👂┇game-feedback

[paper oak]

buff the revolver and the aps turret prolbem solved

[frozen glen]

The cl-40 and pike have made triple M even more oppressive than it already was. I'm only in silver and all I see is triple M stacks with CL-40,pike, and famas or ak. It's literally unplayable, mainly due to the fact that CL-40 has essentially 0 counter play. Aps got nerfed so it can't even block ONE MAG. And rushing them to punish the splash damage doesn't work because they take basically no damage from their own explosions. This is EXACTLY why an ON IMPACT grenade launcher should never do more than 95 damage in this game in my opinion. Not to mention that most people in this game are wierd and will run 2 or 3 of them on a team. It's the most skill less gun in the game at the moment and it needs to go back to how it was in season 3.

[indigo sandal]

it's too spammy/random

[tropic wasp]

Yea the cl40 needs to be nerfed. It's to spammy is spot on

[graceful lion]

you absolutely need to get rid of the do x damage from 50m or more challenge its god fucking awful

[dapper geode]

Leveling up specialization is boring imo.. Not much reward than a few stickers and charms. Why not make hitting lvl 5 (or make new lvl 6) reward you with an intro that interacts with your specialization...? For example you are holding your heal beam and it shoots one of your teammates on intro, or the light is waving bye and slowly becomes invisible?

[elfin dock]

FIX THE BUG WHERE IF YOU CHANGE SOMETHING WHILE SPECTATING YOU'R TEAMMATE AND IF HE DIES LOADOUT REVERTS BACK ITS ANNOYING

[vital grove]

Fix the game u fking idiots

[wraith pendant]

why TF are we buffing the GL and not re buffing the aps

[gleaming lance]

This please embark 🙏

[placid elm]

whoever thought buffing it that much was a good idea is truly an idiot

[manic steppe]

ABILITY TO USE A COIN MID ROUND TO CHANGE PRIMARY WEAPON OR GADGET!

[fringe schooner]

Daily reminder to split the matchmaking pool between console and PC. Wildly clear cqc advantage to PC, especially with ridiculous melee damage available to the quickest class in the game

[wintry oyster]

CL-40 in a nutshell:

Your ranked match feels like a scene from WW2. Mortars and Artillery everywhere.

I got PTBS from this update.

[graceful snow]

someone pls tell me why spear dmg is so inconsistant

[fleet heron]

CL40

[keen lily]

+1 on the ranking system, I think teams that are premade with 2 or 3 players should receive bonus points for the seeding compared to the solo q players. Around 30k you get 2 unlucky teammates and you lose 1,2k. To regain it you need to win 1 normal tournament or 2 easy ones, not fun.

[tame crag]

“Headshot 50 opponents from 50 meters or more” is a crazy challenge

Some maps you don’t even have sightlines of 50m

[waxen citrus]

Greetings! I am a Make-A-Wish Foundation associate and I am messaging on behalf of "Born"! His final dying wish is to get THE FINALS to center the HUD in-game! He has Stage 9 Death Disease and would love to see "Embark" add this option so "Ultrawide users can play the game without turning their head to see the health, ammo and other HUD data." Please add HUD BOUNDARIES so his wish can be fulfilled and he can pass happily!

[gritty umbra]

spear was poorly implemented. its normal attack is fine? i guess, stabbing feels inconsistent i feel bc of the precision you have to have, while all the other melee feel more like a swinging motion. i think if the spears secondary was a retrievable throwable itd feel alot better to use and be able to compete

[static mural]

CL40

[hasty widget]

so many things said with just one word

[delicate notch]

Yeah, though I main Light, I liked to play CL every now and then myself too. It was fun to outsmart ppl by combining your regular shots with mines and other grenades, like to lure them into traps to overpower them. The CL40 changes should be reverted imo, it was fine before. A weapon like the CL should not be a standard-pick, I think.

[sonic spoke]

please do a correlation analysis of aimbot reports to controller users. I suspect it is highly correlated and indicative of aimassist is over tuned

[upper citrus]

The different attacks deal different amounts of damage. The first hit does 65, second does 80, final hit does 90. Then the animation resets (this is for the left click)

[untold meadow]

how many times am i going to have to reset mid game so i can see the damn map again from that glitch....

[unreal fossil]

Did anyone else run into a bug when launching quick cash, where you're basically thrown into an ongoing game without the ability to choose your class ?

I pick my class based on what the others play + the map, it's frustrating to not be able to do that AND be assigned to a losing team halfway through the last cashout...

[serene ledge]

I think the best way to fix triple Medium is to limit the amount of people that can use the class in a team (2 per). Or, instead of limiting the class, limit the abilities in that class (again, 2 per).

[mossy otter]

PLEASE NERF CL 40

[fathom aurora]

Wher´s the info about player card badges and levels? do we have to guess?

[wind hemlock]

The balancing department needs firing ASAP. I've actually never seen so much incompetence

[charred ivy]

Agree, kind of. It is a hard one to do, because you want people to play premades (look at the current family friends etc. event), but in the same time, 3 stacks are in an insane advantage, and that is something i dislike, but, it is something in every ranked system. You cannot really do anything against it, as you cannot penaltize people for playing together.

There is just no answer to it, no real way to "balance" it.

[mystic pawn]

CL40

[valid bay]

Bump

[tropic wasp]

Everyday until it happens. I'm gonna day nerf cl-40 it's to spammy

[paper oak]

buff aps turret

[quartz cedar]

CL 40

[rain moth]

Cl 40 is the equivalent of fishing with sticks of dynamite, just fucking aim wherever and kill whatever without needing any ability. Why is a grenade launcher that outperforms the heavy’s one even an option on the medium?

[waxen vine]

Its unplayable, at least for me, every team has one and spamming it everywhere

[whole hemlock]

aint no way they didnt nerf the CL40
embark we need to have fun not lag the server out w CL40 spam and just no skill plays , just constant M1ing

[harsh plinth]

they did not

[gritty owl]

why do i get a penalty for leaving a ranked/world tour game when atleast one team mate already left? that makes no sense

[restive crow]

Ranked is fking broken, everyone is going for 3 M stack + 3 cl40 + 3 defibs. Bro lights are literally useless in ranked now and so are heavy.

[pallid harbor]

Remove TAA please and add option for higher ADS sensitivity +CL nerf.

[surreal meadow]

**EMBARK!!

DROP 5v5 CASH

AND MY WALLET IS YOURS!!! Day 27/100 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥**

PLEASE 5v5 CASH CHAIN GOING PLEASE

[echo urchin]

I’m starting to think that, given the prevalence of cheaters, weapons that “take a lot of skill to use and reward that” by having really low ttk, just give cheaters even more of an advantage and shouldn’t be in PvP games anymore. Mechanical skill should be a much lower component of success in PvP games, decision making, creativity, positioning, teamwork, planning, prioritizing, etc cetera should be what determines the winners because they don’t sell hacks for that shit.

[hushed nimbus]

I have come to the conclusion that the grenade launcher buff is extremely unnecessary

[lavish nimbus]

I’d recommend implementing a class limit to ranked given how toxic 3 mediums are to play against and given that 3 lights or heavies is basically throwing, so there’d be no experimentation lost out.

[keen lily]

it's not really punishing players playing together, but adding a small bonus to solo queue players would balance it

[coral forum]

To address the defib problem I present a potential solution.

(Ranked only) Defib will not be able to charge unless you are close enough to the player trophy. Similar to stealing a cashout or a hard revive (without defib). The difference is the time required to revive is cut in half when you have a defib. It will make hitting a defib a much more compromising move and will force better positioning and make it much more difficult to do durring a gunfight. Thoughts?.......

Statue: "I like the idea posted yesterday that glitch grenades could cancel a hologram of a reviving player from a defib." - I like this too, similar to how it cancels gateway.

[lime fable]

Sort the frames out on console forced to restart game after awhile as it becomes unplayable

[upper citrus]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QSrPENNR0Uo

this would be incredibly helpful to add

[scenic olive]

The game has real trouble (its crashes) when you alt tab which is a big problem if you want to use other apps like spotify or discord at the same time dont know if im the only one having this problem but please react to this if you have similar problems

[frank gull]

1. *L already regenerates the fastest, & Heal B. "Exists"
2. *L has best mobility+ specialization to combo, heavy has lunge & auto run with F.T. I believe. * M deserves a similar mechanic especially for blades if not implemented already
   Idea💡: Embark 🗣️ 📣 consider allowing to automatically attach to Zipline after placing it down
3. i was wondering if a rework happened... #👂┇game-feedback message if there would be a way to parry Melee, even Heavy (left trigger) attacks
   (No example...)

Side note: #👂┇game-feedback message
@icy falcon idea to be able to throw the spear may be a fun way to give heavy range after RPG nerf.

[twin cave]

Whoever is making these challenges smokes something good

(losing my mind trying to do that challenge)

[languid plume]

if they add a parry mechanic that would make melee kinda useless, using melee weapons in a game where most of the weapons are guns or ranged weapons is already hard as it is

[pseudo surge]

cl40 is a bit overpowered in my humble opinion and I do in fact run aps note it is very spammy and especially when all classes have nades aps is not enough no skill imo 600+ hours by far the worst weapon in the game rn

[keen heath]

It’s sad to see people not want Melee to be buffed enough to be good enough to be in Meta play

[covert yacht]

medium has 3 of the best wepons in the game best mobility, healing utility and it can never get nerfed but heavy is the problem

[tall jackal]

Yo wtf is this challenge, game? Get 5 kills from 40 meters or more with gadgets? I cant fucking snipe someone with a grenade twice! This challenge is way too hard ive been trying all damn day and i aint got shit

[gritty bough]

Can we get black shorts without the leggins???? please

[upper granite]

CHALLENGE FEEDBACK (NEEDS CHANGE IMO)
Chat anyone else think the new "kill 5 enemies from 40 meters away" challenge should be changed??

[wind meteor]

question for the engimo stage 2 circuit: how am i supposed to get 50 headshots from 50m or more away? I am medium, and almost never used a sniper. I tried to use the pike, I managed a few headshots, only to find it was less than 50m away. so after 10 powershifts, i m only 3/50

[mortal ridge]

Why the fuck are my randoms disconnecting while we're in first place? Soloq experience is god damn awful

[modern echo]

Happened to me today also .....

[tall kernel]

HEY EMBARK, I LOST 1,000 RANK POINT 2 TIMES IN A ROW CAUSE MY TEAMATES CRASHED OR LEFT. PLEASE MAKE IT SO I DONT GET PENALIZED

[waxen hornet]

ive been at the range testing the beretta again the buffs given to it are step forward but i still feel like its lacking something to really make it shine.

i suggest increasing the ammo count to 30 and a better damage falloff at least to have less downtime. i know you guys are not too keen on scopes for the thing so i would just like more bullets to make it more flexible

[cosmic island]

Embark/Finals can you pls fix your F-ing Matchmaking pls for the love of god tell why I'm (Gold 3 in WT) get matched against plat 2 and above and mates Bronze 4 and 2, how am I even supposed to solo a round even as a heavy its not possible if you main Hammer and have Enemy's that play like they have a Aimbot with the pike. I'm just tired of trying to win a 1v9 all the time bc most mates I get with a few exceptions here and there to solo que and get Teammates that basically installed the game 5 minutes Ago, if you have a Matchmaking that should be 1 Priority of yours even Higher than weapon balancing and server stability. Right now matchmaking is just not there so Fix it asap.

[raw kite]

Hello embark, could you aadjust the sight system so we can choose if we want a sight or not in the lobby and not have to custom it with classes

[versed eagle]

REMOVE THE CL40, THANKS

[keen shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bath-gif-20962852

[young smelt]

the grenade launcher buff is genuinely autistic

[stray harness]

i havent played ranked much at all so idk what the cl40 buzz is about i got to gold 3 after the first couple days and let off

[tender arch]

NERF THE CL I BEG YOU

We are not crying, @autumn warren -- this is called game feedback for a reason?

[autumn warren]

They made it useable again and everyone is crying.

[knotty oasis]

Je te vois.

[tawdry tree]

2 Ranked games, two instant disconnect in the beginning in a raw, minus 1.800 points lose freely, thank you

[brittle obsidian]

allow for partial placement of barricades/improve placement across the board. it can be super janky at times

[pallid flare]

Ppl upset they can't face tank a grenade launcher that shoots 4 extremely slow rounds.

[whole hemlock]

extremely slow
powerful
and fast fire rate
YES
ITS ABSALOUTE BS

[lime flume]

the rain effect on ur screen is SO ANNOYING like i get that it creates more immersion or whatever but like at least make it stop when u go inside

[daring fossil]

"they made it useable again for people who can't aim" there I fixed it for you.

@torpid sky APS is not fine, it has like a 1% pick rate right now, it's useless and gets destroyed within 2 seconds of putting one down now. It should not destroy c4/breaches or mines, and it should have more health/charges, like 8

[sharp briar]

Add fish

[teal marsh]

For APS Turret gadget:

Greatly increase the lifetime of APS turrets (reduce or remove the projectile limit) but decrease the rate at which it can shoot down projectiles and blacklist it from removing mines.
The issues with previous APS I think didn’t actually stem from the infinite lifetime—it was the total shutdown of projectiles with a single gadget. With a rate limit, explosive weapons and grenades could still be utilized with some strategy even against someone sitting within the APS radius.

[torpid sky]

no aps is fine, nerf cl and make it dogshit again

[dull bloom]

Guys hear me out

What if alt animations for quick melee as a cosmetic?

[echo urchin]

The cl 40 should do way more self damage. It’s asinine that bunny hopping is enough for them negate what little there is and survive shooting point blank.

APS should block infinite items, except glitch grenades and glitch barrels: then 3 or so should kill it.

Mesh shield cool down should work like invis specialization’s.

[covert yacht]

why when they release a patch and all they do is nothing like why cant they just admit "sorry we fucked up" and nerf pike, model and CL40 and we would all be happy now 99% of the lobbys are mediums and its the most boring thing ever you die in 1 second with nothing you can do to it

[wooden timber]

Option to save outfits or 'favourite' items

[deep sierra]

Buff fcar please and I can’t believe that I’m saying this but reverse the nerf on mesh shield all heavy is right now is a slow medium with more health and different abilities. Make them the defensive side of heavy it’s strong side and go back to making the weapons less powerful.

[midnight abyss]

Y'all talking bout a gun that was bad, and got improved... BRO KYOTO FRIES MY SYSTEM.

Take it out of rotation to see what's the cause. I believe it's amount of overall vegetation in the map.

[wind moat]

remove cl40 from the game

[rough hinge]

Give them another week to sell the sh**ty paintball CL40 skin then it might get fixed

[winter vapor]

You're a medium, place a zip or jump pad, even both.

You shouldn't be compensated for lack of skill with nearly NO self damage.

The fact someone can get destroyed with a gun and never kill you, swap to that and destroy you is an issue.

It's unbalanced and catered for noobs.

[sleek plaza]

I recently started to play the game and i really love it, however one thing i struggle with is colorblindnes, specifically for the color red and red tones (orange, yellow and certain browns) this makes Enemey outlines, items really hard if not borderline impossible to see and certain maps like Sandstorm Las Vegas is not playable for me as i cannot see a single thing. So i wanted to ask if there’s any plans on a more fleshed out variant of the Colorblind setting or a setting where u can choose the colors for the HUD urself on top of the filter as opposed to just the HUD or if its not a priority atm? Love the Game and having alot of fun playing with my friend and i will continue to support it and i hope one day a thing like this could be implemented

[still marsh]

so again why did cl40 need a buff?

[gritty bough]

Cl-40 is gold! Please no NERF!
Make the Heavy weapons better!

[whole hemlock]

no bro.

[frail gull]

when u notice explosion make fps drop low and stutters since 3.14 WHY DEVS BUFF CL40 without fixing perf issues before , Now everybody have stutters during teamfight like we had in kyoto . Without fix in 2-3 weeks the finals we'll be back to 10K players

[frank gull]

*Someone found this.

[upbeat tree]

Haha! Not aiming is fun! 🙂

[wind meteor]

CL40 IS A SERIOUSLY BREAKING THE GAME!!!!
I HAVE NEVER BEEN AGAINST ANY WEAPON OR ANY EMBRAK'S DECISIONS, BUT THIS IS EXTREMELY BROKEN!

1 team was running 3 mediums with 3 defibs and 3 CL40 and 2 turrets and 1 heal!!! there was no effing way you could team-wipe them. Every time you kill one, you're already very low, he gets revived instantly, and you die in the next second. If you're a bit close to your teammate, that a death sentence.

This is taking away all the strategy, all accuracy, all organization, and all skill.

[mild gazelle]

But instead you can face tank a fucking RPG, of course that makes sense of course
Also reminder that the CL40 does 130 damage on direct hit while the RPG only does 100 now

[pliant lion]

Holy shit it's time to nerf the CL40 into the ground before it kills the game, the extremely high damage + lack of self damage makes it way too easy to use, especially at close ranges.
Just played a ranked match with only 2 CL40s and they completely broke the match, needless to say they won because you can't outdamage them at close range even if you'd be able to hit every one of your inferior "regular weapon" shots.

@sleek plaza I've been vouching for that since release but I don't think it's their priority in any way whatsoever.

@fervent vortex It SHOULD be a terrible weapon in most circumstances, grenade launchers are highly situational. It's too easy to use right now, mainly because of the fact you don't need a decent aim, it does a shitload of damage and you can shoot at your own feet while barely taking any damage. Also if you hit an enemy at close range you don't take any self damage most of the times and it does more damage than the RPG, which only has 1 shot and actually does a significant amount of self damage. https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1290063450739048470

[fervent vortex]

It’s a terrible weapon breh, but if the weapon is terrorizing casual players then I do agree they should change it a bit

[bronze flame]

guys the challenge for 50m headshots is absolutely ruining powershit please change it

[night vortex]

What do you guys want nerfed on the CL40? Didn’t it always two shot lights?

[static mural]

real

[left badger]

DELETE THIS CL40 PLEASE THANKS

[glossy zephyr]

How am I put into a lobby, that is apparently "intermediate", which has 5 diamonds that are stacked lol. You can't just through in 2 silvers and golds and then call it a day. What kind of match making is that? And if you dropped out first round you lose 1.9K, but if you win you barely get 900?? Like what????

[vivid thunder]

How am I intended to get these 50 headshots?

[limber ingot]

aim the head of ennemies and shoot

[native zealot]

Buff 93r please

[deep sierra]

Buff fcar damage to 26 per bullet and reduce ammo to 20 in a mag.

[autumn warren]

It’s a grenade launcher. It’s not supposed to be hard to aim.

[wind meteor]

yes, but it was 4 shots heavy, now it's 3. Plus, it's a nade, so it has splash damage around where it hits. The max damage was a radius of 9cm around the spot, and the damage falls outside of it. The max damage radius has now become 30cm! Making it way easier to hit targets, and way easier to deal max damage to multiple targets.

[remote verge]

3x the radius of the explosion resulting in 9x the volume it covers. thats an insane area

[silver briar]

where can I ask to devs for make .556 sight usable in scout elite sniper? i need that

[graceful snow]

Flx fix this. I teamwipe their team and get pusnished for that by their team spawing on the cashout?!?

[bold silo]

TESTING TO SEE IF ANY DEV EVEN READS THIS 😃

DEVS ARE DUM, CANNOT MAKE WORKING COMPETITIVE RANKED IN 6 SEASONS, 12 MONTHS.

[tawdry vortex]

Flame thrower doesnt count towards fire damage challenge...

[true hamlet]

There's nothing to fix, that's just how the weapon's left click works.

[quiet quarry]

nerf the grenade launcher IMMEDIATELY wtf is this shitty shit shit ratshit model CL meta

[silent fog]

Stop making your buildings fold like wet cardboard. It makes the maps play like shit. Destruction was so good, now everything just breaks when you look at it wrong.
Also I know it's a challenge but which out of touch dev thought it would be a good idea to make a 40m+ kill with a gadget challenge?
Which btw doesn't even work? I killed a guy with a nade at 43 meters...
just killed another at 42 meters, didn't count.

[azure rain]

I think it would be cool if you could change your crosshair individually for every weapon

[white socket]

for the dematerializer, you should be able to hold down left mouse button to choose up to 3 pieces of the building for one charge, and just clicking will dematerialize one singular piece of the building, like how fortnite's edit mode works. although increasing the range on the dematerializer fixes the fact that dematerializer could not fully dematerialize a floor or ceiling, it definitely does not help when trying to escape with a dematerializer as that just makes it harder to fully close the hole that you dematerialized.

[barren totem]

Can they cancel or speed up VR acquisition, I'm a new player and it's SOOOOO FRUSTRATING that I'm getting thrashed by opponents with sniper rifles and grenade guns but I can't fight back with the same weapons yet.

[slim rampart]

How is it possible that the sniper rifle was nerfed to floor level and the pike was not eventouched?>?

[brittle crow]

Would love to know how my ranked match started with only myself on the team and I lose 1200 RP for sticking out the entire thing.

[lament heron]

Nerf or rework defib pls. There is no medium who don’t use defib, it’s just so obvious

[winter vapor]

you guys have absolutely fucked team balancing with randoms this season, im expected to carry 3x the damage, kills, AND objective score to get any wins.

[modern echo]

Nerf Pike and CL40.
Thank you

[quick coyote]

Epic games store release when?

[glad dirge]

nerf cl40 max damage radius significantly

[untold haven]

don’t need another comment about the pike and cl40 but don’t forget the model while you’re at it

[frank gull]

I think it would be nice if Embark gave 3 locked loadouts that forced you to pick from 4 gadgets.
The current lottery pick system is a bit dated with new players going against experienced, or meta slaves.
The average joe should have a few reliable loadouts.
1 bad gadget can ruin a loadout or cost the game, so I understand why people would want to change in the first place but I agree with @slender oasis it be nice if weapons stayed locked.

Until players are able to unlock EVERYTHING The Finals has to offer.
Also allow to buy/reroll all contracts for players that have everything unlocked? 🙏🏽

[red ingot]

• dagger skins
  carrot
  gold bar
  a rock
  fists

[proper chasm]

Please fix the 1 hit kill technique with the sword
Please nerf the CL40
please nerf the pike
please nerf the light's new shot gun
please half the heavy rocket launcher charge time
please give the FCAR a fire rate buff not much just a bit so it can compete with anything

[violet matrix]

nerff cl 40 is so pathetic

[ionic grail]

Yippie triple pike meta for another week GGs embork

[torpid sky]

when sugi the medium main says this u gotta know smth went wrong

[bold silo]

FIX LAST SECOND SPAWN PLACING YOU ON OTHER SIDE of map

[wintry oyster]

Defib should not be able to be used directly after being revived
This constant revive - die - revive - repeat from MMM teams is gamebreaking

[versed hazel]

just a friendly reminder that this game would have improved ten fold if this season would have seen the removal of Kyoto from the game ( i hate u so much @i love kyoto) (i WILL cry harder)

[ocean parrot]

just a friendly reminder that this game would have improved ten fold if this season would have seen the removal of every map except Kyoto from the game (cry harder)

[azure ermine]

why does it feel everything been buff bar the light its bs

[manic steppe]

SR-84 feels even more terrible then ever was a hard gun to get value out of to begin with.
-Make it Hit Scan again or get rid of scope sway at least
-Make it more accurate while scoped and in the air.
-Make it more accurate no-scoping while on the ground.
-Give me Iron Sights

[agile surge]

EMBARK!!! nerf the cl40 the game is unplayable i only get 3 medium cl40 teams

[nimble kiln]

buff cl-40

[tawdry vortex]

So my challenges seem to be kinda bugged. I got the challenge for killing 5 people with gadgets after killing 1 guy. My fire damage from the flamer doesnt count. Fire nade kill ticks dont count, only DoTs. There are probably more that I am missing, but this fire challenge is annoying everything out of me, its my last

[winter vapor]

you can thank all the vaginas hiding in the crane for this. It is by far one of the most garb weapons in the game, lowest dps. Id be fine with the drop if i couldnt eliimate everyone from across the map with the pike. It doesnt make any sense lol.

[upper citrus]

Buff cl-40

[spark shard]

Day 3/100: Change matchmaking for solo players.

I'm very pleased with all the changes you've brought this season, thank you!

However, the matchmaking has been broken since Season 2. In Season 3, I didn't play much ranked because it was TA, and I detest that game mode. I thought that during that season, meaning Season 3, you were working on the matchmaking to have something decent for Season 4, but I see that this issue continues from Season 2.

My matchups make no sense, neither in terms of rank nor in terms of the dedication to the game, which is evident when I compare my number of kills and revives with those of my teammates. And when I look at the other teams, they are with the people who should be matched with me, but instead, I'm playing against them.

I'm saying all this from the perspective of someone who plays solo, without a team. When can we expect improvements in matchmaking for solo players? Seriously, we've been like this since Season 2, it's very frustrating.

Note: I've even had people on my team who said in chat that they were playing ranked for "fun" in the sense of playing "quick play." This is a bad joke.

Note 2: I don't mind if it takes longer to find a game as long as it improves the current experience. I'd rather wait more than 2 minutes or however long it takes than wait 10 seconds and end up with a team with zero skill.

Note 3: Do not use the excuse of not changing the matchmaking in the middle of a season when you make buffs and nerfs to weapons, gadgets, etc., which also affect the game in the middle of the season. You have had enough time to do something about it.

[pseudo leaf]

I dash backstab a guy holding gas canister and my game crashed.

[waxen citrus]

Greetings! I am a Make-A-Wish Foundation associate and I am messaging on behalf of "Born"! His final dying wish is to get THE FINALS to center the HUD in-game! He has Stage 9 Death Disease and would love to see "Embark" add this option so "Ultrawide users can play the game without turning their head to see the health, ammo and other HUD data." Please add HUD BOUNDARIES so his wish can be fulfilled and he can pass happily!

[zinc haven]

truly one of the Terminal Attack

[true hamlet]

Can you add a feature to select multiple of your favorite skins on a gun and then have them randomize between rounds/matches? There's so many good skins that I have and I wanna just use them all. Kinda like how you can only pick multiple animations but do it for skins. I know it's kinda hard to do with guns with unique animations, but I believe you can make it work 👍

[rustic tusk]

This is also kinda silly, seeing as they nerfs bullets longer than 50m away

[true hornet]

PLEASE NERF HEAVY AGAIN IT SIMPLY IS TOO OVERPOWERED, OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[slim bone]

does anyone know how to fix unreal discovery crash it just stared happening to me out of nowhere

[tepid geyser]

Same. I played for 4 hours completely fine and then it started crashing when loading into or in the middle of matches

[versed hazel]

the CL-40 should actually one shot every class while my monitor isn't even turned on tbh. it needs another buff. also add a 25 kill streak nuke that simply ends the game and counts EVERYONE as a total loss and drops yourself and everyone in the match like 2 or 3 ranks instantaneously when you activate it. the game is literally unplayable without it.

[wind helm]

Help how I'm supposed to do 50 headshot kills from more than 50 meters (6k xp mission btw💀) rn I made 5 kills with sniper rifle and one with bow (pure luck 99% of my kills are on 30/40meters range) even lh1 with scope it is impossible to kill someone with headshot from 50 meters

[night vortex]

So, ideally, how do we change it in a meaningful way to where it’s not just bad? I’d really like for guns outside of assault rifles and shotguns to be good in the game. If I wanted to go play assault rifle shooters I’d play CoD. I don’t play the CL40, but things like the flamethrower and MGL are things that can be fun and useful. Look at the old arena shooters, rocket launchers and all kinds of non-ballistic weapons were pretty good. So how do we avoid a hitscan centric game entirely.

[twin cave]

Would be cool to add text chat on consoles, like other games do (CoD to name one)

[ivory isle]

Make cl-40 have the same fire rate as akm

[mellow geyser]

I predict lowest player count this season. Yet the devs say this is their favorite season yet. There is a problem.

[azure ermine]

give it a 30 round mag aswell

[quick coyote]

remove defib from the game, replace with something else

[honest verge]

Ranked is a cesspool of flavour of the month chasing CL-40 users. There's at least 4 of them! As if it wasn't bad enough to play against medium due to stacking heal beams and defib. The best part of these class based game is the interactions between classes and sweaty medium stacks is not it. People know that they can play what they enjoy and still win? A streamer advertising the best build is just that ADVERTISING. Play games for fun gg

[drowsy quest]

guys I bought the battle pass and I didn't get anything even though I have a bunch of stuff unlocke

[uneven dagger]

Give us the option to fanfire the revolver at close ranges

[drifting leaf]

i thnk in everyones best interest to remove the CL40 from the game please

[topaz barn]

This season has consistently been giving me matches where players have like 50k+ kills and about 10x more hours playtime when I have about 4k kills myself and have barely scratched the surface of the game.

I am all for a challenging game/round, but when it gets to a point where you are beaten every life and not having much of a chance to fight back it's not fun at all.

When I want to play after a long day of work i don't want to play quick cash like it's a tournament in Ruby rank.

[coral forum]

To address the defib problem I present a potential solution.

(Ranked only) Defib will not be able to charge unless you are close enough to the player trophy. Similar to stealing a cashout or a hard revive (without defib). The difference is the time required to revive is cut in half when you have a defib. It will make hitting a defib a much more compromising move and will force better positioning and make it much more difficult to do durring a gunfight. Thoughts?.......

Statue: "I like the idea posted yesterday that glitch grenades could cancel a hologram of a reviving player from a defib." - I like this too, similar to how it cancels gateway.

[quick coyote]

Please add bots to the practice range that are sprinting and hopping around on jumppads and ziplines. I am having issues learning the new sniper bullet projectile.

[unreal fossil]

Medium class now has the best weapons and utilities in the game, including the best counters to itself. As a result, every lobby is now a Medium fest.

At this point, Embark could delete both Light and Heavy from the game, and we just wouldn't really see a difference (aside from the fact that it would turn The Finals into just another generic shooter with destructible environnement).

They really, really need to step it up with next week's update, or this will discourage players quickly. Let's go back to teams needing good synergy with all three classes having clear strengths, weaknesses, limitations. This game will be in its best spot once the statistically most played team comp is LMH.

For the previous three seasons, there has been complaints about MMH/MHH being the only viable team comps in tournaments, but it's even worse now with MMM being the be all, end all.

[upper citrus]

why would i ever play a class with downsides when i can just play medium

[molten trail]

can these turrets stop fking aimbotting 🤡

[magic surge]

Why is it when BOTH my teammates disconnect at the start of the 1st round in ranked i'm still getting punished by -600 like it's my fault i couldn't handle 1v9? I have screenshots if ya need it

[versed hazel]

can you seriously actually delete all future "eliminate enemies from a distance that your entire team is going to rage because you arent actually helping" challenges

[sleek flame]

Honestly the cl-40 should just be a utility item with 2 rounds and a long cooldown

[granite garden]

Real

[rigid cape]

whats yalls oppinion more in game events?

[broken herald]

nerf model1887, cl and pike

[wintry trout]

Remove defib
Add a cooldown to heal beam based on when damage was last taken by the target so you can’t be actively healed while taking damage
Nerf the cl40, the number of shots to kill is not relevant when they also have mines, grenades and teammates, it’s a support weapon, don’t balance literally any weapon based on isolated weapon-only 1v1s
Remove ADS from the akimbo deagles, the whole point of two weapons is increased firepower and ammo at the expense of accuracy, I shouldn’t be getting cross map sniped by them
Slight nerf to pike damage
Nerf new light shotgun pellet damage but tighten the spread
Nerf frag grenade damage or ammo count
Nerf model damage
Nerf double barrel damage
Nerf revolver damage
Nerf M11 damage
Nerf XP damage
Nerf LH1 damage and increase fire rate to differentiate from sniper and pike equally
Nerf flamethrower damage
Nerf spear range. It’s completely arbitrary how far it can hit you from. The animation doesn’t even come close to matching the effective range, especially considering the massive latency that makes them essentially able to hit you from like 20 feet away
Remove spear being able to push the platform around in power shift
Adjust spear’s hit reg so it’s not just an instant platform clear on power shift
Reduce the damage window for hammer secondary so it doesn’t one shot lights several seconds after the swing
Buff heavy grenade launcher, or rework, I know that’s already planned
Nerf winch claw so it’s not a guaranteed kill if the target is a light. Remove the stun. It’s one thing forcing another person to fight in close range but also forcing them to stand still while you murder them is a bit ridiculous for the beefy class
Make rpg a specialization instead of a gadget
Having both rpg and charge and slam is extremely oppressive on power shift, not even taking into consideration gadgets and weapons
Nerf throwing knife damage and increase the projectile speed
Nerf famas fire rate, it’s essentially full auto and has way too high of bullet damage to justify such a rate
Take frags off light, take fire and gas off medium, take frags and fire off heavy, take explosive mines off heavy
let heavy have fire grenades and fire mines, plus goo and medium have explosive mines, frags, gas mines, gas grenades and flashbangs, and let lights have fire, gas, flashbangs, glitch and sonar
Reduce dash charge time back down 1 second
Reduce sword lunge range back down 1m but improve hit reg
Nerf guardian turret damage or
Aim lock, it’s completely busted how strong it is for being unable to miss. And with multiple it’s completely oppressive in all game modes
Buff riot shield
Nerf damage on the charge or the slam or both, and/or reduce directional movement so you can’t chase someone doing 130 damage per hit, damage and speed should come at the cost of severely limited directional mobility
Buff red barrels back to 150 total damage, i miss one shotting lights with it
Buff orange and green barrel damage, buff glitch barrel radius and glitch time
Increase the time turrets are glitched from any source
Glitch from any source should cancel or delay defibs in progress (hologram is already active)
Nerf stun gun back into the ground, or just remove it, completely busted, has no counters

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[brittle obsidian]

the last thing heavy and med need is fewer gadgets lol

[untold hazel]

why remove defib defib is balanced

[tidal night]

I got a challenge to do 5 kills with GADGET at 40M.... WTF is that!?!?

[torpid sky]

rpg/mines/nades

[drowsy quest]

can the finals stop putting the cashout in the middle of the open making using anything but heavy with barricade and dome unplayable to steal

[fossil vault]

Please make the game fun for peoplr who don't spend 9 hours a day in aimlabs aimmaxxing

[sonic salmon]

How the fuck do yall go 3 months without fucking with the UE to all of sudden its happenig again during season 4 ranked cashout... like come on......

[sterile spire]

every class has goo grenades they are good for disrupting line of sight

[night mantle]

i think cl40 need to buffed a little bit it need bigger magazine and higher fire rate maybe fire rate of m11 and magazine of lewis gun would make it balanced maybe also damage of rpg

[violet matrix]

Nerf Cl-40 is so pathetic

[silent fog]

Can we revert the "performance updates and improvements" that were made in the last patch of S3? It made it worse for me and I've seen many others complain.
Also when did you decide to make buildings fold like wet cardboard? It makes the maps play like shit.

[patent wind]

you realize you cant just "revert" things that have to do with the fundamental engine right. the best they can do is work on fixing it

@rose verge no thats not how it works... the programming itself has different variations between versions for example, and they program based on the different rendering

[rose verge]

It’s version controlled. They can literally revert. It’s the entire point of version control. - Alscara

[surreal meadow]

without fucking up the roadmap and setting back development that relied on the current/previous patch; takes time

@wintry trout yeah thats what i mean, just dont drop it back without fixing it, just give them some time; dont build your foundation on sand

[versed cloud]

Are wall hacks free because the prefire in ranked is crazy right now

[pseudo leaf]

I don't give a fk until this game gets balanced and gets an better match making. Dagger only ranked. if some one cries will tell them carry me then.

[wooden shuttle]

There is absolutely no way the grenade launcher is real this is a fucking joke

[drifting leaf]

keep getting shot behind cover

[wintry trout]

If it’s broken, then you revert
Reverting doesn’t mean you just lose all your code
But if it doesn’t work then it doesn’t make sense to build on top of broken code
You revert to the old version that works and you fix the new version and re-commit it
I swear all you kids are dumb as rocks
Those of us who are formally educated in the field of video game programming actually understand the process
And if you go to a school that isn’t run by comically incompetent amateurs then you’d learn that committing bad code and then building on top of it until it works is literally the worst coding practice imaginable
You do it right or you don’t do it at all
This is why every major game has trouble expanding properly because they’re all building on spaghetti code because it’s all about committing something to the repo before deadlines even if that shit doesn’t even compile
They’re in control of the game
Development is slowed far more severely if they push 5 updates that don’t work then spend 3 months trying to fix all the problems they created
Think, Mark, think!

[gilded hull]

nerf the cl40 bro oh my days

[uneven rampart]

Medium Cancer Meta is getting way too overboard, GET RID OF THEM

[coral forum]

To address the defib problem I present a potential solution.

(Ranked only) Defib will not be able to charge unless you are close enough to the player trophy. Similar to stealing a cashout or a hard revive (without defib). The difference is the time required to revive is cut in half when you have a defib. It will make hitting a defib a much more compromising move and will force better positioning and make it much more difficult to do durring a gunfight. Thoughts?.......

Statue: "I like the idea posted yesterday that glitch grenades could cancel a hologram of a reviving player from a defib." - I like this too, similar to how it cancels gateway.

[rain gust]

Just stop nerfing Light. Just stop.

It has always been the weakest class, it's not even a discussion. This has been a problem for a while. If you really, truly need to discuss about it, hit me up in DMs.

[icy falcon]

DAY 3, GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 3 LET ME THROW THE SPEAR EMBARK THIS IS A FREE BAG

[glacial knot]

I start laughing as fuck when i drop the APS and see how cl40 players start runing away 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 run forest run

[azure ermine]

every class this season got buffed in some way but light feels weaker than ever its bs especically with the cl40 meta now

[deep sierra]

Buff fcar please 🙏 thank you.

[modest root]

I aimmaxing everyday and because of my hard work I get to kill easy noobies like you mugahahahahagahahahaha

[tawdry tree]

Damage of rpg is 100 now, it's 117 for Cl-40, are you crazy ? Needs the old rpg dmg, that's all... None sense you're saying

[uneven dagger]

ok so what if, sword and shield skin for shield and baton

[slate plover]

roman shield and sword would be dope

[next rock]

How much longer is the model going to be literally the most free weapon in the game? Swear some of the people should be plastic 3 but a shotgun makes them good

[sterile spire]

the xp rewards screen recounts the entirety of the weapon and gadget xp instead of what was earned that match can we fix that?

[sharp creek]

give light a stim shot

[next crest]

(I am not good at explaining things so try and hear me out as im just gonna dump some thoughts)Just did some research (about 5 mins of googling and what not) on player count. it seems that the finals struggled with players since the games initial release, and looking at other popular fps games, the numbers that are drastically different are the twitch viewers and streamers. What the finals needs to do is give something to streamers, and pay for that extra advertising to bring more and more players into the finals. what would help with this also would to add a beginner playlist to the game, and change default settings to best suit the game. what im talking about is how if i were to play on a new account, the default settings are sooo bad that it makes the game unplayable. SO. adjust default settings, add new playlist, maybe give beginners more to choose from regarding weapons and gadgets, and Twitch streamers play a big role in player count. Also from what my friends told me when they tried this game for the first time was, Its too much, the learning curve is alot, and nobody plays this game. Reason i say all this is bc this game is too fun to just fall off the face of the earth. Embark..... please @gray ore @full prairie

[narrow hearth]

also why is the cheering sound just straight up football/soccer cheering? makes my ears bleed

[mystic bramble]

seriously, why am i losing 1000 rs on a game where 2 people left? how does that make any sense? I am genuinely looking for someone to explain this to me

[smoky gust]

I like it and would like to see it possibly be expanded on

Maybe make it a setting so those that dont like it can turn it off, while the rest still gets to enjoy it

[green sphinx]

for the love of GOD REMOVE THE CL40. I literally cannot fight it and it's costing me tourney rounds cause I just die instantly.

[sonic spoke]

Please add a LFG in teh social menu. that way ingame friends can know you are looking to get in a party.

[kind peak]

can we get solo bank it back in private

[uneven dagger]

lets get some class statistics to see which one has how many players per match, lets also take that into consideration when deciding what to nerf or buff as well as what recieves the most complaints and in what game mode, im sure embark has their ways of seeing this but public data wouldnt hurt I dont think

[stray harness]

The akm recoil feels like ass after the mag changes also mag change needs to be reverted you can get about 1 kill max per mag

[limpid mica]

Would like to have 9 class slots instead of 8, that way its even between the 3 classes

[obsidian plinth]

remove this, it benefits no one's enjoyment

[tepid violet]

They wrote that they nerfed the Heavy cuz he’s having the highest win rate in the Game while being the least played class in the Game. I guess that they know exactly what they’re doing. The problem is that even the smallest buff on the Light Class can make it extremely op. They rather nerf medium and heavy to buff light….but at the same time they buff underused weapons of the Heavy and Medium class (M60, CL-40 and more) which makes it unbalanced again.

[harsh panther]

This shit is worse than searching 7 chests at risky reels man

[placid hazel]

nerf cl40

[median crown]

it aint even that good

[oblique atlas]

Not hard to counter with movement and verticality

[lost cedar]

Why does the seeding place me and my friends at 90k combined elo but we’re only 74k?

[valid cradle]

Yo what is this piece of shit contract… I don’t want to play the stupid ass sniper.. also, half the maps don’t even have a 50 meter eye line of anything wtf is this bullshit.. and you want me to get HEADSHOTS?!?! Most un-fun garbage I’ve ever tried to do…

[nocturne torrent]

Why does voice chat cut out halfway through the match?

[whole acorn]

Man what is the reason y’all put this light shot gun in the game lol this gun does nothing at all n’ please make snipers fun again they take forever for a second shot

[echo urchin]

You can tell the new season is a success because of all the new players and you can tell there’s a bunch of new players because of all the dog shit suggestions and complaints that have been flooding this channel recently. W

[upper citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[hazy shore]

nerf the model/cl40 and your game would be playable

[weary ocean]

buff lh1 rate of fire to what it used to be yo, pike ruins where it belongs in the meta

[worn horizon]

why is the pike a monster in close quarters?

[digital yoke]

NERF PIKE. It's just impossible to fight with this gun if you're heavy or medium with other long range weapons. You just physically can't keep up and you can't break the damage of this dmr. It can only be defeated by another pike or light class. Why should I, a heavy mainer change my class and gameplay style just because there is an OP Pike?

[slow tartan]

not a big fan of this headshots from 50 meters away challenge

[dark niche]

Fix the rank system, im losing 1598 if im the 6th seed, and only gaining 1.2k for winning what?

[steel pasture]

RIP Light sniper. It is so impossibly nerfed now. A good change was to add more long range weapons to the other classes. A HORRIBLE change was to add more long range weapons to the other classes while nerfing the sniper into oblivion. The sudden change to bullet velocity while the bullet is still in flight makes it unruly and hard to predict. The fact that it is now the only weapon with this change makes this weapon now completely unviable against any other weapon. A Light with a sniper rifle will be outsniped by Heavies and Mediums. The sniping used to be good in this game. Now I am probably going to quit playing this altogether. This game was more frustrating than fun, and now what I enjoyed is gone. Why stay?

[raw blaze]

Pike is lit, and I love it. Saying that it's OP is correct, however saying it's impossible to fight against it is a lie! I destroy people using the pike, and destroy, when i'm using the pike! :3

[oblique atlas]

Don’t forget they added bullet drop to sniper rifle 🙂

[polar shell]

EMBARK: The contract 'Play 6 matches of Tournament, Poeersheee.... etc' does not trigger for tournament (WT)?

[crisp dawn]

This doesn't matter really at all but for the discord it would be nice to have an official memes channel.

[frank gull]

T.A. just showed the potential to capitalize in Combo plays. The room to finish a opponent was a lot more forgiving, so *L naturally thrived however there downfall is a skill wall that use to be support & defense, but S4 it'll be offense since resetting is kinda out of the meta with the death of Heal B. & Mesh Shield.

I agree with you for the most part.
I also don't think*L needed any nerfs coming into S4 I was just defending *M utility.
If HML will be in "High Elo" I was hoping *L mobility specialization got a buff, Heal B. Had a longer reach to aid *L mobility
Heavy Mesh having high health was great for *L to take easy shots.
*H not even being able to chase someone around the corner with Mesh for cover fire is wild when the game has Glitch grenades, Glitch mines, Glitch barrels, & 2 teammates.

[pseudo leaf]

I don't think they are reading this chat at all. If they were cl and pike would have nerfed last patch.

[versed eagle]

NERF IT TO THE GROUND 😡 don't want it 😤

[versed cloud]

Remove the pike

[fringe burrow]

I gotta say yall really gotta take another look at the sniper, adding bullet drop to a sniper that has no scope graduations for figuring out hold overs is awful game design lol, I dont even usually play it just tried it out and it went from aight to straight up cheeks

[violet matrix]

Delete Cl-40 is so pathetic gun

[manic oxide]

I cant select anything

[glacial knot]

You need to build your own team , every class has attack and counter avantages. The game is right now really good balanced In contrast to season 1 and 2 and begin of season 3. so they need just to increase aps health against cl40 to give the skill issue players a chance to enjoy the game

[latent garnet]

cl nerf & nanatama halloween cosmetics pls god

[thorny lynx]

CL40 users mom's never gave them the capri-sun flavor they liked, never got tucked in with love, never had milk and cookies.... basically just missed out on all things good in life. A soulless being that ruins gameplay from spamming a broken OP weapon. It is thee that can't sleep at night from the anxiety that most likely nobody likes you IRL. Even more sad.... you probably are running a turret too.
Embark you ruined the Sniper too FYI

[rapid stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[lament lagoon]

i love how every cl40 user thinks its perflectly balanced but never says how to play against party of 2-3 cl40 users

no, it's not, self-damage is a joke

[uneven dagger]

its perfectly balanced, just shoot them

[wooden shuttle]

Everytime i face the CL40 Im tryna find the camera this shit is a fucking prank. More damage than the RPG which everyone was crying about, more ammo ofc since its a fucking gun and less self damage. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

[digital yoke]

if you were responding to my post in yours, I suggest you still read it to the end, not just the first 10 words and understand the true meaning of my post.

[floral shoal]

Please fix spawns. I'm tired of spawning all the way across the map because I made a timed save on my token while the cashout is going and my team mate died.. This has been an issue going on since Season 1.

[raw blaze]

I wasn't :3

[hardy raft]

The flamethrower doesn't count for the weekly "deal 1000 damage to opponents using gas or fire"

[rotund sluice]

Simple and elegant fix to defib meta - if a medium defibs a dead medium, then they also have a defib cooldown. Easy to understand, prevents defib chaining, doesn’t nerf the ability to the ground and encourages diverse team loadouts.

BTW CL-40 isn’t OP, you’re just getting skill diff’d and it feels bad. All top rank players are Pike/AK/Model

[hasty ember]

PLEASE nerf that godforsaken grenade launcher

[sturdy path]

If flamethrower no longer counting for fire damage challenge is intentional, then it was a terrible decision. Even after a game running flamethrower, pyro mine, and pyro grenade, i only got 10 points for it.

[torpid quarry]

Please fix the constant lag

[tame crag]

Some of the challenges this circuit are ridiculous that require playing to solely and only complete them.

“Headshot 50 opponents from 50m or more” — the main method of completing this frustrating reoccurring challenge was using the sniper, but since that has now received a nerf it’s much more difficult, combined with increasing the difficulty of the challenge. This challenge does not complete itself by just playing

“Deal 1000 damage with gas or fire” — I’m not sure if it was intentional but the flamethrower and pyro grenades don’t contribute their full damage to the challenge.

[slender cipher]

Not gonna lie, I definitely want more Asymmetrical tops, especially since I missed out on the Discord quest for the Engimo one when I had to go to the hospital for a few days. Be it either one based on the other companies like Vaiiya, or an all black one, or just another variation of the current top and just replace the yellow with gray or silver.

[oblique atlas]

They gotta add group emotes like TF2

[fossil fable]

Increase medium grenade launcher ammo, decrease damage

[coral forum]

To address the defib problem I present a potential solution.

(Ranked only) Defib will not be able to charge unless you are close enough to the player trophy. Similar to stealing a cashout or a hard revive (without defib). The difference is the time required to revive is cut in half when you have a defib. It will make hitting a defib a much more compromising move and will force better positioning and make it much more difficult to do durring a gunfight. Thoughts?.......

Statue: "I like the idea posted yesterday that glitch grenades could cancel a hologram of a reviving player from a defib." - I like this too, similar to how it cancels gateway.

[frank gull]

I know... I was practicing the new sight.
I was just having *Fun not trying to win so I kept my gadgets.
I'm aware how valuable APS is on the platform.

I was just trying to prove the CL probably isn't as imbalanced as the pike, & if you just try to strafe a little you can probably outplay it.
I agree with you for the most part actually...
The platform kinda shifts when you first jump on so that helped, so if it was ranked I might have lost that 1 v 1, but it doesn't seem as broken as people say.
I can easily see where 3 may become an issue.

Ziplines blow up immediately, Jump pad cooldown should be 15 sec to help when rotating around the objective & stay mobile against grenade launcher, or other Hipfire weapons.(It'd be nice if mines could match that cooldown since half the utility was taken away.
APS should definitely tank more projectiles.I.M.O
maybe a larger AOE.

Sorry if you thought I was trying to flex, or say something negative. Just a clip of me playing Obj.
I was just showing how these weapons match up. I agree "...If you're a enemy play FCAR or AKM or any other gun," FAMAS isn't meta, but it's reliable 0 - 35, however I wouldn't call it Meta/OP AK & FCAR are more consistent.
Pike will probably be Nerfed next week anyways.
If 1 CL isn't that bad 3 can probably be handled with teamwork.
However I'm aware how easy the CL-40 can Combo. It's potential seems quite deadly.

[upper citrus]

Cl40 is the only time medium ever has downsides and people are mad about it. GG we are cooked

[restive crow]

Super Insane finals logic
RPG: Only 1 ammo, deals 100 damage
Cl40: 4 ammo with super short reloading time, 114 damage per shot 🤣
And how tf are people defending this shit 😭 😭

[quiet pivot]

FIX THE FUCKING SR-84 for the love of god. The pike doesnt have basllistics and slaps, revert the light sniper and let it be a great counter. ffs

[surreal meadow]

i dont think gamemode specific rebalancing is a good idea; creates inconsistencies that are confusing for casuals
but flat out banning / forcing could work in a custom playlist, like TA (no heal beam/defib); but it would hurt the identity of chaos in the finals / cashout & its variants

I think a proper idea to implement this could be a misc EXTRA testing mode
Force someone to bring item/class or ban in testing gamemode
See how it resulted
Go from data gained into balancing ideas

[crystal umbra]

IMAGINE DROPPING SPONSOR MERCH IN LINE WITH THE SEASONS!! WE CAN HAVE ENGIMO MERCH DROP IN REAL LIFE AND HAVE THE SAME COSMETICS IN GAME!

(Imagine how fast the OSPUZE cosmetics would sell out)

I appreciate the fact that when we gat merch from The Finals merch store we get that stuff in game.

Can we get buy a sponsored mug and get an emote of drinking from that mug in game?????? 👀👀

Buy charms in real life and unlock it in game?

(Forgive my excitement, you guys are genius)

[brittle spruce]

Can we get a petition to make the new legendary CL40 skin actually shoot paint balls??? i feel like its an easy change and deserving for a single 8$ skin

[grave yarrow]

We need more merch stuff, Like ospuze hoodies and actual items. Like a fake weapon that doesnt shoot stuff irl but shoots stuff in the game. Like the mug idea is real sick too, I for sure wanna bump this!

[thorny parcel]

Bring back Sledgehammer multihits on walls at least so I don't get stuck on random walls when breaking through. There is such a horrible quality of life on Sledgehammer with how the right click does not break what you intend for it to break.
Or how if there are two walls back to back, only the front wall breaks and you have to break another.

Imo, my dream Sledgehammer would be to have the reload button be a super fast small wall break that does low damage to players. Right click would be for making giant walls that smash a large portion of whatever you hit away.

[kindred crypt]

Just a typo: mag. size is still 36 for the AKM.

[smoky gust]

I really hope they make it leave behind paint on hit too

[oblique atlas]

Or make a goo gun skin that shoots goo that looks like popcorn, I’ll just keep dreaming.

[weary ocean]

gun gun

[cold steeple]

so last season the whole community damn near complained about the overtuned lh1 and they nerfed it. Then they decided to add a gun thats pretty much the same as the overtuned lh1 and give it to mediums. Did they test this gun before putting it in the game?

[daring fossil]

so last week I had a contract to win 30 rounds which I thought was a little excessive, this week I have one to win 10 rounds, which is better but then I have 50 headshots on people 50m or more. I mean I would like to do this contract, but the revolver fucking blows and the pike is too broken to be fun to use.

[shadow nebula]

Fix the lag and fps issues on Las Vegas and the bamboo map. They are completely unplayable now for a lot of players. If you can’t fix it atleast remove the maps from ranked and world tour so you’re not punishing players.

[grave orbit]

Allow cashout steals in progress to continue when timer hits 0. Teams should have to defend the entirety of the cashout, not have the freedom to leave early because it’s literally impossible to steal under 7 seconds

[violet matrix]

Delete cl-40 is so pathetic gun

[pliant glade]

i'm genuinely asking name ONE FUCKING PERSON THAT ASKED FOR THE CL TO BE BUFFED ESPECIALLY TO THIS DEGREE. i love this game BUT FUCK, you're smoking crack whichever dev thought this was a great idea

[quick coyote]

Fix performance issues. Kyoto runs at 5fps with extreme jittering in Xbox Series X.

[teal dock]

This is too difficult. What gadget am I supposed to use 40m away?

[sturdy path]

rpg?

[fallow idol]

sniper

[wraith igloo]

cl40 has pretty much taken over the game, played several rounds last night where more than half the lobby was spamming it. If something is still broken after trying to fix it 3 times then be honest and consider removing it as a main weapon, make it an ability for med or something to prevent spam

[weary dove]

i just used the pike to get them low then threw gas and pyro nades at the platform in powershift, got it in one match, i thought it would be too difficult as well since i was trying to do it with the rpg before

[tropic root]

I'll trade it for 50 headshots from 50m away

[timid musk]

Tournament difficulty: Very Easy All the other teams in the match were either Bronze rank or unranked players.
Even after spending a long time to win, you get only a small amount of RS, and the other Bronze teams just get beaten badly.
Who exactly benefits from this ranked match?

[glad ginkgo]

Toxic Hot Take

Restore Stun Gun to its original OP glory

Restore Heavies/Nukes to their original OP glory

Restore CL-40 to its original OP glory

Math: if everyone is OP then nobody is OP

[lime quail]

Stage 2 challenge/ 40 m gadget elimination not working. Clipped two videos. Kill from over 40 m with rocket launcher. Broken challenge.

[compact quartz]

option for ADS to not zoom in (iron sights) (so that there's a reason to use irons over optics)

[upper citrus]

Hell no

[coral forum]

yeah no

[digital crescent]

What’s the fuss about CL-40. I can see how it would be annoying if 3 people are team shotting with it. But it’s not great on its own

[fleet torrent]

You guys have really knocked it out of the park with this one! Even as a heavy main, this is shaping up to be my favorite season yet.

However, now that the RPG does even less damage, I think it would be nice to increase its explosive radius to deal environmental damage to a wider area. Not too much, but just a little bit.

Also, please lower the cooldown to pull out a mesh shield. I understand the purpose of the cooldown, so maybe halve it?

[late owl]

Is the ranked que down?

[vast hornet]

why do i lose 1k rs when i drop 40 kills in a ranked tourny and teammates with 5 kills like how tf are they same rank as me (plat 4)

[lament lagoon]

Cuz it's not about kills, it's about total placement by the money withdrawn, duh.
Also, 40 kills? It's about 20k in clear cash, how are you getting eliminated?

[mossy otter]

It is broken.
Cl40 + Defib + Healing beam is broke on a level beyond insanity, yet people will say since it is the beginning of the season - people like to try new weapons 🙂
Same thing was said earlier for lights.

It feels as if they've taken the task to make 1 class dominate in every season.

[pastel atlas]

Please make smoke grenade fully obscure faster

[polar shell]

EMBARK: PLS ADD 3RD PERSON SPECTATING. Also please make a messaging system for embark friends. Also CL 40 sucks the fun out of the game even when its balanced, maybe nerf it but add a secondary fire such as goo/fire/gas

[tropic root]

that's exactly it. it's annoying, it's oppressive. parties can counter it with proper coordination, but casual/new players suffer.

[shrewd oriole]

Nerf stun gun range or remove it from the game. This stupid utility is making a comeback

[fading flame]

Pike and cl-40 are not fightable when playing without dash as a light

[thorn socket]

FLASHBANG SHOULD NOT BLIND TEAMMATES, WORTHLESS UTILITY AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY TROLL YOUR TEAM WITH IT UNLIKE GOO

[uneven dagger]

yes it should blind teamates, buff cl40 and pike already embark

[halcyon dove]

Add 120hz to console

[karmic surge]

the devs are so bad at their own game istg.

they were using the pike and cl40 while testing and said "yeah this is balanced enough lets add these changes into the game im sure the community will LOVE it. they must've missed a LOT of shots testing these guns cause there is no reason for pike to do that much damage... cl40 doesn't even need an explaination

i get that medium needed a buff in terms of long range combat. but old FCAR was PERFECT. (and it required some skill) just switch it back.

This game revolves around close range combat fighting for cashouts, and now it's like youre playing a real life sniper simulator.

Its a boring game rn. just tapping my left click button and pressing R. stupid ass game

[waxen rover]

New spawn system is awful. Winning a fight then having the same team spawn in front of you before you even reach the cashout is so dumb. This has taken so much strategy out of the game

[autumn shale]

nerf the fucking melees man

[restive crow]

Indeed, medium class is super broken now. After the smg nerf, lights feel alright to fight against with.
Playing against cl40 as a light is so miserable I just can’t write it down.
Heavy is the most balanced class rn imo

[sacred acorn]

Cl-40 should be nerfed. It creeped up as the favorite particularly when in finals rounds. since a lot of weapons were nerfed/ adjusted, it leaves the CL-40 to outpace in it own class. though not impossible to beat, it does tend to win in fights both close and at range. its hard to to make a case to not use the CL-40 and even main with its skill floor pretty down there. I would rather see it be even with the others soon as I can imagine it be noobtube city which i'm already starting to see.

[cold forum]

Almost 6 pages into the new battle pass and still don’t have my rewards from season 3 lol

[shell quest]

Since the new S4 Ospuze Hat is so similar to the meatspace merch exclusive hat, can you add an alternate version to the meatspace merch version that is a snapback like the actual merch hat, and not a duckbill?

[gilded hull]

please ftlog nerf the cl40

[coral forum]

Season 4 RPG DEV Note:
"We never really intended the RPG to be an ‘opener’ in combat, even if it is an item that is more accessible to new players, the intent was always that this was for destruction first and foremost. We believe this change makes it still usable as an opener, but a much less valuable one, shifting its focus back to destruction and breaching."

If this is the case please explain the following change...

CL-40
Increased max damage from 93 to 117

Dev Note: "This change sounds significant, but keeps the weapon in a place where it still takes two shots to kill a Light and three shots to kill a Medium. The change is mostly aimed at making a Heavy three shots to kill instead of four, as we felt it was unfair to the CL-40 to have to land all four of its available four shots (i.e. 100% accuracy) to kill a Heavy without reloading"

Come on guys.. You changed the damage of the weapon to make it kill the heavy faster?? Please reevaluate this change to the CL-40... It shouldn't be doing more damage than the RPG if your note about the RPG stands up...

Most weapons require you to land the majority of your shots to down a heavy... that's why they are heavy...

[nocturne fern]

"We felt the juggling of the shield, constantly raising and lowering it to fire weapons, was hard for some players to understand and very frustrating to play against."

Yet we have lights in the game which can dash around you at the blink of an eye and chuck half of your health without you even realising it happened. But no mesh shield being raised more than 2 times in the span of a couple seconds is too hard to understand and a frustrating part of this game.

@versed latch Average game feedback response talking about 1v1's and skill level. Im talking about their inconsistency in game balance you ape

[dawn valve]

Someone explain why some players are just INVISABLE straightup

[dark niche]

rank system needs to be fixed, its getting to be a joke losing 1.5k and some games only gaining 900, its like u have to finish top 2 all the time, which isnt realistic at this point.

[vital drum]

Nerf the pike & the cl 40 both are overtuned right now

[sturdy heron]

is there a particular reason you guys unban aimbotters every season? same names i got dozens of submitted clips on, they come back every season. Had 1 of them in final round, 2 new accounts ragehacking, and my teammate tilted and turned his aimbot on halfway through final round. Me and my other teammate just sitting here wondering why there's no forfeit option while they beam it out for 20 minutes. such a fucking waste of time

[versed latch]

Complaining about losing 1v1s to a light as a heavy is kinda crazy

[chilly canopy]

The fact we didn't see a single balance change in this patch is a fucking travesty, Mediums are dominating the ranked scene in both close and long-range engagements,

Lights are either dying left and right or are not able to engage with all the turrets and mines lying around and even if they can get a pick most team comps in ranked are 3 mediums all with defibs or heal beam so that one pick is up before anyone can use that opening.

and Heavy... the fact that you stated "Heavy wins more games than Light so we need to nerf them" its kinda funny how this doesn't mention mediums at all while they are the most played class with the lowest barrier of entry out of all three classes and the most impactful gear along with the strongest weapons on the board. and none of this touches on how the devs decide that mesh needs a nerf right as they give the medium a DMR for Christ's sake which has more consistent hip fire at point-blank range than a pair of desert eagles.

to sum things up, embark what the fuck are you smoking?

@river magnet and I didn't even mention how fucked ranked is right now on the RS and seeding system

[sturdy path]

Firstly, please fix the postgame screen so it shows the amount of weapon xp gained from the match and not what i already have

Secondly, viewing team loadouts just seems broken in general. I also need to be able to view them when joining mid game so i can adapt with the team.

[hazy skiff]

Rds for 93R please 🥺🙏

[woeful bolt]

its first patch after update, also they are focusing on clearing top 500 of cheaters from last season, so in patch 2 or 3 we should see major changes hopefully

[quiet jay]

whats everyones opinion on the CL40?

[vestal igloo]

yup,the Game need a Cl 40 and pyker Nerf asap,also needs better stability since it depends on the map it goes very badly (I speak from console),and add some important changes in mid-season to ensure good retention,I think the game also needs to do something with the light ones, they are paper thin, in my opinion, I don't know if it is possible, I would add a negative damage multiplier depending on the class you are, I would make the light ones take a little less damage, and the heavys a little more, so as not to change the weapons so drastically.

[hard timber]

the nonstop crashes on pc is getting RIDICULOUS

[spark mirage]

Why does the fire from the pyro grenade and flamethrower not count towards the deal 1000 fire damage challenge?? 😭

[mighty sphinx]

Hi, new player here with almost 30hrs. I don't usually give feedback to any game since usually my voice get shadowed.

But one thing I really would like to see is a better new player experience as it could encourage newer players to stick around more since this game is amazing and deserves all the attention.

My take is that VR points should only be towards gadgets and optics and not primary weapons. I know this might be a hot take, but I do believe in doing so it would encourage newer players to try out different weapons more and just focus on their play style around said weapons to find their rhythm in the game earlier.

Thank you Embark and the community.👍

[silk shadow]

DEKUUUUUUUUUUU

[coral forum]

Comparing the Dev Notes for RPG and CL-40

RPG-7
Decreased damage from 140 to 100

Dev Note:** We never really intended the RPG to be an ‘opener’ in combat,** even if it is an item that is more accessible to new players, the intent was always that this was for destruction first and foremost. We believe this change makes it still usable as an opener, but a much less valuable one, shifting its focus back to destruction and breaching.

CL-40
Increased max damage from 93 to 117
Increased the max damage radius from 9cm to 30cm

Dev Note: "This change sounds significant, but keeps the weapon in a place where it still takes two shots to kill a Light and three shots to kill a Medium. The change is mostly aimed at making a Heavy three shots to kill instead of four, as we felt it was unfair to the CL-40 to have to land all four of its available four shots (i.e. 100% accuracy) to kill a Heavy without reloading

So you think the CL-40 shouldn't have to land 100% of the shots to kill a heavy? Compare that to the double barrel where you most definitely have to land both shots to kill a heavy or med, and that's at point blank range.

If your intent was to prevent a large damage opener for the heavy that's okay, but why give it to the med? I think a good compromise would be to make the CL do the same amount of damage as the RPG.. Theoretically the weapons are both launching a grenade...

The bottom line is the CL-40 is doing a lot of damage with a single shot (more than the RPG). It creates a real problem for light players specifically. The two Dev notes are contradicting each other.

[glad ginkgo]

Stop crying about the CL40 you weak bitches and pull out your CL40 just have fun. Main point of any game is to have as much fun as possible. The Finals provide that fun and much more. YOU WEAK ASS BITCHES!!!

[viral comet]

honestly though a lobby full of cl40 is cancer. it's not fun.

[abstract ravine]

Weapons that do more damage than the CL-40 ever has have been used for months now. Doing more than 117 damage a shot and especially killing faster than the CL is nothing new. And fundamentally nothing has even changed aside from heavies being 3 shot. There’s just such a massive pushback because;

1. Ranked players think it’s overpowered because it’s good in the hands of really competent players.
2. People in general are now very easily punished from bad positioning due to the nature of the CL being a grenade launcher.
   2 1/2. Any supporting team member can pick off a low health opponent who was hit by a grenade.

Plus the fact that it’s being used more, so people are encountering it more, there’s a ton of placebo complaints. Truly, this gun was always really good, ya’ll just haven’t played against it regularly.

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 40)

[toxic shadow]

baby's first game balance

[crystal umbra]

Being able to spectate top 500 players and be viewed in the stands would be cool.

🔥W idea

[nocturne fern]

with something that unfun running around as much as it is its hard to have fun

[autumn shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1216024835088453743/1280765586082631681/attachment.gif

[signal tide]

Nerf the fucking Pike @teal ermine @peak nacelle

[cold bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/low-intelligence-specimen-gif-7870219346859963163

[uneven dagger]

What if heavy could full on sprint with the charge specialization as an alternative use of it without causing any damage, maybe put in a slide or long jump to give him some kind of movement

Also cl40 is super fun and balanced now thanks embark

[idle lantern]

All I can say, is cash out is the dumbest ranked game mode I’ve ever played in any game. Two types of teams… 1. Third partiers 2. People who play OBJ. And they can’t co-exist.

Oh and the spawns are sooooooo cheeks.

[nimble kiln]

Remove the game

[true epoch]

Hello, please refrain from tagging Embark Staff here on game-feedback.

[chilly canopy]

let's just check here for a second Light has: SH1900 195 Damage total if all pellets hit at close range, M26 matter 121 damage same case as the SH1900, Throwing Knives Alt fire 140 with a wind-up and projectile speed, SR-84 115 on a bolt-action rifle, Dagger with a high of 320 but only on a backstab which bugs out half the time and the sword at 140 with a wind-up lunge, both these last two are also melee range. Recurve bow 120 body 180 crit, needs to be charged up for full damage, slows the player when charging, and is a projectile.

Heavy has: Sledgehammer at 115 for normal and 200 for alt with a wind-up, melee range, and the slowest movement in the game, That is it for heavy -_-

Medium has: R ,357 148 headshot damage, range up to 23 meters, model 1887 128 damage at 15 meters or more depending on the target, and now the CL-40 117 damage at any range you can lob the rounds at with a fire rate of 210 RPM, and let's not forget the splash damage of its grenades.

as someone who used the CL-40 post and pre-buff, it was an excellent gun before this shit and had a good use case that got overlooked by everyone for an AR or model, now however it is oppressive to play against in any gunfight that takes next to no time to learn how to use.

and before someone says "Oh lights have a ton of stuff that deals way more damage than the CL-40 stop bitching" they have 150 HP, no AOE damage weapons and all of these have either a lower RPM than the CL-40 or a wind-up time of a little under a second, add onto that the fact that medium has nearly as much movement as a light on demand, healing/defib, and an extra 100 HP over lights.

Do you see why this shit is overtuned?

[vestal igloo]

light need a Damage reduction or smth tbh,so weak

[quartz cedar]

Daily CL-40 reminder

[cyan skiff]

Please tag everyone on patch notes when you finally nerf CL-40 to the ground. I will not be playing this game until then. Thank you.

[hazy shore]

was the cl40 buff made to keep the disabled audience playing?

[keen kestrel]

deagle akimbo needs to go as well. any class besides heavy gets melted instantly

[waxen axle]

CL40 IS SO OVERPOWERED

[quick coyote]

Nerf pike and model

[fading sinew]

Embark,

Tournament ladder/post game screen freeze.

Do not nerf the CL40 or the pike. Let the masses learn how to play around it.

My new gripe is after a match on the tournament ladder screen, my game will get stuck and I have to quit out and rejoin. If I do not catch it in time, a minute is lost and my team is at a huge disadvantage on the start of the game.

Please fix.

[coarse jetty]

this 50m headshot weekly is fuckign ridiculous lol

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah instead of nerfing these oppressive weapons that do not encourage skill we should totally learn how to play around them! Nerf pike and CL40.

[quick coyote]

so many complainers bruh 😭

[waxen hornet]

buff aps to have a longer life or have it on a cooldown timer akin to Jaeger's ads in siege to deal with grenades

a simple buff to mgl 32 would probably be giving it the ability to direct hit someone but still bounce if you whiff akin to the demoman grenade launcher in tf2 and the quake 1 grenade launcher

[brittle obsidian]

please explain how you play around a gun that can out-range and out-dps 90% of the guns in the game while simultaneously being good in cqc. the pike is gamewarpingly broken, anybody who has used the gun for more than 5 minutes can see that.

[signal basin]

Thank you so much for what you say !
People can use their brain more than 2sec before typing something here.

Embark read my name.

And do something for your third class you maybe forget. Buff the light in some way they can survive more or deal more damage without dying in an instant. Thanks !

[keen lily]

sometimes I have to restart my game to get the matchmaking working, fix this!
edit: I recognize it's broken when it doesn't show what will be the estimated queue time

[hazy shore]

rip lights, cl40/pike/deagle is here to cater to the braindead players

[hallow kindle]

Now that the hype of the new season has warn off I'm increasingly losing interest in playing because the balance right now is pretty bad. At this point I had way more fun playing S3.

-PIKE is broken a needs a nerf ASAP. No idea why you would release a gun that with significantly faster TTK then any of the ARs while making it effective at all ranges. It just flat out beats ARs at all ranges, whats the point of using ARs now? Nerf it's damage and reduce the stupid sway and visual recoil mechanics. You said you learned a lot about balance coming into S4 yet you continue to balance weapons based on visual recoil, why? It's awful and anyone with a decent monitor can just use bult in crosshair to counter it. Bad design,

-CL-40 again nerf ASAP. Just full on revert this until you can figure something out. This weapon literally takes no skill to use and is extremely frustrating to play against.

-50. Akimbo. Out classes most heavy guns right now and is a bit overpowered, similar to the PIKE it's pretty much heavies most effective gun at all ranges, why? Needs a nerf.

-Sword light. Why on earth would you buff this? Literally one of the most frustrating and anti fun things to play against in the game. Light player literally just dashing around being incredibly difficult to hit while just taking over half your health bar every lunge. Also absurdly forgiving hitbox on the lunge, some times I'm literally behind an obstacle and get hit through it.

-Stun gun. Please remove this from the game like you did recon. Do lights really needs this? Dealing with dash spam and invis is bad enough, they dont need a slow opener to guarantee a free kill. Frustrating and anti-fun

[compact badger]

As a dagger player, here are my thoughts on the S4 dagger. 🗡️ The first kill in an encounter feels easy since you can start charging a backstab while invisible (i.e., likely feels cheap for the person who suddenly dies), but then the dagger player, now discovered, is screwed for the remaining targets due to the combination of slow chargeup and no sprint whilst you're being attacked. This means that the S4 dagger is really only good for getting one kill before dying, or for killing an especially isolated target, which doesn't work very well even in the casual gamemodes. My personal opinion, and what I've seen echoed on the subreddit, is that the S4 dagger unfortunately feels a lot less fun to play than S3 dagger, which had such a good skill ceiling that really rewarded you with exciting high risk-high reward if you worked hard for it. For me, a way to opt-in to the old behavior (or a revert) would be perfect.

[wraith orchid]

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

[rocky verge]

More coins (the effect) when damaging or eliminating other contestants (also maybe a loud jingle noise when they hit the surfaces)

[elfin niche]

Medium need new weapons something different they all are the same

[waxen hornet]

this i can go with i would just like the guns and some abilities to be buffed a bit or have nerfs reverted so i can trade more evenly and be rewarded with my positioning and movement

[signal basin]

I'm Ok and with you about everything you say except about the stun gun.
I know and I agree too, yes, it's frustrating as fuck BUT YES, Light need this. Because this is maybe the only gadget who can hlep you to get a kill and not being kill in an instant. Without it, you can be sure you gonna die in 1 or 2 shot.

The XP54 do the same dmg now than the MP11 but there is more bullets in the M11 so why Light should use the XP ? Let's go for the M11 but again, you have to be closer than ever to do some kills. So yes, stun gun need to stay. I'm asking since a year now to more balance for the Light class because there is NO LIGHT META since a year. Even without a META, just go in ranked, NO ONE WANTS a Light in the squad. I wonder why... They are so useless and fragile, they can't help a lot, even with kill.
I'm asking Embark again fora change about survability OR more HP or more medium range damage.

[unreal fossil]

Pike/CL40: I agree without hesitation.

Deagles are just too precise/strong at longer ranges. The weapon is quite balanced otherwise IMO. It should be restricted to dealing lots of damage close to mid range.

Light sword is frustrating to play against, but not that easy to pull off (without dying quickly, that is). I agree that the hitbox is an incomprehensible clusterfuck, and someone who has mastered the sword can really get on your nerves quickly, even when you're playing with your team and covering each other's backs.

As much as I dislike getting stunned, it's not a guaranteed kill, unless the target is isolated/using a melee weapon. I played quite a few games with Light recently; because the class is meant to flank/harass enemies, often a bit further away from the team, the stun gun is a much needed life savior when you start to take too much heat. I actually use it defensively as much as I used it offensively. Good counter to Heavy C&S, oppressive enemy Lights, and of course a very strong tool to prevent steals, if you manage to get back to your Cashout quickly enough. The latter really allows Lights to help defend objectives, outside of just trying to stack up kills.

[glacial siren]

I have an idea for a future game-mode, probably someone already say it but what about a team deathmatch or capture the cash(capture the flag)?

[supple tinsel]

remove m26 matter

[sage sapphire]

straight up i would pay so much money to switch my number. 46 is lame af

[quick coyote]

they need like 20 man death match lol. 10v10

but maybe they just need to go ham, do a 8 teams 4 cashouts and reduce to 1v1 match.

[keen abyss]

Haven’t heard this , nice idea man

[glad ginkgo]

Everyone complaining about the new weapons and buffs. Post your KDs because I’m pretty sure the common denominator is y’all overestimate your skill level. Y’all really a bunch of weak bitches tbh.

[hazy shore]

found the cl40/pike user

[silk shadow]

as a defib player nothing brings me more joy than being subservant to my fellow men. when they yell at me and we completely do a 180 in a team fight cuz i drop everything im doing to please man and defib him, I get tingles. please embark never change the defibs, i love serving other men

[iron blaze]

i am constantly having issues connecting to games, and when i do manage to load in after reconnecting because i get kicked with "server time out" or "kicked from server" bug with the TGF000### whatever bug, when i do manage to reconnect (if i do) it's an extremely buggy experience, no gun model for a whole tournament, or wrong loadout and character model, plus i also get penalized for abandoning a match because the game decides to kick me from the tournaments or won't let me connect, I would really like to play the game but this is getting absolutely fucking ridiculous

[ocean ingot]

I like playing rank. But ever since people discovered how powerful the CL-40 is, it's all I see people using now. I really want to get in the game but dreading to play against a stack of CL-40s in a team and sometimes even 3 other teams. I've joined the CL-40 meta but I just don't find it fun to play like that. Even World Tour isn't safe from this meta. This is really a personal preference but I really like playing with a bang than a boom.

[night vortex]

I also love defib for this reason. Embark, please understand defibbing is the only way I can feel validated. Making people stand up, raw and hard, with my own hands really gets me going. On my knees, defibbing, then holding heal until they’re full and safe. Then they can fill me up after the match 😉

[quiet jay]

I can't believe this. 2 other people who just feel pure subservience while using the defib, getting other men from laying down to upright attention brings me the greatest joy.

[dusky tree]

Powershift, 3 enemy mediums with the Pike. We got demolished, we had no chance. My teammate went 0-12. The gun is way too good

[strange ermine]

Can we please do something about flames sticking to the Riot Shield?? I'm really fucking tired of getting one-shot by pyro grenades.

[brisk garden]

petition to remove kyoto from the map pool

[merry valve]

real as hell

[toxic shadow]

This point might make sense if you are really fucking dense and exclude the fact youre comparing a destruction gadget on the heavy class to a primary weapon on the medium class

[vestal igloo]

thanks 🙂 would be a very good idea,so the light ones don't die so fast and the heavys could make them a little weaker,so it's easier to balance a class without having to touch so many weapons.

[shell quest]

Couple notes.

1. RPG is an opening item, as they said. The CL40 is a primary weapon. Not an opener or a destruction item. Case in point: 6-shots to destroy a wall.
2. Heavy has the highest win rate and very little downside to playing because health is king. You fail to recall that only two seasons ago, you couldn't even one-mag a heavy with 4-direct shots with the CL40. It was the only weapon in the game that couldn't kill a heavy with a single silo.

So you think the CL-40 shouldn't have to land 100% of the shots to kill a heavy? Compare that to the double barrel where you most definitely have to land both shots to kill a heavy or med, and that's at point blank range.

To demand perfect accuracy to kill a heavy with one of only two lobbed weapons in game - now one of three weapons in the game with ballistics - is absurd.

The shotgun, on the other hand, has insane risk vs reward. It CAN one-mag a heavy, yes, and it also has to be perfect, yes. But it can be done in less than a second with no reaction time alotted to the victim. That's the benefit. If you fuck up (hint: most people do), you're gonna get turned on and, as a light, get lit the fuck up and likely die.

If your intent was to prevent a large damage opener for the heavy that's okay, but why give it to the med? I think a good compromise would be to make the CL do the same amount of damage as the RPG.. Theoretically the weapons are both launching a grenade...

The CL40 isn't an opener that can dish out a heavy-killing blow in half a second whereas the old RPG could kill a light/medium in roughly that time with no immediate telegraphed counterplay opportunities. The heavy does insane damage on it's own. Per magazine, it has the highest damage potential because it's meant to sustain damage over the duration of emptying a box and most heavies land that damage, especially now with the recoil tweaks to their MG's and the intro of a red dot for the M60.

I'm so tired of these whitebox scenarios that people play in their heads that 'Oh, the heavy can be killed in 3 shots'. Are you standing still? Are you not utilizing, I don't know, one of 3 (technically 4) shield options that the heavy offers? That's the point. It's an aggressive weapon to cover-check a heavy and force them into CDs - IE: playing their intended role.

What I WILL say, to your credit (or maybe not), is that the CL40 is far too forgiving to mediums shooting it at their own feet in a duel. This was the same issue the RPG had: a heavy could dish out insane damage in a short period of time, usually done within self-infliction range, instakill a light or medium, and then moonwalk away with little consequence. So with that said, I think the CL40 should inflict MORE self-damage to enforce longer range engagements and forcing players into actually getting skill-checked with their lobbed accuracy.

[elfin niche]

I think that medium feels the same no matter what you use and unless you use the akm you are not as good because fcar is weaker modle 1887 has horrible reload the cl-40 is a bit weird and pike is no good with bad wepons and the rest you have to up close and is not good.Whereas I feel the heavy can use what ever wepon and will always destroy me no matter what. I feel the medium does not have unique wepons and the all feel the same

[cold bolt]

medium is meta what are you on about

[dark niche]

Day2 of asking bring back Console Only Servers, (ik you can turn crossplay off but seriously who does it, you aint gonna find a match with it off) im getting pinged Fcar like 100m away its unreal.

[amber grove]

idk why but i get more fps drops and glitchy textures this season compared to S3 or S2, game used to run on 180fps on medium graphics now barely manages 100

[keen abyss]

My team was fighting yesterday for a cashout, killed the whole team who was on cashout and my two teammates died and i was trying to steal last second just to get killed by a pink team that came in last second and stole it so its like all that fighting i did was for absolutely nothing

[tawdry tree]

Players playing ranked as a team of two because the third mate never loaded should not lose as much point as a three team players when they get eliminated. It's feels unfair and rely demoralizing playing a game you're sure you're gonna lose and see all your hard work getting crushed for nothing

[high wing]

Season 4 of The Finals is a major disappointment. Embark prioritizes metrics over quality, leaving players frustrated with a lackluster update and zero transparency.

Technical issues remain rampant: lag, desync, poor hit registration, crashes, and a respawn system that actively hurts competitive integrity. Game still doesnt have a ping indicator.

Gameplay is unbalanced: Defibrillator trivializes death and should be a specialization. Heal Beam is overtuned. Parkour, while fun, is inconsistent.

Social features are barebones: no friend leaderboards, limited communication options, and no way to view friend ranks without being in a party.

Critical issues are ignored: rampant cheating, lack of player profiles, store currency not displayed in local currency, poor spectator mode, and uninspired map design. Ranked mode is particularly neglected, with no protection for players experiencing teammate disconnects and no rank score restoration when cheaters are banned.

Embark, we need action, not empty promises. Address these issues, communicate openly, and prioritize quality over quick fixes. The Finals has potential, but only if you start listening to your players.

[leaden ledge]

Day2 of asking bring back Console Only Servers, (ik you can turn crossplay off but seriously who does it, you aint gonna find a match with it off) im getting pinged Fcar like 100m away its unreal.

[vestal igloo]

I play on console and for me it's good to play against pc people, being at a disadvantage makes you become a better player.

[fallen mirage]

I'd love to see each classes weapons and gadgets being available as custom items you can add to your Drip. For example, as a guy who plays Medium support, having defibrillators or a goo grenade hanging off your waist, combined with a healing beam slung across your back would be awesome...

[indigo geyser]

I don’t know which game dev will wanna hear it, but I have an idea for if you were to bring back “Dead Go Boom!” Why not make it to where every player’s TOTEM acts as an explosive mine with an extended and readable radius? Maybe you can shoot another player’s totem to make it explode, and it can redetonate after 8 seconds or so

[sudden zodiac]

Again I think TA should rarely be looked at for cash out balance other than what went wrong. The reason light was so powerful wasn't really the potential in combos it was its self sufficiency. You could get an early surprise pick that couldn't be revived or trade damage that couldn't be regenerated. Then with that chip damage all other classes are pulled to similar health pools and light would almost always win a fight against the other classes at similar health range. Which are both entirely unapplicable to cash out.

Resetting is kinda out of the meta? Brother resetting is the meta, it is triple mediums you just reset mid fight with heal beam and fib. The counter is either by getting a grenade they don't notice at a teams feet to do a large burst of damage (boring and lame) and then try and fly in while they're trying to reset, or just doing more damage with pike and model (boring and lame).

Fibbing should be less incentivized in the middle of fights and players should have more options to punish. Like canceling it outright, and options like that should be given to the other classes to play into a rock paper scissors loop to prop up having one of each class. IE glitch canceling defib in hologram.

[strange ermine]

It would be so much more enjoyable than Low Gravity, which just serves to fuck melee mains even more.

[silk sail]

just learn to control the recoil its not a pc advantage i play pc with controller and still beam people across map with fcar

[north beacon]

game crashed for the third time of the day,and I'm playing rank😡

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[slate trout]

50 headshots from 50m away is a bit unreasonable of a weekly to do. Even if you go out of your way to do it, it is a very hard contract to do.

[broken herald]

nerf model1887, cl and pike

[coarse jetty]

my progress got alot faster when i set my fov to the lowest possible value lol. but its ridiculous that this even has to be done in the first place to feasibly get this challenge done in any sense, it should just be 50 headshots with snipers/marksman weapons, that would be satisfying. but embark keeep asking more from us in their challenges every single season and this is the limit for how bad it can be before i just stop caring about even trying to level up my bp

[wraith orchid]

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

[drifting lynx]

we got bunny ears, where the cat ears????

[dark niche]

Day 64, to bring console only servers out, xbox and ps4 crossplay only.

[analog hearth]

what is this? what is this for? who is this for? How many months do I have to do these stupid tasks? The developers apparently forgot that not all players are pro. With the start of Season 4, winning even 1 round is very difficult. For me, this is already a rarity. Hitting the head from 50 meters 50 times? Even if I take a sniper rifle specifically for this task and go on power shift, then at best I still get 2 headshots per round. And I need 50! This is madness.
I'm already on the verge of dropping the game because now there is no fun in it. Only stupid grind and sweat.

[bold lantern]

@sharp lantern You've got almost 3 full months to finish these, do yourself a favour and don't focus these tasks - just play and they'll finish eventually

[glacial sierra]

oceania ranked go brrr

[verbal breach]

Here is a list of changes that might make the dual blades viable:

-Damage Combo to 110, 120, 80
| Allows for kill combos with a quick melee

-Deflected Bullets can crit (uses crit mod from the deflected weapon)
| raises skill ceiling

-widen the deflect cone slightly

-blocks 50% of explosion damage
| we need something against grenade launchers, ok

Please Embark 🙏

[odd ibex]

Rework ideas

3 health beam plus defib it’s crazy,health beam needs to start off at a slow pace for medium and especially heavies and then heal at a normal rate.

Pike is so strange,it’s like a way better revolver,if u could add a more zoomed sight for revolver it would be perfect.
A camping medium with pike’s long range and high fire rate is crazy to deal with.
Pike is a better lh with more health as medium,bad new entry as a weapon.

Pike needs a total hip fire nerf and lower fire rate.

Data reshaper rework should be if u reshape 3 orange barrels then u get one time use of a pyro grenade or gas if u get green canister or glitch grenade if u get 3 blue barrels,your team mates can gather them,so there is teamwork!

Gravity boots for wall running?

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positions and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

[polar shell]

ARE ASIAN SERVERS DOWN OR WHAT?

[feral adder]

U post this 10 times per day, stop

[idle oracle]

Not really. A melee main like me has to focus on this to get it done, and in most modes, taking shots over such a long distance is usually a detriment to the game.

[lament heron]

• there is a new type of problem, people in high rank lobbies pays for cheaters to get boosted. Very anoying, they can do a new account as soon as they lost the previous one and continue to boost.

-please nerf or rework the defib because medium literally has 2 option for gadgets (or more likely one because of the mobility items) but defib is no question for anyone. Would be nice to have more options and make the defib less obvious to choose

• we are having crash issues and server lags

-i just don’t understand why the light sword got buffed in s4, it was already broken. I think we need something to counter them or just nerf the sword. For example would be nice if the dash distance would be the only distance they gain, no extra moves forward

[lethal temple]

---

COLOR BLINDNESS

Could you please change one of the orange colors to green!??
It's confusing trying to tell which team is which during the world tour or ranked (4 teams)!

.

[bold lantern]

If you're exclusively gonna play rock, it makes sense that the task requiring you to play paper or scissors isn't gonna get completed. If you're gonna hyper-optimize the fun out of a game, then yes; these missions will require focus. In basically all other scenarios the'll complete on their own over time, even the more obnoxious ones.

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[slate trout]

Absolutely not. Even during normal gameplay you are absolutely not hitting headshots at 50m away. It’s already unreliable to hit headshots in normal gunplay in this game. Making people do it at 50m should be universally agreed upon as ridiculous.

[fleet socket]

Please embark, I need drip

[strange ermine]

This shit has got to go. holy fuck.

[analog hearth]

If I don't focus on these tasks I won't do it even in 3 months

[wraith orchid]

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

[foggy nymph]

The purpose of these free challenges are to encourage players to use different items/weapons and broaden horizons. If you want the rewards you will do the challenges and if you aren't encouraged enough by the rewards to complete the challenges then don't do them.

[high wing]

Season 4 of The Finals is a major disappointment. Embark prioritizes metrics over quality, leaving players frustrated with a lackluster update and zero transparency.

Technical issues remain rampant: lag, desync, poor hit registration, crashes, and a respawn system that actively hurts competitive integrity. Game still doesnt have a ping indicator.

Gameplay is unbalanced: Defibrillator trivializes death and should be a specialization. Heal Beam is overtuned. Parkour, while fun, is inconsistent.

Social features are barebones: no friend leaderboards, limited communication options, and no way to view friend ranks without being in a party.

Critical issues are ignored: rampant cheating, lack of player profiles, store currency not displayed in local currency, poor spectator mode, and uninspired map design. Ranked mode is particularly neglected, with no protection for players experiencing teammate disconnects and no rank score restoration when cheaters are banned.

Embark, we need action, not empty promises. Address these issues, communicate openly, and prioritize quality over quick fixes. The Finals has potential, but only if you start listening to your players.

[hazy bobcat]

i reckon a tutorial update is needed. With a lot of newer players coming in with the new season (HOORAY) theres also a lot of people that dont understand the basic concepts of the game. It only really takes one player who doesnt know they shouldnt be killing the team thats about to save the game to ruin it for the rest of the lobby. somehow i even see lvl 60+ players doing the same... I think we can take a page out of valorants book with their, long overdue, but undeniably successful tutorial revamp.

update: i also see a lot of criticism but i dont think it should be taken away from just how much more direction the game has now in the new season. really the first season i feel like im playing a contestant in the finals and im here for it.

[torpid sky]

nerf model
nerf pike
nerf cl (it's not op unless u play light but overall it's annoying to play against so make it dogshit again)

revert mesh shield that nerf is horrid

do smth about dash to make it more viable in comp/pro setting

buff the servers

[onyx crystal]

this

[gaunt fossil]

can we please have an fcar buff at some point this season? there’s still very little reason to use it over the akm, and pretty much no reason to ever use it over the pike or model.

its recoil, range and damage aren’t that great, and those 5 extra bullets given to it really didn’t mean much when you think about every other hit it took. i don’t think most people would mind if it happened to lose some fire rate in exchange for a less jarring recoil pattern, slightly higher damage (say 22 to 24) and a reduction in magazine size to compensate for it.

[wintry oyster]

Buff aps or nerf cl-40
At least turn up the self inflicted damage by it so you need some skill to use it

[umbral anchor]

i was honestly wondering if there could be voicelinea added to the healbeam when you completely heal a teamate something like "All full"

[odd ibex]

Is it a bad idea tho?
Because most comments r for cl and pike nerf my rework idea for data reshaper is important

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positioning and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad that’s sticks to enemies or walls. It’s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal it’s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map
Give sonar back to medium

[fleet socket]

Nerf this buff that, what we really need is more drip in this game

[idle oracle]

Yes, I agree to that. But point is that A: some players have to actually focus on it. (Arguably for too long in my opinion. I can tell whether I like a playstyle in an hour. Any longer is a chore -> not fun)
B: The actual challenge is actually rarely a good idea in most matches but powershift. If you are making shots over that long, even as a sniper, you are usually way out of position. And powershift players already complain about the excessive amount of snipers, but it is the only mode where this challenge is viable while playing to win.
In short, main point I was making that this is a challenge you have to really focus on to complete, especially for some players but really, for all. It doesn’t just happen like building structure damage.
Edit: this was in response to people talking about the headshot challenge and replying to my reply on it not being a focus.

[tired oasis]

PLS nerf the CL40, this game is unplayable

[late orchid]

For real, every lobby I play has constant grenade spam, and it's just a headache to play the game now. <Thunk, Boom> <Thunk, Boom> <Thunk, Boom> just ALL THE TIME

[fossil vault]

Please add rehabilitation services for the so called "light mains". They appear to lack critical thinking and are addicted to dopamine based solely off of their stats in THE FINALS

[hexed lotus]

wondering if the devs have considered lowering the vr cost of sights.
i really want to play with the new guns but i feel i need to prioritize between saving for the new guns and buying sights for the weapons, considering that the new guns are all 1600 and the sights are 800, almost just as much as an og weapon it feels like a bit of a grind and something that turns me off pretty bad as a casual player.

[keen abyss]

Bru aint no way😂

[gritty owl]

I'm not sure how to nerf it without ruining it. Maybe limit it to one or two charges per life. Nerfing health after defi revive or charge up time would make it not fun to use I feel like.

[lament heron]

Maybe make people killable in the defib animation 🤷‍♂️ they can get back in full health but also killable

[celest helm]

why is the cl40 allowed to exist in this state

[low stream]

Grenade Launcher alternative fire Ideas:
Currently both grenade launcher have a little zoom when using m2.
aside from buffs or nervs.

CL-40

Alt- fire could have an indicator like throw able grenades. It isnt that useful for veteran players, but for newer players.

MGL32

Like the CL-40, alt-fire could also have an trajectory indicator like throwables.
Then also holding m2, will change the shooting direction vertically. Giving the launcher a mini-mortar mode without aiming into to sky.

Both weapons are very annoying to play against and the cl-40 seems on a rampage atm. So here is an other idea for a nerv:
Make the normal cl-40 m1 not that reliable. So players have to use the alt fire more make them easier target.
i guess longer reload times should do the trick maybe too.

[bronze flame]

it's not even about being pro. my PC has a hard time registring players on the screen at long ranges so this is impossible

[tropic root]

well... I made Ichikawa-san very proud today

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[high wing]

new respawn System SUCKS

[thorny lynx]

Is anyone else bugged with the do 4000dmg from 50m or more challenge for Engimo?

[bronze pumice]

• CL-40 nerf
• Model nerf (just a bit more spread)
• Pike nerf
• Make the spear alternate attack cancellable
• Glitch Grenades should explode on impact
• Make Sonar Grenades destroyable
• Reinforce the buildings on Fortune Stadium a little bit? They just crumble apart from a couple of nades unlike other maps
• Mesh shield Nerf reverted slightly
• Would like to see sys$Horizon and Fortune Stadium eventually get some love with variants
• Release the other variants of the hair used in the rockabilly outfit, they existed in the OB but we only got the blonde version in the battlepass back in S1

[ember verge]

I cannot tell you how frustrating it is to die by a 6ft tall man running at a brisk pace.

Either make it so you cannot hit people multiple times during the charge or nerf the charge damage.... yeah by the way- THE SWORDS HEAVY ATTACK DOES 140 DAMAGE, AND THE CHARGE DOES 130, DOES THIS AT ALL MAKE SENSE?

[broken shore]

Are you kidding me

[torpid sky]

more spread to model won't do much, 128dmg is ridiculous it needs a dmg nerf + spread, that so called shotgun out range lewis gun bro

@lament heron this is not cod where it's okay to deal 128 dmg on hit, it's literally a better rpg with a bigger mag size with only downside is aoe

[proper crescent]

It took me like a day or 2 to have every sight and the new weapons except shotty

[lament heron]

It does. Shotguns must be crazy dmg in close range. The model’s actual problem is it’s crazy good even in mid range (10-20m) more spread should fix this issue since even if you perfectly aiming to the center, the dmg won’t be that crazy

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[bold silo]

DEVS ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO MAKE WORKING RANKED SYSTEM, PLS HIRE COMPETENT PEOPLE, 1 YEAR AND IT SUCKS, WHAT A WAY TO DESTROY A GAME

[burnt notch]

What do you want changed/how do you want it fixed?
If you don’t have a proper suggestion to actually fix the ranked system, then don’t be yelling dog shit claims like this.

[rose basin]

Nerf GL, thus game looks like Fortnite with all the people hopping around

[lost canyon]

Yo didn’t the patch notes say the dual pistols on heavy are suppose to be inaccurate?? These things are a point and click 😂😂

[indigo sandal]

😅

[pseudo leaf]

ranked be like:
win 5 games in a row
get to top 300
lose 3 games in first round because of wired team mates
lose mental and try to play for fun light
get flamed
lose more
get bored and play serious
repeat

[potent oasis]

I am in final round curretnly
3 M in enemy team and 3 M in my team
5 CL40 players
1 Ak47, Me
What to say embark?

[analog hearth]

In season 4, every round of the game now always looks like this to me. I don't know what you broke there, but something is clearly wrong. In previous seasons it was much easier

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[bold silo]

I HAVE IT RANKED SUGGESTION AND I WROTE IT ALREADY, IT IS SIMPLE.THEY ARE INCOMPETANT AND NOT LISTENING TO FEEDBACK AT ALL.

YOU GET EXTRA POINTS FOR HOW MUCH COMBAT, SUPPORT, OBJECTIVE ETC YOU DONE IN GAME PERSONALLY, IF FOR EXAMPLE 50% OF ALL TEAM STATS ARE YOURS YOU GET NOT 1000 POINTS BU RATHER 1500, YOUR TEAMATES LESS THAN 1000 PROPORTIONALLY.

SAME WITH LOSING, WHY WOULD YOU LOSE 1000 POINTS IF YOU DID 90% OF OBJECTIVES?

THIS WAY BAD PLAYERS WIll LOSE POINTS, GOOD GAIN, WHICH IS FUCKING POINT OF RANKED.

IT IS EASY TO IMPLEMENT AND FAIR, BUT DEVS JUST DUM DUM

[dapper kite]

I agree with you. It's a stupid challenge. Especially since many people don't even have a sniper as their main weapon (like me).
The other is that I tried all night yesterday (on P.Shift). Quite a few people got headshots (and the lights died from one shot), but the system still didn't give it...It was 50 meters though.

[keen lily]

Pike is terrible and needs a nerf, way too strong

[vernal ridge]

Yes

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[tired fable]

☝️

[restive crescent]

either nerf cl-40 or buff APS

[shell quest]

Iunno what I'm missing here, but this looks like a pretty unremarkable game across the board.

[spark shard]

Day 4/100: Change matchmaking for solo players.

I'm very pleased with all the changes you've brought this season, thank you!

However, the matchmaking has been broken since Season 2. In Season 3, I didn't play much ranked because it was TA, and I detest that game mode. I thought that during that season, meaning Season 3, you were working on the matchmaking to have something decent for Season 4, but I see that this issue continues from Season 2.

My matchups make no sense, neither in terms of rank nor in terms of the dedication to the game, which is evident when I compare my number of kills and revives with those of my teammates. And when I look at the other teams, they are with the people who should be matched with me, but instead, I'm playing against them.

I'm saying all this from the perspective of someone who plays solo, without a team. When can we expect improvements in matchmaking for solo players? Seriously, we've been like this since Season 2, it's very frustrating.

Note: I've even had people on my team who said in chat that they were playing ranked for "fun" in the sense of playing "quick play." This is a bad joke.

Note 2: I don't mind if it takes longer to find a game as long as it improves the current experience. I'd rather wait more than 2 minutes or however long it takes than wait 10 seconds and end up with a team with zero skill.

Note 3: Do not use the excuse of not changing the matchmaking in the middle of a season when you make buffs and nerfs to weapons, gadgets, etc., which also affect the game in the middle of the season. You have had enough time to do something about it.

[glacial knot]

Agree

[heady drift]

NERF THE CL-40. Literally everyone is using the CL-40. It's just basically playing tanks. why would i bother playing this game or use any other weapons if the CL-40 can 1 shot me as a light?

[carmine forum]

Thoughts.
There should be a play of the game cam at the end of matches or some kind of highlights. I think the end of a match should feel more like the ending of a game show. The games is so awesome to watch and to see some of the plays people make at the end of a match with closing comments from the commentators would be sweet.
Maybe could play into the fan system where you could get bonus fans for getting the play of the game or getting into the highlights.

[boreal sentinel]

Can u add a parry mechanics for the dual blades against melee weapons when timed correctly? Like come on guys. Why do you gotta make the dual blades sucks ass while the cringe light sword can literally spam the fuck out of their cringe plunge with the combo of their bloody dash? While we dual blades users cant even out run them for the kill. Geeze

[long arrow]

+1 embark pls ^^

[native berry]

playing in kyoto is a nightmare, i still get frame drops which eventually lead to a crash
its really getting annoying lol
but i hope this gets fixed and maybe optimized

[torpid sky]

don't buff APS, just nerf CL

[vestal granite]

Any chance the new map could be put in Power Shift?

[fervent vortex]

Don’t do either lol

[plush grotto]

I don’t know about anyone else but I’ve had terrible hit reg and gnarly stuttering with the new update. Even watching my teammates beam players and the shots not registering

[balmy hare]

Please change the sound effect for the baseball bat skin inspect for the sword and the home run emote theyre extremely weak and dont sound anything like a wooden bat hitting a baseball

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[keen lily]

fix the invisible objects on fortune stadium after destroying the walls they are still there with the collision, shit is annoying as fuck

[silent fog]

Kyoto was already the worst map by far, now it's so much worse with the fucking pike and scoped lh1. Remove it from WT/Ranked or give us map voting in WT/Ranked so nobody has to ever play that garbage again

[odd ibex]

💥Auto cross for heavy and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

[devout talon]

Are people okay with the nerf healing ? I feel frustrated to only heal half pv of a heavy and already a the full charge and have to wait
Maybe a full charge of heal is too much but 50% (I don't know / think it's actually is 50%) is not enough ?

[quaint light]

heal still feels like the best specialization by far to me, didnt notice the nerf much

[eager cipher]

I main healing beam in ranked, and still feel like it and defibs need to be nerfed more 😂

[cursive lotus]

Ye it’s getting worse and worse because ppl crying about it. 👍

[ebon isle]

how are you supposed to climb in ranked when you lose -1300 rs when you lose one game???

[pseudo leaf]

my game crushed twice in a row in ranked i lost 1k for that xd

[nimble kiln]

listen to the actually good players👍

[wintry oyster]

I don’t get ranked. Didn’t embark want to introduce a ranked system that consists of both team and personal performance?
Why are we back at team placement then? It’s confusing.

[wraith orchid]

there are so many bugs in this game that appear last second when i try to clutch the obj. its hilarious. tryed to taser someone stealiong on a moving and bugged straight through the plate xd

[lavish summit]

adding an aim trainer into the practice range similar to valorant would be very helpful for players rather than predictable moving targets

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[nocturne torrent]

Please nerf lights they’re ruining the game they deal way too much damage too quickly

[fleet socket]

Embark let me empty the bank with the next weekly store

[restive crescent]

yeah, i think nerfing cl-40 is the best scenario, cuz if we buff APS it would make granades and other things useless

[languid breach]

Can y’all fix this game for Xbox please thanks

[torn canyon]

I’m sorry who thought get 5 elims from 40m away with gadgets was a solid plan?

[bold silo]

I HAVE A RANKED SUGGESTION AND I WROTE IT ALREADY, IT IS SIMPLE.THEY ARE INCOMPETANT AND NOT LISTENING TO FEEDBACK AT ALL.

YOU GET EXTRA POINTS FOR HOW MUCH COMBAT, SUPPORT, OBJECTIVE ETC YOU DONE IN GAME PERSONALLY, IF FOR EXAMPLE 50% OF ALL TEAM STATS ARE YOURS YOU GET NOT 1000 POINTS BU RATHER 1500, YOUR TEAMATES LESS THAN 1000 PROPORTIONALLY.

SAME WITH LOSING, WHY WOULD YOU LOSE 1000 POINTS IF YOU DID 90% OF OBJECTIVES?

THIS WAY BAD PLAYERS WIll LOSE POINTS, GOOD GAIN, WHICH IS FUCKING POINT OF RANKED.

IT IS EASY TO IMPLEMENT AND FAIR, BUT DEVS JUST DUM DUM

[blazing haven]

My feedback to you: take a breath

[dapper kite]

It would be nice. Or Las Vegas. 😊 ❤️

[keen lily]

this game used to be cool, now it's incredibly frustrating, fire the balancing team they are disconnected from how the game actually plays

[vestal granite]

I’m a big powershift player and was definitely disappointed when I figured out the new map wasn’t in. Could have a very fun line through the buildings

[delicate lily]

I've been really enjoying this season so far but holy fuck the grenade launchers LMAO, literally 80% of people are just using that and with 2 or 3 people shooting at you it's extremely unfun 😭

[sudden pawn]

EMBARK add something to grind else then cosmetics bc rn if u are a plr who doesnt care for cosmetics you play a few games get 3000 (idk what they are called) and can basicly buy ur dream loadout and if u also dont care for ranks ur basicly done with grinding and done with the game. Many games have weapons u only unlock with a higher rank but that just doesnt fit in the finals one thing that would be cool is that u can unlock attachment with the weapon rank instead of just skins bc there are already sights but u have to buy them which I think isnt that fitting I think it would be better to unlock the sight with weapon rank 1 then with 2 idk a bigger mag and with 3 a better stock which gives u less recoil or something like that so u can really grind ur weapons...

[ebon isle]

No wonder nobody gets out of silver and gold when you gain 1300 rs from WINNING and lose around -1000 by just placing 6-7th so u need to have like 75% winrate to even balamce it out i dont get this at all

[burnt notch]

It’s called being good at the game

[mossy wharf]

NERF THE STUPID CL40.

[magic stratus]

CL40 is barely an issue, just bad players who don't know how to counter it

[upper citrus]

Real and true but it’s so low effort that it’ll probably cause casual players to leave. So they should nerf it

[autumn warren]

You just have to advance to round 2. If you’re regularly in 7-8th you just have silver equivalent skill

[ashen stirrup]

i feel like revolver hip fire should be a bit more accurate, the FAMAS feels very good after all hipfire changes. I think most guns in game should live to that standard of hipfire consistency

[thick sorrel]

I'm out. I will try again when CL 40 is fixed. I thought they learned their lesson with Patch 3.0 but Matt must have smoke something strong to make the same Mistake again...

[iron solar]

idk if its just me but have the destruction mechanics changed? seems over the top now, graphics card can barely keep up D:

[high wing]

Season 4 of The Finals is a major disappointment. Embark prioritizes metrics over quality, leaving players frustrated with a lackluster update and zero transparency.

Technical issues remain rampant: lag, desync, poor hit registration, crashes, and a respawn system that actively hurts competitive integrity. Game still doesnt have a ping indicator.

Gameplay is unbalanced: Defibrillator trivializes death and should be a specialization. Heal Beam is overtuned. Parkour, while fun, is inconsistent.

Social features are barebones: no friend leaderboards, limited communication options, and no way to view friend ranks without being in a party.

Critical issues are ignored: rampant cheating, lack of player profiles, store currency not displayed in local currency, poor spectator mode, and uninspired map design. Ranked mode is particularly neglected, with no protection for players experiencing teammate disconnects and no rank score restoration when cheaters are banned.

Embark, we need action, not empty promises. Address these issues, communicate openly, and prioritize quality over quick fixes. The Finals has potential, but only if you start listening to your players.

[coral forum]

Comparing the Dev Notes for RPG and CL-40

RPG-7
Decreased damage from 140 to 100

Dev Note:** We never really intended the RPG to be an ‘opener’ in combat,** even if it is an item that is more accessible to new players, the intent was always that this was for destruction first and foremost. We believe this change makes it still usable as an opener, but a much less valuable one, shifting its focus back to destruction and breaching.

CL-40
Increased max damage from 93 to 117
Increased the max damage radius from 9cm to 30cm

Dev Note: "This change sounds significant, but keeps the weapon in a place where it still takes two shots to kill a Light and three shots to kill a Medium. The change is mostly aimed at making a Heavy three shots to kill instead of four, as we felt it was unfair to the CL-40 to have to land all four of its available four shots (i.e. 100% accuracy) to kill a Heavy without reloading

So you think the CL-40 shouldn't have to land 100% of the shots to kill a heavy? Compare that to the double barrel where you most definitely have to land both shots to kill a heavy or med, and that's at point blank range.

If your intent was to prevent a large damage opener for the heavy that's okay, but why give it to the med? I think a good compromise would be to make the CL do the same amount of damage as the RPG.. Theoretically the weapons are both launching a grenade...

The bottom line is the CL-40 is doing a lot of damage with a single shot (more than the RPG). It creates a real problem for light players specifically.

[torn canyon]

1: You need to hit minimum of fourth if you are less than 3rd seed to make profit. This means winning ONE round is enough to gain points.

2: If you are looking to rank up, YOU SHOULD have a high win rate in your current rank to show you don’t belong.

3: Just git gud and win.

[cyan crane]

I think a slight useful buff to dual blades would be to add a small multiplier to striking enemy rear. Would end up really useful in cashout defending scenarios, as it feels ridiculously slow to kill a medium or a heavy stealing

[autumn musk]

ADD MORE COLORS TO THE WEAPON TIERS

[slender token]

Just played a ranked game where the cashout glitched into the ground on Kyoto. Waited the entire 15 minutes, nobody had cash, and we still got 2nd. FIX YOUR GAME EMBARK.

[tacit whale]

Id love to see prop hunt as a limited time game mode for Halloween 🙏❤️

[uneven dagger]

People still think caps lock makes their suggestions louder

[warm vapor]

Can you please let us choose if we want or not L in matchmaking? even If I have to wait 20min for each game is better then to always get a L player who always go by himself, never revives, camps on cranes or any other bs lights usually do...

[nova sedge]

Dual Blade Wishlist (im begging embark im on my knees)

o please do something about dual blades inconsistent deflecting (sometimes I hold
deflect within 10m of my aggressor and all bullets fuck off to another country,
or do nothing and turn me into a pile of coins or they drill into him and
possibly (maybe) deal damage, the latter happening rarely)

o deflected bullets go directly to crosshair (I feel like this would make
deflected kills feel more skill based instead of pure luck (please itd be so
fun))

o melee movement speed buff (10 - 15% speed buff for both melee options, medium
doesn't have the speed and movement like light, or survivability and demolition
like heavy to be able to catch up and secure kills, I've had multiple times
when mediums and lights just hold w the other way and live no matter what i do,
zipline can be useful for this but it's quite difficult to use in a chase)

o ability to immediately block and interrupt your own attack animation (would
make fighting sledge and other melee more approachable, being able to block
right before a sledge overhead would be massive and so rewarding to do mid
fight)

o possibly making the final attack not so slow to wind up (not the biggest gripe
but it feels bad to use)

all of these things or at least one would make the dual blades not the worst weapon in the game anymore please

[mossy wharf]

Anyone else having issues only on Kyoto for xbox console?

[odd ibex]

💥Auto cross for heavy and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

[tribal spoke]

Sure, Embark please do something for the dual blades! Either my earlier suggestion's or this

[drifting leaf]

can you add seeing your friends list rank and whatnot

[opaque dock]

Justice for dual blades 🔥

[teal bear]

ICYMI Just a heads up the 40m kills with gadgets: ASSISTS COUNT I got it done in one power shift match where I know for a fact I didn't kill anyone with the grenades I was throwing

[wise jolt]

surely a deagle heavy hits every shot consistently at max firerate while ur dancing around him close range. cheaters suck... just robbing u of playing normally and getting ur points.

[surreal meadow]

**EMBARK!!

DROP 5v5 CASH

AND MY WALLET IS YOURS!!! Day 28/100 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥**

[quick wind]

Having played throughout all of season 3, imo season 4 first and foremost brings major unbalancing in terms of variety to be used in the current Meta.

1. Nerf the Pyke, big time.
2. Reverse the changes to the Mesh shield - Only effective tool against long range to close the distance for damage for weapons like flamethrower, sledgehammer and shotgun, and no the hook, with its 12 sorry meters of range, doesnt cut it. Heavies are suffering from this change.

[worn horizon]

i think the xp-54 got a bit too much of a nerf, there are better weapons to always pick over the xp. very low damage per mag (480 is very low), long reload, and not the best hipfire for being SMG. its bad in close quarters and decent on medium range but the v9s simply outclasses it in versatility which is okay, but even the m11 is the overall better pick. i think the xp just needs a slight buff to its range, where it can outperform the m11 even more. 15 > to maybe 18 meter minimum drop off and 27,5 to 30 meter. the modifier should also increase from 70% to 75%. just my suggestion

[daring fossil]

easy? throw some nades in a room and done. Be thankful you don't have the 50 headshots beyond 50 meters one.

[upper citrus]

Why would I ever play a class with downsides when I could play medium

[opal pine]

Please make the battlepasses permanent and be available for purchase at all times.
Helldivers 2 and Halo Infinite got nothing but praise from players for practicing this monetization system, and in my opinion should become industry standard.
I know this will require some adjustments due to the passes giving enough multi bucks to unlock the next one (maybe do what Halo Infinite did and make the old battlepasses only be purchaseable by real money), but abundance of content will always be more appealing to new players than fomo.

[winged sparrow]

please can we rever the dagger backstab change? or make the hold an additonal?

[next tartan]

Yo, this game disconnects people from the server and doesn't even let back into the server for server not being responsive. Later you are left with no other option but to leave the game. You are penalized for leaving the game!!!

[torn canyon]

50 headshots can be done off of cooldown. Gadgets require timing, position and the luck to make it work. Headshots at 50m is annoying but not anymore so than gadget elims

[silent fog]

So we're back to just the worst map over and over huh? 4 times in a row I get kyoto. Stop forcing me to play that failure of a map. Keep it out of WT/Ranked please.

[high wing]

50m headshots its one of the easiest ones, just takes a little longer, not sure why people complain so much

[blazing haven]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cam-cat-camera-cat-wide-cat-wide-gif-16729570673879006163

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[cursive lotus]

Cos they bad but blaming everything else for it lol

[swift skiff]

Performance is so bad now, before Season 4 I had 50-70 fps on highest settings (drops to 40 mby sometimes), now 30-50 with drops even as low as 15 every game. Even if I set graphics to lowest the drops stay at 20 fps and I get 50 fps on avg. Wtf

[spice dagger]

Buff sniper, nerf GL

[smoky gust]

the few times ive been late joined a power shift match i had 2 seconds to adjust my loadout

not sure if this is intentional or not but it should be longer
maybe allow late joiners to join the game as if coining, instead of set on a timer

[rough hinge]

MAKE APS MORE THAN 3 CHARGES ITS A JOKE

[feral adder]

Typical medium yapp, it’s so unrealistic, they would never add it. How would matchmaking for lights be then, they just wouldn’t find a game anymore where they are not tripple light, so every game would be unwinable and no1 would play light anymore

[torpid sky]

no just nerf cl

[warm vapor]

well then they better start improving on teamplay, 99,9% of lights I get in matchmaking are lone wolfs, not my problem.

PD: Are you saying that because you think that everyone will use it then? then you are poving my point.

[hexed vapor]

Can you stop punishing people's ranks when teammates abandon or grief? It's ridiculous.

[shy zephyr]

I have played from season 2 and i really like the game however i feel like the game has become more heavier please optmise more my rig is i5 10300h and gtx1650ti 8gb ddr4 i get around 40 fps on some maps and 50 on some if its more optimised this season i felt that my fps became worse

[runic forge]

alright first off the 50 headshots at 50 meters or more challenge needs to change, it promotes the worst type of gameplay makes me feel like my team and i are intentionally throwing just to play at 50 meters or more. personally i think it would be fine if it were 30 meters or more but as it is now its pain. secondly the cl40 i dont want to see it be nerfed super hard but i want its self damage to be increased i think its kind of unfair as a heavy to run up on a medium with the cl and there immediate reaction is jump around and shoot there feet and i die in 3 shots while they live my damage plus there own self damage, my logic for this is rpg for example does i think around 170-180 self damage but gets a max of 100 damage out while the cl40 does significantly less self damage but more damage at 117.

[proud steppe]

the cl guys... wtf again?

can the lewis have a sight aswell maybe? every weapon got it

[wintry oyster]

Light needs more attractive team utility.
Getting cash boxes in quickly for money was actually a good start for all the thiefy spider man’s out there.
Still this isn’t enough in my opinion.

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[autumn oyster]

CL40 should just provide more damage to its carrier. There is no punishment to spamming rocketjump and kill all of the Lights

[fluid glacier]

Ospuze frag

[thorn mural]

Can they implement some sort of rank buffer so I dont lose 1k sr cos my teammate left after dying

[uneven dagger]

self damage increase for cl40 is probably how theyll tweak it but It should only really lead to trades rather than consistent self kills

[raw flicker]

We need to buff throwing knifes because with new season TTK(TimeToKill) for M and H is better than L, in fact that Lights have 150 HP, its literally nothing

[tacit whale]

A limited time event where environmental destruction does damage to the player would be pretty interesting

[dense ocean]

day 24 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[rich galleon]

+1 to nerf CL40, it's cancer as it is right now

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[proper crescent]

You can invis your team too

[copper lark]

revert xp nerf

[young turtle]

you're too good bro, you don't need it reverted :Kappa:

[rapid stream]

Revert the mesh shield nerf

[plush sand]

If nothign is announced about balancing this game and the OP weapons in it rn then I am not waiting for season 5 . Just gonna yoink this game into the bin.

[unreal fossil]

If CL40 easily get trades out of suicide bombing enemies point blank, 3M will remain the best comp, due to its ability to easily defib nose dive downed players. And we really need to kill that meta quickly.

@semi.god#0000 nah, TKs are just fine right now. I've spectated team mates who did wonders with them, using left or right click.

[dim root]

because most people prefer not palying the sniper?

[silent fog]

So we enjoyed 1 week without kyoto and now I get it fucking 6 times in a row again. 6 times in a row. Please stop forcing me to play this failure of a map. It sucks.

[feral adder]

It’s your problem, cus they would never matchmaking excluding lights Edit: which medium likes playing with lights, of course everybody will turn it on. PD your suggestion is the most unrealistic thing I’ve ever heard, just get some friends and play with them + skillissue if you always loose first round

[warm vapor]

dude I never said to be excluded, I just an option for those who don't want no L in their matchmaking, ITS AN OPTION, not a full change for everybody.

PD: besides what is your problem? this ain't for you this is for Embark team, this is a totally legit petition since I do not have much time to play and its a disaster experience EVERYTIME I get a L in my matchmaking, its 100% lost in first round.

[night temple]

best game

[brittle obsidian]

give xp its damage back and correspondingly nerf its rate of fire by 10%. this way it'll still no longer hose people from range, but it'll maintain its punchy bullet damage and damage per mag.

[manic pebble]

just revert the cl40 buff, it was strong before, now its just way too oppressive. make the pike more balanced too, idek how but it just cant stay this strong. Every tournament im against a full team of mediums running heal+defib+pike and you just cannot do anything. maybe slower fire rate slightly and also more recoil, like old lh1 visual recoil. not sure really

[uneven dagger]

tweak pike and cl40 without touching damage numbers 😊

[vestal igloo]

Yup,the Game need a Cl 40 and pyker Nerf asap,also needs better stability since it depends on the map it goes very badly (I speak from console).

Add some important changes in mid-season to ensure good retention.

I think the game also needs to do something with the light ones, they are paper thin,and heavys a loot of health,in my opinion, I don't know if it is possible, I would add a negative damage multiplier depending on the class you are, I would make the light ones take a little less damage, and the heavys a little more, so as not to change the weapons so drastically.

[rough herald]

"push a boder up a mouten without touching the boder"

[ebon isle]

Assuming you are playing with exactly with the same rank ppl as you are, how about if you play with someone whos a tier above you? Yes you get points by winning the 1st round but you lose more by losing the same round. Normally you dont need 75%+ winrate to gain elo. Next time think before writing u make urself look stupid

[simple prairie]

is anyone elses stage 2 challenge of 50 headshots from 50 meters glitched?

[icy falcon]

DAY 4. MAKE SPEAR THROWABLE

[drifting storm]

Buff the CL-40 please, its too hard to hit shots

[torn canyon]

So you are saying you can’t beat people in the rank above you, therefore meaning that you belong in the rank you’re in. If you deserve to rank up you’ll have a higher win than loss ratio, and if you don’t then you’ll stay the same. If you can’t win then you aren’t good enough.

Also I most definitely outrank you and play the worst class in game. Do not resort to insults before knowing another’s place.

[warped moat]

YEAH! it needs the old nuke range!!

[rich galleon]

need 1 shot to kill everyone on the powershift plate 🙂

[craggy mason]

Make RPG homing rockets and heavies get a jump pad

[olive vector]

NERF THE CL40!!!! It's making the game HORRIBLE to play!

[vital grove]

Agreed

[fierce valve]

I would love to see a RANDOMIZER LTM.
You don't choose a contestant, you just queue up and you are given a random contestant with a random loadout.
or even after you die, you get a new contestant with a new loadout.

[vague shadow]

Yeah or a gun game kinda thing

[wary solar]

theres also sonar grenades, tracking dart, vanish bomb, and gateway

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[brittle creek]

Also breaching charges to play for drop or open up angles

[young turtle]

Here we go again with the 50meters contract bs. Bro, who asked for this?! Retire this contract man, you're forced to use weapons that aren't fun.

[upper citrus]

Nerf the model and pike

[short lodge]

The cl-40 needs a major nerf, I played a tournament today with 10 grenade launcher users, i was one of the two others and just couldnt do anything. Please please please nerf it

[gilded prism]

when someone kills themselves with an rpg or cl or whatever while you're fighting them you should get the kill, that 500$ can be the difference between a win or a lose sometimes

[lost canyon]

the ability to copy loadouts to empty slots so we don't have to redo all the cosmetics

[fresh citrus]

Not a bad idea. I accidentally do this to myself all the time, and its just something to work around

[quasi fiber]

why doesn't flame thrower contribute to the damage opponents with gas or fire challenge?

[dense parcel]

This ^^^

[vestal igloo]

play a full cl 40 lobby its the most disgusting thing in a Game,i think BEST option rn its stop playing the game until the nerf ngl

[wintry oyster]

Sonar - yes
The tracking dart is not really that good
Vanishing in general is plain bad rn
And the gateway is also was to short in duration to be utilized in a team effectively
In my opinion at least

[nocturne skiff]

cl40 is too strong

[ebon isle]

Typical gold player comment

[night temple]

crazy

[frank dagger]

cl40 is a good pick against any lights In casual game modes, you can still get a very strong avantage in combat against it with an elevated position. Honestly people complain it's too strong but I think it's in a good spot right now

[unreal fossil]

How is vanishing plain bad ? You can pic another spec and still get short invis for when you need to.

And the cooldown is quite short making it spammable.

@frank dagger of course it's a good pick when it can delete Lights in two hits with minimal aim (oh and you don't even need to hit max damage either).

[azure ermine]

clearly someone who abuses the fact its broken atm

[uneven dagger]

cl40 is a good pick against any lights specifically in casual game modes

[rough herald]

cl40 is a good pick against any player in casual game modes

[broken citrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/SwgrlotLhc

[mossy wharf]

If anyone sees this team, report them. Wall hacking and aim bot. They legit never missed a shot on the whole lobby.

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[versed hazel]

buff the cl-40 by increasing damage, giving it a 40 round tube (as the name implies it should have anyway) and increase the fire rate so it shoots as fast as the m11

[frail maple]

guys what is that new voice cover for new female head?
could you add new customization and give us an option to customize voice?

[hazy skiff]

Make it full auto too

[signal tide]

Nerf Pike and CL-40 please and change Mesh to 1k health, with a 150 damage reduction upon each drop of the mesh shield.

[safe tangle]

W

[dapper kite]

I had several times today that the opponents got a headshot (from more than 70 meters), but the system didn't allow it.

[delicate marlin]

remove the defib and add the ability for medium to give birth to revive teammates 🙏🙏🙏 the finals first game to reach 7 billion players 2025

[wispy sage]

The CL-40 is genuinely the worst balance I have seen in all 4 seasons. This is unacceptable

[stuck fox]

i think one of the big issues/frustrations going up against the CL-40 right now is that you can barely tell at a glance what weapon your opponent is using against you by the time you take one/two hits from it to the chest.

imo this is exacerbated when there's enviromental damage happening OR being caused by the weapon simultaneously and it's just plain difficult to acertain wtf is happening in the moment.

perhaps the weapon's damage doesn't need a HUGE nerf, but maybe some more visual vfx to give players a heads up like the sniper/pike glints.

[rose basin]

nerf CL-40. it is horrendous

[molten path]

is the 50m headshot contract broken? i've been hitting some headshots from across the map and nothing

[carmine cosmos]

Which contract

[west zealot]

Coin spawns are spawning me soooo far, sometimes I even got spawned 100m away from my own cashout.
Also new map's start of game spawn are so unfair for one of the team

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[low epoch]

Medium class has no flexability like the other classes, please give some more flex

[shell raven]

give the sights an xp progression (like all the guns/gadgets/specializations have) and give them skins. i want a matching reflex sight for my cardinal cloak revolver. bright colored iron sights for my fcar. give us the sight skins PLEASE

[thorny parcel]

This headshot at 50m challenge is trash. You have to be so far away you can't help your team on Powershift.
Why can't the devs make fun challenges like do x amount of damage with a weapon or something.

Not this super far range stuff

[sleek fossil]

Nerf CL-40.

[versed hazel]

Buff CL-40

[drifting storm]

All the No Skill players are spamming CL-40, what a time to be alive

[copper harness]

get rid of the sniper change or make the range longer and then add the orignal change to the pike please

[night temple]

NIe

[magic stratus]

It kind of already does this if 2 teams get wiped at the same time

[little fiber]

gud

[crystal umbra]

The are so many things that can be added to this game bro. So many cool ideas.

I really like the setting of the game.

The Finals will take over Esports

[sudden pawn]

public chat pls

[green light]

Nerf CL40

[deep sierra]

Buff fcar!!

[magic wren]

YESSS!

[hybrid moss]

all chat where

[fleet shuttle]

I think that Fortune Stadium feels like a map made of cardboard. The walls could take a bit more before they break. Right now you only have to side-eye a wall to make it pop

[uneven dagger]

Buff cl40, it stinks right now

[glacial marten]

pls undo whatever you did. im now part of performance-issue gang

[pallid night]

Hello! I came on here to talk about the CL40 and I see other people agreeing with the fact that it needs a nerf, I run into them almost every game. It makes playing as a light simply not fun. I don't think that's the case but, CL40 has got to be the reason for poor performances with all the explosions and whatnot (Or maybe I really hate this weapon)

[storm quarry]

Man i hate this new ranking system with elo, it's just like, get good team, win. Then get 2 mute noobs and lose. It goes on infinitely.

[molten trail]

Then try to add the people u played with lol

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[hexed grove]

It’s really not that difficult.

[mild gazelle]

It makes powershift a pain though because everyone is playing long range weapons

[tawdry vortex]

Yeah so pike makes vegas sandstorm unwinnable basically if you arent also running pike. Can it get nerfed already. LH1 reigned for 1 week and everyone hated it and now this thing is here for 2 weeks and no one likes it

[slow crescent]

How about event in capture the flag game mode in fortune in 3v3v3. Who gets flag, until they have it - they farming money

[rancid bluff]

If no one has come up with the idea yet, I'll give it a go. Please add a function to exchange weekly tasks. I currently have one that I'm having a lot of trouble with.

[tranquil storm]

Change the Low Gravity event so that it only affects structures and projectiles, and then remove the way it effects the player. It would make the game more interesting while making the experience less frustrating since it doesn't tamper with the movement.

[finite wagon]

99% of balance problems are rooted in the loadout system being really restrictive and not allowing people to properly counter direct playstyles other teams are doing

locking people into only 8 items, 4 in competitive, for entire matches does not give enough leeway for proper responses to multiple team builds that exist in the game

if you're going to keep the loadout slots limitation, provide more per contestant and allow cash out to be able to swap in between team wipes

and i'll even go as far to say as allow people to swap contestants in all game modes

[pliant glade]

I genuinely think the dev behind the buff of the cl40 is mentally unwell. if this shit isn't changed by next update i'm actually dropping this game till next season. holy fuck literal triple stacks of cl40 in EVERY FUCKING MODE.

[tiny sphinx]

cl40 needs a nerf because its simultaneously easy to use and VERY rewarding (also removes possibilities of any light players using melee)

[autumn warren]

Embark really needs to have a test server active! So they can see how the new changes play in reality and so they can make according changes before the full rollout. That way everything that touches the main game will be totally balanced. I do understand though that this game may not have the playerbase to support that. Maybe have an in game thing you can get for time spent testing/ reports filed about the state of potential changes

[fading sinew]

Embark,

I have made a comment about token respawning. Teammates tokens sometimes respawn 100-150 meters away and I have only been noticing it in Fortune Stadium. PLEASE FIX.

Also, don't nerf the cl40. From my experience, it works great against sword lights. And nothing is more satisfying than 2 shotting one of those players.

And to add, I think those who want the nerf are the same people who walk directly in front of my noobtube. They don't flank me or team shot me. So what am I supposed to do? Give them an EZ pass? No! I'm going to sound off saying, "Say hello to my boomstick". (Yes, it was a shotgun originally in the movie, not a gl.)

[gleaming tide]

Make aps absorb bullets.

[upbeat urchin]

Such as 50 headshots from 50 m away ? That challenge is ridiculous 🤣

[hidden torrent]

All I gotta say is give me riot gear

[honest verge]

Playing against a lobby full of mediums is dull. The class doesn't even have many destructions tools, the best part of the game imo

[exotic basalt]

PLEASE BRING m&k support to console asap, we are desperate

[rapid sequoia]

meanwhile I can't play a single match because of the TFGE0003 error :/

[stark rain]

SHOW WINS+LOSSES INSTEAD OF JUST WINS
that way we can see who kill farms and throws games from their card

[vestal igloo]

Nerf CL 40+ Pyke ty

[stoic robin]

me and my friend were on a losing streak in ranked, decided to give in and also switch to cl-40s.. and immediately won 4 games in a row.

do you guys actually playtest anything before fully releasing? or if you dont wanna test stuff, why not just let the community do it in world tour (the "testing ground") first?

[tall kernel]

M26 matter is a a mouse and keyboard gun

[rancid bluff]

Exactly, I mostly only play heavy and flamethrower and melee weapons. The task is really hell for me at the moment. xD

[thorny parcel]

It isn't about the difficulty. It is the fact that it makes everyone play this playstyle and ruin it for everyone else. If they want people to try out weapons, then just do damage with x weapon.

[modest root]

Rework XP-54

[signal glacier]

Menu could be optimised a bit. No need for quick cash to both be on the very left of the screen as a big option and also in the quickplay tab at the same time I think, maybe just have quickplay back as a bigger option on the screen?

[rapid pike]

Isnt the quickplay menu powershift, TA and Bank it?

[crystal umbra]

Maybe they should have an option where you can select the Diamond, Emerald, or Ruby weapon you want to unlock.

For example, in overwatch you can select your gold gun by accumulating points and spending them on the gold weapon of your choice.

In The Finals, an equivalent of that could be where at the end of a season you can earn an "ENDORSEMENT" where you can use it on selecting a Diamond, Emerald, or Ruby weapon.

Also, if they make player profiles a thing, there could be a "display hall" where you can see all of the achievable weapon skins. From platinum up to the top ranks.

I'm imagining a fancy display room of some kind.

[plush grotto]

nerf pike pls

[hearty wadi]

I know y’all want new player and for them to have fun and feel like they’re good so they don’t leave immediately and never play again… but that shouldn’t come at the expense of your long term player base. Way too many weapons that cater to the unskilled player. Over tuning free kill weapons and over nerfing their counter gadgets is just a bad a time. I mean really who asked for the riot shield to get even more damage?? They’re already invulnerable to gunfire on 90% of their body. Sure, they’re easy enough to deal with one on one but that’s rarely the case. There’s a whole other team to deal with too. Of course as everyone else is saying, the GL spam is abhorrent to play against and rewards the most brainless players I’ve ever come across. The APS USED to be our be our only hope against this spam so what do you do? You make it only able to eat a few shots? Once again, sure this is enough when it’s just you against the one GL but a whole team of GL users spamming you at the same time basically INSTANTLY takes out your APS and you’re left with NO COUNTER. This game was supposed to be about creativity and strategy. So many things in this game point towards the general idea of outsmarting your opponents. Not just brute forcing a win by abusing overpowered stuff.

THEN everyone complained about the LH1 being over tuned so you give the medium essentially the same thing with higher damage and lower fire rate. Hell, even the sniper was annoying for a while so the solution was yet another pseudo-sniper type weapon?

[fair parrot]

I think if your team only consisst of 2 or less players you shuld lose less points.
I just lost 1000 points because i wasnt able to do anything with one team mate

[vernal swallow]

oh my god what is this lag bruh what happened last update my shit freezes every time someone shoots at me

[tired oasis]

Joke ? Medium is the most versatile

[rough herald]

put half of cl40 damage into damage bonus on direct

[modern sparrow]

Season 4 is really boring compared to the others not gonna lie... I like the new map but it barely gets played on the rotation, if anything i'm seeing the casino map pop up more all of a sudden, it's rare getting the new map. Maybe add in a map vote system like how cod has or halo? idk just a thought.

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[slate trellis]

the finals why the season 3 ranking awards were not given

[coral forum]

Comparing the Dev Notes for RPG and CL-40

RPG-7
Decreased damage from 140 to 100

Dev Note:** We never really intended the RPG to be an ‘opener’ in combat,** even if it is an item that is more accessible to new players, the intent was always that this was for destruction first and foremost. We believe this change makes it still usable as an opener, but a much less valuable one, shifting its focus back to destruction and breaching.

CL-40
Increased max damage from 93 to 117
Increased the max damage radius from 9cm to 30cm

Dev Note: "This change sounds significant, but keeps the weapon in a place where it still takes two shots to kill a Light and three shots to kill a Medium. The change is mostly aimed at making a Heavy three shots to kill instead of four, as we felt it was unfair to the CL-40 to have to land all four of its available four shots (i.e. 100% accuracy) to kill a Heavy without reloading

So you think the CL-40 shouldn't have to land 100% of the shots to kill a heavy? Compare that to the double barrel where you most definitely have to land both shots to kill a heavy or med, and that's at point blank range.

If your intent was to prevent a large damage opener for the heavy that's okay, but why give it to the med? I think a good compromise would be to make the CL do the same amount of damage as the RPG.. Theoretically the weapons are both launching a grenade...

The bottom line is the CL-40 is doing a lot of damage with a single shot (more than the RPG). It creates a real problem for light players specifically.

[gritty owl]

i think instead of giving cl40 a damage buff, they should've increased its mag size by one. the rpg should have 2 charges, do even less damage to players, not do extra damage to yourself and have massively increased structural damage. currently, for being an rpg, it doesnt exactly do a lot of damage to buildings imo.

[burnt cosmos]

Player count will tank soon without balance patch. Every season is way to slow with balance changes.

[digital thorn]

BRING BACK OLD DAGGER I FUCKING HATE THIS HOLD

[barren cedar]

please NEVER do a contract like this again this is actually just an awful experience

(nvm this contract is literally just bugged so ive been malding over nothing please fix this)

[hazy shore]

fix the games preformance. every other game its dropping frames constantly

[uneven dagger]

(INSERT CAPS LOCK TANTRUM HERE)

[real scroll]

this game is still just heal and defib each other to win

[long burrow]

doable med gun on one contestant should not be possible

[peak dust]

i support role queue

[brittle obsidian]

this would kill the game instantly

[quick coyote]

This is INEXCUSABLE and not present in season 3. This is a MAIN PRIORITY fix.

[tribal hinge]

These new challenges for the circuits suck to do

[dim root]

For me the best experience was AKM before the nerf

[thorny parcel]

100%. The challenges should be fun. I don't know why the devs are dead set on making a ton of 50m+ challenges all the time. It often does not work with the game.

Especially when it says to do it 50 times 😭
Everyone just standing across map plinking each other

[spice flax]

why can my xbox friend never hear me in gamer chat or anyone else?

[keen lily]

devs don't play the game, and balancing proves this, it's always off point unless everyone cries about something on discord

[vestal igloo]

have the same issue

[quick coyote]

if 95% of guns have either damage falloff or has something effecting them (sr bullet drop). embark should not make "50 HEADSHOTS from 50 meters or MORE

[craggy mason]

Lights with defib make it happen 🔥💪

[tidal wraith]

bring TA back for ranked so we have a fair gamemode pls

[sleek blade]

add bungholes

[robust fox]

cl-40 is OP
the game balance is getting worse with every season xD

[barren cedar]

yea and then epsically since they made the flamethrower not count for fire damage anymore

[solemn pivot]

wait so if my teammate leaves at the start of the match i still get my rs taken if we lose the round?

[silk shadow]

you know what, yeah add bungholes

[swift skiff]

performance got so much worse

[hoary path]

Ability to mute pings would be sick

Sometimes ya run into some people who decide to just wanna be annoying and throw the match for the team, and ping the entire game (i mean literally though, like non-stop)

It doesn't happen frequently, but when it does, its really annoying

(Should have posted this months ago but here we are :P)

[formal sphinx]

What? Lol

[craggy basin]

HUH

[quick dew]

Sounds like you guys should start maining CL-40 then :P

[eager cipher]

Everyone seems to forget they have the entire season to complete these challenges, you’ll get most of them by just playing the game lol

[halcyon depot]

I've said this many times before, but why did the developers make it so that we can only have one explosive mine?

We can have another explosive mine after the cooldown, so we can have up to two in total, but "this makes it hard to see the point of allocating a gadget slot for an explosive mine."

If the problem is that players can die from the damage of two explosive mines, they should have just "compensated, or limited, the damage that players take when exposed to multiple explosive blasts."

And they said "this doesn't apply to buildings, etc."

Since we players can destroy buildings in this game, why don't they let us destroy buildings in one hit with medium gadgets?

Just limiting players to multiple blasts would solve the problem of easy kills with other explosives.

[upper citrus]

Current ranked mode is fair wdym

[thorny parcel]

Yes I want TA ranked back. If we have enough players, both Cashout and TA ranked can coexist

[torpid sky]

me if i was bad at the game

[pseudo breach]

EU servers fucked up again? Whole server just disconnected on Power Shift, Kyoto

[versed cipher]

Average Kyoto experience 😭

[leaden vine]

everyone playing with cl40 - is way to op

[azure ermine]

have they changed destruction everythign feels like paper?

[vestal igloo]

Yup,the Game need a Cl 40 and pyker Nerf asap,also needs better stability since it depends on the map it goes very badly (I speak from console).

Add some important changes in mid-season to ensure good retention.

I think the game also needs to do something with the light ones, they are paper thin,and heavys a loot of health,in my opinion, I don't know if it is possible, I would add a negative damage multiplier depending on the class you are, I would make the light ones take a little less damage, and the heavys a little more, so as not to change the weapons so drastically.

[keen lily]

this game is nothing but rage inducing since the start of this season, shit meta, shit balancing, shit matchmaking, shit ranked system, shit challenges, cheaters, I don't understand why are you killing the game, fuck this I'm uninstalling

[signal tide]

I have to say, 3rd parties are worse NOW than they have ever been before…

[brisk garden]

petition to delete kyoto

[jagged cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-guardians-of-the-galaxy2-peter-quill-star-lord-star-lord-what-gif-24549462

[tidal wraith]

it really aint, with 3rd partying and griefing it's a mess

@torpid sky i ended at like rank 636 or something last season so

[brittle obsidian]

barely 636 people played that mode

[coral forum]

Comparing the Dev Notes for RPG and CL-40

RPG-7
Decreased damage from 140 to 100

Dev Note:** We never really intended the RPG to be an ‘opener’ in combat,** even if it is an item that is more accessible to new players, the intent was always that this was for destruction first and foremost. We believe this change makes it still usable as an opener, but a much less valuable one, shifting its focus back to destruction and breaching.

CL-40
Increased max damage from 93 to 117
Increased the max damage radius from 9cm to 30cm

Dev Note: "This change sounds significant, but keeps the weapon in a place where it still takes two shots to kill a Light and three shots to kill a Medium. The change is mostly aimed at making a Heavy three shots to kill instead of four, as we felt it was unfair to the CL-40 to have to land all four of its available four shots (i.e. 100% accuracy) to kill a Heavy without reloading

So you think the CL-40 shouldn't have to land 100% of the shots to kill a heavy? Compare that to the double barrel where you most definitely have to land both shots to kill a heavy or med, and that's at point blank range.

If your intent was to prevent a large damage opener for the heavy that's okay, but why give it to the med? I think a good compromise would be to make the CL do the same amount of damage as the RPG.. Theoretically the weapons are both launching a grenade...

The bottom line is the CL-40 is doing a lot of damage with a single shot (more than the RPG). It creates a real problem for light players specifically.

@gritty owl : "i think instead of giving cl40 a damage buff, they should've increased its mag size by one." - Not a bad idea

[pulsar bay]

BRING BACK THE OLD SNIPER. WHY IS THERE SO MUCH DROP AND TRAVEL TIME FROM A 100FT. ITS NOT EVEN REALISTIC

[delicate dirge]

Capture the flag 5v5v5 (Holtow vs Iseult vs Engimo) would go hard on fortune stadium. MAKE IT HAPPEN EMBARK
We all LOVE 5v5 modes look how popular powershift is!!!!!!!!!!!

[sterile tusk]

Game is literally unenjoyable with the CL40 kangaroos

[hazy shore]

if we are gonna buff medium, why not buff dash again?

[glad yarrow]

Fucking CL-40. If i see no nerf in next patch ill give up

[undone dagger]

please delete cl40

[keen cloak]

Somehow ranked feels really bad.

[frank gull]

Console war... The beef goes way back.
This balance is new.
P.C. players will brag about how good of a device they have, & all the Edges it brings them, but will lose there mind when normies (Aim Assist) beat them in a video game despite no money being on the line.
I feel like the same can be said with recon sense. All you're expected to do from beginning to end is keep track of 3 teams, & 3 targets, down 3 basic lanes, so 1 person having walls isn't as broken as most say & could be dealt with.I.M.O
It just leveled the field against actual hackers, so due to entitlement I'm sure both were probably the biggest complained about & fastest delt with, however neither punish hackers Just the masses.
Just like 30% S.W. penalties they only help "high elo", Hackers, or reckless players.
Having a high penalty for players mispositioned, or overcommit only leveled the field for the average joe. I.M.O
icarus flew too close to the Sun, & the tortoise beat the hare.
Playing the Obj. Wrong, or making a wrong turn can cost you the game. The Finals use to be very unforgiving for sloppy teamwork, or new players. Still is, but more so for new, or bad players.
There's always reckless, or low Elo but I doubt the developers are listening to them.

It seems they're just trying out a new Meta.
Cl- 40, & Pike might be here to stay for a while.
I'm sure the pike will receive a nerf before the CL though. Doesn't make sense to nerf FCAR then give people the PIKE, was probably balanced around S1 utility
Unfortunately it must be quite difficult to make a meta with so many mix results. It can be hard to tell what's best for the Game.
A wise man once said.
"It's what they do to the greats, Pick apart a Picasso and make excuses to hate"
I hope Embark realizes how much of there game they're throwing away just to fit in a frame of other peoples opinion.

[frigid cradle]

no

[broken herald]

nerf model1887, cl and pike

[tropic torrent]

Can we get a gun master mode I beg 😳

[pliant glade]

This man gets it. Model should still do 128 just on headshot multiplieri think, switch damage to 85 on body so still 2 for light if u hit your shots up close on body 3 for medium. The medium with pike model and cl is insane right now too

[opaque fog]

Bruh ain’t no way you tryna buff lights

[halcyon depot]

Even with the CL-40 it's too much work to shoot through concrete, so should they just remove it?
Please, I can only carry one explosive mine now, so it's not fun at all, as it's already difficult to destroy buildings and other things without making them invisible with my special.
How frustrating it is for me to play a game like APEX where I can't even break a single pane of glass.

[young hamlet]

Mediums aren't based around map destruction. Grab a barrel, get a teammates help or walk around the building

[rocky verge]

I’m having fun playing this game, thank you devs and other embark employees, you all rock

[cold olive]

I swear this it the best idea of the year

[torpid sky]

erm what is that

[desert atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/test-spray-testing-gif-12514630 50.akimbo skin idea? duel spray bottle also a toilet paper skin for goo grenade or somn

[upper citrus]

if 3rd parties are preventing you from placing 1st or 2nd then its a macro issue. also, griefing is fine for the most part because its risky unless you've been playing well all round and have a ton of money. The only issue i have with it is when a team targets another from the start because they know them or see high ranks. I wouldn't mind if streamer mode was added and ranks / seeded placements weren't revealed until the match ended

[sleek meadow]

Good evening team,

I’m not sure if this has already been discussed but I was having an issue with my The Finals freezing after every game and when I got to the lobby and didn’t know what caused it. I believe the reason for this issue was due to me having over 200 friends in my social section of The Finals. I’m assuming it was too much for the server to maintain with people getting on and offline at that multitude. So if users just maintain a friend list of about 150 which is what I have now but before I had 282. Now I have no freezes or glitches while in lobby or after a match. Just wanted to share this with the team!

[storm siren]

Let us save outfits!

[vestal igloo]

Yup,the Game need a Cl 40 and pyke Nerf asap,also needs better stability since it depends on the map it goes very badly (I speak from console).

Add some important changes in mid-season to ensure good retention.

I think the game also needs to do something with the light ones, they are paper thin,and heavys a loot of health,in my opinion, I don't know if it is possible, I would add a negative damage multiplier depending on the class you are, I would make the light ones take a little less damage, and the heavys a little more, so as not to change the weapons so drastically.

[woven flame]

doesn't make a huge amount of sense imo
lights are weak and fast
heavies are strong and slow

[versed latch]

Flaming bag of poop skin for fire bomb. Even if you can't see the poop it's knowing that you're throwing it at people

[fringe otter]

Whoever reads this, I have 100 hours in the game and Im being matches with constant 1000 wins lobbies on tournament, also everyone on my team always leaves life if theres no downsides, do something about this unfun experience

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[fallow idol]

Please add a TDM mode

[tropic torrent]

like in bf3 a free for all where every 2 kills u get access to a different gun and u have to progress until the last weapon in classic mode it was a knife. The first to kill with the last gun wins. With what we have in the finals it can be a very funny mode imo.

[ruby fern]

PLEASE PUT DAGGER BACK HOW IT WAS IT SUCK NOW

[molten remnant]

Doing the contracts and 50Headshots over 50m is insane. So i need to camp with sniper and do nothing for the team so complete this. And for 50m in the finals is shooting across the map. Absolutely no fun doing it.

[halcyon depot]

Even in Medium, we could destroy concrete instantly by quickly placing two explosive mines on the floor or wall and firing them.
Destroying ceilings takes a bit of skill with explosive mines, but it was still possible in some places.
But when it's designed so that even using explosive mines makes it difficult to destroy, our previous tactics can't be used anymore. Because it's too late.
That was my basic tactic.
Medium has a dematerialization device, but even if we use it, it just reverts to normal over time.
It's not that there are no uses for it, but I don't need that kind of thing. What I need is destruction.

[shadow glacier]

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[quick coyote]

nah man

[broken herald]

nerf model1887, cl and pike0

add more sights

[broken citrus]

Model needs a slight nerf “range”, CL40 if you’re playing medium just equip the APS.. about pike yes it needs a nerf for sure

[frigid cradle]

we need a heavy goo/melee counter

[fading plank]

Feedback on THE FINALS Season 4

After roughly 1400 hours spent across the game, I feel compelled to share my thoughts on the latest season.
Positives
Season 4 has brought many improvements, making the game feel more polished overall. The introduction of contracts and sponsorship's are welcome additions.
However, these positives are being overshadowed by a lack of class diversity in the latest patch.

Medium Class Dominance

The Medium class now has a ranged weapon: the Pike. It's fun to play and not game-breaking, adding a relevant damage-dealing gun to the game. Whilst it's damage possibly feels a bit overtuned, perhaps the rate of fire and/or damage per bullet could be adjusted to match the rest of the arena.
Medium class now possesses one of the strongest ranged weapons AND the strongest medium/close-range weapons (Model 1887, CL40, FAMAS).
Combined with utility (defibrillator, heal beam, team mobility), the Medium class has become overwhelmingly versatile.

Light Class Struggles

As a player who prefers high-risk, high-reward "glass cannon" builds, I find my role as Light has been effectively dissolved.
There's little reason to choose Light over Medium now.
The slight nerf to the SR84 at the season's start feels out of touch with the current meta.
I must exert twice the effort to provide the same value as an average-performing Medium player.

Weapon Balance

The SR-84 sniper rifle needs reconsideration.
The 40-meter bullet drop-off is too short for maps like Skyway Stadium, where that distance is barely across the street. Paradoxically, SMGs like the M11 and XP-54 can hit targets across the map almost more effectively than the sniper rifle. The lack of in-game range perception makes it difficult to guide shots accurately. Even when I manage to dial in the correct range, the long bullet travel time means I essentially have to predict an enemy's movement 2 seconds ahead of when I initially fire. This makes the sniper rifle frustratingly ineffective compared to other weapons, especially given its intended role as a long-range option.

New Map: Fortune Stadium

A welcome addition with fitting aesthetics.
Color palettes and prominent sponsorships add value to the brands.
Currently overrepresented in World Tour mode.
Concrete walls seem as fragile as Kyoto's paper walls, further disadvantaging the Light class.
Navigating through rubble while avoiding stationary hazards (grenades, turrets, mines) during cashouts is challenging.

Personal Experience and Concerns

I've invested a significant amount of time in this game, racking up around 1400 hours across three different accounts. Last season, I even managed to achieve the highest rank in a game mode I initially despised but grew to appreciate. However, this is the first time I'm seriously considering putting the game on the shelf. The current lack of variety and the frustrating gameplay experience have left me feeling disheartened. While I acknowledge that many of these issues could potentially be addressed with a few well-thought-out balance patches, I can't help but feel disappointed. I had high hopes that the Cashout mode would introduce more variety to the game, but unfortunately, it hasn't lived up to my expectations. Despite my frustrations, I still hold out hope that I'll be able to pick up the Light class again sometime in the future and compete at the higher ranks.

All in all I think the heart is in the right place, And I'm hoping to see more diversity pushed throughout the season as this has just been the first 2 weeks.

[desert atlas]

idea for heavy - can we get an impulse grenade or other so heavy has some manouverability because there are times when i find myself running up stairs whilst team is fighting?

[wind zodiac]

Nerf CL40 and Revert Mesh Shield.

[valid cradle]

REVERT MESH SHIELD CHANGES HEAVY IS UN-PLAYABLE NOW UNLESS YOU USE CRUTCH AND SLAM

[pliant lion]

Please for the love of god nerf the CL40 into the ground

[thorn kelp]

Bro is not a master goo-er 💦⚪️😫

[thorny parcel]

A lot of people played ranked. Maybe not as much as cashout.
I was in the 10,000 area and I was gold 4 at the end.

[young hamlet]

Fun fact:
Heavy is meant to be the slow class

[uneven dagger]

ok but what if we made it so charge can be alternatively used as a longer lasting sprint and long jump that doesnt do any damage

[upper citrus]

revert mesh shield. the spec was completely fine

[tribal barn]

Why make melee even worse

[frank gull]

Again I agree with you...
If Ranked C.O. is point A. & T.A. Point B.
I hope Embark doesn't go anywhere near point B.
If you can take anything away from point B. It is the combo potential *L has with/through coordinated chip damage.
The only self-sufficiency the class had was its quick regeneration. Gadgets were limited.

Mesh & Heal B. Will probably be running a lot tighter if at all due to difficulty to pull off effectively. Breaking that defense will be harder than ever for *L.
I was being vague when referring to a HML resetting Meta sorry.
Since the window to heal is so small and unforgiving relying on a *L to actually utilize a medium specialization can be very inconsistent and pointless.

Honestly with *L mobility alone the class already has great potential to medic. It's the easiest to just pick up & go doesn't even need Defib. to be a combat medic it already has everything it needs I.M.O

XP didn't need a nerf
*L specialization needed a buff.

[vestal igloo]

3 only shots and ur aps is down👏

[zinc siren]

Anyone having major lag where the game is unplayable? On Vegas and Kyoto in particular.

Playing on Xbox series S, gets to the point where if either of those maps load, it’s basically game over for me

[reef perch]

Yep same issue here

[night vortex]

This fella I know suggested taking defib and making it a medium passive in which they revive a little faster and the person comes out with a portion of their armor returned.

[wide mist]

this is more of a suggestion but
native vulkan support?
vulkan is more compatible on platforms than DirectX
and sometimes run better
i started getting really bad frametimes after season 4 in linux with dx12

[tranquil bolt]

cl40 buff has got to be one of the greatest missteps u guys have ever made, the game is genuinely unbearable to play now and it needs to be revamped ASAP, your hearts are in the right place but a weapon needs to reward aim and skill, which the cl40 does not. someone dropped the ball so hard i feel like we are all being pranked, like it's unfathomable how big of a mistake this is. pls embark i can't defend u against this one, i'm losing my credibility out here

[slow adder]

change sniper meta its lame and boring @pliant glade sniper meta meaning longrange meta

[torpid sky]

yeah no one likes long range fights
nerf pike and model

@surreal meadow they mean the pike i believe

[surreal meadow]

it got nerfed to be a projectile

[pliant glade]

sniper isn't meta, pike is. if anything there isn't much reason to use sniper in it's current state. i'd say just a slight buff to be able to 1 shot mediums

[nocturne yew]

there's still fps issues with Las Vegas map on Series S, Kyoto is fine now

[broken citrus]

Well 3 shots from the total 4 is really good i think 😅 but the problem when you face more than 1 CL40

[upbeat tree]

Agree with most of what you said, but honestly I feel like sys horizon is way to prevalent in ranked. I WANT the new map, or Kyoto or Seoul, and all I get is Horizon and Vegas

[coral forum]

Great take, i can agree with most of this

[violet matrix]

Delete cl-40 is so pathetic gun

[terse lark]

please nerf cl40. it should not be doing more damage than an rpg.
(to all the players that just say "run aps" what are you supposed to do when youre playing agianst 3 mediums with cl40s, you just cant do anything but roll over and die.)
this is a sandbox fps and we love that, you shouldnt be forced to run a certain gadget just to counter a weapon that EVERYONE is running

[woeful arch]

On the new Fortune map, was stuck under a wall debris, a player crouched towards me, the pinging failed and pinged "going over there" so couldn't see if it pinged an enemy or a teammate. That was an enemy and I died in seconds. Really not happy with how unclear it is who is in front of us in this game.

[quartz cedar]

Balance CL-40, most braindead gameplay i have ever seen in a shooter game

[honest verge]

New map is great. I like the layout and theme. I much prefer it to Kyoto or Las Vegas

[lament ibex]

Add a skin shuffle feature

[errant sigil]

Should add more sword skins and a best play of the game feature?

[tropic swift]

This feels too biased for light class imo while I still agree to this.

I think light class would be in a great spot if many additions made to replace it is changed. Season 3 was dominated by lights and it was frustrating to everyone so light should not be in the place it was in season 3 ever. I think the issue is how the class is designed from the ground up. A balancing failure is inevitable for a class that is made for high kill speed and less survivability

Edit: Pike is beyond op and it's overused in ranked. MMM meta with CL and PIKE is busted

[vague shadow]

I personally like it better now so I hope embark gives us the option to choose between the two so we can both be happy

[coral forum]

Comparing the Dev Notes for RPG and CL-40

RPG-7
Decreased damage from 140 to 100
Dev Note: We never really intended the RPG to be an ‘opener’

CL-40
Increased max damage from 93 to 117
Increased the max damage radius from 9cm to 30cm
Dev Note: The change is mostly aimed at making a Heavy three shots to kill

@Nautilus : "i think instead of giving cl40 a damage buff, they should've increased its mag size by one." - Not a bad idea

[vestal igloo]

thats the problem,people run 3 cl 40 in a team every match

[gilded hull]

genuinely why are the three most broken weapons in the game right now all from medium man

[night epoch]

what were yall thinking with this pike

[uneven dagger]

Because they don’t have cheese gadgets like heavy and lights do for engagements

Cl40 is so not pathetic gun

[violet matrix]

Cl-40 is so pathetic gun

[azure ermine]

anyone encountered thsi glitch ?

[pliant glade]

can we just hurry up and nmerf the fucking mediums unholy amount of busted weapons. model pike and cl are in a class of their own

[stark pilot]

The noob in this channel is fking pathetic, don't trust them.
They just complain everything unique in this game, make this game be a boring FPS game.
They think something can't be live in FPS game like sword, flamethrower, or grenade launcher, them don't want those featured weapon be balance, them just hope those weapon be remove, even those weapon is weak.
Watchout embark, they will ruin this game, and make the whole game boring.

[thorny parcel]

This channel has a lot of negativity. I still really enjoy the game and think the balancing is better than it was in Season 1.

The battle pass is fire. I look forward to October's skins.

[torn canyon]

Did bro say this while looking at defib, jump and zip?

[tidal night]

Create a LTM that only uses Medium/Heavy and see how much better the game will become

[broken citrus]

Damn.. really don’t know what’s the best solution

[slate star]

honestly some op weapons better be left alone since time to kill is 2 years already

[woeful lagoon]

m11 animation pack when

[mental hamlet]

server crash in oceania fucking umbrassing fuck embark

[quick coyote]

[coral forum]

just revert change and add one round to the mag. (CL-40 gets 5/4)

Comparing the Dev Notes for RPG and CL-40

RPG-7
Decreased damage from 140 to 100
Dev Note: We never really intended the RPG to be an ‘opener’

CL-40
Increased max damage from 93 to 117
Increased the max damage radius from 9cm to 30cm
Dev Note: The change is mostly aimed at making a Heavy three shots to kill

@Nautilus : "i think instead of giving cl40 a damage buff, they should've increased its mag size by one." - Not a bad idea

[midnight quartz]

If you’re not gonna nerf the pike PLEASE START BUFFING OTHER GUNS

[terse lark]

please for the love of god change back the cl40. it should never be a meta weapon. rn if a team is playing 2-3 cl40s and your team doesnt have cl40s on it you just lose

[thorny parcel]

Make Winch claw not stun you. Both users should be able to fully act throughout the duration of winch claw. Hate fighting a Winch Claw Sledge as Goo Gun Sledge since the winch just cancels any action I am doing by winch clawing me.

Oh and can Glitch Traps effects immediately wear off when leaving their radius?

[worn horizon]

yeah its weird lewis and 93r dont have sights

[steel pasture]

Over half my games tonight had hackers, and a few of them I kept getting repeatedly paired with. I even recognized a couple hackers that I saw and reported the other day. This game is dead I guess. I am uninstalling. Bad weapon balance with unlimited hackers. Goodbye

[honest verge]

I just played a round with 10 Medium and 2 Heavy. That is all.

[meager wagon]

2 WEEKS IN AND STILL DIDNT FIX CL.... devs you on vacation???? you need us to go into the files ourselves and change a 200 into a 100 or something

[violet matrix]

DELETE CL-40 IS SO PATHETIC GUN

They create an event to revive "digital money" and create new game modes, the game has become very repetitive and boring, it had become my favorite shooter, it's a shame they have abandoned it

[tame crag]

Embark yall have made basically an impossible, or very nearly and extremely frustrating challenge with getting 50 headshots from 50m away

[upper citrus]

Abandoned??? Dude there is an update scheduled every Wednesday. The new season JUST came out and they had a developer QnA like 2 days ago. wtf are you talking about.

[tired ibex]

I liked the dagger before the change. Can we make the right click the same as the mechanics of the new throwing knives. As in if you click right click it’s the same as before, where it will charge and stab at the end of the animation but if you hold you can release whenever, it has just messed up my timing a bit

[uneven dagger]

you clearly dont know what its like to have your favorite game get abandoned lol

[frank gull]

#👂┇game-feedback message - Oh look triple *L being viable after the most generalist weapon was nerfed.
I wonder what changed, or maybe it's been viable since S3 probably S2.
&
MMH got knocked out 🤯
(The only team not running a Light)

Almost half the lobby is *L.
Once "High Elo" is done grinding they'll probably start playing *L more often.

[broken citrus]

Sad to hear 🤦🏻‍♂️💔

[jagged cedar]

dude this is a world tour lobby. Come to me again when this is a thing in actual lobbies with people who arent playing with their feet

[burnt notch]

Bruh you got banned 💀💀 white role 💀💀💀

[civic thistle]

just saying these sword mains are annoying asf

[warped stag]

There is literally like 5 high rank light players currently even heavy one tricks are playing medium

[quick coyote]

.eth is probably etherium which is a crypto currency
yeah it links to a blockchain wallet I think

I’d like to see fans wearing your drip as your character gets more famous, and chanting your sponsor or your name.

[obsidian grail]

This game is so not enjoyable anymore

[molten trail]

😂😂😂

[inner coral]

#👂┇game-feedback
I theorize that the damage model on some maps may have been affected or need another pass after this Season launched..
Half of the new map's buildings just fold after two supports are gone on the lower floors.
((and my entire team starts talking about bad fps in that moment every time))
Also Please consider moving the CL40 to Gadgets to align more with the RPG and with some adjustments it would give medium an option to Breach.

Alternatively, offer the APS Turret a small buff to counterplay the Grenade Launcher meta without returning to the original APS hellscape that was Powershift early on.

[thorny parcel]

I quit ranked. Game mode is trash. Fix it to be team vs team.

Most of my friends I was playing Ranked with quit it.

[bitter vapor]

CONSTANT crashes with 4090.. Running dx 11 or 12 doesn't matter.

[upbeat tree]

I think devs and players need to realize that certain guns don’t need to be meta or super strong. It’s ok for some weapons to be niche and fun. GL, flamethrower, dagger, dual swords, hammer. Stuff like this, shouldn’t be meta. There will always been crazy’s out there willing to mess with fun niche builds and have fun, but that vast majority should NOT be running cheesy builds with little to no effort

[orchid osprey]

Please let me use the Metro Drifter boots with all the lower body options, they're big unlaced boots that should be able to both physically work with everything but also not clip. (Pretty please, I need to wear these with the ninja hanama for the drip.)

[shadow nebula]

Can’t post the clip In here but riot shield is currently bugged can’t shot them while they are running with it straight at you.

[storm siren]

CL-40 is ruining the fun and experience in this game

[honest verge]

I want to report another round of 9 mediums. Losing to a team with 3 defib and 2 cl-40 is frustrating

[turbid wigeon]

add map banning cuz if i get kyoto one more time im putting a hole in my monitor

[mellow plume]

The "headshot 50 opponents from a distance of 50 meters or more" challenge is just ridiculous. Hitting headshots from that range is very difficult even with the sniper, and 50 times?? Idk what their obsession is with 50 meters but there's always annoying ranged challenges like this where the only viable option is to camp around on power shift with the sniper hoping you get lucky. that challenge is stupid. i don't have a problem with difficult challenges but ones like these force you to play a specific playstyle, and it's not fun. The best challenges are the ones that reward you for good plays, not camping with a sniper.

[vast kelp]

Since S4 my game has been constantly crashing. I've only crashed maybe around 10 times since S1 up till S3, but now it crashes basically every match!

[zealous mural]

revert the cl-40 day #7

[quick coyote]

Maybe if they combined World Tour and rank into one system, you could still earn your rank based on personal performance, with a bonus for winning matches. Matchmaking could still be based on your rank, which would improve World Tour's matchmaking. It would remain more casual because players would be matched with others of similar skill levels, making the experience more balanced and enjoyable.

[velvet nexus]

please improve matchmaking, I literally cant win a game of powershift while having the top score in the lobby consistantly because of the way sbmm works in this game, there is no amount of being good that makes putting 4 significantly worse players on my team fair

[dense tinsel]

In the new map, the jump platforms are really bad. Many times you don't reach the other side or you get stuck jumping back and forth. It also happened to me once that I went over one and it didn't make me jump, I fell straight to the ground.

The new map breaks too easily, and the FPS drop constantly. Unplayable.

NERF the grenade launcher! It's the worst. It wasn’t necessary to buff that, and they did it! If that’s the case, the APS turret should return to its original state! The APS takes 3 projectiles and breaks. How long does it take to spam 3 grenades? 2 seconds. It’s completely unbalanced.

In all maps, there are 2 or more players with grenade launchers, and it’s impossible to play. They come in, press a button, don’t even bother aiming, and win. It makes no sense.

[wide grotto]

Man, I really never like complaining but the Medium CL-40 is insanely oppresive and the possibility of facing 3 of them in any match is exhausting. The APS doesn't have the range nor the ammo to deal with it. There's basically 0 self-damage so it doesn't punish using it at close range. It is the fastest[?] weapon to break the segmented reload, you can almost infinitely chain grenades. The damage and the radius is far too big.

Out of all the changes in this season this buff is jarringly out of place, everything else feels really consistently nice. This could potentially be the best season yet but my friends and I wouldn't know because every single match is a minimum 3 grenade launchers just ruining the flow of combat. It almost feels too dramatic but a hotfix or a deactivation of the weapon -until it is unbuffed or reworked- would increase the enjoyment factor of this season instantly. In a season with an incredible amount of good content, this one is a huge miss.

[frank gull]

Fair, but It already counters Most weapons, & it would bring Frags into the Meta gas, & pyro are hardly used despite being great Utility.

#👂┇game-feedback message @boreal sentinel
Also Sledge can destroy ANY wall, *L sword just got a buff & does crazy DPS, why is *M the only class with half a quirk? There should be a way for blade to perry all weapons damage. Not enough people run Frags, plus sledge & Sword have the melee weapon HEAVILY outclassed with reliability & utility.
Blade should be reworked to be more forgiving it's the only Melee weapon that requires you to stop & slow down in order to use. Closing the distance with melee weapons is already suicide.
I hope Embark reworks Blades.

The only thing stopping this *L from doing 3x damage than me at point blank range was *H health cap...

#👂┇game-feedback message - @verbal breach being able to deflect explosion may be good balance since the class has zero combat trade-offs. *L has great mobility, & most heavy specialization gives him an advantage when close quarters.

#👂┇game-feedback message - I don't use them but it sounds like this guy does.

[uneven mountain]

When you change regions the estimated queue time should be refreshed

[harsh panther]

The 50 headshots from 50m challenge and the 40 kills with gadgets from 40m are both absurdly stupid challenges and if they aren’t going to be replaced, should never have anything like them again

[narrow hearth]

what happened to the lore btw👉👈 i liked the whole hacking the game stuff but i feel like fixing s3s mistakes kinda threw that whole thing in the trash

[unreal bison]

this. 50 headshots from 50 meters is insane

[vagrant tusk]

Try gadget kills from 40m+, unnecessarily hard and counter to how the game should be played

[languid birch]

Why can't I claim my reward drops on Twitch? Drop claimed writes in green at the top of the page. But I can click collect reward again, the account is linked.

[tulip yacht]

Or maybe just play around them with range or height? I only ever struggle from close quarters but other then that,cl40 is useless if they cant close the diatance without being shot...

[amber herald]

I solo que ranked as a gold and I get an unranked teammate and the very next game I get a bronze

The ranked system isn’t balanced because I’ll get these teammates and lose and then go down 1400 points or my teammate will leave mid match and I suffer for it, please fix the ranked system for solo Que people

[rough oasis]

I wish the announcers were more lively, I like the tertiary guy who comments on after team wipes and such

[uneven dagger]

make it so I can set myself invisible for my embark friends

[surreal meadow]

when the game has a gameplay loop

[grand temple]

pls nerf light now please thank you

[cold plaza]

BUFF HEAVY

[sharp creek]

same

[mellow plume]

lowest win rate, least used class yeah totally needs a nerf

[upper citrus]

buff dash

[umbral dock]

nerf pike lmao

[tawny glade]

start a soloq. Every season you need this more and more. I know I'm getting creamed by 3-stack teams. Soloq pleaSe

[cloud jungle]

Please remove in round item swapping from reserve in world tour

Add a separate input for "interact" instead of "interact and equip weapon" for controller

[thick plank]

exactly..the world tour rules litterally say "no in round item swapping from reserve" but still we are able to swap

[ebon hemlock]

IF PIKE ISNT NERFED NEXT WEEK IM DONE WITH THIS GAME.

[carmine salmon]

this game absolutely slams all the other competitors

[uneven dagger]

be done with this game

[quick lichen]

Would be awesome to see watches and other wrist cosmetics visible above gloves when both are equipped

[quick coyote]

It would be great if the score screens could start loading the next page while they're displayed, creating a smoother, more fluid transition between menus and improving the overall experience. woops forgot to kill the replay was going to say somthing to you lol

[cold plaza]

heavy is least used class for casual which is most players erm actually

[versed cloud]

Nerf pike nerf model

[atomic drum]

nerf balancing team😈

[quick coyote]

nerf sword ffs

[broken herald]

nerf model1887, cl and pike

[hexed lotus]

"No the pike isnt a better revolver! It only has: A scope, double the ammo, faster firerate, less recoil, and better range!"
jokes aside, this weapon completely trivializes the revolver and just feels grossly overtuned.
Please make some adjustments devs

[sacred glacier]

buff the m60 damage it feels like shooting literal pees

[quartz shell]

make pike recoil harder to control

[grand temple]

frag grenade needs a nerf of something because its lowkey busted

[rough shell]

THIS GAME IS SO BROKEN. VRAM SPIKES TO MAX WHEN I TAKE DAMAGE FROM ANYTHING. DISGUSTING BUG

[gilded hull]

please rework the model, cl40 and pike

[true hornet]

So we're still allowing every lobby to be 11 cl40s. got it ill play deadlock

[quick coyote]

Stop forcing the new map to be played way more than the others it gives people a bad taste in their mouth about the new map

[brittle obsidian]

i'd love to have your lobbies. i keep getting triple stacks of model and pike

[finite briar]

I am still dropping massive frames when I get into a gun fight. Can't even track well without stuttering for a few seconds. Drops to 10 fps. 30-40 is what I normally play at
I'm barely winning fun fights but the moment someone starts strafe spam with a rifle its over and I can't see their movement

[small spruce]

cl 40 needs to do more self damage to mediums and make the accuracy almost nothing while jumping and shooting with it and make the granade bounce at close quarters . the pike needs needs more recoil. the v95 needs more recoil and a slower fire rate. the sniper rifle needs 0 hit scan and less ammo in the mag

[nimble vale]

Been said before, but outfit saves would really be appreciated. Please and thank you.

[coral forum]

I guess i'm just bad.. 🤷‍♂️

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEAfkrvbv7k

[graceful osprey]

Heres some real game feedback:
1 map every three months isn’t going to you no where, the lack of creativity in your game modes. The lack of creativity in your ranked. Give us team ranked at least. We should be able to have squad names by now almost a year within the game. The recipe is literally right in front of their faced but they continue to take the route of every other fps, proving to end up stale within a month. Wake up devs

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[upper citrus]

unplayable tbh. but still better than signing with holtow

[waxen axle]

the CL40 and sword need to ne nerfed SO BAD my god

[tame owl]

They should re-model it into a lance, because that's how every sword player plays it anyways

[restive crow]

🤣 🤣 the only weapon in finals which requires no skills to use. Just spam shoot + R

[brittle pier]

Why there is a challenge of 50 headshot kills from 50 meter…

[uneven dagger]

Cl40 working as intended

[tribal shore]

Still hoping for extra trophies & achievements in the future 🙏

[boreal wagon]

holy fk I hate model and Id rather play vs 9 model players in a game than a single pike

[karmic sable]

Maybe no one here wants to hear this cus this tab looks like it's just for complaints, but something positive I've just realized. I have been gaming since long before "horse armor". In all the years, all the games, all the dlc & live services... The Finals is the 1st game that I have bought every battle pass from every season, without question. It is just "The Finals bill" @ this point. Cosmetics are always 5star, the game is so fun & addictive that I want to support it. New game modes, maps, events & qol adjustments every season. A new VERY creative take on the modern stale shooter. The devs are down to earth, talk to us constantly, support content creators( 1 of them even replied directly to me in a willfromwork stream chat) & they are actually open to feedback & criticism. My love of online shooters started with BF3 after a lifetime of single player & multiplayer RPGs mostly, so I was onboard from the moment I heard BF devs were making this game & my expectations have been blown out of the water. I want to thank them for everything from OB to S4 & beyond. I do h8 Kyoto, as it haunts my nightmares(beautiful but sucks to play on IMO). But I am 100% loving Fortune Stadium, a mix of all the maps minus Kyoto, feels like it was made just for me🤣 I love The Finals

[tall kernel]

I see some people complain that it’s hard to get out when buildings are falling on top of you and that you get squished . Well yes a building is falling on top of you that’s kinda what’s gonna happens😂 when it happens it’s funny, people be taking video games way too seriously

[tribal spoke]

Need some dual blade buffs stat

[sacred glacier]

remove kyoto and buff m60

[coral forum]

I 2nd this. A lot of negativity in this channel but the game over all is much better than most shooters. And I've been gaming since 1998...

[charred seal]

Whose idea was it to keep a circuit challenge of hit 50 headshots from 50m away? Its soo annoying

[unique mason]

nerf balancing team plz

[modest root]

Kill the balancing team

[vestal yacht]

I'm tired of seeing full lobbies with nothing but mediums and CL40, how do we fix this?

[restive crow]

They made "Light (most played class)" to "Light (least played class)" with a single Medium buff 🤣 🤣. Please nerf these stupid weapons.

[cedar wren]

please let me ban certain classes (light) from being on my team

[tropic wasp]

It's making this game unplayable. Need to be fixed asap

[fading ginkgo]

I swear eliminating 5 opponents from 40 meters or more with gadgets is impossible

[gilded hull]

genuinely change the cl40 model and pike

[lime quail]

Throw a gas grenade from a distance past 40 m. Worked for me! It’s glitched.

[kind condor]

OPTIMIZED YOUR FREAKING GAMEE BROOOOOOO :)) WHAT THE HELL HAPPENNED

[mellow dagger]

I reached Platinum 1 in World Tour, but I didn't get Diamond 4. Right now I have 1,178/1,150 points stuck at P4.
Will it change with the next update?
Did anyone get D4+?

[warm sable]

In the Kyoto map, I have severe frame drops when I get hit. Do you have similar problems?

[solid plinth]

i'm gonna dial back my grind entirely cuz 50 meter headshots FUCKING SUCK

[long void]

I was just about to complain about this

[molten trail]

same thing happened to me i think its bugged or someth. i got d4 at 1,200

[coral forum]

CL-40 : Revert the Damage buff and add one grenade to the tube.

Pike : Decrease the damage per shot or increase the recoil.

The Med class now has the top three most powerful weapons in the game.

[charred seal]

This is torture💀 . Plus its not counting the fire damge lol only gas for the first challenge

[atomic basin]

wish yall knew how to balance guns

[brittle pier]

You’re right this contract is the worts

[random dust]

I think Duel Blades need a buff. it's pretty inconsistent. I'd say give it bleed after two hits or a better deflect, or make the last hit double like the rest of it's combo or make the one or two of the animations faster. like the last hit or to deflect. Just a little more love somewhere.

[quick coyote]

Give the losing team some expressions! It would be cool to have them standing off to the side in the background, reacting to their loss while the winning team celebrates. It would add more personality and immersion to the game.

[fading ginkgo]

Yo tnx dude

[regal storm]

need 1 for quick cash

[runic spire]

I dont know what happened with the finals on this season 4. I think its a way better season than season 3 but two problems i've found by playing just a little bit is that ranked is full of teams playing all three of the guys as medium with CL-40 and its actually very OP. The second thing is that game crushes every couple of times and that never happened to me before. I been playing since S1.

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[lost owl]

Make it 1 overtime cash out its stupid giving 2 teams a chance to comeback

[haughty dirge]

Spawn in fortune stadium when Cashout station on the right side of the Engimo area has a spawn that puts teams pushing the point in enemy sightlines near the corner jump pad in the large Holtow building on the side of the map.

I was just team spawned there and a team was watching with 2 pikes and started shooting at us before we knew where they were.

[echo venture]

Fix performance issues that were created at the start of season 4.

[verbal breach]

Here is a list of changes that might make the dual blades viable:

-Damage Combo to 110, 120, 80
| Allows for kill combos with a quick melee

-Deflected Bullets can crit (uses crit mod from the deflected weapon)
| raises skill ceiling

-widen the deflect cone slightly

-blocks 50% of explosion damage
| we need something against grenade launchers, ok

Please Embark 🙏

[daring fossil]

I love that you guys removed the 10 second count-down instead of just fixing it lol

Also I don't think the 50 headshots from 50m is tracking the AKM

[opaque fog]

Nerf sword

[tawdry tree]

Team balancing is horrible in world tour, I'm silver 4 playing against diamonds (tf guys ? do you even have a job to be diamond in world tour that quick ?)...

[prime mural]

please revert back to the way the game performed prior to update 3.14.0, the game has been poorly optimized since that update and has not improved with the recent updates.

[keen siren]

do the game devs not realize that balancing is not just about weapon damage but weapon characteristics as well? why would you buff grenade launcher because you felt that it wasn't doing as much damage as the other weapons and not realize that it's also AOE and like grenades you can play with it off wall rebounds...? ranked games are cancer with some weapons right now...

@verbal breach that sounds like a dumb idea quite honestly. You're asking for them to buff dual swords so that they're OP? Kill combos, wider cone, block HALF explosion dmg..? Then, in one of your points you ironically state one of the suggestions reasons as "raising the skill ceiling" 😅 While all of the others significantly lower it. You already have something against all SMGs and those guys are defenseless without nades and mines (which take no skill to avoid if you're watching where they land). Huh? You expecting them to make that loadout invincible?... 🤨

@solid yacht Yep

[somber axle]

The only way to do this is have your friend matchmaked together while not being in the same party but in the same match as the enemy, your friend must stand from far distance (50m) then keep headshotting your friend with a sniper until the contract is done

Its repetitive but its the only easy way to finish it 😭

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[slender oasis]

Can there be more customizations later on for the acceleration ramp and stuff? Apex Legends has these sorta options on controller and it severely helps people find their sorta ramp style and finely tune to find the sensitivity that works for them. If you added this people might stop complaining about AA and other nuances of controller.
Like for me personally I've had to spend hrs just trying to finely tune with poor tooling to get a semi comfortable acceleration pattern and that still is a stretch for me to say comfortably.

I personally like a much slower ramp up into a very steep curve, a inflection graph that slightly is a much more aggressive exponential curve (like between 2(x^2)+3 and 3(x^2)+3)