👂┇game-feedback

[winter sparrow]

Thank u for the silence nerf on invis light it was really needed plus we get 3 shots and model yeah ty embark

[wicked basin]

Dagger main here, so far I am enjoying the game with dagger, however the current reworks has really pushed me to find a new playstyle. I find frustration in backstabs since sometimes, I am not sure if I actually charged the dagger enough. I feel like if there was a audible queue, or a flash animation to show that the dagger has fully charged, it would make it much easier to play dagger in a fast paced scenario. The current audio cue for the charging dagger is not quite audible to me when I am playing. I do not play much sword, so I do not know how those players handle the audio queues, but on dagger, it just does not feel right to play with. The changes to the dagger and vaulting have overall left dissapointment for me. I find myself vaulting to hold a backstab only to learn that my backstab was not even charging. It feels like dagger is overall a more slowpaced/methodical weapon than before, and vaulting feels kind of sluggish. I imagine that adding the ability to buffer a backstab like you can with a bow shot when vaulting would make the dagger feel much more enjoyable to use! This problem with vaulting is something that pops up most frequently when I play powershift, since you end up jumping the platform all the time. Another change that I find inconsistent/confusing, is that you dont even have the option to just rightclick dagger. I can see how maybe the same mechanism for sword was ported over, but the throwing knives have the option for both! I dont understand how you can add the option for both a click/hold for throwing daggers, but then did not add that to the dagger.

Overall, I feel like my experience with dagger in the new season has been fun because it is just something new to try out! I love the fact that you can hold the dagger backatab, HOWEVER, since the charge seems to have come from the sword, the weapon feels a lot less responsive, leading to a much less enjoyable experience compared its former mechanics.

[hasty widget]

CL-40 is just impossible man did they really buff them that hard, i just played a match where i was in a players face, he had low hp and he shot a grenade at his feet and he just didnt lose any health, is this normal ?

[pliant lion]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1290063450739048470

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 36)\

[keen lily]

FIX THE MATCHMAKING, tired of being matched with new players who don't know how to count and go for wrong cashouts

[dusty fox]

Season 4 sucks more than the previous ones

[tribal elm]

yupper

[nimble kiln]

Wait, it's true

[sonic spoke]

Best idea today.

[smoky gust]

the dagger changes are really throwing me off

please make a single tap do what dagger used to do, and let holding the button do what it does now
the best of both worlds

[midnight quartz]

Um so I have this issue right now where I can’t load into ANYTHING & all my characters are invisible I can’t customize or pick anything

[tidal compass]

OK the medium launcher needs a nerf I just went against a 3 stack of mediums all with launchers nd couldn't do anything also I think a class limmiter could be good like max of 2 of the same class

[vital raven]

Probably not the greatest when you play a ranked match, make it to the next round, then it loads and puts us into another in progress match in LAST PLACE, then we lose, and for whatever reason GET A MATCH BAN WHEN I"M KICKED BACK TO MENU WTF WAS THATTT???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[surreal meadow]

save respawn coins!
use your respawn coin!

new voicelines to wheel, or at least when holding ping on ur teammate have this option

[woeful arch]

For the map designs, could we stop having some massive blocks/backrooms inspired builds and go for things like

• a tropical beach with palm trees?
• Or a bank with offices and conference rooms and vaults?
• a swimming pool with locker rooms or even a waterpark resort
• a movie complex with a bunch of seats facing a giant screen
  I get the game is about parkour/urban trail but it'd be nice to have a bit of the everyday life activities immersion.

[undone cedar]

Why the medium dosnt have smoke bomb 😡😡 noone use that item

[shell raven]

while cl40 did need a buff from its previous state, im sure im not the only one who thinks its too strong now, especially in close quarters combat

[terse flower]

I wouldn't say it is too strong, more than it strenght is an absolute joke from embark

[abstract ermine]

I’m talking about the matchmaking and balancing not my skill my issue with the games matchmaking is that it forces everyone to always play at this try hard level I like sweating and getting high kill games and just winning overall but the matchmaking feels like it’s there to punish you when you’re doing you’re best and plus it’s quick match it should be chill. Personally I feel like the finals quick match should be as casual as possible for new players and anyone who wants to just enjoy the gameplay for what it is and ranked is obviously still there for people looking for a challenge when the whole game is a challenge there’s really no point

[gusty widget]

dayum server are dying right now XD

[last mirage]

the damage is now great and should be kept the way it is, but it needs damage falloff for long-range fights, the dash needs to be reworked to mitigate the damage done to light. other than that it would be fair for everyone.

[frank gull]

Hopefully Embark allows for MnK compatibility on console & allow for input segregation instead of console segregation.

[fair spear]

whats going on with the servers? everytime i die my revive token goes far AF away from where i died, like 200m far away

[crystal umbra]

Shout out to Todd Dwyer ‼️‼️

I love this shit so much bro

[midnight quartz]

Um so I have this issue right now where I can’t load into ANYTHING & all my characters are invisible I can’t customize or pick anything

[upper citrus]

This guy throws my games and calls me names in game chat

[sharp briar]

Yo I really wish there was a steyr Aug for medium, and a kriss vector for medium. And I would really fw a tommy gun for heavy (kingpin build)

[night glen]

I think Embark broke their servers. The network or their net code is making shits that should miss and have not been missing the past couple of days, miss today. I hope this gets fixed or it will spell the end of this game.

[drifting osprey]

Remove losing ranked score when both your teammates leave the game, absolutely ridiculous. Can’t even play ranked, if this keeps happening definitely will be uninstalling

[rain epoch]

A couple things, after Season 3 launch, and how horriblely broken the LH1 was, I dunno how someone thought giving am even stronger LH1 to a 250 HP class with heals and movement was the move. It needs a nerf, bad, has zero downsides, close range far range, any range doesn't matter.

But The biggest thing wrong is ranked.

Three things

30% deposit
10% cash on wipe
and the "enhanced" spawns.

Because you get 30% of deposits to "combat third parties" you end up with something far worse.

Literally almost every game, the last cashout will get doubled by the number 1 or number 2 team and now they get a free pass in, while you have to fight 4 teams, but one team is just griefing who they want in.

You can't even punish the first place team because guess what? Only 10% on wipe so as second place team you just get bent and have to fight the whole lobby.

The spawns are horrible, I wiped a team on vault, and they literally spawned on the deposit point before I even had time to deposit it.

They get rewarded for losing the fight in the first place.

Spawns put losing teams in all kinds of positions to grief, it's insane.

[fickle cloak]

buff the xp on rpg if your nerfing the damage on it

[keen lily]

game is in terrible shape after balance changes, change your balancing team! make them play the game to see how it feels instead of looking at the powerpoint presentations

[gloomy lark]

NERF THE LIGHT SWORD DASH FOR GODSAKE

[burnt cosmos]

I agree. Worst part of the game every season.

[violet matrix]

They create an event to revive "digital money" and create new game modes, the game has become very repetitive and boring, it had become my favorite shooter, it's a shame they have abandoned it

[delicate basin]

Did you guys ever consider that Heavy might atract more big brain players and that's why their winrate is higher?

[river heath]

i just feel really sad reading all of this ngl I hope the balancing brings people back and makes the community happy.

[gusty widget]

exactly what im thinking :/

[visual spruce]

its actually not the same lh1. lh1 has better rate of fire compared to the pike. lh1 can deal more damage than pike within very small amount of time than pike even it has a 50 damage and it requires 3 body shots to take down a light. if u can manage to have better movements with lh1.in experience, try to improve the playstyle.

[frank gull]

Maybe a revert will be best, I never used the weapon so I don't know how ridiculous linear is compared to impact, or maybe just buffing APS AOE & not let projectiles take so much health off.
Weapons should be destroying Aps not gadgets... The very thing it's supposed to counter.
Glitch grenades take away everything for a few seconds, at least allow APS to counter gadgets/ projectiles for a few more seconds.
They can be destroyed in 1 - 2 sec.
#👂┇game-feedback message

[upper citrus]

Yeah, no. This is absolutely a team game at heart. And if something sucks because it’s only good in a coordinated setting, that’s completely okay. Stun gun was reworked to be a teamfight tool, tracking dart is only really useful with a coordinated team, mesh shield was just okay without a coordinated team, etc.

If you don’t like the teamplay elements of this game, play bank it or respectfully just play call of duty instead of advocating for changes that go against the core design of the game.

[rough storm]

okaaaaaaaaay,

-Nerf Pike hard,
-Nerf Akimbo's a tiny tiny tiny bit,
-Revert that sword AND CL-40 buff,
-Remove that rediculous Mesh Shield cooldown,
-and finaly, nerf that goddamn Model into oblivion as everyone has been begging for since a few weeks ago.

When yall are done with that, fix your spawns. I should not spawn 150m away from my 2 alive teammates that are defending the cashout from a third/fourth party AS A HEAVY.
Or the team you just killed spawns closer to the cashout than you have time crossing the field to reach said cashout.
I don't need decreased spawn timers i just don't want to cross half the map to get to my team/cashout

(also; XP and AK nerf were not necessary, but that's just my opinion)

[warm glade]

Hell yeah

[young hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1042886704996028416/1288121057856852030/caption.gif

[molten trail]

remove low gravity

[merry grove]

REAL

[sharp jasper]

Fortune Stadium would be by far the best map, if it wasn't so fragile

[tough anchor]

EMBARK! OPTIMIZE THE GAME ON SERIES S AND MY LIFE (and wallet) IS YOURS!

[green spoke]

Tbh for the sword yeah i think need a nerf little bit like make it damage 120 because i have been playing the sword like freaking insane killing everyone but if the sword need to nerf give a like dash buff like can dash 4 times or the cd make it faster...

And for the medium, pls pls pls nerf the CL - 40, I Fight them like too many, the damage that gun deal to me like it's so freaking annoying, even i play as a heavy, my health bar going down so fast

[frail wave]

deadlock (invite only alpha) already has features we've been requesting since OB1

[mellow geyser]

The game is in real trouble. It’s getting less fun, not more fun. So many missteps.

[sage sonnet]

WHY DO GOO BOUNCE. goo canisters are 50/50 whether they bounce or actually get used

[chrome sluice]

idk if anything has changed from before in the server but im been getting a lot of lag recently and i do not know why (i live in the middle east)

[regal salmon]

Cashout is horrible now. And seems geared (combined with the nerfs) to favour aggro streamer types, with all the strategy and risk removed.

I've quit (for the time being at least - maybe for good) because all signs seem to me like the game is at the start of a sellout phase, where it's just going to end up as CoD with jump pads.

I'll be back in a few weeks to check out my Emerald 1 rewards. But if they haven't reverted any of the horrible S4 rebalancing, i'll consider it a sign to move on before the real rot sets in.

Nothing lasts forever, sadly.

[placid hazel]

Why buff the medium gernade laucnher it takes sno skill and why mnake every good gun have blom

[brisk garden]

how do top 10 players get into my solo queue lobbies? 😭 😭 😭 😭

[rough monolith]

Every single ranked game is just explosions

[delicate marlin]

the amount of time you have to spend grinding for weapons is crazy.

Also I wouldnt nerf the grenade launcher or the pike. Just buff counters to it. Mesh shield is decent for countering long range weapons, buff that. Heavy with his large hp is strong to nade launcher, buff heavy in general

[halcyon depot]

Why would you want to use a light build?

There are three builds with health: 150, 250, and 350. Choosing a build with only 150 is foolish unless you're skilled enough to know that you won't die if you don't get hit by enemy attacks.
If you don't have that kind of skill, it's only natural that you'll die if you use it!

[unreal fossil]

I just ran into severe lag tonight. Made it to the finals in WT only to be unable to help my team as I was struggling with freezes and rollbacks all the time. I hope the next patch is focused on performance improvements and a few balance changes because this will seriously make people lose interest for the game fast.

[agile mauve]

bad take. 2 weapons that need slight adjustment dont mean a whole class should get buffed\

[past idol]

Ps5 and Xbox crossplay. Bring equity and fairness to the finals.

[warped halo]

anyoene know a fix for not being able to connect to a match? Like 7/10 matches say lost connection or I get infinite loading map loading screen.

[versed cloud]

Nerf the model

[frank gull]

I believe it's because in high *Elo if you can't do Combo plays you're USELESS to the team... Most *L are used to stomping pubs, but hit a skill wall when playing ranked. Mobility can be predicted if played recklessly. I believe the problem is majority of players trying *L don't play to practice around the team, like *M & *H are typically expected to.
*L players will focus on a *Fun experience typically. focusing on staying alive & getting kills through mobility, however a typical mistake I see *L doing is not rotating back to team. Losing utility from tools like Mesh, Dome, Heal B., & Defib, used to be *L best lifeline when near death, or trying to reset.

[rough storm]

i run a pc of 2000€. What is this this season?
I literally just now crashed 2 times in a row RANKED GAME.
All my progress of last few hours down the drain again. Thx embark. Fix ur season.
Not even gonna bother trying anymore. That was it for me. Might check in after the next update/patch. Peace

[modest dew]

please nerf charge and slam into the dirt, ill get on my hands and knees and beg

[rough hinge]

People still suggesting stuff that will never be looked at

Finals has been 📉 since season 2

[late raft]

why am I starting a world tour game with 2 ppl wtf

[next rock]

Charge and slam is super fun and balanced to play against. Think it's a great idea to give an instant "win me this fight" button

[last mirage]

again I aint saying this game isn't a team game, however, we already have team games where other teams rely on players having the correct "metas" and "roles" so many times over, and I think this game benefits by having people think outside the box when it comes to personal plays away from the team. I shouldn't get yelled at by other players for not running the "correct" weapons, gadgets, specializations, etc. If I know how to make myself useful to the team on my own, then I should be left alone. right now medium is a generalist class, they can have a team of mediums and still work together properly. They can act on their own individually. when you play melee on medium, you would become dependent on your team to be useful outside of your area. light has to work around other teammates to make themselves be viable. However, whenever there are 3 lights on a team, they tend to fall apart. yet you want to know why light players complain about the class being weak? It's because they can't act independently away from the team because of their health and movement while firing being slow. they have to rely on 3rd partying/cheesing to make themselves useful in teams of light. if they only gave him a way to avoid damage and make themselves better in combat other than a dash, then they wouldn't have the problem of dying quickly. Half of heavys weapons are short-ranged. you have to rely on other teammates to use the short-range weapons in the game. if we are having rooftop battles and I'm carrying a sledgehammer. at best, I place barricades for my team. at worst, it becomes a 2 v 3. We shouldn't restrict heavy to relying on their teammates for that half of the weapons to be usable otherwise. being able to be independent on their own puts less pressure on other teammate's classes, and less pressure makes class player teamwork better if not more fulfilling. we don't need casual to bank off of every player working together constantly, that will only make the community more toxic

[tepid summit]

dual swords need to reflect nades and nade launcher stuff, that would be epic

[deft moth]

it doesn't?, shame

[vocal bloom]

me when i spawn right where the enemy team spawns so i die immediately

[upper citrus]

You are just describing good game design though. Classes need to have downsides to remain balanced.

You’re kinda right about light but the reason they die fast isn’t because they only have a dash, it’s because the dash is relatively bad and in higher elo, players can just track it.

Instead of saying “heavy should be able to have long range weapons to take ranged fights” just tell your team to avoid certain areas where your team comp would play poorly. It’s a huge element of strategy in this game to play around areas that fit your team comp and loadout. This game is already very loose with how it does class roles. Light can play in a million different playstyles and provide value for the team in many different ways. Heavy can play offensively with charge and winch or defensively with goo gun and mesh shield (RIP).

The issue of being yelled at for not taking the correct loadout is just a balancing issue, especially with mediums not taking defib or heal beam. That can be fixed though.

Everyone I know that plays this game is in love with the teamplay aspect of it. I think the real best way to fix the issue is by adding an LFG menu in game and better social features so you can match with other people who can see your loadout before joining

[cold lotus]

EMBARK FIX THE GAME BRUH NERF THE CL40

[night vortex]

What do we do to make it so the other things besides defib/heal aren’t considered throwing?

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 36)

[slim rampart]

So a weapon that kills a light in 2 shots that you don't even have to aim, is better than a shotgun in close quarters. It is balanced and healthy for the game yes?

[glacial knot]

CL40 is broken need nerf please

[abstract geyser]

Why is the start of every season so overtuned?

The Pike is dominating every ranked match now, if you don't have a pike player you're basically throwing. AK nerf hits so hard its unplayable if a cl40 or pike exists in the match.

The CL40 absolutely obliterates in close quarters even against the Model

Light's got the XP nerfed so it can't even try to counter the Pike and it loses to M11 with a red dot.

Heavies only option is charge n slam because of mesh shield changes

Was none of this tested?

[shrewd oriole]

deagles better hipfire pls

[icy marsh]

Soooooo why can I not dash out of a little time price of goo the heavy shot at my toes - why can I be trapped like this ;-;

[daring fossil]

get rid of the fire penalty on the double-barrel, literally every light weapon kills you before you can fire your second shot.

And fix whatever you did to ziplines, If you go across the zipline on vegas now it just throws you off the end instead of dropping you on the platform like it used to.

Also fix the performance loss and crashes you introduced in 3.14

[rapid rover]

I just wanted to point out that it is incredibly unfair to have your rank tanked because your teammates keep leaving the match and or you keep placing with crazy high ranks for placement matches

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @celest bone @thick cipher @frail prawn @wraith orchid @cyan crane @lunar vault @river plover @tawdry tree Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[west moat]

It'd be nice if there was no ranked deductions, can't ever find a team because people are too toxic so I'm hard stuck silver for your exact reason

[harsh isle]

World tour is being choked by third parties

[warped wraith]

^^^^

[delicate thicket]

i might’ve said this before but i think it’d be really nice if we could load into the firing range with a multiplayer party just to mess around or even while queuing

[uneven dagger]

Guts sword skin for sledgehammer

[stray rampart]

💯

[quick coyote]

I craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaash !

[last mirage]

you want to know why heavys are now using ranged weapons and charge n slam more now after this update? It's because they can still be independent and can help the team in fights no matter what, with now that the shields are nerfed and RPG isn't usable for damage from afar for short-ranged heavys. they can be self-sufficient and can help the team no matter the situation. people don't like to talk in games, we shouldn't balance a game only on the aspect of ranked. people don't want to talk/type to people when playing a game casually, we shouldn't expect people to get along in a game unless it's something like ranked. heavy melee players in casual shouldn't have to talk to people to make group decisions. the RPG was good for those short-ranged weapons so that they can provide that extra bit of range when heavy needs it. I mentioned earlier that I wanted to give heavy a secondary, one that would force close-ranged players deal damage medium-range to at least follow up close ranged, it would take the role of the RPG but it has a lot more focus on player damage rather than destruction. I know the idea of having the loadouts and strategies are nice when they fit like puzzle pieces forming a team structure, that fits together to make a force to be reckoned with sounds nice in theory. however, this is the same design for Overwatch along with many other mobas that exist in the market. games that rely on other players to do jobs/actions makes people hostile at times. you've seen it in League of Legends, you've seen it in Overwatch. this game relies on it being chaotic for gamemodes like Cashbox, it would not make sense for gameplay about order and working together in unison to be used in a game where "this is the correct strategy/defense" when the building can collapse the defense of a team holding the cashout. no class should risk themselves having glaring weaknesses on themselves in order to help out the rest of the team, it should benefit everyone when working together.

[smoky gust]

To achieve that they need to be equal in power

That means either:
A. nerfing these 2
Or
B. Buffing everything else

Buffing everything else is a bad idea imo
Non-problematic items like frags would become incredibly frustrating, as they would either need a damage up (enabling 1-shots), aoe imcrease (meaning you have a way harder time escaping) or amount buff (more spam)
Now do that for everything else
Also make sure that in an attempt to get it balanced for medium, it doesnt become too strong for the other classes compared to their kit

Its way more work
Will likely cause tons of issues
And instead of making problem items less annoying, we just end up making non issue items problematic instead

Nerf the 2 outliers

[chilly sluice]

Let us rename the builds so I know what they're supposed to be at a glance

[silk ocean]

Being given suspension after a game crash that was NOT my fault seems kinda weird, especially since I already lost 1000rs from this

[ember ridge]

FIX THE FUCKING GRANADE LAUNCHER!!!!!!!

[restive nest]

let me block kyoto. i have never had a fun game on kyoto please stop forcing me to load into 6 kyoto games in a row. thank you

[azure canyon]

delete nadelauncher, they spam it under their feet and dont die but i am, its a noob gun that take no skill to use it

[versed cloud]

Self damage needs to be higher for cl imo

[plush swift]

I quite often start a ranked game and there's either no third or they keep trying and failing to join, in these scenarios could we not count the negative RS change or something, feels so punishing to be forced to play (without getting suspended) a basically unwinnable game, stuck getting destroyed for 15 mins and then as a reward lose 1200 RS 😦

[frank gull]

I believe it's since "resetting" is harder to do in S4. I.M.O having at least one person run Mesh, or Heal B. Is absolutely necessary to make a game like the finals work. Otherwise people will keep complaining about lights, low Health and weapons. TTK
#👂┇game-feedback message @regal salmon losing High risk factors, & Utilitie has made the game revert to more 2 dimensional playstyle we've already seen in the past. I believe players not needing to care how they play a squad life was a bad move that only made sense in a professional environment. Most players will just continue to aimlessly play TDM until they spawn on the objective. Embark should discourage sloppy gameplay & encourage teamwork. I don't know why they keep nerfing Support & Defense
#👂┇game-feedback message. @rain epoch - I agree losing 30% on a S.W. was definitely manageable & only favors High Elo, Reckless players, & Hackers.
Or
In my case experienced players can just play the OBJECTIVE & run circles around the competition because they don't understand the point of a game. I've been playing since S1 & even I am wondering how pacing will work in this new meta if it even works at all. Forcing players to use gadgets over specialization was a step in the wrong direction I.M.O & only Highlights how slow using gadgets is in the middle of combat. specialization should continue to be a great tool for player & team to combo off of.

[upper citrus]

Overwatch actually has an extremely large casual audience that is bigger than its competitive audience. Games can be designed with teamplay in mind without it making a negative impact on how casual plays.

Also, most heavies are using ranged weapons (Lewis and deagles) because they’re inherently broken on the class as well as heavy no longer having mesh shield to defend itself. Giving the class with the most HP the ability to take long range duels is a recipe for disaster. That’s not even really a teamplay thing either, that’s just the build having limitations. Even if the game was made for solo play, classes should still have limtations. Or else what is the point of having different classes in the first place?

Also, a ton of people are more than willing to play with VC on. The LFG channels here are super active and so are the VCs. An LFG feature in game would work wonders.

And melee heavies can still make up for their lack of range by sacrificing their special slot for winch claw. You’re not going to get the same range that a teammate with a gun would provide but that’s definitely a good thing. Trade offs keep loadout builds interesting. Even call of duty has trade offs in loadouts and that’s a very solo oriented game

The topic is very interesting though. I think there’s more things embark could do to enhance both the solo and squad experience

[drifting atlas]

Two things we should have in season 4.

1. Random customization combo
2. The ability to emote in lobby

Think about it

[delicate basin]

Why is the pike better close range than the deagles?

[glacial knot]

From platin and above , you have every battle minimum 1 cheater team. Blatant cheating , they know that the anti cheat is a joke.

[zinc fern]

Can we fix the unbearable lag in this game right now as well as all the other shit everyone is saying. Seasons 1-3 I’m sitting here fine playing, and here we are SZN 4 I’m basically playing doom from 1998 with the frames dropping to like 3. I’m chill honestly with the game but if I’m literally fighting the game itself and other people on top of it I think that’s a pretty unfair disadvantage (let me know if anyone else is experiencing this shit)

[jagged vector]

Deagles need a nurf, why I am getting 3 shot for hella far away

[daring fossil]

Fix the performance issues, memory leak and crashes introduced in 3.14. I have crashed 6 times since 3.14 which is probably more than I've crashed since launch.

Fix Vegas. Vegas has so many bugs, vegas sandstorm has multiple buildings where textures stretch over holes when you blow up floors. On normal vegas you can blow up the parking structure wall and the wall will appear to still be whole but you can walk through it. If you take the zipline across Fremont street it will throw you off the end instead of putting you down on the walkway.

improve the netcode, it has been getting progressively worse since launch and it feels the worst now than it's ever been. there's no point running behind cover ever because the enemy still sees you for like an entire 2 seconds on their client after you run behind cover. I use the double-barrel since you ruined the LH1 and the game will constantly give me 12dmg shots because it registers the shot where the player will be instead of where the character actually is when I fire, single fire guns have ALWAYS been terrible because of this yet you buff every aspect of the sword and now it can kill people from 10 feet away like the sledge already shouldn't be able to. Sometimes movements feel like everything is soaked is molasses, including my aim.

90% of my games are shit where I literally can't do anything, I'm just dead the whole game because I get shot at before I even come around a corner and none of my shots register.

I've been here literally since the start and im so fucking beyond frustrated. I want to enjoy this game and it's literally become an unhealthy addiction chasing the fucking fun that happens less than 5% of the time. It's painfully obvious why this game can't hold new players.

[drowsy rapids]

Y'all should put the ads for the sponsors on their select screen. Also please add more game events in the casual mode. Dead go boom and a rising water level would be cool

[worn horizon]

they dont need a nerf they are good but not very good

[shrewd oriole]

The pike is S1 FCAR all over again, it has absurd DPS, easy to use and handle, and is great overall in range. I don't know how you didn't learn from S1 FCAR and no matter what on how many people say "But it's balanced it needs skill!" it doesn't, just like the S1 FCAR it will be the the primary pick for most of the season just because it is obsolete and more broken than the other options. Reduce this things fire rate or something, this thing shouldn't be so damn oppressive.

[thorny lynx]

Whoever suggested the CL40 BUFF needs to get put in the "I am not smart" corner

[wheat cipher]

There needs to be a report selection for team sabotage I have way to many teammates who will 1. Just be afk for half or 2. Kill allies or themselves.

[broken herald]

nerf model1887, cl and pike

[cosmic ether]

Please keep the range on the pike, it's nice to be able to respond to snipers without chasing them down for once.

[hexed vault]

I played a Power Shift match and heard the Season 3 End Round theme when the match ended Idk if that's a bug or not or intentional

[karmic sable]

Very well thought & well said. I wish someone could shoot your opinion str8 to the devs because as a OB-s4 heavy main, mostly solo que... I could not agree more.

[silk ocean]

Update:

I received a 30 min ban from ranked because of another crash mid game and lost a total of 4000rs, fucking garbage game, after a full year and they can't fix things like this?????

[uneven dagger]

Ok so what if embark cooked up a bank it style game mode where cash deposited acts as a match specific currency that can be used to buy event style gadgets that can be used against other players and or to target objectives of some sort, maybe even just make kills the goal for each team

[icy vine]

Buff dagger it sucks

[vast lodge]

yeah bro, they should hire you so you can fix it for them

[boreal wagon]

lets really nerf all of lights range options and buff heavy's and medium's range so that light literally can never contest them from ANY range anymore!! awesome!! hihihihi

[jagged cedar]

its def no skill

[raw bay]

Why do I lose rank if I made it past the first round feels like there is no reward for playing well at all, it's finals or bust wtf?

[untold locust]

https://youtu.be/q6LxxaBMc1M?si=5--YpUON-PGDc24i

[long geode]

PLEASE revert the fcar recoil nerfs but keep its current damage and mag size. That's all it needs to be fun to use and not overtuned.

[graceful hollow]

pretty much

[azure canyon]

GRANADE LAUNCHER makes the finals less enjoyable

[glacial knot]

This report channel is bullshit, how can i record someone cheating if there is no opponent spectating camera. @teal ermine @frozen heath

[tidal night]

CL40 needs to do more self damage

[last mirage]

ranged-weapons get kills if not deter players from being around a heavys point of view, it helps the team buy time by either aiding in fights, killing players or being a deterrent, all of which can waste time for the enemy team. without the long-range deterrent used to stop players from taking pot shots, heavy used to bunker down whenever they were getting bombarded. now that mesh shield and dome shield are nerfed, ranged heavy doesn't have a solution whenever they are caught off guard when in ranged now. that is good, that is what I wanted to change. However, melee heavy is a different story. they can't retaliate whenever they are being shot from a distance. they are effectively this free target whenever you are at a range of 15-20 meters. heavy players have to stay in the shadows to be effective, much like the light for how they have to do hit-and-run tactics limiting their area of influence. heavy can't be this macho man class that can defend an area for the team if they can get shot at from afar. which is why there are a lot of ranged heavys now. the RPG was good for melee since it was a way to bridge the gap to kill people faster, securing kills more when getting close to the enemy at a distance. the way that heavy melee plays out now is that they have to stick close to their team to do something productive against short-ranged classes and once in a while throw a shield down, which is not fun for the people who played melee previously. its limits the role of one to to punish the more powerful role. sure you could use winch claw however the range stops at around 13 meters and it doesn't stop the problems of dash lights dodging out of your melee attack, and its also not fun to fight against as well because of it stunning players getting grabbed. winch claw was a short-term solution to an issue that melee heavy was facing. I am not dissing Overwatch, but there was a reason why there was manditory roles done in casual. I dont want that happening to the game.

[harsh panther]

Why the hell is there no teamwipe penalty in wt
It makes the first 2 cashouts worthless because you can get both and still lose

[noble kraken]

4 grenade launchers every game too, im running a resolution 1/2 my screen everything low and the grenade launchers not only shit on my pc (rtx 2070) but also make light unplayable

[jagged vector]

Anyone stuck on a connecting screen?

[jade ingot]

idk if this is already a thing but can a sight being added to a weapon change its ads time? for example if it doesnt have a sight, ads could be faster than not having a sight or something. could be confusing but i think an interesting difference (doesnt have to be insanely different)

[merry loom]

I would love to see static rewards for making into the top 500 in the different game modes. A diamond/emerald/ruby/amathist sticker for touching top 500 in terminal attack, powershift, quickcash, etc would be super cool way for players to flaunt and give an achievable grind-able goal to players who don't intend to play ranked.

[haughty anvil]

yessir

[manic vapor]

this plz!!

[silk ocean]

Don't ping the devs dude, have some decency

[worn horizon]

kills give 500 money each

[quick coyote]

I love this game I heard they're gonna be thinning out the emerald rewards I got 7 wins in one day as emerald four, are they gonna be taking it away based off of how I do this season? They nerfed the AK recoil pattern I can't hit my shots so I'm forced 2 play as light with golds n silvers and I'm kinda stuck in gold because teammates keep trying to solo the world. I'd be pretty upset if I spent the whole month grinding for nothing because that's all I played was world tour can someone help me understand

[ivory isle]

nerf the game itself

[frank gull]

Focusing on "Close range Combat" I don't use melee weapons, but this makes sense. If you want cover heavy used to have to most reliable, & a entire combo is broken, plus *H is even more dependent on teammates, also having the worst range & mobility puts the class at a huge disadvantage when you also take into consideration heal B. also got Nerfed...

When was the last time *L gadgets got nerfed? Stun? The other most broken gadget in the game. Not because of the kill potential, but because you can interrupt a entire comeback when objective is supposed to take priority over kills.(You should be able to steal while stunned) Support & Defense not being able to elevate squad potential is making The Finals gameplay feel like CoD. I.M.O

Side note :
L complain about Dash being "predictable" & absolutely easy to track in "High Elo"... Well how predictable do you thinkH & *M will be now.
Mesh & Heal B. are basically useless.
Charge & Slam is miles easier to track over *L dash

How is Mesh even supposed help in a 3rd party if it can barley 1 v 1 most automatic clips...
A specialization should definitely be the best *Utility a player has... Goo should not be a better shield than mesh. Mesh shined as a quick & reliable shield not only for player but for team. If it was so "overpowered", it was only because *L typically use gadgets selfishly.
Gateway, & vanishing bomb are hardly ever used for the team. Glitch grenades were hardly used at all & now they don't even need one of the most OP gadgets in the game at that... It be like if *M could stick a hard res twice as fast... That's the extent Embark has nerfed Heal B., Mesh , & Defib, Dome in Favor of *L.

[glad ginkgo]

Can we put a 5-7 second delay on orbital lasers? I’m standing still shooting a distant player. Orbital lasers strike down almost immediately when standing still. I’ll move after a few shots down range.

[gilded sage]

multiple grenade launchers with healing and defibs is just so dumb to go against.

[restive crescent]

REVERT CL 40 BUFFS

[thorny parcel]

Dash lights are bugged. They can dash through goo locks and freshly placed goo. I had the privilege of fighting a Sword light when I could not goo lock them.

Used to be winnable but not now

[daring fossil]

I have a clip of a sword dashing towards me and his whole player model deformed and dodged my shot.

[glacial sierra]

localised leaderboard for oceania and bank it both show the same rank/stats.

[narrow belfry]

For the 1 million time make it so anyone in the party can invite ppl and so that you can send messages to your friends in game Jesus trying to communicate in this game is infuriating

[sand parcel]

CL 40 buffs be too much

[halcyon depot]

Regarding the launch location of players who are forced to join mid-game

Sometimes the place where living allies are is too far away to join up with.

They die before I can join up and help them...

Why is it sometimes so far away?

When I'm forced to join mid-game in this situation, I lose all motivation.

[quick coyote]

Hello ! No u wrong.

[glacial salmon]

CL-40: "We just want to make it better to kill heavies cause why not just use other weapons when you can use this to murder anyone with aoe"

93R: "We just didnt wanna make it too OP so we made changes that do fucking jack shit"

Just say you suck off Medium class right now and we will forgive you.

[proud trench]

allow sprint with heavy hit on knife, its so unusable rn

[shrewd oriole]

I wanna point this out but it's SO damn annoying trying to hit headshots with the damn deagle, what's the damn point of me going ADS when my bullets will whizz past their head or only count as headshots? KS23 gets this better because it's a bigass projectile but god it feels bad on deagles

[lyric junco]

maybe uhhhhh report it in game that is an option in the pause menu

[keen abyss]

Me to you on console?

[jagged vector]

Yes

[molten trail]

yup

[last mirage]

thank you for agreeing with me on that. the thing is, stun gun should have never been introduced into the game. it was a weapon that hid the problems that light currently has today, and it was bad design from the start. now that it is tame enough for ranged players to counter players who stun off on their own, people rarely complain about it other than melee players and people playing objective. it's still a bad design choice, however, heavy has a goo gun that can also disrupt objective stealing as well. nobody really wins when it comes down to if one is more powerful, other than both are pretty busted when known how to use it. Heavy can tank damage and medium can take a few hits, light players can at least get two shot by pretty much everything. horizontal movement during combat would help shake the issues lights been having. it would make explosives not deathtraps (like the cl40,) it would force players to think about where they're gonna go next horizontally. It would also give the option of light players controlling how far they travel while jumping, having control of your jump vertically would make it harder for more skilled players to predict for semi auto weapons. I notice that light players tend to stick to the vanish bomb like how heavy tended to stick to the RPG. we need light to not rely on gadgets that make them more independent off on their own. the reason being that they just need to be independent in general and they don't need to waste 2 out of 3 gadget slots trying to fix a broken boat. they shouldn't need the crutch to operate normally. because it's not a healthy class if done so. I don't see a reason why ranged light players shouldn't have vanish bomb. however, melee players might not like this change if they nerfed it. so might be the same scenario as the RPG. I don't play enough melee light and I would love people to continue the convo about this when I'm gone from this board. I hope the devs can bounce back after this setback.

[merry totem]

Don't know where else to put this "feedback," but if the music guys (Carl and company?) would do a stream or something, I think there's a good chance it would be awesome. Even just going through the OST track by track, talking about influences, things players might not notice, and stuff like that. I get that the community stream thing is more Oscar's job, and I certainly wouldn't want to disrupt the music guys' creative process ahead of S5 (right?), but doing something like that might be easier than producing one those flashy "How the Finals Is Made" videos, awesome as those have been. Anyway, either way, I'm obviously digging the S4 OST. Big props.

[late owl]

Feedback from someone who has vast knowledge in fps: it is INSANE that sights were added to the game with no negative effects to the gun when they are applied. This has always been one of the only fps games that had actual balanced guns until now. For example, FCAR has more recoil and less bullets than the AKM so it should have a sight over it. Same with the XP54 compared to the M11. The LH1 SHOULD NOT have a sight as it is of the best guns in the game already AT ALL RANGES. Please apply consequences to adding a sight to guns as it is very much needed for the balance of the game.

[frank gull]

Stun Gun shouldn't have 2 v 2 potential in combat & *Objective. After .5 seconds you should be able to steal while stunned. I.M.O
1 gadget shouldn't have so much control of the game, Even Gravity cube can be broken if used on a cash out.
Adding the inability to steal as a status effect may be 1 too many quirks for a gadget.

[steep egret]

Ranked needs to allow you to queue into casual modes while waiting 💀

[lean magnet]

Keep getting “an unreal process has crashed ue discovery” and can’t open the game. Any help will be grateful

[olive fulcrum]

Pike ruined this game.

[hot sky]

does Embark do hotfixes? or are we gonna have to wait an entire season for balance changes?

[grave fox]

There is a patch every Thursday yes.

[frail wave]

fdeadlock (invite only alpha) already has features we've been requesting since OB1

[topaz ledge]

bug: you can see when people you sent a request to have logged in. ex: i saw pure_strafez just logged in and he didn't accept my request

[brisk garden]

pls delete the cl40

[shadow nebula]

Just ran a match of quick cash where the cash out box glitched under the map on the garden side. Map was the one with the central church in it.

[echo urchin]

@late owl “vast knowledge in fps”. lol

@frail wave cool. What’s your point?

@olive fulcrum lol

@shrewd oriole skill issue. Aim for the neck so you hit the chest or head.

@narrow belfry actually, yeah. The social features in the game make it hard to play with friends and form a community.

[lime quail]

9 players in Cashout. How many are cheating? Yep. You’re right! Too many!

[hardy raft]

Add customizable crosshairs for each weapon.

[slender oasis]

The game is literally trash right now networking wise. I keep getting a TFGE 0000 error code every time I even adjust my loadout, the game resets loadouts I've tried to edit the past few days, and I play one fucking match of WT and second round it fucking DCs me. By all means please fix this ASAP I want to play and the game physically will not allow me to no matter what I've tried to reset it with. It's not me, it's not my PC, it's not my internet, it's the dam game at this point.

[jagged vector]

To everyone one on PlayStation, the network is currently down so you won’t be able to play

[shell raven]

somethings gotta be done about the cl40 man, i know it sucked for a loooong time but they tipped the scale too far, especially with the radius increase and aps nerf

[daring fossil]

do something with the double-barrel, its the worst melee weapon in the game

[molten trail]

model 🤡

[surreal meadow]

~ que ranked
~ only 2/3 players on start up
~ still get penalty

just finished match, prompt showed up the whole time

[long geode]

PLEASE revert the fcar recoil nerfs but keep its current damage and mag size. That's all it needs to be fun to use and not overtuned.

[gleaming peak]

Been plagued with disconnects as well and the game never lets me join back, super annoying

[frank gull]

I hope Embark buffs utility of tools to counter whatever is Meta.
Heal B. Elevated*L more than anything
Mesh should bounce off grenades/ Launchers.
APS definitely need a buff now that CL is meta.
They've always been a little too easy to destroy & the nerf only made sense for people that play Power shift & double stack the device for objective.

[warm compass]

add slowtime grenade - add black hole devise suck player and randomly pop them out of the area

[tropic swift]

Mind as well buff everything and have everything op. Splatoon 1 thrived on that.

[tall crag]

42 points for 4th place in a tourney is criminal

[brisk garden]

try -10 for 3rd

[opal herald]

can they change the UI for the sponsor competition to make it more clear that the number of fans displayed is the average number of fans per player signed, so that this is communicated clearly as well as helping new players not mistake the number for playercount

[olive fulcrum]

this is the most reddit neckbeard thing I've seen in a little bit

[sand bramble]

Destruction on the new map is unoptimized, I've gone from 160 fps to 60fps

[quick coyote]

Back again to say nerf pike

[uneven dagger]

back again to say buff pike

[worn spade]

How is it going "THE TERMINALS" im back

[umbral stratus]

I like spear 👍

[molten trail]

back again to say nerf charge n slam instant dmg

[long geode]

Remove the heal beam, nerf it to the ground, or rework it. Maybe give the medium class a single use burst heal grenade or make healing a skill shot gadget and give them a different specialization.

[patent wind]

give pike a slight dmg buff but increase fall off so that it can compete up close, but that dmg buff doesnt carry over longer ranges

[wraith igloo]

It would be great if embark could look at this channel more than once per season. 😑

[quasi fiber]

can we remove the skull system in the scoreboard. third parties are annoying and still a huge problem in this game. removing the skull in the scoarboard would help mitigate this by not feeding teams the info as to when a team is eliminated.

[last mirage]

just because one of the utilities for heavy got nerfed into the ground and now everyone is using it over mesh shield doesn't mean it was overpowered to begin with. it just means it was the second best option for ranged heavys.

[tropic root]

What about the kill feed?

[cedar turtle]

Can we get a butterfly knife? + When you're looking at objectives / dead teammates, can the icon dissapear as it takes up visibility when in gunfights

[scenic mantle]

Damn, you white as hell 😭😭

[proper crescent]

Kill feed only shows kills or deaths your team is involved in

[frank gull]

The game already has most things *L needs to be the BEST at combat... It is already the best class at "dodging more damage"(however all S3 i asked for specialization buffs for the class, so I agree & share your sentiment) it was the class that could rotate back to support easiest. Now NOBODY wants to run heals, or mesh... *L also has the most utility, & most versatile gadgets having the best breach, & transportation in the game. Meanwhile *M is the only class that doesn't even have breach or sonar.

*L players just want to lead(through offense), but can't admit they actually need support or defense, Or that they should be supporting and defending the *objective. Not just mindlessly looking for kills, either because of skill issues, or just being kill hungry.
Embark nerfing Mesh, Dome, Heal B. Defib, when light has the perfect counter to all of it...
A small buff to make them blow up on impact & all of a sudden Glitch grenades are the perfect counter to EVERYTHING in the game except good aim...
Instead of expecting more out of *L players Embark just took more utility & potential from *H & *M.
Heal B. & Mesh, were also the best counter both classes had against *L mobility since they can't rotate or reset as fast as *L.

I don't know who is in charge of balancing, but I hope they play more ranked Cash out. it doesn't seem they have enough awareness of how time & tracking works in that game mode.
S3 felt like CS: GO
S4 is turning into CoD
All utilitie from specialization, gadgets, weapons without a doubt set The Finals apart, Ak losing 4 bullet isn't a big deal for ttk, but when you take into consideration it was one of the few weapons that chipped away at turretns huge health, & Mesh Well deserved health. It made sense for *L to be able to 1 shot the classes specializations while *H & *M have to empty an ENTIRE clip just to make a significant dent not to mention now your stuck in a reload animation, or not enough bullets to kill the person in front of you.
*L just has so much potential to handle utility. The only hurdle it can seem to jump over is Damage.
&
DEFENSE & SUPPORT has almost entirely been removed from the Meta. Gadgets will not replace it's presence in my opinion.

These nerfs only make sense in quick play, something as simple as not being able to put a mine on the front & back entrance is so limiting for awareness, now *M can't even get a hit marker on top losing scoreboard information?
If Smoke, & fire still do tick damage why can't glitch get a hit marker? Stop taking away utility from your game Embark. 🙏🏽

Embark 🗣️ 📣

• Buff APS AoE & , Lower projectile DMG done to device. 🙏🏽
• Consider reducing cooldown time to 15 sec on glitch mines (half of the utility was lost) getting ahead on objective to lock down a room is hard enough 20 sec is a bit of a long wait while trying to lock down a room.
• Consider reducing cooldown for Jumpad to 15 sec
• Revert mesh, dome, Heal B.
• consider removy hologram simulator loading screen when Defib 🙏🏽

& reload gun when Fib'ed(jk but consider it) 👀

Model is fine but a rework that might work is #👂┇game-feedback message idk though.
A rework you can consider... If *L can Combo specialization Dash with sword let *H & *M have Combo potential when using there specialization & stop nerfing & making the best tools for each class (M&H) harder to use. 🙏🏽

[gleaming marsh]

add dissun as a sponsor please

[surreal meadow]

**EMBARK!!

DROP 5v5 CASH

AND MY WALLET IS YOURS!!! Day 24/100 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥**

[raw robin]

@teal ermine @frozen heath @dense gulch @fiery hill @tawdry thorn I'm only @ a few of you to hopefully get some attention to this, but I am owed at least 10k rs in this shit game. I get DC'd in game one and come back to win and then proceed to going to the finals, then winning the whole tournament. I then proceed to lose RS after spending time an effort to win these matches just to lose RS; but I'm winning the match. I want my RS back due to the Finals failure, once again they have not came out with a decent update to fix these issues. The mods I have tagged can you get my issue up to someone who can fix this problem? What is the point in playing this shitty ass game if I'm going to win these matches just to lose RS? I was top 500 last season and diamond almost every season before, these issues need to be fixed asap. I'll be damned if I keep playing this game if these issues keep persisting. I suggest everyone in this discord to follow quilting this game until the Finals actually takes time to fix the issues.

[rough depot]

This is the worst I think this game has ever felt for me....Not even talking about meta or balance or anything. Things feel inconsistent, fps is worse across the board. The new map is cool and all but it doesnt run too well when things break, and it doesn't seem to have any variations? (I think, I cant remember if Ive seen one at all.) Scopes are neat but they kinda seem to throw off balance by adding even more variables. It's only the first week so maybe I'll change my mind. But I only seem to get frustrated every time I play. :(

[plush portal]

Only problems I've been having thus far with season 4 is:

-Many crashes
-Tons and tons of team mates leaving matches, even at the start.
-Daily contract timer reset bugged out and didn't reset for me at all.

[rustic pendant]

cry about it

[elder panther]

This seeding stuff is bullshit. I like it but when i’m getting first seed every tournament, with a max points of +607, and the games are equally as difficult as being a low seed (i’m rarely low seed). It’s bullshit. Idk if it’s because the ranked hasn’t blossomed enough yet but it’s pretty unfair

[distant gulch]

A feature I would love to see is the ability to save custom outfits :)

[simple solar]

Holy crashout

[molten trail]

? 😂

[static orchid]

sounds like a skill issue tbh

[versed hazel]

add 25 kill streak nuke but it just makes all the teams lose and drop rank

[strange wind]

cl40 needs a big buff it doesnt do enough damage

[rustic tusk]

Let us turn 3,000 VR into like.... 25 Multibucks. Please.

[celest tree]

pls nerf pike and cl40

[last mirage]

I agree on some points. yes embark just took away more than buffing classes, I understand the logic of why mesh shield was nerfed, it was too effective at bunkering and wasting time for objectives at the time. however, they needed to find a substitute for heavy to do other than just bunkering for the short-ranged weapons. I understood why the healing beam was nerfed, it was overpowered when 2 medics were healing one guy since the healing stacked. however, they only needed to nerf healing beam stacking and they would have made it feel fair for everyone involved. I understood that there were aspects that made medium and heavy work together like peanut butter and jam. but light doesn't need to break up that aspect of teamwork between the two classes to make it fair for himself. I know that glitch grenade counters medium and heavy, but it shouldn't be the final answer for the role given to light, it shouldn't be that gadget that improves the character to making them become independent from the team, imagine making the argument of medium needing to constantly carry the APS turret pre-nerf to hard counter grenade spam and op grenade launchers back then, it would be oppressive for everyone involved, including the medium carrying it since it invites no changes in strategy. if you were a medium taking out a 750 hp dome shield that lasted 12 seconds, it would have been a pain to go against. if you were a heavy going against another heavy with two medics healing him at 100hp a second, it would not have been a fair fight. these aspects of the nerfs were justified for not only light, but for every class. They did it wrong and that is why people are up in arms right now. also, another thing to note, heavy can just place a pyro mine and an explosive mine together in order to kill mediums. this is dangerous because now heavys that need defense will double down on the annoying parts of going up against a defending heavy and make it unfun for all parties involved.

[earnest sierra]

Get better internet and stop crying

[tribal spoke]

Please Please Please remove the 1st and third attack and just make the 2nd attack the full dual blades combo

[plush portal]

pike is so busted. so fast ttk.

[wraith orchid]

revert sniper nerf or raise up hitscan range to 120Meter

[south knot]

Season 4 OST is amazing. I love the mid nineties Sega vibes. It reminds me of Guardian Heros and Virtua Cop big time.

[simple parrot]

for the gateway there should be a highlight or ping for allies to see.

[crystal cave]

Every time I try to play tournament it disconnects me. Also, every time I die my trophy gets spawned all the way across the map completely opposite from where I died. Please fix I am scared to even touch competitive until I know these glitches are out of the game

[full flume]

Fix audio feels like there is dead silence in the game

[soft walrus]

Real cuz atleast we should know there are multiple footsteps atleast cuz people be hugging each other close but we can even notice from audio always be runnin into full teams

[dark niche]

sword and dash needs to go, pike needs t Total rework and a nerf, and CL40, idd what u do against them? its like almost impossible when theres 3 with healbeams.

[gloomy falcon]

Nerf Cl-40, every match 10/10, in asia they just plays medium and spam cl40 mindlessly, i cant even play my dagger light

[woeful bolt]

The finals needs to add a true streamer mode, a major problem in ranked is getting name sniped, either if your streaming or if your a known good player. People shouldn’t be forced to suffer if your a good person in your lobby and being known. An example of this is when a team recognizes your name from last game, you beat them hard and now they make it their life’s mission to get you out to increase their odds. Games like valorant don’t have this problem as they hide the streamers name ingame as well. The problem isn’t stream sniping it’s name sniping

[stable mauve]

Everybody knows how the lobby background lights up with the sponsor you chose. It would be a cool addition if when squaded up with players of different sponsors, it would light up the background with their sponsor as well.

[exotic quartz]

Dude get better, I don't have any issues taking them out. Are they annoying? yes, but so are dagger lights

[jagged cedar]

I should be getting banned for getting afk kicked from a world tour when Im in a three stack and immediately reconnect

[hoary crater]

I think everyone though this

[stiff hawk]

Cl broken fix it

[scenic mantle]

You saw what I said baby mama

[thorn nebula]

What if when you partied with a player from another sponsor, their corresponding sponsor band lit up? @bitter nexus

[carmine token]

All you're really going to encourage is people to report and block any particularly good, or particularly bad, player with a Streamer mode. If they can't avoid you by name, they'll avoid you by, well, avoiding you.
@fleet quiver Monkey's paw time: done, you get a tank but you can't drive upwards so you're stuck on ground level of wherever you're at. You also can't get out of it unless your tank is destroyed, which it never will be because it has 10k hp so you're stuck for the entire game. Lastly, due to its weight, it destroys stuff as it falls from the sky upon being summoned, so any floating platforms or high points, the tank crushes through them.
@thorn nebula I was so hopeful to see something like this, shame that they didn't do it.

[fleet quiver]

hi embark please give the heavy a tank gadget that spawns a tank which only heavies can drive, it has 10k hp and does 400 damage per shell

[zenith zodiac]

Throwing knives and swords should be erased from this game

[odd ibex]

Rework ideas

3 health beam plus defib it’s crazy,health beam needs to start off at a slow pace for medium and especially heavies and then heal at a normal rate.

Pike is so strange,it’s like a way better revolver,if u could add a more zoomed sight for revolver it would be perfect.
A camping medium with pike’s long range and high fire rate is crazy to deal with.
Pike is a better lh with more health as medium,bad new entry as a weapon.

Pike needs a total hip fire nerf and lower fire rate.

Data reshaper rework should be if u reshape 3 orange barrels then u get one time use (in the data reshaper slot)of a pyro grenade or gas if u get green canister or glitch grenade if u get 3 blue barrels,your team mates can gather them,so there is teamwork!

Gravity boots for wall running?

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positions and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[molten trail]

im ur daddy lil guy 😗

[undone cedar]

The hitbox of the heavy is too small yall should increase his ass hitbox 😡

[tall cradle]

If a teammate leaves or disconnects in a ranked match my rank score should not change. It's dumb and it's unfair that I get punished for playing a match with a huge disadvantage. We're in the fourth season and people still leave or have connection issues and still their teammates get punished for it. The penalty is only half of the solution.

[strange ermine]

Can y'all please stop nerfing everything? Every weapon feeling equally mediocre is not as fun as every weapon feeling good. I hope y'all can understand this and reevaluate your approach to balancing weapons, gadgets, and specializations.

[tribal spoke]

The dual swords are so awful a sword light litteraly cannot lose vs them unless they disconnect their mouse, I was gonna say keyboard but tbh a sword light will still win with the keyboard disconnected vs a dual blades user

[carmine token]

Too exploitable. You're in a party with a buddy and you know you're gonna lose with a minute left? He alt-F4s to stop you from losing points, eats the time penalty and next time, you alt-F4 to save him the points.
It's bullshit sometimes, I've been here but that's likely the reason Embark's not doing it.
They could implement it for players that did not queue in a squad with you, but considering most high-rank play is made of preformed parties, this would do nothing to address the problem.

[waxen hornet]

Im guessing we have to wait for an update to fix this tfge0008 shit?

[restive laurel]

Great game, but intro emotes wise I have a suggestion. What if a team of 3 with matching emotes in the intro combine to create a group emote. For example, the door buster emote could instead of having 3 doors, have one door buster and 2 roll out afterwards. Other emotes could also be cool and this would enhance the amount of coins spent as users will want to match to have the team emote in the intro.

[fleet socket]

Embark give sledgehammer a sword skin or give heavy an ultra greatsword weapon and my life is yours

[lean pike]

https://youtu.be/mB_mLH5o0yM?si=tb0Bo6DYGcvjdyFK
Heavy Weapon update plz
no gadget

[tall cradle]

Make the penalties higher, and increase with each occurence. It's better that it may be exploited than punishing players unfairly.

[quaint forge]

Mmmmmm make Nama tama do the thug shaker

[carmine token]

Fair enough, but the last thing Embark wants to do in a season where half of the playerbase is constantly crashing out of games is increase disconnect penalties. That's like the one thing they could do right now to make everyone quit the game.

[coarse jetty]

nerf deagles they super suck. and heavies in general. they dont deserve nearly as much offense as they do, with the overwhelming defense they also have.

[barren pawn]

heavy fist.png another round another tfge0008

[remote swallow]

Server Connection Timed Out/ Failed to Connect, 2 out of every 3 games since season 4 dropped

[void blade]

Hey embark, since ranked progression is more impressive than world tour progression, can you swap the places on the player card where the ranked rank and world tour rank are? Id rather show off my diamond rank than my bronze world tour rank

Also having world tour only be cashout when thats also what ranked is is kinda weird, why not throw in some powershift and bank it and quick cash as some of the matches? Wt being a mashup playlist of gamemodes could be kinda cool.

[fallen mirage]

I’m just a casual Powershift player but I feel match making is so much better this season, the teams seem pretty well balanced on both sides. I’ve had so many close matches, with the win being decided at the centre line of the arena. Keep up the great work Embark!

[obsidian snow]

the game has been crashing soooo much for my friend and i since season 4 dropped, like im lucky to play for a few hours without at least 2-3 crashes

[cobalt summit]

I would love a replay mode like in fn, i always take pictures in games and the finals looks awesome so that would be massive

[stuck edge]

I got suspended from World Tour because of these fuckass annoying "cannot connect to server" errors. Fix your goddamn servers

[upper citrus]

Please nerf pike RPM and hipfire

[coarse jetty]

this just happened IN A RANKED MATCH pleasse embark fix your terrain collision

[glacial sierra]

error screen simulator 2024

[mortal notch]

I’d rather watch paint dry than play the pike/model/dogwalking meta rn. Please just nerf them both

[torpid sky]

nerf model
nerf cl
nerf pike
remove glitch trap
revert mesh nerf
rework dash

[tall cradle]

@carmine token Players should not be punished for playing without a teammate. I don't know how many times I need to say this. If a player's game really crashed, they can just reconnect. If it keeps happening then stop and wait for the patch. My game has been crashing daily in S3, some day I simply could not play at all because of this. When it wasn't too bad I would re-launch the game and reconnect, I've gotten a penalty maybe 5 times when I'd get stuck on infinite loading. After all that I would still rather take the penalty for disconnecting than be punished unfairly when I don't. Imagine if kids in school weren't allowed to go to the bathroom in the middle of class just because some of them would use that time to slack off.

[honest harness]

Can you please SOMEHOW adjust the XP54 range/dmg falloff regarding to the last nerf? The m11 outplays the xp way too often imo

[karmic fiber]

Being able to swap weapons or gadget in ranks by the cost of 1 coin would be good. After team wipe only.

[wraith igloo]

Sandstorm vegas has been like this since day one. It might get fixed in season 8 assuming the game still exists by then.

[sacred sluice]

the finals more like the leavers and quitters and losers who never stay in game

[rigid hull]

is matchmaking broken? WT matches level 1 players with level 62. unranked, bronze, and gold. games are unplayable

[queen shale]

love how i can play every game mode but ranked without problems, goes to play a game and first game half the loby cant get in and im stuck out the second. please fix this

[viral stump]

a nade indicator would be sweet

[wind copper]

The idea with three sponsors is brilliant. Instead of people complaining, all I see are memes about the sponsors, which really improves the game's image.

Don't forget about HOLTOW sun insurance!

[upper citrus]

NERF THIS!!!!!

[coarse jetty]

WE FOUND PRECISELY WHERE THE HOLE IS

also once again i am asking to make fan gains in a match based on your performance and not completely random

[honest harness]

Happens on kyoto as well

[glossy bough]

please make the data reshaper easier to level this thing gains no exp

[echo radish]

I REALLT HOPE EMBARK DOESN'T JUST NERF DAMAGE OF CL-40 AGAIN. THE PROBLEM I ADRESSED SHOULD BE SOLVED AT FIRST. https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/t4Q4ZOtysO GIVE US PROPER DAMAGE BONUS FOR DIRECT HIT, NOT MAKE S3 GARBAGE AGAIN.

[odd ibex]

Rework ideas

3 health beam plus defib it’s crazy,health beam needs to start off at a slow pace for medium and especially heavies and then heal at a normal rate.

Pike is so strange,it’s like a way better revolver,if u could add a more zoomed sight for revolver it would be perfect.
A camping medium with pike’s long range and high fire rate is crazy to deal with.
Pike is a better lh with more health as medium,bad new entry as a weapon.

Pike needs a total hip fire nerf and lower fire rate.

Data reshaper rework should be if u reshape 3 orange barrels then u get one time use of a pyro grenade or gas if u get green canister or glitch grenade if u get 3 blue barrels,your team mates can gather them,so there is teamwork!

Gravity boots for wall running?

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positions and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

[rich heath]

nerf the CL-40 bro thats not fair

[royal mesa]

3 mediums with CL's... getting bored of lobbies being a grenade zone

[bold silo]

EMBARK FIX YOUR SHIT

SO MUCH CHEATERS

[jagged cedar]

Mesh may as well have been removed it is so awful now. This spec literally needed zero adjustment and was more or less the most healthy spec in the entire game

[carmine igloo]

whats going on with these light swords? It was already OP and now they buffed it even more?

[dull otter]

pyke nerf when

[pale quest]

cl40 complainers are just too cringe. this game ain't for you. if you still haven't figured out that if you get even minimal highground 99.9% of cl40 users wont land a single shot on you then lmao ever tried improving at something instead just complaining?

[scenic spade]

Based

[final saddle]

matchmaking sucks It's really hard to enjoy the game while I am level 10 with eight wins playing against the same sweats trio level 60+ with 600, 900 and 1200 wins tree times in a row fuck this shit

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[coarse jetty]

cringe, cl40 gets rid of or just ignores 90% of cover and high ground aint exactly hard for them to get either with jump pads and ziplines lol

[twin helm]

riot shield is way to strong make is smaller

[deep mountain]

World Tour

why do we have to wait for next season for the rewards
why cant we get the multibucks when we reach the specified tier?

[visual spruce]

exactly bro. most of the light player r getting killed thierself bcs of thier decisions. not bcs the weapons. actually it looks like when a light player is in mu lobby he is just trying to prove or to be a hero🤦‍♂️ they literally don’t have a teamwork so they die first after pushed alone to a whole team. i know light players are fast but most of yall wont be responding fast so stop pushing alone then the win rate will increase

[clever bone]

riot shield isnt strong there are to many options to out dps it or gadgets to create space most for light or medium and heavy just deals more dmg

[fast stirrup]

Just played a match where a Riot shielder took no dmg while full sprinting at me and swinging. I'd say thats pretty strong.

[vagrant rune]

Light players bunch of crying whiners. Never get happy with the balance. RPG nerf/ Mesh Nerf now they want charge and slam Nerf.

And ofc they want pike, cl40, model, turrets nerfed. Despite medium got healing beam nerfed

And sure let's keep buffing lights, stun gun/dash/no recoil weapons. Throwing knives/sword scanners/ invisible bomb. So underwhelming gadgets and weapons that can 2 tap kill a heavy sure 😂👌

[obtuse yoke]

Someone please tell me why my support medium class can now 2 tap a light or a medium with an overpowered marksman

[molten trail]

who tf at embark thought it was a gr8 idea to buff the cl 40 😂

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @icy vine @celest bone @thick cipher @frail prawn @wraith orchid @cyan crane @lunar vault @river plover @tawdry tree Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[copper osprey]

Counterpoint: make them do more self damage (like RPG)

[wide void]

Make the cashout station's timer freeze when capturing it -- or at least prevent it from going from 99% to 100% when it's being captured.

The way it is now completely prevents you from making lots of comeback plays and allows defenders to do way too many degenerate plays like simply leaving the box altogether when there's no time to capture it left.

[feral adder]

Xp 54, stun gun, invis, throwing knives all got nerfed. Medium should be support, not damage, so it makes no sense for them to have the most op weapons

[upper citrus]

god please nerf pike and model in 4.1

[acoustic wadi]

Embark get your head out of your ass. you've been game developers for so many years and you cant seem to balance anything. cl-40 did not need this big of a buff. light sword dash is such an stupid fucking game mechanic. and guess what? you buffed it even further?! wtf... seriously some of the most stupid balancing ive ever seen in a game. fix your shit.

[carmine token]

@wide void This is the single worst idea proposed on this entire channel and I hope you go play another game.
If you really can't figure out why, then there's multiple reasons.
The devs have made it clear that they want the defenders to be at an advantage. Multiple changes have been made to encourage defending rather than stealing - the 30/70 split for whoever inserts the box first is one. The extra 1 second of time they added to how long it takes to steal during mid-season 3 is another. And lastly, the Defender Bonus, allowing you to respawn faster if you have an active cashout is a third. All of these changes have been made by devs to encourage people to defend, because clearly, they thought that attackers were at an advantage, especially third-party attackers.

The fact that you have limited time to steal encourages attackers to play aggressively and risky in order to steal. You want all of the risk to instead land on the defenders. As is, attackers have to preoccupy, out-strategize or defeat a whole team to steal. Instead, you want some Light to be able to dash in, steal for five seconds to stall the timer, dash off, rince, repeat and keep the cashout going for 3 or 4 minutes instead of 2 while they casually take their time to steal. This also encourages third-partying even more since the box is active for longer, which some people have complained has only gotten worse in this season.

What problem are you even trying to solve? The fact that some teams will leave with 15 seconds left in the cashout? I'm sorry but no, you don't deserve to steal a cashout that's been defended 90% of the way without putting in a bit of effort, to either get there in time or to defeat the team earlier. Your "degenerate plays" simply don't happen often enough to matter, compared to how often bullshit steals and third-partying already happen and how much more often they would happen in your ideal scenario.

[stuck bobcat]

I have already suggested adding packs with old soundtracks from previous seasons to the game. But even cooler is to add the ability to create your own playlist from different tracks from all packs. And I think it would be appropriate to give out packs from previous seasons to those who were already playing the game at that time.

[autumn sedge]

I think that the RS distribution of a lobby should be made so teams are constricted so that they are near the RS averege of the lobby, not that players are put in teams with other near their RS.

[potent solar]

I try to watch new players and streamers whenever they try the finals, and based on what I've seen and your recent player breakdown many are trying but few are committing to the finals long term.

I've mentioned this before but watching today re-confirmed that the VRs + weapon unlocks take too long, resulting in people leaving. I think you should earn them at 2x the current rate. People were struggling with dash sword and didn't really think about items to use as a counter (ie glitch mines) and when they did want to try something the grind to unlock was too long. The main reaction was to rage and claim xxx thing I'm dying to now shouldn't be in the game.

Another point later could be to have a blurb on abilities that says (via icons or something) that this combination is useful vs this random ability or combination. Once they figured out how to position and run glitches the dash light problem was solved.

I think this could help a lot with the new player experience and hurt the game less for experienced players by giving them strategies to deal with things rather than nerfs that hurt at higher skill levels.

[spark shard]

Day 2/100: Change matchmaking for solo players.

I'm very pleased with all the changes you've brought this season, thank you!

However, the matchmaking has been broken since Season 2. In Season 3, I didn't play much ranked because it was TA, and I detest that game mode. I thought that during that season, meaning Season 3, you were working on the matchmaking to have something decent for Season 4, but I see that this issue continues from Season 2.

My matchups make no sense, neither in terms of rank nor in terms of the dedication to the game, which is evident when I compare my number of kills and revives with those of my teammates. And when I look at the other teams, they are with the people who should be matched with me, but instead, I'm playing against them.

I'm saying all this from the perspective of someone who plays solo, without a team. When can we expect improvements in matchmaking for solo players? Seriously, we've been like this since Season 2, it's very frustrating.

Note: I've even had people on my team who said in chat that they were playing ranked for "fun" in the sense of playing "quick play." This is a bad joke.

Note 2: I don't mind if it takes longer to find a game as long as it improves the current experience. I'd rather wait more than 2 minutes or however long it takes than wait 10 seconds and end up with a team with zero skill.

[tired fable]

Hello Embark, this is my updated suggestions :

Heavy : -1 or -2sec HP recovery
Light : 175hp, +1sec HP recovery
Soundtracks : all your seasons ost are insane why we cant have choice to play music pack like apex, buff your menus option

Sword : nerf it
Dagger : make chargestab like throwing knife
DualSword : deflect need more accuracy and better radius
CL40 : 105dmg/ammo or revert buff and give +1ammo in mag
Turret : reduce cooldown without recall and with recall. actually it deals no damage and all gadget can counter it easily, definitley the most useless skill
R.357 : less good than model at short range and less good than pike at long range. almost all M weapons are better than R.357 please reduce damage falloff or give faster reload or better hipfire accuracy I don't know
Riot shield : REMOVE THE FIRE EFFECT WHICH INFINITE BURN US ON THE SHIELD

[twin helm]

this is what i was talking about

[clever dome]

I've got a request regarding the soundtrack. Since every single season has been an absolute banger when it comes to the music, I'd love it at some point in the future if I could choose what season's soundtrack was playing in the menus and in matches.

[bold silo]

You cannot just fucking give 1 hour ban for afk, wtf that fixes, it is ranked make 24h

[iron veldt]

Is it just me or is the third partying even WORSE this season?

[odd ibex]

Rework ideas

3 health beam plus defib it’s crazy,health beam needs to start off at a slow pace for medium and especially heavies and then heal at a normal rate.

Pike is so strange,it’s like a way better revolver,if u could add a more zoomed sight for revolver it would be perfect.
A camping medium with pike’s long range and high fire rate is crazy to deal with.
Pike is a better lh with more health as medium,bad new entry as a weapon.

Pike needs a total hip fire nerf and lower fire rate.

Data reshaper rework should be if u reshape 3 orange barrels then u get one time use of a pyro grenade or gas if u get green canister or glitch grenade if u get 3 blue barrels,your team mates can gather them,so there is teamwork!

Gravity boots for wall running?

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positions and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

[merry steppe]

Make it so Elo losses and gains can be affected by your team comp. Eg: HHM should lose more RS than a HLL or Triple Light team if they lose a tournament

[vivid finch]

The Grenade Launcher is oppressive, Meanwhile Nerf heavys mesh to the ground but buff the medium GL?

[wide void]

Yes, I understand they want defenders to have the advantage, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be ways for offense to still clutch the station at all. Obviously you can give unique advantages to each side. And notice, if the station is stolen in the middle of a team fight and then the defenders win the fight, it allows them the opportunity to reclaim the box -- meaning it doesn't purely just help attackers.

Yes, in theory, with my first suggestion of pausing the timer whenever it's being captured, you can have someone stalling the box repeatedly. Except you're kind of ignoring the fact that capturing a station is, you know, the most vulnerable you can be? You instantly alert the defenders to your position and are literally a still target. It's not a free play. And if you're still that worried about the stalling, then just take my 2nd suggestion and make it just prevent the timer from completing if in the middle of a capture -- that would prevent stalls.

The problem isn't obviously just preventing defenders from leaving the station early. It's that when your team gets wiped and either station is 50% complete already by the time you respawn, then there's usually not enough time to even walk over and capture it -- let alone the teamfight that must be done. For this same reason, the final 2-team round always devolves into just a single teamfight around the cashout station -- because there's simply no time for any clutch plays.

And what's the drawback of this suggestion? You delegate ONE person to shooting any last-second capturers. Is that really such a big deal?

btw just want to tack on that it's currently hard to tell at what point a station is beyond capturing... or when it's too late

[feral adder]

Great idea, so if you crash and can’t rejoin, wich actually happens a lot, then you just can’t play for a day.

[carmine token]

I think if you really look at how most games tend to go, steals either happen so early on that it doesn't matter, or so late that it does. The bullshit you have to pull to steal with just enough time left - the body-blocking, delegating who should steal based on their class and HP, the positioning, keeping the other players occupied, choosing whether to Heal the person stealing or shoot the person trying to stop them from stealing... and a million other choices, become less important to both sides.
There's many times I've made the steal right at the end with barely a second left. Many more times where I failed because of that timer. I think grabbing a cashout at 99% while two people are dead on each team and the third player is desperately trying to make his way there would lead to more frustration at the attackers having the advantage. Maybe not as bad as it initially seems to me, but there's a difference between losing a cashbox at 90% (upsetting) vs losing one at 99% (rage-quit inducing).

You also underestimate who's at the advantage when a steal is happening - it's not the defenders. My team's most common strategy is fakeout-steals to lure anyone who might be trying to rez or recover HP out into the open. It works every time.
Delegating one person to stay behind wouldn't work, since you just need two to counteract a full team ambush last-second. Steal, lure the solo out, two people shoot him and steal again. Since the steal timer stops, there's enough time to take one guy out comfortably. This requires a minimum of two players, probably all three to stay back.

This also makes double-cashouts virtually impossible to defend. I mean hell, defending against three teams is already a miracle to pull off, especially with people constantly coining, but with a timer being paused constantly by 9 people?
Just picture that construction site middle-area of Seoul where people CONSTANTLY do a double cashout - that cashout will last the entire damn round.

[vagrant rune]

Please nerf sword/ can kill heavy. And m with 2 tap right click. Please nerf M11. No recoil and they can kill you spamming it while jumping cuz no hipfire. Please nerf throwing knives. Dmg is too high and no reload time. Please nerf invisible utility. Unfair for m and h since they only 20% visible. Please nerf stun gun. Impossible to move and basically free kill from behind. Stupid range too. Please nerf double barral. Two shot a heavy. Please nerf scanners. Gives too much an advantage for better sightview. And control over map. Please nerf light speed. They run like small bastards that shit in their pants. H and M cant run so fast. Please nerf heath regeneration time better than m and H . Basically Deadpool abilities. Please nerf dash. Can avoid mines and boost their speed even more.

[sinful snow]

Major cope here

[strange ermine]

Nah, nah. They need to stop nerfing everything. Equally mediocre weapons don't make the game fun. Buff more stuff to put them in line with the good weapons.

[pliant spruce]

Please STOP nerfing heavy stop stop stop !
Just CL40 for medium and rework grenade launcher for the heavy.

[lilac marsh]

NERF GRENADE LAUNCHER

[ionic grail]

Nerf Pike & Model
Nerf Charge (80 direct contact & keep 50 slam damage) and Winch (break the chain when LoS disappears or is interrupted by terrain, don’t drop the winched player directly within Melee range)
Buff FCAR to give it some differentiation between the AK)
Revert XP Damage Nerf and tweak its range instead.
Revert Mesh CD nerf

Then we can finally get a healthy fuckin meta again

[torpid sky]

^^^^^ hire this guy in the balancing team, actually make him the leader

[lime vortex]

I would love to see a Pike and Model nerf. They have been so meta and it is out of control. Lights stand no chance and heavies get gunned down. I think this is the worst the medium meta has been so I think changing these weapons would create a more balanced and fair ranked play! Also role queue would be great!

[rugged temple]

This is genuinely the best suggestion I've seen in here in a while.

[odd ibex]

@torpid sky Rework ideas

3 health beam plus defib it’s crazy,health beam needs to start off at a slow pace for medium and especially heavies and then heal at a normal rate.

Pike is so strange,it’s like a way better revolver,if u could add a more zoomed sight for revolver it would be perfect.
A camping medium with pike’s long range and high fire rate is crazy to deal with.
Pike is a better lh with more health as medium,bad new entry as a weapon.

Pike needs a total hip fire nerf and lower fire rate.

Data reshaper rework should be if u reshape 3 orange barrels then u get one time use of a pyro grenade or gas if u get green canister or glitch grenade if u get 3 blue barrels,your team mates can gather them,so there is teamwork!

Gravity boots for wall running?

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positions and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

[grave dew]

please make world tour matches shorter, they do not need to big as long as ranked matches

[thick sorrel]

I like this a lot

Season 5: healing bomb for light to improve teamplay

[dark niche]

agree tbh.

[echo venture]

Performance fixes before content please

[icy vine]

I don't like the dagger rework, too slow of a charge to pull off backstabs. If you hate it as well, your better off using the sword or throwing knifes

[hollow barn]

Add more active events and map variations. It is an essential part of the game. Don't waste that element.

[echo radish]

Damage buffs for CL-40 should be done considering status of season 3. This is true, nobody used this gun in S3.

BUT, Linear Explosive Damage patch makes this gun HAVING NO RISK FOR NOT HITTING DIRECT HIT(ACTUALLY DIRECT HIT IS ALREADY DEAD. WAKE UP FROM DELUSION. YOU GUYS ARE ALL WRONG WHO MENTIONING DIRECT HIT NOW)

Without reverting "Linear Explosive Damage" For this gun, It will never going to have proper balance. We already saw weaker form of CL-40 in S3. We already saw powerful form of CL-40 right now. MAKE THIS WEAPON FUN AND REWARDFUL TO HIT DIRECT HIT. LINEAR EXPLOSIVE DAMAE REWORK ONLY AFFECTED CL-40, AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM. PLEASE REVERT LINEAR DAMAGE REWORK ONLY FOR THIS GUN. OR AR LEAST MAKE IT PROPER DAMAGE GRAPH NOT REWARDING THOSE MISSED SHOT.

[deep cedar]

KS-23 skin where its a t-shirt cannon that shoots OSP-UZE cans towards your enemies at lethal velocities

[spiral zinc]

Game is unplayable. I get TFGE0000 almost every match. Much worse when I’m getting it before final round and can’t join because of it. Wtf???

[wide void]

Okay, you've convinced me my 1st suggestion (timer pauses whenever it's mid-steal) isn't so great, but you haven't convinced me that my 2nd suggestion (making it so the timer doesn't complete when there's an ongoing steal) is bad. Let's ignore the 1st suggestion and focus on the 2nd.

Upon thinking over it further, it honestly doesn't seem to me that any of what you said about the timing of when you pull off (or fail) a last-second steal would actually be any different with my 2nd suggestion. You would still have steals right at the end with barely time left, and you would still miss steals because the timer just barely expired. Think about it: as it currently stands, there's only so much time you have to start stealing the cashout before it becomes impossible to take, anyway. So my suggestion primarily just makes it more intuitive when is it truly too late -- when the timer is actually fully up, not when it's awkwardly ~80% there. If you really want to maintain the exact same timings we currently have as to when you can or can't steal, just make the cashout station complete like 5 seconds faster (or however fast the stealing process is) -- then, that way, it's practically the same game but with better visual indicators as to when stealing is or isn't still possible.

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @icy vine @celest bone @thick cipher @frail prawn @wraith orchid @cyan crane @lunar vault @river plover @tawdry tree Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[peak goblet]

Is there someone I could report 2 weapon skins bugs to so that they could be looked at and maybe cleaned up in the next patch?

[red echo]

Yes dm me and I will get it resolved

[dense ocean]

day 22 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[gleaming gust]

anyone else feel like the accuracy of the pike is a bit inconsistent?

[atomic nymph]

PLEASE Remove the Rain effect inside the buildings doesn’t rain in the building

[sleek finch]

DAZZLINGBLADE#7949 SUPERBPROP#4848 MXRKITO#1564 this team was constantly DDOS players. Grabbed all cash outs, 0 deaths. Pure head shot damage. I’m getting tired of these pathetic hackers everyday. Please find away to combat this.

[languid breach]

Just a lil bit just keep it centered I just got mine to level 6

[broken shore]

Pleaseee fix it already 😭
I havent been able to play season 4 since release without these error codes

[coarse jetty]

crazy that the meme weapon meant to give a bone to people with bad aim is now the most powerful weapon in the whole game, maybe embark should rethink that and just let it be left forgotten and unused. cl40's entire role is meant to be brainless and for unskilled people. so it should yield a proportionate reward

[fallow loom]

bruh at least give some rs back if my random teammate quit ranked
@wraith orchid patchnote says:The Dagger’s backstab secondary attack can now be held, only triggering when the button is released, rather than automatically. During this stance, the player moves at the normal run speed and cannot sprint. |

u already got the sprint speed

[wraith orchid]

pls let us run with the dagger while charging it. dont you see that the dagger cant compete with other melee weapons right now?

[keen lily]

NEW SPAWN SYSTEM IS SO GOOD

[wide void]

@coarse jetty You completely misunderstand how balancing around skill works.

Objectively speaking, when assuming good skill and accuracy in the lobby, CL-40 is NOT the most powerful in ANY situation other than having 2 or 3 enemies bearhugging each other. The only other niche it has is doing low chip damage around corners with splash. Otherwise, it does less DPS and has a slower TTK than literally every hitscan option, all while being a dodgeable projectile that self-damages.

Now, yes, the weapon does have a low skill floor, and in lobbies where people frequently miss hitscan, CL-40 can be comparatively strong. If you want to mitigate this, you can e.g. reduce the splash radius, which primarily affects the skill floor and not the ceiling as much. But again, even if you hit 100% shots right now, every other (non-melee) option usurps it in some way.

[manic pebble]

revert cl40 buff i have no idea who thought that needed buffing but it makes playing light impossible

[red echo]

exaclty this , low af skill floor weapon should be awarded with very little value , prob the easiest weapon in the whole game too

like it can still dominate in lower elo lobbies since they can use it and go unpunished even if it weak

[cloud jungle]

Can we seperate "interact and equip weapon" on controller directional binding?
dropping a cashbox when trying to hop on a zipline is getting on my nerves

There's already a seperate "weapon" only binding, we just need an "interact" only binding.

[pale quest]

4.1 idea:

• fix spawns: we keep spawning in same place enemies can just camp spawns once again. its really bad in some maps like skyway stadium when you spawn next to mansion and there is team on roof nearby already spraying us down 1 sec after spawning
• leave cl40 as it is: after 2 seasons of throwing knives spam lights deserve to get deleted if they look at medium wrong way

[violet elbow]

please Add Streamer Mode and hiding points in ranked, this current version is borderline unplayable and uncompetitive with 2-3 teams on the same cashout every game trying to grief out the 1 competent 3 stack in the lobby, which just results in everyone who is mentally stable that has hit diamond just avoiding ranked because its not worth it rn, we play 3-6 games to make up for one loss while getting hard targeted 24/7.

( @pearl kiln )

[strange ermine]

Please give melee weapons a default movement speed boost while equipped. With the nerfs to support specializations and gadgets, closing distance is harder than ever for Medium and Heavy melee players. (Don't even get me started on the 'get out of jail free' card that is Dash and Stun Gun against melee.)

[long arrow]

Rework of matchmaking because tired to play 1game/2 with only 1player in ranked , against 3v3v3. & still loose minimum 800rr

[mortal notch]

I’d rather watch paint dry than play the pike/model/dogwalking meta

[verbal breach]

"Turret has no direct counters"
The data reshaper in question:

[carmine token]

If your team was that "competent" then you'd be able to avoid getting steamrolled and griefed. And if you can't, well, maybe you're shooting a bit above your rank and should be ranked lower?
Honestly, "three teams came together and bullied me really hard guys!!! i SWEAR!!!" is not exactly believable, and if it is, then you deserved it.

[mellow shadow]

PLEASE nerf cl40

[topaz barn]

Changeable sight colours would be nice

[vale mango]

Everytime i give your game another chance you f**k me over. With teammates who dont load in or quit. Im done with your sh*T GAME. who penalises and suspends people for leaving when i have no teammates. Keep your game il laugh when it dies

[thick cipher]

Stop pinging me or I'm reporting your ahh for spam with that bot looking pfp

[violet elbow]

hate to break your bubble but everyone in our elo complains about this right now, we keep matching each other in high elo and we dont gain anything unless we make it to final round, our elo is so underpopulated that the average among us just isnt going up, we can win 10 games and lose it all in 2, that would be fine if people couldnt just RECOGNIZE NAMES AND NAMECHASE.

its literally gotten to the point where we just avoid each other in higher elo until both teams hit final round and 3v3, you dont have these gains/losses so you obviously dont understand the problem we face right now with stacked lobbies like this just being a massive RNG grief fiesta.

[wary hedge]

since we on the topic having uniquely generated numbers for skins, can we get unique patterns for weapons? something like case hardened from cs2. would be so cool in this game! EMBARK PLS!

[solar egret]

i'm hoping to god embark releases the engine upgrade soon man, i can't deal with these horrible lag spikes and low framerates as soon as there is any destruction 🙏

[mortal notch]

I’d rather eat 7 bricks and put my pinky toe in mayonnaise than play pike/model/dogwalking meta

[west anchor]

Why tf do you spawn so far from the cashout when game is about to end??????

[soft valley]

Becouse of third party spawns. They where implemented to protect cashouts trough out the game to not get third partied

[thorny parcel]

I feel like a healthy meta to some people is bullet hose guns being the only good choice. Winch claw should drop victims off at melee range but should have no stun preventing the victim from shooting

[tired fable]

I invite you to read better

[verbal breach]

I would never

[hard shoal]

we need an option to control which teammates we get matched with. for example, as a medium player, I would prefer to match against heavy player instead of light ones. especially the ranked mode. 🥲🥲

[pale quest]

I wish more games had tradable items and inventories. look at valve they are making record revenues from cs2 without doing any work at all (skin cases are ugc)

[hearty rose]

One thing that I want to mention is that the flashing lights in this game are too severe and makes my eye hurt so bad after a couple games.

For example: when you are entering the arena at the first of the game, or when you are revived with either defib or normally.

please if possible in future updates, bring the QoL update regarding this matter.

[humble escarp]

s

[boreal anchor]

Hacker advertisment is a thing now in the channels ... I see it more and more advertisement for alt boosting + hacks.

[red echo]

terrible idea pls dont add it : when building fall on you they deal you massive dmg DONT ADD IT

[fathom aurora]

Nerf model, pike, cl40, defib, healbeam, remove glitch, nerf mines and akm, oh wait... nerf everything that med has that does damage... and nerf revolver as well, that thing is crazy

[burnt notch]

They never were gonna add it?

[lavish shard]

Light
-Nerf stungun
Medium
-nerf pike
-nerf model
-giga nerf cl40
Heavy
-nerf charge and slam

[last mirage]

charge n slam was second best before the nerfs for Mesh Shield. I don't know why we need to nerf the specialization when you can just nerf the range on the guns. melee heavy can run charge n slam and its an active challenge to land a hit since you are playing all melee. @torn canyon yes and there are tons of ranged players that use it to cover up their weaknesses in short range, it's why its commonly used in the first place now. it's not that it was a bad item though. all that these nerfs do is make it harder and harder to play melee for heavy, because first they nerfed RPG so that chip damage isn't reliable from afar. then they nerfed mesh shield and dome shield as well so that melee heavys couldn't hold a point/push toward fights. at this point, now the specialization that can crowd up close will be nerfed? whats the upside for playing only short-range heavy? since 2 out of the 3 classes can just outrun you. That is the problem, the ranged roles are punishing the melee roles, and it's not fun to see this ruin the aspect of melee. if you are skilled with a sledgehammer you can heavy attack a charge n slam. if you have movement, you can run circles around the charge. if they buffed the charge after S4, then yeah I now understand and they should revert the buff, but lets not make it worse when it was playing second fiddle to the mesh shield.

[torn canyon]

Slam is 130 damage instantly on any close range target, plus 80 on slam. It makes all melee builds pointless because the heavy just out trades you for pressing a button. It’s not that the specialization on its own is a problem it’s how people use it for instant crutch damage.

[mortal notch]

I’d rather eat a entire jar of mustard whilst upside down whilst getting stabbed in the shins than play model/pike/dogwalking meta

[tender sail]

Grenade launcher nerf needs reverting ASAP

[wraith orchid]

i thought i said they should remove it but maybe ive written some wrong english is not my native

[ionic grail]

Stun is fine. Complaining about stun when it’s been fine for over 2 seasons now is genuinely a nothing burger

[gloomy falcon]

Day 3 of asking to
Nerf CL-40

[deep mountain]

is there any use of me typing this or will it just be inundated in this endless comp whining

[rustic sandal]

bring back old APS if we are going in the "buff not nerf" direction - I agree CL40 needs some tweaking (especially the self damage) but we need tools for dealing with it if its going to be this strong

[high wing]

the sword hitbox is like they can stand 15 meters away and still hit, what a fking no skill weapon

[long arrow]

i have a big idea : let us cheat when u put us in afk lobby ^^ its wonderfull when u make between 2&5 min in crossplay for find a match for finally play 1-2v3v3v3 in ranked ❤️ i understand now why cheaters exists 😂 its logik

[torpid sky]

pov: you are not capable of making friends

[quick coyote]

PLEASE nerf cl40 this make people flee the game
, revert dagger

[smoky gust]

You say that as if it didnt invalidate any attempt at using melee weapons
In most scenarios its fine, but it shouldnt give you a free kill against melee users

@rustic sandal
In my experience aps is currently in a pretty good spot
It gives me as cl-40 user a decent disadvantage, but its not outplayable
And if i use it while running my other loadouts, it frequently allows me to shut down a cl-40 medium pretty easily

I dont think it needs it, but a small buff would be fine

But it should never return to the "win at 1 press of a button" state it used to be in

[pulsar pivot]

Why is it only putting me in playstation loobys. I have cross play on?

[viscid flume]

Буду говорить коротко и по делу, есть мат, накипело
Бляди грязные, что в с sbmm сделали, во что вы ранкед превратили? У меня в игре <100часов, около 2к убийств, мне кидает монстров 5-10к. В моей тиме не то что такие же как я, даже хуже. Как играть? за один победный раунд дают 80 блять поинтов, за проигрышный снимают в 2-3 раза больше, без пати играть невозможно. Мне кидают конченых дегенератов в тиму. И спасибо господи если он клавомышь, но ведь кидает и консольщиков, которые врезаются в стены. Иногда игра крашится без причины посреди матча. Считай тебе повезло, если в ранкед запускает фулл стаком по три человека, примерно каждую третью игру тип стоит афк или просто ливает. При это замену ему не ищет, компенсацию не дают. Будь ты хоть трижды киберчемпионом два сквада тупо зажмут тебя количеством. Почините игру, разумисты.

[rapid stream]

True

[golden cloak]

jst getting massive frame drops from destruction that i wasnt last season

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[crisp heart]

please add hud safe zone

[past idol]

@smoky basin 100%. It’s would be awesome for console play.

[nimble kiln]

Facts

[coral lodge]

mesh shield cd is BRUTAL

[plush grotto]

Pike and cl40 be going too hard frfr

[bold silo]

CAN YOU FIX RANKED, THIS POINT SYSTEM IS DUMB, PEOPLE GET LUCKY AND CLIMB

[mossy karma]

Stun totally isn't fine
To understand how broken it is against melee try to imagine if it would have prohibited shooting during stun effect

[burnt notch]

How should they fix it?

[vocal yacht]

In english please......

[pure glen]

https://tenor.com/view/cubs-win-gif-1499441812138180596

[coarse jetty]

Weirdly enough i actually like charge & slam being the dominant specialization for heavies, its like the least annoying out of any of them to be the most used

[vagrant rune]

Buff pike and cl40.

[viscid flume]

What have you done with sbmm, what have you turned it into? I have <100 hours in the game, about 2k kills, I get 5-10k monsters thrown at me. My team is not the same as me, even worse. How to play? 80 points are given for one winning round, 2-3 times more are withdrawn for a losing round, it is impossible to play without a party. It is impossible to play with an adequate person. And thank God if he's a PC, but he also throws console players who walk into walls. Sometimes the game crashes for no reason in the middle of a match. Consider yourself lucky if a ranked player launches a full stack of three people, about every third game the type costs afk or just goes out. At the same time, he is not looking for a replacement, they do not give compensation. If you were a cyber champion at least three times, two squads will stupidly squeeze you with numbers. Fix the game, razumists.

[manic pebble]

I HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM MATCHMAKING LIKE 3-4 TIMES NOW. all because it wont let me connect to games in the first place. ill try to join a match, it will start loading and then it will just say CONNECTION FAILED ERROR CODE TFGE0000, and no matter how many times i try to reconnect it wont let me. this also keeps happening in between tournament rounds. i got kicked out in the loading part just before the finals of a world tour tournament and i got banned for it again. this is happening roughly one in every 4 or 5 games now and its not fair on me or my teammates, this needs to be fixed ASAP. i have videos and screenshots if needed i just cant post them here.

[bold silo]

NOT SO HARD

Winning 3 games 1000 points, loaing one 1000 points, which MORON TOUGHT THIS TROUGHT? I MEAN REALLY DUM DUM

IF YOU GET 1000 POINNTS FOR 1ST PLACE > YOU COMBINE COMBAT OBJECTICE SCORE ETC, IF I DID 60% OF TEAM SCORE I GET 1600 POINTS, THEY 20% LESS OF 1000 IF THEY DID 20% CONTRIBUTION EACH.

LIKEWISE IF I PREFORM POORLY AND WIN ITS NOT FAIR TO GET SAME POINTS AS PEOPLE THAT CARRIED ME TO WIN.

SAME FOR LOSING POINTS

WHY WOULD I LOSE 100 POINTS WITH 10 KILLS AND 7K DMG SAME AS TROLL WITH SWORD AND 0 KILLA ANS 500 DMG DONE.

THIS SHOULD BE REWARD/PUNISHMENT SYSTEM AND CURRENTLY IS LUCK ONE. WE WANT COMPETITIVE RANKED NOT A JOKE AS IT CURRENTLY IS. YOU SHOULD GET SIMILAR SKILLS TEAMMATES BUT CURRENTLY IT IS A LOTTERY

THIS IS FAIR AND EASY TO IMPLEMENT BUT DEVS SEEMS NOT TO PLAY AT ALL AND DONT UNDERSTANSD GAME AT ALL.

WITH EACH NEW FAIL OF A PATCH MORE PEOPLE WILL STOP PLAYING. HIRE MORE COMPETENT devs.

[torpid sky]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-alert-gif-23793434

[arctic relic]

that' s why i now play world tour. Fun casual ranked without stressing. Does wonders for the mental health bro

[strange ermine]

I honestly don't see a problem with this. The original issues can be mitigated heavily by making it operate on LoS instead of thwarting any attempts to destroy it through walls like it did before. Buffing Data-Reshaper also encroaches on its power.

[olive coral]

Support, DPS and tank shouldn't be the ''classes'' straight up, else you're just turning it into another hero shooter / overwatch clone.

I think the way The Finals does it just right, where Lights are a recon/scout class, Mediums support/utility and Heavy crowd control/area denial and you can kinda pick from different options within their respective categories, all without the dependence of having an actual "tank" or "healer" to get anything done. In overwatch if you don't have either you just lose the game straight up, The Finals gives you a much fairer chance to 1V1 anyone and win.

This is not to say I would be against a "role lock" option, where teams have to consist out of 1 of each class, and for gamemodes with 5 players, 1 heavy, 2 medium and 2 light, similar to other hero shooters. I think this can remove a lot of frustation of having 5 snipers constantly pick your team of from across the map or having 3 heavies build fort knox on the cashout station.

[raven hornet]

Quick topic to pop into here, I want turret gone ASAP bruh losing these engagements cause they have another infinte gun on their team and it feels so unrewarding to die to one.
@magic stratus Fair

[magic stratus]

The entire issue would be solved if ranked had a class limit. Should ranked be forced to a HML comp? CL40 isn't as bad when its one person using it. In fact, its a throw of a pick compared to Pike or 1887. If there's only one M on the team, a CL40 is a terrible option and if you die to it consistently, its a skill issue and a failure to adapt. I don't think the Finals should have class restriction, at most, a 2 class limit.

Lights have their own set of issues, making it difficult to balance. They stomp pubs, but are useless in comp. How do you suggest to balance that out without making light more oppressive to pubs than they are now? Lights also have a mentality of trying to 1v3 everyoen when the class isn't meant to do that.

@raven hornet bring reshaper. done

[opal swallow]

CL40 IS WORST THAN S3 LIGHTS FCK THIS GAME

[rapid stream]

S3 lights?

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 37)

[brittle obsidian]

this would be fine if the classes actually fit those roles. medium is effectively dps and support simultaneously because of crazy weapons like pike and model on top of stuff like fib and healbeam. light is dps with a little bit of utility sprinkled on the side (pretty much just gateway). and heavy is "the defensive powerhouse" except for the fact its defense keeps getting nerfed and offense untouched so its effectively dps class #3.

[shy drum]

Revert AKM nerf and buff FCAR, nerf model and cl40 as well

[rustic sandal]

i agree in a 1v1 the APS is fine - But right now when you see 2 or even 3 GL's its pretty much useless - Its gone within pretty much one volley and is only useful for getting rid of a tiny bit of ammo - In a 1v1 though definitely slap it down and rip them a new one pretty easy.

[rapid rover]

For match making we should be able to choose what type of builds we wanna match up with like a similar system to overwatch

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[jolly pawn]

Ty for reporting a cheater!
No problem, I did it 3 weeks ago 🙂 🙂 🙂

[limber ingot]

fire whoever came up with cl40 buff. you cant refrain urselves from having an idea to ruin your game every season it's actually alarming. or buff trophy to max 6 projectiles. or reduce drastically cooldown on it. idk, just do something.

[tribal barn]

God forbid people play anything but automatic hitscan weapons

Increase the self damage on cl40, that part is ridiculous, otherwise its ttk is low

[smoky gust]

@rustic sandal
Anything stacked can be busted

3 heavies running in with flamethrowers would melt you in half a second
3x rpg
Triple dome with 2 mesh shields while someone caps is unbeatable unless you get a lucky stun or have glitch available
MMM with all defib and healbeam

The issue isnt that aps is too weak
The issue is that you are the only one trying to counter them
You shouldnt expect to shut off a whole team with just 1 item

To match 3 players, you should need 3 players

[hybrid hearth]

Buff CL-40
It’s not good enough. Make it better 👹

[strange ermine]

"Whether the game is balanced or not doesn't matter to you as long as it's not hitting you personally" - I'm 1000% sure you say this while being completely fine with the way Stun Gun affects melee players. You continue to complain about being one-shot like Embark hasn't completely killed over half the things that did. Nukes, Mines, and RPG are all shadows of their former selves. It may not seem like it to you, but besides the early season outliers this is the easiest Light class has ever had it.

[ionic lichen]

why not let the players can use VR to buy some ospuze drink and gets more XP in the next games?

[bold silo]

I WILL JUST STOP PLAYING, BUT IT IS A DAMN SHAME, SO MUCH POTENTIAL HERE.

ARTIST/DEVS WHO MADE THIS GAME HAVE DONE INCREDIBLE JOB KUDOS FOR THAT.

BUT IT IS OBVIOUS THEY DONT POSSES GOOD LOGIC TO MAKE IT COMPETITIVE AND TO BALANCE WEAPONS, THEY NEED TO HIRE OTHER EXPERTS FOR THAT, DATA SCIENTISTA ETC, DIFFERENT SKILLS.

WELL, LETS COME BACK IN 3 MONTHS AGAIN AND SEE IF THEY IMPLEMENT ANY SUGGESTIONS.

[rare stump]

pls remove kyoto from ranked maps its an awful and buggy map its impossible to fight lights too much vegetation and verticality in builduings

[oak moth]

When 120fps will coming soon ?

[spiral valve]

Everyone has terrible opinions this season is the best one yet. Get better and stop complaining

[jade trellis]

Remove cl-40 its made for freaks

[hasty widget]

stupid take (cl-40 users triggered lol)

[thorn kelp]

Never heard of high ground I suppose 😂

[round goblet]

No major complaints on CL40, its the non-existent self dmg rn bug I suppose is the only problem

[rapid stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[zinc fern]

Now I agree with you that yes a majority of us are annoyed when something happens to us in honestly really anything it’s not restricted to here in the Finals….. but.

I don’t think the problem is the Light health or “we need this and this buffed for us”. You chose the light to be an “in and out” hard hitting guerrilla fighter I’d say. And a good some of you Light guys’ mindset is that you’re a streamer or skilled to the point you’re killing them in a 1v3 just to learn that you cannot. The mindset is killing you guys. BUT to even help you guys NOT just everyone else, I think the problem with the Finals is that every counter is being shed of its strength. We remember everyone running the APS for Power Shift and we’re okay with its nerf only to fast forward to now and see grenades raining hell on everyone. They, to me personally, need to revert some of these nerfs.

Your CL-40 problem goes away the moment you throw that APS down, but sadly it’s now gone for a literal second and you barely get the time to kill the grenadier pummeling you. If they want to keep this bullshit of the APS having “health” I think they should BUFF the APS or bring back the simpler time of it just being like the turret.

A little solo comment before I go, you can think of a lot of these “counters” being destroyed to oblivion, just think and look closely you might just see it. We can only pray they wake up and realize what’s going on but that’s just me.

Side note: someone said the buildings crumbled fast as hell and I agree fix that too.

[burnt roost]

We need a community feedback page so I can tell everyone to stop complaining. This game is still quite new and they're figuring things out still. This ain't CoD or Overwatch. It's NEW. And still very fun if you don't take it seriously at all.

[faint saddle]

Ive got following feedback:

DAGGER:

• Make the secondary attack work THE SAME WAY the throwing knifes work.

So you can tap the attack and it releases like usual and can be held

I played 300h of dagger and this change is TERRIBLE and fucks with my muscle memory making the weapon completly different mechanically whoever changes this should not make massive changes like this ever again,

DUAL BLADES;

I have level 5 dual blades and play them alot

• Deflecting Bullets needs an accuracy buff. I am not being rewarded for aiming my deflect at the enemy; the bullets just stray around them. It's an 80% damage reduction at best, excluding the fact that I can't deal headshot damage by blocking.

• The deflect should cover a slightly larger cone.

• The deflecting animation (i.e., going into the parry stance) should be available at all times during any animation, allowing for the canceling of the primary attack to parry—for example, a sledgehammer heavy attack. Additionally, often the hammer phases through the parry with full damage because the hitbox and active frames are extremely poorly designed.

• You should be able to sprint as fast as a heavy while blocking, not medium sprinting speed as that would be too fast.

• Adjust the damage order from 100, 120, 80 to 120, 100, 100. This change would make quick melee against light enemies possible. Currently, you are forced to use primary attacks against light enemies because 100 + 40 damage doesn't kill them (ignoring the fact that they can stun gun dash and get away in the first place).

• The interaction with the model needs to be fixed. Currently, when a single bullet would hit your feet, every other bullet also connects. For example, if I shoot and all bullets are hitting the deflect but one, all shots pierce the deflect, and you take full damage.

SPEAR

• Make the first primary attack hit deal 5 more damage

• Make the Secondary interruptable, currently is possible by emote cancleing but yeh needs buffs

[ember verge]

I feel like Embarks approach to balancing weapons is very surface level, and most of the time either does nothing, makes the weapon godlike or makes the weapon absolutely awful, theres no in-between it feels like.

I have some suggestions for very frustrating mechanics to play against, aswell as weapon buffs/ rebalances.

First off,

CL-40:

The CL40 did NOT require a damage buff, what it actually needed was a magazine buff from 4 to 6. The potential damage of its entire magazine is capable of killing any class, but now it needs time to fire those few extra shots in order to secure a kill. This stops lights from getting outright 2 shot aswell as mediums struggling against it in close quarters.

Healing Beam:

I would love to see the healing beam get the same treatment as Recon Senses did, AKA replacing the ability entirely.

Healing beam is inherently flawed, and this major flaw is due to the fact that the healing can continue while its target is taking damage, inflating the healthbar of that target. This leads to alot of pocketing and is extremely frustrating to fight against because the healed target will ALWAYS win a 1v1.

My suggestion is to incorporate a Stim gun. This gun can be fired at teamates AND used on yourself, and it comes with 3 charges that have a 15 second cooldown. Instead of healing your teamate, what the Stim gun does is it starts the passive health regeneration INSTANTLY.

This means youre able to recoup, and heal much more faster in-between engagements, making sure your team is fresh and ready before another team fight.

This also helps with 3rd partying allowing teams to counter faster to another addition.

Expediting the passive health regen aswell as requiring you to hit your teammates from range allows you to hang back and hold angles instead of being a pocket healer, giving you both offensive and support opportunities when needed.

Defibs:

The defibs is an increadibly hard things to balance, but I think we have 2 options. Either we can replace this with something else, as an entire team running defibs is incredibly frustrating to fight against.

My main suggestion for the Defibs is to make it a 1 time use per life. Aka, if you use them theyll be cooked until you respawn OR wipe a squad. Assisting in a squad wipe will also reward another Defib charge.

This way in long and drawn out engagements, Defibs no longer become an instant rez but something you need to weigh in the moment if theyre worth using.

Model 1886:

This shotgun is a personal favourite of mine, but god is it a sniper. Its super easy to rebalance this, as all youd need to do is nerf its range and grant it a better reload speed.

The reload speed is there to counteract the amount of shots required to kill at range, and make it stronger in close range fights as needing to reload constantly can be painful if you miss one or two shots.

[fallen bear]

I just want to play and it's says login failed due to a service interruption please try again

[frank gull]

Maybe SBMM & input separation can help?

[fleet socket]

Daily yap #idk

[humble wave]

sorry to state the obvious , cl-40 needs a nerf

[untold haven]

let me roll sleeves down ☹️

[autumn musk]

hammer skin

[tribal barn]

Nerf all hitscan weapons

[stuck bobcat]

Yesterday I played a match in which a guy was running with a sword and when he made a dash, he disappeared and only appeared when he hit me and my teammates. Fix this please

[fiery apex]

#CL40BrainDead

[deep sierra]

Give us pre nerf fcar back please.

[thorny parcel]

Defib statues should be damageable. Only needed nerf imo.

Healing Beam could be made where the healer takes damage whenever the healed is damaged. Also damaging status affects applied to the healed will also transfer to the healer too

[dull oyster]

I believe defib statues should be damageable but with some level of damage reduction to them, because right now its just magical ghost,
and healing beam should be reworked 100%, may be make the charge be used faster but with cd - so you cant pocket someone, but instead you can heal him fast for 150 hp for example and then it goes cd.
Right now healing beam just interrupts the flow really hard, and overheat is too easy to recharge - just dont hold till it overheats. its too different to other abilities that have a proper CD

[uncut stump]

Ngl this is probably one of the worst communities I've ever interacted with
The amount of complaining and just straight up no accountability for yourself as a player is crazy I just hope the one's who want shit nerfed when the season hasn't even been out for a month yet are at least trying to improve on their mistakes as a player cause I barely die to CL40 or the MODEL take accountability as a player before you call something "broken" or "OP"

[royal bridge]

Someone on Reddit told me to also post this comment here: "I wish we were able to place stickers ourselves.. and add more stickers (maybe as part of weapon progression, 1 extra sticker per level.)"

[uneven dagger]

Hold on hold on, there’s a good suggestion up here, I vouch for the customizable stickers

[abstract ravine]

Defib is already easy to counter, making it possible to kill somebody before the defib even finishes is absolutely insane.

Healing beam in its current state can’t full heal a medium before overheating. Making the healer take damage utterly defeats its entire purpose.

You are the reason balancing isn’t decided by the community.

[tropic coral]

Pls console only lobbies, Xbox and ps5 pls

[quick coyote]

remove defib from the game

[sharp briar]

Add kriss vector and Aug A3 for medium.

[tribal spoke]

Make the dmg 55/55 flat, remove the third attack and were golden

[dry wraith]

People are frustrated because developers have once again created an overpowered weapon. This happened in Season 3 with throwing knives. The CL-40 is likely to be nerfed soon, but the start of the new season has already been ruined.
@analog anchor don't worry about embark, I don't believe they have taken any suggestions from this thread. Regarding the right direction, they thought that making the terminal attack mode into a ranking game was a good idea. How has it turned out so far?
@analog anchor It took them three months to fix the mistake.

[near nova]

I think this game needs a hotfix now, CL40 and PIKE is too op

This balance looks like a joke

[limber ingot]

people just want a fun fps where you actually have to aim to kill people lol

[high wing]

fix the utter shitty and horrible respawn system ffs

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[neon kettle]

worst idea ever about the healing beam, it entirely defeats the purpose, it has been nerfed to the ground this season

[thorn kelp]

This channel is basically a joke 5% of people in this channel actually give good feedback on the game and the 95% just self-report their skill issues (looking at all the people complaining about the CL-40. EVER HEARD OF HIGH GROUND?!)

@keen lily Ever heard of Gateway? Ever heard of Grapple Hook? Ever heard of destroying the Jump Pad? Ever heard of Dash? Ever heard of Glitch Grenade? Ever heard of Stun Gun? Ever heard of APS Turret? Ever heard of Data Reshaper? Ever heard of Anti-Grav Cube? Ever heard of Goo Gun?

[thorny parcel]

I also want placeable stickers.

[fading flame]

Why is an akm able to out damage an fcar 40% of the time?

[cold lotus]

Buff the CL40 so it can take out a annoying stupid sword user with 1 hit

[keen lily]

ever heard of jump pad lol

[cerulean birch]

If you're hitting heads the fcar does more damage, if your aim sucks and you're only hitting bodies then ofc the akm will be better

[frank gull]

A Heavy, Medium, Light Meta will be hard to achieve I agree.

However Defib, & Dome are as much part of *M & *H identity as Glitch, Vanish B., & Gateway is apart of *L however the difference in those gadgets is they are used selfishly... So there's not a huge cry for nerfs(Despite being the most broken gadget in the game) since they aren't being utilized in team play like they're intended to.

"light doesn't need to break up that aspect of teamwork between the two classes to make it fair for himself"
I think this way of thinking is incorrect....

A *M going against dome makes *M rely on *L

A medium carrying APS makes it a hard counter to another *M
(However impact explosion over linear explosion may also help, or an APS buff)

*H being double heald allows for medium to hit shots on one medic at range and light to hit a flank on the other medic

Combos & coordination should be the heart of this game. I.M.O

HML was viable S3 it was just hard to find a *L that was a team player.

[wanton owl]

anyone notice problems with shots registering correctly in some games (not lag)

[west ivy]

servers are down?

[rustic sandal]

hey man was just an idea to provide an alternateive to just nerfing the CL40 🤷‍♂️ - am just as happy with most other options there but i am careful about just suggesting "NERF" - appreciate what your sayting but it doesnt apply to every scenario just like my example doesnt either. My point remains though that we need a more effective way of dealing with it and APS was one of such ways

[fierce valve]

Remember when people said the glitch Barrel invalidated lights?

[graceful snow]

pls make spear possible to stab through goo

[wraith orchid]

pls let us run with the dagger at all times to get it in a more competitive direction

[last mirage]

there is a point to what he says, medium teams tend to dive bomb to their teammates' trophies in order to make a distraction play (which is very dumb.) sure its now not instant, however. It's the idea of a player spawning in that will divert people's attention. It's not a good design choice for the person defibing to treat their teammates as a last-ditch distraction. and the person getting revived shouldn't be roped into a potential suicide mission. It's like the same situation that is presented in Team Fortress 2 with the mini sentries. either you focus on the person who revived that trophy or you have to wait and focus on the respawning medium. imagine that you couldn't destroy those mini sentries before they were built. it would create this timer for people playing against it and is not fair for players that will have a low time to kill. it needs to be reworked. make it so that it can revive players and give them health up to 275 hp(so medium and lights can get back full health when they get defibbed), but make it so that they can get shot while spawning in. I want players to use it as a support tool instead of a distraction. it use to be easy to counter against, with Sledgehammer, mines, RPG, etc. Now, not so much when you fight against a defib chain with no defenses.

[unreal fossil]

I honestly really like your ideas. They could fix HB and defibs without nerfing them into oblivion. Both would just require more thoughts to be used right.

[pale quest]

its obviously getting nerfed in tommorows patch but yall just gonna find another thing to complain about "nerf this nerf that" how about we stop nerfing everything before its bullet-sponge game

just buff weaker low pick weapons

[crisp oxide]

NERF THE FUCKING GRENADNE LAUUNCHER U CRAZY PPL

[tribal barn]

I want more weird gimmick weapons

[gusty bronze]

Im having as Issue with the red dot sights for some reason there is a cross across my sight when i scope in is that normal?

[wind meteor]

The devs are saying that the buff to the CL 40 was because it wasn't fair for a medium to hit 100% all of his 4 grenades to kill a heavy.

But the solution was really an overkill. Damage increase. Radius of max damage 3.3 times as much, leading to an Area of max damage 10.9 times as much!

With that much of an area, aiming is easy, and can be done while jumping. But jumping to to avaoid dying, doesn't work with a sphere of effect (which has become 35.9 times bigger) and increases dispretion of the wepon countering the CL 40.

Also its almost forgotten than
this weapon deals multidamage, hence if the fight happens in a tight place, 4 grenades are enoigh to obliterate any team.

This is why I don't understand at all this huge buff, and I think the devs can acheive the fairness their talking about, by:

• keeping the damage as it was.
• Increasing the amo to 5 instead of 4
• decreasing the radius to 19cm (avergae between 9 and 30)
• increasing reload time (natural consequence if having 5 grenades)

[rigid oxide]

I've been thinking about this

one way to significantly boost playtime is probably to set up a solo queue for World Tour

I keep opening the game and then worrying that I'm not going to have good teammates, and since I work odd hours I'm never online when my friends are ready to go

if I had a queue where the field is pretty fairly matched as far as who knows each other and who is going to be on the mic... I would be less paralyzed to chase after the emerald

currently I think I have 170 playtime and nearly 500h of steam game time, I spend an absurd amount of time in the menus and I feel like that might hurt the playtime metric

TL;DR - WT solo queue might cure engagement paralysis

[fluid raptor]

fix spatial audio and footstep audio in general.

[night bone]

Add console crossplay only, for god's sake embark, otherwise this game won't ever be competitive

[fringe schooner]

Facts. Especially after nerfing consoles early in the game's life.

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[copper lark]

tighten spread on m26, open spread on model 1887

[faint saddle]

Ive got following feedback:

DAGGER:

• Make the secondary attack work THE SAME WAY the throwing knifes work.

So you can tap the attack and it releases like usual and can be held

I played 300h of dagger and this change is TERRIBLE and fucks with my muscle memory making the weapon completly different mechanically whoever changes this should not make massive changes like this ever again,

DUAL BLADES;

I have level 5 dual blades and play them alot

• Deflecting Bullets needs an accuracy buff. I am not being rewarded for aiming my deflect at the enemy; the bullets just stray around them. It's an 80% damage reduction at best, excluding the fact that I can't deal headshot damage by blocking.

• The deflect should cover a slightly larger cone.

• The deflecting animation (i.e., going into the parry stance) should be available at all times during any animation, allowing for the canceling of the primary attack to parry—for example, a sledgehammer heavy attack. Additionally, often the hammer phases through the parry with full damage because the hitbox and active frames are extremely poorly designed.

• You should be able to sprint as fast as a heavy while blocking, not medium sprinting speed as that would be too fast.

• Adjust the damage order from 100, 120, 80 to 120, 100, 100. This change would make quick melee against light enemies possible. Currently, you are forced to use primary attacks against light enemies because 100 + 40 damage doesn't kill them (ignoring the fact that they can stun gun dash and get away in the first place).

• The interaction with the model needs to be fixed. Currently, when a single bullet would hit your feet, every other bullet also connects. For example, if I shoot and all bullets are hitting the deflect but one, all shots pierce the deflect, and you take full damage.

SPEAR

• Make the first primary attack hit deal 5 more damage

• Make the Secondary interruptable, currently is possible by emote cancleing but yeh needs buffs

[ember verge]

Exactly !! I think anything that makes the skill ceiling higher is the best option. Skill expression and tech become much more prevalent with these changes. Would be super super happy to see a stim gun at the very least !?

[torpid sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[worldly scaffold]

Been playing PS with new patch, and I have to say... Man is ti fun again, like at the start of Season 2, the sniper spam is gone. Snipers are still there, but it is much more balanced now. At least for now, total win for the devs, thank you! But it would be nice to get new PS maps, for the new map, and LV maybe too.

[naive seal]

Can we get a stick/forest outfit to match the stick weapon pack?

[neat cipher]

I triggered the entire map to become clear during the game, allowing me to see the enemy on the opposite side. Has anyone encountered this problem? I tried to exit and reconnect to solve the problem

[hasty widget]

its clearly a big problem since everyone is complaining BUT nobody is actually talking about the bug wich is even more worse where the players shooting the CL-40 are not taking self damage

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[analog venture]

Could we please get the ability to turn the hud off/change full hud opacity especially in spectator mode so we can have ways to make cinematics?

[loud lark]

day 2 of requesting a "The Finals" anime/animated tv show

[marsh trellis]

Can’t you turn hud off with f10

[iron lichen]

The finals local esports when

[glacial knot]

Sword deal damage even when i m 4 meter away from him, what the fuck is this . Is this a broke hitbox build or cheat ?

[keen lily]

asking the real questions

[wraith orchid]

pls buff the hitscan range of the sniper its not funny anymore IM ON THEIR HEADS

[frank gull]

Embark 🗣️📣
Consider allowing individual Player cards for each contestant preload

It be nice if you could choose a different background & choose what badge you want on certain players. For example my medic badge isn't exactly fitting for my *L class

Also it be AMAZING if players could save *Outfits so you could easily swap Fits between contestants. Making an entire fit can be time consuming.

Also what do any of these colors mean? Does anyone know where I can get some information on the badge system.?

Side note:
@void blade has a good point.
#👂┇game-feedback message

[tropic coral]

Ridiculous that we have to play against pc sweats to be even able to play ranked on console. Either no Q at all or play against pc with a big advantage. Pls make console only lobbies, being forced into crossplay whilst playing with it off for 3 seasons is ridiculous.

THANKS EMBARK

[void blade]

Also not a bad idea
And @frank gull this is genius. More customization is always better

[quick coyote]

Please nerf pike, CL40 and model.

Fcar needs a recoil buff and some positive changes to separate it from the AKM.

Make the 93r full auto, it’s burst fire just doesn’t work on light.

Also, the destruction seems oddly dramatic especially on Fortune Stadium with the buildings collapsing even from goo barrels being placed

[unborn garnet]

With the first week of season 4 has been amazing and I think most have been thrilled but I wonder what other peoples opinions are on the pike dominating the medium class set ups. The pike beams through every class and seems like everybody has been using it. I tried the AK against it first day and just couldnt compete with the gun, and until I switched to the pike, is when I started having fair fights and close calls. Same thing for the .50 akimbo, I wonder what people think about these 2 weapons. Will they be nerfed? or reworked slightly? In my opinion I see the pike being nerfed. Fcar and AK just get wiped compared to them from gameplay i've seen and personal experience. I can see .50 akimbo recieving a recoil nerf

[graceful snow]

What are these spawns? it happens so freaking often that we wipe enemy team but they spawn inbetween us and the cashout

[hazy orchid]

Adding the pike created one of the worst metas possible. Heavy can't counter it at all and on certain maps you have a ton of people just sitting back and shooting from angles that are basically impossible to counter therefore making the pike mandatory to counter said playstyle. The Finals just doesn't play well with long range engagements especially because of how long it takes you to regain your health after being shot at

[smoky gust]

3rd parties are still a massive issues

the changes made take a little of the sting out of it and give someone who is performing well a chance at catching up
but its not enough

i would like to see further changes done
perhaps a 5v5 cashout mode could also fix this issue?

[bold rivet]

Need to show a photo embark this is messed up

[last mirage]

apart from the glitch grenade being able to counter those important aspects of medium and heavy's defenses/support, it is not very useful against players that tend to flank/roam. mediums that have dematerialiser or turrets don't get affected much, apart from making them rely on their primary (which is what they are banking on in situations like that). Heavy can also be a bit of a roamer with the charge n slam, winch, and goo gun. granted depending on what weapon they are holding for gadgets, they would be either at a disadvantage or hard countered. light relies on their weapon to get rid of the enemy. not using gadgets to earn kills, only aiding in kills (even if its the poorly designed stun gun.) so there is use for gamemodes like ranked or powershift that heavily rely on teamwork to defend a cashbox against an opposing team. however for gamemodes like bank it, its rarely used at all. the thing is about glitch grenades is that it makes light players be forced to use this gadget in order to counter medium and heavys teamwork. light should at least be able to puncture through the dome shield quickly with their weapon to pick off targets. gadget restriction is what makes classes not fun to play at times, you don't have the freedom of choice whenever you are forced to run certain gadgets for yourself or the team in general. it was the reason why RPG has been nerfed to try and get people off of a very effective generalist gadget (again they caused more problems than it solved.) light shouldn't rely on things like glitch grenades for him to be a good attacker for the team. if a light wants to run throwing knives with thermal and breach charges then, they could. like I mention in the example with the APS turret, the players should be able to have the choice for themselves, not out of necessity for everyone else. "Combos & coordination should be the heart of this game. I.M.O" that is something I 100% agree on as long as it rewards coordination a bit more than team combos.

[arctic hare]

Balance this balance that. Whatever.

My suggestion is to drop a TDM mode and advertise to Call of Duty and Battlefield players.

A run and gun, individualistic mode would draw so many players. Dudes are about to spend $70 on a map pack and be disappointed. Get their business.

Do it fellas

[uneven dagger]

Buff a light weapon or two so they stop complaining about cl40 and pike

[hard badger]

Finally I am not the only one who sees that, that a TDM mode would bring in so many players! We havent got a new mode since s2 😦

[wind moat]

cl40 needs to be NERFED to the ground

[misty jasper]

pike i think is great for certain map variations like hanging structures or duck and cover. i think it's weakness is just close range fights (<10 m) and tight cashout buildings especially with the scope still attached, but I haven't played it without the scope. Other than that tho, pretty good weapon

[tropic coral]

Hey embark, console only lobbies pls. Queuing once again for 30+ min and still no game on ps5 only.

And yeah yeah play with crossplay on but that shouldn’t be the norm, to be forced into a pc lobby.

Ridiculous!

[hexed vault]

Is it being used in higher lobbies I'm still Gold

[covert verge]

what are they supposed to do? they cant force people to play on the ps5

[opal ocean]

A little bit. It's not as good as people are making out. Pike and AK are probably better overall to use. But people need to have a gun to moan about every update. It's the law

[fluid raptor]

u should honestly add heirloom-type cosmetics. i'd love to just have a dagger-type knife that can satisfy my adhd while running around

[deep summit]

nerf sword its bugged you braindead devs, competent devs would disable it temporaryt

[bleak fern]

Cl40 pike and model are fine only lights complain about it which is crazy, lights be complaining about a two shot weapon while having a two shot weapon in their arsenal, they complain about pike while having sniper and their marksman rifle

[sharp bolt]

the whole community would like it if Embark could please change leadership of the weapon balancing, thanks.

[odd bronze]

i think there should be a option to change the crosshair of red dot sights. Big cross looks very ridiculous to me atleast i wanted a simple red dot. Also additionally option to change the colour of the crosshair in sight.

[sinful zealot]

silly game event idea: cash boxes rain from the sky and all cashouts are spawned

[static mural]

engimo ak skin PLS
its not fair that holtow and iseul-t have one haha

[wraith orchid]

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

[warm compass]

buff aim assist

[tawdry tree]

It's funny seeing very bad teamplay players destroying lobbies with only the cl40 and getting rewarded for being assholes

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[upper citrus]

Revert mesh shield

[fringe schooner]

Just go back to how it was and how it should be, consoles play together unless a PC player is invited to the team @covert verge At launch the pool was split but after they nerfed console AA they turned around and match console with PC to boost numbers. I don't have a problem finding matches on PS5 only but I'm probably not that good anyway. Very clear CQC advantage to PC though, especially since all the action usually happens up close.

[candid jolt]

What do you even do to rank up those badges? Is it by just playing the game?

[slim willow]

nerf the stupid nate launcher noobs getting easy kills for aiming like potatos

[covert verge]

I thought you had the option to disable pc players from console my bad. that really does sound a bit stupid

[glacial knot]

Imagina 3 medium all of them cl40 why you dont use your brain before you create or add any weapon in game @frozen heath @dense gulch

[flint spindle]

No

[lime flume]

anything on heavy is ugly af

[terse lark]

if you thought light was bad in season 3, light is gonna be terrible in season 4. the meta is looking like it is going to shift into a medium/longrange meta. (all the new sights for many guns, the new dmr being so oppressive at range, and even the deagles being nasty at that closeish to medium range) light only has 1 weapon that does reliable damage at range (lh1) medium and heavy weapons are much better at range (and they have more hp) (ak, famas, fcar, pike, lewis, m60). season 3 was a close range meta which light has good options (shorty, m11, xp5 except it is terrible now after the damage nerf, and the v9s)

[crisp bobcat]

sniper is completely irrelevant now - completely outclassed by DMR at basically any range - hitscan at any range maybe was too powerful for the sniper but again - that was its main utility. it became oppressive in gamemodes like TA and powershift but it was never that useful in cashout.

40 meters is an insanely short distance to lose hitscan and start to have drop - a good medium at 50-60m will FRY you with literally any of their AR options before you can rechamber your second shot. (pike can 3 shot lights body only and is stupid easy to use) It is a SNIPER RIFLE. for long range. and now its basically just the bow beyond 40m. increase the hitscan distance to at least 60m - it still probably wont beat the DMR but gives it a little more damage potential at range.

If sniper MUST have bullet drop - at least give it a sight option like the mil-dot above. Its REALLY hard to learn the bullet drop and account for it when you're basically just guessing how far above someone to shoot. mil-dot with practice would be much easier to learn drop distance bc you have an actual 'target' on the scope to associate with a specific distance.

sniper still probably wont have a ton of utility in WT/ranked cashout (it never did tbh) but its not even fun to use in casual modes anymore - i dont understand the logic of nerfing it to the ground because its 'too oppressive' but then you put a DMR in the game that doesnt even have falloff until 50m. at max falloff (55m) its still 73% so about 43 damage per body shot so it can 4 tap lights from any range and is very easy to use. 2 mediums on height with DMRs is the definition of oppressive right now. take seoul under construction for example - you can reliably deal pretty good pick damage from the high central point to players fighting for almost any other point (but dont worry, 3rd partying is better now - you can do it at a distance!)

TLDR: a sniper nerf was warranted, but this is overkill

[lapis oriole]

Not a big deal, but when inspecting contestants holding a gun, it shows a purple light on the floor that looks ugly if the drip doesn't match the light

[pallid harbor]

Why is there still no ADS sensitivy option above 100%?

[jagged totem]

FIX THE CRASHING AND HORRIBLE LAG PLEASE FOR PETES SAKE

[deep sierra]

Buff fcar please.

[versed hazel]

why does rpg have a chance of not destroying goo on a direct hit bro whaaat???

[whole hemlock]

CL40 needs to be nerfed or removed

[keen lily]

about to win the tourney and game crashes... had no crashes in the previous version

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[final haven]

bring back console only crossplay

[static elbow]

Ahhhhhhhhh whe the fucker from our team disconect and log in into las seconds i willl got - 690 oh goooood

[upper citrus]

Or you could use your brain to play against one of the most counterable team comps in the game

[wintry oyster]

In my opinion, the buildings go down way too fast. I can't pin point why, maybe the fact that everybody is using a buffed grenade launcher, maybe it is because the buildings (especially on the new map) aren't that well supported to begin with. But it annoys me so much that in almost every fight around a cashout inside a building, the building is gone within 30 seconds or so.
These brings up a big problem:
The fights become extremely random (which Embark explicitly said they didnt want in ranked for example) due to the fact that the whole sight just collapses on top of you. I get stuck every time because of some wall or roof that just falls on my head. Or I can not move around the sight anymore because everywhere are just building parts laying around.

I am writing this because this seems to be a recent problem for me. I never had issues with the destruction since season 1. But since this season it drives me nuts.

[ancient abyss]

As a solo player, i can say that the matchmaking is awful, it keep pairing me with players with 20 victorys as my teammates, and i have fcking 500+, i cannot rank up because of that

[frank gull]

"It's not fair that Medium's DPS isn't penalized"
I believe it through mobility, & specialization they are.... they're the least combat ready. I.M.O
"it's not fair that Heavy's DPS isn't penalized" Again I believe through lack of mobility & the largest hitbox, while being the easiest to predict is a balanced trade-off for DPS & Mobility. I.M.O
Plus *L has a hard counter to Mesh.

Everything else made sense.
R.I.P Xp-54 🪦

@dino.rawr#0000 it sounds like you agree on the role description you just want it to be more 3 dimensional & not so 2 dimensional however what sets this game apart is every 2 mins the battlefield changes & I feel like this is what elevates gameplay & separates it from ANY other game. Time just works differently the entire game you're trying to secure a S&D objective while trying to combo a squad wipe, While also constantly on the move. Tracking in that environment is crazy & requires a lot of patience and coordination. Most people are just focused on kills over wins. The thing about the finals is 90% of the time whoever wins or qualifies is dependent on the last set of vaults. It's not over until the fat lady sings. Most kids just get Lost in the music.

However role lock will only take away more destruction and chaos from the Battle Royale, Search and destroy play style the finals used to be.

It sounds good on paper until you're forced to play a class you don't like with a contestant you can't rely on.

[lime crypt]

REMOVE CL40, seriously who thought its a good idea?

[spice dagger]

noob tube is annoying no skill cannon

[tired fable]

☝️ Embark need to do that, but don't touch dash

[opaque holly]

Can we get a buff to the revolver? Love the gun but there's no reason to use it now with the pike

[copper idol]

A Game mode called skill issue for new players and everyone that are new and complain they cant win this could be for newcomers that are low level and make the level cap low so the "good players cant play it".

[graceful lion]

okay. the game feels good, maybe the akimbos are a bit OP. now is the time to add more social features. like not being able to add people on steam or chat with them so they know im up for a match is reaaaallly annoying

[chrome eagle]

Nerf CL40 when?

[hexed heart]

As someone who just started today the revolver feels great to use

[inland obsidian]

Can we get a Hulk Hands esque sledgehammer skin. Also can I please combine the Orf Tactical vest and Orf Handheld Heropack. Thank you

[warped wraith]

can we please optmize the game ;-;

[keen lily]

why do I get matched with silver noobs in plat lobby who never played the game, fix this shit, incredibly frustrating, 2 TIMES IN A ROW! matchmaking is broken

[wraith orchid]

exactly what im saying except the fact that the sniper isnt usefull in cashout and 60 meter hitscan still isnt enough. just ping some enemies mid fight and you will see that SO MANY OF THEM ARE BEHIND 60 meters. I played main sniper till emerald last season and i can tell if you use it right and also use lights utilities for the objective IT CAN ABSOLUTELY CLUTCH. but ofc there are situations where you are in a disadvantage but this is the case with every weapon.

[deep summit]

Disable weapons that bugged, its so simple, any competent game dev would do that. Sword rn is completely broken and people are abusing it

[vast quail]

kyoto is terrible. Open medium poke map. Very boring

[ionic rampart]

i can't tell if it's just me but i've had technical issues (kicked from server, game crashes) 4 consecutive times in ranked games after having a near flawless match history in world tour

[marble prawn]

pls change the sniper back some or raise hitscan

[lapis saddle]

BRING KBM TO CONSOLE BACK PLEASSSSER

[crisp bobcat]

Agreed - lot of its utility depends on map and mode as well: like it’s great for platforms on Kyoto, suspended structures Monaco etc - but that long range utility is gone with the loss of hit scan. If it’s gonna be a projectile weapon I’d at least like something in my cross hair I can use to fucking reliably aim at different distances and not have to blindly guess.

At least sniper shotgun is still an option 😉

[rose basin]

The ranked system should have an individual performance modifier in case of loss. One of the main complaints I hear is that they're paired with 'bad teamates'. And it is in fact probably the most frustrating part of SoloQ other than losing 1-2k Rs over teammates leaving. I think it would be fair if a player that got 15 kills with the highest score in the whole lobby, that they got some reward for their efforts, by this i mean something like a 10 - 20 % Rs loss reduction, nothing drastic. This would make it so that, if the game is mathematically a certain loss, then at the very least you're less likely to give up or feel like there is no more point in playing for the 1-2 minutes left since a good performance despite losing could soften the blow of losing.

[pale kettle]

for the love of god fix this cancerous GL meta.....

[stiff osprey]

The Current colourblind mode in this game may allow people with colourblindness to be able to differentiate the team colours, however they make communication a nightmare, Most of the teams colours are already high on the red side of the RGB spectrum so without a colourblind mode a colourblind person will struggle to differentiate but they will be able to communicate. the colourblind mode however changes all the colours in their entirety. A change to this could be for colourblind modes, to shift the shades of each team colour in a way they are easier to differentiate, or one could allow a custom colour changing for team colours meaning that communication can continue without difficulty of trying to figure out which colour your friend meant when they said orange but you see purple

[distant sluice]

why is every building on fortune stadium made of styrofoam. one pillar goes out and the entire building goes down. I get this game is supposed to have destruction but this just does not make sense

[heady meteor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/PAbTW8W8FO

[thin current]

CL changes need to be reverted

[cursive wolf]

1 - scout scope on revolver
2 - reflex sight on pike
thank you

[uneven dagger]

Buff pike

[upper citrus]

Kill this guy

[lime shoal]

I think Light class can be balanced by giving them a second weapon, (a side arm) even a basic pistol might do

[tired fable]

Engimo dude 😂

[brave dagger]

Is there any indication when we will be able to play with mouse and keyboard on console?

[young scroll]

please nerf the CL again

[hasty widget]

CL-40 is too OP + bugged (no self damage)

[proper crescent]

No that would be overpowered, the downsides of weapons should not be negated by taking up a gadget slot

[vivid jackal]

all right hear me out, light class with a decoy gadget or ability? 👀

[tender osprey]

Lose less elo when theres a fucking afk

[wintry oyster]

unpopular opinion: invent an experimental mode where team damage exists and see how it goes. could be fun.

[cerulean birch]

there would be teamkilling in every single game

[delicate scarab]

I keep getting ERROR TFGE0000 can't join a game. 5th time that i try to start the game. Any ideas ?

[covert nest]

Text chat fails to work after matches, almost every match. You cant get the chat thing to pop up

[visual bronze]

nerf pike

[short lodge]

Cl-40 is annoying

[quick coyote]

This bundle is too expensive. I would buy it for 500.

[warped wraith]

i would kill to be at higher than 20 fps every team fight

[merry prism]

I love this season! The only thing holding it back is the lag present, especially on Kyoto but a bit on other maps now... Up until this season I've never had problems. System: Xbox series s
Other than that this is the best season yet

[surreal meadow]

Engimo
Holtow
Iseult

Look; Holtow and Iseult can put aside differences & come together, we can agree Engimo is shit

[sudden zodiac]

Imagine You Could Glitch Defibbed Bodies To Cancel It That'd Be Pretty Cool I Think

[wraith orchid]

i personally dont think no hitscan is an option. or at least no option before 120meters because the movement in this game is so fast, that its basically impossible to predict player movements until they run in a straight line. and as soon as they know that they play against a sniper, they will start to jiggle and wiggle like crazy. EVERYONE THAT PLAYED SNIPER FOR LONG KNOWS HOW HARD IT WAS TO SNIPE PEOPLE AWARE OF YOU AT A FAR RANGE. its undestandable that sniping from spawn as in powershift is anoying, but the truth is that these people are actually soooo easy to counter but those complaining casuals just play like they only notice anything in between 40meters but above that its not in their hand anymore XXD. SINCE EMBARK WANTS TO MAKE THOSE CASUALS HAPPY TOO, I THINK 120-140 METER TILL NO HITSCAN WOULD BE NOT TOO BIG OF A NERF BUT WOULD FIX THE ISSUE OF SPAWNSNIPING IN POWERSHIFT. also in the right hands the sniper IS DEFINITELY DEADLY and i think there were just good players in ranked terminal that coul aim for heads. (played last round qc 20/2 with closely to no bodyshots) i bet some of them felt the urge to complain here. BUT IN FACT IM JUST GOOD AND THEY DONT ADAPT TO MY WEAPON. PLLLS EMBARK PLSS TAKE THAT FEEDBACK SERIOUSLY. SNIPING WAS THE MOST SATISFIYING THING IN THIS GAME AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT COMES DAGGER DOMINATION. i mean its still the most satisfying thing but only in 40 meters of range SNIPER!!!😭😭😭

[burnt cosmos]

Triple M with CL40. Playercounts are gonna tank like last season. @astral yew Also they did, play Ranked?

[astral yew]

Delete low gravity pls

[sand salmon]

1

[winter gull]

Whats the self damage on the nade launcher? It has to be single digit the way people are just spamming it under their feet

[tidal wraith]

holy mother of god the sniper changes need to be reverted ASAP since the gun is now ass

[wide void]

It's 87. It's not that negligible, especially if you get point-blank. But they could possibly up it to the same damage enemies maximally receive (117).

(Just remember Model does 128 at range with hitscan and does no self-damage...)

[tropic coral]

The current state of RANKED on ps5 is horrible, at least in EU.

1. Were supposed to be given a choice between cross-play on or off

2. If you have crossplay off and queue (ps5 only) it takes for us about 30/60 minutes and not even then sometimes we find a game.

3. To be even able to play ranked now we need to queue with cross-play on (finding games in 2/5 min). Going back to point 1, we then don’t really have a choice we’re forced to play with cross-play ON.

Final point and most important.

4. Pc has a big advantage with aiming, in the end it is a finger against a hand. Especially with the Pyke being introduced in this season, controller doesn’t provide that much aim assist against a hand with a Pyke.

PLS EMBARK, ADD CONSOLE ONLY LOBBIES.

Thanks for reading!

[paper oak]

buff the revolver

[upper citrus]

Nerf the pike and model

[thick sorrel]

That's why many asked for Model nerf too...

@paper oak red dot sight is already a huge buff, but it doesn't shine, because the other Medium weapons are broken: Cl-40, Model, Pike (can't believe it's better in every way than LH1 - it should be the other way around)

[forest mountain]

Day 3 of asking for the cl-40 to go right back to where it belongs, NOT IN META

[quaint forge]

Bro idk how people saying nerf this and that, how about you guys get good for once

[torpid sky]

nerf pike

make cl dog shit again, such a weapon should be for bots who don't play gun so it shouldn't deal that much dmg

nerf model

nerf deagles dmg fall off

remove glitch crutch(traps)

revert mesh nerf

nerf cns

do smth about winch or give it recon treatment

revert xp dmg nerf but nerf the range instead

revert dash nerf then give dash a rework since it is useless against actual players who can aim and track

[uneven dagger]

Pike should be buffed and every light weapon should be nerfed

Reason: because I said so

Don’t listen to stressedtaco his feedback is grounded, reasonable and not loud like ours, and it’s actual feedback ew

[soft wedge]

The most important problem of the game is the rank system it is not normal to be platinum and to be forced to play with bronze and not classified

[azure herald]

Overall I've been loving the new season. Feels like everything has a counter one way or another, and takes game sense to put yourself in a position of advantage over your opponents.

The only thing I'd like to see changed is having loss forgiveness in ranked if you lose a teammate or if you load into ranked and start the match with only two people. I had a game where my team was ranked #1 even though the matchmaking only put two people on the team. When we finished last place (as expected being a man down) in that tournament it tanked a ton of points.

(Edit) Tldr: Nerf light, bring back season 1 FCAR 😏 /s

[fringe lodge]

Nerf CL-40. Reload is too fast players are pumping out shots way too fast, take for example the shotguns reload interval when shooting on empty is quite long. The damage is far too consistent and my opponents are always hitting me for huge damage each explosion. There's also almost no self damage on the CL which makes it hard to use as a weakness for the gun
Nerf frag grenades. I feel making the frag grenade do less damage would be make games with them more fun. There's less skill and gun play if teams are just chucking grenades and wiping random people out

[sudden zodiac]

It's very clear medium is very prevalent this season with some of the best teamplay utility: zip, jump pad, fib, and heal beam and some of the best weapons: pike and model. You'll see a lot of ranked team comps be mmh or mmm because of the power that class has. I believe if glitch grenade was buffed to be able to cancel defib during the hologram animation it would cause more lights being added to the team to combat excessive use of tool such as defib. A change like this could encourage lights to play near their team in teammate fights and play for their lives to be able to cancel crucial mid fight revives. This isn't something I've ever seen brought up as a concept to make light more useful in team play so I thought I would just put it here.

TLDR: make glitch cancel defib during the loading in hologram animation

[mighty fossil]

why did they nerf centry guns and tank shield, its so boring.

[worldly scaffold]

CL40 does seem too strong atm, would be nice to get it to something similar it was S1 or S2, also, Embark pls, could the ballerina outfits be separated into top, pants, and lower back item? At least top and bottom. HAving a blast with S4.

[thin current]

Error code TFGE0000 is causing me to crash constantly for no reason in ranked

[gilded meteor]

Matchmaking/SBMM, whatever you want to call it seems off. I play with a silver and bronze teammate and we are in platinum lobbies most of the time.

[sharp acorn]

Nerf glass lol

[brittle creek]

This would be really cool. Saying that as a medium player.

[patent wind]

like as in cancel the ressed person loading in? then yes i agree

[merry totem]

As always I'm ambivalent. I'm tempted to complain about a few things, but I also know that there is nothing stopping me from playing the new metas, and if I don't want to, I'll just have to get even better at what I want to play to compensate. On the other hand, complaining is probably sending good signals to the devs. So I guess carry on... complaining is good actually. That said, I agree with some of the people above who think there is nothing preventing a slight refinement to the ELO system, aside from, oh, just complicating the devs' lives. 🙂 In fact, I really like how elegant the current presentation is. Perhaps one way to finesse the situation is to show case-by-case adjustments to players privately once they are finished in a tournament. Then you could do a few crude things in a very limited number of cases, like compensate players if they had to play most of a match without a teammate, or if the discrepancy in team ELOs are way out of whack in order to facilitate matchmaking, or if put in a match against mysterious 'unranked' players. Lots of cool suggestions above, though. I would agree with toning down the destruction on Fortune Stadium by even 10-20%, at least as an experiment. 🙂

[modern monolith]

please add a way, to have fav maps and dislike maps so there's a higher chance to get the maps u like and a low chance to get the ones u disliked

[crisp oxide]

NERF THE CL40 DAY 2

[tame lynx]

please add a public unique identifiant, like discord id for statistics tracking T_T

[keen lily]

get matched with a teammate 15k points below you, tournament difficulty "intermediate" lol FIX THE MATCHMAKING

[violet elbow]

ranked cashout is the same shit as S2 and Balance is back to S1 standards, lets give mediums more light guns and give people ranked badges on the scoreboard so they can hard focus others, nice

[wintry oyster]

I don't get Embark tbh

1. They say they don't want ranked to feel so random. So they remove the events in that mode. However, They introduce a new map where every buildin is destroyed in 30 seconds of a cashout, leaving nothing but random roofs and walls falling on everyone.

2. They say they want the objective to be as important as aim in the game. But then they introduce 3 weapons which are all aim based. The Deagles are fairly balanced. The Shotgun is maybe a little too strong but i think it works fine. But giving the Medium a DMR is just unnecessarily OP in general.

My wishes for this season:

• Fix ranked. I got much more problems like crashes, the map getting invisible, server issues, etc in ranked than in world tour.

• nerf the pike in a way that it is not just a free team wipe for any medium with decent aim, sitting on a random building instead of supporting his team like he is supposed to do (no, doing kills does not equal team utility. It can, but it doesn't have to).

• turn down the destructiveness of the buildings so that they don't fall apart so easily, resulting in completely unmaneuverable sides.

• turn down the damage range of the CL-40. Or turn up the self inflicted damage idk. But this thing needs to be nerfed.

• stop giving bans if someone has to close and reopen the game during a match because the game isnt working properly. It's literally not my fault if I can't participate in a match without restarting.

[rain epoch]

Nerf Pike, nerf Model. Period. The ideal team shouldn't be triple medium running any combination of these weapons.

The World Tour cashout changes from season 3 suck absolutely in Ranked.

30% plug leads to final cashout griefs. Paired with the horrible new "enhanced" spawns that will spawn teams on either the vaults or cashout.

I have clips on clips of teams spawning on deposit before I can even bring the cashbox to it. A few times where I've watched a team literally spawn in front of me.

The 10% wipe is meaningless snd contributes heavily to the grief meta. Team doubles last cashout, guess what? You can't wipe them and get first because 10% wipe, so now you have to fight 9 people to win last cashout, but one team isn't even trying to take the cash they're just focused on who they wanna grief out.

10% wipes have people jumping off map to wipe because it's easier then playing and reviving team, has people suicide fighting teams and holding them or even suicide pluging money because 30% plug is worth more then death lol.

[gentle raven]

Improve the anticheat false flags or at least put out a statement on what programs might cause a false flag. Im 2 suspensions in without ever cheating in my entire lifespan of gaming and I'm about to lose my account over a program I don't even know Easy AC is picking up. Pissed off if $300 just goes down the hole on this account for nothing.

[paper oak]

pike is balance, buff the revolver to balance its counter, added scope is a HUGE buff to the lh1 too.

[teal oxide]

Funny how the moaning hurricane of "Ls EVERYWHERE!!! SHIT META!!!" whiners seems strangely silent in this meta

[deep sierra]

Not complaining just buff FCAR.

[quick coyote]

NERF THE CL40 ...

[wintry trout]

sword hitreg is worse than ever. I use the lunge point blank and stab people in the chest and don't get a hit.

[proper crescent]

I've been using the LH1 since s1 and the scope kinda just makes it less annoying to use, it's not a "Huge buff"

[arctic hare]

Game mode suggestion ripped from the subreddit:

Engimo vs Holtow vs Iseul-t TDM 5v5v5. Winner gets bonus fans for their sponsor.

[undone cedar]

Wheres my ai girlfriend

[violet matrix]

They create an event to revive "digital money" and create new game modes, the game has become very repetitive and boring, it had become my favorite shooter, it's a shame they have abandoned it

[surreal meadow]

**EMBARK!!

DROP 5v5 CASH

AND MY WALLET IS YOURS!!! Day 25/100 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥**

[tough merlin]

... They have console only lobbies that's what crossplay off means. the queue is so long because people don't want to play with crossplay off. They've given the option of console only lobbies its on the people that want that to use it, while the majority it seems prefers crossplay on going by the long que times.

@tropic coral Okay that's a fair point. Still I don't think that's going to fix the problem. Even pc players player with cross-play on because of queue times (especially in off peak times). But regardless You're right they don't have an option for just xbox & ps to play together.

[tropic coral]

Console only lobbies meaning having both Xbox and ps5 together and that’s not the case now.
Now it’s either playing with only ps5 or playing with ps5, Xbox and pc.

@tough merlin Even queening between 16:00 and 21:00 takes about 30/60 min. I imagine it can at least be cut in half if you have Xbox and ps5 together.

But in the end I don’t mind pc but then again I do cause of the aim advantage (finger against a hand).

[paper rose]

EMBARK, GET RID OF MESH SHIELD'S NEW COOLDOWN AND NERF CL40 JUST A LITTLE, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
(Also increase explosive mines' destruction so we can use them as little C4s like in season 4's trailer please)

[umbral pebble]

The Season Intro is still not on YouTube. Why.

[plush grotto]

Pike op fr

[potent ginkgo]

Am I going crazy? How comes everyone is using cheats? It’s become such a normal thing, why is this kept quiet? Why can’t it be addressed? Or wait then more people will find out and cheat as well, rip to a lovely game, had one of the best times during the closed betas, will be missed

[versed cloud]

Look into spawns for offense in the final round. It is very unbalanced and favors defence since it only gives you one spawn location. I have locked down teams in the final round with no realistic way for them to counter unless they go around the map

[gleaming lance]

What you on about?

[burnt notch]

I think ur going crazy, dude

@violet matrix you can’t call weekly updates “abandonment”

[slender pine]

thats cool how they took the OP sword and made it more OP

[fading sinew]

Embark. Your game is fun and works well, minus some minor inconveniences.

But it is insulting to know that many people put time and money in your game and you can't fix your connectivity issues. An issue people have been asking for months now to be resolved.

I am tired of being in a lobby, especially a good one, and get a crash/connectivity issue mid game. When I am able to come back, a minute or two have passed and at least to me, is demotivating to try and get back in the zone.

Fix your game.

[frank gull]

I agree perhaps being able to toggle the position of W.T. & ranked status would be a great addition as well.
Depending on which you prioritize, or the option just to have 3 Badges if you don't play ranked at all.
Maybe go as far to simply just turn off the two?

I agree that level doesn't really matter.
I.M.O player card looks cleaner without it, however being able to toggle might be nice for new players that don't have badges.
Something is better than nothing.

Looking at the picture with the *L, if Embark allows for a different background on each player card it would be nice if each contestant had the designated background print on display instead of just the stock white background they currently have.
The bigger display on the middle left side of the screen can show all additional info, like badges, & stats.

@void blade to be fair someone shouted out *outfits presets before me a day or two ago.

@candid jolt IDK & I want to know... Embark blessed me with drip & I have no idea how valuable it is. Haha 😅

[visual zenith]

nerf noskill-40

[bold silo]

SEASON 6 HIGHLIGHTS

3 WINS IN A ROW YOU GET 1000 POINTS

1 LOSS YOU LOSE 1000 POINTS

WHO IS A GENIUS TO PROPOSE THAT AND HOW DID WHOLE TEAM AGREE LOL

[broken herald]

nerf model1887, cl and pike

[surreal meadow]

check the elo ranking of yours vs other teams, it correlates to how much you win/lose
if you do bad in lower elo you lose more cause you should be winning

@umbral pebble its on youtube, channel name is "The Finals", video is called "THE FINALS | Season 4 | Trailer"

[wintry blade]

Honestly my only good opinion of season 4 is the reticle. Other than that ima bout to drop the game, twas already bad enough when they kept nerving the invisible the main thing I use but then to go and nerf the knife which is probably the least used weapon.
The dmt for medium is just not wut they needed, and having it kill a light in 2-3 hits in half a second is bs, the mediums grenade launcher was already bad enough and certainly didn't need a buff cause now it's nothing but entire teams running that blowing everything up making the game frustrating and less enjoyable, the deagles are alright, the new shotgun for the light could do with a little balancing.
I'm running light with invisible sneaking up on people putting a good 4-5 bullets I to em before they react and they just turn around with either the pile, the grenade launcher or the shotgun and drop me quicker than ima losing ma will to live

[teal oxide]

You got your wins against players less skilled than you, and your loss against players equally skilled. How people still fail to understand how ranked matchmaking works is utterly baffling.

[proper crescent]

Server feedback: add reacts to this channel but have it only the ✅ and ❌

[sonic spoke]

To all the neysayers. Not dead. https://activeplayer.io/the-finals/
@misty rock
Does that include console numbers? Pretty sure not. What makes it garage?

[indigo forum]

Can someone Tell me if they fixed privat Lobbys/Teams

[analog gazelle]

Embark, can we have Las Vegas on Power Shift please? Has anything been said about this in the past?

[tall kernel]

Add the aug next season but fully automatic not burst

[copper canopy]

This game is a 11/100, except you divide the dividend by 10.

[mint quail]

Guys matchmaking is WEIRD!!! And that is me not using bad word out of respect for everybody reading this. I have played the last 3 world tour matches with kids. Literally. Levels 8 and 9 and teams against us are in ther 60s! Something needs to be fixed immediately before players start losing interest! But, until then... if you make your task manager "always on top" you can "end task" the game while in a game like this, apparently the game doesn't mind....

[harsh panther]

Cl40 is annoying as shit so here’s a few suggestions
-Just nerf the weapon again: people will bitch about the weapon being bad but I think it’s healthier than people bitching about it being overpowered
-Buff APS: Cl mains will also bitch about aps existing and the aps buff will indirectly nerf a lot of other things too (such as the mgl which is already not that good)
-Leave as is: I guess we’ll have to cope for it’s existence

[paper oak]

red dot on a revolver is also not a "Huge buff" but oh well, buff the revolver.

[dim root]

making the APS infinite again would fix things

[warped pendant]

Hey Embark, I think you guys forgot to turn down self damage from the RPG. Enemies get hit by 100, but myself - 180? 😄
Also, CL40 is fine, but takes away the fun from low visibility situations, when the player can just spam the cashout and not much can be done to protect it. It feels unfair that we can't see them, but they can just spam us so easily, not quite sure how to manage that though. Self-damage missing from CL40 also seems unfair, as it's there for RPG, nades and so on...

[gleaming marsh]

delete light class, cuz no one seems to care for it anymore.

how do the devs expect an already weak class, high skill ceiling to compete with 2 significantly weaker smg (now that they nerfed the only weapon that makes light even viable) against medium class buffed cl40 (diabolical decision btw), model 1887 that is a mid range beast for some fkin reason as a shotgun, 3 AR that is ones of the best weapons in the game, a stupid versatile DMR that 2-4 shots most people.

[sudden spire]

The ending of Skyway Stadium in Powershift is really annoying. On either side once you pass the 3/4 point its impossible for the other team to get back onto the platform, basically guarantying a loss, but making you suffer for 3 minutes as the platform slowly moves further upwards an away. You spawn in so far below the platform. It really should get harder for the attacking team the further you push, not easier.

[keen lily]

scope on the revolver is not a buff at all, it sways like crazy, ironsight still better and pike just makes a joke out of this gun. I mained revolver since s2 and now I don't really have a reason to pick it, this is painful.

on the other note: if devs ever get to gold 1 in ranked they will realize that pike is a big issue, not CL-40 that is a noob cannon right now like throwing knives used to be. entire lobby runs pike or model, nothing else

[fierce elk]

#1290779408948396085

[gleaming lance]

Good feedback? I don't know who you think you are, but that is clearly not allowed here.

[upper citrus]

Hi can medium stop being the best class in the game? Both heavy and light have glaring weaknesses. But medium can do everything. Medium should really be struggling in combat at close range so that it can be punished by coordinated teams or dives. Nerf model and pike :-)

[left warren]

Let us take the suppressors off the m11 like in the beta for no other reason then I don't want a silly tube on the end of my gun (unless you release an Escape from New York skin)

[versed eagle]

WHY DID YOU BUFF THE CL49 WHEN IT WAS ALREADY FINE

[cloud jungle]

Can we seperate "interact and equip weapon" on controller directional binding?
dropping a cashbox when trying to hop on a zipline is getting on my nerves

There's already a seperate "weapon" only binding, we just need an "interact" only binding.

[deft light]

Solo queue ranked tournament and that one player at the beginning..penalties have been soo lame that players happily quit
https://tenor.com/view/station19-jack-gibson-im-gonna-leave-now-im-going-to-leave-im-leaving-gif-25047357

[halcyon lagoon]

MacOS support would be nice

[dark niche]

dash needs to be nerfed, its so broken for heavys for short distance, on top of that anyone who used the sword has 0 skill dash and power sword is just way to broken at this current stage, played against 2 of them and im getting bullied its not even a lie lmao.

[sick stag]

kill cam/death cam. when. give a time

[gilded sage]

Sword shouldn’t insta kill. Its way too easy to use. Nerf damage

[remote verge]

it doesnt, it does 140 with right click

[uneven dagger]

Cl40 is very balanced and I also think pike and deagles are just as balanced, trust a red role over yellow roles

[meager wagon]

NERF. CL. IT. IS. NOT. EVEN. FUNNY.

[tawny oriole]

Unbelievble how much cheater are from platin and above, its no wonder the game is dying, it doesnt make fun for legit players any more and soon bo6 get released you can shut down the server . The only game which i know has also so much cheaters in ranked mode is cs2 @frozen heath @honest canyon

[rugged temple]

More options for private games would be nice, same with bringing back solo bank it to the available gamemodes.

[smoky gust]

No it would not

Lights and heavies just dont have aps, so theyre out of luck
And mediums have to waste a slot for aps, limiting the kinds of loadouts you can make and the fun you have

And against cl mediums its just a free win button again
Which is exactly why it got changed to begin with

Personally i still think the game needs some time to equalize first
But if it does and cl turns out to be an issue, then cl itself should be changed
It shouldnt lead us to create more broken items that make the game worse for everyone involved

[silent fog]

Your solution to HMM HHM is to make it just MMM? What is this balancing... It already had the model which was the best gun in the game and you give them CL and Pike too...

[lyric frost]

nerf pike

[silver swallow]

embark pls ban the people who cheat. Tons of people cheating on pc not getting banned and on console tons of people use cronus and xim pls ban them. Theres cronus users here since 4 seasons and they didnt get a single ban.
Zarkyu#9484 PLS ban this fk guy this looser is cheating since 4 seasons he uses cronus

[sullen aspen]

An aps buff to 20% drain instead of 40% it w/e it is now would do a lot to let cl40 be nerfed very slightly into a good spot imo. Even if that nerf is just fixing the self damage on it, it would be sufficient

Pike 100% deserves a nerf rn too, but I'm having fun with it.

[modest root]

Rework XP-54

[brittle obsidian]

pike is balanced because uhhhhh.... its balanced because um... uh... because uhhhh.....

[left warren]

I think just buff its damage a little and give it like 2 to 5 extra rounds in the mag and it will be good. Cause right now the m11 just feels like a better pick

[remote swallow]

Connectivity Issues are still insane, TFGE000x every game almost

[ionic sand]

the amount of DMR spam in Power Shift especially is absolutely insane. No matter how I build to counter, I can barely ever even get OUT OF SPAWN because of it, across many matches and multiple maps

[stark pilot]

The worst thinking about balance is " The weapon is easy to use need to be more more weak than high skill weapon. "
CL40 is easy to use but it' s definitely NOT a "OP" weapon in this game.
Learn how to against CL40 and learn how to counter every different weapon it is all noob need to do because CL40 is definitely a noob killer.
You can stand high to easy against it, you can quick put APS and fight with them with no risk, you can just jump to he's face and make DPS check.
Use you dash dodge, use shield block, have range weapon make more distance to shoot them, keep move and shoot to take less explosive damage.
This weapon has high TTK and need to predict, can't fight the people stand high and can't shoot someone jumping into sky easily.
That have a lot of disadvantage to counter, if you don't just peek them and against continuously in the same way, it would not a big problem in this game, I'm sure.
The most easily vertical combat can easily make CL40 weaker them most of weapon.
If a weapon only can do one easy thing. that one need to be powerful. That is great balance need to do.
PLEASE, Embark don't just trust those noob saying and ruin this game again and again.
I'm tired to only play AR or shotgun or LMG in high rank, there are so many different and featural weapon, but only 10 weapon playable in this game.
FMAS is strong a lot of time and nobody mention, that is weird. Maybe that say it's skill issue, but aim skill can be practice but weapon damage don't.
Skill let you can do more thing and win more games, but it's shouldn't dominate the weapon strong or not.
I'm a sword play since S1, but choose meta weapon still more and more easier to win or kill or do something in every game.
A lot of noob don't want learn anything and just complain and complain in this channel.
Someone don't want any balance in this game, that just kill some weapon they don't want combating.
Those noobs probably would complain WHY flamethrower can easily kill them with no skill.

[ember ridge]

FIX THE FUCKING GRANADE LAUNCHER!!!!!! 2 HIT FOR LIGHT??!!!!! NO AIM REQUIRED JUST SPAMMING

[ivory dagger]

cashout under floor?!

[vapid sand]

Tbh I play only light (cuz the other classes are simply too slow 4 me). I have absolutely no problems against CL. U just need to understand how to counter them. Use ur light ability’s, sneak behind them and don’t stay like a muppet and shoot.

[thick sorrel]

Compare Pike to LH1, the visual recoil is just stupid and makes the LH1 useless at max firerate. They should stop dice damage values and instead match up damage fall off for model, pike, cl40, XP54

[zinc meteor]

as a medium main, please nerf the pike. It's basically a better revolver with a scope, it shoots too fast for how much damage it has

[merry valve]

Literally this for sword, I have 500 hours maining sword and it is punisher for bad positioning and poor decision making making it good in low elo lobbies and progressively worse as people get good at the game. Calling for a nerf right now will lead to the complete death of sword in high elo lobbies especially since the ttk on anything other than light is long as hell

[brisk stump]

More events / mutators please! Love the chaos this game brings

[icy falcon]

For the love of all that is holy re-work the spear I won't die on this hill I will single handedly build the foundation of a spear based empire on it. LET. ME. THROW. THE. SPEAR

[deep summit]

Disable sword until you fix it like any other competent dev team would if their weapon is bugged and has an unfair advantage

[native helm]

Kyoto may just be the worst payload map I have ever seen in any game featuring the game mode.

It's beautiful, and works pretty well for a lot of other modes, but my god is it horrible to play on Power Shift. Nobody in that lobby is having fun.

[fair phoenix]

has anyone reported the permanent sonar bug?

[nocturne badger]

cl40 meta is the most silly thing happened this game after TA

[worn spade]

MnK support on consoles

[pure bramble]

Give the deagles an alt fire that allows you to ads with only one pistol and then increase the dispersion of its default fire

This allows for long range accuracy at the cost of halving your fire rate while allowing it to perform the same as it does now at close range

[upper citrus]

Just nerf the range and revert mesh shield. Heavy should not be having the ability to fight back from range

[honest verge]

CL-40 feels over-buffed. Definitely not fun to play against teams stacking it at least. Add on a defib, heal beam, turrets, etc. Its just an oppressive amount of easy to use utility.

[frank gull]

Personally like that glitch mines are the best gadget to counter defib.

Every class should continue to be the best equipped when encountering it's trade-offs on the battlefield I.M.O.

[tawny oriole]

Cl40 is a weapon for the skill issue players, They need to give them a chance to have fun 😂😂😂😂😂

[cerulean birch]

LET ME THROW IT, CHANT FELLOW HEAVY PLAYERS WE ALL WANT TO THROW THE SPEAR

[shut cosmos]

Fix the sword animation. The change to it this season makes it look like a glitch and the players just teleport forward for the last meter

[autumn linden]

GIVE US HULK SMASH ON THE MF SLEDGEHAMMERRRRRRRRRRRR, AND LET HIM THROWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[final solar]

pls i BEG you.... nerf back CL and nerf pike as well (and do something about glitchmines)

[hasty oriole]

I really don't understand the constant complaining about CL-40. I think its from light players.. which are supposed to die easy.. When I go against the CL-40 as a M or H I don't ever feel like its OP. I just get in their face and I usually kill them... However, I recently played powershift and that was the first time I was like OKAY this is annoying.. but I don't think it should be sent back to oblivion for the sake of Ls and PS

[ember ridge]

idk what rank you play but there's no way to just "sneak" behind him. and even if you manage to surprise the enemy shoot first and hit every shot. they will still have time to turn around and kill your first because their time to kill is faster than yours although you are literally are a light player. and cloaking doesn't work against the grenade launcher they just need to hear you and shoot in your direction and your cloak will be deactivated.

[heady heart]

gettting banned for 30 minutes when you DC out of your control and then try to recconned to the game multiple times is crazy

[polar tapir]

I HATE THE GRENADE LAUNCHER

[silver swallow]

https://prnt.sc/7xIobVsTaUVe This guy is cheating since s1. Get him banned pls. Hes using xim and cronus. Hes a shameless looser

[analog venture]

Xbox, plus you should just be able to tweak opacity for everything tbh.

[autumn warren]

teammate left ranked tournament, game says I can leave without penalty, I leave. and Ban?? wtf

[vapid sand]

Nah cloak is useful to sneak behind them but dash is a higher chance to kill (depends on weapon) but once you start shooting, you are a easy target. That’s when dash comes in. CL has a slow RPM and only a few bullets/nades so if you are the target, run and dodge them so your team can shoot. If they get shot it’s your turn

[prisma holly]

Hey the world tour overview has not been updated

[icy falcon]

I WILL MAKE A POST EVERY DAY TILL THEY LET ME THROW THE SPEAR

[tacit jacinth]

bro. floor on fortune stadium keeps breaking but not actually. it dissapears but u cant go through or shoot through. lost me a game

[storm tide]

Good luck

[rigid cape]

what are your oppinions on 5v5 cashout or team/solo deathmatch?

[cedar bolt]

any updates on pc unreal crash

[patent wind]

... every crash is an unreal crash. its run on unreal engine. perhaps give an error code/description

[round tangle]

Kyoto and Vegas still dropping major frames down to single digit FPS on X|S

[tawny oriole]

Some skills issue players need to have fun 😂😂😂

[sinful agate]

Best season so far. Incredible feel with all classes. The heavy’s main weapons feel just right. Medium is a blast, and light is also a guaranteed good time.
2 minor problems though : the CL40 spam is hard to counter when two teams have two CL40s and I feel the same about the Pike when people use it without the scope.
Otherwise : incredible season again. Great job. Great retention of players. Big W.

[ember ridge]

bro I'm not going to base my whole loadout around a Cleary op Gun. It can not be that I need my equipment and my special ability plus the help of my mates against a primary that requires no skill at all.

[mortal river]

so im in a ranked match right now where somehow i managed to get put on team by myself, am i going to get penalized for leaving?

[heady heart]

yes you will

[jagged vector]

Can we spawn closer to our team when we use the tokens instead half way across the map? It’s so annoying

[vivid swan]

Yep and youll lose the same RS as if you had all 3 teammates

[proud raptor]

The announcers should incorporate our new player numbers in their play-by-play

[visual bronze]

nerf pike

[abstract geyser]

i just want everyone to know the pike and the akimbo are actually too weak and the light shotgun is too strong, they really need to buff the akimbo and pike and nerf that shotgun because it kills in like 5 or 6 bullets which is crazy cuz it takes the pike like 3 or 4 but like its too strong and the pike and akimbo are too weak should have perfect hipfire accuracy on akimbo and dmr should just fire faster than the lh1 to blaance it out

[brisk garden]

-1000 RS because I only got one teammate??? solo queue is going to unalive me

[cloud jungle]

I wish the robot upper body supported other items like badges and lower back

[burnt notch]

Ew white role

[cosmic ether]

bro grow up

[frank gull]

If Embark could sprinkle in a little Reload cancel as well with that update that would be HUGE.
Was in S1 then poof...
Another piece of Utility gone.

[unreal fossil]

While I don't have much trouble during daytime, playing late at night has become impossible. After maybe 1:00 or 2:00 AM, I get crazy amounts of lag, with constant freezes and rollbacks. I guess the game no longer puts me in EU lobbies for quicker matchmaking, despite EU being set as favorite in the settings ? I never had such problems from S1 to S3.

Good news: the game is pushing me towards a healthier sleeping routine. Bad news: I would sometimes want to keep playing, because I'm on a vacation right now. 😂

Overall performance has gone downhill update after update since late S3. With my 10400F/RTX 3070, playing in 2k, I'm getting the usual 90-120 fps in High/RT off, but with downward spikes all the way down to 40-ish whenever there's destruction going on. I didn't have that kind of frame rate loss before, even when entire buildings were collapsing.

I hope this week's update will be focused on performance first and foremost, and quick fixes to weapons balance.

[near silo]

Completely agree and IMO, if sniper has to loose hitscan at 40m, ALL HITSCAN WEAPONS SHOULD, makes no sense that other weapons should have "faster" projectiles than a sniper. The fact that the sniper has been nerfed multiple times without getting any buff in return is a travesty, especially since its NEVER been meta in the one gamemode that really matters, cashout.

[past idol]

Console only crossplay

[near silo]

"Time to fret" expression doesn't provide sound and causes sound affect to happen repeatedly when you open the game.

[velvet nexus]

can we be real and say cashout is still like 50% random and 50% skill rn

[obtuse yoke]

The pike needs to be nerfed, I've been saying this since season 2. Long ranged weapons need bullet travel and or drop off. Making them hitscan is unfair because you can sit on a roof halfway across the map and not even have to think

[burnt notch]

im 15

[forest mason]

I’m getting Error TFGE0000, help.

[dark niche]

this sword dash thing is really starting to annoy alot of people, i can just tell how is 2 sword guys combining 30 kills a game its unreal.

[mild root]

All these updates and I still can’t change my loadout without reviving myself 😩😩😩😩

[manic steppe]

Revert Sniper Changes. Already a niche gun that maybe felt overpowered in low level ranked TA. You will hear people complain about being able to sit across the map and shoot people but that's not how you win in this game at all. I enjoy that glass canon style of play you get punished hard for missing shots, it's inaccurate while no scoping, it's it's inaccurate mid air, and the crosshair doesn't say center screen while moving. The gun was so bad people would automatically assume they lost if you sniped on their team in World Tour last season.

[mellow geyser]

Inaccurate hipfire from Deagles is NOT fun!

[rocky vessel]

Seriously, why am I penalized for leaving a tournament when everyone else in my team already left BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT EVEN STARTED?!

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 37)

[visual bronze]

NERF PIKE

[sudden zodiac]

That's why I said glitch grenades instead of glitch mines, mines should only work after the get back up glitch nades cancel it all together. That way instead of team fights being who can kill the other team twice over you have the ability to actually prevent revives and waste cooldowns as long as you have a light playing around your team.

[odd atlas]

Heavy shield cooldown after lowering should be at most 2 or 3 seconds. Making it not instant is a good change but this is way too much.

[uneven dagger]

buff pike

[surreal meadow]

agreed

id take a (assuming reactivate timer buffed)
~ -50HP/-100HP "tax" if you reactivate within cooldown timer
~ Less HP
~ Less regen

literally anything as it was the one thing that separated low elo mesh from high elo

[rose nacelle]

Mouse sensitivity feels odd since 4.0.0

[loud lantern]

you guys need better support - getting a scripted response every time i open a ticket followed by an immediate closing of the ticket

[fleet socket]

I like the tax idea

[hollow ivy]

WHY IS MY RANK 25K BEING PAIRED WITH 8K PEOPLE??????

[quick coyote]

imo the wins for the holtow circuit pg 1 should be toned down to like 15 wins, 10 wins is one i have been stuck on for a while now. cannot win even though i have been playing constant matches for hours.

[rustic tusk]

Just wanted to provide some positive feedback. Every season the music for the lobby slaps. This season is no different. Keep up the good work yall!

[brisk garden]

hey i remember playing with u. probably because u play like an 8k player lolol jk

[worn badge]

First ranked game failed to connect twice, once I managed to get in it wasn't even my loadout. This is happening almost every game, and its not wifi, because once im in it plays fine. Both my teammates quit. This season is so buggy, visually and mechanically.

[glacial salmon]

Buffing the CL40 because your OCD says it needs an extra free shot killing heavies is such a dumbass balance choice lmao the fuck

[icy falcon]

Let Me Throw The Spear Embark

[ripe nymph]

still getting tons of server or matchmaking errors (TFGE000_) even after verifying files :( game wont even let me play, pls fix !

[tight oracle]

CL40 made me rage 💥💥😱 Gotta thug it out tho 😕😓

[restive nest]

ranked kyoto... im taking the derank

[velvet inlet]

YOU GUYS WANNA FIX THE ALERT ON STEAL BUG??
We were right nex to the cashout and didnt hear any alert on steal.... Like... been a couple of games where i need to be looking at the cash because there is no alert. RN we lost a semifinal because of this shit
@pearl kiln

[muted jungle]

Trying to make a new character without bugging out of every lobby is maddening.

[mint quail]

Guys do the developers or the support have an official email, i would love to contact them

[loud lantern]

support is through their website, but expect to wait 3 days for a scripted response and an immediate closing of the ticket

[sudden tangle]

Yo next patch gonna make Light a viable pick for the first time ever!!!!

LIGHT HAS NO EFFECTIVE RANGE. GLASS CANNON CLASS OUTGUNNED IN EVERY ENGAGEMENT. NICE!!!

[topaz ledge]

embark should have increased fcar damage, because ak is just marginally better, even with the mag size nerf

[silver anvil]

REVERT THE FUCKING CHANGES HOLY FUCK!!! BUFFING THE CL40 IS PROBABLY THE MOST BRAINDEAD SHIT IVE EVER SEEN AND HAD THE HORRORS OF WITNESSING. IF YOUR WHOLE THING WAS THAT MEDIUMS NEEDED TO HIT ALL 4 SHOTS THEN WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU SAY HEY LETS BUFF THE DAMAGE, YEAH FUCKING RIGHT JUST GIVE THE FUCKING GUN 2 EXTRA ROUNDS.. THEN THERES THE GODDAMN PIKE WHY THE FUCK CAN I NOT PLAY MEDIUM OR LIGHT WITHOUT A 3RD OR A 4TH OF MY HEALTH BEING DEPLETED AFTER ONLY ONE BULLET. YOU GUYS WANTED A NON LIGHT META AND NOW HAVE CREATED SOMETHING ENTIRELY WORSE. ITS NOTHING BUT LONG RANGED ENGANGEMENTS AND EXPLOSIONS SO BIG THAT IT MAKES MY FRAMES DIP TO THE YOU'D THINK IM PLAYING ON A GAMEBOY ADVANCE!!! THIS GAME IS SO UNBLANCED THAT IT MAKES ME WANNA GO BACK TO FUCKING APEX. AND PLEASE FOR FUCKS SAKE PLEASE REVERT THE GOD DAMN XP-54. FOR WHAT REASON WAS IT NERFED IN THE FIRST PLACE IT MAKES NO SENSE. IF I WANNA USE THE LH1 I CANT BC I'LL GET OUT GUNNED BY A PIKE, I WANNA PLAY CLOSE RANGE NOPE CANT DO THAT EITHER BC CL40 AND SLEDGE HEAVY KILL ME IN 1 TO 2 HITS, IF I WANNA PLAY MEDIUM RANGE ITS NO LONGER AN OPTION BC EVERY OUTGUNS IT.

[tough merlin]

And everyone just scrolled passed your msg. congrats caps lock.

[torn loom]

Why do I lose 1200 RS in ranked when my teammate leaves before the match even starts.

[analog venture]

POV you don’t run APS

[azure jolt]

APS doesn't do a whole lot when a 3 stack is shooting at you all at once, an APS can only take 3 projectiles before it's totally gone, the weapon is completely busted and I'm surprised they didn't learn their lesson the first time they buffed the damage.

[echo urchin]

Might be a good idea to post patch notes in the game so that players who don’t follow content creators on YouTube or aren’t in this official discord will still see when they’re released and be able to read through them.

I also think the new player tutorial should go over coins, revives, and team wipes, because it’s obvious that a lot of new players don’t really understand those mechanics.

I also think that the mesh shield cool down should work the same way as the invisible specialization; every time you turn it on, it eats away a percentage until it goes into real cool down. That way, they can’t infinitely juggle back-and-forth, but they can still do it a little bit in moments where it’s necessary.

I think the CL40 should do more self damage and the APS system should get a little bit of a buff .

I’m actually perfectly fine with the pike the way that it is. Admittedly, I’m not that good with it; don’t like it enough to fix that. I prefer the Famas. It just genuinely never pisses me off when I go up against it.

I think it’d be cool to grant a badge or sticker or something for players who go a certain number of games without quitting. Maybe a small amount of multi bucks for every increment of games played to the end in a row just something to incentivize sticking it out a little more.

I’m also excited to see what other badges y’all are cooking up. Like, there has to be a “number of cash out steals completed” badge on the way.

Also, despite they’re being room for improvement, y’all fucking crushed it with season four and I’m having so much fun . Thank you for making such an amazing game. I’m really excited to see what else y’all cook up.

[naive seal]

The 1911 exists as a cosmetic accessory in the game, is there a chance that we will ever get it as a useable weapon or as a skin for another?

[quick coyote]

one last thing i would like to note with my feedback is that the light swords should be reconsidered or revamped. they can kill in 3 hits and ppl like me who arent the best at the game should have some breathing room to try and kill them. basically what im saying is that the guns on heavy cannot kill swords fast enough if your using keyboard and mouse. aim assist on keyboard and mouse would fix this problem with alot of people. also, if there was a locker thing like rainbow six siege has it would be easier to find skins and things, becuase i cannot find the skins that i have got.

*I KNOW PPL WILL SAY I HAVE A SKILL ISSUE.

[upbeat tree]

Mediums are better lights than light

[orchid holly]

what’s wrong with growing as a player and aspiring to be better? honest question. you recognize what’s up and seem self aware enough

[mellow geyser]

Inaccurate RPGs is not fun. Invisible butt shot and holding teammates hands is not fun. In-air in in-accuracy is not fun. Random falling is not fun. Grenade launcher primaries are not fun. Guns where you can’t consistently hit headshots with skill are not fun. Over-wrought destruction is not fun. Dumbing the game down is not fun. I’m not having much fun with the game.

[dense ibex]

Can we get a sombrero? :D

[dull kettle]

Yk what be cool? A rolled up sleeve option so I can still equip my watch and check the time

[flint panther]

WHY I CANT TURN MOTIONBLUR ON I TRIED EVERYTHING BUT NONE OF THEM ARE WORKING
NY FRIEND GOT SAME ISSUE I BELIEVE IT WAS A BUG
FIX IT!!!!! I NEED MOTION BLUR

[hardy bridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1289068862402465855/Card.gif

[frank gull]

what do you think about it's splash damage? Should it do more damage to the player using the weapon at point blank range?

[harsh torrent]

Btw, very interested on how and why the actual fuck would they buff sl-40????

Very, interested on how they did not learn anything

[hard timber]

Seems like the push to talk option stays on a few seconds after i take my finger off the key. Has anyone else noticed this?

[young hamlet]

CL40 is a skillless weapon. Nice bait attempt though

[echo radish]

It actually deals damage to the user, But Idk why it sometimes not working. Probably a bug, but still some of fight ends up with me also dying. I think self damage need to configured more, but considering CL-40 is close range weapon not like grenade or MGL32 that can used in corner, inducing same self damage level of RPG will probably removes cl-40 player at all.

[forest mason]

It feels so awkward wielding a dagger and drawing for a backstabs would take eons, atleast increase the speed duration.

[upper citrus]

This is not the issue with the cl-40. Bringing this back would make the weapon incredibly inconsistent given the serverside nature of the movement in this game.

In all honesty this weapon is completely fine, it is EXTREMELY counterable and the best way to fix the issue of players dying to it would be to add a tips popup to the game when you die giving advice on how to play against it.

But considering the fire rate nerf from the patch notes didn’t actually make it into the game, I’d assume that’s going to be how the handle it.

[obsidian ginkgo]

can we get back ranked points back if we played at two entire game (1 is leaving) why i had to lose 1200 points... embark made some quality life changes for soloq, it so frustrating experience

[mint quail]

Dear Embark Developers Team,
I have a few suggestions and observations I would like to share:

1. Matchmaking System: While the game is exceptionally well-balanced, the matchmaking system leaves much to be desired. I often find myself matched with players who have only a few hours of experience, while facing opponents who played the demo version. To improve this, I suggest the matchmaking be based on three key factors: player level, kills, and wins. This way, a player's skill can be better evaluated, as there’s a significant difference between a player with 1,000 kills and 100 wins versus one with 1,000 kills and 500 wins.

2. Match Leaving Penalty: Currently, I’ve noticed that players can disconnect their internet to leave a match without facing penalties. I’ve tested this myself, and it worked in two separate instances. Making it more difficult for players with poor connections to enter matches would improve the overall gameplay experience and preserve the game’s health in the long run. Players' ping should also factor into matchmaking quality.

3. Game Modes and Duration: Playing in the World Tour or Ranked Tournament often requires setting aside up to 60 minutes. While these modes provide great gameplay, this extended time commitment can be daunting. The “Quick Cash” mode, unfortunately, doesn’t offer a comparable experience, often feeling like a training ground for new players at the start of a season or a space for professional players to experiment toward the end. Additionally, the lack of a progression system makes it less engaging.

I propose introducing a new mode, tentatively named “Masters Race.” This would be a shorter, single match format combining elements of Cashout and Powershift. Four teams of 3 would compete to control two moving platforms with cashout stations fixed on top of them, adding a new layer of strategy. A new playstyle. A progression system with ranks and badges for this mode would further enhance its appeal.

[woeful arch]

Sandy version of the Vegas map : couldn't distinguish my teammate from an enemy player and stopped them from stealing a cashout, the time that we realize we were on the same team, the other team was earning their second cashout and coming back to defend it. The game color issue when it comes to identifying quickly teammates is very frustrating.

[night vortex]

I had a similar problem the other day with the orange team in the finals. We could barely see them until they got on top of us. It was insane. Even with proxy and recons.

[restive crescent]

revert damage buff to CL-40

[celest tree]

sfx for like a ding or something when u get party invite

[quartz cedar]

Revert changes to XP-54 and CL-40, otherwise I don't care what you do for the rest of the season.

I love this game but your balancing team is running it into the ground, and it's really worth considering to quit, even after spending hundreds of $ to support this project, that has such potential.

Nerfing RPG and buffing CL-40 to the point where everyone you face is a healing + defibbing walking RPG with infinite ammo and no cooldown makes no sense, even a toddler could figure that out, but not your balancing team.

[jagged vector]

Nerf the heal beam, I’m sick and tired of 3 stack of healing

[terse lark]

im glad the new weapons this season are strong on release unlike the season 3 weapons. people can enjoy them with the new season. but holy fuck the pike and deagles are more than a little overtuned they are disgusting

[gloomy cave]

Not saying the guy you're replying to is right, but one of the more annoying aspects to me is that it's explosion radius is kinda huge, which even if it does minimal damage completely restarts your health regen delay. This can be a big deal, as such I find this to be slightly overtuned since you can just run away and delay peoples regen/do a decent amount of damage while their team follows up, especially while around corners/walls.

Also I didn't realize I was 12 hours late to reply lol

[halcyon depot]

I think it's about time to quit this game.

Even when I finally manage to connect after trying many times, if I join in mid-match to replace someone who has left, the game ends before long and I'm faced with another long, long battle with connecting.

At this point, I feel like I'm okay with starting up the game every once in a while and connecting within five minutes.
If it takes longer than that, I'll quit this game and do something else.

[uneven dagger]

[pale quest]

for the new players maybe they should put a warning on quick play modes that its deathmatch simulator and not to expect for anyone to play objective

[lunar geode]

Real quick..
The Finals Team said they're nerfing rpg to make it more used for destruction instead of damage dealing...

So what's the point of CHARGE AND SLAM

As a GooSledge player in this meta atm, I caaaant get value! 80 percent of heavies is running Charge n Slam! I can't NOT run into a team that isn't running charge and Slam for at least one of their heavies

[upper citrus]

This is just because they nerfed mesh. Charge is now the best heavy spec. Winch is also good but they gutted its range instead of fixing the actual issue (non reactable instant value)

They really need to revert mesh shield

[violet matrix]

Delete CL-40 IS SO PATHETIC

[cerulean birch]

BUFF CL-40

[molten trail]

add goofys dance from the mickey mouse club house as a new emote

[frank gull]

it can already be dealt with I.M.O with basic coordination.
The only thing I'd recommend next is perhaps allowing glitch grenades to detect Defib like mesh to blow up on impact, but *L utility is already broken compared to *H & *M personally don't think Defib. Has been a issue since S2.

If you stick a mine on the trophy they will have to shoot it, probably get zapped, & have to relocate entirely. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by saying they only help after.

"mines should only work after they get back up glitch nades cancel it all together."

Are you saying mines shouldn't cancel Defib & only glitch grenades should should cancel Defib?

@pale quest Thanks for the advice...
Definitely hadn't realized since I've never used the weapon.
I would have lost that 2 v 1 any other day.

Embark 🗣️📣
Buff APS to tank more projectiles, maybe even a slight buff to A.O.E
Consider Reducing cool down on Glitch mines to 15 sec 🙏🏽
Allow glitch mines to have hit markers

[stray siren]

The cl40 is such a braindead weapon

[hidden swan]

👀 BUFF MODEL 1887

[proper barn]

Please fix the no reg shots on people dashing and using jumppads. You can often see coins coming off people but they dont take any damage when using these abilities

[odd atlas]

I agree on the in-game patch notes point

[sudden zodiac]

I'm saying it would be a good change because it would add more depth to class picks.

Your clip is a team of 3 mediums fighting 3 mediums it clearly shows there's one class doing better than the other two. The reason it shouldn't be on glitch mine is because then it would negate the benefit of having opting to have a light in your team and it would just prop up triple mediums more. Also to say light utility is better than mediums is absolutely wild since defib is probably the most oppressive and most picked secondary utility in the entire game.

[sudden tangle]

Healbeam should not stack and should heal less if target is taking damage

[true harness]

The CL40 is INSANELY OP. What on earth is going on? That thing needs to be nerfed ASAP.

[honest island]

where is the halloween event 🎃 🎃 🎃

[gaunt coyote]

What's ERROR CODE TFGE0000

[winter vapor]

you keep putting me in matches with 2-3 minutes left where plat is 90% pushed our direction with trash teams.

What is the matter with you? Its such a simple fix. This shouldnt be an issue in 2024, nobody wants to join in on these. Put in an option to finish the match when the entire team leaves instead of adding them in 1 by 1 against a 5 stack.

Its terribly implimented and you have done NOTHING to resolve this.

[inner zephyr]

why does the 2 shot shotgun on light now 2 tap a heavy?

[upper citrus]

Because it’s incredibly risky for a light to get that close to a heavy. It’s risk vs reward.

[gleaming lance]

Don't click

[mighty heath]

Pls fix the kyoto map currently unplayable laggy asf every game but only that map

[pallid oasis]

They should make it so you need to be a certain level before being able to play ranked😭 me and my duo got into a game with a level 14 who was lost the whole game and dc’d halfway through

[tribal spoke]

Im really hoping there is some sort of dual blades buff next patch, at this point I will take anything but the dual blades are really bad, my solo que teammates actually troll and throw matches if I dont swap of them (I wont)

[dim kelp]

Can console have the ability to see the chat cause it’s annoying when some of my friends don’t have mics and use game chat, don’t see why we can’t at least see text chat

[cyan wagon]

27 minutes and still in ranked queue

[shrewd tundra]

allow importing other peoples crosshairs

[uncut stump]

This list screams "skill issue"

[eternal cape]

please fix the statue teleporting to spawn bug!

[violet matrix]

Delete CL-40 is so pathetic

[modest quest]

Regarding the new hedge hunter dlc, I can't just wear the helmet, it has to be with the shirt, does embark make it like that?

[tall cradle]

Weapon scopes need customization or at least colour blindness options. They're all red, I've tried a few, and it's way too hard to see against some surfaces, not to mention visual recoil of the actual reticle. It's very noticeable with the red dot, give us an option of static vs. "in-world" same as hip-fire crosshair.

[ripe pike]

why does the game freeze after ever round? trying to play ranked and after every single match the game just sits in the knockout ladder screen for 3 mins ish and then either disconnects or sends me into the game which my team has already played 3 or so minutes without me? the fuck is going on?

[somber nymph]

Please give us a ghost sheet cosmetic for halloween

[slender oasis]

List of errors I've randomly gotten and tried to fix in various ways on my own:
TFGE 0000
TFGE 0003
TFGE 0008
TFGE 0020

Never had much of ANY codes EVER in the last 3 seasons. You cannot tell me this shit is somehow on my fucking end only. FIX YOUR FUCKING GAME PLEASE I'D LIKE TO FUCKING PLAY. I PHYSICALLY cannot matchmake reliably thanks to these cycling through.

[sterile tusk]

Get your shit together and balance the Cl40 god damn you clueless kids
By the time you get a balancing update out I've learnt how to code and done it myself

[cerulean crescent]

Respectfully, I have to agree with the CL40 complaints, I lost a tournament game because a three stack of mediums ran turret + defib + and CL40 in the final round* and despite running the weapons we were skilled with we’d be wiped in spite of our ability to play, It feels woefully under balanced if A single weapon can guarantee a win and rewards annoying/exploitive gameplay rather than being good at the game.

[mossy cape]

release a dmr thats about as good if not better than season 1 scar and doesnt hotfix nerf it. gj.

[fleet socket]

Also what @somber nymph said

[sacred siren]

fix it bro

[ripe pike]

the fact theres no loss forgiveness in ranked for having sulky fucking teammates that rage quit is stupid

[stoic lion]

Yeah

[still plinth]

** The content can be strange using a translator.

I want you to fix any problems that affect gameplay with a hotfix.

ex: Light dash + sword causes instantaneous tearing of the model, making it difficult to deal with.

[strange ermine]

Flamethrower rework proposal:

• Increase the range to 30-35m.
• Tighten the cone into a thin stream to accommodate the new range.
• Reduce the damage to 20 or less per tick.
• Increase the mag size to 50.

Currently the Flamethrower is having a bit of an identity crisis, having to compete against the 1216, Sledgehammer, and Spear for dominance as a close quarters option. These proposed changes will help the Flamethrower to carve out it's own niche as a ranged team support weapon that excels at suppression and area denial beyond the capabilities of the 2 machine guns, while not encroaching upon their places as DPS weapons. Additionally this helps alleviate some of the frustrations of players having to fight the current Flamethrower, as it will no longer have the advantage in close quarters and will be significantly less distracting without the rampant particle effects of the cone preventing enemies from accurately aiming.

[wraith orchid]

true it reallz is like that you just need to be the way better more skilled player as light wich is kind of unfair

[quick coyote]

We need fortune stadium and Las Vegas on powershift

[sterile tusk]

I don't get how you can release an actual season with potential, increase player numbers by half, and then go off on holiday instead of hotfixing and balancing the meta. You could finally push toward a fully competitive game, invest into a tournament creating an Esport Scene instead of a range of employees, and safe your game from dying so the existing employees can feed themselves. I swear only in gaming you can get away with this mismanagement in a business.

[ripe gulch]

CL-40 buff needs to be reverted and needs to damage the player more when they shoot it at their feet. Similar to the heavy with the RPG.

[quiet plaza]

^CL40 Is pretty rough, at least add higher splash damage to the user that has the offending CL40 equipped in CQB similar to what happened with the RPG; if the damage has to stay

[cold bolt]

cl40 and dmr are pretty overtuned rn (dmr in particular is the most oppressive gun in the game's history), music is great as always, destruction values are too brittle on fortune stadium or something bc you sneeze wrong and suddenly the whole building chain reacts / decays on its own rapidly and makes team fights too messy compared to other maps destruction values, drip is immaculate as always, sponsors are great, rpg nerf good, xp54 nerf good, lights still need more value for high rank competitive viability, sword buff unnecessary, dagger change good but sword just simply better, s2 and s3 weapons need love

@tribal spoke everything is oppressive against dual blades, that's like, the worst primary in the game by far they need to buff em

[tribal spoke]

Cl40 is really opressive against the dual blades, at best, you can force the enemy player to kamikaze

[analog hearth]

Do something about player matchmaking already. I haven't won a tournament since the start of season 4. It's very difficult to win even one round. There were no such problems at the start of season 3, I won relatively often, but now it's some kind of nightmare. Are there only pro players left in the game?

[cold lotus]

Buff the CL40

[visual turret]

heavy has no counter play against a team of 3 medium stack with dmr/PIKE, especially in map where verticalty is involved.

since heavy has limited damage output in long range and all 3 medium has heal beam and defib. even on the off chance u did kill one of their medium, they just defib him right back

the only way i can see winning against that is another team running the same loadout and classes. please address this.

[keen abyss]

L take flamethrower is literally no skill asf get close and spray in the general direction of any enemy nobody likes playing against flamethrower especially if you make it long range witch is its one weakness

[wintry oyster]

Medium class is to op right now

It has no downsides anymore. Its versatile, it got every weapon type in a either highly good or way to strong variety. You can do anything with a medium.

The light has not reason to be played anymore instead of the movement abilities because of the pike.
MMM is the strongest team comp rn (stronger then ever before)

I know this game is supposed to be a hero builder but why invent classes when the middle class is just the strongest

Heavy at least is slow and has weapons who are either of a special variety or not as straight forward due to weird recoil or low dps (which is a good thing because a class should have its ups and downs)

But medium just doesn’t have any major downs anymore

Nerf medium pls

[boreal wagon]

please PLEASE PLEASE incentivize other team comps than triple medium... it is SO boring playing every other match vs full medium lobbies running pike / model / CL with triple defib..

[cursive kelp]

When I check my scoreboard it shouldnt be covered by the active map manipulation. If I want to see my current kills it is covered by “METEOR SHOWER”

Also the current stage 1 Engimo contract does not include power shift for the team wipes. I’ve had a bunch and they do not contribute.

[strange ermine]

Not being able to read more than 5 lines of text must make life a right bitch for you, man. The rework aims to make Flamethrower WEAK in close quarters, and remove the parts of it that are making it an annoying skill-less hose that nobody likes to fight. Stop being lazy and fucking read next time.

[prisma harbor]

I don't understand how it's possible that the CL40 and the DMR of the medium aren't nerfed yet. This ruins the gaming experience for new players who will never come back. Even if you do it on the next update, it's too late! what are you waiting for? you do a good job on a lot of things but ruining everything with this questionable choice. Finally the 3xMedium is completely broken and it should not be possible to have 3 defibrillators

[hardy bridge]

me when i forget antigrav barricades cover and dome exist

[regal stratus]

agreed on this, the CL40 is way too overpowered now, there is almost no point in using other weapons when the dmr or Cl40 just dominates the game and can't really do much against it

[cold bolt]

mediums the golden child rn

[hollow rain]

we need a points shop for the finals with sick animated profile backgrounds and such

[quick coyote]

Nerf model and pike

[boreal wagon]

absolutely unfathomable to me that they nerfed XP before they nerfed model... You're nerfing the LEAST picked class by a landslide in ranked to favor some fucking aids, braindead, boring, snooze fest, sleeper triple M stack with pike pike pike pike model model model pike model pike model model pike meta... its not like model1887 stacking + defib is a new thing.. PLEASE I IMPLORE YOU TO SHAKE THINGS UP. IM TIRED OF 1/2 MY LOBBIES LOOKING LIKE THIS..

LMM
MMM
MMM
MMM
MMM
MMM
MMM
MMM
MMM

[queen spindle]

Realest Feedback ive seen today

[night vortex]

Medium team only teams you have to fight seven times before they run out of resource lmayo

[true heron]

Ok. If I close distance as a light, in no sensible world should a nube toober be able to splash damage me to death and survive themselves. Even the heavy’s grenade launcher takes skill cause it’s not explode on impact ffs. I’ve never felt more cheated in this game by a weapon than I have with this. Zero skill, no drawbacks, good dps. Just delete the gun. Mediums shouldn’t even be this capable of dps output if they’re the “healer” class.

[silk shadow]

😢

[mortal notch]

I’d rather eat bricks and watch paint dry than play model/pike dogwalking meta

[quick coyote]

Yes!!

[strange ermine]

I don't believe the CL40 damage needs to be nerfed, but the self-damage incurred from aiming at your feet should be far more impactful. Y'all nerfed the RPG in the same way, I don't think anything more needs to be done with it.

[quasi dagger]

Yep, dont need a nerf, need to be disable. We dont want unskilled weapon who ruins the game. Thanks

[next crest]

what time does the shop update

[regal stratus]

but it doesn't change the fact that people who use the CL40 can just high ground and spam the living crap on enemies and not get punished, even if they do get close enough to do self impact on themselves , it just a free dps cause of the buff with the direct impact the enemy will die in seconds

[terse slate]

If they high ground they will still get killed pretty fast by pike, lh1, sniper. There are enough ways to play around high ground.
But there should be nerfs to the short-range fights with cl40, meaning self dmg multiplier higher.
grenade launchers are med-long range weapons.

[keen lily]

fix the matchmaking in ranked, it's bullshit

[wraith orchid]

revert sniper change or raise hitscan range to 120 meters or above this weapon should be able to outrange every other weapon including bow

[brittle obsidian]

the fact MMM is the only comp-viable triple stack should speak volumes on how fucked medium is as a class

[torpid sky]

2hr and 30min, around that

[fervent coral]

When that pike nerf comin in

[timid musk]

When playing with friends, I wish the matchmaking system wouldn't pull us up to the higher-ranked member's RS. I'd prefer if it calculated based on the average RS of the whole team.
Also, why are we placed in the seed slot every time? Is it possible that everyone's team is being put in the seed slot?
And regarding the ranking system, please don't forget the fear of Terminal Attack.

[obsidian snow]

did they reduce the tick rate of the servers, i feel like im getting shot through walls and falling through platforms waaaay more now

[ornate sandal]

I wish their was a way to change the body type of your character like choice between buff, skiny, fat and default but the hitbox remains the same with a few minor adjustments and heavy could have bulky instead buff and no skinny option(mostly because the heavy is meant to be big)

[violet elbow]

hope we get some balancing today that for once is aimed towards cashout and not powershift!

[gilded fern]

remove TAA

[woven wasp]

CL40 whinge post

[dark niche]

ranked RS is kinda bs, ur telling me u lose 1.3k cuz ur the 1st seed, u dont even get that much for even winning some times, u get like 900.

[gloomy falcon]

Day 4 of asking
Nerf CL-40

[coarse jetty]

man why does embark have such a propensity for rapid updates but choose not to use it for actual balancing changes like nerf the pike already for gods sake

[verbal bane]

Matchmaking:

It would be really great if there were some "Look for Group" option, where you could form a party with other people who also want to play in a party, but are not necessarily on your friends list, and then play multiple matches with this same party.

[sage sapphire]

Medium as a class should do less damage entirely across the board as they are supposed to be a support class. Pike is ridiculous op. Every lobby I’ve been in for the past few days is atleast 25% cl40 users AND 10% pike users, then there’s guaranteed to be more mediums running every other assault rifle. Medium has to be the most played class rn.

TLDR nerf medium damage

Heavy needs a buff in fun, like make the grab cube 2x better. Make it float players 2x faster. Recuse cooldown by half or give them two. Considering making rpgs just for arena damage + adding a rocket jump ability. Either give heavies their second c4 back or let nukes be made, the delay on blowing up charges is just annoying for all classes.

Light tbh is the class closest to being in a good position, it’s fun, has some strengths but is easily countered. Lots of its weaker weapons should be buffed, it should do the most damage as a class.

Heavy needs to be more fun to just stand there and soak up damage, while giving a some out
Medium needs to have hard nerfs to its damage output across the board, and strong buffs to its support abilities
Light needs slight buffs

Otherwise the MMM/HMM meta will never end
Mediums should have to rely on the other classes to put out damage
Why wouldn’t I just switch to running the mediums lh1 or the mediums rpg with healbeam jump pad zip line demat turret. All of the mediums specs and gadgets are top tier across the whole game, and that’s how they should be. Mediums should do less damage to trade for doing more support

It’s really hard to want to keep playing rn when I am not a medium player, but mediums are aping every lobby

[wide void]

@prisma harbor CL-40 has a low skill floor, but its DPS and TTK are lower than the hitscan options. Plus it's a dodgeable projectile that self-damages. It might be strong in low-skill lobbies where accurate hitscan aim is uncommon, but it gets completely outclassed by other options at higher skill levels.

If you want to raise its skill floor (e.g. by reducing the splash radius, which doesn't affect the skill ceiling much), fine. But don't pretend it's overpowered all the time, please.

also, yes, please for the love of God remove TAA already, it looks terrible :(

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[fading flame]

Nerf medium weapons dps

[violet elbow]

love losing 2k for being 1st seat and gaining 350 :)

[timid musk]

The moment I reached Gold, I got thrown into a Platinum lobby, and to top it off, I was treated as a 'seed.'
It feels like the ranking system has gone back to how it was in Season 1.

[frozen vapor]

just lost 1000 rs to a cheater fun game

[feral adder]

It is overpowered, literally 50 ppl here are writing messages to nerf it. The grenades are also not dodgeable because they fly quite fast. Mb you could dodge one from 100 meters away but a gl in front of you hits you every time. It is also not outclassed by any weapon but the pike, which is also op. Maybe in the top 0.1% of players, it’s not that good, but in the 99.9% it remains op.

[hexed osprey]

With how many quitters are in this game, we really need something that makes it so the remaining player(s) in the game can leave without a penalty, or at least you don't get any Ranked penalties when you inevitably lose.

The seasons before this had quitters, but S4 I'm seeing easily one or two quitters per round in Ranked, and it's not uncommon to see only one person being left in a team if they don't instantly get the first cashout, including my own team. More than once I've been in the last round of ranked and two of the opponents quit as soon as we got the first cashout, didn't even try to comeback.

Please, at least let the remaining players leave rather than getting hit with the rank loss + wasting like 10 minutes of our day. God, in the last FOUR games I've had at least one person quit the second they run in like a dumbass and die. Die > Quit -- it's nearly instant. This means that in my 2-ish hours I can play per day, I've wasted like an hour just... waiting to lose.

[pulsar yew]

There isnt a pancake stack on a plate mine skin

[dusty fox]

Are there people more incompetent than the creators of this game? I have my doubts, season 4 was supposed to be for a resurgence, not to finish burying the game play 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[vapid sand]

well.. the game runs not that stable.
I also got so many crashes since the Beta. I thought they will fix this until the release but here we are in Season 4 and still crashes. Much less but still crashes. Its very frustrating during ranked. You always lose a few minutes and the round is almost 100% lost until you are back in the game. AND THEN YOU NEED TO WAIT UNTIL U GET REVIVED OR USE A COIN like.. Why.
But i agree, if someone got a crash or something, the otherone should be able to leave.. or at least give us a instant/free respawn after rejoining the match. I lost so many ranked games because of crashes

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[bold silo]

Brosky I get that, but 3 wins give you same + of points as 1 loss in first round, that does not make any sense.

[woven wasp]

I think it is more about the weapon being oppressive than actually OP. It reduces the amount of fun within the lobby and game overall.

It is at that point Embark need to look at it. I'll die on this hill.

[cyan trench]

PLZ add indications for grenades, its crazy to insta die out of nowhere

[shadow patio]

cl40 self damage needs to be increased by 30%

[tall juniper]

PLEASE NERF LIGHTS🙏 🙏 especially M-11 and XP-54

[manic gale]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hard badger]

I feel there are a lot of wallhackers in this game. PLEASE FIX THE CHEATERS! Its not normal if ure cloacked and people still find you and kill you...

[feral adder]

How does light need a nerf? No one picks it in ranked anyways and when you pick it, you’re destroyed by pike, cl 40 and double deagle + most of lights weapons and gadgets received nerfs already

[finite galleon]

i love how even when light became utter trash people still complain about it and not notice how more than half the lobbies are CL40 and Pikes with akimbo charge heavies

[neon cargo]

buff mp5

[broken herald]

nerf model1887, cl and pike

[gritty garnet]

i have no problem with lights nor heavies but CL40 is a real epidemic, even my teammates flame me for not using it in world tour
its not fun to play against for any class, its destructive for both teammates and enemies, and its a very low risk high reward weapon

[rough herald]

convert cl splash damage to a bonus on direct hit
40 splash and 70 direct bonus something like that

[trim saffron]

throwing knife no reg

[smoky basin]

You re right

[dark niche]

What they need to fix:

Rank System RS -
Some times u lose 1.3 - 1.6k - the other you only gain 1.3k - 1.5k if you win (your gonna prob lose more than win)
i think to make it fair you can gain points if you finish in the top 4 at least its unreal how many games ive been 2nd rounded and gained - 300. (this is gold - plat ranks)

Sword and Dash, its unreal and unbearable to counter its like they just teleport away and you cant do anything about it.

CL40 - Model - Pike (most broken combos currently hard to play against especially as a heavy with the mesh shield)

Buff Heavy Flamethrower at least range + Spear.

Stun Gun Is Overpowered and hard to also counter, make it where you cant swap out guns or utility? instead of freezing in a spot for so long instead of just being a target for lights to pick an easy kill.

I also think Landmines should go back to 2, not a 15s wait time, i found this to be important to kill lights since they love to just run up on everything.

Revert Mesh Shield, i feel like with this current mesh shield its no longer useful as a team specialisation, more of a yourself to protect yourself from getting shot, id be happily given the 500 health as long as u can spam the shield.

Also id like Console Only Servers back, at least make all console players have crossplay off instead of on, its more fair for everyone, for controllers.

[clever gyro]

Please remove the raining variants. It's still raining inside on our screens on PS5

[restive crescent]

are you guys insane? wheres the cl-40 nerf?

[earnest sierra]

HOW THERE'S NO CL-40 NERF ARE YOU GUYS SERIOUS??????