wish to keep the 100 damage, irregardless of the accuracy needed changing, I would reduce the ammo down to 4 again. I personally believe this is a worse alternative however, since it makes the weapon less accessible for lower skill levels, and as the game is about counterplay, I want the weapon to be accessible to a certain extent at all skill levels, and I think there should be some noob friendly off metas for that sense of counterplay. That may be a hot take but idk

• Another idea could be to increase the AoE of self damage for less close range efficiency

Buff idea to counterbalance:

As mentioned, I don't wanna nerf this weapon into the ground, since the game should not adhere to a strict meta of ARs, etc.

• If the damage is nerfed to 70, I would either give the weapon 1 extra ammo, taking it up to 6 shots to allow for some forgiveness in missing a shot, increase the reload time, or increase the rof, or a combination of the three depending on what nerfs had been implemented. This would, instead of making it a low damaging unviable mess like the melees, keep it viable while making it less oppressive. These should be tweaks, not nukes.

I imagine some of these are hot takes, and none of them are perfect. My ideas about how to balance the gun change over time, but I'd like to think this is a decent basis whereby one can balance this currently frustrating weapon.

[slender girder]

Can't you drop the update infos 30 min before the update instead of 10 minutes AFTER it's live?

[restive estuary]

After disabling anonymous mode, it remains anonymous and cannot be reset

[cedar haven]

Good game, I enjoy it. Thanks guys

[silent musk]

double barrel ewww

[proven crown]

Really disappointing that nothing could be done about the CL40 this week. Instead we get another light nerf with Vaiya vision...

Also, Vaiya vision surely just makes the third party issue worse? 🤣 It's just objectively easier to third party against the one team who has to deal with two. My team will definitely be third partying MORE because we have more knowledge on the two teams already fighting?

Why is Carnifex not in the creator program? He's in the top 2 streamers and makes really good YouTube content as well. I've probably learned more from him than anyone

[hollow plinth]

ty

[jaunty tulip]

buff sword back to 140 and nurf cl40, pike and buff xp-54

[tired escarp]

I love how people are complaining about CL-40 without thinking of counterplay, CL is not the problem the real problem is Embark nerfing everything to the ground.
CL was not use before because people got other weapon that was stronger (model pre nerf/ cerb...), now we need every weapon to not combo with quick melee (sledge nerf was not necessary you just need to nerf claw with an animation startup).
Imagine if every medium/heavy use flamethrower and CL everyone will want to nerf those weapon not because they are strong just because they are overused

[pulsar jay]

nerf the h+ infuser already, you could cut its numbers in half and it'd still be better than healbeam

[craggy otter]

daily reply for my ideas.

[storm inlet]

no balancing for 2 weeks is really really weird

[sterile canopy]

It’s only in world tour. Play ranked if you want a less “wacky” experience.

[pulsar pivot]

H infuser is fun but broke lol and this world tour undate has got to be the worst so far 😂

[tame vessel]

Here is a list of weapons that need to be buffed but not make them meta in the next balance patch

Spear: increase the basic attack damage combo to 70, 80, 95 and increase the spin attack damage to either 120 or 130

KS-23: increase the projectile speed to 500m/s and decrease the fire rate to 73 RPM and increase the player damage to 120

Riot shield: increase the swing speed by a little and increase the movement speed when blocking

R.357:Increase the bodyshot damage to 75 and decrease the headshot multiplier to 1.9 therefore making it 75 × 1.9=142.5 and also decrease the fire rate by a little bit maybe from 140 to 130 or just increase the fire rate to 160 RPM

Dual blades: add a parry mechanic so it can parry secondary attacks of all melee weapons like the sledgehammers overhead charge and it can also parry the primary attacks and increase the first swing damage from 50 to 55, increase the second swing damage from 60 to 65 and increase the final attack damage from 65 to 75 and make it so the final attack can be done faster and increase the movement speed when deflecting by just a little bit

AKM: increase magazine capacity to 34, 35 or 36, the choice is yours on what number you choose

ARN-220: decrease the duration of the tactical reload animation from 2.45s to 2.30s, decrease the duration of the full reload animation from 2.80s to 2.60s

Data Reshaper: increase the charges from 2 to 3 and decrease the cooldown from 26s to 20s

please, please Embark these weapons and gadget need some love
Hopefully someone at Embark sees this, these emojis will highlight the message so you can see them 🥇:🤠🤯😵:⚽️:grinning:😆🙃😇🫠

[acoustic gust]

I've never done drugs before but If I do, I want to take whatever stuff you consumed before writing this

[echo panther]

i hate the state of the game atm healing ball and cl40 + healing beam its sucks

[paper meadow]

THIS is the thing. The Cerberus was exactly the same thing it was buffed up in s5 and then no body thought it was “op” until mid s6 as other strong options fell away. Now it’s literally weaker than it was at introduction when people thought it was useless and I STILL see people call it “op”.

I’ve even seen multiple people call the MGL overpowered, what? You’re absolutely right it’s a cultural problem, we need to see some serious buffs across the board this season.

[drifting topaz]

Most useless weekly update ever

[nova mica]

Skill issue. Game is in a great spot rn

[quartz viper]

when are you gonna fix the atrocious revolver hitreg? it has been a problem since season 1

[thick sorrel]

no balance patch, no more players

[hexed terrace]

It's not a skill issue, it's just boring to play rn. I did my best perf this season but i totally agree with @echo panther : the game is just boring

[fleet quail]

why does everytime i use the charge and slam as heavy while im in a fight it doesnt work i charge soo slowly way to slow i can barley move while doing it

[untold hazel]

you gotta exercise your heavy ur heavy is too fat rn exercise him by destroying alot of buildings

[fathom aurora]

Yes, Charge and slam is bugged and still not fixed since the biggining of the season, more important to update the store

[rain spindle]

So why when i use it its fine

[covert kite]

I get recon was broken when it came out but come on, seems pretty lazy to take it out of the game while still having sonar abilities, then releasing recon for everyone in the form of a wt event. Last season embark finally fixed the permanent sonar glitch that was pretty much giving the light class recon.I’m not sure why the light class is such a focus point but it’s really disappointing to see this game be balanced according to the little guys. As a medium support main, I’d rather play light with H+ and recon abilities since it’s so easy not to be seen or touched as light.

[crisp timber]

nurf or remove CL40

[versed fog]

Can we get more tails, like one that matches the horns in that $20 pack lol

[pseudo leaf]

Not balancing problematic stuff that comes with the new season fast will cost you players...
At least you guys know servers are really bad since the start of the season. No reg counts are insanely high because of those issues. (i am not talking about dagger no regs, normal bullet no regs that you see it is on point but just doesn't hit because of server problems)
Nice recolor mythic. I wonder if there is a discount for someone owns the other skin.

[dusty igloo]

let me hit through goo with melee again. Buff sledge, nerf winch, peoples issues were always with the winch, not the sledge.

[nocturne magnet]

Hi Average

[worn burrow]

i love the new pike skins from the bp sanctionframe and judicore override
but can we pls turn down the sound of the reload or take the pitch down that high pitch noise of the mag getting pulled in get really annoying after a few reloads
besides that 10/10 skin with the starwars ahh pew pew sound

[inland maple]

cl-40 bit op

[naive root]

Please add a roller derby style event in the future. Sprinting allows the player to skate. We race and fight to catch a moving cash box.

[tropic egret]

Why is melee even a thing on medium? both options are incredibly weak.. it needs a new specialization designed for melee

[sacred siren]

Now that healing is back in the meta, why not update pyro to also cut healing? Like anything in a 3m radius of pyro gets its healing cut by 50%. Finally gives a reason for people to run pyro grenades, and a little indirect buff to flamethrower cause its a little weak rn.

Even better, make it "splash" against shields, and have the fire stick to the shield while doing dmg to it. Mesh or dome aren't really must have anymore, but this offers a good bit if counterplay against shield spammers and finally gives you an option against riot shields up close.

[river heath]

assist count as kill - sick of johnny knoblicker swooping in for 3 damage and getting the cred for it

[frank holly]

Why can heavy self heal and medium cant? Heal beam should be able to right click to self heal

[zinc palm]

more tails more furry shit like that tanuki suit i promise this is a furry game you will make money billions must buy

[sudden lake]

Embark please let us trade VRs for Show Tokens please

[worldly pumice]

We need a map with map-wide teleports!! and more gameshow events please
cns maps were honestly the best choice for map-wide teleports thematically but maybe it can be a special world tour event for cns week 3 on all maps!

[outer niche]

real, revert the melee nerfs make it playable

[pure obsidian]

Receiving any negative effect will decrease the effectiveness for healing by half. EX: being on fire, gas, vortex, tracking dart duration, flashbang, glitch effect.

This would make healing way less effective at stealing but still effective for recovering quickly in a safe spot.

I also believe that medium healing beam should be consistent against other healing options make it cool down faster.

[quaint portal]

Melee is not viable currently and Embark is taking every step to make it even less viable with each balance patch. I thought this game was supposed to be different to other shooters, but it is slowly becoming a battlefield/COD clone with a few gimmick gadgets and abilities. Sad to see.
Embark, stop taking advice from sweaty, cringe streamers that only play with guns, and focus on the aspect that make you game unique and fun.
Stop nerfing playstyle and build variety for the sake of renegade COD players, THEY ARE NOT YOUR AUDIENCE.

shotgun oneshots light at close range
Embark: 😄
Any Melee weapon oneshots a light at close range
Embark: 😡

Gotta love this logic, balance team. /s

Anyways,

Hey, Embark, can we get more colors for the basic tank tops? Maybe Red or Blue? Ty! Love the game! (balance it properly, plz)

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground. Don't nerf cl40.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed,they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[hazy vessel]

Nerf cl40

[pliant lichen]

Genuinely what is this 'Flamethrower is weak' psyop..? I have never seen a playerbase so flip flop on what's good and what isn't. It's at the VERY LEAST B++ tier. This community is cooked, ngl. People saying Sledge isn't viable anymore are admitting MAJOR skill issue too.

Dev's need to fix the bad bugs like no shoot and sprint, then mega focus on marketing to bring in new players, screw WT and Ranked, straight up frustrating gamemodes that drive players away. Go nuts with QC, TDM and PS. That's how we make progress.

[sonic arrow]

gut cl40, buff all full auto weapons a little, buff all melees to a viable state, fix servers

[novel trench]

EMBARK 🔪
RELEASE THE SHAK-50 ANIMATIONS 🔫
AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[versed gull]

Do you regret adding melee weapons to your game? Looking at your patch notes Embark I'm starting to think you do

[serene flicker]

I’ve been playing since season one but now I’m fucking down with cl-40 players, I’m leaving the game until you nerf it it’s just unbeatable.

[restive trail]

NERF CL40

[proud agate]

Sticker still broken

[random lagoon]

I feel like people overreact a bit to CL40, like if you don’t hit shots it’s bad enough against a medium and practically useless against a heavy, plus it’s super easy to counter, just don’t run off on your own and stay with your team

[spiral cypress]

The SWORD is the least used weapon in the game, bring It back, u always buff weapons that haven't been use that season, so buff the least used

[sage scroll]

Give us anthropomorphic cosmetics

[broken geyser]

Increase shak 50 mag size

[late kiln]

My output is please remove the xpose effect, it honestly ruining the fun of world tour. The wall hack thing makes it feel more like I’m facing hackers then playing the game. Honestly I want the guns from world tour, but this is putting me off of playing. It’s just making the game feel more toxic.

[lament sable]

Game becoming so sweaty, u have to implement sbmm. I haven’t got past a first round world tour for 2 days. Its unbearable

[craggy wagon]

Restore sword to it's old glory

[river plover]

Now that all melee is nerfed because people thought "they were to strong at close range", how about increase their range, maybe something like this:

Dagger: Increase range from 0.25m to 50 meters (to counteract s4 nerf)
Sword: Increase range from 0.5m to 43.58 meters (obviously 50 would be OP but after testing players reported 43.58 meters to be the sweet spot for sword range)

Dual blades: Increase range from 0.4m to 100 meters (makes sense cus dual blades means dual range, players agree this would be a good change)
Riot shield: Increase range from 0.4m to 55 meters (this slight buff should bump up its usage by 0.004%, which is exactly what riot shield needs)

Spear: Increase range from 1.5m to 600 meters (this nudge to its range will hopefully bring it more in line with other Heavy weapons usage and effectiveness)
Sledgehammer: Increase range from 0.7m to 50 meters (has been bugged, should have been 50 meters from the start)

This of course makes sure melee starts also being viable at longer ranges, but since this doesn't change 'hits to kill', this shouldn't matter too much. This will help melee players, who feel they can never compete against most other weapons on literally any other range then right next to them.

[naive gust]

Wanting to solo queue puts players at SIGNIFICANT disadvantage. There's always at least two teams in WT with all three players in the same club. Make a separate queue for solo players.

Add stats for nerds.

[gray flare]

hello! these are potentially the worst balance change suggestions i have ever read in my life. i hope you have a good day

[tawdry tree]

It would be indeed cool to have stat for nerds !

[proven parcel]

Embark is just like every other game company. Passion and creativity left many seasons ago.

[buoyant swallow]

Can we make the females busty instead of flat chested personally I think this is a serious issue that must be patched

[drifting thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INUhrzOMvxo&ab_channel=NIK
see this video. All those below 500 round player is top 500 player. Glad so many world class player join the game

[smoky gust]

please add 5v5 cashout
the 3rd partying, griefing and last second double plugs making most effort obsolete is really frustrating

[median pawn]

I'd really prefer having to make a username, so every person is unique - Discriminators are fine, but just no auto generated.

This goes hand in hand with the problem of seeing people mass making accounts, just to throw away - I want to know if the same Username123s I'm fighting against are the same.

Likewise, I'd like to have viewable career profiles for everyone.

[tawdry portal]

worst event you've ever done with the hack. Truly game breaking and poorly thought out. After 1000 hours you may have convinced me to quit until you remove this. Dreadful event.

[tribal hill]

I strongly agree

[dark niche]

flamethrower isnt terrible but also isnt great
it has decent range but in a lot of cases youre losing fights because your opponent just plain out-damages you
though everything else i agree w!! sledge is still viable..the nerf was to remove quick melee combos and you dont even need those to do well with it. and i do think they need to focus more on marketing

[autumn sedge]

things that ruin a match for me:
-winch
-lockbolt
-pike

[thick cliff]

Tell me you are a light without telling me you play light
Yeah it suck especially the pike

[hearty hatch]

Fix melee. Thanks 🙂

[thorny lynx]

Absolutely NOBODY at all wanted Recon sense back in the game. You took it out 6 seasons ago for certain reasons. I am sorry to say this was the WORST idea (especially if you are trying to bring recon back in somehow) and should have been thought about on a much deeper basis. NOT one single true FPS player wants walls in their game Embark??!! Also, continuing to "monitor" the CL-40 situation is not it.... the fact there was not a self dmg nerf today is insane.

[robust cradle]

I love this game very much! All i suggest is adding the ability to pass group leader in the lobby. ty ❤️

[wraith igloo]

Please remove the xpose recon sense hack event, putting aside the fact it’s super annoying and ruins games, it’s ugly af. Have not found a single person that likes it so far.

[plush dove]

so no update today even though they NEED it. instead we have to wait another week for only a small percentage of their problems to get fixed. yet why am I still dealing with a glitch where I can’t see my other teammate in my party that’s been happening since last season. and the store refresh is one of the worst i’ve seen. first mythic skin to hit the store and it’s a damn reprint of a skin that already exists. just shows how lazy they are not make something fresh and new. at this point I can’t with this game. it’s to the point i’d rather go back to destiny 2 which is crazy to say

[haughty totem]

Nerf CL40 and DB(x3)

[gloomy cradle]

Buff CL40 and DB

[crisp parrot]

Buff CL40 and DB (x1000)

But seriously please no more nerfs it's just cringe, please buff some things thx embark ❤️

[tame vessel]

I love how mfs get mad at someone for posting their suggestions even though embark is not going to see it

[jagged vector]

Ban this cheater god damn never misses a shot

[young scroll]

increase self damage on cl40

[cobalt kernel]

ADD iron sights to sniper rifle!!

CL40 needs nerf to projectile speed and travel distance mainly, It was pretty slow before but you overtuned the heck out of it, damage is fine i guess if you fix that

Buff breach charge fuse time, takes forever to explode

Buff Pyro grenade AOE

Buff Reshaper recharge time greatly, or give third charge back

BRING BACK BANK IT

Remove Quick Cash for it

[simple river]

remove the cl40

[shy token]

Tac vest cosmetic

As a crossbody item!

We already have bullet slings, harnesses, sling bags, and freaking wrestling belt - so why not tac vests which can cover some to next to nothing of the upper body (see attached examples).

This is such a simple thing that could spice up the customisation of our contestants. Hell, if there was a bundle with different colors (tan, black, camo whatever) it can could make a killing too.

But most importantly, it adds variety to a game stagnant with tacticool upper bodies; these could add flavour to a freaking t-shirt or hoody that no one has thought of using because it's just not cool on its own.

We have outfits that are literally a shirt or top with tac vest or harness, yes. But they are locked together. I want the harness to be available on its own with near unlimited options.

THE FINALS already provides so much variety, and the #🔥┇drip-check is proof of that. So why not add some more to it?

[frozen elk]

yo embark i've been playing this game since ob and this is some of the worst balancing changes to date. almost every gun that took skill to use got nerfed, and the cl140 got fucking buffed. i get that every weapon should be viable, but at least make the weapon need skill to use. every time i get on the game i end up quitting after ten minutes because people are triple stacking quick cash with cl140s and fucking mines. this is by far the most miserable season by far and something needs to be done before the mid season patch because this is unberable.

[heady gale]

I feel like if your teammates leave during a ranked match that you shouldn't lose points.. Both of mine left and I lost 1k

[fleet quiver]

couldn't have said it better myself

[signal shoal]

Bro you’re just a quitter

[gleaming summit]

fix reload bug, fix shooter basics holy!!!

[hearty bough]

You have 1000 hours but aren’t just playing ranked? Why not just play ranked instead?

[devout fjord]

Just buff everything, problem solved, the game was fun, hilarious and so unique, it's starting to feel like cod.. everything had a chance in the past for counter and outplay potential. s2 was peak .. I love this game, it's still the best out there, it's so unique, the chaos is what makes it stand out. the weapon nerfs are really hurting it, from a fun shooter its starting to feel like rainbow six and cod..

[cinder charm]

Day 12 of asking embark to bring back bank it (and nerf cl-40, it's not fun to play against)

[storm veldt]

Add a Vaiiya tank top 🙏

[hollow badger]

nerf cl40

[floral vault]

make DB do a bit less damage, making heavies 2 hits and a q melee

[latent shoal]

delete grenade launcher, the game is perfect, but this ************** ruin the game

[sonic salmon]

Can we not make people play powershift for contracts please?

[slender skiff]

..I come here to say once more...how does a sword block a full mag of mini gun bullets and deflect them back at the shooter..

[modern bramble]

there needs to be an option to turn off the zipline highlight

[little plaza]

I like season 7 so far, but strongly dislike the new announcer. The sentiment is shared with everyone I play with regularly. It is way too frequent, intrusive and repetitive. Additionally, the quality of the audio seems lower than other commentary.

Is there a way to disable the new announcer for s7? Or any plans to improve it or remove it going forward? (As a temporary work around, I have turned down all of the commentary, which is a bummer as I like Scotty & June.)

Thanks for listening!

[dry wraith]

I don't like the idea of promoting griefing between players. There is already no SBMM (skill-based matchmaking) in the World Tour, and now people will have the ability to see where enemies are hiding. This will make it easier to third-party and harass players who are already losing.
P.s: It's amusing to think that their name moderating system was more effective than their anti-cheat system.

[untold egret]

Yall should add halos or like crowns that glow over your head and you should make backpack universal cuz why can’t the Aztec skin tier 100 from like 2 seasons ago have a back bling? Also please make it so you can unlock the exclusive skins I couldn’t play for like 2 months and managed to grind to tier 105 but that wasn’t enough to get me to the exclusive black Aztec skins even thought I did all the challenges possible.

[near spruce]

robotic feel/ animations for robo suit skin

[pseudo latch]

FLAMETHROWER REWORK SUGGESTION
Flamethrower has been vastly underperforming for seasons, and considering the weapon is almost identical to the weapon it was back in OB, it’s about time for it to recieve some major changes.

• Increase its range back to 10 meters: Same range as open beta, its pretty much the only thing it hasnt gotten back.
• Increase overall DPS by 10: This will still leave it doing much less damage than most weapons, but at least it will be killing a medium faster than 3 seconds.
• Rework the "ADS" into an Alternate fire:
  - Alt Fire launches a fireball projectile that detonates on impact. Does 70 on a direct hit, trickles off to 30 damage at minimum range. AoE of 3 meters. Costs 5 Ammo to fire, RoF of about 90 RPM. Projectile is about as heavy as current Anti Grav Cube (no "sniping" people with fireballs)
  This would give Flamer a bit more utility and viability at range, without completely invalidating its primary fire.

SPEAR REWORK SUGGESTION
Spear as it stands just isnt working. The spin is a fun idea but its too high commitment, and far too easily punished or whiffed. It’s a fun idea but it needs to go.

• Alt fire is replaced by a spear throw:
  -upon alt fire, Heavy "charges" a spear throw (similar to how TK alt fire works) allowing them to throw a 100 damage spear projectile, with the same weight and speed of a CL40 grenade.
  This gives spear some utility no other melee can claim, allowing heavy to follow up kills that would otherwise get away from him. Though the DPS would obviously be rather low to punish spamming.

KS-23 REWORK SUGGESTION
The KS23 has been in a sore spot since its addition, what little times its stood in the spotlight very swiftly nerfed out of existence, and in the state its in, its been very cruelly power crept out in lieu of other, more reliable close range options like the SA12 and the minigun. More than anything its main gimmick of being an accuracy weapon that isnt perfectly accurate has lead to it having significant issues, and i think more than anything, that needs to go.

• Primary fire has been changed from a single projectile to a ten pellet spread. Triangular "ten pin bowling" arrangement.
• Each pellet does 10 damage each, and 100 structural each. (maybe 11-12 each but i know we want to avoid QM "kill combos, though my opinion on that is we should just let lights die fast)
• Reload now uses the "double shell" animation regardless of if the weapon has been emptied or not: speeds up general reload time when weapon isnt emptied
  This change would give the weapon more reliable consistency in combat without sacrificing its main gimmick of destruction. Failing that JUST MAKE IT PERFECTLY ACCURATE LIKE CMON

Oh and like, just make the MGL grenades explode on player contact. Like cmon, TF2 figured this shit out 17 years ago.

[wheat wyvern]

The CL40 needs a nerf. 5 shots is crazy, and the amount of damage you do to yourself is too low, and the amount of damage you do to others shouldn't do the same damage as an rpg.

Either lower the damage per grenade or drop the mag size back to 4

[leaden shell]

ok embark im gonna try and stop these light mains from ruining ur game even further cause im tired of seeing this everytime i open this chat. 1. CL40 does not need a nerf its a gimick weapon at its best but does its job well defending cashouts and killing lights out of position but against anyone with decent rifle aim it gets absolutely shredded expecially if they have the high ground. 2.Hammer needs to be reverteed back to its original state its a melee weapon and again it does a lot of damage but falls short vs good range players and is only rewarding if it closes the gap. 3. FCAR needs about 2 more damage or another 5 bullets in the mag either would make the gun feel good again. 4. cerberus is weaker than it was on launch wich is kinda dumb i say try and put it in the same position as the model by giving it a tighter spread faster reload and maybe 1 more damage per pellet. Most of these nerf request from a lot of these people is because they get skill diffed and think its not a skill issue but the weapon itself and thats just ignorance.

[sinful fog]

Very confusing quest, clarify that it just requires canister damage then

[cunning cave]

oh, hello thats me

[fathom aurora]

worst event i have ever seen in this game since beta. congrats

[tender sail]

Fix your dumbfuck spawning system. What is it about EA devs that prevents you from making a spawn system that work

[valid owl]

Pls remove the new event from world tour... Its annoying and distracting

[worldly thunder]

make the melee weapons works like Mordhau, eg: directionnal hits

[serene olive]

please add the overlook googles with white lenses and a red cloth and a split like two eyes

[proud gate]

Bring back bank it, it's my favorite mode 😍.
Also bring back some of the things that made the game famous and pop off in the beginning, such as grappling on red barrels, super niche weapons and interesting/outstanding skins. I remember when the stick skins came out the internet pickup up the game super fast just because a paid skin was cool, what other game becomes popular because of the paid/premium parts of it? It was incredible! At this point upwards of half the skins in the game are just basic or reskins. I don't know the stats but I'll tell you that I would never ever spend money on some basic polka-dot pattern for my AK, but if the AK becomes a Lazer rifle or a friggin gun shaped melon that shoots seeds I would be a lot more likely to spend money on it. And about the niche weapons, there are a lot of niche weapons in the game which I love but some of them are stale or unusable. Pretty much I just want a sword rework to be less of like a fencing thing and more of a like katana idek im js blabbing atp...
Luv u devs ❤️

[unique zodiac]

please, remove weekly world tour event, its really bad

[raven garnet]

Just wondering why in plat you constantly give me silver and bronze teammates against plat stacks. honestly a joke

[urban fractal]

Minigun sometimes doesn’t rev when aiming, lasts entire game

[quasi apex]

The Cashbox quarter back skin does not get its numbers changed, it is still fixed to 9, can that change please XD

[ionic pumice]

embark should also give discount on the dlc bundles on summer sale on steam

[eternal bobcat]

is unreal engine 5.6 planned? it would help a little with the CPU eating simulator. The vram usage is awesome since some updates though, good work devs❤️‍🔥
im a player since beta on pc

[vivid glade]

this game is so fun when you can tank a full mag of head shots while stealing nerf h-infuse

[nova mica]

Yeah I agree. This event is very annoying not a fan at all and I like basically everything in this game so that’s saying a lot

[grand crow]

I don't think the battle pass's bonus pages should take so much xp this season, thr rewards are a little too underwhelming to justify the grind.

[ebon spruce]

REMOVE CL-40 FOR GOD SAKE

[sweet geode]

game keeps crashing - just shot my rpg - everything glitched.. game CRASHED - again. 😢

[halcyon patio]

Mythic my ass. You can just put a recolor of an existing skin and call it "mythic" (for the black robot)

[sonic arrow]

Cl40 is ruining all your casual game modes. ADDRESS IT NOW or watch your casual playerbase and the new players vanish sooner or later

[dim tangle]

you guys are a joke reskinning shit and making world tour just where everyone has recon senses but youve done nothing about the problems of the game, only care for monetization and not how the game plays.

[signal basin]

Update after S7 :

** General feedback **

I bought the Ultimate BP. To support you guys, really. But to be honest, from my POV, the price is to much high & should be able to buy IG not by bundle. 20€ will be fairer price if you can regain it in the BP. I bought it this time. Not sure I will do it every seasons.

Netcode is pathetic & lag compensation is TOO MUCH STRONG. With a really good connection, I'm still dying behind cover after a Dash. It just make me want to stop your game.

Cheaters are spreading and matchmaking is worst this season

New season, but still MMH / HHM META
I would LOVE to see your data on Light class & how weak & unbalanced they are

🎲 For the game 🎲

• In pratice game, add friendly fire option
• Improve your matchmaking in World Tour. No more Solo VS tri-stack
• Add "steps" in reload animation so when you climb on something during a reload, it's not completely reset.
• Add a report option " Sabotage " in the report section IG when people leave or AFK on purpose.
• Let us choose our sight weapons at the beginning of a game
• Random charm list for weapons/gadgets. EDIT : Can we just choose our random skin & not all our skins ?
• We shouldn't lost point in ranked when a team mate leave the squad and didn't play during the round
• Let us invite friends or join them in group even if we are not the group leader
• Add the possibility to look at the banner of friends & recent players.
• **Give us the possibility to customize rules in private match. Like "only M and Dual Blade", "only Light and SR84", "only marksman", "No heal, Light only and grenade only". You can imagine all you want and put it in private match for streamer & their community to make the game more fun **

**⚖️ For balance ⚖️ **

• **META Full heal. What's the point when, as Light, you get 2shot by all the META weapons ? Buff Light weapons so they can get a kill before getting Thanosed. **The effort to play Light correctly is too damn high compared to Medium & Heavy class. There is no fun at all playing Light. Meanwhile Medium spam with CL40 and Heavy are unkillable with the new heal.
• REVERT CL40 BUFF. It's destroying the fun in your game
• Revert the nerf of the XP54. What's the point of putting XP at 16dmg when M11 (an other SMG) do the same, faster & with more bullets ?
• Rework Nulifier (again) : When you get it by the "Taser" your recoil is increased but you can still move as you want and you take 5 dmg/sec by the electricity during 3 sec. Can hit multiple target when you shoot.
• You shouldn't be able to right clic sword + dash. This double dash is unfair
• Nerf the CB01-Repeater damage or increase the recoil
• Rework Vanish Bomb. Make it start regen instant. It will increase survability for the Light & it can be use for your teammates too !
• Reduce the radius of the reflect of the Dual Blade or let us shoot in the feet or something else to let us counter DB when you got an AR like Riot Shield.
• Nerf the range of the KS23. You can put 100 dmg at 20m.
• Nerf PIKE to 48 dmg instead of 50 dmg.
• Rework defib: Reduce the cooldown reset to 5s and give 100HP instead of 50% of your HP. It will force Medium to revive safier !
• Rework Sonar: Scan 5 times instead of 3 but if you don't move it can't scan you
• Winch & lockbolt shouldn't do damage. It's already strong enough
• Rework the ARN into a real AR ? Slower RPM but much more DMG. Something like the FCAR or AK for example.

** 🛜 Servers problems 🛜 **

• Improve your netcode / tickrate or I don't know what ! Dying behind cover it's one of the most frustrating thing in The Finals
• Flamethrower and hook should NOT get you through walls, doors and farer than it should be
• Sword, dagger, DualS or all other melee weapon feels unfair when you think you're out of range and die anyway.
• Having good connection = Free death

I will always post this now and add some changes time to time.

[lapis pelican]

not the right channel btw

[spice dagger]

noob tube is annoying

[hazy vessel]

Nerf cl40

[drifting topaz]

NERF CL40

[zinc oasis]

The CL40 does not need a nerf they just need to make other weapons actually viable instead of nerfing everything that is slightly good at killing lights and lights need to just get over to skill issue and learn how to counter shit

[wet ether]

Hey guys, i noticed that my PC was underperforming while running the finals... I am barely averaging 59 to 70 fps while having everything on low ! I got a Acer Nitro 16 > RTX 4070 > Ryzen 7 7735HS > And one stick of 16Go RAM this is the only thing that could explain that underperformance ngl, Do you guys have an idea ? And of course i am playing with the laptop plugged in

[candid tide]

Buff CL40

[naive narwhal]

If you think nothing is viable I think you're a bit clued out

[glad ocean]

All they use is the db and cloak

[bold berry]

• nerf heal or give gadget to counter.. some heavy feel like gods.. we didn’t need this

• cl-40 is back to normal but everything else got nerfed.. the audio is annoying the shake as well.. its no fun.. we are getting comps of 2/3 M with it.. it’s horrible.. i hate it.. its once again ruining the game.
• this event is also meh.. but that glow around the user prevents us from seeing enemies properly ( glare, debris, light smoke )

Why on earth’s did we think giving heals to everyone was a good idea? Why give it to Heavy? Why force all players to follow this concept.. the goal is the objective and have fun.. this is not fun

[atomic crow]

rather than killing the CL-40 by nerfing it to the ground i think it could use either a rate of fire nerf or make it only deal max damage on direct hits

[quick coyote]

REMOVE CL-40

[twilit geode]

Heavy is defibed, light uses Heal gun 0.5 full health heavy not even medium heal gun does this.

[sullen girder]

Been 2 seasons with same bug, automatic reload after 1 shot in any weapon, this game has the worst shooting system,

Also the environment healing balls are sooooo useless, slow and boring

[ashen bloom]

remove kyoto from map rotation

[hidden wagon]

Keep making the game great ❤️

[ember breach]

I just booted up the game for the first time since season 7 released, and I must say, I am disgusted with the new "Ultimate Battle Pass" tier, I've supported and loved this game since release, but the game is now ruined for me. I can't in good faith support it anymore. I've sadly uninstalled it from my console. We had a good run.

[stiff egret]

this is to the embark dev team in charge of the store items.im noticing a trend that is honestly in poor form.coming off alittle greedy.i love this game an ive invested alot of money in it so i feel like i have the right to speak on it.STOP DOING RE-COLORS.its lazy.thats some shit apex does an look how fast that game has gone down hill cause they got greedy an lazy.put new unique items an packs in the store.if your going to re-color a pack dont be "thoses guys" an try ab pass it off as new with a full price tag on it.thats some doushebag behavior an this game is doing too well to start that kinda shit staining its rep.im speaking from a place of love for this game not from a place of disrespect.that re-colored robot is not worth 2000 coins its the same pack with a new color at most it is 1000.lets not go the way of apex please

[fringe anchor]

needs to be an option on console where you dont have to reload to pickup items

[thorn basalt]

i was gonna complain about the throwing knives like i usually do after i get screwed out of a win by a dodgy throwing knives user, but my god that take is so ASS

[tropic snow]

just add these to extra rewards, fuck your 30 euro pass
also instead of making a balance patch you add back recon senses as an event?? what the are you guys smoking
..cant forget to update the store tho ✡️

[quaint portal]

Melee is not viable currently and Embark is taking every step to make it even less viable with each balance patch. I thought this game was supposed to be different to other shooters, but it is slowly becoming a battlefield/COD clone with a few gimmick gadgets and abilities. Sad to see.
Embark, stop taking advice from sweaty, cringe streamers that only play with guns, and focus on the aspect that make you game unique and fun.
Stop nerfing playstyle and build variety for the sake of renegade COD players, THEY ARE NOT YOUR AUDIENCE.

shotgun oneshots light at close range
Embark: 😄
Any Melee weapon oneshots a light at close range
Embark: 😡

Gotta love this logic, balance team. /s

Anyways,

Hey, Embark, can we get more colors for the basic tank tops? Maybe Red or Blue? Ty! Love the game! (balance it properly, plz)

[sonic spoke]

CL 40 is 5.5x RPG with less self damage and more splash damage. Please change CL 40.

[winter panther]

Just had to fight a team with three turrets and a cl40 what is this game…

[topaz barn]

This game is not going to retain new players if they are being put into matches with people that have been playing since day one. Looking at reorganising Matchmaking should be a priority.

[stark jackal]

The CL-40 needs a rework or other guns need to be buffed. Heavy healing ball needs longer cool down time.

[wind flame]

game is screwed up with healing roles. Light is best in damage, utility and healing now. There's no real reson for medium, other than demat. And for 3 weeks, no mention of changes. No thought of "huh, game is bad to play currently. Let's get all hands on deck to look at networking, instead of fixing the sheit we launched"

[nocturne quest]

I wish there was a 4v4v4 cashout or 5v5 cashout.

I want to bring more friends in to the game and we all want to play the main game mode but sadly you can play it only with 2 of you friends.

[untold hazel]

nerf cl-40 nah

[lapis harness]

Hack even is to distracting n messes up view

[real wyvern]

It would be nice if instead of CL40 and potentially healing gadgets being nuked with nerfs to absolute mediocrity in the upcoming balance patch, other weapons were buffed.
Especially those that have been killed with nerfs that completely put them out of the game like Model, AKM, Sword and Hammer.
Heal Beam too, since apparently medium is the support/healer class. I only see demat as it is too useful and other classes have superior healing gadgets, not even specialisations.

Model, Sword and Hammer will never be seen as good if they cant hit the light class and get a kill after a followup quickmelee.

[crisp parrot]

Cringe

[versed vault]

weak and unbalanced? the lights are the most over powered and over played class if your bad with them then its saying something about you.

[cosmic zodiac]

4th place with 32,000 cash is not acceptable. One of the last two cashouts should not be worth more than the first two combined.....

[thick sorrel]

lol, so true... and they wonder why people quit. They did the same shit seasons before.
Also 3 Shot Pike got nerfed for a reason and it's also back again.

Balance Team has obviously no clue.

[stiff elm]

Why is there every single time new skins for every single weapon except AKM? This isn’t fair!

[grand temple]

LOL BUFF CHARGE

[sacred glacier]

change it so that the tied teams have somewhat control over who gets in

[covert kite]

playing wt makes me realize that recon couldve been reworked like the stun gun, but hey if everyone has recon then I guess its fair. Also nerf the H+ for the love of god, when lights actually use their little noggins this thing is broken. My first game with it allowed me to drop 20+ kills as well as 10k+ support with a gadget??!?! Almost 40k support for the full tournament. The only time I have ever been close to those numbers is pre nerf support medium. As a support main, the burst healing from the H+ is pretty much having 2 healing beams on your team.

[quartz dirge]

I just booted up the game for the first time since season 7 released, and I must say, I am disgusted with the new "Ultimate Battle Pass" tier, I've supported and loved this game since release, but the game is now ruined for me. I can't in good faith support it anymore. I've sadly uninstalled it from my console. We had a good run.

[wooden sand]

the cl40 needs a change to reduce the pick rate, i dont think seeing a grenade laucher every game or more is healthy for the weapon. maybe less ammo, revert the reverted nerf. just something

[finite kelp]

Defibs currently bring back players at half hp with the defib sickness. this makes being defibbed on light feel very rough. I would be interested to see the team experiment with different changes to the defib... the two I thought would be a cool thing to try are if the defib revived with a flat 150 hp regardless of class, or if instead of the statue charging up after your paddled have the revived player in the nullified state so that they can move and reload

[thorn kelp]

Most uneducated ragebaiter in #👂┇game-feedback

[plush fjord]

We need cooler looking explosions.

Theyre already awesome, but right now the explosions seem to have a bit more smoke and dust and not the orange-red tint you'd expect from an explosion.

And then whenever you'd get an explosion, you'd think its** light would reflect a bit off of windows **and your screen.

The picture above shows the kind of thing I'm talking about. Explosions will look way better if this kinda upgrad is implemented.

Thanks Embark.

[shadow idol]

Bruh game kicking me for nothing

[cedar cave]

embark why on earth does the cl40 deal full damage thru walls? i am sorry but thats just not rational, especially with XPOSE it makes the game utterly unplayable for any class, i have never been so disgusted playing world tour, im sorry

[winter garnet]

what if there was a fashion show limited time gamemode where you get a little theme and get to play dress up with all your cosmetics (could also help drive sales when people get a good full render look at a fit)

[cerulean echo]

new sights please.

[novel trench]

Finally something in this god forsaken channel we can all get behind

[urban sail]

Make megaultra heavy a song you hear when queuing for a game on the season 2 soundtrack

[ornate panther]

Free dual blade skin for mediums https://youtube.com/shorts/-onbOboVogU?si=QAYMWhPXyjzZexrQ

[hasty island]

Guys why help with the recruit pls 👀 any new player you know so I can play with

[quasi delta]

Day 10 of waiting until Embark is compliant with 2025 EU consumer protection guidelines.

[sharp cedar]

hello can enyone help me with the game error: I can do everything normaly in the lobby but when i enter the match game kicks me out and says kicked from server and the error id is TFGE0024.

[exotic elk]

I just booted up the game for the first time since season 7 released, and I must say, I am disgusted with the new "Ultimate Battle Pass" tier, I've supported and loved this game since release, but the game is now ruined for me. I can't in good faith support it anymore. I've sadly uninstalled it from my console. We had a good run.

[halcyon patio]

Why havent they done nothing about the cl40. Isnt literally every other post about this game cl40 rn???? Its unplayable its such a crutch instant win in power shift

[analog glacier]

NERF FUCKING CL40!

[simple jasper]

Take out the annoying event please!!

[leaden tangle]

Best feedback I see🫶🏻

[frozen tree]

Big wishlist:
Revert sword nerf (PLEASE give it 140 lunge damage, it needs it)
Revert dagger nerf (let it backstab turrets again, and increase the angle)
Revert sledge nerf (at least the left click part)
Also with the sledge buff, nerf winch! It’s the problem!
Let riot shield block/reduce damage from explosions
Increase dual blades deflection accuracy
Increase CL-40 self damage and make the projectile slower, to allow time to react
Make breach drill faster and a maybe a bigger explosion
Bring back grenade grappling, and make it easier
Make m11 a close range option, XP a mid range one, and ARN a longer range one. Same thing with AKM, FCAR, and famas, respectively
Make heal ball not regenerate cooldown until destroyed
Nerf h+ healing a bit
Fix performance and freezing
There may be more, but this is what I think for now

[haughty totem]

NERF CL40 NERF DB

[upbeat urchin]

I have an idea for limited time event game mode, let's say CNS hacks "the finals" and each character, L, M or H can have any specialization and gadgets from any class, and it's randomized in some way.
meaning you could spawn as light with a CL-40, charge and slam, vanish bomb, Heavy with camo, dagger, jump pad, etc.
I think it could be fun and experimental 👌

[sleek creek]

Regarding the new weapon skins:

Embark! 😦

I love you guys so much! I have gotten so so much of the things released to the store….

But I have so many skins for the XP that I absolutely love, with my favorites being the Lava and Prism skin.

I really wish this was for the M11, because I don’t gave any skins I can say the same for it… and this skin is sooo awesome….

I’ve never had any complaints about the game because I have a passion for it, but I always find myself thinking I wish I had the skins I had for the XP for things like the M11 or SH….

Please Embark…. This one wish… you can take my money

[rotund gust]

It'd be interesting if you added World Tour Bonanza and it gives you a random mode, but you still progress the same rank as original WT. you could even make it TDM terminal attack powershift and BANK IT so that people who grinding WT aren't only playing quick cash for an entire season

[daring fossil]

I mean, if Embark didn't ruin the LH1 in season 2 I'd probably still be using that

[split summit]

add kfc as sponsor

[dreamy owl]

lvl 80+, my team 7 and 12lvl, enemies teams 80+, why???

[worldly owl]

Add maid outfit

[versed sentinel]

I wonder if you are waiting for it to be 10k players online only to add a very simple solo queue button for ranked, really don't care how long gotta wait for a match although 24 players with similar skill and rank for 10-20k shouldn't be hard to get

[hazy skiff]

Add more horses

[strange matrix]

engimoing till i ospuze

[spice zenith]

CL-40 is too easy to use
Edit:
I didn’t say there wasn’t a counter
it’s just to easy too use, don’t even need to aim, shoot floor and win

[worldly raptor]

Let me show you my APS

[next flame]

This might be worse than Reddit chat

[slow fog]

CL-40 has the lowest TTK of all medium weapons fires a projectile and requires multiple direct impacts to be on par with the other guns. As a high level ruby player I think we need to give it some love. While we're at it rank lock the feedback channel or at least force people to link their accounts so we can ignore all the bronze crybabies

[true field]

I'm literally crying right now. I can't kill the training bots in practice range challange with melee weapons.

[livid pivot]

So like instead of actually bringing back the good and amazing and awesome aggressive anti-cheat all you're going to do is give everyone to you in this exposed from via thing but just make it temporary to get things even more confusing about the people who are using wall hack which are very obvious like I don't get it those decisions that you guys make make no sense to me at all just bring back the aggressive anti-cheat please

And again the amount of cheaters oh my god the amount of cheaters like what the hell dude go and play a solo game and cheat on it all you want I like in an online game and for it to be so possibly easy to do it like you guys can just Google this stuff what is your anti-cheat company doing how much money are you giving them and why for what

Bring back the aggressive anti cheat please please please
But like to add a cherry on top of it with another team dies they just spawn on me they just want 50 meters away just like under my armpit 25 m away like what the hell

And the box report channel is just closed just like that right but like add items to the shop every week just leave those bugs out there hanging by caught animal feces on a summer afternoon

[torpid turtle]

So is there a reason why dual blades have no aim assist and just melee assist. As a controller player it is frustrating and makes it my least favorite weapon

[spice stag]

performance this update is awful

[coral seal]

embark game would be twice as good if u add maid outfit

[copper blade]

SOUTH AMERICA SERVERS NEED HELP FOR WORLD TOUR AND RANKED

[jagged cedar]

this is the single worst performing game on my pc and it's literally not even close

[warm mauve]

I don't know what you guys did this update...but can you just UNDO it? Most matches are literally unplayable right now. I didn't buy the ultimate battle pass for Great Value servers Embark.

[clear crystal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/mirrorsedge/comments/1ll1ood/the_finals_looks_like_mirrors_edge/ please add wall running to the light

[ionic viper]

remove ultimate battle pass, make it much cheaper or allow us to buy parts of it rather than everything
also make bonus rewards better, an iseult sniper isn't really worth the grind unless you like the sponsor

[ember breach]

Sadly they can't do that right now because silly people have already paid for it, but if it's not in the next season, I will come back to the game

[uneven spade]

Adding the ability to change attachments in the Practice Range would make me explode

[opaque socket]

I feel like the mini gun should not be a main gun. It's a bit OP

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground. Don't nerf cl40.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed,they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[sonic arrow]

Prioritizing monetization and shoving it into the face of the playerbase has got to be the fastest method to kill the game. Why introduce mythic rarity and pressure people to overspend (which happens to be illegal in Europe) when there is still an unholy amount of bugs? Why charge triple the price for an "upgraded" battlepass when this season's balance patch made weapon balance the worst it has ever been? Why secretly raise the price of certain items when the servers and other performance issues remain unfixed after over a year?

I'm convinced that Nexon is the hand behind the puppet in all of this cruel work, so prove to your playerbase that you actually care

[pseudo latch]

FLAMETHROWER REWORK SUGGESTION
Flamethrower has been vastly underperforming for seasons, and considering the weapon is almost identical to the weapon it was back in OB, it’s about time for it to recieve some major changes.

• Increase its range back to 10 meters: Same range as open beta, its pretty much the only thing it hasnt gotten back.
• Increase overall DPS by 10: This will still leave it doing much less damage than most weapons, but at least it will be killing a medium faster than 3 seconds.
• Rework the "ADS" into an Alternate fire:
  - Alt Fire launches a fireball projectile that detonates on impact. Does 70 on a direct hit, trickles off to 30 damage at minimum range. AoE of 3 meters. Costs 5 Ammo to fire, RoF of about 90 RPM. Projectile is about as heavy as current Anti Grav Cube (no "sniping" people with fireballs)
  This would give Flamer a bit more utility and viability at range, without completely invalidating its primary fire.

SPEAR REWORK SUGGESTION
Spear as it stands just isnt working. The spin is a fun idea but its too high commitment, and far too easily punished or whiffed. It’s a fun idea but it needs to go.

• Alt fire is replaced by a spear throw:
  -upon alt fire, Heavy "charges" a spear throw (similar to how TK alt fire works) allowing them to throw a 100 damage spear projectile, with the same weight and speed of a CL40 grenade.
  This gives spear some utility no other melee can claim, allowing heavy to follow up kills that would otherwise get away from him. Though the DPS would obviously be rather low to punish spamming.

KS-23 REWORK SUGGESTION
The KS23 has been in a sore spot since its addition, what little times its stood in the spotlight very swiftly nerfed out of existence, and in the state its in, its been very cruelly power crept out in lieu of other, more reliable close range options like the SA12 and the minigun. More than anything its main gimmick of being an accuracy weapon that isnt perfectly accurate has lead to it having significant issues, and i think more than anything, that needs to go.

• Primary fire has been changed from a single projectile to a ten pellet spread. Triangular "ten pin bowling" arrangement.
• Each pellet does 10 damage each, and 100 structural each. (maybe 11-12 each but i know we want to avoid QM "kill combos, though my opinion on that is we should just let lights die fast)
• Reload now uses the "double shell" animation regardless of if the weapon has been emptied or not: speeds up general reload time when weapon isnt emptied
  This change would give the weapon more reliable consistency in combat without sacrificing its main gimmick of destruction. Failing that JUST MAKE IT PERFECTLY ACCURATE LIKE CMON

Oh and like, just make the MGL grenades explode on player contact. Like cmon, TF2 figured this shit out 17 years ago.

[still flower]

Yes embark pls add more character designs like this we need this fr fr 🙏

[lapis harness]

Can we please remove the stupid overlay for the wall hacks. I need to see more than 10ft as a light. Like every time that event happen i just stop playing the objective because i can’t see the stuff i actually need to see/notice. all its doing is limiting my sight and view with no way to change the color transparency or the visual effect at all. Sorry my eyes suck but like wtf

[molten remnant]

Finally someone who also hates this damn circle when a sight is attached. The only reason i play lewis only with iron sight

[simple ether]

Man if only cheaters actually got punished in this game.

[vague maple]

Please move the new Matter keyboard reload animation to its inspect. :(

[fathom river]

Can we have less glitched cosmetics clipping through stuff?

Spin Cycle clips through most upper body cosmetics, like the hoodie from the same set of the previous Battle Pass level, or the CNS jacket or really anything even remotely not skin tight. This tells me you don't even test the stuff you release in the same season.

Watches and Gloves glitch through long sleeves and their models break during many animations. You can't equip watches with so many gloves that should not clip through, while jackets should dynamically adjust to allow to wear watches because most of the wardrobe doesn't allow them. So many games, even indie, do this...

[wicked ocean]

do the right thing, delete kyoto

[untold venture]

kyoto was very clearly made for TA and not cashout, please remove that awful map from the map pool

[crisp parrot]

Because 90% of the player base can counter it blindfolded and it underperforms in almost all categories

[near spruce]

Make multibucks more earnable! maybe change up monetization

[marble hearth]

Can we add this to the report menu "not doing a fucking thing and made our team lose"

[fleet quiver]

remove cl40 entirely

[arctic notch]

This season, the finals often crashes and causes my PC to automatically restart, and it usually happens during the first or second game. My configuration is i9-13900K + RTX4090. The CPU was just replaced under warranty this year, and no other games have had this issue, so I guess it's not a problem with the CPU. I need some support

[paper meadow]

I’ll second this. The gloves and watches are particularly annoying as you can see them in game too.

There are a lot (and I mean a lot) of items that have clipping issues. The whole gallery could use a once over with the buffing wheel eh?

[drifting topaz]

• NERF CL40

• NERF DB

[thorny lynx]

If this is the season we are supposed to get leading up to the 100k tourny, you all have performed poorly and unfortunately gone steps backwards again. Recon sense for everyone is the worst idea ever, whoever thought of it should be fired

[woeful hatch]

Add modes like solo duo trio and squad on quick cash. I personally think it would be fun to cash out solo or even duo cuz it would increase engagement which adds more fun into game

[indigo breach]

VERY true in regards to this weeks World tour event. TERRIBLE and should be removed IMMEDIATELY. RECON SENSE IS TERRIBLE FOR SOLO PLAYERS VS STACKS.

[stray mirage]

I think the world tour event is pretty cool

Oh theres a 4 hour slow mode jesus

Uhhhh

What if the heavy build had a 50 cal barett sniper

[magic widget]

I got 2 suggestions:

One: In final round only, make the Cashout timer not be able to complete when stealing. This gives those clutch moments where your team steals it in the nick of time, instead of being disappointed you weren’t a second earlier and lose the whole game. This wouldn’t apply in normal Cashout, however, since the multi-team dynamics could make this mechanic annoying.

Two: Give spear bonus headshot damage. It’s by far one of the weakest melee weapons that doesn’t have much of a niche, so make it that spearing someone in the head deals 1.5x damage, making it a precision melee weapon instead of just being an overall worse pick compared to sledgehammer.

P.S. where is that mgL rework embark?

[young drum]

can we take the sniper glint off the lh1 acog. the other sights dont have sniper glint. it doeesnt make sense

[hollow belfry]

Add a feature that shows what the current map and timer before the next rotation in the lobby

[normal reef]

I have a half question half suggestion:

Since y'all are not so intent on giving sword the oneshot potential on light back (even though half the loadouts in the game can oneshot lights or kill them under half a second), can you atleast make the lunge charge time shorter and a click-to-lunge instead of hold?

[iron jetty]

SWITCH 2 OR MACC SUPPORTTTTTTTTTTTTR

[echo urchin]

This hair is clearly black with purple highlights but the battle pass gives us a brown hair version.

[quick coyote]

The matchmaking is seriously fucking disgraceful this season, I keep playing with level 3 players walking in circle all game, jumping off cliffs and dying to their own gas canisters, how about you do the bare minimum and instead of scamming your own players with fake discounts you add a fucking matchmaking into the game

[runic forge]

1. I should get credited for the kill when somebody with a cl40 or rpg kills themselves after I injure them.
2. Glitch mines should not make you drop carriables

[tidal monolith]

if yall encounter a player named "EEEEEEeeeeee#1814" on asian servers report them for cheating, cant submit video evidence bc nobody has access to that chanel. do your only fucking job embark yall are an embarrassment to all game developers

[pliant lichen]

Bump this. It genuinely does seem like they are getting sloppy AF with clipping. Look at that new enormous CL-40 skin they released. It constantly clips through the wrist while standing in the load out select pre-game menu. I don't own it myself cos it looks tacky (and it's a skin for the CL, lmao). But I shake my head whenever I see someone using it. I get that maybe having a little bit of clipping while in a moving animation, but this is just while standing still in a menu which your entire team will see. The polish just isn't there.

[fading cobalt]

I want Glitch reworked, have it reduce the effectiveness of everything it hits instead of outright disable.

So Mesh/Dome Shields lose half their durability, as do basically all placeable items. Healing done while glitched is reduced. Mines do reduced damage or take longer to detonate. Shit like that. I don't like things in games that are basically "your thing is gone now."

[celest egret]

This might be apart of the upgraded battle pass stuff

[drifting isle]

dude yes this is a great idea

[lost patrol]

Banger idea

[solemn burrow]

CL-40 skin clipping

[past surge]

Embark. Remove recon sense and keep it removed permanently. Why the hell would you reintroduce this into WT

[zinc oasis]

Start adding bigger consequences for leaving ranked. It’s actually impossible to solo q and rank up simply because of how many randoms leave after dying one time. Add season long bans from competitive for repeat offenders or something

[thorn nebula]

New Matter mythic idea

[dark niche]

stop copy & pasting this please </3
also i feel like instead of writing all this extra garbage you should shorten it to just the aspects of the weapon you want changed. so much of this is just completely unnecessary imo
as someone who used to main dagger, i think having the option to tap or hold to backstab is nice, and also i think the angle should be increased by maybe 10-15 degrees..? 180 or whatever was unnecessary though

[frozen tree]

Here we go again (I’m sorry I keep repeating this it’s just easier than coming up with new stuff each time)

Big wishlist:
Revert sword nerf (PLEASE give it 140 lunge damage, it needs it)
Revert dagger nerf (let it backstab turrets again, and increase the angle)
Revert sledge nerf (at least the left click part)
Also with the sledge buff, nerf winch! It’s the problem!
Let riot shield block/reduce damage from explosions
Increase dual blades deflection accuracy
Increase CL-40 self damage and make the projectile slower, to allow time to react
Make breach drill faster and a maybe a bigger explosion
Bring back grenade grappling, and make it easier
Make m11 a close range option, XP a mid range one, and ARN a longer range one. Same thing with AKM, FCAR, and famas, respectively
Make heal ball not regenerate cooldown until destroyed
Nerf h+ healing a bit
Fix performance and freezing
There may be more, but this is what I think for now

[glacial thistle]

ability to queue AND play in practice range at the same time would be appreciated

[errant crater]

BRING BACK SEASON 1 TTK

WITH THESE NERFED GUNS + HEALS IT TAKES FOREVER TO KILL SOMEONE

AND IF U DO BY SOME MIRACLE THEY JUST GET DEFIBBED

[random bronze]

I have a really good idea for a medium gadget. ill be posting everyday about it until it gets recognized. So think Just Cause 3/4. I think that there should be a gadget that has 2 deployable jet thrusters that are pretty small. They would interact with cashouts and other items. they push in whatever direction they were placed in and you can have a remote to activate them and deactivate them until the fuel is depleeted. Medium has needed a new gadget for a WHILE. Im someone who plays a lot with dematerializer, and that adds a lot of vertical gameplay with the cashout. you can move it down or up with jumpads and what not. but there is almost NO horizontal play in this game (around the OBJ at least) i think this would GREATLY add to the game and provide an entirely new way to play this game. PLEASE react to this with an emoji or something to help get this attention if you like the idea.

[feral shard]

Day 30 requesting a Coin toss emote (only with "The Finals" icon, not a head or tails emote)

It will be a hand emote for the left hand (As every other hand emote) which tosses a coin (With a very satisfaction sound effect, like the ULTRAKILL's one) and then grab it in the air and the emote finishes

It would be so cool since, the enemies get coined, it would be a very gentle but cool flex

Hope Embark takes note of this, we need it in the game, I would pay for it

(Also, please add more hand emotes, I love them)

[odd sparrow]

ULTRAKILL MENTIONED

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground. Don't nerf cl40.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed,they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[undone dagger]

The new patch has dropped my performance by a large amount, I used to get 70-80 FPS now its 40-60 FPS. Its like all the optimizations leading up to season 7 was just canned

[gritty turtle]

Literally just add skill based matchmaking, the only people against it are “content” creators that think farming clips on new players is impressive- the lack of a real skill based matchmaking system is the major part on why new players don’t tend to stay

[tawdry swan]

make shak 25 rounds plz

[restive estuary]

Always in an anonymous state, unable to see anyone's ID..
I'm sure I 've turned off various privacy modes
Even if I delete the game and download it again, I can't get the correct display.
This situation has been going on for 3 weeks. I hope it can be resolved as soon as possible Thanks

[random garden]

please buff more way more, huge sweeping buffs, break stuff.

While "broken weapons" can be a turn-off to new players they can also be what make someone fall in love with a game! The power and adrenaline of a high risk high reward weapon.

MAKE ME LETHAL, id be more happy dying to cartoony stuff like CL-40, if i felt equally powerful using my own loadout.

somehow I feel like most of the off-meta stuff is unusable due to sweaty OG playerbase while simultaneously even the best guns feel "slightly more usable than other guns" at best.

eg. The amount of shots to kill someone with an AK is cartoonishly high even for an arcade shooter.

Visual recoil on the sniper and other guns where the gun will shoot true to screen-center rather than where the scope reticle points to fixed from when the community noticed in season 1? It feels like the repeater suffers from this, the gun sways an insane amount while strafing... I feel like i cant trust the irons or any irons in the game.

revert sword damage but remove weird shit like phantom stroke and multi tap on lunge.

This was the most fun I've ever had playing and FPS in a decade but the stagnating sweaty player base and endless nerfs is choking out my interest. Please lean heavy into casual gameplay and making things fun. The game is gonna feel competitive and dynamic regardless because of the dynamic of this wonderful game-mode and destruction you all have innovated.

[crisp parrot]

That would actually be badass

[bold ocean]

Solo que more like sandbagging at this point.

[true sage]

Make your achievements easier

[jagged vector]

I like the new event you guys are introducing, but can we please not make it so it’s every single event is a new one so fucking annoying. Also remove is your grab. I can’t jump without going flying and when trying to get away, you can’t get away to get fucking mucked.

[shrewd echo]

Being able to change your weapon skins in the load out screen?

[hardy bison]

JUST BUFF THE CL40 PLEASE

[cunning fossil]

Hey, I had an idea that I think is really good. I've noticed that the only class that can heal itself with one of its gadgets is the Heavy, so I thought of this: what if there was a button combo or a specific key for controllers and keyboard players that would allow, for example, the Light class to aim at their own head with the healing pistol as if they were going to "suicide" themselves, and for the Medium class to use the defibrillator on their own chest. Speaking of the defibrillator, please make it electrocute people like the stun gun did before the nerf. And regarding "suicide," it would be cool if, when your team is down, you're low on health, and you want to kill yourself to respawn quickly, but you don't have grenades, gas, or anything, you could just take out your gun and boom, kill yourself. I know this would add a darker tone to the game, but it would be interesting. Thanks for reading, Embark!

[junior nest]

can the world tour event not just be wallhack every single game and time? its really boring and completely ruins combat

[tame chasm]

please add /votekick

[zinc palm]

this guy gets it, up the ttk across the board make the game a little crazy, not all the one shots like s1 tho that was maybe slightly too crazy but still. higher ttks can also give new players a better chance at doing stuff if their tracking isnt perfect like is has to be rn

[visual wave]

Noticed a lil visual bug with the new glitched weapon skins, like the CL40 Syndicator or the Verisect Akimbo.
The purple holographic glitch effect they give off sticks around in animation previews when customizing contestants, and I specifically noticed the Verisect’s glitch effect can be seen a lil when teams are shown before a match, on both teams.

This truly is one of, if not the best live-service, battle pass-based game I’ve ever played. At least in terms of FPSs idk.
S7 definitely has the best battle pass so far. Really hoping for some cool new melee weapons in future passes (cough gauntlets cough) and more historic/real-world maps.

[autumn sedge]

...I wasn't toxic in my complaint, so why'd you feel the need to rage :P

Also, all of those I wrote down after playing with medium...

[fickle linden]

-feedback

[spiral light]

Feedback channel FAQ

⭐ What is this channel for?
Constructive feedback (positive and negative) and suggestions about the game.
⭐ What is not meant for this channel?
Bug reports (see #1201841543926005810), cheater reports (please make them in-game or send them to support). Spam, toxicity and messages intended to troll/bait will be removed.
⭐ Do devs read this channel?
Yes, the channel is read and tracked. However, the dev team will rarely react or respond directly.
⭐ Should I ping anyone to leave feedback?
No, just drop it here. We can handle it! Please also avoid pinging Embarkers (blue roles) - it will not get your feedback to them faster.

[minor notch]

balisong dagger...

[ripe pike]

the xposed event is complete shit. you took away the recon ability for a reason

[cobalt kernel]

Add iron sights to sniper rifle

CL40 needs nerf to projectile speed and travel distance mainly, It was pretty slow before but you overtuned the heck out of it, damage is fine i guess if you fix that

Buff breach charge fuse time, takes forever to explode

Buff Pyro grenade AOE

Buff Reshaper recharge time greatly, or give third charge back

BRING BACK BANK IT

Remove Quick Cash for it

[cerulean jungle]

Add dinosaurs

[drowsy swift]

god yes please

[grizzled sorrel]

played 3 hours of WT with my friend, and it was nothing but NOZOMI, and Las Vegas once or twice. like seriously.... i am already tired of the map. sure it's beautiful and all, but that doesn't matter when it is only that map, and nothing else.

[plush fjord]

(@drifting isle @lost patrol @novel trench thanks for all the appreciation)

We need cooler looking explosions.

Theyre already awesome, but right now the explosions seem to **have a bit more smoke **and dust and not the orange-red tint you'd expect from an explosion.

And then whenever you'd get an explosion, you'd think its light would reflect a bit off of windows and your screen.

The picture above shows the kind of thing I'm talking about. Explosions will look way better if this kinda upgrad is implemented.

Thanks Embark.

PS: I forgot to upload the image that would ellaborate more about how I'd like explosions to look, in a hurry. But I've already uploaded it on my previous message here on this channel, in the same words. You can check it from that.

[agile cloak]

I just got put into a ranked game with no teammates. like why do you make it so impossible for solo players to play ranked smh

[gleaming gust]

throwing knives are just a little too slow of a firing rate for what they are

[fleet quiver]

buff cl40 it's not forgiving enough, make it to where you can one shot even a heavy by clicking the floor 5 meters away from them and also completely remove self damage

[glossy vessel]

Where are the other two weapon skins( R.357 and XP54)of the CNS in the 7.1 version update video?

[daring fossil]

please show enemy team player cards after a match.

[shy token]

Tac vest cosmetic

As a crossbody item!

We already have bullet slings, harnesses, sling bags, and freaking wrestling belt - so why not tac vests which can cover some to next to nothing of the upper body (see attached examples).

This is such a simple thing that could spice up the customisation of our contestants. Hell, if there was a bundle with different colors (tan, black, camo whatever) it can could make a killing too.

But most importantly, it adds variety to a game stagnant with tacticool upper bodies; these could add flavour to a freaking t-shirt or hoody that no one has thought of using because it's just not cool on its own.

We have outfits that are literally a shirt or top with tac vest or harness, yes. But they are locked together. I want the harness to be available on its own with near unlimited options.

THE FINALS already provides so much variety, and the #🔥┇drip-check is proof of that. So why not add some more to it?

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground. Don't nerf cl40.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed,they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[wheat torrent]

wallhack event makes it harder to catch cheaters for a whole week

[versed vault]

new/better anti cheat please

[austere vector]

NEW GAME EVENT SUCKS SO BAD , NOT ONLY CAN EVERYBODY SEE WHERE I AM , BUT I CANT FUCKING SEE ANYTHING BECAUSE THIS DUMB GREEN UI

[grizzled osprey]

I AGREE

[fast lion]

Make a discord channel where people can suggest which weapons they want to see next seasons, and based on what you like or what would make sense, make a pol and 3 most voted for weapons get picked

[rotund gust]

THE FINALS IS THE BEST GAME EVER
Can we please get an 'effects' customisation tab so that we can remove the 0110100101001010101 effect on the battlepass mythic skins and choose other ones to use!
We got 'nails' as a freaking customisation option for Nama Tamas sake!

[slender girder]

Invest in better servers or sth.

If I play the game with wired connection I am often a second behind my enemies on my native server. And if I go wifi the game freezes for a second regularly.

Why should anyone pay money for that, or even play?

[wispy ivy]

they really should split up the types of feedback. individual channels for new equipment, LTMs, general balance, cosmetics, etc, or turn this channel into a threads channel with tags... however i do not think they ever read this channel, i know i wouldnt want to if i worked on this game

[wind ember]

PLEASE NERF THE CL 😭

[worldly pumice]

Please allow team spawning closer to a cashout if the other cashout is very close to completion. It is very annoying getting a spawn closer to a cashout that we have no chance of getting when the other cashout is 50%-80% done where we'd have a chance of getting if we spawned closer. Especially if it's the last cashouts of the match.

[tame vessel]

Here is a list of weapons that need to be buffed but not make them meta in the next balance patch

Spear: increase the basic attack damage combo to 70, 80, 95 and increase the spin attack damage to either 120 or 130

KS-23: increase the projectile speed to 500m/s and decrease the fire rate to 73 RPM and increase the player damage to 120

Riot shield: increase the swing speed by a little and increase the movement speed when blocking

R.357:Increase the bodyshot damage to 75 and decrease the headshot multiplier to 1.9 therefore making it 75 × 1.9=142.5 and also decrease the fire rate by a little bit maybe from 140 to 130 or just increase the fire rate to 160 RPM

Dual blades: add a parry mechanic so it can parry secondary attacks of all melee weapons like the sledgehammers overhead charge and it can also parry the primary attacks and increase the first swing damage from 50 to 55, increase the second swing damage from 60 to 65 and increase the final attack damage from 65 to 75 and make it so the final attack can be done faster and increase the movement speed when deflecting by just a little bit

AKM: increase magazine capacity to 34, 35 or 36, the choice is yours on what number you choose

ARN-220: decrease the duration of the tactical reload animation from 2.45s to 2.30s, decrease the duration of the full reload animation from 2.80s to 2.60s

Data Reshaper: increase the charges from 2 to 3 and decrease the cooldown from 26s to 20s

please, please Embark these weapons and gadget need some love
Hopefully someone at Embark sees this, these emojis will highlight the message so you can see them 🥇:🤠🤯😵:⚽️:grinning:😆🙃😇🫠

[devout spindle]

i want a neo coat

[orchid flame]

im so tired of these gimic weapons just making the game less skill based. invis light db is really hard to use i think

[polar ermine]

jsut so YOU the developers are aware you removed an ability called Recon because it was broken, it made the game feel bad to play so why on earth would you re-implement the ability in the form of an event.
There's stupid decisions then there's the repeated stupid decisions you make seemingly every damn season, just put a test environment up at this point, hell, JUST ASK.

[cedar cave]

please make this distorted model by switching from medium to heavy a feature 😭🙏

[wraith igloo]

Turn this fkn wallhack event off

[little swan]

the new s7 map seems to cause even more crash than Kyoto when it was first introduced, can you tone down the effects and do an optimize pass please
also can u not use orange or neon pink as map color, so hard to see people at some areas, surely there must be some other colors in store

[gilded shale]

Hello,
I just wanted to share some feedback about the coin system used to unlock previous Battle Pass skins. The amount of coins required is quite high especially for someone who has missed three seasons. It takes an exhausting number of games to earn enough, and it can feel overwhelming.

Since we’ve already paid for each Battle Pass to reopen them, would it be possible to introduce missions or alternative ways to earn the coins more easily? It would really help players catch up without feeling burned out.

Thank you for considering this!

[spring stream]

embark pls nerf flame so hard

[torn canyon]

Yeah, it's a one-week event that's technically applied to everyone, but the way it works in WT ends up making the skill gap way more obvious. It just makes the whole thing feel more exhausting to play than usual.

[ember breach]

Remove the ultimate BP in the next season, issue an apology for this excessively predatory tactic, and boycott the game until they do this. I know F2P games need revenue, but there are lines. This isn't about me, it's about knowing a scummy tactic when I see one. This is an ethical stance.

[nocturne stirrup]

There is still freeze screen randomly appearing.... Please fix this :(... Rarly but still there on s7

[feral shard]

Day 30 requesting a Coin toss emote (only with "The Finals" icon, not a head or tails emote)

It will be a hand emote for the left hand (As every other hand emote) which tosses a coin (With a very satisfaction sound effect, like the ULTRAKILL's one) and then grab it in the air and the emote finishes

It would be so cool since, the enemies get coined, it would be a very gentle but cool flex

Hope Embark takes note of this, we need it in the game, I would pay for it

(Also, please add more hand emotes, I love them)

[wise rain]

https://youtu.be/WcmMi2H5o38?si=fnT57oXbNuTfTgZj

I think the best way to form my thoughts is this:

You want the finals to be a game centered around emrgent gameplay. We have the best physics FPS around with nearly full destruction. No two games are the same and you have the most creative freedom to taking fights in any game ever. So i question why you nerf everything that enables creative gameplay while keeping one note boring options on the table.
In a vaccum, sledge might seem BS because it has one shot capabilities.
This would be true if there werent such a low TTK at range and burst range weapons like the SH didnt exist. This is heavy's highest TTK option in response to other roles having one shots but more than that its a one shot with the drawback of being close to someone which can be overcome by being through a wall. Winch is why everyone hated sledge NOT sledge itself.
Its hard to see your vision of emergent gameplay when you seem to not support any other gameplay styles other than apex legends level aimlabs and high ground camping.
Secondly, your patch schedule is the slowest Ive ever seen. What you had season 0 was an amazing patch schedule but STILL you took too long to nerf nuke and EVERYONE who hated it hasnt touched the game since. Your balance decisions have seemingly helped the game massively at times only for you to take several long jumps back and we have to wait ages for you to fix it again.
Weapons like the dual blades have barely gotten adknowlwdgement as you seem to have forgotten about the weapon or dont care about it and the riot shield remains a low tier pick with SEVERAL issues. But the knife, an already low tier weapon with pretty small reward when compared to most of light's one shot low ttk kit, being able to backstab gadgets and goo is a step too far? I fail to see the unbiased buffs from your balance team

[cobalt kernel]

Add iron sights to sniper rifle and buff hitscan range by 10 meters

CL40 needs nerf to projectile speed and travel distance mainly, It was pretty slow before but you overtuned the heck out of it, damage is fine i guess if you fix that

Buff breach charge fuse time, takes forever to explode

Buff Pyro grenade AOE

Buff Reshaper recharge time greatly, or give third charge back

BRING BACK BANK IT

Remove Quick Cash for it

[strange matrix]

separating this body paint into a face paint and body paint would be really appreciated, i kinda wanna use them on male characters but then i'd have to wear a fully enclosed helmet or facemask

[cyan torrent]

new heavy healing ball has wonky hit detection when throwing it at enemies, sometimes it clearly hit them but does no damage

[crisp parrot]

Please do NOT nerf c tier "fun" weapons like the CL and just start buffing alternatives please

[exotic anvil]

You’d think the game becomes unplayable without the Ultimate Battle Pass, but it’s really just an optional upgrade for players who’ve already been regularly buying the Battle Pass. It’s not something you’re forced to get. Maybe just be honest and say you’re upset because you want the Ultimate rewards but can’t afford them with your usual MB grind.

[cobalt parcel]

pls dont X_D

[native perch]

The sniper rifle does NOT need iron sights. And the reason bank it was removed is because it was easily the least played game mode and they wanted to make room for more modes

[real ether]

APS surviving 5 Projectiles is an absolutely vile change. Wit hall the begging for nerfs to the CL-40 aside, I hope people can understand how, plopping down a gadget should not eat an entire clip of a weapon that reloads ammo one by one. Literally pumping all your shots into the APS and then reloading in hopes to do at best 100 damage, if you even live that long is just not the way...

[rough finch]

Also fix spawning 200m from our own cashout

[nova mica]

I never complain, I love EVERYTHING you do Embark, your balancing is great, love low gravity, love kyoto, etc.

That said, this hack event is not it. It’s incredibly distracting, glass is impossible to see, I miss other details, it’s just terrible.

Please patch this before the next update, at LEAST reduce the frequency. It makes me want to just play quick cash or something

[shut aspen]

I’m a simple guy. I ask for Embark to give us the option to change our reticle color on our sights and then I sit and wait until they patch it in 🧍🏿‍♂️

[zealous pulsar]

this healing meta is fucking insufferable, i'll get someone to 1 hp (which is now VERY common given the recent melee nerfs) and immediately their rat light teammate will pop in and heal their entire healthbar back in .1 seconds

[halcyon patio]

I agree heal meta is so ass. Power shift just casually has 2-3 healing balls with defibs if a team is milking the meta. Now that mediums dont carry the heal beam they also put down turrets

[broken crest]

Dear EMBARK TEAM
Dear EMBARK TEAM I have one thing to say about your patchotes we real the last patchotes are right against Mele Weapons properly shit I see no one wants the weapons that the weapons are generated as Z. Dagger or Hammer and Sword (except Appoh) But they do it anyway they only lose your players because that annoys. That's why I ask you to BUFF the weapons again especially hammer and sword in the next UPDATE thank you

[fading sinew]

Embark,

Can you please fix the wall issue I mentioned before. I set a token down to revive a teammate and it literally went through the base of the map and was stuck there. It forced my teammate to use a coin during the match when he didn't have to.

You know server issues are still running rampant so I hope you fix them soon. I laid waste to someone stealing a cashout and they received no damage. At first, I thought I missed but even my random teammate said something.

Goo gun needs something done to it. It is crazy someone can make a goo fortress to include gooing up the cashout that you can't get to.

Cl40 needs something done to it. I'm not asking for a nerf but I will say this when I have to play a little more serious when I'm with my friends, there is no way I'm running a light class. The lights are getting absolutely murdered in the lobbies. I've seen full medium teams all running gl just dominating. I'm not saying this just from experience, but from many other players getting tired of seeing like 5 or 6 grenade launchers in the lobby.

Lastly, when a medium uses a defib, I should be able to shoot the silhouette if I'm in view. Fighting mediums with triple defibs isn't even about the objective anymore. It turns into a straight slayer match that can last a few minutes, depending on the skill levels of the teams.

Oh, and I almost forgot the most important thing that I wanted to mention.

Wallhack event is absolutely positively the most terrible idea you have ever created. It's not even fun. I feel like I'm playing some random match in halo with radar. There are certain gadgets I don't even use because of the event. Also, people are chasing so hard now they can see you. I am also guilty of it, but people will chase you across the map as long as radar is on. And it makes the visuals so obscur.

Take it off a.s.a.p. because it is just horrible.

[raven falcon]

Matchmaking is cooked. Our Team was Gold and Low Plat and we got matched against 3x 57k players who were Top 1, Top 2 and Top 8

[crisp abyss]

nerf CL-40 pls

[inland maple]

nerf cl-40

[misty zephyr]

I love this game to death but MAN PLEASE fix the servers. I promise we wont be mad if we have to wait a few days for server updates or to add additional servers.

[graceful tapir]

Full scale layouts to the balancing team would really help this game

[teal crag]

REMOVE CL-40

[upper citrus]

nothing removed from the players who don’t buy it

completely additional and optional purchase, did not increase the price of the bp

“THIS IS UNETHICAL!!!”

[coral seal]

embark please buff some other weapons espacially on medium to reduce cl 40 usage and nerf the thing at least a bit, its just an annoying no skill weapon. Im not a melee player but even i can see that every melee weapon rn is at best barelly viable. Sledge nerf wasnt needed the winch claw was the problem, u should be punished for challenging a melee player in melee range and not just be forced into ur death by a claw that drags u into their range. Some weapons on heavy also deserve some love and buffs like the lewis gun. please start giving more underapreciated weapons skins, mostly on light, why do m11 and the sniper get 5 million skins while lh1 for example gets one per season. to be concrete, buff the cerb back to were it was but dont make it onshot lights and increase the reload time and revert the xp nerf and tune the fire rate back. Ak also needs a buff easily worst weapon on medium

[neat yoke]

wadahell a good take LISTEN TO THIS MAN

[pliant lichen]

You genuinely need to do something about CL-40, Embark. 800 hours in the game and I have literally never seen a more concerningly high presence weapon in my games. It is honest to say that you see it literally every game at this point. This is bad, actually. Really bad. Like even the XP-54 and Cerberus craze was never this bad. This is not okay right now.

[rustic tinsel]

Do you even know what you mean by “increased usage”? It means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed.It’s not like it just became OP and people started using it.
Stop nerf. You’re patching the game straight into the ground. Don't nerf cl40.
If you make other weapons viable, their usage will naturally go up while the usage of the previously dominant ones goes down. That’s what you’re supposed to do.
If all you do is nerf things, the game just turns into a water gun fight.

The only useful thing about the Sledge nerf is that it finally helped 'most people with basic human reasoning' realize how absurd the Sword damage nerf was.
Anyone who has tried using the Hammer after this patch knows it's completely trash now.
And that's exactly what happened to the Sword.

Nerfing melee dmg is the same as saying “don’t use it.”
Sword and hammer are melee weapon. It requires some form of high dmg output in order to compete with other weapons in close range.

I just want to clarify, I'm not saying any of the weapons needs nerf.
I just want MELEE weapon and underperforming weapon to actually be USABLE.
Fix the damage. Im tired of weapons getting nerfed simply because people dislike it(cause skill issue).

Yours literlly said,"we’re going to continue to monitor the Sword and explore some alternative changes that might allow us to nudge the lunge damage back up".And yet, there’s been zero follow-up. No balancing, no communication, nothing.So the sword gets ignored for an entire season, and now you're targeting the sledge hammer instead?

You must stop listening to nerf parrots.There’s no end to the nerf parrots’ whining. When something they wanted nerfed without any real balance reason(dislike cause skill issue) gets nerfed,they just move on to whine about the next thing.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[sacred siren]

Just say you're poor and you can't borrow your mom's credit card and your jealous of people that can actually buy it.
It's completely optional and doesn't affect anything in the game, and there's only 5 skins or something.

[wicked ocean]

delete kyoto. delete the no fun to play against aoe spam lag machines. you know what the right thing to do is, just do it.

[random garden]

yup ive watched my friends not be able to track perfectly quit trying this game after two sessions even though they saw potential in the game

[wheat wyvern]

The people asking for no cl40 nerfs are the kind who can't aim to save their lives and need a meta crutch.

I'm tired of elitist takes from ruby players and twitch streamers who want to keep their meta comp, and trying to denounce other's opinions by claiming they're light players. I'm a medium complaining about this, what's your next bs excuse?

You say " cl40 has the lowest dps" hahaha no. Fcar and akm doesn't beat it, even hitting headshots. I've seen ruby players switch to cl40 when they get wiped once.

What's your reasoning why it shouldn't get nerfed? "It's a gimmick weapon" ok, why are we seeing cl40 on every team, sometimes two on a team? Kinda weird how it's becoming a go to for a gimmick weapon! "Use APS" hahahahahahaha, that weak thing????
"Just stay on higher ground!" Mediums have jump pad, zipline, demat, and now breach drill. They can get to you easily.

Twk, that's a weak reason. Medium weapons are fine, you gotta hit your shots. Unlike cl40, where you can barely miss but get full damage on multiple people anyways.

[fathom aurora]

CL-40 is fine, the "high" usage is because medium only get weapons nerfed, cerb is mid, ak should be a good weapon bc of his name and its just a pee shooter worse in every way than any of light guns, model is mid, revolver hit reg is trash. So instead of making med even worse nerfing cl maybe give other weapons some love and the cl usage is going to be reduced.

[quaint portal]

Melee is not viable currently and Embark is taking every step to make it even less viable with each balance patch. I thought this game was supposed to be different to other shooters, but it is slowly becoming a battlefield/COD clone with a few gimmick gadgets and abilities. Sad to see.
Embark, stop taking advice from sweaty, cringe streamers that only play with guns, and focus on the aspect that make you game unique and fun.
Stop nerfing playstyle and build variety for the sake of renegade COD players, THEY ARE NOT YOUR AUDIENCE.

shotgun oneshots light at close range
Embark: 😄
Any Melee weapon oneshots a light at close range
Embark: 😡

Gotta love this logic, balance team.

Anyways,

Hey, Embark, can we get more colors for the basic tank tops? Maybe Red or Blue? Ty! Love the game! (balance it properly, plz)

[dusty igloo]

Ah sure at first you decided that melee cant hit through goo, and next its that melee cant go through shields, LETS MAKE MELEE EVEN FUCKING WORSE WHY DONT WE, WHAT WILL BE NEXT. LETS REMOVE ITS ABILITY TO HIT THROUGH WINDOWS, HOW ABOUT IT CANT HIT THROUGH FIRE, GAS, SMOKE, THATS THE ONLY LOGICAL THING TO YOU APPARENTLY, NERF IT MORE AND MORE AND NEVER INCLUDE IT IN THE GOD DAMN PATCH NOTES.
PLEASE, JUST ANY COMMUNICATION, I love this game, I want to continue loving it, but so many things are introduced, I dont know if they are bugs or not, just make a page "known bugs" and put things you are working towards in it, have any sort of communication

[zinc oasis]

The people asking for CL40 nerfs are complete scrubs with no positioning skills that don’t know how to counter the easiest to beat weapon in the game. Learn how to change up play styles and use a little movement some day

[marble osprey]

bring back 180 backstabs, and buff sword secondary attack damage to atleast 110

[upper bridge]

The music fading out with explosions is cranked up a lil too much no?

[round isle]

Would like to see a “danger room” 100m sphere where a central building materializes or whatever then phases to another after a given time frame. Also hazards. Would be great for tdm!

And left handed mode please. You just need to mirror the imagery. So easy!

[hallow wyvern]

Secondary to 110 at least are mad lad 😂😂

[pseudo leaf]

servers are still bad. You can notice the no regs while playing a tap weapons like lh1, pike, revolver. You can see the coins coming from the enemy.

[topaz jungle]

Speaking on that…a danger sector, like the movie Battle Royale, would be pretty interesting

[sterile canopy]

I think that sword right click damage 105 -> 115, in conjunction with a 360°/s limit on player camera rotation during the portion of the animation in which the damage hitbox is active would be a nice change to the sword. Would make it more viable while being a bit less… silly with the spinning.

[versed hazel]

really dont like the new wt event lol

[analog glacier]

NERF CL40!

[steel parrot]

What are you talking about bro

[hazy vessel]

Nerf cl40

[final solar]

nerf cl *

[fervent citrus]

Just finished and won a TDM against a triple CL40 team using sledge. Honestly, people just need to learn how to fight against it and it's practically useless. Just change up your play style for once is it so hard to do? Bring aps or ask a teammate to, high ground, literally just out damage them, get in their face to make them deal self damage alot, or rather just be nerf parrots.

Adapt and swim or sink and complain. Ya'lls choice.

[drifting belfry]

Please never balance your game for the "I main <insert archetype here>, pls nerf this nerf that" people ever again 🙏
Healing meta needs tuning tho.

[drifting topaz]

• NERF CL40

• NERF DB

[hearty hatch]

Fix melee. Thanks.

If you won't change damage values, perhaps change animations and speed for attacks. Perhaps that's the balance you're looking for.

At least acknowledge something about balance. You guys have been silent for a while.

💀

[cursive sinew]

Medium shotgun rework proposal

Right now both Cerberus and Model 1887 are quite meh in their current state.
The Model is supposed to be a medium range, precise mediocre damage dealing weapon, that is not really good at anything really, bcs it pumps too slow to kill Lights, is a dice roll against Mediums and deals too little damage to outshoot most heavies. It has insanely tight spread and low damage drop off, but it has low RoF and long reload time, and feels clunky in CQB.

The Cerberus is supposed to be a short range Light killer, with almost zero range and a gimmick dragonbreath rounds, which in its current iteration provide very few benefits (except ofc burning goo).

Solution? Switch them up!
Lets change how these two weapons fundamentally work. Rework the Model into a close range Light killer by increasing the amount of pellets it fires, drastically increase the spread (similarly to how the DB works) and decrease the effective range to that of the current Cerberus. It should now be able to kill Lights at extremely close distances as long as all pellets connect (so basically if you hug them in a doorway), but shouldnt be able to perform well at range.

Rework the Cerberus to be a medium range precise poke weapon, utilizing the afterburn. Increase the range to that of the current model, tighten the spread and increase the burn time, so that getting poked by the Cerberus hinders your HP regen more than getting hit by a standart bullet (while keeping the burn damage as it is). The Cerberus should now be able to inflict serious damage at decent range and keep those it hits out of combat for longer.

The weapons should now be more balanced and interesting to use than they currently are...

[flat bough]

Hello,
I’d like to suggest adding a refund system for in-game item purchases.

I recently made an accidental purchase of an item in the game and realized there is no option to return or refund it. I understand that refund policies may vary, but I believe it would be very helpful for players to have a way to undo unintended purchases—at least within a short time frame or under specific conditions, such as if the item hasn't been used.

Many other games already offer similar systems, and they greatly improve the user experience by reducing frustration when mistakes happen during purchases or when an item isn’t what the player expected.

[hearty bough]

Agree that the CL40 pick rate is high, but if we’re being objective / data-driven here, I’m almost positive that the TTK for all ARs is significantly faster compared to the max TTK of CL40, at least against mediums and heavies

[plush fjord]

We need cooler looking explosions.

Theyre already awesome, but right now the explosions seem to have a bit more smoke and dust and not the **orange-red tint you'd expect from an explosion. **

And then whenever you'd get an explosion, you'd think its light would reflect a bit off of windows and your screen.

The picture below shows the kind of thing I'm talking about. Explosions will look way better if this kinda upgrad is implemented.

Thanks Embark.

[rustic tusk]

Kill effects would be a cool addition

[brave copper]

This isn't an argument that cl40 is fine how it is. It just proves TTK isn't the only think that matters. Cl40 completely counters lights and medium melee and anything deployed such as glitch mines. And honestly the self damage multiplier is way too forgiving compared to any other explosives.

It doesn't have to have a good ttk because its a low effort/ consequence AOE and a strong counter pick to several options. This is why its high pick rate. And honestly fighting more than 1 cl40 is pretty cancerous.

[thick sorrel]

TTK is not the only indicator. You do damage with shitty aim. And you don't get punished ENOUGH for shooting your feets. Thats the problem.

[night dawn]

What about adding vocals to the soundtrack? A good example of how that could work https://youtu.be/vfnf_VyL-dE

[upbeat pulsar]

😂

[cerulean jungle]

🤣

[serene kraken]

Cl40 needs a rework. Thats my feedback. It isn’t cool enough or fun enough for me to use it and it’s annoying having to pivot halfway through every game to counter it.
Thank you for an awesome game though.

[urban sail]

Make megaultra heavy a song you hear when queuing for a game on the season 2 soundtrack

[pallid steeple]

Is it just me or has the movement slowly gotten less responsive since the game was launched? Using specialty sometimes feels slow, have they incorporated delays into things? Could just be me of course.

[sonic arrow]

"nerf cl40"

Y'all say this weapon requires "no aim" when it fires a projectile with a sharp curve, the thing is pathetic at ranges greater than 20 meters.

And because of that projectile arc, allow me to also say that high ground is a hard counter to any cl40

Self damage isn't high enough? Why do you need the cl40 to kill themselves for you? This almost sounds like a drumroll SKILL ISSUE!

Y'all cant really cry for nerfs when it's one of the simplest weapons to counter in the game, just because it isn't a full automatic rifle doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed

[cedar cave]

small QoL change for the stickers: it often happens that the cashout [or cash box] flips to the side and the sticker becomes basically visible, maybe putting stickers like slapping them on 4 different areas from 4 sides would be a nice change to make them more visible

[dark niche]

buff reshaper!! third charge or at least a bit extra range would be really nice

[random bronze]

I have a really good idea for a medium gadget. ill be posting everyday about it untill it gets recognized. So think Just Cause 3/4. I think that there should be a gadget that has 2 deployable jet thrusters that are pretty small. They would interact with cashouts and other items. they push in whatever direction they were placed in and you can have a remote to activate them and deactivate them until the fuel is depleeted. Medium has needed a new gadget for a WHILE. Im someone who plays a lot with dematerializer, and that adds a lot of vertical gameplay with the cashout. you can move it down or up with jumpads and what not. but there is almost NO horizontal play in this game (around the OBJ at least) i think this would GREATLY add to the game and provide an entirely new way to play this game. PLEASE react to this with an emoji or something to help get this attention if you like the idea.

[balmy goblet]

winch claw can move cash out btw bro

[white surge]

please change the cl40 to do more splash damage to yourself. Why is a cl40 user allowed to bomb their own feet and still come out on top. Or make it deal reduced damage to allies, so they cant spam it on objective.

[inland maple]

Bring terminal attack ranked back

[craggy otter]

DAILY REPLY TO MY POST.

[stray mirage]

I feel like we dont have enough contestant slots tbh

I want to make more loadouts

[tender sail]

Please put out some job listings for developers to replace your circus of monkeys

[bold ocean]

The only issue I have with the CL40 is the blowback hits me when the blast is 5 meters away but my opponents can literally launch it at their own feet and not take damage...? Like what in the actual?

[cobalt kernel]

Add iron sights to sniper rifle, buff hitscan range by 10 meters

CL40 needs nerf to projectile speed and travel distance mainly, It was pretty slow before but you overtuned the heck out of it, damage is fine i guess if you fix that

Buff breach charge fuse time, takes forever to explode

Buff Pyro grenade AOE

Buff Reshaper recharge time greatly, or give third charge back

BRING BACK BANK IT

Remove Quick Cash for it, i am serious and don't care how "popular" it is. This 3rd party gank fest was a filler mode during closed beta and has outlived it's purpose a looong time ago. actively keeps people away from WT/Ranked'

[echo oak]

good game

[ripe trail]

Please add comprehensive stats or support for tracker pages. I’m a nerd and want to see how I’ve wasted my time.

[primal sierra]

I honestly don’t care if you nerf cl40 just bring dagger back 😔

[supple mortar]

so... sword revert when?

[sly sphinx]

Real

[indigo thorn]

embark buff back the medium weapons and nerf the grenade launchers to oblivion please, playing any class isn't really fun anymore since lobbies are full of smooth brain medium with only the cl jumping around more then a gmod player on Escobar Special

[rigid shale]

🤡

[potent pawn]

Add a virtual extension skin to the anti-gravity cube so it looks like its real life counterpart

[queen bane]

WTF are you supposed to do agains't this. the healing ball is bullshit is should never been added to the game
@untold venture imagine playing world tour and not being able to change from medium to light 🤡 imagine having a glitch grenade in medium 🤡

[rustic tinsel]

When a specific weapon shows increased usage, it means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed. It’s not like it suddenly became OP and people started using it.
Nerfs are not the only way to balance a game. Buffs are a perfectly valid option.

Damage nerfs need to stop. Start buffing things instead.
Melee damage nerfs aren’t solving a problem. They’re just removing melee from the game. Melee has to hit a certain damage threshold to even be viable. Melee obviously dies if it can't kill enemies at close range, so it doesn’t help the team at all. If you nerf its damage, it naturally becomes useless.

please, stop with the nonsense about nerfing damage for the sake of Light. That doesn’t help only Light. It affects every class and ends up making weapons useless.
If you can’t kill a Light, you definitely won’t be killing Medium and Heavy. What’s meant to help Light usually ends up favoring Medium and Heavy more.

Melee weapons need to be strong at close range. Just like melee can never compete against guns at long range, it only makes sense that melee should win up close. That’s the basic logic.

About Double Barrel, you nerfed it, then reverted. Because Light has low HP, so high DPS is justified. Double Barrel is only viable up close, and it needs to 2-tap Heavy. That balance was correct. so reverted.
The same goes for Sword. It’s the same mistake as with Double Barrel. Sword was built around close-range and Light’s low health.it required specific damage combinations for each classes.

Light should die to lunge + quick melee,
Medium to 2 lunges or lunge + quick melee + left click,
Heavy to double (lunge + quick melee) or 2 lunges + left click.
That was balanced. Sword’s lunge must deal 140 dmg.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[untold venture]

have you ever used a glitch grenade in your life

[bold berry]

Im quiting this game soon if we don't have a patch to nerf or balance the CL40.. This is not fun just to die from out of know where.. just boom boom boom.. and ur dead.. where is the direction arrow for the damage?.. how can we fight back.. yes, run to them sure, by the time I get there we are dead..

With the Meta Heal( no one asked for this, 6 seasons in after neerfing the healing beem, why do this? ) and this stupid CL40 you are forcing us to play with certain comps and do certain types of tasks.. i'm trying to play this to have fun. I don't want to play with the CL40 just because I can get more kills.. I want balanced games, where I can have a 50% shot vs a CL40.. 3/4 shots now im dead.. and he can still kill a Light with the same magazine probably.

Stop nerfing everything until you make these type of weapons completly OP.. most of the times we don't even see them until we are almost dead.. I'm about to quit the game if it keeps like this. Why why why?

[tame vessel]

Here is a list of weapons that need to be buffed but not make them meta in the next balance patch

Spear: increase the basic attack damage combo to 70, 80, 95 and increase the spin attack damage to either 120 or 130

KS-23: increase the projectile speed to 500m/s and decrease the fire rate to 73 RPM and increase the player damage to 120

Riot shield: increase the swing speed by a little and increase the movement speed when blocking

R.357: increase the fire rate from 140 to 160 RPM

Dual blades: add a parry mechanic so it can parry secondary attacks of all melee weapons (except riot shield and dual blades bc both weapons have a blocking mechanic) like the sledgehammers overhead charge and increase the first swing damage from 50 to 55, increase the second swing damage from 60 to 65 and increase the final attack damage from 65 to 75 and make it so the final attack can be done faster and increase the movement speed when deflecting by just a little bit

AKM: increase magazine capacity to 34, 35 or 36, the choice is yours on what number you choose

ARN-220: decrease the duration of the tactical reload animation from 2.45s to 2.30s, decrease the duration of the full reload animation from 2.80s to 2.60s

Data Reshaper: increase the charges from 2 to 3 and decrease the cooldown from 26s to 20s

please, please Embark these weapons and gadget need some love
Hopefully someone at Embark sees this, these emojis will highlight the message so you can see them 🥇:🤠🤯😵:⚽️:grinning:😆🙃😇🫠

[torn canyon]

Sure. Then go tell the people calling the Ultimate Battle Pass is a 'scummy cash grab' that it's literally just a purchase option — no one's being forced to buy it. Yeah, it’s just an option, bro. Saying the Ultimate Battle Pass should be removed because you think it’s unethical is basically trying to take away the freedom of people who want it to stay — or want to buy it. Next time you want to make a point, at least come up with a better excuse

[celest egret]

Cl-40 just needs a slight self-damage multiplier raise. It's not that broken, just use an APS and you're chilling, no booms will hurt you. APS is really good utility as well, I don't know why people insist that one weapon dominates the entire sandbox. There's a reason there's multiple ways to play a game, especially in the finals. Get creative

[gloomy cradle]

We tried repeatedly running straight at the enemy and nothing has worked. We’re all out of options

@echo urchin Wish every game had super customizable controller options. Lemme get creative if I wanna do something wacky that works for my brain let me do it

[echo urchin]

Can we choose to have reload and picking up objects be separate buttons?! Or double bind things if we want? Primary fire and reload being the same button would be nice.

It’s just really annoying when I’m trying to quickly pick something up but I start reloading and then force the pick up and then I’ stuck in the reload animation.

[modest patio]

can we have fidget items in THE FINALS akin to heirlooms in APEX or knives from CS2/Valorant? i just want something to switch to and fidget with randomly instead of just fidgeting with my weapon inspect

[untold hazel]

make winch not go through shield?????

[peak escarp]

I understand that it was not quite the most popular mode but I must plead my case

Bank it. While bank it was removed due its decline in popularity but please accept my following postulation :

People who played bank it were the super casual, chill, wanting to take a break out of a stressful day sort of people. I would like to postulate that the decline in players was due to the start of academic years which have ended as of now. I am not the only person who has recently returned to the game only to be disappointed by this 😞

Bank it was like the dream for me, it was why I played the finals. The ultimate call of duty "free for all" game mode replacement. Gone 😞

Also i LOOOVE that you can choose which season's music in the settings <3 i love stardust from s3, is there a way to specifically pick certain tracks from seasons as well?

[slow fog]

Dumbass take ngl CL40 does 125 damage to yourself if aimed at your feet which is half your hp instantly gone.

This is exactly the type of person who shouldn't be allowed to type here. We need to buff the CL40 and rank lock the feedback channel to prevent bronze players from giving me cancer

[odd hare]

the fact that triple heavy is viable is discusting in my own opinion. The game is about less strategy at this point.

[zinc oasis]

It’s not

[ember breach]

I just don't think enticing people to lick boots in order to complete a battle pass is a very nice way to treat your players. It wouldn't have affected me any way because I rarely even buy the ordinary battle pass. I just think it's wrong on principle.

[tranquil marlin]

GUYS REMOVE THIS SHITTY WH EVENT!!!! Hurts every gameplay 😦

[still vortex]

Talk about how annoying reaching the final round on world tour and your team mate decide to log out or just freeze

[digital chasm]

Yeah! The Xpose event in WorldTour? It’s so bad!
Wall hack is destroying all tactical gameplay. This season is chaotic over the point of what’s fun to play🤨

[ashen bloom]

it would be cool to show player cards before jumping into a game. to see what your team mates are like. maybe also let one change what stats are shown

[wintry crow]

would be cool to change scopes mid game if possible or like between rounds for ranked or wt

[faint saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1306638781901701141/1388141139680301158/ezgif-71cc2e344d75d5.gif

[vale acorn]

Buff the KS-23, give it faster reload, two extra bullets or even allow to put a red dot sight on top

[pearl cairn]

Make it able to be applied to teammates as well

[frozen tree]

Here we go again (I’m sorry I keep repeating this it’s just easier than coming up with new stuff each time)

Big wishlist:
Revert sword nerf (PLEASE give it 140 lunge damage, it needs it)
Revert dagger nerf (let it backstab turrets again, and increase the angle)
Revert sledge nerf (at least the left click part)
Also with the sledge buff, nerf winch! It’s the problem!
Let riot shield block/reduce damage from explosions
Increase dual blades deflection accuracy
Increase CL-40 self damage and make the projectile slower, to allow time to react
Make breach drill faster and a maybe a bigger explosion
Bring back grenade grappling, and make it easier
Make m11 a close range option, XP a mid range one, and ARN a longer range one. Same thing with AKM, FCAR, and famas, respectively
Make heal ball not regenerate cooldown until destroyed
Nerf h+ healing a bit
Fix performance and freezing
Let us unlock the ultimate battlepass rewards as the $20 tier, and the 20 extra levels be part of the $30
There may be more, but this is what I think for now, and I’m open to suggestions and (constructive) criticism

[jade blaze]

Bring back Bank it, nerf cl, remove the new event, this new season is unplayable

[jagged vapor]

i find it super annoying that flame thrower and perma revved up minigun has little to no counter play other than shields cuz 90% percent of flamethrower players just use winch and get a free 90 damage plus 60 with afterburn so even when you are out of range its such a pain to fight them without just sniping them from 20m+ before even engaging

[vestal tendon]

If you have 50 out of 50 show tokens with every past battlepass unlocked we should be able to spend that 50 to unlock the next battlepass early. Thoughts?

[bright pivot]

please fix matchmaking i got into a match that got me teammates that cant hit a single bullet and died to an emerald player

[primal frost]

i believe you can already block explosive damage, you just have to have the explosive hit the riot shield directly, or look directly at for example a nade

[slow jasper]

Maybe drop their platform

[vagrant skiff]

Do they even reading what We write here ?

[hollow badger]

add emerald gadget skins

[dark niche]

give reshaper an extra charge and maybe a bit more range pls <333
@vagrant skiff yah they do..for example sword got nerfed because nobody would shut up about it for like a month

[hazy skiff]

Buff the melees, they feel very unviable rn

[molten jackal]

Need to nerf the "Double Swords" block capability for Mediums. I literally just had a medium sit and forever block me. That's not cool. At the very least let the Heavy's Mesh Shield block that damage..

[ocean parrot]

ADD BLACK EYEPATCH

[shrewd echo]

As you know the medium sentry gun was designed for automatic aim firing. I am suggesting we have an upgrade ability where the medium loses all gadget slots and upgrades the sentry gun to a faster set-up high rate of fire auto-cannon. If I was allowed to develop video game items in-game, I would call it, "THE AUTO-CANNON UPGRADE." Allowing the user to turn their opponents into ground beef with the allowance of losing gadget slots.

[sterile canopy]

It's a pretty poor weapon. There is a ton of counterplay, if that's all they were doing then they would have been a sitting duck to any of it.

[fierce valve]

Give mgl 1 more damage plz

[dreamy badge]

This feedback channel is illegible, full of children, and I doubt it is ever viewed by anyone on the development team save for a passerby. Perhaps one day we can offer a different venue for feedback that requires video showcasing specific issues that is based on a system of trust so truely good notes dont go so easily unnoticed, while all the useless lava can be differed to the void without causing much interference.

[muted basalt]

This game is at his worst state ever. This dev Team does a horrible job in rankied. Teaming is still the only way to win. This game devs are not able to ban players who obvius team. Since then 90% of top 500 would be baned

[sterile yew]

still finding cheaters pls fix even tho i know u wont just do something

[grand crow]

Day 1 of asking for goo barrels to maintain their momentum when broken in mid air.
I want to launch giant balls of goo :)

[mellow narwhal]

So are we ever gonna address smoke thermal being an insanely broke combo to have on 1 class like smoke is already insane as a way to disorientate your enemies but having thermal on a class with the fastest ttk is a really bad balance design either make thermal a special or remove smokes from lights

[crisp parrot]

Buff model reload and cerb afterburn

[spice stag]

performance on the update is awful and the new world tour event might be the most unfun the game has ever played

[thorn kelp]

Can we drop TA for the fact that even though healing goes strictly against TA rules, you can still do it with the Healing Barrels?

Bank It is a way more beginner friendly gamemode anyways and please stop comparing it to TDM

[sonic salmon]

if the heavy shield has a cooldown so should the goo gun. shoot 30 and have a 30 sec cooldown before you can use it again

[sacred glacier]

get rid of the stupid hackout thing where everyone can see thru walls, or make it an event like low grav. no reason for it to happen so often or happen at all. unneeded change

[sage blade]

We need an ancient Egypt theme for next season very much like the Aztec season we got on 5 (and obviously add Giza as the main map)

[round isle]

I take what I said back about the cl40. I just had a heavy machine gun drop infront of me and eat me up in 3 seconds. Also I kind of think all this nerf buff talk belongs in “weapons-gadgets” room. Actually I think a polling system might help with popular opinion on weapons, instead of just angry “Staning” the feedback channel.

Also when you play the game proper in packs of 3 all this little nitpicks go out the window. But I guess with a tdm game mode and 5 man that comment is subjective. 🤷‍♂️

[rotund gust]

as medium using FCAR I have no problem beating a CL40, but I'm not defending the weapon. It's definately corny as hell and I refuse to use it as is.

Don't want it gutted cus these unique weapons are what makes this game special

[cobalt kernel]

NERF PIKE TO 49 DAMAGE OR LOWER FIRE RATE

[hollow barn]

They continue to buff the ks23 incorrectly.

The main complaint is the velocity of the projectile and the inaccuracy it has when firing.
Before touching anything around the gun, address the problem that the gun is not being chosen over other options.

[tough sigil]

Not being able to evasive dash large through glass panels is outrageous

[dim root]

H+ Infuser clearly outclasses other healing option like healing beam and healing emmitter.
To nerf the gadget I would reduce the ammo from 20 to 15 and reduce heal per bullet potential from 20 to 15 giving the gadget a whopping 225hp potential per magazine being able to fully reset a medium in around 1 second which is what the gadget was originally designed to do. It's supposed to heal faster than other options but not more.

[stray mirage]

Bumping this because honestly its a really good and nuanced set of potential changes!

[plucky zenith]

Nerf CL-40

[neat yoke]

i agree!

[untold venture]

make healing beam a gadget to make it on par with heal ball and Hinfuser (both gadgets far outclassing a spec) while making defibs a specialisation and buff it back to its S1 self (maybe) but nerfing its cooldown severly (if it gets buffed back), would make picks far more important and resets harder, while also making it an actual important choice for mediums to decide whether to bring Dmat which has been meta for an extremely long time or to bring the fibs (which have been a must pick gadget for mediums since S1)

[versed gull]

Buff everything in the game

[thick cliff]

Embark why squid game final season is so terrible bro

[river heath]

the ability to change (generic - i.e blue, orange, white etc) colors of scopes. for obvious reasons

[paper meadow]

They could even do separate scope skins that’d be neat.

[hallow epoch]

NERF LIGHTS HEAL GUN , so you took away what was special to medium class which was the ability to heal. Now all classes can heal but none are as ridiculous as the lights heal gun on how fast it heals and not to mention how it can keep someone alive while stealing a cashout while their getting a whole mag dump to the head fucking unbelievable

[dense totem]

Let us change the color of the reticle on sights.

[proven crown]

Hear me out: Rework dual blades as a specialisation, which eliminates weapon slot, but offers 'super sprint' mobility. Dual blades would also have to deflect less effectively though, so it's easier to damage a blocking dualblader from the front. Could be an awesome niche pick to play, less frustrating to play against because you should still be able to damage them quite effectively even if they're blocking.

Also, please nerf CL40 - it's so LAME, literally the most frustrating weapon to die from as a light (zero skill)

[pastel dune]

Skeleton Gloves are incompatible with all bracelets and watches -- as in, bracelets and watches are invisible when wearing Skeleton Gloves. I spent money on these, and they're cool af, so it's not an option to not wear them. I'm not sure where else to report a bug, but it's been like this ever since I bought them about a month ago. 😦

[dapper fiber]

Anyone else having ping jitter problems recently? Since the start of the new season I've been getting into some servers where I lag and jitter constantly but other servers are much better. The servers are so bipolar they're driving me nuts.

[iron jetty]

switch 2 port when?

[mossy cape]

ranked player cards and badges from s1 and 2

[slender pine]

HEAL META IS CRIIIIIIIINGE NERF PLEASE

[old burrow]

It'll go away in a week

[sonic arrow]

it is an event it literally shows in the event bar

[frigid horizon]

Give the heavy a fire axe
Slightly faster melee than the sledge
Alt is a sweep that puts out fires cuz why not

[toxic sedge]

+1

[rough storm]

obviously but this game is very dynamic and you can just pop a shot, hide and repeat. 2 tap lights that can max hit you for 30 damage when played well. Let alone when you hide behind your other teammates.
The weapon is just being abused in casual gameplay rn so you're forced to play either medium or heavy and have at least 1 CL fella in your team or play it yourself. I literally quit the game cuz of this since i wanted to wait with rankeds

@hearty bough no you're right, it's not a ranked prob at all but imo it's better to have some higher skill-ceiling weapons that are not picked as often as to having that certain weapon being noob-friendly causing it to dominate gameplay for casuals yk

@distant zinc There's 2 problems to what you're saying.
The game is dynamic. "just pick high ground" goes both ways and works in the CL user's favour when you're having to attack.
And when defending, that only works for half a minute before your cashout is standing at the bottom and you are forced to leave your precious high ground. So that's about 5% of the whole match you just covered, which is useless since it's all about defending the cashout.
Secondly, idk if you noticed but they changed the weapon so even hugging the CL user who is now shooting directly beneath it's feet while jumping like a maniac does way less damage to himself than it used to, rendering it to require 0 skills now.
That's why everyone is telling Devs to revert that buff they did (AGAIN)

[distant zinc]

To all the CL40 haters
Only lights and some mediums hate the cl40 cuz it is kinda broken against them, but there are workarounds to it. CL40 is so bad against heavies and really it is bad if you are playing against people with common sense. Like you could just get high ground on cl40 or get super close to the cl40 user to render them useless. It’s really only good in specific scenarios like in a building or stairs.

[craggy basin]

Good feedback but for the heal orb I would recommend a system like turret’s where remote pickup but more cool down then picking it up normally

[nova mica]

Nah L take.

Heal meta is great, encourages teamwork, something you probably haven’t heard of if you’re complaining.

Great mixup of the meta Embark! Don’t listen to the whiny crybabies who have COD brain and just want to point and shoot

[hearty bough]

Yeah I must admit I only play ranked and don’t see it as often

[solemn linden]

There was a reason recon senses got removed.
there is a reason Wallhacks are called wallHACKS.
even if everyone has them it just sucks for everyone. never ever ever bring this WT event back

[prisma hinge]

The servers this new update are more trash than before, which is pretty wild actually

[worthy totem]

Congrats yall made me quit this game, not even the 60 Dollars ive spend on it make it worth it. This is why people don’t give support to free games. Yall managed to make this game into a shit pile. Gl

[tropic drift]

see you next week 🫡

[hallow wyvern]

We need scopes to match skin colors like holo on fcar and the reflector on XP-54 please make all of the scopes blend in with skin

[peak tapir]

YESSIR

[past surge]

Remove this stupid recon sense event from world tour embark

Never bring it back

[zinc oasis]

This isn’t an airport

[vocal nimbus]

Well, I never bothered to make a purchase. So even though this game has the worst TTK I've seen in years, it's alright with me

[stark forum]

This game fuckin rules. Thats my feedback. Thanks

[random bronze]

Yes dude, that would be so funny. Like imagine if it applied to enemies too and it just moved them up and down and all around a few meters, like that would be awesome

[pearl cairn]

Hear me out, it’s like a gateway but with momentum. You put it down on two surfaces(or players) and they fly towards one another

[simple ether]

This season is by far the worst yet. Took a fast paced movement based game and turned it into a CoD camper clone.

[ruby dew]

Pls **BUFF **all **MELE ** WEAPONS... Idk why Mele is getting punished for, when its the most difficult way to play in 90% of the maps.

#SaveMele

[molten jackal]

Ban the bat. And give more visual queue to invisibility when you're close.

[vivid seal]

please

[high hawk]

is it possible to bring back the vortex the way it was before now it never brake a steal on cast and also never break at the end. and it use to work like that last season

[fleet quiver]

remove cl40 completely

[restive comet]

GUH??

[north badge]

7 seasons and we're still dealing with clunkiness with guns and interfaces not to mention the random bugs we claim to fix and still havent. no wonder this game isnt gaining any popularity

[sudden spire]

Add "Technical Difficulties" to the end of game survey

[neon bobcat]

This game is more polished than anything AAA studios have put out in years. Your lucky the devs actually care about the game enough to listen to feedback

[drifting topaz]

NERF CL40

[icy marsh]

Atleast I’m not an embark dev

[brisk tangle]

Embark please help us in the SA servers, help revive de WT/Ranked servers, pleeeeaaaasseeee

[marsh onyx]

The CL40 in its current state needs to be tweaked slightly so that less people use it, I'm not sure a straight damage nerf is the answer since that might neuter the weapon completely, but I think it should be considered as part of a few changes to the weapon:

• A tiny splash damage nerf- (90 > 85) or so?
• Reduce visual clutter and sound again, the thing feels like an AA cannon firing directly into your head
• Maybe rework it to mimic the Loch'n'Load from TF2, where grenades must land direct shots to inflict any damage + splash damage on nearby targets, this will incentivise the weapon to actually be aimed
  (bonus point here is that it'd differentiate it more from the MGL)

[frozen tree]

Here we go again (I’m sorry I keep repeating this it’s just easier than coming up with new stuff each time)

Big wishlist:
Revert sword nerf (PLEASE give it 140 lunge damage, it needs it)
Revert dagger nerf (let it backstab turrets again, and increase the angle)
Revert sledge nerf (at least the left click part)
Also with the sledge buff, nerf winch! It’s the problem!
Let riot shield block/reduce damage from explosions
Increase dual blades deflection accuracy
Increase CL-40 self damage and make the projectile slower, to allow time to react
Make breach drill faster and a maybe a bigger explosion
Bring back grenade grappling, and make it easier
Make m11 a close range option, XP a mid range one, and ARN a longer range one. Same thing with AKM, FCAR, and famas, respectively
Make heal ball work like guardian turret, not going on cooldown until destroyed/picked up and can be directly or remotely picked up, giving different levels of charge depending on which one it is
Nerf h+ healing a bit
Fix performance and freezing
Let us unlock the ultimate battlepass rewards as the $20 tier, and the 20 extra levels be part of the $30
There may be more, but this is what I think for now, and I’m open to suggestions and (constructive) criticism

[jagged vector]

Nerf the fucking cl 40, mmm with heals and cl40 is a terrible and honestly the more you buff noobtubes makes this game less enjoyable. Almost every game I play there is a team of 2 m with cl40 and it’s so fucking annoying.

[rustic tinsel]

When a specific weapon shows increased usage, it means everything else that was actually usable has been nerfed. It’s not like it suddenly became OP and people started using it.
Nerfs are not the only way to balance a game. Buffs are a perfectly valid option.

Damage nerfs need to stop. Start buffing things instead.
Melee damage nerfs aren’t solving a problem. They’re just removing melee from the game. Melee has to hit a certain damage threshold to even be viable. Melee obviously dies if it can't kill enemies at close range, so it doesn’t help the team at all. If you nerf its damage, it naturally becomes useless.

please, stop with the nonsense about nerfing damage for the sake of Light. That doesn’t help only Light. It affects every class and ends up making weapons useless.
If you can’t kill a Light, you definitely won’t be killing Medium and Heavy. What’s meant to help Light usually ends up favoring Medium and Heavy more.

Melee weapons need to be strong at close range. Just like melee can never compete against guns at long range, it only makes sense that melee should win up close. That’s the basic logic.

About Double Barrel, you nerfed it, then reverted. Because Light has low HP, so high DPS is justified. Double Barrel is only viable up close, and it needs to 2-tap Heavy. That balance was correct. so reverted.
The same goes for Sword. It’s the same mistake as with Double Barrel. Sword was built around close-range and Light’s low health.it required specific damage combinations for each classes.

Light should die to lunge + quick melee,
Medium to 2 lunges or lunge + quick melee + left click,
Heavy to double (lunge + quick melee) or 2 lunges + left click.
That was balanced. Sword’s lunge must deal 140 dmg.

Melee nerfs so far go completely against what you yourselves said in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1it1icj/comment/mdnd5tc/
Stop lying and start keeping your promises.

[ocean parrot]

3RD parties are so much worse after the new spawning system

[azure ether]

Is there anybody that is a sword light that wanna record a vid with me and my friend? (We will be doing world tour for your information)

[lilac drift]

embark please add uses for show tokens & vrs after you hit cap and have nothing to spend them on, i.e.

• get extra tickets / ticket parts during wheel events
• convert to mastery xp for weapons or gadgets
• exclusive skin shop?

[sage scroll]

Anthropomorphic cosmetics

[drifting acorn]

i need them to fix text chat on console, there is NO reason for my message to be reset for no damn reason every time i respawn, my spectator pov switches to another teammate, screen transition from end of the game to the winning team doing their emotes, fix ts

[bold ocean]

Every time a hit doesn't register it chips away at my already dwindling interest in this game. If an object collides with a player, like a bullet for instance, it should damage said player period

Not have a less then 50% (in my experience) of doing damage or not. Fix. Your. Hit. Registering. Embark. Especially if you want your game to be considered Esports ready. It has to actually WORK properly first.

[fickle heath]

buff model and cl40

[tranquil wave]

Give us kill cam feed, I get tired of dying and not knowing how I died sometimes. I literally have a clip I sent someone of me fully behind the wall and I died by throwing knives or a gun from
The other side of the room.

[crisp heart]

I have NEVER played a game that crashes more than this one. I experience a variety of different types of crashes literally every time I play. Sometimes my entire graphics driver crashes. Sometimes the game crashes due to memory access violation; sometimes it's 0x000000000 sometimes its a random address. Sometimes the game just freezes and a rare embark window pops up hidden behind the game window. Sometimes you ask me to stress test my hardware. I could go on and on. I'm just shocked that I can send like 2 crash reports EVERY TIME I play without fail and the issues still persist. Pls fix the crasherinos

[feral shard]

Day 31 requesting a Coin toss emote (only with "The Finals" icon, not a head or tails emote)

It will be a hand emote for the left hand (As every other hand emote) which tosses a coin (With a very satisfaction sound effect, like the ULTRAKILL's one) and then grab it in the air and the emote finishes

It would be so cool since, the enemies get coined, it would be a very gentle but cool flex

Hope Embark takes note of this, we need it in the game, I would pay for it

(Also, please add more hand emotes, I love them)

[mossy cape]

rock paper scissors emote

[flint surge]

if you have a 14th gen cpu update the motherboard bios that helped me have not had a crash since

[midnight aurora]

double barrel needs a nerf. just dying out of nowhere is really boring to fight

[worldly thunder]

Fix your spawns. Third party is worse than before (was less prevalent pre-changes)

[potent pawn]

Add difficulty slider before looking for matches, so I can get easier matches if I'm having a bad day

[wooden atlas]

That last bullet point is genius. I don’t think CL-40 is OP but it is very spammed these days, and making it harder to use will reward more skillful play.

[winged hawk]

I would really prefer it if future patches utilized more buffs (whether large, small, or in-between) than nerfs - additionally, any future nerfs should be much smaller in scale and/or creative to keep the target items fun and/or powerful to play.

The amount of nerfs to strong weapons/tools over the course of this game's lifespan have been significant and often result in players feeling like their tools are weak and/or their time dedicated to them is wasted. It has led to bickering amongst the community where groups of players are mis-blaming each other for the balancing directions of this game. A couple of weapons have received good buffs to make them more enjoyable and relevant, which should continue, but the number and severity of nerfs needs to be drastically reduced.

[hazy skiff]

Add a horse map

[stable gull]

Nerf that damn SH1900 man this is fuckin’ ridiculous. Effortless to use and nothing short of insufferable to play against

[violet laurel]

I think it’s pretty good 👌

[shrewd echo]

Special event with jump pads, low gravity, and rocket launchers

[indigo geyser]

Not sure how hard it would be to implement, but I LOVE the idea of proximity voice chat for all teams.

Also? Buff more weapons amd gadgets!!

[glass cradle]

Why is medium the most deprived class in the game? He has no option that allows him to get advantage in a fight. Light can get advantage by damaging you first being invis, or save some HP by dashing, heavy can damage you ang getting no damage at all, thanks to shields. Medium has no such options, it's just you and gun. You can say it's a support, but you made his "exclusive" feature useless, by adding the same for another classes, while medium gets a gadget which is worsе then demat in all aspects. You have to try hard more then anybody who plays light/heavy, cause all you have - are bullets.

[stark pilot]

Everything is not fun to play against.
Nerf The Finals or delete The Finals.
Just like embark use to do.
And everyone fun.
YHEAAAAAA
Best game.
BEST DEV

[subtle tree]

Something needs to be done about the CL-40, and not just more self damage. Thing is painful to fight, as any class. Damage is way too high. Maybe the center radius needs to be tightened and that's it, but as it stands it is far to capable. There is no effective counter.