👂┇game-feedback

[restive berry]

The pike meta is becoming very boring, very quickly at the top of ranked.
Pike needs a damage min range of like 35m, and max range of 50m, dropping down to 50% damage at max range.
It also needs an rpm nerf to make it an actual long range weapon.
It's already a long range monster, better than the sniper in most cases. But it also being able to out brawl even a heavy or FCAR up close is ridiculous

[ember dirge]

Ok so embark waits till last minute to pull the same thing again and say we can't bring ranked rewards but "plan up bringing it 4.2" u kidding rn, so be ready for it to be next Wednesday because they will push it back as much as they can, stayed up to see nothing

[fierce sequoia]

I'm a recurve bow user and enjoyer, what does this actually means? I am so confused. It's either,

1. The bow did a maximum of 68 damage with minimum draw pull and that's a bug. Originally suppose to do 60.

2. The minimum damage of a bow is not 68 but 60?

Explain please help thanks.

[glacial condor]

Why did you nerf the pistol that makes it so much worse on console

[dull elm]

I just want to say thank you for adding so many dev notes!!!
I live seeing reasoning and stuff, very cool

[strange ermine]

It's not nothing. CL-40 got nerfed. Pike got nerfed too, but idk if a 7 point damage difference is really gonna mean that much. Good patch.

[regal salmon]

Yeah. This made me quit the game originally, and these changes aren't enough to bring me back. It's still unusable.

Juggling was completely fine, and the only viable use of the specialisation.

All the degenerate bullshit in the game, and this is what you focus on? Killing an important style that kept the meta honest?

Ugh. This game isn't for me without it.

[dark niche]

surprised sword and dash hasnt been messed with? its a struggle for console players.

[violet elbow]

effectively nerfing the V9S against Medium and Heavy btw.

[restive crow]

I totally agree! Mesh shield is still pretty much useless >:((

[proper barn]

No model nerf is crazy

[torpid sky]

nerf v9s ttk on medium and heavy
keep pike 3 tapping lights
keep model untouched

the devs should be fired

[coarse jetty]

Mesh shield juggling is a cowardly way to play and you know it. You guys already have the most health and best offensive options in the whole game.

[civic orchid]

These s2 rewards are nice but I already had them, but where are the s3 ones?

[modern bramble]

Very interesting changes this patch! Prime time bonus sounds like a cool way to reward cashout starters more than ever before! Excited to play the new patch!

[swift crater]

could u make it so when u hold ur right click with the throwing knifes ur left hand comes in so its not covering the screen, would make it nicer. thanks ❤️

[fluid raptor]

V9s is still objectively better than xp54 in basically every aspect. Xp54 needs to at least get 17 damage instead of 16 bc it's just obectively worse than so many weapons in way to many aspects. The most consistant and fun weapon just feels so shit to use now.
You should also further reduce the mesh cooldown imo, makes glitch more useful.

[paper oak]

sem, buff the revolver

[crisp oxide]

WHY IS TRIPLE MEDIUM CL40 PIKE 3 X DEFIB THE META FOR RANKED WHAT HAVE U DONE HAVE U NO SHAME?????

[wary knot]

" We felt our buff of the CL-40 in 4.0 was too much"... Did embark even test at least a little bit what they do? It seems like they do updates without any knowledge what they do exactly

[ebon sequoia]

No reward handouts yet :L

[shy swan]

REMOVE THE WINCH CLAW DEPLOY DELAY AND MAKE SHIELDS BLOCK AND BREAK WINCH CLAWS

MAKE CHARGE AND SLAM SO LESS DAMAGE BUT RECHARGE FASTER WHEN U HIT NOTHING

[merry creek]

Return crossplay to season 1 ... Promise this game will die on console soon.... being forced to play against PC is brain dead

[tawdry scarab]

both primary's you mentioned just got nerfed

[keen lily]

still no revolver buff

@odd ibex why don't you use your head for once dumass, buffing revolver on close/mid range would make it viable pick against the pike

[tired ibex]

be more clear with when things are expected to happen. for example ranked rewards fr fr..?

[muted ice]

still no world tour rewards?

[light heart]

DELETE STUNGUN AND MY WALLET IS YOURS,EMBARK

[keen quiver]

I've waited three times for the update, and I'm still crash as soon as I enter the multiplayer game

[wooden chasm]

The new 1.6 self damage on the CL-40 is kinda insane, if someone shoots you with 90 damage and you accidentally shoot a wall that is 1 cm too wide, you are dead

[woven meadow]

Why can't you guys make it so the mesh shield takes like 500 flat dmg when reopened or smth? Any cooldown on it makes it absolute trash

[floral shoal]

Add a Bell Curve damage model to the Pike. Devs are already saying it might still be too oppressive.

Have damage be lower at under 20 or 30 meters, ramp up to max damage and peaking at 50-60 meters before falling off to a mid point between the low and high at extreme ranges.

[odd ibex]

Bro use ur damn head for once,pike is a better and more accurate revolver
WHO thought if giving medium LH clone?

The heavy charge m slam immediately does maximum damage even if heavy start right in front of and almost no visual warning out of nowhere,it’s completely unbalanced,add the grunt audio right before it activates not in the middle of charge n slam,it should half damage for charge and more knock back when it start and maximum damage at the slam.

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad that’s sticks to enemies or walls. It’s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal it’s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map
Give sonar back to medium

[opal swallow]

Do it to the sniper too and I am in.

[wind reef]

good

[restive crescent]

another week for ranked rewards? like, really?

[jovial root]

are we ever getting a kill cam and all chat features

[wintry oyster]

The devs are doing a great job in trying to balance the game by listening to feedback but still ensuring they sort out the brain dead proposals by looking at the stats themselves.

I appreciate that. 👍🏽

[clear river]

i cant play crossplay is it normal?

[sterile kindle]

This patch contained basically every (popular) change I was wanting to see, thank you for listening to the community embark

[pseudo leaf]

pike nerf doesn't make sense. it has the same kill time for every classes before. Why not just nerf its firerate + hip fire accuracy?

[carmine token]

A few dozen people cannot balance accordingly to the desires of 16000-20000 without testing it in the community. Chances are, most of the dev team are more in-line with average, more casual players - thinking any Light buffs would make them OP, thinking Heavy's too underpowered now, etc.
The people here are the tippy-top, or at least pretend to be. There's only so much the devs can do without having the community test certain changes.

Put simply, I'm sure that the devs understand that, despite Lights' low win rate at ranked, they are the players driving new players away in casual modes. That's why they're careful when it comes to messing with Medium or Heavy, and careful with buffing Lights - the player count matters, and the majority of players are NOT ranked players.
@keen pike dude they literally just nerfed it.

[signal basin]

No reverse nerf for XP54 and a shitty change on V9S

[keen pike]

All those feebacks on the CL-40 are true, I find myself forced to play CL-40 because nothing else can get me the win and I do not enjoy that, you just simply cant kill fast enough with any other medium weapon, the CL-40 is far too easy to use for the amount of dmgs it does, im surprised this was not nerfed in the days after the update, do you simply not do balance hotfix ?

[wind meteor]

What? the fire rate was slightly lowered, but the damage was slighlty increase. You can now shoot 6 times per second, instead of 7.16 times. And there is now way you can convince me you can even do 6 taps per second.

@proper barn model has the lowest fire rate in the game. That's why it has good damage, which is only effective at close range. It is viable for a medium because it can provide an effective secure play style, where they can shoot once and hide behind a corner quickly, or healing their teammates and letting go just to do one final shot. So really, the weapon is strong but balanced and the most adequate for a supporting class.

@winged estuary I cannot tell you how many tournaments I've lost due to a medium stacking with no skill at all. When I am able to single handedly remove two of them at a time, only for them to get revived in a glimpse and spam their CLs, this is a balancing issue. BUT I would never say the balancing team sucks. Things are now better than ever before (except for the CL), and it is hard to balance a game with such different archetypes without going into the trap of role queuing, destroying the creativity of the game effectively. So just play and have fun.

[tropic sequoia]

The patchnotes sound good, great job Embark!

[opal ruin]

Finally the much needed patch. Looks great

[grave fox]

This is the way. If L is even half as strong as M, they're going to drive away a lot of the playerbase with their annoying playstyle.

V9S just got nerfed and XP was nerfed the patch prior, but even as an L player you sort of have to throw your hands up and try to understand this balancing perspective. L players can still make it work though if they're nasty with it, which is probably ok!

@ornate dew
The damage spreadsheets are already updated, you can see the V9S nerf in action right there, feel free to take a look at the TTK changes.

@flat bronze
Here's the sheet you requested
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?gid=2136619021#gid=2136619021

[dreamy tusk]

as both a light AND cl40 player, why is self damage now 1.6x

[flat bronze]

thanks

[errant osprey]

Light Class in The Finals is currently in a rough spot, especially in ranked play. Its low health pool already makes it vulnerable, and when paired with the subpar weapon options—essentially "pea shooters". Light Class lacks the firepower to even compete with the other classes especially given how squishy it is. Either increase the health or increase the DPS but not doing any of that will leave the class feeling underpowered and not viable in competitive.

[restive berry]

Embark, please, I love you guys, but you missed the mark on the Pike "nerf".

It needs to have it's range drop off effected more, and it needs to have it's RPM nerfed, so that it plays and feels more like a long range gun. Nerfing the damage very slightly, didn't effect it's ttk against Light or Medium.

The CL nerf doesn't really feel like a nerf either. The CL is oppressive, not only because it does a little too much damage, but because you can shoot all 4 shells, and then reload the first shell, shoot, reload the first shell, shoot. The time for reloading the first shell on an empty mag needed to be increased by 0.3-0.5 seconds. It already effectively had a 5-6-7 round magazine, because of how quickly the first shell goes back in on an empty reload.

Another week or so of pike/cl gaming is going to do a lot of damage to your game

[red echo]

We need static crosshair for our sights or make the dot static in the sights , for example akm red dot is unstable and shaky af

[slow spruce]

So we still don't have 1/1/1 team-makeups and we're getting things nerfed again because people love to ruin the game. If you don't want to limit the classes then limit the weapons to 1 equipped per team? I don't think we should be nerfing things based on 'certain combos or when stacked' when it's much easier and better to just remove the stacking.. It shouldn't have been allowed in the first place

[strange ermine]

KS-23 accuracy. The damn thing is a rifle that requires pinpoint accuracy and yet we still can't ADS even though there are irons on the fucking weapon model.

[olive night]

Very good changed this week guys. This CL-40 was overpowered.
Can you consider giving us more options when it comes to private matches?
I would love to be able to set up the time and the teams. I love custom games and I believe you should let us mess with the settings of private matches.

[marble crane]

REVERT XP-54 NERF

[covert yacht]

No Mobel nerf is crazy

[pseudo breach]

And a crash on the 1st match.... Fucking clown devs. Christ

[stray wing]

Im really happy with Season 4! Overall awesome Game. I just want to ask you to adress some of the riotshield bugs and maybe to make smoke available for Medium class. I think would also be useful for Medium and Not to strong either.

[violet delta]

When will the prizes be given? Ranked Ruby

[radiant reef]

The World Tour menu should tell what the current stop does. It currently only shows the maps, but not any rule change unless you check by yourself the patch notes/discord announcement.

[half quarry]

will you guys ever do a patch with actual changes to the meta or y'all just okay with the "yeah we good no need to read wth happens in game-feedback"?

[dense willow]

Embark please add an option to have a wheel pop up for the data reshaper to give players the option to get their desired canister.
Similar to shulk in smash this would allow the data reshaper to be more versatile as a gadget and allowed to be used more strategically and offensively.
Of course tapping should be still be kept in for players that prefer to cycle or have already memorized

And as further compensation for light for medium gaining access to glitch canisters, glitch grenades in return should be buffed to explode on impact and it's duration should be increased to 8 seconds.
And maybe a shorter cooldown.

[stark pilot]

Humor pike nerf, just nerf it's RPM, that is easily.

[civic orchid]

These s2 rewards are nice but I already had them, but where are the s3 ones?

[thick sorrel]

Great anlysis!
Signed.

@errant osprey true.

[zealous robin]

The Finals Steam Card Collection when

[floral shoal]

Or just make it a bell curve damage model so that way it's forced to perform in medium range instead of being a slow firing single-bullet shotgun.

[carmine token]

The game feedback channel is like democracy - you go and make your voice "heard" and all of your opinions are put in a paper shredder while the real "adults" in the room decide what's good for you.
Then again, considering half of the opinions here are "delete this map/weapon/gadget", I can't blame them.
@noble spade you will use the crusty pixel-bleeding slop that is FSR and you will LIKE it.

[delicate notch]

agreed! Let us choose which players to put in which teams and when it comes to teams also add a random button. It is very bothersome having friends to leave the room and rejoin in a specific order. Also let us do 2v2v2 or smth.

[swift heron]

Where exactly are my emerald rewards?

[iron wren]

CL40 is really good now

[bitter acorn]

I think being able to rate other players could be a good idea, maybe as a random popup like the feedback we get after some matches?

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

[west anchor]

Now imagine primetime buff on a 3 stack heavy team. Ridiculous 😂😂

[boreal anchor]

CL40 balance is done actually good, experienced players like myself maining since S1 see it as a HUGE buff, while noobs suck with it now 🙂 no more brainded stuff

[winter sparrow]

Waiting times for Ranked Tournaments are outrageous. Not sure what the problem is but I'm consistently waiting at least 10 min, often 15-20 min, to get into a single ranked game :(

[signal basin]

Put some love and DPS on Light please Embark !

Have you take a look on your ranked actually ?!

Reverse the XP nerf ! Reduce the regen time. Do something for stop being instant kill in every game !

Light still gonna be 2 shots by CL40. Still 3 shots by PIKE from far away when they have to go in CQC to try to get a kill without dying !

Btw. No change when you're only two in squads and lose points freely

[azure ridge]

The description for the CL-40 is incorrect :(

[signal stirrup]

No rewards still is a travesty. If the issue is with ranked terminal leaderboards for Ruby, why can't you give us the World Tour rewards at least?

I'm sorry but self damage should never be above 1x on any weapon. Otherwise, the CL-40 changes aren't bad but such an excessive self damage multiplier is just flat out ridiculous.

The V9S getting a lower TTK on an already challenging to use weapon but good in the right hands... Did anyone think to do the math?

And the Pike is basically the same regardless because of the drop off not being aggressive enough or maybe it should become a projectile over a certain distance like the neutered sniper?

It shouldn't matter what you intend with regards to the mesh shield - this isn't overwatch and Reinhardt when the team all sits behind and shoots through the shield and it never will be.

Get it together guys. The piss poor balancing is going to kill this game.

[whole belfry]

Ok. I think im done for now.
A new skin for Dual blades is fine and dandy, but i'd rather have you at least try to do some balancing to them.
As i've said couple of times, and these two points other dual players have agreed to as viable options for buff/balancing change to them without making them op in any way.

1. make the attack speed slightly faster
2. make it possible to cancel attacks to block. Maybe not instantly, maybe just the last sequence of the combo.

Allmost 90% of the im going up against any class 1v1 and they are decent players with some movement skills i loose to a quick melee. If i had gone with a quick mele myself in some instances i would have won, but the fakt that im running melee weapon and have to resort to using my elbow to get a kill is just... if the animation for quick attack were something related to the blades i would have been fine whit it.

Change no 1. should not be a change that's hard to implement. Change no 2. i understand is not that easy.
At least lets try no 1.

And like ive said before please! no complete rework.
The block dmg reduction is fine, in my controversial oppinion the deflection is fine to (just have to learn how to use it).
Its a fun weapon and the only weapon i play... but i would really like to feel like im being more consistant.

btw, thanks for the self damage increase to the cl-40. Perhaps i can actualy go up against it as a melee player nov 🙂

As always, thanks for making a great game in every other aspect. Its my favourite.

[graceful sequoia]

Playing as a Light, you have to move like a maniac across the map, knowing that any Medium with a Pike can kill you in 2-3 shots from over 50m away, with a weapon that has no recoil and probably has the best sight in the game. If you manage to get close, the M still has the advantage because that same weapon has hip-fire accuracy that feels like a shotgun. And if you manage to kill him, it doesn't matter, because he likely has a teammate with a CL40 that only needs to spit 2 grenades at the ground to kill you anyway. And now he has an extra bullet.

It doesn't matter if you dodge, if you stun them, any kid drooling over their controller can turn around, headbutt the buttons, and spam grenades at your feet before you can even react.

The way they balance the Mediums' weapons is a complete joke in this game.

[odd ibex]

Need sight on 93r
Acog sight for revolver
Single click and hold for dagger
Overall nerf damage to auto weapons as time to kill is too high

[glacial storm]

changing sights at the start of a match would be nice

[wooden shuttle]

The weekly store items have been so trash lately

[potent solar]

gotta agree with this. feels especially bad if there are connection issues and you're hit with a super bullet so it feels like a one shot

[cloud jungle]

Please tell the balance team about a concept known as "breakpoints". The pike nerf does nothing.

[quartz cedar]

Please tell the balance team about a concept known about "breakpoints". The pike nerf does nothing.

[cyan pawn]

embark, first of all thx for making the change to nametags with the slider thing (i made a suggestion for it) BUT that was only half of it the health bar is very nice to have a slider for but the cashouts A,B,C,D, actual names were not added.

u added first half u can do other half thx!

[tired ibex]

L take

[stark trench]

"CL40 shouldnt self damage" wait till these guys her about the rpg

[gleaming tide]

Egg throwing knives

[ebon wing]

Still no rewards from s3, don't worry , we get them at season 5, instead of s4 rewards

[velvet moth]

Did you read the dev notes? They explained it

[versed hazel]

best suggestion ive ever seen in the channel

[distant moth]

contracts are not hidden in the game even set to no contract display for this update

[neat yoke]

Please tell the balance team about a concept known about "breakpoints". The pike nerf does nothing.

[willow yoke]

Still no point in picking anything other than medium
just does everything better than all other classes while having the most op gadgets
Get your head out ouf your fucking ass and start balancing your stupid game

[mortal notch]

Buff the balancing team
Medium is by far the best class and does everything L and H can do and better please make the game good I’m getting tried of replaying rdr2 for the 90th time

[restive crow]

Please tell the balance team about a concept known about "breakpoints". The pike nerf does nothing.

[rain epoch]

This very well might be the worst patch I have seen.

Pike is virtually unchanged 7 damage doesnt even change the ttk. I have so suffer at minimal another week of its abuse?

No model nerf

No buffs to ARs, ak still sitting with a random 4 rounds missing.

and zero change to the actual issues that plauge ranked cashout (30% plug, 10% wipe).

i just dunno......

[civic orchid]

These s2 rewards are nice but I already had them, but where are the s3 ones?

[odd ibex]

The most reasonable comment I have ever seen also deagle nerf too

The heavy charge m slam immediately does maximum damage even if heavy start right in front of and almost no visual warning out of nowhere,it’s completely unbalanced,add the grunt audio right before it activates not in the middle of charge n slam,it should half damage for charge and more knock back when it start and maximum damage at the slam.
Like how is a specialisation this high in damage and the class has high damage weapon like Lewis,hammer,shotgun etc like what’s being compensated?

[sand ridge]

I just got a ranked game where I was seed 1 but only had two players. Not having away to surrender but being forced to cough up 1000 ranked is crazy.

[ornate sluice]

The battle pass is pretty boring compared to last season, it feels like a step backwards. Almost everything is plan looking. I think avoiding a theme hurt more than helped my interests in the cosmetics.

[upbeat urchin]

Fix weapon mastery XP from starting to lvl 1 everytime this is anoying !

[winter wren]

facts man

[karmic fiber]

Event idea: Portals arround the map. Like in league of league when the electric dragon appears. This could be instead a variant for sys horizon.

[dark niche]

id think most of the console community will agree with a few things and maybe a few pc players.
console players have a major disadvantage in fights with PC players, pc players can flick, turn and aim easier and control recoil easier, not only that can beam from a far,

for the players from pc, i bet 99% of pc players dont want controller players on their team, but love to play against them cuz our movement is horrible, we cant shoot far range for anything, and aim assist barely works, im assuming because of the in game settings not being accurate or something.

So can we please have console only, just like season 1? cuz nobody on console turns it off so its even harder to find a ranked match.

Not forgetting that the fps for console players are capped at 60, pc have every advantage possible, therefor we struggle with the in game mechanics more and again very tough long distances, especially AKM, Fcar and other similar guns, maybe not pike but i dont use Medium so i wont know 🤷‍♂️

-At least bring Input Devices to make it fair
-finally anyone that says turn off crossplay i will just straight ignore, its not as easy as u think on finding matches, if you turn off crossplay u turn off crossplay with ps4 or xbox, u aint gonna find a match with 24 people on the same console at the same time.

[brave light]

With the addition of the emp barrel to data reshaper, which enlarged the barrel cycle list. Wouldn't it be nice to use the second mouse click to reverse the cycle?

[echo panther]

is it a bug that ur world tour rank is not updating?

[versed vault]

agree i think if they had xbox/ps instead of all combined it would make for a much more enjoyable time and better matchmaking times

[manic granite]

why did they fix the bug with the "spectral skull" mask that made you look completely black? it looked great like that 😢

[fathom aurora]

cl and pike nerfed, now its time to cry about heal beam, defib and model until they nerf them as well 🤡 👆

[ember ridge]

imo they should buff aim assist for console players. they nerfed it too much it's already hard enough against pc players. I don't think separating pc and console players is a good idea. mtach making will take way too long

[boreal anchor]

as S1 main user of CL40, you know officially killed the gun and made it worse then S3. I quit. Maybe in the future when embark has actual expertise in balancing and know what theyu are doing I come back. cheers.

[slim rampart]

BTW "We suspect it may still be too effective in too many different use cases, so we’ll continue to review the impact of this change and adjust in later patches if we feel more balancing is needed. "

[plush fjord]

HOLY SHIT these patch notes feel so good!!!!
as a med main, i feel so relaxed after that pike and cl40 nerf, feels so balanced. and mesh buff is fireeee

[median timber]

what is wrong with matchmaking, i cant even play, always stuck on the "waiting for other contestants to connect" screen, then i get a timeout, its been like this for two weeks.

and now... even support tickets are broken.

[hallow kindle]

This Pike 'nerf' literally did nothing. The gun is still overpowered. Time to nerf its rate of fire.

[keen abyss]

Just use the meta like everyone else tbh

[narrow hearth]

why increase the cl40 self damage, that was the one thing i didnt want you to do man, yay to self kills

[half yarrow]

Please make it possible to change teams in private matches!
I have a bunch of friends that wants to play 2v2 in private matches, would be epic if you added that as an option.
(also customize rules would be nice)

[pseudo leaf]

revert the fuc*ing dagger

[pale quest]

@narrow hearth Found cl40 user everyone was complaining about (the no brain straight line run towards the enemy while spamming grenades because of low self-damage)

[rigid portal]

WHERE THE F*** ARE OUR EMERALD REWARDS FROM LAST SEASON? THIS GAME IS ACTUALLY TAKING A PISS ATM. RANK IS HORRIBLE BCS CONSOLE HAS TO PLAY AGAINST PC 24/7 AND NOW WE DIDNT EVEN GET OUR REWARDS, AGAIN! BUT HEY, THE NEW SKINS IN THE STORE ARE UPDATED, RIGHT? ALL THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS

[shy parcel]

skill issue
Fuck it didn’t reply to the guy I wanted to

[strange ermine]

Can we either make the KS-23 projectiles larger or just give it the ability to actually ADS? This thing is unreasonably punishing in close quarters. It's a rifle (classified as a carbine irl) that we're stuck hipfiring with for some reason. Why??

[vocal snow]

I wish the V9S wasn't a victim of macro or alternative binds users, now it seems Embark decided instead to punish everyone, including people playing legit with it

[mellow narwhal]

Ight so pike needs rpm nerf or recoil nerf, deagles need either a range reduction or accuracy decrease, and model still needs to be touched either the range or dmg that thing is a sniper in a shotgun body firing slugs pretty much

[graceful pewter]

Please stop trolling with the S3 rewards!

[stray wing]

Calm down. The rewards are Late, because they make sure no Hackers get the rewards (was mentioned in the patchnotes btw). Additonally im pretty sure you can just disable crossplay

[kindred crypt]

a server for middle-east players? all of my teammates lags alot, feels like we're playing on 150-200+ pings all the time...

[terse seal]

Embark, please let friendly sonar grenade pings show through the smoke.

smoke grenades blind both friend and foe, sonar pings shining through would create a team friendly support build for lights!

i beg!

[balmy basin]

Please have the crowd not be louder than the cashout steal noise couldn't hear the steal blare

[royal gust]

Nerf sword pls. Thanks for the nerfs btw this patch❤️

[shy turtle]

So I just didn't get a game for the past HOUR because there was an update and I was in the old version queuing for a match for an hour without getting one (idk why it let me do that) so I turned the game off and the update starts yippie so yea restart your games

[teal venture]

I wish the V9S wasn't a victim of macro or alternative binds users, now it seems Embark decided instead to punish everyone, including people playing legit with it

[lament hearth]

Bro say it louder for the people in the back! I worked mad hard for E1 , having horrible team mates and all. Keeping our rewards for so long makes me not want to play this game.

[potent solar]

it doesn't really feel like you guys have created mini games / advantages per weapon like we'd expect. ie the double barrel should rule at close range but needs help anywhere beyond that.

this is especially bad on the model and pike. it just feels like you give out a damage number so x gun is always best, rather than x gun is best in x scenario. this kinda ruins the depth of the game and kills the perception or expectation you have when choosing a weapon.

you gotta be more aggressive on spread or distance fall off to introduce a counter pick minigame. pros and cons are not clearly defined as most weapons are mostly (or always) a pro or a con.

someone also mentioned percentage damage per class (good idea). if you just choose a set number lights will always get killed instantly and you won't have the resolution to affect the ttk by numbers alone. I'd like to see a loadout and know which weapon will be best against at vs always choosing the same class and loadout if I want to win. Gameplay > realism and accurate numbers, if you gotta cheat do it

on our end your methodogy for balancing (whether its a team or by committee) feels way to slow and often tone deaf. this is a step in the right direction but you're going way too slow

[shy swan]

1k hours n this game is is literaly painfuly persistantly dissapointing - almost no voice or text chat useage, third party spam, settings worse than mobile game ports, and 24/7 BROKEN METAS

charge n slam

• if you hit nothing your cooldown is less (like the winch)
• balance damage n knockback
  Winch
• make it destroy shields not go through them
  pike
• nerf the damage n recoil (its meta n unfun to use)
  game
• option to disable auto mantel allowing us more movement control
• let us cancel abilities like grappel n charge instant when hitting the button again0
• winch claw should be easier to aim n not have delay
• show were people respawn for less unfun third party spam
• remove low gravity
• better more exact sensitivity settings (current settings suck, percents!!!!!?????)
• xp boost for never turning off voice chat
• all text n voice chat moments!?!?!?! (most brainless obvious way to make ur game more fun)
• allow us to change opasity of screen clutter when ads
• show us where people respawn with on screen marker making third parties more balenced (people alive should have an advantage not people who died got freecam n respawned next to you. its so unfun everyone i know who played this game got burnout from that n left for good FIX UR GAME)
  shotguns
• all medium and light shotguns need their own nerfs
• TOO MANY LEVELS make everything u grind contribute to one number n that would be your fame and amount of fans you have.
  dome
• make it last 7 seconds not 5 or 12
  defib
• make the revived hp less than half
  updates
• MONTHS we have to wait MONTHS for a new spec or weapon. and we diddnt even get a new spec or gadget this season. atf u doing.
  RUSTY RUCKUS
• GLITCHED SKIN DISAPEARS MID GAME PLAY TEST UR GAME

[next rock]

HOW IS THE MODEL STILL NOT NERFED,

[river plover]

While agree with most of your message, medium is a lot stronger than heavy right now. The damage output of all classes is about the same, and medium has some of the strongest guns right now.

What I would like is for heavies to be frontliners, medium to be buffers, lights to be disablers. Heavy is crazy, but only if they have a buffing medium helping them, and lights can stop the medium, thus making the heavy less useful.

I guess glitch grenade kinda does that, but the glitch is honestly pretty meh.

I also think dagger is a perfect example of what a light weapon should be, a weapon that really shines when people are distracted, and can quickly cause a team to turn to chaos.

I would 100% want to play medium if I could buff my team more
Some of my most fun moments in this game was when I was playing with my 2 heavy buddies and trying to dodge enemy fire while giving them the crazy heals the beta had, or when we were bunkered up in barricades, the whole building was collapsing and I was trying so hard to keep them alive while trying to stay hidden behind the barricade.

TL;DR, Medium should have worse guns and better teamplay

[torpid sky]

why is pike ttk on light and medium is still the same and why is model not touched !

[fallow idol]

Why change the fire rate of the v9s? Why????

[signal basin]

I agree. Medium should have worse gun and more teamplay.
As Light should have more DPS and survability.

There is no love for Light. Looks like dev dont give a shit about this class. BUFF THEIR WEAPONS DMG.
Light are already dead and you continu to bury them

[harsh lava]

Play sword

[upper citrus]

Why would I ever play a class with downsides when I could play medium

[warped moat]

Embark! Please add the i single right click, the dagge would still attack.

[kind condor]

ur game still sucks embark, especially if we're talking about performance optimizations

[gloomy sorrel]

Fr

[pale quest]

pure comedy. lets add new weapons and gadgets every week. make it so you unlock and max out everything after playing 20 minutes and turn on wallhack when enemy team respawns (helps with third parties)

[wraith orchid]

no dagger change is crazzzyyyyy

as well as no light spec buffs

[void blade]

Embark nerfed the pike and cl40 so once again, id like to say thank you for listening to us. Theres no other game id rather rage at 😂

[wary cypress]

Event ideas:

1. Thunderstorm, and before you say it's just like orbital lasers, lightning strikes randomly like meteor shower and can glitch or stun players and gadgets.

2. Dead-go-boom rework: make the trophies/totems take time to prime like a mine or delayed like a grenade.

[rough herald]

embark, why do you hate "mesh juggling" so much? its a fun mechanic bro
its like Bhop, the dev never knew of it existent but people love it and made a whole community around it
ofc there unfortunately won't be shield juggling community lmao but you get my point, keep the fun stuff pls

[winter sparrow]

First of all hackers/cheaters is a HUGE problem in all game modes. Not sure how but please up your anti-cheat game, it's a real problem. I encounter cheaters at least once per day, often a lot more.

But on the new season in general:

1. The waiting times for Ranked Tournament matches is insane, often 20 min or longer, sometimes I can't even get in at all before the game just randomly kicks me out of the queue. It's especially bad during night hours (00-09 am) but it's pretty bad during daytime too, mostly for Ranked but also for World Tour.

2. When a team mate disconnects from a Ranked or World Tour game (leaving my team severely outnumbered) I still get penalised for refusing to de-rank because someone disconnected, which is pretty wild tbh. This makes it really annoying to play Ranked, especially on top of the extreme wait times.

3. On a similar note: when playing Ranked with randoms I almost always get paired with people of much lower rank while facing teams of much higher ranking players. Often I get paired with unranked players while the other teams are all Silver or Gold (I'm currently Silver 4).

[quick coyote]

just trowing it out there. wouldnt input based matchmaking be great? xdefiant has it and i have to say i like it (i play on ps5 ) the playing field is just way more balanced

[wicked topaz]

honestly , i dont see this at all , my queue times are fine, all sub 1m at gold 1, and i very rarely encounter cheaters at all. i do agree that losing points after your teammates leave in ranked is an issue , something has to be done about that
even when accidental , its so unfair, for example i was playing with 3 friends yesterday , and one crashed in the final round. he couldnt reconnect in time and got the maximum losing penalty (-1800 or something) , and we got +1200 for coming in second

[smoky gust]

if an enemy you're fighting eliminates themselves, you should get the kill
(happens a bit more often with the cl self damage change)

[fast rover]

@shy parcel nice video! music is fire and the editing aswell. goes hard

@upper citrus i am talking about weapons which requires skill and not cl40. And no melee weapon is hard to use, specially combined with cloak.
@torpid sky literally one hit

[thorn kelp]

99% of people in this channel should seek help

[young abyss]

Anyone ever had the bug where someone would be stealing the cashout station, but it would play the stealing sound very quietly and the cashout icon wouldn't be glowing red?

[red echo]

Pls add static crosshair while we ads and let us remove the sight dot , or make sight dot static

[dark niche]

Input Baed Match Making please, i hate playing against mnk players its so unfair for fights.

[peak wagon]

I won’t be able to get on until later tonight but I HOPE that self damage for the CL-40 is enough damage to make em stop shooting at their feet, they don’t even have to aim no matter how much I dash, especially when there’s 3 stacked with healing beam defibs

[dense flame]

how is the rewards normal in s3 ? and when is it coming?

[muted ferry]

Can we just get a basic TDM Gamemode?

[wind meteor]

I was thinking about why the balancing in this game is so hard. And I have an idea. It's a slight change but can lead to a massive rework.

Basically weapons are tuned depending on how many taps or bullets should one need to eliminate each of the 3 classes. This is most evident for close range high damage weapons, whether firepower or melee.

It becomes hard to make it varied and fair when the standard dictates: X taps for L, +1 for M, +1 for H, which almost always makes X=1, because X=2 makes an H worth only 2 times an L... If you fumble with the values, it feels like it will always settle to same parameters.

So, I would suggest: DECREASE THE RANGES OF HEALTH POINTS.

One way is:
Keep M at 250 HP.
Bring down H a Y amount from 350 HP.
Bring up L a Y amount from 150 HP.

A good Y amount can be anything between 10 and 25. Take Y=15 for example, then:
L = 165 HP, M = 250 HP, H = 335 HP

H becomes almost 2 L with M a middle ground.

This will lead to a retuning of almost all weapons, but I truly believe believe it is necessary to pave way for a better balancing, because, as it is now, H = 2L+50 will keep on bottlenecking the balancing procedure.

[hasty oriole]

Alright! Back to the Model meta!! 😩

[restive crow]

Guys don’t you think 3M cl40 stack is still overpowered?? I just played against them as a Light.
And sadly pike nerf is useless :((

[ember ridge]

lights are pretty good in my opinion. what's your loadout?

[jovial sonnet]

any 3 stack with any weapon is “overpowered”

[sudden tangle]

imagine nerfing light even though it is literally the worst its ever been and it was not once, SINCE LAUNCH part of the meta

[surreal tree]

its better if practice range can matchmake with parties

[gritty rampart]

i don't see a suggestions channel, and this is basically the closest thing, so i'll just put my idea in here.

New Specialization for Medium - Handheld Grenade Launcher
Holds 2 shots at a time, one in the chamber and one in reserve. The grenades function as breaching rounds, similar to the Light gadget, but instead of having a timer it detonates instantly. Rounds recharge over time similarly to the Light gadget, too. The grenade's explosion does 40 damage, so it could also function as a decent finisher as well, kinda like a weaker and more utility-focused RPG. Hitting a direct with it to an opponent will deal a meatier 70 damage, but will not cause an explosion. Weapon's model is based off the M320 GLM. ADSing will be similar to the KS-23 or CL-40.

[low ingot]

The rational core complaint against the CL-40: It's sensorily overwhelming, literally gives people a headache under sustained spam.

The core function of the CL-40: Give mediums who lack pixel-perfect aim a reasonable counter to being harrassed at close range by evasive melee/M11/sawn-off lights.

The latest patch: Make the CL-40 useless at close range, and add another grenade so the sensory demolition of its sound-effects when used by a double or triple-wielding team is far worse and more sustained.

What?

[upper citrus]

There a multiple melee weapons in this game that are harder to use than guns. The guns in this game are incredibly easy to use

[sterile yew]

melees on medium are so useless when it comes to fighting other melees, they really need a rework because they are some of the most garbo weapons but the most fun, i love all of the melee weapons so buffing them can make them way to strong but its just never gonna be able to compete with sword or sledge

[torn canyon]

You're crazy if you think melee weapons aren't hard to use. They require more positioning and skill than 90% of the guns in the game.

[boreal anchor]

you do not understand how to play light + CL40 is nerfed so badly it is worse then S3 now after the last nerf patch...

[tulip steppe]

Man are we ever gonna get the emerald skins from last season???

[brittle obsidian]

The dev notes of this patch are genuinely depressing. Please just revert mesh. A 7 damage nerf literally did nothing to the pike. The CL40 changes feel like they were done by a completely different balance team member who was not aware of what the original change was for: nerfing ttk against light and making heavy more fightable (except you failed the first bit by not implementing the fire rate nerf THAT WAS IN THE PATCH NOTES)

[smoky gust]

can we please get the ability to disallow revives?

waiting 20 seconds to coin, just to be forced back by a defib medium that decided to rush 3 enemies, leading to us both dying is not fun
(this would also fix the issue of teammates preventing you from swapping items)

[fierce sequoia]

XP-40.. wtf happened to it.

[devout talon]

Oh nice ! or disable only if a dead teammate swap an item ? Or the dead teammate have to press an option permitting a rez ?

[flint jungle]

wait 5 season 🤣

[lapis tinsel]

Quote from Oscar:
The ranked rewards are ready.
The list of recipients are ready.

We are testing the reward handout flow, meaning the system that ensures that the right reward goes to the right person.
As soon as this has been tested enough for us to have confidence in the system, we will push the button.
I do not know if that level of confidence will be reached in an hour, or by Monday, or by Thursday. Our ambition is to get it done as soon as possible.

[upper vortex]

Please just auto ban everyone who has multiple game bans on record from other games. I hate looking up obvious cheaters that drop 20 kills per game only to see that they have multiple vac and game bans on steam and have been playing finals since season 1 without getting banned.

[jagged knot]

where are the S3 rewards ... Game just skipped the rewards animation suddenly ENGIMO ad came ... After that, I checked the inventory, and there were no S3 rewards. WTH embark for once try to do something nicely.

[uneven dagger]

People still crying? 😭

[keen pike]

Cant bro just do an update sql request on a copy of the database ? Do they store player data in plain text ?

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

[elder basin]

Nice try! I'm not touching mesh shield again until you fix it! Making the garbage less hot isn't fixing it. Admit you're wrong and move on!

[violet elbow]

no real pike nerf
mesh still dogshit
v9s nerf
no model nerf
no winch nerf
no charge nerf

I mean at this point why do we still bother with feedback, devs clearly love doing everything besides what the majority of the community asks for

[dark niche]

Input Based Match Making please, i hate playing against mnk players its so unfair for fights.

[somber grove]

okey so data reshaper instead of turning gas barrel into explosive barrel, now gas turns into emp,
but emp turns into RANDOM barrel?

[merry prism]

Add option to make colors based on team, please

[stark pilot]

Reduce XP54 reload and increase 1 damage or increase RPM.
Reduce goo grenade right click delay.(In high rank, 0.5 sec could make a lot of damage)
Reduce CL40 self-damage to 1x.
Reduce mesh shield speed slower if you want to add CD.
Reduce winch CD a little bit when it miss.
Reduce throwing knife right click to 100 damage.
Increase MGL54 RPM.
Increase flash bang charge to 3 .
Increase C4 charge to 2
Increase diffib CD like RPG, 3 med with 3 diffib is annoying.
Buff ks23, spear right click, sniper hippie accuracy,
Buff fcar range drop-off.
Buff stun gun range, before this patch, stun gun is already poor in high rank, this update make it more useless in high rank.
Nerf clocking grenade 1 sec.
NERF the fking pike-556 RPM.
Make slam could be goo or iron shield block and stop.
Add right click function to flamethrower maybe can do more damage but has less range.
Embark you ruin the dagger player experience, just hear the dagger player wishlist.
Remove duel blade or make it more usable, I seen a lot of noob just buy this trash and be killed 10 times above and leave game.
Riot shield VS fire grenade or flamethrower is so ridiculous.
I think WT change or maybe event isn't a good idea, add 100 HP is huge advantage for defender.
Solved shutter when enemy hit is SOOOOOOOOOO great, best change since S1.

[thorny lynx]

GREAT move on nerfing the CL-40. It was NEEDED.... but you know what we did not NEED? A dumb mode with extra health for plugging? You should have just put the team wipe penalty back in? Why do you keep messing things up... Embark, king of 2 steps forward, 1 step back.
@wind meteor sit back down. Get your capri sun and go uninstall
@wind meteor It is spelled "tough". After I finish Emerald WT and all the big strong players settle the numbers, I WILL also play ranked. Why fight the first 2 weeks when every sweat is grinding, no anti-cheat works and the game is unbalanced. Not understanding the game is pathetic little guy. Uninstall

[wind meteor]

chill out, it's not even a ranked mode. you play, you have fun. you win you advance. you don't win, nothing happens. just enjoy some limited time rules.

@thorny lynx go play ranked like the tuff strong player you trying to look like, telling people to uninstall. pathetic.

[sleek coral]

Today was the day dagger was supposed to be fun again😔

[viscid sapphire]

How about we stop having community based events that involve a set number of kills without a TDM mode.

[simple hull]

Wait.. they didn't nerf akimbo .50?! You can mag dump into them as a light and they turn around and kill you in 3 body shots

[teal venture]

Let me break it down for you:
CL40

Decreased damage from 117 to 100 doesnt change the time to kill against any class, (NO CHANGE on direct hits*edited)

added 5 rounds instead of 4 (BUFF) can now deal damage past aps limit

changed self damage to 1.6 from .75 BUUUUT they added damage drop off to 90% near the edge of the area of effect and 0 on the edge which now means they can take almost no damage from 3 meters+ from you

At your 0 meters is 6 bars and 60% of the next bar
Self damage at 1 meters is 4 bar and 95% of the next bar
Self damage at 2 meters is 4 bars
Self damage at 3 meters is 1 bar and 60% of the next bar
Self damage at 3 1/2 'ish meters is 0 damage

[languid flint]

-Wakes up
-Still no S3 rewards
-Goes back to bed

[upper citrus]

I’m not sure you did the math on this correctly

[low ingot]

Compare it to the self damage multiplier and it's a very ugly change. It makes the real problems worse, and the real utility of the weapon weaker.

TTK will always be altered because it's chiefly an AoE weapon

[worn horizon]

it changes ttk when playing a real game for sure, lights are more often 3 hits insead of 2 hits

[jolly tendon]

In Las vegas are invincible Walls and you cann fall through Walls pretty bad

[carmine token]

@thorny lynx The new WT mode is a basic experiment to see whether the many suggestions about changing HP values here are worthwhile.
The three classes are supposed to be roughly balanced. As such, giving them all a blanket HP increase should benefit the Light the most. The Light gets a 1.66x HP multiplier, versus a Medium at 1.4x and Heavy at 1.28x. If this doesn't help Lights survive longer, then this proves that the HP count is not an issue and should never be touched, letting devs focus on rebalancing the weapons and specializations instead of listening to the numerous dumb suggestions of "give Light 200 hp lol".

@simple hull If you "mag-dumped" into a Heavy, he's dead twice over. You can destroy a Mesh Shield with one magazine worth of shots most times, let alone a regular Heavy.

[gleaming tide]

Egg throwing knife

[rapid stream]

Nerfing v9s before pike is wild 💀

[smoky gust]

Only disable on item swap would mean i have to swap an item every time i want to prevent being revved between 3 enemies

Id rather have it be at the press of a button

We currently have a "request revive" feature which doesnt end up doing anything
Id rather have it be used to lock revives

[thorny parcel]

Just got through hurricane Milton in Florida. Went right over me.

Now I want a hurricane game show event as commemoration. When active, all roofs on all buildings get ripped off. Strong vision obscuring rain starts pouring.
If players stand outside, they get pushed around by wind. The ground floor of the entire map gets flooded and the water acts the same as Kyoto and slows movement down.

I hope all The Finals player and their families made it through the hurricane safely. Hope this suggestion was not offensive, I just thought of the idea while watching the storm start blowing hard in my area.

[valid cradle]

Still no charge and slam nerf while still not reverting mesh shield and not touching model is FUCKING WILD… you simultaneously also took the last good light gun and fucked with it. You guys are actually insane. I can’t even believe it LMAO

[amber kindle]

can we have an option to remove anti-aliasing? hate the blur. this game is so beautiful and you coat it in vasoline

[scenic robin]

Sometimes I question half of y’all😭 they have stated in the past world tour is made in ways to test waters for ranked. They are adding new ideas too see how the community views it and plays around it. To make a better playing experience. What games do you know update the way they do? Listen to there community the way they do? Or sit there and take responsibility if they mess up? None but embark. They at least do something to the things we complain about and can’t please every single person. wt is a test for ranked if you think it’s going to always stay the same then you have the wrong idea of world tour. Also with the buff to health everyone use to always complain light needs more health that is there way of not being unfair to people but still allowing people to see if the light or other classes would need more buffed health so people would stop complaining of how low light class health is or others and see maybe it would be over powered or maybe it’s just right. Again it’s a test. 😭😭😭

[uneven dagger]

Lights when they have to hit headshots

[sterile yew]

you crazy man, yeah charge does need a nerf but u need to play other classes

[dense ocean]

day 29 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[winter sparrow]

this! there are way too many cheaters, and it's been like this since S2

[novel crown]

Just saw the CL 40 got nerfed is it balanced now or still annoying? can´t see the exact stats right now

[true harness]

I would be more excited for this "Primetime Buff" event if the game didn't already tilt things in favor of the team actively cashing out. Now it's going to be overkill, where they get that buff and ALSO respawn faster. Another reason why the Defender Bonus needs to go away. You can't even have crazy events like this because it's now tilting things in favor of the defending team TWICE.

[brittle obsidian]

Don't worry it's back to being unusable outside of quick cash and bullying lights

[lime fable]

Just play a game of powershift, i was killed exclusively by cl40 rpg flamethrower akimbo pistol or sniper, what a time to be alive!!!

[quaint forge]

Can you guys make placing barricades more easier and adaptive to the enviro around it? Like if you decide to put the barricade by a choke point it will be shorter in width so it can fit it different spaces

[upbeat tree]

LH1, V9s, and both shotguns are quite good

[lime quest]

Gun Sight Halo color change when? :3

[mortal notch]

Lh1 is meh v9s Is dog now matter is dog and the sh1900 is only made viable by like 1 guy

[kind heart]

Remove the primetime buff thanks

[mystic pawn]

Thank you embark for the CL40 nerf yall did an amazing job!

[twilit sand]

stop putting me on chinese servers when my preference is set to europe thank you

[upper citrus]

This is easily the worst balance patch in a long time and it’s not even close.

Cl-40 nerf is whatever. It’s over nerfed and useless now but who really cares.

Mesh shield is still dogshit and always will be as long as it has a cooldown. This game is fast paced, having your primary defensive utility be incredibly slow isn’t going to do anything. Just let people juggle shields again.

Pike is still the best weapon in the game

Model 1887 untouched so heal beam medium is still allowed to have no downsides and not be weak to cqc

V9S nerf is fucking ridiculous. Light was already terrible and instead of adding an accessibility feature to make all semi auto weapons able to be fired at full capacity by holding down the trigger, you just nerf the gun.

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

[untold haven]

pls listen to this man 🥹

[valid cradle]

I’m talking about it the v9s. My buddy mained the xp then had to switch to the v9 cause the xp is dogshit now… just sucks im losing people to this game after them nerfing things that didn’t need to be touched. I just don’t understand. I’m saying this as a #1 light hater btw but they also fucked with mesh shield so now I have to play medium… just sucks man

[elder folio]

Oh my fucking God can you guys do one thing positive for once instead of being a constant negative choir? like shut the hell up; they nerfed one weapon that was an issue only like a week after people found it was over powered and are working on another one that is overpowered (would've nerfed it more, I'm sure, but they get constant yapping about wanting a change in the meta, so they had to make the new shit good) and I'm getting really fucking tired of people saying nothing but need this, nerf that instead if actually giving good creative feedback

Also the model isn't even all that op just hit your damn shots 😭

Another bit of yap that I'll prolly make it's own message later, buff the 93r please 🥺 That shit is so ass. It has the same DMG as the famas, a weapon with longer range, more ammo, and a better fire rate. Why? I know you say stuff about it being op if it kills in 2 bursts, but I don't think it would be. Maybe for the top levels of gameplay, but not for the average player. There's no reason it should have a lower ttk than most of the medium and heavy weapons (on the same class) like please. Constant buffs to the handling isn't gonna help, it needs a fundamental rework.

[neon kettle]

V92 feels stronger now imho, I main v9s when I play light btw

[civic orchid]

These s2 rewards are nice but I already had them, but where are the s3 ones?

[vocal bloom]

💯

[peak wagon]

Love that one

[alpine pebble]

Nerf more the cl-40

[terse lark]

the change only dropped the v9s's dps by 20. I kinda like the rmp change tbh

[long arrow]

+1 😂

[brittle obsidian]

You VILL play ze medium, you VILL use ze burst damage veapons, and you VILL be happy.

[visual spruce]

absolutely thats what i was thinking bro. u r ryt. model is really fine these babies just cant play well thats y they r just only asking for nerfs for other classes (idk y but most of the light players r playing like a stupid with their movements and thats y their win rate also low)

[carmine token]

Honestly, I can only feel so bad after my Heavy buddy's playstyle - Sledge, RPG, Mesh, Dome - all got nerfed multiple times over, with only the Motion sensor getting improved. I had to give up on Dual Swords ever being made useful and switch back to the AK, which then got nerfed alongside the multiple nerfs to the Heal Beam and Mines, with the only gadget in my arsenal that got buffed being the Goo Grenade (and a mini fix to Ziplines, thanks I guess).
I lost a buddy to the nerfs too. At this point, I think a lot people here have, but where Lights can complain about it, anyone else is spammed with cardboard cardboard git gud git gud. Which fair enough if you feel that way, but I doubt they'll be getting gud if they quit the fucking game, not when there's a new Steam Chart-topping game coming out nearly every month to distract away from this game.

[proper chasm]

CL40 and pike nerf, great stuff, Though I think upping self damage to 1.6 instead of 0.9 or 1 is a bit of an over correction

[abstract rapids]

as one of the 10 dagger players in this game, please make the wind up shorter and make it so it holds even after a vault, cause when buildings are falling and stuff you vault automatically and then you're cooked if someone's there.

[stable spear]

Not really. RPG does 1.5 or sum like that. Punishes them for playing too close

[spark shard]

Day 9/100

Change matchmaking for solo players. (ranked)

I'm pleased with all the changes this season, thank you!

However, the matchmaking has been broken since Season 2. In Season 3, I hardly played ranked because it was TA, which I detest. I thought you were improving matchmaking for Season 4, but the issue continues.

My matchups make no sense, neither in rank nor in dedication, which is clear when I compare my kills and revives with my teammates. Meanwhile, the other teams have players who should be matched with me, but I'm facing them instead.

I’m speaking as a solo player. When can we expect improvements in matchmaking for solo players? It's frustrating we've been stuck like this since Season 2.

Note 1: I've had teammates say in chat they were playing ranked for "fun," as if it’s quick play. This is a bad joke.

Note 2: I don’t mind waiting longer to find a game if it improves the experience. I’d prefer waiting more than 2 minutes than 10 seconds for a team with zero skill.

Note 3: Don’t use the excuse of not changing matchmaking mid-season when you make buffs and nerfs to weapons, gadgets, etc. These also affect gameplay during the season. You’ve had enough time to address it.

Use other game modes for testing.

After 4 seasons, it’s clear you don’t fully understand the impact of the changes you make regarding buffs, nerfs, or introducing new items.

Please, before changing anything and making us testers, use non-competitive modes for balancing tests.

Utilize World Tour, Quick Play... for your balancing tests and new items.

[vestal igloo]

Fix Kyoto PERFORMANCE on Xbox thanks.

[autumn musk]

the finals switch edition

[sand hazel]

this is honestly a good take. everyones response to people being frustrated is just YOUR BAD GET GUD STOP CRYING. this helps nothing and doesn't quiet people just makes them quit the game. this game doesnt have enough of a dedicated fan base yet to be able to do so and has be steadily shrinking for a while. I am one of those players who has had so many play styles nerfed and its annoying. I'm tired of the constant trend of nerfing one meta just to make a new one. if you say that then you get a decent amount of people that just get louder to silence you

[raven cairn]

@fickle linden @pearl kiln sorry for posting on media chat…but this issues are really annoying , i posted that KIOTO its performing bad on the microsoft store too i think its because of the map its to big and have to much detail on it, but its rare because on the season 3 when KIOTO came out it was performing good but now its so laggy that i cant play, what about SOUTH AMERICAN PLAYERS we cant find competitive or ranked, only casual matches… we have to reach ranks on US server so laggy

[upbeat urchin]

Yes please tell us you re aware of the bad performance of Kyoto on xbox series S and there's a fix cooking

[mortal notch]

It’s constructive criticism this game has alot of problems that’s why we are always criticising changes

[raw aspen]

Hi, I dont like the new dagger:

I cant really kill enemies with the backstab unless I have some movement ability equipped when they just walk forward so I can not be a sneaky asassin anymore playing mindgames with the invisibility & stuff unless there is a big fight going on where they are more focused on killing my team instead of me 😢 .

The charge up animation feels unintuitive & too long in my opinion. It is nice that I can move & keep it charged up but unless I start sliding I can't catch up to enemies during the charge. I frequently miss the window for the backstab in the heat of the moment & just let go. I always considered it an off meta weapon which you could just have fun for some rounds, making your enemies paranoid but as it is now it is just frustrating to use.
It feel like I can only have a chance at correctly using it when If I use the Dash & try to attack frontally but for that I already have the sword.

I believe that just by lowering the time required for the backstab would suffice. Furthermore I suggest a clear indicator in the aniation when I can release my backstab with something like some snappy arm movement to a different position.
And finally as an alternative to the current mecanic I could imagine it being changed to a similar one as currently with the bow, increasing its backstab dmg with the duration of the charge where the dmg increases the longer I press.

[upper citrus]

Lol are you seriously asking why people aren’t giving positive feedback on a bad update? Oh I guess the team color change was nice!! Please keep adding more QoL while you make the game worse! Embark isn’t run by 12 year olds they don’t need fake positive feedback in an area where they clearly fucked up. I’m also usually very positive about embark, so I don’t really understand why this is a reply to me.

Also, model IS op mostly in high elo. Comp players have been asking for model nerfs for nearly 4 months. It fundamentally breaks the game when played in a well coordinated team.

[wind moat]

still only cl40s in ranked! do a proper nerf not adding more damage per mag

[untold locust]

you dont play the finals much do you?

[thorn kelp]

What's bothering me the most with this community is the common bitching that gets thrown around on a dev team of about 100 members. For fucks sake they only have 2 damn animators 😭

I'm throughly enjoying the game regardless of the changes they make and everyone should too

Let's all remember that this is a physics based sandbox shooter after all and most of the complaints here don't want to exploit the opportunities that are given to us

[nocturne thicket]

nice primetime buff , we need more positive feed back and rewards when players do positive actions in the game . please do something similar in quick cash PLZ

[naive fulcrum]

CL40 changes are alright but didn't need an extra bullet in the chamber

Pike nerf doesn't really solve anything, I think the damage is mostly fine, perhaps adding bullet travel or bullet drop to the gun would be enough to mellow it out while keeping it a good option at close and mid ranges

In addition the sniper bullet drop is a bit wonky, I feel it should be a bit more linear gradient rather than a switch toggling after a certain distance

Bow body shot could be increased to have a max damage of 125 instead of 120, this doesn't effect light and heavy TTK but makes it good to deal with defib chain mediums, and mediums in general honestly, it evens the playing field against a pike or ak laser

The V9S changes are nice, I personally like the lower RPM and feel it only really changes the close range mag dumping of the weapon while feeling relatively better in every other situation

Mesh shield changes are appreciated and are good where they are, it helps a lot for sitting on point and playing with your team over how it was before, but no longer as punishing if you accidentally fat finger your mesh shield button

Also please allow dagger backstab to be tapped and play the charge up on its own like it did before in addition to holding it, and add a better indicator for when it's actually charged

Also add smoke to every class 100%

Overall the update is a bit underwhelming for two weeks of wait but it's a step in the right direction, I look forward to next week

[hearty coyote]

Dude, enough with the nerfs and buffs. The game was playing just fine. People were having fun playing with New weapons. If you constantly rebalance and change things with every other patch, it’s frustrating for those who have been having fun playing with the new weapons or finding ways of countering those new weapons with their old favorites.
I’ll admit the CL was overpowered but I would have dealt with it just to prevent the devs from rebalancing the weapons every other week.

[uneven dagger]

cl40 feels pretty good rn, pike also feels better, definitely on par with lh1 now that it doesnt 3 tap mediums, lights probably feel that the change doesnt do much for them because their health pool is so low as usual, cant have a medium dmr 3 shot headshot a light

"YOURE RUINING YOUR GAME EMBARK DO WHAT I WANT ITS MY GAME NOT YOURS"

[undone swallow]

this might be the worst take thats ever been sent in this channel lol.

the meta is STILL triple medium. how is that "just fine"?

[civic orchid]

where is the reward for wiping a team? Why does the team that receives the wipe no longer suffer a loss of money? Now it's becoming the children's way to fight, it doesn't make sense anymore, you're waiting for someone to bring a vault to steal it and place it, what a mess you're doing, you're truly the ruin of this game, just bad ideas, with every patch you create more bugs than good things. , you are not able to create balanced weapons or balance the classes. One year after the release of this game I can say that you have not been able to put it at the level of real fps, there is no balance in anything only broken weapons unbalanced classes, and you who don't know where to nerf and buff, who ruin the beauty of the modes, in WT the beauty was also in the strategy of doing wipes on teams because this encouraged you to fight, you've taken this away from me too. Now I think that this game just needs to be uninstalled.

[thorn gulch]

Play ranked if you want wipe rewards

[potent solar]

these people don't play ranked.. haven't faced real competition yet

[upbeat tree]

v9s is still very good, xp and mesh shield got done dirty tho. I dont think Light is bad... mediums are too good rn

[coral forum]

THANK YOU EMBARK THANK YOU EMBARKTHANK YOU EMBARKTHANK YOU EMBARKTHANK YOU EMBARKTHANK YOU EMBARKTHANK YOU EMBARKTHANK YOU EMBARKTHANK YOU EMBARKTHANK YOU EMBARKTHANK YOU EMBARKTHANK YOU EMBARK

[junior crater]

That new Primetime Buff may be alright for knockout rounds, but in the final round it completely tips the balance of the match and becomes an unfair advantage.

[raven cairn]

yeah its like the video that its above us that @vestal igloo post, bad
performance on XBOX (KIOTO) that you have to quit the match and re-join if its ranked hopefully that doesnt happen again, we have like 5 fps when that happens …. unplayable

other thing me and my crew are SOUTHAMERICA players, we can matchmake on casual 👌🏼 but WE CANT FIND RANKED/competitive, we have to switch to US server sadly and rank there 😮‍💨🫠, its good because at least we can switch server to play… but why we cant play ranked on south america?

and it would be nice an option that ables you to deactivate some HUD elements that you dont want to show, for more inmersive expierence it would be amazing

Game balancing i think its perfect for this season considering im playing since season 1 good job on that nerfs and cashout rewards changes

i love this game and i hope you guys can do the best! keep it up 🥰❤️🔥

[magic widget]

Personally I think this is a great patch! It fixes a lot of issues going on currently in the game, I just hope the primetime buff inst too strong with the defender bonus. Also, the v9s changes might make it more viable to people like me that can’t hit many headshots due to the spamming limiting my aim, so I especially like that one (hopefully the ttk stays around the same). Honestly, very few changes are still needed (mgl, slight model damage nerf that prevents 1v2 unfairness more than the ttk, spear swing buff, bow max charge time reduction to help it compete with other ranged weapons). Even then, the current state is still really good, and Im glad this game is doing well to reflect this!

[steel forge]

thought they'd be cooking with this Patch, but not noticing any difference in dmg out- and input, V9S is still too strong, hence gets abused by almost anyone lol, as well as the MP, also the Stunchange so you can see from which direction you've been shot is just invisible?, overall kind of underwhelming update

[spice crescent]

The Model continuing to dodge nerfs, goodness. It's oppressive when used by a good player.

[upbeat urchin]

I think embark should make a channel with polls asking : do you find weapon x balanced, yes or no, and do it for every weapons / equipment(no comments allowed in that channel, only polls)

[mossy cape]

pike shouldnt do more than 49 dmg per shot it still kills just as fast after the placebo nerf

[graceful snow]

maybe move the defib to specializations and mark it rez with full hp again

[vestal igloo]

Fix Kyoto PERFORMANCE on Xbox.

[worn horizon]

Ppl are testing how the change performs and might drop it after few days

[obtuse ravine]

very cool to still just not get s3 rewards. " It'll come in 4.2" and then y'all say " nah, we still pretending to do paperwork before we can". Just give people their rewards.

[untold locust]

Y'all spend entire seasons fixing what you fucked up at the beginning of it.

It's obvious you can't do basic debugging because there are blatant bugs y'all have known about for 2 seasons and still haven't fixed.

Instead of "developing", you snap together a bunch of blueprints in Unreal Engine and have procedural toolsets like Houdini do your creative work so that you can bust out content as fast as possible(for cashflow) without properly debugging or going through the quality checks.

Sitting around in discord chats talking about "i like this change" instead of playing your game and seeing how those changes fit.

I see the way this studio is heading after less than a year.

I'm probably going back to indie games with developers that enjoy their content; not devs who got a bit of cash flow and are trying desperately to keep it coming.

[upper citrus]

yeah this makes sense. they're definitely just not giving rewards because they feel like it. amazing critical thinking skills

[hasty oriole]

FOR THE LOVE OF OSPUZE PLEASE FIX LIGHT.This is coming from a soloQ M who is tired of having light teammates who bring down the team!

[inner axle]

maybe, but just maybe fix your matchmaking

[obtuse wedge]

“Dev Note: We’re still keen to avoid Mesh Shield ‘juggling’ in combat as that is not an intended playstyle for this Specialization, …”

Really? Not an intended play style that has been used for more than a year??🤡 why not just delete Mesh? U can just say: ah! we deleted this specialization because it’s not an intended specialization, no idea why it’s in the game, and we just realize it so now it’s gone

[drifting acorn]

Ariad’s glitched face effect still doesn’t work when paired with the Spotlight Stealer mask with this update, please fix!!!

[hearty coyote]

I don’t give a s/&t about the meta. I want them to stop rebalancing every time they release an update. It seems it happens way too often. Balance weapons before you release them. Constantly buffing and nerfing things to interrupt meta trends is dumb and frustrating for players. This is not specific to this patch. It’s a comment on how often they rebalance weapons in this game.
Im surprised they didn’t nerf Deagles but I know the nerf is coming in the next patch. It’s just par for the course with this game. If a gun becomes popular, they just nerf it into the ground.
If we always need everything to be balanced and rebalanced, they might as well only have one gun option. The CL nerf was needed, but only because they buffed it! Wtf is that?!?
Stop trolling other peoples feedback and give some of your own. You picked one phrase (just fine) out of a paragraph and acted like that was the point of my post.
Here is the thing about Metas. There will always be one. What do you think the meta should be this season? 🤔

[kindred crypt]

This

[coral forum]

"V9S
Decreased fire rate from 430 RPM to 360 RPM"

BREAKDOWN:

Original V9S DPS: 265
Fire Rate: 430 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 37

Updated V9S DPS: 240
Fire Rate: 360 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 40

DPS Reduction = 265 - 240 = 25
The overall DPS reduction for the V9S pistol is 25.

The V9 change is too much. I think the RPM could be reduced to 400 instead of 360. It just feels too slow at 360. The damage increase doesn't do enough to compensate for a 70 RPM decrease. People using scroll to shoot are few and far between. But thank you very much for listening to the feedback and adjusting the Pike and CL-40. Much appreciated.

To decrease the RPM while maintaining a similar DPS, we can lower the RPM and increase the damage per shot proportionally.
For instance, let's consider a new configuration:
New V9S Configuration:
RPM: 400 (reduced by 30)
Damage per shot: 40 (increased by 3)
DPS: 400 * 40 / 60 = ≈ 266.67 (similar to the original DPS)
As you can see, reducing the RPM while slightly increasing the damage per shot results in a similar DPS to the original. You can adjust the numbers accordingly to find the desired balance between RPM and damage per shot to maintain or improve DPS, but remember that this should align with the game's overall balance and desired weapon characteristics.

[hearty bough]

I find that light CAN be incredibly helpful so long as the class is played correctly, which very few light players do (they’re usually too aggressive / just kill hunting).

I’ve had a few light teammates who were a massive help from a tactical standpoint in that they would deal some poke damage but otherwise play passive enough so as to almost never die (bc of movement skills), wait for opportunities to clean up weakened enemies, and overall function as our “lifeline” where due to good movement and patience would always end up last alive and be able to grab our totems and dash/grapple to safety. Basically playing “medic light” and preventing team wipes with good movement and decision making

[brittle obsidian]

why is glitch barrel reshape random? was guaranteed red barrels really that strong?

[dire scaffold]

stun gun should set players aim speed to a low setting instead of just reducing it by a set amount. Players who play with higher sensitivity can just turn through it no problem, but for us casuals on lower speeds we are practically frozen in place. It can make it wildly uneffective when lower teams are paired against higher skilled teams.

[rapid stream]

WHAT?

[sharp gust]

pike 556 were still need for nerf .like in powershift the can shoot you faraway with no projectile fall and even hard to anti them(glitch mine to your skill with turret and use pacemaker revive each other and even use jump pad to escape)it`s too hard to a light to kill them

[crystal umbra]

I much prefer them drop the new weapons in an overpowered state and have them nerfed over time.

It's better than giving us 3 new potato's and hoping to buff them afterwards.

This method is several times better. The perception of the Pike is now still better. Even though it is getting a needed nerf, it holds a positive sentiment

[warm compass]

remove cooldown mesh shield

[hard scarab]

Aye Embark I understand for the ruby rewards you want to dot your i's and cross your T's but I dont understand why emerald weapons need the same treatment they are persistent rewards that anyone could have earned, just doesn't make sense to have locked people away from there emerald skins since the start of the season when ruby ak is realistically the only thing holding up rewards

[valid cradle]

REVERT MESH SHIELD YOUVE REMOVED IT FROM THE GAME IN A RANGED (Pike) META COOL COOL COOL…..

[keen lily]

I don't want to see challenges on the scoreboard, I don't care about them, why force it?

[uneven dagger]

I LIKE USING CAPS LOCK TOO IT MAKES ME SOUND BIG AND STRONG

[digital shoal]

As heavy that was already disappointed with the nerf to the RPG in patch 4.0.0 (reduced to 100 dmg), I strongly disagree with the state of the CL-40. In a sense, the MED class now has a 5x RPG (100 dmg each), without a cool down, just a reload. Granted I realize it doesn't do the environmental damage but the changes to these two weapons seems contradictory to the intent behind the nerfs/buffs. Give my HVY her RPG back to pre 4.0.0 state, reduce damage by CL-40 even further.

[jagged cedar]

Data reshaper nerfed before model. Only embark lol

@digital shoal cl40 should not be compared to rpg when rpg is a gadget and cl40 is a primary

[swift totem]

I’m glad the CL-40 was nerfed, and I like the extra round. But why did the self-damage multiplier have to go from 0.75x to 1.6x??? That means I can kill myself in with two rounds, which is ridiculous. That makes close range battles impossible, so the weapon is basically useless now

[obtuse ravine]

There is no " because they feel like it" involved. Critical thinking skills would be if they felt leaderboard scores were suspicious, they should've spent the last 2 weeks of season 3 checking the scores. They have several hundred employees, they could've spent time before s4 dropped, verifying top placements, rather than punish players who EARNED their rewards. Saying it's going to come in 4.2 and then still just adding more delays sounds more like mismanagement, and lack of critical thinking.

[river plover]

Its not enough I want it DEAD, I hate playing against it, explosives should not be used as shotguns at ALL. Increase the self damage multiplier to 5 MILLION

[soft wedge]

Put back the old dagger

[violet elbow]

so since this update data reshaper barrel rotation is random now, there is no consistency to it anymore, can this please be fixed to a set rotation again like it was before so this gadget is reliable again ( <@&1012034066876473384> would love if this was brought up to the team because it kind of ruins a big reason to use the gadget)

[torpid sky]

stop asking for such a stupid thing, the current dagger is way better than the old one it just need more adjustments like remove the penalty on sprinting and make it charge faster and it'll be perfect

[dense willow]

I think there should be at least an option to tap backstab while keeping the hold
I also agree that the penalty on sprinting should be removed completely

[restive berry]

DPS isn't a very relevant stat imo. People are crying out for a Model 18 nerf, but it's DPS is lower than AKM, FCAR, Pike, Famas, even the revolver. DPS is not the most relevant stat when it comes to TTK.

[celest sable]

ive been using the v9s since beta without using the supossed exploit, they made the gun feel terrible to use

[thorn kelp]

Forgot to add when you hit straight headshots

[compact heron]

it wasn’t meant for juggling it’s still strong if used correctly without juggling smh

[untold locust]

something very sus about the model avoiding nerfs; never seen anything like that when so many people know it's broke

[vestal igloo]

Fix Kyoto PERFORMANCE on Xbox.

[dense wadi]

Very happy with the pike nerf wasn't ran to the ground as it's still very much viable but it doesn't feel like the best gun in literally every scenario, would like to see some changes to either the fcar or AKM to differentiate them more, since the sight addition to the AK they play very similar and there is no clear use case for either over the other

[vernal swallow]

I know you guys didn’t forget about private matches there was a change last patch, so please just let me choose who’s on what team what’s the point of letting 2 people in a private match if they r on the same team

@summer elk NOT THE SKIDADDLE HEAVIES

[summer elk]

NOT THE SKIDADDLE HEAVIES!!! NOOO

[upper citrus]

they have already stated this isnt why rewards arent given out yet. its pixels on a screen. who cares

[molten trail]

Pike nerf did literally nothing but u nerf the V9s LOOOOOL 😂

[cold aurora]

I agree. I would like to see this change to private matches as well🙏

[molten mango]

Game is great rn, though i still think the defib have no right to have such a fast revive,also they should be interceptible. (edited: Today at 20:15)
Game is great rn, though i still think the defib has no right to have such a fast revive,also they should be interceptible.

[west trellis]

Agreed. I miss dagger. I don't think they realize that fundamentally changing how a weapon works, you might as well just remove it from the perspective of someone who mained that weapon for hundreds of hours

[novel mountain]

Hear me out fellas, i've always thought that the healing beam is kinda boring and always a must pick with every team comp, without beam, you're pretty much fighting with less over all Potential HP than the enemy team. This means stacking mediums will always be a must pick because a medium will be able to absorb more long term damage than any other class.

So, I think a good rework for the medi gun would be to make it chargable through damage.

A good game to reference this off of would be Team Fortress 2, soldier has the buff banner which grants different types of buffs but you have to achieve a certain amount of overall damage to give use that buff.

Lets say the medium class has the medi gun empty on respawn, he would have to do maybe around 200 overall damage to fully charge the medi gun, which then he can use a burst healing move on someone close by, if that person gets damaged while the healing is in effect, the healing gets cancelled and the charge lost.

This would make fighting against 3 stack mediums a lot more bearable because now all 3 mediums are gonna have to do a constant amount of damage out put to achieve their healing charge. Also this gives support mediums more of an aggressive playstyle so they don't fall asleep at their PCs while holding down a healing beam for the entire match.

idk fellas, what do YOU think about this

[fierce valve]

Vegas Powershift would be goated

[solid mica]

What could possibly be causing you to not give us the ranked rewards. It’s been almost 3 weeks since the season started. Its stupid it’s taken this long

[quick coyote]

Nerf the model

Please give medium defib a cooldown when they get defibbed to avoid whole teams coming back from the dead in 1 second

LET US WEAR WATCHES WITH DUSKVANE JACKET / MULTIGLOVES

[elfin dock]

How do humans mate

[hexed grove]

You’re not supposed to be using it dead-on. It’s a god damn grenade launcher. Similar to how you shouldn’t be using a shotgun to snipe across the map, they have specialized uses.

I’ve witnessed CL users shoot me from an inch away and I die but they don’t. But then when I try with the RPG, I DIE and they don’t.

They’re mid-long range tools, not close-long. Learn that there are both pros and cons to the tool you choose.

[daring fossil]

yay Cl40 nerf, now everyone is going to go back to the untouched model that's been OP since season 3. still no fixes to the multiple issues to vegas, and no improvements to the performance issues caused by 3.14. Guess I'll try again next week.

@autumn warren I main the double-barrel, which ACTUALLY requires skill to do full damage AND requires you to be point blank vs the model that can 2 shot a light from 30m away

[vocal cave]

killcam isnt basic at all because the destruction is server side, it would be a huge hassle for them to implement it and frankly it isnt needed

[earnest gust]

Anyone else doing destruction on the map but it stays the same and there are invisible walls/holes?

[fallen scroll]

I would like to give my feedback on the 4.2 update. Giving an extra 100HP buff is completely unreasonable. We all know that at the start of the season, the pro players are there. Simply playing becomes absurdly impossible. Meanwhile, giving an extra 100HP buff to heavies, for example, who are equipped with RPGs and flamethrowers, becomes terribly unpleasant and practically gives the heavies a guaranteed victory.

On the same note, I'd like to make a suggestion;
Why not make a game mode where Light players fight only Light players, the same principle for mediums and so on.

[pallid wigeon]

I still don't have the ranked skins from S3

[autumn warren]

The model has never been overpowered. It’s a skill weapon that punishes you heavily for every missed shot. I’d like to see you try to do well with it

[tepid violet]

W Changes

[mortal notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1042886704996028416/1288121057856852030/caption.gif

[mighty cedar]

make cl40 great again. Literal skill issue if you cant fight it

[raven cairn]

so rainbow six that game was god when it came out but on year 3 it came down

[hushed sand]

CL-40 is useless now because the casuals couldn't figure out the most basic counterplay. Stop catering to the worst players in this game.

[digital shoal]

Just finished watching a Balise stream with the Primetime Buff in a final round. This seems ridiculously overpowered. I understand you are trying to further incentivize making "the plug" but the it seems like a very difficult challenge to overcome for the offensive team. This is not too different from the Defender bonus respawn cool down you implemented before. Does it belong in the final round? It may even be too much HP in knockout rounds as well. Please watch the metrics closely on this.

[coral forum]

I don't disagree with you. However the patch notes specifically say that the change to this pistol was not aimed at reducing its damage overall. It was mostly aimed at preventing a key bind exploit. The change reduced the damage of the weapon by too much that's why I'm recommending the RPMs to be changed to 400 instead of 360. My breakdown of DPS reflects their intended change.

[neon kettle]

yes I used to literally break my finger trying to get max dps

[obtuse ravine]

They've quite literally stated prior they were checking and verifying the scores. literally two weeks ago. idk what kind of crack you're smoking or if you can read english, where they said they were verifying scores and such but it was delayed due to possible cheating, initially. And then we get told it's coming in 4.2 update, but they delayed it again, today. Legit critical thinking skills would entail if they thought this of the scores. to do their verifications PRIOR to s4 dropping. it's purely mismanagement. 2 weeks before s4 dropped would be them making sure everything is working, and functioning, ue; finalizing the update. they wouldn't still be adding or creating content around that time, and could have done checks around that time.

[orchid crater]

guess shotguns are new meta now

[young grove]

The meta is the same, not much changed

[smoky gust]

yes please
i found learning and applying the knowledge of its rotation engaging and fun
the randomness ruins that

please just make it a set rotation where its part somewhere

[coral turtle]

Hi new bug some can still have the 100hp bonus even though they don’t have the cashbox

[burnt notch]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[echo urchin]

Jfc. Start your own development team and show them how it’s done then.

[jagged vector]

Nurf the sword with dash

[exotic quartz]

I agree dude I had no issues countering a cl40 pre nerf. It took some practice but it wasn't hard to counter.

[tribal river]

Can we get some sort of input based matchmaking so console players can use MnK again?

[vestal igloo]

i LOVE how skill issue players r crying bc CL 40 its not the same hahaha L😹

[signal tide]

PLEASE EMBARK get rid of the timer for UNDAMAGED Mesh shields. You say you are trying to avoid juggling, but who are you trying to avoid me juggling my mesh against? My teammates??
All the enemy has to do to stop the juggle would be to shoot the mesh shield one time…

[austere heart]

FINALLY CL40 NERF, also 5 shots on cl40 sounds hella nice at the same time

[proper chasm]

Only problem I have with it now is the self-inflicted damage was massively over corrected other than that it's nice to have it not be on top of the pile, though maybe decreasing it's damage by another 2 or 3 wouldn't hurt

[reef python]

Cl-40 mains kicking air rn. They have to learn to aim 😭

[strange ermine]

Can we either make the KS-23 projectiles larger or just give it the ability to actually ADS? This thing is unreasonably punishing in close quarters. It's a rifle (classified as a carbine irl) that we're stuck hipfiring with for some reason. Why??

[torpid sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1042886704996028416/1288121057856852030/caption.gif

[west moat]

Why tf was riot shield speed nerfed, are people crying that much about being bad holy fck

[burnt horizon]

can we have a feature where we can save styles as custom outfits so we don't have to re-select every individual piece?

[copper lark]

nerf mesh, too op 👁️ 👄 👁️
buff pike too, it cant 1 shot lights

[flat solstice]

100hp plus decreased respawn time is too OP. one or the other pls.

[quick coyote]

could care less about the damage falloff of the cl40 or the less damage, but does the cl40 have to take roughly 65% of your health if you hit a foe point blank?
@daring fossil yeah, but when people go to you like a wasp to a ring camera, you shouldnt have to take 160 damage to deal 100 to an enemy

[daring fossil]

you mean you? CL40 users were the worst players in the game and they were catering to you by literally making it kill faster without having to aim, doofus. oh no my semi-automatic RPG got an extra round and requires slightly better aim now and I can't point-blank it anymore without consequence, but it's everyone elses fault!

@quick coyote I mean, it's a grenade launcher, it should at minimum do the same damage to you that it does to the enemy.

[alpine pebble]

NERF THE MODEL

[rough nebula]

Riot shield got nerfed? I didnt see that in the patch

[deep summit]

always ADS with the KS-23, there is less bloom

[lime fable]

They should remove bloom entirely and remove all aoe dmg weapons, its braindead

[harsh oyster]

Is there a update coming for the new sights. I don’t like that you have to pay. I know the season just started but I just wanted to know?

[digital shoal]

Very good and valid point that I didn't consider... primary vs gadget. Definitely makes me reconsider to some extent. However, I'm not asking them to be equal and still think the RPG should not have been nerfed.

[obtuse ravine]

I actually use unreal on the side and create for folks on fivver lol. Sure I’m not part of a major studio but I’m also not just bitching with no idea of what is involved in what they’re doing. “ start your own studio” is such a weird argument for fans that pay into a game. Ah yes, lemme go become a subsidiary of a mega corp like Nexon, that’s the only way to make my feedback and thoughts as a fan of a game that I buy into make sense. It's a very lazy counter argument that makes no sense. If I was studio head, I'd likely not be playing games much or presenting feedback here, but since I do it as a hobby/ on the side for some income, I can have concerns and thoughts on the games I play. Thanks though. I’m aware of how difficult development is and can be, but they already have systems in place and adding content to a working game/ tracking stats, is not the same as building something new from scratch. The point of the matter is, it COULD HAVE been done sooner than later.

[uneven dagger]

Cl40 is feeling good still, good changes 👍

[hazy terrace]

You all ever consider pike isnt highies dps weapon in game and you all just lack skill picking cl40?

[quick coyote]

I just want The Finals to add a Spartan Kick animation for melee and running through doors. Please and thank you ❤️.

[celest forum]

Literally. And the timer for a damaged mesh shield should only be 1 MAYBE 2 seconds.
I still won't be giving Mesh another try this patch.
It's still useless

[vestal igloo]

agree,the CL 40 mains, less crying more aiming😹no1 like CL 40 exists,only brainless people

[strange ermine]

I'd prefer no bloom. Tightening the hipfire isn't a substitute for actually ADSing when there are already ironsights on the weapon model. Why am I barred from using them??

[echo urchin]

If you have an awareness of the industry and how it works, then you should also have an awareness of the limitations of the knowledge you’re working with in this situation. You don’t know how big their different teams are. You don’t know what their workloads already looked like at the time. you don’t know what the backend of the game looks like or any of its technical limitations. You dont know of any personnel issues that might have arisen. yet, here you are stating things as though they’re fact.

Embark is aware people are excited for their rewards, they are aware that people earned their rewards, they are trying to ensure that the people who earned the rewards get the rewards and the people who didn’t don’t. They have communicated this across the entire process, which is a rarity for developers, to be so consistently communicative.

If the majority of the season had passed, and this was still happening, then I would understand anger, or whatever your respons is, but right now, all that makes sense, all that seems reasonable, is disappointment, confusion, or curiosity.

[violet matrix]

Delete cl-40 is so pathetic weapon for pathetic players

[steel jacinth]

Same mabye a glitch?

[autumn sedge]

They nerfed it a lot. Chill.

[proper chasm]

Relax. With the increased self damage now making the weapon useless if someone walks at you with a brisk pace the only people using it are the die hards like my friend who've been using it since S1

[reef python]

Why do i get some dogshit team mates. When they are no where near the same skill leves as me? Talking about ranked tournament

[sleek flame]

Lol why are you trolling Appoh

[leaden thicket]

So I'll get my emerald rewards along with the emerald rewards for this season at the start of season 5 or what?

[copper lark]

I would never i also forgot ti add, we need to nerf 93r its so broken and everyone uses it. Cl40 should do 125 dmg in an aoe 🙂

[rigid granite]

Good patch overall I think cl40 really needed it and having more shots is better than just being stronger

But please give me a revolver buff!!! I'm like the only guy using it but leaving a light at 1 hp with 2 shots is tragic please!!!!!!!!

[outer peak]

CL40 self damage so crazy

[rough herald]

and they say skill issue lmao
people really only look out for themself

@obtuse ravine
https://tenor.com/view/imostergolfra-gif-25274972

[sudden tangle]

light is very weak in comp please buff it in comp

omg it's @copper lark listen to whatever he has to say, he is the GOAT

[sonic arrow]

for the amount of effort it takes to aim the .50 akimbo, it does not reward the user with enough damage. The fact that this weapon is VERY HARD to aim, has a relatively low fire rate, and a small clip size, this weapon desperately needs more damage for it to be both fun and viable in casual or competitive play

[obtuse ravine]

I'm not angry. don't get it twisted. Concern, and anger are different things. And honestly no they don't communicate very well. At least in my opinion they don't. Again my point was that they COULD HAVE looked into what they're currently doing with verifying stats, for the duration of the season rather than only at the end of the season.. Doing so now almost implies they juust didn't check and verify at all for the previous seasons .There is no " technical limitation" for them as well btw. So long as Nexon chooses to financially back them, they technically have the infinite money glitch turned on.. There's not technical limitations for having suspicious leaderboard scores, and then noticing it extremely late into the season, right before their next one drops. We'll be approaching 1/4 ( one quarter) into the season 2 weeks from now. With the way they've phrased their update on where s3 rewards are, they can hit the button for sending them any time if they wanted to, AND the rewards can be dropped at any point of the duration of this circuit stop( 2 weeks). Their wording on it doesn't mean it's happening today, just that it is at any point in the next 2 weeks. I think half the season passing would just make it an insult to players for sure, but a quarter of the way in is still just an insult to players. I'm not here to argue about it tbh. It's not a life changing issue and isn't worth continuing on about beyond this. if you'd like to keep on about it, you can but I won't.

@rough herald don't care. nobody is forcing you to read my discussion with Mrgerbill. ignore it like a normal person.

[naive fulcrum]

It is in fact one of the easiest guns heavy has to aim, it's really really good, this is just a skissue, also try hitting headshots they have a 2x damage multiplier

Or try customizing your cross hair, since it uses that for aiming

[primal frost]

i want to have a "warn at revive" button as well as an "ask for revive" button

[cold bolt]

buff pike to 69dmg and make cl40 self dmg heal yourself and your teammates instead

[bleak fern]

nerf holtow buff izuelt

[summer elk]

YES!!! FSR2 is visually unplayable, yet is the least laggy for AMD users. Please help us!!

[jagged cedar]

Remove Kyoto from the ranked pool

[violet elbow]

V9S feels like dogshit now, thanks for a pointless change nobody asked for!

[keen lily]

I would like to opt only for challenging ranked, fuck easy where there's so much to lose, add such an option!

[jagged vector]

Yes embark you knew exactly what I wanted! I love playing against a team with pikes and deagles hahahah it’s my favourite thanks for this dumb event

[rough storm]

Thank godddddddddd for this update!!!! Now fix the model and we're as close to being balanced as it has been since season 3 🙏

[sonic wigeon]

"Dev Note: These changes have been made to prevent various methods where players could ensure they got the effective maximum fire rate from the weapon through use of specific binds, causing it to be highly effective compared to its intended baseline."

Cuz cheating idiots use anything to get an unfair advantage so its just good they changed it

[upper citrus]

or just add the option to hold down the trigger to fire semi auto guns. most competitive games allow this. it makes no sense not to

[autumn warren]

That’s just the nature of competition. Cheating is finding outside ways to break the game. This was an old CSGO trick where the fire button was tied to the scroll wheel. Though still scummy it’s just how high ranked games go. Any way to get an edge up will be used as it’s part of the game and somewhat legal

[glad ginkgo]

Devs y’all didn’t fix the issue 😂😂😂😂. It was DISTANCE not the AMOUNT of headshots… 50m away seriously??

[valid cradle]

Exactly. WTF have they been thinking with these changes like it’s actually insane.

[surreal meadow]

**EMBARK!!

DROP 5v5 CASH

AND MY WALLET IS YOURS!!! Day 34/100 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥**

[brisk garden]

^^^ real. Kyoto makes me want to alt-f4. Terribly designed map AND it runs poorly for a lot of people

[rough herald]

kyoto need to be heavily Heavily rework
as it is now its only look good while gameplay is shit

every building have a trend of being really really Closterphobic and the room next door is really really open

[odd ibex]

That’s a good explanation of what the class really means lol

Rework ideas

3 health beam plus defib it’s crazy,health beam needs to start off at a slow pace for medium and especially heavies and then heal at a normal rate.

Pike is so strange,it’s like a way better revolver,if u could add a more zoomed sight for revolver it would be perfect.
A camping medium with pike’s long range and high fire rate is crazy to deal with.
Pike is a better lh with more health as medium,bad new entry as a weapon.

Pike needs a total hip fire nerf and lower fire rate.

Data reshaper rework should be if u reshape 3 orange barrels then u get one time use of a pyro grenade or gas if u get green canister or glitch grenade if u get 3 blue barrels,your team mates can gather them,so there is teamwork!

Gravity boots for wall running?

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positions and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

[zinc scaffold]

Can defib be reworked so if you get defib'd and die, your next res has to be a manual res before you can be defib'd eg. Die once > Defib > Manual Res > Defib > Manual res would help prevent the annoying defib res spam on a single person twice

[sudden pawn]

and every building just despawns after one explosion

[obtuse ravine]

this is specifically because you could bind the primary fire buttons to mouse wheel scroll up and scroll down, and turn it into a fully automatic weapon that had no recoil. I’ve tried it out because, why not try something that might give you an edge. I don’t ever play light but doing that was a literal game changer once you’re used to firing with mouse wheel, but it made using equipment harder due to muscle memory. That’s what they’re talking about with specific binds. Definitely an exploit though and borderline cheating in the right hands. Definitely a great fix from them.

@tired bough it’s honestly wild they haven’t fixed the animation cancel. At twitch con, someone was doing it non stop and dominating, and Embark pretended to not see bro spamming heavy cancels with no reprocussion to his spam 😭

[magic wing]

The primetime buff looks amazing, regardless of how people feel about it (I personally like it) The effect is incredible

[west trellis]

Shame there was no level 9 weapon skin this season!

[dusky robin]

Custom games needs at least a team switcher… sometimes it will put 4 persons on one team lol.

[tired bough]

Daily reminder to nerf swords and fix the Animation cancel and to nerf Model

[upbeat ore]

Still no Season 3 rewards? I hope my grandchildren enjoy the Emerald skins whenever they receive them

[finite galleon]

remove winch from the game

[granite vector]

please I've been begging this would be amazing

[brittle obsidian]

model's been op since season 1, which is even more egregious

[dusty igloo]

CL-40 self damage does not fucking exist I swear, A DUDE WAS FAR UP MY ASS FIRING IT WITH ONLY 50 HEALTH, HE DID NOT TAKE DAMAGE

[plain jacinth]

Yep. I tried the scroll wheel thing last season and honestly I didn’t find it any faster than left click @violet elbow I doubt embark even bothered seeing if it’s true or not before implementing the nerf lol

[coral forum]

Patch notes:
"V9S
Decreased fire rate from 430 RPM to 360 RPM
Overall, the effectiveness of the weapon for regular players should not be massively different"

BREAKDOWN:

Original V9S DPS: 265
Fire Rate: 430 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 37

Updated V9S DPS: 240
Fire Rate: 360 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 40

DPS Reduction = 265 - 240 = 25
The overall DPS reduction for the V9S pistol is 25.

The V9 change is too much. I think the RPM could be reduced to 400 instead of 360. It just feels too slow at 360. The damage increase doesn't do enough to compensate for a 70 RPM decrease. People using scroll to shoot are few and far between. But thank you very much for listening to the feedback and adjusting the Pike and CL-40. Much appreciated.

To decrease the RPM while maintaining a similar DPS, we can lower the RPM and increase the damage per shot proportionally.
For instance, let's consider a new configuration:
New V9S Configuration:
RPM: 400 (reduced by 30)
Damage per shot: 40 (increased by 3)
DPS: 400 * 40 / 60 = ≈ 266.67 (similar to the original DPS)
As you can see, reducing the RPM while slightly increasing the damage per shot results in a similar DPS to the original. You can adjust the numbers accordingly to find the desired balance between RPM and damage per shot to maintain or improve DPS, but remember that this should align with the game's overall balance and desired weapon characteristics.

[uneven dagger]

v9s is feeling much better now at its intended ranges though perhaps a slight range dropoff buff wouldnt hurt anybody and itd promote hitting headshots

[sharp willow]

limitations of knowledge? I could go online right now and tell you who was cheating in ranked and who wasnt and give out the ranked rewards myself, its lazy development

[vestal igloo]

Fix Kyoto PERFORMANCE in Xbox.

[keen abyss]

Might wanna look at the new type of emote cancel for dash on light.where when you emote, look up and immediately dash you get way more height and distance,Its kinda broken just wanted to say something before it gets out of hand

[analog ibex]

Anyone else missing season 3 world tour rewards???

[versed cloud]

Good balancing changes overall, only gripe is with data reshaper changes. You should have had the goo barrels convert into glitch instead of poison canisters. It ruins the flow a bit for seeking out reds canisters.

[cold lotus]

they aren’t giving it out yet because most of the top 500 were cheaters

[outer peak]

I think it needed the damage nerf with the mag increase but the self damage is so ouchie

[copper canopy]

YES THEY NERFED THE CL40, LIFE IS GOOD AGAIN

[carmine token]

Serious request:
Regardless of any disagreements people here have about the direction of balancing in the game, can we please agree that "remove X" is a dumb opinion in every single instance it has ever been asked for?

Not only is it absolutely absurd to expect the devs to just wipe hours of work just for some balancing failures (or in the case of "remove Kyoto", delete hundreds of hours of work due to performance issues and poor taste), but it also leaves a playerbase already desperate for variety (note the disappointment in this season's lack of content) more desperate for more variety for the sake of questionable balancing decisions.

[potent solar]

looked more into balancing and breakpoints online and I gotta apologize, this is a lot harder than I thought as you don't have that much resolution (ie 3 shots vs 4 vs overall time needed).

for the pike have you tried increasing the fire rate and lowering the damage? idk how many more average shots you need but if you combine it with recoil it could be a bit more skillful and maybe extend the average ttk for the playerbase. idk maybe 2 more shots for light, 3-4 medium , 4-5 heavy with a slight increase in kill time.. whatever that rpm is.. this could get tricky with the feel of the weapon but .556 (similarly .223) doesn't hit that hard anyway, just moves fast

for the model idk lower fire rate, increase # pellets, and more aggressive distance dmg curve + dmg falloff for limbs, torso etc. just need to figure out a good time in seconds then get the resolution somehow

[violet elbow]

could have just added an accessibility setting to let semi auto weapons be held down for fullauto, would literally not hurt anyone and they wouldnt have to ruin perfectly balanced and good feeling guns because of it

[hushed sand]

@daring fossil it got an extra shot. It's easier to spam and caters even more to noobs now while rewarding players who were good with it less.

It's also one of the easiest things in the game to counter. If you couldn't get high ground or use your gadgets to win against CL then you just sucked.

[upper citrus]

Yeah?

[daring fossil]

melee or double-barrel users literally had zero counter to it. They still don't. I have no problem dealing with it when I play medium, but as a light main currently maining double-barrel, its awful to play against in any state

@hybrid hearth running away is not a counter lol. I dont use dash, or crutches like stun. if you NEED stun to counter cl40, that's not a skill issue

[opaque glade]

Embark PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add CNS shoes to make it a complete OUTFIT!!! I really hate how dark the Ariad outfit is.
PLEASE make the S3 engimo robe set an outfit PLEASE. THEY ARE SUCH GOOD COSMETICS I DONT WANT TO BOTHER STYLIZING THEM.

[pliant glade]

V9S i kinda get cause people were using macros, but... in all honesty just let people be able to hold it down for continuous fire, solves that problem and lowers the skill celing a little for an already underused weapon compartively speaking to others since the Open beta, i legit haven't seriously used V9s since. Pike got nerfed in the same update bruh, however i don't think they understand that while the damage was a pressing issue its the fact that the range feels better than the LITERAL SNIPER for light. Least they said they recgonize it's still prolly too op but thats also a bad thing, like, bro you know it's still gonna be used to the same degree if not more if the CL nerf actually does it's job here. Great, now i see more pikes and more models than i do now, which btw hella sad model didnt get nerfed. i love how someone can miss half their pellets and still do 80 damage, crazy work.

[warped wraith]

idk why this games ranked modes be like ah ur silver lemme put you in lobbies with emralds and diamonds like what is this ranked matchmaking

[glad ginkgo]

Nooooooooooo NOT my CL40 that can still kill lights with 2 shots and increase amount. I’m kinda bummed out about the self damage though. It should be no self damage at all honestly.

[hybrid hearth]

That comes down to a skill issue right now lol. Dashing behind them continuously while firing shots is an easy way to get the kill. Grappling upwards to get the high ground is an easy way to counter them. Pairing invis with goo grenade hiding your movements mostly is extremely effective as well. Stun gun is one of the most overpowered gadgets in the game. Stun them for essentially an easy kill. Most CL40 players don’t play smart. That means they’ll chase you rather than stick with their teams. Bait them into chasing you into your team. That brings it to a 2v3 which gives you the option to rush them and overpower them.

[restive scaffold]

THE GAME IS SO SMOOTH ON PC NOW crosses fingers
THANK YOU EMBARK - GOOD SO FAR

[zinc scaffold]

Petition to rename the game The Mediums cause this is the only thing people ever seem to play now hardly any viability with L or H

[odd ibex]

What prime time buff?

With all the buffed guns and low time to kill dagger needs ONE click backstab like before and u can hold it as well.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

[magic wing]

The one in the patch notes.

Your team gets 100 bonus HP for depositing a vault in WT

[icy falcon]

Mid ass patch

[west moat]

Anyone else dealing with challenges not completing?

[jolly sky]

Give no self damage to the mgl as well at that point.

[mortal notch]

The new/changed ui looks goofy af

[restive berry]

Wanting no self damage on the CL is wild. I’d agree with you to a certain extent in the way of having it so the shells don’t arm themselves until travelling 10m. That way you can’t damage yourself

[edgy lotus]

Frankly I think backstabs SHOULD count as headshots.
Edit: It’s the same quality and damage increase as a headshot! It’s the same VIBE

[fringe burrow]

The funny (and kinda realistic) thing would be to make the shells not arm to explode within a few meters but give them impact damage lol, or make them bounce like mgl if too close

[azure ermine]

even after the patch the games still fucked games fell off hard

[mossy fjord]

It would be great if the weapon test map was multiplayer

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

[coral forum]

Patch notes:
"V9S
Decreased fire rate from 430 RPM to 360 RPM
Overall, the effectiveness of the weapon for regular players should not be massively different"

BREAKDOWN:

Original V9S DPS: 265
Fire Rate: 430 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 37

Updated V9S DPS: 240
Fire Rate: 360 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 40

DPS Reduction = 265 - 240 = 25
The overall DPS reduction for the V9S pistol is 25.

The V9 change is too much. I think the RPM could be reduced to 400 instead of 360. It just feels too slow at 360. The damage increase doesn't do enough to compensate for a 70 RPM decrease. People using scroll to shoot are few and far between. But thank you very much for listening to the feedback and adjusting the Pike and CL-40. Much appreciated.

To decrease the RPM while maintaining a similar DPS, we can lower the RPM and increase the damage per shot proportionally.
For instance, let's consider a new configuration:
New V9S Configuration:
RPM: 400 (reduced by 30)
Damage per shot: 40 (increased by 3)
DPS: 400 * 40 / 60 = ≈ 266.67 (similar to the original DPS)
As you can see, reducing the RPM while slightly increasing the damage per shot results in a similar DPS to the original. You can adjust the numbers accordingly to find the desired balance between RPM and damage per shot to maintain or improve DPS, but remember that this should align with the game's overall balance and desired weapon characteristics.

[vale stream]

can they fix my fps

[quasi plinth]

Is this not a repost from like a few hours ago

[dire scaffold]

absolutely hate the new cash out health buff

[native flame]

The cashout health buff would only be fair in a 3 teams in 1 cashout situation, in world tour it doesnt fit the 1v1 dynamic

[glacial knot]

This health boost is great hahahaha

[obtuse ravine]

Fr again like I was stating earlier to mrgerbill. Means they could take 2 weeks to all roll out. This is something that should have been looked at and monitored thoroughly throughout the duration of s3, not only at the end. Idk why yall want to argue about it as if I didn’t mention their wording, as well as statements regarding it from 2 weeks ago. I’m done discussing the rewards. We know today ain’t the day and that’s all we really need to know. Having a list of recipients reinforces that there was bad actors, accumulating score they didn’t earn on the leaderboards. It should have been actively monitored for the duration of s3. Not just at the end of it.

I forgot which chat it was in. May have been the finals chat channel, but a couple days into the season for s3 I pointed out that the scores were mathematically impossible for the amount of the days the season had been out, and got ignored lmao.

[upper citrus]

LOL

[quick coyote]

Anybody know when there going to fix the lag in the Kyoto and Las vegas maps because I lag really bad and I hope I'm not the only one

[agile olive]

idk if anyone is having this issues but when i use grapple hook cant launch myself anymore and gets stuck pulling me into walls

[red echo]

dont nerf it pls , less than a second btw

[opaque glade]

nerf grenade that 1 damage is what actually got you killed

[glad ginkgo]

Kyoto needs a remapping it’s a very difficult terrain to traverse especially with moving platforms.
Get rid of moving platforms altogether.

Fortune Stadium needs better more solid infrastructure because that shit is fucking terrible.

Cash vault still gets stuck inside the map. Maybe offer a voting system when the vault is bugged during a game to reset the cash vault or go for most kills for the duration of the match.

Battle Royale as a game mode. Completely melee No Specializations No Defib JUST HANDS.

[warped wraith]

me when i can just move out of the way

[loud sinew]

new v9s feels awfully slow

[pliant glade]

can we PLEASE despawn mines after the person who placed them died. like 3 seconds after they die let them disapear

[distant sluice]

what was such a big issue with s3 world tour that its taking weeks to figure out the rewards?

[keen abyss]

I think you have to input sprint again after a dash

[hexed grove]

🤡

[silk shadow]

no defib changes is insane. with all the triple mediums still going to be going around, can we get a heavy nerf please

[versed cloud]

People cheat. And I am sure they got plenty of reports from players during the season about certain activities going on. They're smart to try and filter out all the boosted accounts that only were created to get emerald rewards and to be sold.

[uneven dagger]

Good v9s changes, doesn’t look so silly anymore with that fire rate and it feels good, can actually focus on hitting headshots

[hearty bough]

Only change was a damage buff, idk what other guy is saying about speed change

[dapper atlas]

IVE BEEN REPORTING AND GOT SO MANY 'ACTION TAKEN' AGAINST THEM MESSAGES.

[violet elbow]

play the finals, we have

• fat guy with unusable shields
• support class with the best guns in the game
• class cannon without the cannon part

and mfs wonder why this game doesnt get new players, its cuz the studio behind it is a bunch of crackheads

[thorny lynx]

Game is INFESTED with cheaters

[tacit patrol]

Why does riot shield never break? The thing literally Cap's shield and takes infinite damage, give it 400 health and a 15 second cooldown after it breaks.

The heavy mesh shield breaks, the barricade breaks, the dome shield breaks, the goo breaks, ect.

I'm sorry the game runs at the lowest fps of any AAA game and I can't find their feet in the dark part full of ai artifacts. Bad game design when there is literally no counterplay to a shield.

Oh yeah, and good luck getting jumped by 3 riot shield users. Just uninstall if run into a gang of them by your self, there's fundamentally, by design, nothing you can do about it

[grave agate]

They need team deathmatch

[vale jolt]

i genuinely hope whatever you use to play this game blows up

[rapid stream]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[coral forum]

"V9S
Decreased fire rate from 430 RPM to 360 RPM"

BREAKDOWN:

Original V9S DPS: 265
Fire Rate: 430 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 37

Updated V9S DPS: 240
Fire Rate: 360 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 40

DPS Reduction = 265 - 240 = 25
The overall DPS reduction for the V9S pistol is 25.

The V9 change is too much. I think the RPM could be reduced to 400 instead of 360. It just feels too slow at 360. The damage increase doesn't do enough to compensate for a 70 RPM decrease. People using scroll to shoot are few and far between. But thank you very much for listening to the feedback and adjusting the Pike and CL-40. Much appreciated.

To decrease the RPM while maintaining a similar DPS, we can lower the RPM and increase the damage per shot proportionally.
For instance, let's consider a new configuration:
New V9S Configuration:
RPM: 400 (reduced by 30)
Damage per shot: 40 (increased by 3)
DPS: 400 * 40 / 60 = ≈ 266.67 (similar to the original DPS)
As you can see, reducing the RPM while slightly increasing the damage per shot results in a similar DPS to the original. You can adjust the numbers accordingly to find the desired balance between RPM and damage per shot to maintain or improve DPS, but remember that this should align with the game's overall balance and desired weapon characteristics.

[red echo]

ok bro go move out of the way when you get knockbacked 3 times in less than a second , least obvious heavy main

@warped wraith so you never died from CnS?

[mighty cedar]

Make Cl40 like it was in season 2. Literal trash now

[lime crypt]

can i somehow remove the contracts next to the scoreboard? so annoying

[valid cradle]

AMEN

[stray rampart]

Add this skin

[unkempt echo]

i love the cl-40 nerf!

[fleet timber]

wtf with balance
I play more than 10 games and win only 1 round(not a game)
balance where weak players play with other weak players (in one team) vs strong teams
balance my team started the game with 2 members (without a third) and leaving gave me a suspension
I can't win with 2 teammates now I need to play with one man wtf
can it balance weak teams vs weak teams or split strong guys with weak guys (how team with a total kill 200 could win team with 10000 kills?)

[odd ibex]

weapon idea

💥Auto cross for heavy class and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

[slim loom]

2 UX/UI feedbacks:

• Right now when World Tour is already selected as the game mode you want to play, you have to click 2 times the play button, compared to the other mode where only 1 click is enough
• When you win World Tour or Ranked Tournaments, would be good to keep the screen of the "competitive" points won, and not something that can be missed after the rank up screen animation

[warped wraith]

actually i playe medium its not hard to just Move out of the way

[pliant glade]

you guys DID FUCKING NOTHING with that pike nerf, wtf was that suppose to do. Seriously asking how does 7 FUCKING DAMAGE changed do ANYTHING for the time to kill currently it didn't change it AT ALL. i'm GENUINELY asking the thought process on that. light, medium and heavy still takes the same amount. Heavy for example it did 348 before and now does 312, (all body shots) NOTHING HAS CHANGED, still the same amount of body shots required

[sonic spoke]

Great update! Nice work!

[mortal notch]

Fix the fucking stuttering on Xbox it’s unplayable

[strange nebula]

it takes 1 more shot to kill a heavy and damage fall off is different do to different starting starting damage numbers, yes for shooting lights and mediums it not different but shooting heavies it takes 1 extra shot

[crisp heart]

embark PLEASE add hud safe zone pls pls pls pls pls pls

[upper citrus]

This is easily the worst balance patch in a long time and it’s not even close.

Cl-40 nerf is whatever. It’s over nerfed and useless now but who really cares.

Mesh shield is still dogshit and always will be as long as it has a cooldown. This game is fast paced, having your primary defensive utility be incredibly slow isn’t going to do anything. Just let people juggle shields again.

Pike is still the best weapon in the game

Model 1887 untouched so heal beam medium is still allowed to have no downsides and not be weak to cqc

V9S nerf is fucking ridiculous. Light was already terrible and instead of adding an accessibility feature to make all semi auto weapons able to be fired at full capacity by holding down the trigger, you just nerf the gun.

[night vortex]

The damage on CL40 seems like an indirect heavy buff.

So let’s go ahead hit the goo gun with a couple nerfs. I saw a guy using it to build a bridge, heavy should not have movement like that.

Second, and stick with me on this my fellow redditors, I saw them build a goo gun cocoon around a trophy so I couldn’t defib it. So I propose that defib ignites people and gets a range buff please. Thank you.

Thirdly, I was being double heal beamed and the same goo gun guy stopped me from stealing a cashout by shooting me with a googun. This is not fair by any means. Double heal beam should make me invulnerable and immovable.

Please nerf the goo gun before this oppressive goo tech becomes prevalent. He would teabag me as he locked me down in goo and I could not move. Then they flew away in some sort of goo airship. This is not conducive to a serious game and I think he should be looked in to for cheating. Player name was GooedOnYuhMomsForehead#3535

[silk shadow]

Wait this sounds oppressive as hell. Goo gun should not be out here doing this. Defib should rule the meta and force you to build around it. Unacceptable balancing from embark. And shame on that guy for abusing

[sacred crest]

Guys can i get sum for my s1 ranked grind i hit plat 1 but didnt make diamond by a few points and got a fckin sticker for all the grind is there anything yall could do for s1 players who grinded ranked

[uneven dagger]

V9s feeling good, cl40 still feeling good, pike still feeling good, good patch though the pistol could probably do with a slight range tweak for less damage drop off

[mossy fjord]

can we make all semi auto guns full auto if you hold down the trigger. I mean does anyone actually like getting RSI spamming their trigger finger.

[dim root]

why are soloq teammates always braindead

[faint flame]

Not nerfing model is criminal

[deep sierra]

Buff fcar!!!

[keen abyss]

Coming from overwatch , shooting shield’s is not fun , so i can see why the devs didn’t want juggling,

[tropic root]

It does brake though, you just have to throw a pyro grenade at it

[river fern]

What the actual heck is "hit opponents 20 times with arena carriables or cash boxes"? I'd be okay with 5, maybe 10 if you're pushing it. If this requires direct hits and doesn't include explosions/gas, that's way too out of ordinary play.

[slim rampart]

Better nerf sniper rifle to 20m hitscan

[dark tundra]

You should get all of your teammates xp and fans if they quit mid match. Happens way too often in solo q

[rotund citrus]

ABSOLUTE, FUCKING, BULLSHIT.

[wheat torrent]

model survives another patch lol

[young hamlet]

Just wait until you learn that you can shoot AROUND the shield, at their shoulders and feet
Oh and wait, you can use EXPLOSIVES GAS or FIRE against them! And better yet, you could merely OUTRUN the melee user and they can't touch you!

[tacit patrol]

Might have to breakout the flamethrower heavy again so these melee players have something more to complain about again.

And yes, I know how to shoot around riot shield. Maybe instead of bullying me over minor details you could be an adult and realize I actually have played the game before, believe it or not. @young hamlet

But also, when you can't see the riot shield person in the foliage at night it's actually really stupid to even play the game against three of them with a hitscan gun when they jump you.

All I'm saying is that it shouldn't be an invincible shield? Which had a lot more reaction than I expected, sometimes I forget people on the internet aren't normal people

[coral forum]

V9S
Decreased fire rate from 430 RPM to 360 RPM
Increased damage from 37 to 40

Dev Note: These changes have been made to prevent various methods where players could ensure they got the effective maximum fire rate from the weapon through use of specific binds, causing it to be highly effective compared to its intended baseline. The damage increase has been applied to offset some of the ‘effective DPS’ the weapon lost with the decreased fire rate. Overall, the effectiveness of the weapon for regular players should not be massively different

Original V9S DPS: 265
Fire Rate: 430 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 37

Updated V9S DPS: 240
Fire Rate: 360 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 40

DPS Reduction = 25

If you want to reduce the fire rate while maintaining the damage the weapon does please make the RPM 400. (with 40 damage per shot)

My Preposed V9S Configuration:
RPM: 400 (reduced by 30)
Damage per shot: 40 (increased by 3)
DPS: 400 * 40 / 60 = ≈ 266.67 (similar to the original DPS)

Side note: who is asking for this??? LOL I'm in this channel at least once a day and have never seen anyone complaining about the V9S.

[brittle obsidian]

I don't really see what giving the shield health would do, other than make it terrible at the one thing it was good at: stalling out 1v1 fights. The weapon is awful, let it have its 1 niche use case.

[deft hinge]

2 small pieces of feedback:

1. make the "red dot sights" match the color of your crosshair, or allow color to be changed individually

2. MAKE EQUIPMENT WHEEL WORK ON PC 😭

[fleet timber]

this season fucking sucks

[stark pilot]

Embark See!
Whatever you change anything or not, some people in this channel still crying all the time.
You nerf anything in this game and make it boring.
Bring new thing.

[smoky gust]

please limit charge n slams turn rate during usage

that way they cant instantly delete you even if they miss the initial hit
or just miss, turn around and slam for easy damage

[feral plinth]

SERIA INCRIVEL DUBLAREM O GAME PARA PORTUGUES (BRASIL)

[wicked dirge]

who ever made this balancing at this patch should lose his job... tbh this is by fare the worst balancing patch ever in this game

[hazy yew]

FAMAS is being keybinded! With the new V9s update and people explaining the scroll wheel it now makes sense to me how the famas seems to be an automatic. Embark please look into this, been more than a few times I dont know how the famas is being fired so quickly with aim, I thought just MBK issue but now this makes so much sense to how its being fired as an auto.

[autumn warren]

Say you don’t know how to effectively strafe without saying you don’t know how to effectively strafe 😂. Bring a grenade bro it’s not rocket science

[storm inlet]

why does the hammer have 5m of extra range wtf is that bruh 😭

[ionic hound]

low key stopped playing this game after last seasons stupid ass emerald grind but i still pop in this channel to read the feedback after every patch. this has become one of my fav pass times that i hope all of you are now hip to 😭

[wide void]

This. This this this. All this.

Add full-auto options instead of balancing around semi-auto, and LET US TURN OFF TAA ALREADY thanks

[balmy girder]

Bring back the nvidia gun charm 😵‍💫🥲 I was working last time 😞

[real nest]

It's actually pretty easy if you just remember to do it

[red echo]

https://tenor.com/view/womp-womp-cat-gif-12768989307250413732

@burnt roost he wants to nerf model down to 100 dmg dont listen to him

[burnt roost]

They literally gave us what we wanted and now we're STILL COMPLAINING. This community is gonna kill this game.

[upper citrus]

bronze quick cash players wanted a cl40 nerf. nobody else cared. this update is terrible for balance

[tough lodge]

Facts

[obtuse ravine]

It doesn’t require direct hits. Have already gotten it without direct hits

@thorny lynx the self damage is now multiplied by 1.6, meaning it’s more effective at range now than up close

[river fern]

Good to know.

[thorny lynx]

Wait.... the CL-40 went from 117 to 100 BUT got an extra round
117x4 = 468
100x5= 500.... so it got BUFFED actually? whaaaaaa
@obtuse ravine For sure. But you can still Frag the heck out of a point getting indirect hits

[orchid osprey]

Can you please give a minor buff to the revolver. Like allow partial reloads or something. It's absolutely insane how many times I get defibbed and have to hit all headshots to have any chance to contributing before I die. The reload + six shots is pretty limiting for dealing with heavies or mediums.

[ruby brook]

please stop fking w light PLEASE there was no reason for the xp54 nerf and now your killing off the v9s nobodys complaining about light being strong what do you guys think we should use every other weapon besides v9s/xp54/m11 is essentially useless revert xp54 changes to season 3 and add the beta range back to v9s to give it a chance theres no reason we need 2 high dps close range weapons (m11/v9s) just dosent make sense how people complain triple med meta and we turn around and nerf light if you want people to play your game and enjoy it make the weapons enjoyable to use insted of whatever slop weve been getting

[wild pivot]

GUYS I HAVE THE NEW LEAKED V4.3 UPDATE:

• LIGHTS GET THEIR LEGS NERFED.
• ADDED WHEELCHAIRS TO LIGHTS
• ALL LIGHT WEAPONS GET NERFED AND YOU CAN ONLY USE HANDS ONLY.
• PLAYERS THAT USE LIGHTS ARE BANNED
• LIGHTS ARE REMOVED BECAUSE THEY HURT HEAVY PLAYER'S FEELINGS FOR BEING SKINNY AND NOT FAT.

[paper oak]

ong buff it , i like revolvers.
and this one needs a buff

[surreal meadow]

its almost as if its the HP of the glass cannon thats fundamentally fucked up the class ideal in low vs high elo; which is the most popular class for casuals - yet they get dumpstered and drop the game the further up they go

@nocturne shale its slower to kill anyone but it has more DPS in one clip. its a nerf -cl40 player

[rare wave]

Forgot to mention the massive self damage, .75->1.6 is A TON I am excited to try it and see but I think the self damage is almost too much maybe 1.0 or 1.25

[flint fossil]

please

[earnest ridge]

WHEN SWORD LIGHT NERF??? ONLY THING WITHOUT IT

[halcyon depot]

#GameFeedback

1. I said that mediums also need gadgets for destroying buildings...

Why don't you understand?

Lights have two gadgets that can destroy buildings instantly, and heavy has two gadgets that can destroy buildings instantly + a weapon that can destroy buildings.

Originally, mediums could only destroy buildings instantly by placing two explosive mines, and other than that, you had to steadily damage them with frag grenades or CL-40, throw red canisters that even the thrower doesn't know where they will explode, or throw orange barrels that don't fly at all and wait for them to explode.

So now we can only carry one explosive mine, and we have to wait for the cooldown to place a second one.

In reality, we can't destroy buildings quickly unless we bring a CL-40, or for other weapons, we have to bring both explosive mines and frag grenades.

It was fun to play a game where you could destroy buildings with any build, but now it's just boring.

2. Connection issues haven't been fixed much.

Even if you can connect, the synchronization problem still occurs.

There is an issue where the player is displayed as level 1 even though they are over level 60, and when that happens, the screen where you can purchase equipment also becomes strange, but this has not been fixed either.

Also, the problem of the game being paused during play and having to be restarted (which started happening in season 4) still occurs.

[silk shadow]

light players want to be victims so bad

[pliant glade]

finally, some proper balancing 🙏

[coral forum]

V9S
Decreased fire rate from 430 RPM to 360 RPM
Increased damage from 37 to 40

Dev Note: These changes have been made to prevent various methods where players could ensure they got the effective maximum fire rate from the weapon through use of specific binds, causing it to be highly effective compared to its intended baseline. The damage increase has been applied to offset some of the ‘effective DPS’ the weapon lost with the decreased fire rate. Overall, the effectiveness of the weapon for regular players should not be massively different

Original V9S DPS: 265
Fire Rate: 430 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 37

Updated V9S DPS: 240
Fire Rate: 360 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 40

DPS Reduction = 25

If you want to reduce the fire rate while maintaining the damage the weapon does please make the RPM 400. (with 40 damage per shot)

My Preposed V9S Configuration:
RPM: 400 (reduced by 30)
Damage per shot: 40 (increased by 3)
DPS: 400 * 40 / 60 = ≈ 266.67 (similar to the original DPS)

Side note: who is asking for this??? LOL I'm in this channel at least once a day and have never seen anyone complaining about the V9S.

[vernal path]

I think we need to restart the servers 🐸

[silk dew]

When I was in game and hit TAB there were two missions that I couldn't see when in the main menu on the contract manager:
-Complete one WT game.
-Deal 100,000 structural damage with barrels.(I could not get this one to progress in QC)

[tacit patrol]

Yeah nah it's cool, I agree, why give the riot shield counters if it's underperforming?

It's not like we can make a weapon more viable AND more fun to play against. That is literally impossible, nobody should ever suggest such a thing in game dev.

It's not like I was suggesting something that wouldn't affect 95% of riot shield gameplay AND also improve the game.

Why would anyone suggest allowing bad positioning to be punishable?? God forbid it.

@autumn warren bro I wish I had your IQ, life would be so much simpler

[brittle obsidian]

if damage per mag was the only thing that mattered heavy would be the best class in the game

[rustic tusk]

Nerf m11.

[warped linden]

..???

[night vortex]

If we’re being real the V9S is firing a subsonic 9mm and does almost as much damage as dual 50 cal rounds. I think you’re going to be okay. V9S should be gadget sidearm anyway like that RPG so that snipers can defend themselves and finish kills with much lower damage.

@brittle obsidian
Heavy is the best class in the game. Didn’t you see the season 4 stats?
Also, nerf goo gun please.

[slim moth]

remove health buff from final round PLEASE

[fringe schooner]

"Nerf Goo Gun" is the funniest take I've heard here

[deep sierra]

All I’m saying is buff fcar. And don’t nerf v9s because of macros just ban the player using it. Don’t nerf weapons because they’re hard for low skill players but good in high skill like fcar. Some guns in this game serve no purpose. Might as well just remove guns each season when new ones get added.

[sour sail]

No

[restive berry]

If heavy is the best class in the game, why are all the top lobbies 90% mediums? Can’t tell if you’re trolling. The pike, cl and model are making medium way more popular than they normally would be. Their gadgets are fine the way they are

[merry prism]

unrelated, I don't like that they nerfed it, but I like the change in general. Now I don't have to have a cup of ice next to me at all time to put my fingers in after spamming with the weapon

[wide void]

@burnt roost Who is "we?" Plenty want Model nerfs and it hasn't happened. Plenty want TAA to be toggleable. Plenty want Light buffs instead of nerfs. In fact, the patch notes of Season 4 said Light has a low win rate, so why are they nerfing their weapons multiple times in a row?

Fact of the matter is the game needs further balancing and the devs both know and acknowledge this. Don't act as if complaining is some inherently evil sin or something. It's why this channel exists.

[raven cairn]

CL-40 its a broken weapon , its good that is nerfed back again, bro this is a shooter , i hate weapons that dont shoot any fire bullets, i like that, i consider myself the grenadelauncher and flamethrower as weapons LIKE GADGETS, NOT MAIN WEAPONS, but the game its the way it is and i love that, its so unfair and fairless sometimes, you have to play as a team… an well…..its absurd the throwing knifes from the light class, it have infinity knifes, i think it should throw a few knifes and reload….

[clever tangle]

The "hit 20 opponents with arena carriables or cash box" needs to be changed

[broken herald]

nerf model1887 and cl

[torpid sky]

nerf model dmg and range

nerf pike dmg,dmg fall off and hipfire accuracy

nerf charge n slam

[restive scaffold]

Btw, can we get Dome Shield to deploy faster? I've died more times this season trying to deploy it than any other season. Either faster deploy or longer uptime, it's so dog$%@! right now

[wooden shuttle]

agreed but what about melee?

[sand hazel]

real for that. the loadouts feel bloated at this point with them adding more guns without properly balancing what was already had. over all seems dumb to keep stacking more things on a unstable foundation

[silent fog]

That's just not true. Even high ranks wanted a cl nerf

[fallow idol]

Deal 8000 damage w machine gun is bugged

[ember ridge]

guys did they do any hidden changes to the cloak? feels different after the update but I can't figure what it is

[abstract geyser]

it's probably just your imagination

[quick coyote]

Nerf model and pike

Let us wear watches with multi gloves and the duskvane top

[upper citrus]

high ranked players wanted a nerf so that this chat would clear and people could suggest changes that matter. cl40 was nowhere in high elo lmao

[smoky gust]

First impressions on the prime time buff, i like it

It helps against 3rd parties a bit

In the final round it may seem problematic, but i think it serves a valuable purpose, counteracting organized play while in a solo q
You are very likely to flat out loose against a stack, that doesnt change wether or not they have prime, so there is no harm being done
But if you get the vault in, your team gets the edge it needs to decently compete with a stack
If you wipe them, then enough time passes where stalling becomes a valid option which can end up getting you a cashout

In solo q vs solo q, it doesnt feel disruptive for now

I want to test it a bit more, but if this first impression solidifies itself, then id be happy to see it stay

[vestal igloo]

Fix Kyoto PERFORMANCE on Xbox.

[burnt roost]

Okay so they know and acknowledge this. And I'm not saying that complaining is evil. Yes, it needs to be done sometimes, but that's what this community does all the time. We're only in season 4 of this game and Embark as a whole is still only a year old, i believe. They gotta figure stuff out still I'm sure. I just feel like we should be giving them more time to make this game great. Everyone complaining all the time I'm sure makes them feel like their work is taken for granted.

[river fern]

"Interrupt opponents who are stealing your team's cashout or interfering with your team's decryption at the terminal" does not count unless you kill them as they're holding interact. This makes getting points towards the challenge difficult for any damage method that doesn't 1-shot. Interrupting should include them having to stop holding interact, or dealing damage 0.5s~ after them releasing. This would fit the description of the task better. Or, rename the challenge to "Kill players who are stealing your cashout or interfering with your terminal decryption"

[olive fulcrum]

The RPG reload animation can be succesfully cancelled (gets reloaded)by weapon switching after about only 0.5 seconds into the animation.
The intent of a 2+ sec reload isn’t really in the game for those able to reliably cancel effectively.

[signal tide]

Please fix the hit registration on the Winch. It is way too sticky and often grabs people you don’t even hit with the winch. In this case, we lost the cashout due to the terrible winch accuracy

[coral forum]

V9S
Decreased fire rate from 430 RPM to 360 RPM
Increased damage from 37 to 40

Dev Note: These changes have been made to prevent various methods where players could ensure they got the effective maximum fire rate from the weapon through use of specific binds, causing it to be highly effective compared to its intended baseline. The damage increase has been applied to offset some of the ‘effective DPS’ the weapon lost with the decreased fire rate. Overall, the effectiveness of the weapon for regular players should not be massively different

Original V9S DPS: 265
Fire Rate: 430 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 37

Updated V9S DPS: 240
Fire Rate: 360 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 40

DPS Reduction = 25

If you want to reduce the fire rate while maintaining the damage the weapon does please make the RPM 400. (with 40 damage per shot)

My Preposed V9S Configuration:
RPM: 400 (reduced by 30)
Damage per shot: 40 (Current)
DPS: 400 * 40 / 60 = ≈ 266.67 (similar to the original DPS)

Side note: who is asking for this??? LOL I'm in this channel at least once a day and have never seen anyone complaining about the V9S.

[sudden tangle]

this is what i was looking for. thank you.

I had this feeling that embark was going to actually nerf the by far worst performing class in the game in competitive, but I couldn't back it up. Embark, you don't want lights playing this game competitively do you? You have shown time and time again that you do not care about the competitive light community one bit. @pearl kiln so called light main? Where were you for the past 4 seasons? Light has gone from not being meta to not being playable season after season. What is even going on? Are you guys okay?

I thought hey, maybe the v9s change actually upped the dps and made it shoot slower, giving light a single viable weapon, but nope. I'm done. I have over 600 hours in this game. S1>S2>S3>S4. It's just getting worse. I'm not touching this game with a 6 foot pole anymore. How can you balance a game so badly?

If you actually care about competitive balance, balance it independantly from other gamemodes, or force roleQ. These are your only options, because it seems like it's impossible for you to actually balance the game.

If you go for the better path and do independant balance, literally revert every nerf you gave light from the launch of this game. I'm not even joking. Keep the health regen too. Do this, and light will be ON PAR with H and M in competitive. This might sound insane, but it's the truth.

[quick coyote]

The diamond skins are nothing like what they look in game. Disappointed…

[opal ocean]

Please fix lag issues on Xbox, especially on Kyoto. The game is unplayable at times. Thank you

[autumn warren]

“Let’s make a bad weapon worse because I am physically unable to play video games” 😂. I’m so glad I don’t have your iq I’d need medical assistance. Almost every modern game has a riot shield that doesn’t break. It’s the same strategy to beat riots in this game as it is in siege. If you’re not able to adjust your play style to play against various opponents, maybe you should try a game like geometry dash? I think that one is a little bit more your speed

[weak veldt]

Yeah, when Vegas and Kyoto are the map I have to leave the match due to performance issues. Still no word from the devs about this?

[sharp current]

Light is just unplayable this season, and I'm saying this as a heavy main. I have always played light occasionally, but always hated it competitively. You just can't do anything against the current meta, the model destroys the light, the rpg almost onetap, the maps (like kyoto) make it so you serve nothing (while pike shooting at you), the recent cl-40 buff was cherry on top. And even if you manage to do some kills here and there, the current meta favouring triple med, the enemies you just killed get revived right after. The nature of light, with the 150 hp, makes it so you have to play a certain way. But despite being sneaky, you get punished (whether it's deserved or not, rpg...). I feel like the HP difference is near from impossible to balance, unless you make drastic change to the overall balance (which would profoundly change the nature of the game, so I'm not sure if this is even viable...).

I know these kind of reviews pop everyday in this channel, but I'm genuinely convinced light will never be viable competitively...

[jovial root]

• option to choose a map
• kill cam
• all chat feature

[worn badge]

Cl40 nerf is unnoticeable with the extra round. Make it a gadget for the love of God.

[calm orbit]

Thank you @Embark!

25 is much more reasonable

[brittle obsidian]

boohoo variety in my game. all the hard-meta weapons are boring ass hitscan guns.

[halcyon sky]

Give us a way to reroll challenges. Let me spend 1k VR for a different challenge, some of them just aren't fun.

[flint fossil]

thoose are your tracked contracts I think, go into contracts and you can untrack them

[night vortex]

It was an attempt at ironic humor. I know people have a hard time with that since this is such a serious channel. I’ll keep my posts 100% serious from now.

Can we get a goo gun nerf please?
Make it so you can goo trophies to stop defib.

[pliant glade]

why does every heavy run rpg into charging slam, i'm like counting the amount i've seen today.

[wide void]

Indeed, we got enough games that are solely hitscan. Hitscan is the skill ceiling's meta in this game, anyway. I only came to The Finals because of the unique weapons

[silk shadow]

im asking for it, hope the next light nerf is leaking all their home addresses

[brisk garden]

please stop seeding me 1st in every tournament. it doesn't make it "easy" it just makes me lose so much rank what the hell

[merry anvil]

Lmao don't atk the staff

[sudden spire]

Medium grenade launcher hitbox is broken. I landed a direct hit arial shot on a guy and it did barely any damage

[glad basalt]

this channel is where i come to read my daily dose of bad takes from people who love to speak with such certainty

[opal ruin]

When is Poweshift coming to ranked and world tour 🥲

[obtuse ravine]

RS is a clear indication of skill though ( joke) obviously if your team is higher, even if your teammates get carried, you’re just better and built diff 🥸

[glad yarrow]

Bow is so bad yet so fun

[tacit patrol]

Ain't reading another bad take from you,
I'm happy for you
Or sorry that happened

[coral forum]

okay defib main! LMAO

@night vortex are you his boyfriend? lol I mained defib for two seasons...

I'm a bigot but hes advocating for doxing every light palyer?? lmao try a mirror buddy

[near atlas]

Hello everyone, is it just me or is the sponsoring leveling kinda absurd ? For what I calculated I have to get 115.000 fans after I have done all the contracts, per game i get around 100-150 fans and that would take months or even years 🤯 maybe I'm just bad at math but my calculator said the same thing 🫤

[merry loom]

I have a request.

Can I have a sticker of my emerald AK to put on my other guns?

That is all, thank you.

[odd ibex]

@pearl kiln The pike is a lh1 clone but with a class with more health,like who thought it’s a good idea?
The hipfire and fire rate is insane and it makes the revolver obsolete as pike has better stats.

The time to kill over all is way too low so most weapons need a damage nerf or light class needs more health as it truly unplayable.

The dagger needs one click stab back plus u can hold.

The rpg could have more damage area radius but still needs a player damage nerf and revert reload nerf(makes no difference).

Mediums with double sword gets destroyed,give it to light with an alt spin attack instead of bullet deflection

[autumn warren]

You can’t play games OR read? Yeah you really do belong in the geometry dash subreddit, you’re out of your depth here 😘

[keen lily]

I don't want to play easy tournaments, give us an option to opt only for challenging ones, else the loss of points in case of bad game is too punishing

[terse lark]

please make barricades so you can place them in tighter spots, it sucks when you quickly go to place one and there is some shit not letting you place it

[night vortex]

There’s nothing wrong with maining defib. Not every medium has the balls to play selflessly and run defib as one of their three gadget slots. Show some respect for someone who plays for the team, scrubby light main. Don’t you need to go ask for nerfs to heavy instead of wasting your 30 minute cooldown on attacking a great player?

P.S. you sound like a bigot
P.S.S. @coral forum
Homophobia from the bigot. Who would have guessed
Also, nerf goo gun embark

[flint fossil]

some of the contracts give fans, but yes takes ages

[tepid hazel]

Are you playing WT? I get 300-500 a round

[sudden tangle]

light is dead

[unique nimbus]

Bug: This tile doesn't dissapear on Vegas hotel when using demat. I can't see throught it nor can I shoot through it but I can fall through it still.

[silk shadow]

this tone of yours sounds its coming from a place of bigotry and hatred and i dont really care for it. sorry that you're playing light and dying 75 meters away from the teamfight so you cant feel the warm shocking embrace of my throbbing defib on your lifeless trophy. worlds not out to get you and low effort effort posting isnt going to make you useful with the v9s in its current or previous state. but witerawy keep doing you i guess

[glad basalt]

what update did they increase the size of the barricade so you cant look over it?

[smoky gust]

I think this is how i like the seasons to be

The finals, with themes on the side
New map, sponsors, different smaller themes for the battle pass pages and weapons that fit the general vibe of it all

Compared to season 3, which felt like japan, with "we also have the finals in there somewhere"

Make more season like the current one please

[jagged cedar]

v9s nerf feels like shit

[coral forum]

How's this for a tone... How about you and cockanickles hold hands and skip your lbgtqia way to a Concord lobby! this isnt a safe space, we dont give a fuck about your feelings here. Take your beta boy virtue signaling ass gape somewhere else.

P.S. You sound like you take a CL-40 every night. 😆

[robust jackal]

for real

[orchid osprey]

Does anyone even moderate this discord

[obsidian plinth]

Most useless change, lights almost only viable weapon is now worse but easier to use. It's probably a change made off of the statistic of it's use rate. While on paper it was a really good weapon, with the sights not being centered and the xp-54 previously overshadowing it people probably weren't using it. I think it's a bad change and that Embark should've let people find out how good the weapon is or actually fix the camera shake uncentering your crosshair. The RPM being lower is a bandaid fix for the camera shake aswell

[tacit patrol]

Rework riot shield:

• 400 health shield that regens a bit after being out of combat

• cooldown if the shield breaks

• increase shield size to cover feet + other visible areas from front

This makes it simpler to use for the entire player base and gives it more counter play in line with the other shields in the game.

A lot of people pointed out: why not use fire or gas or drop a grenade to counter. Well if you play in comp you can't magically spawn in different equipment that counters such a niche weapon pick.

[next yoke]

Fuck melee weapons

[night glen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1g0nwz4/whats_it_like_navigating_your_home_drunk_at_3am/ But the destruction is not too much? I like the destructable environment, but this goes way too far.

[upper citrus]

no way people are complaining about riot shield now

[hasty widget]

Kyoto is literally such a bad map when it comes to performance i wish we could ban it from the game

[near parcel]

seems like you're still a long way to go for ranked, you should probably go play some quick cash matches before worrying about competitive matches if you find riot shield an issue bud

[brittle obsidian]

every other non-issue was gutted so they need to look to the next offmeta thing to complain about, expect dual blades and 93r complaints next

[umbral rampart]

I really think the medium female body type needs to not be so flat chested. You can barely tell it's any different from the male one. It's ridiculous. You don't need a huge chest. Just something.

[lime lichen]

Dual blades are borderline unusable, those things needs a buff

[zealous harness]

I've played riot shield until I got level 6 with it. I've retried it every time it got buffed and with my experience, alongside every one else's who has rated this weapon, I can say with confidence that riot shield is the most E/D tier weapon in the game. You should try playing with the riot shield, it's main downsides is that the medium is not fast enough to catch up to people like the light sword can and the riot shield does not deal enough damage like the heavy's sledge does. It's frustrating to play against riot shields, especially three of them when and only when you don't know how to counter them. You should always keep as much distance as possible when fighting it and, many don't like this next one but to my knowledge it is required when you don't have explosives / fire / gas / charge n slam, you need to play w/ your team to take out any riot player. A common strat that I often use is let my light or medium player aggro a riot shield player and run away from him, meanwhile me and optionally my teammate start gunning him down. I mentionned you need a light or medium for this trick but there are plenty of other strategies if you are running HHH. charge and slam is riot shield kryptonite, placing barricades if you have them can slow down a riot player that's chasing you (hard to pull off for some, but certainly possible) and rpg'ing a riot shield user can drop his health enough to the point where you can easily kill him by facing him head on instead of running away and getting your teammate to gun him down.

To close this off, I completely understand your frustration w/ the riot shield and especially full teams of them, but once you understand how you can use your specific kit to counter them (any kit is possible, some are harder than others (katanas as main weapon), and some are laughably easy (cl40, sledge and maybe charge and slam cause some newer players find it a bit to difficult to control)). I also strongly recommend that you play 5 or so rounds w/ riot

[night vortex]

Stari addresssing the real problems of the game here.

#nerfgoogun

[wooden atlas]

Me and my friends love to play private games and face off against each other, but PLEASE we need a functionality where we can choose the teams. Often times the way the game makes the teams makes it difficult to make it how we want.

[random scarab]

I will thanks

[odd ibex]

Who agrees?!!💥

The pike is a lh1 clone but with a class with more health,like who thought it’s a good idea?
The hipfire and fire rate is insane and it makes the revolver obsolete as pike has better stats.

The time to kill over all is way too low so most weapons need a damage nerf or light class needs more health as it truly unplayable.

The dagger needs one click stab back plus u can hold.

The rpg could have more damage area radius but still needs a player damage nerf and revert reload nerf(makes no difference).

Mediums with double sword gets destroyed,give it to light with an alt spin attack instead of bullet deflection

[rotund silo]

The spawn update for in-progress cashouts is AMAZING

[coral forum]

V9S
Decreased fire rate from 430 RPM to 360 RPM
Increased damage from 37 to 40

Dev Note: These changes have been made to prevent various methods where players could ensure they got the effective maximum fire rate from the weapon through use of specific binds, causing it to be highly effective compared to its intended baseline. The damage increase has been applied to offset some of the ‘effective DPS’ the weapon lost with the decreased fire rate. Overall, the effectiveness of the weapon for regular players should not be massively different

Original V9S DPS: 265
Fire Rate: 430 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 37

Updated V9S DPS: 240
Fire Rate: 360 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 40

DPS Reduction = 25

If you want to reduce the fire rate while maintaining the damage the weapon is dealing please make the RPM 400. (with 40 damage per shot)

My Preposed V9S Configuration:
RPM: 400 (reduced by 30)
Damage per shot: 40 (increased by 3)
DPS: 400 * 40 / 60 = ≈ 266.67 (similar to the original DPS)

Side note: who is asking for this??? LOL I'm in this channel at least once a day and have never seen anyone complaining about the V9S.

[silk shadow]

We need a nerf on LEEPing and a buff in schizoposting. Terrible balance starts in game feedback and reflects in actual gameplay. Stari is heading in the right direction tho

[honest verge]

Embrace the casuals. Not every game needs to be an e-sport.

The destruction in the game caters to casual gameplay.

[void blade]

Why the hell does solo q in gold this season feel as hard as solo q in diamond in season 2

[vestal igloo]

Fix Kyoto PERFORMANCE on Xbox.

[uneven dagger]

Love you embark

[quick coyote]

That's what I'm saying

[covert yacht]

JUST NERF THE MODEL

[simple grail]

ive been trying but its kind of hard

[tiny silo]

@light wagon

[latent stone]

i definitley realize now i ran into some key binders taking advantage but im with you, havent heard one complaint about this weapon. Meanwhile CL40 doesnt feel very different

[edgy urchin]

riot sheild is broken asf it can 2 tap a heavy and blocks all bullets???? who thought that was a good idea

[hot dust]

I hope more people than just me will talk about lack of variations for the new map and a bunch of others. There is like no day and night changes, no weather changes. Fortune stadium is sure really cool map, but it is literally has one variant. I get that mapmaking is hella hard, but its literally feels like Seoul in the holtow zone. Not saying that this is bad, but sure hope we will get more various map modules. I even ready to have next season without a new map, if embark will work on variations for what we already have

[tawny oriole]

First ban 1 week is bullshit. 1 time cheater always cheater, if they could play without cheat they would not use it. 1 week ban doesnt make sense, So First ban should be hwid ban

[wild pivot]

ngl light nef is not bad i got alot of kills w v9s

[brittle obsidian]

1. no it can't
2. debatable

[naive yarrow]

heres an idea i have for a defib rework, aimed at making tripple medium defib stacks worse, and the general state of defib stronger when used how intended

if you disagree, please let me know why

[quick coyote]

why do i get 600 fans for loosing ranked cashout with 1 kill but when i nearly win a ranked tournament i get 60?

[coral forum]

V9S
Decreased fire rate from 430 RPM to 360 RPM
Increased damage from 37 to 40

Dev Note: These changes have been made to prevent various methods where players could ensure they got the effective maximum fire rate from the weapon through use of specific binds, causing it to be highly effective compared to its intended baseline. The damage increase has been applied to offset some of the ‘effective DPS’ the weapon lost with the decreased fire rate. Overall, the effectiveness of the weapon for regular players should not be massively different

Original V9S DPS: 265
Fire Rate: 430 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 37

Updated V9S DPS: 240
Fire Rate: 360 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 40

DPS Reduction = 25

If you want to reduce the fire rate while maintaining the damage the weapon does please make the RPM 400. (with 40 damage per shot)

My Preposed V9S Configuration:
RPM: 400 (reduced by 30)
Damage per shot: 40 (increased by 3)
DPS: 400 * 40 / 60 = ≈ 266.67 (similar to the original DPS)

Side note: who is asking for this??? LOL I'm in this channel at least once a day and have never seen anyone complaining about the V9S.

[junior igloo]

embark used my feedback (tehy increased cl-40 mag to 5 and decreased dmg) 👀

[half maple]

anyone else think that sniper should go back to being hitscan? another kind of nerf is fine, but its silly to have it not be hitscan with the pike in the game now, really hard to contest the pike at range with a literal sniper

[sharp willow]

because gold is the most populated rank right now, wait until the end of the season and it will be easier

[drifting acorn]

…just remove pike at this rate bruh

[halcyon depot]

The medium's RIOT shield and twin swords are useless.

1. Although both can be defended against, their defensive abilities are not enough.

At the very least, can't the RIOT shield be used to crouch and guard?

2. The medium itself has no running ability that can't keep up with the light build.

But these two weapons only have attack and guard motions that swing the weapon on the spot.

Lights have specializations that allow them to chase the enemy, while heavy weapons have specializations for charging at the enemy, pulling the enemy in, and stalling the enemy, but what about mediums? ...

Mediums have no way to catch up with the enemy in close combat.

Aren't only a few enthusiasts using either of these?

Do some drastic reforms need to be made to get people to use them?

By the way, I tried using both of them and immediately concluded that they were less useful than the melee weapons of the light and heavy builds, so I don't use them anymore.

[vestal igloo]

WE NEED A HOTFIX KYOTO ON XBOX BROO CANT PLAY RANKED BC THIS MAP

[oblique harbor]

Just reporting that tracking dart seems to be inconsistently buggy. I'm hitting the target, getting the notification that they've been tagged but they aren't getting highlighted.

[viral comet]

yes let me make my female cute and not look like a prepubescent boy. PLEASE.

[smoky gust]

In general i like the idea

But i would be afraid that it makes you choose between shooting the hologram (the medium kills you) or shooting the medium (likely wont have enough time to destroy the hologram, need to fight a 2nd person while you need to reload)
It already does that now, but with this change the defibbed ends up with more hp

I would rather make the hologram have a set amount of hp (like 150 maybe?)
Something you can put out somewhat quickly by corner peeking for example
And a set amount of time (~4 seconds) no matter the class
And if it doesnt get destroyed, the person comes back with 100% hp

It would end up more consistently counterable than what you wrote, but i think its needed

It ends up being a slightly faster revive, during which you arent occupied
In a worst case scenario you can also just defib to distract the enemy
Still useful, but not gamebreaking

It would be a fall from glory for sure, but i think its needed

I dont really mind what they do, as long as defib gets an actual impactful nerf

[dense arrow]

I feel like it diminishes the “clutch revive” function of the defib if people can kill you before you revive. I like the idea, but maybe halve the damages reanimating statues take during the timer, and/or make the revive timer more standard of what time it takes now (idk how long it takes in its current state lol)

EDIT I can also get behind the above message

[nocturne badger]

fix your solo queuing pls...from 14k to 5k in 2 days

[fringe burrow]

Hey just an FYI the damage opponents with arena carriables mission is totally bugged for me and wont progress past 1/20, I hit a guy with an orange barrel at the start of a bank it, then none of my hits counted after for the entire match and match after that, probably got more than halfway in hits but still stuck at 1/20

[gleaming marsh]

another patch, another week in hell for light players

[keen beacon]

this new V9S update is absolutely terrible.
it feels awful to use. the rpm feels like if my hand was tired from clicking after a late night session, even though i'm clicking faster.
basically, it feels like it doesnt match my clicking speed at all.

i can't even secure my own kills. they're all being stolen because its too slow.

[coral forum]

IMO the main reason people don't like the debif is the ability to driveby defib. If we make the defib function the same as a default revive (i.e. making it a stationary charge), with a speed boost.. make it cut the default revive time in half..

[fair dock]

DEVS why is the ranked system so so so poorly made???????

[verbal hound]

real (my team has the lowest ranked far below me with other teams leagues higher, sometimes I dont get a third and still get penalized)

[worn horizon]

skill issue nothing else new v9s is better for me

[tepid hazel]

is there a visual bug to the new health bars? I hit a light 3 times and his health bar flashed each time but he stayed full health. After I died the feed said I did 112 damage

[distant arch]

My game crashes every single time I load into a game since 4.2 update

[graceful hollow]

people were macroing it

[violet elbow]

revert V9S, add a fullauto setting for semiauto weapons, you nerfed a gun and made it feel terrible because of an accessibility issue.

[flint fossil]

I like the new V9S tbh feels better

[coarse jetty]

swords are still too powerful to be comfortable with especially when combined with dash and stun

[upper citrus]

Nerf the model 1887

[covert yacht]

how can it take them so long for a patch that does nothing to the guns that are being used like how did we not see a big nerf to both Pike and Model 1887

[smoky gust]

Stationary while charging
Charge takes 3 seconds
Instantly brings back teammate upon completion

If a medium just runs in and tries to defib they will be lasered, so they need to either get some cover like goo or run off with the statue, which makes it a somewhat faster standart revive

Sounds good to me

[vestal igloo]

how can I make the devs see this?it needs to be fixed,the game is unplayable in certain games on XBOX,it really makes you want to stop playing ://Have more clips...

[coral forum]

Thats a lot of shuttering. unplayable

[night vortex]

I’d take any change to the drive by defib at this point. I don’t mind the defib if it wasn’t rewarded so much for just sprinting out in to the open and getting a free revive. Sure you can do things to kill the revived player, but it just seems like so much reward for so little action.

Right now you spend the time to out-position or out-shoot your opponent and it’s all thrown away in a single instant because of their entire team runs the defib. Fighting teams two or three times makes actually fighting feel so unrewarding.

When I tried out the CL40 to see what all the fuss was the nicest feature was being able to easily move trophies. Watching a medium mindlessly run after a trophy defibs out while I’m bouncing it around with the CL40 is a fun little mini game if you have time.

[umbral rampart]

Real. REAL.

[covert yacht]

ITS NOT TEH FINALS ANYMORE ITS MEDIUM SUMITATOR

[wide void]

correct answer

[dull heron]

just a minor qual of life change, in modes such as powershift while u have access to the full equipment page, contrary to it being all u can access in normal modes, all equipment in reserve should be put at the front for ease of access

[sturdy otter]

ahhh yes, getting into lobbies with diamond players while being in bronze 4, perfectly balanced match

[flint fossil]

real

[thorny parcel]

Fix dash light and goo locks. It used to stop them

[clever hawk]

They do this to blur the lines between male/female unfortunately. Similar reason for the skin tones being muddled, facial hair applicable to females, “body type”, & fat Heavies.

—

2 of the 3 classes in the game have had an incredibly powerful Gadget hog 1/3rd of their slots since release

Defib:
This is going to need a series of strong nerfs for it ever to be worthwhile to take another Gadget instead. These nerfs would also reduce opponent frustration:

• Disable use for 10 seconds upon resurrection. This would prevent the incredibly strong & infuriating chain-revive merry-go-round.

• Prevent Defibbed players from shooting for a further 0.5-1s & remove all iframes. They can spawn in shooting as it is, which is actually advantageous versus opponents relying upon timing/reaction. Iframes allow players to run away & Demat/Jump Pad, Goo themselves to safety with minimal counterplay

• Allow the resurrecting player’s body to be destroyed (via gunfire only) before completion. This would finally limit most of the value from ridiculous mid-combat rezzes.

• Prevent use of other Gadgets & Specialisations for 5 seconds upon being Defibbed. This would prevent immediate high-value Charge n Slams, RPGs, etc.

RPG:
Whilst it deals good damage it will remain a must-pick. It could instead serve the least-picked Heavy class great fun & some much-desired manoeuvrability:

• Reduce damage to 50. This is still useful against groups, for dealing 1/3rd of a Light’s health, & for finishing off targets.

• Increase explosive radius by 50% - the extended region will deal zero damage. Allow it to be the defining tool of destruction.

• Enable minor knockback at the explosion’s epicentre, allowing Heavies to trade some health to perform a rocket jump as well as move enemies on direct-ish hits.

• Reduce cooldown by 15s

To be honest, with these changes I’m certain it would still have an exceptional pickrate. But it would be so much more than a low-skill, high-value fight initiator.

[naive yarrow]

i see what you're saying, and i partially agree

The reason i would like for the different classes to have different hp and revive times is so that you have to make actual choices on who to revive, in the current state a heavy is always the best choice for defib, and a light always the worst, but under my idea, in a tense situation you might choose to revive the light because its faster, or in a more sustained teamfight you might go for the heavy to buy time

my intention is actually to make gadgetplay more viable against defib, like glitch grenades, pyro grenades, gas grenades, would all be able to counter an active defib that isnt very carefully placed while putting pressure on the medium who revived, and to make defib more of a faster revive like you said

at the end of the day i agree with you though, it doesn't matter how it happens as long as it does

[vestal igloo]

how can I make the devs see this?it needs to be fixed,the game is unplayable in certain games on XBOX,it really makes you want to stop playing ://Have more clips...

[nova flame]

This is not game feedback but more something I would like to see. I mostly play The Finals on my desktop but when I am not home I have a m1 max mbp. If the game could / would ever be ported over to Mac OS it would be amazing. I think apples new arm chips are more than capable of running this game. This could also open the game up to more people, granted probably not a large audience. But none the less on a platofrm with not many gaming options it would be a go to choice for those who do use it.

I would like to just play using apps like Whiskey or Parallels but because of EAC for some reason you can't play on VM machines. So at the moment there is no way to play the finals on mac at all. If it would be possible to allow EAC on VM machines i'd be happy with that as well at the very least.

[woeful lagoon]

Femboy cosmetics

[fading sinew]

Damn. That was funny. True, but also funny.

Embark, fix your error tgfe0001 please. It's annoying.

[random pine]

Can we make the game easier for the new people to play? For example, by not keeping the majority of good gadgets and guns locked for way too long. Players unlocking ranked mode a little easier, etc

I think it could be a big reason to why a lot of people who try the game for a little bit might be giving up on it after just a little bit

[night vortex]

💋

[coarse jetty]

there is the spirited vixen outfit + the goth skirt/thigh highs but yea more is certainly better

[teal venture]

You guys absolutly cooked the V9S, revert the changes, how do we nerf a pistol that was rarely used over the model, where is the logic

[winter wren]

Please add option to disable contracts on scoreboard screen. Why they added this i have no idea??? why they added this without assuming some people would prefer the original scoreboard screen. I don’t understand why they would even add this???

[jovial viper]

Got suspended for leaving a game where a teammate was already gone, and it said I wouldn’t be penalized

[coral forum]

I kind of agree.. the weapon was not used in the capacity of the model. Why the change? They said they dont want to decrease the damage but they did reduce the damage by 25 DPS.. some say its an irrelevant stat. But the RPM decrease is a serious change to the forgivness of the weapon as a whole.

[merry loom]

If you want the original score board just don’t favorite/star those contracts.

[regal salmon]

Mesh changes are not enough. It needs a full reversion.

I get that juggling wasn't part of your design intent. But I think it's time to admit your design instincts are wrong here and swallow your pride.

The Mesh Shield keeps the meta honest. It promotes teamplay and aids defensive strategies.

Without it, the game devolves into a super aggro meta. Especially with the healing beam nerf, which makes the heavies switch to Charge and mediums to demat instead, making defending a fool's game, as fortifications become meaningless.

I honestly find the game unplayable without it. And won't play again unless it's fully reverted.

[dim forge]

Go outside

[grave fox]

They said they dont want to decrease the damage
They didn't say that, they said they increased damage to offset some of the effective DPS, but the V9S nerf is obviously intended.

[sinful zealot]

type 1 body has floating badges when used with the noctovantage top. (PS. Turns out they float on alot of tops)

[upper citrus]

nerf the model 1887

[normal flax]

Can we get more Moolah style items 🥺 🫴

[rough storm]

Nerf Model train lets go

[uneven dagger]

Keep up the good work embark

[umbral rampart]

Kinda surprised they haven't done the cow onesie yet!

[dusty totem]

The V9S nerf was an unjust and unnecessary measure, its intent was to punish cheaters but it just ended up punishing long time users of the weapon who now have to get used to a worse close range LH1

Instead of tackling the exploit that allowed for users of macros to bypass the anti cheat and with that the set fire rate of the weapon, why have the devs chosen to nerf the weapon altogether? I feel like that is not the approach that was needed to be taken here, but rather, the devs should focus on punishing the users of those external programs/devices and fixing those exploits, not in changing a perfectly solid weapon because of something external to the game itself.

Also, an easy fix to users that would use the mouse wheel to up its fire rate was just removing the ability to bind stuff to it.

[glass fjord]

Update 4.20 and no green skins.... cmon now....

[glad ore]

If you're not going to bother making maps for power shift, at least make the existing ones less one sided. It's fucking embarrassing how bad y'all are at balancing anything for this game.

[zealous scarab]

pistol was so good... kept me so amped up in this game.. now. It's just slow and boring.. remove it's strength and let me have my speed back. Not our faults people couldn't hit their shots. stop making guns stronger..

[crisp heart]

Embark please add hud safe zone 🙏 👍 ❤

[languid stratus]

WAY TO KILL WORLD TOUR

[tame crag]

The World Tour Primetime buff is really refreshing Embark! I think it’s a good move and does not feel overbearing because you can’t regenerate it.

[clever hawk]

There are two Gadgets that have maintained almost 100% pickrates ever since the game released, despite numerous nerfs:

1. Defibrillator
2. RPG

This is because their functional value is immense regardless of minor tweaks to resurrection time or damage dealt

Defib:
It is easily good enough to be made into a Specialisation

If not, it’s going to need a series of strong nerfs for it ever to be worthwhile to take another Gadget instead. These nerfs would also reduce opponent frustration:

• Disable use for 10 seconds upon resurrection. This would prevent the incredibly strong & infuriating chain-revive merry-go-round

• Prevent use of other Gadgets & Specialisations for 5s upon being Defibbed. This would halt immediate low-effort, high-value Charge n Slams, RPGs, etc

• Allow the resurrecting player’s body to be destroyed (via gunfire only) before completion. This would finally limit most of the value from ridiculous mid-combat rezzes

• Prevent Defibbed players from shooting for a further 0.5-1s & remove all iframes. They can spawn in shooting as it is, which is actually advantageous versus opponents relying upon timing/reaction. Iframes allow players to run away & Demat/Jump Pad/Goo/etc themselves to safety with minimal counterplay

RPG:
Whilst it deals good damage it will remain a must-pick. It could instead serve the least-picked Heavy class great fun & some much-desired manoeuvrability:

• Reduce damage to 50. This is still useful against groups, for dealing 1/3rd of a Light’s health, & for finishing off targets

• Increase explosive radius by 50% - the extended region will deal zero damage. Allow it to be the defining tool of destruction

• Enable minor knockback at the explosion’s epicentre, allowing Heavies to trade some health to perform a rocket jump as well as move enemies on direct-ish hits

• Reduce cooldown by 15s

I’m certain it would still have an exceptional pickrate. But it would be so much more than a low-skill, high-value fight initiator

[inner rivet]

pike didnt really need a dmg nerf it needs a fire rate nerf, thats the reason why it competes upclose with models

[winter wren]

next time please know what your talking about lmao their is no way to turn of daily contracts i do have any of them favorited and they all still block half my scoreboard

[torpid sky]

nerf model
nerf pike

[restive crescent]

you are just insane.

[coral forum]

How is this still an issue in season 4? Come on guys. 17 minutes we sat there waiting for the game to end because the cashbox was clitched into the ground.... fucking lame

[clear hemlock]

For me it was a v9S buff since I don't have the best tracking when clicking fast, so my normal clicking speed just does more damage now

[wide void]

Or... Just let people use it full-auto. Carpal tunnel is not fun. Clicking fast is not a real mechanical or strategic skill, it's just annoying

[normal flax]

That's exactly what I was thinking. Cow onesie and a moo sound $19.99 would not stop me for a moment

[vestal igloo]

how can I make the devs see this?it needs to be fixed,the game is unplayable in certain games on Xbox,it really makes you want to stop playing.

[crisp heart]

That particular spot seems to have issues, yesterday my statue got stuck in the ground on the opposite side of that hut

[azure ermine]

what are you running the game on a microwave? jesus

[errant hamlet]

I found a minor bug with a texture. Is the best way to handle that to put in a support ticket?

[unkempt oar]

lmao at 100HP buff. who thought that was necessary? esp in the last round. way to ignore the playerbase

[teal venture]

The V9S nerf was an unjust and unnecessary measure, its intent was to punish cheaters but it just ended up punishing long time users of the weapon who now have to get used to a worse close range LH1

Instead of tackling the exploit that allowed for users of macros to bypass the anti cheat and with that the set fire rate of the weapon, why have the devs chosen to nerf the weapon altogether? I feel like that is not the approach that was needed to be taken here, but rather, the devs should focus on punishing the users of those external programs/devices and fixing those exploits, not in changing a perfectly solid weapon because of something external to the game itself.

[coral forum]

i agree, the change was not needed.. noone was asking for this.

This was arguably the best weapon for a class that already major survivability problems. Now its damage has been reduced. It was not and has never been a perma pick. Why oh why are they doing this.. lol

[upper citrus]

These do not need to be nerfed. Their utility needs to be rivaled. More gadgets please

[clever hawk]

They are perma-picks and have been since inception.

There are 15/13/13 Gadget options per class yet for Medium & Heavy 1/3rd of their slots are permanently locked. Closer to 2/3rds if you account for Jump/Zip & Dome.

Add more Gadgets that rival the utility of Defib & RPG and you will never see 90% of the Gadgets in the game ever again.

They also just provide far too much value for far too little effort.

Heavy nerfs are an absolute necessity & have been since launch.

[winter wren]

hes not actually hes cooking

[wide void]

Stop missing the point. Clicking a few times more per second than usual shouldn't be considered a cheat or an exploit in the first place. It's just clicking. We're not moderating bots on RuneScape, we're playing a fast-paced FPS where you aim at people and press and hold left click at decisive times.

Revert the nerf and MAKE FULL-AUTO AN OPTION. That's just increasing accessibility.

[undone swallow]

not really. rpg might need a rework but defib does not need to be touched. there isnt a single slot on medium that is contested by defib. it is the only main support gadget on the class and its already extremely counterable in game. it feels fine to play against and is balanced on its own (ignoring MMM defib chain but thats not because of defib thats just because M alone has no weakness and can provide too much value as a class.)

medium needs more support gadgets so that defib is an actual contested slot. dont just nerf defib when its already fine in game because people arent taking inherently worse gadgets like data reshaper

[worn horizon]

I just wanna say thx to EMBARK for making this game better, better and better. in my eyes its almost perfect, just a few small things here and there and we look at a perfect game. dont ruin it embark!

[umbral rampart]

Doing a great job, Embark! This season has been the most fun overall!

[rough storm]

yooooooo what happens when it's done? Who 'wins' lets say?

[hard magnet]

its taking like 10-15 minutes for shaders to precompile or whatever, and I've already had to transition slowly from high, to medium, to low graphics over time. Please work on optimization asap

[quick coyote]

(Whoever is reading this and can forward it to someone that can help me please consider it)
This was in the patch notes the patch after my week false ban. It has been proven inaccurate yet my account is one step away from being smited when i spent 1k+ on this game. The reason for not removing my ban or at least the strike because they were “confident in the anti cheat” i love this game and want it to succeed but all my hard work could be one step away from getting taken away. I was literally told they can’t tell me what software was on my pc for security reasons. I have 23000 kills and 13000 deaths. I am not a cheater been playing since beta i just want to talk to someone who will actually help me in some kind of way instead of treating me like a cheater when i never cheated.

[shy swan]

KEEP PRIMETIME BUFF. GOOD ADDITION
MAKE AUTOMANTELING OPTIONAL FFS

[thorny parcel]

I like the idea. I just want to whack the holograms

[obsidian delta]

Ignore this dude ^ Primetime buff is a completely pointless buff that just does not feel good, The first team to fight the deposited cashout always loses, This buff is so dumb

[shadow stirrup]

4/10

[digital crescent]

Can we get a Talk Tuah emote where we spit on that thang 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[tepid hazel]

It's just a fun modifier for WT not like its staying forever

[pure cloud]

hi this game is awesome and one of the most fun ive had with shooters in the past few years keep up the amazing work

[unique rune]

They should modify the sniper headshot damage

[viral comet]

"we want to discourage 3rd parties" gives buff of 100 health that directly encourages 3 parties At this point I think the think the plot is completely lost. season 4 is a dud. Hopefully the vision comes back next season, but there's no hope for the rest of s4.

[clever hawk]

Defib has one of the strongest values in the entire game & is the predominant cause of MMM. It easily rivals even the better Specialisations, and surpasses the weaker ones.

It - and to a lesser extent RPG - obtains its extremely high value through very low comparative effort. That’s always terrible for a game no matter the context.

Add more Gadgets that contest Defib and you will never see 90% of the Gadgets ever again.

Data Reshaper is actually fun, unique, and useful, but it sees very little use because 2/3rds of Medium’s Gadgets slots are perma-locked by Defib & Jump/Zip. Your suggestion would ensure 3/3 slots are unchanging forever.

At the rate of development we’ve seen since launch - which has only slowed down as player numbers dwindled - it takes many months for a single new Gadget per class to be added. So it’d take years for you to have multiple options that compete with Defib, and even then you’d still have the problem of 90% of Gadgets effectively ceasing to exist.

[shy swan]

wtf ur problem. it makes the first team last longer. first game on as heavy wiped 2 teams defending on a double stacked cashout. maybe scaling the health ammounts could be more balenced. 100 for every class might need balencing.

ADD OPTIONAL AUTO MANTEL

NERF SHOTGUNS N CHARGE N SLAM (reduce charge n slam cooldown when hitting nothing for more movement heavies)

ADD A GADGET OR SPEC FFS

[umbral rampart]

I was JUST about to say this. I just had a match with golds and silvers... but on my team was the only bronze. We did not win, because the skill gap was too huge. Not just in weaponplay performance but in awareness, game sense.

[restive crescent]

primetime buff is fun, but not on last round

[radiant eagle]

please stop matching me against esport pros

[night vortex]

Let me use goo gun on trophies. Buffs the spec and nerfs the defib. It’s perfect.

#nerfgoogun

[tepid hazel]

Just tell us you can’t win fights at the vault final round lol

[versed cloud]

FCAR isn't nearly as good as what it should be for how terrible the recoil pattern is. AKM still destroys it still in every way. Now with the Pike .556 in the meta, it's just totally undersirable.

[timber falcon]

The r.357 please just enough to 3 tap a medium

[wide void]

Want to buff Light and nerf defib at the same time? Make Glitch Grenades (and Glitch Barrels) destroy the defib's hologram when reviving someone, cancelling the revive entirely. A little niche, a little evil, but it kind of makes sense, no?

[barren coral]

The flamethrower water gun skin is broken, it's bugged out via appearing on other gadgets and I can't shoot fire

[grim anchor]

The CL40 is too strong, and having explosive weapons in ranked mode is unfair for example, RPG grenade launchers and a rocket launcher. Me personally I think that all rocket or explosive based weapons shouldn’t be allowed in ranked or should be restricted.

[sudden tangle]

can we go back to season 1 plz?

[dawn wigeon]

can we pls have baggy distressed denim that go over our shoes

[snow scaffold]

Another update without Deadzone improvements😞. Back to OW2😔.

10 months since game released.

3 weeks since the 1st request was made.

[upper citrus]

Then buff the other gadgets. Defib isn’t an issue.

I usually hate the buff > nerf mindset but defib is genuinely fine. Maybe just remove the iframes

Also, the reason for MMM meta is not defib. MMM wouldn’t be meta if the class had actual downsides

[remote whale]

where is my emerald skin

[night vortex]

Let me goo gun trophies and you can keep defib the same

[clever hawk]

Low effort, high value gadgets are dogshit for the health of any game. I’d rather nerf the singular outlier than turn all the other gadgets and thus the game into the same slop.

Also good luck buffing grenades and mines to the level of Defib. And good luck massively buffing 90%+ of gadgets instead of just nerfing the one singular anomaly.

Defib is the predominant reason for MMM. Not the only. Medium enabled Heavy to be meta in the past via Defib/heal. Heavy’s loss of value has just replaced H with more M.

The value of Defib is also a major reason Light has never been meta. It cripples the game from head to toe.

[stuck ravine]

embark try not to clutter the ui challenge (impossible)

[silk shadow]

personally i think having no counter to defibbing is very good

[halcyon depot]

The CL-40 can barely hit a dummy nearly 25 meters away at the back of the second practice range, whose direction is known.
The bullets fall in a large arc, so even an extremely experienced person would have a hard time hitting it in one shot.
Try it. You probably wouldn't even be able to hit it with the blast.
It's at that distance that an AKM or M11 could easily hit it (though to get consecutive hits you have to control the recoil and aim while chasing the enemy,
but that's common sense with a fully automatic gun).

[tepid hazel]

are you actually complaining about it after the nerf? Lmao trash take

[tribal spoke]

Please buff and fix the dual blades

[brittle obsidian]

add visual indicator for the selection area of data reshaper, also make glitch barrel reshape into red barrel instead of a random one.

[graceful hollow]

Don't cheat.

[old magnet]

GIVE LIGHTS LANDMINES

[viral comet]

only if mediums get smokes

[thorn spear]

Why am I being penalized when I was the only one left of my team some please help me understand

[rich heath]

fix you're fucked matchmaking

[hazy scarab]

Riot shields Block to many bullets

[vivid thunder]

How are we supposed to grind out the 99,000+ fans for the sponsors? The contracts only give like 36,000 and you tend to only get 100 per match if you’re lucky.

[jagged vector]

Instead of giving the team that cashes out 350 hp give each player 100 more hp lights with a sword is stupid or even having a light with that is pretty annoying to play against especially when their kit is op already. Yall cater too much to light. They complain way too much. They aren’t supposed to be a running gun play type. They’re supposed to be eyes and the damage for other people to kill.

[restive crescent]

did you notice everything you do is complain about other people opinions?

[rancid wasp]

good luck. you can try reaching out to someone here or hope they reach out to you.

[quick coyote]

didn't. been playing since open beta 1.78 isn't cheating

[night vortex]

I’ve been saying this forever now. Heavies weren’t unkillable on their own. If that was the case HHH would have been the meta. It’s always been the mediums making them unkillable and on the off chance they died they just revived instantly for free. Embark has nerfed heavy over and over and wonder why this doesn’t change. This post is 200% correct

[thick jackal]

You should be able to show your RS progression in lobby or atleast after each game

[rugged temple]

High damage primaries is the pridominant reason for MMM. Light has never been meta because of said high damage primaries. Defib ought to get a small nerf.

[rose kestrel]

I would like it if me and/or my teammates didn't respawn 200m away after using a coin. Especially when it respawns us right in front of the enemy.

[magic widget]

Guys hear me out…what if instead of complaining about the game and thinking season 4 is doomed due to these minor issues, what if we praise embark for what they got right and have constructive criticism for the rest, with the open mindset that your take could be biased and objectively wrong?
Wait no that’s dumb
NERF ALL CLASSES AND BUFF THEM AT THE SAME TIME ALSO ALL THE GAMEMODES SUCK FIX YOUR GAME YOU ARISTOCRATS

[halcyon depot]

In addition, the self-damage that had been reduced on the CL-40 has been increased again, so if you get hit by two successive blasts from your own gun at close range you will die.
If this weapon's bullets flew in a straight line like in an RPG, the dissatisfaction would be understandable, but as I said before, the distance is far enough that an average user won't be able to hit anything at long range.

The number of bullets has been increased by one, but this is the return of a flawed weapon that requires careful handling.

[regal salmon]

Defib should genuinely be a Specialization. It's that strong.

If Embark want to properly balance the meta, but not change how defib works, that's the answer.

[uncut stump]

This community sucks holy

[queen sand]

EMBARK PLEASE MAKE CONSOLE CROSSPLAY OFF SERVERS ON CONSOLE, CONSOLE EXCLUSIVE NOT PLAYSTATION OR XBOX EXLUSIVE I CANT GET INTO A GAME ON CONSOLE JUST SAT IN A 50 MINUTE QUEUE (MERGE PLAYSTATION AND XBOX SERVERS)

[brittle obsidian]

with the introduction of bonus health as a mechanic a gadget for medium to give bonus health to a specific teammate would rock. light might actually finally have some synergy with medium then, as they'd benefit the most from it.

[quick coyote]

Put a trigger delay on the heavy’s weapons, if they see you for even a second they will kill you instantly

[graceful hollow]

Doesn't prove a single thing. Maybe you'll think before you do it next time.

[cerulean mason]

Best take I've heard in a while. Defibrillator dominates in every gamemode (besides ta ofc) and is the reason triple M is so effective, either nerf defibs or give them to light, something needs to change besides heavy getting constant nerfs and lights being nerfed in and out of relevance

[winter wren]

bring back regular scoreboard not this half screen sh!t

[lavish kite]

CAn we please have BETTER matchmaking cus it is so stressful and I'm just wasting my time

[median timber]

what is wrong with matchmaking, i cant even play, always stuck on the "waiting for other contestants to connect" screen, then i get a timeout, its been like this for two weeks.

and now... even support tickets are broken.

[junior igloo]

nerf the model

I think the primetime buff is targeting pre-meditated 3rd-partying (where you actively decide not to go to a vault or insert a cashbox). But the real third partying issue rn is that once there are two cashouts in, people would choose to go to the contested cashout over the uncontested cashout. This does not fix that and actually exacerbates it, making it a nightmare for the first team that contests the cashout/the second party (what did they do to deserve it?

Imagine this scenario. There are two teams that have inserted cashouts and you and the fourth team are fighting it out. You wipe them and start making your way to cashout A. You will probably lose the fight or at least take a long time to chip away at their extra health before finally properly contesting them. The best case scenario is your team manages to wipe the team, perhaps with one of your teammates barely clinging to life. Then the team u wiped earlier comes in to clean ur last teammate up and claims the cashout

SOLUTION: Make it so that anyone within a 30m radius gets the primetime buff, but it has a CAPACITY OF 2 TEAMS. It's first come first serve. If there are already two teams in the radius of the cashout the third-partying team does not receive the buff. That way it COMPLETELY discourages third partying unless its required for them to win (in chaotic overtimes, etc). Idk how well this would work tho esp considering new players would have a hard onboarding experience

[earnest siren]

Same. Unfortunately I cannot play until matchmaking balancing is fixed. It maxes out my frustration when my team is being outkilled on average 4-to-1. I understand it's a casual mode, but my team hasn't won in more than 15 games and we've been getting absolutely demolished.

Maybe people are creating new accounts, maybe they're much higher level players, or maybe they have aimbot, I don't know. All I know is it needs to be looked into.

I do want to add that the game itself is amazing and I've been very impressed and enjoying it a lot (up until this matchmaking issue started).

[versed hazel]

delete kyoto

[quick coyote]

i didnt no gameplay of mine has been found to be cheating but keep talking on something you know nothing about

[rough hinge]

Triple stacks of anything should not be a thing in this game, limit everything to 2 per team.

[stray siren]

I've been noticing this I get some people are good at games but theres no way it's all new players top fragging in a majority of matches some of them definitely have to be Smurf accounts

[mossy cape]

revert the scar but make the hipfire worse, revert the v9s, revert the xp54, 49 dmg pike

[graceful hollow]

Let me remind you out of the two of us who is banned for cheating. Perhaps move on to other games and control your urges better.

[vapid plinth]

I agree but for pre made 3 player teams only. MAYBE for weapons I can agree on the 2 max limit at any time but it'd be annoying to solo queue into a game midway through and not be able to play your main

[brisk stump]

d/c'd and reconnected and finished a game but still got a 5 min matchmaking suspension ?

[odd ibex]

How do u see a big difference with v9s?
Yes pike should nerf hipfire,fire rate and have 49 dmg

93r and revolver should have acog sights

Dagger should be one tap like before plus u can hold

[glossy root]

Bro I got a week long suspension for “cheating” on Xbox, you can’t cheat on Xbox, went to support but they just said the same thing that their confident in their anti cheat

[wraith igloo]

Having two separate queues for party and solo players would probably solve most of the issue. Losing solo would at least then feel more tolerable because you know everyone else is playing with the same randoms.

[unborn garnet]

Can we get an update on why am I forced to close and relaunch game to connect to every new match in cashout or ranked? This is infuriating

[gentle seal]

Mfw my game crashed during ranked and got me banned from playing ranked for 3 days like wtf? I'm on psn as well and it said for cheating like HOW.

[quick coyote]

Arrow ranked system add it back or make it possible to choose between arrows or Numbers… Numbers are so stressfull

[vestal igloo]

Please embark,Xbox users all fckd rn,fix this rn

[fair ingot]

funny coming from a funny guy

[red spear]

I would really love to see the ability to change the main screen theme and the menu music/win themes. I miss the vibes of season 2.

[tribal spoke]

Please fix the dual blades reflect buff its dps and increase its reach

[sharp willow]

nerfing the pike by 5 dps is not nerfing the fucking gun u dumbass devs

[rocky furnace]

i think you are lying i don't see any stuttering
clearly you are hacking to fly in the air longer

I think federale is also a cheater (that's why his game crashes a lot)
(Trust me I'm Embark 100%)
Nezzel I think you spelled guarantee wrong

[quaint forge]

Lmao

[sharp bolt]

This is fine. The heal beam now wiggles so it's okay. We'll work on this later. - Embark

(Trust me I'm Embark 100%)

[prisma hinge]

No match suspension if your game crashes 🙄🤡

[mint notch]

are you part of the embark team? (you can edit your message to reply)

thank you mr. embark

[shadow stirrup]

maybe next season we will get good matchmaking

[rough hinge]

I dont agree, 3 classes per team max... Its so unfun wiping 2/3 then the third comes in with defib then defib again then defib again having to wipe teams twice then do the same for the next team.

IDK why im still typing in here I can guarentee not a single dev has ever looked at this chat

[gritty jetty]

Healing beam was literally unusable before today

[mossy cape]

dps for v9s straight up got an all around nerf it feels horrible to use now. its just a worse m11 now.

[vapid plinth]

I think that's moreso a defib balance problem. But after thinking about it I agree, fighting a team of 3 anything almost never seems fair or fun to fight

[odd ibex]

Yes pike should nerf hipfire,fire rate and have 49 dmg and low headshot multiplier cause medium has more health and doesn’t need a fast time to kill,wtf is this call of duty medium class fast time to kill plus long range?!!!💥

93r and revolver should have acog sights

93r should be 4 round burst and v9s should have 390rpm fixed fire rate no matter how fast u click

Dagger should be one tap like before plus u can hold

The rpg could have more damage area radius but still needs a player damage nerf and revert reload speed nerf(makes no difference).

[quick coyote]

So I guess fixing lag isn’t a priority.. so tired of having to play quick cash..

[earnest fossil]

Simple suggestion: Give Medium the thermal drill. They are lacking in demolition capability. Why not Breech charge? Because they have no movement

[fading flame]

Can lh1 deal more damage than the pike

[hot wyvern]

r. 357 holo sight reticle is bugged, i keep scoping into my wrist and not the scope

[obsidian delta]

Welcome to feedback, not everyone agrees with your perspective, grab a joint and chill out,

Aka remove primetime

[vestal igloo]

Xbox users need help Embark.

[sleek flame]

Shotguns is all im seeing now, automatics are effectively useless, buff the autos for every class to be viable in close range

[glacial sierra]

please implement some XIM detection 😐

[strange ermine]

The KS-23 needs some love besides doing increased structural damage. Did y'all forget that it's also supposed to kill people? The damn thing is a precision weapon that you've refused to allow us to ADS with, despite it having ironsights already attached to the weapon model. If you're gonna go this route could you at the very least increase the projectile size? It's unreasonably difficult to use this thing in close quarters. If you miss even once you're fucked, which is remarkably easy to do with a single shot carbine.

[coral forum]

V9S
Decreased fire rate from 430 RPM to 360 RPM
Increased damage from 37 to 40

Dev Note: These changes have been made to prevent various methods where players could ensure they got the effective maximum fire rate from the weapon through use of specific binds, causing it to be highly effective compared to its intended baseline. The damage increase has been applied to offset some of the ‘effective DPS’ the weapon lost with the decreased fire rate. Overall, the effectiveness of the weapon for regular players should not be massively different

Original V9S DPS: 265
Fire Rate: 430 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 37

Updated V9S DPS: 240
Fire Rate: 360 RPM (rounds per minute)
Damage per shot: 40

DPS Reduction = 25

If you want to reduce the fire rate while maintaining the damage the weapon does please make the RPM 400. (with 40 damage per shot)

My Preposed V9S Configuration:
RPM: 400 (reduced by 30)
Damage per shot: 40 (increased by 3)
DPS: 400 * 40 / 60 = ≈ 266.67 (similar to the original DPS)

Side note: who is asking for this??? LOL I'm in this channel at least once a day and have never seen anyone complaining about the V9S.

[mossy cape]

primetime in the final round should be disabled, pike still hasnt received any meaningful nerfs, revert the v9s. also season 3 lh1 got nerfed in a week meanwhile the pike is still dominating lobbies across most mmr brackets after 2 weeks

[somber axle]

Reduce the time it takes to Charge the Dagger or Revert it to instant attack

[odd ibex]

Yes pike should nerf hipfire,fire rate and have 49 dmg and low headshot multiplier cause medium has more health and doesn’t need a fast time to kill,wtf is this call of duty medium class fast time to kill plus long range?!!!💥

93r and revolver should have acog sights

93r should be 4 round burst and v9s should have 390rpm fixed fire rate no matter how fast u click

Dagger should be one tap like before plus u can hold

The rpg could have more damage area radius but still needs a player damage nerf and revert reload speed nerf(makes no difference).

[tall cradle]

The new data reshaper change made it worse with an insignificant upside. Knowing the rotation allowed me to get the barrel I need for the situation I'm in. I genuinely do not care about glitch barrels even existing in the game. You could've put them anywhere in the rotation, why make it random after a certain point? That one change eliminate half the usefulness of the gadget, making it more niche, instead of versatile.

[unborn garnet]

Bruh ranked loss is too much. We can literally go down more than 1 tier

[cerulean dust]

increase spread of m26 potentially but def buff the damage. 4-5 shots on target doesn't kill medium

[barren coral]

Hit opponents 20 times with arena carriables or cash boxes is a nightmare please replace it

[vestal igloo]

PLEASE thanks.

[native stream]

When are they gonna add the Halloween content update

[ripe pike]

does this game just hate starlink or is it still fucked? getting stuck in loading screens, and getting ranked timeouts is getting fucking old

[warped wraith]

please nerf the pike bro i shouldnt be getting 4 shot at shot gun range bro

[opal ocean]

Can we make objective and support score the main feature on this game to promote team play?

I genuinely just had a game with 8k damage, 4k support and 12 revives but am called bad by the light with 11k damage and 200 support and zero objective play.

It's not even about ego and showing off. It's about promotion of what's important in the game. People still see most kills = best player. Which is ridiculous in a game like this.

[blazing tendon]

can i talk about feedback on how stupid light classes are here ?

[tropic root]

A lot of people are complaining about defib being too effective. Why not just give statues a defib time limit? time runs out, you'll have to manually revive them. or the other way around, you need to wait a few seconds before you can defib them, preventing defib spamming

[desert trail]

I don't know if this has been mentioned but the Power Shift Seoul map is messed up since the update. Some buildings are appearing solid but you fall through them.

[stray rampart]

Add potato launcher for medium, not skin. As an actual weapon

[versed hazel]

honestly the one change that would make defib more tolerable is just making it so that you have to survive the defib animation in order for it to actually count as a successful res

[glossy iron]

just had that happen but it was being shunted downwards and being stuck in place. We had the platform all the way to their side and about to win and it felt like a giant lag spike hit for everyone on my team and we were falling thru buildings and getting stuck in place it cost us the game

[umbral rampart]

Yeah, unfortunately that is what the feedback area is always full of.

People claiming dead game/Threats to leave. (They're still here/Will still play)
People(Light players) demanding they buff Light to godlike status.
Demanding things while also calling the devs names and general disrespect.
Complain about [x], insist they change it because they know best, and what everyone wants.
Reposts 'until the devs see it'.

Must be a real headache to have to read through all of this just for the few posts that offer ideas for something they don't like. Anything well thought out.

[flint fossil]

no

[swift crater]

we need a thermal rework, make it so its easy to know if ur in smoke or not and make the world just more gray scale and not compleatly black and colorless and make enemys glow the color of the team there from same with there equipment like mines and turrets

[keen lily]

fix the smoke it's fucking dumb that you cannot see the guy stealing the cashout AT ALL if there is the smoke, even when running literally face checking the cashout around

[sharp bolt]

Idk bro, seems to me that is intended...

[vestal igloo]

Xbox players need help plz embark @fickle linden thanks a lot man,vegas too 😦

[quick coyote]

what person cheats on their favorite game and spends 1k+ of their own money. If my IQ is above 30 i wouldn't do that shit

[opal ocean]

PLEASE HELP US. Kyoto is unplayable especially!

[fickle linden]

No worries, we've already let the team know about these issues

[graceful hollow]

What if it isn't? You tell me, you did it.

[lunar plaza]

fix the bug when you load after reconnecting to the game with a standard medium set without the ability to choose a setup you created yourself, and not the fucking one the game gives you. I want to play the game after reconnecting with my set, and not with some crap that will make me feel disgusted to play, because the standard medium set is complete shit. Also make items cheaper for newbies. My friend logged in and immediately left the game because he was sick of farming shit currency, which you need to overdo a lot. Make the prices like in open beta

[odd ibex]

Yes pike should nerf hipfire,fire rate and have 49 dmg and low headshot multiplier cause medium has more health and doesn’t need a fast time to kill,wtf is this call of duty medium class fast time to kill plus long range?!!!💥

93r and revolver should have acog sights

93r should be 4 round burst and v9s should have 390rpm fixed fire rate no matter how fast u click

Dagger should be one tap like before plus u can hold

The rpg could have more damage area radius but still needs a player damage nerf and revert reload speed nerf(makes no difference).

[lunar geode]

Less about the game and more about the TRAILERS

THIS SEASON TRAILER GOES SOOO HARD, gave me soo many nerd shivers like the beta and season 1 tailers did.
i felt like they stopped and went for more game pov based trailers for seasons 2 and 3 but they definitely delivered haardd for season 4's!!

id love to see more, let those animators WORK!!

[fervent coral]

You have a glitch on the game where the floor doesn’t show its broken

[torpid sky]

nerf pike (dmg,hipfire accuracy and dmg fall off at max range)

nerf model dmg directly

[ionic surge]

Where is the multibucks reward when ranking-up in world tour?

[silk shadow]

Can we please get a goo gun nerf, saw someone cocooning trophies. Then they built a giant goo ship and flew their team at me with it. Seems like way too much utility for a heavy

[night vortex]

I’ve seen the goo cocoon on trophies as well. Denying utility like like that is obviously broken.

[coral axle]

Performance have been poor since patch 3.14. Please add fixes like FSR3 and DLSS 3.5

also steam launch options are not working on linux please fix

[real marlin]

😅

[quick coyote]

HEY HEY FIX UR GOD DAMN GAME seriously fix ur gameee

[foggy ginkgo]

Pikes already been nerfed get better please🙏🏾

[ionic grail]

It’s a meaningless nerf.

It makes it less powerful against medium and heavy on paper but still 2H0B or 0H3B a light, it’s slightly less effective at range, but even then it’s still overtuned to fuck.

It needed a range, rpm and hipfire nerf to make it less optimal at all ranges.

[strange ermine]

Insane that you say this as a light when the nerf negatively affects y'all the most. 7 points is nothing when it still only takes 3 shots to the body to kill y'all. The Pike needs to be 49 per shot at the most.

[olive adder]

so nobody gonna play pike

[versed hazel]

most guns kill the light in 2-4 shots bro. pike dmg is fine - get gud loser

[ruby raft]

I just played a full match of powershift where it was me and two other players against a full team, it didn't bother to fill the other two spots until the very literal end of the match, like 2 seconds before the game ended. I still feel like Embark's approach to matchmaking is fucking insane.

[last mirage]

nah, cocooning trophies are balanced for where it is because of how badly implemented defibs are at the moment. setting up goo cocoons takes time to do and is meant to keep players hostage that are in your zone. it also stops defib chaining better than what mines could ever do. goo isn't a material that locks trophies up forever, you can just shoot away the material to get your friend back pretty easily. so when you aren't fighting people, this isn't an issue. If you run into more goo defenses, then carry more fire grenades, or run guns that can shred through goo. the flying machines, though, need to be looked at yes.

[autumn sedge]

Tbh the only thing I find to be undeservingly above average for the pike is the hip fire. Besides that it's alright right now

[keen abyss]

devs could have just made pulling the mesh shield out have a longer animation so there can be a skill ceiling of how you juggle the mesh shield

[night vortex]

Googun needs to be able to cover trophies like they do mines and turrets. #MakeGoogunGreat

[violet elbow]

new v9s feels like dogshit, stop making guns feel worse because people struggle to use them

[floral shoal]

If a game is in a tie when the timer runs out, the deciding factor should come down to who has the larger score totals when combined (Combat, Support, Objective).

[finite galleon]

when LH1 was broken on S3 release everyone hated it and got it nerfed on the first week, even though it wasn't as big of an issue cuz RPG was still a free kill against light

but when pike is a better LH1 and is on medium and is dominating every lobby, it's balanced and "get gud". Hypocrisy at it's finest.

[strange ermine]

Being a braindead apologist for the absolute state of the worst class in the game is fucking crazy. Keep shooting yourself in the foot, man. Those loss statistics look great!

[paper oak]

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-bros-wonder-talking-flower-template-mario-wonder-meme-gif-7964213445666430726

[versed hazel]

ur just bad bro idk what to tell u 💀

[tired fable]

I am just playing Play Fast! (here we go) - The Finals S1 OST pack

Holy nostalgia !
I were ready to blast everything when I heard this
MAKE A PLAYLIST MENU WITH ALL SEASONS TRACKS PLZ PLZ PLZ 🙏

[nova garnet]

Agree, the music is too good to be only for a single season

[thick sorrel]

Nobody asked for V9S DPS nerf, If you want to fix the macro abuser, just compensate it with the damage 1:1 to match the DPS like before or better.

In the meantime Model is untouched for 4 Seasons!
A slightly wider spread cone is all it needs, like they did with SH1900:
Increased the size of the pellet dispersion pattern, making the weapon less accurate at range
Dev Note: We've wanted for a while to make the SH1900 more effective against Heavies without making it oppressive for Lights. With higher pellet dispersion the SH1900 is now optimized for very close range only

Model needs a similar treatment to reduce the midrange effectiveness!

[primal frost]

I've noticed that gooing a light with dash doesnt always prevent them from using dash

also while im here, gooing someone with dash should prevent dash from recharging
and when's the 93r buff 😢

[opal ruin]

Bring poweshift to ranked and World Tour

[unique wasp]

with medium is as strong as it is, one thing that sounds nice is making breach on heavy and light alike significantly better.

Heavy's options for breach have become increasingly limited over time mostly through the nerfs to C4's count and usage on carriables. Light's have recently been expanded, but their options are mostly significantly slower compared to Medium's demat, which is handily the best combat breach in the game and can make their indoor movement pretty unparalleled for a class that, prior to demat's introduction, had that as a weakness relative to the other two classes. It'd be nice for other classes to have more potential options to quickly breach and attack from surprise angles and, on top of that, just stronger demo in general to make it easier to remove high ground.

[flint prawn]

Pls add hud opacity slider for oled owners.

[wind meteor]

What do you mean "a game is in a tie when the timer runs out"? I never had a tied game. Overtime in cash out is a just enough time to finish cashing out, and maxed at 1 minute. Powershift has overtime when the team controlling the platform are on the opposing team's side. Quick cash ends after one team completes 2 cash out... what kind of ties are you talking about?

@floral shoal Oh! Never happened to me, and honestly, all teams should lose if they don't manage to do it 😂

[floral shoal]

Quick Cash, when multiple teams are sitting at 1 deposit each and the timer runs out. The team that wins is arbitrary if there's no deposit happening.

[odd ibex]

Yes pike should nerf hipfire,fire rate and have 49 dmg and low headshot multiplier cause medium has more health and doesn’t need a fast time to kill,wtf is this call of duty medium class fast time to kill plus long range?!!!💥

93r and revolver should have acog sights

93r should be 4 round burst and v9s should have 390rpm fixed fire rate no matter how fast u click

Dagger should be one tap like before plus u can hold

The rpg could have more damage area radius but still needs a player damage nerf and revert reload speed nerf(makes no difference).

[nimble kiln]

At least make it have the same dps lmao, they nerfed the weapon for no reason

[violet elbow]

all that did was just make people not have to click fast, they effectively nerfed the gun for anyone who uses it normally

[patent sphinx]

Facts.

[thick sorrel]

Model 1887 needs a wider spread cone for less midrange damage!
Like they did with SH1900:
Increased the size of the pellet dispersion pattern, making the weapon less accurate at range
Dev Note: We've wanted for a while to make the SH1900 more effective against Heavies without making it oppressive for Lights. With higher pellet dispersion the SH1900 is now optimized for very close range only

[last mirage]

LH1 was broken throughout S1 to S3 because of how much better it was to the sr-84. it was a better, more consistent, version of sr-84 that by adding a scope to the weapon it would just make the sr-84 pointless in design. so I understood why it was nerfed. but the pike didn't need to be on the medium class for how it is meant to be handled long-ranged. light was THE zoner archetype for the finals, adding the zoner archetype to medium makes light pointless in that aspect, since why would you be the class that has high-risk high-reward when you can have low-risk high-reward. pike to the medium, is like reopening a can of worms like with the fcar back in S1. and I'm glad Embark had more suspicions about the weapon needing more nerfing in the patch notes. as the light class strengths and weaknesses are you guys tend to die quickly against some weapons, I feel like some people in the community are growing resentment towards light; because of how quickly some of your weapons kill, how many gadgets that are annoying to fight against, and how many weapons that are balanced for medium and heavy tend to get nerfed because of light being too weak for them (getting killed from a model 1887.) So light needs to have some of his weapons give more health, like 50 more health for short-ranged weapons, and 25 heath for medium-ranged weapons, while also adjusting the damage output to be more fair for everyone involved. some weapons that rely on being short-range need more health and other long-range weapons don't need that extra health.

[marble pollen]

Good job embark with the 4.2 patch there is some very good changes very quickly into the season. Love to see it

[solar horizon]

Is there a feature request channel or google forms link somewhere? A reddit post i saw had such a good idea i want to see if the official channels know

[signal basin]

Let Light live in your game and bugg them !

[echo urchin]

Stfu

[unreal fossil]

Regarding S4 weapons:

The Pike will see further nerfs in the future. Embark devs have clearly stated in the patch notes that they felt it would still be overtuned after 4.2. I agree that it's still too strong in close range fights. RoF and hipfire nerfs would make sense.

I really find Deagles to be well balanced overall. Right click accurate fire is devastating at mid range, but they're more cumbersome to use up close. The weapon doesn't feel frustrating, whichever side of the barrel you're on. Damage at longer ranges may be slightly high, though. The best weapon addition of this season IMO, not to mention the aesthetic badassness.

I have less playtime with the M26. It only works well at almost point blank range like the SH1900, so it's definitely not OP.

Regarding 4.2 changes.

Glad the CL40 got well deserved nerfs. I saw less players use it, those who did sometimes killed themselves if they were dumb with it. Good.

I haven't tried the MS yet, but I still disagree with the tweaks. Mostly because I found MS 'juggling' actually took skill to be effective, and could be countered.

But if the activation cooldown is to stay, set it to one value regardless of HP count. A random hit on the shield is enough to double its cooldown... it would be slightly more logical if it had 100% HP each time it was activated, but that's not the case.

[frigid lotus]

Sheldon merch plushie PLEASE

[sour cedar]

Please, pretty please. Fix this goddamn matchmaking Embark.

I love this game so damn much and I wanna have fun with it, but when I get paired with nothing but the sweatiest 3-stack defib mediums tryhards in CASUAL GAMEMODES, where my team just wipes 5 times in a row? All the fun and uniqueness of the game is just gone.
I'm a decisively mid player, so why do I keep going up against people who do 12/2? Does the player base consist of only 90% pro aim trainer MLG strat types VS 10% people who can't find the W key?

You also keep nerfing all of the counters towards these playstyles (glitch mines, heavy shields, etc), because they were too efficient in high-ELO matchmaking.
But the effects on the casual play is absolutely devastating, and I feel punished for trying to play any type of playstyle that isn't that meta.

If this is by design, then this game is going to have to go on the back of the shelf. And I'll honestly be fucking heartbroken about it.

[woven crane]

I totally agree with this 💯, nobody was even complaining about the gun. I feel like I have ghost clicks now

[glacial marsh]

When they hand out the emerald rewards for season 3 maybe they could also announce how many rewards they handed out for each rank, something like "x amount of players reached emerald 1" kind of thing.
Would be pretty neat to see how many people achieved which rank, and those who did reach em1 would get a more sense of accomplishment knowing how many, or few, also did. ❤️

[maiden kernel]

if you think embark is changing stuff only based on "high-elo" then you're lost

[fiery saddle]

how is the RPG still after so many seasons doing more self damage its not fair capping the damage to 100 but allowing it to do more than that to myself

[sinful snow]

Small thing, but it would be cool if there was a system that can show you what you can buy with the amount of multibucks you have. Asc/Des, Color, Area, etc

[foggy dragon]

For emerald & ruby achievements, make it so the weapon you used most during your playtime in the season will be your ruby or emerald weapon.

This will break the meta and incentives players to play a different gun that they really want in ruby or emerald.

It will also be a bigger achievement if you as a player have a very difficult gun in emerald, something you can really brag with.

[keen lily]

nobody brags about anything achieved in the finals, what earth are you living on dude XD

[flint jungle]

It is difficult for them to deliver a predefined weapon, imagine how long it will take if they have to do it by using a player weapon...

[clever hawk]

Because it’s on the class with 350 health.

100 damage is 66% of a Light’s health, 40% of a Medium’s, & just 28% of a Heavy’s.

Increasing self-damage means you can’t just shoot it at your feet & easily win the trade.

[thick sorrel]

Just don't shoot your toe. The Penalty is meant to keep you from doing so. Same goes for CL-40. If it's not punishing enough people would still abuse this mechanic...

@unreal fossil Most non biased feedback so far!

The AKIMBO Midrange capability upsets me the most - other than that it's fine. Would love to see left click for left Deagle and right click for right Deagle instead.

[atomic crow]

did something happen to SBMM? i am silver 4 and every game i join into has at least 1 team which is all emerald 1 and it just ruins my fun. this happens both in casual and in world tour.

[warm vapor]

Out of 5 ranked games in 3 we were 2.. I shouldn't be punished for leaving a game when we are 2 or even 1... its pointless and I just lose time and at least -500 ranked points... EMBARK you need to figure this one out, many people leave or maybe just crash and do not come back... if a whole team leaves does not affect the other teams, thus is not destroying their game but it does for us who are left ingame by themselves... PLEASE DO SOMETHING. EDIT just happend again, I have screenshot EMBARK if you need them. this is BS.....

[little furnace]

**please add a system where while you are queuing for a game, you can join a practice range to... well... practice. **

[full dragon]

World Tour SBMM is screwed. I'm Bronze 3 and I'm against a team of DIAMONDs? Wasn't a close match at all. Didn't encounter this last season.

EDIT: Two matches in a row, both had Diamond opponents.

[gritty escarp]

fix light sword + dash. its too fucking broken and people are abusing the hell out of it. even in casual-comp modes like WT and this is a serious issue for anyone worth their salt in fps game-making to fix and since we've seen an uprise in players in a f2p game the amount of cheaters has been increasing aswell, soft aimbot, aimbot, invincibility and yes light sword dash players sometimes are using invicibility aswell.

[sour cedar]

Nowhere did I state that's their only thought when balancing, but this is how the current situation feels to a "silver at best" type of player. Anything effective at countering tryharding in casual games is killed, because it works even better in high rank comp.

@atomic crow
Yeah I feel exactly the same, it's insane how there's so many high skilled players just wiping the map in casual modes rn. It kills the fun so fast. I've also encountered the same aimbotting light in 3 consecutive WT matches and I just don't wanna touch the game anymore. Sucks, because I love it!

[modest monolith]

Am I the only one that didn't receive my multi bucks from seaon 3 rewards?

[signal basin]

Oh by the way again. BUFF LIGHT FOR FUCK SAKES.

No fkign way they are usefull in your game. They die to fast and they can't do damage.

Do something for give them a place in the meta ffs

[mental sky]

People are dogshit at balancing bro dw

[fiery saddle]

but if its against another heavy surly both parties should recieve the same damage? i agree doing it point blank should punish the player but to receive 156 damage to myself last game when I directly hit another heavy and only doing 100 to them seems punishing. There has also been times where I've received too much damage for something I'm not even close to as well as directly hitting an enemy and doing hardly anything it just feels very inconsistent.

[stoic lintel]

Is it common to lose a game of power shift with 20 kills but only to get 950xp? I joined games that lasted no more than 10 seconds that gave me 800xp. How is xp distributed?

[jolly sky]

I am moderately sure it is just disabled this season. Matches feel like a constant clown fiesta either a stomp one way or the other.

[foggy dragon]

NO RUBY BADGE IS VERY SAD, PLEASE FIX

[dusty totem]

The V9S nerf was an unjust and unnecessary measure, its intent was to punish cheaters but it just ended up punishing long time users of the weapon who now have to get used to a worse close range LH1

Instead of tackling the exploit that allowed for users of macros to bypass the anti cheat and with that the set fire rate of the weapon, why have the devs chosen to nerf the weapon altogether? I feel like that is not the approach that was needed to be taken here, but rather, the devs should focus on punishing the users of those external programs/devices and fixing those exploits, not in changing a perfectly solid weapon because of something external to the game itself.

Also, an easy fix to users that would use the mouse wheel to up its fire rate was just removing the ability to bind stuff to it.

[unreal fossil]

Nah, this would work for controllers, but I'd hate it with MKB. What they've done instead with the 'ADS' stance is very good. You pretty much have to right click with Deagles to hit your targets, except it makes you a slow/immobile target, which is a good tradeoff. The same power with very accurate hipfire would have been hellish.

[small spruce]

the pike should not be able to hipfire effectively increase its bloom.
Drop the mag size down so it's only effective if your spacing your shots from mid to long rage and not just a stronger light dmr

make the aps stronger to deal with the cl40 spam it's still happening

give the fcar 2 to 3 more damage drop the mag size down by 5 and decrease recoil for the first 4 to 6 shots.
The fcar should be the hard hitting hit your shots weapon right now every thing else has me at half before the I can get my shots on target

[dense willow]

Bring back solo back it

[jolly pawn]

☝️
And Treyway is still in Ruby

Naaah, this is a joke, S3 ranked is/was a complete fucking joke, I'm never doing ranked again after this

[heavy hare]

Weren't we supposed to get multibucks for season 3 wt?

[mighty cedar]

Its clear that these devs have no clue how to balance things by the way they changed the cl40 to be useless again. Fix your stupid ass balance

[round hornet]

In regards to medium's weapons, the writing is clearly on the wall for the pike and the model. Both are overturned and likely going to be nerfed hard very soon. And while that may be deserved, the current state of affairs combined with embark's tendency for heavy handedness would leave the famas as medium's only decent gun. Some may point to the akm, but I am of the opinion that the akm has always been underperforming. It simply remained popular due to never being as bad as the fcar and famas at their worst. And with how universally people seem to regard the famas as feeling terrible, I believe a rebalance is in order for all three of medium's assault rifles. My changes would be as follows:

For the akm I'd like to see it trade hipfire cones with the fcar and get bumped up to 21 damage. Then have it's falloff range change to 28-35 meters instead of 30-37.5, just to enforce as the shortest range rifle.

Fcar should go down to 490(from the current 540) rpm, but get it's old 25 damage and 20 ammo back. Also a 60% modifier at max falloff, and the aforementioned hipfire trade with the akm(this is a nerf).

Famas is in need of the least changes. It should simply have no horizontal recoil and a 65% modifier at maximum falloff range. Possibly a larger hipfire cone.

I believe these changes would be enough to allow all three rifles to be both distinct and useful, but not overtuned.

[split mist]

Yall should add a custom the finals mouse cursor

[static mural]

Pls don't nerf model, I'm nothing without the model. ty

[night temple]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1294274843239518318

[autumn sedge]

Please make the ranked weapon skin rewards more diverse. Some weapons already are getting to 3(AKM or m60 for example) while most weapons have had none.

[sullen ridge]

I didn’t either!

[viral comet]

Idk. pike I agree with. It should operate exactly like the L Sniper as far as its range and damage drop.

Model I’m heavily conflicted on. It has a pretty moderate ttk with a heavily punishing learning curve. Does its range need looked at? Yes. Could the spread be changed slightly yes. But anything heavy handed would just kill the gun completely and that would be sad in a season where skill based shooting has gone so far out the window up the street and almost out of the galaxy this season.

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 47)

[boreal wagon]

Hey can we actually nerf the pike for real? Bringing it to 52 dmg still makes it 3 shots to light, still makes it 5 shots to M. It only nerfed it against heavies by one extra shot. Either lower it to 49 dmg or give it damage drop off.

iirc lh1 got hard nerfed in ONE week but now pike which is a better Lh1 is allowed to exist..?

How does light sniper have dmg drop AND bullet travel time past 80 now but pike doesnt have any of that..

@round hornet model has not been nerfed once since open beta. It DOMINATED the game all of s3 and they refuse to nerf it. The recent pike nerf makes almost no difference. Medium has been a broken class when stacked since the start of this game and that will never change. Dont worry M is safe.

[daring plover]

Can you please bring back the big wipe penalty. Or at least make it 20%. It will definitely make the game better. And it will prevent most third party.

[woven atlas]

@pearl kiln @rare spear @frozen heath @quick coyote Hey, I was top 514 s3 and I’ve been waiting so long for the cheaters to get banned and get the ruby I deserved so hard my friend was top 511 and now he is 157 and I am 544 how the heck guys I swear I did play fairly do something please my embark id is FizzyRock#3271 thank you, and sorry to bother.

[round hornet]

Raw ttk doesn't matter as much for the model. It is a burst damage weapon that offers full mobility, so you don't have to commit to a firing position like a rifle.

The problem with the model is the damage more than the range. Being able to vaporize lights or face check heavies when both classes are (for the most part) balanced around close range power is a bit much for the mid range support.

Lost my reply lmao @viral comet

[graceful snow]

Can we get an option to chose which weapons we want to have the gold/platinum/etc. ranked reward for?