👂┇game-feedback

[torpid sky]

Cerberus is a perfect example of what a shotgun should be like, models on the other hand still need more nerfs to be balanced

@clever bone there are like 5 ppl who can use m11 effectively in ruby and it's still not the best weapon in light's arsenal, best guns in highelo are lh1/m26/93r and m11 by a selected few who can beam ppl from 50+ range
and no db isn't used by good light players in ranked cuz it sucks ass and there are better alternatives

[clever bone]

._. M11 and double barrel are the most used light weopons in diamond and above so no not in piss elo but in elo where people actually know whats good and what is not

[stone halo]

Game design 0/10
Yapping 10/10

[mild veldt]

Yeah, but we all know how the song goes, and they probably won't touch the Model for quite a while (if they even touch it at all). With that in mind, a tighter spread is intended for more consistency, not for increasing range damage. It should perform well within its intended range, as I don't want it to out-perform medium-range guns, but rather excel in very close, as it should.

[tropic snow]

make bronze 3 and higher a requirement to work on balance team

[drifting belfry]

LH1 should get a recoil pattern like such now that it has a red dot to it. Always loved that gun and used it because it is a solid medium-range choice and is satisfying to use, but it doesn't need to be broken so that people who never touched the gun before because they never liked it use it. Anything but touching its headshot damage which is the identity of the gun.

[torpid sky]

medium shouldn't have cqc weapons to begin with, medium class should excels in mid range and only mid range, if u want close range/long range then play heavy or light, idk why the game keeps adding cqc weapons for the support class who excels in mid range
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290418428594618530/1318864549960745021/image.png?ex=6763dfd4&is=67628e54&hm=ea192bb07933d2ca1ffc1d086005f6ce3574c125897a86dbe10f84b691f16cfb&

[clear quest]

The Meta was always HMM or MMM since the second closed beta.

[latent niche]

I agree with my teammate, like I'll keep playing but the sentiment remains.
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SPEAR IS BROKEN
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Also I have no Idea how my screencap is totally black sans hud that's insane. that's not something I actually saw.

[verbal bane]

Another day, another group of garbage Light players complaining about not being able to stand in front of Mediums and Heavies and not die immediately.

Embark, please don't listen to these nerf clowns, you have already nerfed Medium to the point where the only remaining effective weapon is the FAMAS, which I now see Light players wanting you to nerf.

[torpid sky]

baits used to be believable

@slate vessel every nerf heavy got was deserved except the mesh nerf and there are still things that need nerf like crutch n slam

[slate vessel]

If we are gonna nerf heavy even more can we at least get a light nerf
plus spear isnt even that good if you just stand back

[placid agate]

just don't play ranked?

[crisp heart]

Add hud safe zone

Add TA to Bernal

[compact nacelle]

low rank ranked is unplayable, games have a lot of unrated 3-5k players vs 18k players

[umbral swift]

People unironically asking for Light nerfs in this chat are fucking hilarious. The class that's basically always been the worst class almost every single patch in the game finally gets some buffs to be better (which still haven't made them as good as Medium or Heavy) and people still lose their shit anyways.

[runic sierra]

nu uh

[mortal notch]

nope s1/2 it was MHH meta healbeam fcar sa1216 lewis charge mesh, every fight would start with a bonce pad into double rpg cns.light was completely unviable. fcar got nerfed mid way through s2 akm/model got used. s3 was MMH double model/one akm bonce pad into rpg/winch sa1216. light was only viable becuse ranked was TA. s4 was MMM/MMH meta double model/pike sa1216 HML at VERY high elo ONLY becuse of plug meta s5 is MMH sa1216 model/famas /or MHL at very high elo with m11/lh1.

SA1216 has been meta every single season aside from the 1.5ish months were lewis was. model has been meta for 2 and a half seasons. healbeam has been for 5 seasons etc etc etc

[rough hinge]

Still more fun than the shitshows we have been dealing with for the past 3 seasons

Healbeam and utilities being used in fights, you say that like it was a bad thing?

[static wolf]

record time killed the fun! thanks for killing the lockbolt! embark always fast on patching the fun but not the real issues!(took months to fix model) 🙃

[night bone]

Guys, am i the only one to still not received s4 rewards?

[wraith orchid]

i actually wanted a snowball mode so bad.

Great👍🏻

[cerulean mason]

Was there any thought or reasoning behind the choice to nerf invis duration by over 100 seconds?? It definitely needed a nerf, but you just threw it right into the trash compactor. Please think hard about what to do with lockbolt, don't pull another stunt like you did with goo plane and patch out fun stuff that makes the finals what it is.

[drowsy vector]

Don’t think I ever had more fun in the finals before than with the lockbolt moving objects, including the cash box. Hopefully you bring it back soon! Don’t be the fun police please thank you 😇

[slate vessel]

Counters exist maybe it would be a good idea for the finals to provide a little tutorial on how to counter abilities.

E.g evasive dash, stun gun and theres probably more creative ways.

[hard shoal]

I'm requesting a feature that would enable players to add a background to their in-game names to increase readability, especially in crowded or visually busy areas of the game.

[vague remnant]

Please add a random skin option! I have no reason to continue purchasing skins without that feature!

[torpid sky]

tell me how to counter winch and crutch n slam iam all ears

@autumn sedge you gotta be baiting or on smth

[autumn sedge]

Ironically the best counter is to place a jump pad under the heavy and launch them into the stratosphere, but that more often then not can be buggy lol

Only counter I know of for medium (if you don't count glitch)

[spice marsh]

I'd love to see more monetized tournaments and esports, please

[opal ocean]

Theres a $100,000 tournament next year my friend

[foggy orbit]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6oJYaJPIKI-7OyEkOE-0pMX5flps7nbCBHAMaDxyEg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[upper vortex]

The entire shop is now full of fomo items, what the hell

[jaunty hamlet]

@near cosmos I think sniper rifle plus damage is acceptable, and this needs to be implemented soon.
Sniper rifles are initially pretty much limited to harassment and keeping the bloodline down, and have almost no role in cash. Sniper positions are hard to find, mediums have healing and defibrillation, and heavies have shields, sniper rifles can't handle them, and they bleed back easily, so using a sniper rifle is only a way to brush up on damage, with little to no actual contribution to the team, roughly equivalent to a two against three, and even though combat scores are high, your teammates can't win if they can't grab the money.
The advantage of medium and heavy is cash, the advantage of sniper rifle is to depress the blood line, each has its own merits. Indoor cash is the home of mediums and heavies, and outdoors is the home of sniper rifles. Some people think that the sniper rifle two shots can be seconds too high intensity, but even in other games one shot can be seconds, there is no one in the sniper's field of vision to move ah. Although it is very unpleasant to be consumed by the sniper rifle, but the sniper rifle is now in the actual battle is really lackluster, it is obvious that almost no one in the rankings with the sniper rifle.
I think the sniper rifle can be changed according to these two ideas: landing and attenuation greatly increased, hit the body of the damage increased, in the 2 shots, heavy 3 shots; ② landing and attenuation decreased, headshot damage increased, in the headshot 1 shot, heavy headshot 2 shots

[idle glen]

Lets make a light meta season because we never had one

[civic plover]

I'm pretty dissapointed with all of the limited time skins. I really appreciated that there was little FOMO for the cosmetics and it's sad to see it go the same way as other games.

[solar rampart]

just add a regular team deathmatch

[thin fox]

Please consider reverting the respawn timer changes. They make it so killing a team is less rewarding. In quick cash its painful since most fights will bw dragged to infinite

[tacit imp]

eventually this game will die embark if you dont fix the very things MANY people complain about being OP or just plain idiotic.

[tropic snow]

new ltm AND purple cosmetics in one patch? very nice keep it goin

[harsh torrent]

Nerf Cloak to 1 sec

[hoary python]

bring back terminal attack event / cry (humor but also i miss cns)

[echo urchin]

If the game ever dies, it’s gunna be because the serial whiners are gunna cause embark to nerf everything into mediocrity or uselessness.

Embark listens too much, and yet, someone like you will show up to whine about how they don’t listen. It’s astounding.

[slate vessel]

A 4v4v4 cashout would be nice for groups of 4 instead of being limited to terminal attack (Which is pretty much dead) and Powershift

[high ibex]

remove snowball headshots

[lavish shard]

Add fucking crossplay only console 🙏

[uneven mountain]

Give the arena master his voicelines back, its a bit sad that now he only announces wipes and round starts. Give his ability to announce respawns, more wipes announcements, last player etc.

[real crow]

[snow scaffold]

Waiting for months since my 1st request and more than a year for true zero deadzone.

I'm frustrated that I can't play such a great game for dumb reasons.

[barren hare]

The fact that the final reward for all 3 sponsor contracts is for the same weapon is kind of a letdown compared to the previous season, that's my main gripe about this season 5's sponsors

[opal ocean]

It existed but they got rid of it because the PC player base is too small and queue times were long. So pushed us all together. The crossplay button used to just mean crossplay between ps and xbox

[thorny lynx]

"Cloaking Device
Decreased the max duration of invisibility when fully stationary from 133s to 27s "
-We realized that Lights camping corners for over 2 minutes was considered "camping" and although we love that, it was really just a bad idea in the first place. #buffmodel

[idle glen]

If im not supposed to get in someones face as light, does that mean i should play from afar? If that is so, how come medium absolutely destroyes me. Heavy is good up close , medium for medium range, light for no range.(Medium takes long range as well)

[keen lily]

allow to just hold left click to continuously throw snow balls in blitz mode

[wraith orchid]

uuuh if that’s the case, could you explain to me how i can play with my sword or shotguns from afar? thx🤗

[silver flame]

can someone help me, it says easy anti cheat is not installed when I start from steam... wish I could just download the finals from the website like games back in the day... lol just got a new laptop too, im not understanding, i disabled antivirus etc been up all night trying to figure this out LMAO guess imma stick to ps5 i guess...

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller settings on console

[unreal fossil]

@idle glen Worst thing that could happen to this game IMO. Lobbies full of Lights just make the game extremely boring to play, even if you defeat them and win.

LMH is the ideal meta. All three classes equally useful to the team.

@civic plover I guess it's hard for Embark to find the right stance on this when you have people gatekeeping content and ranting about re-releases and broken promises of exclusivity, as well as people complaining about FOMO-inducing limited time content.

There's no way to satisfy everyone here.

I personally don't find it shocking that seasonal items are limited in time.

[oblique olive]

fsr 3 when?

[frozen tree]

Proposition: buff sword
Benefits: me happy

[hazy skiff]

Revert sword to season 3
🗣️🔥

[jagged axle]

In future, can we have something to prevent spawn camping like what is happening in every match of the Snowball Blitz that I join? It's just annoying.

[fallen mirage]

Still holding our for some Powershift map additions. I'm not a Light player but glad to see there has been an adjustment to the Invis. As a solely Powershift player, it has recently gone back to being more of a sniper fest again. Hopefully this update will curb things a bit in this game mode for the better...

[frozen moss]

the new mode is missions and no more

[tall herald]

the new mode is a fun deathmatch event... but can feel unbalanced if you got a hacker in the enemy team

[mortal notch]

list of buff and nerfs i would like to see happen:
sword: revert to s3
dash: small cooldown buff
model: 14dmg 8 pellets-112 dmg
lh1: buff to 300rpm
defib: only effects gadgets
C&S: dmg nerf
grapple: 2 charges
sa1216:small spread nerf
shAK: small dmg nerf and 20-24 bullets
akm: back to 36 bullets
fcar: lower the rpm raise the dmg
add a neon like movement ability for med
add double jump/wall running spec for light
@quartz dirge LH1 was buffed then nerfed in s3 similar to s4 sword i used to be a lh1 main and the rpm feels ass now
i know i just want old lh1 back lmao
and yes lh1/m11 is meta right now

[quartz dirge]

buffing lh1 💀
LH1 doesn’t need buffs it’s already meta weapon on light by a longshot

[magic widget]

My take on the new season:
It feels great! The new gadgets are exactly sonething I’d use and are balanced,the new heavy ar shreds up close, and the balance changes fixed a lot of issues. However, a couple areas need some balancing id say:

Cerberus is the biggest offender, since it’s trying to be different from the model but executes as a worse version of it with a very similar playstyle. So here’s my take on how it can be fixed:
Slightly less direct impact damage, but each pellet applies 0.35 seconds of fire (up to a max of 2 ish seconds per player) and the fire tick damage is slightly increased. That way, instead of treating its playstyle exactly as the models, now you ignite players and hide around cover to wait those 2 seconds to strike again to maximize the burn (still current viability if you just rush in though).

Mgl-32 rework NOW PLZ 🙏

Let grenades get sucked into the vortex instead of floating past it

More glitch grenade utility (slightly longer effect against players, make statue/cashout/cashbox uninteractable, etc) while keeping the glitch barrel as is

Allow spear secondary fire to be cancelled with a small cooldown

Honestly, except for the Cerberus/MGL, all of these are very minor changes, and the current game still feels balanced enough/great to play without any of these being made. The finals cooked this season!

[inland mica]

hmmm I wonder what class you play exclusively

[fringe schooner]

After they also nerfed controller aa. It’s way past time to split the mm pool again or the whole pop will decline. PC has an immense cqc advantage and it’s way too easy to create Smurf accounts to get around sbmm

@opal ocean as long as they find a way to solve the Smurf and alt problem. Still miles easier on pc vs console

[arctic obsidian]

Embark please for the love of god what is this pay to lose skin u guys just added in the christmass update bought it cause i didnt have a skin yet for dual blades but cant see a thing with them https://ibb.co/QbMw2q2 LOOK AT THIS CRAP

[opal ocean]

Oh yeah for sure. They could bring back mouse and keyboard support for console and do input based matchmaking. That would be best all round

[onyx tiger]

i think quick cash is a little too much for new players. its likely the first mode they try out because of how its placed in the lobby and how its name, "quick" cash, gives the impression that you should try it first. new players wont automatically understand world tour and they also wont dive into ranked. quick cash by itself may be too chaotic to anyone trying to learn the game; especially because it will pit you against really good players. my suggestion is to move quick cash off the main lobby play screen. I would replace it with a 3v3 cashout mode. A more controlled environment would be more welcoming to new players trying to dip their toes in the water and learn what the finals has to offer. quick cash would exist in the quickplay section. The goal here is to increase player retention so the game gets some recognition it deserves.

[frank gull]

At that point maybe medium just shouldn't have shotguns.
I don't think they'll ever be in a spot where they can compete with with heavy, & not melt your main (Light Class). Apparently the Cerberus can't one clip heavy.? Any buff would absolutely melt lights

That being said @cheesus7475#0000 has a point Trent - #👂┇game-feedback message -
The model is a great cqc weapon, & I agree medium should be the range class, & play it best however it doesn't, & it's not; so trent stop discriminating against the class. If other classes can play all ranges well, then so should medium.

"The light shotguns are perfectly balanced alongside the Cerberus"
There's nothing balanced about the sh1900 + Coalk/invis bomb combo
It's OP AF it's whatever.
But to compare that combo to the Cerberus is just ludicrous.
The gun can't even 1 clip Heavy like the Sh1900.

@that_one_guy0327#0000 for you to agree is absolutely diabolical. Not only because of the mobility Lights has, but on top of that can equip the one gadget that can counter everything Heavy has (glitch grenades), & can completely outplay Medium now more than ever thanks mobility nerfs, & Mid health.

That being said...
I HATE the dam thang too so rework the dam thang already.
Hopefully you'll consider this old blueprint Embark.

#👂┇game-feedback message

[chilly kettle]

Would love to see a feature in the game where the in-game music automatically mutes if you have Spotify playing at the same time. I know a few other games have this feature, would be sick to have on here as well

[lament surge]

Embark, where is this skin?

[signal tide]

Embark, with the removal of the Lockbolts ability to pull cashouts and vaults, yall are ONCE AGAIN directly limiting the creativity of your playerbase. The same players that fell in love with this game for its unrivaled ability to just be CREATIVE and think outside the box, are the same ones being driven away from these changes… please do better.
With love, Your #1 Flamethrower User

[rapid stream]

I like teleporting the cashout across the map fr

[idle glen]

Yeah hml is the ideal meta but since the game dropped we've been in medium and heavy meta

[trail terrace]

They did say they plan to reintroduce it later, as @rapid stream said, I have seen teams doing that I guess they'll be working on that for the time being

[rustic tusk]

The snowball fight has convinced me we need a TDM mode

[quick coyote]

Love the snowball TDM, mode is extremely fun and would love to see full TDM in game but please for the love of God make custom smaller maps for it, keep the large maps for cashout, WT and powershift because it will loose the uniqueness that TDM would bring

[ripe shoal]

Why does this game have a backstab mechanic (a one-shot for medium and light builds) where the only counterplay is to react properly and avoid letting your opponent see your back, especially when the server lag is so significant that it exceeds the time it takes to execute a dash? This is extremely poorly designed.

[mortal notch]

hmmm i wonder what class is objectively the worst and needs the most buffs HMMMMMMM
hmmmm i wonder what class objectively has no skill weapons/specs that are op and need nerfs (C&S/model)
and yes i have over 900 hrs (around 1500 total) on sword/light with around 400 on heavy and 300 on med

@opal ocean embark are still "working on" mnk support ive been asking for it since s1

[opal ocean]

Yeah, I saw them confirm that in a Reddit ama a while ago now haha. It was in the game before so I don't see why it won't be back sooner rather than later. Although maybe they're worried about splitting the player base again, who knows

[hard badger]

snowball blitz is so boring if you cant aim with a snowball like me xD, I admit its a skill issue but others are better then me in it... Especially since its not a one hit gamemode what makes it extra difficicult imo. Just give us a gun that shoots snowballs (would be more fun imo). But anyways thanks for the new gamemode, but I am not enjoying it xD

@quick coyote I agree they for sure need a nerf!!
@visual spruce Exactly

[slate vessel]

Although not directly related to the game the feedback channel should be a forums channel as a lot of people like to discuss the feedback

[visual spruce]

we need a gamemode like the snowball blitz TDM which can use our all weapons

[silent grove]

this is all i need
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098665201408155658/1317627484614950912/sledge_leak_s4_4.gif

[split hatch]

i feel like the lockbolt needs some kind of buff, either something like shortening it's chain or activation time, or something like turning it into a landmine type thing where it waits to grab the first 3 things it encounters. as it stands, aside from the objective shenanigans, it feels really underpowered.

[tame halo]

yes please, and im not joking

[latent leaf]

Please remove mentions to previous top competitors from commentators.
I am exhausted of hearing june going "TTV this, TTV that, oh that the kind of play that TTVBigToeSucker is known for, oh that would make TTVKetaminePangolin poud." Of course they're all going to be TTV something, their litteral job is to play this game all day. It's driving me insane. Cant go a match without June blurting "YO TTV, DID YOU HEAR IM TALKING ABOUT A TTV DUDE, DO YOU KNOW TTV ? TTV AF BRO. TTV THAT TTV ON MY TTV OR I'LL TTV YOU, YOU TTV'D TTV PIECE OF FU-" all the god damn time.
Have mercy, please.

[mortal notch]

Just turn commentators off

[elfin blaze]

I know this is not the place but does someone know if they are still sending the anniversary tee emails? have´nt got mine yet (got everything activated on my profile) and i want that red tee

[ocean rivet]

im really enjoying the game, i have 20 hrs in lol its very unique

[frank gull]

Going against top 500 after a losing streak is brutal, & in the "fun" "laid back" game mode. With a 0% S.W. penalty top tier, & hackers can just run around & be as reckless as they want if they don't want to crash out in ranked.

I know that feel @languid bolt

• #👂┇game-feedback message - If you can't hit diamond, I hope you get to hit Emerald 1 @pliant lion Hopefully the devs will add SBMM, & allow console players to play against one another in the same player pool, both shouldn't be forced to play against P.C. if they don't want to.
  The filter should allow Xbox & PlayStation players to filter out PC players, & go against one another.

[oblique olive]

why do I get a penalty in ranked when I leave even if there's a missing teammate???? not to mention that I even lose rs even its just the 2 of us? fix this please

[rapid stream]

Scruy my fucking goat don’t talk shit to the king

[spice stag]

couldnt disagree more using actual players in the voicelines is fucking awesome, adds so much to the vibe of the game

[dense ivy]

Add tax season to the finals, this game is too fun. Needs more arbitrary suffering

Maybe also add the DMV while you’re at it, oh and definitely add vaping✅

[dark niche]

after using the cerberus for a little bit I have to say it might be the best weapon ever added to this game, genuinely
somehow its like perfectly balanced imo

[analog hearth]

Cool story. The solution to your problem is hit stuff inside of it's range. This is exactly how a sword should work.

[snow mica]

The casual player here: Am I missing the point regarding Clubs? Unless you have a team that you play with regularly, what are the benefits of joining one? I cannot wait 15 minutes for a request when I only have 1 hour to play. If notifications allowed you to join a club member in a fight directly or perhaps notify you of requests, this would help. But for now, this gives me nothing.

[latent leaf]

howbout they just add an option to turn off the TTV TTV TTV TTV TTV TTV spam instead

[proud agate]

Am ultra glad to see custom lobby music, the finals, i love you

[lament surge]

embark where is this

[arctic matrix]

Next week 🙏

[sonic arrow]

When will balance changes be a whole list instead of 1-3 changes?

[floral shoal]

Deathmatch Feedback

First off, lemme just say that I'm glad to see this mode finally dropping into the game. Especially in the way I sort of expected it to work with gaining cash and all. However, there's some changes I feel could make this mode a little more 'FINALS'-style while still appealing to the casual crowd in the hopes that this comes back as a full time mode.

HVT

HVT - High Value Target - would be players going on killstreaks (Let's say 5+ for this example) and would only be maintained by the highest killstreak player on the team. These players will ping every couple of seconds, revealing their location.

Reviving

Reviving should revert gained cash by the enemy team. This would encourage teamplay with each other, rather than running off and dying frequently. It'd also help to draw games out a bit.

Map Layouts

Map layouts should be randomized. Much like how Terminal Attack sort of sections out parts of the map where you're expected to fight. The map should change randomly upon load up with different zones of fighting. So in the case of Monaco: Catherdral + Residential District + Construction + Villas while another map layout could be Hotels + Shopping District + Royal Plaza or yet another could be Residential District + Shopping District (North of Cathedral area) + Forest.

Spawns

Spawns need randomizing based on player location density. We had players in our spawn and us in their spawn just killing them freely.

Final Thoughts

A very good step towards what I sort of expect in a shooter game and I hope that a fully fledged and realized mode can hopefully entice people to move over from other games with a much more straight forward and simplistic gamemode.

[fervent hull]

Revert lockbolt change

[frank gull]

What you're describing is the S1 FCAR...
R.I.P S1 FCAR. 🪦💐

[valid cradle]

Really really love that they have AGAIN taken the fun and creativity out of the game.. lockbolt is close to useless now… awesome.

[rapid stream]

Please stay dead 🙏

[earnest sierra]

Erm what the sigma no the S1 fcar wasn't a laser gun with lower damage it had way higher damager and 20 bullets so akhuchully you're wrong

[quick rampart]

why do you guys hate fun

[outer jetty]

Practice Range should be multiplayer, Might as well rework it to be bigger and test all possibilities.

[wicked hound]

Scotty and June don’t say player names and have never done that genuinely what are you talking about this is not a real thing

[delicate star]

Your bad when i meet flamethrower do i win ? Mostly not because u need to keep distance u can guess where am going and if i are medium use jumppad nothing we Can do on it 😉

[polar ermine]

I could complain all day about some issues but you guys make the best skins in any game, well done

[mortal notch]

Your just ass

Revert sword to s3 pretty please

[fading flame]

Please make the missions in the game easier so that I can finish them and have a life.

[frank gull]

Both of you speak some truth @winged estuary. - #👂┇game-feedback message - I think it's important to listen to pro players, however, with the evolution of hacks, it's hard to tell how many people actually have skill, & how many are being dishonest with selfish feedback.
I think we should learn from trickle down economics, & not expect too much aid from the 1% & figure out a way to listen/please the masses.

[visual wave]

So I just completed a match of snowball blitz, got one of those “back-end sync” error messages, and the match summary showed +3,000,000 XP (I’m level 70, almost 71).

I still have all of my levels, all of my unlocks, all of my unlocked BP tiers too. Just a first for me, seeing the match summary randomly summarize my total XP gain since I started playing and just go through all the levels I’ve already earned. Odd.

[signal tide]

How so? With a gateway? I haven’t seen that yet.
But either way, they could have just disabled the ability for a lockbolt to go through a Gateway or however you teleport it, with the exact update they used to change the lockbolt entirely

[red cosmos]

I think the time to start healing in the game is backwards per class.

Leave medium where it is, but swap lights and heavies.

Lights can manage taking longer to heal because they have better escape abilities and can disengage more effectively. It also forces them to be more impactful when they do engage, rather than trading some damage against a medium or heavy, dashing away, healing, and then coming back before the medium or heavy has healed and repeating.

Heavies, being tanky, should heal faster. Right now they're very prone to chip damage resetting their heal time. Heavies don't have any escape, they have temporary cover, mesh shield, dome and barricades, but no escape. So using some utility might let them proc healing once, but it would be on cooldown if they continue to take damage under sustained fire.

I think these changes would lead to heavy being a more enjoyable class to play, and cut down on some of the annoynce of lights being like mosquitos. Heavies should be the draw of attention, and lights should avoid attention, in my opinion these changes would help with that.

[sullen ridge]

I like this idea, the idea that this game works on money makes me want a season about business or gambling

[mortal notch]

Nerf dual blades

[dull kettle]

How u do that?

[quick rampart]

place lock bolt on carriable next to cash box, and then pick it up and go through a gateway in the desired direction and keep holding on to it, they just removed it

[hearty dagger]

embark WHERE is grinch outfit

[clever hawk]

In my inventory

[fiery patio]

I'm getting shot behind walls. Since season 1. Fix pls. Desync is so horrendous that heavy can drag his sledge hitbox into the next game.

[topaz jungle]

Plz buff dagger, ty. Also you should be able make your character dizzy and throw up when you spin them in the menu like metal gear solid. Also, we should see everyone’s full idle animation in the waiting screen for a game. Also make the computer monitor mask a head, so you can wear a giant pair of sunglasses and a giant hat over it. Also, let me wear hats and masks at the same time, I’d like to be more festive. Plz make more cosmetics next season

[stray holly]

great game ily

[solar bone]

Light only has 150 health embark. Heavy’s have over double the health of a light by the way. But yes let’s nerf the hell out of anything that is decent on light

[frank gull]

Same energy...
"Same same but different, but still same"

[verbal prawn]

Give the icicle dagger the crit writer animations

[errant cove]

back in season 1

[valid cradle]

STOP REMOVING FUN MECHANICS FROM THE GAME WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!

[river plaza]

Nah

[idle glen]

If this games main objective was hiding, cloak should be nerfed. But guess what, you have to shoot to kill in this game. Catching you off guard is only your fault and your fault only.

[daring fossil]

so we're just going to ignore that you ruined quick cash and most people hate the changes. You guys really are out of touch. SMH. Welp I was hoping someone at embark would have a brain and maybe I could reinstall the game, but I guess not.

@jagged bough LOL yes it is, it's literally a couple lines of text. If they were able to add a LTM TDM, they were able to revert quick cash changes.

[jagged bough]

Why does the snowball ltm have no leaderboard.
Also @daring fossil that’s not something they can revert as easily as you seem to think it’s been a week chill out

[keen abyss]

Quick cash is so luck based

[iron wasp]

agreed. light healing is too fast. Heavy healing is too slow, especially for someone who doesn't have the movement abilities to get away from a fight, and who is expected to protect their team. This is especially noticeable in power shift (which I realize does not get the love it deserves from Embark)

also: let me react to messages in this channel, ffs. It would be less chaotic if you could just upvote someone's suggestion.

[unreal wind]

This event is fire🔥 , just pure fun and games in the arena!!!! LOVE IT (Are there rocks in the snowballs?)

[latent niche]

Rolling pin dual blades??? embark I love you so much omg

Embark I need you to know that giving everyone a free shirt for the event is so nice, it's so awesome I feel like I'm being handed a shirt on the way into an event to wear with all of the other participants and it's so cute 🥺
🥰
I know You will mostly see complaints on here, but I really appreciate what you're doing. I love the finals, it is so fun and it's not your fault that people have miserable lives and they need something to get mad at. It's not right for people to take their emotions out on Devs.
that being said I hope you have all had a wonderful year!!

Merry Christmas, happy holidays, and here's to another amazing year trying to reach the finals

[urban sail]

There should be an option to be able to have music playing in the background in game.

[warm compass]

new game mode : cash war 10 vs 10 cash 3 terminal until you reach and push to the last one , one of your team cashing holding terminal . the team that hold the terminal more through kill and cashing push the other team to next terminal

[dense ocean]

day 89 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[quick coyote]

Snow ball blitslz modes is just Monaco kinda repetitive and the spawns are the worst . My team basically rushes they're spawn and just recks the enemy. Not only that but the rewards are ok would've preferred a skin, the Santa hat was way cooler I still have it, but a basic T-shirt that has winterfest printed on it feels very lazy

[round hornet]

No he's not lol. It was and still is a gun with a lower fire rate and higher bullet damage.

The nerf was also much deserved, they just handled it in the wrong way.

[muted portal]

Real,any kind of silly or fun stuff heavy can do will be nerfed,in time the goo gun flamethrower combo will be nerfed as well

[snow mica]

+1

[night glen]

Good to see the "All Game Modes" are new again bug is back.

[river plover]

For me part of the reason why I liked the beta so much was that there was always a chance of capturing the cashout last second, quickly jumping in with shields to try to steal the cashout in the last second after you just wiped was a great and bad spawns stop that from happening.

I dont see why you would only have 5 seconds after wiping a team to set up defenses, respawns take about 25 seconds (walking back too) which is more than enough to place some mines and turrets, or even find some canisters. Only 1 person needs to steal after all.

[rugged ivy]

I'm getting arthritis from having to click every snowball

[void scarab]

[topaz jungle]

Add snow rolling mechanic, make boulders a weapon, also make secondary “pack more snow”. Also, add icicles as a pickup

[daring fossil]

REVERT QUICKCASH CHANGES, STOP RUINING THE GAME, PLEASE GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND

@clever hawk dont care, didn't ask

[urban sail]

Add mega ultra heavy to the menu music roster.

[clever hawk]

Whiny name ✅
Whiny post ✅

[thorn kelp]

https://youtu.be/82IksSrJeiU?si=fn-M1acutUPB6CjM

For those unaware @urban sail

Banger song. I couldn't agree anymore

[severe linden]

This event shows just how shit hit reg is in this game

[jagged bough]

They were working on the ltm before the season was out

[glossy elm]

As someone who has played since the Alpha, I really have always wanted the option to take a friend into the Training Area and scrim. It doesn't have to even be a game mode per say, it can be fully gentleman's agreement, but the option to 1v1 in there would be great. Even on the flip side, bringing someone in there to teach tech, it's very helpful.

[wintry plover]

Day 5 of me politely asking Embark to please revert the quick cash spawn changes. Thank you!

[plush fjord]

Oh ok, so in Apex, you have to shoot to kill, so Wraith's ability should be nerfed as well. In valorant you have to shoot to kill, so reyna's ability to go invisible during her ult should be nerfed as well

If a guy can aim at my head while comfortably sitting on one place, when I can't even see him, no matter how fast I turn around and shoot he's always gonna have the upper hand

Did that make sense to you? Room temperature IQ teenagers making no-logic statements

[idle glen]

Please read my message again with both your eyes, maybe even say it aloud

[prime edge]

Hey, I just wanna tell the team in Embark that this year in the finals has been an immensely fun year! I know that it's common to read people telling you that you've ruined X or please nerf Y so it can be hard to remember that there are people that do love Playing your game. My friends and I have been having a blast playing the finals and love playing together!
Balancing is never a straightaway thing and I'm sure that we'll get to a point where things are perfect... Probably. Maybe not but hey, here's to a better upcoming year!

Oh and I would love to see more hair styles, faces, and maybe even a Ospuze superhero themed outfit!

[earnest sonnet]

FSR 3 please

[pure arrow]

The snowball fight is SOOO much fun!

[stray wing]

Pls add snowballs as a real weapon into the Game

[latent leaf]

yeah you're right, I'm complaining about (and multiple others are defending) something that doesnt not exist

I've never heard it before today's update, and only in World Tour so far but holy F did I get showered with it in some matches
edited response because I was being a dck needlessly*

[warm compass]

add new game mode

[topaz jungle]

Revert all changes (ever)

[shadow patio]

too many cheaters ranked asia is a joke and making reports is absolutely useless if you arent refunding any RS, over 12 hours wasted because of cheaters

[mortal notch]

nerf dual blades

[compact peak]

Remove the clan with tag "HARDR" and name "RETVRN TO MONKE" from the game.

[muted portal]

Wild take melee is ass

[finite mirage]

ik the game mode doesnt really matter but i did 4100 dmg in a single match with strictlty snow balls and get to the main menu after winning and it says i have 1425 dmg dealt as a light?

[dreamy gull]

They just added one today?

[cosmic narwhal]

day 36 of asking for a ready up button

[vestal basin]

**Day 362 **

• After my friend list reached 100+, the game freezes for 10~30 seconds every time I enter the menu, this issue exist since game release, just remove the friend system if you can't fix it, PLEASE for god's sake

• Update after season 5 : Now it doesn't just freeze the game, it also kicks me out of party

---

And no, I will not remove any friends. I can't accept a FPS game that force players to wipe their friend list in order to play it, it's ridiculous

This game is unplayable and DEVs dont give a fuck about this issue?

It's the most bugged FPS game I've ever played, and bugs just wont fix until so many people complain about it, for example: The "stuck at loading screen" bug since game release to season 3

• Minor bugs that weren't fixed since game release: Can't shoot by chances, Can't sprint by chances, Can't use abilities by chances

I've spent more than 300$ USD on this game, im sure others spent more, but those bugs just can't be fixed???

[abstract eagle]

Recently game started to have very bad servers performance for me (i downloaded this game in speed of 152 Mbps and done speedtest it was 40Mbps/90Mbps/5ping also pinging google server gave me 26 ms all drivers updated) the game shows packet loss, low latency and stuttering as warnings and i can say warnings are accurate

[minor egret]

combat score isnt the same thing as damage, you gain combat score per damage dealt but killing and team wiping also adds additional score

[wicked hound]

Oh it’s new? I guess they didn’t include it in the patch notes for some reason, I haven’t played the new update yet.
My bad

[ornate igloo]

what rank are you guys in rn?

[abstract rapids]

add a match history menu. something similar to what valorant has. it'll be a nice qol feature for ranked

[lilac pelican]

is it dumb of me to want a Snowball master badge for this event? lmao

[thorn kelp]

I was playing with my dad on The Finals (this was his first time ever playing), and I couldn't help but notice how he never understood where the objective was and how to get toward them. This lead me into wondering how to make finding the objective a bit more easier for noobs to understand. I ended up stumbling across the quick cash tutorial and noticed how fluid the blue guided path on the floor was, updating as you traversed around

TLDR; (I'd be seriously impressed if this got added) Have a togglable setting to have the "quick cash tutorial - blue guided arrows" appear to help lead players toward the objective

[brisk halo]

love the event, very funny idea! I just noticed that the spawn trapping can kinda go nuts

[verbal bane]

Hello Embark Team,

It would be great to be able to challenge other clubs to private matches in game modes like Power Shift, Bank It, and Quick Cash. Would be great to be able to search for clubs by tag, and then invite them to private match, which would be available in the club screen. The match can be joined-and-entered by 3 - 5 players (depending on mode) while the teams are online.

[foggy orbit]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6oJYaJPIKI-7OyEkOE-0pMX5flps7nbCBHAMaDxyEg/edit?usp=sharing

[split fulcrum]

Is anyone else having trouble getting into games, I keep getting kicked while my party sometimes makes it in, I have reinstalled, reset network, and reset computer but it is more of a problem this season then previous.

[opal ocean]

Excellent idea, I second this

[viral fern]

Can we please remove the rolling respawns on Quick Cash. There literally no reason to try and wipe a team anymore, they just respawn in 2 seconds

[junior igloo]

add more minigames and make them all available in privates

stuff inspired by minecraft hypixel:

snowball spleef
bow spleef with explosive recurve bows
BEDWARS (you can break defenses with the games in-built destruction)
Zombies (I think this would be really fun on the finals)
Prop Hunt would be sick too thanks @pure arrow

Low-grav snipers with jump pads

Duels:

Bow Duel
Sumo Duel (INCORPORATE KNOCKBACK)

i love this game so much and i feel like it can be so much more as a base for other types of play because of how good its movement and destruction is. This would bring in a more diverse playerbase with players that enjoy these kind of stuff (I know i do)

[desert musk]

Idk if it's been said but it would be super cool to add multi kill recognition in the game. Both in post game stats and in game notificationslike Halo.

[pure arrow]

Prop Hunt too! ☺️

[brave copper]

little side modes dont need to be very good but just saying the snowball game mode is by far the laziest creation ive seen from embark...

[stuck fox]

make heavy heavier

[quick coyote]

please for gods-sake finally make a proper sbmm my teammates in random matchmaking appear to be either 8 year olds or complete brain-farts and do something about sniper campers they are horrible people

also i REALLY REALLYYY!!!!!!! hoped for input based matchmaking this season. finding one with cross-play off takes a huge amount of time bc many console players apparently quit the game. and with crossplay on i have a huge and unfair disadvantage

also just finally found a match after 4!!!!!!!!!!!!MINUTES of matchmaking and its a losing match 1 minute away from the end of it WTF!!!!

[worldly scaffold]

Or revive, not worth the time usually, if not close by. Also, new bodytypes, huge win, thank you.

[topaz jungle]

Make game Minecraft

[vast quail]

I like being able to see and smoke grenades prevent that

[shadow patio]

i agree with pretty much everything here except the last bit about gamemodes, i like cashout - especially agree the nerfed sliding part nerfing sliding was absolutely not necessary and just feels annoying as hell you cant even fully slide on that one small bridge in seoul anymore you get half way down it then slow down to a point where you're crouch walking, makes the game less fluid overall and its absolutely noticable in the worst way possible

[daring fossil]

my point was that quick cash was the only enjoyable and balanced mode and they ruined it with the season 5 changes

@round hornet I didn't say cashout sucks because of constant third-partying, but part of cashout sucking is the chance to be 3rd AND 4th partied. If you read my post, i said quick cash WAS the most fun and balanced mode, knowing you're only ever going to be attacked by a 3rd team can be accounted for. After the season 5 changes to respawns and being able to change class to hard counter anything whenever you want ruins the mode and now it's the worst mode besides terminal attack.

[mighty cedar]

"We understand you're frustrated with the game, but you can provide feedback without resorting to ableist slurs or being inappropriate and toxic towards our dev team. Take a breather."

stfu and fix the game instead of adding a useless limited TDM mode that nobody asked for.

[reef jasper]

only class that gets real nerfs is light and it's because of a skill gap... check on med and heavy kits too please

[runic sierra]

would like to see some other players feedback on this idea as well but WHY HAVE WE NOT DONE COMMUNITY SERVERS??

community hosted servers would definitely aid in the whole "grrrr i hate how unbalanced x or y is" or "the sniper sucks it should burn in the pits of hell" because they could just disable it themselves.

idk how viable or doable it is on a technical scale but i can definitely vouch that it would help with game longevity overall and get some dumb complaints of off embarks backs.

aside from that, when embark inevitably at SOME point has to close their main servers, this would give the community, however big or small it is by then, another way to continue playing the game.

also, it would be cool :3

[round hornet]

You claim cashout sucks because of third-partying but that quick cash, the non-stop third partying simulator, is the only balanced and enjoyable mode.

This isn't necessarily an attack, I just don't understand.

[surreal meadow]

because it actually required effort so they waited until S6 to do it despite it being worked on in S3

[modern leaf]

Dough Kneaders are pay-to-lose

It's already difficult enough dealing with server-side deflection, but to also do it completely blind...

[south mango]

remove snipers from power shift

[languid badge]

yo embark lower the resolution on your announcement videos they take forever to load in discord

[quick rampart]

balls

[sonic wigeon]

Just remove invis from the game, it adds nothing but ratplay to the game

[rapid stream]

You’re bad

[worthy reef]

Not really feedback, just love your guys’s game embark. Best fps like ever. Thanks for being cool 🙂

[crimson sapphire]

Buff pike so u can compete with the LH1s

[sweet dust]

Add more maps to powershift please🥺

[brave copper]

literally everything for heavy has been nerfed. Heavy stuff gets nerfed so hard no one uses it for a whole season before embark is willing to add back some power.

Light is countered by heavy but you cannot say heavy doesn't get nerfs if you read the patches.

[dry lichen]

This, I'm so damn tired of hearing "this reminds me of TTVnamehere in the previous season," and "Oh TTVthisname would be proud of that play" and so on. Its so annoying, especially when I'm streaming and don't care to send people to TTVbuttfaces streams

[upper citrus]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[undone swallow]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[near cedar]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[soft flame]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[stuck forum]

Would asking for a dreidel charm be too much? Christmas is neat and all, but where’s my Jewish shit 😔

[crisp heart]

PLEASE ADD 16:9 HUD SAFE ZONE FOR BIGGER ASPECT RATIOS 😢😢😢😢😢😢

[uncut gull]

Updated Dagger Rework Proposal (again)

This rework introduces a refined melee combat system, balancing consistency, risk, and reward to make the dagger a high-skill, high-impact tool for stealth-oriented gameplay. The goal is to enhance depth while maintaining balance for both casual and competitive players.

Mechanics Overview

Left-Click (Quick Attack)
Functions as it currently does in The Finals.
Damage: Fixed at 50 per hit, with no bonus damage for attacking from behind.
Delivers quick, reliable attacks, ideal for steady DPS.

Right-Click (Special Heavy Attack)
Introduces two distinct mechanics:

Heavy Stab (Instant Backstab):
Triggered by tapping right-click for an immediate, precise strike.
Damage Output:
120 damage if striking from behind.
50 damage if striking the front/sides or missing the backstab.
Focuses on precision and stealth, rewarding players with good positioning.

Lunge Attack (Charged Backstab):
Right-click and hold to charge a lunge attack.
Charging Mechanics:
Slows movement speed to walking pace during the charge.
Upon release, includes a small forward dash to extend reach.
Damage Output:
320 damage if striking from behind.
50 damage for missed backstabs or non-backstab hits.
Designed for high-risk, high-reward plays that demand careful planning and timing.

Balance Considerations

Skill Ceiling:
Encourages mastery through precise positioning, timing, and decision-making.

Risk vs. Reward:
Left-Click: Low-risk, consistent damage for straightforward engagements.
Right-Click: High-risk, high-reward mechanics that punish poorly timed or inaccurate heavy attacks.

Teamplay Impact:
Rewards players who incorporate stealth and flanking tactics into their team strategy.

Why This Rework is Unique

This hybrid approach combines a dynamic melee system with strategic attack mechanics, delivering a balance of speed, precision, and calculated decision-making. The rework complements The Finals' fast-paced gameplay while offering a unique melee system that’s rewarding for players willing to invest in mastering the dagger’s potential.

[versed hazel]

would be cool if yall unvaulted the previous years holiday skins too. I really wanted the old christmas skins but I didnt know how into this game I was going to be so I didnt want to spend money on it yet.

[uneven dagger]

hey embark, gimme some more mb skin packs and ill buy all of em

[reef jasper]

They get adjustments for the most part , not nerfs

Duals need falloff damage badly
New rifle needs less range
Etc

[toxic shadow]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[muted portal]

No

[gentle moss]

Add charge and slam for lights

[vernal path]

Charge n bounce

[latent leaf]

As a non-streamer I hate the game tossing some streamer's f@cking free advertising in my face but I hadnt even thought of being a steamer and having your litteral concurrents forcefully advertised on your own stream lmao
Embark needs to revise their copy here

[shy parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-not-at-all-boy-gif-18960229

[proper crescent]

Erm @dense niche

[misty ice]

get rid of projectile deviation on the KS-23

[quick rampart]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[quick coyote]

no plz

[rapid stream]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[autumn token]

@rapid stream @quick rampart Just don't use the voice channel and I think it's a problem that just a few of us really have

[brave copper]

"that gun that came out 6 days ago hasn't been nerfed so heavy never gets nerfs"

Those are the two newest guns. If you look at heavies other weapons, shields, and explosives, they have all gotten big nerfs. Maintaining that opinion is basically just a self report that you never read the patches, which is fine. But speak on what you know.

[gloomy anchor]

Feedback on the event: please dont include challenges based on getting a load of wins, its a 50/50 chance if you get on the better team and im sick of playing this snowball fight over and over

[velvet nexus]

unplayable matchmaking system atp every single match in every single gamemode goes like this

[sand hazel]

is anyone else deeply unnerved by the new event? the lack of music with the weird AI laughs is just super creepy

[wintry oyster]

Invis nerf was to much imo

[stray holly]

What great feedback
I love u all

[upper citrus]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[vernal scaffold]

The ranked system is a bit weird there should be a 15k limit in differences in players so a plat cant que with a bronze and then go agaisnt #9 and #4 in the whole game

[versed hazel]

I've won like 6 matches of the lame ass snowball mode and the challenge still only has counted 2/5 wins

[dry lichen]

Embark, the chaters in this game, and especially in WT and Ranked, are going fucing ham. It's the most blatant shit I've ever seen and every time I used to report I'd get a notification verifying my suspicions- reports that I no longer get. Is no action being taken or are you seriously not letting contestants know when they were right about the cheater they suspected? It didn't even tell us WHICH CHEATER (because I run into at least 1 or 2 possible cheaters every other game at this point) so WHY was it taken away? To dissuade me from trusting my gut? How am I supposed to know:
A) When I'm actually playing with a cheater
B) That you even care that I reported
C) That any action has been taken to make the game more fair for others

More and More people every day are being shit on by annoying ass cheaters, and so many of them are saying "If I can't beatemn, join em"

[neat forge]

Most boring event I've played on this game

[proven vale]

💀💀

[proper crescent]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[jagged cedar]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[scarlet robin]

put EVERYTHING in the shop, outside of the Ivada cosmetics from the end of the pass.

[rapid stream]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[quartz dirge]

Add pride flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having pronouns displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental misgendering. TYSM 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

[silent grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098665201408155658/1317627484614950912/sledge_leak_s4_4.gif

[deep arch]

Whos in charge? I have been playing this game since the beta and now my system can't run the game. This game needs to be optimized. I can't be the only one with this issue. I have an Xbox series S

[hollow badger]

add input based matchmaking

[bronze tundra]

so where does everyone get there hacks from. if everyone else is using them i might at well

[latent niche]

they're trolling. I don't believe they want this added to the game that's why they're being so gd annoying about it. online you can smear the opposing viewpoint by acting as them and making them look bad 🤷‍♀️

[muted portal]

Real

[gentle moss]

Please add ranked world tour

[terse glacier]

It’s a fps why would anyone need to know each others genders?

[stoic jewel]

+1 to this, a really good quality of life change for those on 21:9 or 32:9 ratio monitors

[minor notch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-pussycat-feline-gif-26001328

[solar narwhal]

I've wanted them to add pride items since june

[uncut gull]

Dagger rework idea

The left click is fine
charge right click is fine

what about adding a tab right-click to instant backstab?

I understand that just a simple tab right-click to backstab 320 DMG in the old patch is too op

and what about tab right-click to instant backstab with 125 DMG ? become a new third option
make yourself have a choice to choose about 50 DMG follow-up, or simple backstab for hit and run, or charging right for fully execution?

[frank jungle]

Literally no need

[toxic shadow]

I need them!

[torpid sky]

💀

[earnest sierra]

Consider hiring streamers from different countries to promote your incredible game. By the way, could you also add throwing axes as a mid-range weapon?

[wheat ridge]

fix usebug smoke plz

[naive root]

Please give an axolotl pet please

[silent grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098665201408155658/1317627484614950912/sledge_leak_s4_4.gif

[pseudo surge]

@subtle solar can we get a stop to the spam?

[rapid stream]

I play dagger I need some representation

[subtle solar]

all feedback is appreciated, let's try and keep the spam to a minimum please

[rain leaf]

What if i get afk in my team in ranked 3 times in 3 match ?

[frank gull]

maybe it shouldn't.
People really saying Defib shouldn't be a must pick while Light has been running around with a stun in hand since S1 is comedy gold & the irony is not lost on me.
Players should be able to steal, res, & open doors while stunned.
Stop treating light like a nepo baby & expect them to actually learn & play the game like the rest of the classes Embark. 🙏🏽

[quiet frost]

Sledgehammer skins please embark I’m begging you

[rigid shale]

if the belief being forced is LGBT people should be allowed to exist in the open, then yes, it should be forced. The Finals is no place for maga bigot shit.

[quick rampart]

Add ranked power shift

[oblique comet]

How do we send vids?

[daring ravine]

We badly need to get the ximming situation figured out for Xbox only lobbies. The xim users are out of control on world tour

[distant sluice]

NO SNOWBALL BLITZ LEADERBOARD???????????????????????

[thorn kelp]

Lovin the TDM gamemode so far 🙏

If we were to ever see a TDM gamemode actually featured permanently in The Finals, my one request is to make revives subtract $1000 cash from the opposite team

Love you guys at Embark

[median hamlet]

I want more fun skins for light MORE

[graceful snow]

I straight up love getting punished for wiping the enemy team by them spawning on the objective i want to plant my cashbox in, it is not frustrating bs at all

[placid agate]

what do you mean by saying light is a nepo baby?

[bronze tundra]

it is so bad right now. unplayable

[tropic snow]

I don't know how do you not "see it" since almost every cashout in eu goes like that but I'll elaborate:
The cashbox spawns 100+ meters from cashout, usually 125m, you wipe their team and maybe res a teammate, start moving towards cashout but by the time youre halfway there they respawned, and it's made so they're always spawning closer to the cashout that you're heading towards. Respawning team having pad,zip,portals ready just accelerates this(occasionally the wiped team is already back and camping the cashout), and no even if we had 25 seconds it isn't enough to set up.
Ideally you want to plan scenarios according to your team's and enemy's equipment/composition, move cashout to open area or indoors, create and consider angles, possibly entry points, safe area to back out as plan b, find right barrels, modify arena(destroying ziplines, bridge, cranes, hanged structures), set up ideally double level c4/breach, and after all that still climb up to hold highround before enemy pads onto you, doing these can take up to a minute unless youre on comms and everyone knows what they have to do.
If your definition of setup is throwing a mine on doorway and turret in corner, yea you can do that in 5 seconds.

[uncut gull]

rise up your discord rank

[zealous urchin]

I think representation and anything related to such for groups of people should NOT be acknowledged in the game. Involving such problems of representation takes away the neutral nature of what a game is supposed to be. There shouldn't be "hey all the girls get this" or "here's a charm to say we see you", a game is a place for people to have fun, compete, and socialise with each other, freely, without the mask of your identity.

[wintry oyster]

Even though I wouldn’t have a problem with pride flags as charms and stickers, I think adding pronouns for example is absolutely too much.
This is a video game. Not an activist platform.
If you feel the need to „express“ yourself that aggressively- use a different platform.
There is a reason why you don’t even have significant body types with for example bigger breasts or whatever.
Do people with different breast/body sizes feel left out?
Do slightly obese people only play heavy to „express“ themselves?
This is not a role playing game.
I think it’s a good choice that charms like that don’t exist. Even if that would be very minor, people would just always want more. And at some point it’s just too much.
This has nothing to do with not being noticed or whatever. It is just simply not participating in a highly heated social conflict that tends to escalate way too quickly.

[quick coyote]

Agreed, when you put it that way

Anyway, please add lightsaber skins for spear, sword and my beloved dual katanas embark!

[astral mesa]

There are daily club contracts - not worth a huge amount of XP but it's something

[silent grove]

this pls embark

[versed hazel]

the new ice skins look cool asf, whoever designed them good shit

[verbal bane]

Dear Embark Team,

Similar to my previous suggestion of "club vs club" game invites I think it would also be great to have a RANKED "Club vs Club" ladder match showdown with FIXED TEAMS which happens at times which can be coordinated between the clubs.

Club your way to the top of the pile!

[gilded hatch]

which head gear do yall think looks better

[modern leaf]

wrong channel

[thick sorrel]

The Finals Patch Notes 5.1.0 5.2.0 Teaser

Charge & Slam

• Renamed to Hulk Smash
  Dev Note: We thought the name fits better - usually used after RPG for a free kill.

Dual Blades

• Decreased Blades from 2 to 1

[wide ivy]

Skull and hat

[viral comet]

Please please please look into reverting the cash loss for team wipe in world tour.

And also look into preventing both vaults and boxes from spawning within a close proximity of each other.

Its exhausting to constantly deal with third parties in WT. I'd peg that WT has become more sweaty than comp because there's no punishment to third partying and also its incentivized by most of the spawns (within 20-100 meters on most maps) this season. The player repawns cannot keep up with how close the boxes are so even the player spawns are getting out of control and not working as intended per last adjustment.

[river plover]

I dont see how this was any different in the beta other than that people know the maps better now. Dont forget that your team has mobility tools as well tho. The Finals is supposed to be a chaotic "Fast-paced" (Fast paced as in theres a lot going on and you need to be able to react to things and improvise quickly) and a 1 minute respawn timer is way too much. Eliminating teams at the right moment and assigning people to do specific tasks (destruction/ gathering barrels) is more than enough to setup stuff. The Finals is a very teamplay heavy game after all.

@zealous urchin I dont see how something as small as a pride flag charm would stop people from having fun. What does a "Neutral" nature mean anyways.

@wintry oyster They said pronouns in Club Chat, they could make it so theres a setting in Club Chats to have it be that way.
Waddayamean "This is not a role playing game" since when is gender expression role playing? Also yea I roleplay as a tiny evil dagger person in this game or a crazy sledge mommy letsgoo.
(again I dont see what adding pride flag charms has anything to do with a "Highly heated social conflict")

[glass fjord]

limited time mode is kinda butt...

[upper citrus]

Add lgbtq cosmetics

[jovial oyster]

Being allowed to exist has nothing to do with anything that was stated above. gtfo and stop playing the victim cards.

[quick rampart]

Add Optimus Prime flag charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having Optimus Prime displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental Rollouts with the Disepticons. TYSM 🛻 🚙

[hollow dune]

Is anyone else not consistently igniting people or objects with the new shotgun

[shy parcel]

why is this lowkey facts

[red girder]

i'd like my games to stay away from politics as much as possible, you allow one you gotta allow them all, what about the flag of my country/home/political leanings?

cant we just keep that to one side and enjoy the game and what the devs feel like adding?

[tame crag]

Can’t play World Tour without crossplay being on, my average queue time has been around 15 minutes. There should be a console crossplay but not pc so there are more potential players online

[sonic arrow]

I honestly wish that new weapons/gadgets are outputted at a higher rate. As of this season, we only got 4 new items total, which is pretty good. However, people are going to get bored, because new items aren't getting added for another 90 DAYS. Even though the meta may change, the stuff we already have is not getting changed enough for it to be fun.

[timber helm]

PLEASE NERF DAGGER HOLY FUCK

[torpid sky]

I never said it should, fuck stun gun it should be removed from the game but after they hard nerf cns and winch first

[wintry oyster]

@river plover
Only because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean it has to be done.

Why do any gender has to express itself in the Finals?
I don’t see clear boundaries between female or male in this game.
There is not even a hint that this kind of question even exists inside of this universe.
So why express anything that isn’t even stated in any way.
It’s like wanting to fly a plane on a race track.
So then we need cis flags too or what?
Because they cannot express themselves properly in the same way?

It’s a useless discussion because real life rules don’t apply in a game like this except they are explicitly implemented.

It is a heated discussion because if we talk about pride flags, we talk about genderism in language for example (at least that’s what people do here).
This by itself however is not accepted by the majority in the first place and highly critiqued in usefulness anyways
So yes, implementing things up to that point is a gateway into this social discussion which is in fact heated

It’s basically the same thing with flags
Why not add Ukraine flags to show your support? Or Russian flags if you somehow support them.
Or other flags?

This is game has nothing to do with real life problems in any way

[mental portal]

Let people use gaming as an outlet to get away from problems

[quartz cedar]

leave IRL politics outside of mah game, thanks

[harsh wren]

Add a redcoat soldier with a powdered wig and musket

[brittle obsidian]

true....

[rigid shale]

OH NO DIVERSITY I GOTTA GET MAD ABOUT THAT /s

@daring fossil
"nothing wrong with diversity, but"

invalid opinion detected 🤣

[fathom tiger]

revert the respawn changes

[rain leaf]

Too much AFK in my ranked game actually, only my team

[daring fossil]

nothing wrong with diversity, but everyone is sick of stupid gender politics being shoved down everyones throats. congrats, you're a gay person with a penis who identifies as a woman, good for you, why should we praise or reward you for that? I don't get a participation ribbon for being a straight white man. These people complain about tolerance but are the least tolerant people to exist.

@rigid shale nice 5-head rebuttal, perfectly encapsulating the low-iq of the average victim playing weirdos

[jagged cedar]

Bro got dookie dumpstered by a good player and immediately took to the game feedback channel to complain.

@wintry oyster 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

[stuck sentinel]

💀

[zealous mural]

dogshit dev team. how long will you not ban open cheating teams, and HOW MUCH FUCKING MORE WE NEED TO WAIT FOR YOU TO ENABLE SBMM FOR FUCKING WORLD TOUR. WHY THE FUCK AM I GETTING 500 KILLS TEAMMATES AND RUBY 50 000 KILLS NOLIFERS FULL PREMADE ENEMIES? ARE YOU FUCKED IN THE HEAD OR WERE YOU DROPPED A LOT WHEN YOU WERE KIDS WHAT THE ACTUALL FUCK IS THIS SHIT WHOLE DAY LONG

[cold bolt]

add all maps to powershift, would like some variety in my warmup queues

[gleaming girder]

can anyone please tell me how do I get a red anniversary tshirt? Its not in my verified email, and not in spam folder.

[viral comet]

Add all maps to all of them. Bernal is beautiful but like by the time this week is done I honestly don't want to play it again when 9/10 map chances in world tour are bernal 😭

[jovial oyster]

Diversity doesn't/shouldn't equal special treatment. The end. Keep politics out of the game. 🤡 Stop trying to shove it down everyone's throats. Not everyone needs to know or care. It's a video game. @daring fossil said it better than I could have. 💪🏼

[nova osprey]

Everything but the pronouns seems cool

[muted portal]

Real

[shy parcel]

idk if anyone mentioned this but I think some pride cosmetics would be pretty cool lowkey

[onyx rain]

anyone elses frames dying in snowball blitz?

[red girder]

i crashed like 4 times trying to finish those quests

[misty ice]

you saw my post before it got deleted!!! ♥️

[smoky gust]

im loving 5v5 tdm so far
it feels like it was actually a difference in skill when we lost, instead of some unaccountable outside factor

id love to see more like it

[upper citrus]

add every country flag alongide lgbtq flags :)

everyone deserves representation :)

as long as the flag represents a group rather than a political idea it should be in the game (lgbtq people's lives are not political, they are people)

[rocky comet]

(not sure if mentioned yet) In snowball blitz, people are immediately running through the church and spawn camping the other team. Allow spawn flips to counter this bc it's impossible to get out of spawn and enjoy the game otherwise

[heavy compass]

embark bro

[autumn oyster]

BUG: when there are long nicknames in the match, the titles in the final scoreboard have wrong positioning so they are not above needed columns

[rain leaf]

Make afk definitive ban !

[sour verge]

No

[river plover]

Thank you emet-selch very cool

@upper citrus Trent you're such a chad, you def stepped up your game. Please keep forcing small charms you can't even notice on other players "down people throats" (like fr I dont think I've ever noticed a charm on another player ever at all)

[nova cairn]

😂

[nova osprey]

What does this even mean, just adding a charm doesn’t do anything to you, and does nothing but let someone express themselves. It doesn’t need to be seen by other people for someone to enjoy it, they just want to FEEL represented by having that choice, so letting people have a choice isn’t a problem, yet people seem to think it’s forcing it down their throats when all it is is having a choice.

[maiden swallow]

I wish they brought back the 2023 christmas stuff, even if it was a wheel thing again

[wooden onyx]

Please take a look at this petition, all console players

[daring fossil]

ok so people can go "look at me im gay" while all the straight people don't give a shit, and the ones that do can't "look at me im not gay"

@round hornet it's not like the devs even read or consider any of the actual feedback in this channel anyways

[viral stump]

This is why no one takes your kind seriously. You want acceptance but can't just leave it at that now we have to start prioritising your feelings over others because you feel under represented or what ever other weird take you come up with next. We don't need diversity for the sake of diversity. If you have something genuinely good and useful then you are welcomed but if you want a place at the table simply because you do well...no. you have to prove that you are sane enough to be taken seriously and you clearly are whipping out the victim card like the world hasn't pandered to you enough already

[round hornet]

DEI debate in #👂┇game-feedback

Surely this will be a constructive discussion.

@daring fossil true 😔 I don't even think the CMs bother with this place.

[formal swan]

anyone getting issues with weapons using the wrong animation

[frank gull]

I believe reporting it as a bug to the website might help.
There's egg mail
&
I think even a bug report in this discord.
https://id.embark.games/the-finals/support

[rigid shale]

"your kind" is straight up hate speech. The Finals is no place for hate speech.

@lilac coral it's only divisive for those who hate equality. everyone else is super supportive and chill about it. bigots can cope.

[tepid summit]

bring back the old christmas stuff

[cold bolt]

the following gadgets still don't have "unique" skins yet i.e. not just painted over but stuff actually going on with them

• explosive mine
• gas mine
• glitch trap
• gas grenade
• smoke grenade
• APS turret
• proximity sensor
• gravity cube
• gateway
• breach charge
• sonar grenade
• stun gun
• tracking dart
• thermal bore
• glitch grenade

[proper geyser]

guys is the ospuze pourin skin for ak rare?

[lilac coral]

It causes a divide by just having a convo what makes you think this would be a healthy thing to add into the game

[sonic ridge]

what is going on with that bug that you can't use left click midgame?

[rugged burrow]

Who else thinks they should add a ww2 bundle in the store

[celest berry]

Shotguns should not have 100% hipfire accuracy while running/jumping thats why they are so strong right now, no other weapons has 100% hipfire accuracy while jumping arround like a monkey

They obv. dont need the moving inaccuracy as a assault rifle because than they are garbage.

[mild sleet]

Solo bank it should come back and be permanent. Tired of having to play with a team

[coral axle]

I'm miss reg 50% of the time with snowballs

[nova osprey]

There is no reason a rainbow charm shouldn’t be added into the game. The only people who don’t want it so far are those who say it’s inherently political, when it is not in fact. All it is, is someone asking for a charm, a simple charm only they can really see. Nothing is wrong with asking, but people make it into a problem.

[proven vale]

No

[twin helm]

w

[brittle kettle]

Medium class needs a charge and slam like heavy I think it would positively effect the game’s sandbox

[ember dirge]

When sre we getting oz puze can skin for the sonar? 🤔

[quick coyote]

PLEASE ADD RANKED 2S

[lapis pelican]

true we need more gadget skins

[formal swan]

your game? u made it?

[upper citrus]

add sbmm to casual and add lgbtq cosmetics

[violet matrix]

What a boring season Embark is still mediocre and doesn't care about innovating by creating new game modes and they still haven't learned how to balance the weapons, they really disappoint and I say this with pain since I have played more than a thousand hours and it had become my favorite shooter, but now it is very boring, especially with the bugs and broken shotguns. Sadly The Finals will definitely die if this continues.

[cold bolt]

winter LTM feedback:

• short to complete challenges, like 7 matches max
  - boring and 1-dimensional

[gilded dagger]

Classes were a mistake tbh. Make everyone medium with slightly increased movement. Add secondary weapons. Only 2 abilities. Remove the gimmicky shit like swords and hammers. The game will be a lot easier to balance when you don't have to consider different health

Edit: by medium I mean the hitbox and HP. Available abilities would be from all current ones excluding the problematic ones like invis and dash.

@brittle obsidian Look at Steam Charts this might be the next XDefiant. That's why drastic change is necessary.

[tender forge]

no

[brittle obsidian]

xdefiant died for a reason bruh let it go

[rapid stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1303887194603393085/1314271782168956978/saj.gif

[ocean citrus]

Christmas/Halloween/Easter and whatever seasonal holiday event cosmetics should come back every year, pls bring back last year’s stuff

[woeful hill]

bros advice is to ruin the game and make it like call of duty. the gimmicky shit is what makes the game fun.

Poor takeaway if that's all you got from it.

[woven falcon]

Honestly a mode like that could be a good idea for attracting more players. I wouldn't play that mode myself though

[slender pine]

my game crashes like 5 times a day on PC 😦 its so frustrating. any fixes coming?

[fluid merlin]

@misty rock

This: it's so boring... Especially without the sound of shooting and explosions.

[delicate yoke]

Bernal feels perfect for power shift please give it to us

[shell ocean]

day 3 of asking to revert the respawn changes. Please 🙂

[brittle perch]

nerf tk and xp 54, buff sniper to be able to 2 shot mediums

[frank gull]

They could have just reworked them i.m.o
Making the C4 do 0 - 25 damage, & allowing whatever barrel contestant is using to double, or triple status effect, or AOE for red canister & glitch barrels could have made for fun chaos and add a lot more use out of barrels, and allow heavy to be the tank class. It should be through destruction.
I don't think anything in this game should die, Just balanced.

That mentality is what's killing the game.

Well said @foggy ginkgo -#👂┇game-feedback message

#👂┇game-feedback message - having a "if you don't like it here then leave" mentality hasn't worked out great for America, I hope you don't adopt this mentality for your game Embark.

[thorny lynx]

Hi Embark!
Loving the snowball event. Small, quick fun things like this are what will keep the game interesting, put something like it in the regular choices, call it "warmup"
More importantly, I am just under Diamond 4 in World Tour and this first 6 days were great playing. Now again, THE GAME IS INFESTED WITH CHEATERS. I almost cant make it through a lobby without one recoil scripter, rage hacker or ESP/Walls. It is INSANE. It is sooo bad it is rage inducing. I cant imagine the lower level players trying to like this game. You 100% need to get a hold of the cheating situation and not let it get to Battlefield 2042 levels in a game 1 year old.
I am a dedicated player, 1300hrs and spend $$ for the amazing skins and BP.
You MUST do better as a company to keep cheating out of this great game.

[muted portal]

Instead of nerfing shit into the ground buff everything else,it's not that hard to buff more than 2 guns a season

[stuck trench]

Nevermind. Embark never fails to cater to Reddit. Smh

[frank jungle]

The merry league and absorbe as perminant lobby music

[unreal fossil]

It would attract new players that would never blend in with those who've been there all along because The Finals felt different from the generic modern FPS bullshit that's everywhere else.

No offense @gilded dagger but that was a piss poor take. We've been close to what you're suggesting for a good part of S4, with lobbies filled with 3M stacks, so much so that some people renamed the game The Mediums. It was fucking boring. Going forward I hope Embark never makes that mistake again. A triple stack of any class should never be meta.

[remote leaf]

the snowball gamemode is fire! 🔥 🔥 🔥

[lapis pelican]

Embark pls don't add allat TYSM

[mystic timber]

hi guys, if you have a cheater in your game. what can you do as O have heard a moderator can maually ban the cheater if suffiecient proof are being brougbht on the spot Cas someoone comfirm me this is possible and how to do it

[upper citrus]

no, nukes should have been removed. you can argue they should add a new gadget with a similar functionality but they undeniably should have been removed from the game. they make c4 impossible to balance, the gadget is already good and any more utility will force it to be a must pick.

also, "if you dont like it then leave" is a perfectly fine mindset when responding to someone who wants to turn the game away from what it is at its core. the "buff everything back to old fcar levels" crowd should all leave. this isnt cod

@winged estuary the meta has been shotguns since release in high elo

[lilac garden]

I think the spawning for the snowball event could use a rework. Having wave respawns or changing where you spawn on the map depending on where the enemies are would prevent spawn camping.

[dense ocean]

day 90 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[unreal fossil]

The playerbase continuously evolves with the game, adapts its playstyle and refines its skillset from season to season. If it was only a matter of tweaking weapon/gadget stats, balancing would be easy. It's not.

FCAR or Lewis doing 25 damage per body hit, instant defib revives, Mesh Shield with more than 1000 hp, etc. All of these sound insane by now, but that's how it was in S1/S2, and at that time it didn't seem particularly broken.

[shy parcel]

add skibidi

[tiny pewter]

new mode is absolute doggy dogshit
super boring, a complete downgrade of the game you made lol

[real wyvern]

Considering this game has set recoil patterns, it would be nice if said patterns were not jumping around too much.
Good example of this is FCAR, which has some crazy jump to the right after like 3rd bullet (or maybe 4th).
Lewis kind of the same deal but to lesser extent.

It is mostly because I believe that such weapons cannot be used well by people who have better things to do than sitting in practice range for hours memorizing the pattern.

[frank gull]

The clipping issues just keep on happening.
This was also a issue in S1 & S3 with the bucket hat removing hair, & kosode upper body piece not being compatible with upper back items. It looks like they fixed the bucket issues, but @outer vapor you bring up a good point - #👂┇game-feedback message - All different eye types should be compatible with anime skin & of the 15 only 2 are.

There seems to be a lot of other clipping issues I hope you'll take a second look & see how your drip works Embark. If you can just let clothes be clothes that be nice & allow them to layer on top of one another that be nice.
I don't see why a lower back bag can't be compatible with a crossbody accessory.
I'm not a programmer, but even by game logic it doesn't make sense.
Not sure if it's a bug, or lazy programing, but attention to detail is always appreciated.

• A fan

[hasty jewel]

I agree. It's a fun event until one team pushes past the church entrance and it's just a game of killers vs killed at spawn. And with the bright light from a respawn preventing clear sight on entrance, you have about a half second at disadvantage when your team is already at disadvantage.

I think your suggestion about an enemy placement based spawn would be cool. Maybe have the spawns stay where they are but have it when 3/5 enemies are on one side of the map, your team respawn shifts to the other side for a 30-45 second period for a brief relief

[river plover]

nah mb I was trying to say that its stupid to say adding charms to a game is forcing something down peoples throats.
I think its very weird to think LGBTQIA+ is the same as politics

[nova osprey]

Got it, my bad

[lapis pelican]

Embark pls don't add allat TYSM

[dusk zenith]

Change the AI to stop mentioning that TTV guy every time anyone does literally anything in cashout, its getting kinda annoying

[formal swan]

all they should do is make it glitch defibs and nothing else imo

[minor notch]

Add cat charms, skins, profile borders, backgrounds, badges, and club tags! Also having cat pics displayed next to your name in club chat would help a LOT with accidental car crashers. TYSM 🐈

[echo urchin]

Dear lord, it’s concerning how many of you dont understand the following concepts: cultural identity, national identity, individual identity, social issues, political issues, religious issues, innate identity, sex, gender, sexual orientation, historical persecution, etc etc.

I also love people trying to wheel out the tired “go woke go broke” argument. Like, yeah, bud, COD is really struggling right now…

They introduced multiple pride cam packs for free to everyone, and BLM packs, and have always had every countries flag as a player card … and they’ve just been going straight downhill.

I shouldn’t need to put it but it’s obvious some of y’all wouldn’t under stand if I left it out so /s.

@coral axle Christ-mas, is a religious holiday celebrated by some people… that’s one of many examples. The whole “it’s a virtual game show 100 years from now and shouldn’t have anything from our real world” is a weak argument.

[idle pivot]

new gameplay boring

[shadow drum]

New game mode is boring. That's what he was also trying to say. Map is too restraint and the snowballs inaccurate

[coral axle]

yes lets add real-world social issue in a virtual gameshow that is set 100 years from now...

[fleet root]

the new game mode feels like a beta for tdm. I think the fixed spawns are annoying but not too bad. I like the event in general but I hope we get more with fixed load outs.

[lapis pelican]

Adding those could make some ppl dislike the game and also add toxicity like it did to cod games but would also give Embark a good opportunity to make some easy money if they were to sell those inclusivity packs

if they would add this, why not save it for the summer when there's the biggest market for it. Personally I'm against adding allat but yeah

[daring fossil]

I wonder at which point the finals was the most enjoyable.

This was from my steam replay, 66% of my total gametime in one year was spent in this one game, and now it's uninstalled. I want to play, but you guys seemingly are extremely out of touch and it's just not enjoyable to me anymore. You say feedback is important, but you don't listen to any feedback and generally do the opposite of what people expect you are going to do.

Please at the very least revert all of the quick cash changes from season 5, and maybe fix the spawns again, cuz the spawn adjustment in season 4 was even worse than previously. The general consensus is the quick cash changes are terrible and you guys are oblivious to it judging by the response i got from a dev on stream today.

[onyx tiger]

spear hitbox is still broken

[desert lily]

We all just got on to enjoy the new mode but why is it so bad

[lilac kite]

Trying to ban cheaters in a F2P game is going to be near impossible so better do like COD, and put players marked has cheaters in cheater-only lobbies, otherwise they will just make another account

[torpid sky]

hardware ban has been implemented last week

[idle pivot]

we see the snowballs hitting the players but they do no damage

[fresh vector]

the new game mode is bad

[shadow drum]

Snowball Blitz needs some immediate improvements if you really want people to enjoy it for it and not for the skins. It is just garbage: the snowballs hit players but don't do any damage 70% of the time and the game mode is just boring as hell.

[full umbra]

overall cloak nerf is bullshit! it used to be average and you were able cloak with little movement. now you cannot even cloak if you move a little(and im saying season 4 cloak was good they just ruined it in s5) now everybody is just going to run dash...
cloak was ok in s4, now its ruined!

[gritty grove]

WT shouldnt be allowed to low lvl !:

[analog hearth]

If your skill is better than the guy with the flamethrower, then you'll win.. it's simple.

@mortal notch ahaha. great argument

[snow panther]

Anyone else frames dropping in power shift

[fading cobalt]

Embark: We don't want to encourage as much FOMO.

Also Embark:

[dreamy marlin]

Love the new game mode, but why just one map?

[mental blaze]

Game crashed at the start of a terminal attack game and I got a 10 minute queue ban... for a non-comp game mode lol. Why is that a thing

[lapis pelican]

Because they don't want to add Christmas decorations to practice range and add it as a map

To the guy above me TA is competitive, it's just not a ranked gamemode

[warm epoch]

Power Shift can't run smoothly on a 4070

[upper citrus]

Terminal attack is listed as a competitive gamemode, because allowing autofills would kind of ruin the mode, they heavily punish leavers. Even on accident so that there’s no getting around the system.

You can fix this by not playing terminal attack. It’s ass

[forest kite]

light is saved

[pure arrow]

Exactly! Glitching everything across every class while 3 enemies surround your respawning body is equally as dumb as the triple medium defib chain everyone complained about (which was OP) but now we’re just sitting ducks which is just a bad from a different perspective now.

[hidden sand]

matchmaking in WT is so bad
Lvl 70, matching with a Lvl 2,3 WTF are we doing here. that's not fun for anyone.

[royal tartan]

So idk why but in typical finals fashion I I'm getting smooth brain cavemen teamates I mean that's normal in all gamemodes including ranked sadly but like the event is not fun either matchmaking is god awful but I'm not surprised

[proven vale]

This game literally paired me with a level 1 that just started playing what is this matchmaking system 💀

[echo urchin]

Looks like they do have sbmm

[fluid merlin]

@proven vale that's called sbmm. Or you're maining light, in that case you deserve it. :p

[finite wagon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myIR__htBgc

make vanishing ball inspect animations based off these movements please

[minor notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/670043342456881162/1085832417719353394/20221212_081634.gif

[teal bear]

Well cloak and dagger actually being viable for one week was fun while it last. I feel like half would have been a good compromise

[dreamy marlin]

99% of every cosmetic is available 24/7 but because the christmas cosmetics are just available for christmas they're hypocrites, sure, I dont even belive that they are going to make us unable to buy the items I think they are going to remove them from the store in january 2, how ever im probably wrong

[tranquil patio]

I got it sorted, thank you

[fading cobalt]

It's still FOMO right after they did the FOMO wheel.

All it shows is that the Alien cosmetic was brought back to sell a part of a $10 USD Battlepass cosmetic for like $20 USD because they knew it would make $$$.

[latent niche]

@whiteknight01#0000
I completely disagree with you
😠
this is the best season ever and the spawn changes made it infinitely better. it you want more punishing spawns then okay wt or tournament because quick cash is finally quick cash again to me.
Just because your opinion is your opinion doesn't mean it's everyone's you self absorbed (this is when I lost patience with you) narcissist.

Have you realised you've been a whiny little baby for like 2 whole seasons with your pathetic little name and seriously stunted attitude? YOU are out of touch. the Devs have done a lot of the list of things that I've asked for and they keep delivering more and more to me. You should just be happy you're not banned, get an attitude check you entitled sniveler and learn how to ask politely.

They're maybe seem "oblivious to it" to YOU because they're like an ice cream truck that has all the flavours everyone wants and keeps adding more at the neigborhoods request, and here you are- just this little miserable kid screaming in the ditch asking why there's not boysenberry ice cream.
Get a grip, you're irritating all of us especially I'd presume, the Devs of the game I like.
Go listen to
xX_CNS_SpaceCube50_mstrd.wav_Xx, think melancholy thoughts about your lost childhood, cry your face off and regulate your emotions.

[burnt notch]

since when was this a thing

[fast mortar]

Can anyone tell me if they got the email for the anniversary shirt? I have not

[paper hare]

I really don't like the snowballs and I think tdm would suck as a mode

[daring fossil]

lol like everyone I've talked to hates the quick cash changes. I also don't care about, nor did I ask your opinion. I've invested 1800 hours of my time, and spent a lot of money on this game, and it's been perpetually getting arguably worse. All I want is them to improve the goddamn netcode (why my name is what it is) and make quick cash quick cash again, because right now it's fucking TDM where you are punished for getting team wipes because of the lack of team respawn timer, and the spawns putting the team between you and the cashout, and fix some long time outstanding (some from LAUNCH) bugs, I don't think im asking for too much.

if you go back 6 months ago, I used to ask nicely, when you provide feedback for 6 months and ask nicely and all of it gets ignored and the things you ask for continue to get into a worse state, you tend to get frustrated and lose patience.

[mellow geyser]

Snowballs. What in the bloody hell is this garbage?

[warm epoch]

Make the snowball a skin for the goo grenade and add a snow effect to the goo cmon now

[bleak bluff]

Embark fix your game bro everyday I keep freezing today I’m thinking they are going to fix it they never did don’t care about ps5 players i don’t understand how can a ps4 player not freeze or lagging I don’t understand this so unfair I can’t even play the game 🤦🏽‍♂️🚯

[misty jasper]

you lack love from your parents

[azure ermine]

FIX YOUR MATCH MAKING TF

[wind haven]

thats a thing?

[warped axle]

Get rid of the ttv line ive only heard it once and i hate it

[harsh hinge]

Is there a way to speak directly with a dev from the finals?

[honest pulsar]

add skip button to jukebox

[frosty notch]

PLEASE STOP SPAWNING TEAMS NEXT TO CASHOUTS, ESPECIALLY IN WT AND RANKED.

[unborn jetty]

FIX SPEAR HITBOX

[near parcel]

how tf did mine get deleted and yours didn’t lmao

[quick coyote]

Can y'all add drones for spectators that have fun drone physics that u can disable for those who don't want a drone pov that'd make the game less boring when spectating for new players. And people still alive can see it

[high smelt]

let us use seasonal songs in jukebox! (old and new would be lovely)

[plush fjord]

Dont worry I actually had a brain to comprehend the message after reading someone's message.

[onyx tiger]

i think quick cash is a little too much for new players. its likely the first mode they try out because of how its placed in the lobby and how its name, "quick" cash, gives the impression that you should try it first. new players wont automatically understand world tour and they also wont dive into ranked. quick cash by itself may be too chaotic to anyone trying to learn the game; especially because it will pit you against really good players. my suggestion is to move quick cash off the main lobby play screen. I would replace it with a 3v3 cashout mode. A more controlled environment would be more welcoming to new players trying to dip their toes in the water and learn what the finals has to offer. quick cash would exist in the quickplay section. The goal here is to increase player retention so the game gets some recognition it deserves.

[frank gull]

& the Halloween maps!

[dark niche]

im sorry if i sound dumb but everybody complaining abt fomo is kind of dumb imo-
the wheel I admit was dumb. I missed like 2 days and didn’t finish it. also S1 bp skin coming back was weird. but complaining about seasonal cosmetics yall really?? you guys act as if this is the only game ever to have limited time cosmetics, and yall act like you’re going to buy them all and or want them all, when I know for a fact you don’t!!
anyways great season love it so far!!

[unreal zodiac]

FIX THE SPEAR RIGHT CLICK😭😭😭😭

[jagged cedar]

🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍⚧️

[gaunt kayak]

I've played over 15 games today and have had a teammate leave in every one I was doing ranked teammate left in first game and me and my friends made it all the way to the finals but lost because we doing a 2v3 I'm getting tired of this

[graceful tapir]

game has countless problems and u people be asking for gay flags instead wtf......

[harsh torrent]

We should be talking about the less noticeable things that affects the pacing and gameplay, and that is the goo canister.

Please fix the goo canister because they used to be so accurate, and by that i mean the way they deploy. After season 3 they just decided to plop randomly and sometimes even through walls.

Hope they see this instead of some dumbfuckers asking for gay ass shit

[hearty bough]

I second this, goo cans are super unpredictable and seem to deploy in random orientations half of the time

[native plinth]

who on earth is ttv croix and why is June keeps calling his name every 5s

[long oxide]

this game has a goated battle pass system

[frank gull]

what are you a power shift main? There is not a "long range Meta", & heavy is best at cqc I.m.o
1% of fights happened at long range.
99% of the fighting that actually matters happens on the cash out, or vault which take place in a close quarter room the majority of the time.
People aren't typically fighting over 40 M that's why they had to finally cave & get rid of the ridiculous and impractical Headshots contracts & completely reworked it from 100 m to 35 M.

• #👂┇game-feedback message - I didn't didn't know, now I now. My b. While I'm talking to you, I try to break the 4th wall & address Embark. My b. They don't read these, so don't read too much into my mistakes. 🫰🏽

[open elm]

its like any other battlepass system, minus being able to purchase past seasons

[polar grotto]

please make a medieval map and medieval season and my money will be yours

[stone halo]

😭 pride skins, accidental misgendering. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Having pronouns will make the game more toxic trust me lmao

[wintry trout]

bruh

[maiden shell]

I agree actually

[frozen ridge]

the cashout spawns are so predictable now, I'm now expiriencing teams where the teams have aimed at our heads before we even spawn, maybe have more newer spawns or faster respawns for the losing side on the top 2 in tourney cashouts. by losing side i mean the one losing side that after first cashout does not get win

[frosty totem]

TDM sucks. Make a BR mode.

[stray holly]

Hi I love you

[untold locust]

HOLY S*** that is not the TDM ppl wanted or deserved

[upper citrus]

Yeah it’s a temporary ltm because tdm is lame. I’m glad there isn’t a permanent tdm mode, this game doesn’t need one nor would it even work

[quartz oak]

I feel like losing in ranked is way too impactful. It’s really difficult to consistently win/rank up

[smoky sluice]

crazy how you bring back battlepass items to the shop but not last years christmas pack 💀

[quaint forge]

Fun being hard-stuck plat last season with your ass matchmaking and now giving me s4 ruby players from last season in my matches

[unreal zodiac]

Fix the fucking spear right click!!!!

[unborn jetty]

FIX THE SPEAR RIGHT NOW

[ripe escarp]

FIX THE FUCKING SPEAR !!!!

[vestal prairie]

It's felt this way since S2 to me but we didn't have exact numbers like we do now so maybe it's just placebo

[novel crow]

Embark: The dialogue recognizing a contestant from last season is great BUT ITS WAY TOO FREQUENT

[dark niche]

rank system is way to harsh and should be re done, i dont mind the points but the seeding is awful its a free game people can make alts and carry their friends, seeding system should be judged if you won previous matches judging from KD and W/L ratio in ranked, not the points given the finals some times can be very lucky with third partys, which isnt really good for a ranked match in general, i think in ranked maybe have everyone in 1 team go H/M/L to balance the whole ranked match instead of having broken metas like the MMM and now the HHM.

even losing 1300 is crazy
and only winning 900 from the whole tournament is a disaster.
should be win more lose less.
since your playing 30m to try and win
and your playing 10m to lose 1300 points.

[glossy wigeon]

Light is so unviable at higher play its nlt even funny. I remember why i quit this game.

[maiden shell]

Make the goo projectile from goo gun travel faster please, and give it a slightly bigger hitbox

[barren silo]

Delete Kyoto from the game files it fucking sucks

[light pecan]

Goo gun is kind of eak rn, especially in combat scenarios. It seems to really shine ith time to set up, but the fortifications are honestly uite easy to break ith nades or charge n slam. I think an alt fire for the goo gun, like a goo nade or blob of goo (like hen you pop a canister in the air except able to stick to alls or floors) that ould cost a lot of ammo ould make the goo gun substantially more usefull ithout making it overpoered

[slender pine]

if i kill a team, how do they spawn closer to the cashout? so its an advantage to be killed first??

[maiden shell]

I just wish projectile speed was faster and the goo projectile was a tad better. But I really love your recommendation as well.

[silent grove]

fcar scope on sledgehammer pls embark

[tired bear]

need this
my heavy friend keeps missing his swings

[restive pivot]

Please add a system where if a player leaves a match early, they can’t join matchmaking until that match is over. If they join a squad, the whole squad should also be unable to start matchmaking until the original match finishes. However, if someone disconnects due to technical issues, they shouldn’t have to wait for the original match to end before matchmaking again.

[naive hinge]

the medium nerfs were really bad for the game. Especially jump pad. If heal beam is not meta then what is this game for? last seasons meta was so much more fun. We have demat+model as the only playable medium loadout in ranked. Ive never used that and i do not want to play light. so i guess im forced to play this heavy if i want to win and its not fun for me.

[tidal storm]

Where is this feature? I'd love to actually hear player names?

[frank gull]

there's always been a HML meta I.M.O
the problem was always getting your Light to coordinate & assist the team.
The Finals was a new, raw, revolutionary; & had a genuines design for gameplay.
Low IQ self-centered lights just never wanted to learn the way, & forced Embark to shrink there game to there will. Even with all the nerfs to Medium & Heavy they're still crying that the class isn't viable, & expect even more one-sided nerfs & buffs, & could careless about what's balanced for all classes, or overall gameplay.
Light just want the chance so solo squad wipe & this ain't that kind of game.

• #👂┇game-feedback message - @placid agate to give you a idea.
  Nepotism is the unfair use of power to provide privilege, & advantages.

[idle glen]

Then why do insinuate i said the complete opposite of what i truly said? I said if this game was about hiding, yeah nerf it . But seems like i have to literally spell it out for you. I t i s n o t. So there is no reason to nerf cloak or any other inviz ability in other games. By the way reyna and wraith both are invincible as well as invizible so dont even think about comparing these games with one another

[snow crane]

Add feature to report players for griefing/trolling

[analog pilot]

I just wanted to say that quick cash is atrocious now. The faster spawns combined with the awful spawn logic has made this game mode TDM with a sometimes side objective. Please revert these spawns, I'd rather sit at a spawn screen for 40 seconds then deal with a never ending torrent of enemies.

[mighty arch]

Quick cash is better now

[viral stump]

I am actually for this so I know whos a delusional sociopath and who isnt!

[stray holly]

Hi i love you

[wild hedge]

Just stopping in to say the light class is easily the most annoying class in any class based game I have ever played. I will never not hate them.

[uneven dagger]

In before Cerberus becomes the next “op weapon”, do not nerf or buff it you guys did a fantastic job balancing it

[proven vale]

How boring

[warm glade]

bro why is it im only ever queued with players below level 20 like what circle of elo hell is this????? like goddamn half these mfs cant do anything and now every post game screen 95% of the time i get new players that just walk around aimlessly

[polar grotto]

i think sniper scope would be better but if embark added all scopes to sledgehammer

i will grind for all of them

[slim dove]

Please add way to play again with the previous teammates! I am tired of playing random! Always ended up carried the whole team

[pale quest]

so you guys are fully capable of making team dm we been asking forever just choose not to?

[wooden drift]

can we get the past ranked weapon skins in the store for multibucks

[smoky sluice]

for 200k multibucks pls

[blissful bridge]

ADD SOLO BANK IT BACK TO CUSTOM GAMES

[wraith orchid]

bullshit, its just significantly harder to coordinate as someone who has the task of ambushing SOLO. ofc you guys have a easy time if all you need to do is stand so close to each other that you can smell each others breath. yall just dont see the insanely higher amount of gamesense and skill a light would need to bring up to coordinate perfectly with the team. YOU ALSO COULDNT DO IT.

just stpd people around here i cant no more

[dusk sentinel]

where can i upload a unreall error to get solution?

[keen abyss]

Demat triple model was really fun definitely brother

[fair osprey]

Here's the tiniest thing I could ever ask for
When you ping a screen that shows your player on it, your character should say
"Hey it's me!" or "Look ma, I'm on TV!", etc.

[minor notch]

Since I have nothing better to do, today shall mark the day I start begging embark for a weapon with a binary trigger

[waxen grove]

Nukes and 150 dmg rpgs also were fun

[slate vessel]

New gamemode is nice but needs spawn camping protection maybe change spawns if too many members of one team are on the others spawn

[sour rapids]

Please do a recount of season 2 ranked

[sterile yew]

fix the m11 invis sitting in a corner meta, cant play anything else than that when u fight someone with it,

[dull kettle]

For the love of fuck can I get a goodbye emote

[idle glen]

Thats nice but if this game is not about team wiping alone how come a medium can do that and a heavy (and possibly a really really good and lucky light)? There just is such a huge gap in power between these classes and i dont know how you dont see it. If light is the stealth class then its useless bro.i need to shoot my gun at some point, not just breathe in another teams necks. And when light is fighting it is just in a losing battle. This game is so unbalanced that some medium guns have better ttk than light guns. But hey if you think light is so balanced please main it for a while and try to realize how its just the worse version of the other classes.

[blissful bridge]

ADD SOLO BANK-IT BACK AS AN OPTION IN CUSTOMS

[pseudo latch]

A “recount”? This isn’t an election lmao.

[lethal shoal]

cant you already play solo bank-it in customs?

[quartz osprey]

STOP THE COUNT!! STOP THE COUNT

[pale quest]

I don’t think he would be asking if he could

[rough shell]

matchmaking needs fixing. I didn't play since beta just to have level 1 players on my team every game

[dark niche]

the commentator really needs to stop saying TTV scroix or whatever his name is

[proven vale]

Skill issue

[quick coyote]

not true, you could be bad at the game

[edgy urchin]

who needs skill when u can sit in corners fully invis 😼

[carmine thistle]

Invis was literally nerfed from like 2 minutes to 33 seconds like make it make sense
Massive skill issue honestly

[red echo]

its scruy , stop disrespecting the finals goat

[shy parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1251234331364429895/1311515207406850088/scruy_tweakin.gif

[cedar cave]

the cerberus seems like a viable option now that it applies fire properly. I still feel like the model is better even after the nerfs, but i have seen people slay with this gun so honestly good job on the balancing.

[maiden shell]

hold on so the announcers say our names?

[harsh fjord]

can we gets some music in the snowball fight mode please dude the game feels so awkward right now

[river plover]

do we still get penalizd for leaving a game after a teammate leaves?\

[nimble kiln]

The finals ''goat''

[elfin dock]

FUCK THISI 5 SECOND COOLDOWN

[misty ice]

Get rid of projectile deviation on the KS-23, it's already a skill based gun it doesn't need a randomness aspect to its reliability.

[latent leaf]

Streamer hivemind drones lmao
its just annoying regardless of the name

[hard badger]

can anybody tell me why I get so many games with suspended structured in quick cash?? I hate when that happens...

[viral stump]

The net code needs to some serious, serious looking at in Asia servers. Genuinely atrocious. Not tryna complain, simply pointing out it is genuinely very bad. I dont think I've been killed this far around corners in a loooong time

[tall kernel]

The game feels so nice right now. Love the invis changes, love the heavy shield changes and love the defib changes. New guns are fun to use, feel like new medium gun could use some love tho but still fun to use. New map has to be the best map out so far. Season 1 still had the best battle pass skins though. Thanks for working hard on this game and I’m loving season 5

[merry creek]

Now ps4 added please can you change console crossplay back to old settings... I.e only placed in PC lobbies if partied up with PC players!!

[tacit imp]

ur game is fucking dogshit REMOVE bernal or fix the fucking spawns for godsakes. REMOVE double cashouts and just make each cashout consistent. remove all the OP ass gear lights can use. Balance ALL the weapons so its not impossible to play against if im going scar against famas or literally anything toehr than the fucking AK. THIS season is NOT IT. people are gonna get more and more tired of this shit ass meta gameplay and leave and take a break until this shit is fixed. none of base game mechanics of the game being a third party MACHINE is fun at all. its shit and needs to be fixed. Go back to season 1 or shut the fucking shit down.

[keen heath]

Time for a quality of life suggestion
Give the ability to have hot keys for all emotes instead of just the top one

[umbral swift]

Please make old Battle Passes and other old cosmetics (eg events or circuit contracts or such) obtainable again. If people could buy old BPs whenever they want to then grind out at their own leisure or grind out contracts or such to obtain old cosmetics again, you’d get way more money and players from those who are interested in past content but can’t meet the time constraints to do so normally.

Permanently locking people out of things is really punishing as a player and consumer and feels genuinely shitty and unfun. I get exclusivity is an appeal, but most people would still go for the cosmetics anyways because they want the cosmetics for looking good or to use or to collect. The amount of people who would absolutely refuse to get something unless it was permanently legacy is easily drastically less than those who would spend money or play this game more often/more players/etc if it was still possible to obtain older rewards instead of essentially a “fuck you, too bad, too late” which honestly just becomes a constantly increasing deterrence to new players who will be locked out of more and more and more content as time passes.

You’ve already done something similar enough with the Halloween times and bringing back the Alien content from the S1 BP. Please consider consumers and players who’d love to play this game more/people would be far more willing to start playing or play more/people who would be willing to spend Multibucks or money to be able to unlock access to old cosmetics again, or buy older BPs so they can spend time grinding it out at their own time, meaning tons of guaranteed playtime since not just selling the rewards directly. I know I definitely would for basically anything and everything in S2, BP and otherwise, easily.

[high wing]

season 5 is already a disappointment

• no ingame profiles
• no match history
• no ping indicator
• no direct DMs
• not properly showing ingame status in friendslist (e.g game time, round, etc)
• not fixed and working netcode
• not fixed proper hit registration
• no functional and fair respawn system
• no proper and clear stats on weapons (numbers)
• no ranked solo queue
• still spectating enemy with aimhack and wallhack when getting killed
• defib nerf? still too strong
• no local currency prices on ingame shop (EU will eventually force embark to change this)

[stuck rock]

embark please add season 1 and 2 wining soundtracks for the in game music. would be awsome. the jukebox in the menu is sick as well but it would make it even better

[opaque moth]

sounds like skill issue to me lol, you think scar vs famas is impossible? bruh

[north thunder]

Is there anything you like at all or are you just tilting?

[fierce veldt]

➕

[vapid latch]

bait used to ber believable

[magic sigil]

The new quickcash changes makes the mode too TDM based imo. Definitely needs to be addressed

[red echo]

so much complaining , you never gonna be satisfied , also wdym no ranked soloq?

[craggy nova]

I cannot use text chat in game sometimes please fix it on pc..

[oblique comet]

Embark can we get the boombox emote, but with christmas music instead?

[toxic shadow]

Never seen a person get so unreasonably mad over a 3 letter prefix that streamers use. Really aint that deep pal...

[olive rose]

The only thing I would ask to be added is a 5v5 quick cash mode, The reason I love the finals so much is the game mode combined with the player freedom and the endless strats you can do as a team. The current 5v5 game modes dont feel like the finals to me and dont play nearly as good as quick cash IMO

[verbal bane]

Dear Embark Team,

Will we ever get bullet penetration of walls? Would be great to mag dump on people trying to hide in buildings.

EDITED to add:

"Stealing game mechanics from Rainbow 6 siege"? Really? Plenty of other games have bullet penetration mechanics. If you want to criticize a suggestion, don't be a dumbass about it.

EDIT 2: Of course there are other ways to deal with players camping in buildings. That isn't the point. The point is adding another way to damage the environment and players

EDIT 3: "Doesn't make sense that bullet can go thru literal walls" - This is patently false. Bullets penetrate walls. https://gundigest.com/gear-ammo/ammunition/terminal-ballistics-shooting-through-walls

[oblique jay]

Dear Embark, please steal mechanics from rainbow six seige, sincerely Panther_Modern

[sterile yew]

looks like someone doesn't play anything but m11

[fierce veldt]

1)There are other ways to counter people camping in a building
2)adding bullet penetration would make dfending so hard
also doesnt make sense that bullet can go through literal walls

[carmine thistle]

Sure, I mean I main Lh1,m11 and Use 93r too so learn to hear them I guess?

[sterile patrol]

we have a map destruction for a reason...

[umbral swift]

Embark, please never add bullet penetration, The Finals not having wall banging is part of what makes it so good. Adding wallbanging would make detection like sonar or motion sensors and so on much too strong without massive nerfs or total reworks, while simultaneously also taking away some of the value from tools like Dematerializer or destruction if you can just shoot someone through a wall and not bother.

[upper citrus]

Embark, please add bullet penetration, The Finals could have wall banging as part of what makes it so good. Adding wallbanging would make detection like sonar or motion sensors and so on a much more viable pick while adding complexity and depth to tools like Dematerializer or destruction if you can just shoot someone through a wall and not need to destroy it.

[toxic shadow]

Embark, please add bullet penetration, The Finals could have wall banging as part of what makes it so good. Adding wallbanging would make detection like sonar or motion sensors and so on a much more viable pick while adding complexity and depth to tools like Dematerializer or destruction if you can just shoot someone through a wall and not need to destroy it.

[finite galleon]

No offense but I'd rather not see wallhacks in my game after the season 1 incident

[river plover]

Offense but wall banging is the most awful mechanic gaming has ever created.
Reasons why you shouldnt add it: it wouldnt be fun at all and would make the game actively worse

[mortal sundial]

Embark, please let us choose multiple skins for a piece of equipment and then it chooses them randomly when spawning. The weapon animations have this and I would end up buying more if I knew I'd get use out of all of them.

[subtle mulch]

wall bangs would be very bad especially since people already struggle with getting killed behind cover due to server side bullets does not happen a ton but when it does it feels bad

[latent leaf]

I wouldn't be bothered by it if I didnt 1) get showered by it in my matches, 2) get the free advertisement of people I don't care about and optional 3 : Streamers get their litteral concurrents (as in concurrents to their livelyhoods) advertised against their will on their own stream which; forced advertising of your concurrence on your own turf is at the very least a dubious move by Embark. I'm all for them interacting with their players but they should give us the option to turn that off (via Streamer Mode for example)

(I'll add that the form was for comedic effect and mild annoyance, not actual anger because not everyone can get it)
ReAlLy AiN't ThAt DeEp pAl

[errant python]

wall bangs dont belong to finals

[lapis pelican]

Embark pls don't add allat TYSM

[left jetty]

Instead of a riot shield that hardly anybody plays, can we rework it to a "buckler" that's mainly for parrying? For example well timed right clicks while holding it will give it a chance to reflect projectiles back, etc... and keep left click a bash or some thing anyways that'd be cool

[smoky gust]

is it just me, or does the shak sound a bit like a train?
that being said, i think a skin like this would go hard

obviously cant /shouldn't be a carbon copy
but even as a toy train for Christmas it would be awesome

[quick coyote]

They can't add wallbangs afaik. Because the destruction you see is pre baked in the meshes, so you can't make it even smaller and have seperate "destruction" for wallbangs with bullets and explosion/charge/hammer and demat! If it was, KS23 would be doing it already....

Also, this is the same reason you can't make demat holes in same size everytime. It differs from object to object

[rapid depot]

Every week there are some contracts that are bugged, unbelievable

[carmine thistle]

Make a Dissun Lh1.Ak,93R Skin and my Money Is YourS

[neon kettle]

yeah last time it was only one, now there's two for me, the get 20,000 cash in cash out matches, and the arena carriables.

If they're the ones that get bugged, maybe just don't add em?

[tall wave]

Earn $20000 in a round 4 times challenge isn’t tracking

[covert bramble]

💀

[empty minnow]

Got punished for 30 minutes when my two teammates left in ranked tournament after last season where that received no penalty. I was used to quitting and starting a new tournament but I got a 30 minute ban. Would like that teammate leave detection back, please. They had fully left just dashes on their namese

[hollow badger]

sledgehammer inspect like this

[coral turtle]

medkit or defib is so useless now

[dusk copper]

Medkit?

[proper chasm]

There is currently a bug floating around that causes the game to crash your PC if you tab in and out using full screen apart from just kicking you out of the match and getting you a match suspension this also resets all of your settings to default

[sleek granite]

Hi Embark, unfortunately sometimes i have to play with really toxic players and blocking them disable their messeges but not their pings. It is really often for those kind of players to spam pings all the time, they wait untill the the cooldown and spam till you can't stand it. It is really annoying to hear those pings all the time. It would be nice if blocked players pings would not be shown to me.

[sacred monolith]

I've been playing The Finals for over a year now, and I have obtained more cosmetics than I know what to do with (because these are honestly some of the best cosmetics I've ever seen in a video game). Could it be possible for Embark to make a function in the 'Style' section for us to save our character customizations? I'm talking Body Type, Face, Hair, Eyes, and all of the clothing options being included. That way, I could just click on one of my saved customizations for any one of my contestants and instantly have the exact look that I had before.

[hoary vessel]

nerf m11 firerate and damage its too strong

[torpid sky]

no

[frigid lotus]

i disagree with wall banging but bullets should be able to go through the leaves of the trees in bernal. you can literally see through them. and they are LEAVES

[upper citrus]

i think june needs to say this

[hybrid fulcrum]

Hitting opponents with gas barrels, red canisters don't seem to be counting in Powershift for the hit opponents with arena carriables contract

[fresh widget]

The new red dot makes me sad 😦

[bleak frigate]

power shift

needs some love

(and maps)

[frank gull]

I believe the issue is they way they addressed it. With a lie... They said the reason for the Re-Releas was to prevent FoMo, but the issue at hand is Embark gave players there word it would be *exclusive.
At least that's how it was advertised on there own website. Many players insisted they make the Re-Releas a different color to right the wrong; like they've done in the past, the most popular request being purple, or grey.
That being said it was a poor excuse as the skin (bundle) was still a limited time, & it was quite clear they had no intentions of releasing Beta, contract, or twitch drops that were no longer available. Then to add insult to injury they released the wheel... One of the biggest FoMo events I've ever seen, & now they're advertising the Christmas sets completely different from other in store items while also - #👂┇game-feedback message - @smoky sluice brings up a excellent point.

Players are just frustrated with Embark since they never addressed the lie with an apology, however I understand it's probably best to just ignore the issue, however advertising more FoMo is like putting salt in a wound that hasn't healed yet.

[inland plume]

Hitting arena carriables doesnt register weirdly, at least on Bank It

[dusky seal]

June says those TTV.scruy lines too damn much, i like the idea of including community lines but it's basically every other line at this point lol

[quick rampart]

the model still does damage and can shoot people it needs to be nerfed

[oak swift]

can heavy dash please have speed dependant damage cause it really isnt have that both classes after being defibbed can just be killed if the heavy stands and press Q in your face

[frigid nexus]

HITTING WITH ARENA CARRIABLES IS NOT REGISTERING (YET AGAIN)

[astral dune]

Buff the CL-40 👍

[torpid sky]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[hybrid fulcrum]

I think the arena carriables are bugged, played a powershift and got 3 hits, after game had 0 still (gas canisters+red barrels)

[foggy orbit]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6oJYaJPIKI-7OyEkOE-0pMX5flps7nbCBHAMaDxyEg/edit?usp=sharing

[granite schooner]

the finals is the last game that needs anti-camping measures.. there are so many gadgets that prevent this

literally every grenade, traps, sonar, motion sensors, dematerializer, the entire destruction mechanic, arena carriables etc

the list literally goes on forever. this is the last game I imagine when I think of a corner camping problem lmao wtf??

to your reply, shooting through walls and sonar is a ridiculous mix. I already get shot around walls when the servers are compensating for lag, it doesn't need to be worse.

[verbal bane]

It's not an "anti camping measure".

It is an additional way to do damage to players consistent with the destructible environment philosophy.

I can't believe I have to explain this.

[mortal notch]

Nerf snowballs

[dark niche]

Nerf sword and Model
2 most annoying things to play against
shak may also be up there, lower damage gve extra 4 bullets or something

[tame owl]

This

[mystic zodiac]

More commentary from Scotty and June in the snowball game made!

[rough meteor]

add an option to exclude maps from the map pool when queuing in casual play (ranked isnt active enough for this imo)

[vestal basin]

**Day 363 **

• After my friend list reached 100+, the game freezes for 10~30 seconds every time I enter the menu, this issue exist since game release, just remove the friend system if you can't fix it, PLEASE for god's sake

• Update after season 5 : Now it doesn't just freeze the game, it also kicks me out of party

---

And no, I will not remove any friends. I can't accept a FPS game that force players to wipe their friend list in order to play it, it's ridiculous

This game is unplayable and DEVs dont give a fuck about this issue?

It's the most bugged FPS game I've ever played, and bugs just wont fix until so many people complain about it, for example: The "stuck at loading screen" bug since game release to season 3

• Minor bugs that weren't fixed since game release: Can't shoot by chances, Can't sprint by chances, Can't use abilities by chances

I've spent more than 300$ USD on this game, im sure others spent more, but those bugs just can't be fixed???

[inland plume]

yeah definitely bugged

[static oar]

100% not working, I've hit so many people with different things and it's sitting at 0 still.

[royal forge]

FOR REAL like bro we get it, you like him, let me play the game dang, be finding every way to relate what's going on to him

[frank gull]

If Apex can do it so can you Embark. BELIEVE!

[sonic arrow]

Once again, the holiday themed events started way too late. It's less than a week until Christmas, and the event only JUST started. Really??

[small wolf]

will the finals ever get hdr support?

[upper vortex]

If someone has multiple bans on record on steam from other games they should be instantly banned from finals. How do you let someone cheat for 2.2k hours already?

[quick coyote]

the game still kicks console players out of the party after a match. please fix it it really really needs to be fixed

[mortal notch]

Nerf dual blades

[dire scaffold]

Same. Fantastic Idea 👍

[proper crescent]

I concur

[vale acorn]

I'm enjoying Snowball death match, it would be nice to see the mode get a more permanent version 👍

Terminal attack was nice too, variety is always good.

[worthy reef]

Give melees scopes too embark please

[lilac coral]

Gone stop this why were left with T/A

[quick stag]

Gun make boom. Make gun boom bigger

[tame owl]

Charge make win. Keep charge make win

[violet walrus]

Agreed!

[silent grove]

scope on sledgehammer pls embark

[vale heart]

Love this game !!!!

[timber helm]

ok but why can dagger one shot

[viscid snow]

bc u need skill to use it

[untold locust]

Dis game gud

[torpid sky]

it can't one shot u if you're good enough
@subtle mulch the what now?

[subtle mulch]

yeah funny thing is that the light spin kill bug still exists, just happened to me 5 times today and plenty of times before where they dash into you and spin and it technically is not a backstab which you see from the heart icon on the knife on the kill feed but if they are doing the bug it does not appear which means to me it should not exist?

[frank gull]

Embark🗣️📣 Please consider reworking dual blades & BRING GUTS SWORD 🗡️ INTO THE GAME! 🙏🏽 - #👂┇game-feedback message

• #👂┇game-feedback message
• #👂┇game-feedback message

S6 will be here in no time & you can finally release your knight suite you've been keeping from the community.!
Listen to @usernameis_unavialable#0000 ! It's time to fulfill the prophecy & save your game!

• #👂┇game-feedback message

&
Right the wrong @modern leaf faced. Nobody should pay to lose!
You could justify how thick the rolling pin is in the ginger snapper set.
(Hopefully fixing the visual practically in the process) Plus all the skins could easily be reworked into a heavy sword & look miles 🆒er in the process I.M.O.

[proven parcel]

Winter maps look so much better. Pls bring to ranked

[topaz jungle]

Not a bug, that’s a feature. Server (and other types of) latency I think makes the shot appear off sometimes. Submitting another request to buff dagger, ty

[chrome basin]

GET RID OF THAT FUCKIGN STUPID WAIT 5 SECONDS TO LEAVE THE GAME. I am gonna just press alt f4
Id rather restart teh game then wait for that stupid shit. Why would I need to wait 5 seconds when the match is over in 10

[shrewd echo]

[Place feelings here]

[burnt notch]

Bro cannot wait 5 seconds XD gen alpha is doomed

[autumn warren]

I love the sights but hate the reticle! The famas, pike, and lh1 are useless to me at a range because my brain refuses to accept the arrow sight as a good option. Idk why I’ve always had problems hitting shots in games with the arrow reticle. Allow me to switch it to a dot or a cross!!! It wouldn’t be hard at all and would make me so happy pleaseee embark!!!

[gloomy anchor]

Only stuff that costs real money goes in the DLC list

[austere delta]

Real. Chevron reticles are objectively bad, just give us a dot or if you're so insistent on something else make it a T or crosshair reticle

[hardy bridge]

Because it would be shit if it couldnt

[covert yacht]

This shitty plug meta has to change its so boring wipes are basically just nothing to worry about and its just the same shit every game

[paper zenith]

The finals

[fluid raptor]

✅

[earnest nexus]

I’m not sure if someone already mentioned this but can you improve clans? I think the whole idea was for people to don’t play with random players, instead they can be in one clan and just add each other to the game. However, the way it is now, doesn’t change anything. If you want to invite specific player from the clan to your game, you still need to send him friend request. And the game requests on clan page are useless. If there could be a pop up that someone started looking for a players then you could easily join or reject it, but now the only way for you to see if someone is searching for the players is to stay on clan page and keep looking at those request

[paper oak]

buff medium guns reload speed

[spiral timber]

Just scrap the hit opponents with arena carriables contracts, they have never actually registered hits correctly

[jade mason]

I completely agree with this . I love the idea but I joined a few clans so far and always ended leaving because either people are unaware of me looking for a game or I'm unaware of people looking for one

[glass fjord]

Especially considering how fucking god awful the spawn locations are. You can tap to open, wipe, spawn right next to the cashout before theyve plugged, and steal it almost every time. On top of that, defending boxes doesnt even matter as long as you get vault 5 or 6 and got the plug on others. Just dumb gameplay. I would really love it if they got rid of plug n play strat, but then there probably wouldnt be any lights in the meta again.

@night dune having 2 nearly identical game modes with 2 separate leaderboards and 2 separate sets of rewards confuses the shit out of me. I havent been able to figure out the logic behind it whatsoever, other than embark completely failed to make a decent RS system going all the way back to s1/2 and just gave up trying to fix it. They promised a new mid season update to the ranked system in s2, then sent us a multi page essay about how making ranked systems is hard, then switched to TA for s3 instead of addressing it. Now were back to the old garbage RS system, plus a casual mode with a trophy for time played. And you're completely right, I play it for the rewards only, not because I enjoy the game mode more.

[night dune]

I don't want to play WT, rather play ranked. But I want the stupid green gun skins so I am forced to play a certain game mode. Embark you need to rethink this.

The players who want to compete in cash out mode would rather play ranked but you are forcing them to queue into a "casual" mode where they have no choice but to stomp the more casual "WT" players. They're just playing WT to earn the rewards.

Emerald 1 takes approximately 75 hours with 100% first place finishes... rather be playing a different game mode.

This makes the finals feel more like a grind, less like a game.

The emerald skins are a participation trophy to announce "I got bored af unlocking this"

(Agreeing with the reply below - separate WT rewards made way more sense when TA was the ranked mode)

[smoky basin]

Up
WT made sense when there was ranked TA but now it just takes players away from ranked and is one of the reasons why console players have to play with crossplay on

[frank gull]

looks like it's just Trent & a few of his 3,000 alt accounts... - #👂┇game-feedback message - mans simps so hard for Embark he probably switched teams. Let him embrace his new lifestyle. 💯

• #👂┇game-feedback message -
  
  the only "strategic hate speech" I see is the bots following Trents original post. Smh
  You ain't slick. 🧿

Everyone else getting wheeled in the kid is just trolling for bait. He's not a colleague, or a Allie of your cause.
Proof Embark doesn't read these chats for allowing such blatant bigotry, or maybe they really are as clueless as they lead on.

#👂┇game-feedback message

• #👂┇game-feedback message - exhibit A
• #👂┇game-feedback message - exhibit B

[chrome basin]

Pretty cool you are mentioning top players from previous season via the commentators. But maybe remove the TTV part of peoples usernames? Why are you promoting twtich?

[jagged cedar]

I don't think you understand how dagger works. The heart icon doesn't actually mean anything, it just randomly appears on dagger kills.

@subtle mulch no, it only happens on backstabs but you regularly get backstabs without it. In over 500 hours playing dagger I haven't found it to correlate with anything. At first we thought maybe enemy health but that isn't it either

[subtle mulch]

doesn't the heart signify a backstab? @jagged cedar then what is it for

[earnest nexus]

Agree, that’s why I believe there should be mode rotation on WT. we should be playing cashout, powershift and bank it in every week rotation or something. At least that would be something different as now most of the players only play WT to get those emerald skins. They tried recently advertise different modes on YT so I guess that would be the best idea to just let people play them all in WT. For example, I like powershift but it pointless to play it as this casual mode now as you just wasting your time you could spend grinding rewards on WR or ranked

[mighty cedar]

Fix your game Embark. How can dev team make so many stupidass choices within such a short time. Actually incredible how ass the game is now

[tepid summit]

m1 garand skin for light lh1 pretty please, i want it to go piiing when im out of ammo

[paper oak]

is the game becoming a bitminer app, the performance getting way worse after every patch

[upper citrus]

I think the funniest thing about this lgbtq cosmetics bait trend I started is that everyone who exposed themselves as a bigot over it like you also happens to have terrible takes for the game. It’s quite the feat

[quick coyote]

Ttv glaze is getting annoying maybe if it was more rarer it'd be ok but as is, it's just a glaze fest June needs to keep it n her pants

[tired bough]

remove light from the game, just ruins fun for everybody, degenerate overpowered class, which should not exists at all or nerf it into the abyss, so nobody picks that shit anymore

[proven crown]

Spear needs to look like it has the range it now has when you're being attacked plz

[uneven dagger]

❤️

[alpine pebble]

the cl-40 need more nerf

[proper crescent]

Remove heavy from the game, just ruins fun fighting in close quarters when they just destroy everything then use their charge n slam to instakill everyone, all their weapons should have 5m range and do 4 damage so nobody picks it anymore

[shell pond]

Are arena carriables not counting again for the weekly contract?

[clever hawk]

I’d add railings/stair banisters/etc to this. Many have goofy hitboxes & fluke misses are aggravating in any game.

@upper citrus now your hideous taste in game design makes perfect sense

[fleet socket]

Remove medium from the game, just ruins the fun healing the whole game, degenerate pocket heal class, which shouldn't exist at all or nerf it into the abyss so nobody picks that class anymore

[hybrid fulcrum]

I haven't gotten them to register, hit at least 3 times (gas canister + red barrel)

[earnest nexus]

Yeah, I don’t understand people crying. Maybe delete the whole game and stop playing? I play Finals since beta and literally there was no better balance than it is now. But if someone believe that any class is too op, they have some skill issues for sure as you can smash every one with any class if you’re good

[torpid sky]

u forgot a flag

[silent grove]

this

[mighty cedar]

mf actually thinks the Model still needs a nerf. Skill issue trash light

[wintry oyster]

I love you so much

[round hornet]

It does, and it has a lot less to do with how it interacts with light (which is mostly balanced) and more how it lets medium confidently challenge heavy in cqb.

[quick coyote]

please do something about everybody going for the same cashout and leaving 1 box untouched its insane

[mortal notch]

Nerf dual blades and snowballs

[golden harbor]

@upper citrus the fuck did you do in #👂┇game-feedback that made people obsessed with you

[shy parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/valorant-plastic-meme-plastic-rank-competitive-gif-6907074037059965774

[upper citrus]

Model still runs high elo and the issue has never been its performance against lights. It’s nobody’s fault besides your own that you aren’t good enough to get into lobbies where it’s a problem.

There’s a reason it’s still limited to 1 per team in pro scrims. Please get good.

[jagged vector]

91 days tell the season ends? 3 months for a season thats terrible. Once alot of people complete the battle pass they won’t play it cause there’s nothing new

[jagged cedar]

Trent is a heavy main bruh

[frank gull]

I agree with your entire post, my only objection is i can run lite. I can't carry, but with a good squad I find it can be more reliable than medium, when I'm warmed up and locked in.
I'm not a genius so you got me there.

That being said my post is about the favoritism light has received. It was hard to run in season 1 and it's hard to run now. It's always been hard, But it's also been effective, and the useful addition to the team to catch a dub & make it to the finals since S1.
Mains won't be happy until it's easy to run, & arguably it never should be especially when a call exists that has 200 more health than it.

Mediums FCAR got completely reworked like no other weapon on TTK, while I appreciated this nerf since people with average aim were taken into consideration since many couldn't fully capitalize on the weapon, ever since other automatic weapons got sight's (which I also needed) the gun lost even more of it's identity, & uniqueness. With the recoil clean up this season, it's almost completely lost whatever set it aside from other weapons. Mind you *M is supposed to play range best, used to be have 1 of the only 2 weapons with a sight for automatic weapons.
The AK losing bullet when nobody ever complained about it being OP was just uncalled for.

Medium lost recon grenades
Medium still doesn't have a breach gadget, while Light class has two, one of which can kill you on a steal, something even heavy can't do & they're the Tanks...
A thermal bore that can actually breach goo walls effectively, something medium 1 breach specialization can't even do; Light players other breach gadget also has a whole extra bullet in the reserve. Again both of Heavys breach gadget only come with 1 ammunition & no reserve. I have no idea why light has the best breach in the game.

No other gadget has received more nerfs, & lost more utility than Heal B. & Defib, although a case can be made for Mesh, & dome especially seeing how they worked S1, & to add insult to injury Lights have the one gadget that can counter all of it, but were *never" expected to learn how to use it in a Squad Wipe for a team based game.
Instead they've been nerfing all utility from support & defense to encourage Lights offense.
For the cherry on top Mediums mobility was targeted?
Literally NOBODY asked for that, or think it was a good idea. They couldn't even add the full 10 on Ziplines, like the did jumpad just a random 7 sec because the nerf was random, & not well thought out.
Both Cool Down timers should have went down by 5 sec, not increased. Those gadgets are team based, & Nerfing it only effects the squad as a whole.
On that same note since they took away half the inventory of glitch mines, they should have reduced the cool down times by half (not leave it at 20 sec) to keep the gadget balanced. They nerfed to to prevent stacking, but lost all combat practically with the nerfs.
It's also the only mine that doesn't have hit markers.
While heavy is free to drop 2 pyros whenever they're ready.

Medium lost it's #1 offense specialization S1, while Lights specialization that has the same advantage in a 1 v 1 just got buffed( & nerfed ty Embark 🙏🏽), & is glorified as "sneaky" & "smart"
One can be worked with, & tolerated; while the other is absolutely discriminated & shunned

Since S1 people argued since you can't triple stack Light (which you can) it's not viable, I understand why you can't against competent, or better opponents, the game was always designed around a Support, Defense, & Offense (HML) play style. The very fact that any can triple stack Light in any game mode & catch a Dub is proof they're mobility is enough utility for competition.

If these blatant one sided nerfs won't sway your mind , watch appoh video for a bit of a history lesson to see which classes have suffered the most.
&
How Embark keep shrinking there game so hot heads can squad wipe.
https://youtu.be/nSZryCvRKbA?si=ozEBP4P-G05945HM

[toxic shadow]

No idea what youre saying or why im exhibit a, but id just love some way to represent 💪💪

[tepid summit]

shirtless option seems a bit risky to put in the game, but hey it would be cool for my friend with his baldur from god of war skin lol

[fading wadi]

Day 12 of suggesting glitch grenade changes

-glitching a defib in progress aborts the revive
-explodes via timer AND/OR proximity
-players can glitch their own gateway to close it (or even just add that feature to gateway)
-glitch effect from grenades lasts AT LEAST 7 seconds on deployed gadgets (placed mines, C4, turrets, etc.) otherwise they are pointless vs traps set on cashouts, which will just explode before a steal is possible.
-glitch effect by grenades applied mid-charge and slam does not abort the spec (shouldn’t it?)

[mighty cedar]

Bro wants a weapon that requires skill to be nerfed and tells me to get good? Damn, youre so full of yourself lmao, touch some grass buddy.

You players are the reason this game is becoming more like COD with every update lmao. Go play Valorant or Apex again and stop with your "high elo" bs. Literally no one gives a fuck about it

[clever hawk]

Nerfing overtuned weapons & thus raising TTK moves this game further away from CoD.

Nerfing horrible Overwatch-style team comps like Mesh/Heal/Defib at the same time has been fantastic & the game is in its best ever spot.

[chrome basin]

genuinly wtf are these spawns embark... Seriously wtf are they

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller settings on console

[placid agate]

actually a good idea, should be added to red dots as well since, also changing the color of the sight could be nice

[fiery patio]

Slow game down by 10-20% and fix desync. What good is all the crazy mobility when your after image gets shot behind walls. On console gun fights are static. You can't effectively peak and shoot.

[violet walrus]

4 seasons in a year is pretty normal for games?

[red echo]

holy shit its 5s you impatient fucks , its so you reconsider if you wanna leave incase you are rage quitting , tiktok ruined ur minds jesus

[inland cove]

"Now it doesn't just freeze the game, it also kicks me out of party"

This happened to me too after the last Update in Season 4.
I it froze for 10-15 seconds every time and after having more than 140 friends it froze and after un-freezing i was no longer in a group.

Apparently this only happens with the embark friendliest. Having 300+ Steam friends synchronized in game causes no issues.

[onyx tiger]

petition to replace the suspended structures of monaco and kyoto with the suspended sponsor structures of bernal? All in favor say AYE?

[acoustic quail]

can we have a time counter for club contracts like my daily contracts?

[dull oasis]

@teal ermine
"Interrupt opponents who are stealing your team's cashout or interfering with your team's decryption at the terminal"
Not playing cashout/terminal attack much and light at all. Can "bank it" interruption be added to the list?
Or can players change that contract for another one for in-game currency "diamonds" for example?

[upper citrus]

LOL you think the model requires skill. The skill ceiling of the model is in the ground.

I’m glad embark already said they’re balancing for comp

[solar sail]

could we get native HDR implemented into the game?

[mighty cedar]

balancing for competetive is the dumbest thing they could do, but knowing embark, they will actually go ahead and balance around COD braindead kill-focused idiots that cry about anything that remotely takes skill. Keep crying so the game gets worse lmao.

This community is the worst. Literally consists of Brainless Ex-Apex/COD/Valorant players that have never heard of objective-focused gameplay before. You kids actually have a skill issue

[toxic shadow]

im sorry but how is a shotgun in an objective based shooter considered as skillful and how would nerfing it result to kill-focussed gameplay and make the game more lean into cod??

[surreal meadow]

a good fix is adding TDM and watching all of the kill hungry players flock to that so we can get a better competative, OBJ focused, scene

cant tell how many times i play for plugs & steals just to have my team complain "but muh damage stats"
and completely ignore support & objective scoring

there needs to be something that shows "your 8 kills vs my 3 plugs, my 3 plugs are worth way more because 15K > 4K, stop bitching about damage score"

[frank gull]

I.M.O with the right timing all classes can squad wipe. I've personally been squad wiped with multiple light weapons throughout the seasons with bow, sword, lh1, M11, sh1900.
The reason it feels like you have to be "a really really good and lucky light" is because of the low health pool, & lack of room for error, and all of the adrenaline running through your veins while in combat.

Most Lights only play the class for fun, or because they know they have the skill necessary to run the hardest class; if they are the latter typically in my experience (1 year'ish) there egos will have them want to lead, or completely flank away from teammates.
Again 1) low health 2) less room for error than any class.
Not realizing how valuable a players life is & throwing it away on a pointless flank (which the majority of lights do "TILL THIS DAY") almost guarantees a S.W. will soon ensue.
The issue i see is the class with the best mobility in the game also requires it to have the most patience, & inexperienced, or High Skill player alike just want to rush.
While the class has the best mobility if the goal is to get a S.W. & steal/defend the objective the class can quickly become the most "restricted".
The most common mistake I see is not realizing how much faster you are then the other two contestants while playing the class.
The next is a lack of any effort to follow or track any teammates.
For more advance mistake A scenario I commonly see is a Light that lacks any awareness, or support ends up being the last alive & not trying to "reset" by either Sticking a res, or just rushing to there death.
Instead they will play there life to get a kill or actually go for the S.W. while there entire team is dead wasting precious time, & once the cash out is activated Timing is everything.
The Finals is a lot like gymnastics.
It doesn't matter how much style you have while falling if you can't stick the landing.

Yes the class takes more skill & patience, I do see it.
But the skill necessary is patience, coordination, & support. However the average light thinks all that is necessary or expected out of them is combat to win.

I'll never Main light, because it's just not my play style, but I've ran it multiple times & made it to the finals, even as a triple stack.
I've even provided pictures in the Past showing Lights capabilities to carry a team.
Sorry I don't have any new ones, Life be Lifing, but the class has always been more than capable of defending itself, glance at how it absolutely dominated T.A.
The reason the dominance doesn't correlate to cash out, is because of the patients needed to play the objective and the coordination needed to get a squad wipe.
If a light is throwing it's life away on a flank, they're also selling the entire squads life.

Yes light is Stealth, but It also has mobility like grapple and dash.

Medium is supporting but it has abilities like turret

Heavy is a tank for destruction, & fortification but can still give support through mesh.

The class description is only how each should be encouraged to play, not its limitation.
Light doesn't have to be stealthy, Medium doesn't have to be a mercy main & can do offense,or be stealthy with Demat and heavy can do everything from close to mid range. Support, fortify or destroy

[pure ore]

Shit ass quest with broken ass description. The only thing that works are snowballs in WT. I hope devs will read this (they wont, they're too busy thinking of another amazing idea and then doing the shittiest job with it).

LETS JSUT MAKE A QUEST THAT TELLS PEOPLE TO THROW THEIR GAME, THAT WOULD BE FUN, WOULDNT IT?

[winged wadi]

nerf LH1!!!!!!!!!!

[quartz flax]

Why this game Is more bad? 😂 Every new season this game Is more And more bad 😂

[harsh wren]

the new bamboo forest sucks

[rapid stream]

People like this are the reason my chungus ass weapon won’t ever be good

[molten mango]

DEFIB DIED AND THE GAME SURVIVED!
https://media.tenor.com/M9AZGI0uTJoAAAAM/the-rock-dwayne-johnson.gif

[silk dew]

Embark, please add back class lock to quick cash. Maybe not gear and specialization, but class lock would add a bit more stability to the game flow.

[hearty dagger]

yup something definitely went wrong with the spawns this update, and not just in Bernal

[boreal arrow]

why is nobody talkin about headshot multiplier on throwing knives? on a weapon with infinite ammo..

[idle glen]

I play with my team btw, and sometimes have more revives than my team combined. I use my mobility to its fullest my escaping with a teammates trophy. But there is a mistake in what you said. I am not that much faster than a medium. Season 4 was like hell on earth for me because there was so many of them. Ive played light enough and i can with fuckin certainty that a good medium can catch up to a good light player. Btw lights mobility goes out the damn window without dash or grapple. Gateway is too slow to use like a free bail when in need and can only be used for maybe climbing something but mainly taking the cashbox to the cashout faster. Even in cases where i have dash or EVEN GRAPPLE a medium that can phase through walls and has a zip and a jump pad can catch me in a instant and not only him but his entire team because those abilities can be used by his teammates. Me running away from a fight only searates me from my team. I cannot move my entire team with light. And dont even get me started on the insane range of medium that comes in a package with zero recoil and hella damage.

[jagged cedar]

It makes fishing for fun lobbies longer which in a world of smoke recon is a very common occurrence

[upper citrus]

Yep dude you’re a genius. It’s the cod brained people who don’t understand objective play that want the shotgun that allows a full support build medium to frontline instead of sit behind an play as a team.

It’s definitely not the comp playerbase that has been begging for more viable team comps and ways to play objective while casuals cry for buffs to turn this game into instant ttk cod with destruction. That would NEVER be the case

[red echo]

Yea having ppl leave all the time also ruins the fun way more " fishing for fun lobbies" lmao

[unkempt kestrel]

wish the ingame hair options spanned more of the natural kinds of hair & hair color people have in real life

[olive fulcrum]

I would have bought vanish bomb skin if it had unique effects

[grizzled mauve]

Can someone explain me the fact that when you shoot a RPG to your enemy at SUPER CLOSE range, but it deals more damage to you than the enemy? Like i shot a light with that thing than BOOM im gone but he's still there, while im dead wit a single shot from SH1900

[restive marten]

Has anyone been experiencing EXTREME performance drops after the event dropped? Game ran fine before...

[long arrow]

bro nobody defib in s5 cause everyone braindead exepted diamond & ruby elo

[modest rock]

I love the game

[hasty jewel]

Defib didn't die lol

[viscid snow]

Give turrets burst shots of with a 5 second cooldown

[stoic lion]

Mmm still stupid oppressive and very hard to play against in a 3 stack. A good 3 stack of MMM will beat a good LLL or HHH or any other combination. Period

[mighty cedar]

Competitive players can go suck an egg. We dont need more sweatlords

[quartz dirge]

nerf model

[pure ore]

Current game issues:

• Respawn algorithm is just broken. People are dying in a fight for the box, but then respawning literally on top of the cashout waiting for the team that won the box fight pretty much getting an advantage because they lost their fight. Some respawn locations are just straight up unfair. Sometimes for a certain Seoul construction cashout you spawn in the famous "hospital corner". Thats half of the map of running. About 30-45 seconds. Same for some spawns in Fortune. I noticed all of this at the beginning of season 4. Devs never acknowledged it.
• Big scale destruction kills your and anyone's fps if they're close to it. This started to happen in season 2 or 3 when they switched to a new version of game's engine. They wrote once about acknowledging it and never mentioned it again ever since.
• Some contracts have been put in the pool again and again despite a massive negative opinion from a lot of players.
• World tour in season 3 had almost no changes to weekly stops because we didn't have a ranked cashout mode back then and it was understandable. They promised us some more defined weekly stops from season 4, but never delivered. Most stops are either map reskins (current one) or a change so miniscule you barely notice it (Halloween pumpkins). Literally the only stop I remember from season 4 was Holtow's alien invasion.
• terminal attack is just not needed at this point
  Something good:
• we finally got out first LTM after 2 seasons of silence. At least they worked somewhere.
• the wheel was a disaster. It's good to see they didn't reuse this for Christmas.
• cosmetics are on top, like always.

[clever hawk]

The game is still very fast & chaotic in general & the TTK is fast if you hit crits.

There’s plenty of equipment that helps the team & class identities are still intact, they’re just largely no longer overbearing.

[topaz jungle]

I wish ya’ll didn’t change the bamboo forest boundary in kyoto

[woven hawk]

600+h of Power Shift - My fear of rejection prevents me from continuing to ask for new maps. I will say 1 more thing, I don't mind lag. I don't mind Fortune or Bernal instead of Vegas if that's too taxing.

Or just give us a 1v1/solo/teamVteam mode, would appreciate that over anything.

[frank gull]

At this point I think they should just allow all 3 sites on all weapons.(That have sights already)
I'm not sure why light is the only class with access to two sites.
🗣️ Embark please allow player full customization between all three sites, and allow them to choose which of the three reticle they want for each site, maybe even add more reticle for convenience sake.

• #👂┇game-feedback message - @placid agate you have a good point, changing colors would be nice too.

Also someone before me requested that crosshairs stay on weapon when aiming down site, I'm not sure how useful this would be, But if you can change the crosshairs from hip fire and have a different crosshair setting when you aimed down site alongside with your reticle it might make for some good fun
Kind of like this guy was able to do.
#👂┇game-feedback message

[upper citrus]

Well sucks for you embark devs have already joined comp servers to spectate tournaments and take feedback from high elo players.

Fun fact this is how the model got its first damage nerf :)

thank god embark is actually taking input from the comp community as well as using their own balance team instead of blindly following. Hopefully we will see a balanced meta in the next season or so because of this

[chilly niche]

Still having 'interrupt opponents on your cashout' as a challenge after 3 seasons of complaints that it doesnt track properly and is a stupid challenge that relies on others actions is a horrible choice. That contract needs removing.

[frosty elk]

Please fix the freezing issues while sitting in lobby 🙏🏼

[nova solar]

Amethyst mastery skins?

[hard ledge]

ngl might be time to upgrade your pc my cpu is ancient and ive not had that issue once ;-;

[full imp]

Tone down the frequency of the voice lines that mention the players last season

[forest wasp]

Hey Embark. Could you guys please fix the bug that occurs on the progression tab after each game? When showing your level progress for each item it starts at level 0 and takes its time counting through each level for each gadget/weapon/ability and is really frustrating. Please fix it to already have our progress displayed so it can add the EXP from the match we just finished and not go through a whole cutscene of seeing each gadget count to whatever level it is after every single game

[lime granite]

embark Im done playing your "second ranked mode" WT Im only silver 3 right now and going against emeralds already. I thought WT was casual but sometimes I find it harder than ranked. Just tried of cashout forever (and just more gem skins is not making me want to play) IMO WT has just become a way to increase play time of your small community. I think WT should just rotate all the modes in it (powershift, TA, bank it, etc.) this way WT would feel different throughout the weeks

[mighty cedar]

"Embark are gonna love this" ahhh comment.

You have a massive skill issue

[rapid stream]

We should giga buff model to 1 tap light and bring nukes back 🙏🙏🙏

[steep crag]

WT rotating modes would be very fun

[golden needle]

i think they should just nerf the mac10, its still mad op, not to mention light gets all the mobility abilities, makes sense, but already being the smallest class, fastest class, and having the highest dps in the game feels broken, you cannot find a single quick cash game, without atleast 3 lights, or worse, 3 entire light teams
but nerfing medium just feels like a stab in the back, while you can just select heavy or light and play the game on easy mode, not requiring any game sense at all.

[keen lily]

seen Mande playing The Finals today, and got to say glad that marketing team seems to be picking things up and targeting Apex (which is dying) audience, this is the way!

[coarse moon]

wow, I dont know what spelling mistakes have to do with an unbalanced game, but hey good point

[nimble kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1112197032262766702/1314358865042866307/attachment.gif fuck

[fading cobalt]

Some people will rage over this, but maybe get rid of Bank It, and make Quick Cash a kill confirmed mode of 5v5 or 6v6 and use the coin mechanic from Bank It with the wave respawns of Power Shift.

They could even keep the coin vaults aspect in order to push players into one area. It also spices things up from your typical CoD kill confirmed mode.

The reason I suggest removing Bank It is that too many game modes with a player population this size can lead to it bring difficult to fill servers in all regions at all hours of the day.

As it is now, Quick Cash is a horrible introduction to the game. It's ranked-lite, but so is WT, so it's actually ranked lite-lite.

@quartz dirge You act as if people don't already play Quick Cash like TDM. There needs to be a mode where the players that aren't objective minded can be funneled into, while also allowing new players to get familiarized with the basic mechanics before throwing them into Cash Out modes.

It would also make it a solid warm-up before diving into ranked/WT. It would also be a mode for when you have 4+ friends on, and don't want to play Power Shift or TA.

[quartz dirge]

and this is how you teach players how to NOT play the objective when it comes to getting around to WT/ranked.

[jagged cedar]

Bruh people are still gonna leave it just takes 5 seconds for no reason now

All I've seen it do is make people MORE angry at the game

[red echo]

Then leave lol , I'm saying only reason it was there it's to prevent ppl from insta rage quitting and maybe think again if they do end up decide to leave , and yes it'd JUST 5 seconds , everyone complaining about it has absolutely no attention span

[mortal notch]

nerf dual baldes and snowballs

[clever hawk]

Problems with spawns & Cashout rules have nothing to do with TTK.

The majority of players aren’t good enough to have to regularly contend with players that excel with the model or even the SA12. SH1900 is a problem but that’s down to invis not having a decloak timer + footstep audio being horrific.

[silent grove]

scope on sledge pls embark

[rough hinge]

Remove that annoying as fuck voiceline "thats what made TTV the best last season"

& Remove the red dot from LH1

[south mango]

what ttv is it

[naive hinge]

DAY 2 OF ASKING THE DEVS TO REVERT ALL OF THESE TERRIBLE SEASON 5 CHANGES!! demat model is the medium meta? what are yall smoking at embark? MAKE HEAL BEAM AND MEDIUM ARs META.

[tame crag]

I think some club contracts should grant more XP than others. “Damage an opponent with fire” probably should not equal “Deal 3000 damage with melee”

[upper citrus]

👍

Please continue to play lobbies where players aren’t good enough to hit the skill floor of model and then tell top players it’s actually not broken when it’s 80% of the weapon variety in high elo. It must only affect high rank play because people at high ranks are bad….. this makes perfect sense…….. you are very smart……

[stoic lion]

Desync be hot garbage man💀💀

[fierce valve]

Plz powershift maps. I can do an interpretive dance for the devs

[green barn]

Why do the developers force me to listen to Christmas music on game startup?

[fading cobalt]

Uh, the AR part is already the meta. Now, if you're a Heavy/Light, they are more likely to bring the 1887, because it wasn't really nerfed vs them.

Embark are such Medium stans that even when they nerf Medium, it's a slap on the wrist.

Glitch Trap is too oppressive? They remove a charge, then increase its range and still allow two to be up at one time. If anything, it was a buff overall. They nerf Heal Beam in every way except the ways that matter, you can still stack 2 beams on a target or heal while being healed.

The (rightfully) removed Recon Senses, then ever since they've gone and made them good at everything, and are just now trying to tune them down some.

[keen lily]

pike is absolutely useless, you can get killed even in a 1v1 against akm at a long distance which has the worst ttk and damage fall off on distance very easily - doesn't matter if you land your shots

[proper crescent]

It has to do less than 50 damage or it's just a better LH1

[naive hinge]

i never mentioned anything about glitch trap, which is useless btw. u might be right about the model. But the heal beam nerfs affected its damage and range, which one of those "dont matter". they just nerf medium on purpose to make room for more mesh shields and it makes the game suck. Also, all medium ARs are useless compared to the SHAK. NO REASON to play medium EXCEPT for double movement. the game used to be great when healing and team play mattered. Now we are all just looking for that one unemployed dude whos been playing demat since s1. Demat by the way has always been the worst special for medium and it is so selfish to use. Bring back heal beam. Bring back medium AR's. Embark - Lets just remove all the support and team play and make room in the meta for invisible crouching the corner with the LH1. What a joke. These guys made us play like that for weeks how did the devs not see that coming a galaxy away? Game was PERFECT last season. ALL WE NEEDED WAS A SMALL MESH SHIELD BUFF. THATS IT.

[frank gull]

My brother in Christ I'm not sure if you've heard of marvel rivals but they currently have 15 x the player base, & twice the all time peak. Not to mention its 24 hour peak comparison.
If it worked for them, Taking notes from O.W. might not be a bad idea

Acting like games shouldn't be "arcade" or, fun is so close minded. Street fighter is basically the same as ever & despite basically, being an arcade game Is one of the most competitive games and has plenty of lan events., Nintendo has like 5 games and they can compete with PC, Xbox, & PlayStation.
Not everything has to be that serious.
Not everything has to be counter strike.
The Finals can be fun, & strategic at the same time.

[civic rose]

JUST GONNA SAY THEY MISSED OUT ON MAKING THE ROPE OF THE ZIPLINE SKIN (HOLIDAY HANG) MADE OF CHRISTMAS LIGHTS

[west moat]

Why's is this game more focused on ttvs than every player, they even added a voice line for them in the match to hear how much embark only cares for them now

[clever hawk]

Model/Sa12 are the only shotguns that exceed other weapons. Matter/Cerberus/KS are fine, & although SH1900 is frustrating that’s mostly to do with poorly designed invis/audio/stun.

The two outliers should be brought down, not have all the other weapons in the game raised. Putting damage back to the old level of weapons is also extremely detrimental to Lights.

@frank gull you are comparing a Marvel product to a brand new IP from a brand new studio. Brain?

The Finals is still exceptionally arcadey and would remain so even if 20 nerfs were delivered tomorrow. It being so arcadey is the biggest reason the competitive scene is dead af.

This idea that it’s become some slow, stale, serious, & boring FPS is pure delusion. It’s too messy for its own good.

@west moat put TTV in your name and Embark still wouldn’t care for dumb opinions like this, because it’s not the TTV but the placement on the ranked ladder of the previous season that has the announcers referring to them

[bright sage]

My only complaint rn is that the new gravity vortex needs a longer cooldown, it's super oppresive when used to defend a cashout, as it can be used again and again.

[proper crescent]

Shoot it before trying to steal

[quartz dirge]

buff fcar so it isnt the worst ar pick

[upper citrus]

Voiceline has nothing to do with the fact he’s a ttv. That’s just his username. It plays sometimes when someone steals a cashout because he had the most cashout steals last season.

[pseudo breach]

Is there a reason why they don't give the name of the players cheating when reporting them?

[west moat]

Well my mistake for now knowing
Aside from that, is there a reason the shotgun for light has a slow fire rate, not the double barrel one

[surreal meadow]

to be fair ive only heard "scroy" voicelines from stealing, just remove the TTV part and maybe it might fit?

also the player mentions when scotty & june speak, top X players wise, are missing their captions at the bottom of your screen

[weak valley]

Child Protective Services needs to come save Powershift from Embark. It’s getting neglected

[distant vine]

make the snowball an actuall weapon in the live game. its actually fun to use. and it should be for each class

[raw mason]

may have found a small bug, hitting people in snowball blitz with presents, chairs, tables, ect. does NOT count towards arena carrieable hits for the contract

[valid nebula]

Pike needs a Hard buff ,back to 51 or so,because right now its really bad e.g u have almost the same damage as lh1 but less fire rate and less stability

[noble path]

there is a bug with the main attack on sledge, it doesnt register often even though you clearly see it pass through the enemy, also please make it so heavy doesnt take 3 quadrillion years to start healing back

[clever hawk]

Snowballs are good fun and should be implemented into the snow versions of maps. Just halve the damage or something.

[vapid sand]

Embark reaaaaly need to fix the Sound bugs.. So many times where someone is running right next to you and you cant hear anything. Same for cashouts.
You can hear a stupid jump-pad 200m away but if your cashout got stolen 15m away and one level down you cant hear anything during the fight.

[zealous mural]

NERF THE FUCKING DASH ALREADY FUCKING BRAINDEAD DEV TEAM

[fleet socket]

Can we stop glazing twitch? Don't need to hear about it twice a game

[undone crane]

why doesnt snowball blitz count towards the 1m either? thats so dumb

[onyx tiger]

move quick cash off the main play screen and keep it in quickplay. replace it with a 3v3 cashout final round mode. quick cash is the quintessential mode that most new players are going to try. They will try it first because its called "quick cash" and they arent going to understand world tour or play ranked. when they first come in, quick cash is going to be way too chaotic for them especially because of the lack of skill based matchmaking. let them find out what the finals has to offer by starting slower. the 3v3 mode will be a more controlled environment for new players.

[surreal meadow]

put 3v3 into public queue first, its currently locked behind private matches for no reason

please advertise the 3v3 mode & drop it in public queue

[worldly scaffold]

After a week, please revert Quick cash back to what it was... I can already see people stop playing it as objective based mode, and treat it as another deathmatch, aka Powershift. It is too highoctane, no time to breath, random, it's... Not as fun. It is so non stop, you get wiped, same second spawned next to the objective, wipe other team, get instantly jumped by other one, it is too much...

Please give us back Quick Cash, and make this another mode, whatever you wanna call it, Sugar Rush I guess... The matches are pretty short, we can live with our picks, that made the mode so replayable, now it is just random, suddenly you are with two lights, and fighting 5 Lights... IF the changes make it worse to play as solo queue, it is not more casual, it is more try hardy. It's just not right, feels totally different mode. You can still have some fun with it, but now we have to go play Tournaments to have a more chilled play, lol, doesn't make sense, at all...

On positive note, new map is amazing, great job. New guns feel nice too, played mostly with the Heavy one, seems well balanced imo, well done. Battlepass and all the other cosmetic stuff, christmas stuff, all great.

Oh yeah, hitting with arena carriables is NOT working, zero, after hitting enemies point blank with them. Also thank you for listening making interrupt cashouts to team effort/also stealing counts, thank you.

[upper citrus]

Yeah it should say contestant instead of TTV.

I’d imagine it sucks to be a small streamer and have the game advertise another streamer to your audience lmao.

Also mentioning any real world branding is a little weird

[torpid sky]

why is everyone complaining about the ttv thing all of sudden? is it smth new? also I've always had the commentary on 0 so idk if it's new or not lol

[bold vigil]

GET RID OF HIT OPPONENTS WITH ARENA CARRIABLES!!! It doesn't track I'm watching myself get the hitmarkers and the contract not progressing. LAZY

[quartz dirge]

hello bronze player

[stray thunder]

Like a shit ton suggestions before me:
Power Shift should count towards contracts.

Also
Wtf is happening in Quick Cash? Game is broken. Everyone is thitd partying everyone all the time.

[clever hawk]

On an individual level, the Quickcash changes feel much better + more accessible to newcomers.

Teamwipes however are borderline non-existent & whilst the faster gameflow is fun it also negatively affects strategy.

The faster respawns should generally remain whilst no Cashout is active, but once one is underway teamwipes should be more punishing: eg 12s - I believe this is twice the amount of time it takes to steal a Cashout in Quickcash.

At least 8s should also be the minimum possible duration for individual respawns regardless of Cashout activity, for the current system can induce chaotic matches that grind to a halt due to endless fights.

In turn the maximum individual respawn duration could be cut by a few seconds, from ~25s to 20-22s.

The egregious base health regen (up to 18s for a Heavy) is also further exposed by the decreased downtime. Reducing the health regen delays (L:6s M:7s H:8s) would benefit the entire game.

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New players also still observably struggle to navigate the gigantic & complicated maps. Adding an option (enabled by default) to guide players towards each objective would be useful.

Disabling it within ~15m of Cashouts would help new players naturally learn the intricacies of their layouts as they must then rely upon their own navigation.

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The 5 second timer before ‘abandoning’ a match persists once the match has actually finished. I want to leave quickplay modes the moment the winners are decided.

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Feedback:

Goo Gun: #👂┇game-feedback message

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[zealous mural]

add SBMM to the world tour, k/d/a based preferably. nerf dash, stupid broken shit with 0 counterplay.

[unique wasp]

Very in favor of this, bringing back some of the fun emergent gameplay stuff we've lost over time would be exciting

[nova solar]

Amethyst mastery skins?

[lethal perch]

Wtffff I was on PS5, I put the 120hz mode on then quit the game and the 120hz mode doesn't appear anymore in my settings

[mortal notch]

TRUEEEEE

[dense quarry]

Scoreboard KDA order should be K/D/A

[pseudo latch]

There should be a “random” setting for weapon and gadget skins, where each time you respawn it switches to a different one you own.

[coral axle]

the game is ok I guess

[livid spruce]

Revert the quick cash changes because that game mode is just unfun and terribly unbalanced now. It's impossible to do anything with good teams constantly respawning after 5 seconds.

[vast elbow]

After 4 seasons I finally had to turn the commentators off. I'm just sick of hearing about ttvscroy every 30 seconds.

[wintry trout]

Bro the finals just blue screened me

[sage kite]

Please stop adding stupid Nama Tama skins to the game it is random and unnecessary

[frank gull]

"Survived"
A wise person once said.
"To live doesn't mean you're alive"

[shrewd echo]

I think we should put a Duke Nukem skin in the finals, Duke Nukem is my personal hero along with tubgirl.

[marble hearth]

Please keep snowball blitz but just change it to a 5v5 death match once the 2 weeks is up

[quartz shell]

1

[tight verge]

Yesssssss honestly. It’s a really fun gamemode with surprisingly good team play potential. Maybe tweak how the spawns work a little so you can’t get hard spawn camped

[proven vale]

Skill issue

[swift notch]

Can June shut the fuck up about TTVs? Like I love June and Scotty but this is fucking annoying

I do not give a shit about TTV'ers and actively hate shameless TTV'ers name

[jagged cedar]

The game is the most balance it's been since s1 but because of Embark's insistence on buffing annoying things into being useful without reworking them into being less annoying the game is also the most unfun it's ever been

Being unable to play a casual gamemode without every team running smokes, motion sensors, glitch traps, winch claw, charge and slam, etc and completely hard countering entire loadouts is just incredibly boring

[dusky chasm]

Is the "hit opponents 15 times with arena carriables" contract broken? ive hit people with different carriables and cashboxes in different game modes like 10 times and none of them count

[spice axle]

PLEASE make the level 10 for all the equipment some kinda legendary gemstone skin like the sapphire/topaz/amethyst/etc.

[vale viper]

is anyone else having issues with their character always having a femine body? even if I select the male body for my character, its always femine

[fallen mirage]

I love this game, and I get the reason for balance changes, but no new maps for Powershift and a drop in the pace of the game with higher TTK times and cool downs after revives just has me enjoying the game less. You’re a sitting duck after a revive, unable to throw goo as a shield/wall, deploy APS etc I really miss the insanity of S1. This was ADHD The Game but now it feels like more deaths, more running to get back to your team, and a swarm of Lights with stun guns and sniper rifles to take you out en route…

[winged wadi]

What is the meaning of 10,000 and 15,000? if the players can pick up the last 22,000 and pass as a guarantor, if they threw in the cache and opened it by making a couple of kills.

If my team takes the first one, and the second one. 25k + 5k for murder, the other team will not take anything away and just put any random box and throw in 22,000 and hit it, (or even just steal it under the guise, which is completely fucked up) especially if it's a double cache (44,000) and everyone fights except them, they undeservedly go further... It's fucking crazy, you can.

You don't even have time to fill in the cache when the crowd is fighting there

[dreamy gull]

Seems like that’s the case when doing the snowball event. But should be normal if doing other events

[torpid sky]

I've had this issue in the new game mode but i didn't pay it much attention so idk if it happens outside the gamemode or not

[lost talon]

Battle royal mode (I'm joking if u can't tell)

[surreal meadow]

3v3 public queue
dont hide it behind customs

[smoky gust]

on the smaller map for 5v5 i feel like im cooperating with my team a lot more

flanking is still possible, but i find myself grouped up with my team a lot more frequently, which is nice

[midnight aurora]

snowballs got boring after the third game especially with no music

the spawn camping is also awful

[frank gull]

Embark throwing knives, & bow aren't melee weapons. Make them reload... Please.😬

[mellow geyser]

What percentage of console players use R357? Not many because it’s not useable. Why have a virtually unused or unusable weapon? Oh M&K players? Gotcha. I

[jagged cedar]

wait until you find out about the virtually unused or unusable weapons that apply to both inputs

[reef spade]

• bring old cashout rules back
• Nerf charge n slam
• Revert FCAR recoil to how it was in early S2
• Remove bloom/spread from revolver R357
• Buff XP-54
• Buff LH1
• Buff Dual Blades
• Buff Pike
• Stun gun should disable specs
• Revert glitch traps to how it was in S2
• revert jump pad and zipline cooldown changes
• Buff pyro granade
• Revert mines ammo count
• Revert C4 to two charges

[lilac coral]

I hate the changes you made to QC should have just let it be am happy I never spent no money this season.. and also why does June never shut up about TTV players

[worldly scaffold]

I gave it a week, and now I can confidently say new "Quick Cash" is terrible compared to old, call it something else, it isn't even close to feel and play like the mode we all knew and loved since the beginning.
Call it Vault rush, hell, throw a fourth team, or six teams, it is the same, non stop no time to breath mode, nothing matters, winning feels pointless, it's random shit. You don't even have time to process to change your load outs, the spawns are instant, reviving is pointless waste of time, just make it a different game mode...
Terrible. I can't believe how badly you butchered that mode. Hard love. Give us Quick Cash back, this ain't it Embark...

[dawn valley]

Overall enjoying the season! Quick cash: keep the spawn waves, but bump the wipe timer back up to 20. It is just too much. The spawn waves are fine, that means people play together more. World Tour: wackier events and reinstate a small wipe penalty.

[unkempt holly]

Let me grab Lights by the neck and swing

[proven vale]

Skill issue

[rugged ivy]

heavy NEEDS gorilla arms from cyberpunk embark just let him cook

[sand tusk]

Yea, I'll try this game after an update now... but I'm not playing it daily anymore and not paying for anymore skins or battlepasses. 2 people in my quick cash game were MILES above everyone else in skill one guy went 25/4.... I'm not an e-sport virgin, I play this game for dailies after work... Say skill issue, that's fine... but when 80-90% of the player based are chased off by god gamers, and the games dead.. enjoy it.

[magic stratus]

Please remove the ttv scroy voice line Christ it's annoying

[marsh wolf]

Pls …. 2 months i fight with Game Crash all day my Game Crash ue5 Crash help pls

[jagged cedar]

The fact that this game has been out for a full year and has more issues than it did in beta is super disappointing

[solar sail]

I think its a great idea using the announcers to call out player names from past seasons like it is right now with TTV-Scruy, but my feedback would be to make these dialogue lines rare so they don't come out too often, and add more players instead of just the one we have now. Currently it's too repetitive hearing the same player name called out all the time.

[frank gull]

Tell me how many games from Marvel are successful?
How many star wars games are successful?
How many D.C. games are coming out that are successful?
They still can't can't top the Arkham trilogy.

It doesn't matter how big the studio is.
All that matters is the developers, & the vision.

PUBG was new
Apex was revolutionary
Fortnight actually paid attention to the product.

It doesn't matter how big the studio, or name attached to it is.
All that matters is the art, & Embark created a masterpiece. All I'm saying is acting like resembling O.W. or even CoD can't be as bad as it sounds. Especially if they pay attention to what those games did right.

I love the game too, but don't do that & shelter devs from constructive criticism like they're some kind of victims that can't handle the truth.
The numbers aren't everything, sure, look at Minecraft's story, but completely ignoring them & acting like they're irrelevant is just a cope.
When you stop being triggered I hope you'll use your brain, & realize adopting a more arcade play styles can be positive.
If anything I'd argue that's what fits the vision best for the arcade game show.

Saying "Nerfing horrible Overwatch-style team comps like Mesh/Heal/Defib at the same time has been fantastic & the game is in its best ever spot." Is just
ESPECIALLY when they can barely retain a quarter of the players.
&
Exactly why the game does feel more "slow, stale, serious, & a boring FPS"
Statements like "It being so arcadey is the biggest reason the competitive scene is dead af." Are what's killing the game.
It may look arcadey, but Embark has spent the last year trying please people like you who don't want utility in the game.
Defib, mesh, & dome are all over nerfed!
Glitch grenades exist, and so do glitch mines.
The game isn't "too messy for it's own good"
S1 & S2
Were better than
S3 & S4
I.M.O
I'm not sure by metric you are measuring The Finals to say "the game is in its best ever spot" , but facts don't care about your feelings.
Just read your comment to me in reverse "it's too messy", "competitive scene is dead", & you refuse to compare it to a game that's actually succeeding.
Do you have a brain?
You sound like a hypocrite.

The game doesn't need another 20 nerfs.
I understand what you mean, I know you're not asking for more nerf.
I hope your not asking for more nerfs.

[versed bridge]

Dagger gone sword gone riot shield in the dumpster 😔

Do I even keep playing or do I just move on...

[fast lion]

Please Embark give us the Auto-9 skin for the 93r

[midnight aurora]

im getting really tired of light being the best light counter

[reef spade]

They need to improve the matchmaking for sure, I also have a few casual friends who gets destroyed by sweaty stacks

[azure ermine]

nerf the fuckign famas jesus

[wind gulch]

on the survey regarding what's most important, there should have been sections for halftime events, map variants, and lore/story development.

[analog fog]

ya'll have literally ruined QC like wtf, these new spawns are bullshit, no one asked for them or had any issues with the way it was set up previously and now i fight off 5 team respawns only to lose the cashout to the 6 team that drops in on my ass after i've been worn down and they win the match with a 1/12 kd apiece

[neon moat]

Once again please add safe zones for accessibility

[timid phoenix]

Is the server down?

[atomic delta]

the shotgun is a bolt action shotgun. so you have to manully load new bullets in.
This means that you cant full auto it with a high fire rate

Oh, hmm never looked at it in that regard. yea it seems slow but it would be way too strong it if it shot any faster.

[west moat]

I didn't say full auto, I'll say it again the delay from firing a round to loading a new shell in the chamber takes a bit longer than it should
I just get into situations with it and I die because how long it takes for a new round to be ready for use

[midnight aurora]

remove stun gun it has no place in this game

"but you can cancel steals"

throw a goo grenade in their face wow stun gun isnt needed anymore

[near ice]

I NEED A YELLOW SNOWBALL SKIN FOR THE GAS GRENADE. PLEASE AND THANK YOU!

[quaint forge]

HOLY FUCK STOP MATCHING ME AGAINT DIAMOND AND EX TOP 500 PLAYERS AND GIVING ME SHIT ASS TEAMMATES THAT RUN IN ALONE AND DONT HELP

[frank gull]

Not mine, couldn't be me.
Just someone with better awareness, skill, & patience.
The class can S.W. & if you don't think so it just might be a skill issue.

-#👂┇game-feedback message - @wraith orchid
-#👂┇game-feedback message

• #👂┇game-feedback message - @idle glen
  I feel you. It's not easy, but it's not supposed to be.
  The struggle is real, but where there's a will there's a way.

[sonic salmon]

Welcome to World Tour where we have 4 maps but you will only Play Bernal! can we fix this please or just dont add other maps

[proven vale]

Skill issue

[azure ermine]

not a skill issue when the bullet spread is nothing and getting hipfire lasered from 700m away

[clever hawk]

The game is still exceptionally arcadey. Last season it saw player retention improvement for the first time ever; it’s heading in the correct direction by raising TTK & dismantling excessively cheesy playstyles. These are the facts, not your weird rant.

When it was at its most arcadey it bled the most amount of players. The state of the game at release and in the months beyond was not very popular with gamers. It launched with massive popularity but could not maintain those numbers. The excessive chaos was detrimental to the game and thus the playerbase.

Rivals has a totally different structure, aping Overwatch. It can work for those games to an extent but the problems OW had were eventually so bad they blew up their own game to create a bastardised sequel which they have now started adding back the original modes to. Rivals is in its honeymoon and will almost certainly suffer similar problems. The competitive scene of OW was an infamous disaster & Rivals won’t fare any better.

And Defib, Mesh, and Dome are all great right now.

[ivory isle]

ban everyone

[pseudo latch]

Holy fuck dude, paste your college paper while youre at it.

Ever heard of a TLDR? Aint no one reading all that.

[polar shoal]

I think it would be neat if the snowball was added as a regular weapon

[digital vigil]

i agree

[paper ivy]

pls let us gift vr to ppl and let us play private snowball game

[long oxide]

goo nade, fire nade, gas nade and now snow nade

[wintry plover]

Day 6 of me politely asking Embark to please revert the quick cash spawn changes. Thank you!

[red arch]

aiming is also a light counter 🤯

[wise cliff]

"hit opponents 15 times with arena carriables..." doesn't work. I have hit, I have killed - no progression

[lyric ruin]

I've also got this problem

[short widget]

plz buff gamepad's aim assist, my console teammates got crushed by opponents using kb&mouse. players on console is much more than on pc/steam and that's important for cross-play experience

[maiden glade]

I think the m11 needs more animations, is the weapon that almost all the light players use...

[hazy mango]

Do people like moving platforms?

[rotund umbra]

literally only came to the discord to ask about, glad i’m not the only one

[sage turtle]

Same here

[jagged marten]

having the announcers namedrop prominent players is cool but they should absolutely include more than 1 player
it kinda reminds me of that mobile game ad with everyone in the woods playing it while gushing about "thelegend27"
and while i find that funny it probably isnt the vibe they were going for

[torpid quarry]

STFU about ttv scroye plz this is so annoying every other sentence

[acoustic comet]

Same

[long oxide]

its only chairs n pots n stuff not the barrels, i just camp by like the tables in Monaco and toss them at everyone near

[old seal]

WHAT IS THIS MF GAS WHOLLY CRAP. IS IT BUGGED BC HALF THE MAP IS GAS?

[sacred acorn]

I'm not really a fan of the recent defib changes. I get the intent but in most cases ppl revive in a middle of a fight. the 5 second cooldown is a bit much when it just boil down to gunfights and the only difference between escaping and fighting again and instant death is the ammo count on your weapon at the time of death the first time round. I get not wanting people to chain defib so make it that the defib is the only gadget on that 5 second cooldown rather your entire kit. so that way at least there can be some counterplay with something like your grenades if you have no ammo in your clip upon reviving. I still feel that the defib is still a worth while gadget but the cooldown affect your whole kit is a bit much.

[flat solstice]

Since gaining VRs is much harder I think a great way to extend the utility of LTMs like Snowball Blitz is to offer a repeatable contract that grants VRs upon completion. In addition are we getting a separate channel for snowball blitz feedback?

[frosty elk]

Yo Embark can we fix this issue with the contracts that have to do with throwing carriables at enemies shits pretty annoying

[pure ore]

Ok, maybe we should turn down the TTV scroy spam a bit? I think lines like this should be super rare, not spammed every game.

[tropic snow]

Fix cerberus incen hitreg and buff it just slightly

[blissful bridge]

Embark delete this channel --> https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1183069658086117447

[vale viper]

anyone else agree that we need to have a bow buff? It cannot keep up with any other weapon in the light class besides the sniper, and the sniper still does more damage and is hit scan, I think the bow should do 125 to the body, which allows for a much more fighting chance against mediums, and a 200 headshot. At the moment the bow slows you down when drawing and cannot beat any weapon without extreme luck or skill, I'd know because for the past 3 weeks at least I've been maining the bow and it has been useful in some scnarios; however, the bow's weakness is mediums, seeing as they take the same amount of shots to kill that a heavy does. PS i didn't mean to reply to a message and I'm actually very confused on how that happend, but still.

[main gull]

please stop penalizing people if a team member leaves early game it ranked or WT. just had a guy disconnect after 1 fight now im stuck to lose RP

[random lagoon]

can Scotty and June shut up about TTV Scroy for four fucking seconds?!

[tepid violet]

In my opinion the Bow is very good

@woven dagger 🤜🏻🤛🏻

[woven dagger]

Bow does not need a buff at all

[ember dirge]

Embark FIX THE LITTLE THINGS SERIOUSLY, WHY IS IT AN OPTION TO GO DOWN A VERTICAL Zip line?!?!?!?!!?!?!??!

[maiden shell]

I'm so fucking tired of a single guy getting name-dropped. It should litteraly only be for players in the lobby you are in when they make a play

[dark niche]

really need to stop the glazing for this ttv guy.

[versed latch]

I'm surprised they haven't talked about dolan

[dreamy gull]

the bow is already op. its a bit too op in the right hands tbh.

[acoustic comet]

The damage of quick melee should be increased significantly

[surreal meadow]

the TTV comments are bugged and only featuring one person (scroy) , spice it up by adding more if intentional or decrease the frequency of the lines triggering

[onyx crystal]

nah

[small fulcrum]

anyone else having issues with this contract "Hit X opponents with arena carriables, (...)" ?

[blissful bridge]

Embark delete this channel --> https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1183069658086117447

[proven vale]

I agree

[keen heath]

1. Charge n Slams damage needs a Nerf its just how RPG was and just being used for nothing but damage or last hitting someone for a free 130 damage
   -- Nerf its damage to either a flat 100 or 110 still can do damage but it wont be as annoying

2. Glitch Grenade needs a slight change/buff
   -- Let it impact explode on anything not just mesh this would let glitching be more consistent and honestly used more

3. Vortex needs to be changed or Buffed
   Change ideas
   -- Make it a Mine so it can trap people who activate it
   or
   -- Make it an Grenade so we can throw it and not have to waste time to activate it

Buff: I honestly dont know the gadget kinda stucks and would be better reworked to something above

[ember dirge]

Yeah seriously, or at least give us option to change because it never works for me

[cinder elm]

Sorry, but what is this world tour matchmaking?

You either play against full club party or previous season emerald premade party on unranked matches of all things
I don't understand point of world tour at this point. Some minor changes to cashout mode that is made into "ranked" mode and that's it.
Had to sweat my ass on final round against previous season emerald rank party and we lost regardless. If I wanted to sweat, then I would've played Ranked Tournament
It's not fun, it's frustrating.
Best part is that I don't even play World Tour or quick cash or ranked tournament actively. I don't care about ranked cosmetics.
I played cause some challenges are bugged and makes progress on only on WT. ( hit opponents with arena carriables challenge seems to count only on WT, but earn 20k on cashout mode doesnt??? isn't it cashout mode as well? )

I don't want to say devs been lazy this season, but it really feels like it. Underwhelming season, I was hyped for it and I've been left disappointed

[wet verge]

Stun Gun does not need a Nerf! It just needs the Recon Sense Treatment

[granite kettle]

my fav game, love embark, i noticed when a game starts it changes my audio quality in my headphones to worse quality, this started at the new season

[granite vector]

TempleOS port please

[fading cobalt]

istg you live in an alternate reality and have somehow crossed over into ours.

[vale viper]

without a doubt its still good, but until you main it you won't realize that you even in fights where you were the better player, taking each shot and immediately take cover, the time frame that it takes your character two feet is enough to die to a fcar way more damage to you than your bow did to him. then you need to hit him 2 more times. The bow just can no compete with medium. I'm not gonna stop using it because I love bows in video games, which is the reason I used to main Hanzo. But the bow is supposed to be one of the top 5 best dps weapons in the game, yet instead it is just a relic for those who love bows. a medium should be 2 hit, a heavy 3 hit, and a light 2 hit, but if buffed to 125 it would allow for a fighting chance against other lights if you get caught off guard, because now you can hit on body shot and one melee to win that fight, rather than him having the ability to spray 40 bullets and only hit 10.

[strong escarp]

Pike:

• damage up from 47 -> 52
• fire rate down from 200 to 180 RPM

easiest way to make this weapon good without beating ARs at close range (plus it punishes misses even harder, making it more skill-based)

[unborn garnet]

Guys. You really gotta fix servers

[jagged vector]

Is any one having an issue where it says failed to sync back end data?

[proud ruin]

just got put into a rank game with 1 other person......... the third didnt leave, we were a team of two the whole time

[plain saffron]

Would love it if we could invite players from our clubs instead of having to friend request.

A messaging system in game would be nice too.

[tall zephyr]

wt queue is ass, i think they prioritize faster queue times instead of making matches fair. i got into the same match twice against ruby a ruby duo.

there is no such thing as match making. its just a big queue, who ever queues first, will put into a match first. they give you lvl 7 mates and ruby enemies.

[keen heath]

Im just saying it again vortex sucks among alot of gadgets and there is a reason why people will always do that
Embark promised a Meta shift and NOTHING has changed you guys better be giving the players one hell of a balance changes this season because games getting stale

[covert kite]

bro i swear to god june is gonna make me lose my shit everytime she says it

[rapid stream]

SCRUY MY GOAT

[steady star]

yall need to let club tags be reused, there arent any unique tags left that have any semblance of meaning

[stuck blade]

I sure hope that one of these days they get rid of grenade launchers and flamethrower as primary weapons! They should be utilised as gadgets! Also, the dome shield for the heavy should last a lot longer than it does, maybe make it last long enough to at least steal or revive a teammate. All in my own opinion, of course.

[elfin dock]

fuckiing embark stop comparing stuff wth ttv its cheesy as fuck,and sounds bad cause u are connecting real world with it.

[tired epoch]

This snowball event is super fun! To keep it year round you guys should add a party mode one shot dodgeball tournament or something. if you get hit you're out, if you catch it they're out and your longest eliminated teammate respawns. just a concept obviously add the finals flair and all but could be fun to keep around.