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proven crown
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Is there a bug with Emerald? I got there and got zero congrats, no sticker nothing?

charred seal
quick coyote
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Sure, if your entire complaint is about the timing of it's release that's totally understandable. It is definitely not the best and could have been better. That does not excuse the people who call it a grind for the unemployed and lifeless. That's simply not true. Anyone can reach it be it with a stack or not, tryhard or not.

It is of course flawed, as any mode can be. Be it third parties or the matchmaking.

@peak moss When you get bodied your entire argument is "opinion irrelevant" nice try. (Literally projecting his lifestyle in a basement)

@river horizon I never said it was flawless. It has flaws, and some are very apparent. Those flaws don't include the grind in particular.

peak moss
patent wind
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balance patch tomorrow pretty please

river horizon
earnest crane
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what if the curency is more acesseable ??? (whold splitt the comunity into payd player and time investment players cosmetic wise) (whold shake up the cosmetic side of the game)

rough herald
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balance patch

quick coyote
pseudo breach
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I'm at a point with all this fucking constant crashes that I hope Embark fails completely. I mean, I never had a single crash during OB and S01. How do you fuck up a game so badly?

true harness
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It's actually 75! I know, insane. I had actively been playing with a 3-stack, but one has severe connection issues, and the other refuses to not use a flamethrower, but we could still make due with the original points system, but absolutely not with the new full-tourney win structure.

quaint cobalt
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250 spec on twitch ... says a lot froggy_sad

ruby saddle
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Why are my settings not saved? Every time I log into the game I have to set them up again. How can I fix this?

ocean sky
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Fix your game full stop you have ruined the play style of this game because and mediums are under appreciated and lights loved far to much

thorny lynx
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Hey, Embark.... how come you dont listen to your player base? Game = broken. Cheaters = EVERY GAME. Emerald = Only achieved by 104 people TOTAL.... Putrid

pseudo breach
vagrant orchid
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Can you please adjust the alien event so that the green beam works like the gravity grenade? its so weird that parts flow up but you are not affected at all... it would give that event a little twist... cause atm its just boring 😄

swift gust
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I know its pointless to have a feedback channel here since devs dont care a shit about the players. But i request them to please stop forcing players to play kyoto. Its really annoying to play the 50 fps map. if they continue to not care about players then I think Finals deserve to die mainly because of the incompetent Embark devs.

torpid sky
# thorny lynx Hey, Embark.... how come you dont listen to your player base? Game = broken. Che...

If u win 2 tourney a day you'll get e1 by the end of the season, if u can't win minimum 2 tourney a day then u don't deserve emerald 1 (even tho you're complaining about e4 which requires only 10Wins🙃)

@thorny lynx i meet cheaters every 2wt games and most of the time i force double cash to grief them out so unless they're blatantly cheating i don't find issues playing against cheaters, and again u don't encounter cheater every game so in the game where there is no cheaters you should win otherwise it's a skill issue, lastly skill issue cope harder sir

@light monolith then emerald isn't for you lol

thorny lynx
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@torpid sky I know the math. I am Emerald, played since Beta, have 750+hrs in game.....BEFORE the infestation of cheaters and server issues 2 wins a day was easy. NOW it is impossible even for some of the top players. You obviously dont know the game and want to troll

drifting obsidian
river horizon
dense wraith
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Can we make the points system less harsh on ranked terminal attack? Like I'm ranking up 500 points average every game and the game I could've ranked up I get 3 light teammates playing dagger and sniper and I lost 1.2k points. It's such a pain to try to play the game only for people to ruin it. They weren't even playing objective it was so annoying

iron bough
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FIRE the person behind challenges design, he DOESN'T know WTF he is doing.

untold haven
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for future world tour runs, it would be neat to add the older OST’s back depending on which sponsor is hosting the tournament as a nice throwback 🥹

dapper geode
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tbh i dont think anyone knows what they are doing.. Why does kyoto have a 70% or so map pick chance.. Why is winch claw so broken? At least disable it until further balancing can be done. They did that with the recon senses for medium.. Challenges make no sense.. Cheating is becoming a horrible issue and the players i fight either have cracked aim and PERFECT game sense and intelligence or they are cheating. I hate to say they are cheating too because its an excuse but to be fair how often can you run into players that have 95% accuracy with heads and perfect game intelligence??

storm inlet
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can we stop useless third parties in cashout ? It keeps being dumb and not fun at all

@mighty cedar it's entire teams...

mighty cedar
rough herald
mossy karma
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  1. Rework SR-84
    • Increase damage to 124
    • Increase time between shots
    • Make it a projectile weapon

  2. Buff KS-23
    • Increase damage dealed to Gadgets (Barricades, Aps, etc), Turrets, Goo
    • Let it destroy walls with 2 shots instead of 3
    • Make it hitscan

  3. Nerf Throwing Knives
    • Reduce damage or increase time between shots

  4. Nerf Model 1887
    • Increase time between shots a little bit
    • Decrease mid/long range damage

  5. Nerf XP-54
    • Decrease damage at mid/long range

  6. Buff SH1900
    • Decrease bullet spread
    • Increase damage at mid range a little bit

  7. Buff R .357
    • Increase damage by 1

  8. Nerf / Rework / Remove Winch Claw
    • #👂┇game-feedback message

  9. Rework RPG
    • Reduce damage to 100
    • Increase blast radius

  10. Rework Charge N Slam:
    • Set damage from the initial collision at 60-80 HP, and subsequent collisions at 30-40
    • Decrease CD

  11. Buff Sledgehammer
    • Make its secondary attack multi-hit

  12. Buff/Rework M melee weapons to make them more viable
    • #👂┇game-feedback message

  13. Buff 93r
    • Increase damage from a bullet by 1-2

  14. Buff/Rework Spear
    • #👂┇game-feedback message

  15. Rework Defibrillator
    • Reduce reviving time
    • Reduce amount of HP restored

  16. Rework Stun Gun
    • #👂┇game-feedback message

  17. Give reworked Stun Gun or Winch Claw to M as they lack distance-breaking possibilities

  18. Buff FCAR
    • Increase damage from a bullet by 1

  19. Buff Glitch Grenade
    • Increase blast radius
    • Increase throwing speed

  20. Buff Data Reshaper
    • #👂┇game-feedback message

  21. Buff Smoke Grenade
    • Make smoke thicker
    • Increase radius of smoke spread

drifting obsidian
late rain
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Hi all, I'm part of a group of elder Millenials that still runs a yearly LAN (55 people this year). I tried to get The Finals as one of the major tournaments for this year, but it wound up getting rejected because of the limitations of new player accounts.

It would be incredible if private matches didn't require any kind of unlock, and that all unlocks could be enabled as a match modifier to allow people to play on new or LAN specific accounts and have access to all the classes/weapons/gadgets

This would also open up the issue of having 'invalid' loadouts, so possibly 3 private match specific loadout slots that are not restricted by current unlock progress?

I want to spread my love of the Finals, but in this type of environment the typical account lockouts are a huge disadvantage

prisma marten
topaz ledge
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melees have enough range, or abilities which help them close the distance. sword has a dash which simultaneously gives movement and 140 damage on contact during any point in the attack animation. also the lower hp pool proves my point since the light class has a much higher dps to compensate. combined with dash, grapple, and invis, light class is the hardest to hit, especially in close range. flamethrower is very, very viable, but only with winch. most heavies won't bother staying indoors or waiting for a close range encounter. winch is the way for it to become usable at long range.

also the issue with melees is that against guns, at long range they are essentially useless, at close range they are broken. there is no way to balance melees in a gun game

sonic spoke
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game not really fun anymore 😦

rough herald
woven briar
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Mouse and keyboard back on consoles? Please and thank you

gleaming tide
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Egg throwing knife skin would be a great quality of life update for the game.

vapid frigate
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What have you done with the balance in tournament mode? 😦

odd ibex
# mossy karma 1. Rework SR-84 • Increase damage to 124 • Increase time between shots • Make it...

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad that’s sticks to enemies or walls. It’s low damage but it long term so it it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal Lol it’s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick

We need toxic flamable purple gas thrower(less damage)ability where gas stays for less long as normal on map for medium class but it also acts as gasoline and can be set on fire and burns on surfaces for longer

Chainsaw for heavy that does a downward swing like hammer also u can hold and chase to do continuous damage.

Add optics for bow and buff arrow velocity

Knife backstab is worse despite getting FIXED 😂

Bro heavy spear is weird and rarely used,add a charged poke or jump and poke and remove the spinning bs.

Add a tactical axe where u do a downward thrust and do more damage the higher u fall (good with grapple hook)

Wall run and wall bounce for light ability

prisma marten
plush fjord
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For gods sake devs, remove snipers from powershift. Usually I dont complain abt snipers that much, but its getting out of hand. in ps ur spposd to capture a platform right out in the open, or stand there defending it, with usually no cover above you. snipers dont make any shitty sense. theyll be standing almost a mile away camping there and sniping u without ever going to the platform. and it sucks when u have to go away from the obj just to get them killed. all builds main speaking. remove snipers

mossy karma
# topaz ledge melees have enough range, or abilities which help them close the distance. sword...

"The issue with melees is that against guns, at long range they are essentially useless, at close range they are broken"

Thats the way things should be
A weapon that is completely useless at mid/long range should obliterate in close fights (don't forget that shotguns can still outperform melee weapons)

What makes melees seem broken is certain Specializations

Im talking about Dash and Winch. Especially the last one since Dash got nerfed a bit recently while Winch still wrecks

@hyperhu.#0000
Im thinking that flare gun would be a good replacement to current Stun Gun as long as it wouldn't turn off Specializations

Not sure if game needs any more melee weapons as long as current ones aren't balanced (im mostly talking about Spear and all M melee which are quite weak and thus unpopular)

Wall run and bounce imo shouldn't be intrudeced. First of all its a step towards sweaty movement gameplay (had enough of all kinds of strafes, wall/matle jumps, superglides in Apex) and there's already enough problems with interaction with environment atm (mostly climbing related)

topaz ledge
# mossy karma "The issue with melees is that against guns, at long range they are essentially ...

i'm not sure if i agree about the way things should be. my point was that melees had no place in a gun game as primary weapons, there's always gonna be problems with balancing them.

also we need more sweaty movement gameplay. the reason that bad controller players can beat good kbm players is because of a lack of good counterstrafing. i agree with you that we don't need new mechanics, but we need to fix our current ones.

viral citrus
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Nerf flamethrowers rangeemojishrug

rough herald
glad delta
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I can't believe someone out here is really saying winch claw is more unfair than recon senses. It's really not bad at all

remote drum
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❤️

glacial knot
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Most hated class in the whole game is light class and i dont know why. 🤷‍♂️

broken geyser
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please just 2 points for WINNING a tourney and 1 point for reaching THE FINALS, its a simple solution

surreal meadow
elfin trellis
grizzled hornet
safe shard
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I think they should add a short tech timeout for if someone on the team crashes.
it doesn't have to be a long one, maybe just an extra 30 seconds would be enough
my friend has gotten cooldowned twice today because he crashed in the start of a game and didn't have time to reconnect(he only has and hdd)

proven crown
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Graphics settings on PC resetting every 2 startups is not ideal

torpid sky
sonic wigeon
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World tours "ranking system" is the worst ever. It just rewards players that grind alot. Its not skill based at all because u can team up with some1 bad because he has player so many hours and grinded up his rank... trash game

iron bough
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Remove MONKEs from contracts design, they are clearly insane.

plush plume
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just stop developing the game if you have no fuckin idea how to balance it, all the new shit won't make a difference when a literal ape is in controll of the balance of this game

unkempt violet
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Rename World Tour to Waste of fcking Time Tour, so fcking disrespectfull to solo que'ers.

burnt notch
stray thunder
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SBMM - where is it snd why do we need it.

Skill based matchmaking is clearly absent from this game. Making soloq in particular a really annoying thing to do. More often than not you will get teammates well bellow yourr own skill level. Facing pre made teams that totally destroy you.

Nerfing and buffing to try and make everybody happy is not achievable. Using SBMM is.

Even Activision has acknowledged that players are happier with SBMM:

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/activision-secretly-experimented-on-50-of-call-of-duty-players-by-decreasing-skill-based-matchmaking-and-determined-players-like-sbmm-even-if-they-don-t-know-it/

rocky comet
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Did Oscar mention any patch stuff? I was watching it but I stop paying attention mid game he was playing.

analog hearth
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Of course there is a difference between a casual and a hardcore player, but what do prizes have to do with it? There is a leaderboard where you can see how good you are. I don't see any problem with all players being able to get all the prizes, it will only make more happy people, that's what games are for.

quick coyote
mighty cedar
thorny lynx
somber gyro
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The fact that we can’t ping statues is annoying. Needs to be a call out imo. “Statue here” “Enemy statue here”.

night vortex
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If we get rid of winch can we give the heavies the stun gun? The lights have the option to make the slower targets even slower for some reason.

analog hearth
# quick coyote Rewards given for the highest ranks act as a symbol to show the players dedicati...

This is understandable, but it is not a rule. The reward for reaching the highest ranks is your name on the leaderboard Đ°nd the ability to earn the rest of the rewards faster and easier than a casual player could. If your ass falls off because someone else will have the same awards as you, then that's sad. If you're annoyed that more people will be happy... I wouldn't say that's a good and right feeling.

young turtle
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Since when did they remove rerolling Contracts? That was such a great QoL, what am I supposed to do with this 3k maxxed out currency? Wait for new stuff to come out? Bruh.

night glen
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Ture. But they don't change the FPS gameplay except to give a new avenue of movement and attack. They are a gimmick but it is the gimmick the game is named after. It is also not something that makes gameplay any different for any class of character since everyone has the same ability to use them. I am mainly saying that The Finals, before so many weird additions to the classes abilities and weapons, was played by many more people. These additions seem to be what is killing this game.

astral viper
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Lights clearly need a buff Embark. Maybe infinite cloak and dashes in one ability? They should also have 1 second respawn timers and no recoil on SMG's which also should kill in one bullet and home in on bad guys at any range. You should also nerf heavy and medium so their guns deal damage to themselves when they shoot. Light swords should also kill in one hit bcause i got that cool katana and ninjas are cool thanks

jagged cedar
burnt notch
pseudo latch
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Day 148 of me begging the devs to give heavy an M134 Minigun as a Specialization.

  • 200 Round magazine, ammo is restored four bullets every second, 50 seconds for a full reload.
  • 20 rounds per second, eleven damage a round, 220 DPS. No headshot modifier to keep DPS from becoming insane.
  • Falloff begins at 30 meters down to six damage a shot at 50, but wide spread means the weapon becomes less effective past 10 meters even against larger targets, you’re probably not getting higher than 150 DPS even as far as 10 meters.
  • bullets do high damage to structures (should be breaking walls in 20-50 shots) allowing a mid-range option to output mass destruction (destroying entire walls on higher floors of buildings, ripping apart nesting sightlines)
    • significant damage to structures and players
    • gun can be pre-spooled with RMB over having an ADS (for obvious reasons, you try to aim down the sights of a water cooler)|
    • high suppressive force through sheer amount of bullets being fired
    • its a goddamn minigun
  • - Heavy cannot jump or sprint while holding it, has to switch back to primary
  • - lengthy equip-unequip time to balance such, no “pocket minigun” strats, choosing to use this mid-combat is a commitment, one that could get you killed.
  • - gun has to spool up for a second before firing, spool up being LOUD

H

cold bolt
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currently unemployed + kinda good at game + have stacks, honestly I don't see how anyone other than ppl in a situation like mine can even fathom reaching emerald 1 derp ridiculous grind requirement, TA ruby is much easier. Should've just added more points onto the WT point bar and called it a day

glacial knot
astral viper
swift shuttle
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once again asking for embark to tweak the team colors so they're not all some shade of red, it's too easy to get red/salmon/peach/whatever you call it confused with the other team colors during team fights
green would be nice, or maybe teal or something

plush plume
strange folio
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kyotos bamboo area is so bad it sucks

regal salmon
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I feel like jump pads need the same limitation that turrets have. Namely that the recharge only starts after you've destroyed the last one.

3D combat is fun. But on maps like Kyoto it can be a little tiresome for EVERY fight to be a rooftop fight. Which also heavily screws over melee classes.

I feel like they need to be forced to be used a bit more thoughtfully than they are currently. Or maybe even break after 3 uses instead.

quick coyote
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Add Oscar's face as a contestant. 🗣️

night vortex
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Few things I would like to see changed on the light class.

VS9 and Dagger being changed to a side arm similar to the RPG. VS9 would need a severe damage reduction, but I think it would still be impactful for the players using longer range options up close or finishing kills. I think this would allow for a bit more freedom and player expression, while reducing the toxicity for their teammates as the dagger players often underperform on the lower end of players. Also a special interaction on the VS9 as a sidearm could be that it can fire some shots while invisible but burns down the meter quickly.

Invisibility should probably have stages of decay that are highly differentiated. High movement should decay rapidly, while standing still should be close to not decaying at all. Keep the sounds as they are, but I think this would allow for a bit more expression on the invis players.

Swap Sword and Dual Blades between medium and light. The gap closer on the sword is more meaningful on the slower less agile medium, and the block is more meaningful on light which already has several gap closers. Also aesthetically it makes more sense.

XP needs a range nerf not damage nerf. I think it’s in an okay spot after that.

Give stun and recon to heavy, at the trade off of removing winch. The heavy being the main ways to remove geometry means being able to see through them would be much more meaningful to them, and allow better support and use of the CQB of the heavy. The stun is a healthier way for heavies to slow down other classes without it being a free kill like the winch is. The sledge would still need to close the gap in a hail of bullets, giving the mediums and lights the ability to at least defend themselves in a duel.

tawny oriole
broken geyser
distant sluice
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I TAKE BACK MY COMPLIMENT EARLIER. YALL DID NOTHING TO FIX THIS MAP ROTATION. WHATS UP WITH GAME DEVS PURPOSEFULLY TRYING TO MAKE US HATE THEM. OH YOU GUYS SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS DESIGNING A COOL MAP? MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BECAUSE YOU GUYS GIVE IT TO US EVERY SINGLE WORLD TOUR GAME. I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE THIS MAP ALONG WITH MUCH OF THE PLAYER BASE BECAUSE YOU SHOVE IT DOWN OUR THROATS AND FORCE US TO PLAY IT DOZENS OF TIMES IN A ROW. THANK YOU FOR THE AWFUL MAP KYOTO AND THE AWFUL MAP ROTATIONS I HATE KYOTO

surreal meadow
# glacial knot The game is already balanced, you need just to play the good class to balance yo...

my friends i introduce to this game didnt stick to it because there are too many "bullshit" choices in their eyes, some are mil-sim, tac, arcade players, some dont play shooters at all

light invis, light dps, light stun gun
3 med sustain
heavy rpg, heavy raw HP, GOATS/HHM
battlefield gunplay instead of literally any other gun play was a major complaint

these were all complaints

of course i excluded nukes as its alr fixed, but most of my friends dropped this game in S1/S2

quick coyote
# analog hearth This is understandable, but it is not a rule. The reward for reaching the highes...

It's not about being happy? It's about rewarding players for their dedication. An insignificant place on a trophy or a leaderboard is worthless and has no value. All rewards are given at the end of the season, so no one is getting rewards faster than anyone.

Giving rewards like skins, player cards, charms to the highest ranks has been a concept in every competitive game, for ages, to reward dedicated players. The Finals is not an exception.

brittle obsidian
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Find an actual niche for the 93R, we don't need V9S but quirky. It could be a weak sustain fire option similar to the throwing knives, with a really fast reload. Being able to sprint while firing to the detriment of accuracy would also be an interesting change.

celest forum
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Someone said above to trade the sword on light and dual blades on medium.
I like it

hidden flame
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My teammate left the match and I still stayed the whole game and I got penalties for 25 min?

tired sluice
# night vortex Few things I would like to see changed on the light class. VS9 and Dagger bein...

I like the v9s change possibly to a gadget, maybe daggers but I think they’d haft to function differently.

V9s being able to be shot while invis would just prove the complaint of people saying invis is busted. Possibly as a gadget or maybe buff the v9s procs detection on the enemy per bullet hit ex 1 hit = 1 sec scaling up. reduce knives base dmg and make them proc a dmg over time Bleed that % takes health. v(s gets one total mag while knives get maybe 4 or 6 throws?

I don’t like the no deteration while the light is standing still invis, the problemo w invis is that kids just stand still invis and get the first couple of shots on you. Having no deteration would probably bring us into a meta of just camping and rotting in corners and no one wants that. I think the only way to “nerf” invis would be to add another specialization to light, whether it be a emp pulse of something else to happen that way there’s a bigger incentive to get off invis.

Sword and duals, the dual blades wouldn’t even do enough dmg on light to be viable like the sword already is. I think instead increase the movement speed of players that are using melees, this would allow them to catch up with less issues. Maybe even allow them to sprint while swinging so no one can escape but I think that’s a last case scenario.

I think recon should be put back on medium that way heal beam isn’t always used, doesn’t make too much sense on heavy as it would probably get no use since you couldn’t really act on someone as a heavy w wall hacks. I think stun gun honestly should get removed it’s unhealthy. Chain needs a registration change as being pulled through wall and be able to be hit on the way back of the chain is ridiculous.

night vortex
jagged cedar
tawny silo
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where can i complain?

wheat frigate
eager ivy
median lake
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the challenge of eliminations or assist using quick melee or arena carriable is broken , only eliminations count !!!!

tired sluice
analog hearth
# quick coyote It's not about being happy? It's about rewarding players for their dedication. A...

I never said to just give out rewards to everyone. There should be some minimal challenge that most people can complete. People are already spending their time on the game, so why shouldn’t the game reward them for that? What’s so terrible about making the requirements for getting rewards more lenient? Nothing terrible will happen—maybe a few people will be pissed off, but most will be happy

honest siren
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I really like the colors being close to eachother, its not sarcasm, but i just want to add a +1 to the team color design choice.

The fact that they are close together adds to the chaos, and honestly makes cashout better in my opinion. Maybe make quick cash have more distinct colors, like red blue yellow, but in cashout and especially competitive modes, having the team colors close together can lead you to sometimes identify red/salmon as an orange team, or even mistaking purple for your own blue team.

That part of the game is really good, and makes you stay on your toes a bit. Something i could suggest maybe is to do research on the commonly confused colors by TV and monitors, since they arent always color accurate, and make sure that the colors are more likely to be mistaken by the eye and not the tv or monitor the player is using.

Maybe you have already done that, but if not, it would be nice to be sure, otherwise, im just happy to say i very much enjoy that side of the game. Its a bit of chaos that is added and can be fun chaos, but not bad chaos.

Mines for example, i consider bad chaos. I know not many people share my opinion on this, but if things are chaotic in cashout/tournament mode, mistaking one team for another doesnt greatly change the outcome of the fight. It has a factor, but its not as serious as explosive mines.

Damn explosive mines are so hard to see or hear when there is more than two teams fighting for one objective. And the consequences are instant and much more serious.

Anyway. Just wanted to say i like the colors being similar.

sick pecan
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Why did you roll back the change of bullets going where the sights point instead of center screen. And never mentioning the change or the rollback is just confusing.

night vortex
jade cloak
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I dont like getting suspended from games because both of my teammates left. I aint gonna solo the tournament

Also seems kinda inconsistent when it bans you and when not

whole stag
jagged cedar
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getting a random jump shouldnt cancel winch, give it actual counterplay or just remove it at this point
rebuff goo sledge so it can be used again

crisp oxide
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Please for all that’s holy restore the Lewis gun to its previous glory. This new melee heavy meta with OP wench claw sucks

Make the wench claw blocked by mesh/dome/riot shield and increase the cool down. Make it harder to aim.

rough storm
true harness
vocal bloom
spiral stratus
clear forum
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I dont have any constructive feedback. I just want to say that it gets REALLY tiring to have so many weapons that 2 shot. I personally don't believe any weapons should have that much dps but the fact that there are like 6 is absurd.

silent fog
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It's actually ridiculous how many times I have to play kyoto. Sick and tired of that awful map. After looking here every now and then and talking to ppl in game I'm not the only one. A lot of people dislike Kyoto. Ah well, 60 min suspension, still better than playing that trash.

brittle obsidian
subtle trail
surreal meadow
rocky perch
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Add a blue lair lurker hoodie

Also add glitch barrels to data reshaper

unkempt violet
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Does anyone know how high the suspension goes when leaving WT games? asking since leaving WT is actually meta now and save you alot of time (great design btw)

sick pecan
# surreal meadow wdym

It was more noticable on singleshot weapons like the lh1 and revolver or weapons with strong visual recoil like the m11 and xp-54. But most noticeable on the sniper. Basically when strafing the sight would shake and sway a bit, in the last week or so they secretly made it so the bullet went where the weapon swayed, but now it's back to being centered to the screen when in ads, making sights inaccurate

stark pilot
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Don't trust the noob say.
M1887 is great and balance and skill-full weapon.
Throwing knife isn't op like xp54 and m11.
And Rifle and LMG still the meta.
Smash is better than claw most of time.
Maybe make the claw CD shorter and let it can be cancel when target squat to against.
Embark you need to take care about the Mechanically way to buff melee ,something like add the kill regen 100 HP make the risk-reward balance.
Think with you brain, why people like to choose the powerful gadgets like RPG, It's because the revive time is so long. when you can coin to back to fight and teammate dead or time is over.
Make coin eazily to use ,maybe 5s cd, make coin useful and powerful to decrease the rist of dead by RPG or mine.
Most of review don't focus melee and say the light need to nerf, it's because they are noobs.
They didn't know why they die and complaining the weapon.
Good game make player learn and bad game make all of skill is weak and no one want to growing himself.
Embark you balance poor isn't the weapon damage cause, it's because the Mechanically is bad ,make a lot of weapon can't do well in most of time, like dagger, sword, spear, shield, duel blade, bow, sniper in cash out.
How can I do if the tree opponents stick together have range weapon and I take the duel blade or sword or dagger. Even i take two away and I die they just take five sec to revive whole team with full HP.

vocal bloom
shrewd horizon
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MAKE THE RPG DEAL ZERO DAMAGE TO PEOPLE THIS SHIT IS STUPID AFFFFF

midnight haven
#

Game should be retitled to "The Third Party".

But in all seriousness, this has been a chief complaint among players. I'm definitely feeling it today because I'm making a post about it. There's going to be third parties in this game no matter what but maybe some UI changes to make the closest cashout more "focused" to entice players to go for that could help.

wicked mirage
#

My personal dislike of lights stems from many (not all) playing what amounts to a solo game. Often not with the rest of the team, particularly when using weapons that don't require close range (think bow/sniper). I suppose it could be the dailies or other achievements that require kills without cash-outs. Aside from that, as a medium with CL-40 and healing, I feel the gun was better before the recent nerf, and the healing is great when we're against "average" teams. However, when up against full teams of lights (with dash), they run circles around me and I'm dead before I can heal.

quartz shell
#

light sword should not be able to damage you when the light guy literally turned 180 degrees

surreal meadow
visual anvil
#

server down again??

jade token
#

same for me

scarlet niche
#

Tfla0003

deep summit
#

pocketing a sledgehammer winch = you die, nerf
add shooting through teammates

stray rampart
#

This game is extremely fun but at a bad state right now. Shoot bug, horrible amount of lag out of nowhere even without much destruction, sprint bug for me and my teammate in the same match, settings changing themselves automatically without my input. Please focus on some performance improvements and bug fixes. Things can't go on like this!

And kindly don't choose the the worst areas for balancing too, using recoil adjustments, inaccurate sights and crosshairs, abhorrent visual recoil are the worst ways of balancing weapons and does nothing besides making things feel worse to use. This shouldn't be a thing. People should have a positive experience regardless of the actual power and effectiveness of the weapon!

Wish y'all good luck with the future of this game!

patent wind
#

arc raiders cosmetics if you wishlist arc raiders or smth lol

civic thistle
#

anyone know why its saying login fail?

half knoll
#

does anyone know if there will be any weapon/gadget balancing in tomorrows patch notes or just another dogshit skin that no one asked for or a shitty buff to a weapon like they did with 93r? also the servers have been horrible just lost a game because the game wouldnt let me connect to the server. also koyoto is a laggy mess that should be removed from the world tour rotation until its optimized for mid to lower end pc's.

charred seal
#

Does anyone think this too that for a more competitive experience each team should have 1 Medium 1 Light and 1 Heavy only. This makes the players play and gain mastery on each class. There can be a separate unranked mode where people can run HHM MMM MMH loadouts. Having MHL each team for a competitive cashout mode makes it a better competitive experience. Cuz there are almost MMM loadouts in each team where they just keep healing each other and form a heal triangle and nobody is playing the Light class that much. Having a ranked cashout mode for MHL on each team makes it pretty balanced imo and there can be an unranked/casual mode where people can run whatever loadouts they want without any restrictions. This makes people use and learn how to play each class like in other hero shooters where 1 person can play only 1 role soo they have to learn to play other roles and characters too. Valorant is good hero shooter example I think.

red echo
#

pls add an m16 with a red dot new season

or dmr for medium

halcyon perch
#

Winch has so many one shot combos on light, its not even funny. I thought we were moving away from that.

polar vector
#

It would be cool if spear gets changed
secondary attack would be replaced with throwing it
like charge attack with lights sword but with slightly longer charge up time

fierce atlas
terse flower
#

The game is currently not playable

abstract ravine
#

Honestly yeah. Punishing lights for bad positioning is nonexistent, people can just play the class like its cod and basically get off scot free.

hallow lintel
#

Kyoto is one of the worst maps ive ever played in an fps game. Completely awful map design, terrible sightlines, and terrible performance. Visual clutter on this map is insane, this map needs to be reworked entirely.

brittle obsidian
#

hit them with 1 (one) bullet, thank me later

tribal spoke
#

Dual swords +dmg +range +fix block/reflect please!

quick coyote
#

I want a Mango charm

torpid sky
tame pivot
red echo
halcyon perch
#

You're probably ass at the game if you're asking for that.

fathom glacier
#

when the hell are we going to adjust the shotguns to not hit from infinite range

pale shale
#

I dont wanna play kyota

dark spade
#

Penalties for leaving should be greater for later rounds in the tournament. If you abandon your teammates on the last round of the tournament, you will have wasted more of their time and should be penalized for that.

plain fern
#

What is this

timid steeple
floral steppe
tired sluice
dark spade
fallow sedge
#

Can we please have more cross hair options, atleast let us remove the outlines so we can have just a dot?

warm osprey
#

😄

rapid rover
#

Can we have an option to put the old music back please I miss the fire tracks

echo panther
copper lark
#

Nerf rpg

karmic granite
#

oki seriously what is this game's matchmaking please make it so silver is like high bronze to low gold and do it like that for each rank, i am in silver 1 with emerald 4 wtf???

mortal notch
#

Nerf rpg please

vernal path
#

Make rpg homing and clusterbombing

silent grove
#

make rpg deal 30-40% so it deals decent damage to all classes

halcyon perch
jagged cedar
warm mauve
#

REVERT CL-40 NERF

fathom glacier
#

fix the fucking shotguns holy shit why do they half health a medium in 1 shot from 40+ meters

torpid sky
#

Glitch traps mega nerf when?

sonic salmon
#

id rather wait in long que times then get a teammate thats a bronze 4 in a gold/emerald lobby. can we have match making be one up and one down from your current rank please.

dark spade
cold bolt
#

lot of matchmaking complaints boil down to there not being enough players for changes to be doable despairge

quick coyote
thick minnow
# rapid rover Can we have an option to put the old music back please I miss the fire tracks

The old soundtrack was night and day better. But I doubt we will have any meaningful updates since Embark is working on ARC Raiders instead of the Finals.

They dropped a new trailer today at GamesCon and this explains why we are only getting skins for guns each week.

At this point, look forward to outfits, and skins until Season 4. That's if a Season 4 even drops.

ARC Raiders is the new focus.

spare violet
valid cradle
#

Explain to me why I LOAD INTO a WT without a third teammate and I can’t leave because I’ll get penalized?!?!? This is my favorite game of all time but this game is so cooked it’s fucking sad. FIX YOUR GAME EMBARK!!!

sonic raft
#

I'm getting burnt out, Embark. This Emerald grind is not working. You're making me hate playing this game. You NEED to fix how you earn progress. Getting to the finals only to lose and have wasted nearly an hour of your time is not fun. It isn't competitive. It's annoying.

echo panther
halcyon perch
sonic salmon
abstract ravine
graceful slate
#

sucks to get back into this game and I'm enjoying myself but then I play against an invis light. I can live with winch claw and the turret(not saying turret is good) but invis is just horrible and sucks all the fun out of the game.

terse lark
#

please revert activation cost of cloak it feels so terrible to use

drifting gorge
livid shoal
somber axle
#
  • Make C4 have 2 charges again
  • Pls buff m60 damage
  • Buff MGL 32
  • Reduce the recoil for Lewis Gun
  • Buff CL-40
  • Give smoke grenades to medium
  • Nerf throwing knives (Give cooldown after throwing them for too long)
  • Make a feature to select the Season music
dark spade
# abstract ravine People calling for a Model 1887 nerf really just haven’t used the weapon, its me...

Thats not true, I think it needs a nerf and I main the model when I play medium. I am E3 in world tour and it is by far the most common medium weapon in the finals queue. It is a 1shot+melee for a light, a 2 shot kill on a medium, and a 3 shot kill on a heavy. The range is also absurd. Ask anyone gold or above and 90% will tell you that the weapon is busted. The only people I see calling for a model buff are not using the gun to its full potential. Just my opinion.

regal salmon
#
  • Winch needs to stun the user for the same period as the person being grabbed. It's too often a free kill.
  • Jump pads need limited uses, or the same recharge method as sentries. High points are incredibly powerful, and it's too easy to lock them down with constant pad availability.
  • Glitch traps need a bit of a nerf. They're not fun to run into. Maybe an audio cue that they're in the vicinity? Or limit to 1 per player?
midnight aurora
#

let us put face paint on the crash test dummy

stone nimbus
#

add medieval knight armour with a riot shield skin to match

daring fossil
#

can we fix back stab so it's a back stab and not a face stab, thanks.

@night vortex sure lets just let lights one-hit kill any class from any direction.

night vortex
untold haven
#

can we get a notification sound for invites so i dont have to stay tabbed in

celest tree
valid cradle
midnight aurora
#

increase the hipfire on the sniper its laughably easy to get kills with it

topaz ledge
# stark pilot Don't trust the noob say. M1887 is great and balance and skill-full weapon. Thro...

the 1887 is in no way balanced lmao. 2 shots medium, 1.1 shots light. 3 shots heavy. it counters automatics and most other options. allows user to move with hipfire speed, instead of slow ads. ie, much better counterstrafing.

also tk is a better r357, without a reload or mag restriction.

and make the claw cd shorter??? you must be joking.

the only grain of sense you have is the hp kill reward.

idk why you talking about skill because it seems like you've been playing in bronze lobbies

@dusky widget ... there is no movement in this game. idk what game you play, but there is virtually no counter strafing while adsing with an automatic, or any gun really. don't tell me to "get better" when i'm being limited by the game more than skill

midnight bison
#

make interact and pick up gadgets on ground two separate binds

dusky widget
tender escarp
#

M60 damage 💀

dull mirage
#

nerf heavy for the love of god if I had a nickel for every heavy that didn't use dome or rpg id be giving the bank money

night vortex
abstract ravine
dusky widget
dry kiln
#

"Bank It" game mode desperately needs team wipes reinstated. Without team wipes, cash boxes are constantly camped by teams, reducing competitive integrity. The absence of team wipes, despite shorter respawn times, results in chaotic gameplay with everyone active simultaneously. This diminishes strategic depth and player engagement and defeats the purpose of revives, as players are immediately overwhelmed by the continuous presence of opponents.

Previously, team wipes encouraged dynamic, strategic battles at cashouts, where teams collaborated to prevent opponents from banking their coins. Reinstating team wipes would revive this crucial element, making gameplay more fluid and exciting. The current setup, without team wipes, is static and predictable, stripping away the game's essential tactical challenges. To restore "Bank It's" appeal, team wipes must be brought back.

dense pasture
#

We need a Theatre mode and more content. Idk if the season is normally this long but having it this long with not enough content really drags it out

distant sluice
#

BOY OH BOY I CANT WAIT TO QUEUE FOR WORLD TOUR TONIGHT AND ONLY GET KYOTO 10 TIMES IN A ROW. YIPPEE I LOVE WHEN DEVS FORCE ME TO HATE THE GAME! YIPPEE!

sonic raft
quick coyote
#

I want a mango charm

tribal spoke
#

🙏

true zinc
#

nerf model

sonic spoke
toxic violet
#

why do other teams get autofilled with a good player when a member leaves, but whenever it's my team it stays as a 4v5 😩

twilit torrent
#

day one of asking embark to add a custom, not dynamic crosshair (like CS)

peak pine
#

Can yall add a damn instant replay when getting kill!

mental hatch
#

Nerf med shotgun and all melee shit. And this game would be perfect and skill dependent. Because now u don’t need to aim, don’t need to learn movement, the two things you need are sledgehammer and hook

tribal spoke
#

I think nerf the winch?

rough herald
#

balance patch at all would be great

@proper crescent b-b-but rpg and hook and throwing knife 🥲

torpid sky
proper crescent
minor notch
tired sluice
quick coyote
#

Buff Lewis guns damage by 1

hybrid obsidian
#

I don't think Embark should focus on having trailers in Game awards and stuff like that. It's too expensive and it often leads to them (at least I think) making way shorter trailers.

Releasing trailers on YouTube and on social media is better as you can upload longer ones for free and encourage sharing instead of wait for people to see it on a live stream and go "oh that was cool, anyways".

rugged temple
quiet frost
rough herald
heady shoal
# sonic raft I REALLY want that Lewis gun skin. But 45 wins is just insane... Like I can get ...

That emerald grind is one of the worst game changes on my memory.
I can't believe that when they analyzing this idea, none of them said "We want to add a 'rating' mode, BUT without ANY team balance (by rating, by rank, by stats, by at least party) - that will be broken".
Ok, the first 2 rounds can be qualified with luck or tactics -- its interesting experience even now, but last round is only about aim, damage focus. And me with my fellow random teammates just crushed by former-diamond parties with discord. Is it fun to be target in shooting range?

So, skill issue, I think hug_friend Will wait next season

crystal umbra
#

Operation Locker

Mindless running & gunning

✨✨Embark Style✨✨

storm inlet
#

day #10 of asking for a throwing knife nerf 🗣️

agile jacinth
#

HOW TO FIX WT SQUAD WIPE ISSUES: What if it took 20% away from the team wiped and gave half of that (10% of total) to the team that wiped them? As a by product this also incentivises teams to go for the winning team as wiping them would give them more money in total

eager ivy
night bone
agile jacinth
# night bone Third party squad fest Bro, i don't think It could work

Third parties as a thing will be in the game regardless of any change, further I think it would only be a third party fest if the winning team had ALL the money - it still incentives normal play until one squad has a much larger amount of cash than everyone else, at which point I don't think it's a bad thing for that squad to get focussed. Also the 20% wipe penalty would reduce the winning squad roaming and would encourage more team play, while the smaller 10% gain would basically mean that a more skilled team that may have lost to some BS actually has a chance/path to make their money back step by step if they can pull off multiple wipes

vestal glen
rough herald
#

remove sniper entirely, it never fun to fight and the only 2 counter play is just bad while the 3rd is just don't peek (thats not a counter play in my book, thats just avoiding). even if they didn't hit a single shot at all the sniper existent alone make people change their playstyle (no skill free value)

counter play 1: you shoot the sniper (you die)
counter play 2: forsaken your random teammate to fight 2v3 while you try to kill the sniper, and when you finally get there
your team is dead and are berating you for going on your own and guess what? the sniper grapple away and it all started
again

drowsy vector
#

I have to admit after playing for 2 weeks that 75 wins for Emerald is totally fine. Now hoping you don’t change anything today, because I’m sweating my balls off to get to 75 (slowly closing in), and it would suck so hard if that gets taken away by a participation trophy

somber axle
#
  • Make C4 have 2 charges again
  • Buff KS-23
  • Pls buff m60 damage
  • Buff MGL 32
  • Reduce the recoil for Lewis Gun
  • Buff CL-40
  • Give smoke grenades to medium
  • Nerf throwing knives (Give cooldown after throwing them for too long)
  • Make a feature to select the Season music
wise jolt
#

emerald grind is the worst thing embark has decided to do. 75 wins is nuts. ive wasted so much time getting to last round as a soloq only to get stomped on by a stack.

faint saddle
#

Season 4 balance change wishlist
(Copy Paste for this to be seen)
I want to start off by saying These changes are my personal thoughts on the game's balance after playing all weapons and all classes with a total of 550 hours.

Season 4 Balance Changes

Builds

Light

  • Reduced the revive action speed on teammate by 1 second.

Personal thoughts: This change is meant to make Lights more effective in team play, enhancing their supportive role in a competitive setting.

Heavy

  • Increased passive healing rate by 50%.

Personal thoughts: Heavies take significantly longer to heal compared to Lights, making it difficult to recover without external support. This buff aims to improve their self-sufficiency in combat.

Specializations

Winch Claw

  • No longer pierces shields.
  • Primary weapon locked until the target is pulled in.
  • Cannot pull targets while returning.
  • Increased cooldown by 1 second when missing.
  • Reduced cooldown by 1 second when hitting.

Personal thoughts: The Winch Claw has been overly oppressive, especially against Lights and Mediums, with limited counterplay. These changes should balance interactions across different builds.

Charge and Slam

  • Damage now scales from 80 to 130 over 0.8 seconds, instead of starting at 130.
  • Increased duration by 1 second when breaking walls.

Healing Beam

  • Healing effectiveness reduced by 15% when a target is healed by two beams simultaneously.

Personal thoughts: Double healing setups, particularly with Heavies, have been difficult to counter. This adjustment should make these setups more manageable.

Dematerializer

  • Increased depth of dematerialization.

Personal thoughts: This change aims to alleviate frustrations on complex maps like Las Vegas.

Gadgets

Thermal Vision

  • Can now be toggled on and off.

Data Reshaper

  • Increased ammo count from 2 to 3.

Personal thoughts: This should make the Data Reshaper more viable and encourage a more diverse gadget selection.

Weapons

Lewis Gun, M70, Fcar

  • Reverted recoil changes.

93R

  • Increased damage to 25 per bullet.
  • Increased max ammo from 21 to 24.
  • Increased fire rate.
  • Improved hipfire spread.

Dagger

  • Reintroduced backstab hold mechanic from the beta.
  • Increased backstab damage to 340 (from 320).
  • Increased non-crit backstab damage to 75 (from 50).

Personal thoughts: These changes should make the Dagger more competitive, especially in matchups against Lights.

Throwing Knives

  • Now has a max of 16 ammo (8 bursts).

CL-40

  • Buffed reload speed.
  • Increased damage from 93 to 100.

XP-54

  • Decreased range damage.
  • Decreased base damage by 1.

Dual Blades

  • Adjusted damage:
    • First attack: 60/60 (120 total)
    • Second attack: 50/50 (100 total)
    • Third attack: 100
  • Increased baseline running speed by 7%.
  • Buffed melee damage reduction from 50% to 65%.
  • Decreased time to enter block stance.
  • Buffed parry hitbox on the sides.
  • Increased parried projectile accuracy to 100% and enabled headshot damage.
  • Increased blocking movement speed to match Heavy running speed.

Bug Fixes

  • Parried bullets now properly disappear instead of occasionally reflecting inaccurately.
  • Fixed inconsistencies with blocking the Model 1887, where either all shots were blocked or none.
  • Resolved an issue where an attack would trigger without input at match start or after switching gadgets with Dual Blades.
  • Fixed inspection animation defaulting after death even if another animation was equipped.

M32GL

  • Increased damage radius and improved shell bounce.

Spear

  • Secondary attack can now be canceled via quick melee.
  • Increased damage from 65/80/90 to 70/80/100.

R.357

  • Damage falloff starts after 75m instead of 50m.
  • Slightly increased reload speed.

Riot Shield

  • Requires multiple bug fixes and performance improvements against melee weapons.
dapper geode
#

We feel unheard. I have seen so many good changes that wouldn't affect your game in any way except for quality of life for your players. At least acknowledge your playerbase and let us know you are doing something. No bug fixes for any issues ive ran into over the last 3 weeks of playing... But every week I most definitely see updates for new shop items that cost real life money! For all this broken stuff, kyoto map, winch claw, dash light... Please just disable it until you can play test and balance it. Or come out with an event where this stuff is only accessable in the event so the playerbase can play test it before it comes out in every gamemode. Or just dont release it until it is balanced. I have seen so many successful fps and really any competitive game that bans/disables specific items/loadouts because they work together in conjunction to create an extremely overpowered combo that makes the game itself feel less like "The finals, a competitive fps where you can do whatever your heart desires, from blowing up buildings to making memories with your friends, to a rage inducing winch claw swing sledgehammer simulator.

short crater
#

Pls change the recoil from the fcar and make more damage to the gun. Thanks☺️

stuck rock
#

my mouse, keyboard, and headset all disconect at random for like 10 seconds for no reason. this is the only game that has this issue. fucking please fix this.

rough herald
#

some time i can't shoot my gun in this game about shooting, pls fix

proven crown
#

Add timer to cashout icons for last 30 seconds. Nice quality of life change

potent solar
#

update looks good! looking forward to trying it out tomorrow, skins looking great!!!

stray rampart
#

Add some function in the practice range so we can change the strafe speeds of the dummies. Right now they have a fixed speed which doesn't suit the strafes of a real player. Add both short and long fast strafes so people can warm up in game before jumping into the match. Said feature would also help people practice evasive movement and shooting combinations

mossy rose
#

Great job. GREAT JOB killing your game further. DUDE can you please stop messing with the guns nonstop changing the recoil the fire rate it's soooo annoying please stop

mighty cedar
#

Finally some balance changes to TK 🗣️🗣️🗣️

acoustic dune
#

Nerf the player count to 0 lol

teal minnow
echo venture
#

Yoooo heal beam bug fix finally

rocky plover
#

@pearl kiln are you guys reading the room what are these changes, you might aswell erase heavies

shadow spear
#

heavies are so damn op how do people not see that lol
there's a reason the best comp is HHM

I agree with all the changes, cant wait to try them out!

fervent citrus
#

That took a long while since late s2, but man, thanks Embark. Great patch and good changes.

hollow barn
#

Nice QOL Changes!. hug_friend

slender hill
vapid pine
#

Yeah let's do again the same mistake and make more NERFS. Literally zero buffs. Embark seriously should hire 3rd party that will fix the balance issues.

glacial knot
#

Throwing knifes are dead. Noone will play with them more. Like Aps turret since they added wallhack noone more play with them. If you need to kills someone weapons in a game , embark devs are Specialist for that

torpid sky
rough herald
#

game is perfect with no notable flaws 👍

@slender hill change yes but most didn't address any pain point

iron junco
#

Bring back old cashout

swift sierra
#

I did unnecessary 12 wins huh...

tacit axle
#

I like that they started working on the cashout protection bonus.

jagged cedar
dapper geode
#

Ok so, please give us an option to not be forced to play kyoto for 70% of our time playing... PLEASE

mental sky
rancid cloud
#

Mmm cool, didn’t get the DISSUN racing helmet because I don’t like playing Cashout. Cool.

drifting musk
#

Thank you for TK changes lmao

acoustic gust
#

Ah yes embark once again nerfed heavy, what a surprise, if you're not playing heavy with melee setup, you lose.

sudden holly
#

Really another trash patch nerfing 1 class only, the real problem right now are the game modes with shit matchmaking and undoable objectives unless you have a lot of free time

keen shard
#

I think the dome shield nerf was uncalled for

Glitch grenades didn't have much use, and now, 5 seconds is nothing

stark pilot
# topaz ledge the 1887 is in no way balanced lmao. 2 shots medium, 1.1 shots light. 3 shots he...

Lower range more damage, More accuracy more damage, it's simple thinking about the weapon design. M1887 is balanced and it can be the standard to balance the whole game weapon it's skillful and useful.
WFT did you like the whole game just rifle, LMG and SMG?
If you often dead when use jump pad in sky with full HP by three enemy you would never say the rifle ,LMG and SMG are poor to against M1887. In asia so many group team just stick together with long range gun is OP and no one can against.
Lower range not only mean you just need to get close to enemy, it mean you need to dodge any mine and opponent cross fire, you just notice you been 2 shot kill and never seen a lot of low range weapon just dead when he want to get close your team.
Long range weapon dead have no risk because your team can easy save you just 5s and the low range weapon dead mean you need to wait 20s coin to revive or make you team go to a dangerous position.

Don't just claw a noob and say the claw is OP, a lot of my opponent of the sense to dodge the claw and I say just add a mechanically you can squat to cancel the claw AND reduce the CD.

pale notch
#

When are we getting a cool skin for the goo gun already

grim patrol
#

I just thought, since everyone dislikes moon gravity because it leaves you exposed.

Why not replace it with a super jump modifier instead? it'll let people get to higher areas to mix up movement without leaving anyone floating and getting killed with no way to stop it

whole stag
#

how does work TA ranked matching

covert mantle
#

Reduced throwing knife rate from 125 knifes the minute to 107. You your saying you could throw 125 knives per minute and now you can throw 107? That's almost 2 knives per second?! What you changed? Now you can throw 1.9 knives per second.

devout talon
#

Can we have a mode "classic death match" in 5 vs 5 (or less or more idk) so people don't use Power Shift to instant pick Light and doing everything except going on point ?

bleak nexus
#

Man please instead of stuff is getting nerfed I wanna see buffs. Make weapons more reliable or even overpowered. All weapons being overpowered and chaotic will be more fun in general than not being able to use what you were maining or what you are having fun while playing. Both dome shield and Throwing Knife changes are really not doing it.. Shield is literally so easy to deal with and Throwing knives are useless unless close range and thats one of Light's strong suit. If you can move good enough you dodge most of the knives and if people using Throwing knives cannot aim they won't be able to use it at all. So its already a skill requiring weapon why nerf it after a decent balance??

rare stump
#

why nerf the dome shield so bad it was eazy to break now its useless 5.5 sec doesnt even give u any cover good job embark now heavy is completely unplayable bad guns no good utility

warm compass
#

why nerfing heavy over and over shield dome nerf you want to kill heavy so obvious

modern ether
#

good patch embark

kindred agate
#

Watching old clips of the finals and maybe it’s the nostalgia factor talking but the game was better.

I was happier.

Want to revive a dying game? Referring friends isn’t going to do it.

I stopped playing the game. I’m not going to be incentivized for some multibucks to put friends through it mentally.

If you want to shake up and revamp the game, here are some 💡 ideas 💡

  1. map voting. Sticking us in shit maps and not giving us a choice is not the move.

  2. have different game modes with different season updates. I miss the days of recon, instant defibs, one shot rpg light elims and dare I say nukes.
    Have different seasons available in different game modes and see the server activity to evaluate if it’s pragmatic moving forward. At bare minimum, have it available as options in custom games.

  3. advertising more. Find some room to expand that budget. My friends still have no idea what the game is and if it wasn’t for word of mouth, I wouldn’t be here at 4am trying to help defib this game.

  4. weapon balancing. I appreciate the willingness in listening to feedback from players. The constant changing is very aggravating and annoying. Throwing knives are broken. Needs to be a reload animation or cooldown with a reduction in damage. Heavy is being nerfed into the ground and so many people are quitting the game over this.

  5. throw away low gravity, alien invasion and meteor showers. Waste of space in the game

wheat wing
#

More LH1 skins 🥺

tawny oriole
rough herald
#

NOT A NOTHING PATCHES GAME IS GOOD

in all seriousness, all of the change didn't address any pain point and the few exception like hook and tk dose make it more balance it still frustrating to fight, still a good enough patch tho...
(hope we get patch like this more often)

@glacial knot (one minor nerf) WEAPON IS DEAD UNUSABEL!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

Tenor
stray rampart
#

This. Literally this.

pale grotto
glacial knot
eager ivy
#

I see the worst class gets nerfed again lol while the meta is still light oof game dying hard with these trash balance updates welp time for a new game this one ain't going anywhere sadly.

quick coyote
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WHY would you nerf heavy again? you've already made heavy melee only

acoustic gust
outer jetty
light urchin
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the throwing knives nerf is insane, not playable anymore

storm inlet
young turtle
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Petition to choose which Emerald Gun Skin you want on reaching Emerald 3 (rather than grinding to Eme 1 to get AKM). Medium mains rise up! Lmao

timber thicket
flint jungle
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There should be an option to be able to remove maps from the selection, it is horrible to have to play the same map 3 or 4 consecutive times.

dry wraith
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Thank you very much for the balance adjustments 👍

nocturne fern
tough merlin
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Woo we got Like 5 changes!

@teal minnow yes I did. We got some goo changes a tk change, a winch change annd a shield change. Oh I guess we got 6 my bad we got changes to the new and wild experimental mode call world tour where they keep testing stuff! Woo.

teal minnow
vernal path
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Can start with that I am aware that you can see which Specializations your opponents have, at the beginning of the match. But for everyone including me, who doesn't have photographic memory, plus everyone can play more tactically around and against everyone's Specializations. Would it be appreciated to add Specializations to the scoreboard.

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honest siren
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I havent played the changes yet, but dome shield was not very strong to begin with. Most people i know run dome shield and barricades or even goo grenades, because dome shield only provides a quick cover that holds off like half a magazine.

The main thing dome shield had going for it was the length of time it was available, so i have a good feeling its likely a very short weak cover now that would probably make it not viable. It wouldn't even last long enough to cover an entire cashout steal

Before, you could do things like toss a bubble onto a cashout to bait a steal and wait for them to drop from height and have an advantage to play in. 5.5 seconds kind of completely removes that strategy. Again, this seems to cater to casual players, since a smart player would have just stayed on height and popped the bubble. Now, nobody will drop. They will just wait out the 5 seconds.

Also, i second that this is a huge nerf to glitch grenades.

But ill have to try out the update to see.

Also, i want to complain about the emerald win reduction.

I know alot of people complained about it being too many wins, but many people already had it, and many people were definitely going to achieve it. You effectively set a bar and then made it lower and easier to get in. This is going to make the skin less rare, which was kind of the whole point of it being 75 wins i thought.

Please let the people who are tryharding to reach very hard to reach goals have something thats worth it in rarity, rather than listening to the massive amounts of complaints you're getting from people who are too lazy or cannot reach it. Of course they cant reach it, the majority of the playerbase SHOULDNT be able to reach the goal if its going to be a hard goal to reach.

I know you can't revert those changes, but I consider lowering the emerald wins to be a massive L to anybody who was willing to put in the time and effort.

Our achievement that we were working so hard to get is now just that much easier for others to achieve, and we get nothing in return for our hard work

quick coyote
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Why makes a normal Knife so much dmg, everytime one hit..

stray rampart
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Please use more surveys and public tests before you launch balancing and major changes. Let the community be more involved, it's not like you have to listen 100% to what they're saying. But it'll still give you a good idea about what needs to be done!

toxic violet
autumn lantern
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The new crosshair changes are a great improvement but they're still not ideal.

I've always, since the beta's even, had an issue with the crosshair and I've even mentioned my issues with it in the reddit AMA. I'm glad to see that they are working on improving the crosshairs, and what has been changed is great, but it's still not what I and others have been hoping for.

When people talked about getting static crosshairs, it wasn't just about not making the crosshair react to the gun's accuracy. What I hoped for with static crosshairs was that the crosshair would be locked to the center of your screen permanently. No bouncing around from moving around or reload animation or even sometimes when just standing still. Some people rely on having a static crosshair as a point of reference to avoid getting motion sick.

But making the crosshair locked wasn't the only problem. Another problem lies with how ADS aiming is handled. Bullets in The Finals always go to the center of your screen, which I think feels great. However the ADS sights always keep bouncing away from the center of the screen when moving / shooting making it unreliable to know where your shots are going. Yes the animations became a lot more centered from open beta to launch but it's still not perfectly accurate (especially with the sniper). Not only that but the bounciness of the ADS sights further hinders the accessibility problem mentioned before. There is a reason why people run monitor crosshairs and are way more accurate with them, it's because the current ADS sights aren't reliable. I don't see a reason as to why we can't level the playing field by keeping crosshairs enabled while ADS'ing.

Still overall glad to see some customization to the crosshair, I'm happy to have my green dot crosshair on all weapons, but I'm still hoping for more improvements to it.

somber lava
# kindred agate Watching old clips of the finals and maybe it’s the nostalgia factor talking but...

Agree with this.

✨ I think the only thing I would add is that ranked needs to be changed up a lot. I would say swap out terminal attack for power shift.

✨ I also think role lock / not open que. Would make the game better. Allowing a limited amount of players per class.

✨My bit of feedback to the devs. I really love this game, be playing since November last year. But it just feels like it’s slowly losing me on debuffs and buffs.

The way the game “was” felt better. Just in terms of the rush of winning and defibs and potential to be able to win. Right now it can feel like a struggle to win each game.

Games like Fortnite & Overwatch getting new seasons, are going to start stealing players from The finals, and the less players mean us “medium” gamers face only the best of the best in the game and can make it really unfun and frustrating to play against people with hundreds more hours than I.

So what can be done?

  • use a lot of the user feedback and balance the game better. (2 months to balance OP light throwing knives is a long time…)

  • Change up the game modes and make more fun modes like power shift.

  • Role Que added to at least ranked… and hopefully with good feedback can be added to all game modes. (Have an arcade mode for no role Que.)

dense ocean
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day 11 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

restive crescent
#

GOOD FUCKING PATCH EMBARK

potent solar
molten loom
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Seriously, this patch is a joke. When are you guys finally going to nerf the Model 1887? That shotgun is beyond annoying with its ridiculous long range. it practically functions like a sniper rifle. It’s infuriating to deal with in the game!

vestal yacht
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Oh thank god a throwing knife nerf. Even if it didn't change the firerate too much, it's not as insta-melt as it was before

upbeat lily
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I just want ranked tournament mode back, please. I’ve never played TA and do not plan to. Not even your pro players like playing ranked TA. Why not just have two ranked modes?

foggy tide
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who the hell decided 5.5 seconds was a good choice for dome shield?? the heck

balmy gate
fluid merlin
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Please give us class restrictions.. 1 H 1 M 1 L or 2 H 2 M 1 L on modes like powershift... Most of the casual games are filled with 7 or 8 lights.

As long as there is no update i don't spend any money anymore...

gleaming tide
#

Hey Embark

I am writing to express my growing concern regarding the frequent release of patches that have had unintended negative consequences on the gameplay experience.

This game has a lot of issues currently that are SERIOUSLY impacting the quality of the game that are being danced around, each and every patch that is a "balancing" patch does not address the issues that are present. There is no reason that the TTK feels absolutely horrible on almost all weapons, SMG's out damaging rifles at range, Shotguns performing better than rifles at range, Performance issues, weapons feeling ineffective and just NOT fun to use. and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

nerfing EVERY weapon, ability and class into oblivion is not how you balance a game and it's not how you make a game fun.

Embark has consistently released patches that have missed and have had unintended negative consequences on the gameplay experience. To address these concerns and ensure a more positive and enjoyable experience for players, I propose the following strategies:

1. Implement a Public Beta Environment (PBE):

A PBE would provide a controlled environment where dedicated players could test new changes before they are released to the live game.
This would allow for early identification and resolution of issues, reducing the likelihood of negative impacts on the main game.
Feedback from PBE participants could be used to refine and improve the changes before they are released to the wider player base.




2. Increase Player Involvement:

Embark should actively seek and incorporate player feedback throughout the development and testing process.
Regular surveys, forums, and direct communication channels could be used to gather insights and address concerns.
Prioritizing player feedback would demonstrate a commitment to listening to the community and making decisions that align with their preferences.




3. Focus on Core Gameplay:


While it's important to introduce new features and content, maintaining the core gameplay mechanics that made The Finals™ popular is essential.
Changes to core mechanics should be carefully considered and tested to ensure they do not negatively impact the overall experience.
Prioritizing the preservation of core gameplay elements would help to maintain player satisfaction and loyalty.





4. Transparent Communication:


Embark should be more transparent about its development process and the reasoning behind patch decisions.
Regular updates and explanations can help to build trust and understanding within the community.
Open communication can also foster a sense of collaboration and ownership among players.



By implementing these strategies, Embark can significantly improve the quality of its patches and ensure a more positive and enjoyable gameplay experience for all players involved. You guys have done great in the past when you made changes to team wipes and noticed dissatisfaction and immediately put out a survey that allowed us to give you critical feedback to address those changes and to return to some sense of normality and sanity within WT. but you can do so much more by just letting the community be involved.

Please Embark. Make The Finals™ A fun and enjoyable game again and bring back its true identity instead of trying to go with the status quo. Make your game unique again. Make the game FUN again, make it MAKE SENSE again. you already created an amazing game. STAY TRUE TO WHAT IT ONCE WAS.

stray rampart
plain lotus
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Woahhh way to many CL40 skins, glad this patch FINALLY added an AKM skin

gaunt minnow
rough herald
ember dirge
mighty cedar
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TK and winch Nerf were desperately needed. Dome shield was fine tho, completely unessecary nerf

Also, CL40 Buff when?

rugged kettle
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Was very excited to see changes to the crosshairs! The changes implemented are significantly better than before, but it unfortunately didn't solve the core issue here. The reticle moves all the time, despite bullets coming from the center of the screen. I was hoping the static crosshair was actually that instead of one that didn't show spread increase, but was disappointed to find I was wrong. Everything else about the patch looks great, but the crosshair never being truly still, causing issues with aiming with several weapons (aim with any gun while falling and you will miss unless you aim above the opponent, or just use the sniper ever basically, especially when moving). That one feature would make all the difference and would also end the custom crosshair issue that has brewed in the community for months at this point

fervent vortex
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What the patch should have been: dome shield down to 7.5 seconds, winch claw can no longer pierce sheilds and doesn’t work when glitched, glitch mines only can affect 1 player at a time and after 3 seconds they switch targets and cannot glitch the first player for 3 seconds before it can reconnect, slight range nerf to model, small changes and buffs to non meta weapons to improve casuals experience, add a 3v3 mode to ranked

untold pendant
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i think the normal map of the new magma set is bugged

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digital anvil
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Why are you only nerfing everthing into The ground?

tender minnow
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embark. why is the static crosshair not static?? the whole gripe with its is it doesnt stay still and keeps moving around the screen for every action, we just need a fkn png in the centre that doesnt move around is it impossible to do that?

still agate
# digital anvil Why are you only nerfing everthing into The ground?

I agree with you that this game died because of nerfing everything and not knowing how to strengthen it.

A very cool game turned into a purely gun to gun game.

Turning orb dome shields into 5.5 seconds, which isn't even enough time to steal, is almost as good as nothing.

Winch claw distance to 12 meters is the same as nothing.

Why do they all just nerf heavy stuff and not light? Have you guys ever counted the frequency of body types people use? I feel like light is a very strong presence in this version.

autumn sedge
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Well good job TK is useless now, its literally worse then before you buffed it

@lavish shard I've been playing TK since S1. I don't even just mean the primary, the secondary is worse then before as well

Tbh is someone gets killed by TK now its just skill issue on them

broken geyser
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Embark, can you please bring back the old C4 from S1. That gadget was the epitome of destruction and that is exactly what designs the finals. I never understood the damage chnage and why it only has 1 chnage. Can embark pls increase it back upto 2 charges and increase its damage. Now with the lack of nukes, it's perfect

Also the dome shield did not need a nerf

mortal notch
# still agate I agree with you that this game died because of nerfing everything and not knowi...

Winch needed a nerf yet dome shield was nerfed and not rpg it makes no sense stop complaining when your peek is plat with heavy and the frequency of people is because light has movement and new players tend to move towards it
Dome shield did need a nerf and was oppressive in high elo (still don’t know why there’s no rpg nerf or charge that would of done the same thing to nerf heavy oppressiveness)

idle oracle
# still agate I agree with you that this game died because of nerfing everything and not knowi...

Because while light feels oppressive, they still fall off compared to mediums and heavies. The winch combined with sledge/sa was death for grabbed mediums and lights, and even a rival heavy struggles. Dome orb nerf was perhaps unnecessary, but heaviest still got incredibly oppressive things to use that are not fun to go against (slam, sa, rocket launcher).

The reason light is picked not because it is better, but because people have more fun being a quick moving and quick killer in spite of the hardships it faces and how much skill it needs to be good at the Finals (aside from killing)

copper lark
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Good patch overall but seriously no nerf to rpg?

somber axle
hallow kindle
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Lack of XP-54 nerfs is crazy. The gun is broken and competes with ARs at mid range. No reason for a SMG to be that good at long distances

plush fjord
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Trash patch notes. I hate looking up at the channel.
Sure, adressed winch claw, decreased tk fire rate. wbu reloading for tks?
how th do they not have nerfs for stun gun for gods sake???? The thing almost immobilizes u and makes u unable to use gadgets. equipped with certain guns its powerful like hell.
HOW TH didnt they nerf xp s54? the gun has hellish fire rates and a good range, plus seconds of relaod speed. then coming to rpg. its supposed to be a destruction based weapon. altho i love heavies i think rpg damage to players should be a BIT reduced, to buildings increased.
the patch notes are useless. still 100s of stuff remaining, and i feel rpg and stun gun was more neccessary.
note: the dome shield didnt even need a nerf, now it comes down like a fly. another flaw by the team.

cedar rapids
foggy tide
# somber axle Cant have shi as heavy bruh 💀

heavy feels so unplayable at the moment. any decent weapons and gadgets have been nerfed. all players have to do is stay med to long range and you cant do anything but die... i really dont understand where they are making these changes up from. seems like they change things no one asks for, making the game worse...

lavish shard
mental sky
scarlet niche
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How is the server？Is it running normally now？

surreal meadow
# cedar rapids dome shield comes down within 2 seconds of shooting at it wym

one way mitigation isnt fun in high elo, HHM is rampant, 2 Domes / 1 or 2 Meshes / Healbeam
a lot of HP sustain/mitigation. its literally goats from overwatch and theyre trying to stop it

the core issue isnt the HP value /restoration value it can bring, its the fact that you can do it while still dealing damage to enemies solo. mesh is relatively ok

light urchin
rough herald
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final fcking ly bro, why the fck those it take you 3 fcking season to give us static crosshair?

dull quarry
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Good patch

Few issues: Static crosshair is not static. Some animations still affect it. (Running, reloading what i found)

1 Game Breaking bug addressed, like 5 more to go: Randomly having sprint disabled, gateway randomly disabled, steal being interrupt while having a clear sightline esp on moving, statues not spawning when reconnecting to a tournament after next round has started (e.g. you crash loading into final round, ur not actually in final round and then u reconnect and you get no statue)

Rpg not addressed, id make it more destruction focused like it was done with breach and i believe c4 as well

Charge not addressed, 130 out of nowhere feels cheap (if dmg is nerfed, keep the dmg scaling on falling the same cause that actually takes setup and should be rewarded imo)

Model not addressed, it 2 shots medium. You're forced to get close to objectives so you cant just get out of its effective range of like 15m. I suggest making the spread bigger or reducing the damage so mediums dont get 2 shot anymore.

Winch pulling you through 23 parallel universes not addressed (might occur less frequently now that the range is reduced)

World Tour frustration not addressed, only really a minor change. You should get a partial point for reaching second or something, not have the requirement for em1 to be nerfed. But not a bad change, i was creeping close to 75 anyways and im done 2 sessions earlier now because of it.

thorn kelp
#

W PATCH

W DEV TEAM

W GAME 🗣🔥

somber lava
bright wraith
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Dome shield 5.5s ?!?!?! wth.

smoky gust
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Glad to see balance changes again

silent fog
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Winch claws problem wasn't really the range and dome nerf seems pretty harsh. Extra crosshair customization is a huge W tho. Just wish I could have one that stays in the middle of my screen. Also no CnS nerf after 8 months? Cmon guys

stone sentinel
# honest siren I havent played the changes yet, but dome shield was not very strong to begin wi...

I have to agree with @honest siren I can't understand why there would be a need to nerf the one strength of the dome sheild. If it were more then 5.5 secconds i could undertsand the change maybe? But its now less then HALF it's duration used to be. It now provides little to no duration, little to no protection, and it's cooldown if 3x the amount it even lasts for. That's a 20~ second cooldown for a dome that lasts 5 seconds, and gets destroyed anyway in one clip. If it was super strong like the barricade i could understand it's low duration, but it isn't. It's only good quality it's not now is the fact it's a dome, I'd say it could still be used to revive but it'll just get popped mid rez.

More so, @gleaming tide makes some good points. Nerfing abilities and weapons like this is NOT how you balance a game and make if fun. Seeing things like a public beta environment so we can try out changes would be great, so we the community can provide feedback before it becomes a sure thing everyone hates. It would give the community more of a voice and more involvement in the game overall.

stiff phoenix
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Damn Embark hates heavy, huh

copper sphinx
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so what are these nerfs to truly broken things you'd like to see?

violet elbow
#

can we just fix cashout spawns already instead of introducing new respawn rules nobody asked for

mortal notch
red arch
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heavy mains after their extremely oppressive kit gets nerfed: WTF WHY ARENT LIGHTS GETTING NERFED THIS GAME IS SO STUPID.!!!!

teal bear
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Throwing knives did not need a nerf. Nobody good at the game thinks they are oppressive. If you miss one shot your ttk was through the roof and extremely limited range + projectile. Was the trade off. All this does is make the weapon less fun to play.

vale acorn
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As someone who plays mostly light, I think the winch claw nerf for heavy was quite much

deep summit
#

L Update after L Update great work devs

To repliers : this channel is for feedback, not fights; please do not start nor continue in fruitless discussions.

peak moss
#

Hey embark, everyone here hatin but personally, thank you for reading the strong majority’s comments and fixing a lot of stuff! Great patch notes!! The onlyyyy thing I think you should switch back is the respawn time. 15 secs is a litlleeeee too short. Wiping a team in 15 secs is doable it’s just a little difficult. However, I’m excited to try this bonus out because it could waste team coins quickly so it makes strategy a little more interesting. Idk consider it and watch it closely and maybe don’t do anything ab it. It’s not like omg that sucked or omg that was great just throwing out a concern. The other thing would be the dome shield…the health on that thing I think is weak enough to where it doesn’t rlly matter for duration. Maybe consider switching that back too. Thank you again devs for listening to the community!

copper lark
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new crosshair is cool but the main issue was that it moves when u run and jump etc, can we please get an option to turn this off and be truly static?

warm obsidian
quick coyote
sonic raft
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I love that they made the changes to the number of wins for emerald. But were they REALLY not expecting us to get the community event? How were they not ready to release the helmet today during the update?

distant vine
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wtf is this? it alredy gets insta killed by everything. and now 5.5 seconds with basically 200HP? what are you doing balance team. atleast give it more HP so it can survive if your gonna reduce the time

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rough herald
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good update for embark, but thats a very low bar considering they leave us with 5 nothing patch in a row before. not enough balance change and all didn't address any pain point and the 2 exception being tk and hook do too little

sleek python
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Stop nerfing everything in the game that’s why people keep dropping the game

wooden shuttle
quiet quarry
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buff weak things to experiment, only nerf when you know what the problem is

stray rampart
tough sapphire
sleek lintel
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The dome shield nerf was completely unnecessary and 5.5s is way too short. I've been reading people's feedback on this channel for weeks every now and than and have never seen anyone complain about the dome shield.

subtle trail
fathom aurora
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dome shield was fine, embark should focus on fixing problems, not add more of them.

crisp oxide
floral shoal
neat junco
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The dome shields always get anhilated by ehter glitch nates or 3-5 dudes shooting it. Now u dont even have to waste util for it cause it just despawns instantly

warm obsidian
#

can you please fix the ranked season

untold fiber
#

I would love an option to remove all HUD elements in the lobby so I can take sick screenshots with my squad

twilit torrent
lime python
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I want the game to be able to push anything but 45 fps on a laptop

devout fox
#

I think it would be cool to see how many kills you have with each gun. It could have a stat in the equipment tab for each gun saying how much damage / kills you have with it

quick coyote
vague tide
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awesome more heavy nerfs jax_thumpsup

patent wind
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As a heavy main, heavy is still going to be meta dont even yap. Charge and slam is still an instant win button up close, rpg still does 140 damage, sa1216 still 4 pumps mediums and heavies if the heavies took any prior damage even a little. Winch still can move cashouts into advantageous positions. Dome shield is still long enough to beam one or two ppl, and open up fights with a hp advantage

next rock
#

I agree with the nerfs (maybe dome shield was overkill) but how did the model survive another patch without being adjusted?

velvet olive
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I think the changes are completely fine! Heavies, relax! Dome shield still has the same amount of HP, winch claw still does what it does, just not as far. Do not overreact, please give Embark actual feedback to cook with!

I personally think they should’ve started with 7 seconds for Dome shield but they will monitor this channel to see if people need it to go back up at all.

Also Embark, Speaking of dome shield, can you make it so the MGL32 counts 1 bounce when it bounces off of the dome shield, or explodes on it when you hit your second bounce on it? ❤️

rough herald
waxen grove
#

Wtf is happening. At this point just remove heavy class. We don't have any good weapons this season to compete against other classes. Now they nerfed the dome shild and the winch claw????? Whats the logic in this? At least give us faster health regan or revert louis and m60 damage.

distant vine
# tough sapphire I mean its true that 12 secondes was kinda OP (Im heavy main) and i think a nerf...

dome was fine. 12 seconds OP? tell me one time in a fight you have seen that thing last more than 5 seconds? yeah no. didn't think soo. also. the fact that they reduce the time its up. but doesnt buff the HP or make it immune to glitch is wild to me. as it gets insta killed by fire and glitch.
currently the balance team is just tanking random numbers out of thier ass and putting them in game. good job balance team. you really do know how to make the game shittier and shittier every patch.

alpine ginkgo
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Are we playing the same game? Heavy is already the last viable and somehow they get beat up even more with every update

cedar trail
#

35days left in the season. We have had No events, No gamemodes, No map varients. Multiple gadgets never got lvl 6 7 or 8. Las vegas, a map that has been in the game, still does not have powershift. They claim they are focused on makeing the game fun but only add skins. They are constantly "balancing" a game that is supposed to be a game show but completely lacks a competitive experience. They go completely silent before and after patchs. I mean what even is this game? Is there even a roadmap? ORR are we just fly by seat until arc raiders comes out and they can abandon the game?

silent fog
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No glitch mine nerf, no cns nerf. Range wasn't the reason winch is op. Overnerfed Dome. TKs still way too strong. What was the point of this patch? The only W is more customization for crosshairs...

abstract ravine
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Dome shield already disintegrates in .2 picoseconds from any sustained fire what was the point of this nerf, it was perfect where it was at disgusting

quick coyote
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Winch nerf was good but I don’t think dome shield needed what it got, there’s other more problematic aspects of heavy like the charge n slam ability, low cooldown, multi hits on 1 target make it extremely strong

turbid kiln
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Dome shield didn't need any nerf. Thanks to this update you can no longer grab totem from distance. For exemple I used to grab the totems of my dead team mate from an upper floor or a small distance. The distance was always between 14 to 17 m. With this update this use of the claw is just useless.
Thanks embarks the heavy is now useless. At least they nerf the throwing knife a little bit, took them only 2 months...
There is still the dagger one shotting you when the light is facing you due to server lag...

vale acorn
#

I have a good guess the dome was getting used too much in power shift and maybe the devs wanted to designate it mostly for revives or steal captures/decrypt

Shield dome has never been an issue and many will migrate to barricade as a result

deep mantle
#

This shows a lack of understanding that heavy is only overpowered when paired with a medium. Healbeam and defib get rid of heavies weaknesses by making them virtually invulnerable. Trust me, I'm an overwatch player and have seen first hand how OP support abilities can ruin a game. Heal beams strength needs to be drastically reduced, and defib I just cant see being fair in any iteration. It needs to be removed

gleaming lance
# cedar trail 35days left in the season. We have had No events, No gamemodes, No map varients....

If you didn't know this season was a kind of "filler" season because most of embark has been on vacation during this time. Next season should return to the kind of content we saw in s1 and s2. The devs don't go silent before and after patches—they actually often chat to people in this discord. Embark doesn't believe in roadmaps (prolly cause it causes stress for the team and would just end up making them release broken things that aren't ready yet). Arc Raiders and The Finals have two separate teams that focus only on their game so The Finals isn't affected by Arc Raiders at all

elfin dock
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Embark I swear you guys are going TO LOSE A LOT OF PLAYER WITH THESE UNECESSARY NERFS ,you guys will be the reason if this game dies not the game itself.You guys Ruined the game with these nerfs like really wth man You are making heavy as hard to play as possible.Heavy will be a joke now.WINCH CLAW NERF WILL MAKE SLEDGEHAMMER USELESS.

quick coyote
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If you were gonna nerf Heavy you could have at least buffed the M60 and Lewis Gun by like +1 damage or something.

Still good patch with the crosshair stuff and bug fixes, not gonna be ungrateful I guess.

robust nexus
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Patch L. Nerfs to the dome shield won't even last long enough to cover a cash out steal even though it's PAPER THIN HEALTH ANYWAY. winch claw nerfed wrong, the range rewards skilled precision. You should have nerfed cool down instead. Really big L. I don't even want to log in tonight when. I barely started to come back for s3 and now I don't want to.

inner grotto
honest siren
frail spear
#

Bro at this point dome shield in kaka

crisp oxide
#

Jesus speaks for his heavy people when needed. this tragedy shall not stand. GIVE US BACK THE DOME SHIELD EMBARK! LET MY PEOPLE FRE!

sleek lintel
#

it now feels like it's a waste of ammo to shoot at the Dome Shield at all. you can just wait for it to despawn now

velvet olive
cedar trail
# gleaming lance If you didn't know this season was a kind of "filler" season because most of emb...

So a filler season means 3 months of nothing? I refuse to belive its so hard to make a gamemode that they couldnt even throw together a simple "all shotguns" or "melee only" gamemode. I understand that arc and finals are differnt Dev teams but that doesnt mean that they dont take resources away to work on other games. Lastly if they talk with people in the disc, its most likely people giving poor feedback or selctive feeback as to not upset them. I highly doubt they are even considering the opinions of anyone, proven by the horrible nerfs that no sane person would ask for. I love the game and truly want it to succeed but 600hrs into a game where not one of my concerns have been addressed is concerning. The single biggest issue is the servers. There are so many places they could take this game but right now, its just a glorified outfit simulator.

cold stag
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It’s great that they “fixed” the WT grind but I think it would be best at 40 wins

neat junco
vague tide
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can't wait for the next update to just straight up remov heavy.

fickle thunder
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I sincerely hope there are some BUFFS on the horizon. really, really. at this point, every class will be un-fun to play. i'm a MEDIUM main and it's been nerfed into the ground. unless you run shotgun (which i don't like using in any game) then the viability of a medium is severely reduced.

DEMATERIALIZER - seriously needs a depth buff. i'm running into walls with another wall behind it on every map.

DATA RESHAPER - allow it to be used while glitched. no one uses it anyway, so may as well give it a solid buff.

FCAR - put back to how it was in S1 and S2. 20 bullets, higher damage. keep the recoil if it makes you happy.

AKM - buff bullet damage by 1.

i've been thinking a lot about what a medium is without the heal beam and defib. a second way to play is as a field reshaper. so demat with data reshaper allow me to come in and change the set ups from other teams.

i play other classes too (even got those 150 wins achievements with all classes), but truly vibe with the medium.

let me say, i LOVE this game. there is no other game like it on the market. there are A LOT of loud people complaining and begging for nerfs to this, nerfs to that. however, too much substraction and you'll be left in the negative. please ADD (aka buff) to the meta. balance the already strong weapons by making other weapons stronger.

molten trail
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Crazy how a lot of people complained about RPG then they randomly nerfed dome shield when not a soul complained about it LOOOL. I dont even play heavy and that nerf was pointless. Same with the lewis. People dont like RPG, “oK lEtS nErF tHe LeWiS” ???

stray rampart
plucky tiger
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Can a Dev please explain the reasoning behind the crosshair and even the static one not being actually static. Why do you make it bob around when moving? What is the point and what is this trying to accomplish? This is a competative shooter, the center dot should be center screen static at all times. I understand having a bloom portion of the reticle. But why does the dot move when you move? Please for the love of god change this. Make the crosshair truly static.

brisk wolf
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ADD SBMM IN TOURNAMENT, IM TIRED OF SILVERS AND BRONZES IN MY TEAM

amber lake
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Why the hell am I going against emeralds in silver 2

rough herald
ember dirge
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Full auto Glock (MAYBE DUAL) for light or medium Lever action rifle (MAYBE WITH FIRE OR SHOCKER AMMO) for light or medium

Deagle or DSR/MSR semi auto rifle or tommy gun or mp40 or FAL for medium

PPSH or Stoner 63 or BAR or musket for heavy

MY TOP PICKS IF ONE FOR EACH WOULD BE

FULL AUTO DUAL WIELD GLOCKS LIGHT

COMMENT IF YOU AGREE

WE NEED THE B A R

turbid kiln
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Embark when it comes to balancing the game based on player feedback

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sharp briar
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NEW COSMETICS ARE FIRE!!!! HARD WORKING DEVS!!!

sonic raft
scenic basin
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Um, the coin change came with a funny bug

drowsy cargo
rain drum
unreal plaza
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Dome shield has not been a relevant issue at all, for anyone vaguely competitive. Do you think people want to quit the game from getting flamethrowered/chargenslammed/sledgehammered more, or needing to take 1 singular clip to completely destroy a dome shield?

All of heavies most powerful specialties and weapons right now take the least amount of skill in the game and do insane amounts of damage. I genuinely dont understand what lowering the time on a dome does. not even lasting the length of a full cashout steal is insane. anyone that didnt download the game yesterday, especially if its more then a single person shooting it, can destroy a dome almost as soon as the dome thrower pulls the gun back out. its health is already low enough, seriously what weird statistics have you found that makes you think someone using a dome shouldnt be rewarded for the enemies just never taking 3 seconds to shoot it out

I understand though, shooting or running in vaguely the direction of the enemy to kill the insanely quick with weapons and specialties that have no skill shouldnt be nerfed and are good for the health of the game, dome shield is what we need to focus on nerfing, a utility that actually needs someone to use their brain to deploy at the right time and hold left click at for a few seconds to break

rapid stream
fleet socket
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Dome shield should last for 7 or 7.5 unless destroyed, most of the time using dome shield beforehand it would be broken in less than 5 secs of shooting at it now it's not up long enough to even have a chance to be broken

valid cradle
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Nerfing dome shield proves how out of touch these devs are. Like I can’t believe it man. LMAO this is like the 4th nerf to this thing, why would I even run it anymore. It’s not like an xp54 couldn’t melt it already in 1.3 seconds… you guys blow my mind with these braindead changes

keen lily
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custom crosshairs, FINALLY!!! now if you could also fix the bug where the game needs changing video settings, because even though it says the effects are on low, you can see the motion blur unless you change it to medium and back to low, same with other video settings. Resetting everything after each game launch is annoying as hell

rocky comet
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I literally see people outplay snipers with the xp-54

Give more damage fall off but nope. They want to nerf dome lmao

zenith tundra
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Can you stop nerfing everything? The dome shield is unnecessary. Nobody asked for that.

zealous mural
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meta of annoying lights > nerf heavy in the most unfun way possible. instead of making a dom not allowing to shoot from inside(like in overwatch or apex) you made it useless. You are literally taking 1 by 1 steps of how to make your game not fun at all from Helldivers 2 devs, i swear. fucking pathetic

vapid sequoia
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When playing solo, carrying new people and losing at the final. it sucks alot

broken geyser
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The Lewis gun needs to be buffed and the c4 should go back to its S1 state with 2 chargers and more damage

storm inlet
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can we get a fix about teams respawn during cashouts ? Most of the time, only one cashout is used for the entire teams

shrewd tundra
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simple ui to add, tell the player what round they are in the game, i forget sometimes lol

wind meteor
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Requesting a better QOL for the Guardian Turret

I would really like to be able to see the health of my turret at all time after I place it. Maybe it should be added to the UI.
Also when pressing Q, I need the turret to be highlighted like opponents are with a sonar grenade. So that I can see where amd how far it is for close recolletion.

I fail many times to retrieve my turret at the right time when it's being shot, because I don't realise it s being shot. And many times I lose it, because someone broke its support, and it has moved away.

shy sphinx
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Winch -Seems like they should have reduces like 2 or 3m not 5 to just stop those super far grabs. I'm afraid it becomes too close only now and defeats the purpose to close gaps with it. I agree it shouldn't be long range but def medium. Not just close what is point in a close range hook??

nocturne sand
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Devs, if you’re going to nerf things, try a slight nerf and see how it performs instead of making it un-usable and feel like absolute dog shit

Also done shield has a DIRECT COUNTER in the game in glitch barrels and glitch grenades (shooting it, especially team shots also takes 2 seconds and it was a non-issue)

5.5 seconds? Can’t even last for a steal? What’s the thought process here

5.5 seconds a light can now just disengage and regen their health in almost the same amount of time (1.5s longer) and then re-engage the heavy and get shots off to stop their regen

stray rampart
steep spear
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Make the scar good again please, and please focus on the real issue in the game “LIGHTS”

last swift
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Great update, but I do feel as though the dome shield nerf was a bit harsh. Not much of a point in using it at all now.

digital anvil
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Why does embarck put those emeral loser with The People who just wanna have fun???

charred seal
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Embark be treating their players as game testers for their games.

fickle mango
cold stag
# rain drum The WT grind is for good players who can get consistent wins, not for players li...

Dude the wt grind was (and I’m pretty sure still is) impossible at the start, if you were to start from bronze four you would have to get 3 wins a day consistently for 46 days when I last checked you would have to play 2 and a half or so hours to get all 3 wins and considering a win rate of 33% then you have to spend 6-7 HOURS A DAY GRINDING FOR EMERALD ONE, Plus solo queue is the single worst thing for trying to get emerald in world tour without good teammates. I have seen Reddit threads and YouTube videos criticizing how impossible the grind is, idk if I could put links but I will try https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1enayv4/want_emerald_i_did_the_math_on_world_tour/ https://youtu.be/BDAwySGOrxo?si=xyZ4Yz8m3EpsM-8p

dry raft
terse flower
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every update is making cashout worse than it was

somber nymph
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can we get a sticker that says input text??

solemn fulcrum
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Day 2 of asking to neft healing beam and stop putting solos against parties

weak valley
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Powershift needs Vegas

scenic elk
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Allowing players to assign team colors would fix the colorblind mode flaws

median mango
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can you make healing beam also have the team color?

cold lotus
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EMBARK WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING BUFF DOME SHIELD

hexed night
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So nerfing the wench and dome shield ??? Who thought this was a good idea ??? Heavy is literally unplayable now

warm compass
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we need buff for heaby not nerf to the ground gtom 12 to 5 are you crazy

alpine ginkgo
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75% of every match is light players but you think heavy is the problem?

silent fog
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The dome doesn't even last a full steal of a cash out anymore LMAO, why did they nerf it this hard? Nobody asked for a dome nerf. Stop spinning a random wheel on what to buff and nerf...

@granite delta LMAOOOO They are so clueless wtf

uncut gull
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Dear Oscar,

Have you considered changing the way you stream The Finals? Instead of jumping into matches yourself, how about featuring a "Team of the Day" and hosting a friendly competition? You could invite players who are interested in joining your live stream to compete in a private custom match, while you take on the role of a spectator to watch and comment on the gameplay. If a team wins, you could reward the lucky winners with prizes, like in-game items or The Finals t-shirts. You can decide how many matches to hold, depending on what works best for you. Just be sure to stock up on those rewards! I hope you have a blast with the live streams!

honest siren
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nice, atleast Kyoto, everybodies LEAST favorite map is still in rotation in world tour

stray rampart
zealous kettle
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Another patch that shows their incompetence. Dome was not a issue. Fix a real issue, like the glitch trap... or rework winch to not work on players instead of some stupid range nerf.

modest trench
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Maybe they should nerf Light's cloaking device! 13 seconds is too long and just annoying!

viscid sapphire
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12s to 5.5s on the dome shield is a big L.

rough herald
ionic grail
# cold stag Dude the wt grind was (and I’m pretty sure still is) impossible at the start, if...

Emerald 1 was never impossible.
The emerald grind was never impossible.
If you started in the last week and never touched the mode before then you either A.) didn’t see it as a good enough time commitment B.) aren’t skilled enough to win the tournaments or C.) you didn’t find value in the skins / mode

Not everything should be attainable for everyone, you aren’t entitled to have a chance at every skin or item in the game.

Exclusivity on skins and such is a good thing.

cold stag
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Before the update I did the math for myself on how long it would take me to reach emerald 1 from the points i was at right instead of sleeping like a dum a, (around middle of silver 4) and at minimum time I would spend if I won every game assuming they are 40 minutes each then it would take 72 HOURS FOR ME TO REACH EMERALD ONE. But factoring that I got like a 33% win rate it would take around 216 HOURS, THAT IS ALMOST 6 HOURS A DAY ON THE FINALS AND (was) 109 WINS MINIMUM. The math is outdated now and I appreciate embark for lowering the amount of wins needed but i still think they need to address the emerald rank more and handle the problem of solo queueing (cause it’s impossible to determine if you get good teammates before you start a game, I AM NOT SAYING TO ADD SKILL BASED MATCHMAKING ANYTHING BUT THAT, I’m talking about something like a bonus for winning the final round or something if you solo queued. Or something to help solo queue)

timid pumice
young turtle
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Still petitioning to have the Emerald Gun Skin selector on Emerald 3. Seems kinda unfair that Medium mains need to grind more than any other mains.

Let people select which gun they want to receive first then if you want to collect, reach Emerald 1 for all of em.

somber axle
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  • Make C4 have 2 charges again
  • Revert dome shield nerf
  • Buff KS-23
  • Pls buff m60 damage
  • Buff MGL 32
  • Reduce the recoil for Lewis Gun
  • Buff CL-40
  • Give smoke grenades to medium
  • Fix The Ranking system (+230 Rs on win and on the next game when i lose its a loss of -1184???? what?!?!?)
  • Make a feature to select the Season music
untold cypress
quiet quarry
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just got kyoto 4 times in a row... feeling great
also love how model can two shot M and revolver can't 2 tap to the head

dull elm
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Who decided to give more crosshair customizability AND NOT ADD A SETTING TO HAVE A STATIC ONE

uncut goblet
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there is a static one

rare stump
tame pivot
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heavies trying not to cry when the devs decides they can't win by pressing one button ( CHALLENGE IMPOSSIBLE )

static wolf
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woke up to heavy nerfs into the ground while light knives get a tiny fire rate change. at this rate I cant wait for season 4 to peak 20k players

lament sable
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Theres a bug with coining right now where they dont get used

dull mirage
hardy bridge
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Why did they nerf the dome again

ember breach
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Please just stop nerfing stuff, buff things instead. The game is reaching a point where nothing is fun to use

pale fossil
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Add old Lewis gun recoil and stop nerfing mesh. You still haven’t made it to where wench doesn’t go through a fucking mesh. Devs do better

daring fossil
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Updated the Mini Roulette skin for the Lewis Gun to make it compatible with animation customizations

There's like 4-5 guns that aren't compatible with custom animations for literally no reason, can you fix those too? I don't even understand why you guys do half job fixes like this all the time. Why do 1 gun and not all of them?

honest siren
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the decrease in amount of wins required for emerald 1 isnt even a super big one, but its about the principle, how we had a defined amount that we would have to reach and now its been changed because some people complained about it.

honestly i dont think it would have been any better if the number was raised instead of lowered.

but the other issue that comes up with lowering it, is that it was changed in favor of the casual playerbase, so more people could get emerald 1, more people would have the skin, makes it less rare, and is really an insult to people who were grinding for emerald 1. Just off principle.

Who okayed this? thats the question. Who is in charge of these changes. smh

warm compass
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why you have in game heavy if you keep nerfing heavy unplayable so i cant now revive without a hit lol 12 to 5 you kill him

abstract ravine
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Modern game dev try to make a fun experience without nerfing it all into the ground a year after release challenge. It seriously feels like not a single studio right now understands this. Helldivers, COD for years, Fortnite when it was in its hayday, and now this. There needs to be a genuine case study for games that take perfectly good mechanics and try to balance it through overcompensating.

coral cairn
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The fact dash still has iframes(WHICH WORKS WHILE STEALING BTW) and stun gun still cancels stealing is fucking insane

spring crane
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New japanese map has too many micro stutters

wise jolt
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why are there so many aim assist console bots in my lobbies now?

pseudo latch
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Yall aren’t getting a minigun post today.

Free my boy heavy he doesn’t deserve all this shit.

next rock
charred seal
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Embark, please get people to play test your balance changes before you put them out. Don't treat your player base as game testers or lab rats who will play these changes and give you feedback (most of them which are just based on skill issue) and you just change them. Hire some experienced people who can actually look into what needs balancing and what doesn't and play test it before you release it to the public, please.

dreamy badge
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This change for the dome shield to be only 5 seconds is utterly mind boggling. I will play with before calling this change truely bad, but I do not think this blasted gadget was in need of further nerfing. This seems beyond excessive

dapper geode
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so the issue is embark wants a triple light to be meta so they are subtly training us all that nerfing heavy and medium is ok

storm siren
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Devs are out of touch with their own game it’s sad this game used to be so fun.
Now everything is so nerfed and everything feels bad to use.

timid parrot
regal cairn
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make the respawn use tokens in wt. if you have a cashout u dont use tokens with a faster respawn? to me that absurd it give anyone with a brain the idea to start a cashout and just agro harder on another. idk if its a bug that tokens arent being used but this decision is more of a aggressive choice. thanks for the Throwing knife nerfs and goo. dome shield didnt need a nerf btw

remote drum
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agreed, this update was a terrible one

prisma raptor
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Why in gods name would you nerf the dome shield that badly?? When no one complained??

sonic wigeon
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LOL it really shows the devs have no clue about the game. Nerfing dome shield for absolutley no reason. It was never OP. L2DEV

crystal umbra
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W lava skin

tiny owl
merry anvil
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The nerfs were so unnecessary lol

amber bear
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Hey Embark. How about you stop listening to statistics and actually listen to the people that play your game. I guarantee you not one dev is reading these chats. There Egos too big. The dome nerf is actually insanity. They have to not play there own game 😂. When guns like the XP and the model are dominating high Elo Games. Nerf heavy again.

misty jasper
last swift
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Please look at reworking the accuracy of smgs. How do they have better accuracy at range than the ARs?

elder bear
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Looks at complaints* complaints are strictly on lights being OP* DESTROYS THE WEAKEST CLASS HEAVY

sacred siren
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why did dome get nerfed so hard? it takes longer to throw the damn thing than it is up for now. please play the game before you make changes. data doesnt mean anything if you're not linking player enjoyment with it

tiny spruce
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When can we solve the disgusting task of "stop opponents from stealing cachout 15 times"? Countless people have commented on the weirdness of this decision and the difficulty of this task. I have also responded, but I have not responded at all in the past two weeks. I have kept this task for 3/15 of more than three weeks, I hope this task will be changed, it is a disgusting task, it will not make me want to play the game more, it will make me feel upset because I did not get full rewards, so that I finally give up paying for this game.

solemn pivot
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Im so glad heavy got nerfed

topaz ledge
# stark pilot Lower range more damage, More accuracy more damage, it's simple thinking about...

you haven't been in any medium range fights. medium range is where most gun fights happen. with the 1887, the spread is tight enough to deal 128 damage at mid range. your simple logic indicates that you haven't reached any rank higher than plat. all gun fights don't happen at long range, indoor fights exist you know. you don't even play medium, and I have hundreds of hours on medium, so i'd like to think that I have more experience than you do. 1887 is the #1 counter against lights as a medium, in high skill lobbies. also, the range is not the problem, the spread is. at long range, an akm can deal more damage compared to 1887 due to accuracy, but the damage dropoff makes it ineffective, thats why medium thrives in mid range. in mid range, 1887 dominates, that is my point. next time dont just google translate my message and ask someone to read it to you if you want to really understand.

daring fossil
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Throwing Knife right-click is still useless, there are zero use case scenarios where it's a better idea to use right-click over left click. The enemy is dead with left click before the right-click gets thrown. Maybe if it had better headshot damage, but there's no point. You can kill a light with 1 left-click to the head, why waste 2 seconds winding up a throw to potentially miss (and then are delayed from throwing your basic attack). Mediums also take another basic attack after being headshotted by a right-click. It makes zero sense.

silent fog
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A dome nerf but not a model, CnS, RPG, glitch mine nerf. You guys must be spinning a random wheel on what to nerf. Good job on adressing what is ruining the game rn, definitely the dome shield that takes less than a mag from any gun to destroy. How are you guys this out of touch and clueless, and its your game.

shy breach
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why can’t i use keyboard on console

tardy jacinth
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RPG has needed a nerf for a while,
Lewis recoil change should be reverted

robust nexus
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NERF L. Very disheartening.

zenith tundra
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If you are gonna keep nerfing heavy, at least give us the old recoil pattern for the Lewis Gun

dusty igloo
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The hit reg is worse then SoT

brittle harness
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i didn't test it yet but the nerf to the dome is an implicit nerf to glitch nade too

paper hare
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The cited reason for nerfing the dome shield shows that you don't understand what makes the game fun. Last minute steals are what keeps the game exciting. "Securing the area first" just means you guys want the finals to play like every other shooter in the market.

charred seal
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I think adding a mode where each time has only 1H 1M 1L would be great from a competitive perspective. There can be an unranked tournament mode where people can run MMM MMH HHM or whatever they want. This will make players play all classes and probably give alot of balance to the game.

stray rampart
gleaming urchin
misty jasper
# daring fossil Throwing Knife right-click is still useless, there are zero use case scenarios w...

It is not useless. You can stay in cover while you charge your R click and peak out of cover to hit opponents instead of having to stay out of cover to use L click. You just don't know how to use the R click. Don't call it useless.

Plus you can also fake out heavy shields. If they’re holding it up and you charge a R click instead of spamming L, they might let go of it and you can get a hit in

rain epoch
sharp kraken
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The meta is using dome shield to steal a cashout. That shit is braindead as fuck. Time to use your brains and secure the cashout before stealing

abstract coyote
regal cairn
sonic spoke
twin hatch
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add a 3v3 mode and make that ranked, keep world tour the same prizes wise with skins n stuff and a leaderboard for the casuals and then you can add fun modifiers every 2 weeks like originally planned, pleases both comp and casual sides

somber axle
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  • Make C4 have 2 charges again
  • Revert dome shield nerf
  • Buff KS-23
  • Pls buff m60 damage
  • Buff MGL 32
  • Reduce the recoil for Lewis Gun
  • Buff CL-40
  • Give smoke grenades to medium
  • Fix The Ranking system (+230 Rs on win and on the next game when i lose its a loss of -1184???? what?!?!?)
  • Make a feature to select the Season music
molten loom
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It was so obvious and common sense that RPGs, Model, and XP needed a nerf, yet you guys decided to implement a nonsensical reduction in dome duration. This has to be a joke.

solid heath
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the flamethrower fire skin is underwhelming vs ak skin, it doesnt get all orange and firey for the flamethrower vs ak, why?

daring fossil
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they are never going to fix the crosshair, it's been like this since alpha and they are hell bent on having a crosshair that doesn't actually represent where you are shooting in a fast paced shooter lol.

@brittle obsidian game has zero consistency. I can't throw red barrels through a shield, yet a winch claw can just yoink people out from behind them, makes sense.

brittle obsidian
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Nerfing an offmeta weapon that only sees usage in quickplay while letting winch go through shields and ignore glitch still is crazy

cold stag
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Man I have a job now and I gotta go back to high school and this season is the most I had played out of any season (almost 150 hours)

sullen tangle
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OPINION: At the end of each round of the tournament, the game should show a few highlights from the best teams so showcase who is moving on

junior holly
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Defending cashout coins are broken. When you respawn it doesnt use any coins

muted gazelle
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I like looking at numbers. Give me something to look at when I open my stats, not just Wins, Losses, Kills, Deaths but everything. Healing, assists this that

violet matrix
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again asking for events in the "digital money" mode to revive it since nobody plays it and it is one of my favorite modes.

agile jacinth
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The new crosshairs are dope

fallow basin
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will there be 120hz support for console in the future?

tame nimbus
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Does anyone know how to cause damage to arena with carriables like I know how to do it but the game isn't saying that I am causing any damage even tho I have already caused 40,000 damage already

shy smelt
cedar burrow
gritty umbra
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i love hopping in terminal because the devs thought playing 9 rounds of a game mode i hate was a good challenge for circuts, i absolutely love both my team and the enemy team all going light.fuck this game mode and fuck whoever thought it was a good idea to include this dog shit gamemode

timber sage
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Thank you so much for the crosshair update! I like how usable it is in both dark and light environments now, the different shapes I feel also help with close range combat for some guns too

surreal meadow
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reducing the tanks class tankiness was a step in the right direction, now how about we nerf the tank classes damage, when it clearly out-performs the damage classes job

light = damage & disable
medium = support & sustain
heavy = tank & mitigation (winch, rpg, charge are issues, it does lights job but better)

yet heavy can tank AND damage, wonder why overwatch had this issue. increase lights health, decrease damage / decrease heavy health, lower heavy util damage, increase recoil control

dry wraith
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I liked the balance changes but the player selection still needs improvement

alpine pier
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I don't know if this is the right channel for this but I have been having big issues with lag recently and can't get it figured out. I've done speed tests and they are showing fine. Any help?

zenith tundra
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Static reticle is a huge w

oak kernel
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rip heavy

uncut valve
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i want more gun buffs

quiet quarry
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5 kyotos in a row can you fix your game

wooden shuttle
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Kyoto 5 ttimes in a row please remove this trash from the map pool

opal ocean
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The dome shield change is stupid. Please revert it.

pseudo breach
cold stag
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We need a finals vinyl record, I’m telling you embark the sales will go crazy!

static wolf
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game would be better with a cl or gl tshirt cannon skin

clever marlin
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Give us duel wield pistols

dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider for controller settings

untold haven
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these MGL heavies getting too comfortable we gotta buff APS

rustic patrol
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Is it just me lads, or we're getting too much new packs in the store for money, and 0 small events for any clothing or weapon skins? Like what happened to 'Steal the spotlight' and 'Smoking guns' types of events?

last swift
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When somebody gets dfibbed their (loading) body should not block shots. The medium can just stand behind them and nobody takes damage.

stark pilot
# topaz ledge you haven't been in any medium range fights. medium range is where most gun figh...

First, my English is bad I know, it's my fault. I'll try my best. If you want to find fault with me and make me better is OK.
Second, did you think AKM or Fcar should shoot someone from 50m and at the same times he can against shot gun in 10m ? Maybe your opponent never stand on roof, suspend structure or movement platform to against the M1887 or just jumpping in the sky and shoot the target consistently, so you still think the M1887 is better than rifle. XDDDD.
Rifle can suit any situation and M1887 only has advantage in indoor 1v1 fight with massive risk.
Did you never seen any The finals contest? Medium always take AKM, FCAR, even R.357, range fight best fight range for Medium and the noob just cry for M1886 kill him with two shot.
I have 2000h FPS experience, 500hr in The Finals and main to play sword, I have been kill by M1887 often and hated to against it with my sword, but I still think AKM of Fcar is more powerful than M1887, because I considering always can do more thing and do it better with AKM of Fcar or any other rifle like Flatline, R301, Soldier 76, R4-c. Range rifle is always the mainstream choose in FPS, The finals is no exception.
If you hate the shot gun and say " Why this gun can do the damage like hammer in 10m, it is broken! " Think sniper ! How many people choose sniper in cash out? It can do 115 damage in 50m. It is broken, and destroy The Finals. XDDD
M1887 is fine and skillful. Maybe is most balance weapon in the Finals. Just practicing and learning, most of weapon have his charm like dagger, sword, riot shield, M1887 or hammer, don't just complaint.

misty jasper
frail spear
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PLEASE bring back old dome shield time, or atleast make it like 10s, dome shield have low hp anyway and it can get destroyed in few shots fr

clever spruce
#

Why am I banned for 2 hours after I rejoined a game

bleak nexus
#

day 99999 of saying THIS ISNT OKAY TO DO TO SOLO QUE PLAYERS. I LOSE 1100 FOR GOING 18-8? WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?

DO NOT PUT GOLDS ON MY TEAM, MAKE ME WAIT FOR A GAME. 20k ELO DIFFERENCE IS UNACCEPTABLE. NO COMPETITIVE INTEGRITY WHATSOEVER. ITS RANKED, NOT QUICKPLAY.

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median mango
#

you're supposed to not play TA

gritty umbra
lilac grail
#

Add knockback to certain explosives. I.E. C4 and explosive mines.

Allows for moving cashouts on classes that struggle to do so and some fun factor for booping people off the map with a well timed C4.

dull mirage
#

Dear Embark, Thank you O thank you for nerfing dome shield, I can't believe in 2024 we had a character with a bubble shield ability they could shoot through jesus christ how did that get past playtesting in the first place

topaz ledge
# stark pilot First, my English is bad I know, it's my fault. I'll try my best. If you want to...

i dont hate the 1887, i use it myself but i still think its overpowered. i use the akm because its more versatile but the 1887 still is more powerful against mediums in mid or close range fights, which are 70% of the fights im in, since we can't always play range against 1887. if you check the finals ttk chart, the model has the same ttk for light and medium, 2 shot. but akm and fcar have vastly different ttks for light and medium.

also @misty jasper its not about knowledge, its about experience, which is indicated by hours. also the current wt climate is that 3 stack mediums often run 1887 in a medium heavy lobby. because it has much better risk reward ratio compared to an automatic weapon

both of you, im not going to go into it, but if you want me to write an in depth about shotguns vs ars i will, but trust my experience both playing with and against each weapon with each weapon. also the statistics support my view, check the ttk chart

silent grove
#

give 0,5 win points for 2nd place when grinding emerald @cerulean birch ye that would work too

kindred cosmos
#

Anything can happen at THE FINALS! Even 5.5 second Dome Shield duration!

tropic slate
#

Yo guys, so we have done the helmet, how can we receive it??

cerulean birch
ivory swallow
#

Why do they nerf the game's frenzy with every update?

plain lotus
#

Way to many CL40 skins, not enough AKM skins

junior holly
misty jasper
# topaz ledge i dont hate the 1887, i use it myself but i still think its overpowered. i use t...

Yeah, but using “experience” as a reason that your opinion is the right one is not viable. Everyone has their own experiences, as I also trust my own experience that AKs are much more consistent than the 1887 in winning mid range fights. TTK is not everything either. Range, ammo count, fire rate, reload speed, headshot multiplier, dmg fall off, are all factors that the 1887 lacks compared to an AR. Your entitled to your opinion and I can see how some ppl might find the model op, but imo it is one of the most balanced weapons in the game. It just has more spotlight after they kinda killed the FCAR (in terms of dominance)

@maiden anchor @tropic slate
they said it would be in our inventory later

yeah sounds like a skill issue if you’re losing that much to 1887 then. Or you just can’t play other weapons as well. @molten loom

and I supported mine as well. “1887 is op” is not an objective statement. There are way more factors than just the “proof” that you listed, such as the factors that I listed which you haven’t addressed. With so many different variables in play such as maps, n number of classes in a game, game mode, etc, your statement is not “objective”. So yes, it is an opinion.

maiden anchor
nimble gale
west zinc
#

The new performance optimizations added today are HUGE. 40 FPS gain even on Kyoto is a game changer

surreal meadow
# nimble gale May as well remove Heavy completely.

i have played ow in the height of goats/double shield. its all you see in top WT (HHM). how to fix it?

make the tank class, heavy, a fucking tank; not an oversized DPS

i should not be able to mindlessly walk into a fight, have the light get the drop on me with glitch grenade and first shot, AND me still be able to out DPS the light

olive coral
#

Whats with the matchmaking? Im bronze 2 and get matches against full emerald teams?

molten loom
copper lark
#

Can we look at medium heal and defib please? Could use a rework or nerf

eternal wigeon
#

Can y'all stop nerfing everything? Why not buff weapons and gadgets instead to make them more interesting when making a loadout, it would make alot more sense but nooo, we can't have nice things anymore apparently, each one being nerfed one by one to all be the same mediocre level of usability.

topaz ledge
# misty jasper Yeah, but using “experience” as a reason that your opinion is the right one is n...

okay, but its less of an opinion and more of a objective statement that is backed by facts and experience. if someone else has a different view, i argue that mine is correct using proof and credibility. if I say the earth is flat and you say no, but I am 7 years old and from my time on earth, it seems flat to me. so experience does make a difference. that person doesnt even play medium. and the statement about 1887 being overpowered isnt really an opinion, its a nuanced fact, that can be interpreted differently based on experience. I supported my point.

@misty jasper bro i know my opinion isn't always correct, but in this case it is. I reached plat in under 100 hours after first playing this game. I am a diamond level player who consistently performs in high skill lobbies. stop being a social justice warrior who is trying to defend what seems like someone being "battered" in a chat when they are objectively wrong. it doesn't sound like you are a great player either, so leave your opinion of of this. I haven't explained all the factors because you wouldn't understand them and i am not gonna bother taking the time to list them all out. sit down a notch and stay there.

i really didnt want to play that card but you forced my hand

@misty jasper ok fine i'll say it explicitly, there are no absolutes, maybe for you the akm has a better outcome than 1887. but it's implied, ofc the 1887 isn't always better than akm in every single situation. but in a large majority of them, it is. I thought you would be above the "actually... 🤓 " tactic. keep your bronze arguments out of the feedback channel when its not representative of competitive play

if you really want to argue semantics, sure ill play along. you said its not just about ttk, well its not just about worse weapon characteristics. it has the most damage per mag, most damage potential, and better combat effectiveness due to: faster counter strafing, hipfire, range, spread...

brittle obsidian
vital hatch
#

my hot take is that sonar should be removed from terminal attack just solely because it’s terminal attack

it’s free intel that clears out a whole room with no counter, even in a similar shooter like r6 something like this (lion) would have an easy weak point that sonar is just missing

pseudo gate
amber bear
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Embark, Dome nerf was out of touch. You can make some so you can’t shoot out of it. You know. Actually balanced. Instead of making it last less than a steal

alpine pier
rough storm
#

spawns in the finale round are rediculous, EVERY finale i spawn +250m away while the other team spawns 50m with a cashout right next to them aswell

tame pivot
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the idea that the model 1887 is balanced is insane, there was a tournament going on 2 weeks ago out of 52 medium build across 13 maps 41 ( 78% ) of them were using the model, the model 1887 outclasses any other medium gun by a mile, closing the distance in this game is not a problem when you can just throw a jump pad down and ape

median mango
quick coyote
#

Add a mango charm

dense marlin
#

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider for controller settings !!!

stark pilot
# topaz ledge okay, but its less of an opinion and more of a objective statement that is backe...

Doesn't even play Medium? hahahahaha
Does you sever never play range weapon in cash out? Or all of you opponent never stand on roof, suspend structure or movement platform and take you down? That is crazy XD.
If you cannot be persuaded, stop wasting our time, have a your good experience with The Finals and just complaint M1887 is overpower.
Maybe S4 the new rank online will explain anything

@tame pivot Evidence? 3 days ago a community tournament in China name FCL had finish. On Bilibili, 16 teams ,double-elimination tournament, mode is cash out.
No one take M1887 and most of medium content play AKM or Fcar. And the final winner team his medium player play R.357 with crazy headshot rate.
Here is proof .
https://space.bilibili.com/482017262/video

scarlet sedge
#

Idea for improving cashout games:
You can make the cashout station work like an APS for the DEFENDING TEAM ONLY. This will prevent dome shields of stealing teams from being deployed on the cashout station and will further incentivize defending a cashout rather than swooping and third partying everyone. This will also help the defending team's mines and other traps from being destroyed by projectiles or other thrown gadgets making it harder for stealing teams to just come in and have a clean attempt at stealing the cashout. Teams would then do everything in their power to start a cashout first.
Also, if the cashout stations are not active, it should act as an APS against EVERY TEAM so campers would be deterred.
Then you can revert the nerf to the dome shield so it works well during fights, but still avoid it being used for stealing objectives

misty jasper
# tame pivot the idea that the model 1887 is balanced is insane, there was a tournament going...

You can’t except the AKM, FCAR, and FAMAS to be better at a shotgun at close range, which I know you don’t considering you mention how unfair it is to have an 1887 ape you. Then why not, knowing that an opponent is running 1887, keep your distance and pick off their health until the fight is in your favor? Why is it that the 1887 is the problem if AR players don’t know how to back out instead of charging a shotgun player? ARs destroys 1887 at range and all you have to do is keep distance, take cover to bait a couple of shots, and keep moving.

@cabbageboii.#0
You sound literally so entitled. Your OPINION is not always correct. Neither is the guy you’re responding to, neither is mine. Just bc you think something and someone disagrees it doesn’t mean you have to let it get to your precious ego and say your in the absolute right. You’re forgetting to list so many factors, that I MENTIONED and you still didn’t address and you’re claiming something. Sit down a notch dam

honest siren
#

I hate this game now.

Please, for the sake of some of us that dont want this crap.

offer The Finals Season 1 for money on steam. Ill pay for it, im sure others would. Just give us back the old game. I dont even need the new weapons. I just wanted to play the finals.

maybe remove nukes, other than that just default THE FINALS please

digital vigil
#

I want a banana suit

mental sky
grave rivet
topaz ledge
surreal meadow
cosmic ether
thorn kettle
#

need the flame thrower out of ranked asap

pseudo breach
long vector
#

The finals need kill cams and actual good weapons that aren't swords and bows like no one uses them. Wepons that actually compete with fcar, akm, mp5, Luis and m60. And also invis is just unfair in general

deep sierra
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Yea honestly S1 was the best all they really needed to nerf was nukes, mesh shield and invisibility. And call it a day. And simply buff the under performing weapons to compete with the meta instead of gradually nerfing everything and increasing time to kill. Oh and rework recon for medium.

merry anvil
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Tbf there's more complaining than anything in this channel. So nerfs are expected. But it's not too healthy for the game.

I don't expect everyone to be top tier meta players, but yea... complaining and calling for nerfs does not help.

odd ibex
# deep sierra Yea honestly S1 was the best all they really needed to nerf was nukes, mesh shie...

🙏 thanks

I always liked s1 balance as it was about fun and not fast time to kill.

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad that’s sticks to enemies or walls. It’s low damage but it long term so it it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal Lol it’s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map

We need toxic flamable purple gas thrower(less damage)ability where gas stays for less long as normal on map for medium class but it also acts as gasoline and can be set on fire and burns on surfaces for longer

Chainsaw for heavy that does a downward swing like hammer also u can hold and chase to do continuous damage.

Add optics for bow and buff arrow velocity

Knife backstab is worse despite getting FIXED 😂 especially dashing from the side and front,it was best in s1

Bro heavy spear is weird and rarely used,add a charged poke or jump and poke and remove the spinning bs.

Add a tactical axe where u do a downward thrust and do more damage the higher u fall (good with grapple hook)

Wall run and wall bounce for light ability

pseudo leaf
#

Coins are bugged in WT you have infinite coins (15 second ones)

gritty umbra
#

anybody rocking with no team wipe mechanics?

gleaming peak
#

Can we talk about how triple light is literally meta now and has become the easiest class to use now especially with the heavy nerfs

jagged cedar
brittle obsidian
nocturne void
#

Best feedback I could give is to fix all the crashing errors

foggy raven
#

Light be bussin! 🙌 don’t change a thing

proven parcel
quick coyote
fast acorn
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Nerf the kunais and buff the Heavy Contestant Assault Rifle

quick coyote
#

Can you please UNCAP the crosshair settings so i can do stuff like this with my crosshair, the new settings are fine, i just want more

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amber bone
#

who here mad abt the heavy nerf AGAIN too?

molten trail
gleaming peak
# jagged cedar triple light will never be meta unless light receives like a million buffs, meta...

im saying the skill gap needs to be higher, its way too easy to use light these days. you need the slightest bit of skill and thats it. Idk i use light in comp and smoke everyone so doesnt seem like the lightless comps are that good. maybe in pro top tier play but thats 0.1% of the playerbase. even ion diamond its a cakewalk. And heavy certainly isnt the easiest now if you are in higher ranks. Everytime i see heavys they blow lmao i see them bait the rpg and one clip them with my mp5 with no recoil its not hard

stark pilot
# topaz ledge buddy i play akm, and even im saying its broken, get that through your head. wdy...

AKM player is complaining about M1887 and sword player isn't.
WOW this is biggest joke in The Finals.
Where is spear, duel blade, riot shield, MGL32, CL40, dagger, sniper, bow, 93r player? hahaha
Maybe no one is! (fake) Many weapon like a dog shit, and you just care about M1887?
The game isn't call The Finals, it's " The Rifle; AKM And His Player ".
You say YOUR own experience is correct and fact, and MINE opinion is fake, my proof with 16 teams and 48 high skill player is isolated and don't have player database. Where is your database? Great logic and take care of you high school final exam.
The reason is clear, AKM player is complaining why this game have one weapon can defeat me? The problem is the weapon is OP definitely. I'm a best The Finals player in the world, I'm never never never wrong.
Maybe you just a noob and yesterday you create a The Finals account and only have AKM, Wow I'm a AKM player now.
Many weapon like a dog shit and an AKM player just complaining M1887 is OP. XDDDD

jagged cedar
sharp lily
#

I don't understand these devs. Every update is like 1 or 2 good things then 5 things that just piss everyone off. Like what are they thinking? I literally have not played in a lobby where all the mediums aren't runnin the model, healbeam, and defib. Either make all the other guns better or just go ahead and nerf everything into the ground like we know you want to.

tired sluice
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static retical cough cough @lucid gyro lmao i thought u meant the hip retical. honestly I dont notice a reticle shake on ak or fcar n even xp. Is it like a heavy issue?

pseudo breach
tame pivot
tepid owl
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I want to be able to filter map, that I want to play.
(Trying to do the Fatal Florist achievement and 67% of available maps are just not fit for the achievement.)

quick coyote
dapper pollen
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Has anyone played yet ? The coin situation is kinda nuts. Idk if it’s a bug right now or intended to be this way but bro I feel like if ur the defending team there’s no punishment to dying when holding a cash out tbh. U respawn hella quick now so I feel like for mediums no more risky defibs

kindred tinsel
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Dome shield is worthless now. You could already sneeze on it to take it down

woeful lagoon
warm compass
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this game is ruined by stupid f devs they keep nerfing heavy and buff lights

fleet sedge
untold locust
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1887 nerf, it hits harder than all melee weapons at 10x the range

dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller settings

quiet frost
#

Can we please get more gloves that covers the entire arm like the safety gloves or the boxing wraps please

tribal spoke
#

Please buff the dual blades, they need something, anything

flat mason
#

I feel like pink and light pink are too similar for team colors, i always mix them up, could there be a way to make them more distinguishable ?

bitter tartan
bronze sun
#

We need a penalty for players leaving games early or to often.

sleek marsh
#

I played about 150h this season here is my review

Cons:

-absurdly toxic mates in many matches( Reputation System? )
-many ppl go afk or leave the lobby before the match even starts( ff vote system needed)

  • all the new weapons that came with the seasons r totally garbage and feel
    unviable most of the time and I feel burned out by fcar, ak, mp5,..
    -some cash out locations r insane, like Platform on skyway,...
    -very unbalanced matchmaking, and very frustrating for soloq
    -TA Ranked, is beyond garbage as we all know
    -3rd party happens way too often

Everything else is rly enjoyable, like world tour, maps, UI,..

tired fable
sharp lily
torpid canopy
#

bug: in World tour, when your team has the cashout and you use a coin to respawn it does not use a coin therefore not using any tokens

silent fog
digital vigil
dusty igloo
#

Performance has been god awful lately and I am having so many hit reg issues

thorn nebula
molten trail
wooden atlas
dusky widget
#

change the coin back from 15-20 its to quick. fr fr

proper crescent
timid pumice
eager ivy
fleet sedge
ornate ferry
topaz ledge
# stark pilot AKM player is complaining about M1887 and sword player isn't. WOW this is bigge...

way to ignore all of my points while still delivering faulty logic, someone else claimed that I cant look at a fact sheet while you are telling me to cite facts when I already did. The finals doesn't have good enough documentation about demographics so I can't possibly give you every single factoid about every single region. If you play sword and talk so much about a medium weapon, it seems like you have better things to do. 2000h hours in fps and 500 in the finals, go find a job. if you can't properly interpret my argument find something else to do. it's not even worth arguing with someone like you.

fair osprey
#

The Pagoda(?) tower in Kyoto, the really super tall one in the middle of the map, can be brought down which causes the servers to completely freak out. No matter the platform used, the game becomes nearly unplayable for a period of time.

This is more of a band aid fix idea, but how about reinforcing the bottom half of the tower? Make the bottom half indestructible. Therefore the tower can still be brought down to reduce high ground for snipers and etc., AND the servers won't struggle as hard, or at all since there's less to put resources into.

I hope you see this and consider this idea, or a better one.

coral axle
#

FSR 3.1 PLEASE!!!!!!

light urchin
#

too many cheaters please fix the anticheat, i am completelty invisible and he always kills me while i am invisible and not moving, this not the first time he does it i only took 1 clip
scope glint is not a thing if u are invisible

and even with thermal vision, it doesn't work from far distnace
thermal vision have distance limit

brittle obsidian
dapper frigate
raw swan
#

Nerfing the shield grenade was a terrible idea

Also the flamethrower is still a hailmary in powershift, 9 times out of 10 whichever team has at least one of those on the platform will win

solemn fulcrum
dry lichen
#

Revert the dome shield changes. Please. I’m not a heavy main, but we rely Heavily (pun intended) on our Heavy teamates when we need to steal or heal- especially in powershift. I’m not sure what issues people were still having with heavy after all the guns were nerfed to heck, but taking one of the best team utilities they have isn’t it.

smoky gust
#

the molten mark skins are incredible

its very pretty and i love how it reacts to shooting

quick coyote
#

A fire weapon button, for skins that have reactive camos

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proven parcel
tame crag
#

Gateway sometimes does not deploy when thrown, there should not be any restriction on placement unless it would put the player into a spot too small for their body

@surreal meadow I know that but it shouldn’t.

brittle harness
#

Nerf the XP 45 and delete the claw as well as TA

surreal meadow
jaunty zealot
#

That dome shield nerf was a horrible decision. It already doesn’t absorb that much damage, especially when being used in power shift. It’s also easily countered by a glitch grenade. Heavys really didn’t need a nerf tbh.

harsh wren
#

game is fun

brisk cape
#

game is unbearably horrible its impossible to win a final as soloq vs a 3 stack

umbral karma
#

I like like devs try often new things and that we can be part of it, sometimes for someone can be frustrating but for me its amazing how they play with ideas, we are on the road to greatness my friends

kind estuary
#

That 15 second rule to coin is good but only first two rounds final round it’s too op there’s no point in killing the person

rocky isle
#

I had an idea, a handgun for Heavy. Like a handcannon or something where its a desert eagle and it shoots slower than the R357 and does more damage

fleet meteor
#

Can Embark please optimize Kyoto? Especially if we're gonna have to play it all the time in World Tour...

clever spruce
#

WHAT IS THE POINT OF WINCH CLAW IF YOU HAVE TO 6M WITHIN MELEE RANGE SO FUKING STUPID

low plaza
#

Turret rework:

  • When the owner dies the turret despawns after 5 seconds or if the owner moves far away.
  • Can deal 350 damage before a 10 second cooldown
cerulean flower
#

please fix the look of the new lava skins - on the preview image they look amazing and breathtaking and animated - but when you click on the bundle, the weapons suddenly look flat, almost unanimated, boring and just not that special

Please adjust them to more resemble the preview image

terse flower
#

the gamemode the finals is litteral garbage, it amplifies the problems of cashour

woven hawk
ionic grail
#

Can we get a pet wolf as a cosmetic @copper lark is asking for one ❤️

jaunty zealot
copper lark
zinc meteor
#

i feel like fire damage should stack since it doesn’t have a lasting effect. (eg immediate damage ticks for 10 then stack to 20 damage) idk i feel like the flamethrower is becoming a bit obsolete since it’s tick damage doesn’t really keep up with players who can outrun them

regal salmon
#

We need a rework of the quit penalties.

Currently, if someone leaves, they don't get the penalty unless they again choose 'leave' in the lobby.

This means people can quit the game and just sit in the lobby for 5 mins instead of being penalized for 10mins/1hr.

This also means (as has happened to me) that if I want to quit now i'm 1/2 people down, I get the penalty, even though they're the ones who left me to fight alone.

So now I have to either fight on hopelessly, or do the same lobby trick.

smoky gust
#

the glitch mine's effect shouldn't linger
they also should not make you drop items

gilded fox
#

Please add old bundles permanently to the store. Sad to see the fun and cool stuff I now can’t buy

frozen vapor
astral viper
#

Can we get more 'low risk, high reward' gimmicks on Light please? I really think that the other classes should have no offensive means to fight back when I spam left click dagger on them because an LMG or AR has less damage output and bad hipfire accuracy.

sudden tangle
#

lf 1 M or H for wt emerald. ex diamond 2 dm 🙂 - yeah I realized xD @misty rock, leaving it up, maybe someone bites here

patent girder
slender oasis
#

I have a wonderful suggestion for the entire Embark Team.
How about you make a separate Q for those that do NOT have a 3 stack. A Solo Q for each mode. Then you can keep even with the other teams as every time I get randoms they end up being every brand of the spectrum bad. Some have even taught me new ways people can be bad surprisingly. I am sick of this grind for this season.

quick coyote
#

Embark where is my helmet, didn't receive it what's going on?

stark pilot
# topaz ledge way to ignore all of my points while still delivering faulty logic, someone else...

Your opinion is M1887 is OP and I don't think so. It's simple.
You say you are correct but don't have directly evidence, great logic.
You say the range isn't the problem, and I say the game has suspend structure, movement platform, roof. I even no mention about many map has flat and broad point need to defend like SYS, Skyland or Las Vegas.
You say AKM is versatile and also M1887 is better in 70% fight you're in. Maybe correct in Kyoto or Monaco.
You say M1887 TTK is broken. What the? If everyone's shotgun can always full shot and never loss any time why them just take sniper and head shot everyone? That is more OP.

The game don't have movement so auto range weapon is more easily to track and get kills, and shotgun only have advantage in indoor 1v1 fight and AKM can suit in most of situation and doing well.
How do you get the M1887 is more OP than AKM?
And if M1887 is good to against range weapon, why S2 the LMG and Fcar meta is so broken?

Many other dog shit weapon need to be balance and you just argue with, "Ahh I think M1887 is OP. I'm a AKM player I can't take it down from 20m distance"

What is a good balance for a weapon? Has advantage to use and has disadvantage to be against, and make the environment to make the advan and disavan balance.
If AKM can make a great damage in any range and situation, it should at disadvantage with close fight and enemy pick.
If M1887 can do well in close and mid fight also it is the best picking weapon, It should at disadvantage with melee or range weapon, that can fire consistence on your face or just take opponent down at range broad flatform.

Now the problem is the melee weapon is dog shit in most of situation you know?
If Embark can make the melee more powerful, it will make the range gun better and the mid range shotgun, flamethrower, throwing knife more dangerous to use, so I say the need to MECHANICALLY WAY to balance the DOG SHIT MELEE WEAPON it can balance the whole environment in The Finals.

turbid kiln
#

Embark what are you thinking about... Random nerf to shield and claw... Just nerf the hammer not the claw, the claw asked for nothing and now the light are even more powerfull... WHAT IS THIS RANDOM REDUCED RESPAWN TIME AS DEFENDER ??? For real what is that, it s now nearly impossible to take back a point and you add the nerfed shield... WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ??? Just listen to your player and stop killing your game

silent grove
vale acorn
#

5 on 5 moba mode when lol

molten trail
gilded hull
#

nerf model

west moat
#

Fixing the matchmaking ffs gold playing with bronze or literally unranked. It should be bronze with bronze, silver with silver etc 🤦‍♂️🤦🤦‍♀️

sonic salmon
#

fix lmgs please? idk maybe heavy should have more then just the sledge to use with grapple idk if the game has 3 classes maybe make the heavy at least have more options that are usable

odd ibex
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New weapon:tactical axe(light) and it’s based on tf2 shovel

Add a secondary attack fast downward lunge attack for axe while falling and since u go fast downward.gravity isn’t floaty that does more damage the higher u fall,good for grapple hook.

Add heavy sword for medium with swings and downward slash and bonus damage while falling on enemies

A purple toxic gas/fuel thrower for medium that does low damage but sets surface on fire,it’s more defensive as traps then offensive

light steeple
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Dear embark thank you I guess for nerfing dome shield? Now for the love of all things good please nerf the sword

brittle obsidian
topaz ledge
# stark pilot Your opinion is M1887 is OP and I don't think so. It's simple. You say you are c...

evidence:

  • range: they have the same range(they are both hitscan weapons meaning that they can both hit cross map but the damage for ak is higher at long range is because it doesn't have bullet dispersion in a spread pattern, has higher damage per bullet, and less damage dropoff.

  • structures: if i engage in combat with a 1887 at long range, they will run, of course they will. i don't always have the benefit of being high up or far away, thats how the game works. you're right, if i had the option, i would always take a suspended structure, movement platform or roof. but choosing to play far would hurt my team to help me.

  • combat: most fights happen at close or mid range, i estimated 70% for me. the 1887 has a tight enough spread to deal 128, half health in one shot at mid range, not to mention close range.

  • class synergy: medium class allows the player to stay super close to their team and heal and insta revive. its a problem, especially with HMM or HHM, which was the meta before the nerfs(idk now). the medium becomes a walking medic/damage dealer with the 1887. the problem compounds when several group together. the potential loss of the 1887 is missing shots, but even then partial damage is rewarded for a slight miss. compared to the r357, it does almost headshot damage for a bodyshot

  • movement: the 1887 is equally accurate hipfire, which means that mediums can counterstrafe much faster with walking instead of ads speed and dodge shots from an automatic weapon whereas the 1887 only needs to hit 2 or 3 bodyshots or partial bodyshots, not to mention cover

  • s2: fcar had 25 damage back then so the metas are completely different, i used to main fcar and mediums rarely used 1887 until light metas came around

  • other garbage weapons: just because I argue about one broken weapon doesn't mean I don't think bad weapons should be buffed, dont put words in my mouth (also 20m is ideal distance for 1887, you ever been two pumped as a medium? its not fun. )

fading hinge
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Please god all mighty nerd sword and dash. It’s just to strong

slender oasis
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The new spawning logic and the values of vaults feels too skewed towards 3rd and 4th teams. I consistently get cucked on the 2nd round of tourney bc those teams get a vault and then end up getting $22k + $1k vault open + $7k starting cashout + $Xk for any shitty kills they rack up. This rewards very bad players instead of rewards good players by making them fight for the last vault out of desperation not necessity. Then those good teams end up killing each other while the bad teams get rewarded for letting it happen. You're putting too much advantage into the teams defending now also with the defender respawn timer speed up as well which is just icing on the shit cake for this. I'd highly suggest flattening the curve of $ flow from vaults to be less of gaps so that 2nd place doesn't feel useless and 1st place actually is rewarding again. It also is heavily skewing the meta as well to fast, responsive offensive teams which is why you guys had to nerf dome shield bc no duh, it fit the playstyles you guys laid out.
Again, fuck off kindly if you're not Embark, unless you have something constructive and thought out to add to add.

clear forum
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I know this channel is mostly people bitching. I've done it. I just want to say that I think the changes are good.

I've always thought it annoying that goo didn't have a good counter.

HATED the dome shield since it's introduction because it was constantly used to throw down on point and steal without securing the area.

And I don't think anyone is upset that throwing knives got nerfed.

I usually have an issue with updates but I like the changes this go-around.

Obv there is more that needs fixing but I appreciate that you guys are trying to balance shit.

versed cloud
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Nerf throwing knives more the ttk is still ridiculous

orchid roost
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PLEASE let us disable anti aliasing so its not blurry as shit with non rtx cards

thorn elbow
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KYOTO 90% OF THE TIME BAN THIS FUCKING ASS MAP HOLY FUCK

tidal mortar
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Gonna b real, the changes to dome shield n winch where super unnecessary, i dont even play heavy and i dont see any way of those two needing nerfs, the winch claw is perfect the way it is, its one of the only things that seems fun on heavy and yall nerfed it lol but yeah fuck the throwing knives, either nerf them or buff the other light weapons, they are op if u can aim

sage sapphire
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@true epoch the gateway has been broken for about 4 patches. essentially once every three games after getting revived or coining in your gateway wont be able to be placed you will just spam animations. i think this might have something to do with reviving outside of the 70 meteres when one end of your gateway is thrown, but i havent confirmed that yet

silver jewel
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did anyone receive the community challenge helmet or is it delayed?

dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller settings

keen grove
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nahhhhhhh 5s for dome shield hits wayyyy too hard 7-8s seems way more reasonable

odd ibex
# topaz ledge evidence: - range: they have the same range(they are both hitscan weapons meanin...

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad that’s sticks to enemies or walls. It’s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal Lol it’s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map

We need toxic flamable purple gas thrower(less damage)ability where gas stays for less long as normal on map for medium class but it also acts as gasoline and can be set on fire and burns on surfaces for longer

Chainsaw for heavy that does a downward swing like hammer also u can hold and chase to do continuous damage.

Add optics for bow and buff arrow velocity

Knife backstab is worse despite getting FIXED 😂 especially dashing from the side front at an angle,it was best in s1 no problem

Bro heavy spear is weird and rarely used,add a charged poke or jump and poke and remove the spinning bs.

Add a tactical axe where u do a downward thrust and do more damage the higher u fall (good with grapple hook)

Wall run and wall bounce for light ability

stark pilot
# topaz ledge evidence: - range: they have the same range(they are both hitscan weapons meanin...

In this reply you say the most of thing I agree with.
But still say the biggest problem in The Finals is most of weapon have big disadvantage in some case.
For ex, MGL54, CL40 can't easily fire high position from low position, all melee weapon can't attack anyone who have distance with him, sniper can't doing well in close distance to against shutgun.
Close and mid distance the best distance to M1887 because don't have a lot of weapon to against it perfectly any just choose the range weapon or the dog shit melee and be 2 shot kill by skillful M1887 player.
This game have only have one weapon once, If a weapon at most of time it can do well like AKM or FCAR, it should be have big disadvantage in some situation, it's the basically FPS game design problem.
It isn't he M1887 has huge damage make it op, It is because the game has a lot of the dog shit weapon. make the close and mid fight M1887 is so powerful.
I say agiain and again, this game need to make a MACHICALLY WAY to BUFF the DOG SHIT MELEE to make close and mid distance not Only just M1887.

marsh crow
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absolutely no one asked for dome shield nerf, devs

twilit torrent
quick coyote
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PLEASE ADD SOME FEATURE TO CHANGE THE SOUNDTRACK BACK TO SEASON 1 AGAIN ITS SO ADDICTING TO VEINS

patent wind
sharp acorn
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Please decrese the reactive time for the new lava gun skins. It takes you multiple mags in order to see the effects which rarely happens.

lucid bay
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i just coined and spawned 230M from my team

misty jasper
# topaz ledge evidence: - range: they have the same range(they are both hitscan weapons meanin...

saying 1887 has the same range as an AK proves that you are spewing hot garbage. Yes, TECHNICALLY, an 1887 can HIT an opponent at the same range, but how effective is it? The 1887 does next to no dmg at the same long range of an AK. You are manipulating this fact to fit your argument and it's not even close to right.

A good 1887 will not always "run" when encountering a player with a height advantage. Cover, movement, and finding better angles are also options.

@topaz ledge that is literally what I said.
Finding cover right next to you is running? peaking different angles is "running"?
Crouching to cover when you engage someone is not always "running" to that spot. You obv meant running away so stop trying to play smart

combat: you are literally mentioning your own experience here and trying to use that as "evidence". You don't know the first thing about how that works then. Your playstyle is affecting the "evidence" here bc you might just be a close range player. How can you say the same for someone who plays sniper? or likes to play AKM/FCAR from a distance? LH1? This is all your personal experience that isn't "evidence" of anything, just your OPINION.

Class synergy you're pretty spot on.

Movement, the same can apply to FCAR and AKM, you can find cover and you don't always have to be landing shots to fight an 1887. I would make use of an 1887's small ammo count.

You are literally saying what I was saying to you earlier. It is YOUR experience, meaning that it will appeal to YOUR argument. You denied my experience and argument and the other guy that you were responding to, and now you're trying to say that I'm doing that to you? You're a joke bro. What about mine? You made it clear that you thought I was automatically wrong bc you had "evidence" which turns out was hot garbage and just your experience (which is valid, but not a true fact) and invalidated my experience. Yeah I main medium too buddy

topaz ledge
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uhm they both are hitscan, they do have the same range, they have different effective ranges, theres a difference

soooo running to find a better spot

if thats what you said, you were spewing hot garbage too, read the technicality. i never said they were the same at range. they had the same range

ok so in a gunfight that you didn't start, you have two options, fight or run, switching angles means not engaging or disengaging, so yes, "running"

actually i play all ranges, i didn't mean run as in literal run, i meant as in not engage and move away, this is the second time you are misinterpreting my words and taking everything super literally

so my experience isn't valid because its my experience?

@misty jasper also its simple logic, when someone shoots you, you either shoot back or dont, theres a lot that goes into the "dont" category but it includes everything you said. also what does akm/fcar players and snipers have to do with 1887

because he didn't play medium??

if the experience isn't relevant it cant be used, if it is it can be used

thorn kettle
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private match anyone?

orchid roost
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disable anti aliasing

hollow zinc
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Hotfix the reconnect loadout giving generic loadouts. Literally doesnt give medium defib

rough storm
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Nerf the cringy light swords and knives + remove snipers in TA and tasers in general. It's insane how unbalanced light is. Coming from a light main

upbeat inlet
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The fact that the static crosshair is not static and still moves and jiggles around in horrendous fashion is wild.

odd ibex
brittle obsidian
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Disable defender bonus in final round pretty please. Triple M is virtually uncontestable with quick respawns and triple defib. The change is great when you're getting ratted by multiple teams, but when theres only 1 other team to worry about its pretty needless and gives defenders a huge advantage.

manic rapids
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love the new crosshairs!

celest forum
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Dynamic effect on flamethrower is harder to see than on AK or the other gun.
To combat this I think making the "fuel tank" start out glowing fully hot while ammo is at full capacity and slowly getting more dim as ammo depletes.
Also heavy shotgun skin resembling the old school car, it's inspect should have a honking car horn

orchid roost
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disable anti aliasing

topaz ledge
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there is an exploit? with the model 1887, there is selective reload canceling at one ammo, which means that for a lower fire rate, the player can fire indefinitely if they shoot one round, reload one round and cancel the reload at one round to shoot one, and so on... infinite shooting with similar dps

quiet frost
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Please embark bless us this should’ve came with the hazard duty skin

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quick coyote
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I want mango charm

mellow geyser
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Embark : I just lost a final round against a team and then had to play them again the next match in World Tour Finals. Are you even trying? Can we get some new direction for this game? So many inexcusable pain points.

ornate ferry
wicked mirage
tired sluice
hazy mango
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Please make the static reticle actually static, and then people wont resort to "cheating" by using tape on their screen/an on screen crosshair application

oak night
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discord exploding

real ravine
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They need to give the XP 54 a FCAR nerf this gun melts people close range and far range Maybe lower it’s ammo capacity give it a harder recoil pattern Or make it do less damage from afar or just lower it damage a bit . you can’t tell me this isn’t the number one light weapon right now

night vortex
orchid roost
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disable anti aliasing

thorny kraken
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nerf medium and heavy, buff light. Give light 350 health and increase the damage of light weapons by 200% please! You need to make the game fair and balanced, this will solve it!!

magic stratus
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"Decreased the max range from the Winch Claw from 17m to 12m
Dev Note: The Winch Claw is meant to enable combat in short-range fights. We feel this new range better reflects this intent. "

This makes no sense. The Winch was meant to force a long range engagement to be a short range one. Awful change

zealous hornet
surreal meadow
sonic raft
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SYS Horizon sucks ass

vocal bloom
torpid sky
zealous pulsar
glossy bough
tired sluice
red arch
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update is fire, probably 20 seconds instead for defender respawn though as sometimes drawn out fights can just let the entire defending team respawn especially if one guy decides to just hide after their team is almost wiped.
not a heavy main, but 9 seconds would probably be better for dome
thank you for winch changes!
crosshair changes are really good, just some more slight improvements on choices and so on and they'll be perfect
rpg still needs a nerf imo, it does way too much damage and would probably be good if balanced to do more destructive damage as a tradeoff to less player damage.

wet herald
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Soooo when will the bug be fixed where a it doesn't alert if a cashout is being stolen? It's been months

lavish tiger
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BUFF FCAR, NERF MODEL, MAKE GLITCH TRAPS 1 USE LIKE C4

young hamlet
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Allow us to choose what weapon our charecter holds in the lobby
I wanna flex my new lava lamp RPG, not my sledge hammer

orchid roost
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disable anti aliasing

cerulean stag
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nerf model and xp54

somber axle
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  • Make C4 have 2 charges again
  • Revert dome shield nerf
  • Buff KS-23
  • Pls buff m60 damage
  • Buff MGL 32
  • Reduce the recoil for Lewis Gun
  • Buff CL-40
  • Give smoke grenades to medium
  • Fix The Ranking system (+230 Rs on win and on the next game when i lose its a loss of -1184???? what?!?!?)
  • Make a feature to select the Season music
jovial lagoon
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I feel like the world tour grind is still too much. Emerald is a nightmare to climb bc through. Needing 63 tournament wins after grinding 1500 win points feels too grindy. I wouldn’t mind if gold, sliver, and bronze had cosmetics too.

west rampart
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it would be really nice to see a further breakdown of how RS is awarded and removed each round, I'd like to understand why I always lose like 3 times the amount that I earn, whether I played well or not.

tame nimbus
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Can anyone help me with the deal damage to arena with carriables?

torpid sky
near parcel
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INSHALLAH WE WIN THESE

quick coyote
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by the grace of allah we shall beat triple mediums using triple sledgehammers

wraith igloo
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Speed up the lava skin effect by like 2-3x so it's more noticeable. (10/10 skin btw 👍)

Throwing knives still need some sort of stamina/slow down system, maybe add a tiny delay to each throw which increases per throw? Either something like that or there has to be a hard limit on throws until a cooldown kicks in. No weapon should be infinitely spammable with no reload or cooldown, it's just dumb.
(The same applies to sword+dash combo but I don't use it enough to know what a solution would be)

XP-54 is still too 'easy mode' imo and maybe needs more spread over distance and/or more recoil.

Sniper rifle is long overdue for a rework. Add bullet drop and reduce bullet velocity over distance.

There is still a critical bug where players lose the ability to fire any weapon or gadget. Using emote usually fixes it but it's highly unpredictable.

Some player intro screens still have that bug where basically the whole screen is white.

Random stutters started happening(at least for me) after either 3.8 or 3.9.

Allow us to select music from previous seasons. S1 is still the best.

For the love of Jiminy Christmas allow us to see our ping (and maybe network stats too) to the server.

Change the menu button for Terminal Attack to plain text in size 8 font and put it in the bottom right of the screen. Then when you click on it, it should connect you to a cashout match.

wooden atlas
tribal spoke
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  • Buff the dual swords
half venture
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ADD KILLCAM

surreal meadow
#

winch is still able to be used when glitch trapped

spiral void
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Nerf this fucking flamethrower right the fuck now

eager ivy
sonic raft
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Emerald made this game not fun anymore. jfc.

young hamlet
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Day 2 of asking for the ability to see the charge on our teammates specializations beside their name and HP.
Obviously theres a few here that stand out, so i'll address an idea for them:
Winch, Charge, Grapple: Would show cooldown
Dash, demat: Would show current charges, and time until next charge
Goo gun: Would show current ammo
Turret: Would display either green (ready), yellow (deployed) or red (recharging) along with time until recharged
Mesh shield, Heal beam: Would display the current % of the gadget, or show the recharge time if depleted/overheated
Cloak: Would show current value as a %

edgy urchin
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hear me out, nerf light weapons they do way to much damage way to fast and all they do is teleport around its not fun to play against

sonic spoke
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game lost pretty much all fun. go back to season 1 intital release for everythign but nukes

steel mist
upper citrus
shell raven
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increase the time it takes to heavy attack with sledgehammer

patent wind
thick stump
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WE DEMAND MORE CHARACTER SLOT

flint shell
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make glitch traps into glitch mines

young turtle
proven parcel
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Nerf every good ranged option not on light and model is just a fucking sniper 2 tap to FUCKING EVERYTHING. EMBARK WAKE TF UP PLEASE

rough herald
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stop nerfing good weapon and buff bad weapon

@quartz shell don't nerf the strategy part of the game even more, game are being dumb down too much
also 3rd party will always be powerful, they just spawn they arer healthy while you were fighting you are on your last leg

crystal umbra
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Lol they added a bow to Call of duty and it's a 1 shot... I might just-

quick coyote
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I have jiust discovered that if you place and pick up the APS repeatedly you can have infinite aps aslong as you are never interupted because picking it up gives you full placement back which means that you can replace it which resets its hp. simple fix just have its hp be equal to the amount of recharge it returns

quartz shell
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third party still strong ngl

tropic wasp
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What if you could spend coins on buying different weapons?

celest tree
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add option to put any weapon skin on in practice range so we can test and see different skins

sonic raft
# quick coyote I have jiust discovered that if you place and pick up the APS repeatedly you can...

What if I told you the turret used to be like this as well. 👀

But I've lost all enjoyment in this game grinding for emerald. WT used to be fun. If you won a round, cool, I got some points. You could fuck around and it didn't matter. Now it's all just wasted time if you make it to the second or final round and can't win. Literal wasted time in a lobby full of sweats. My friends and I get angry with each other because of positioning or bad calls, third partying is more abundant than ever (people are leaving their cashouts to come fourth party because fuck it, why not), and it's just not a real grind anymore geared towards casual players.

graceful hollow
versed hazel
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I feel like the rocket launcher should be refocused to be used as more of a destructive weapon that still has the potential for damage output rather than being a "free kill" weapon that does so much burst damage. IMO it'd be cool to add a charge while making it do around half as much damage as it currently does per rocket but not affecting the amount of environmental damage

visual turret
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pls let heavy put down barricade regardless of terrain, its gut wrenching just to die because some unknown reason that player can not identify in the heat of battle in doors

regal salmon
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World Tour is getting there.

Defender bonus is great. But there still needs to be a bigger wipe penalty.

As it stands, the penalty is so low that the second Cashout will often get contested by all 4 teams if it started late, because the first team will attack ot too when theirs is finished.

Because why not? There's almost nothing to lose by doing so. And even if you do wipe, it's often nearly completely mitigated by kill bonuses earned during the fight.

This means you don't just get 3rd partied, but 4th partied. Frequently. Which makes it a pretty joyless slog at times.

And again - the final is terrible and anticlimactic. It's boring and vanilla, and a stripped down version of a casual mode.

Which is made worse because the game is literally called THE FINALS. But the actual final is the most basic, underwhelming mode in the whole game, and doesn't even have a unique win cutscene.

It's as if the Baseball World Series final decided to settle it with a game of Softball instead.

west skiff
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15 sec timer is a little extream

silver stirrup
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I'd love it if the "I dare ya" emote used the current sword skin you have equipped, if that's even possible 😄

signal basin
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Hello guys. I'm not playing heavy at all so I don't give a shit about the dome nerf. From my POV, I think it's too much for a nerf. But i would LOVE to see something like that on the RPG. Like, 2 ammo instead of 1 BUT only 60/70 damage. Please think about it. Thank you.

tired ibex
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get rid of particles on new xp lava gun when invis

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abstract rose
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please nerf light before this game fully dies 😕

fiery osprey
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Skill issue just run away you have a gun

dreamy badge
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ok I take it back. The overshield nerf doesnt actually feel as horrible as I thought it would on cashout. But you are all horrible for what it feels like on powershift.

Never nerf the medium's shotgun pls

rough herald
oblique spindle
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Can you please fix the defender bonus not counting as a coin being used

mental hatch
mortal notch
lapis bloom
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gotta get this off my chest. it is the worst feeling capping 2 cashouts, never getting wiped, and still not being able to qual the next round 😭
like, the last cashout being worth so much can make the early game cashouts feel almost pointless

quick coyote
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Heavy is still busted as ever. It's problems were winch, charge and rpg. But the balancing team decided that apparently dome was more problematic?? Despite the gadget being perfectly fine, it was just good. Idk what the team is smoking.

slow root
abstract rose
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light mains with the very inciteful game feedback 😬

static wolf
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game devs suprised to see more cashout steals but incentivize last guy just running the vault without care for the teammates. resulting in an easy steal, not rocket science

tribal spoke
versed hazel
timber thicket
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Why am I getting a 30 minute SUSPENSION when I leave after both my team mates have already left?????????????????????

tired fable
minor notch
rough herald
cerulean stag
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Remove sys$horizon, it is without a doubt the worst map in the entire game. The respawns suck, the cashout placements suck, the environmental destruction replaced by stuff just phasing out sucks the most probably. Nothing about it is fun as of right now. Make it an actual city center where there's destructible cars and buildings. We can see cars on the ground in seoul just strategically place them and make them an explosive.

I know theres a thousand other bugs that need to be fixed like coins not being taken away for self revives, and everything still not fixed from the closed betas. But keeping a map like sys$horizon around just feels desperate for content. Remove it like you did cashout for ranked, but instead of just sitting around with it left out of rank and re-implementing it exactly how it was before, actually make some decent changes. Crazy concept I know, doing your jobs and such, but hey, consider this one on the house.

Still need the model and xp54 nerfed too, and the balancing team completely replaced by anyone. Chatgpt would unironically probably do a better job by this point, don't make it worth it

and give us more character slots because obviously

sweet isle
crystal umbra
eager ivy
violet elbow
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can we nuke Glitch Traps again already and nerf model/buff medium ARs so we arent stuck in this dogshit triple shotgun cqb meta?

if its getting to the point that comp players switch off of Light because the class isnt playable against triple shotgun glitch trap teams then maybe there is a balancing issue that needs adressing

slate yew
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more outfit slots!!

mental hatch
merry totem
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great patch, imho

mighty cedar
serene ravine
agile portal
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No one uses it its easier to reload normaly so i dont think thatll be a problem

still spruce
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PLEASE add a penalty for leaving during a game of power shift. Tired of the enemy team getting wiped once at the start of the game and they all just leave. Makes it worse once the game is over halfway and none of the slots get refilled. Legit had the entire team leave yesterday and we just had a boring free run to the win.

proven crown
#

15 second defence respawn timer plays well imo 🔥

rough herald
lethal ore
#

return to solo bank it

fiery osprey
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Keep coping literally never died to winch + sledge maybe just learn to aim lmao
@mossy karma yeah and I’m telling you now, if you’re playing against a half competent team, your winch ain’t doing shit. You might win a isolates 1v1, but the only time you are doing that is if your opponents are more stupid than you are. There’s a reason sledge isn’t seen at high level play. Look at the facts dumbass

mossy karma
quick coyote
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Defender bonus makes defenders far too powerful. Not only do you not lose a coin for doing so, you respawn twice as fast. It's better to have one anchor, push middle map, if you die there's zero penalty and you can even kill yourself to get back to your point faster before the other teams can reach it. For example, in the patch notes you have stated "This change encourages teams to start and defend cashouts rather than swooping in late." but this change has the opposite effect due to the fact that two players can swoop in late and have a safety net of beating the other teams that wipe back to their original point where the 3rd player is anchoring by dying.

gilded fox
still spruce
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A forfeit vote is pretty much the same as the enemy team leaving though, just quicker. Maybe reduced spawn times if the team gets wiped. Say -3s respawn timer every teamwipe. Stacking as well

stone jewel
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For the love of God. PLEASE Nerf defibrillator, a perfect nerf would be the inability to defibrillate someone for 10 seconds after being defibrillated yourself by a teammate. there’s No reason i should have to basically kill a team of mediums 3 times just for one team wipe.

charred seal
somber axle
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  • Make C4 have 2 charges again
  • Revert dome shield nerf
  • Buff KS-23
  • Pls buff m60 damage
  • Buff MGL 32
  • Reduce the recoil for Lewis Gun
  • Buff CL-40
  • Give smoke grenades to medium
  • Fix The Ranking system (+230 Rs on win and on the next game when i lose its a loss of -1184???? what?!?!?)
  • Make a feature to select the Season music
mossy karma
# fiery osprey Keep coping literally never died to winch + sledge maybe just learn to aim lmao ...

"You might win isolates"
Your words don't make any sense cuz there's no need to search for an isolated 1v1 fight, a team fight is made of them
Winch+Sledge can just push 3v3, grab a random opponent and get ez insta kill with this trash Specialization

Don't even try to tell me about high level play you actually never experienced
All my S2 D1-D3 friends say same words as I do but a random wannabe expert knows better 🤣

Keep living in your imaginary world stupid, funny, scared clown 🤡 👋

muted ice
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Goo stun still makes the game as fun as ever when one specialty on heavy can deny a whole team the ability to play the game, and winch still pulls me from on top a 3 story building -_- despite the range nerf

quick coyote
#

add a mango charm

minor notch
keen heath
#

You know 3 things I would love

  1. Taser Nerf revert: Go back so we can use are specials
  2. RPG Player damage: I think it should drop alittle more not alot just slightly
  3. Make Glitch Grenade always Impact
untold locust
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nerf 1887, do damage to range ratio math

odd ibex
# quick coyote Heavy is still busted as ever. It's problems were winch, charge and rpg. But the...

Double blade replacement should be a heavy sword for medium which has a fast downwards slash when jumping plus more damage if u fall from high and (60 damage) wide range swings on ground plus secondary deflect bullets

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad that’s sticks to enemies or walls. It’s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal Lol it’s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map
Give sonar back to medium

We need toxic flamable purple gas thrower(less damage)ability where gas stays for less long as normal on map for medium class but it also acts as gasoline and can be set on fire and burns on surfaces for longer

Chainsaw for heavy that does a downward swing like hammer also u can hold and chase to do continuous damage.

Add optics for bow and buff arrow velocity

Knife backstab is worse despite getting FIXED 😂 especially dashing from the side front at an angle,it was best in s1 no problem

Bro heavy spear is weird and rarely used,add a charged poke or jump and poke and remove the spinning bs.

Add a tactical axe where u do a downward thrust and do more damage the higher u fall (good with grapple hook)

Wall run and wall bounce for light ability

woven pecan
#

Why does deep pockets take years to achieve?

craggy nova
#

Aimbot cheaters are back, lost 4 games to them. All finals rounds

haughty mica
#

buff 93r and cl-40

uncut rose
#

Medium dead, give us a good balanced auto rifle with a red dot sight. ffs

rough herald
quick coyote
dense ocean
#

day 12 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

ember ridge
#

let us show uf offline in the embark menu

versed hazel
#

I think a good change for the RPG to address its "nuke" status would be to give it two charges and split the amount of player damage it currently does across both charges while leaving the amount of environmental/structural damage the same. not only would you be slowing down the rate of damage it outputs, but two charges would simultaneously increase the potential spread of damage over a larger area- incentivizing players to use it more as a tactical ranged destructive weapon (much like the thermal bore) while not entirely ridding it of its damage potential in fights.

stark notch
thorny lynx
#

Dang, these mid season events have been so cool (like the old west s1, Christmas decor on Monaco, Easter event s2) so much fun!!! Oh wait... we have got NOTHING content wise from EMBARK at all.... just a red moto helmet for a community event that was 0 content.... could ya'll at least TRY to pretend like you give a ish about the players

rough herald
minor notch
wise jolt
somber axle
#
  • Make C4 have 2 charges again
  • Revert dome shield nerf
  • Buff KS-23
  • Pls buff m60 damage
  • Buff MGL 32
  • Reduce the recoil for Lewis Gun
  • Buff CL-40
  • Give smoke grenades to medium
  • Fix The Ranking system (+230 Rs on win and on the next game when i lose its a loss of -1184???? what?!?!?)
  • Make a feature to select the Season music
mental sky
untold locust
#

Nerf 1887; needs less damage per shot/and higher rate of fire or much shorter damage falloff

cold vector
hard badger
#

does anyone else noticed that there are more cheaters again? and I noticed to a guy that lasered me everytime (his name is zorro) he does with everyone a sound from a cat when he lasered someone with his aimbot. Pretty sure he has aimbot because he lasered me from 100 meters away...

violet elbow
jagged axle
rough herald
thorny lynx
fringe hatch
honest siren
#

I second this opinion, but with less insults.

I also dont like the last patches before this, because the inserting a box is a huge problem and only causes more cheeky plays which is what you said you would get rid of by adding it, and the 10% wipe penalty is the same as the 15 second respawn timer. You are trying to fix a fundamental part of the game that most people enjoy by replacing it with broken mechanics that make the system worse.

both 15 second respawn timer and 10% penalty are basically free, almost never does a 10% loss come into play, and 15 second respawn timer even without the free coin is incentive to send people across the map knowing if they die they respawn almost instantly. This actually makes 3rd partying worse, but I have no idea who could have seen that coming except basically any player who actually plays this game.

Adding all of these complications definitely not only makes the game itself worse, but makes it more complicated to explain to a new friend that i want to play the game. Its insane that every time that i invite my friend that plays maybe 4 times a season, i have to explain to him how the whole game is basically 1000 times worse than it was before and how we are abusing broken changes that dont make sense. He always says "great" and i know he isnt coming back until i beg him to hop on again.

This is the case with a guy who knows the fundamentals up to that point, I cant imagine explaining to a new player "oh we just have to get the box in, its worth points, oh he has a glitch trap which basically means he takes our box, no theres nothing we can do about it, we have to go to the other point because 3rd partying is better because kills are worth 500, i know its complicated but we have to fight here even though the other box is easier to take because its worth more money, oh yea that guy has a winch so you are just a free kill sorry, no theres nothing you could do about that either, basically we have to leave now and run to the other box because its worth more money and you will have to respawn." etc. etc.

Basically there is no way to explain the game to a new player and win. It would take a week, and they would probably not enjoy it.

Youre overcomplicating a simple game because people got good at it, by adding rules that make it worse, by giving an advantage to people who know how to abuse rules rather than just being happy that some people enjoyed your game enough to get good at it.

Dont even get me started on winch vs dome shield argument, @mossy karma hit that dead on the point, just re read what they had said a second time. Nobody complained about dome shield. Nobody cared about it. Everybody has a problem with winch. Dafuq

I stand by the fact that its obvious that whoever is making these changes either only plays the game at the most basic level, or doesnt play the game at all. You need to find a new person to be put in charge of what changes make it through, somebody had mentioned a play test group for players, that makes alot of sense if you have a good percentage from each skill level giving feedback.

Please stop haphazardly adding rules like "respawn 15 seconds if you own the box!"

that has got to be the worst idea unless you wanted to incentivize me and my team to hit crazier 3rd parties than ever. Youre giving us a free pass to tilt the game more in our favor than ever. It took people 5 seconds to figure that out after you dropped it on us without warning.

Stop making changes without asking people, because whoever is in charge has no clue how the game is played

sullen tangle
#

I do not agree with the dome shield going down to 5.5. 8-9 seconds would be a big change, but still not too bad. Now with winch claw being reduced I don't want to be heavy anymore.

That being said, if anything needs to be fixed, I think the stun gun is OP. I'll be playing and BOOM I can't move and get absolutely shredded in a second. It doesn't give a fair chance to anyone else. Theres nothing more I hate than dying because I literally couldn't do anything. At least without the stun gun I die cause the other team is better

versed hazel
#

I really appreciate the optimization, stabilization and bug patches. game has been running great.

rough herald
#

Low Gravity event Fix Suggestion

**Note: **

  • so whats bad about low grav? as a movement player i find low grav very annoying, yeah sure it make hard jump easier and impossible jump now possible but in combat it make jumping a death wish as it make you a very easy target when falling.
    (i have so many clip of me beaming people who use jump pad in low grav)
  • yeah sure thats what it suppose to do but it can be interesting without being annoying

Suggestion:

  • Remove it (boring)
  • Do nothing (lame)
  • Let me control how fast i fall by pressing the crouch button so jumping is now viable, and it make fight more interesting thx to more option of outplaying enemy gamer (pls?)
mental hatch
violet elbow
wide saffron
gaunt hare
#

how to give feedback privately

shy swan
# violet elbow C4 and Dome are still S tier, KS does not need further buffs atm and the M60 doe...

nah been playing heavy a while and the m60 is very bad now. the difference between lewis and m60 so big the lewis is a must pick over it.

  • dome have faster cooldown and glitch nade last 7 seconds not 5
  • buff m60 damage
  • nerf light and medium shotgun
  • make winch claw easier to use
  • minigun specialty for heavy (placeable mount or moble)
  • barret 50 cal for heavy
  • buff flashes (maybe also make them blind turrets)
  • low hp duplicate for light
  • bigger riot shield
  • tiny dome shield attached to player for light gadget or specialty
  • bring back balenced recon to medium
stiff kite
#

custom map creator

fleet socket
#

Could winch be 14m so the angle you can get when combining anti gravity cube with it is slightly better so it's easier to make cashouts inside instead of in the open?

clear niche
#

Fix the 300 m spawns pls thx

low eagle
#

I wish we could just put optics on the gun, no other attachments just an optic

mossy karma
# honest siren I second this opinion, but with less insults. I also dont like the last patches...

I just can't stand it anymore, played WT yesterday: UE crashes, overdose of garbage level-design Kyoto and almost every team has L with Stun Gun and H with Winch+Sledge (i play Sledge+Goo Gun from the start of S2)

Lights only play 3 weapons: XP-54 (ez to control recoil pattern, almost zero damage drop off at mid/long range), LH1 (Extreme DPS, ez to control recoil pattern), TK (attack spam without penalty for missing, hig DPS), Heavies only use Winch+Sledge, strong Mediums always use Model 1887 (outperforms ARs at mid range)

  • new bug because of which defending team doesn't even consume coins when reviving

Yet some stupid people keep asking for already strong and even balance breaking guns and Specializations to be buffed further while there are some weapons/Gadgets that aren't even used in competitive game modes

It seems that with such terrible balance changes this game is doomed

smoky gust
#

it would be nice if the world tour contracts had more variety than "play 10 rounds, win once and get 50 kills/assists"
like we had in stage 4

perhaps it could also be tied to the sponsor and their services?
general performance in cash and kills for ospuze
stealing/protecting cashouts for holtow

stuff like that

minor notch
atomic delta
#

give us an animation pack for the Xp54. its one of the most used weapons with surprisingly few cool skins. it just needs a cool animation pack similar to the AKM and lewis gun. Especially with the new lava skin, would be so sick!

ionic grail
# shy swan nah been playing heavy a while and the m60 is very bad now. the difference betwe...

M60 is a bullet hose weapon with practically no recoil and insanely big mag size and has less damage because of those factors.

  • Dome needs its duration brought up to 7.5 seconds
  • M60 doesn’t need tweaks
  • Light shotgun has next to no range and requires every pellet landing to be consistent, mediums shotgun has a little too much range but that’s it
  • Winch claw doesn’t need buffs
  • heavy doesn’t need another damage spec.
  • heavy doesn’t need a long range high damage weapon
  • eh flashbangs are kinda meh regardless
  • I have no idea what you mean by duplicate
  • riot shield is fine
  • lights need more team util not more selfish tools
  • recon wouldn’t fix the issues with medium
brisk star
#

Please make Dome not get destroyed by one's own flamethrower. completely useless on an already not... amazing weapon

fallen vigil
#

The winch was fine before they touched it.

pastel cypress
#

  • Heavy class is losing all it's ranged choices the only ranged weapons/gadgets it has left are a slug shotgun and a RPG

  • both lmg are ridiculous to control using a CONTROLLER it's not fun

  • winch was good ranged to start fights but now it's lost its range I feel as I at a disadvantage running it I'm having to sit and wait for them to come to me now cause I'm hitting short alot more and it's more tedious and annoying if you want to move a cash out it's kinda sucked the fun out of it

-dome shield nerf was a little ridiculous you didn't need to cut the time so hard it's a fraction of what it used to be you can't even use it to protect yourself from anyone cause they can just wait for it to go down before you even start regeneration (6 seconds for dome to go down) but 10-23 seconds to regain health as a heavy compared to a light or medium coming round the corner with full health or healing as my dome just disappears around me

-light stun gun should not kill all of my current momentum when or while in the progress of hitting a jump pad because getting stunned while moving in the air just turns all my forward momentum into downwards momentum
How does that work?
Why does that work?

-medium fcar needs some attention you nerfed the damage to 22 but kept the increased recoil compared to the akm the just not worth taking it over 2 extra damage a shot for harder recoil control so you're gonna miss more

drifting acorn
#

Please make the “Game Modifiers” more effective or game changing (except for Low Gravity).
-Maybe bring back The Dead Go Boom? (AKA, Martyrdom)
-Make Mega Damage do, I don’t know, something? When Mega Damage is active, nothing changes. Make any regular explosion, like grenades or grenade launchers destroy structures.
-Meteor Shower only rains meteors on the one cashout in certain modes… please just change it to the entire arena, not one small spot.
-Maybe make Alien Invasion more of a threat?
-Low Gravity is fine where it’s at, no need for change.
-Orbital Lasers need to be a little faster, or if not faster, instead more destructive.
-Make the rate of fire on Retro Invasion a lot faster. It barely damages the arena, I don’t even know if it damages players, because it’s so rare to be hit by one of those things. You look up and say “oh that’s cool” and keep playing, not see it as a threat.
-Maybe add another event to the arena, like a tornado or something. Being caught in it will, obviously, swirl you around, and structures thrown from the tornado will do damage to the contestants.
Please, make the events actually feel like an event.

fringe hatch
quick coyote
#

Improved menu idea: More detailed players status, like what game mode they're playing, if they're away, full or looking for group.
-Players will be able to change their statuses if they wanna let people join their party or not, or if they're away (AFK).
-Players will be able to send messages to their friends.

The green door would mean that if you click it you can join that party since it's an open party or because you got invited.
The chat bubble would let you send messages to your friends.
Make invites have a sound effect since several times I've been invited and I didn't notice because I was doing something else.

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robust dagger
#

Hello!

I have a few thoughts I would like to share with you🙂

The thing I like the most here is commuinity, cases of someone being rude, trolling or uncooperative are really rare! I suspect that this is largely due to the lack of allchat and the ability to write to people after the game. However, this is also a disadvantage because it is more difficult to arrange sessions with someone. A nice solution would be the ability to send someone an invitation message when they are outside the game.

The main reason why I'm writing is the fact of static rewards for events, I'm specifically talking about Emerald 1 in the world tour. I am a player who has found his loadout and although I appreciate the variety the game offers, I am not particularly interested in it. I always play with loadout L/cloaking device/sh1900/frag/stungun/goo grande, I won emerald 2 and I don't see any incentive to grind because emerald 1 only gives me AK which I won't use anyway.
and here comes my question: do you plan for more customized rewards in the form of, for example, a token for emerald 1 that would authorize the player to receive an emerald skin for any weapon or something similar?

ps.
I'm happy with the changes in the game and I hope it will continue in a similar direction

Best regards

vale acorn
#

More buffs than nerfs

true harness
karmic sable
#

What is embark thinking? I play every class but have been a heavy main since OB. Shield has always been a part of my loadout until the start of this season. I switched to motion sensor or double mines. I switched because it took a long time after the last shield nerf to admit to myself that the shield is useless. They still have enough ammo to kill you after shield goes down almost instantly, without reloading. If more than 1 person is shooting at you, it goes down so fast that sometimes you aren't even sure you really put the shield up. That is how I felt about it before this recent nerf. Who told embark that the useless shield needed a nerf? & What on earth was the reason that convinced them to do it? It is NOT because it helps steal cash outs too much. Being able to block half a mag from 1 player will NOT help steal a cashout without serious backup from your team. So I ask again, WTF????

cursive bridge
#

I feel like the shield could be a bit strong when there are more than one. But the dome shield is more a parry than an actual shield now which is not really akin to the heavy play style. The reduced operation time could be less drastic

quick coyote
#

can we have another limited time mode?

#

Not to sound racist or anything but why do video games always have a Japan map

mossy karma
mossy otter
#

The dome shield nerf has made it absolutely useless.

Edit: Definitely should've not been nerfed as bad, reducing 2-3 seconds should've been okay but now it's just not that useful.

rough herald
slow root
#

dome shield got nerf?
Thank you freakbob for answering my question

twin hatch
restive pelican
#

Did they take out sbmm on world tour again?
I'm solo q only, and since update I get matched with bronze and unranked. I'm gold 1 going for emerald and I have to play with noobs.

This game has never cared about solo q players

fallen vigil
honest siren
dry wraith
#

I recently had a game against three medium players, and they revived each other eleven times. This was not the competitive experience I had hoped for. Something needs to be done about defibrillators.

sullen tangle
mossy karma
# pastel cypress - Heavy class is losing all it's ranged choices the only ranged weapons/gadgets ...

"Heavy class is losing all it's ranged choices the only ranged weapons/gadgets it has left are a slug shotgun and a RPG" — thats a freakin lie 👍

Lewis and M60 deserved to be nerfed. You play on a character with most HP and use LMGs that got most bullets. And you still want those LMGs to deal more damage than other guns of other classes with least HP?? 🤡
M60 and Lewis are fine in their current state
SA is extremely powerful and can wipe full HP Medium with a burst
Your words show that u know nothing about this game

"winch was good ranged to start fights but now it's lost its range I feel as I at a disadvantage running it"
— Lol, winch was and still is extremely OP. Try to play against Winch Heavy as Heavy without winch and you'll understand what its like to be at disadvantage. This piece of crap still offers an opportunity for 1 button ez kill

@fallen vigil you used it since game came out and was whooped until the day genius devs introduced winch in S3 which offers a no-brain gameplay experience for everyone who seeks it. That's why there were close to zero Sledge players in S1 and S2 and now almost everyone uses it paired with winch

It's getting hard not to insult people who instead of trying to tell stoopid devs to do better balancing prefer to play broken things like Stun Gun and Winch because of which new players don't bother staying here

@polarbear_2.0#0000
Imo defib will be better if it will revive people faster but with less HP

cinder lynx
#

stop nerfing shit

tribal silo
#

guys i band from the game

dense marlin
#

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller settings

tame crag
#

Not spending a coin if you are holding a cash out, though it wasn’t intentional originally, actually was a pretty good incentive to coin. I think that it should be kept and the respawn time could be increased to 20-22s

karmic sable
#

Winch is a problem. Heavy does need a way to close the distance in a fight. Flames & both melee weapons are useless against a light with dash. But the "mortal Kombat come here move" is ridiculous & too oppressive. (Coming from a heavy main) A short speed boost of some kind is all heavy needs. Give it a good cool down so that it's only used 1nc per fight & I think it would be a lot better than an instant "grab n kill" button.

distant oar
mossy otter
# mossy karma *"Heavy class is losing all it's ranged choices the only ranged weapons/gadgets ...

Lewis and M60 deserved to be nerfed. You play on a character with most HP and use LMGs that got most bullets. And you still want those LMGs to deal more damage than other guns of other classes with least HP?? 🤡

Do you even play Finals? Do you understand the capabilities of different classes? Do you understand that just having the most HP and a weapon with more bullets does not wins the fight? Have you every fought in a situation where a glitch grenade got you glitching and a light with dash comes with the "highest dps weapon" in the game? Or hey, have you dealt 320 damage + 40 with a backstab glitch? Bro you sound like a silly person who does not understands the game dynamics. No offence!

short crater
#

NERF XP-45 AND MODEL AND STOP NERFING SHIT

fallen vigil
#

Someone is big mad a heavy killed them 🤣
I barely use the winch homie, I use my charge mostly. Don't talk like you know me 🤣
You're upset and that's okay but it's not an excuse to be a mean person 🫶 hope your mom hugs you sometime soon.
@mossy karma
Ps. I've used the sledge since beta.
It's possible to state your opinion without being rude. Surprising I know, but it's possible.
You shitting on everyone is cringe homie. You're mad just say that but stop shitting on everyone else lmao. I've also played every class with every weapon. So has everyone else that has ever played the finals. You're not the only one to know what you're talking about so sit there and keep crying.

restive crow
rough herald
steel cloak
#

just why xD why 15 sec respawn just so dumb xD

mossy karma
# mossy otter > Lewis and M60 deserved to be nerfed. You play on a character with most HP and ...

From the end of S1 I've played with and against every class and weapon in this game and i know what I'm talking about

I started from M with FCAR and then switched to H with Mesh and M60 in S2. A few weeks later a got bored of this gameplay cuz i was winning most of gunfights with the only only exception being really skilled guys who got way better aim and reaction

If you were unable to kill opponents with firearms H had in S2 it's clearly a skill issue bro, no offence

Being killed with dagger, the most situational melee weapon in a game is a shame. Try to play it yourself if it seems so easy to you

@fallen vigil
Im mad there's no balance in this beautiful game and that people defend broken OP things they don't even play with

Bringing moms/dads/other relatives in this convo is cringe but that's okay since you got nothing else to say 👌

@karmic sable
"A short speed boost of some kind is all heavy needs" — you just described Charge N Slam
Devs could've slightly decreased it's damage and push away distance and decreased CD a little bit

This would make it a perfect option for melee players

karmic sable
#

@distant oar good point. I like that better than what I was thinking because it would be easier to implement than what I was thinking. My idea would've been, a syringe as a gadget. Heavy pulls it out & gives him/herself a shot of adrenaline, basically getting charge & slam w/o the damage/destruction. @nerf stun gun yes but I'm talking about a gadget not spec. No damage just speed. Just a way to close distance or run when needed. I just feel that would've been better than winch but idk

mossy otter
# mossy karma From the end of S1 I've played with and against every class and weapon in this g...

I have been playing since S1 as well, I began as Light and transitioned to Heavy. I never mentioned Season 1, did I? What I said was clear enough to convey the fact that having a few stats more doesn't means that you're overpowered. The Finals is a game where every class has its advantages and disadvantages thus making every class at par with each other.

I can go around throwing skill-issue-bro comments, but I choose to speak from my experience. Lets not go down the low road.

"A short speed boost of some kind is all heavy needs" — you just described Charge N Slam

Really? You're really saying charge-and-slam is equivalent to a speed boost? Brother, have you ever not been killed while the animation for charge goes up? Do you even understand the what it means to have a speed boost? A dash is a boost, charge and slam is a "i'm cornered so i'll fkuc whatever comes and bet my ass on it" move. Either you're ignorant of the gameplay or your arrogance is preventing you from being open to learning different perspectives. Whatever it is, lets do better.

dry wraith
#

The more I complain about the lack of skill-based matchmaking, the worse it gets. I have had silver teammates while I'm in Emerald.

mossy karma
# fallen vigil Someone is big mad a heavy killed them 🤣 I barely use the winch homie, I use my...

Im only shitting on clueless delusional buddies like you who try to defend dumb devs decisions

Keep sending them funny faces to show that you're not crying rn 🤣🤣🤣😭

"I've also played with every class with everyone weapon. So has everyone else that has ever played the finals" — you're clearly wrong here

There's plenty of guys who speak about something they haven't tried themselves. Another one yapping about Lights killing him with dagger but i bet he wouldn't do half of the kills dagger Lights usually do even if given time to prepare and adjust to their gameplay

You believe winch is fair and doesn't break balance?
Well, we can always test it out, just send me a pm and we'll easily arrange that

@karmic sable that's a nice idea, i like it

@hex.byte#0000
It all should come down to TTK and H shouldn't obliterate every other class with his firearms thats why some some of them got nerfed

Speed boost doesn't necessarily have to look like Lights Dash especially if we're talking about Heavys speed boost. And yeah, during Slam Heavy moves faster than usual so it can be considered a speed boost too

The fact that it damages you right after being activated is the whole other question to discuss. I personally always wanted Slam to be nerfed so it wouldn't be another option to deal tons of damage with zero effort

karmic fiber
#

We need a 20% team wipe, so the team that has the 1st place dont ruin the fight during overtime

short crater
#

Nerf throwing knives and plssssss buff fcar

last swift
#

Please look into matching up the visual range of sledge/spear with the actual damage range of the weapon. Also there is no reason smgs should be more accurate at range than the ARs

fallen vigil
# mossy karma Im only shitting on clueless delusional buddies like you who try to defend dumb ...

I'm laughing at how worked up you're getting over a game lmao it's not that serious. It's not hard to counter a heavy. No the game is not completely balanced, nobody said that. All I said was the winch felt fine. Not my fault you couldn't combat it. I've seen people escape it just fine. You're sitting here assuming how everyone plays, that's a little embarrassing considering you know nobody here personally.

@short crater the throwing knives just got nerfed.

@karmic sable I think a syringe of some kind would be a good move.

distant oar
obtuse radish
#

thanks for making the lewis animations compatible with the mini roulette embark

surreal meadow
#

TLDR: Light and Heavy need to be slightly more similar to Medium to appeal to ALL SKILL LEVELS

Light
Casuals hate, Experienced laugh at. Has high DPS, but dies if sneezed on, but casual players cannot pin them down. How to fix it?
~ 150 > 175 HP
~ Slightly lower DPS
~ Slightly larger hitbox
~ More automatics

Heavy
Experienced hate, Casuals laugh at. Big ass health pool but 0 chase in casuals eyes, yet raw HP and mitigation fucks up higher elo, completely replacing light for damage as their sustain is too high
~ 350 > 325 HP
~ Lower utility damage, winch / charge / rpg
~ Increase recoil control lewis/m60
~ More automatics

molten trail
fleet bolt
#

is there a channel to report bugs ?

shy swan
# ionic grail M60 is a bullet hose weapon with practically no recoil and insanely big mag size...
  • dome shield at 7.5 seconds would be nice.
  • issues with medium?
  • model shotgun range nerf would be better and NEEDED.
  • heavy damage specs and weapons r about fun n playstyles cuz adding things isnt always about needs.
  • what i ment about duplicates i was trying to say you clone yourself n take over the clone which has like 1 hp.
  • flashbangs are terrable n need something. blind turrets? dont blind teammates? last slightly longer
  • m60 recoil doesnt matter if the ttk is garbage. like 1 more damage point might be enough.
  • thermal vision should show team colors. and gadgets.
  • what if recon was just 1 or 2 use charges like dematerializer with long cooldown. it would be perfect with finding that one last hiding enemy avoiding a team wipe but not broken for having wall hacks 24/7 like b4.
  • light shotgun atm is just dagger with more range atm.
  • its not a buff to winch claw its a quality of life thing. try useing the overwatch roadhog claw and the claw in this game. way less annoying and clunky feeling in overwatch and i dont play overwatch.
  • a defib heals and rpg nerf tweaks also thinkng would be massive improvement to game balance.
  • riot shield probably should have the same ads walking speed as dual blades.
cosmic ether
#

Make heavy 500hp, remove all weapons, gadgets, give him a butter knife as sole primary

copper lark
#

nerf rpg, nerf defib, nerf heal beam, remove stun gun or nerf it
Buff all the weak stuff, 93r, pyro nades, etc etc we have alot of weak stuff atm would be nice to see a patch with more buffs than nerfs but if we're gonna go down the nerf route we have a few things left

magic wing
dire scarab
#

I WANT THE NEW GUN SKIN TO HEAT UP IN 1 MAG INSTEAD OF 3

mossy karma
# fallen vigil I'm laughing at how worked up you're getting over a game lmao it's not that seri...

Well you can laugh as much as you want if it makes you feel better

"Its not hard to counter a Heavy" — sure. Unless he uses winch+sledge or plays solo while you bring your whole team against him

"I've seen people escape it just fine" = Winch Heavy missed lol

In every other scenario that's a guaranteed damage or kill for a class that already has most HP and one of the hardest hitting melee weapons

Only things that counters Winch+Sledge is another Winch+Sledge or broken Stun Gun (if L manages to survive)

Only things that gives you a chance of surviving this trash is Lights Dash/Grapple and Mediums Jump Pad

Once again: I'm willing to prove my point in custom game while you only keep talking nonsense

"that's a little embarrassing considering you know nobody here personally" — i don't have to know a player personally to realise whether he understands this game or not

When a player asks for broken or OP things to be buffed further or left as they are its not hard to understand that a buddy just writes delusional crap

daring fossil
fallen vigil
# mossy karma Well you can laugh as much as you want if it makes you feel better *"Its not ha...

well i guess it's a good thing i never said it need buffed or nerfed, you just put words in my mouth lmao
You assumed so many things about me that were so wrong, i've played since the beta, i downloaded the second they said the game was online. Assuming I don't know anything about the game is wild and yes, as i've said, embarrassing. I'm done talking with you, have the day you deserve.

tough sparrow
dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone to controller settings !!!

ionic grail
rapid stream
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Fix goo stalling (Shooting goo at someone stealing to stop the steal) it works sometimes but 90% of the time it doesn’t do anything

full crystal
dusty igloo
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PLEASE FIX THE GAME, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE I AM PLAYING THE ACTUAL GAME BECAUSE OF HOW BAD IT IS ALL OF A SUDDEN, I AM JUST HAVING THE WORST HIT REG, I CANT PLAY THIS, PLEASE FIX IT

deep spear
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Can we please change team colors to be ::HIGHLY:: differentiated!? It’s difficult how close colors are, making split second decisions difficult. Don’t need 8 colors either, 4 is all that’s needed.

dusky rune
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Could you please nerf the flamethrower its a bit op for example you cant run away cuz it has long range and it has way to many flames thank you

woeful lagoon
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give the SA1216 a cool medical themed skin

abstract coyote
mossy karma
# fallen vigil well i guess it's a good thing i never said it need buffed or nerfed, you just p...

Whoops, seems that I don't care what you think about my words

Bottom line I was right when I assumed you don't understand this game even though u pretend u played it from the first seconds servers went online

Just try to read those 2 screenshots a couple of times pls
Hope this helps
You're welcome

@dusky rune
And here comes another example of a player who doesn't understand shit

Looks like he just got whooped by a one of weakest H weapons (which is fine in it's current state and can even be considered underpowered) and is yapping about nerfs

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west zealot
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Stun gun, Winch Claw, Rpg, Glitch trap. Why do these exist in the first place

winter vapor
junior mural
fallen vigil
# mossy karma Whoops, seems that I don't care what you think about my words Bottom line I was...

You're just a sad soul aren't you? Saying it was fine isn't the same as asking for a buff or nerf. It seems comprehension isn't quite your thing. In beta they gave you about 10,000 free credits just to customize your character(they took it away obv when the game actually released). I also have all seasons battlepass rewards and challenge items from day one. Also they literally announced it on 2023 Game Awards in a really epic fucking way when it came out, but you wouldn't know about that seeing as you just bandwagon. You're psycho lol Go be aggressive somewhere else.

versed cloud
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Stun gun should be a team fight weapon instead of a 1v1 weapon. What if the stun gun actually worked like one in real life? Instead of having the tazer effect activate instantly on use-- have it be to where you have to keep the stun gun out (in hands) to use it. Make it to where you can't shoot primary weapon as light and use the stun gun. But have the stun gun be useful in a teamfight to where it can incapacitate someone for a few seconds at the expense of the person using its inability to shoot their primary weapon. So a light would only use it to stop a cash-out or in a teamfight to CC a tank so their teammates can secure the kill. It would be weaker or useless in 1v1s but more devastating in teamfights.

The person affected by the stun gun would get a display message saying "TAZED" and they would be locked unable to move or shoot for a few seconds.

This would reward lights who stick by their teammates and make lights have the hardest CC in the game

Have the right click on the stun gun disengage the tazer effect, if the light leaves the targets radius, the taze effect is broken

blazing meadow
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Please promote the offical Discord inside the Main Menu of the Game. This game would really benefit from an improved community, starting with the official Discord. The Discord community would also be a valuable asset for Embark. I provide this suggestion with no expectation of compensation - feel free to use it as you will. Thanks

molten loom
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@pearl kiln we need a nerf to the Model1887 right now.

fossil hawk
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we need more red clothing, this game likes the color yellow (and to a lesser extent, white) too much

surreal meadow
velvet olive
pale notch
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FIX game changing its graphics settings everytime I load it up. everyday I play the game I have to change all my graphics settings back to what I preffer, for no reason. I'm pretty its the game checking your system stats and setting it the a preffered/ optiomal setting, but for me thats everything on Epic settings, which is such a pain to keep changing. PLEASE fix this, is a pain.

silent grove
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add smoke mines

mossy karma
# fallen vigil You're just a sad soul aren't you? Saying it was fine isn't the same as asking f...

You'll definitely have to reread screenshots

Im just an ordinary person trying to have fun during free time on work and on his way home

Sad souls is what people like you usually morph into after they realise they have nothing else to say in the conversation and start telling me about their in-game achievements and other stuff that isn't even related to the topic

Now when im home i no longer need your services
Thanks for free entertainment
Bye 👋