👂┇game-feedback

[silent vapor]

Ranked rewards are next week?

[fringe dragon]

Wanted to ask the same

[regal cairn]

no pike nerf? respectfully id rather see the game have the sword glitch then keep a gun that does 128 headshot and 4 shots mediums in the body

[woven wasp]

You missed CL40 nerf in patch notes. Plz re-write

[flint prawn]

Please add hud opacity slider to prevent oled burn-in.
Thank you

[nova carbon]

Is something wrong with the finals game chat? Mines not working

[teal minnow]

Atleast there is chaos ,I like it. They should leave all weapons like this for a while then they can nerf them. But yeah cl needs a dmg nerf to 97-105

[torpid sky]

lh1 got nerfed 1 week into s3 because it was "op" now we have a more op lh1 on a better class (pike) and it hasn't been nerfed on today's patch, love the double standards

[crystal storm]

Cool, looks like the devs will wait for people to leave the game before nerfing cl40. Anyone complaining about anything else just don't understand gun balance, there is literally a gun now to bypass aiming and is more effective than the other guns at the same time.

[nimble kiln]

I'd say that if i didn't have enough brain power to have the ability of tying my shoe laces

[glad dirge]

cosmetic loadouts separate from class/weapon/spec/equipment loadouts would be cool, also a random option for cosmetic slots with favoriting to select which skins you want in the random pool

[fathom aurora]

patch out! time for the nerf gang rage 🤓

[mental hatch]

Where the fuck cl40,model,pike nerfs. Are you seriously??????

[broken herald]

nerf model1887, cl and pike

[half quarry]

still no nerf??

[restive gate]

Here it cooooomes

[fallow idol]

Gun don't need nerfs they are perfect fine. Get good

[violet elbow]

no pike nerf, no model nerf, no mesh revert, no buffs to underperforming weapons, no nade indicator, no streamer mode, no ability to hide elo, ranked is just gonna be miserable unplayable dogshit for another week at 40k+

but hey next weeks Update is gonna look like they finally did some work on the game after 2 weeks maybe, we will have to see, and until then Medium just keeps running around with 2 Light weapons (Pike and Model) while high elo is unplayble because people hard focus and namechase because they see a diamond emblem on a team.

[unkempt bane]

LETS GOOOOOO DEAD GAMEEEEEEEEEEEE

[hazy shore]

game would be way better without cloak

[quaint hollow]

Still no update for Xbox? How long will it take man Microsoft is crap, wishing I got a ps5 instead at this point

[swift crater]

[scarlet knoll]

Come on man how was the cl-40 not nerfed

[somber gyro]

Mfw the cl-40 wasn’t nerfed

[fallow sedge]

Can we please get the goo gun to have a toggle in settings for auto or manual, The auto setting throws off timing when your firing one ball at a time between shots

[tall herald]

how about a discord quest where you can earn something, dont really care what, but i think that would be a good advertisement for the game, this game deserves more players

[tawny oriole]

I dont see too much players using it, if pike is op should amany players using it, but its not the case.

[hollow iron]

There already was one

[vapid sand]

Its funny how everybody just posting "nerf CL Nerf pike nerf bla bla" but nobody is giving a clean feedback with some different views or any solution. Thats just nonsese embark shouldt listen to. These people want a solution but even they don't know what they want to have changed exactly..

[glacial knot]

Yes cl40 is annoying but you can counter it with APS. Stop crying in the chat and use your brain. The only thing they should do now is increase APS cooldown speed . Bye bye cl40

[zealous mural]

Reverse cl-40 buff. This game is fucking unplayable because of that shit weapon

[feral adder]

Reverse the cl 40 buff and just make the ammo 5 instead of 4, either make the firing of the pike way slower or make the damage less, also i think light new shotgun should do like 140 for a full hit instead of 121

[tropic root]

You do realise that that's exactly why they nerfed Mesh shield. It was annoying and new/casual players don't know how to counter it. The cries for CL nerf won't mellow down until they nerf it.

[idle oracle]

There have been plenty of people suggesting adjusting linear explosions, lowering splash damage while keeping direct damage, etc. I would say there have been enough concise suggestions.

[still kiln]

If Cl40 would stay the same, which is powerful but in a way counterable! Could other classes get acces to a aps type system? Or would a buff to other weapons be in order to gauge the cl40' explosive range and power? (buff would be range or damage)

[finite galleon]

Season 3 releases. LH1 buffed and becomes insanely overpowered (it's as powerful as pike)
1 Week later, Buffed LH1 gets nerfed, alongside a couple other changes.

Season 4 releases. Pike is insanely overpowered and is a literal straight upgrade LH1 on medium
1 Week later we get a nothing sandwich update

I thought we were keeping the momentum...

[torpid sky]

you clearly don't play wt and ranked

[zinc scaffold]

Are the devs trying to abuse cl40 in ranked to get themselves to diamond before nerfing? like how is this not nerfed

[rough herald]

guys, there's such a thing as a performise update, not every patch going to be balance changes

[tacit patrol]

Funny how they wanted new players to join and keep playing. But they're getting demolished by cl40's rn. GREAT JOB TEAM!!!

[graceful hollow]

i am, lets keep the cl40 as is!

[fickle rune]

I saw 7 of 10 players using cl in power shift fr in asian server

[mental hatch]

BOYCOTT THIS GAME UNTIL ALL SHIT GETS NERFED

[crystal storm]

Nerf CL40 now, don't wait another week for a patch while people are leaving the game. Most people won't come back.

[blissful crescent]

When will you add 120 fps to console

[unkempt bane]

Completely uneducated game hahahaha

[wheat hill]

FIX THE FUCKING CRASHES

[novel stream]

To everyone who thought the devs were gonna be smart and fix the CL40 and buff the mesh shied guess what they did not

[deft light]

check patchnotes 4.1.0 .. hopefully it gets resolved for you after the update.. i have had 0 crashes luckily since s4 started

[sand ether]

wtf is wrong with matchmaking
lost over 5000sr so far by teaming up with players that having literally 3-5 times lower combat score, kills, assist
playing with bots for last week

[upper citrus]

Because players need to learn how to naturally counter things. Literally stand on any amount of highground and you will become invincible to the cl40. Throw a goo barrel and stand on top of it

[river plover]

what if the enemy counters by having high ground

[hearty quiver]

plz allow private matches to start with one player only

[boreal sentinel]

New map idea: Seaside carnival. American style. Horror attraction full of unexpected traps and shit. If ferris wheel is destroyed, it will roll all the way on the map until it reached and fall at the entrance. Anyone who gets in the way will be squashed. Roller coasters can be ride by players for long range advantage point. Roller coaster rides can be shut down by 2 players at the control panel. If a player on a coaster got stopped in the middle of a loop, he will fall to his death. House of mirrors will have the best advantage to hide from players but it has some turrets (npc). Circus is filled with parkour obstacles for very nice maneuverability. Horse carousel can be riden by a player to reveal a cashout terminal. Popcorn stands will heal a small amount of players health.

[indigo pasture]

Instead of nerfing the CL-40, why not buff what counters it? APS turret is in the worst state it's ever been, and could probably be much more useful if it blocked 6-8 projectiles instead of a measly 3 from the 40% HP per blocked projectile. I'd also be running it ALOT more, considering I and probably alot of people have not touched APS since its nerf due to its lack of usefulness as of right now

[shadow cairn]

@pearl kiln Hey can I just weigh in here, CL 40, everyone knows it's BS compared to a rocket launcher, but how does my rocket do 100 and a pencil can do 320?
Came here to complain about the CL overall though. What's the risk/reward in using a rocket? Less damage, less ammo, 30 second reload?

[half sequoia]

dawg do people cry here 24/7 every day? yes cl40 is busted and it is a new meta, we had model and akm 24/7 for the entire season 3 for mediums. Just adapt, run aps and jumppad, half of these people are new to cl40 and can't hit mid air direct hits

[topaz salmon]

Not a gameplay suggestion, but instead a cosmetic one. stacking or even dividing makeup and body paint so that there is even more customizable options

[thorn arrow]

even when everything will be balanced, still there will be a bunch of crybabies, so yeah the loop never ends

[tropic root]

Because nerfing CL is the best counter to CL. and the cries won't stop until they nerf CL.

[urban shuttle]

balances should be done with buffs not nerfs everything has been nerfed to shit and its so boring

[white remnant]

Game on xbox broke? TFLA0011 error code

[tough sapphire]

Am I dreaming or they just made a skin for CL40 when everybody is hating this gun ?

[torpid sky]

trent you're going on the list

[buoyant thunder]

Yep, I have the same error 😅

[crystal storm]

because thats not the way to balance guns, if a weapon in the game requires you to have a utility slot (that only one class has access to) to deal with its a sign that the weapon is the problem. Stop trying to apply backwards thinking when the problem is right there.

I know it sounds scary to have your cool new shiny crutch taken away but its for the best of the game.

[wraith orchid]

EMBARK at least tell us that you want to wait 2 weeks or so until the next balance changes to calm down our minds and dont give us the feeling of you letting us hang.
besides that.
REVERT SNIPER CHANGE OR RAISE HITSCAN RANGE TO 120 METERS OR MORE

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

NERF CL40
(lower damage but higher magazine and maybe bigger aoe to make his aoe the main utility AND NOT JUST PURE DAMAGE

[blazing haven]

For me the problem with the CL is that the user never seems to die after hitting me point blank with it, even if he hits me twice. Self damage should be devastating.

[snow scaffold]

2 patch notes since my request and still no deadzone update, let me play The Finals on console please😩.

[neon cargo]

nerf da pike

[ember abyss]

For Fuck Sake please nerv this CL, its a no skill wepaon... no discussion, its so bad I feel forced to play this bullshit because its so stupidly overpowerd
Besides my toxicity forward this gun here is the way I would balance it...
Reduce the explosion radius a bit and the camera shake you get from it.
And make it that a light needs 3 shots from it to die from the damage

Also to note... the game itself is still pretty fun, you guys created something awesome!

[boreal sentinel]

Nah. Dont nerf the CL. If light gets their cringe annoying sword with 2 plunge hits to kill a M. We get a weapon to counter you losers as well

[storm siren]

Exactly

[keen lily]

I see embark going EA route, buff weapon in one udpate (CL-40), then add skins for it in the next update. So no worries people crying over here about CL-40, it will be nerfed next update according to this pattern.

[smoky gust]

I cant tell if the paintball cl-40 skin shoots actual paintballs that leave behind paint on impact, or if its just the normal projectile

This would kind of make or break it for me

It would be nice to be able to test skins in the shooting range for cases like this

[topaz salmon]

That is not the case at all XD the cl40 needed a buff and it got over buffed but you dont need to go buck wild and compare them to EA

[fallen vapor]

Nerf both and buff C4. Bring back the nuke meta.

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[urban shuttle]

Skill issue. And before you ask, I use revolver exclusively.

[fringe obsidian]

I just bought it, no paint :c

[echo radish]

For this, I can surely say Dealing APS as CL-40 main is skill issue. I didn't have a issue way back in S2 where APS is just infinite shield.

[lime fable]

Can u please split console and pc its just boring i know the playerbase is dead on console for this reason, my lobbies r just pc players

[tall herald]

really? when? what was the reward? fuck im pretty sure i missed it, man now im sad 😄

[tacit patrol]

Why is the "spoons" throwing knives set only limited to Forks and Knives? It should be random like you're taking it out of the dishwasher and throw in an occasional Spork for good measure. Please embark, have some taste

[hazy shore]

game would be way better without cloak

[echo urchin]

Who’s we? Speak for yourself or get people to sign a petition. Stop trying to prop your opinions up on assumed agreement with the masses.

You’re also being hyperbolic; the fact that you’re implying the pike is as oppressive as the CL40 is wild.

We also know a bunch of the devs on a first name basis because they consistently participate in the community, they also have a track record of listening to the community and making changes based on community feedback, while also doing all the maintenance stuff, and making new stuff, and having personal lives, and doing streams, fixing actual game breaking bugs, fixing minor bugs, etc cetera. Jfc.

@keen lily as someone who played COD and FIFA for years, how dare you compare Embark to EA. Literally all last season the community was bitching about the CL40 being useless and it not having any skins, so embark buffed it (too much) and added skins. Balancing is hard, especially for this game. Pleasing everyone in the community is hard. Embark is trying, anyone who doesn’t see or appreciate that has a cognitive skill issue.

[upper citrus]

Blow it up

[crystal storm]

giga cope to compare a gun you need to aim with to one that just almost plays itself, this has to be some console gamer

[unkempt bane]

Why are you guys angry about cl40.

If you dont like it.

Just dont play the game.

[strange ermine]

Imo this is the only nerf it needs.

[quaint forge]

I agree man, people just won’t shut the fuck up and just cry about dying to a weapon cuz they have the mentally that if they can’t win against someone then the weapon is too op

[granite agate]

Hello. Please return the backstab skillshot to the dagger!🗡️ I BEG YOU 😭🙏

It is the fastest way to do it. Now you either totally secure it, become slowed and lose precious milliseconds/the kill altogether OR you risk "playing it as fast as the skillshot would be" which often leads to 99% charged backstab but not 100%, meaning in the middle of battle you wind up and nothing happens, which absolutely breaks my heart, wrenches my guts and aches my brain to see perfectly good kills slip by because I simply CANNOT be as fast and precise at releasing the stab, as it naturally unfolds. (which I shouldn't feel the need to be because there was no reason to ruin perfectly good weapon so that camping noobs get to casually play with it without learning it first;)

I repeat, it's eldritch pain for the dagger to not work any more and I lose 3-4 kills every game in front of my eyes which are often traded to 1-2 deaths because I simply cannot do it in the natural rhythm of the weapon anymore and am left screaming saliva droplets at my monitor: "RELEASEEEEE! PLEASE FNG DAGGER RELEASE THE FNG BACKSTAB PLEASEEEEEEE" (yes it can be that painful for an autist when something doesn't work the way it should)

My suggestions in order of preference: 1) if right click is not held -> auto skillshot release 2) left+right click together -> auto skillshot release 3) at 60-80% of backstab channel, IT WILL RELEASE if right click is not held anymore 4) make a little blade glare at the tip & bling sound cue when backstab channel completes; it's not clear enough in the heat of the battle.

Thank you for your consideration. I will provide further feedback if desired so.

[crisp oxide]

NERF I T THIS PATCH NOW

[terse slate]

Please execute a banwave... so many cheaters running wild with kd 4.0+ ..

[tough merlin]

We're off to a great start! Looking like another season of store updates cause money!

@river plover sure. go look at s1, s2, s3 patch notes side by side.

[tired fable]

because sometimes a positive message is enjoyable instead massives whinning every day :
I appreciate changes you have done for AKM, XP54, M60, MGL32, SH1900, Reshaper, Dematerializer, 93R (maybe need an other tiny buff, but i can't tell you how)

we are in the good way

[river plover]

Its not like they are patching less because they are too busy with the shop, there's different teams working on different things

[bold saffron]

level 8 (or 7) skin for healing gun when??

[hearty monolith]

hi

[potent oasis]

Bro Embark you will lose tons of players until you patch the game

[delicate basin]

Heavy needs a beer belly

[quick coyote]

no CL40 nerf...

[wary hedge]

make the AKM LAVA LUSTER Skin reach full lava form faster, after the magazine nerf the skin doesn't feel the same, make the lava/fire appaear faster and stay for longer

[sudden tangle]

Ridiculous update. Just delete the light class at this point. Since s1 it has been the worst competitive class by far.

Actual advice ive been giving but you haven't been listening: SEPARATE BALANCE FOR COMPETITIVE AND CASUAL MODES. BUFF LIGHT IN COMPETITIVE. NERF IN CASUAL. IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

Im not touching this game until L is on par with the other classes in competitive.

[dense ocean]

cl40 nerf pls

[hazy shore]

buff dash

[tacit patrol]

Cl40 nerf please, if you're going to keep the numbers at least decrease the radius so it doesn't feel like the Germans are flying over when a Cl40 player thinks about us in a general direction..

Also, since the sniper received projectile drop, can we get a scope with ticks on it so we can estimate the drop instead of the bare bones one we have today.

[graceful snow]

pike needs a nerf but im thankful for the sword dash bug fix

[modern echo]

Please fix this graphical glitch 🤪

[upper citrus]

Keep CL40 the same, implement a tips popup on death that gives advice to the player on how to naturally play against something without mentioning the use of specific items.

This would be great for players as well as for the dev team to look back at everything and analyze whether or not some weapons and gadgets are actually well balanced

[rough harness]

What happend to Crossplay with 4.1

[vagrant fossil]

💯

[river plover]

Alr, looked at them, turns out they were also updating the shop back then

Of course the amount of things they actually patch each patch has gone down, and I agree thats a bad thing, but the shop doesnt have anything to do with it

[rough herald]

death pop up tip would be so fking good

[crisp oxide]

why hasnt hthe cl40 been nerfed???????????

[tribal barn]

I like how light is unplayable against cl40 now

[smoky gust]

Good idea, yes please

[flint prawn]

Please add hud opacity slider to prevent oled burn-in.
Thank you

[tranquil storm]

Bring back dagger right click

[thick cipher]

Embark please:

1. Revert cl40 dmg buff, the increased blast radius is what makes it "not 100% accuracy" so now that's fixed. The dmg buff just makes it unbreathable to play against
2. Change the 2nd pose on the iseul-t emote, it doesn't look fashionable it just looks like "bleh"
3. Fix the gateway. 2/3 times it won't get placed after being thrown
4. Add new halftime shows and map variants

[proper crescent]

1. It is not that bad, play distance and/or high ground
2. Shouldn't have picked iseul-t idk
3. It only disappears if it's too close to the ceiling, you go more than 70 meters away, or it's over the void, there are ways to throw it so the first doesn't happen
4. Yeah sure those would make the game more interesting and there aren't any variants for the new maps

[wraith orchid]

its just a new rythm you need to learn i learned i pretty fast and i dont think i will ever going back to the old one when it gets added again because its just wayy more consistent and forgiving since you can delay the stab if you notice that your current try couldnt reacg the back. You just stay holding and dash a second time 😃

[unique lotus]

HALLOWEEN MODE IDEA!

• all guns gets flashlights, since it’s halloween night.

• it’s regular cashout, but there’s a twist.. instead of money, you collect candy and deposit it in a candy station!

• a monster lurks the streets of monaco and you have to make sure you don’t die to it,

• it can’t be killed and one you die to it, the def won’t work and you have to wait 30 secs for a respawn

[crystal storm]

HALLOWEEN MODE IDEA!

• Remove CL-40

[blissful onyx]

the monster idea would be very cool.. imagine hiding in a room and outside the window it stands..

[urban shuttle]

Give it a rest bro hop off discord and go outside. You're on here at all hours you negative nancy

[keen abyss]

WTF ARE THE PATCH NOTES

[magic wing]

Give mesh shield charges similar to light cloak, opening the shield will consume one of the charges.
If you don't want to have players juggle shields then this change makes it so if players do juggle the shield they're left exposed, but doesn't immediately punish a heavy for just dropping the shield for a second

[rough herald]

🤣 fun time

[dull oyster]

found a problem with the game
smoke disables thermal signature, so you can't really see heat, just gray people magically
so the use of thermal vision is being heavily diminished because its somewhat hard to see gray people with gray background

[scenic yoke]

heya, thought i'd through out the idea that you could see your history of games in the career page? like you could see the log of your past 20 games, how you placed and a breakdown of when people got what cashouts? it might make reviewing past games easier and quicker?

[narrow hearth]

cl40 buff!! stop pleasing the whiny community

[sleek dawn]

CL40 should oneshot lights 🗿

[viscid spade]

buff the cl40 its terrible

[strange ermine]

All the enemy teams are appearing as red. Is this intentional?

[lilac kite]

One sees these dashing lights with sword and they complain when they get countered with something has cheesy like CL-40

[fading flame]

Cl-40 is able to deal more damage than an fcar by almost double and takes nearly no skill

[astral yew]

Delete low gravity thanks

[upbeat urchin]

this is how it has always been since release, "thermal" vision is more "night" vision

[rough harness]

Since cl40 got a buff lights are No Problem in this Game

[rotund moat]

Reddit hosting AMA with game devs take your questions there

[neon kettle]

Hi, I have some stuff to say which may have been already said but if not hope this can help.
Since season 4 launches the performance of the game has take a nosedive, my fps drop even in maps where they didn't use to drop, I'm aware there was some changes at the engine for better performance so I'm confused.

and some stuff with the emotes, when I use em the sound effects and even some elements like the ray of light, and the UFO sound effect on the alien emote just don't play. I guess it plays for my teammates but not for me.

A very nitpicky thing sometimes when I get connected to a match the skin doesn't show correctly, it's one of the new premade ones.

[thick cipher]

1. Unfortunately bro, IT IS that bad. The RPG does 100 dmg and only has 1 charge. The CL40 does 117 per grenade and has 4 charges. And good luck playing distance when you're indoor at fortune stadium or sys horizon. And yes of course I'm going high ground as soon as I can, but you don't always get there first, and even if you do then they push the highest floor and you're all on the same one now.
2. Well I would've picked iseul-t in any case because the drip is immaculate, but I'm giving feedback on the content and saying what could be done better. Is this channel not for that?
3. I agree with everything you said, however the cases I'm speaking about are when I'm throwing the gateways in open spaces. Just imagine you're trying to cross a gap (radio station to hospital on Seoul) and you don't want to take the bridge because reasons. So you throw the first gateway where you want to teleport, somewhere up in the air 15m away from you, and the second one at your feet. None of them procs. You do this 8 times before it works. This is just 1 case, sometimes there's not even any gap (vegas parking lot) and it just doesn't proc.
4. 🤝

To the guy who said sword users are dashing around: since the dash cooldown nerf, I barely see any sword being used now. And even if you use the sword, the restriction on the dash cd is very punishing if you're not skilled enough. Even if you are, very often you can get into the engagement and get your kill(s), but you can't get out because you have no dash left.

[novel stream]

CL40 is literally ruining the game

[leaden stream]

Well, the finals game balance issues are more noticeable and frustrating for some reasons

[vale acorn]

The game has been crashing more straight to desktop recently even with my friends

[fair pewter]

We need ranked power shift

[proper crescent]

1. Yeah I guess the other day I did get hit and thought it was an RPG, but that was the first time I had an issue so far this season
2. I like my engimo color
3. Yeah I guess it might be checking the ground below before the portal actually opens when it's really close like across the gap to engimo building on fortune stadium

[unkempt bane]

Dead game

[tepid tapir]

EMBARK Ive lost 3 matches because of game bugs... my map turned completely blue in 1 game, I couldn't fire my weapon in the next game and then there was one where when I tried to use my rpg it would just turn my flamethrower around and load it like the rpg and then it wouldnt fire... also all yall complaining about the cl-40 are dumb, have you tried using it? its really not that good.

[quick coyote]

You need to hotfix the CL40 ASAP. The game is borderline unplayable at the moment.

[gloomy falcon]

they probably will do it after they lost tons of players

[graceful snow]

ty for your feedback <3

[rough hinge]

Imagine a world where the APS wasn't made useless with only 3 charges..... maybe the CL40 wouldn't be as big of a issue. (Again asking for Embark to fire the person who does balancing they have no idea what they are doing.)

[deep mantle]

Love the game, and the changes this season really have been mostly great but:
Cl40 needs heavy nerfs. Suggest making the hitbox smaller than it was before if you want to keep the damage potential.
This game cannot be balanced as long as defib works the way it does. Medium has been the best class since the beginning of the game because of it, (heavies power came from mediums enabling) 99% of players run defib, bc it's a broken mechanic. If you don't want to outright rework it, I suggest at least making the loading bodies be able to be shot through, then you can punish the defibber for stupid plays at least. But tbh it's just broken and will always be the best item in the game in its current state. I think just remove it, or turn It into a melee weapon or something idk

[quick coyote]

Woah nice season devs, awesome job with everything!

[merry loom]

This is a setting you can accidentally toggle. Turn show team colors back on and you’ll be good to go.

[strange ermine]

Thanks, I appreciate it.

[sullen raft]

My game gave me a suspension from matchmaking because the game crashed L

[quaint forge]

Bro how do people complain about nade launcher? I play light with dash, just don’t get hit omg people suck if they can’t dodge a slow coming projectile compared to hitscan

[wraith orchid]

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols.

[elder folio]

Has a massively lower ttk, but it's more consistent IG

[dull oyster]

CL-40 requires 2 things:
-increase self damage
-reduce AOE/reduce damage, make full damage on BODY hits

[earnest sierra]

CL-40 IS OP AND SO EASY TO USE AND IS SO ANNOYING TO PLAY AGAINST

EITHER GIVE US OLD APS TURRET BACK OR INCREASE SELF DAMAGE AND DAMAGE RADIUS REDUCTION

[bold silo]

idiot goes afk in finals and I cannot report him wtf

[keen lily]

nerf pike, this is the worst meta yet, even 2 players with good aim make it very hard to get close to the obj in map variants where cashouts are in open spaces
also I am good at revolver, been playing it since season 2 and it pisses me off I have basically no reason to play it anymore

[low galleon]

Why is the M60 Red dot broken? I wish I can upload an image but come on

[crystal storm]

Remove CL-40

[toxic shadow]

people way too whiny over cl40, gets stomped by simply going for highground or forcing the user to commit to self damage, meanwhile noone bats an eye at pike for some reason. reeks of quickplay opinions...

[upper citrus]

Keep CL40 the same, implement a tips popup on death that gives advice to the player on how to naturally play against something without mentioning the use of specific items.

This would be great for players as well as for the dev team to look back at everything and analyze whether or not some weapons and gadgets are actually well balanced

[gloomy falcon]

I just tried to use CL-40, i think it needed a buff, please

• increase the damage to 325
• increase its radius to 80%
• reduce the self damage to 0.10%
• have 10 mags before reload
• make it available to Light and Heavy too

i think this will balance the game for a very long time,
Thank you.

[noble ivy]

explain that..

[dense bramble]

This should go in bug reports

[unkempt bane]

Yeah that is a bug. Use brain

[sudden tangle]

Why is embark slacking? S4 is supposed to be a redemption arc. The balance is extremely bad. LIGHT is useless in competitive (no news here). Cl-40 just what? Medium overall is so broken atm. Healbeam needs to not stack and heal less if target is taking damage. Famas is overtuned. Pike is overtuned. Charge and slam is stupid, it shouldn't multi hit with charge and charge damage should build up like slam damage, not instant 130 dmg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ridiculous balance embark. Actually sad.

[burnt notch]

It just got buffed bro..

[mental hatch]

BOYCOTT THIS GAME UNTIL ALL SHIT GETS NERFED

[green spoke]

BRO FAK THS CL 40, NERF THAT FUCKING GUN

[bold silo]

Ranked system is broken, you have Bots as players, 20k points running into walls, they dont know how to walk

Remove ranked or hire competent people to fix it, this feels like monkeys pressed random keys and designed it.

3 wins in a row you get 1000 points 1 loss you lose 1000 points, do you know how to contemplate at embark lol

[thick cipher]

1. Lucky you fr, or you've been playing ranked mostly. Unfortunately, this is very toxic for casuals and new players who are trying to get used to the game. I want a video game to be something fun I can play to unwind, not something to sweat on just to survive 1 single weapon
2. The colour does look crisp. May the best one win my brother 🤝
3. Maybe, but I've had this happen so many times in Vegas too, where there's no gap. Since S3

[torn nymph]

what about add a individual pistol for player and knifes to replace melee?

[wise jolt]

PIKE breaks the game

[celest junco]

The pike should do 49 damages.
The number of bullet per mag and RPM could be slightly higher in compensation, but please it shouldn't take 3 bullets to down a light when the 357 also needs 3 bullets for a light.

Or instead the 357 could be buffed to 75 damage to not make it useless.

[wraith orchid]

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

[granite agate]

Fennec fox skin.

Reasons listed:

[magic wren]

maybe read his ironic text first bro.. :D

[tropic root]

Friendly fire

[daring fossil]

nothing but "performance and stability" changes with the patch notes, but still haven't fixed the performance problems and crashes introduced in 3.14. another week barely playing this game again.

[violet matrix]

Cl-40 players are so pathetic

[keen shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263839733423800412/1290385363440894043/tenor.gif

[waxen citrus]

Please… I need HUD boundaries for my Ultrawide display……

[gilded sage]

maybe a little dramatic guys lol

[oblique olive]

nerf pike

[eternal perch]

It's so funny to read the patch notes. TL; DR: We know most people play Lights and just a few of you play Heavys, but you guys keep winning, so we're gonna buff the Lights and nerf the Heavys. Meanwhile we decrease the rpg, propane and explosive mine damage we're gonna up the annoying CL-40s damage that we nerfed 6 months ago because it was annoying.

[sonic spoke]

Thank you for doing this every season!
https://tidal.com/album/389585855?u

[noble ivy]

image buffing cl40 and after 3 days go out the skin of it HAHAHA only business

[pseudo leaf]

Why do you guys have 3 pike skins in battle pass

[upper citrus]

Keep CL40 nearly the same with maybe some minor tuning, implement a tips popup on death that gives advice to the player on how to naturally play against something without mentioning the use of specific items.

This would be great for players as well as for the dev team to look back at everything and analyze whether or not some weapons and gadgets are actually well balanced

[violet elbow]

Model Nerf
Pike Nerf
Nade Indicator
elo hidden in ranked
Streamer/Anonymous mode
Infinite Reload Bug still ingame
Sprint Bug still ingame
instadropping things you pick up bug still ingame
Mesh still not reverted
XP still not reverted (with a range nerf)

these are things the game needs, and im really hoping we get them sooner or later

[dark hull]

Overall, I’m enjoying season 4 more than 3.

Good work, Devs

[fervent vortex]

Vouch this entire statement, also support comp you goobers and stop lying in private calls

[storm drum]

Nerf this shit….

[gilded sage]

You should have only gave medium a little buff instead of nerfing the classes they complain about.

Also since ttk is so high this season maybe flamethrower can have its 2 dmg back? 👉👈

[waxen citrus]

Please add HUD boundaries so we can center our HUDs on Ultrawide

[delicate basin]

Can I please get more than 2 seconds to prepare my loadout if I get backfilled

[silent pine]

Kill cam. Some plays just NEED to be ran back to be seen again.

[teal minnow]

they said that they are working on it but it is hard to make kill cam with this game because of destruction BUT it will be a thing they said

[uneven dagger]

Nerf your tone

[finite galleon]

Somehow S4 had a worse release than S3...

[rose isle]

Party based matchmaking. If I’m queueing solo don’t match me against 3 stacks while I have 2 dogshit lights who just came from call of duty. This matchmaking makes no sense

[ivory temple]

i swear to god the nade launcher is unbearable

[tropic root]

After the medium mains are done emptying their wallets

[honest harness]

Aaaaaaah. After the update, all my settings resetted to the defaults 😭

[rustic patrol]

Okay, what the hell happened to the gas? It instantly starts damaging, the damage gets to the max in mere seconds. It's simply unplayable against gas. I don't main Flamethrower Nekri.

[tough sapphire]

use flame

[languid breach]

Can y’all fix Kyoto for Xbox it’s unplayable 🤦‍♂️

[covert yacht]

how tf can they have a patch and not just nerf the CL 40'

[warm compass]

1- light crying babies on cl40 you have one stab kill sowrd and stungun dash vanish you name it . skill issues 2- buff aim assist

[upper citrus]

Buff dash

[verbal bane]

As a casual player, I once again request for greater penalties for players who voluntarily quit matches.

There should be a matchmaking penalty where you are matched only with other "quitters" for a 24 hour period from the point of each voluntary "quit".

Quitters are ruining this game in all modes, especially so in Power Shift which is the most popular game mode among casual players.

Please, please, please punish quitters.

[jagged cedar]

Preach 🗣️

[waxen citrus]

Please add HUD boundaries so we can center our HUDs on Ultrawide

[odd ibex]

Rework ideas

3 health beam plus defib it’s crazy,health beam needs to start off at a slow pace for medium and especially heavies and then heal at a normal rate.

Pike is so strange,it’s like a way better revolver,if u could add a more zoomed sight for revolver it would be perfect.
A camping medium with pike’s long range and high fire rate is crazy to deal with.
Pike is a better lh with more health as medium,bad new entry as a weapon.

Pike needs a total hip fire nerf and lower fire rate.

Data reshaper rework should be if u reshape 3 orange barrels then u get one time use of a pyro grenade or gas if u get green canister or glitch grenade if u get 3 blue barrels,your team mates can gather them,so there is teamwork!

Gravity boots for wall running?

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positions and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

[spice dagger]

nerf the nade launcher ffs. can't believe thats not in the patch. They nerf stuff that was fine (AK, FCAR after the first 2 nerfs) then make this broken , and they buffed TK and sword which I did not see anyone ask for. Who tests this!

[marsh trellis]

Make glitch grenade cancel defib revives if the revive is still in the hologram state

[bold plaza]

will we be able to put the red dot sight on other guns such as xp-54 and 93r in the near future? the red dot has been such a welcome addition to guns like the m11 and v9s

[tawny tinsel]

as a level 19 i always go against level 60s is this normal ???

[elder folio]

You can already randomize animations, just have it be the same way for skins and allat, no need to copy ow2 and apex

[tough sapphire]

Plz buff just a bit mesh shield, 7 sec is just too much. feels like ur being punished for knowing how to play mesh shield. Honestly this feels like a fuck you to the heavy...

[quick coyote]

CHANGE KNIFE BACKSTAB TO WHAT IT WAS BEFOREEE

[signal basin]

Oh quick reminder YOU FORGET TO NERF DEAGLE AND CL40 !!!!

BUFF THE LIGHT FOR ONCE. BEING ONE OR TWO SHOT BY EVERYTHING IS NOT FUN

[lilac pelican]

Valid.

[waxen citrus]

Please add HUD boundaries so we can center our HUDs on Ultrawide

[chilly fern]

i agree, it just doesnt hit the same

[pastel tapir]

The game is actually the BEST FPS we have at the moment, thanks embark, here, there is my game feedback

[daring fossil]

Fix performance issues and crashes introduced in 3.14 I went from maintaining 165 fps at maxed settings in every map to 150 at the main menu and 90-120 in matches. I have also gotten 6 crashes since 3.14 and that's probably more crashes than I've had entirely since launch.

[paper oak]

yap yap

[tall kernel]

No Balance update in 1 week and your complaining.. tell us you’re a spoiled brat without telling us.

[opaque holly]

I would really love it if we could make it more obvious when you're being healed. As a heavy it would let me know I've got support and can push and as a healer I think it would make healers more appreciated. I had a game yesterday where a heavy was insinuating I didn't do much damage. Like yeah the only reason you did any was because I was keeping you alive

[latent kettle]

That's gratitude for you, wow.

[frank gull]

If that guy had any other gun I'm sure I would have lost since I didn't have a teammate at first.
That kid realized a little to late that he couldn't hit his shots from low ground since he had the cl,
However glitch grenades are already a hard counter to everything in the game, removing timing leaving only tracking in the equation made the gadget kind of hacky going against Mesh & Dome, *L doesn't need it's gadgets to have any more hacky quirks on top of best/most utility in the game I.M.O.
Stun gun being able to stop a steal for over .5 sec is OP when objective carrrys so much weight with time.
Vanish bomb gives a specialization to 3 people.
Glitch grenades counter everything in the game.
Gateway is the best mobility in the game.
Tracking dart is probably the best tracking gadget now.
Thermal Bore is the best breach in the game.
C4 got a buff so I'm sure that's nice.
Thermal vision is just really fun, that should be able to detect mines, maybe even gas better.

Defibs typically will result in a free kill since it's nerf.
If you just randomly, instantly Defibrillate player, plus it's very easy to track a contestant unable to move.
They're basically a practice dummy, but blue...
Hit the range & breathe it's not that hard.
If I can do it anyone can.
Just get the high ground like @pale quest said and hit a flank with the Squad.

*L was amazing at combat S3 go watch anyone play T.A. the problem is finding a good *L everyone shouldn't be picking the high skill class just like everyone shouldn't be using the high skill weapons.

*H was the least picked, *M was the most complained about by far, But the masses keep picking *L.
People are tired of *L abandoning/baiting them.
Experienced players can predict mobility especially when they know it's not going to be coordinated around the squad majority of the time.

[tulip yacht]

Lowkey i was dissapointed that the cl40 paintball skin didnt shoot blobs of paintballs or anything,really really dropped the ball

[storm inlet]

winning 300 pts for losing a final wtf you lose 5 times more and get so much less for winning/second place how is it fair ?

[obsidian timber]

Lights are OP with all their weapons. No need to buff them at all. Infact the weapons need ot be nerfed for lights

[gloomy falcon]

i think CL-40 needed a buff, its really in weak spot right now in the meta, please
increase the damage to 325
increase its radius to 80%
reduce the self damage to 0.10%
have 10 shots before reload
make it available to Light and Heavy too

i think this will balance the game for a very long time,
Thank you.

[sudden zodiac]

Light was amazing in TA because these classes weren't designed for TA initially. Having high burst damage and every other class having a cap on regen it made it to where light exceled at cleanup kills and putting chip damage to get people low. We're no longer in season 3 though, we're in season 4 and back to cashout gameplay with world tour and ranked. In season 4 the most common pick for high elo is triple medium because medium has literally no opportunity cost or counterplay other then "shoot them more lmao" and medium excels at shooting them more because their guns are so good and they have a decent sized health pool

Using season 3 as a comparison is dumb because it's an entirely different game mode that didn't work. The only comparison is that pike is like LH1 at the start of season 3 where it is overcorrected and too oppressive will take 2 weeks to nerf and then will be left in a worse state than other options.

[oblique nacelle]

My matchmaking has been messed up for a long time, like I’m actively in a ranked match with stacked teams all with 12,000+ ranked poinys and my team has 2 3,000 players what is happening to this game

[verbal bane]

Embark really has to do something about quitters ruining matches.

I have tried playing Power Shift, Quick Cash, and World Tour today, and all three times members of my team have quit, leaving me almost solo.

Please, please please punish quitters.

[jagged cedar]

Preach 🗣️

[waxen citrus]

Please add HUD boundaries so we can center our HUDs on Ultrawide

[signal basin]

wich weapon ? the one they can us after being one or two shot ?

[delicate basin]

Just quit as well. Takes 10 seconds to find a new match

[boreal anchor]

telling this since S2 nerf defib (previous nerf was not enough and imo it was a buff) = more variation in builds, more lights , more heavies, more fun, no more infinite zombie ressing , more fun. EM2 last season, 500+ hours. Just do it already ^^

[tough sapphire]

Honestly this is just sad. I mean you look around skins, you see skins clipping into each others, new skins are just copy paste of ancient ones, when they nerf they just destroy weapons or object or specs. And now they add a new maps that is just a copy past of other maps and add no other gadgets..

I mean last season the kyoto map was big but very good and pretty. The really bad thing about last season is how you handle Ranked. You said you took ranked away to change it (you added just minor changes that are good but minor)

And now they destroy a specialisation because ... Idk why ? We just are good at using it ? And then tomorow or next week they will just nerf the current meta and that is it. The only new content for this season (a part for skins) is three new (pike looks a bit like LH1 ...) weapons ... Like Emabrk this game can be good, the way I see what you are doing is like half finished homework ... Its not good. Honestly i dont know what you need to do to make new players stay (Im pretty that right now the people playing are the same who played season 1 or even OB...

And no Devs or CM will ever read this thread or take actual good feedback from this thread (Like for Riot Shield)...

[ember tusk]

The current cl40 meta is so insane how disgusting it is. Atleast make the anti explosive turret op then

[brittle obsidian]

nerfing fib wouldn't lead to more build variety because heavy and medium have very few unique gadgets, which should be addressed in the next season. medium has net LOST a gadget over the updates with the removal of scanning. the fact they opt for adding new insanely op weapons instead of gadgets when they make up 60% of a loadout kinda sucks, but weapons get more player retention so I can't blame them too much

[glass fjord]

nerf charge and slam. how is it still the same as day 1. holy fucking crutch. cl40 is way overtuned... it wasn't even bad before. hitreg this season is somehow worse than last season.

@finite galleon FR. And find me 10 complaints about mesh shield anywhere in this entire discord. No one was mad about it, except maybe in the betas when it had like 1200 hp and two heavies on a team were invincible. Removing quick melee while deployed was necessary, but I wouldnt really call that a nerf. I just dont understand what the dev's are looking at for these balancing choices, because I can't for the life of me figure them out.

[hasty cliff]

i mean it looks like theyre working on riot shield considering it got a buff recently 🤷‍♂️

[sonic wigeon]

lol the meta is aids

[hybrid pike]

I really like the current state of the game. Thanks embark!

[orchid osprey]

Devs, let me wear Metro Drifter boots with the ninja hakama lower body from last battlepass. I want to cook

[pseudo leaf]

can you guys check the anti cheat it stopped working i guess

[finite galleon]

charge n slam hasn't been nerfed since release but mesh shield got like 6 nerfs, quite the weird direction with balance

[proud thistle]

cant launch the game

[normal oasis]

Does anyone know why lights have a blue glow that follows them when running dash

[tawny tinsel]

as a level 19 i always go against level 60s is this normal ???

[wraith orchid]

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

[broken geyser]

How does 4th overall in the tournament lead to a reduction in points. In season 2 that awarded you. It's so insanely difficult to rank up especially as a solo q

[teal minnow]

Fix the damn sword exploit

[halcyon depot]

I wonder if the people who say "CL-40 is a no-skill weapon, nerf it" are stupid.

I used CL-40 until just before level 6, but I don't use it much even after this season's strengthening.

"CL-40 is only strong in certain situations, and there are many situations where you can't shoot it, so it's a flawed weapon."

And, I should add that at long distances, it's more of a "bombardment" with a ballistic trajectory than a shot.

Try to hit the target with one shot if you can. The bullet speed is slow.

The people who are complaining are the idiots who rush in with no skills.

The most powerful weapon in medium right now is the PIKE.
Of course, it's a weapon that aims the bullets straight at the enemy like other guns,
but the firepower that can be used to kill approaching enemies just by firing from the hip is insane.

[rapid stream]

Theres no sword exploits

[jagged totem]

PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD IN THIS WORLD, FIX THE LAG AND CRASHING ISSUES. CANT EVEN LOAD INTO THE GAME NOW BECAUSE IT JUST CRASHES ANYTIME I TRY TO. IM RUNNING I5-13400 WITH 32 GB RAM AND 1 TB SSD, I DONT SEE WHY THERE SHOULD BE ANY ISSUES

[frank gull]

What game? comments like this & #👂┇game-feedback message make me just face palm.

The Finals primary Tool in combat is your specialization, just about every single one can help stop a kill, or help you get one...
Why shouldn't Gadgets have utility in a gunfight?
Set a virtual reality...

Nintendo has like 10 games & competes with Xbox & PlayStation, & probably steam.
Splatoon is a fun game, Mario party is a fun game, MK8 IS A FUN GAME,

God forbid FPS games try to evolve.
I had a friend that was goted at Mario Super Bros, but got mad when it turned into Mario 3D world said "I'm not touching it" like I get it's different, but it's not that deep it's a game.

Battlefield was probably NEVER going to be E-Sport, but you're only lying to yourself if you're saying playing Objective against Time was some of the most three dimensional gameplay FPS had until battle Royales were released.
Embark did an amazing job forcing the chaos to be restricted around time, & objective.

I understand wanting a realistic simulator I've played GTA.
CS:GO is probably the golden standard of FPS logic, but that doesn't mean every game has to turn into escape from tarkov because of a game that came out 20 years ago.
Tarkov is NEVER going to be a E-Sport, CoD just focused on TTK & reflex it worked, P.U.B.G created a whole new MODE & it worked, Apex introduced revives & left P.U.B.G in the past along with H1Z1.
LOL & DOTA are some of the most arcade looking games I've seen & last time I checked they're having some of the BIGGEST prizes for E-Sport.

Embark had some of the most creative ways to use Utility, & I hope they stop taking a CoD approach for balance. Those games had 40 guns to pick from & only 5 were reliable & 3 were meta... Probably 2 ARs & a SMG... the SMG probably got swapped for a shot gun or a sniper depending on the season.

Just about every gun used to be reliable when fighting against meta...
Taking away utility from specialization, & gadgets was just a step in the wrong direction.
These TTK were probably balanced around utility like Mesh, Dome, Heal B. Defib.

I don't think *L players have enough time to practice combos to elevate player potential. Just because *L can 3 v 1 doesn't mean it should be able to easily.

I think the BIGGEST issues new players face is simply playing the clock incorrectly.
None of the quick play modes will give you the proper awareness on the objective you need.
It'll just teach you map awareness & how to use each tool in the game.

W.T. is ok practice but completely taking out any S.W. penalty will teach players to over-evaluate their position and misplay time.

Side note: @crystal storm
Why in the world was mesh, dome, Heal B., Defib. Nerfed so hard when 1 class already had the perfect counter?
That's such a L take.
Are you saying glitch grenades should have never been in the game because they're a perfect counter?
Are you saying good grenades shouldn't be in the game because they force player to move from point A to Point B in order to land shots? (Same logic as dodging grenades)
It sounds like you're saying gadgets shouldn't have utility, & this game should just be bare bones...

[verbal bane]

This is definitely the smoothest brain response possible.

An endless cycle of dipstains who think they are losing, so they quit to try and join another match where other players can carry them to a win, endlessly quitting and rejoining because they lack the skills to progress.

[ebon yacht]

Bug:

My friends were playing in the map Monaco and they were in the cave where the cashbox spawns and one explosion pushed my teammate through the wall.

[keen lily]

I get matchmaked with the most useless piece of shit player who goes 2/8, has 25k rating less in the team and I get minus elo for that? wtf is this?

[daring fossil]

bro Embark, you blow a hole in the wall and half the building collapses now

[civic hill]

HI My friend and I would have 2/3 ideas to propose for The Finals: The first is a healing turret that heals 5 to 10 hp per second. this could be a medium or heavy skill The second idea concerns mines that work like breach charges but instead of exploding they attract everything within their range of action, this concerns cashouts, walls, characters and so on... There are 2 types of this mine: the first I have already illustrated to you, the second, instead of attracting objects to itself, repels them. Both mines will not do any damage upon activation unless the player (for example) is lured along with an explosive canister, which would cause an explosion that would kill him instantly. These leads would be perfect for medium but would also work well for light. Thank you for your attention, we are grateful that you have read our ideas and we hope that you contact us as soon as possible. Here are our The Finals player IDs in case you need them: B_HUNTER#5085 STEALTHYSHOTGUN#0365 Thanks again Hunter & Stealthy

[bold silo]

SHIT IS BROKEN, THEY NEED TO MAKE YOU EARN POINTS PROPORTIONAL TO YOUR DMG, OBJECTIVE ETC, THIS WAY YOU JUST SPAM PLAY TO CLIMB

THE GUYS THAT MADE THIS POINT SYSTEM WHERE UNLUCKY WHILE THINKING LOL

[dull oyster]

I'll tell you more - had one game where even THIRD place will lose you points, even if only 63, its just bullshit

[thin heart]

pretty pretty please can you make the demat right click be more forgiving when it comes to aiming, like if i’m aiming at a normal block of the map (not dematerialized) and there’s a dematerialized square next to it and i press right click, could u materialize that square? 🙏

[boreal sentinel]

Yall should just remove the fucking sniper in this game. Its not suitable for this type of genre. Nobody likes instant death as much as nobody liked getting nuked. But ofcourse. Your extreme love for lights is just too cringe at this point.

[dusty ferry]

cl40 good

[sonic wigeon]

cheaters r back gg

[keen abyss]

What exploit ?

[brittle obsidian]

literally how can you complain about light sniper when medium has a better version of the same thing

[ionic rampart]

their extreme love for lights??????? dawg have you tried playing light?

[jolly pawn]

get gud

[delicate basin]

Don't play casual then

[unique nimbus]

Please make new dematerialiser consitent. So annoying you can move a tile from further away than you can put it back.

[high wing]

Holy finals, the AMA sucked so much, they answered no questions of value at all

[restive crow]

Guys why is noone talking about 3 M stack defib fk up?

[mossy otter]

add CL40 and then we have a discussion + and heal

[dark hull]

As of the CL40 thing, it may help to make such weapons more unwieldy instead of messing with damage 🤷.

(Slower aim, reload affected my movement and suppressive fire)
Powerful weapons should be powerful, but have physical limits.

[burnt notch]

I realized after I sent it 🫠

[earnest crane]

(we need this fore M)

[uneven dagger]

I FEEL THE NEED TO TEXT IN CAPITAL LETTERS ONLY BECAUSE I THINK THEYLL MAKE ME SEEM LOUDER AND MORE IMPORTANT

[vapid lion]

For the CL40 make the projectiles only explode after traveling a certain distance. So up close they only take direct hit dmg

[dim root]

wall jumping like in Apex would be fire

[ionic tusk]

S4 starts. Embark: "Letus make all the new items ridiculusly op and buff the cl-40 like crazy so everyone will hate the game and will whant to kill them selves because we have no working anti-cheat and cheaters infest every lobby."

[jagged vector]

Yea it’s mad annoying

[wraith orchid]

clown. tell me your bad without tellin me

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

[lethal temple]

.
the game is quite balanced but

L needs 1 life bar +
and H 1 life bar -

.

[tulip flume]

matchmaking desperately needs to take rank into account more than match time. just got put up against balise's triple stack and my team is all gold. we stood absolutely zero chance

[teal minnow]

I'll post clips after work

[nocturne skiff]

CL40 is to strong

[bold silo]

SNIPER is most useless weapon by far, by farrrrr, if you manage to get killed by sniper, enemy is much much better player than you!!! Skill issue

Bow is next most useless , Sword is useless as well, 3 worst weapons in the whole game, nothing comes close. So usless if you get any of them in ranked match there is 90% chance you are losing a game(I am sure if we had access to stats I would be right, probably devs also don't look at them by the current balance state of the game). For all of you complaining about any of these weapons you should really consider improving your minimum skills and tactics.

[hazy nest]

You're damn right

[verbal breach]

Here is a list of changes that might make the dual blades viable:

-Damage Combo to 110, 120, 80 | Allows for kill combos with a quick melee

-Deflected Bullets can crit (uses crit mod from the original weapon) | raises skill ceiling

-widen the deflect cone slightly

-blocks 33.3% of explosion damage | we need something against grenade launchers, ok

Please Embark 🙏

[blazing haven]

cl40 should only do damage to lights (instant death for all lights whenever it is fired)

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[surreal meadow]

**EMBARK!!

DROP 5v5 CASH

AND MY WALLET IS YOURS!!! Day 26/100 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥**

[charred ivy]

Cant wait to farm all these absolutely trash tier players who are currently being boosted by the CL40 being as broken as it is

[dull moth]

Add nuke mode pls.

[cold bolt]

revert mesh change or at least significantly reduce the time to use it again, it went from a strong and meta competitive ability to a throw pick in one patch

[vague birch]

APS Turrets doesn´t counter the CL-40. Just had a Game in the Final against 2 mids with CL-40 and we had 2 APS Turrets. They killed the APS Turrets with the grenade Launchers and us directly with our turrets. Is this intended? I thought APS should negates explosives of that kind?

[signal basin]

• Reverse XP nerf
• Buff Light survability
• Nerf CL40
• Nerf DEAGLE
• Nerf Pike
• Add a grenade icon

in a simple way, BALANCE YOUR GAME

[void blade]

Based.

[jagged cedar]

Preach 🗣️

[visual bronze]

this one

[restive scaffold]

preach duck man

[zinc haven]

Reddit AMA synopsis:

[sullen plank]

NERF CL40 PLSS😭😭😭😭

[autumn linden]

BUFF THE CL-40 AND MY CASH IS YOURS

[still spruce]

WHY is the CL-40 STILL not nerfed

[honest island]

Where is the Halloween event? There won't be any??? 🎃 🎃 🎃

[quick coyote]

When you crash it shouldn’t make you lose progress or rewards

[rare flicker]

There needs to be an option to hide cosmetics. There are a lot of cosmetics. And most of them will never be used by a sizable number of people. (As in some people will use them and some never will.) I would like to be able to hide the things I don't like so that they arent clogging my inventory. Especially with the number of skins being put out.

[stark vigil]

WHY in the class maker the akm is 36 bullets but in game only 32 ? give my boi akm 4 more bullet

[uneven dagger]

cl40 kinda sucks can you guys buff it, this guy below gets it

[dull oyster]

Make Cl-40 have 10 grenade mag, and it should be mag - not reload one by one

[cyan zodiac]

I think the RS reward for ranked shouldn't change as you progress sometimes i start and if i win i get 1500RS but when i do win i only get 900RS

[gilded fox]

Just nerf this damn CL-40 already. I don't know who thought it was a great idea to buff this brainrot weapon.

[woven flame]

guys the CL-40 is kinda weak

[earnest crane]

wall run due to beeing the titan fall univer solddve been her form the beginning due to me seeing the apex modding coomunity doin wall runn for the game and it does not hurt it

[tropic root]

Yeah, it should be removed tbh.
It should be removed after all the Medium who uses it bought the new skin.

[dim root]

I mean with full out wall running the game would become too much of a movement shooter
having skill expression in wall jumping tho is something good

[vernal pine]

Imagine brain rot players that didn’t know about the aps existence

[broken herald]

nerf cl and pike damage

[frank gull]

LLL used to be viable, but I have no idea why *L received a nerf when everyone was losing with it.
If anything it just needed a buff in specialization
The only reason it wouldn't be as viable S4 is because of the Cl-40
Plus nobody is really running Heal B. & Mesh which were probably the EASIEST for *L to counter.
MMM is just the easiest to coordinate.
Give heavy a mobility gadget & that'll probably be the only stack. Because MOBILITY is HUGE in any FPS.
If you have enough awareness you can pull off HHH.

The meta should be HML.
Focusing on triple stack is pointless.
The focus should be how can theses 3 contestants combo, & squad wipe.
Ignoring*L mobility, Nerfing M support, & removingH Defense doesn't make sense when looking at the big picture. I.M.O

[glacial marten]

i've noticed that the cashout capturing sound sometimes just straight up does not come through until its basically too late. idk what causes this issue but its ruining matches for me and my friends.

[waxen citrus]

Please add HUD boundaries so we can center our HUDs on Ultrawide

[tawdry bramble]

med has cl40 (pump action 4 shots), heavy has gl32 (semi auto with x6 shots), light needs a thumper! (single fire grenade launcher with 1 shot with a quick reload)

[teal minnow]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1291116945789161482

[last mirage]

I think light players should just have a passive counter to shields more than an active counter that requires you to take a gadget slot. make the damage from there weapons do something like 1.5 times damage against player made defenses and they wouldn't complain much in terms of feeling useless against M&H combos. the finals is more like games like TF2 and Overwatch in terms of balancing. and those types of games are balanced based off of fighting games where players have archetypes (like zoners, grapplers, all rounders, rushdown, stance characters, etc.) lights can become the archetypes of being a keep away zoner/rushdown/unorthodox/glass cannon character. medium being an all rounder/stance/trap zoner/footsie character. heavy being is just a grappler/big body/trap zoner/unorthodox character. with season 4s update, medium can now be a zoner character as well as being a stance and or footsie character. which is why people are a bit angry about pike and the cl40, since it takes away aspects of what make light good. heavy has now morphed into not being an effective grappler character, however they made him into a all rounder character. which is why some people feel cheated when they face up against a heavy with ranged weapons and the charge n slam. light now has a more effective way to deal damage as a rushdown character, however they still don't have the health to sustain themselves when they get caught out. And its not that lights gadgets suck but because of how he is designed with his architypes working together. cloak & stun gun had to be nerfed because of how rushdown worked really well with the unorthodox playstyle back in S2. yet even when they fixed out the issues with the class by nerfing that unorthodox playstyle into the ground, to this day the class cant be used in competitive because of the architypes the class is meant to represent. they can only play keep away & rushdown, something completely opposite in the standard cashout gamemode about defending.

[void blade]

Horrible balancing aside, Ranked system is horrendous for players like me who dont have skilled friends to play with. As a solo player im constantly having my rank brought far down by teamates that make poor decisions, which is where i introduce the idea of the solo player crutch: if a player goes into a match without a duo or trio, their losses should be influenced more so by their performance score (combat+support+ objective score). A score on the higher end compared to their teamates could mitigate a loss or boost the rewards from a win, making solo ranked a more viable option. We should NOT be punished by our teamates lack of competence.

[fringe hatch]

Two words: nerf CL-40

[visual bronze]

nerf cl 40 also make ranked more forgiving crazy you have to place top 3 in GOLD to get any points

[worn horizon]

i dont know if anyone mentioned this but nerf the cl40

[solid sinew]

no you might be the first one

[final solar]

the fact that pike and cl are still not nerfed is wild (glitchmine ass well)

[storm siren]

Just buff aps to block 6 rather then 3 and keep the cl40 the way it is.
Everyone needs to learn to adapt and stop bitching and moaning for nerfs

[maiden ember]

So everyone needs to play M to counter cl40 ? Cl40 needs a nerf otherwise other classes have no counter

[burnt notch]

Even if u finish in the same place in the tournament twice it’ll be different depending on how much cash you deposited, as well as your individual player scores (combat, support, objective). There’s also a difficulty system that probably also has an effect on RS gain

[stark pilot]

The worst thinking about balance is " The weapon is easy to use need to be more more weak than high skill weapon. "
CL40 is easy to use but it' s definitely NOT a "OP" weapon in this game.
Learn how to against CL40 and learn how to counter every different weapon it is all noob need to do because CL40 is definitely a noob killer.
You can stand high to easy against it, you can quick put APS and fight with them with no risk, you can just jump to he's face and make DPS check.
Use you dash dodge, use shield block, have range weapon make more distance to shoot them, keep move and shoot to take less explosive damage.
This weapon has high TTK and need to predict, can't fight the people stand high and can't shoot someone jumping into sky easily.
That have a lot of disadvantage to counter, if you don't just peek them and against continuously in the same way, it would not a big problem in this game, I'm sure.
The most easily vertical combat can easily make CL40 weaker them most of weapon.
If a weapon only can do one easy thing. that one need to be powerful. That is great balance need to do.
PLEASE, Embark don't just trust those noob saying and ruin this game again and again.
I'm tired to only play AR or shotgun or LMG in high rank, there are so many different and featural weapon, but only 10 weapon playable in this game.
FMAS is strong a lot of time and nobody mention, that is weird. Maybe that say it's skill issue, but aim skill can be practice but weapon damage don't.
Skill let you can do more thing and win more games, but it's shouldn't dominate the weapon strong or not.
I'm a sword play since S1, but choose meta weapon still more and more easier to win or kill or do something in every game.
A lot of noob don't want learn anything and just complain and complain in this channel.
Someone don't want any balance in this game, that just kill some weapon they don't want combating.
Those noobs probably would complain WHY flamethrower can easily kill them with no skill.

[uneven dagger]

CL40 is perfectly balanced, thanks for your hard work embark 😊

[verbal bane]

Would love a combiation of mohawk haircut options

[brittle obsidian]

this except unironic. the weapon stomps noobs because its not a cod slop automatic gun. the thing is just barely usable against people with brains.

[orchid abyss]

**SEASON 4: A Critical Review **

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1funpup/season_4_a_critical_review/

[tepid grove]

Sniper feels bad to play for 2 main reasons. First is that the rechambering animation does not match the rechambering speed, making it really hard to consistently time your shots. The second is more glaring where if you shoot during the last 0.1 seconds of rechambering, it will "preload" a shot and then fire the shot for you after the rechambering is done. With these 2 bugs, the sniper is very unfun to play. This reddit post shows the issue 7 months ago, and it is still not fixed to this day. https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1be0y1k/video_of_the_finals_delayed_sniper_shots_annoying/ (will need your audio high to hear the click delay)

[wooden tendon]

yall who say cl40 doesnt need a change def uses the gun

[solar timber]

Agreed as a new player using it. I've been demolished by bows, knives, swords, and literally everything that ISN'T a gun when I encounter a player that understands movement, positioning, and verticality.

[woven needle]

Has there been suggestions for an updated private match UI, allowing for team customisations for example (private matches)

[magic stratus]

These are some of the worst suggestions I've seen, no offense.
Edit: I just got to your take on the reshaper bro what

[random lagoon]

It would be cool if you could cycle the music from the different seasons, because I loved both s1 and s2 soundtracks

[royal herald]

NERF CL40

[violet pike]

Buff CL40 and make CL40 One-Hit

[maiden wraith]

BAN CL40

[meager wagon]

i say this in the nicest way i possibly can:

WHOEVER BUFFED THE CL NEEDS TO GET THEIR BRAIN CHECKED

this is not normally

[gloomy lark]

NERF THE FUCKING LIGHT SWORD YOU BAFOONS

[wintry patio]

yo, I might get called out for this one... but the new ranking system is quiet harsh, espesially for solo players like me... played few games placed well, than just with one game everything is gone... feels really tought

[visual bronze]

nerf cl 40. make ranked more fogiving having to hit top 3 (i am gold 3) just to get points in gold is stupid there are way to many people who belong in a higher rank that are in gold i have seen so many people who have diamond fcars and or charms from s2 even i was s2 diamond your ranked system needs rebalenceing

[elder folio]

That has no affect, it shows what you get during the tournament staging screens and it never changes no matter what. Also my duo and I have the exact same rs due to only playing together and yet we perform different

[digital dome]

I’d love a toggle-mute option for voicechat. Streaming is a pain since I don’t have a pedal for push to talk. Toggling would be huge for quality of life when switching between talking to chat, and talking to people in game

[rough storm]

-Buff CL40 to make it nuclear
-Double the damage on Pike + no recoil
-Make sword-wielders invincible AND invisible
-Nerf Mesh-shield so you can only use it once a day.

And all this should be done within 70 bsns days as of today!

[obtuse bolt]

with the cl returned to its former glory and being the current meta the aps needs returned to its original state as well. (im very happy about the cl being fixed, it was functionally useless when it was nerfed) also extremely disappointed we STILL dont have our ranked and world tour rewards from last season.

[wheat egret]

pleease nerf this cl-40..... the game is unplayable, spamming non stop

[icy falcon]

DAY 2 EMBARK YOU COWARDS MAKE THE SPEAR THROWABLE AND COME OUT WITH A SPARTAN SKIN

[forest veldt]

Just had a powershift game where a dude was invisible the whole game. no one on my team could see him, so he just ran around getting free kills the whole game. Super fun lol

[sharp estuary]

Please devs, PLEASE BUFF DUAL BLADES OR SOMETHING

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[indigo pagoda]

Add an ospuze sledge skin that's just a can of ospuze on the end of a staff

[signal basin]

I hope you gonna resert all the ranked for this stupid CL40 meta

[elder iron]

It seems that the dual blades equip animation is a bit bugged. It only plays the Standard Show equip after the use of gadgets that don’t use the tablet. Gadgets such as the turret or pad play the last swing animation that was done (first two swipes, second swipes, or last swipe). I believe the twirl inspect animation is also bugged, as it is very inconsistent on when it plays.

[ember abyss]

I have a full CL-40 lobby two games in a row its crazy

[quick coyote]

Zero effort, cold hands. What was Embark smoking when buffing the CL 40 to this state. Makes me think whoever made this change is clueless about how to balance a shooter. Complete 180 from the core game balancing during beta/season 1.

[spice briar]

it needs to be buffed 😦 its too weak

[somber gyro]

Mfw embark intentionally ignore players giving feedback about the cl-40

[verbal bane]

The best way to counter CL-40 is by buffing EPS turret capacity to 12 shots

[stone salmon]

dear too the cosmetic maker for the finals how much money would it take for my team's jersey to be a cosmetic for me and one of my teammates $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[hazy shore]

revert dash cooldown nerf

[daring fossil]

they need to do something with the APS, it's fucking useless as it is and it seems clear Embark want's the CL40 to be as easy to use and annoying as possible, at least make the APS worth taking. It's almost as useless as the dome shield now (and I don't even play heavy)

@fleet quiver as someone who has been maining the DB since they ruined the LH1, I wouldn't want this. I do however want them to remove the delay between shots like it used to be. Now with the spread and range nerfs the DB got in season 1, it needs something else. The fraction of a second increase in reload speed did nothing for it.

@quaint forge bro the CL40 was fucking toxic before they buffed it, are you on crack?

[finite galleon]

Really gonna force people to play 2 weeks of pike and cl40s infesting every lobby, ok cool

[uneven rampart]

Give me this skin for all weapons

[fleet quiver]

petition to make the double barrel a one shot weapon like in doom eternal, where it shoots both its shells in one click

[naive yarrow]

nerf cl-40

[clear trout]

buff cl40 on jod

[quaint forge]

Guys can you stop talking about the cl40 it’s so annoying seeing that shit feedback here, propose ideas that are constructive to the game and not toxic come on, you guys just mad you can’t play against a gun that can be playable now. There are other guns than just meta my dudes

[elder fox]

wats up with the performance ;/

[keen lily]

the most dogshit meta you have ever created Embark, thank you

[sand parcel]

buildings falling apart is the cause

[high frost]

your game keeps crashing lol#
when people destroy buildings to a high extent

[chilly wigeon]

Game please we are 4 season in. Let me leave the match if my whole team decide to leave. why do I have to be punished too

[wooden summit]

To the dev or devs responsible for cl-40 you need to nerf the shit and make it way more fuckin realistic It should do the same amount of damage to the user and the enemy it's a fucking grenade lobber irl that shit would only be used long range you clods! Like shit I get it's a game but don't be fucking stupid

[last mirage]

• you need to invest in a gadget for only one particular class to counter another. (it is the same argument used with dome shields and glitch grenades. yet shields were nerfed anyways because it affected every class)
• dash can be predicted and can easily be countered by users with the CL40. it's a two-shot semi auto weapon that benefits from splash damage (you can shoot after they dashed, its a burst damage weapon)
• the weapon has no damage falloff, which effectively makes medium a zoner class.
• mesh shields have a cooldown timer for reopening the shield, dome shield lasts for 6 seconds. they are not a problem for a CL40 user playing zoner
• automatic weapons can't move and shoot at the same time. long-range weapons can't hard counter a CL40 because they also have range damaged. short-range weapons have to rush the cl40 user down to work in their area of influence. that can be countered by running away and shooting. even if you catch up to them with melee, they can still attack without taking much splash damage because of them running and shooting
• you can shoot while running
• cl40 can't reach players when there is a height disadvantage. However, the jump pad and zipline exist to cover up that weakness by being able to reposition yourself
• splash damage isn't hard to predict and direct hits aren't the deciding factor for damage
• you can destroy ziplines and mines easily. This can be used to do damage/stall.
• splash damage works really well for players that bundle up together, making it good against defenses.

I ran cl40 in back in beta. even in S3 the CL40 was still good against lights. the buff only affected heavy by making the gun actually kill him within 4 shots. now its viable for people to use now in combat. either you tune it so that its more focused on hitting the person to do damage, or you have damage falloff from where the bullet was fired (around medium-range falloff.) either way, it stops the cl40 from making medium a zoner/footsie character.

[tepid summit]

cl40 is fine, also heavy deagle running animations break sometimes and it looks hilarious

[vale acorn]

I feel like lights should get wall jumps as a passive skill. I always saw mediums possessing wall peek leans and going prone and heavies get a tactical roll

[patent girder]

We would need more buttons tho although this would be cool

[opal ocean]

I love the CL40 changes. Diversity of play styles is the strength of this game. It would be a shame if it was nerfed

[fleet swallow]

add an avoid list and actually nerf the model and the pike, it's crazy how they haven't gotten nerfs yet

[long arrow]

rewwork of rr win/loose its not logik to be 4th/8 in ranked because all team have 20k coins , just winning with less than 1k coin difference , return us event in game & more cash in overtime box , ranked have actually no sens , we should win only with luck its not logik

[slate citrus]

can a mod or dev pls help, consistently having an issue with the party system

[undone dagger]

delete the cl40 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥
(give it more self inflicted damage)

[umbral anchor]

Can we give light sledgehammer plssss

[upper citrus]

Buff dash

[indigo pagoda]

CL40 was useless as it was before it was buffed, now it's reasonable and you just play light (the thing the gun counters) and now you're upset you're needing to think about positioning

[icy falcon]

MELEE IN GENERAL NEEDS A REWORK. BUT THE SPEAR SHOULD BE THROWABLE

[clever hawk]

Stomping noobs is disastrous for the health of a game. Gimmick weapons like CL40, melee, and MGL simply cannot be remotely viable at a high level without ruining gameplay for the vast majority. See Junkrat etc.

The only solution is greatly increasing their complexity, which is unlikely to be seen as worthwhile by the devs. So it’s best to leave them underpowered.

[rigid oxide]

Embark, I’m going to repeat this once a day until you notice

If you want to improve the amount of purchases in the store, make it easy for players to gift bundles to their friends

I’m way more likely to buy my friend the fork and knives so that he can match my mega spoon when we plan than I am to buy it for myself (I can’t play both at once anyway)

Generosity feels better than indulging, and not all of us can afford what we want but we might have a friend who can (or vice versa we may want to gift things because our friend can’t afford it but I can)

[fleet heron]

cl 40

[neat yoke]

cl 40

[night glen]

season after season.. STUN is still the worst thing in this game

[icy marsh]

Did the season 3 emerald rewards get handed out yet?!?!

[quick coyote]

next week

[daring fossil]

the CL40 was busted and lame, then they nerfed it. Now it's better than it was when it was busted and lame previously. I don't only play light. CL40 ruined most of season 2. It was only useless to people who couldn't aim, now they are catering to those people who can't aim.

[visual bronze]

nerf cl-40

[zealous mural]

Reverse the CL-40 changes. It completely deletes the fun from the game, this is literally brain dmg gun💀

[lost forge]

Pike needs a rework it straight counters light players. RIP light class

[quick coyote]

Zero effort tournament win. 2x CL 40. Completely broken meta. Unplayable.

[wooden summit]

THANK YOU, it's straight up a literal crutch for those who can't aim and if you can't aim then you should fuckin learn how to instead of relying on a gun that doesn't need the skills to use it, let alone u can just shoot on and on and on with it.

[uneven dagger]

lower cl40 splash damage and increase its direct hit damage by 75%

or

revert it to its pre buff state and increase reload and rack speed

[noble solar]

How come I can't post content on videos-content page?

[undone dagger]

Give CL40 more self inflicted damage

[quick coyote]

Embark pls nerf cl40 or buff aps at least

[hazy skiff]

Please give the 93r a RDS. Makes no sense that it doesnt have one

[sonic spoke]

Yes. Should be same as RPG. It is just silly, and the damage radius bump was too.

[wraith sinew]

Dual deagles are ridiculous needs a nerf asap

[versed latch]

Bring Kbm back on console
Nerf pike hard
Nerf Dual pistols a little
Nerf cl40 a good amount
Rework riot shield
Add grenade indicators or maybe ability/gadget to see them and maybe electronics

[torn steppe]

I love the new ELO MMR system thanks to the devs for finally making it transparent to the user this is the best system i have seen so far ❤️

[hexed night]

Anyone else encounter cheaters every match? It’s annoying

[opaque glade]

PLEASE make the S3 Engimo set a SET and drop CNS shoes to make the CNS clothes a SET!!! PLEASE EMBARK

[ancient pagoda]

i personally think spawns need a little more work, specifically in modes like quick cash

there is no reason that my team should spawn a mile away after a wipe, giving us zero chance to make it back to the cashout before it's stolen and claimed
if we spawned like half the distance closer you could create a more competitive environment by giving the wiped team just enough time to engage and potentially steal right before it's claimed

and on a sidenote slightly buff the revolver why does two shots leave a light on a sliver and not kill them outright

[high frost]

have you tried the do nothing update?

[woven needle]

great update

[cerulean flower]

Please add a "Select wrist" for the arm accessories

[queen bane]

with the recent CL40 buff. Remove the APS health lose on ammo protection

[cloud jungle]

APS shouldn't break, it should just have like a short 5 second cooldown after 3 shots or something

[wooden summit]

Degal damage is wonderful but it doesn't hold true to its description, shouldn't be able to snipe with em instead of a V dispersion pattern an X would be much more appropriate

[wooden shuttle]

Or increase damage drop off and then make the hipfire more accurate

[neat yoke]

not the worst idea

[uneven dagger]

stealth revert the cl40 and if you notice people still complaining then buff it again and keep it that way

[jagged wasp]

bro the cl40 is just a shame

[copper remnant]

nerf pike, buff cl-40, buff aps, buff dual deagles hip fire

[gritty owl]

why does rocket launcher do massive self damage, but cl40 does not? if you must, nerf rocket launcher damage, remove the self damage multiplier, give it two charges and make it deal massive structural damage. also, give heavy 2 c4 charges

[ivory ermine]

Honestly in a 1v1, if someone drops an aps the guy with cl literally has to run and get gunned in the back or waste an entire clip to get rid of the aps. As someone who uses both the cl and aps i think they need to rework how aps does things. Maybe a 180 cone arc from where aps will block all incoming projectiles and takes no chip damage from shooting them down. This way you have a counter to cl and also a way cl can be viable in 1v1 situations

[remote verge]

kill cl40

[still marsh]

so why did cl40 need a buff ?

[keen heath]

Im surprised we didn't get any balancing kinda not very good since the Akimbo and Pike are dominating

[glacial knot]

Incease APS health depend to CL40 damage, you wont need to nerf cl40, i tried it some day already and it works fine using APS. Soon you see someone has cl40 in his hands you drop aps and start shooting bye bye cl40. I m platin btw . When you are protecting cash out you drop also aps where you are and drop turret.

[digital mulch]

I think this is the best option, tbh. Gives better reasoning to pull APS in more situations.

[glacial cloud]

There needs to be a steep punishment for leaving games. 30 min lockout or something.

[wheat aspen]

kill cl40, unskilled cod player weapon

[abstract kraken]

"weekly updates" is just weekly cosmetics

[crimson merlin]

Please roll back LH1 RPM back to 300 if damage is staying at 48
Or roll back LH1 damage back to 52

[low galleon]

Money is an advantage poor people can't have... Please fix game FPS performance

[brave copper]

The cl-40 buff is so extreme. I feel like there was no consideration for all the other damage caused by chain reactions when Embarks set the cl-40 base damage to the absolute limit of break points.

Mines, unexploded frags, and barrels add just enough damage to push the damage beyond what I think was intended. Not to mention just being slightly damaged by a bullet.

I don't think any grenade launcher needs to be even close to META, anyways. They should be tuned for support/utility, imo.

[tawny oriole]

This is a good idea, i hope the devs impliment it. And people quickly come here to the discord Channel crying and want to nerf something instead of using their brains and think about how to counter something.

[wooden shuttle]

The issue isnt only the buff, its the meta it created its always been busted but it wasnt as annoying cause not everyone and their grandpa was using it (also for everyone saying buff the APS 🤓 then what tf is heavy and light supposed to do and not everyone wants to have to drop an aps just to fucking have a chance noor use a util slot)

[umbral swift]

Giant mascot Nama Tama outfit player skin please

[open tusk]

Dagger is now almost unusable because holding makes you slower but more importantly it takes pretty long to charge a secondary hit and if you release 1mili second too early your swing is canceled that's very very very frustrating. I wish it was possible to click or hold like with the throwing knives we have the choice and that's great. So why not the dagger ? thank you

[stuck edge]

Buff CL, nerf APS

[queen bane]

no. it should be as it was in early S2

[uneven dagger]

if power shift is where its primarily an issue then I do think an APS buff is in order but for general gameplay maybe a few tweaks to the cl40 to make it a little less versatile without touching its damage output, if they do revert the damage id at least like some further versatility to make it less of a reloadfest just to get one kill

[wheat egret]

please remove the hangin plateform, it's awful and unbalance

[errant sigil]

There should be a best play at the end of the game I think!

[blissful void]

I just got to say thank you man to the Devs. You guys took feedback and listened and as a committed member of the community I really appreciate that. I’ve got, and my team’s got that feeling again where we can’t wait to finish up what we’re doing to play and grind ranked again and it feels good.

Between the cosmetics, the new map, and all of the specialization changes, after playing many hours of both casual and competitive, I welcome these changes. M heal beam nerf is tough - but I will manage lol. The LMGs feel good again on heavy and medium can compete again.

Re: Pike and Dual Pistols and Cl40, I welcome these changes and hope things don’t get changed. Maybe an APS buff. There is a skill gap to using these weapons and a skill gap in countering these weapons that relies heavily on team composition, game sense, and the ability to adjust. Trial in WT and bring your findings to ranked and challenge yourself to get fair playtime before complaining something is “broken”. It’s been only a week and this game is in one of the best states it’s ever been.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, there needs to be more of a balance where specializations and gadgets are stacked as opposed to nerfing it outright. As a single medium the heal beam got hit pretty hard but double heal beam does not feel this change as much. Similarly to double heavy double RPG double bub pre-S4. Please continue to gather the valuable feedback and make this game the best fps of the decade.

[next ginkgo]

It essentially couldn't one-clip a Heavy. Which seems like it was dramatically underpowered. I use the CL-40 and I'd be entirely OK with an APS buff.

[past idol]

Console only cross-play option.

[high frost]

FIX THE FUCKING LIGHT DASH NOT TAKING DMG PROPERLY ARLEADY

[indigo pasture]

I would love to have multiple Crosshair profiles be implemented so I can customize my crosshairs for each individual gun

[hazy shore]

i havent seen this lvl of noob tubing since ooold cod. good job embark

[upper citrus]

i have very bad news about your aim

[thorn kelp]

My message got noticed ❤️

[scarlet tide]

the cashbox can still clip through the floor/road and make the whole match a 1 cashbox only throughout. This has been a bug since forever, can it be fixed please?

It seems to always happen with lights doing some weird movement

[violet matrix]

Delete Cl-40, is so pathetic

[golden helm]

NERF THE FING CL PLZ

[latent sequoia]

Volpie needs more love

[cloud jungle]

Can we seperate "interact and equip weapon" on controller directional binding?
dropping a cashbox when trying to hop on a zipline is getting on my nerves

There's already a seperate "weapon" only binding, we just need an "interact" only binding.

[tame glen]

I just tried to play a rank, an ENTIRE LOBBY couldn't connect. I lost 1200 points--this seems like a very bad mechanic.

[broken herald]

NERF CL 40 MODEL AND PIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[night vortex]

Did they patch the gooboat/airship?

[quick coyote]

NERF CL 40m REVERT DAGGER

Please your are loosing player cuz of CL40. All my friend left 🤷

[woven hawk]

#🌟┇videos-content message

Would truthfully prefer 5v6 or 5v7 over facing true-track turrets. My training has little to no reward in the face of this beast. #humanizeturretspls

[languid dirge]

Please make it so there is no penalty for leaving a game when you don't have a full team. It is utterly ridiculous that every other team based shooter (Overwatch, Valorant, Deadlock, etc.) all have this feature yet almost a year after Beta this still hasn't been implemented to ranked and world tour. I shouldn't need to spell out why playing a 2v3v3v3 isn't fun, and I shouldn't be held hostage by the threat of a suspension for wanting to move onto the next game

[cursive valley]

Can the quest progression for Engimo ranks be fixed plz. It says I have a total of 22,000 experiance and the pants are only 12,000 and nothing is moving

[vestal yacht]

The Pike.

One of the issues of it being so good at close range is the scope. It looks like it's a 1.5x scope but has scope glare and the ability to use irons. One solution to this issue is the increase the magnification of it's scope to be like the SR-28's or a little under it to warrant the glare and to weaken it in CQB. It would certainly make the choice to run sight or irons more meaningful.

[pastel flax]

Really thrilled with the updates. Huge shoutouts to the devs for taking community feedback to heart, and for creating ways for us to voice that feedback. My personal GOTY tbh.

[civic walrus]

so one of our guys got suspended for a code of conduct violation for a week. Does anyone know what constitutes this? he only plays with us so it couldnt be chat and his name is Bert so its not a name report

[violet nest]

People of the finals, I should only need to say this once, Nerf MEDIUM Grenade Launcher. I dont wanna see Gl being abused in ranked lobbies

[sonic spoke]

No issue for me with progression. Try restarting to see it is glitched?
@civic walrus maybe exploiting light melee or reload weapon switch for faster return to firing, or one of the other many exploits out there.

[hard timber]

i wish there was a range where you could test out all the weapon skins to see if youll like them

[hazy shore]

nerf cl40/ buff dash

[tough merlin]

I don't think APS is the answer to the cl40. To begin with in ranked if you go light or heavy you literally don't have it & if you're in a premade that's fine you can have team work and have a medium if you're not then you can play the medium with it? But is it really good game design to semi force one class because of a slightly overtuned weapon? Even if you have a medium if you take the APS and there's no Cl40 you now have a tool that's typically vastly less useful.

This isn't overwatch you can't count switch to count the counters in the middle of ranked.

Aps is great in powershift and even got nerfed because of powershift. Its somewhat decent in TA. but in cashout it's uses are super situational. Great on the floating platforms around seoul.

[paper ivy]

day 232 of begging to categorize makeup/face paint separately from tattoos, I should be able to wear makeup and tattoos come on now

[manic steppe]

Revert Sniper Changes

[waxen citrus]

Please.. Embark.. I feel sick.. The only way to fix me.. the medication

Add.. HUD BOUNDARIES for us ULTRAWIDE PLAYERS so I can CENTER MY HUD...

I only have hours remaining.. Please...

[thick vale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/3nhvSkqbIt

bros asking the real questions

[low prism]

Awesome game, best out right now in my opinion. It's infuriating to play ranked without a designated team, always get matched with someone that gets 0 kills

[cerulean mason]

Day 40 of asking Embark for prop hunt a la finals

[quartz cedar]

Nerf CL-40

[thorny parcel]

Buff cl40 to do old rpg damage. Please don't

[cold bolt]

hey embark if I leave a qp match there's a pretty decent chance I'm not looking to rejoin the same one 4 times in a row 👍

[violet matrix]

CL-40 PLAYERS ARE SO PATHETIC

[craggy basin]

I love being soft locked from winning

[icy falcon]

HAHA wouldn't it be funny if they let you throw the spear.... yeah that's a funny joke..... unless????

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 38)

[unreal fossil]

Nerf the CL-40 to the ground. It's a troll gun that should forever remain a troll gun. One that you pull out for shit & giggles in a round of Quick Cash, when you're tired of having to aim. And then throw back to the garbage can where it belongs.

Right now, it's atrocious for Lights, since part of their arsenal is effective at point blank range, where the CL-40 can effortlessly delete them in two careless left clicks, while taking minimal self damage. An absolute no brainer.

With the P556, M1887, its specs and gadgets (including exclusive access to counters to its own gameplay, i.e. APS), Medium is very obviously the best pick of S4.

This is even more true due to Heavies having been nerfed substantially (mesh/dome/RPG/mines/C4...).

There are several ways to achieve better balance. Either by reverting the buffs to the CL-40 and applying clever nerfs to the Pike. Or by restoring the defensive strength of the Heavy class to compensate. But that could do more harm than good. So the first option is the easiest, least harming IMO.

[wise falcon]

Thanks embark for fixing the connection issues by just normalizing them...

[earnest sierra]

CL-40 players after getting the most pathetic kill

[rocky elk]

Dis season a joke

[hazy shore]

remove cloak from the game

[west anchor]

Are we not supposed to get rewards from last seasons world tour??? What's happening?

[strong frigate]

Next Wednesday, they’re making sure they don’t give any rewards to cheaters

[warped wraith]

the prefromance of this game gets worse and worse every season and im tired of it

[craggy basin]

I am not currently but if that happened last round of world tour it is especially if players find out to do it on purpose

[toxic plover]

Hello community or devs^^ love the game and stuff. Season 4 is hot and i love the new guns added. Small negative feedback concerns the lobbies on ps5. I play mainly power shift and it occurs a lot that i enter games that are almost finished only to earn another loss. I would already be happy if it wouldn't count as a loss in the statistics if you enter a game you can't win. Other than that I'm content with the game^^

[earnest tide]

can you please make gun skins more unique, if ur worried about effects and sound confusion, just have a setting that turns that off. This new paint gun cl40 is the most disappointing thing ever, right behind the new m11 night op skin

[mighty fossil]

so bored with the balance changes, dont nerf the game... most people that complain just want to win easy, things are OP just play against it noobs 😄

[waxen citrus]

Greetings! I am a Make-A-Wish Foundation associate and I am messaging on behalf of "Born"! His final dying wish is to get THE FINALS to center the HUD in-game! He has Stage 9 Death Disease and would love to see "Embark" add this option so "Ultrawide users can play the game without turning their head to see the health, ammo and other HUD data." Please add HUD BOUNDARIES so his wish can be fulfilled and he can pass happily!

[odd atlas]

Maybe you need to replace your thermal paste. My computer did the same thing but then that fixed it

[peak dust]

I am having so many issues with playing the finals ( its just running so badly) I love this game but these performance issues is gonna push me away because who whats to play like that im so sad

[boreal wagon]

I swear to god move your fucking ass embark with the CL hot fix I am NOT going to fucking wait for another patch note..
You have recipe for the BEST FPS out there but holy shit your balance team is just picking their nose and eating their boogers..
youve left model in its overtuned fucking state since OPEN BETA and you're STILL not nerfing it AND on top of it you're giving medium access to CL / pike.. USE YOUR BRAIN do you fucking playtest anything you put out.. light is close to unplayable right now. you take chip damage from ANY source and you're vulnerable to getting fucking deleted by splash damage or stray bullets

@burnt notch learn to read

[upper citrus]

Nerf pike and model

[karmic surge]

New update I am getting unreal engine crash

[burnt notch]

overtuned since OB? name one game in s3 when a cl40 user did remotely good

@wise falcon fuck 💀 I’m blind today

[sonic spoke]

When light dash all aiming shoudl go out the windown no back dashing with pin point accuracy

[vestal igloo]

agree w this

[wise falcon]

He was talking about the Model there.

[pearl crater]

i didn't expect that day will come i'm really upset now there are cheaters in game

[visual bronze]

nerf cl 40 and pike please make ranked more forgiving top 3 to get points in gold is very very steep

[lime crane]

what is this lol, notice the team rank score on left

[slow spruce]

It might be time to limit the game to one of each size? The weapons are generally fine but when stacked can cause issues. Just give us a 'size' queue and we're good.

[green walrus]

NERF THE NOOBTUBE

[raven hollow]

#👂┇game-feedback nerf Cl-40 pls dmg gun same like bazoka H now meta is alway team three M with two Cl-40

[mellow geyser]

The game is too random.

[wispy shard]

i made emerald last season when do i get my stuff for making it there???

[foggy fjord]

Does anyone else have packet loss problems? because for some reason when there are many explosions the packet loss icon appears

[glacial knot]

You need to upgrade your Ram, min 32 GB , i have 32GB Ram never had any performance issue.

[golden igloo]

the 3rd partying feels worse this season, please bring back farther spawns, Because two teams spawning 50m away from the cashout is annoying, I feel like I have zero time to get to a cashout and set up before 2 teams come and attack from either side. teams spawn way to close, also why is it when I coin im over 150m from my team but a whole new team gets to spawn 50m away? I dont get that. that needs to be switched around.

[muted pelican]

Need a CL-40 NERF ASAP bruh everyone is asking for it pls dont let this be a snooze fest like s3 again🙏

[upper citrus]

CL40 is fine but if this many people can’t adapt (melee users excluded) to the most counterable weapon ever then you might as well nerf it.

But a tips pop up on death that tells you how to naturally counter what you died to without mentioning the use of specific items would be great

[autumn linden]

CL-40 NEEDS BIG BUFFS, DO NOT DISAPPOINT ME EMBARK. I AM THE CEO'S SON, AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE BS ANY LONGER

[quick coyote]

yeah, CL-40 dps is still behind most guns

[onyx tiger]

i have good feedback. im enjoying season 4. glad to get back into the game. hope the new people ive been seeing decide to stay

[sonic spoke]

CL-40 is 4.4 RPG are you kidding me

[violet matrix]

Delete Cl-40 is so pathetic

[raven hollow]

Real Im play L Cl -40 like old bazoka when not yet nerf I just need eat two bullet and I will be 💀

[abstract geyser]

Why do we lose RS if we have no 3rd player on the start of the match?? How do you go from cancelling ranked matches to punishing players for others leaving????

[gritty umbra]

why not buff aps instead of nerf cl. everyone including me complains ab shit getting gutted but theres no trade off, cl is only good rn bc its only counter is booty cheeks (plz buff aps)

[tall egret]

Bruh not nerfing cl is crazy
And even worst you give cl a skin 😭 this is some type stuff

[thorny parcel]

Can we have a mic only mode for solo que

[delicate yoke]

nerf the pike, model, cl40, and (slightly) deagles

[sacred siren]

why no pike nerf this patch?

[pliant glade]

I mean no cl nerf either. It'll come soon i'm sure, the model needs a nerf too imo. i think it should still do 128 but only on headshot, body should be 85 so still a 2 shot on lights, and a 3 for medium on body hits

[green walrus]

not nerfing cl40 makes me want to stop playing lol

[high temple]

model? hahahahah silver player

[wraith igloo]

CL40 mostly just needs increased self damage. Also simple charge'n'slam fix: make the speed/dmg ramp up relative to time.

[low galleon]

Low settings, 1760x990, Capped FPS 144, Disabled V-Sync, Ultra Performance...

CPU: R7 5800x
RAM 32 GB 3200 MHz

RX 580 8GB
Not shooting - 50 FPS
Shooting - 14-26 fps

RTX 2060
Not shooting - 54 FPS
Shooting - 17-33 fps

RTX 3070 8GB
Not shooting - 61 FPS
Shooting - 26-39 fps

For a game in 2024, I struggle to understand why performance is lacking and even more so with season 4 after promising optimization. Please, make performance a focus.

Edit:
I made sure to unstall video drivers in safe mode using Guru DDU

Edit 2 (reply to comment below):
I made sure to disable AMD and Nvidia overlays, Crosshair X (Something I use for other games) was uninstalled, Overwolf uninstalled, discord not in tray as well as other apps such as epic games, the FPS counter is the one built into monitor.

[uneven dagger]

Those numbers aren’t normal and should be higher/consistent, ensure you don’t have any overlays or processes that might be placing the game in power saving mode as you’re trying to play

[dark crescent]

Suggestion: Spend VR to re-roll your number

[broken geyser]

It's so stupid. 3rd and 4th miminum should give + elo

[narrow belfry]

Whoever is drawing up these skins for the store needs to be replaced bc even cod mobile puts out better stuff and for what they cost they aren’t even half worth it

[clear hemlock]

Cl-40 is annoying sure but wait till you hear about a certain new weapon called the Pike

[smoky gust]

Please make the paintball cl-40 skin leave behind paint on whatever it hits
Maybe change its shoot/hit sound too

I really want to use this skin but currently it just doesnt really fit together

[torpid quarry]

Embart i hope upgrading your game to the newest version of unreal is the top priority cause this lag is really frequent and ruins the fun

[soft wedge]

PIKE-556 emerald as a reward for the s4 circuit

[violet matrix]

You are pathetic 🤦‍♂️

[silver mica]

CL 40 NERF PLS

[celest aurora]

Light or Medium having an advanced parkour specialization would be cool.

If it were medium it'd work pretty well imo because of the variation in playstyles you could run.
Sum wallrunning, long jumping, quicker vaulting, that kind of thing.

[green walrus]

damn paine you toxic

[quiet summit]

nerf the lights melees, 2 seasons now where theyve been op and unbeatable

[upper citrus]

And your rank is..? I’m top 150 in ranked and the model and pike are the only weapons people use at high elo. The model is fundamentally too strong on medium because and ruins any opportunity for coordinated teams to punish a medium’s mistake.

Silver players are usually the ones saying model doesn’t need a nerf lmao

[bold silo]

32 gb RAM? I see it as only problem, quality gets me more fps than ultra performance

[modest rock]

Glitch with the emote with the music box. Its plays non stop overlapping in the lobby and hurts my ears. Also plays in game when picking contestants

[frigid cloak]

SEASON 4 Feedback:
• Cheater are literally everywhere, mostly wallhack, anti recoil and aim assist on mnk, but it's a problem both ranked and WT. (I was Diamond1 since CB1 so I know difference between good player and cheater)
• Rank system had some improvements but it's unbelievably grindy, after u get to mid plat you gain 300x win and loose 1300x loss.
• Third parties still need a lot of work, half on my games I get 1 team not going for the closest vault and instead coming to 3rd party our vault (respawn location could help this). Also respawn distant are incredibly inconsistent for random reasons and especially from map to map (yes... Kyoto 😒). I think there should be some sort of penalty for double cashing or to go fight on a cashout as 3rd party. Maybe let the team select a cashout with their ping and if they go for another one they get 50% only of the cash.

Balance Changes:
• CL-40 Meta is stupid and just toxic (why embark?)
• Sword didn't need a teleport buff, it just encourages to run cl-40 spam which make game even more toxic
• Pike feels good but a bit too strong and overclass all medium AR
• Why nerf mesh and heal, literally some of the only teamwork based abilities, this encourage an individual playstyle that changes the game for worse being a team based game. Now support and collaboration keeps getting penalized if not for triple cl-40 spam.
• Model is still to overtuned, but in fairness it match with cl-40 and pike all a bit too strong for medium that should be more support/tactical based class.
• All melee weapon are frustrating to play against as the range is double to triple what it looks like visually, so u stab people in the back from 5m away to the actual knife.

Notes:
• EAC isn't good enough and plenty of things get through, I think killcams or replay of ranked games are becoming necessary
• 3rd party and balances should be addressed first as easier to deal with.

Lastly, I appreciate your hard work Embark

[real scroll]

The only good thing about the weapons this season is the ability to add sights. All the balancing for the weapons this season is unbelievably bad. Who developed the heavy pistols and thought that was a good idea.

[restive nest]

dome shild might need a buff i dunno guys, im chewing threw through those things with all 3 classes. it feels so weak now

[vague shadow]

Yes I personally like the new change better but I would love the option for both

[hazy shore]

how are there still so many cheaters and exploiters in this game still?

[unreal fossil]

The ways to counter it either require you to play Medium yourself, are demanding and/or situational. It's understandable that no one wants to put lots of efforts into outplaying ONE enemy who barely has to make any to be an absolute nuisance. And the real problem isn't defeating a CL40 user. It's the fact that he will often effortlessly take away chunks of your HP even if he dies. Then his M1887, Pike or AKM buddy who was waiting around the corner finishes you off before going for the usual defib nose dive.

I'm honestly surprised nerfing this gun is even a debate.

We've spent three seasons hearing constant complaints about the RPG. And before anyone tells me one more time 'bUt iT's A gAdGeT nOt A pRiMaRy', no one, I say again, NO ONE ever complained about the RPG doing too much damage for a gadget. The complaints were always about how it took little effort for the amount of damage it could deal. Especially to Lights, who would litteraly get insta-gibbed from a direct hit at the beginning of S1. The RPG has been nerfed several times since, and we've come down to a point where it deals 100 damage upon a direct hit, almost twice that number in self damage, with a long cooldown, longer reload, etc.

A GL with 4 shots/infinite ammo dealing 117 tops with no self damage can't be seen any differently than the pre-nerf RPG in terms of 'braindead crutch to delete enemies without having to aim'. It's actually so much worse than the RPG.

[simple parrot]

Buff it all make it more chaotic

[waxen citrus]

Greetings! I am a Make-A-Wish Foundation associate and I am messaging on behalf of "Born"! His final dying wish is to get THE FINALS to center the HUD in-game! He has Stage 9 Death Disease and would love to see "Embark" add this option so "Ultrawide users can play the game without turning their head to see the health, ammo and other HUD data." Please add HUD BOUNDARIES so his wish can be fulfilled and he can pass happily!

[thorny parcel]

I want CL40 to be a weapon you use when you want to synergize with mines and gadgets. Otherwise it is bad.

[rain gust]

If you guys nerf M11, something is seriously wrong with your balance team. Just pointing that out for the future.

[quick coyote]

okay so there needs to be a change in the way winning in ranked works, you literally have teams going through because of the final cash being doubled and the top team letting bottom team win, just cause games are closer doesnt mean its a competitive experience

[vivid swan]

As a reward for winning the Sponsor Faceoff, the winners should be allowed for their Sponsor badge to become diamond instead of gold (With the requirement that they already completed their Sponsor Rewards. Then you could give the group that got 2nd a Platinum badge (or emerald) as a reward for 2nd.

Would be a cool small bonus to the group that brings in the most fans.

[fallow sedge]

Can we please get the goo gun to have a toggle in settings for auto or manual, The auto setting throws off timing when your firing one ball at a time between shots

[upper citrus]

Or play high ground.. or run directly to the medium so they deal self damage.. or punish the reload.. or just raw ttk race it because you will almost always win…

The weapon is not OP. There’s a reason it’s nowhere past gold. But if it’s an issue for a ton of casual players then it can be nerfed I don’t really care. But eventually casual players need to get used to a learning curve. Mesh is now gutted because casuals can’t adapt to anything

[proper crescent]

Have you tried shooting them? You know they have to be right next to you to hit you right? Maybe like, kill them before they get there?

[violet matrix]

Cl-40 players are so pathetic :/

[gritty umbra]

this

[fathom glacier]

4 games of ranked got 3rd twice went up 700 total then got absolutely slammed 2 games in a row but SOMEHOW we are 2nd seed so we lose 1000+ each rank so in 4 games I am down 1300 for the night this ranked system is so fucked its not fun at all and makes me not want to play

[twilit sand]

Game crashed for 3rd time and now I'm suspeneded for 1 hour. AWESOME

[hazy shore]

nerf the cl40

[echo urchin]

Skill issue.

[fickle rune]

Please makes some game history tab that shows players’ loadout in games and exposes some api for it
I think the community need some objective statistics with pick rate and win rate

[scarlet oriole]

Nerf grenade launcher

[stray siren]

No cl40 nerf this update is crazy

[void blade]

Someone please @ me when they nerf the cl40 and the pike, until then im done playing. cant climb ranked at all this season as a heavy.

[abstract ravine]

No but seriously "And your rank is..?" has to be the dumbest shit ever spoken in this channel.
Model genuinely doesn't need a nerf, and basing the validity of someone's opinion over a rank is ridiculous.

@upper citrus Your need to just slander any discussion I’ve made on balance change instead of making a genuine case only proves what I interpreted at first, even if I wasn’t correct in that initially.

Edit proves my point more

@versed latch The most immediately prevailing opinion is usually just that, and it makes sense face value. But someone being good at the game doesn't inherently mean they know the mosst about it. There is a very surprising amount of top level players, especially in communities like Overwatch or League, that scream about insane balance changes. Imagine if someone like Ottr just came out and said "buff the model and make defib instant with full hp".
Not only that, but basing balancing off of how the top level players use it isn't a good model to go off of when you look at it deeper. Every single aspect of the game is stringently optimized in comp which miscontrudes the actual state of any given feature or weapon. For example, there are a lot of case scenarios that involve a completely underutilized and very "mid" weapon becoming godlike in the hands of someone whose really good. Because of that, it gets nerfed when it never needed it, and then is actually unusable by your majority casual players.
tl:dr- It isn't about who supposedly has the most game knowledge, but about how the game plays in it's most natural state.
And none of this is fact, but it's just my opinion based off of what I've observed.

[upbeat tree]

mediums are very well balanced, I love that their new sniper can hip fire out ttk most guns in short range, I also love that they can reverse any mistake made in the game with defibs. oh and the models pellet spread isnt tight enough, needs a buff

[upper citrus]

Are we going to ignore the fact I was saying that in response to someone else playing the rank card? Or did you just not read that.

Anyways, it’s delusion at this point to say the model doesn’t need a nerf. The pike 556 is one of the most overpowered weapons in the entire game right now and the model is still meta.

I looked through your recent posts in game feedback and saw you defending the mesh nerf and saying winch claw is fine though so it’s safe to say your understanding of how the game is played is pretty bad. Idk what I expected from someone who unironically thinks medium should be on par / better than the other classes at close range. Zero point in arguing with someone who has no actual direction with their balance takes

Edit proves my point

[brittle mountain]

I understand the reason behind the SR-84 40m drop off however I feel like 40m is a bit too short especially on maps like kyoto yet weapons like the Ak still preform just as good at long distances so I feel like either the distance till the bullet becomes a projectile should be adjusted from 40m to at least 50m mabye even higher making it able to compete with other wepons or removing it entirely as the medium sniper has no bullet drop off

[frank gull]

This was my 5th game...
I'm not even "high Elo"...
This is the only game I noticed the pike. 😬
(I've been hoping around game modes too)
Got slapped in the face with good aim, & 1 hacker because statistics...
&
You'll never guess who won.
HML 💯
MMM got knocked as well. 🤯
#👂┇game-feedback message

R.I.P FCAR 🪦

Side Note:
Try Hard & "High Elo” don't =...
Why am I already going against the creame of the crop???
Going against the top 500 at game 5? 🫶🏽

#👂┇game-feedback message
@hexed osprey I get why people would rage quit in a solo Q.
I can't imagine the experience.
I've only done it twice, so far

#👂┇game-feedback message - @tawny oriole meta slaves

#👂┇game-feedback message @storm inlet
I know that feel...
I haven't made it to the finals yet, but thanks for the heads up.

[regal salmon]

Anyone else given up playing?

I've really tried with S4, but killing all the defensive tools has just turned it into a miserable sweatfest, and I hate it.

I loved this game due to the creativity and teamwork, but it just feels like it's all gone now.

I haven't uninstalled yet as i'm waiting to at least check out my Emerald awards after grinding to E1. But I think I will.

This new direction's here to stay, and it's not for me.

[drifting acorn]

Can we get a Lights Off event where the arena is darkened and players have limited visibility, as well as some spotlights lighting random spots in the arenas? Give the HOLTOW players some value on their Sun Insurance.
(Looking out for you HOLTOW players as an ISEUL-T supporter.)

And also… PLEASE FIX ARIAD’S FACE GLITCH EFFECT WITH THE SPOTLIGHT STEALER MASK! It isn’t working like it should! @bitter nexus I’m very sorry for this ping but this is the only way to get the attention of the mods to get the higher-ups attention. Please help me out here with this face mask problem.

[long phoenix]

lights are too OP friends 😦

[obsidian sail]

M11 is perfectly fine haha, I love it

[violet matrix]

Nerf Cl-40 IS SO PATETHIC

[zinc haven]

I like the idea of a "Lights Off" event with spotlights.

[uneven dagger]

Keep Cl-40 AS IS, ITS SO GOOD

[frigid cloak]

U forget the cl-40.. although is less common because people can aim, it's incredibly effective and toxic against triple heal mediums... The meta is just medium dominated with lots of unbalance in other classes as well, this might be the most toxic meta since nukes and lots of top diamonds don't like it even though they abuse it.

[versed latch]

How isn't rank a good way to show credibility? I think a member of something like faze clan would know more than a new player

[brittle obsidian]

pike and model are objectively better than the cl40 in 90% of scenarios, thus why people in high rank don't use it.

[celest aurora]

Let private match hosts scramble or choose teams please!

[tawny oriole]

I swear at God, i m playing aps against cl40 and i swear at god again. Soon they see aps they stsrt runing away, try it and give me feedback .believe me the APS is their nightmare, if embark increase APS health depend cl40 damage, everything will be different

[misty walrus]

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/iNKPEUoUVs_fzI0W3/d1337RbIhWl8?invite=cr-MSxYd0osMTIxNjE3ODYs

[past idol]

Console only crossplay option please

[ripe spade]

Anyone got a fix for framerstes on xbox? They completely die at random times

[somber axle]

did anyone claimed their last season's ranked skins yet?

[modest root]

playing light is the worst

[gusty goblet]

pike is stupidly broken right now icl both the pike and cl 40 make me want to jsut leave until the next patch. imo its the worst season yet

[daring fossil]

fix phantom throws with Throwing knives, it's bad enough I get killed by TK's the same frame I see someone open a door, but they can throw without indicating they are throwing

[waxen hornet]

create a penalty for leavers maybe ever? every single game turns into an outnumbered match and people dont get replaced, really fucking fun

[wooden summit]

U sound dumb AF bub it's not credible because that's subject to change and even pros have been caught using cheats which makes ur statement even more ridiculous

[sonic spoke]

game is rediculkous tonight all the hackers whent and made new accounts and got the wallhack upgreade. wtf worst day playing

[quick coyote]

Nerf,
light - LH1, M11
medium - Model, Pike, Grenade Launcher
heavy- Charge and slam, Desert Eagles,

also change the way cash is earned, just because games are closer doesnt mean its skill based, numerous times when bottom team doesnt put any cash or win any cashouts but adavanced because top team pushes them through and lets them steal, it literally means you can do nothing all game but go through because you win one doubled cash out

[torn canyon]

Bad take, L.

[sly crater]

The KS-23 could use just the tiniest smidge of buff. It doesn't really hold a lot of strength in its viable range, and the benefits of positioning that the destruction gives you doesn't outweigh that.

At least raising it to 105 so that Medium and Heavy are within Quick Melee threshold in 2/3 shots would help it be a proper danger in close range, and if not that, then maybe consider letting it at least crit on headshots.

[versed latch]

Even if rank changes fast, it's difficult to get in the top 100s in the first place. Automatically discrediting every high ranked player just because they might be cheating is stupid as well.

[onyx crystal]

no please thatll instakill lights with winch

[pliant glade]

We need some engimo branded shoes, maybe gloves too? 👉 👈 (please)

[tight oracle]

#BringBackReconSenses

[restive crescent]

imagine turning down graphics effects

[leaden wagon]

Positive: the clearer ranked information is MUCH appreciated.
Negative: It's so f'n brutal to spend 35-45 min grinding to get 1400 RS for winning a tournament to then lose 1100rs in an 8 min match.

[fluid sun]

I will say the CL-40 at least deserves more punishment for CQB fights, like more self-damage with the RPG and C4
It's quite frequent where mediums will just shoot at their feet with little punishment if I'm up close

And my hot take balance list while I'm at it:

• Light box mag shotty - literally a SA1216 more or less, why does light get a shotty with sustain (high mag)? on first glance this weapon sounds like it belongs to at least the medium class
• Too many lights are running around as glass cannons - their weapons need to be a little less versatile. Looking at you M11 and XP-54
• Balance breach charges vs C4. 3 Breach charges has more damage / destruction potential than the 1 C4 you get. Now players are lobbing breach charges like grenades, while they should just be used for, ya know, making holes in walls
• Give mediums and heavies 3 more weapons and gadgets to equal the amount of choices lights have
• Slight buff to KS-23
• Reduce cooldown slightly on mesh shield - OR give it a number of charges before it goes on CD so where you still can bring it up/down in firefights without it being spammy.

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[night vortex]

this game plays so much better without having to slog through Defib fights. I know the top 500 will say just kill them but as we’re climbing all we’re fighting is mediums. It’s so unfun. When does it become more heavies?

[versed hazel]

I just dropped onto a glitch mine while holding a gadget and instead of forcing me back to primary it just completely nullified my ability to do anything at all. guessing it was a bug since I had just pulled my gadget out while dropping onto the glitch mine

[violet matrix]

Nerf Cl-40 is so pathetic

[daring fossil]

for the love of god please fucking fix people stealing without the alarm going off or the icon blinking! THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE LAUNCH AND IT RUINS GAMES.

[quiet pivot]

this is worst night ive had with this game since i started playing. the light sniper is now useless, cheaters are EVERYWHERE.... FIX THE GAME PLEASE. Get rid of the wallhackers, buff the light sniper, nerf the cl40, and for the love of god please stop leaving things out of the patch notes.

if they arent going to buff it, they need to add balistics to every other gun. Why is the DE pistols or the silenced pistol able to hit across the map like a fucking laser but all the sudden, without note, the light sniper has full on ballistics. a 40 m drop is dumb, and its even worse in a fast paced FPS. The light sniper wasnt an issue after the last nerf to it. There was no reason to ruin that team asset. Unbalanced horse shit

If you dont want the light sniper being fixed, your a shit player that cant find cover.

[fathom glacier]

^we are not buffing the light sniper right now get off the game please everything else is valid

[grave dew]

shorten world tour games

[narrow vine]

"Get off the game"

GTFO, you're the kid who got thrown into trashcans in school. Adding 40m drop to a sniper and no drop on anything outside of GL's is insane.

Everything gets ballistics or don't do anything at all.

[smoky folio]

It's really really fun to play L and lose engagements at basically any range because you can spam pike and kill me. I've been learning the other classes this season and it's actually crazy how much stronger M is than L. At least there are counters to the H kit; what do you do against 3 pikes beaming you from the top of Monaco church at any range, any angle, with less than 2 second TTK? The answer is: nothing. At least with the Model the opponent has to come close to do big damage. The gun needs either a damage nerf, or--more likely--a firerate nerf. That, and it should probably get the sniper bullet drop. At least then it will be tolerable at range and can be countered.

[kindred crypt]

yall need to revert the medium grenade launcher buff literally so stupid.. you've got teams running 2-3 noob tubes and the team is instantly dead, not to mention it requires literally zero skill. Its also pretty sad that the Pike can kill faster than the sniper at range now. If you're gonna add bullet drop might as well add it to the Pike.

[clever veldt]

Wish there was reactions for this chat

[upbeat tree]

I love fighting a 3v6 cuz the enemy team is all mediums 🙂

[brittle cedar]

Please revert these grenade launcher changes. It is all I see on mediums anymore

[nova carbon]

Love the gernade launchers on medium

[sudden tangle]

Light weak plz buff

[fervent coral]

When is the pike nerf happeneing

[versed latch]

@wooden summit

[gleaming marsh]

fix your matchmaking, why am i being match with someone who's 10k rating under me??? on my team?????? and 2 team of the enemy is both higher rank than me? how is that a fair competitive ranked match?

this game also has a clear bias towards the medium class and its insane to me. this was the same problem since season 1 and 2, when i quit the game for the first time. and its the same issues for now.

you killed light taser, nerf cloak to the ground, grapple is still a terrible specialization, nerf mesh shield god knows how many times, etc...

while medium receive a thanos glove in the form of a DMR that 3-4 shots every one.
ak47 getting a skin every minute of the game.
cl40 got buffed cuz boo hoo why would a skillless gun not do a gazillion damage right?
model is basically a fkin sniper rifle, cuz a shotgun that does insane damage at medium range with spread tighter than my butthole surely makes sense to you guys.

i had high hopes for this game with thisn season drop but i guess it has its run time, calling it quit once again.

[eternal kayak]

So can pyro grenade be a hard counter for riot shield. Should be no way I get I direct hit with pyro and I’m still getting chased. It’s like this game has to reward skill at some point. You having aim and hitting shots mean nothing in this game. Mfs run through your bullets and two tap you with melee.

[wooden summit]

Keep my @ off your basement dwelling asses keyboard and to reply u ain't wrong it's hard to get up there but there's definitely more value in listening to the whole of a player base than the select few now let a mofo get some sleep ya twat

[steep cedar]

Love it

[hazy skiff]

Rds on 93r now embark.

[frank gull]

The FAMAS is only really good mid range. In a room mobility can easily win.
Thank to the mobility of the platform I " dodged" those shots, & put good Suppressive fire.
Mobility = 🔥

#👂┇game-feedback message chill...

[stark atlas]

hows everyone liking the CL 40

[obtuse hawk]

buff Oscar 🙂

[south mauve]

grenades shouldnt be a 1 shot to lights

[coarse jetty]

triple medium teams are incredibly garbage nerf cl40 and m1887

[tacit shore]

Make amethyst the mastery camo

[west trellis]

If CL40 is what it is can we at least get some love back to APS?

[sharp willow]

how can u guys be this stupid to buff the cl40

[odd atlas]

The dematerializer change makes it effectively impossible to use evasively. The depth change was good, so you don't get stuck on lights or 2-layer surfaces as much. But making it so much wider makes it a lot harder to use.

[hazy shore]

i get light was strong last season, but did you have to kill it this season?

[bold silo]

DEVS WHY THE FUCK AM I TEAMED WITH TROLLS THAT I PREVIOUSLY BLOCKED?!?!?

[hard shoal]

we need an option to control which teammates we get matched with. for example, as a medium player, I would prefer to match against heavy player instead of light ones. especially the ranked mode. 🥲🥲

[visual island]

Please bring billiards skin for grenades back to the store 🎱 🎱 🎱 🙏

[rugged temple]

I think you can buy any cosmetic items at all times. Check the skins under the frag grenade and you'll probably find it available for purchase.

@versed latch I think that's the metro drifter hood from the paid bundle.

[fervent coral]

Put a search filter on the game I dont wanna play with lights

[glacial phoenix]

i would like to see the teamwipe penalty added back to world tour

my favorite parts of playing cashout were split between wt and ranked and it's made me uninterested in playing the game as a whole

[lethal wolf]

I wonder if they gave the lights defibs if that would be nightmarish or better.

[versed latch]

Do you know where this hood is I can't find it

[versed hazel]

you have to buy the entire skin, cant just buy the hood for that one. it's one of the bundled multibucks and skin pack. if youre on PC you should be able to see it through the steam store page

[crude scroll]

add a 10 second team wide cd for defrib to stop res chains

[versed cipher]

It’s the one with that glowing orange mask. A bundle for $20

[crystal umbra]

I can't play the finals right now because I am busy with work.

I shall return soon

[hasty cliff]

metro drifter bundle

[void mist]

hi viptest

[desert beacon]

Wajdubqnannsndhfjfbfbbf

[oblique nacelle]

No literally I feel like lights become a terrible class when you have mediums that can deal as much damage as a heavy atp. I used to love this game but honestly the constants buffs and nerfs on top of unrealistic match ups has made the game hard to play

[gleaming tide]

Hopefully Embark views this as a chance to instead buff other things like the APS or add new specializations or gadgets that could be used to counter the cl-40 or any other explosives instead. Nerfing everything into the ground, contrary to the environment that embark has cultivated with the disaster that was season 3 is NOT how you keep a game fun and engaging.

[supple tinsel]

Yeah revert the CL40, yall been hitting it too hard at embark, lh1 was first, then throwing knives and now this ? Three weapons perfectly fine as is that received gamebreaking buffs. APS is useless if you're not perfectly aiming for the head and/or if the CL is shooting too close and/or more than two are onto you (which is really often now) and/or if you're in interiors, and/or if you get splash damage outside the APS range. The matchup is crazy against ALL other weapons whether or not you have the APS anyway. And if you put an APS on the ground, it doesn't even serve that much of a tactical purpose because you can't move out of its range if you want the most chances to stay safe from this weapon's bs, which ultimately traps you and gets you killed

[stark pilot]

HAHAHA If your enemy paly FCAR or AKM or any other gun, maybe just play bow and take initiative , you just die XDDDDDDDDDDD.
Isn't it prove CL40 is bad ? He's position is great,have full HP, even you take 2 shot still kill that guy.
WTF bro, does all noob play the game like that? Take 2 shot and still fight ,wish your enemy would make mistake let you win.
OMG. that is WHY I say don't trust the noob say, that even can't realize he already make mistake and just complain everything.
Did you know if you take APS, this CL40 player just free kill and only can run away, even this guy did 2 shot damage but still can't fight win the FKing fight.
Is it fair? Only the noob or gun player will say yes.
Just ruin the game balance and make high elo match full with AR LMG and Shot gun, and the noob will keep cry "WHY FLAMETHROWER CAN TAKE ME DOWN EASILY 😭 "
Yes, FMAS is only mid range OP, but it's enough, because this gun could make great damage in all distance, and OP at mid range fight, the most of fighting situation,
No one care in this channel, just because the noob wouldn't play this and high elo player only play this gun in rank.

[keen abyss]

Bugs and all, aswell as op weapons, still love the feeling i get playing this game❤️

[austere vector]

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO REMOVE AND EQUIP SIGHTS DURING ROUND WAITING TIME!!!!!

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[tribal barn]

CL-40 is here to stay, bye bye lights

[onyx crystal]

I am convinced they only nerfed the Sniper to make people use the Pike

[brittle obsidian]

even if they didn't pike still outperforms it 50x over

[hazy shore]

rip player base

[verbal breach]

Here is a list of changes that might make the dual blades viable:

-Damage Combo to 110, 120, 80
| Allows for kill combos with a quick melee

-Deflected Bullets can crit (uses crit mod from the deflected weapon)
| raises skill ceiling

-widen the deflect cone slightly

-blocks 50% of explosion damage
| we need something against grenade launchers, ok

Please Embark 🙏

[leaden idol]

Aye so my game keeps crashing whenever a pyro mine goes off, or lots of fire in general, not sure why but just started happening recently

[ocean sphinx]

Highkey running into a 3 stack med team running gls is so irritating and feel impossible to fight against sometimes

[violet elbow]

what ranked needs:

• Mesh Buff (Shield Meta is good)

• XP damage back to 18, nerf range

• Model Nerf

• Pike Nerf

• Nade Indicator

• elo hidden on the scoreboard

• Streamer/Anonymous mode

• Infinite Reload Bug fixed

• Sprint Bug fixed

• instadropping things you pick up bug fixed

• and please DO NOT hard reset ranks in S5, otherwise the elo system in high elo will just not work for 2-3 weeks, just like now. (Diamond 4s should only drop down to G1 + whatever they gain in placements)

[tulip rose]

Ranked system is complete and utter mess. You get queued with 20-25k higher elo enemies than you and if yo uare not first or second place you lose points. Explain how.

[timid pagoda]

please nerf m11 40 rounds to 35

[ashen belfry]

Arena Damage Tracker when? 🥲

[simple parrot]

An infected game mode like from Halo would be cool in the finals. A 4 squad of Heavies vs a lobby of heavies would be dope. And you could even introduce... the minigun

[wraith orchid]

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

[honest harness]

If you'd nerf the range, you got a better looking m11 with a worst mag size

Just let it like it is, and buff the range 😛

[flat saddle]

Can someone please explain to me why the enemy you pull with claw can attack you before you can attack them????

[astral yew]

I also think that's a major problem with the hook that the enemies can shoot in the animation but you can't shoot in your animation. So in the end you get "stunned" by yourself and the enemy not what is extremely stupid in my opinion. Either make it no one can shoot or both can shoot directly

[arctic mason]

CL-40 does not need nerf, thanks for making that weapon a viable option again.

[odd ibex]

Rework ideas

3 health beam plus defib it’s crazy,health beam needs to start off at a slow pace for medium and especially heavies and then heal at a normal rate.

Pike is so strange,it’s like a way better revolver,if u could add a more zoomed sight for revolver it would be perfect.
A camping medium with pike’s long range and high fire rate is crazy to deal with.
Pike is a better lh with more health as medium,bad new entry as a weapon.

Pike needs a total hip fire nerf and lower fire rate.

Data reshaper rework should be if u reshape 3 orange barrels then u get one time use of a pyro grenade or gas if u get green canister or glitch grenade if u get 3 blue barrels,your team mates can gather them,so there is teamwork!

Gravity boots for wall running?

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positions and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

[potent solar]

I know the scoreboard is already full of info, but a suggestion:

• have an overall cash value earned per contestant, rn there is a plug meta and the cod brains often insist on kills + dying in wt vs objs

[distant path]

let us emote in the main lobby during queues. i just wanna do my lil dancy dance

[signal basin]

Light need more DPS and/or survability compare to the other class.
Don't talk to me about dagger. You can die 3 times for trying one kill.
Dash + Sword ? Just spam you're Deagle or CL40 / Model and it's no big deal.
Even the M11 if more usefull than the XP now since the nerf.

You guys really needs to balance your game and specially the Light class because you can't do shit with it right now. Almost a year and I never see a META asking for at least ONE LIGHT in a squad

[thick sorrel]

True, high rank and everybody wants you to not play light.

[dusk matrix]

$30

[bold silo]

Ranked so random, getting people who cannot ping walk or aim at 2400 elo, rather add skilled bots if there is not enough players

[signal basin]

Imagine being a Light main, playing M with a M.357 for the first time in months and having no prob to win and get kill with when you're struggling to survive with your Light.
I'm not even using this stupid CL40 or PIKE. No. Just the R.357
Look at the score board. NO FKING LIGHT.
DO SOMETHING EMBARK PLEASE

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[uncut turret]

Please nerf GL for medium

[keen heath]

I still want Melee weapons to have a buffs in one of these few options (not all of them just one)

1. After killing someone with Melee weapon you get a very tiny amount of HP back (25hp or 50hp quick melee kills will work on this if you have a Melee weapon as your primary) (note if you have a ranged weapon and quick melee kill you wont get this effect)
2. When using a Melee weapon you are slightly faster with Walking/Running (nothing crazy just enough to close the gaps since everyone uses a gun)
3. This could be cool but make some kinda of combo attacks if timed well for extra damage
   (example: After doing sword Lung if you time the auto attack correctly you will do a sword spin damaging anyone close to you)
   (not sure about the rest of the Melee weapons but this was just a rough idea)

[barren flame]

dude this game is driving me crazy how the hell i am supposed to enjoy it if it shows unreal engine error and closes itself. also my pc specs are more than recommended and this is happening with many people i play with

[versed cipher]

I had the same issue before, try reinstalling your drivers. I also had more than the reccomended specs and had the same issue

[dense ocean]

day 23 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[fallen mirage]

Anyone else having connection issues on PS5?

[flat saddle]

RPG gets to do more dmg to self than it does to enemies, yet the CL40 does less dmg to self than to enemies????

[little yew]

What’s wrong with que? I was 11 minutes waiting to connect

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[umbral anchor]

BRO WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY DID YALL PUT KYOTO IN WORLD TOUR WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[mossy karma]

Yeah, i think the same way too
This game turned into a boring ass meta play

Balance has left the chat, some weapon aren't viable anymore as they used to in S2

[stuck inlet]

It pains me to say this but i agree with you.

[quick coyote]

Revert CL-40

[pseudo breach]

I'd like this as well. But I must say, it's funny seeing an enemy CL-40 user and he/she still somehow manages to only get like 2-3 eliminations and 10 deaths...

[wise jolt]

i mean, its good embark is trying something to make the CL40 not just an objectively worse model1887. but i think they shouldve leaned more into the 'direct hit' mechanic. the 30cm radius is way too forgiving. 110 damage for a direct hit would maybe be a good way to go. and then if u hit within 9cm its 110. after that its 90 or something and then linear it goes down. i dont know. the weapon being a direct hit weapon should be the reason to use it. because in my opinion; there is where the fun is with this weapon.

[dapper sage]

Would love a way to mute quick chat or ping spams im getting annoyed of solo que lights 100m away from the team spamming “group up” “group up” “group up” “group up” after they push a full team and die

[bronze pumice]

• CL-40 nerf
• Model nerf
• Pike nerf
• Make the spear alternate attack cancellable
• Glitch Grenades should explode on impact
• Make Sonar Grenades destroyable
• Reinforce the buildings on Fortune Stadium a little bit? They just crumble apart from a couple of nades unlike other maps
• Mesh shield Nerf reverted slightly
• Would like to see sys$Horizon and Fortune Stadium eventually get some love with variants
• Release the other variants of the hair used in the rockabilly outfit, they existed in the OB but we only got the blonde version in the battlepass back in S1

[signal basin]

• Buff the Light in some way the can play without die in a second so they can play and enjoy a lot more without struggle just to get one kill.

[red echo]

Very good suggestions , rly hope the devs see this

[stable dove]

agree

[mental hatch]

What happened to developers, why in s1 they listened community instantly and nerf aimassist. A lot of gamers loves it. But now when all community wants cl40 be nerfed they just ignore and release skin. What fking wrong this move looks like a joke

[cosmic cloud]

Uhh... so the current new event in WT is... double XP? Not sure what kind event or game modifiers I was expecting, but certainly not that.

[keen abyss]

Why do i get stuck under map on fortune stadium

[wraith orchid]

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

[crisp coral]

Agree other than the model I think it’s in a good place rn don’t get me wrong it’s very good but if they nerf it then no one would use it atm it fits perfect

[mental sky]

You ever played against a good sword light? They don't need that

[round parrot]

Is it just me who sees the double amount of followers owned? Like at the end of a match I get 12000/8000 followers, so i actually need 16000 to level up. I don't even know if i'm even getting the right number of followers or a half (ps5)

[keen heath]

I am one but there are still things that not even a sword lord can deal with if they are spotted, but riddel me this do you see melee weapons in the meta at all…no because everyone uses guns and melee is at a disadvantage because they have no range on them I will always say Melee needs a buff until I see them in more meta play

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[tropic sequoia]

I think the CL-40 should be nerfed, you need 3 shots for a heavy and dont even have to aim at him. Especially in this game where your objective is to stand still at a cashout and steal it, it is not fun if somone is just spamming grenades from anywhere giving you no chance to steal it.

[queen widget]

just played a game of world tour as a heavy. Faced 6 CL-40s and died 12 times in one round. I've never struggled this hard to play as a heavy, especially even while using a defensive loadout with shield dome and barricades that almost felt useless. Managed to get to emerald last season, so I don't consider myself too bad

[blissful crescent]

I don't understand why you won't at least address the possibility of "120 fps" mode

[echo radish]

Rank's Seed system is good, but If you make High seed / Low seed at first, there should be more reward for Low seed when Win. Even with 5~6 seed winning full tournament only gives 1500 under so I think overall rank is having stroke at silver~gold.

[versed hazel]

Only way to three shot a heavy with the CL-40 is to get actual direct hits. otherwise if you hit the floor at all it takes the full tube

[ember burrow]

good game

[dark niche]

Can we get console only matchmaking? i feel like im getting pinged by these mnk sweats, not its not a skill issue, its just harder for us console people to control recoil and shoot far range, appreciate it, also fix sword and dash its impossible to kill.

[smoky basin]

We need it
now on console we are forced to play with cross play on, 60fps vs unlimited fps + mnk is not fun

[flat saddle]

It is certainly not fun when me playing on Xbox has my game shitting the bed from destruction while my enemies are perfectly fine. I almost lost a ranked game because of it, was prepared to get off the game until the situation gets fixed. I don't know what happens to the game every season, but the beginning of every season has been extremely difficult to play during destruction due to fps dropping to nothing. I can handle losing because I failed to do what was needed to be done, but when the game itself is piping my ass it makes me want to commit crimes.

[flint prawn]

please add HUD opacity slider for OLED owners.

[astral shell]

console with aim assist and still complaining 😅

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[dusk yoke]

Sword is annoying, yes, but if they can't kill you if they manage to get up close then what's the point of the weapon at all?

[high wing]

Just what is embark focusing on really, all they care about is shallow and boring engagement from their players and they think they are doing good. The AMA sucked, they answered nothing of value, and season 4 contained nothing of value, the new map already sucks, def one of the worst out there. Can you please focusing on improving the game instead of adding shallow cosmetics and player retention bullshit

[wraith igloo]

Hacking hotfix when??

[queen widget]

the new map is very similar to already existing Seoul. I noticed it on multiple occasions while running around

[visual spruce]

yup. model is actually fine rn. it doent want any nerf or buff. if someone is struggling by dying bcs of the model then its a skill issue

[crisp coral]

Fr man

[wind plover]

50m head shot 50people mission remove plz

[proper crescent]

So what exactly is the counterplay if you're running a shorter range weapon then?

[sturdy drum]

I play on an Asian server. I played 3 seasons, honestly, I tried not to leave this game, but when you have all the cheaters in the game 5-10 level with standard skins and Chinese nicknames and I’m level 63 with my party I can’t do anything to them, it’s sad. The balance is all set up in favor of cheaters. The mines with which they could be killed worsened. It’s simply impossible to play. Cheaters compete with each other to see who has better cheats. There are only more of them every day. I’ll probably never come back. Embark, do you really not see cheaters in Asia? Come in and play on Asian servaks yourself. Maybe I’ll surprise you, there will be 4/5 cheaters. It’s easier to play in another region with a ping of 150 than in Asia.

[hard badger]

Please bring back LTMs in the game... It was so fund during s1 and s2! Also give us tdm please, it will more new people in the game!

[mellow shadow]

quick melee animation pack

[tired fable]

Hello Embark, this is my updated suggestions :

Heavy : -1 or -2sec HP recovery
Light : 175hp, +1sec HP recovery
Soundtracks : all your seasons ost are insane why we cant have choice to play music pack like apex, buff your menus option

Sword : nerf it
Dagger : make chargestab like throwing knife
LH1 : globally a less good Pike, I don't understand why, Light are weaker than Medium
Bow : you should buff arrow speed, its already complicate to engage with due to charging shoot
DualSword : deflect need more accuracy and better radius
CL40 : 105dmg/ammo or revert buff and give +1ammo in mag
Turret : reduce cooldowns. actually it deals no damage and all weapon/gadget can counter it easily, definitley the most useless M skill
R.357 : less good than model at short range and less good than pike at long range. almost all M weapons are better than R.357 please reduce damage falloff or give faster reload or better hipfire accuracy I don't know
Riot shield : FIX THE FIRE EFFECT BUG WHICH INFINITE BURN US ON THE SHIELD
Mesh Shield : it sucks now, completely useless, revert nerf

[smoky gust]

Yeah, LTM's were tons of fun, i hope we get more soon
Especially since this season is trying to get the gameshow element a bit more into the spotlight

[pseudo breach]

Lol, game backfills me in to a match that has 30 seconds left

[golden harbor]

buff mesh shield

[terse flower]

bring back the world greatest gameshow in the OST pleeeeeeeease

[oblique oyster]

🐶 HONEST SUGGESTION🐱

There should be more interactions with your pet in the game!
Please give us at least an Emote where it shows the respective pet and somehow runs around or does something in the game ❤️

[wraith igloo]

TFGE0003 TFGE0003 TFGE0003 TFGE0003 TFGE0003

[red echo]

fuck no what?

[rough herald]

mesh shield feel so clunky now
even if i use it to purely protect teammate the 500 hp get drain so fast, lasted bearly a second

@tired fable what the fack am i reading

[thorny lynx]

I really like the RED color scheme from getting to Emerald last season. I think it would be a really cool idea for all the YELLOWS in the game to be the color of your chosen sponsor. Seems like an easy push on your side? Maybe it wouldn't work with the maps, but I believe it would and also be super cool to have the soft ENGIMO, ISSULT, HOLTOW colors on your map.

[modern echo]

A teammate left our match. When I asked in this Discord last time, I was told there was no penalty for leaving, since a teammate already left.
Well .. When I then get back to the main menu, I can decide to reconnect to match (where my teammate left) or to leave. I chose to leave, because there was no penalty right? A teammate left my match ..

Well .. Now I got a 10 min penalty .. So .. What is it? Penalty? No Penalty?

[mossy karma]

So true

[deft light]

this game is too friendly to players who leave.. the amount of penalty you get versus players leaving I think are the same .. there seems to be no support for players who actually want to play the game when it comes to ranked gameplay (coming from solo q)

[hard badger]

In combination with the specialization its really good bro you can dash in and out fight, you can dash and melee and deal massive damage in one hit (backstab, lunge attack). Melee is the most annoying to fight against if its in the hand of a good melee player. Maybe its not meta, but it shouldnt be meta because otherwise nobody would play the game except for the melee players... So no I dont think melee needs to be buffed.

[fluid raptor]

buff xp54 damage from 16 to 17, nerf cl-max damage radius and increase damage falloff slightly to actually require good aim lol, nerf model damage or increase the spread by a good bit, nerf pike firing speed, make fcar recoil easier to control again, decrease mesh shield penalties to 2 seconds without having tanked any damage and 5 seconds if you did tank damage with it, nerf stun gun by making the insta-shoot range something like 5 meters and adding a way to charge the stun gun to increase the range to its full potential, buff glitch nade duration to be 8sec instead of 5sec

i'd also love to finally see more reload animations for all the weapons. i never use any of the inspect shit and i think most people only care about the animations they actually see during every fight. so instead of making bundles with many animations for one weapon, maybe make reload only bundles or just sell individual reload anims for the most popular weapons and add the less popular ones later.
another thing i'd love to see is stowing your weapons while walking around and being able to purchase cosmetics that are similar to apex heirlooms. obviously they shouldn't be insanely expensive like heirlooms but having some cool shit to fidget around with while rotating or waiting would be awesome. all the dagger animations are already so nice so i think u guys can definitely do some cool shit with it.

i feel like the matchmaking, at least for pubs, can be broken at times too. sometimes i have games that are actually fun - filled with sweaty and competent players while at other times i actually only have opponents who probably have less than 100 hours. seeing people still walking around in the newbie pijamas/the new equivalent of those as a long time player who can reach ranked dia in solo q is weird and having bad opponents honestly ruins the fun of the game for me.

and footstep audio feels insanely inconsistant. sometimes i can hear them very clearly, other times not at all.

[hollow flume]

Fr, buff mesh shield, it was totally fine

[wicked dragon]

Flamethrower not registering fire damage contract anyone?

[gritty garnet]

im sorry but the double cl meta has got to go
its annoying, its hard to counter, its way too easy to kill with

[rapid stream]

Is the CL40 meta in the room with us right now

[finite galleon]

cl40 is not meta it's just extremely braindead

[lunar geode]

With the new Mesh Shield nerf for this season I've seen a huuuuge wave of CHARGE N SLAM being used and it's soo frustrating.
As a Soul GooSledge player I feel it THE MOST and I see why I haven't seen as many Wench Claws recently aswell..

It's a funnel of heavy players changing to Charge N Slam, it's a counter to all other specialization aswell as making the spear EVEN MORE unplayable.
It's kinda easy to see!
Why play Melee when you're almost garenteed to get hit with the initial 130 damage of the CNS (Charge N Slam) and commonly get it followed up by another 100 damage hit from the same charge. God forbid it glitches and you get Juggled 3 times almost instantly.
Following that, why hook a person to you when when they'll start a charge and Slam and hit you with that 130 and the following potential 100s.
Why have an unreliable Mesh Shield when they'll CNS past it anyways?
Why run GooGun when your precise little goos are erased and made useless by a click of the enemy's button.

This is the worst time to play a Melee build as a heavy or medium. The meta is mid to long ranged and when you're close you'll get Charge n Slammed. It's the most frustrated I've felt ina while and it's insanely difficult to adapt to as that Melee player who's trying to climb the ranked ladder.

Like a cherry on top the finals is quoted on saying about the RPG
"We believe this change makes it still usable as an opener, but a much less valuable one, shifting its focus back to destruction and breaching."
Saying they would prefer this equipment to be used as destruction than instant damage..
So what's the role of Charge n Slam?
I thought the main use IS to be used as that destruction capability. THATS why you use it, to open building and drop floors, shoving people around. Displacing everything. that's the whole fun and USE. So why is it doubled as a huge instant Damage Dealing Specialization when Every Other special (beside turret) is a none damaging Special Unility.

It's just so frustrating to constantly play against, even wench wasn't THE WORST because I'd see other specialization being used beside it. Atm CNS is a no brainer for heavies and I'd like to see Charge and Slam be reworked more similarly to the RPG.

Maybe think about more shove, more walls to run past before being forced to stop, longer sprinting but wayy less damage. It shouldn't be used as an easy counter to specials and entire class of player (Melee players)

[narrow hearth]

buff cl40 so people cry more lets go

[plush fjord]

but if they nerf cl40 remember one thing: last time embark nerfed the gun it turned out to be the shittiest thing in the world, literally hellishlly useless.
so if they rlly DO wanna nerf it, dont do it wayyy too much, make it go back to how it was in s2, u know, not too op not too underpowered
and plus, the cl40 isnt that powerful forgodssake, cuz the fact that theres plenty counters for it (not just aps). try dash for instance, as proven by @fading sinew in the comment below

[fossil vault]

Why did the lights get the least aim requiring weapon this season? It's as if not light is already the most played class by top players due to having a small hitbox and fast movement

(Light players cope)

[fading sinew]

I think the weapons, well the heavy and medium are just fine.

People need to play the game instead of complaining like it's their job. The cl40 is fun but also a little challenging to play against. You can work around it. I have many times during wt modes at least. Team work and smart plays will KO a cl40 spammer.

[neat yoke]

(it isn't, mainly because other builds have better utility, somehow stronger weapons, and simply, more health)

[clever veldt]

For the LOVE OF GOD make it to where you can put attachements on or off in practice range stupid ash how I have to go back to main lobby just to change that

[carmine token]

It's a cointoss with Embark. 50% they'll nerf to an understandable level, and 50% they'll nerf to a level where the tool in question is unusable, creating a demand for five other nerfs due to the new "meta" (see Mesh Shield).
See also, the suggestion by @smoky gust right under this message. A specialization is overused due to being the objectively best choice because of nerfs that happened a week ago? Time to destroy it so hard that no one ever uses it!

[smoky gust]

Imo charge n slam should deal low if not 0 damage
And in return go further (especially if hitting buildings) and maybe also move faster

Allowing it to do more destruction

But it still remains helpful to get into close range with sledge
Or as a getaway tool if used with mgl, giving it improved survivability, just instead of frustrating 1-shots, by just getting away

[red echo]

pretty much yea except very high elo lobbies , i play around high gold mid plat and its filled with cl40 players lmao , most braindead weapon in the game

[bronze pumice]

• CL-40 nerf
• Model nerf
• Pike nerf
• Make the spear alternate attack cancellable
• Glitch Grenades should explode on impact
• Make Sonar Grenades destroyable
• Reinforce the buildings on Fortune Stadium a little bit? They just crumble apart from a couple of nades unlike other maps
• Mesh shield Nerf reverted slightly
• Would like to see sys$Horizon and Fortune Stadium eventually get some love with variants
• Release the other variants of the hair used in the rockabilly outfit, they existed in the OB but we only got the blonde version in the battlepass back in S1

[daring musk]

The running animation for heavy when they're using the new pistols is bugged. The animation starts to randomly play almost 3 times as fast as it is suppose to, they don't run faster but it's a pretty easy fix for that I'm guessing?

[opal ocean]

This is the correct take. More weapon nerfs are not the answer. People love to complain when something changes how they need to play. The fun is finding the counters. Maybe an APS buff could be a nice solution, and more self damage

[brittle obsidian]

oh yeah all the top players that play light like uhhhhh.... and um uh.....

dont kid yourself. every top player with any bearing on how the game works plays medium (aka light with 250 hp)

[vast pulsar]

I NEED STICKER ON BOTH DEAGLES PLS EMBARK! The placement is so cool pls let me have it on both guns!

[torpid sky]

all lights pro players literally switched to medium lol

[wide lake]

hello i was wondering does this game have M&K support on PS5?

[forest mountain]

Okay I’m start off saying this so y’all don’t get the wrong idea, I ALWAYS am one of the first ppl in any game I play to ask for a more difficult ranked system because quite frankly in most games just like this one I solo q and can still consistently hit top rank every season, (not top 500 tho I ain’t that crazy nor do I have the time😂) BUT this whole I win 2 back to back games then lose first round now the last hour and a half was waisted BS is really getting on my nerves. Idc how y’all do it or what y’all do but that has to be changed, is this a team comp game? Yes I know this, is this game not meant to solo q in? Yes ik this, but same with apex, overwatch, halo, and siege, yet I still don’t have this much of a urge to throw my controller because a simple 10 minutes set me back almost 2 hours IN GOLD, like that’s what gets me i been bouncing around low play to high gold for this reason. It’s friggin hard ASF to find people who are as not only competitive as I am Buh also as strategic and tactical as I am with a practical amount of game sense, almost EVERYONE I find in this game are 1 game WONDERS they’ll go insane, and match my intensity, listen to call outs AND REACT but then for the next 2-3 games they act like they can’t even shoot there damn gun. Ik all the top players have a server/chat or whatever it is where there all included in and I missed my opportunity to be apart of that because I left after hitting diamond in s2 not returning till the last month of season 3, something needs to be implemented into the way this ranked system works for solo qrs, i have multiple ideas as to how, such as if u q in solo meaning not a prestacked team, I should not lose as much rs, as to if I was in a stack, cause I mean 1500 rs loss?!?! With a team that won’t even stay on point or attempt to defend point?!?! That’s utterly crazy or another thing that would REALLY friggin help and I’d be happy to see is a change in matches I get into meaning closer ranked similarities

[mossy otter]

NERF CL 40

[restive crow]

Rn compi is like who can abuse the 3M stack cl40 more

[bronze pumice]

Not currently but they are working on it

[tired fable]

[sour orchid]

please nerf xp54 and throwing knives

[rough herald]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-a-lot-of-text-lots-of-reading-too-much-reading-corl-corl-horl-gif-14051903

[red echo]

to all the crybaby light mains saying light is weak , maybe play for the objective next time and dont fuck around with cashboxes

[delicate basin]

Please give me some time to change my loadout when I get backfilled. I get 5 seconds max right now

[waxen citrus]

Greetings! I am a Make-A-Wish Foundation associate and I am messaging on behalf of "Born"! His final dying wish is to get THE FINALS to center the HUD in-game! He has Stage 9 Death Disease and would love to see "Embark" add this option so "Ultrawide users can play the game without turning their head to see the health, ammo and other HUD data." Please add HUD BOUNDARIES so his wish can be fulfilled and he can pass happily!

[civic hill]

HI My friend and I would have 2/3 ideas to propose for The Finals: The first is a healing turret that heals 5 to 10 hp per second. this could be a medium or heavy skill The second idea concerns mines that work like breach charges but instead of exploding they attract everything within their range of action, this concerns cashouts, walls, characters and so on... There are 2 types of this mine: the first I have already illustrated to you, the second, instead of attracting objects to itself, repels them. Both mines will not do any damage upon activation unless the player (for example) is lured along with an explosive canister, which would cause an explosion that would kill him instantly. These leads would be perfect for medium but would also work well for light. Thank you for your attention, we are grateful that you have read our ideas and we hope that you contact us as soon as possible. Here are our The Finals player IDs in case you need them: B_HUNTER#5085 STEALTHYSHOTGUN#0365 Thanks again Hunter & Stealthy

[torpid sky]

u mean the light that has more obj score than u and the other medium?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[brittle obsidian]

this screenshot shows nothing

[warm glade]

Whilst MultiCo™ and subsidiaries are very nice to have around, will we ever see partnership with other companies in the Meatspace?
(Fr though would be cool to see a crossover)

[neat yoke]

light is literally supposed to have higher kills and and objetive score(also screenshot shows no gameplay, hate people who rely on end screen stats) 😭

[jagged cedar]

LLL has not been viable once in the entire existence of this game

[upbeat tree]

change reticle color option? colorblindness makes it hard to see a red dot, but color blind modes change the color of enemy teams so when my teammates call out "Orange is pushing us" I have no idea who that is cuz now the colors have changed

[surreal hawk]

i think the heavy's grenade launcher needs a buff, this thing is bootycheeks rn

[worn horizon]

can we get aps turret on every class?

[prisma gyro]

Please stop putting challenges that force me to throw the game in order to complete like "get 50 hs from 50m away" I have to actively not do objective since i have to be 50m away.... and when my teammates are doing the challenge they're likewise useless

[woven needle]

is this real

[red echo]

yes i mean the light that left the last cashbox alone which if he decided to put it in we qualify 100% no way we get out , but instead he preferred to go for kills 1 v 3 and give enemy cashbox and they double it and we lose , but ig he got more objective score so props to him

[sudden tangle]

The balance is extremely bad:

LIGHT is useless in competitive (no news here).

Cl-40 just what?

Medium overall is so broken atm.

Healbeam needs to not stack and heal less if target is taking damage.

Famas is overtuned.

Pike is overtuned.

Model still OP.

Charge and slam is stupid, it shouldn't multi hit the same target with charge and charge damage should build up like slam damage, not instant 130 dmg!

Ridiculous balance embark. Actually sad.

If you want to salvage competitive and actually retain a competitive playerbase you will devote some attention to competitive balance.

Add a separate balance sheet to competitive and start adjusting stuff. Right now Light loses to EVERYTHING at EVERY RANGE.

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[prime raft]

releases season hoping to bring players back, doesnt fix anti cheat

[lime fable]

Split console and pc or buff aim assist again, its just boring now

[past idol]

Deffo need a console only option for ps5 and Xbox. I’d probably reduce the recoil pattern for consoles as pc can control then way easier.

[torpid sky]

why dafuq did u screenshot my pfp💀

[frail gull]

Can we have an update that fix STUTTERS from 3.14. , a lot of players are back but the experience is disastrous AND WE HAVE NO NEWS ABOUT IT

[slow cloak]

Please give us the ability to change the color of the red dot on all sights please, I’d love to be able to use a cyan or yellow sight bc red is hard for me to see at times bc of my eyesight

[shy parcel]

“yes i mean the light that left the last cashbox alone which if he decided to put it in we qualify 100% no way we get out , but instead he preferred to go for kills 1 v 3 and give enemy cashbox and they double it and we lose , but ig he got more objective score so props to him”

[still marsh]

can we please fix the recent players tab, not one person from my previous games are there but ppl from random matches months ago are??

[autumn sedge]

Imo light is bad rn because of the cl being the way it is right now

[night vortex]

I truly feel the game improves vastly be removing defibs. It’s such a slog to fight mediums right now. All these changes and new weapons are completely eclipsed by having to deal with teams multiple times. Heavy getting nerfed over and over because they are unkillable yet we make it possible by being able to defib them. The nerf to healbeam feels like it’s right where it needs to be. It just feels like a lot of problems are solved by not having a free life in the four slot. Grinding through gold is an absolute nightmare right now with the full medium lobbies.

[brittle obsidian]

defib would be fine if mediums were oriented around sustain and didn't also have light-level dps with shit like the model and pike

[sharp creek]

when hipfireing, the revolver should perform similar to the six shooter from fortnite, where it slamfires at a much faster rate.(imo)

[surreal meadow]

CHARGE N SLAM REBALANCE
(More cool less damage)

Less damage on first hit
Less damage per consecutive hit
Breaking 1 piece of wall extends the charge's duration but instantly reduces damage on next hits
If jumping down a story, allow to break 2 floors worth of flooring
If jumping off a jumppad & jumping down a story, allow to break 3 floors worth of flooring

(Makes it destructive and cooler, not a free win button; always wanted to destroy multiple flooring not just 1)

[strange ermine]

Flamethrower rework proposal:

• Increase the range to 30-35m.
• Tighten the cone into a thin stream to accommodate the new range.
• Reduce the damage to 20 or less per tick.
• Increase the mag size to 50.

Currently the Flamethrower is having a bit of an identity crisis, having to compete against the 1216, Sledgehammer, and Spear for dominance as a close quarters option. These proposed changes will help the Flamethrower to carve out it's own niche as a ranged team support weapon that excels at suppression and area denial beyond the capabilities of the 2 machine guns, while not encroaching upon their places as DPS weapons. Additionally this helps alleviate some of the frustrations of players having to fight the current Flamethrower, as it will no longer have the advantage in close quarters and will be significantly less distracting without the rampant particle effects of the cone preventing enemies from accurately aiming.

[hollow flume]

Fr

[prisma harbor]

WHAT THE CL40 IS NOT NERF JUST FUK OFF

[terse slate]

50 Headshots from 50 meters away is even for experts a pain in the butt. Casuals will not clear that challenge.

[wind meteor]

thank god you don't work in any balancing team, because you're clearly delusional ❤️ no stacking healing??? really?? two players sacrificing their firepower and their specialties to support the third teammate, and you don't want them to do that? also, less healing when taking damage? what's the point then, dummy? You clearly lack skill. Embark did a wonderful job, you re requests are the only ridiculous thing in here.

[hazy frost]

i feel like the sights take away from the game more than they give. for example the sights ruin the dynamic between the xp-54 and the m11 as well as the akm and the fcar with one gun having iron sights meant for closer range while the one with the scope was meant for far range

[ionic sand]

the CL40 needs adjusted BADLY. a literal ape on a controller can use the thing. it needs heavily increased self-damage or reduce whatever got buffed, it NEVER needed this adjustment. and for everyone saying "erm just counter it" it takes TWO PEOPLE to effectively counter a single competent CL40 user, see how that doesn't work out?

[wise jolt]

Kyoto is so bad man

[prime raft]

please let us avoid teammates, sick of having the same people go 0-10and have them as my team back to back

[carmine token]

Seconded.
The healing beam cannot outheal any source of damage in the game at this point, and they want it to heal even less when someone's taking damage?
Seems like it all comes down to Lights being mad that they can't 1v2 or 1v3 and win every time. Consider playing with your fucking team sometimes. Two beams can't do shit against two people shooting with middling accuracy at one target, especially if that target IS one of the healers.

[drifting leaf]

stop having penaltys for people who dont get a full swuad in ranked and world tour please

[cold steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/printer-gif-26409386

[signal mica]

Ever since the new update my performance has been fucking worse somehow. I'm failing to get anywhere near even consistent 60 fps. Like dude I straight up do not want to play because of this. It is so annoying.

[somber patrol]

shields as a concept should not exist in this game

[gusty cosmos]

Same, i stopped playing yesterday because it was unbearable. and i’ve been playing since beta. hopefully they fix it before my friends and i get back on

[void rapids]

Kyoto is such a terrible map and it’s even more apparent with the advent of Fortune Stadium.

Kyoto doesn’t feel like a finals map at all. Not its art style, not its style, not its size and not even the way you move around the map. Traversal is painful, jump pads and zip lines are rarely present. Even if you bring your own jump pad/zip, you’re likely to get knocked down by all the bullshit bamboo.
In every other building in a finals map, it the floor above you has a hole blown out, you can mantle upwards, most of the time without needing another object to stand on.
Not Kyoto. Can’t even do that.

It needs to go, or at the very least be reworked.

[lime fable]

This game fucking blows, do they even try out controller, this game is a sweat fest of pc players, look who streams the game, look at who plays the game, look at youtube posts, console has basically left ever since the aim assist nerf and now all pc players can hit there shot but not me, guess imma have to play them on my pc but fuck the balance is terrible

[lusty delta]

i am realy love season 2 sound track and i think music themes switch would be really neat

[daring fossil]

Fix performance issues and crashes introduced in 3.14 I went from maintaining 165 fps at maxed settings in every map to 150 at the main menu and 90-120 in matches. I have also gotten 6 crashes since 3.14 and that's probably more crashes than I've had entirely since launch. Also revert red can change, they should 1-shot a light. Takes twice as much skill than an RPG.

Also revert destruction change, blowing a hole in a building and having the entire building collapse as a result is annoying AF.

[stuck inlet]

more radius/splash damage for breach charges and c4, please! While I see their utility as infiltration tools, I believe they could use maybe the slightest offesnive buff, as well

[tulip condor]

Remove the "Headshot an opponent 50 times from at least 50 meters" challenge. It's not fun in the slightest.

[old falcon]

I have "Kill an opponent with a headshot 50 times from at least 50 meters" and I won't ever be able to complete it, please change it I beg you. The phrasing may not be exact as I don't have the game in english.

[vernal ridge]

Light mains after they cannot kill someone with their weapons in less than 2 seconds 😂

[versed latch]

Found one🫵

[haughty trout]

I REALLY hate using snipers. Can you change the new contract "Headshot 50 opponents from 50 meters away or more" to maybe either hit shots in general or at least lower the required distance?

[violet elbow]

giving/leaving light guns on medium and we wonder why light isnt used

just kill the pike and model already

[crisp belfry]

True like I play on a steam deck and went from 50-60fps to like 30-50fps with a lot of stutter

[tropic root]

A better suggestion is the ability to reshuffle contracts.

[quick coyote]

Embark please bring old back stab animation (day 1)

[fading sinew]

Embark,

I love season 4 and I'm having a blast. The new changes definitely keeps things interesting as I despise a stale game. Please don't nerf anything yet as we are only in week 2 and I think players just need to learn to adapt to things. I will say I am loving the Deagles and definitely the pike. Strong and useful in most situations.

I do have a gripe though. During the game, I couldn't shoot my weapon. Fortunately, a teammate told me to use a utility and it fixed the issue. Please fix as those vital seconds can be crucial to winning. Thank you.

[lapis osprey]

Hi Embark remove SBMM from Powershift I shouldn’t have my ping punished because im slightly above average thats the main reason I quit playing cod, or atleast make it so it prioritizes ping first bro cuz its like every match now I have CONSTANT connection issues to the point I am surprised if I get a lobby where my bullets hit.

[forest mountain]

Okay ima start off saying this so y’all don’t get the wrong idea, I ALWAYS am one of the first ppl in any game I play to ask for a more difficult ranked system because quite frankly in most games just like this one I solo q and can still consistently hit top rank every season, (not top 500 tho I ain’t that crazy nor do I have the time😂) BUT this whole I win 2 back to back games then lose first round now the last hour and a half was waisted BS is really getting on my nerves. Idc how y’all do it or what y’all do but that has to be changed, is this a team comp game? Yes I know this, is this game not meant to solo q in? Yes ik this, but same with apex, overwatch, halo, and siege, yet I still don’t have this much of a urge to throw my controller because a simple 10 minutes set me back almost 2 hours IN GOLD, like that’s what gets me i been bouncing around low play to high gold for this reason. It’s friggin hard ASF to find people who are as not only competitive as I am Buh also as strategic and tactical as I am with a practical amount of game sense, almost EVERYONE I find in this game are 1 game WONDERS they’ll go insane, and match my intensity, listen to call outs AND REACT but then for the next 2-3 games they act like they can’t even shoot there damn gun. Ik all the top players have a server/chat or whatever it is where there all included in and I missed my opportunity to be apart of that because I left after hitting diamond in s2 not returning till the last month of season 3, something needs to be implemented into the way this ranked system works for solo qrs, i have multiple ideas as to how, such as if u q in solo meaning not a prestacked team, I should not lose as much rs, as to if I was in a stack, cause I mean 1500 rs loss?!?! With a team that won’t even stay on point or attempt to defend point?!?! That’s utterly crazy or another thing that would REALLY friggin help and I’d be happy to see is a change in matches I get into meaning closer ranked similarities

[carmine token]

Well good thing the Pike is such an easy to use, brainless weapon that anyone should be able to get this challenge in an hour or less!
(it's a joke, the challenge sounds like a god damned nightmare)
@honest flame Frags/gas grenades/RPG in power shift? Shouldn't be too hard.

[rough herald]

game really want us to be that one guy roof camping

[wise jolt]

pike breaks the game

[honest flame]

I do not think that Killing 5 enemies with a gadget from 40+ meters is physically possible, I thought I got two but Sentry specialization doesn't count. Like 10 meters yknow sure but 40 is insane

[odd ibex]

Rework ideas

3 health beam plus defib it’s crazy,health beam needs to start off at a slow pace for medium and especially heavies and then heal at a normal rate.

Pike is so strange,it’s like a way better revolver,if u could add a more zoomed sight for revolver it would be perfect.
A camping medium with pike’s long range and high fire rate is crazy to deal with.
Pike is a better lh with more health as medium,bad new entry as a weapon.

Pike needs a total hip fire nerf and lower fire rate.

Data reshaper rework should be if u reshape 3 orange barrels then u get one time use of a pyro grenade or gas if u get green canister or glitch grenade if u get 3 blue barrels,your team mates can gather them,so there is teamwork!

Gravity boots for wall running?

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positions and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

[hazy frost]

why cant i wear a watch with the fencing glove the glove goes on the right but the watch normally is on the left

[wheat aspen]

nerf cl40, deagle and dash

[urban cave]

Hey Embark, i just got back to the game recently since as of rn im waiting for the next cod to come out and while i was waiting, i went back to you guys since i missed out on S1, S2, & almost S3, and tbh I'm glad i'm playing this game again after missing out like almost 3 seasons, i came back to game during S3 with 4 days left of it and played power shift for the whole season and i can not believe i missed this mode since S2, and i managed to finish the season 3 battle pass just in time for season 4 and i love it so far, i will keep playing this game and keep supporting you guys till the end. thank you for making The finals, the game that I for the first time of my life i can actually have fun playing a video game, thank you guys!

[timid steeple]

nerf pike

[low gate]

nerf cl

[red ingot]

more knife skins please 😭 🙏

[high wing]

respawn system is so fucking bad, how can embark just make it worse everytime, you get 3rd partied ALL the time now

[haughty trout]

It's not about that. I'm really short sighted irl and it makes it impossible to hit that far without like a 10X zoom on it. And I want the XP so I can't not do it cus I have to go back to school next week so this is the last time I get to properly grind until Christmas (after the end of S4) (this was in reply to MekNaan btw)

[tulip condor]

Challenges should also be at least somewhat fun to do. Neither headshots or gadget kills from 50 meters away are fun in the slightest.

[bright valley]

and it should encourage people doing the objective instead of camping 50m away

[uneven dagger]

allow mediums to tilt jump pads at an angle on flat ground

[somber axle]

• Give 2 charges to C4
• Revert Mesh & Dome shield nerf
• Buff KS-23
• Buff m60 damage
• Buff Dual blades
• Give smoke grenades to medium
• Make a feature to select the Season music

[hollow talon]

is anyone experiencing graphic problems rn after the recent update?

[rapid stream]

C4 is fine
Dome is fine
KS is fine
M60 is fine

[brittle obsidian]

i wouldn't mind m60 having 100 rounds, the ttk is fine but its upside of fat mag isn't really enough to make it stand out against lewis' superior range

[late orchid]

The CL40 was seriously over buffed. It's an absolute shit-show of a game to play at the moment because of the grenade spam.

[waxen citrus]

Greetings! I am a Make-A-Wish Foundation associate and I am messaging on behalf of "Born"! His final dying wish is to get THE FINALS to center the HUD in-game! He has Stage 9 Death Disease and would love to see "Embark" add this option so "Ultrawide users can play the game without turning their head to see the health, ammo and other HUD data." Please add HUD BOUNDARIES so his wish can be fulfilled and he can pass happily!

[pine quarry]

Nerf grenade launcher its just so op

[upper citrus]

Allow the KS to 2 tap walls so that it’s lower than average damage for a heavy weapon can be offset by the ability to replace C4 (a must pick gadget in high elo due to dropping cashouts) with another gadget.

[untold token]

Whoever made the 50 headshots from 50 meters task should reconsider making tasks in general
It narrows you down to a single weapon (if you don't have max graphics and perfect sight to use others) and takes you away from the main battlefield

[inland river]

Is anyone else having trouble getting the 5 gadget kills at 40+ meters to track? I got two kills yet no progress was made, However I could be wrong. Was just wondering if it was me being dumb or not.

[rough herald]

convert half of cl40 damage to a bonus damage on direct hit

@upper citrus now its really easy for my teammate to tell im missing shot lol

[finite galleon]

remove glitch mines from the game. in what game does dropping a gadget at your feet instantly break the opponent's entire loadout...

[mighty vault]

Cant find match from cachout rules in SA (both WT and ranked) having to play on NA servers with tons of lag, awful experience.

We can only find maches (really fast tho) in casual modes like QC and PS.

Please find a way to put SA players in WT and ranked too.

ps: crossplay aways on.

[amber grove]

i think the best thing to do for cl-40 is reduce the splash damage radius

[echo radish]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/6zdqrcnjRR I made a post that Why CL-40 right now feels so busted with detailed information, graphs and FAQ. I hope CL-40 got proper treat, not just nerfing a damage

[velvet inlet]

CL40 is OP, every damn lobby has at least 3 Mediums using it to the point that the fucking sound of it gets annoying.
The fact that you can take 3-4 projectiles at close range and not die while using it makes it OP. People is abusing that fact and using it almost as a shotgun with buffed AOE.
While Heavy deals less dmg with RPG but will lose 2/3 of its life in close range, funny enough, both are grenades technically.
If you lose 1/2 life as a medium with your own grenade standing by, you should do so with the CL40...

[winter vapor]

They need incremental variance based on distance and SELF DAMAGE so it becomes a skill based weapon.

The fact you can mindlessly walk up to anyone, shoot your own feet and kill everyone around you makes your game one of the most brainless, mindless noob enabling participation award that exists aside from slime rancher.

[lime kraken]

Dear devs,
When can we expect console keyboard mouse support?
Can u bring it by this year end at least???

[swift shuttle]

two bits of feedback:

1. I'm glad that the red team color seems to have been removed from cashout for contrast issues with pink/orange; could we possibly see a green team color in the mix?

2. since now world tour doesn't have team wipe cash penalties and ranked doesn't have random game events, it feels like there's not a "definitive" cashout mode option; world tour could do with wipe penalties again to allow more room for last-minute upsets, if ranked is set in stone to be a hyper-competitive environment

p.s. the cl-40 is in a good place presently the only time people are going to survive suicide-bombing with it is if their opponent misses every single shot and mindlessly runs into the cl-40 user

[fallow idol]

For the love of God nerf stunning gun

[shadow patio]

stop giving me people that are new to the game for teammates especially in ranked

[slim dove]

I am going insane PLEASE DO SOMETHING WITH CL40! IT'S STUPIDLY BROKEN! NO SKILL NEED TO USE IT

[olive notch]

Anyone else has those "tutorials" in the menu constantly popping up everywhere, every day ?

[rocky comet]

Yeah. How do you turn them off? I scoured the settings but might've missed it

[spice dagger]

Sniper velocity should be increased to like 1000m/s it feels like 600m/s or something, it feels way too slow. Give a slight travel time to the Pike as well, like 800m/s or something, so you can actually challenge people with it. Strafe spam is annoying..

[high frost]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-homer-poopies-burp-simpsons-gif-15250816692776027156

[vestal igloo]

fr

[warped moat]

Embark Ty for holding right click with dagger. But can you add that by only 1 light right click he attack too?

[swift laurel]

make aps useful again its so bad since it got nerfed

[tropic root]

or, you know, they use a weapon that is effective in close range? which the cl shouldn't be surviving in especially with multiple opponents as the other guys said?

also, regardless of ttk or having to hit direct hits to get max damage to kill, chip damage is still damage, and it resets your healing cooldown which forces you to either back down and retreat because you can't hide behind cover or react to it since it's uses impact grenades with the 30cm explosion radius, or push injured. it is the very definition of oppressive and annoying which is unfun for most casual players.

[finite galleon]

How about disabling problematic items temporarily until they are balanced or reworked properly instead of forcing it down everyone's throats, since apparently even pike needs more than 1 week to realize it's extremely overpowered

[night vortex]

Please get rid of defibs. It makes the lower-mid ranks a miserable experience. Grinding to plat right now and it’s been nothing but mediums, with some heavy sprinkled in. Please tell me that goes away in Plat?

[bold silo]

INSULTING DUMB DEVS TO SEE IF THEY EVEN READ THIS

RANKED IS BROKEN, MAKE INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTION COUNT FOR POINTS EARNED/LOST

ALMOST 1 YEAR AND 6 SEASON AND YOU CANNOT MAKE RANKED LOK

[final mist]

Can someone give me an advise? I have a challenge - Kill 5 enemies with gadets from more than 40m away. thx.

[broken herald]

nerf model1887, pike and cl40

[vague shadow]

Yes 🙏

[wise jolt]

pike breaks the game, its incredibly strong and 1 pike on a MMM team completely disables u to rotate. able to bully u from half the map away. this game is not meant to be for long range fights

[river plover]

its sad to me that the only counter to CL-40 rn would be to buff something else from medium, Im getting so annoyed by fighting triple medium teams

[pearl mica]

The CL-40 is fucking busted when will you fix it

[stable helm]

nah like all the distance contracts its ridiculously difficult to achieve. I've been trying for the last 7 hours and im on 1. Contracts aren't very well thought out

[coral forum]

To address this problem I present a potential solution. (Ranked only) Defib will not be able to charge unless you are close enough to the player trophy. Similar to stealing a cashout or a hard revive (without defib). The difference is the time required to revive is cut in half when you have a defib. It will make hitting a defib a much more compromising move and will force better positioning and make it much more difficult to do durring a gunfight. Thoughts?.......

Statue: "I like the idea posted yesterday that glitch grenades could cancel a hologram of a reviving player from a defib." - I like this too, similar to how it cancels gateway.

[burnt meadow]

why the fuck am i getting screwed over for leaving a ranked when one of my teammates have fully left the game? its a waste of time and a guaranteed loss if i even try

[unreal shuttle]

nerf light for god sake

[upper coyote]

The model 1887 2 shotting mediums point blank and doing 70+ at mid range is an overlooked issue ngl

[brittle creek]

I like the idea posted yesterday that glitch grenades could cancel a hologram of a reviving player from a defib.

[crimson crag]

Get an anti-cheat that works

[versed latch]

This is crazy

[swift shuttle]

given this is a team game with 30 different weapons and effectively infinite loadout combinations, we could go back and forth on hypotheticals until we're blue in the face
the bottom line is that the complaints about the cl-40 being a feet-blasting noobtube are massively overblown when that complaint requires the user to take absolutely no other damage from any other weapon to survive (other factors of the cl-40's significant weaknesses notwithstanding); the only change it needs is a steeper, sloped curved damage dropoff near max damage rather than the inconsistent stepped damage levels

[bronze pumice]

Can we take Kyoto out of the WT pool until performance issues introduced in S4/4.1 are resolved? Map is borderline unplayable on console atm

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[robust pawn]

the quest that asks 50m headshot for 50 times is... outrageous

[high wing]

Season 4 of The Finals is a major disappointment. Embark prioritizes metrics over quality, leaving players frustrated with a lackluster update and zero transparency.

Technical issues remain rampant: lag, desync, poor hit registration, crashes, and a respawn system that actively hurts competitive integrity.

Gameplay is unbalanced: Defibrillator trivializes death and should be a specialization. Heal Beam is overtuned. Parkour, while fun, is inconsistent.

Social features are barebones: no friend leaderboards, limited communication options, and no way to view friend ranks without being in a party.

Critical issues are ignored: rampant cheating, lack of player profiles, store currency not displayed locally, poor spectator mode, and uninspired map design. Ranked mode is particularly neglected, with no protection for players experiencing teammate disconnects and no rank score restoration when cheaters are banned.

Embark, we need action, not empty promises. Address these issues, communicate openly, and prioritize quality over quick fixes. The Finals has potential, but only if you start listening to your players and not the data/excel sheet.

[rapid stream]

PARKOUR??? LIKE PARKOUR CIVILIZATION THE MOVIE PART 1 AND 2??? THAT PARKOUR??

[drifting leaf]

cheating & player leaving penaltys for players who stay

[winter vapor]

So...use grenades ?

[dim root]

still better than S3

[upper citrus]

The cl-40 is incredibly bad if you’re dealing self damage. The combination of self damage + damage from the enemy means you will always lose. The issue with the cl40 is that it’s too easy to use against casuals and melee users. Self damage wouldn’t fix that. They’ll probably just implement the fire rate nerf from that patch notes that never actually went through

[amber grove]

i think this seems like an issue of your skill department, id prescribe some copium for daily use to resolve this

[night vortex]

Yes, some sort of counter play would be nice. As it stands I’m dealing with people leaping from the top floor of the Engimo building like they’re playing assassins creed with the paddles charged and landing for an instant revive. And the invuln let’s then get away half of the time.

@amber grove here’s the attention you’re seeking. Go away and tell your mom to put that chat log on the fridge for you. Your macky n cheesies are ready anyway.

[wraith orchid]

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

[red echo]

corny af(js kidding bro)

[smoky dawn]

Remove crossplay

[bold silo]

I GET 3X 29K ELO TEAM AGAINST ME AND GUY IN MY TEAM IS 16K, DEVS ARE DUMB OR TROLLING OR BOTH

[coral forum]

Bump: Keep this alive and we might see an update next week.
To address this problem I present a potential solution. (Ranked only) Defib will not be able to charge unless you are close enough to the player trophy. Similar to stealing a cashout or a hard revive (without defib). The difference is the time required to revive is cut in half when you have a defib. It will make hitting a defib a much more compromising move and will force better positioning and make it much more difficult to do durring a gunfight. Thoughts?.......

Statue: "I like the idea posted yesterday that glitch grenades could cancel a hologram of a reviving player from a defib." - I like this too, similar to how it cancels gateway.

[olive fulcrum]

Thank you for making ranked actually challenging to climb, and easy to fall in. I much prefer my rank to reflect my ability to win vs my ability to grind.

[signal basin]

https://vxtwitter.com/THEFINALS_India/status/1841810440818471227?t=PjyYNtn7kaY7XRs0rSjTZA&s=19

[quick coyote]

convert half of cl40 damage to a bonus damage on direct hit

[tropic root]

It's funny how they nerfed sniper because it was oppressive in certain modes despite not being "OP" or "Overly successful."

but, here we have the CL40, which people are crying about for being oppressive while the CL mains say "it's not OP" and "it's easily countered." and has yet to be nerfed. where's the consistency?

[coarse plover]

Please. Nerf CL40.

[paper oak]

as a medium player, i agree on the cl40 nerf

[ocean parrot]

i mean it just takes time, its been a week since the update after all

[rare copper]

please buff the cl 40, im having trouble getting enough kills with it and constantly losing 1 on 1s

[frozen furnace]

Embark please nerf cl40.. It's unplayable..

[wise jolt]

lol, try enjoying duck and cover with the pike in the game xD

[woven flame]

CL40 is fun
idc what you do to it lmao

[hollow dune]

nice ranked matchmaking

[true harness]

I don't quite understand why the team defender bonus is still a thing. The game shouldn't be tilted for one team, just because they're holding an active cashout. The playing field for respawning should be even, regardless of the situation.

[paper rose]

Re-roll challenges for 500 VR on contracts, PLEASE

[torpid sky]

the should've done that at the end of last season for ppl who was trying to finish the bp but they didn't for somereason

[keen lily]

this game fucking sucks, you ruined it with cl-40 buff and pike addition, dumb devs

[green light]

Pls nerf CL40

[harsh plinth]

i second this

[slim verge]

pls buff vault my friend punched it to the atm and it just bounces back twice

[nocturne torrent]

Negative

[charred ivy]

Have not seen much discussion regarding it, so. Ranked matchmaking, and the new seeding system.

Honestly, good work.

Overall it is a good system, but as always, if you are an outlier, you are pretty fucked.

As i see, if you are ~35k+ , maybe even 30k+, and play soloq only, you are going to climb either super slowly, or you won't.

Sure, in theory our seeding is 1, but in reality it is far from it most of the time. Its rare i actually had 2 team mates who were good enough for our seeding, as noone will play their best every single game.

Losing points unless you win is, far from fun.

I'm honestly not entirely sure what i'd do differently, as you cannot really do much about it, considering there are not enough players in higher ranks, simple as that. People are also being hard-boosted by the CL40, some absolutely.. not good enough players for what their current rank is, as it is beyond broken.

I guess it'd be possible to implement a system for bonus points depending on how you did, but then the overall point gains have to be nerfed, and i'd assume noone wants that. Also very hard to actually implement a fair system for counting how somebody did.
I'm honestly not sure about a solution to the issue, but i'm also no game designer, so i do hope the team at Embark will have a solution to this, but i'm guessing there won't be one, as the issue is simply not enough players at higher ranks playing at times. I guess i'm happy to wait 5-10 mins for a better match, though.

As for other things, I'd personally nerf Charge and Slam a bit, i do think the initial 130 damage is too much for it. Pike is strong, possibly too strong, i'd nerf it a bit i guess, unsure by how much. Akimbo is a bit too accurate imo, atleast from what i've played with it, when ADSing, it is a bit too strong, but stats will tell more about that.

[glad ginkgo]

Put a sight on the bow PLEASE !!!

[frank gull]

just focusing on 1) I agree having to rely completely on *L mobility,Zip/jump, Gate W., or APS can be a bit situational when defending the cash out while all utility is great in game it can be a bit predictable in a 1 v 1, or limited in a 3 v 3
Arguments like yours &
#👂┇game-feedback message are making too much sense.
R.P.G DmG is debatable but I feel you @unreal fossil . Personally would have lowered the damage but increased utility.
Giving the RPG A extra bullet & better multiplier against in game Objects.

#👂┇game-feedback message - FCAR meta would have been nice, but direct impact might be a better.

• #👂┇game-feedback message @flat saddle WoW... Just checked & holy balanced that weapon shouldn't shine at close range. I.M.O
• #👂┇game-feedback message - @ocean sphinx I haven't played enough to run into THAT yet...
  Hopefully APS can tank more projectiles soon.
• #👂┇game-feedback message. @hazy shore 🫶🏽
• #👂┇game-feedback message - mesh bouncing off CL shots probably would have been 🔥
• #👂┇game-feedback message
  🗣️ 📣 Embark consider allowing APS to tank more projectiles
  @glacial knot

[smoky dawn]

Atleast remove crossplay ranked

[upbeat tree]

Al the mediums saying self damage on it is too much lol

[mossy wharf]

Nerf the CL40 to the ground and never make it good again. I was defending the buff up until now. It's not healthy for the game and takes zero skill to use.

[slender oasis]

Okay so hear me out; Why did you mention in 4.0 patchnotes that you "Didn't want to leave loadout unlocked for competetive bc of counterpicking" when the same thing is happening in WT? If it's supposed to be more casual I'd think that this would be left locked as well to disallow people to do the exact strats you found unfair enough to ban for competitive. Like I get that you guys feel like it's a great idea and allows people to be more relaxed but have you seen your own community? The competitive players are fucking cockroaches that will crawl thru any crack, crevice, or loose walling to get to a W and they have 0 regard to how the game functions or runs or how it should to ensure a good experience for all.

TL;DR Devs: Lock the loadouts again for WT, people are toxic and will exploit it and your patchnotes from 4.0 clearly show you know, as comp-roach players have always exploited with that sorta setting.

PS, didn't ask, don't care, don't talk to me regular server goers

[normal crag]

Who thought it was a good idea to make us do 50 headshots from 50m ?

[valid bay]

The cashbox physics need some reworking. Ive been thinking this for a while, but my last game just solidified my thoughts. I got to the final round in a ranked tourny and the first cashbox got stuck under the ground by maybe 10ft. Neither team could get it out and it turned into a 20 minute deathmatch resulting in us somehow taking second place…? Was it just based on kills then?

I also hate it when the cashbox falls off the map and then teleports back to the other side of the map.