👂┇game-feedback

[signal basin]

This shouldn't be possible.

[elder folio]

I played a round with two CL40 teams, one mmh team, my own team being lmh (I was the med, running demat, reshaper, zip and defib, fcar) we won pretty handily. You know how? I thought for a second before engaging. Told my teammates "stay together, but not too close so we can beam down whoever appears but not all get hit by one nade". Realized that gls have a much harder time damaging people above them, so my team would approach from above, and that made the CL40 next to useless. Like that, we steamrolled both gl teams and the only one we had any issue with was the mmh, but we pulled through. If you're having issues with someone running all cl40s, it's a genuine skill issue. It's a terrible team comp, and it only beats people who run headlong into full teams solo
@tough sapphire good takes

[rocky remnant]

Please make sights also static it makes aiming a nightmare especially lower fire rate weapons

[whole hemlock]

CL 40 is so trash and unbalanced
why can u just break any floor and run all 3 mediums with it and just melt people
you can t bodyblock stealing cashouts
high asf firerate realode time is fast noot enough self damage to compensate for it being too strong
NERF IT PLEASE

[zealous harness]

The CL40 is broken. My issues atm is that it simply requires no skill to get good amounts of damage dealt. Maybe it needs a simple stat nerf, maybe it should have a big damage modifier for direct hits and reduced AoE damage or maybe something else. I think the designers should think about what purpose the CL40 should serve in the game, should it be a low risk, low reward kind of gun that will make new people get to grips with how the game works, or should it be something completely different. That's something I will leave up to embark. In it's current state it feels like the CL40 is a low risk (because of the AoE damage), high reward weapon. To me the gun really doesn't feel right at the moment. It is especially infuriating as a revolver main, a high risk high reward gun, to get melted by 3 CL40s in less time than I'm able to shoot my second bullet. You could argue I just need better positioning and a better approach, and you're right, but that doesn't subtract from the fact that this gun requires little skill to be very successful. I wouldn't mind needing to sweat like this if I was going up to 3 insanely high skilled players using a high risk high reward weapon, at least then I would have respect for the hours those players put into mastering that gun.

To close my rant off, I don't know what direction the CL40 should head in, but in it's current state it feels cheesy, a gun that can dominate the entire lobby without much required skill.

I have been playing this game since season 1, and this personally feels like the most broken gun I've ever come across. It's fine If your opinion on that matter differs from mine, but as many here have pointed out, the CL40 is not fair at the moment. Please do something about that

[jolly pawn]

Idk guys CL-40 might be broken but I'm having a ton of fun playing with it

[thorn kelp]

We went from wanting a CL-40 buff, to a CL-40 nerf in Season 3, to an actual buff in Season 4 to wanting a nerf 🤦🏽‍♂️

[tardy cloud]

I applaud you, my friend, for you have given good criticism nicely and respectfully compared to others here. I think anyone who reads this would have a respectable opinion about what you have said. We as a community thank you for not being a total asshole about it.

[quick coyote]

brother that ain't just a buff

[ebon cloak]

Please let us warmup in the range while queqing/loading

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @frail prawn @quick coyote @cyan crane @lunar vault Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[tardy oasis]

Bro no. Play on PC. If you have a disability use the adaptive controller. I feel for you homie

[upper citrus]

revert mesh shield. please rework the other heavy specials to be more team oriented instead

[solar hatch]

Can we get sniper irons? i just think that'd be really funny

[true harness]

The AKM isn't competitive anymore. The Pike came in as a super strong weapon, and instead of leaving the AKM alone to compete, you nerfed the magazine size, which lost me countless gunfights today. Again, an example where you could have had 2 guns be fun to play with, and now we're back to 1.

[halcyon depot]

Anyone who says you can't beat a CL-40 probably has ammunition or a blade in their head instead of a brain.
Try using one and you'll see for yourself.
The CL-40 is full of flaws, but in exchange for those, it has big bullets and a large blast radius.
You only get defeated if you try to get into a proper gunfight, but if you know the CL-40's flaws, it's actually weaker than a heavy MGL32.

[thick sorrel]

CL-40 damage buff, damage nerf, damage buff. Guys can you try something else to balance? Like firerrate, selfdamage?

@undone swallow Yes, they buffed it too
Fire rate changedː 250 RPM -> 275 RPM
Self-damage multiplier changed: 1 -> 0.75

[rose basin]

Revert shield, it's had the opposite of the intended effect, people aren't more team friendly with it, they're just using it as a panic button then getting Lasered since it runs out in a couple pike pot shots

[next meadow]

The game is getting increasingly unstable to play, constant heavy frame drops and random crashes. This is prolly the first season aside from closed beta where my game has been running really poorly and I really hope something is addressed soon.

[undone swallow]

they literally changed both self damage and fire rate in the last 2 times they worked on the weapon

[autumn sedge]

CL-40 is op, just played a 3x medium with my teammates with it and the enemies didn't even have a chance

[pearl elbow]

why do i keep getting put on teams of beginner players in world tour? 7 games today and not one with another 60+ lvl player

[tribal spoke]

Im going to say it, other medium non-melee weapons SHOULD NOT out DPS me when im within melee range of a medium with my dual blades

[burnt notch]

World tour has no sbmm, it’s a casual gamemode

[paper oak]

revolver has damage fall off, the deagle feels it does not , pls buff the revolver .

[tepid violet]

Nerf CL-40. Keep the dmg on direct hits and remove the splash damage. It’s broken and incredibly easy to use. U just have to sit over the cashout or behind a corner to absolutely dominate. Go into cover after every shot and you will doing so well. Even on close distance you can easily outmove the opponent while you don’t need any aim at all.

[nocturne ridge]

Lag is terrible, crashes before youre even in game, when you reconnect the game is half played-losing rs and getting nowhere.. sights all glitched out.. these crashes have been happening all of S3 and continue, this should be priority

[merry valve]

To me the cl-40 is like the drake sword of the finals, it's a noob trap, really good low elo, bad high elo or against people with good team coordination and positioning. If we want to make it not oppressive in low elo or casual lobbies while also being at least playable in diamond I think the range of the explosive should be nerfed, instead of the damage to increase the skill cieling, and not a crutch for bad aim.

[tropic root]

except, you have to think of the solo queues and the very casual players. just because you know how to deal with them, doesn't mean everybody does. except, these guys are probably just playing cash-out. hell yeah, remove the CL

[lavish shard]

Pike is powerfull ? Yep but need aim
Cl40 rpg flamethrower stunnoob no need any skill so nerf noob stuff first 🙏

[elder folio]

So those people should learn or stay low on rs. High tiers should be reserved for those who can think for themselves and come up with ideas of how to play the game themselves, not people who have to look up a guide on everything.

Actually yeah you onto something there, can't get rid of people who go to casual game modes to stomp people who play for fun. So get rid of the tools that let em do that

[young hamlet]

Day 2 of asking for better servers

[mortal notch]

day 155 of asking for a fun meta

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[scarlet tide]

or you played against very unskilled users urself

[proper barn]

nerf charge and slam
nerf model
nerf pike

[timid pagoda]

why not nerf SH1900 at first

[verbal breach]

based

[sacred echo]

100% this is lack of communication because i dont have my "team" to play with so most of the time i play with randoms and here is the issue
i like the finals for that chaotic gameplay that you have to compete in all that chaos but when 2-3 different targets jump around you and shoot explosives, like i said, this is too much, you can kill one of them but others will 100% kill you
its only possible to destroy such teams while being together with your team which happens rare with randoms
i dont wanna look selfish so lets say im a decent player okay, not the best but totally not the worst, but still this is ALMOST impossible to kill two or more cl40
more than that i agree with some people here that cl40 doesnt require much skill to play it, you just take highground and aim somewhere near the enemy and shoot OR just go closer to the enemy and jump around it while shooting

upd.
also i still dont understand why they buffed exactly damage, they could buff reload speed or ammo count which still would make it better but not that op

[sonic spoke]

Please detect cheaters and turn them into
@autumn sedge APS, goo, barrier, dome shield, mesh shield, jump pad, ........ Don't get me wrong, buff to the 203 was just silly. 4 shots of 1.1x RPG equivalent. It's not right, but there are a bunch of counters.

@tender minnow please post session info here so dev team can figure out what is causing the join problems in ranked. #1289248270027194389

[halcyon depot]

That's probably because the enemy hadn't used the CL-40 enough.
If you experience many situations where you can't do anything with the CL-40, you'll know how to deal with it.
I've been using the CL-40 since the open beta, and even after the official release I used it a lot, so it's rank 5, but the AKM is also rank 5. That's because I've encountered many enemies that the CL-40 couldn't do anything about.
Recently, I've been using not only the AKM but also FCAR and model, so it's rank 3, and the FAMAS will probably be rank 3 soon.

[quick coyote]

Nerf model
Nerf pike
Nerf cl40

Buff fcar recoil

[tender minnow]

we gotta fix the performance embark its so hard to bring new players when performance is so bad,

for some reason changing the view distance setting also affects player models so when its low or medium i literally cant see players over 80-90m they literally just disappear and pop out, thats a terrible implementation pls fix that (this started happening from a performance update in s3),

pike NEEDS to be nerfed, there is no reason for its hipfire to be THAT good and light is unplatyable because it kills you so fast, its firerate needs a nerf,

ranked is unplayable because i constantly get teammates that crash or cant connect, this is happening to a lot of people, its just a bad look embark cmon

revert sword, its really buggy from the new buff and it never needed a buff its always been strong

cl40 is way too dominant, its 0 skill with so much dmg, did you forget that you buffed its firerate when you nerfed its dmg embark?

and ofc nerf model, lets stop kidding here

[obsidian ginkgo]

nerf sword, dont let them combine rmb with dash, its absolutely broken, and you cannot counter that

[frank gull]

I don't know much about netcode , but just focusing on your experiences. "...1 out of every 10 that works properly..." I believe S4 synergy will be a little clunkier than S3, because the original S1 Meta Defense, Support, Offense, is unrecognizable. 3 v 3 flights are proned to be more chaotic due to inability to reset on a bad push. Once pressure is applied and flight or fight mode is entered. If no tools are in place to encourage teamwork, isolation will ensue. Gadgets are typically used selfishly to get a kill or save your life. specialization are more than just tools for the player every specialization down to *L should be used to keep the squad alive & defend the Cash out. That means staying alive, not just getting a S.W.
Mesh & Heal beam were the only Defense specialization making both this weak really has made S4 play like a completely different game. I.M.O

[sand holly]

when all people have at least 5000 more score than me and my squad, this is not an easy lobby
Also, when you have less than 10k, you just get with non-ranked people, counting it as an "easy" lobby, where eyou just lose a lot

[grave spear]

i think after 200 hours i have to quit, the lag is getting unbearable

[versed latch]

Grapples should make more noise

[bright nexus]

Can we remove rs loss from someone leaving before the game even starts? I’m sick of having to go duo with some bot teammate to lose because we we’re duo against some actual trios

[devout fox]

Nerf dual deagles a bit

[proper crescent]

Place it in front of you not under you

[thick thorn]

i do but sometimes i either cant or i mess it up and i die because of it. i wouldnt be upset about it if it made any sense for it to not be active immedietly when you place it, but i just dont get why its like that

[tame crag]

The pike should have a fire rate reduction, as well as maybe a small damage reduction.

At the moment, the pike does not have a “bad” range. It does great close up, medium range, and far range.

[trail nymph]

add more maps to powershift

[dusty fox]

Nerf everything, then stay playing the same four cats as always. 😵😵😵😵😵😵

[autumn sedge]

Ironically, I used goo and jump pads a lot more then it was used against us. I'm just saying from what I've seen by using it and it being used against me.

[signal basin]

No one is playing Light in ranked.
No one want a Light in his team in ranked.
Light got the lowest W/L ratio.

What do you want more Embark to do something usefull for balance your Light class ? It's like Octane on Apex. Fun to play but die as fast as he run. Light is the same shit

[austere rapids]

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[lavish shard]

Dont kill the pike please 🙏🙏 juste maybe remove the scope for the pike or nerf damage drop off

[rocky comet]

Nerf sword + dash. I am glitching them and they still dash

[stone drum]

idk why but i think he wants to nerf sword ???

[scarlet tide]

absolutely with you on this. Season 1 CL40 was in the perfect spot, people who used it had found a niche to master that was neither too weak or too strong, but then they nerfed it and people stopped using it. It feels like this over buff was about having people use it again rather than an actual balance attempt, but I don't see the reasoning behind it.

And about the people saying to adapt and play smart, get better positioning, etc, AS IF CL40 users don't know to take the high ground themselves, as if buildings do not start crumbling every 5 seconds, as if strong players would suddenly become less of a threat by using something that's not named AKM/FCAR.

Even Embark is monitoring it, stating "it might be overtuned"

[zinc wing]

We currently dont have any active vaults in our ranked match

[drifting storm]

Can we get back the old dematerialiser, so I dont erase the entire building when trying to make a small hole

[granite schooner]

Why is there no level 9 weapon skin added in S4? And also another things that's bugged me is why do the level 7/8 skins not have the same nice wrap as the level 6 skin does? It makes them all look garbage compared to the level 6 skin.

[red echo]

Maining the cl40 this patch is the greatest self punishment

[dusk heath]

yow, anyone here suffering from server disconnection? i got queued 5 times and it keeps prompting "server connection failed"/"kicked from the server"

[rotund rock]

guys matchmaking is broken on PC. I can only consistently get in without the TGE000000 error with crossplay off. For whatever reason, world tour would not get me into any lobbies this way, so I can only play quick play modes.

[tribal spoke]

Please buff the dual blades damage, its really sad how often I get killed at melee range with no melee weapons, not to mention 2 out of the 3 classes can just run away

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @frail prawn @wraith orchid @cyan crane @lunar vault @river plover @tawdry tree Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[river plover]

This pls :)

[tawdry tree]

Yes sir ! Pls sir !

[true hornet]

I want an embark response on why triple medium is allowed to exist in the game still and why there's no penalty for stacking turrets (reduced hp within 20m etc)

[modest root]

fix XP-54

[fair osprey]

Fortune Stadium has a few buildings where they lead to you a fricken dead end and it's so stupid. Like there's this one room specifically that's just a bunch of small rooms and orange doors that end with a STONE WALL, wasting like 15 seconds of your time
Please get rid of these dead ends— it's just poor map design.

[signal basin]

Embark. You have gold in your hand and your still giving high dmg explosive weapon in the hands of M and H while you prefer to nerf the only good weapons and L.
Force them to play with sword, dagger, kunai or shitgun with 150 HP just to get them ONE or TWO SHOTS by litteraly EVERY OTHER WEAPON CLASS.
JUST TRY FOR ONCE TO BUFF THEIR WEAPONS. JUST LET THE LIGHT A CHANCE TO WIN A 1V1 WITHOUT CLOATH OR STUN FFS.

Just look at the RANKED STAT. PLEASE. Their is, maybe, 1 or 2 light in the all squad. It's full of M and H for a reason and you don't want admit it. That's a shame. That why people don't want to play more on your game. Because it's unbalance. It can be fun to play light, but I want to play light and have a possibility to win ! It's gonna be a full year now and I never see a LIGHT META. And it's so unfair and sad

[pulsar mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283878096650502304/1290009656831250492/Discovery_twFejinrNX.mp4?ex=66fae69d&is=66f9951d&hm=9d017a0e0325c4b6b598b547e69a76c604ad324ffb1c4f9164b55a669ccd6e5a&

[sand holly]

you are crazy, that's why

[violet elbow]

the fact that A LONGRANGE DMR has a faster time to kill AT EVERY RANGE than Mediums CLOSE AND MIDRANGE RIFLES is insane.

and we arent even gonna mention how it has the same/A FASTER time to kill than the LH1 WHICH IS LITERALLY A LIGHT WEAPON.

Pike currently makes AKM, FCAR and Famas completely obsolete because its better in every single stat and wins against them at every range every time, and on top it outperforms a literal light weapon.

[quick coyote]

is having Community Tournaments are in consideration?
maybe introduce new currency for those events, new store?
that would be awesome.
its a lot to do all at once, but i guess it'd pay off over time.

[proper crescent]

Why don't you try out sword so you can tell us what needs nerfed there bud

[royal gust]

Nerf CL-40 Nerf sword Buff APS? Fix smtn atleast. Balance out Pike more.

[rich kraken]

Should make clothes categories or some sort of sub style system for cosmetics to reduce the amount of scrolling players have to do when looking at the cosmetics in their inventory; as in have all the same clothes type like tank tops be delegated to their own item, selecting said item would bring players to see all the tank tops they own or could own. Cause right now theres the Ospuze branded basic tank, the track & field top, Tank & arm warmers, bunny bash tank, skill issue tank, asymetical top, Engimo asymetical top, and the 3 no-brand basic tanks which are one of the main clothing types that would benifit the most from such a system.

[quick coyote]

heavy charge carries cashout box with him < idea

[tepid violet]

Throwing Knifes r good, M11 is good, XP is still good…it’s not about the weapons it’s just about the health

[tropic coral]

Here I am again to be sure y’all see this lovely Embark!!!

Q time is horrible, sitting in a lobby for 15 min isn’t fun.

PLS add crossplay with console lobbies only!!!

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[tender minnow]

revert sword, revert cl40

[frank spindle]

Please add HUD distance from screen borders slider in settings. Some players with 21:9 monitors would like to drag HUD closer to the center of the screen to make HUD 16:9.

[elder folio]

They've admitted multiple times that L is underpowered but still the most popular class in low ranks... They know...

[void blade]

Please increase the mid air control of charge n slam. Rather than being just a win button at close range id like to see some jump pad charge n slam trickshots, itd make for some really cool highlights.

[mortal notch]

id rather watch paint dry than play model/pike meta. please just nerf them to the ground.

[sleek flame]

Give the light a healing grenade for himself/teammates that restores half of health and cuts healing cool down in half. If not both then the former.

[mossy cape]

how has the pike still not been hotfixed

[dusk heath]

FIX THE QUEUE, NOW I GET IN, I FIGHT CHEATERS!!!!! I THOUGHT THE ANTI CHEAT WORKS, HOW IN THE FUCKIN HELL DOES A LEVEL 20 LIGHT HUNTS EVERY FUCKING SPAWN OF EVERY GODDAMN TEAM THAT EXIST IN THE GAME!!!! HE FUCKING AIM LIKE SOME GUY ON STEROIDS

[tawny oriole]

Remove one week ban, cheaters create new account and continue cheating. First ban immediatly hwid ban and flag monitor serial like apex do because most monitor can not be spoofed if you change monitor serial the monitor get black screen

[modest umbra]

Suggestions:

Add a "proper" Spectator mode.
New UI
/ Rework

• Who is the Spectator watching?
  -- Make the ui Leader board collapsible (with member names)
  -- If watching one player: Open x teams collapse and show an eye-con next to it (indicating spectator watches x player)
  -- If hovering over one team: eye-con next to closed collapse (one team = follow mode)
  -- two or more: no eye (observe mode)
• Animations
  -- add transition animations between players
  -- maybe even customisable
• Auto Camera
  -- Add spectator camera options: "Auto", "Follow", "Observe"
  -- Follow: add vectors / waypoints at every doorway, window, arch (maybe even at the calculated median of for example a broken floor.) maybe with some (allowed distance so that the movement doesn't always seem that perfect/ in the exact median of x) The Follow mode will (internally) draw the movement path and calculate where the nearest waypoints are... following the player x at a distance with some smooth motion (Bézier or smth) as well as the camera facing x player also with smooth motion (Bézier or smth). TLDR: Add Waypoints everywhere to avoid clipping camera follows player on that path, camera faces player, all smooth
  -- Observe: add some predefined paths (mostly on top of buildings (ceilings), open areas and alleys. Switch between paths. when changing start from start of x path and decelerate (transition motion: at from: accelerate at target: decelerate) follow the path. reaching the end either restarts the path or switches to another one near that one
  -- Auto: Combination of Follow, Move and default (default when some player is aiming on somebody in close range fights) Auto targets the stuff scottie and june are talking about. Example: look at x destoying the buildings. Just before they say that switch to that player (may need to add new voicelines)
• UI Transitions between modes and players
  -- Between players maybe a thefinals logo flyby transition
  -- follow and other: longer transitions

😉

[wraith orchid]

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

[jagged cedar]

Lh1 and v9 are the only two truly viable ones rn. I didn't even play xp in my entire history of this game, you're really quick to pull the cope card LOL

[next kraken]

please add an option to turn off crowd noise\

[delicate yoke]

Pew pew finger skin bundle for the akimbo, revolver, and v9s. Sfx will be your character going "pew pew".

[indigo pagoda]

are there plans to change lights to have more teamplay potential?

[wooden nexus]

i've just killed myself... with a bow!

[stone drum]

i think pike is the best weapon to come out this update

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[quick coyote]

My game crashes with every alt tab since the new update. I tried changing all my graphics settings, nothing to do

[graceful snow]

its the strongest, not the best. A good weapon is balanced :)

[rocky plover]

Allow us to change the colors for teams.

Not through colorblind options.

[broken flame]

cant u kinda already do that with the color blind settings?

oh

[wicked bolt]

Allow more varied crosshairs or atleast be able to change crosshairs for various weapon types. It would be good to have a wider shotgun crosshair

[high wing]

the respawn system is so shit

[hallow nimbus]

i love not being able to play ranked because of a server error... then gets my ass slapped with a 10 minute wait for leaving the queue

[sage sonnet]

did model actually get buffed at any point or did other stuff just get nerfed until model was best? in any case, much more medium weapon nerfs (CL40 aside) and we might see a mf R.357 meta

[mortal notch]

pike/model/deagle/dogwalking a heavy meta is the most boring shit ever id rather watch paint dry (reply:m11 v9s and lh1 are the only viable ones rn)

[merry valve]

Bro chill tf sword is not that bad, or problematic, look at the diamond players do you see sword users, you can't just die and instead of learning counterplay just yell at devs for nerf. Oh and for the people calling for no lunge and dash what is wrong with having combo's that benefit each other. Also the reason it works is because of how the dash works to get rid of it they would have to rework dash

[quick coyote]

second case

[modest root]

Fix XP-54

[carmine token]

The Pike and Akimbos are broken for a very simple and very intentional reason:
They are the only thing done this entire season to attract people to play Medium and Heavy.
Remember, according to their post, Lights have the lowest win rates, and they enacted an essay's worth of patches to address that. But Lights are still played by far the most of the three classes, and the devs did nothing whatsoever to address this - other than give the two classes some cool, broken weapons and advertise the shit out of them, the Deagles specifically.

They'll get nerfed into unfun soon enough. It might just take a few for Embark to figure out what exactly is keeping people from choosing Medium and Heavy.

@indigo pagoda Lights are, undoubtedly, the most "solo" class in the game, but they are perfectly capable of playing in a team, it's just harder and takes out of the box thinking compared to the fairly self-explanatory teamwork of Mediums and Heavies.
The most obvious one is to take advantage of a Heavy's Mesh (rip) and a Medium's beam, combined with some evasive efforts, to counteract a Light's pitiful HP pool. Works damn great if you can just synergize.
We played with a Sniper once that worked great recon and did support-sniping for us from high-up, while pinging enemies for us to Melee while guarding a cashbox. Hard to even explain how he worked but it was an impressively helpful playstyle.
A fairly simple one to pull off is to send your Light out to sneak in through a window behind an opposing team while the other two distract the team. They might notice the Light's missing but they still have to defend no matter what, which usually gives the Light an opportunity to just shred at least one person in the back.

I mean there's a billion of 'em, just a few come to mind right now. I wouldn't be opposed to more team-oriented gadgets on Light (though Gateways are already super useful), but Lights are totally capable of teamplay, and sometimes indispensable.

[vestal coral]

nerf to stupid model 1887 too OP too much pointless damage.

[quick coyote]

game keeps on crashing

[sonic spoke]

Don't give lights stun gun and insta melt weapons and they will play other classes....

[stuck fox]

imo people want the movement speed of light and that’s why it’s popular. i feel like they should close in the movement bands a bit

[upper citrus]

Lights issue has nothing to do with teamplay. Light already has an insane amount of team utility.

The reason why light is bad is because almost all of lights survivability is dependent on the enemy making mistakes repeatedly while also taking very little effort on the users end. Which is why light frustrates casual players so much and eats shit in higher elo

[vale acorn]

Hear me out. Anti gravity barrels

[rough storm]

okaaaaaaaaay,

-Nerf Pike hard,
-Nerf Akimbo's a tiny tiny tiny bit,
-Revert that sword AND CL-40 buff,
-Remove that rediculous Mesh Shield cooldown,
-and finaly, nerf that goddamn Model into oblivion as everyone has been begging for since a few weeks ago.

When yall are done with that, fix your spawns. I should not spawn 150m away from my 2 alive teammates that are defending the cashout from a third/fourth party AS A HEAVY.
Or the team you just killed spawns closer to the cashout than you have time crossing the field to reach said cashout.
I don't need decreased spawn timers i just don't want to cross half the map to get to my team/cashout

(also; XP and AK nerf were not necessary, but that's just my opinion)

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @frail prawn @wraith orchid @cyan crane @lunar vault @river plover @tawdry tree Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[tribal spoke]

Fun Fact: The developers have stealth nerfed the dual blades and the nerf should be reverted immediately. You used to be able to deflect heavy charge and sword block with the dual blades, that is no longer possible, please revert this nerf, fix the dual blades reflect and buff its reach/damage

[carmine token]

"What's wrong? I thought you guys wanted us to fix the Dual Blade deflect!" - Embark, probably.

[hollow ferry]

Add wall bang to thin walls embark

[lilac pelican]

Sword Dash / Melee needs nurfed.

[cerulean skiff]

Make The Finals Great again

Revert shield nerf

[tired fable]

thx you embark to match me with mates I just blocked the last game, really enjoyable experience

[warped linden]

pike nerf when makes bad players look good

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 35)

[clear dome]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND EVERYTHING HOLY LEFT IN THIS WORLD PLEASE REMOVE KYOTO

[violet matrix]

They create an event to revive "digital money" and create new game modes, the game has become very repetitive and boring, it had become my favorite shooter, it's a shame they have abandoned it

[young smelt]

If you crash, you lose your gun for the entire round when you reconnect to the game, your hands will be literally holding nothing, you cant shoot, theres no way to fix it @burnt notch it has happened to me twice in a row (the only times ive crashed)

[burnt notch]

This is not a fact

[lyric junco]

i ended up figuring it out i started just being a healer in tournaments and im earning 250 per round

[timber falcon]

I just wish they would rework the r.357 with the puke it's almost completely useless especially that it only has 6 rounds i think a better hip fire and 3 shot kill to mediums instead of the 3 and a melee attack or 4 shots to completely kill a medium I think with a hip fire buff and a small damage increase just enough to 3 tap a medium would do the r.357 a spot instead of being overshadowed by the pike

[wooden timber]

Last match stats

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[frank gull]

I think when balancing it's important to hit the mark. For the sake of argument let's say model is "OP" balancing something shouldn't mean breaking it out of meta. It would only do 120 if player got a headshot. Actually having to *Aim requires more skill/time than hip-fire weapons like grenade launcher, Melee, F.T., & akimbo all those high damage weapons can just be endlessly spammed & are arguably more user- friendly. For the most part weapons are doing great in 1 v 1 however in the finals 3 v 3 gameplay is customary, & rarely are you just worried about the 1 v 1 if for Honor thought me anything is gamer's have NONE, someone will always be right around the corner ready to gank a free kill. *L was the number 1 pick last season.
They aren't exactly known for being slow & calculated.

Forcing model users to aim in order to hit desired high TTK as before will take away A LOT of mobility on plays. The nerf would be averaging 100 DMG a shot when using model, & you wouldn't be able to 2 shot *M anymore without a Combo & only good aim will result in fast kill creating a skill & reward system all High damage weapons should have.
*L - can easily play mobility when using a shotgun thanks to specialization
*H - can bait with lack of mobility thanks to specialization
*M - should stay at range as well. No specialization encourges close combat.

All *M weapon shine at range compared to it's counter parts down to dual blades, the only exception being riot shield but a case can be made for even that weapon as it blocks damage at range better than the other melee weapons.
Automatics could use a small buff in mobility (Hipfire), shotguns should help *L & *H mobility, but *M shotgun should be the only one played at range, & giving *M headshots is fitting since it doesn't have Mobility, or Defense trade-offs specialization, but is the class expected to have the best accuracy.

A rework like this would take away mobility & reliability while still allowing the weapon to compete with meta.

Heavy ammo reserve is the only reason I would hesitate to give the class a headshot multiplier.

[narrow hearth]

buff for cl40 fire rate or adjust light fire rate bc this is just boring now

[vale bluff]

pls remove first win in daily mission, my skill so bad I can't win a match every single day. I feel very frustrated when I try to completing the daily mission!!!

[void blade]

THE PIKE IS LITERALLY WHAT THEY DID WITH THE LH1 AT THE START OF SEASON 3. FINALS DO YOU NOT LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES?

[tawdry bramble]

game feedback: the music in season 4 is on point and has the same vibe that season 1 had.

[timber stag]

YES I WOULD LOVE ANTI GRAV BARRELS

[keen heath]

I’m not gona say Nerfs or Buffs yet but I just hope to see some cosmetics/events planned for Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas since season 4 is in place of all of those

[odd ibex]

U can get anti grav barrel if u reshape 2 battery barrels

💥Auto cross for heavy and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

[worn tapir]

again, the meta for medium becomes one singular weapon instead of multiple viable weapons. no clue why they would do that

[torpid sky]

revert mesh nerf
nerf model dmg
nerf cl dmg
nerf pike (it's literally way more strong than lh1 at the start of s3 when everybody complained about how strong it is)

[vale acorn]

That would be fun if you could hold two barrels together and it fuses into a stronger version or a varied mix of the two elements

[quick coyote]

Not getting xp on my equipment. I play a round, everything levels up then it resets at the next game

[delicate marlin]

I wish the custom sight on the LH1 was a dot instead of a V

[upper citrus]

revert mesh nerf
nerf model dmg
nerf cl self dmg
nerf pike (it's literally way more strong than lh1 at the start of s3 when everybody complained about how strong it is)

[lilac pelican]

nerf pike (it's literally way more strong than lh1 at the start of s3 when everybody complained about how strong it is)

[tribal spoke]

If only it wasnt so true 😭

[worldly thunder]

What about a 5v5 Cashout mode with two boxes, with a player in each team worth more. Yay or nay?

[deft vector]

Medium grande launcher needs to be nerfed

[sage sonnet]

Change the ruby skin to the 93R just to fuck with everyone

[wraith orchid]

revert sniper change at least for every mode than powershift. if you want to you can ban the sniper from powershift i dont mind

[proper crescent]

The ruby skin should be for the tracking dart actually

[molten trail]

add the mickey mouse club house as a playable map next season

[rough storm]

okaaaaaaaaay,

-Nerf Pike hard,
-Nerf Akimbo's a tiny tiny tiny bit,
-Revert that sword AND CL-40 buff,
-Remove that rediculous Mesh Shield cooldown,
-and finaly, nerf that goddamn Model into oblivion as everyone has been begging for since a few weeks ago.

When yall are done with that, fix your spawns. I should not spawn 150m away from my 2 alive teammates that are defending the cashout from a third/fourth party AS A HEAVY.
Or the team you just killed spawns closer to the cashout than you have time crossing the field to reach said cashout.
I don't need decreased spawn timers i just don't want to cross half the map to get to my team/cashout

(also; XP and AK nerf were not necessary, but that's just my opinion)

[quick coyote]

Hedge hunter headpiece and top needs to be separate

Nobody would care about the clipping issues

Also nerf pike and model

[versed latch]

People need to make more noise. You can hear loud stomping when you're in a building but other than that people can get right behind you with no noise or grapple right on you

[clear hemlock]

W take. After the bad weapons and gadgets get buffed, maybe remove winch and nerf charge game is balanced

[stuck fox]

i wouldn’t nerf pike — maybe consider buffing up some of the other weapons to be as efficient so there’s more diversity instead

[versed cloud]

Why are all the cheaters back now I thought it was dead game

[torpid sky]

the double standard here is unreal, at the start of s3 all classes complained about how lh1 is so op and need a nerf but now they say that pike the better lh1 literally and on a better class is balanced

nerf CL dmg this is more brain dead than model

and nerf model dmg too lol you think iam gonna forget this piece of shit of a crutch that made us suffer for a full season?

lastly revert mesh nerf, you're forcing a brust dmg meta (cns/winch}

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[proper barn]

All melee's in this game need to just be converted into skins for quick melee or something. They are so unfun to play against it actively makes the game unenjoyable. There is not a single gun in this game that fires BULLETS that requires you to change your playstyle simply because a team decided to equip it. Sledgehammer is the only one that is remotely fair.

[noble path]

revert goo gun nerf please, the stuck time is so low that it's impossible to combo with sledgehammer

[sand holly]

you may not have understood the concept, it's supposed to just be gold like, because it's page 13, it's just more rewards

[frank gull]

I was thinking Embark should segregate through input over platform... What do you think? Would P.C. still have an unfair advantage if using a controller?

[brittle obsidian]

revert mesh changes

[delicate yoke]

The final two pages are always reskins of other battle pass items

[tough merlin]

I love how they fixed the spawning system (Sarcasm) You still spawn 150-170m away when there's 30s left.

@past idol Console vs pc isn't fair in any game and shouldn't try to be balanced together because it never works. Having the option to play crossplay on/off is good enough imo.

[uneven dagger]

The finals discord whenever the game gets an uptick in player count:

[quick coyote]

Genuinely who decided to make the cl 40 this strong

[upper citrus]

fortunte stadium desperately needs more cashout spots. it feels like 99% of them are in the same 10 spots

[still spruce]

powershift UNPLAYABLE as a light. 2+ cl-40s on each team every game. stupidest buff in the world

[shadow nebula]

Don’t know if anyone else is experiencing this but I randomly get all fps issues when near an objective on certain maps

[prime edge]

I'm not sure if this is a feedback or not, but I would absolutely love to hear the crowd start to cheer and chant your teams name! I think it would be very fun and fitting for a game show to have crowds of people cheering on there favorite teams.

Maybe even have it that your the last one left and hearing them cheer for the underdog. Hearing them cheer on success and maybe painful 'Ooo's when you fail.

[untold escarp]

I think that a wardrobe, where we can save our favorite outfits, or even copying a complete profile created for a class, so as not to start from scratch when we want to make a variation, would be really beneficial for the game

[raw rivet]

Ive played 5 ranked games for a mission and everyone one of my game someone left on my team. There needs to be more punishment for players leaving game.

[graceful snow]

failed in 5 differents games to cross the gap from the outside cashout on fortune stadium. Its pretty much impossible against a defending team playing pike, they just snipe you out of the air

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @frail prawn @wraith orchid @cyan crane @lunar vault @river plover @tawdry tree Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[manic pebble]

keep getting kicked out of tournament between games and it will not let me reconnect. i just get error code TFGE0000. this happens probably around once every 4 times i try to join matches now, in every mode. is there a way i can fix this?

[quartz cedar]

Bring back the old right click tap with dagger, but also let us have the option to hold it.

[burnt notch]

IMO ak nerf was fine, xp nerf was a bit overkill tho, def needs a rebuff

Everything else I agree with

[deep summit]

nerf Charge N Slam
nerf CL-40
nerf model 1877
nerf pike
<3

[rough storm]

ya +1 on that last bit

[fleet swallow]

nerf fucikng pike please, i can't take this shit anymore, it's always triple medium team, double pike with one model or double model with one pike, like it's literally the most broken and toxic fucking team comp to ever exist. Unironically worse than LH1 meta

[tired fable]

Hello Embark MGL32 faster reload is cool thx you
check here my suggestions :

Heavy : -1 or -2sec HP recovery
Light : 175hp, +1sec HP recovery

CL40 : 105dmg/ammo
Dagger : make chargestab like throwing knife
DualSword : deflect need more accuracy and better radius

[low gate]

ERROR MESSAGE STILL PLEASE FIX THE SERVERS I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME SO PLEASE LET ME

[wicked topaz]

+1 REVERT cl40 buff ,as much as i love it dropping 30 kill games with no skill just isnt fair , + it promotes third partying because why fight another team when i can sit on a crane spamming someone elses fight :D

[sleek dawn]

yes its so braindead. Peek 1s as a heavy? oop -70% HP

[true hornet]

Still losing 800+ rank when people on your team dc or leave in 2024 and the team unironically says things like “in the future we will look at being an esport” is kinda crazy just saying man

[void blade]

WHY would using charge n slam EVER force me to switch BACK TO MY PRIMARY WEAPON WHEN I EXIT IT? WHAT IS THIS FOR?

[hybrid narwhal]

you should be able to test out scopes in practice range before having to buy them

[rose vigil]

the last s3 update absolutely destroyed my frames

[arctic hare]

Replace that godawful Terminal Attack our corporate overlords forced on us to “try and boost player numbers by appealing to Valorant and CS2 players,” and put in TDM and/or Domination.
Valorant and CS players aren’t coming over to play a jankier, less balanced version of their game.
You should 10000% be targeting CoD and Battlefield players and no TDM is a dealbreaker for them.

They’re spending $70 a year on map packs and bitching about it — go after their players. Promote the cosmetics and sick battle pass. Give them a casual way to jump in.

[tired oasis]

lol why nerfing charge and slam... learn to avoid it

[viscid raft]

make it so you can't spawn on a cashout with 2 teams in the area
its so fucking stupid

[wicked night]

Nuke the fucking pike bro that gun is so unserious

[gleaming patio]

Skil issue unfortunately 😦

[burnt sedge]

Are you dying to the pike I’ve never died to or gotten a kill with that slightly shitter lh1

[unkempt oar]

Ranked fucked for anyone else?

[deep summit]

top 262 in S3 😝

[cerulean skiff]

Would you convert to slug?
Hitting all 8 pellets to the head can be tricky at range

[tidal compass]

I was in a team fight were I went down and the team respawn counter started so the enemy rushed thinking were dead and got bodied instead (I got revived) has this happen to anyone else?

[graceful sequoia]

CL40 is ruining the entire game, is unplayable as a light

[proper barn]

what possessed the development team to buff the CL40? Do you guys need playtesters? I volunteer free of charge to do QA please dm me on discord or twitter

[echo radish]

JUST REVERT CL-40 TO SEASON 3 START PATCH(3.0.0) AND REMOVE EXPLOSIVE LINEAR PATCH FOR CL-40. IT JUST DON'T FIT IN CL-40. IT JUST MAKE CL-40 CHEAPER VERSION OF SHOTGUN WITH NO SKILL. MAKE IT STEP-LIKE DAMAGE WE GOT BEFORE. S3 STARTUP PATCH WAS GREAT. IT DEMANDS YOU SKILL FOR TWO TAP LIGHT, BUT ALSO DEALS SOME DECENT DAMAGE TO HEAVY AND MEDIUM BUT STILL NOBODY USED. JUST REVERT THE LINEAR EXPLOSIVE REWORK AND MAKE CL-40 SEASON S 3.0.0 PATCH

[frank gull]

Mesh & Heal beam were without a doubt the best specialization for each class... that not only elevated player potential, but squad potential.
Cash Out without a strong support & defense presence screams T.A. What made The Finals unique was just how important it was to fight like you're in a F.F. , or Diablo game. Every tool you use from specialization to Gadgets they're supposed to help with 1, typically 2 Squad Wipes on a cash out. For 2 Minutes you're stuck in a random "ring" expected to fight for your life. Focusing just on 1 kill will always limit potential. It be like playing on a team that everyone wants to be the guy to score. If nobody gives teammates support, or plays defense, the entire team will suffer.
specialization elevated gun play to feel like you were fighting with *Combos. The new meta feels so individually focused, rather than team focused.

Embark had lighting in a bottle. I genuinely believe so many *L complained about dying on a pointless solo push Embark had to help the victims out from experiencing any further trauma instead of just expecting them to learn the limitations of each class. *L & High Elo being treated like a nepo baby is bad for overall balance & ruins overall gameplay

specialization are also the identity of every class... I don't believe any other specialization has received as many nerfs. However I believe all the Nerfs to Mesh, Dome, Heal B., & Defib were unnecessary. All only elevated gameplay and potential on the objective while punishing overly aggressive sloppy combat, & All could be countered by *L glitch grenade. An argument can be made for defibs, however, simply buffing glitch grenades to blow up on impact would have changed that. I.M.O & prevented all these nerfs...

S4 support & overall utility I.M.O is a testament to how important & vital it was in S1

[red ingot]

wizard spellbook skins for stun gun and grenades

[untold cedar]

only indoor fight, especially on the new map -> CL-40 and heavy too strong

[urban shuttle]

First of all I do not believe you were helpful or impactful for your team.
I think you are exaggerating or straight up lying.

Sniper just isn’t like that.

Also you said it yourself, you were the topfragger which is completely meaningless in this game. You were focusing on kills.

Even if you actually were helpful or useful I hope you understand how rare that is. Out of 50 light snipers MAYBE one will actually be helpful and play objective.

Everybody complains about it because it’s true and that makes it an issue for enjoyment in this game.

[quick coyote]

Add a forfeit button to World Tour.

Nobody wants to pay the price of your GARBAGE ATROCIOUS AND LAUGHABLE matchmaking and also be humilliated by players who are way better than you.

and also fix the numerous performance issues on new-gen consoles. Absurd.

[teal vector]

wahhhhh wahhhhh CL40 too strong 🍼 👶

[last mirage]

• keep distance from people who have charge n slam. plus you can run circles around the charge n slam to make them waste their charge. just because people are running it more because of the nerfs to the mesh shield specialization doesn't mean it's op.
• CL-40 isn't op against medium or heavy, however, it needs damage falloff, and light needs a way to mitigate the damage done from it. give light a double jump like in tf2 instead of 3 dashes to mitigate splash damage consistently.
• play distance for players using the shotgun. if they hide in buildings at the cash out destroy that building and take potshots at them. grapplers in fighting games are deadly when they are up close to you. (the new light shotgun does nearly the same damage numbers as the model 1877, except that weapon is now on a light player that can very easily close the distance for its effective range. if anything the new light shotgun should be nerfed in its clip size.)
• I agree, the pike needs to have a defining role in what it does. if it's meant to play long-range to counter snipers then it should have reduced damage up close. if it's meant to be a battle rifle for a medium range like an AK, then it should reflect that.

[verbal kayak]

Mostly really good changes for S4 but please consider bringing the CL40 down a peg. The primary issue is the fire rate buff. It feels way too oppressive now.

[past idol]

Console only matches (ps5 and Xbox). Why force a huge group of players into unfair matches.

[icy vine]

Buff the dagger stance its way too slow to charge

[opal ocean]

Please can we make it so you don't lose ranking points when a team mate disconnects?

[silent fog]

Revert whatever your "performance updates and improvements" were in the last patch of S3. They were not improvements, it just made it worse.

[sage sonnet]

What would yall think?

Vault Control
6 v 6, 3 cashout stations,
1 vault spawns every 30 seconds, no matter what. Vaults start at $2,500 and increase by $250 for every vault. Rounds are 15 minutes, meaning the last vault, spawned right at the 15 minute mark (only useful if overtime starts) is worth $10,000 for a grand total of $193,750 dollars of vaults across 30 vaults. There is no bonus for opening a vault
Of the 3 cashout stations, each team has 1 permanent, color coded cashout station that they "own" (somewhat near their spawn) Only the owner team can cashout at the team-specific cashout station, but vaults will get no deposit bonus and take 50% longer to cash in.
The opposing team is not able to steal this cashout, but they are able to steal the vault inside. When successfully stolen, all the money in that team-specific cashout pops out as a vault and can be taken by the other team to their home base or to the third, central cashout.
The third cashout works like a standard cashout station, where vaults deposited inside earn a deposit bonus and take the regular amount of time to cash in. This cashout can be stolen by either team at any time. The timer on this cashout progresses normally and when done, cash is awarded and a new cashout will spawn somewhere else.

Vaults open very quickly, and can be combined with other vaults (maybe up to a limited value).
A team wins by having the most money by the end of the timer. Only cash put into the central cashout can cause overtime, and only one cashout worth of overtime can happen. team specific cashouts cannot cause overtime.
Respawn tokens? Respawn and teamwipe timer? Kill value? Can vaults be combined outside of cashouts? Should it be more sweaty (TA) or casual (Power Shift)? Does a round end early if a team reaches $xxx,xxx? Teamwipe penalty?

[violet elbow]

fortune stadium destruction physics make the map genuinely unplayable in casual

[shadow nebula]

So pike defiantly needs adjustment. And cl-40 needs an adjustment. It’s taken the role of the sniper rifle in power shift.

[gleaming marsh]

matchmaking needs a fix. i dont understand why my teammates is 2 ranks under me and i have to bare the burden of being the carry of the team, and then we just get stomped

[tall cradle]

CL-40 needs to have more self-damage, people just keep jumping and spamming it.

[paper oak]

pike is balanced, finally a decent weapon for meds.

[stoic zinc]

1. CL40 is the worst weapon possible after sword, fix it
2. When you will fix performance bug
3. When you will bring fcar recoil from closed s4 test
4. New destruction system is very very bad, buildings are made from paper basically

[shadow stirrup]

Fix your shit matchmaking so i dont get put on a team of only two and then punished for leaving. The incompetance is fucking tangible. This is a no-brainer fix and it boggles my mind that no one on the dev team thought of this (or they actively chose to punish players for the developer's own failures). Unbelievably shit decisions

[cold lotus]

i thought new seasons are meant to make the game better not worse

[torpid sky]

"light meta"
"pike isn't strong"
"cl is balanced"

[uneven dagger]

Ah, balanced, as all things should be

[minor notch]

im assuming there were at least 3 glitch traps too

[brittle obsidian]

and you had to kill them all at least twice per fight

[shrewd oriole]

I wanna point this out and I am enjoying this season but I do want to point some things out.
The pike isn't broken but REALLY obnoxious. Can't go a game without running into at least 1, and it doesn't help that this thing's fire rate is pretty DAMN good. Making it the most annoying weapon to face off against. The firerate on this thing should be lowered.
The new Desert Eagles are cool. I think the body shot damage is mid and that is it. I will willingly sacrifice firerate or headshot damage just for better bodyshot damage.
CL40 is just, disgusting, I think you went overkill with the damage buff. At least compensate it with increased self damage.
The mesh shield changes are horrible. I don't mind the reduced health but the cooldown before reopening it? god that's just garbage. Made it mid and heavy is indeed the most overnerfed class in the game.
And please just give the MGL better velocity and less bounce for the love of god, this thing would be better if you could kill people before they actually run up to you leaving you in a bad situation. I beg of you for this simple MGL buff.

[grizzled crescent]

NERF CL 40

[undone cedar]

Yall should make an ai girlfriend with the voice of the women (i forgot her name) i fall in love with her voice

[surreal meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-fade-smile-fade-to-dumb-happy-to-straight-face-smile-fade-to-shock-smile-fade-to-curious-gif-4098180333973202457

[zealous pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[wraith oak]

My I make a request that in ranked, if a teammate leaves, the remaining players on that team don't demote or go down. Similarly of a teammate disconnects and doent join before the round, the remaining players again also don't demote or go down. I was just playing a ranked game and a teammate didn't join leaving me and my teammate to consistently get wiped my teams of 3.

[last mirage]

Defib needs a rework, badly. medium teams tend to dive bomb towards their teammates' trophies to continuously revive the chain at times. the previous Nerf was effective for players who had mines, sledgehammers, and defenses against the reviving player.
now with sledgehammer players not having enough range to close the deal in fights for them to be viable in competitive, and player-made defenses slowly being nerfed to the ground, it tends to be a benefit for players that revive their teammate in an active warzone (it's like the gunslinger for the engineer in tf2.)
to fix that problem. just make the people getting defibed take damage when they are spawning in. It would encourage players to think wisely about how to revive their teammates. also healing beam wasn't broken when used by only one teammate, it was broken when there was 2-3 mediums using that specialization to begin with. they just needed to nerf the aspect of two healing beams being able to stack on a player and reduce the amount of health distributed when chaining.

[zealous harness]

I think a big issue that plagues many users is the performance. While I personally have the luxury of playing on the playable framerate of 100-150, many do not. I have a laptop with a rtx 4080, an i9 13900HX and 32GBs of DDR5 5600MHz RAM. That's very high spec atm, even if you factor in that it's desktop counterpart packs a lot more punch. The point of this message is not to try to act cool with my bad money spending habits, I'd like to remind the devs that performance is a real issue for a lot of players. Not many people play on very expensive gear and I wholeheartedly believe that performance is one of the big reasons many people have left over the seasons. I want this game to succeed as much as the devs do, but I urge them to make performance improvements a bigger priority. It's not fun when you feel like you are holding your team back because your rig is not powerful enough. Some people will see this and think everyone who complains about performance just needs to git gud, and gitting gud is vital, but those players are likely in a similar boat as me: playing on a rig that can push a nice amount of frames every second. I understand where that thought is coming from, but you should try to play on a rig that has can push a max of 60 frames with dips in fps every time there is a lot of destruction (capping the fps at 50 is not entirely the same as playing on a rig that averages 50, but that might also make you understand what some people have to go through). Most likely you're not gonna have a lot of fun.

[solid robin]

I would honestly love to see this game reward eliminations. Most of the time you don't have time or the movement to get away from situations where you need to run and hide.

I feel like this game needs siphon and maybe a gadget cool down reduction per each Elim.

[brittle oasis]

CL40.....jesus nerf it pls

[woeful lagoon]

will there ever be model 1887 animations?

[stark pilot]

The worst thinking about balance is " The weapon is easy to use need to be more more weak than high skill weapon. "
CL40 is easy to use but it' s definitely NOT a "OP" weapon in this game.
Learn how to against CL40 and learn how to counter every different weapon it is all noob need to do because CL40 is definitely a noob killer.
You can stand high to easy against it, you can quick put APS and fight with them with no risk, you can just jump to he's face and make DPS check.
Use you dash dodge, use shield block, have range weapon make more distance to shoot them, keep move and shoot to take less explosive damage.
This weapon has high TTK and need to predict, can't fight the people stand high and can't shoot someone jumping into sky easily.
That have a lot of disadvantage to counter, if you don't just peek them and against continuously in the same way, it would not a big problem in this game, I'm sure.
The most easily vertical combat can easily make CL40 weaker them most of weapon.
If a weapon only can do one easy thing. that one need to be powerful. That is great balance need to do.
PLEASE, Embark don't just trust those noob saying and ruin this game again and again.
I'm tired to only play AR or shotgun or LMG in high rank, there are so many different and featural weapon, but only 10 weapon playable in this game.
FMAS is strong a lot of time and nobody mention, that is weird. Maybe that say it's skill issue, but aim skill can be practice but weapon damage don't.
Skill let you can do more thing and win more games, but it's shouldn't dominate the weapon strong or not.
I'm a sword play since S1, but choose meta weapon still more and more easier to win or kill or do something in every game.
A lot of noob don't want learn anything and just complain and complain in this channel.
Someone don't want any balance in this game, that just kill some weapon they don't want combating.
Those noobs probably would complain WHY flamethrower can easily kill them with no skill.
TERRIBLE

[torpid helm]

Honestly they need to nerf the cl 40 so bad I just got destroyed by a full team of them

[runic knot]

u mad bro?

[whole coral]

Agree, This game is demanding, A lot of players left because how the game runs, hell many of my friends dont play because they dont get good fps, and even when they do its not consistent

[granite fulcrum]

U mad bro?

[still cedar]

U mad bro?

[upbeat tree]

I think the issue arises when you are unable to change loadout during match, so if ur running a shotgun for example. Standing above a cl40 tends to be an issue. So a lot of the time if ur not running a gun able to counter certain things, it’s kind of just gg

[lavish quartz]

Everytime I load up finals my person is Invisible and it will not let me load into any match. Weird bug. Any methods to fixing it?

[tall cradle]

Loving the Dematerializer change, much less finicky to use. Fortune stadium buildings are too fragile and crumble way too much

[abstract ermine]

I’ve been playing since open beta and I love the game but I’ve always had issues with matchmaking I don’t play ranked much at all but quick play feels so sweaty I don’t even want to try ranked sometimes I want to chill and have a good time but the game feels so punishing it’s hard to enjoy the game even with the cool tanuki skin in the game and cool new weapons

[glacial sierra]

kwik maffs

[keen heath]

Not sure how well this would work but what if we had a Capture the flag mode could be a fun one to tickle the halo fans since we had Terminal attack for the CSGo fans

[onyx tiger]

is glitch mine supposed to make you drop items youre holding?

[echo radish]

JUST REVERT CL-40 TO SEASON 3 START PATCH(3.0.0) AND REMOVE EXPLOSIVE LINEAR PATCH FOR CL-40. IT JUST DON'T FIT IN CL-40. IT JUST MAKE CL-40 CHEAPER VERSION OF SHOTGUN WITH NO SKILL. MAKE IT STEP-LIKE DAMAGE WE GOT BEFORE. S3 STARTUP PATCH WAS GREAT. IT DEMANDS YOU SKILL FOR TWO TAP LIGHT, BUT ALSO DEALS SOME DECENT DAMAGE TO HEAVY AND MEDIUM BUT STILL NOBODY USED. JUST REVERT THE LINEAR EXPLOSIVE REWORK AND MAKE CL-40 SEASON S 3.0.0 PATCH

[tidal compass]

Alota lights upset cause there class isn't meta for once

[torpid sky]

Cl is just a more brainless model nerf them both to the ground

same to pike

medium shouldn't be able to deal that much dmg if a player wants that much of dmg they can go play light

[late raft]

Please god make it so the noobs can’t queue into a RANKED match. Just played my first ranked placement match with a light teammate who went 0 0 0 and 8 🤦‍♂️ ending the match I see they have a total of 17 eliminations on their account… I don’t see why in any way shape or form anyone with under at least 200 eliminations should even be entering ranked when all it does is fuck up the placement of more competitive players like myself

[ivory isle]

hockey stuff would be so elite

[mellow geyser]

The game is the least fun yet. Incredibly you are heading in the wrong direction, Embark.

[rapid merlin]

I want these changes more than any other at the moment

[solid robin]

Thank you someone agrees with me

[stark pilot]

NONONO
Change loadout will completely KILL the rank.
For example, If I play riot shield in finals round, their heavy can fight lose when we first meet and choose slam and flamethrower to easily counter me and win the most important fight and get cash.
In your example, If you predict in your match will meet a lot of CL40 and you want to play shotgun, maybe M1887, you can take APS quick put it and have no risk fight or take jumppad or zipline jump to sky and make it difficult to hit or take dematerializer to make surprise, or you can just choose to fight with his teammate.

a lot of great weapon it's playstyle can make disadvantage more less but, a lot of weapons like melee or CL40 or MGL54 or flamethrower they can't. they only have 1 or 2 advantage but a lot of disadvantage can't be deal with.

[upper citrus]

why did you push the guy with the sledge? this was your fault

[jagged cedar]

I think you pushed the thing that only kills you when you push it

[minor notch]

this could be very easily avoidable if you didnt get in melee range of a melee weapon

[echo urchin]

Super big ask, but, I think it’d be cool if we could customize / personalize the practice range. It would feel like having our own personal batcave or fortress of solitude.

If you could change up the practice range, what would you do?

[tribal spoke]

Absolutely outplayed, you had a free kill but squandered it

[tropic coral]

Bold statement, I’m having a blast

[wind zodiac]

I agree with you. The mesh shield nerf was too harsh. They either need to revert the change or reduce the cooldown to 4 seconds damaged and undamaged.

[near parcel]

me when i push the melee weapon up close and got hit by the melee weapon (how could this happen?! it shouldnt be possible!!)

[chrome parcel]

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2447233392263339360/5181130DCCA496AE3646FF212A4B4C12E0357C00/

its okay??

[vale jolt]

me walking RIGHT into a sledgehammer (but its not my fault because its op right guys)

[livid knot]

bro pushed a sledge heavy

[molten trail]

"lets just keep buffing non skilled weapons and keep instant damage specialistics in the game!" 🤡

[quick coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[brittle obsidian]

since embark walked back their statement on crosshair overlays, it would be nice to have it as an option in-game: to keep our crosshairs while ADSing

[tender gorge]

So why did we nerf the dagger

[daring fossil]

the revolver literally gets out-gunned by everything, the only people you can win fights against are lights assuming the RNG spread doesn't fuck you over, please fix it, it's been useless since season 1.

[echo radish]

CL-40 at start of the S3(Pink one) is best imo. It demands skill to actually 2 tap light and it doesn't act like close range no aim shotgun at this moment. also doing a decent damage to heavy and medium when you aim well. Without reverting Linear explosive patch and only changing damage, this gun will be just no aim no skill shotgun OR pile of garbage, not solving any actual problem. JUST REVERT LINEAR EXPLOSIVE PATCH OR AT LEAST MAKE IT LIKE S3 STARTUP NEAR IMPACT AND LINEAR EXPLOSIVE AT THE END.

[blissful sail]

bro wants the change so bad he brought out the desmos graph 😭😭😭😭

[deft light]

As per the dev note for explosive mines:
Dev Note: Our intent for the Explosive Mines has always been to have them be a defensive gadget that covers choke points to help protect an objective, and where placement is a skill. Being able to immediately place two of them back-to-back led to a lot of mine stacking, often right on the objective, and allowed defenses to be set up too quickly. We hope that adding 15s between each deployment and less damage will lead to less stacking and encourage teams to get to the objective location sooner in order to be able to fully set up defenses before combat commences.

*Our intent for the Explosive Mines has always been to have them be a defensive gadget that covers choke points to help protect an objective, and where placement is a skill. * - I think there are lot of skilled players who use explosive mines on not only objectives but open fights as well.

Being able to immediately place two of them back-to-back led to a lot of mine stacking, often right on the objective, and allowed defenses to be set up too quickly. - Wasnt that the intention in the first place.

*We hope that adding 15s between each deployment and less damage will lead to less stacking and encourage teams to get to the objective location sooner in order to be able to fully set up defenses before combat commences. - This statement is contradicting the prior statement. What has dropping mines got to do with reaching a site sooner. If a team is reaching a site and has just started cashbox, their first intention will mostly be to set up defenses. Fully setup defenses versus setup defenses with 15 sec delay.

The nerf on dropping 2 explosive mines back to back seems to does not make sense with the above dev note. In most of the nerfs seen for s4, I have noticed that either the quantity of item/ammo has been decreased and corresponding damage has been increased or more quantity and less damage. (There are certain exceptions as being discussed by others)

[shadow stirrup]

If you arent going to fix matchmaking in ranked, can you at least put a forfeit button? (this is too easy of a fix so I doubt devs will do it)

[cobalt hinge]

How tf do i play this game man what is this? and ofc it happends in the final round when im about to win

[kind peak]

Reduce cl40 splash to 10cm and return the explosives back to pre3.4 just to make everyone stop complaining about it

[distant sluice]

cant even open the game without it crashing on loadup

[torpid sky]

why did u push the heavy with sledge? totally your fault there

[thorn nebula]

PSA FOR EVERYONE:
If you want to get fans, spam heal beam in world tour. you will get 5x more than your teammates, even if they do better than you. I got 500 from a loss, while he got 117

[lyric junco]

its called not solo queing (this discord exists for a reason lol)

[last mirage]

• you need to invest in a gadget for only one particular class to counter an ability. (it is the same argument used with dome shields and glitch grenades before shields got nerfed.)
• dash can be predicted and can easily be countered for users with the cl40, change the light to have a double jump/ more erratic movement to mitigate damage and now we are on the same level. otherwise, it's a two-shot weapon that benefits from predictable dash movement.
• mesh shields have a cooldown timer for reopening the shield, dome shield lasts for 6 seconds and makes the user operate in an area of influence. both weaknesses are not a problem for a cl40 user
• automatic weapons can't move and shoot at the same time (too slow movement while firing.) Weapons that are semi-auto work well, but long-range weapons can't fully counter a CL40 user because they also have range with their shots. short-range weapons have to rush the cl40 user down to avoid damage and work in their area of influence, something that can be countered by barricading while running or running away and shooting.
• you can shoot while running with the cl40 much like the model 1877.
• cl40 can't reach players when there is a height advantage, however, the jump pad and zipline exist to cover up that fact.
• splash damage isn't hard to predict, especially when the explosives are triggered by contact on the surface. its when you land direct hits it would become hard to hit.
• you can destroy ziplines and mines easily. This can be used to trigger gas mines and explosive mines for more damage.
• splash damage works really well for players that bundle up together.
  the damage is perfect the way it is, but it needs damage falloff for long-range fights, the dash needs to be reworked to mitigate the damage done to light properly. other than that it would be fair for everyone involved. labeling it as a noob killer is a stretch at best because of how much utility it has while being good in nearly every range except melee.

[slate mauve]

Add Goo Mines.

Ok.

[ebon hemlock]

PLEASE LOWER THE FIRE RATE OF THE PIKE!

[winged glacier]

day 1 of suggesting some sort of hard to counter artificial weapom sway be added as an effect to the stun gun

[vestal prairie]

When the deagles have better bullet drop off than the revolver

[sharp glade]

this ! it runs like a$$ now

[daring fossil]

my game crashes when this happens. this started with the great performance loss of 3.14. I've had this crash 6 times since then. I think I've crashed less times than that in my entire 1300 hours of running the finals since launch

[tough merlin]

Wipes having 0 impact/10% impact in the two modes is literally awful. It's a fps game there is no reason to have any fight outside of a fight near a point now.

Not fighting over a point = a waste of time. Renders half the map pointless lol

[brisk garden]

we cannot let the cl40 stay meta. what the heck

[proud flax]

Anyone else getting server time outs?

[mellow geyser]

I don’t want to play PC players as a console player. Why is that not clear?

I’m glad you are. The player numbers will tell the true story. The four of us who play together are not having fun, which is not what you would expect at the start of a new season.

[surreal meadow]

crossplayh can be disabled or enabled in settings

[cobalt hinge]

Yeah i agree, before s4 (i didnt play s3), the game hasnt crashed a single time for me. Also this bug never happend either

[past idol]

PlayStation and Xbox should be able to play each other without pc. At the moment PlayStation and Xbox can’t play when crossplay is off. So we need a console only (crossplay)

[keen beacon]

so here's what i'm gathering:

negatives:

• to fix third partying, you made changes that made third partying undeniably worse
• you added an LH1 to a medium which while not as severe, has the same problems the LH1 had (incorrect balancing of fire rate and damage)
• you changed absolutely nothing about the model, even though its firerate has consistently been a problem
• M26 is just a model (because we needed more shotguns on light)
• spawns still suck and are actually worse now
• the game feels like it hasnt been QA 'd or tested at all
• scopes are either the xp scope or a shaky, uncontrollable red dot
• CL40 galore, every corner there's going to be some grenade launcher spamming that shit. that range is so large.
• spear is more powerful in literally only powershift
• the people i queue as teamates are dogshit, and can't keep up
• im getting diamonds as a gold/plat, but i dont have the overall team skill to fight them, and even then its just RNG because they're not even defending their own cashout

positives:

• we got cashout back
• explosive and glitch mines only have 1 (subjective)
• 93R got a buff
• we got a "new" map
• XP got a nerf (subjective)

good job embark. you really know how to make a gamemode miserable. and worst of all, you left us to just test the changes, and "thug it out" until we scream at you to fix it 3 weeks later. you won't even give us a public beta environment PBE, and i doubt you even considered it.

letting people test these changes in a test environment so that it doesnt hurt everybody once released? nope! let's push these changes to production, and hope it sticks!

• season 1, i had faith. its an indie game! what'd expect.
• season 2! well, not the greatest balancing, but i can take it!
• season 3, okay, i'm starting to get a little annoyed. you guys clearly fumbled, and possibly had no idea what to do. but whatever i guess.
• season 4. what the fuck. okay yeah. you have no idea what you're doing. i'm sure of it. the last three months, you've been sitting on your ass. there's no way that in three months, this is what you come up with, and it's somehow worse than the last two seasons combined. i can't escape the pike or the grenade launcher in either quick cash, world tour, or ranked. it's everywhere. all they havve to do is clear NEAR me and im dead. fuck you guys.

[shadow stirrup]

it cant be that deep

[carmine warren]

Genuinely confused about the XP nerf. Embark, you straight up said that light has the lowest win rate of the three classes. So then why are we out here nerfing their only viable weapon at the high end of the skill gap?

[lost owl]

You say the light is too weak and proceed to only nerf it, and now medium is just so fucking broken you have to kill a squad 2 times in 1 fight because everyone can have defib equipped

[sonic knot]

idk about you guys but facing full medium team is just impossible. and now the the cl its even worse

[stark pilot]

Dash can use after CL40 shoot. Can't be predict.
WTF bro any AR or pike or bow or sniper can easily kill CL40 player in long-range fight.
If your aim skill is bad you can practice, don't just complain bro.
Is cl40 easy to use in range fight??? It need 3 shoot to kill mid and AR is can kill it easily when 2ed bullet still fly in sky.
I don't know why every noobs still complain about cl40 or whatever can shoot when run, it is definitely their aim is bad so they can't track someone in run speed. BUT the FACT is this game isn't need a lot of track skill to take running object down.
Most shutgun or grenade launcher need more speed because their TTK is higher than any auto gun, they NEED more speed to use cover or change position.
In 5 or 10 meters, most in door fight distance, AR still can use hip fire to get more speed and still keep track somebody no loss a lot of damage, this game's hip fire like Apex. WTF does anyone don't know it?
Mesh nerf need revest, and did you know doom shield can throw to your enemy ???? You can just throw the FK doom shield and let CL40 player explode himself !!
If CL40 player jumping in the sky he need to predict and a lot of time he did less damage every single shot, and AR of LMG can kill or fucus fire easily to kill CL40 player. WHY did you think cl40 player can easily make more damage in 15 meter distance than AR ?
I think you just a person play "high skill weapon" but don't have high skill, and keep complain why CL40 can easily take your down.
Does anyone metion about FMAS is too strong for a lot of time? That is most weird thing the this channel, I think it just because FMAS is too difficult to noobs,
Whole noobs in this channel don't recognize FMAS is best AR in this game because they don't meet in quick play or lower rank and themself also don't know how to use.
Just keeping complain the half auto weapon can run and shoot, but don't practice your track skill and complain to ruin the game balance.

[brittle obsidian]

embark hates light so much they turned medium into better light. seriously what were you guys thinking with the pike?

[rigid valve]

theres a audio bug with the M11

[daring fossil]

just because the light has the lowest winrate doesn't mean the XP wasn't stupidly overpowered, it was literally better than the AK in every way. It needed a range nerf more than a damage nerf though.

[digital herald]

lights had the best ttk last seasson what are u on

[quasi wyvern]

the destruction change made some maps unplayable. 1 heavy can destroy an entire map now

[echo radish]

CL-40 at start of the S3(Pink one) is best imo. It demands skill to actually 2 tap light and it doesn't act like close range no aim shotgun at this moment. also doing a decent damage to heavy and medium when you aim well. Without reverting Linear explosive patch and only changing damage, this gun will be just no aim no skill shotgun OR pile of garbage, not solving any actual problem. JUST REVERT LINEAR EXPLOSIVE PATCH OR AT LEAST MAKE IT LIKE S3 STARTUP NEAR IMPACT AND LINEAR EXPLOSIVE AT THE END. SOME DAMAGE BUFF IS FINE BUT REVERTING LINEAR EXPLOSIVE REWORK OUT OF THIS WEAPON SHOULD BE FIRST TO DO TO CHANGE CL-40 AS NORMAL WEAPON.

[restive crescent]

nerf cl 40

[sharp estuary]

nerf cl 40

[quartz cedar]

nerf cl 40

[charred delta]

nerf cl40

[mortal notch]

I’d rather watch paint dry than play against this MMH pike/model dog walking meta

[crystal storm]

Revert the CL-40 changes, this shit is just way too easy to use for how effective it is, did not need these changes at all. Its annoying enough to play vs explo weapons without them out TTK'ing you. The damage and blast radius is just insane right now, every lobby gets like 5-6 CL-40's and lobby is cooked. Its already mechanically really strong because you basically get shotgun movement, and you can just pop in to cover between shots.

You guys REALLY missed the mark on this, hope you can change this within a couple of days and not wait for people to quit the game first this time. Weapons like this should NEVER rival guns requiring aim and tracking to be effective.

[past idol]

I love this game but playing pc makes me want to stop playing. There is a fairness argument here and embark are not acting in the best interest of a large portion of players. We are cannon fodder nothing else.

[unreal fossil]

CL-40 users writing walls of text explaining how their precious weapon isn't broken when it deals more damage than the nerfed RPG while having infinite ammo, and teaching us hundreds of ways we possibly couldn't have thought of ourselves to avoid getting obliterated by someone who's left clicking in our general direction.

If the CL-40 is so bad, then pre-nerf RPG was only slightly better, and shouldn't have been nerfed. It literally shares all the ups and down of the CL-40. But hey guess what, people have constantly complained about how obnoxious the RPG was, when Heavies get to fire it once every 40 or so seconds IIRC.

Yeah, yeah, I know. RPG is a gadget, not a primary, blah blah blah. I really don't care to be honest. I just want the semi-auto RPG to get nerfed into oblivion, where it belongs. @crystal storm said it very well: weapons like this should NEVER rival guns requiring aim and tracking to be effective. Couldn't have said it better.

[wraith glade]

so true

[torpid sky]

nerf cl 40 dmg

nerf pike (you can't win against this weapon in most of the scenarios with any weapon in light's arsenal)

nerf model dmg

[crisp solstice]

pls for the love of god nerf the fucking light class would be the best game ever if i didn't have to walk into a room and imedietly die to a guy in the coner with the xp then just dash a way its so annoying

[carmine warren]

Yes, I agree. The XP was better (and still is, tbh) than the AK in basically every way. That's because it's only accessible on light, who has 150 HP. Light NEEDS their guns to be better than every other class because they die so fast. It's the same reason that AKM, FAMAS, and FCAR all have faster ttks and better recoil and are better at range than the heavy's Lewis or M60. Heavy has more HP, so they need to have worse guns or there wouldn't be a reason to play any other class.

I understand where the sentiment of "XP is too strong" comes from, because it was the only gun being used by lights in competitive situations. However, that wasn't because XP was too good, it was because all their other tools were either too weak or too niche.

[crimson pier]

5v5 quick cash/cashout

• no third parties
• still a mode the game was designed for
• limited respawn coins (if it’s ever ranked)
• maybe role limits (if it’s ranked, maybe HMMLL)

I can’t stand cashout’s third parties determining who qualifies and poorly ranking skill, and terminal attack wasn’t a mode that worked for how this game was designed. This is a good compromise in my mind

[surreal meadow]

**EMBARK!!

DROP 5v5 CASH

AND MY WALLET IS YOURS!!! Day 23/100 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥**

[burnt notch]

https://tenor.com/view/get-a-load-of-this-guy-disney-cringe-bruhtiktok-ayeyuhaye-fed2fire-gif-20701848

[thorny parcel]

Cashout ranked is the most trash game mode I swear. Spawning me 200 meters away while I am defending. Random teams everywhere

[lavish shard]

Nerf pike but dont kill them
Damage 59 to 55
Headshot 1.5 to 1.3

[candid mango]

i have no idea if embark/the finals developers even pay attention to this channel, but i think there seriously needs to be more updates and patches targeted toward poor performance.
it seems like everywhere i look (i.e. the steam forums, subreddit etc.) there are people complaining about issues with performance both in general and on specific maps/situations. this tends to be the case (from my experience) regardless of the specs of peoples' systems.

idk i think there really needs to be an optimization-focused update. this game is one of the worst performing games i own despite not being nearly as graphically demanding as other games i own and it's incredibly weird.

[daring fossil]

can you increase the cashout amounts in quickcash too? it's pointless gamemode-wise but I've played more games than most people and im still only 40m on the achievement purely because I mostly just play quickcash

@carmine warren you're preaching to the choir dude, I have over 500 hours in-matches with light. I don't use the XP because it's too generic and easy to use compared to everything else, I used to main the LH1 before they ruined it by lowering the skill ceiling, while also nerfing it. the XP should not be able to snipe people from further ranges than the AK as effectively let alone better than.

[rapid merlin]

the amount of times I start a world tour without a 3rd teammate is infuriating please fix this its ridiculous

[unborn gust]

Stop nerfing every single thing and instead buff the other guns to be balanced so the guns actually feel like guns and not a bunch of pea shooters, it feels like Fortnite with the weak ahh guns

[viral stump]

is the cl40 buff staying?

[next rock]

If you're taking a head to head 1v1 as a light you're playing light wrong. You can easily beat a pike. You should realistically be getting first shot every time as a light or cleaning up one shots

[tidal compass]

I just had a game with 5 lights in it all running dash double barrel, painful experience

[echo radish]

THE PROBLEM OF CL-40 IS IT ACTS LIKE SHOTGUN WHEN IN CLOSE FIGHT COMBAT. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT MUCH AIM BECAUSE linear explosive rework embark did way back before season 3. THE PROBLEM IS THIS. IT WAS DOGSHIT IN S3 AND IT WAS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH DAMAGE EVEN WITH DIRECT HIT. AND NOW IT DEALS A LOT BECAUSE IT HAS HIGH DAMAGE WITHOUT DIRECT HIT. JUST REMOVE LINEAR EXPLOSIVE DAMAGE FROM THIS WEAPON AND GIVE PROPER BONUS FOR DIRECT HIT. IT DEALS 70~80 WHEN IT DOES 40~50 BEFORE S3 AND THIS IS AWKWARD. IT WILL NEVER MEET A GREAT SPOT IF LINEAR EXPLOSIVE REWORK NOT REMOVED FOR THIS GUN. IT WILL ALWAYS BE CHEAP SHOTGUN OR JUST UNDERPERFORMING GARBAGE. JUST REMOVE EXPLOSIVE LINEAR DAMAGE AND ONLY REVERT STEP-LIKE DAMAGE TO CL-40. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE ACTUAL CL-40 USER HAPPY, AND FOR EVERYONE ELSE. NOT REMOVING LINEAR EXPLOSIVE REWORK AND ONLY REDUCING DAMAGE OF CL-40 WON'T MAKE A CHANGE. WE ALREADY HAD THAT IN S3. JUST GIVE US PROPER DIRECT HIT BONUS LIKE BEFORE AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT.

[tough merlin]

Sir no one is going to read all caps.

Not me, not the other player's and definitely not the devs.

[waxen hornet]

Yes me, like you go to join a game and it just times out? This happens every second game for me and this is fucking annoying

[uneven dagger]

holy light gadget cooldowns

[sinful valve]

this, i glazed that post

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 35)

[brittle isle]

I want season 3 music back 😦 😦 😦

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @frail prawn @wraith orchid @cyan crane @lunar vault @river plover @tawdry tree Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[last spire]

Not sure if something has changed or if it's just bad luck, but I've had a big increase in how often my character is getting completely stuck. Usually involves debris from environmental destruction.

[upper citrus]

are u going to ping them every time

[torpid sky]

if you win against a pike medium while he is full hp that means he is a bad player who can't aim/ flick

[sudden tangle]

light was never meta. since season 1 we had a M/H meta.

[unreal fossil]

It will always be that way since both classes are the team players and light is the odd ball roaming around the other two.

[wise flame]

up the loadout slots to 99

[barren pawn]

"yerp second game connection lost again"

[unique wasp]

people really overstate how impressive tracking is. the "tracking-heavy" guns are some of the easiest guns in the game- less punishing and they work in any situation. Landing a CL-40 nade on someone in midair or against someone at range/with highground is way more impressive then lasering them with the m60 or w/e IMO. the idea that weapons like that and the AK inherently deserve to be stronger because they "require tracking" (with very light recoil and a huge mag) is strange to me. I'll say that they could reign in CL's splash a little and that'd probably be fine but it was in a genuinely non-functional state in S3 and that's a shame, because it's a very fun weapon to use

[sleek finch]

Game feedback with new season. Please for the love of god respond to videos sent along with hackers gamer tags. I should not be possible to get sniped by the new akimbos from across Narnia on PlayStation. I don’t care how good you’re at this game. These f*cking “Temp_96298630” gamer tags carrying people in tournament is getting old.

[full sundial]

please mitigate the points lost in ranked when someone d/c :\ this is like the 4th game where i played and someone d/c

[mortal notch]

id rather watch paint dry than play model/pike dog walking meta ranked is so boring rn

[patent sluice]

Make it so solos v other solos rather than parties

[quick coyote]

they didn't... not exactly. the hold mechanic is an insane buff to the weapon, but unfortunately the movement penalty while charging is devastating and the backstab animation (from clicking to kill-confirm) is slower than the old dagger.

[halcyon depot]

I've been using the CL-40 as my main and the AKM as my sub since Season 1,

Even though the damage has been increased this season, I've "hardly used" the CL-40

Even though I say that, there are still people who think the CL-40 is a really strong weapon.

It has many drawbacks, such as the bullet speed slowing down, making it difficult to hit at long distances, and the fact that it can be avoided even after seeing it,

but the biggest drawback is that it only has four bullets loaded, and you reload one at a time instead of all at once.

In other words, if the enemy wastes a bullet and you fire all four, you'll end up in a dire situation where you have to reload one and fire again.

It's stupider to not waste one or two bullets out of the four bullets.

[ripe coral]

Tbf, I dont think they read 95% of this chat

[stark pilot]

The worst thinking about balance is " The weapon is easy to use need to be more more weak than high skill weapon. "
CL40 is easy to use but it' s definitely NOT a "OP" weapon in this game.
Learn how to against CL40 and learn how to counter every different weapon it is all noob need to do because CL40 is definitely a noob killer.
You can stand high to easy against it, you can quick put APS and fight with them with no risk, you can just jump to he's face and make DPS check.
Use you dash dodge, use shield block, have range weapon make more distance to shoot them, keep move and shoot to take less explosive damage.
This weapon has high TTK and need to predict, can't fight the people stand high and can't shoot someone jumping into sky easily.
That have a lot of disadvantage to counter, if you don't just peek them and against continuously in the same way, it would not a big problem in this game, I'm sure.
The most easily vertical combat can easily make CL40 weaker them most of weapon.
If a weapon only can do one easy thing. that one need to be powerful. That is great balance need to do.
PLEASE, Embark don't just trust those noob saying and ruin this game again and again.
I'm tired to only play AR or shotgun or LMG in high rank, there are so many different and featural weapon, but only 10 weapon playable in this game.
FMAS is strong a lot of time and nobody mention, that is weird. Maybe that say it's skill issue, but aim skill can be practice but weapon damage don't.
Skill let you can do more thing and win more games, but it's shouldn't dominate the weapon strong or not.
I'm a sword play since S1, but choose meta weapon still more and more easier to win or kill or do something in every game.
A lot of noob don't want learn anything and just complain and complain in this channel.
Someone don't want any balance in this game, that just kill some weapon they don't want combating.
Those noobs probably would complain WHY flamethrower can easily kill them with no skill.

[hearty smelt]

CPU optimization pls

[crystal storm]

holy cope, its basically a shotgun you can shoot at the floor for easy kills with minimum effort or skill - a non-direct hit has no business doing more than like 70 dmg.

[tropic swift]

I honestly like the season rn and I feel like the meta is finally shaken up a bit. Compared to season 3, new play styles are more encouraged. The new map is amazing and fun.
I kind of miss the old circuits though.

My only issue is how dealing with some classes is pure cancer, especially lights. Lights have created a more rock paper scissors interaction between classes and not with skill. Light is definitely not the best class if it comes to winning games, but it's just so annoying to fight against them. Also I think it's just too stressful and annoying to play as a light as well. I think lights need more survivability than just focusing so much on kill speed. Nobody likes to be instantly killed(for both lights and others), and no one likes to fight against a sword dash that swipes your health as they teleport behind you.
And I know some people will disagree to this, but this is not a matter of how fair it is, it's about how fun it is. Fun > Fair.

[shadow stirrup]

Add a forfeit button in the Final round. No one is against this

[balmy apex]

Hear me out. Pirate themed outfit. And more in game events like earthquakes or run speed increase. Goofy things like that would be cool. What do you all think?

[odd ibex]

@crystal storm @balmy apex @quick coyote @shy token @unborn gust a good idea for a rework for spear finally!

The spear is so bad and ever used maybe u can have a secondary attack that’s fast jump with the spear stick/pole vaulting over platform with a thrust attack falling down,it’s for closing distance and greater platform reach so the thrust isn’t high damage plus heavy has a lot of health but with such great mobility the primary wide swings should be narrow,also a heavy suddenly getting close to u with high health and charge n slam is oppressive enough.

The secondary now is almost useless with spinning in one places and others shoot u.

Hammer causes destruction and high damage and spear is mobility and precision.

[patent wind]

or just let us throw the spear

[hollow anvil]

Hey, guys! I'd like to know when HOLTOW.COM can support the content of the card face of custom insurance cards QAQ After all, I feel that the card face of custom can bring us more fun

[wooden shuttle]

This CL "Noob Tube" buff is insane its actually the easiest weapon too use in the game how the fuck are you gonna say the time to kill is the same since when is everyone full health in every fight, if you are even remotely chipped the ttk is down by a shot its so damn stupid.. Also since when was the M11 a sniper? that DPS is insane. its crazy how you keep buffing Light like it isnt the strongest class and then nerfing the fuck out of heavy and absolutely gutting the mesh shield (one of if not the easiest ability to counter in the game)

[last mirage]

I rocked the cl40 back in beta, lights are a joke when they try to go against that weapon even back in season 3. no matter if it's dash, cloak, or zipline. the trick is to shoot them after they dashed, not before.
lights have 150 health which is easy to scare off of aiming at you with long-ranged with 2-3 shots. lights before pike, had all the long-ranged weapons.
its not about speed that can make people not hit someone, it's about predictability. dash is predictable because of them going at a fixed rate in a straight line. granted you have multiple options of going in that straight line but it's still a line. it also doesn't help that they don't have a height advantage whenever they fight on level playing ground, making it easy for splash damage.
to put things into perspective. imagine if the scout in Team Fortress 2 didn't have a double jump. soldiers would make that class completely useless in 1v1 fights because of how predictable they would have made that class. the double jump helps force soldiers to aim for body shots to kill the scout quickly. This helps make Scout be this slippery little rabbit that he is supposed to be.
again cl40 is balanced for medium and heavy. but its range is not needed long range to fight off snipers, and it's too punishing for lights trying to fight on your terms. I ain't complaining about the gun, but there are reasons why your weapon is hard to counter at times. also for the dome shield you can just reposition yourself away from it or run away if they are trying to push you. blocking line of sight is not a good strategy at all for the other players since it's still not a guarantee. I mained melee heavy casually, and positioning is punishing against classes that are faster than heavy since the ball is in their court. even if they used ranged guns with a mesh shield, you can just play around the shield, popping in and out and using the burst damage that the cl40 has to gain the upper hand. kind of like the model 1877.

[quiet quarry]

SPEAKING FAX 🗣️

[tidal compass]

I'm sorry we playing the same game ? Don't get me wrong lights are good players and having a good light who plays with the team is a god send but to sit here and say they've never been meta is wild. Pre season they were one of the strongest classes and they've stayed roughly the same till this season were they haven't received the strongest gear were Still the new shotty is strong but not the strongest now cause the mindless lights can't just run around and do what they want now they all feel hard done by and crying for nerf this nerf that

[soft wedge]

We would like a system that allows us to know when we will get the next badge

[echo radish]

THE PROBLEM OF CL-40 IS IT ACTS LIKE SHOTGUN WHEN IN CLOSE FIGHT COMBAT. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT MUCH AIM BECAUSE linear explosive rework embark did way back before season 3. THE PROBLEM IS THIS. IT WAS DOGSHIT IN S3 AND IT WAS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH DAMAGE EVEN WITH DIRECT HIT. AND NOW IT DEALS A LOT BECAUSE IT HAS HIGH DAMAGE WITHOUT DIRECT HIT. JUST REMOVE LINEAR EXPLOSIVE DAMAGE FROM THIS WEAPON AND GIVE PROPER BONUS FOR DIRECT HIT. IT DEALS 70~80 WHEN IT DOES 40~50 BEFORE S3 AND THIS IS AWKWARD. IT WILL NEVER MEET A GREAT SPOT IF LINEAR EXPLOSIVE REWORK NOT REMOVED FOR THIS GUN. IT WILL ALWAYS BE CHEAP SHOTGUN OR JUST UNDERPERFORMING GARBAGE. JUST REMOVE EXPLOSIVE LINEAR DAMAGE AND ONLY REVERT STEP-LIKE DAMAGE TO CL-40. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE ACTUAL CL-40 USER HAPPY, AND FOR EVERYONE ELSE. NOT REMOVING LINEAR EXPLOSIVE REWORK AND ONLY REDUCING DAMAGE OF CL-40 WON'T MAKE A CHANGE. WE ALREADY HAD THAT IN S3. JUST GIVE US PROPER DIRECT HIT BONUS LIKE BEFORE AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT.

[orchid osprey]

Please buff the revolver, why does it even exist now? I'm missing 3 shots on a target that is standing still after they mess up charge and slam or some bug happened and they gave up. I think I missed the second to last shot near their waist because I thought they were going to turn to the right some but just stood still. https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2486639889003392526/D87E842C7E28C33F19B0A1C55DCA38CBE33A6A79/ I've used the revolver all of last season and got kind of frustrated at the end of the season and played Deadlock when I got access. Having the 4th season come out I was really excited and I honestly just want to get the 10 credits I need for the new medium gun or to go akimbos heavy because the revolver feels like I could be winning with anything else so much of the time. It's fun to use, but I really don't understand the philosophy around it's current existence and why it doesn't have better bloom, a quicker reload or something. (I also know I could probably muscle memory some of the location of those shots by pulling harder to the side to account for bloom, but I'm only a few games back after a break)

[tulip harbor]

yrr

[blissful sail]

it gets overshadowed by the pike now😭

[daring fossil]

I stopped maining the revolver in season 1, and everything out-guns it now

[ionic saddle]

Don't count first round losses in as placements. No one should get penalized for getting matched with terrible teammates

[spiral hemlock]

destruction been changed and its mad laggy, hopefully those optimizations and engine enhancements coming soon

[fathom gazelle]

then what's the point lol? use the lfg tab to find teamates

[frank gull]

You have a good point, Embark seems to have easily quadrupled AOE when simply doubling it would have sufficed.
Perhaps being able to do single, & double doors will work best.
I also noticed closing all doors can be difficult in 1 charge.
Ideally you should be able to open original single and new double doors. However, if you want to open a larger AOE you should be expected to take a few steps back for functionality.
When on the run the last thing you need is to open a door you can't close.

[halcyon depot]

If you do that, you'll be beaten to death by an enemy melee weapon user before you can kill the enemy.
If you're not a melee weapon user, you should carry goo grenades.
The goo gets in the way, so the CL-40 user wastes bullets, and the risk of taking unnecessary self-damage increases.
The enemy makes good use of the goo mass and moves around, firing bullets at the CL-40 user, so the CL-40 user is in a tight spot.
There are also many other things that CL-40 users don't like when they get beaten by the enemy, if you use the CL-40 for a long time.
That's why I don't use it much even though the damage has increased.
When I use it for reasons other than "I'll use it once in a while," it's often because I'm desperate.
I don't care if the enemy, allies, or myself die.
When I simply want damage or kills, I use model.

[faint fiber]

please for the love of god put in a solo que for ranked please

[echo panther]

i want an infected mode and a zombie skin for halloween that has its own voice lines and grunts yahhhhh sammmmmmmmmm and make the map actully dark and scary and let the people who are infected and run around with dagger use the zombie skin also make a suvivor skin would be sick

[upper citrus]

It’s wild that we got a gun almost everyone can agree is overtuned (pike) but model is still meta over it. Nerf the model

[quiet pivot]

the light sniper is now completly useless and the next best thing is the medium sniper, which is complete shit. please, please, please revert the sniper changes.

[uncut stump]

Skill issue

[surreal meadow]

INFECTION IS A FPS CLASSIC CMON EMBARK

[finite wagon]

monaco 2014's pacing has been completely destroyed due to the pike. i don't know if it was a good idea to give mediums a hitscan long range dmr while they have such high health pools

[hollow dune]

😔

[undone swallow]

Meta in lobbies of higher elo than you will ever see. Get out of cardboard 4 rank where people unironically think the model is "high skill" because they can't aim and you will realize that it's overpowered and why it's overpowered. Almost every single high tier comp player agrees that the model is overtuned. It's actually a skill issue to think the weapon is okay.

Let me know when you understand the game enough to realize why a medium being non-diveable is unhealthy for the game.

[odd ibex]

@balmy apex @quick coyote @unborn gust a good idea for a rework for spear finally!

The spear is so bad and ever used maybe u can have a secondary attack that’s fast jump with the spear stick/pole vaulting over platform with a thrust attack falling down,it’s for closing distance and greater platform reach so the thrust isn’t high damage plus heavy has a lot of health but with such great mobility the primary wide swings should be narrow,also a heavy suddenly getting close to u with high health and charge n slam is oppressive enough.

The secondary now is almost useless with spinning in one places and others shoot u.

Hammer causes destruction and high damage and spear is mobility and precision.

[sudden tangle]

you are malding beyond belief. i said since launch purposefully. beta was a clusterfk. everyone was a noob at the game, and light excells at killing noobs (like yourself). Real meta can be talked about from season 1 onwards, and i will repeat because you seem to have issues understanding simple english: light has never been meta since season 1, it's been strictly H and M. Don't believe me, idc, stay bad.

[wooden shuttle]

Bro is spittingggg

[fleet socket]

Embark please list the experience amount for equipment when looking at the overview of a certain item instead of just saying "gain experience on use", the wiki has had the amount gained for seasons now and we shouldn't have to check the wiki anytime we wanna know about experience

[restive nest]

nerf kyoto, i only want to see this map once every 15 games. thank you embark

[quick coyote]

One of the tank's basic weaknesses is that it has no mobility... Let's just not.

[viscid sapphire]

TFGE error still needs fixing for match connectivity.

[carmine salmon]

10/10 game no complaints at all

[rose vigil]

can anyone help me? last season 3 update messed up my game. any gun fights or explosions reduce my frames to dust. i'm not sure what to do.

[mortal ridge]

New season has been great, but there's no reason why I should lose to aCL-40 shooting grenades at their own feet because they take almost no self damage from it

[late mulch]

I think I've played Power Shift for the last time until devs can figure out how to weed out lobbies full of snipers and spawn trappers who care more about farming kills than playing the objective. Shame, it was a good game mode

[acoustic wadi]

Why tf did you buff the cl-40 this hard embark? Wtf? I use it and I agree that it doesn't need to be this buffed.

[visual bronze]

could yall possible balance the game instead of nuking guns and class's tired of this embark your game is so good but you guys keep over nerfing things instead of buffing others half the time theres only one good weapon on each class

[autumn linden]

NERF THE CL-40 U MF CLOWNS

[grim dust]

I think it would be cool if the sights changed along with the skin so they don't look out of place kinda how it works with the fcar, it's a minor nitpick tho game is good regardless

[surreal meadow]

heavys can have mobility (context of movement shooter & classes/HPs) IFFFFFF IT IS
~ Average but self damaging (sacrafice tanky but faster, RPG rocket boost, zipline level "fast")
~ Slow AF and very telegraphed (anti grav cube level slow and obvious, but team oriented)

we do NOT want tanks dictating dive/mobility metas, high HP + excessive mobility (ontop of heavys insane DPS/skill ceiling) is a disaster
but it would be nice to have for average/ casual

[restive crescent]

they dont even look the same bro, the beta one is so unique

[upper citrus]

Where is this even coming from lol? Most of the entire last patch was buffs. Almost everything that has been nerfed since launch has been deserved

[wooden summit]

Take Kyoto off of rotation for power shift I can't even load into the starting screen without lag and on top of that everyone else in the match leaves too for the same reason the maps useless at the moment in terms of enjoyment and playability

[molten trail]

i stand with the nerf cl 40 gamers

[copper lark]

nerf medium plz

[violet matrix]

Cl-40 players is patethic... nerff cl-40

[quartz cedar]

nerf CL-40 yes

[dusty latch]

Idk why this is the second time I've been put in a competitive lobby with one team a whole rank higher than everyone. How is it fair that a bunch of silvers with 15-17k have to fight a full team of 25k+. Please please please please balance out the teams. It becomes a free game for them and it's just BS

[valid cradle]

REVERT MESH SHIELD CHANGES ITS USELESS NOW WTF

[flat pawn]

can we get the ability to change the ## on the items in the Battle pass??

[prisma brook]

On PC, in the lobby and menus, make right click send you back to the previous menu. If you do, I'll be a happy camper

[wicked bolt]

Should have a semtex grenade that can be thrown at a decent range. It would be fun to stick enemies with that. Could possibly be a hard counter to Riot shields.
Used to be like that in Rogue Company

[vestal sun]

How can someone contact Embark about a VFX mistake that has been in the game since release? The suppressed weapons (M11 and V95) still have muzzle flash, which seems off for a weapon with a suppressor.

[remote swallow]

Im still hardly loading into matches since the patch droppped

[carmine token]

Hey Embark, I'm sure you're well enough aware of this, but "balancing" by blanket nerfing everything into the ground without some kind of side-tweaks to counteract those nerfs will only serve to make your problem of "Lights are the most popular class" worse, especially among the lower-tier lobbies (the majority of the playerbase).

[versed latch]

Buff the pike

[ebon cloak]

please show the ks23 some love

[shell raven]

while sticky grenades sound cool as hell, and i'm all for it, i don't think riot shields need another counter - currently, any melee weapon + flamethrower ignores the shield entirely, and if they are blocking a lot, which is the main reason you would use the semtex as a counter, they simply can't move fast enough to close the distance

[brittle obsidian]

make ks23 2-tap walls

[steel stone]

Low gravity still needs to stop happening at the end of a game, it completely ends games

[hollow stream]

Just got out of a gold rank cash out game with 11 mediums (1 heavy) every single one running heal beam / defib.... what a toxic ass match man... 370+ damage to mediums without getting a kill, down one and they're right back up and being fully healed. (I was in solo que so I deserved it I guess)

[upper citrus]

I like how everyone who said “just buff the rifles up to the same level as the model” is now realizing why that’s a terrible idea with the pike being added.

Believe it or not, breaking intended class limits will always negatively impact gameplay!

Ban the guy below me

[molten trail]

buff the pike to one shot lights

[rose vigil]

last s3 update left my game not working. use to average 80-120 fps, now only 45-80 fps

[west shale]

Number one complaint with the game atm is that getting disconnected counts as "abandoning" a match and I keep getting penalized because of these disconnect issues

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 35)

[echo radish]

THE PROBLEM OF CL-40 IS IT ACTS LIKE SHOTGUN WHEN IN CLOSE FIGHT COMBAT. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT MUCH AIM BECAUSE linear explosive rework embark did way back before season 3. THE PROBLEM IS THIS. IT WAS DOGSHIT IN S3 AND IT WAS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH DAMAGE EVEN WITH DIRECT HIT. AND NOW IT DEALS A LOT BECAUSE IT HAS HIGH DAMAGE WITHOUT DIRECT HIT. JUST REMOVE LINEAR EXPLOSIVE DAMAGE FROM THIS WEAPON AND GIVE PROPER BONUS FOR DIRECT HIT. IT DEALS 70~80 WHEN IT DOES 40~50 BEFORE S3 AND THIS IS AWKWARD. IT WILL NEVER MEET A GREAT SPOT IF LINEAR EXPLOSIVE REWORK NOT REMOVED FOR THIS GUN. IT WILL ALWAYS BE CHEAP SHOTGUN OR JUST UNDERPERFORMING GARBAGE. JUST REMOVE EXPLOSIVE LINEAR DAMAGE AND ONLY REVERT STEP-LIKE DAMAGE TO CL-40. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE ACTUAL CL-40 USER HAPPY, AND FOR EVERYONE ELSE. NOT REMOVING LINEAR EXPLOSIVE REWORK AND ONLY REDUCING DAMAGE OF CL-40 WON'T MAKE A CHANGE. WE ALREADY HAD THAT IN S3. JUST GIVE US PROPER DIRECT HIT BONUS LIKE BEFORE AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT.

[tired ibex]

SOLO BANK IT CUSTOMS WHEN?

[unborn gust]

I am silver 3 at 13,114 and I just went against a team of full diamonds one of which was 7th on the leaderboard, please fix the skill based matchmaking

[hidden torrent]

Can I get a red dot on my beretta pretty please

[carmine token]

Honest to God skill issue.
@molten trail based.

[steel stone]

L opinion + didn't ask

[daring fossil]

pretty sure there's a memory leak that was introduced in 3.14 the same time performance took a dump, I keep crashing.

[ripe herald]

I really like the Dematerializer but I think it is annoying how when there are 2 walls really close together and you try to Demat through but it only gets 1 of the walls

[shrewd oriole]

Nerf pike, this thing is an officiated crutch weapon lets be real.

[simple parrot]

what is worse in terms of frustration being a melee main and getting stun gunned twice or having to kill a team of mediums where they defib each other and have a consrtant healing beam going?

[mortal ridge]

Third partying is still a huge problem, if not worse than it was

[somber snow]

CL40 is buffed too much. It simple makes it way too big of a splash weapon that is closer to a 4 count mini RPG rather than an evenly matched alternative to bullet based weapons. I'm not sure what the intent of the massive buff in damage, aoe size, center size was but it went too far on the opposite side of where CL40 was. CL40 was weak, but good in the hands of good players. Now it's just a a spam frag weapon that has way too big a range

[glossy vessel]

@rich galleon Did you miss me?
It's just that me and my friends are powerful
or maybe it's just that you a noob

[echo radish]

Nah it was bad after linear explosive rework

[dusty totem]

Make free Community Event/LTM event rewards avaliable again for multibucks after they've been gone for a while. They're not part of the battle pass nor do they cost money/multibucks so I don't see the problem. Would be a great opportunity for Embark to make money/remove some of the FOMO aspect from the game.

[sharp willow]

its the easiest thing to spawn kill a defib respawn as any class

[rich galleon]

The gameplay was very questionable. The lobby has reported you and your teammate for cheating. Just FYI.

While 12 kills and 0 dealth is possible in Powershift (I landed like 18 one day but with LH1 standing far) but not for 2 people while 1 with Matter.

Don't need any explanation just to raise awareness for others

@spring ether - possible, not disputing, see above. But 2 people at the same lobby clearly avoiding any dealth in Poweshift mess and actively engaging in close combat without death is HIGHY irregual. Other here suspects the same

[gleaming peak]

Actual good feedback inbound: we need an option to carry on the menu music to the practice range

[gilded marlin]

I also matched with this guy and he is sus

[spring ether]

Im pike556noob used xp54 with taser,and i think that is possible,i dont kown which part let u think we cheating @rich galleon My ability use stealth and also took thermal imaging ofc i could avoid unnecessary fight

[undone cedar]

Omg pls pls we need more sleeveless shirts my chocolate tank looks hot af we need more of this pls i will pay anything

[rough oasis]

Was able to see steam player names instead of Embark ID names upon having a game crash, then rejoining a tournament.

Also the game is a bit more unstable recent patch!

[modest quest]

I got a bug, when the last minute stole my cashout did not win. here is the clip , https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxgdgcwr2EkdIdfYsDDFmxyTIYIVvb5_Bn?si=tVgFyc_cczNbgI_J

[upper spear]

man i just play a match where i got no teammates i left the match and now i need to wait to play again? it wasnt even competitive cmon

[narrow sail]

buff smoke grenade fr

[abstract geyser]

The Finals should not have new maps in ranked rotation for the first week or two of them being released. Every other competitive shooter keeps them out of rotation for a period after they are released. Also, why do we have uneven weights on what map is chosen in ranked queue? It should not be 80% new map and 20% other.

Also, if there is a major game breaking bug like this sword teleporting issue it shouldn't be allowed to be used! Either hotfix it immediately or disable it until it is patched, at the very least in ranked.

This game has so much potential and I won't stop playing but these are heavy friction points that other games do so well already and seem like basics when it comes to a competitive shooter. Please embark for the love of ospuze I know you can do better.

[uncut stump]

Lost a world tour cause I was losing frames great job embark

[wintry trout]

change the sword lunge back to the way it was, and instead decrease the charge-up time for the secondary
I don't really notice the difference with the lunge, but there's a lot of times when I feel like I definitely held the secondary long enough and it just releases instead

[cold bolt]

dmr is def overtuned for launch, dangerous class of weapon to add in the first place tbh regarding balancing, it completely power creeps everything except the model on medium, and sword buff was unneeded, idk what data they're looking at but the top sword players were already using it at the highest levels, very unnecessary buff

[compact ermine]

Support for more kinds of controllers other than PlayStation

[nimble kiln]

me when i push the weapon that can deal 200 damage up close and get dealt 200 damage up close

[jovial oyster]

Something super simple and small, but I think it would be really nice if while partied up, you could just click on the name of someone in your party from the home screen and it display their player card, so you can see their ranks in WT as well as stats. 🙂

[sick hound]

the Gl is super busted now

[dusky tree]

To add to the growing pile of complaints, the pike is way too good, makes the revolver obsolete

[tulip harbor]

ok

[daring fossil]

sponsor XP shows total/what you need for level unlike how career and battlepass show what you have/what you need

[near lava]

Idk why the finals is so bad at telling you who’s on what. Just because I played PC Finals one time anytime I play with a PC player it says I’m on steam. But if someone played the finals once on their ps5 it shows them as a ps5 player on my side of things. It then becomes very hard to tell if someone is cheating in the first place because I can’t tell if they’re on PC or actually a console player. Embark plz fix the way ppl ID’s work

[signal basin]

The fact I mention here is just you shouldn't take dmg behind a cover. I can't hit him but he can ? Without any reduce dmg ? That the fact I'm pointing. If I knew he could do that I will never push him

[zinc scaffold]

Medium seriously never had issues with medium range damage the AK has near 0 recoil and was enough to do damage at medium range the pike 556 is way too strong up close, no idea where the M having medium ranged issues ever came up but it makes no sense

[winter vapor]

Please add a symbol to steam icons if they are using controller that way i can try to keep a moderate distance from their aimbot power.

Also, the sword is broken, you cant even fight them up close because they literally teleport everywhere. It looks like absolute garbage for a 2024 game.

You gave every noob here a CL40 buff so they could participate and get kills, but that shouldnt negate someone who can actually aim, strafe, use cover, etc.

Im fine with the damage, but at least control the damage radius a bit where you have to moderately aim.

The fact its only like a 15% damage deduction if they shoot 10 meters away is insane. This way you actually have to PREDICT movement and AIM a bit. This is what should be expected in fps games.

[glacial sierra]

• invite friend to squad
• start game
• friend isn't in squad
• friend can't join any games
• my game crashes to desktop mid round.
• GG

[obsidian snow]

The game crashes a lot since season 4 started, it has crashed randomly before season 4 as well, but seems like its even more common now. The "new" type of crash my friend and i are seeing is where the world becomes invisible for a few seconds before the crash. 😦

[rocky rampart]

Been playing since S1. Awesome S4 drop Embark team ❤️ 🫡

[quick coyote]

Pike and cl40 need nerfs badly

[pseudo violet]

yes same and I'd never had a crash previously

[ripe herald]

yeah

[fast dust]

I have been lagging and running on 0 fps for 3 days now with finals I love the game but geez this is rough please fix this embark that would be nice and no it’s not my internet I checked and made sure please fix this

[mossy cape]

pike is clear indication they learned nothing from season 1 scar, that thing shreds at all ranges

[signal basin]

Here something I wanna point. It's about HP regen in this game. From different class's point of view.
I use Heavy regen in the 1st table and just make it proportional to the medium and light. Same in the 2 table with the Medium POV. Light POV in the third.

Everytime, Heavy should have longer time to regen and Light should have shorter time to regen

But, you will still two shot a Light if he can't regen anyway. So My point is, again, the gap between Heavy HP and Light HP is to important. **
If Light can have 200HP (2nd screenshot), you will still two shot them with a CL40 for example BUT he could survive a bit more. And I promise, even with 200HP the result in this Excel will be the same except from a Medium POV,** where the regen will be 7.2s instead of 7s for the Light.

So please Embark, do something for the Light class. You know they are not meta, under use and under power compare to the two other because of their lifespan. Maybe to give more HP is not the solution. Maybe it is. All I wanna say is, you can't properly balance a game with some much gap between HP class. Think about it.

EDIT : In the 2nd screenshot, Medium should have SHORTER time to regen from the LIGHT POV if they have 200HP instead of 150

[violet elbow]

pike is release state FCAR levels of bad and its really funny to me

[coarse jetty]

there should be a weak point on turrets. they should NOT be harder to kill than a medium lol

[carmine token]

Goo.
You block them off and forget they were ever there.
Can't do that to a Medium.

[tulip harbor]

right

[keen beacon]

oh my god you are right
i just remembered that

[ebon zephyr]

i kinda have the same problem but i cant connect to any games so im waiting for an update to see if that fixes it

[fading flame]

Stop nerfing light. It’s annoying but that’s because ttk is super short compared to when the game came out

[uneven dagger]

[zinc scaffold]

Every other class' utility and guns have been buffed to the point where light can barely keep up anymore, playing ranked you rarely see lights cause they almost have no point in existing when M and H can do the same thing but better

[quick coyote]

Love that embark decided to give medium a better LH1 and buff the cl to the point where the support class is putting out more DPS than the glass cannon 💀

[obsidian snow]

Also as others have pointed out, new medium and heavy weps are kinda over powered feeling, and the nerf to xp54 on light has made dealing with heavy's really annoying. Also why buff sword, sword was already great, didn't need a buff. ya'll did some weird stuff with balance this season :S. Medium GL is also pretty annoying now, nothin feels better(sarcasm) then having multiple enemies spam you with a low skill explosive weapon 😦 (And while we are at it, I guess, can ya'll do something about people who are blatantly using macros to fire the V9S as a fully automatic weapon, maybe make it a toggle in settings if you don't mind people doing that, or ban for it if ya do mind). Also both myself and my friend can't get shadowplay to consistently record, what the hell is going on there, every other game records flawlessly, just this one, and sometimes it seems fine, then randomly starts to lag, and sometimes crashes, or doesn't record at all. It's literally only this game we have problems with, and every other recording software we have tried sucks

[arctic kindle]

can sombody please help me??????? I try to punch the Visors for the MP but i havent the in game coins for it but i have it now. Can a admin take away it please?

[silver jewel]

i have a slight annoyance about the contract win 30 rounds that means any mode that has rounds in it like TA well Embark you need change that, because it's not 30 rounds it's 30 matches.

[mental hatch]

Nerf every gun with high damage per bullet, all this shit ruining the game. STOP LISTEN LOW SKILL PLAYERS THEY HAVE 0 GAMESENSE

[hollow rune]

I think it'd be cool if we could tie the little emote pictures to sounds when we use them. So it plays a sound and also does the little animation of whatever emote chosen

[mellow cape]

i got this graphics glitch 2 times last night.... can someone explain - https://www.twitch.tv/anarhistabg/clip/AbstruseFrozenMomSquadGoals-EUVn7mjWMo48AcA5 ? 😄

[wintry trout]

add more contestant slots
like all games, the true endgame is fashion

[spring spade]

add a noob tube

[quaint cobalt]

New spawns are terrible. How is that a team can spawn directly on a cashout whether its occupyed or not like tf ??

[hybrid oracle]

EMBARK!!! GIVE MEDIUM THE LH1 AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[quiet knot]

from all the Light hater, give us solo ranked mod please
Or ban Light idk..

[sacred sluice]

this game is cooked if leaver penalties arent added sooner in quick play

[signal basin]

You got the pike; it's more than enough

[echo radish]

CL-40 at start of the S3(Pink one) is best imo. It demands skill to actually 2 tap light and it doesn't act like close range no aim shotgun at this moment. also doing a decent damage to heavy and medium when you aim well. Without reverting Linear explosive patch and only changing damage, this gun will be just no aim no skill shotgun or pile of garbage, not solving any actual problem. JUST REVERT LINEAR EXPLOSIVE PATCH OR AT LEAST MAKE IT LIKE S3 STARTUP NEAR IMPACT AND LINEAR EXPLOSIVE AT THE END.

[wide void]

Please remember that despite everyone complaining about nerfs/buffs, it's okay to lower the skill floor on some weapons/abilities, even if you're not touching the skill ceiling. This includes e.g. making spray patterns easier, making x2 headshot damage weapons do x1.5 and adding some damage to compensate, and keeping low skill floor weapons like Sword relevant (even if not meta). Between all the players taking Adderall and every gamemode but Power Shift giving a sub-50% chance of winning (just by the nature of there being 3 or 4 teams), it can be hard to just enjoy playing the game as a newcomer or returner that doesn't hit every bullet.

@echo radish CL-40 has a low skill floor but is completely outclassed by Medium's hitscan options at higher skill levels, including the shotgun. Maybe you can argue for hightening the skill floor a little, but don't touch the damage. It's not as easy to hit as it looks, especially when people know how to juke or jump properly. It was absolutely worthless in S3.

[molten trail]

remove low gravity 🙂

[signal mirage]

Yoyoyoy

[lament depot]

you need to massively increase leaving penalties for ranked and unranked modes. the fact people can bail out of matches with little to no penalty is completely insane and its ruining the game
if you close the game to leave a match and then re open it if the match is still going it should skip the menu and load back into the match. there should literally be NO OPTION to leave the match. if someone manages to disconnect without reconnecting they should be banned from matchmaking from entire weeks at a time. ive had 5 fucking matches in a row where more than two of my teammates leave and its making the game actually fucking unplayable

if they detect you going inactive more than once automatically ban you for a week

[foggy kayak]

remove all of my teammates and replace them with bots, this game seems to attract people with sub par intelligence id rather have bots that can atleast do some damage and don't look lost and mentally challenged 🙂

[carmine token]

All that's gonna happen is people AFK at spawn, moving their mouse every two minutes while not actually playing to avoid bans. Or my favorite strategy, staying dead without respawning since the kick timer's not active during death.

[obsidian snow]

speaking of staying dead, can yall add a way to NOT auto accept a paddle res, its suuuuuper annoying having random players paddle res you in areas where enemies are just waiting for you to respawn, then youre stuck waiting for the timer all over again :S

[rustic sandal]

Embark - I think this patch is overall one of the best you have done minus one thing. The CL40 is absoultely rediculous now especially since you nerf everything to deal with it. go up agaisnt tripple M tripple turret all with CL-40 and is worse than when nukes were in the game. Something needs to happen here as its absolutley out of control and is only going to get worse because more and more people will run it because of the overpowered nature. you nerf RPG, nerf mesh shield - APS is useless now especially if its any more than a 1v1 because it is gone with literally 1 volley from more than 1 player and to put icing on the cake the CL-40 happens to be the best shotgun in the game because you dont even need to hit your target and even if they are literally inside you, you take no damage for spamming it at your feet - feel like the jump height is enough to make you take no damage if you shoot it directly down ffs - please never listen to anyone who says the CL-40 needs a buff ever again. Rework the gun so its not impact or tune down the damage radius + add self damage back into the weapon please. RPG takes double damage at close range but this thing gets nothing and its like going up against an infitite RPG minus it dropping you through floors.

[inland thistle]

I would love to see a slight rework on how Barricades work! Overall I think they’re great, but the placement requirements often make them hard to use in a pinch.

Would love it if a full barricade couldn’t fit into a space if only as many panels as needed spawned in or something similar. If the barricade was more able to fit itself into spaces rather than needing a fully cleared area I think it would be very beneficial!

[rigid dagger]

5v5v5 quick cash?

[lucid plume]

Xbox support mouse and keyboard? I play primarily on pc, but since you broke the game for pc, I have switched to console. Can you please support mouse and keyboard? Or I guess just fix PC optimization.

[echo radish]

I think self damage part is a bug or something weird happening. I encountered countless of times dying with enemy with my last shot.

[gleaming marsh]

the cl-40 CAN NOT be meta. it is fundamentally not good for the game that a weapon with all its destruction and chaos to have that much damage. it ruins the experience overall of the game when you can just turn off your brain, run around spamming a grenade launcher with no reprocaution and no counter play for most other players.
it should’ve been kept on the same level as the riot shield as it was. the splash damage change is so bad. please dont go down the road of overwatch: dumbing down the game. certain weapons need to have a higher skill ceiling, it creates diversity and seperate the good players from the bad ones. not every weapon has to be on the same level. prime example of this is the dedicated player base of the riot shield and dagger. you guys did it with the akm and the scar, those 2 weapons are as good as it comes, decent damage, a good recoil spread thats not hard nor easy to control.

the model is also fundamentally broken. a shotgun shouldnt deal that much damage at medium range. the spread needs to be adjusted to be wider.

the pike hipfire deals a little too much damage. a dmr that is that versatile in a class that is already doing so much doesnt feel right.

the xp54 sight adjustment feels terrible to use. the damage nerf is a bit harsh, personally i think 16 was the sweetspot, 18 was too much, 14 is a bit too little. 15 is also a sweet spot that i’d like to see for its damage, it encourages more aiming intensity, which raises the skill floor slightly, and ttk is also very fair.

the matter shotgun for light feels a bit out of place in the current meta, but it’s also a very fresh feeling weapon, not terrible by any mean.

the .50 akimbo is overall solid.

[clever owl]

I was thinking about a new specialization:
A flare that is launched and releases green smoke, after a while, the surrounding area of the flare is bombed, causing a lot of damage to structures and medium/low damage to the contestants.
It would fit the heavy build well but he already has 4 specializations

[jagged totem]

PLEASE FIX THE ISSUES WHERE MY GAME EITHER LAGS FOR 2 MINUTES OR CRASHES AFTER EVERY SINGLE MATCH LIKE ITS RIDICULOUS HAVING TO WAIT FOR 2+ MINUTES OR HAVING TO LOAD BACK INTO THE GAME. IVE TRIED UPGRADING RAM AND SSD AND NOTHING. I HAVE FRIENDS WITH CPUS WORSE THAN MINE AND THEIRS ARE RUNNING FINE SOMEHOW.

[topaz loom]

In our recent players tab please add color highlights to players that were on our team last match so we can add each other more easy instead of remembering their names :)

[earnest dagger]

how about when creating a new character you can copy from an existing? saves messing around setting all the weapons etc up.

[true heron]

If the skill floor is gonna be so low for medium, they can’t be the dominant class. Just make them the healer and get rid of this dps-Mercy thing we have.

[cerulean finch]

Anyone else feel the CL-40 seems a bit too strong at the moment for how easy it is to use. Like it literally out DPS’s the model at close range. Can’t even get around a wall/door/window because of the splash damage.

[ripe herald]

it is, only melees require less effort than it

[pseudo breach]

It is, yes. The CL-40 users are no skill players. And they cried so hard that the grenades go through teammates that they got it. They got self damaged reduced and whatnot. And the only counter for it was nerfed so hard that it's useless running the APS turret

[fast stirrup]

Dear Embark,

Thank you for a lovely Season 4! Been playing a ton of matches and wanted to share my thoughts.

New Guns feel great, though I think the Pike needs to be toned down since it feels a lot like the LH1 during CB2. I often get spammed out and killed in 3 shots as a light (which I guess is ok considering it's a Marksman Rifle) but the RoF or the Ammo needs to be Adjusted. Hipfire spread might also need another Passover since it's Ridiculously Tight.

CL40 is literally the bane of ranked and I genuinely feel cheated out of a few of my Matches by the absolutely disgusting Triple Med Meta. While I do believe the CL40 is in need of a nerf (as does most of the community), I personally think the Med as a whole needs to be addressed at some point due to it's overwhelmingly large pick rate and Nuisance with strategies like Triple Defib and Triple Heal Beam aka "Ouroboros". Killing 3 people 2 times over is a bit over the top. I feel like it should be at least observed in both competitive and casual play a little bit closer.

Lastly, I have a Minor Request since I love the Bow to Death. Add a Drawback Cancel with Reload Key Press, Please!

Thanks!

[quick coyote]

Pike is ridiculously strong, needs a nerf bad

[agile mauve]

is anyone having any INSANELY bad Frame Drop? it seems when people are leaving and joining mid match it is causing my play group all really bad frame loss

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @frail prawn @wraith orchid @cyan crane @lunar vault @river plover @tawdry tree Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[terse glen]

I've finally gotten time to jump back into the game. New season looks cool but man, I really was hoping that power shift would now count towards the deep pockets trophy 🫤

[scarlet knoll]

God damn that nade launcher is terrible

[peak moss]

We should get a revolver fanning shooting animation.

[rough herald]

pls give us an endorsment system like in overwatch
if you don't know what the thing is, its basically just token player can give to each other as a sign of gratitud or something along that line.

like a sharp shooter token to give for teammate thats really good
a drippy token for the best looking and the best dress
bestie token for people thats always there to support you

pls? 🙏

[quasi dagger]

Disable CL-40 please

[boreal anchor]

I also have high suspicion that is the case. Game slows down a lot at random intervals, in practice mode check the frames and you see frame drops every so often without any reason pointing at badly optimized code. Allthis started at 3.14.

[dense ocean]

day 21 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[echo radish]

THE PROBLEM OF CL-40 IS IT ACTS LIKE SHOTGUN WHEN IN CLOSE FIGHT COMBAT. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT MUCH AIM BECAUSE linear explosive rework embark did way back before season 3. THE PROBLEM IS THIS. IT WAS DOGSHIT IN S3 AND IT WAS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH DAMAGE EVEN WITH DIRECT HIT. AND NOW IT DEALS A LOT BECAUSE IT HAS HIGH DAMAGE WITHOUT DIRECT HIT. JUST REMOVE LINEAR EXPLOSIVE DAMAGE FROM THIS WEAPON AND GIVE PROPER BONUS FOR DIRECT HIT. IT DEALS 70~80 WHEN IT DOES 40~50 BEFORE S3 AND THIS IS AWKWARD. IT WILL NEVER MEET A GREAT SPOT IF LINEAR EXPLOSIVE REWORK NOT REMOVED FOR THIS GUN. IT WILL ALWAYS BE CHEAP SHOTGUN OR JUST UNDERPERFORMING GARBAGE. JUST REMOVE EXPLOSIVE LINEAR DAMAGE AND REVERT STEP-LIKE DAMAGE TO CL-40. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE ACTUAL CL-40 USER HAPPY, AND FOR EVERYONE ELSE. NOT REMOVING LINEAR EXPLOSIVE REWORK AND ONLY REDUCING DAMAGE OF CL-40 WON'T MAKE A CHANGE. WE ALREADY HAD THAT IN S3. JUST GIVE US PROPER DIRECT HIT BONUS LIKE BEFORE AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT.

[wraith orchid]

let us run with the dagger at all times pls

[keen abyss]

Love how everyone that plays this game just pretends the shit is balanced

[next pine]

I feel that heavys charge ability shouldnt be affected by low gravity

[dapper gale]

reduce the delay between the first and second throwing knife spawning so its easier to hit both of them or decrease the time to throw them again because right now they are useless compared to the other weapons let alone the other classes

[queen shale]

problem is right now i cant play a ranked match as the game wont load it but will load me into qc just fine. this season is having so many legitimate connection issues that its hard to tell whos leaving and whos dcing

[restive gate]

Bro, you've posted this seven times in like... eight hours 💀

[river plover]

who is everyone, I've never seen anyone say this game is balanced ever since CB1

[quick coyote]

Embark please add more daily challenges, 5 is to little, at least 10, thank you

[lament depot]

if you cant play the game without dcing maybe wait till they patch the game to try and play, all youre doing is ruining my matches and also your own.

[shadow monolith]

@DEVELOPERS

[trim saffron]

less hard changes: bring back cb1 slide (omnidirectional slide, no slide fatigue, slide accelerated your velocity), lower medium movement gadget cooldowns, speed up climbing/mantle animations by 1.1x, remove jumpsquat (the part where your character squats downward before lifting off into the air), make more movement client side, make jump carry momentum instead of slowly decelerate you after chaining it a few times. Lower dome shield cooldown by like 10-13%. Remove mesh shield usage cooldown (500 hp is enough of a nerf). Remove the weird ice physics the game has. More air braking and air strafe. In general things need to feel more snappy. Make guns and gadgets' design more oriented around archetypes, they need to fill roles differently (AKM and FCAR moment) that feel like they add something to the game while still complementing the sandbox element of the game. Remove the mine/c4/breach charge damage reduction when the explosive is unarmed, it removed some cool stuff like pocket sand tech and the cl40 mine stuff. Increase gravitational accel a tad. Make the flamethrower do more burn DoT than regular fire DoT. XP-54 range nerf, but make reload speed better. Increase head hurtbox bc hurtbox shifting makes it impossible to consistently hit heads. Make ost selectable, maybe make it an unlockable. GIVE LIGHT MORE UTILITY. balance the amount of gadgets and weapons across classes by adding actually interesting stuff to the game that has an impact on gameplay by a noticible amount.

more "reaching" changes: add a dive. maybe add some more on demand y axis burst movement potential by making the dive acessible in air up until the player has fallen x amount of meters (can dive in air up until 25% of the way down from the peak of the jump to the floor). Rework recoil system so instead of continously pulling the mouse up, it peaks and bobs at the top, making the recoil still hard to control without the cancerous constant pulling down.

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[bold silo]

DEVS/EMBARK

YOU SUCK AT MAKING THIS GAME COMPETITIVE, I GET MATCHED WITH 10K AND 16K ELO BEING 22K, AND GET OPPONENTS 28,27 AND 26K.

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE PLS

[analog hearth]

RPG and mines are just a joke now. need buff

[gritty garnet]

the last few matches ive been in world tour with new teammates who's below level 20s, while everyone else on the match (me included) is 60+

[merry steppe]

auto translation for different languages

[short wolf]

Hello there, I don't usually send feedbacks to game editors but I like this game and** I take no pleasure with this new season 4**. Here are my feedbacks :

• MEDIUM : like many pointed it out CL-40 is a nightmare, enemy using it in close range doesn't get hurt, there are explosions everywhere, i even tried to play with APS turret (it get destroyed in 2-3 shots)
• MEDIUM : why dematerializer requires 1 stack to open a floor but 3 to close it
• HEAVY : new akimbos sounds looks terrible for me (plastic weapon)
• HEAVY : why put a delay on shield specialization after activating / deactivating it ?
• LIGHT : SR-84's DPS is now too slow
• RANKED : where did 5v5 went ? It was much more fun and tactical to play than this old 3v3v3v3. And what was the point to grow in 5v5 elo to remove it after ? Please bring back 5v5 ranked
• RANKED : why are we losing ranked points when we are only 2 in the team (missing one random teamate)
• RANKED : sometimes too much difference with opponents elo
• RANKED : since season 3 it looks like you put an algorythm win/loose similar to League of Legends, that is really annoying
• AFK : less visible in this new season but too much afk players in previous seasons do you plan for penalities ?
• NEW MAP : there are too much dead-end road or need
• SINCE BEGINING OF THE GAME : Why do we spawn sometimes 200m away from points ? espacially when it's the end of the round and it can be our only chance to reach next phase if we get the point. Also why in final phase the point isn't centered (already spawn from 180m of the point, enemy arrived on it when we were at 80m) ?
• SERVER : I think that the netcode should be optimized (i have a good connection) i died multiple times after i went behind a wall
  Thanks for your consideration

[rough herald]

👆

[tired bough]

Daily reminder to fix fkn sword animation cancel, as everyone and their mom is abusing this bug since ages. FFS fix this shit, or disable the sword until it is fixed, my god

[pseudo breach]

How the fuck is aiming in this game so inconsistent? Will have 5 great matches where every shot lands perfectly, the next 10 matches absolutely NOTHING hits at all.

@tired bough Embark has a hardon for the light class. They won't fix it

[opal ocean]

Can we please remove Kyoto from the game until it's optimised for performance? It's genuinely unplayable when destruction is going on

[odd ibex]

If u think about it pike is just a better revolver on how it plays,devs should have added revolver with acog sights and added a fanning rifle

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad that’s sticks to enemies or walls. It’s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal Lol it’s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map
Give sonar back to medium

[young venture]

a direct hit with an rpg should do more damage

[gleaming gust]

the servers are the biggest issues at the moment in my opinion

[twilit sand]

fix the sword lunge. people are literally teleporting now

[atomic cave]

@Developers Please look into fixing TFGE0000 - I have not seen anyone mention anything about it except one embark person saying it sounds awful :D. Make sure to fix it in this update because I cannot play ranked or world tour at all and I get into 1 out of every 90 attempts in quick cash. It is kind of annoying to try all day to play my favorite game. I even installed 2 more games and I haven't touched them because I just want to play the finals.

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[shy parcel]

nerf defib

[gaunt sphinx]

proper treatment "light main"
MAN THIS GAME FEELS GOOD

[gaunt fossil]

[stray valley]

RS rollback and hwid or ip bans for cheaters

[fallen vapor]

yesyesyes embark pls

[gusty echo]

Nerf cl40, nerf pike, revert xp nerf.
Everyone were running xp cause everything else just weak. Whats point to be glass cannon if your cannon is a joke?

[torpid sky]

revert mesh shield
nerf pike
nerf model
nerf cl
remove glitch crutch i mean traps (it's not needed since you already added glitch barrels and we already have glitch nades)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267617269874430023/1290250623521914943/IMG_1300.png?ex=66fbc708&is=66fa7588&hm=8ec1ee1c8de9a9711da786928fed6cee0ec96619d6451c1d58dfda8ba70a18da&

[bright ledge]

literelly mid game rn

[hollow iron]

m11 still has crazy high dps (not to the point of it being op)

[sharp jasper]

How does Akimbo have way better hip fire then pike das crazy

[flint prawn]

Please add hud opacity slider to prevent oled burn-in.
Thank you

[upper citrus]

I like how everyone who said “just buff the rifles up to the same level as the model” is now realizing why that’s a terrible idea with the pike being added.

Believe it or not, breaking intended class limits will always negatively impact gameplay!

[pseudo breach]

Wtf... Defib does damage? 🤣🤣🤣 I didn't know this

[shy parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

[broken herald]

nerf model1887 and CL

[fallen vapor]

model 1887 is fine, def need to nerf CL though

[rugged temple]

Its the opposite

[dry tulip]

My 2 Cents for now..

The medium Grenadelauncher feels way too strong. It's really oppressive. You should atleast the remove the 0.65x dmg multiplier and set it back to 1,00x.

It doesn't make any sense that you would nerf the rocket launcher to the ground while it still has the higher dmg multiplier for the heavy when the Medium gets a 4x Grenadelauncher with explodes on impact (it's the RPG without the destruction) but better. The RPG seriously needs some adjustion. If you want it as a tool to destroy or change the enviroment thats fine. But you have to lower the cooldown of the rpg then and/or increase the amount of enviromental damage that it deals.

The Double Deagle probably needs a slight nerf. maybe also a small reduction of the headshot dmg multiplier. 1,7x instead of 2x

The Pike needs a serious nerf.. Either a stronger recoil, a damage nerf or a nerf of the firing rate.

Please add some harder penalties for ranked quitters and afkers. It's really annoying and discouraging. It also sucks that we still loose the normal amount of points when we're fighting a 2vs3vs3vs3....

reduce it to zero lost points or to 1/3. People shouldn't be punished for teammates which they can't choose and randomly get matched with.

The AKM nerf feels okay. The reduction from 36 shots to 32 feels managable. People simply get punished of sooner for missing their shots and thats okay. You still deal more than 600 damage or so per magazine and thats still enough to kill a heavy and a medium with a single magazine.

The Famas feels really nice and appears to be in a good spot. The scope makes it much more playable and you still get easily punished for missing your shots.

The Heavy M60 feels somewhat weak. The RedDot is the MVP but the damage is abysmal. I can unload 40 shots into an enemie and he still keeps running. not sure how that can be considered as "ok". It needs a slight buff.

[willow yoke]

Worst fucking devs in History of balancing
Just shot in general direction with damn Cl for easy kills
Cant believe how you can so be so fucking incompetent

[ionic saddle]

Again yall need to take melee weapons out of the game till you can fix the hit boxes. This game plays like chivalry with these terrible hitboxes

[celest berry]

Give us a skillfull Meta Back
Nade Spam
Cl
Shotguns
Meleeweapons IN A FPS
Are all low skill weapons the game doesnt reward you anymore for having good aim only pike and deags are currently kinda rewarding for having good aim all other guns are kinda bad compared to the low skill weapons

S2 was by far the best meta

[vivid socket]

Buff CL-40 now verus 3x CL-40s in a team in ranked gg even as a heaby

[visual spruce]

the game feels like now balance and i should tnx to the devs for these changes. i dont like to play as a heavy and i havent played as a heavy much but it feels like the mesh shield nerf is too much for heavies bcs i can easily down that one who is with a mesh shield ability so i think it should be buff again like less cooldown and i still cant understand why the akm got nerfed. i think akm need to buff again bcs that magazine nerf is not deserve for akm ig. as i m a medium build player the cl 40 feels like op, it should need a little nerf ig

[rose crater]

Medium grenade launcher does better damage at medium to close ranges with 20% of the aim required. Can kill any class with 1 mag. Impossible to win a fight when one has to stand still and aim and CL40 only has to jump around.
Decrease damage
Decrease damage spread so it requires you more to actually direct hit

[upper citrus]

Give the revolver back to light

[odd ibex]

New weapon idea💥(fanning revolver)
Get a medium range projectile based (small wall hole destruction) slug single action revolver for light that is one tap when u aim however close range (hipfire only)u can do a 3 tap trick for it to do a 3 round burst it look really cool u can see it in YouTube https://youtube.com/shorts/Cm3Hi4rw-rk?si=jJrYVQs28mfSnGWE

[rough herald]

embark, basically every single time i ask for cl40 buff
i epsifically add "on direct" to it

don't make my gun a noob cannon bro

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[cloud jungle]

Limit defib to one per team or put them on cooldown when revived, defib chains are so dumb

[woven compass]

OPTION TO REMOVE RED DOT: For the ones using external crosshair in the game; when using sight, red dot is blocking the middle of the crosshair. I want to be able to see enemies' head when they are far away. I think it should be a priority to add this option, and should be fairly easy.

[stray valley]

external crosshairs arent allowed

[thick cipher]

Embark, bro, PLEASE:

1. Fix a new RPG bug that makes it that the hit registers twice. I got one shot by the RPG once and on the kill dmg details it listed 2 rpg hits by the same dude
2. We wanted demat depth (which is here now, thanks) but not width. It's a huge drawback to open such a wide hole and it takes 3 charges to close 1 hole, it's very much not practical
3. Speed up the dagger wind up, it's too slow
4. Not being able to run while holding A KNIFE is crazy
5. Revert the dash cooldown nerf please, us daggers and sword enjoyers are too nerfed imo
6. Fix a season 3 bug that makes it that when a hole is made through the floor, visually the hole is created and you can see people doing their life underneath BUT you can't shoot through it, nor pass through it, nor send any grenades through it. Me I used a breach charge and this happened but in another match someone used a canister and it gave the same result
   The new scopes are really fun btw, thanks!

[ionic saddle]

Make a channel where we can post clips of people throwing matches abd hand out bans. You don't even have a option for it in the report menu.

[signal basin]

Light class isn't fun in your game. Buff light class HP. Weapons. DO SOMETHING FOR LIGHT FOR MAYBE ONE DAY THEY WILL BE META OR PLAYABLE

[prime raft]

fix the sxword bug duh duh

[visual spruce]

no need a model1887 nerf, but cl 40 for sure. why model1887??? its actually fine

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @thick cipher @frail prawn @wraith orchid @cyan crane @lunar vault @river plover @tawdry tree @quick coyote Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[polar shell]

EMBARK: So you know how in the hunger games they have gifts from 'benefactors' you shud have a game mode that does that each sponsor with unique personality, it shud even games out by making drop-packages that can potentially be rushed by other teams. Importantly ppl shud have no idea why sponsors favour them : Clothing worn? most sensor grenades turned into potplants? etc, etc.... ppl shud be guessing / Also pls add console-only to the crossplay options. Much love / aXL

[plush fjord]

I will leave this server for I am finally tired of this game:
S4 lacked any new specializations and gadgets.
S4 lacked a unique new map, Fortune Stadium just had elements of skyway with literally re-used assets from seoul.
S4 Battle Pass is a bit alright, except the custom ospuze spray and that skin thats shown on the preview (one holding the deagles)
S4 hasnt seen any new voice lines for Scotty&June
S4 hasnt seen any new sponsors

The main highlights of this season are three new weapons like before, two or three new optics and scopes, and three new tiny sponsor careers. Literally last for 4 pages. All this shouldnt have taken so much that they forgot so much that they shouldve added

[cyan crane]

You can stop pinging me now, the same text 20 times with my ping in it won't change a thing

[red echo]

announcing you're leaving is mad

[fair bough]

The WW2 PTSD meta goes hard ngl

[worn horizon]

i do think deagle is perfectly fine and porbably A tier they are not as good against lights up close for example

[potent oasis]

PLEASE STOP PLAYING PIKE FOR SAKE OF THE GAME.
Sweating my a** off with AK just for some unskilled guy to stand on top of the building half game and headshot me with 2 hits, died like 5 times to him. Made it to final round somehow, just to have 3 M healing pikes. WE GOT OBLITERATED. 3 hits and you're dead if you play M. This gun just killed all fun for me for season 4. Thanks a lot embark, and thanks a lot braindead players who play it. I never play OP weapons because sake of the game and for my own sanity. It is just toxic to do it. Whoever is reading this and plays pike, you're probably horrendeous player and i wish you all the worst in the finals. You're exact reason why is finals losing player base. Embark, i am tired of this 1 hit KO weapons.
Playing since beta and man Embark you're doing same all over again with 1 Hit KO weapons. Gets out, nerfs, then they buff or replace it with some other weapon. And all in a circle. Losing my patience.
Just to add, i am always around emerald/platinum 1,2 since season 1, playing couple hours every day. Sometimes i wish to come home from work and have a good time, but with season 4 that is not possible anymore.
And don't get me going on CL40 and other things... Just fix the game! Is it so hard?

[sleek marsh]

Overall a pretty good Season, map is awesome as well as sponsorships, BP, performance and especially weapon sights(I played about 50h of S4)

Cons:
-horrible balancing, especially CL40 kinda destroys the game, while many weapons are unusable like SH, XP or M60
-new weapons are again a huge disappointment but deagles(ppl are kinda sick of niche weapons every season, give us some full auto ones, that are played by at least 80% of ppl regularly I would say)
-SoloQ is still kinda frustrating cuz of an absurd amount of Afk and toxic mates, reputation and honor system are needed as well as a ranked solo Playlist like in ANY other game. Especially racism and sexism is a huge problem in this community as I recognize ingame not in this server, I can't understand how this is tolerated by the Report System
-no advertisements for Engimo and Isuelt which make them less popular overall, I just picked Isuelt for rewards, not cuz I like the sponsor, Holtow feels the most like a real sponsor that offers sth

[torpid sky]

nerf pike
nerf cl
nerf model
remove glitch trap
revert mesh nerf
buff dash
revert xp dmg nerf and nerf the range instead
nerf crutch n slam (it's been 4 seasons embark)

[signal basin]

Just do something for the Light class to be winning ? playable ? Stop being instant kill by everything ?

[modern echo]

Hi! Been playing since closed beta. Passed 400 hours in the game, was Diamond 2 in Season 2.
I feel like I have a fair amount of gametime and knowledge to let my opinion be known.

I will keep it short. The new DMR (Pike) for medium is ruining the game.
On long distance, it kills me as a heavy in like 1.5 - 2.0 seconds.
On short distances, it beats me emptying a Lewis gun on a medium.

There is literally no fun in trying to play at the moment. All I meet is people playing with the Pike and CL40.
It's not because they are fun to play with, but because they are easy to get kills with, and win you games.

CL40 also needs a nerf, like the close up self damage.

But the pike, there needs to be huge changes to this, or me and my friend group will try something else to play.

[upper citrus]

^^ nerf the rpm and hipfire of the pike please. It is wayyyy too strong up close. This won’t really affect its long range performance considering you already have to pace your shots from range

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[coarse jetty]

i just got 282 fans from winning a ranked match 😭 😭 😭 and i got 400 for losing in the first round before that embark PLEASE make fans actually tied to your performance in a game

[twilit sand]

nerf cl40. low skill weapons should be weak!!!

[wraith orchid]

let us run with the dagger at al times

[mild gull]

they probably overtuned the new weapons so they actually remain good when nerfed, and also so we dont have another 93r situation
i think the only new weapon in a good place now is the m26 matter

[graceful hollow]

NERF CL40 I CANT PLAY THIS GAME ANY MORE

[rough herald]

nerf cl40 damage and reduse it splash range and give it a bonus damage on direct instead

[terse slate]

Pros for this season start:

• Game feels a lot smoother now with shield and healing beam specialization nerfed
• The scopes are a wonderful addon so that e.g. Famas is back in the game again
• New weapons are looking really cool and feel relatively good to use
  Cons for this season start:

• Some weapons "laser" people to death now.. Headshots with Akimbo or Pike in general for example. ( HS Multiplier for akimbo should be a bit lower, Pike needs a lot more spreading in close combat. Its meant for mid and long range and its being used for close combat fights. Hipfire should not be predictable while moving. )
• CL40 has its dmg buffed which was the correct way to get it back into the game but theres no risk to the reward. Self Damage should be a lot higher. Shooting at your own feet is not what this weapons playstyle should be.
• Flamethrower and Heavy GL seem totally out of place this season. Please rework them.
• Defib Chains are still a thing.. If you are being revived with defib you should have cooldown on your own defib ( 10-15 seconds ), this would shake up the MMM playstyle a lot

[potent oasis]

I like akimbos and i think shotgun on light is quite alright. But man pike and cl40 is too frustraiting. They don't know how to balance it out correctly...

[elder kettle]

Please add an option to choose music in menu. I love Still Alive track from 1st season, frequently listening it on yt, and would love it to stay in menu

[gritty thistle]

👍

[signal basin]

BTW, beside the fact you don't wanna do something nice on Light to be meta and a bit more powerfull, I'm still crashing every day

[red echo]

bro you actually delulu af xd

[spark shard]

Day 1/100: Change matchmaking for solo players.

I'm very pleased with all the changes you've brought this season, thank you!

However, the matchmaking has been broken since Season 2. In Season 3, I didn't play much ranked because it was TA, and I detest that game mode. I thought that during that season, meaning Season 3, you were working on the matchmaking to have something decent for Season 4, but I see that this issue continues from Season 2.

My matchups make no sense, neither in terms of rank nor in terms of the dedication to the game, which is evident when I compare my number of kills and revives with those of my teammates. And when I look at the other teams, they are with the people who should be matched with me, but instead, I'm playing against them.

I'm saying all this from the perspective of someone who plays solo, without a team. When can we expect improvements in matchmaking for solo players? Seriously, we've been like this since Season 2, it's very frustrating.

Note: I've even had people on my team who said in chat that they were playing ranked for "fun" in the sense of playing "quick play." This is a bad joke.

[strange ermine]

Imo, they should convert the Flamethrower into a mid-range weapon. So, hear me out, right: Massively tighten the AoE, increase the range to like 25-35m, increase the mag size to 50, and reduce the damage per tick to 20 or less. Now you've got a team support weapon that fits within its own niche, suppressing enemies from range but not being a raw DPS weapon like the 2 machine guns. Military flamethrowers have a good bit of range to them, so there's real world precedent for these changes. I can't see why they wouldn't lean into that and let the Flamethrower have it's own spot instead of trying to compete with the 1216, Spear, and Sledgehammer.

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[full dragon]

Overall, Season 4 is fun.

Balance feedback:

• CL-40 is too strong.
• AKM nerf feels unnecessary.
• 93R still feels weak.
• Data Reshaper is good.
• Turret seems like the best Medium specialization and I see it used way more this season in Asia (now that Healing Beam is nerfed).
• Akimbos are strong.
• Frag is strong.

Other feedback:

• Signing a Sponsorship should feel more dramatic. I think there are a lot of areas in Sponsorships where SFX could be added.

[pallid wharf]

3M CL-40 wtf

[proper crescent]

It's .3 m

[umbral pebble]

Another day of asking why you haven’t posted the season intro to YouTube yet

[late raft]

Seconding this. Solo queue has been ass this season I played my first ranked game with a light with only 17 eliminations on their account total when I have over 5,000 on mine. Imo ppl with under 200 eliminations shouldn’t even be allowed to play ranked

[spark shard]

999999999999999999999999% agree. We need "some minimum requirements" to ensure there are skilled players in ranked matches.

[signal basin]

LIGHT IS TOO WEAK

[upper citrus]

The RPM nerf for the cl-40 that was stated in the patch notes never actually made it into the game. This is likely why people are having such an issue with the weapon

@wraith orchid it’s not really op. Even now. It’s just obnoxious

[wraith orchid]

DEFINITELY not just bc of that xd

[willow yoke]

do what he said.
Hope the AI listens. Not possible that real humans are doing the balancing in finals.

[naive fulcrum]

Dash doesn't need a buff that's just a skissue, everything else tho looks good

I have played and won hundreds of matches as light, dash is a skissue if you think it should be buffed, I have my dash maxxed and it's fine, it's a very strong specialization

[worn horizon]

why is getting xp from lvl 1 to the actual level still a thing since season 3? please embark fix this to see the actual xp gain per match

[copper idol]

Buff dash?! Nawww I play ligth dash too....

[lilac coral]

The match making across all game
Modes is bad then there’s the lag spikes that keep randomly happing and no it’s not my internet it’s the finals the lobbies are lil broken it’s stopped me from playing the new season

[torpid sky]

that's coming from a medium main who can't track dash, literal skillissue bronzi
@copper idol same goes to u

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @thick cipher @frail prawn @wraith orchid @cyan crane @lunar vault @river plover @tawdry tree Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[languid breach]

I love this game but why do I only lag in ranked it’s ridiculous. I can play any other game mode or game fine but every time I que into ranked my frames drop and I can’t do 💩 .
It’s beyond frustrating and disappointing. I might uninstall if it keeps up throughout the whole season.

[coral axle]

reduce the recoil shake for the .357, like for the r93 beacause pike is taking over the short, medium and long range fighting

[hard river]

everybody is crying about CL-40 but medium is still weak, heavy is nerfed as fck, Light still op, but everybody is blamind CL-40 while medium was weak until season 4 from season 2. In this discord everybody is crying especially Light characters, what is my opinion... Shootgun has op damage from long range, but no one is crying about that. this whole DC game feedback is a huge crying channel. This game still badly balanced. Not like in season 3, developers tried to make is more balanced we can see it on the new map which is mixed nothing new just a mix which is a joke ngl, i hate that, especially when the cashout is on middle of the nowhere which means it's unable to steal that, such a shame... Respawn still terrible since beginning... Ranked still terrible.... This game is much more enjoyable than previous season but still crap, The more i play i just hate is even more game by game...

That is my opinion: Don't put everything in it if you can't control anything, so many cheaters are playing i got the feedback day by day after my reports, so this is the result of the game development.

[quiet depot]

SR-84 not being hitscan feels bad 😕 -- If they felt it was too annoying to play against, I'd rather they increase the time between shots or reduce the damage

[mortal notch]

id rather watch paint dry than play model/pike/dogwalking meta

[rapid stream]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[smoky basin]

Pls add an option that allow us to choose with who do matchmaking like if I’m on PS5 a can chose Xbox , PC or both

[nimble kiln]

this is the worst take, message of all time🔥🔥

[crisp bobcat]

lololol acting like trip med isnt meta rn

[deep summit]

This S4 ranked is more luck based compared to S3 TA which was more skill based :/
You can easily get griefed as there are 3 other teams, with no streamer mode, they will recognize your name and grief <3 amazing thoughtful game design devs

[proper crescent]

If light is so OP why does no one play then in ranked?

[upper citrus]

This shit is ass 🔥

[meager glade]

medium was weak until season 4 from season 2

Really? healing beam, defib, FCAR balance, its all about "weak" and that's why medium prob has the highest % of winning?

[violet elbow]

thats just wrong and means you have bad macro

[echo radish]

I MADE A GIANT WALL OF TEXT WHY CL-40 IS PAIN IN THE ASS WITH DETAILED GRAPHS ANYONE WANNA SEE? https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/ASHeZbXpe4

[worldly scaffold]

^Light player, Get gud, I see people destroy 30-0 in PS with Light, class is fine. Anyway, can't get into matches atm, connection timeouts every time... Was fine yesterday.

[manic lagoon]

Nerfs RPG so Heavy is more prone to killing himself when shooting close range and not one shotting Lights ........ Buffs Grenade Launcher to spam the same thing without even able that Medium kills themselves accidentally

[viscid spade]

nerf cl-40
buff anticheat
nerf the big heavy with charge
buff winch claw with slightly more range
buff goo gun
nerf SA-1216
nerf LH1
nerf turret

[tropic coral]

Another day of messaging embark!!

Pls add crossplay with console only for ranked mainly. We’re queuing for average 10/20 without crossplay. That’s horrible

[abstract wolf]

after the update i got so manny lag in XBOX, and the building is overreactly destroyed. how does this make sense? i throw 1 explosive cannister to the wall and entire building fall off, it's make the lag so hard

[bright nexus]

Try queueing at a different time or using vpn for more populated region

[languid remnant]

where to report if there is a map glitch?

[next rock]

just play crossplay on lmao

[warm mauve]

Leave the CL40 alone. It’s finally a viable weapon once again.

[iron sleet]

game is grenade launcher only atm

[novel stream]

HOLY SHIT IM BACK IN THIS FUCKING CHANNAL WITH THIS STUPID MAPS AND COMBOS WHAT THE FUCK IT THE CL-40 DOING IN EVERY GAME WITH FUCKING SWORD LIGHTS I CANT PLAY THIS SHIT GAME I GO FROM GOLD ONE TO FUCKING BROZE IN ONE GAME ONE FUCKING GAME LIKE AT THIS POINT IF YOUR NOT GONNA LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE ASKING FOR TO NEAF STUFF WHILE YOU SHITY BALANCEING TEAM NEAFING MESH AND HEALING BEAM BIT BUFFING CL ARE YOU GUYS SPED LIKE AT THIS POINT DELETE THE GAME AND THESE MAPS WHY IF WHEN I JUMP AS A LIGHT THE BULIDING IM ON JUST BREAKS LIKE LAST SESON WAS BETTER THEN THIS AND YOU GUYS MADE KYOTO THAT SESON THIS NEW MAP IS SO FRAGILE LIKE I FR WANT TO JUST JUMP OF THE MAP WHEN WE GET THIS MAP

[lone thicket]

FIX THE GAME CRASHING HOLY HELL

[split mason]

Buff healing beam it’s so shit can’t even heal a full medium like wtf is that. Also buff the akimbo pistols for heavy so that they do some more damage and the reload speed needs to be better, last thing, nerf the stupid dash on lights for instead of having 3, they should have only 2 like it’s so broken man!!

[uneven dagger]

[torpid sky]

^casual player who never played cashout ranked or even WT
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1182536896723812422/1189772610939125820/togif.gif

[crystal storm]

fix the CL40 already, stop waiting around while the game rots

[river plover]

You'd be surprised how much the long cooldown sets it back. Lights way of dealing with incoming fire is to evade it, since yknow, they die in like 4 bullets. Dash fits the hit and run playstyle of the light and should not be nerfed (especially since it can be counted by simply aiming well)

[upper citrus]

Yes light is very good in casual lobbies and against casual players. Light SUCKS in high elo and against good players. All of lights survivability hinges on the enemy making repeated mistakes. If you actually think light is good, you need to get good. Light player or not.

[lament mango]

• remove the CL. It's either dogshit or toxic - it can't be in a healthy state
• remove dogwalking, nobody needs a mercy in an FPS like that
• nerf Charge n Slam
• fix the map rotation - it's 90% old or new seoul

[short wolf]

Additionnaly please ban ffs people with anti afk tool

[vagrant rune]

Lights got rpg nerfed. Now they want cl40 and model nerf even turrets but it's completely fine with throwing knife/sword boost which is almost impossible to escape from. All their weapons have no recoil so just spam it and dash around.

[tacit patrol]

I think everything is looking pretty good so far :)

Still have to get used to ranked again and heavy is harder to use while being shot at more. But so far so good 👍🏻

Hope the shop has some cool drops coming in and the performance gets a lil better in high stress points!

[copper lark]

Streamer mode plz

[signal basin]

WTF did I just read ?

[vale lava]

Hi,

I wanted to ask if anyone knows how to resolve the error code TFGE0003 that occurs when trying to join a match in the game.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[autumn warren]

The turret is impossible to balance it seems so I have a suggestion to make it better. Make it an equipment. Half the health and half the damage leave the range as is, half the time it takes to recharge. Once you have that missing ability add a mountable turret like a minigun or maybe a browning .50cal. Make it hit like a brick but be weak to grenades and stuff, maybe even a breakable sheild on the front too. Would allow mediums who don’t want to heal and don’t want to flank actually able to provide to the team effectively. Because as is the turret is too weak to be a reasonable choice for the team, and if it’s buffed anymore it’ll be overpowered. So replace it but leave it in the game in a different way.

[polar shell]

WT full of cheaters atm OMFG

[dark spade]

Would be sweet if there were multiple sticker slots on each gun. If anyone agrees, react to this post so hopefully the devs see. I want to be able to flex all the diamon/emerald stickers from each season.

[proper chasm]

Please nerf the Cl-40 and Pike
after all the hate the LH1 got it's genuinely baffling that another one has been added

The CL 40 needed a damage buff but 114 is far far too high it literally takes no skill to point at the floor and do around 90 to 100 damage to a player

The rocket launcher needed a nerf but the 12 second cool down makes it kinda pointless.

The FCAR is still a nearly pointless weapon to use above the AK as seasoned players know how to control the AK's recoil and it's higher fire rate gives it a much more useable DPS compared to the FCAR, either up the FCAR's fire rate or give it a little bit more damage, not a lot just a little bit.

And with the addition of the sights this is bringing a whole new round of "Why aren't the bullets going where the sight is aiming" it genuinely feels like this stupid system where the gun sight bounces around but the bullets still come out of the centre of the screen is only being kept out of sheer stubbornness as every time a gun's visual recoil is reduced or had it's time to rest reduced that gun has become more useable.
There are 2 fixes for this;

1. Make the time to reset for the recoil animation match the fire rate of the gun this way the spray-control pattern is kept and people that use onscreen crosshairs don't have such a massive advantage over people that don't (People will use them. they are built into fucking monitors)

2. Make the bullets come out where the gun's sight is pointing. This keeps the recoil animations the same but actually makes the sights, holo and iron useable after the first 3 shots. Downside to this is it would kinda make learning spray-control pointless.

[quick coyote]

plsease make the game balanced again. every season is the same joke where everything gets nerfed (way to much) and the new wheapons are OP the dual guns are acurate across long distance the new marksman rifle has way to high firerate/damage and for the light the old shotgun was already powerfull enough. the mesh shield is now so bad that almost noone uses it anymore grenade launchers are still being abused while aps is also so worthless you might as well not equip it, also really miss the 40 bullet ak and think one explosive mine should be enough to blow a wall since now you only get one. cudos to the scopes and the rework of the m60 tho thats actually nice

[shy parcel]

Only when you stop cheating

[novel stream]

To be honest like so many of my friends are quitting because the devs are tuning their game into shit like the game is so bad because of the cheating maps and devs please think devs

[lyric frost]

Pike and CL-40 makes this game barely playable in any gamemode.

[thorny parcel]

One mine exploding walls sounds dope. Add that please devs.

[graceful snow]

nerf cl40 and pike, or at least add a need for skill to master them AND PLS FIX THIS BUGGING L DASH BS. they re player models are strechy as hell when dashing

[main beacon]

bots are now using cl40 like a shotgun that takes no skill to aim

[carmine token]

Griefing streamers is a form of public service and should be applauded.

[odd ibex]

Everyone here agrees and more @thick cipher @frail prawn @wraith orchid @cyan crane @lunar vault @river plover @tawdry tree Dagger quality of life improvents

-Option to BOTH single tap backstabs like before and also hold/prime stab
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the strange wind in ur ear AUDIO when u charge the dagger secondary cause it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.

there isn’t an accurate visual or audio cue that backstab is ready while holding,ADD a glint to the tip of the dagger blade and a ting sound to show its ready.

U can BOTH single click and hold throwing knife secondary attack but u can’t with dagger stab,plz fix it!!!!

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

[crystal storm]

only thing more smooth brained than cl40 is using CL40 and shooting your explo mines, man you devs can't have had play tested anything

[mild wave]

Please show each sponsor's emotes. I could have chosen Iseult and regretted not getting the Holtow emote because they didnt show them in the preview

[keen lily]

fix the matchmaking, especially in solo queue if I have almost 900 hours in the game I don't want to be matched with new players in the team

[next rock]

If you know how the play light it's still viable. Being able to move money with gateways and then have two forms of stall in terms of breach charges and stun honestly means you can at minimum qualify for finals so easily without actually killing

[shell raven]

how is the turret "impossible" to balance? it has very clear counters with being suceptible to glitch, vulnerable to nades, just being shot at, being gooed off, etc. but the tradeoff for these weaknesses is additional dps in close quarters, the ability to watch over an additional line of sight/area, and help damage people who are using shields to block your gunfire

[brave dagger]

Loving this season 😎. Allot of console players would love MnK support to be introduced. One way it could be introduced without having to develop input based matchmaking is by forcing on crossplay when using MnK on console.

[torpid sky]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1182536896723812422/1189772610939125820/togif.gif

[copper lark]

not you too benis 😢

[upper citrus]

Yep until you get into a lobby with any good players. Macro is only easy when you’re the only team who knows how to do it.

[warm nacelle]

They need to put kill cam in the game. for sure

[indigo dock]

Rewards pls you sons of hoes

[young turtle]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHY AM I GETTING DISCONNECTED EVERY TIME I PLAY?! I HAVE STABLE CONNECTION, LIKE WTF IS THIS?!

[obsidian grail]

Can we nuke this channel?

[autumn warren]

I’m just saying right now it kinda sucks and I feel if they added more damage it would become overpowered quickly. They’ve been trying to balance it for 4 seasons and it’s always either been useless or overpowered completely. It’s damage and range go up and down like a roller coaster, so I say an easy solution for this likely annoying song and dance embark has been forced to do with this gadget could be avoided by changing the meta on the item entirely

[blazing haven]

https://tenor.com/view/how-you-felt-how-they-felt-devil-dog-dog-mask-dog-in-mask-gif-23467335

[surreal meadow]

im gonna say it...

im happy the CL40 is strong

@worldly scaffold its almost as if the HP is the core issue. The HP is low so DPS is high, embark designed hitbox obscurment to help it in high elo. almost as if hitbox obscurment + high DPS pisses off low elo players / 150HP lowest in game pisses off high elo players. it JUST MIGHT BE the HP value being the core balancing issue*, that needs to be changed

[sharp lily]

This is probably the least fun I have had with this game so far, ranked literally isn't fun because there is alwayas a team with two cl-40s or two of the stupid dumbass pike. Not fun whatsoever, please figure out how balancing works cuz this shit is so far beyond dumb. Don't even get me started on how I can still die to the model from across the entire map or how charge and slam can do 3/4 of my health in 2 hits without any skill involved. Figure something out its just insane.

[somber axle]

Same here but it always happens when it load Sys$Horizon

[worldly scaffold]

I know people say L sucks at ranked, and I can deal with Lights myself, I don't need to get good. Also, to the other reply, yes, never played tournament, but I wouldn't call myself entirely casual with 1,7k+ matches behind my back, but I play casual game modes. Mostly due to solo queue. My point is (and it was confirmed in S3, player numbers went to lowest with heavy L buffs, I took my first break from game too) you can't buff Light more, since you destroy casual play, that is it. Ranked is much lower player base, if you go by Steam achievements. The devs told Light is most played, but they have least wins, so is it too weak? No, the class design is too much lonewolf oriented. What Light needs, is more interaction/synergy with team mates (portal was good start, but requires heavy coordination), you don't need more damage, you have it already alongside mobility, that is my take on it. Also CNS still at work, can't get into matches right now :/ Also, would love to see more maps for PS, no new map or LV (if possible) variants yet.

[crisp heart]

embark since you already used the keltec plr to make the eclipse shade skin, could we get a skin that uses the pistol configuration (entirely cosmetic ofc) pls 🥺

[paper oak]

the revolver needs buffs.

[wraith orchid]

let us run with the dagger at all times embark. i understand that casual players get anoyed by the weapon, but i do not get matched with casual players at all bc of my hidden mmr.

[quick coyote]

Please nerf pike’s damage, cl40 was over-buffed, and nerf model’s pellet spread.
Medium was in a great spot in S3, now it can do more DPS than the light class.

After some reasonable nerfs to these weapons, the game will be the most balanced yet.

However, the FCAR could still use some love to differentiate it from the AKM. The idea of reworking the 93R into an automatic for light would also possibly put it on the map.

Also, we need more map variants for SysHorizon and fortune stadium.

[long flame]

Reduce Prices for Weapons, specialisations and gadgets of previous seasons for new Players. Might be silly but my friend got so frustrated and stopped playing because its so grindy to get the in game currency.

[fiery echo]

true

[harsh torrent]

Cl40 does shit ton of dmg and it should not get shit ton of dmg, pls nerf it like before it got shit ton of damage, i miss sl40 without shit ton of dmg…

[signal basin]

Light are trash 👏🏻
Light are weak 👏🏻
Light die is a second 👏🏻
But Light get nerf 👏🏻
Light got a boring new weapon 👏🏻

WELL LIGHT ARE NOT FUN AND UNBALANCE 👏🏻

[worn horizon]

light actually got a super fun to use weapon that allows for alot of movement

[dusky tree]

Bro the new shotgun goes crazy, 2 shots mediums. It’s a different playstyle for sure but it is so good

[mellow narwhal]

nerf pike nerf cl and fix sword blinks pls

[crystal storm]

anyone defending CL40 is actively supporting the slow death of the game

[hoary vale]

make the only weapon grenade launcher and call it a day : )

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[brittle obsidian]

updates been out for 4 days, relax. the game survived the nightmare that was season 3.

[fossil comet]

How do you get a custom image icon on Xbox???

[spice charm]

I'm not sure how many others this has affected, but I've noticed significant frame dips since the last couple updates. Is there a performance patch in the pipeline?

[terse slate]

Amount of cheaters has risen now in WT Europe... wonderful.

[upbeat urchin]

Imagine they would have just added 1 or 2 bullets instead of buffing damage, crazy idea right?

[next rock]

too sweaty for me

[tired fable]

It was my idea before S4. +1 ammo could have been a wiser balance without be frustrating to fight imo, but if Embark want to keep 4ammo i think we should go to 105dmg/ammo

[civic orchid]

my compliments to the developers for having done worse than last season, starting from having turned an fps game into a game where no one shoots anymore but everyone uses the grenade launcher, the few who shoot use an enhanced lh1 or the pike because the developers are some great geniuses first nerf the lh1 because it is too strong, then they give the medium an enhanced version of the lh1, then we want to talk about how broken it is to be able to give melee with weak weapons like the sword, which from L makes you a dash on you and at the same time it pisses you off and you die without being able to do anything, then let's talk about the rank scoring system, crap doesn't count for anything, you can play your best game and lose because of your teammate who gets 0 kills but you and him you will lose the same points, that's disgusting, I didn't think you could do worse but I changed my mind every season you are not able to give a balance to classes and weapons but in fact you do the exact opposite, do yourself a favor, hire fps experts and get some advice on how to give a real balance to the game because in a year of work you haven't been able to do it but rather you have only and always done worse and the new weapons you have inserted demonstrate it, the buffs you have given it they demonstrate, this season this meta is total crap, it really makes you want to play, a total disappointment, who knows if you will read this message but in any case, see your developers again who will give you ideas on buffs and nerfs because so far you have done a terrible job .

[quick coyote]

Quick cash slander will not be tolerated! I honestly never play ranked, I enjoy quick cash and power shift a lot more.

[spark shard]

Losing about 1500 or more because of these kinds of things.

[shell raven]

give light a one-shot grenade launcher, give medium a spas-12, give heavy a g36, add skins to gun sights

[torpid sky]

enjoy them as much as u want but don't come give shitty feedback on how light are strong there in casual

[gritty thistle]

I´m not much of a ranked or WT player. I do like to play WT sometimes. BI and PS are most fun modes but I could use a new casual game mode. Here is my idea for a Domination style game mode 🙂

[carmine token]

Here's a question for everyone to toss ideas at:
What can be done to encourage more people to play Medium and Heavy?
Two things were made clear by the devs in their Cashout balancing blogpost:

1. Lights have the lowest win rate in ranked modes. Many of the balance changes were made to address this specifically, with the Mesh, Healing Beam, RPG and Explosive Mine nerfs being probably the most direct attempts to better improve Light's standing against Mediums and Heavies.
2. Lights are the most popular class, with Heavies being the least popular. Despite calling this out and wanting to fix this, the devs don't seem to have any real plans to change this, for now.
   The biggest thing they've done for these classes are the new weapons - the Pike and the Deagles.
   However, it's obvious that the Pike, the Deagles, the Model and the CL-40 are all going to get nerfed soon, considering the insane amount of complaints they're getting. So if anyone did pick up Medium or Heavy to try the new weapons, or the CL-40 post-recent buff, they might switch back depending on the severity of the nerf, so I doubt this'll do much for how many players actually play these classes.

So considering the fact that the inevitable balancing changes to make Light more "viable" in ranked play might make the balance of how many people pick each class even worse, what can actually be done to make more people play Medium and Heavy?
And no, "give them more weapons, specializations and gadgets" is not really an answer, considering that's only happening mid-December.

[tawny imp]

remove the cl-40 buff, make it more fair on light players. make the light shotgun (m26) shoot faster like the heavies SA1216 - it makes it more viable. increse light damabge or health to make it more fair in team fights when fighting multiple heavies or lights

[tribal lichen]

i love cl-40, pls buff it more

[last mirage]

half of heavys weapons are short-ranged, this problem isn't just for flame throwers because closing the distance is what made it hard playing melee. The rpg used to help short ranged players close the gap without getting killed by the players they are damaging. give heavy a gadget that just focuses on pick damage from medium range like 10-15m. like a pistol with 8 shots, with a limited amount of bullets like the tracking dart, that does 65% of mediums 250 hp.

[oak kernel]

Can the red dot sights be made brighter? they're so hard to see

[surreal meadow]

**EMBARK!!

DROP 5v5 CASH

AND MY WALLET IS YOURS!!! Day 24/100 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥**

[graceful snow]

IT IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE TO HIT LIGHTS SINCE S4. When they dash around you with their stupid ass sword their player models become stretchy/buggy ashell so you don´t know where they actually are. This is incredible frustrating

[dusty igloo]

Nerf CL-40 for the love of god, shit should not deal so much damage with such little skill required

[atomic drum]

Just dodge

[rugged prawn]

Lights: Noo, we need buf, other classes are tu stronge 😭
Mediums: Noo, we need buf, lits and hevys are tu stronge 😢
Fats: Nah, I'm fine 🚬

[signal basin]

For Embark. Who forget their is a third class call Light in their game.

[stuck bobcat]

remove beards, they give too much skill

[brittle obsidian]

light needs its specials reworked to not rely on your opponents being cardboard 4 in order to work properly.

[regal salmon]

I think the game has been slowly ruined by constantly pandering towards Lights.

No matter how much you gut Mediums and Heavies, you will not fix the fact that Lights win less.

Because this is a team game. But every FPS has a sizable population of ADHD idiots who cannot comprehend teamwork. And they'll always be attracted to Lights simply because they move faster. No amount of patches will make them play the objective. BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO.

All you can do (and seem to be doing) is to make team play so unrewarding and painful for everyone else, that NOBODY plays the objective, and the entire game loses its soul and becomes a TDM clusterf***. Only THEN will Lights finally win at a high rate.

But at the expense of making everyone else utterly miserable. Because you've intentionally dumbed the complexity of the game into oblivion, because the lowest common denominator found winning too mentally taxing.

[timid pagoda]

Developers,I found someone selling championships points farming service in TaoBao,And I heard that you have been cracking down on this behavior recently,If you need my help to get their ID, I can assist you

[sturdy trout]

So the changes to Throwing Blades and Knife controls:

I feel they are super useful, but Knife has one fatal flaw - the attack is cancelled if you let go of the button too early. It has happened to me multiple times, that I dash past someone and just do nothing...

[hoary vale]

yo buff cl 40 more.. if it is not obvious just saying.. we need it buffed more : ) ☠️

[young turtle]

CL40 Buff is too much man. Buffed damage AND AoE is waaaay too much. Just pick one, Embark. Not only that, the one thing that can "counter" it is garbage against it since it gets destroyed in less that a mag. If you want to buff CL, at least buff APS. I literally just ran into a 3-stack CL40 squad, it's just plain unfair how much damage output they can do.

[echo urchin]

Just make a game with one map, one class, one gun, everyone has the same settings, and you’re only allowed to use the same computer and controller as everyone else, and you have to have the same internet, and “blah blah blah, fairness, competitive, no randomness, balance, mechanical skill, bosh.”

[quick coyote]

Hotfix CL 40. Game is miserable with the CL spam

[high wing]

Fix the broken respawn system, you get 3rd partied ALL the time now

[void blade]

The game is horribly balanced rn and all, but i just completed ALL my daily contracts on my FIRST TOURNAMENT OF THE DAY. embark we need more things to keep us playing the game! Give us real challenges

[unique blaze]

LTMs (Limited timed modes) please for new maps/modes etc. People constantly quitting/throwing cos they don't get the new map :/

[slim rampart]

RPG was a problem for the entire game. Now cl 40 can kill a heavies in 3 shots. You have no idea what you are writing about.

[proven crown]

Medium grenade launcher so obviously needs a nerf. Why buff it when nobody likes playing against it? Low skill, annoying weapons should NOT be OP

[naive yarrow]

Hear me out embark, im about to cook

recently heavy has been hit with a lot of nerfs, some that i agree with, but this is about the ones i dont, and about light being weak

now you nerfed mesh shield and dome shield to unreasonable amounts of weakness, but i think you should have taken the opposite approach, you see light has glitch grenades, so if you buff mesh and dome shield back to how they were before, maybe even a little stronger, you will be directly making light more useful, and we may finally see light in meta play and ranked play

also let us make threads in here to discuss stuff

[remote verge]

nerf cl40

[dry wraith]

Aim assistance is too strong on consoles. It's impossible to win a gunfight at long range against console players. The sword range is ridiculous. Why do light classes have an invisibility cloak and a vanishing bomb?

[pseudo breach]

@violet elbow lol, was this you?

Been laughing at this every few hours 🤣

[violet elbow]

yeah, benis is my goat tho love that guy

[pseudo leaf]

mentally ill people doubled this season 🙂

[mortal notch]

I’d rather watch paint dry than play the model/pike dogwalking meta

[graceful snow]

ranked is unplayable rn when u refuse to abuse cl40 or pike

[rough oasis]

I would like to see red dot customization, similar to how black ops 2 did it where you could choose different reticles for your gun. I feel like that could be very cool, and appeal to nostalgia!

[terse slate]

I just lost a casual player because of the non-existent matchmaking ..

[signal basin]

They the Heavy main who can't complain since 4 seasons now.

Here a pure fact. I'm a casual player. Maining Light and the only "platine" badge I've got is the revive one. And sorry but yeah, Light class is a problem because they can do shit in this game except dying. You can forget about win a 1v1 without stun, cloath or vanishing bomb. You can't fight fairly because the Light weapons CAN NOT damage the other class like they did. It's just unfair, unbalance and exceptionnally stupid. Go in World Tour, go in ranked. If the game is to turn to the light, where are they so ?
I'm BF player, I know teamplay and yes, you're right nobody play objectives. They all chasing for kills but this is not a class problem. The only problem is the light getting farm by other.

@naive yarrow You will never see a light meta by buffing other class. Light as to be more powerfull OR with more HP. This is the only way to balance this gamein a easier way.

Here something I post this morning. #👂┇game-feedback message Embark, please, think about it !!

Thank you.

[zealous walrus]

I think it's a little silly I have to purchase sights, at least its insanely funny that I have to purchase the ability to remove the sight on a gun that already has one.

[vagrant rune]

RPG was a problem in the first beta but it didn't need the last nerf. Yeah 3 shots if you can hit them. Not just hit the floor then you kinda need 5 shots if you hit them with aoe dmg and they can shot you dead in 2 sec with akimbos. You act like every cl40 player can hit target perfectly. Sorry that's not reality. And let's by your nonsense. 3 shots yes ok. So can lot of other weapons if you hit perfect. You're the one who comes up with irrelevant argument 👌

[echo radish]

Well I guess CL-40 is not a meta, look at how many people saying CL-40 is not a meta....https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/C8V36RREgX

[proud echo]

That the stupidest thing anyone in this chat as ever said

[lime shoal]

Amazing game Embark, keep it up and keep up the good work in communication and feedback receiving

[carmine token]

The issue is that there are nerfs to Medium and Heavy that could make Lights more viable. However instead of doing most of those, Embark screwed the Beam and Mesh - two specializations built for teamplay which Light players, at least ones who are skilled enough to be able to stay with their team, can easily take advantage of. Nerfing literally anything else would have done more to improve Lights' standing. Nerfs of RPGs and Mines are examples that benefit Lights, even if I think both are somewhat unjustified.

[paper oak]

agree on the cl-40 nerf, the pike is balance and buff the revolver

[hot sky]

don't you think RPG doing 100 damage is laughable

[worldly scaffold]

I don't mind the rpg nerf, not sure if the last nerf was needed, but it is still ok. I think they should lower the self damage now, or maybe just make it 75 dmg, and give two shots, would make it more of a breach thingy maybe? And yes to above, revolver needs a buff, also M60, it feels like it does no damage, or is that just me?

[short crater]

When can you activate 120 FPS on console?

[regal salmon]

This is my point.

Lights aren't weak. They just refuse to play the game properly. The issue isn't with the class. It's with the psychographic profile of the players who pick this.

You cannot fix this. All you can do is ruin the central premise of the game so that it no longer rewards teamwork. That is the only way Lights will finally thrive.

And unfortunately, it seems like the path Embark is gradually taking. Because it turns out they need to pay the bills. And low-impulse control players tend to buy the most cosmetics.

It's the sad path every innovative FPS eventually takes once they're forced to concede that 80% of the genre's audience is dumb as shit. And making a complex, innovative game is just cutting holes in their own pockets.

[tropic coral]

Queuing for 20 min now on ps5 looking for a ranked game with crossplay off

[quick coyote]

reddit idiots need the crutch of a no aim nade launcher. Last place you will see good takes

[dark spade]

As someone that got E1 last season only playing light, I agree that light is not a weak class. It is frustrating though that the CL-40 is a 2 shot against light even if both shots miss and you only get hit with splash damage. There are so many things you need to play around to not get insta killed. Double mine on the back of a closed doorway, sniper 1 shot headshots, rpg makes it so you die to a single bullet, model 1 tap and melee combo, etc.

[proven crown]

Cashout A in Insult section has this issue, where the fkin charge and slam can just destroy our whole building and we fall off the edge of the map?? Frustrating rubbish

[unreal fossil]

Unfortunately true.

Wanting Light to be 'equal' to Medium/Heavy doesn't make sense to me. L is the least team/objective oriented class, while M/H are by design made to have a synergy that wins games.

L win rate will ALWAYS be the lowest, no matter what Embark does. The vast majority of people play it like a lone wolf focusing on kills, and only a few use the strengths of the class to support their team. Because the class is indeed strong at what it does.

[tropic root]

I like how people tend to forget that they have stats for both Casual Light players who play the game 1-2 hours a day, and the hardcore Light mains who breath ospuze daily. Having Light struggle in both competitive and casual IS in fact a problem.

[last mirage]

I think giving light maneuverability and combat movement would fix the class being weak. like a double jump that doesn't have to manage resources to use it. dash is easy to predict when you know where they are gonna go, because the dash travels a fixed amount, making it easy to predict where they are gonna be next roughly in tight areas. also make the class have faster shooting while moving speed to make them hard to hit in combat. with that, they would have fixed the class dying too quickly. they shouldn't nerf aspects of medium or heavy to make that class play catch-up competitively. this type of balancing doesn't make people happy since all that it does is take away aspects of what made the different classes special in the first place. with the updates now, heavy short-ranged players have to play a harder version of a grappler character with the constant nerfs to shields and long-range damage from RPGs. mediums don't have mines to protect themselves in areas they need to fortify quickly making them more likely to rely on other players to get stuff done. they made ranged weapons like the pike, cl40 being the focal point of the season not realizing why zoners (long-ranged weapons) were powerful when left unchecked (which was why sniper weapons were op in terminal attack and were only on the light class before the season) most of the multiple builds that created different variation with heavy while also being independent of the team can't be done properly now. light still has to hang around his teammates to contribute. I get that Overwatch did team play like this and it's technically good competitive-wise, however, it wasn't fun for people who played casually. people want to have a goofy time playing the game independently, they don't want to have to rely on Jonny.Gonzales2004 to achieve something in the game on a casual level. people want to test their own skills, not their team's skills. thats why people are a bit up in arms about the changes rn.

[storm inlet]

grenade launcher users can shoot at their feet and take 0 damage wow ppl defend that crazy
just do literally what is done with the rocket launcher: u take double the damage from ur OWN nades like how tf it's not a thing

[pale shale]

cl-40 is insane, holy cow nerf it pls

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[tepid summit]

1 the cl-40 breaks goo instantly, i think it should take a few shots

[vast quail]

cl40 is now RPG with a 4 round mag except it does even more damage 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 great

[ocean ingot]

I got into a lobby with 4 teams including mine just running medi beam cl40

[keen lily]

new spawn point system, nice

[thorny lynx]

Ya'll.... @pearl kiln ..... folks.... peeps.... bros..... THE CL40 IS THE MOST BROKEN ISH'. DO SOMETHING

[whole hemlock]

I HATE CL40
it uses no skill
high dmg
spam

[copper lark]

revert xp nerf, every other class got range buffs and light lost range which was one of the only playstyles that was working in the comp scene

[autumn linden]

NERF THE MF GRENADE LAUNCHERS, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY TED TALK

[dense bramble]

The APS turret needs to be buffed along with it so grenadiers can't just W+M1, I think increasing the amount of projectiles it can destroy would do the trick since it can only destroy 2 pipes or so before breaking currently

[hybrid pike]

Please make spawn points closer in the final round. I want more action! I hate how often it is “we don’t have enough time to try again after that wipe”

[modest root]

Ik right, fix XP

[frail pilot]

Please do something about the CL40, it's insane

[obtuse pilot]

I've noticed that the third party attacks are happening more frequently

[rough herald]

nerf cl40 by gutting the splash damage and give it a damage bonus in direct instead
(40splash + 70 direct or something like that)

[mellow narwhal]

praying that we can get cl and pike nerfed on thursday this is such a bad meta

[broken herald]

nerf cl, pike and model

[cosmic ether]

Bro..can ya'll let the CL40 mains enjoy something for once. Previous nerf did them dirty af.

[vagrant rune]

True 80% of people who complained about rpgs and now cl40,pike,model, turrets are light players haha.

[slim rampart]

90%+ ranked comps are H/H/M OR M/M/H so. For sure lights complaine.

[thorny parcel]

Let the cl40 mains have a bit of fun. Yall can continue to bullet hose them later when it gets nerfed in a couple weeks.

[rough nebula]

there should be a way for you to turn off cooldowns in the practice range

[olive fulcrum]

Pike is unhealthy for the game. Single fire, high range, high damage is frustrating to play against over the network. Because of latency, once you get feedback that you’ve been hit once, you are extremely like to have been hit a second time. That is near instant fatality.

Also the Pike gives the revolver no place to be at all. It’s strictly worse than Pike, but same archetype.

[woeful arch]

Quick Cash is awful this season, so far. It's far too easy to steal the cashout multiple times, I kinda regret when it meant something and you sort of only had to defend or steal it once or twice.

Then third party is still very much alive, I read the detailed blog post about efforts being made to reduce that but the most effective way I saw folks stealing a cashout is still to wait for 2 teams to fight, then use the dematerializer from the floor under to prevent a steal or grab the cashout for themselves. Not having this much fun, it makes the whole point of holding and defending rather pointless.

[signal basin]

Imagine having a chips class force to play in CQC because they don't have viable weapons at mid range

[reef aspen]

very colorful maps

[unreal fossil]

Wait, how exactly does Light struggle in casual games ? Let's speak the truth here, the only Lights that struggle in casual do so because they suck. I've been playing for 850 hours since S1 and this is Light's main problem. One that Embark cannot solve. The class is hard to play AND picked by players who don't have the skill set required to make it work. So here comes the endless complaining...

Competitive/high ELO is a whole different topic, because Light's hardest counter is teamplay. A stacked team with VC will really negate most of the class advantages, and yes even good Light players may struggle in that context. However I don't see a reasonable fix to this. Once again, M/H are designed to be team/objective oriented, Light is not, and no amount of balance changes will make a difference, unless you really throw the entire game design out the window.

[burnt notch]

I don’t see cl 40 in ranked tho

[tropic root]

Nice of you to generilize the entire Light class. Surely you represent the entire Light players.

Just because you see bad light players that "suck" and you're "not" doesn't mean the entire Light users are bad. The devs have stats to back their buffs and nerfs up.

[vague urchin]

Maybe pride charms/stickers? Maybe like a gay or bisexual or lesbian or queer ones not like all of them but the main like five lol
Tf you mean “heads will explode”

[thick sorrel]

Move defib to Light or give him a heal bomb. More people would like them as teammates. Right now nobody, even Lights don't wanna play with Lights in Ranked.

[river heath]

can't wait for people's heads to explode over this one

[vapid latch]

skill issue, my team destroyed a double CL40 team in the finals

[vast quail]

MMM DEFIB DEFIB DEFIB DEFIB DEFIB DEFIB MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[worldly scaffold]

wrong place post from me, but I'll put some positive here, I love the sponsorship stuff, and making the game more feel like game show, keep it up.

[tropic coral]

Embark, we’ve been queuing again on ps5 only lobby for 30 min. Pc has to much of an advantage give us console only lobby’s pls ps5-Xbox together without pc

[gritty umbra]

turn off crossplay brodie

[dim sun]

why did heavy get a new gadget last season but no new gadget this season

[stuck depot]

With the splash damage changes from last season you do realise it will hit for at most 10-20 damage

[lime fable]

This game needs to allow ps and xbox only, its just me vs pc players

[fringe schooner]

Daily reminder to split the console and PC matchmaking pools again. Pretty lame nerfing consoles and then throwing them into the same matchmaking by default with how much of an advantage PC has in CQC

[boreal sentinel]

Can u guys give the fucking light sword plunge some cooldown? Its so cringe that these jokers can spam that shit indefinitely while M dual blades are still trash. Why did you guys gave lights such an OP shotgun with so many ammunition count and very fast reload while the model 1887 is so bloody slow reload with only 6 shots? What is this shit love for Lights?

[keen lily]

I don't like the fact as revolver main that I have to 3 body shot light, which requires skill especially if they have dash, while CL-40 braindead can 2 shot them with no effort.

[upper citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[fiery apex]

newResPoint BrainDead

[limber sonnet]

The Model is a higher skill weapon that the M23 Matter. The Reload animation is something you have to play around and if you get good at it the weapon is broken.... otherwise it is the biggest pita to use.

[clear hemlock]

Me when I think that model is weaker than m26 matter: 💀

Also model has 6 bullets lil bro

[loud canyon]

CAN WE NERF THE MODEL ALREADY please and thankyou EMBMARK

[rapid stream]

Matter ain’t even that good and sword is still dogshit 💀

[unreal fossil]

I've seen truckloads of bad Light players for three entire seasons. Played with and against them. No amount of arguments can convince me that the class is weak and 'struggles'. Numbers are just numbers without an interpretation. Based on their data, Embark may think something is wrong and needs to be corrected. I don't. Light being the most picked and least winning class doesn't surprise me and has little to do with balance.

I'm nowhere near a Light main. I can hold my own in a casual game, but I wouldn't in a more competitive setting. However, I've played with several skilled Light players, and they were genuinely a menace on the field. And it's not as if they were struggling to compensate the weakness of the class by skill. They could do things a Medium or Heavy wouldn't have. But yeah, it's demanding. Fine in my book. High risk, high reward class.

[woven heart]

Devs pls make it as when there are only two players in a team less rank score gets lost when losing, else it's unfair bruh 💀

[torpid sky]

اكوا عرب في الطيارة

[rough herald]

❤️ :D

[fleet socket]

Embark please

[gaunt onyx]

Controversial Suggestion : Embark should have implemented some fomo into the store mechanic. The skins and drip of this game is crazy and they should capitalize on that. Sunk cost fallacy is real, and every game does it. I bet embark has data on this themselves and can prove that those that buys into the skins are not leaving anytime soon to make their money worth it. Allowing all the skins to be freely available at all time is just good on paper but does nothing financially. Players will just keep waiting for the next skins and at the end never spend a dime on skins. I suggest that if we have enough skins catalog embark should just implement a shop rotation such as fortnite and keep drip feed the skins forever and keep players coming.

[red echo]

This man , some of the worst games I had were caused by insane light players , just avg players always gonna complain , they want 3L to be meta for them to consider light ok , like it doesn't make sense for the assassin class to become 3 stack meta. Light is perfectly fine and was in s3 too with the exception of some overtuned weapons

@timid steeple could ruin a lot of strategies and creativity imo

[timid steeple]

How would people here feel about something like role queue from overwatch? 1 Light, 1 Medium, 1 Heavy on each team? I've seen a lot of people complain about triple M or H. Just a thought.

[proper barn]

GET RID OF THE I FRAMES ON THE DEFIBS

[turbid crypt]

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/iMLVx8EtmR_xfJYQD/d1337CtV3DO9?invite=cr-MSxUMjksNzA2MzUzMDUs fix this

[uneven dagger]

Guts sword skin for sledgehammer when

[steep egret]

Please let us queue into any casual mode / firing range / private matches while in a ranked queue. Plat has been 20+ min queues late at night and we're just sat there on the menu waiting

[left warren]

another animation like the coffee drinking one from season 2 but its a can of OSPUZE

[visual bronze]

nerf pike

[spiral hemlock]

cl40 is NOT that good and doesn't need a nerf, its just actually viable now so people want to use it so it's not just ARs and shotguns anymore. it'll settle in a week or two

[distant vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982014699291934770/1279734889817702450/caption.gif

[oak kernel]

I think the sniper just needs to be a projectile all the way. Just make it slow down as it travels after 40 meters. It feels really unnatural atm imo

[quick coyote]

[gloomy jasper]

Please, reduce the damage area of the CL40 it's too powerful, even more after the last update who changed the destruction and made buildings paper like

[coral axle]

Ranked is third party simulator, I feel like nothing got fixed

[modest root]

Revert Xp nerf

[pseudo breach]

Nice having 10+ crashes a day. Hope we get more crashes with updates

[charred geyser]

Please do something about the Medium grenade launcher, it is so busted.
3 of anything is overpowered, I feel like if they limited each item / weapon to one per team then comp would improve drastically.
All of the annoying and OP combos would crumble, no triple defib, heal beam, rpg, etc, etc.
Make comp more skill and less "Let's pick 3 of something and simply win every game"

[fringe schooner]

Nah fam, still busted with it's range

[regal salmon]

Tried playing Light and Medium after they killed my style by nerfing the Mesh Shield. Didn't enjoy myself. Saw about two Mesh users in 100 matches. Both got murdered.

Finally had a match with my old class.

RPG is pathetic now. For damage, the CL40 is a semi-auto RPG with no cooldown. For destruction, Lights have Thermite that's more accurate and has twice the ammo. Neither kills the user like the RPG either.

The Mesh Shield is pathetic now too. It's like a slightly stronger Dome Shield that can only block one direction, and you can't fire while using. It serves zero purpose. Everyone is using Charge & Slam instead, which is way more oppressive, because it makes fortifications meaningless by its ubiquity. In an objective game.

Not only that, but the Mesh nerf kills the Flamethrower stone dead. Using that without being able to Mesh flicker is suicide.

I'm done with the game until/unless they revert it. Without proper defensive tools, the game has devolved into CoD with jump pads. It's awful.

I've been playing since day 1. 620 hours played. I was Emerald 1 last season. Just got the Platinum trophy. But that's me unless the game swings away from mindless aggro. I quit.

If I wanted to play CoD, i'd play CoD.

[worn horizon]

As many players mentioned before, the new Pike is a bit too strong, its fire rate should be reduced by maybe 10% and it could use a little longer reload. its too strong up close for being a DMR

[last mirage]

for what the class can do in ranked, it is very little since you could be breathed on funny against a burst damage player's direction and be at 20 health. sure it's technically not a one-shot but, automatics are known for chip damage, and when you run into the enemy team carrying automatics with a semi-auto weapon you effectively melt faster than butter. It's the main reason why aggressive light players tend to have issues playing the game, making them easy to kill. the smart players have to find ways to cheese kills instead of being an upfront combat class (pot shots, hiding behind teammates, sniper, chaos of the map.) if they want the class to be fair damage-wise for other classes (the xp-54 nerf,) then they need to make the class become a combat class. either they have more health to survive chip damage or make that class be able to dodge more damage. even with me being a heavy main looking from the outside in, I will say that light just can't tank damage and they can't dodge damage without relying on the dash to carry them (even then it's limited and predictable.) that being said they don't need to nerf the other classes to make light seem good. That is what makes it frustrating for the other players dealing with that class because all that it does is make time to kill against heavy players borked whenever they nerf a weapon to make it feel fair for light players. That is why the ks-23 isn't good for fighting against a medium or a heavy. it's the reason why there were so many fanboys defending the current changes to the cl40, because they have a fair chance against fighting heavy classes now (they shouldn't be able to have influence across the entire map though). then it becomes this ouroboros of balancing which makes time to kill slower and slower. There will always be a strategy that's good for dealing quick damage for team fights (which makes the game interesting) which is why light players need a way to dodge damage or tank damage better.

[surreal meadow]

**EMBARK!!

DROP 5v5 CASH
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1290340362208149504/2Q.png?ex=66fc1a9b&is=66fac91b&hm=4d5f9d9c43a2e7c89fc1455b18f85184a83811ec8f4067bd76cd88c1a0fd3cb0&
AND MY WALLET IS YOURS!!! Day 24/100 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥**

[wanton robin]

With the update lowering the ziplines to fit through doors better, I've noticed on Skyway when there's a Zipline going from hospital towards hotel, your feet hit the railing and it knocks you off the Zipline and plummets you to the abyss. Anyone else have this issue?

Also, I accidentally scrolled to my demat mid jump on Fortune Stadium the other day and instantly dropped like a rock to my death ☠️

[raw kite]

hello embark ! I enjoy playing the finals and i love the nex sights addition. But I'm a little sad to see that some weapons dont have any options to get in the shop. Since it would look ridiculous to add sight on a melee weapon I was thinking maybe you could add different version of the secondary fire for melee. For example I'd love to be able to throw my spear at ennemies or charge with the riot shield.

Hope this message finds you well (That's how we say it in french)

I love this game and the devs !

[delicate scarab]

I've got a lot of error joining games sinces the season 4 launched. I have a good connexion but i keep getting server connecting error. Anyone having the same issue ? I am on EU servers

[keen lily]

you pissed on the revolver this season, thanks embark

[strange wind]

CL40 def gotta go man 😭 there should never be a meta where its really good

[hard shoal]

we need an option to control which teammates we get matched with. for example, as a medium player, I would prefer to match against heavy player instead of light ones. especially the ranked mode. 🥲🥲

[graceful snow]

maybe make cl40 behave like heavy rpg, ridiculously big self hit range with a self dmg multiplier

[maiden thunder]

No model nerfs is kinda ridiculous embark I can’t lie

[crystal storm]

the nerve to complain about model with cl40 being what it is...

[wooden holly]

the hints on the menu don't stop appearing, is this a bug or how can i disable them?

[tulip crag]

3 ranked 2 afk ff this shit game

[spice charm]

Please tell me there's a performance update in the pipeline. These frame dips are making the game hard to enjoy

[valid cradle]

REVERT MESH CHANGES YOU PEOPLE ARE INSANE FOR THINKING IT NEEDED TO BE NERFED SO MUCH! IT'S USELESS NOW THANKS FOR THAT

[wind zodiac]

I agree with you. The nerf on mesh shield was too harsh. They need to revert the nerf or reduce the cooldown to 4 seconds damaged/undamaged. Also, CL40 needs a nerf.

[deft vector]

Dmr needs a huge nerf

[loud canyon]

THANK you nerf the model to the ground

[rapid pike]

CL40 everywhere... What is this

[terse flower]

S4 is absoltue garbage sadly

[delicate notch]

nerf the CL40

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

[indigo dock]

Smd in a challenge

[pale quest]

buff CL40 because lights are mad (its funny)

[quick coyote]

Nothing needs to be nerfed, just buff everything thats underpowered and game will be fine yaya

[upper citrus]

this is a macro issue. focus on plugging vaults

[icy steeple]

^^

[proper crescent]

What do you guys mean "power creep" power creep isn't real

[blissful smelt]

I can't get why the sniper is so weak in this game, even S4 is same. I mean the L sniper, is unviable.

Also I have a question: is it possible that a player hit me with guns, and immediately after with a grenade? is cheat or a macro setup?

[regal salmon]

Ranked/World Tour are in terrible places.

The elimination of wipe penalties, plus nerfing multiple defensive tools, means it's just mindless aggro now.

All the micro and macro strategy from Cashout has gone. It's just a non-stop 3rd/4th partying, rusher meat grinder.

I feel like this is intentional though. Adding sights, and an increasing focus on joyless, 'edgy' mil-sim cosmetics makes me feel they've intentionally sold out to the lowest common denominator FPS crowd, and are trying to attract mindless CoD types. Like most games in the genre eventually resort to.

I don't resent them. I've had a good 9 months. Get that ADHD demographic bag. I'll be off playing more interesting things instead.

[late mesa]

leaving matches in progress needs a penalty, the dota low priority system would be stellar

[undone swallow]

how to speedrun killing the game

[earnest fossil]

I suddenly have a good suggestion: Have some of the heavy primary reduce cooldown.

Specifically, when equipped with hammer, spear, and possibly Flamethrower, it will reduce the Heavy's ability cooldown (or just Mesh) by 4 secs.

[winged glacier]

day 2 of suggesting some sort of artificial weapon sway be added as an effect to the stun gun

[tulip compass]

Complaining about the stun gun after all the nerfs is so embarrassing…

[amber rapids]

Nerf grenade launcher fr tho

[woeful arch]

Positive feedback:

• The Pike 556 is a great weapon, easy learning curve and fun to use! I don't usually like this type of weapon but given the right objectives it could become a main for a while, without hesitation
• the Sponsors track have sick cosmetics, I went with Holtow because DUH that's the best one but the choice was rough. Had to watch YT videos to see the other cosmetics; would have been nice if we could have previewed everything in game rather than blindly commit to a sponsor without knowing what they offered, how it looked on our characters and at what level those cosmetics were delivered

[quick coyote]

Equipment not leveling up. Every game the xp resets how do I fix this?

[dull oyster]

Suggestion - equalize the classes a bit - right now they have too much of a difference in speed, size and especially health, its especially illogical how heavy is so slow when he has twice the size legs of the light char, this will give the ability to balance game better, much better, so may be make sizes closer, health closer and same speed for all?

[pastel tusk]

https://youtu.be/nDnZC5mYBXw?si=c-Ki89NIi7dhZOFu

[lunar creek]

BUFF CL40 and PIKE

[fiery apex]

#CL40BrainDead

[crystal storm]

Nerf CL40 and give every gun the option to use any sights 🙂

[last mirage]

I agree, I need heavy to have a secondary weapon that can provide chip damage at 10-15 meter range. The gun should be completely overlooked by the main ranged primary weapons for things like LMG, duel desert eagles, etc. it should provide a bit of damage for weapons that have an area of influence. Like an m1911 pistol that can fire bullets quick, with only 8 bullets, does like 60-65% health of a medium with the full clip. but you have a clip amount of ammo and need to recharge bullets like the dart gun. I understand why they nerfed the RPG, but they left a gap in the armor for short-range heavy players. Half of heavy's weapons are short-ranged and have an area of influence. they can't provide damage over medium-range fights making them useless for the team fights in a field, sure grenades can work but only for long-range/buildings. they nerfed defenses to where it's a joke to rush people with dome/goo grenades. they nerfed the winch claw to make it have a smaller range. they nerfed the mesh shield to where you can't pop the dome when needed fast enough, even though the health on the shield can be broken through easily. They can't do much in terms of closing the distance and landing a kill against a person with an assault rifle unless they are within 6-7 meters. short-ranged heavy players that set up defenses are now doubling down for defensive gadgets, making it even more of an issue for people bunkering. It is lunacy for melee-heavy players not being independent from the team, because now they have to hang around their teammates and constantly rely on them to do any sort of damage outside of there own zone. meaning that flanking with the sledgehammer is gone and was one of the best things about roaming around areas. overall if I have to dedicate more gadget slots in order to cover up one aspect of a weakness in a weapon, then it is a weapon that is flawed. I ain't touching heavy melee until they add chip damage gadgets to help playstyles around short range.

[velvet inlet]

What do the numbers on the Sponsor Contest mean?

[burnt notch]

That’s the total number of fans the sponsors have, who knows what the winning sponsor gets tho

[valid blaze]

Bruh this is what medium needs for range if they use shotgun or close up for long range weapons

[hollow ferry]

Day 1 asking Embark to buff heavies junk

[shadow stirrup]

Whoever is leading the effort on the balances, fire them. There is someone who is terrible at their job and whothe fans have to pay for with this pitiful balancing. They do some nonsense and then twiddle their thumbs for weeks while the entire player base is calling for a very OBVIOUS AND SPECIFIC FIX THAT SHOULD BE MADE THE SAME DAY (i.e. the CL-40). The falloff of Embark as a charismatic studio is historical.

[autumn linden]

the balance is non-existent

[upper citrus]

“The fall off of embark as a charismatic studio is historical”

-Guy who is complaining about one of the most counterable guns in the game that has only been decent for 4 days. Are you five?

[warm hill]

Connection lag is a serious problem for some people

It 100% isn't a matter of poor internet speed. I'm not sure if its a ping issue but I feel that its not the case since i don't have this problem with any other game and I live in a good area (New Jersey, not too far from NY).

It seems almost randomly during some matches (not all), connection type lag occurs. I think there is a chance that it has something to do with other players, because sometimes it only happens on objectives or during team fights, or when playing with certain people, but it could just be a coincidence. Either way it's annoying to have the whole game start teleporting you and everyone else around and get killed, and I know my friend also had this problem before. This problem was not present for me before season 2.

That's about all I'm aware of surrounding the issue and hope that either someone has knowledge on how to fix it or it's an issue on the games end that can be fixed soon.

[deft vector]

Says the heavy is over nerfed and not fun to play in patch notes does nothing and making heavy even worse

[quick coyote]

Can we have an emote that is a lawn chair, like this mod from DMC5

[keen lily]

this meta is terrible, it is so fucking obvious the devs didn't test the changes properly but instead they relied on the stats ruining the game

[gusty bolt]

GUYS YOURE CHAT IS IRRELEVANT, THEY SHOULD ADD WHOOPIE CUSHION SKINS TO GAS MINES

[night vortex]

So are you wanting a health buff to the light?

[paper oak]

buff the revolver god plss

[long arrow]

create a iron rank for put me & unrated players in 🙂 u just let me chain loose with the worst players of the world , since 3 days its gg embark

[regal salmon]

A hunting slingshot would be good. Fires ball bearings.

Low damage, and an arc to limit range, but infinite ammo, and no cooldown. Like a weaker, slower firing throwing knives.

Not useful as a primary at all, but fair enough to do reliable chip damage to finish off runaways with a sliver of health. Or caught on a reload against an almost dead foe.

Would afford plenty of cool cosmetic options too.

[dull oyster]

remove RS gain/lose difference, make it equal, because one game losing 1100 rs first round and then second game losing 60 rs 4th place is just bonkers ranked, and even when you go till finals and gain 2nd place you gain only 950? wtf

[last mirage]

well yeah exactly, that's the point. you only have one mag in the clip it does around 150 damage total at short range if you have perfect aim and can put pressure in a fight without you having to just bunker in an area. heavy can't close the distance for fights against teams in medium range without relying on defense gadgets to aid him, with the nerfs to bunkers, defenses, RPG. it makes sense to have another way to put pressure on an enemy without bunkering for your teammates/charging in only to get one kill. it would still be fair for long range users. it wont hurt medium players working as a team since they can focus fire. It is meant to be used for reducing the time to kill for when you eventually rush toward a player. it would be also good for dealing chip damage against players that are out of your influence. it was the reason why heavy players held the RPG like it was an ultimate for fights instead of it being a destruction tool. depending on how you tweak the weapon, you can make heavys chip damage feel fair either being through slow firing speed or wider hipfire. @regal salmon exactly! something to have chip damage for weapons with no range. that is what melee heavy needs.

[dull moth]

Why did you remove the commentary warning when the team is down to one member? Also the commentary when all of the members are revived by a teammate, I really like them.

[glacial salmon]

Yall suck the medium class off so much giving them the most forgiving precision weapon and buffing their only aoe weapon lol

Same story every season, make them OP then nerf them to above average, can't wait.

[keen lily]

just played a gold ranked game where literally whole lobby played cl-40, what a mess, thank you embark

[surreal meadow]

was in on skyway stadium 😂

[ember abyss]

Holy shit, it bothers me a lot, this on impact grenade launcher is just ass, like its 0 skill, he throws that shit a kilometer away and I get damage... the maps are not build for such weapons and the people that play this gun are terrible people

[jagged cedar]

"you will not be penalized as a teammate has already left the tournament"

[sonic spoke]

The whole point of this game is to hang around your teammates.

[abstract ermine]

Just deleted the finals I tried my best to play past all the matchmaking bs and other stuff that just needs to be fixed hopefully next update they do something

[visual bronze]

nerf pike and cl 40

[sharp bolt]

I hope Embark switches the lead team for current weapon balancing.

[worn horizon]

sorry to say that but its a skill issue

[somber gyro]

The CL40. That is all I have to say.

[wind reef]

BRUH THAT SHIT JUST HAPPENED TO ME

[turbid roost]

It would be really friggin cool if we could have some other currency based off of the money we extract from games, maybe we could get some cosmetics with it or smth

[gilded sage]

You should add all the songs from the soundtrack play during the game.
I listen to the finals spotify every time I play and it fits the game perfectly.

Edit: can I also have my other c4 back please :(

[merry grove]

This is kinda small, but can you make possible to reconnect to powershift and quickplay matches? That way you dont have to back out everytime a teamate gets kicked for inactivity or is just kicked for no reason

[hearty bough]

It def needs tuning but have you ever tried CL40 yourself? Calling it “no skill” is a wild take when you have to judge distance, lead your targets due to slow projectile, and in certain positions when the enemy has the high ground it’s almost impossible deal damage at all. The splash damage is a pretty small radius, it’s only the direct hits that deal significant damage

[celest bone]

add me on that list. Dagger otp since season 1 and got it maxed out. would love to see those changes

[carmine warren]

Yes please. That would be amazing. They would need a custom fart sound for when they got triggered

Also, banana revolver please

[sacred cypress]

CL-40 should have never been buffed so hard. Lobbies r full with player running this weapon its just not fun. I get that it's somewhat difficult to balance it but as in the current state it is? Absolute dogshit.

[full flume]

rather deal with the cl-40 then getting one shotted by light swords

[deep summit]

Worst audio in any game, half the time the vital audio doesn't play, footsteps, stealing cashouts. Fix it

[gusty bolt]

REAL SHIT

[vestal coral]

will you ever be able to make it a decent game?

[last mirage]

if I wanted to play Reinhardt, then I would have played Overwatch 2. It is beneficial to work alongside your teammates yes. however, I shouldn't be forced down a playstyle that is boring for a particular weapon, in order for it to be useful. I shouldn't rely on teammates to make a class balanced (that is why light is this problem child at the moment. They rely on teammates to do work ) I don't want to have to rely on Jonny.Gonzales2004 to make my build achieve something in the casual game. the game is already bad enough with the stun mechanics/unfair matchups being implemented into the game, I don't want to hate the game more because of the teammates I get in matches. having players becoming independent from teammates as a baseline helps make it still fair whenever teammates are down in team fights since its not expected for you to work together to become the best, just whatever players are the best. independence from your own team is good, especially with the 3 player teams. that mindset of relying on people to make what you do fair is why League of Legends has a notorious reputation of being toxic.

[pseudo leaf]

I don't get why all the broken guns are at heavy and medium. LIKE pike 3 shots a light without an effort but lh1 needs to 4 shot to kill doesn't make sense. model being best shotgun. Pike being best long range weapon. heavy having all mid guns makes him stronger than any xp user easily. Only viable light weapon is sword in my opinion taking long range fights with light meaningless any close range weapon without some sort of escape or movement is useless. Sword is only good because you can multi hit and some times destroy teams with it.
In summery light weapons are suppose to be stronger than other classes weapons right embark?

[stuck timber]

In general, I think the in-game voice message selection wheel (by character) lacks many basic statements, such as “my fault", "my bad" (which everyone writes often af on chat) “follow me”, "go first", “I'm following you", "silence!" "floor below" "use jumpad/zip” - there are a ton of possibilities

The selection wheel could be customized, just as emoticons are now.

In The FInals, this feature works very well anyway. Next to voice chat, it is the best solution for a reasonably close match. And it would be good if it were developed

[quick coyote]

Punish leavers. I'm so sick of getting matched constantly into a 1v5 just to get spawn camped and teabagged for 10 minutes

[mint wing]

Y'all, lemme put a 6x scope on my sword.
Don't ask why, don't ask how, don't even make it usable. Just lemme spend 800 VRS for it for the memes.

[broken herald]

nerf pike and cl 40

[bold silo]

So many CHEATERS AFTER UPDATE

[tough merlin]

Its a casual mode. people should be allowed to come and go in casual modes cause they're... casual. Ranked is a different story.

[forest mountain]

Nerf cl-40

[lapis oriole]

(Sorry if the image is unclear)

Some items, mostly headwear and facewear, are locked into recolors and sets that cannot be used separately, which doesn't make much sense, except perhaps as a questionable strategy to sell the items individually in the future.

This issue extends beyond tactical helmets; it also affects items like beanies with headphones, the Spirited Vixen headwear, the Hazard Duty headwear, Descartes' Demon headwear, the Gunsmoke bandana facewear, the Holtow coverage headwear, the Golden Kitsune facewear, and many others.

The solution? Common sense:

• Move all glasses to a new category that allows for mixing headwear, eyewear, and facewear, improving greatly contestant customization.
• Create a separate category for headphones, enhancing customization options.
• Break up headwear/facewear sets into individual items, further expanding customization.
• Reevaluate certain sets, like the Golden Kitsune facewear (which currently uses the ninja cowl facewear).

Contestant customization is far from GTA Online level, but it can be better?

[woven hawk]

I don't think turrets should have 100% accurate tracking from range on a Light flying 90 miles an hour after a dashpad.

Please make them like humans, I'd rather 5v6. Brains are way more enjoyable and easier to fight for me 🧠

@autumn warren it's the inhuman aspects that I dislike. It tracks me at max speed better than any human can, and too often sees me when they do not, alerting them of my presence. Darn snitch lol

[autumn warren]

Just make them do less damage and have less health, put them in equipment. And give medium a real gadget that they can use

[delicate notch]

I just played in a lobby with 5 of them, I mostly die to panic shots. I do main Sword and I know how frustrating the lunge currently is. I do not know why Sword was buffed like this, it being more accurate is fair but it did not need more imo. I as well love playing SH1900 but that's also rather unpleasant now against so many CL40s in the lobby. Do not get me wrong, I enjoy the the CL40 too sometimes, it's a very fun weapon. But it did not need that much of a buff, if any at all, I felt like it played fine.
With the Pike I have personally not run into that many issues with, but I agree that it's a bit over tuned. The Akimbos I am not so sure about, I feel like one just needs to be careful when approaching them like the usual Heavy weapon, which is fair enough. The latest few games kind of sucked the fun out of the game for me, but I am positive that Embark will address these balancing issues. Other than that, the new map feels and plays fantastically. The new OST has also grown on me, I love it. The battlepass could have been better for be personally, but I ate well with S2 and some additional gear from the store so far.