👂┇game-feedback

[patent wind]

i like the changes

[ripe seal]

Being able to ping your killer would be good. It's frustrating not being able to type "on the roof" or something on console -_-

[cold bolt]

new cashout changes makes it to where it is very, very easy to just nab all boxes as a grapple light with tp and put them in for that 30% cash, more or less guaranteeing 2nd/1st place with little effort, also the change does not reduce third partying and rewards hyper aggressive aping

they've removed a whole layer of skill that went into this game

[rough hinge]

Oh damn people still waste their time typing in here?
I thought it was obvious nothing gets read or if it does gets immediately forgotten about

[dreamy charm]

What is the finals supposed to be at this point EMBARK? Are we playing some casual shoot ‘em up arcade shooter or something with a competitive esport scene.
Yall make changes focused on balancing and the competitive strategy aspect then go make objective modes reward TDM playstyles
Giving the player base whiplash

[clear hemlock]

Can we buff dash again after knives are nerfed

[grim patrol]

"We want a more competitive scene so we're adding a half assed shit mode as the ranked"

"we are now making changes geared towards casual players"

Worst part is these changes being made like no money loss on wipe is anti casual player, sure you don't have to sweat because nothing will be lost, but it means inherently good or coordinated teams will rack up a lot more money with no way to stop them at all. And casual players will have to squeak out wins with the occasional bit of luck in either being a convenient 3rd party, or having the other 3 teams fight over 1 point while they do nothing on the other.

[robust swan]

Please bring back the Penalty in World tour. Its just quickcash with fancy ui and longer time commitment now. I dont play World tour that often but it doesn't feel any different without them and can we get a event atleast with dead goes boom. Cause that was so fun

[quick coyote]

Theres the same amount of 3rd partying in cashout lol

[vital crystal]

How long before they put it back to wipeout? 1 week or 2? Because I literally can’t play this trash.

[ivory gull]

I like the cashout changes 👍

[daring fossil]

did the DB get silent nerfed?

@pulsar tide ive been using it all day and been getting robbed with point blank hits but last week I dominated with it. nvm it just occured to me you don't know what im talking about. DB is not defib

[feral shell]

Yes but now its not so strongly rewarded like before

[pulsar tide]

lmao DB nerfed.
what fantasy land are you in that DB get a silent nerf
if anything they need a major buff or at the very least medium needs some sort of gap closer for them

[midnight quartz]

When will we be able to grind for emerald

[arctic oyster]

More because if you’re in first you can just third party the last cashout with no consequence.

[limpid quest]

can we get more melee weapons this game anime asf

[shy swan]

dead embark,

I QUIT UR GAME BECAUSE YOUR SENSITIVITY SETTINGS ARE THE WORST IVE EVER SEEN IN AN FPS
please fix this because it feels degusting. sensitivity converters all go red for a reason. it says this games settings are too terrable to convert. wild

[broken plume]

new cashout changes are kinda good. It rewards an aggressive playstyle and its way funner

[fervent vortex]

Game has a lot of issues, this is not one of them lmao, learn how to aim you goober, or don’t complain when your shit

[misty jasper]

when you try something do you give up day 1? genuinely curious

[humble lion]

The Finals stopped working on Linux since the last patch. Please fix asap. I'm craving.

[raw moss]

Have you considered the wealth of sens options the game has for you?

[wild karma]

Solo queing is fun until you join a game where people who don't want to ruin their win-ratio leave right before losing :/

[untold willow]

i don't mind the changes but there a couple adjustements. First, put the kills down to 300-400 dollars. Make the 22k a 20k box instead and put back some form of team wipe penalty (even if its small like 15%)

[vital crystal]

I don’t need to try Meth once to realize it’s not a good decision. Terrible logic.

[vestal yacht]

I'm honestly surprised they haven't nerfed the Light's taser, it's pretty much a free kill button

[clever spruce]

You get a lose still wym

[cerulean dust]

against another light, sure. Not really on medium, and especially not for heavy.

[earnest badge]

I know this isn't super on topic right now but.. why don't we get riot shield skins? 🥲
There's gotta be so many potential cool ideas you could throw on that thing.
How many dual sword options do we actually need? Like come on guysssss...

[humble lion]

The Finals stopped working on Linux since yesterday's patch. Please fix asap, I'm craving!

[steep egret]

I'm currently top 100 on the WT leaderboards, heres my feedback on the changes based on a 5 hour session I just did

• "Updated the Vault spawning logic at the start of a match for more even distribution" This feels like its not working, had many matches where it was still a 3 team shootout at first cashbox
• "Increased the time taken to steal a cashout from 6s to 7s" Not sure what to make of this yet, it does mess up the timing in my head for a steal though
• "Increased cash awarded for kills from $200 to $500" Incentivising TDM playstyles seems like the wrong way to push cashout
• "30/70 cashbox split" This is a bad idea in theory, and still a bad idea when executed. So many more fights are now happening over cash boxes which is dragging down the chances of boxes 5/6 to spawn or be inserted into a cashout
• "Removed all cash loss penalties for team wipes" I don't even know where to begin with this. What was the design goal here, not to punish the kill hungry players? This has had nothing but net negatives to gameplay so far. Once you're in first as the last cashbox is inserted you can just go and poke at the other teams and make the last cashout hell for them with no downside to your team. If you're in second there no more worrying about playing passive incase you wipe because you no longer lose your money. I've seen so many matches already where it was impossible for teams 1 & 2 to be eliminated due to the cash difference with no way to remove cash off of them. Also the third partying is just as bad as it was before, but now it happens at vaults AND cashout stations

Every change in this update either feels like it doesnt do much or is just detremential to the gameplay loop of tournaments. You can earn 25K by ignoring all fights / cashouts and playing 3L with gateways just putting boxes into stations then running away lmao

[hazy vigil]

I just gotta mention this due to the lack of volpe gear in the game: WHO DECIDED TO DO AN ALL RED FIT FOR THE THE VOLPE WORLD TOUR AND BRAND IT DISSUNE???? It’s the VOLPE sponsored season, not the dissune. And I can’t even make a good fit for volpe because all we have is the S1 boxer kit…. Super big miss right there imo

[fierce valve]

Where's DEAD GO BOOM GUYS?!

[misty jasper]

I'm also against the team cashout wipe. But it's definitely not a gamebreaking change to the point where it "failed", and definitely not comparable to trying meth irl my guy.. there's obv gonna be some pushback for these changes, myself included in that, but I'm not gonna beg the devs and claim they failed when its been ONE day.. literally stop crying

[brave copper]

Cashout changes are ass. especially the wipe change. There's not enough ways to finesse the math now. Please stop listening to the most ridiculous suggestions people drop here.

[quick coyote]

i dont think removal of the team wipe penalty helped get rid of third parties, instead it entises it. The only thing that would stop third-parties was the penalty and the possibility of losing a three way fight. Now someone can third party and lose the fight without being punished. Plus none of the other changes address third parties

[dreamy owl]

x2

[rare rock]

when we insert a cashbox into a cashout properly could you change it to where it rocks slightly if thrown in

[feral shell]

Its crazy how many people dont understand that removing the team wipe and the 30/70 cashouts werent meant to eliminate third parties- they were meant to not encourage/reward them like before. Third partying achieves no where as much as it used to now. Only way to ever truly stop third partying is a 2 team mode. Atleast now they arent the only viable strategy in the mode like before.

People keep saying its TDM but youre not winning games based on just kills so I really dont understand what game you guys are playing.

[slim dove]

Come on bring back the team wipe penalty, this new update changes the way people play the game and it's really terrible! Everyone lose brain cells,they treat the game like some kind of team death match!

[wild karma]

the new update feels like its pushing for more risky plays because of the new lack of risk. now instead of hiding and just sitting around until the enemy leaves when your team is 2 down, you would actually fight.

[pulsar tide]

yeah i have to agree i havent seen much of a gameplay change in WT.
i have seen a few teams try to play it like deathmatch but they usually end up in last place unless the top team helps them.

those guys made a real good play taking the second vault and making them take the lead in overtime last second. (hard to compete against a 44k cashout lol)
i will say tho the no cash loss has costed me a few good high kill games. and it does feel pretty cheese to wipe the top team repeatedly and them have no penaltys for playing recklessly. and its not like we can always stop them cause the way spawning works sometimes you just dont fight them that often and they get free cashouts fighting the not so great teams.

and yeah definatly notice teams wiping alot more frequently. makes me feel silly actually trying to not wipe. probably faster to regroup and traverse the map to just wipe after a cashout

i have also noticed the cashouts stations spawn alot closer together at times. kinda seems like they are trying to make all 4 teams fight duing the early and mid game. so could just need to adjust more to that yet still

[hollow cloak]

The cashout penalty was good for dealing late game situations for example the two teams above us had stacked so much cash that getting the 3 vault did not get us to round two and we were only fighting with the team below us, with the penalty we could have had a chance to win

[vague girder]

Got 3rd partied 4 times in a match after the update. Feels like actually playing the objectives and successfully defending against a team seems pointless. Most of the last team I got stayed away from each other because it's for the enemy HMH team can single handedly wipe your entire team under 2 seconds. Seriously who thought this was a good idea.

[swift bison]

ive had a bug multiple times where the medium healing just doesnt work as in it doesnt connect to teammates

[edgy urchin]

day 27 if asking embark to balance the finals!

kunai fr needs a nerf!

[bitter aspen]

*lowered the skill gap

dont get mad when its the truth

third partying is part of the game and why you have tools to defend yourself when getting third partied, you can either sit there and get yourself elimated or bait the cash out

how is it brain dead? what are the mines and the turret for? what a noob

im tired of seeing those who lack skill, get their way and make the game extremely easy

[feral shell]

dont use words you dont understand

[tacit dock]

Brain dead response

[raw moss]

Hey embark can you just remove the cosmetic limits period? I should be able to use the new hood headpiece with a baseball cap and the gundam head, plus crow wings. Just let us mix all that together and make the wackiest combos imaginable

[late flower]

Heavy can't turn if they get hit

[quick coyote]

in what way does removing team wipe penalty discourage third parties? the only risk to third partying would be to lose to the other teams and wiping and losing money. Now you can third party without there being a risk at all. The 30/70 split does lessen the impact. But with people just piling on to any fight now WAY more often, without taking fights in a smarter manner there is no risk at all, which means it happens way more. That impact builds up over time. Yea you can start a cashout and defend it against a team but how can you possibly defend against another team right after recovering from an attack? For real tho tell me one way this discourages third partying.

[jaunty heath]

As top 300 (i haven't check my profile), i agree with all you say, i just uninstalled and playing other games
Each update Is to make world tour less enjoyable or Nerf weapons that are already inviable to use

[gritty escarp]

you're hilarious ngl, idt this even elicits a response in which i try to explain to you because you have zero nuance and/or capacity for it. go play quake tyvm. and yeah. cope !

[violet elbow]

any need for context?

[rugged temple]

Yeah we can see you use dash it needs another nerf

[valid blaze]

add ability to change themes

[pulsar tide]

ngl no one is talking about the grapple buff. i just started getting use to using the dash and now i wanna go back to grapple.
but dash is also just so good. keeps you alive much longer then you really should be

[feral shell]

@quick coyote Didn’t say it discouraged it I said it doesn’t encourage and reward it. 3P was the meta and absolutely the best way to win previously because of the massive swings in money you could easily cause. Take an entire cashout and drop someone 30% easily moves someone from last place to first at times. It made no sense to ever bother starting or defending cashouts - now it does which imo feels more like the way the game was meant to be played.

[bitter aspen]

you pushed when you shouldnt have and you were in the lead so i dont understand why the agression? your teammate was down near you so instead of reviving him you pushed and got in the distance of wich claw, that passed through the wall which reminds me of the halo 2 sword

[honest harness]

Please give us an option to change the title music. Like Random, Season 1, Season, 2, Season 3, ...

[formal willow]

fix ties on world tour 😭

[late flower]

The mentality of running in 1v2

[haughty niche]

dash nerf was NOT needed at all

[ionic grail]

Im gonna be deathly blunt.

Every change you've made to world tour is amazing. Bar one that its completely and utterly abysmal.

Revert the wipe changes, every fight is just an Int fest of straight up TDMing for every single minuet thing in the game. Theres no risk, no worries about losing a fight, theres no reason to give a shit.

Please revert the wipe penalty, bring it down to losing 15-20% then we're golden.

The flow of the game feels terrible now, if anything you've made third partying stronger because theres no reason to worry about losing anything so what do you have to lose? nothing.

[potent solar]

from a dash light main its now about half as fun and with the no team wipe penalty the overall experience feels muted. much easier to win but there is not any tension to hook you. I don't think the nerf will allow dash to be viable in competitive games

oddly enough I'm winning more games but it all feels too proper and less satisfying. tried med and heavy too and had no problem tracking dashes. maybe try to put it somewhere in the middle if you have to but I still don't think it needed the nerf. the games are too casual to be an accurate indicator

[vague girder]

Our Heavy just ran off to get kills. And cashout is secondary now cause you can just farm for kills oor 3rd party

[violet elbow]

my bad for getting winched clawed trough a wall bossman, just say you dont understand the clip

[quick coyote]

How did team wipe penalty encourage or reward third partying? The whole not starting cashouts was solved by adding the 30% instant income not removing team wipe penalty. The way the game was supposed to be played was described in the dev note. They want less third partying. Third partying is the issue, and the only risk it had is now removed thus increasing the amount that occurs. Having the wipe encouraged smarter plays and and discouraged lack if coordination and team play. If you didnt play as a team you would lose a fight and deserve to lose the game.

[gilded bloom]

is the "terminal attack event" supposed to be here?

[brave dagger]

I dont think they want less third partying. They want the third partying to be less frurstrating. Which in my opinion it now serriously is, if i played very well up until the end and get wiped, I dont automatically lose the entire game because of that one single wipe.

Also once the Meta adjusts to this I think there actually will be less third partying. This is what ive noticed so far atleast for the games ive played yesterday, since before teams kinda defaulted to trying to fight for a cashout if one was in progress, even if there was an unopened box. But now the rewards for cracking that box and bringing it tot he cashout actually matter allot more. So it rewards teams that are on the move allot more and just focus solely on objective.

The concern of teams going full TDM I think is mute. Teams that focus solely on kills dont achieve anything, since a 10k cashbox is already 20 kills. You can not keep up with that. But it does reward teams who have to do allot of fighting just a ltitle bit.

Only at the end does the game turn into a massive slugfest when all teams try a double stacked 22k cashbox. Which at the moment feels exciting to me, but I could forsee it become a tad boring if this becomes the meta. And kinda frustrating too.

The finals is very much a game about timings, and as such I think teamwipes are still a offsetting penalty if you get wiped at the wrong time. I dont mind the no loss on death.

Only thing is this is some drastic changes, give it some time. Maybe youll get used to it. I bet in 2 weeks there will be other things they try

[viscid crow]

dont care about the kills price chnge it makes kills worth something. i dont mind the fact that you get part of a vault on insert. not losing coins on wipe is bad. and adding all 3 at the same time was to much change all at once for ease of balance

[crystal umbra]

I believe in The Finals.

[icy plank]

I dont think the new the Update is the right way to go. It was good to get a punish for pushing a team or trying to get a cashout, now you can just relax and dont need to worry about getting wiped because you cant loose money. The kill earning on the other hand are super important for teams that are close togheter to get an advantage. But i think it should be the best of both world. Give a punish for not playing smart and getting wiped (loose 30% money) and get money by killing people. If you do this the higher teams need to stay focused and play smart and the lower teams can still win by killing other and dont need to rely on Cashouts.

[upbeat urchin]

Played all day long solo World tour yesterday and had a blast, my random teamates and opponents were my level (end silver/ gold), I like being able to fight without losing money even though I'd say at least 10/15% penalty could still make it interesting. I like the 30% instant cash when you plant the box but I think it would be great to reduce cash-out timer to 1min30 to cash-out, so that more money boxes are played in a round, 500$ per kill is nice. I still think medium shotgun has too much range and defibs should have longer cooldown. I fought a 3 medium team at the start of a match they rezed 5 times total in 1 fight we ended up losing ofc. Or make it so item cooldown is frozen when killed

[harsh panther]

Since this games balance has been a joke since launch can we please get the black tank top that we see when body paints are in the item store, I know that shit exists just give me it already 🗣️

[south sorrel]

new rule changes are dope seven seconds kinda sucks though

[high smelt]

im pretty sure you can buy it from the customisation menu whenever, could be wrong

[viral light]

I dont like the no team wipes change, just feels like its not as rewarding when you kill a team and they get nothing bad from it

[late flower]

It wasn't through the wall it's server sided

Or in the begining of the winch you guys were on the same field then he went behind the wall for cover and winch doesn't break on obstruction

[thick sorrel]

Teamwipe penalty should scale even more depending of your cash

10K $ = 10%
20K $ = 20%
30K $ = 30%

Without penalty 1st Place can be oppressive.

@late flower No reason to defend winch claw. It's worst than Stun Gun, which people still cry for. Winch is instant, takes no skill, no real counterplay. Winch Claw+Left Click+RPG gg noob combo! You don't even need to aim right.. hit mechanic is so weird.

@woven hawk Or RPG which I'm sure more people complains about it, than dash.
We're talking about a destruction tool, but it's too dominate for opening free kills. Pickrate 100% ...

@analog anchor before 1st place has to worry risking 30%. Now they go all in and do 4th party 😄

And yes, Throwing knives need some tweaks, less accurate while moving, jumping.

[woven hawk]

I think AI aimbot true-track turrets should've been nerfed before dash

[gritty hull]

why does it feel like enemies are spawning INSIDE of my ass in quick cash?

[rugged temple]

Can we nerf heavy's free win buttons while making heavy's weapons actually feel good to play. Right now heavy just wins fights because of ridiculously overtuned abilities and has downright unfun weapons to use (looking at lmgs especially). Also, stop nerfing completely fine things like dash and if you're gonna buff the 93r please just give it damage.

[rotund sluice]

Leave every cashout change except for the team wipe penalty and it’s golden. The 30% upon deposit and higher kills rewards playing for objective and playing as a team, but team wipe penalty is a buffer for bad plays. Bad plays leads to heavy inting

[shy swan]

yeah it is a problem, look on any sensitivity conversion site it says it cant convert well. ive been useing the same sense on every game for years so its very noticable for me. when i looked into if anyone else had a problem with it a vid of SHROUD complaining bout the sens n feelin off came up n more. youd think that would mean somthing. @raw mossyeah ive never seen a fps game use percentages and thats prob for good reason.

this is a problem that is not getting enough attention. id guess cuz people who quit cuz of it just quit and dont go talking about it on the discord.

[raw moss]

I play with the most wackass dpi/sens (maxed out dpi, around half sens) but I constantly have to tweak it across games. Genuinely try tinkering with DPI and sens. You shouldn’t be focusing on hitting a percentage from some conversion thingy but what feels right. Every game has different levels that feel good for me and it takes experimentation to find that. Also I don’t think we can go acting like these hypothetical people exist if we have no evidence of them existing lol.

[violet elbow]

W Derp appearance

[humble lion]

The Finals stopped working on Linux since yesterday's patch. Please fix asap, I'm craving!

[vapid pine]

Bring back team wipe penalty

[gilded bloom]

Bro teamwipe penalty already scales because it's % based 😭😭😭😭

[marsh horizon]

Withdraw kicking in

[quick coyote]

To me, you speak 100% of this. Respect

[oblique fox]

I was playing worldtour on las vegas sandstorm and a cashbox was stuck under the sand (I guess it spawned there)

[quick coyote]

I don't think the mode has turned to TDM, but I do think the risk reward of taking fights and using your brain in fights is nonexistant now and it works. Whats stopping teams from cashing out/inserting a vault and just killing themselves so the opposing team doesnt get extra kill cash from fighting? Also They said it themselves. They don't want more third parties. Dev Note: We’ve felt for some time that Cashout generates more ‘third party’ fights than intended, as well as long-lasting team-versus-team encounters, and that happens in part because of the incentives of the scoring system. We are testing the changes above to see if they address these issues and improve the overall experience. These changes have been selected as the ruleset for the VOLPE Championships. We’ll monitor how they perform via telemetry and your feedback and will adjust them as needed.

[shy swan]

when seeing competitive friends, me n shroud n the sensitivity conversion site complain about it you start to see a pattern. idk what u mean about experimenting on different games. you just use a converter and it works on most games. besides even if someone doesnt notice it why would they be aganst better settings. especialy when it does not sound that hard to add at all.

[lavish galleon]

Feedback Request
Store at multibucks
I need something between 2400 and 6250.

[raw moss]

Three people agreeing makes a very opinionated pattern. And again, why are you so opposed to just experimenting in game to find the setting that works best for you? Takes a bit longer sure but it’s far from a big deal

[empty arrow]

Will there ever be the option to have the soundtracks customizable (ie s1 or s2 tracks instead). I like the new tracks but just seems like missed potential for monetization at the very least like how fortnite forced you to buy a battle pass to get s1 theme (Not that I liked that but would rather have that over no choice)

[boreal sentinel]

I feel like there is no rush of danger after the "No penalty" of team wipeout in tournament cashout. Even though it feels a bit great that no money is loss, it also sucks that the enemy has the same advantage. It sucks even more to make a comeback for the losing teams ( including ours ) to have a chance to wipeout the 2nd team to win a round. I dont like this idea of no penalty. I love the rush of danger. I love the feeling of "I dont want to die so that i dont fuck up my team". I think yall should bring back the penalty but you can reduce the penalty loss by half.

[late flower]

It reduces the

My team is dead imma play like a coward/ rat which isn't fun in any game mode having to stop everything you're doing because two others died sucked

[tall wave]

bring back the team wipe penalty, removing it was a mistake

[jagged cedar]

Another example of why winch doesn't work in this game

The net code is so bad that it literally can't exist properly

[lavish shard]

Bank it loading 5 min gaming 3 min
40k to 60k

[potent solar]

oscar had a good idea of having a charm that would show the deposit value of the box but what about putting it on the box itself or on a wrist watch so you can see it while you carry it

[signal mica]

The new cashout rules in WT is quite frankly the most fun the mode has been unfort

[ivory dagger]

pls change back the Cashout Rules ...

[static escarp]

Alright, my 2 cents on this new cashout :

• Bring back team wipes, I feel like rn this is a just a kill race and tdm lobbies. We are first in games just by putting the vaults in the cashouts, not even defending it. All strategy is just gone, as you can just +forward into a point, third partying / griefing is just as easy as playing the game now.

• Now the main topic : third partying. This is concept that is part of the mode, removing it completely is not the right call. However, you want to make it the penalizing for the team holding the cashout.
  2 ideas to counter this :

• Checkpoints : Keep old values before update. The more you hold the more you win money. For exemple : at 25% completion of the cashout you win 20%, 50% completion = another 20%, etc. Not putting max value so that stealing is still worth in the end. At the completion of the cashout, add a little bonus for stealing. That bonus should be inferior to the whole cash won from holding. That would make last cashout worth for teams who are playing for the 2nd place, while leaving the 1st team to handle the third party.

• Reduce the team wipe % over time : When you're putting the vault into a cashbox, you have a team wipe % at 30%. This % can be reduced over time during the cashout as a reward for the holding team to reach 0 at some point (can be a full completion and even before). Teams who are attacking are locked at 30% when getting wiped.

Not sure I made my point clear but feel free to comment on it and ask me questions about it, would be happy to help to make the mode competitive.

Edit : adding a new one I just though about

• You can make the team holding the cashout win a certain % of the cashout when wiping an other team aswell, so that teams that are constantly fighting and holding can still win a good % out of the cash while the other team holding a point withtout any fight has to stay on point until the very end

[sand jetty]

--Bring back team wipes, I feel like rn this is a just a kill race and tdm lobbies. We are first in games just by putting the vaults in the cashouts, not even defending it. All strategy is just gone, as you can just +forward into a point, third partying / griefing is just as easy as playing the game now.

I like removing the team wipe incentive because it sees less camping on trophies. Moreso it's a decentive for the team getting wiped. Maybe add a bigger bonus for wiping the team.

Also the completion of cashout percentage your team holds should play a factor since they've gone this route

[merry anvil]

I just realized that the coin system is pretty irrelevant now with the wipe penalty change.

There's no incentive to use coins if you don't lose anything other than time. So unless you're losing and you need the seconds to get to the last cashbox quickly you don't need to coin at all. Just wait for revives or something.

You're better off shortening the respawn timer overall at that point imo.

[shy swan]

opinionated? that sounds like calling feedback opinionated. muscle memory important

[coarse oar]

that extra 1 second to steal a cashout feels brutal sometimes

[rough hinge]

Suggestion: Fire the person making decisions.

[mighty cedar]

100% agree

[atomic summit]

Embark said they fixed the loading screen glitch but that clearly is not true. So what am I suposed to do with the new event when I cant start a WT game without being kicked for "inaktivevity"

[empty arrow]

They should add a forge mode to pad lack of maps, have 6v6 cashout tournament to combat third parties as another game mode, and pipe dream a mini br mode with all the maps combined/ less destruction if thats what makes a mode like that too much processing

[potent solar]

No they will get there, they are on the right path

[brave dagger]

Thanks for the reply, and the dev quote. I think your opinion is ofcourse very valid.
I hold my original opinion tho that when the meta adjusts to these changes you will see less 3rd partying, mainly because its not as rewarding to do so anymore. You can still find yourself fighting with 2 other teams over the same objective. But if you’re doing that now you’re just leaving guaranteed money on the ground. While before this money was negligible, now it even be 7k for just depositing. And before you had the chance of reducing 2 teams total money by 30%.

Coming back to my original statement. My opinion is I don’t necessarily think reducing the amount of third partying should be the absolute goal here. I think reducing the frustration thats attached to third partying should be the absolute goal. It should ‘feel’ fairer when you lose. These changes to me reflect that the better team will win more. Teams that use their brain and picks fights they can win, avoid fights they can lose will win more often. As such when they reintroduce ranked I think you will start seeing the same amount of strategy.

And you ask whats stopping teams from inserting a cash box in a the cashout station and then just wiping themselves? The cash of the cashout station ofcourse. The fact they had the cashbox and inserted it into the cashout station means they played well up until that point. And if it is tactically viable for them to wipe, because they are stuck in a hopeless fight and think wiping allows them to get back in the fight quicker, I say more power to them. They are weighing the chances of reviving a team as a slower outcome then just wiping.

On a side note: what ive noticed is these changes to me make it feel more like the original trailers of the game. Where the focus was moreso on the cashbox and the chaos that ensues. To me this feels a bit more THE FINALS than THE FINALS from last week.

[wild yacht]

Do players get punished for leaving in the mid-game in tournament

[violet elbow]

yes, and winch not breaking on obstruction is quite literally the issue mr obvious

[late flower]

If the game runs client sided than changing that wouldn't matter if you had two brain cells to rub together it'd just mean the person would grab you on there screen on your screen you'd be safe and the outcome would still be the same like when you're playing with a bad connection and it doesn't register you're actually behind cover and someone shoots you

[lavish shard]

increase bank it duration loading screen more longer than gameplay
40k -> 60k

[plush fjord]

Same bro i love winch and ks23. But ye ur right. Swords and daggers are skill on their own, but i guess cloak is part of the game too. I just think they should buff the lewis and fcar a bit so we fans can play with them again

[real gate]

please fix the suspend game after someone leaves

[earnest pilot]

We need input based Matchmaking

[wooden shuttle]

Please add money loss on team wipes again, there is virtually no point to coining anymore and u cant clutch the game by wiping a team which was great before, you are pretty much screwed if you cant steal the cashout

[fervent vortex]

Home it’s just simple math, it adds whatever the % is to your dpi, calculator app then you good

[marble egret]

can't join a party after this update, new patch break anything?

[keen token]

Bring back team wipes to cashout.

[rough herald]

fix rank system

[west pond]

same here i cant join my mates

[mild gull]

i think the 93r should be buffed like this:

• completely remove burst delay, so you can immediately fire another burst (this does not mean making it automatic, just means that you can tap the trigger immediately after the burst ends, with no cooldown)
• if the burst delay was removed, slightly lower damage per bullet so it's not op
• add a bit more bullets
• i actually wouldn’t mind if the recoil was reverted to what it was, players that can control it with no burst delay will be rewarded

I think a burst weapon should have more DPS than a non burst weapon to compensate for its burst nature, eg simply holding mouse 1 vs tapping it each burst
(but it shouldn't out DPS the M11, since the 93R has a range advantage)

[civic lion]

same

[red echo]

Game is making a comeback after the livestreams of oscar

[west anchor]

Same

[violet elbow]

^

[soft valley]

+1

[warm fjord]

I completely agree with this, and i also think light shouldnt be nerfed, its heavy and med that should be buffed in the way that lights CAN combat them still, but the H and Med can also counter it in ocaccions (or not so like this, but just an idea, i still think that H AND M should be buffed or better said their weapon-base)

[fervent tiger]

Cant join lobbys on p5 as a 3rd no matter what I do

[serene saffron]

I'm doing my bit to help with these returns:

-We need the return of team wipes. As others have said, at the moment it's easier to win by starting a cashout than by defending it. 30% was too much but a value like 10% is impactful enough to create some clutch but not enough to be as frustrating as the previous value.

-As for tournament mode, we need to stop giving a penalty to players who leave because one of their team-mates has been kicked for afk.
Seriously, I don't want to finish a game in 2v3v3v3, it's not interesting and getting a 10-minute penalty afterwards is just annoying. So either this penalty isn't applied when someone has already left or allow players to join a tournament in progress.

[uneven rampart]

React with or :

Should the Kyoto Pagoda (aka big tower) be an indestructable object to prevent the lag?

Pros: Less lag.

Cons: A literal sniper nest and a hot spot always

(Don't reply to this because its a 30min CD and its not a forum its a feedback page)

[warped swan]

The smoke shaders are so bad now something happened. Also the cashout change plays terribly

[split ermine]

can we stop forcing people to play terminal attack. I do NOT want to play the mode. But now I have to for the circuit contract. 9 times even 🤮

[rough herald]

give me better setting bro, my fps is begging for mercy and im here can't do shit about it
(also crosshair setting pls)

@chrome river bro say dash is completely useless when it only get nerf by one sec lmao
just apabt bro

[chrome river]

Good job on the dash cd! Can you nerf the light more please? You almost succeeded in making then completely useless. Give that braindead balancing dev a raise!

[quick coyote]

Listen to this man

[bleak oxide]

the world tour/cashout changes don't feel that great to play on, it might be an adjustment period for me but at the same time when a team gets a huge early lead due to just gapping 1 or 2 fights there is now next to no comeback window for teams below them due to not having cash wipes anymore...

[fierce echo]

You, EMBARK, ruined the game in SOUTH AMERICA due to the update being delayed by two weeks on Xbox. With the start of this season, despite the problems, I was finding TOURNAMENTS in SA with crossplatform, but now I only find casual matches! CONGRATULATIONS, it's an incredible game and, with that, they managed to remove the SA players, FORCING them to play in NA.

[copper lark]

please revert dash nerf, I understand you wanted to balance grapple and dash out a bit more but cloak is the best spec on light, dash did not need a nerf just to make grapple have a higher pick rate. if grapple needs help then give it more help but don't nerf the mid option in the process, this really guts the potential of melee users the most but it's also affecting anyone who has been mastering dash. Evasive dash has never been problematic it was in a good spot before the nerf

[restive pelican]

Cash out changes are huge W.
Team wipe with no money loss is ok. (Better then the 30% loss).
But a team wipe penalty of 5k would be ok

[nocturne fern]

quit ya crying tiny bro

[upper kettle]

Anyone else unable to join parties?

[olive adder]

what are you doing with the game? you said this was for fixing ranked cashout, no ranked cashout yet, just wtf, my friends n me already left, what are you doing embark?

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here are a few ways that can improve the shield, as it underperforms against any other ranged and melee weapon. I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:

• While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
• The shield should block a larger area of the body to make it more consistent at blocking melee, bullets, and splash damage. Players with decent aim can easily hit the arms and legs which defeats the whole purpose of it.
• Blocking melee attacks should inflict a knockback to prevent melee weapons from clipping through and scoring a second hit with the active frames.
• Increase the melee range, even just +1m of range would make it feel so much better to catch enemies that were just outside your range before.
• Electrify the baton and allow it to glitch enemies for a very short period, it would provide a lot of team utility and prevent dash lights and charge and slam heavies from effortlessly hard countering shielders

FIX THE RIOT SHIELD BUGS:

• When picking up throwables in the arena, the first person shield model gets messed up and blocks your entire screen.
• Remove the fov zoom in and turning speed reduction when you raise the shield to block, it makes it overly clunky to use and feels terrible in a fast pace environment.
• Pyro grenades "stick" to the shield and burn the player forever, making it also impossible to see

GIVE SMOKE GRENADES TO ALL CLASSES:

• Give smoke grenade to all classes! It would open so many strategies for the other builds! I would use smoke so much if it was on medium, especially to better support my team against fire, detection sources, or to help revive teammates, and steal cashouts in an open area.

FIX THE GLITCH TRAP:

• Glitched heavy can still use the winch claw and it doesn't stop chargeNslam

[rough herald]

quit complaining yo

[chrome river]

@rough herald you brainrot that one sec is 3 sec over the 3 charges and you don’t realise how much it influences melee players as it is the only gap closer you absolute moron. Before that, sword was nerfed 2 separate times, buffed other weapons which is undirect nerf like the throwing knife and introduced gadgets specifically just to counter dash and melee dash like glitch trap. “jUsT OnE sEC”

[maiden idol]

dear devs, love the game! can we please get a medic skin?

[raw urchin]

I would like to say that the state of the game currently is the worst it has ever been. It really isn’t a fun experience anymore and would love the balancing to be reverted back to season 2 and adjust lights accordingly as currently the “meta” is awful. No matter how much I play and try to avoid playing any melee or light, it’s almost impossible to play or counter how strong both of those are. As a heavy main I really can’t stress how poorly thought out some of the balancing decisions have been this season. I don’t expect anything to happen from this comment but felt if I didn’t put something in writing that isn’t just the Reddit community then I’d kick myself. Cheers.

[teal bear]

Throwing knives are fine.

[sudden lava]

buff riot shield

[humble lion]

buff me

[chilly glacier]

Again party problems

[quick coyote]

Even if you look at a TTK spreadsheet you'd be able to determine how 1 second is a massive deal especially for specs. Dash was perfectly fine, then you had the Heavy mains with 3 - 5 different hard counters to Dash and Light in general complaining that lights exist in the first place.

Stop listening to casuals who complain about everything when they get outplayed and instead see to experienced players, streamers and content creators.

The current situation can be summarized as follows:

Casuals complain when they get outplayed by Light
Balanced spec on a weak class gets nerfed
People ask for it to get reverted because the nerf was not justified.
Same whiners tell them to quit complaining

Peak hypocrisy.

[clever hawk]

93R will never not be dogshit tier because it has actual downsides; it being a close range weapon that burst fires on a class that dies instantly and therefore needs to kill instantly.

Its burst nature means extreme precision is necessary and misses are punished harshly. Burst weapons typically require ADS which is a death sentence when up close with Light. Fast and dynamic movement - Light’s speciality - also works against the burst fire.

All of this means this weapon actually requires skill, unlike the braindead easy (typically automatic) weapons that dominate the meta on all classes.

There is also zero niche for it. M11 has close range spray, XP has close/mid range everything, throwing knives have (disgusting) close range burst.

Give the 93R to the Medium instead, it can serve as another close range option similar to the 1887 without being broken as fuck like typical Light weapons. Again, as with the 1887, it has actual downsides and thus requires skill, so it would fit the Medium class which has enough health to survive its pitfalls.

[autumn bison]

The issue with light has always been the difference between balancing light between competitive games, where teams play together and actually compliment each other, and more casual gmaes where teams play seperately and rely on fragging potential more. Lights suffer in the former but can dominate the latter. Despite what people say here though you can't simply balance all for one or the other, especially when you have different game modes

[glacial sierra]

yeah was powershift.

hey devs - confirm if any SBMM for anything other than ranked?

[iron pebble]

FAILED TO JOIN PARTY FIX <@&1012034066876473384>

[stray rampart]

They're working on it according to community managers

[ivory dagger]

i cant play with friends????

[rough herald]

dude i don't understand why they nerf dash either and i don't really have an opinion about it
but you guys blow the nerf up like it going to kill light and make light useless or something like dude, it just mean you have to stay in cover for 1-2 sec longer each time and thats it, you can use it the same way you do before the nerf. its not that bad

also the "don't want to show stat" part, i have a 30% win rate because i only play quick cash btw
(3 team 1 winner = 30% win rate) https://finals-stats.com/cards/2184_69420_2.png?v=2282 got this form a stat tracker

@nocturne fern FACTS!! see this guy is good at the game

[young dome]

Learn how to adapt to the changes and play the game. Quit complaining. Each character has its own special abilities. Don’t blame the game or other players because you can’t master or figure out how to use sTrAtEgY.

[nocturne fern]

light players dont rely on dashing constantly to get value challenge. use some cover and dont wasnt them 🤯
@rough herald yeah you could say i was diamond in season 2

[shut tangle]

As someone that plays sword almost exclusively (the weapon that revolves the most around dash), I was expecting it to feel worse, the nerf isn't such a big deal

[vast pond]

hey there, we just found a bug

[sterile ruin]

9 matches of trash, shit sorry I mean terminal attack!!!! Emback are you seriously TRYING to punish people for liking your game?!?!? If it says anything remotely like 18 games of terminal attack next week I swear to whatever celestial body is in charge of this shit show, I will permanently uninstall this game!!! Fuck TA, TA Sucks, Remove TA!!!!

[fresh shell]

How are loadout edits still not fixed? when a teammate dies it still glitches back to what you had before

[short canopy]

I think if you just reverted the entire game to season 1 or 2 you would fix 99% of the problems. Then small weapon balancing tweaks from there. New cashout is boring and lost all of its thrill and chaos with the economics changes. Terminal attack is just horrendous (i love the finals and i love counterstrike. Its just that they dont work together). And heavy and medium struggle for range while lights run 3 powerful range options

[nocturne badger]

are you forced to play that mode?

[patent night]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[patent sphinx]

🤓

[silk imp]

its fine to put contracts on wt but atleast make me able to play it without getting stuck in the loading screen bruh

[nocturne sphinx]

Technically not forced, but for a circuit challenge yes if you want to finish it. My friend got this challenge week 2. Unless they redid the "New players have to play five matches" or whatever it was when S3 launched.

[verbal lintel]

Cashout changes feel like a completly different mode

[cursive lotus]

Sad because you’re bad?

[sharp jasper]

This needs to be done IG ASAP, additionally show weapon level

[slim vine]

Cashout without team wipes is fun, but it’s pretty braindead. The lack of punishment for wiping has exacerbated the third partying this change was ostensibly trying to solve. It’s great for a casual mode, but I also feel like quick cash already scratches that itch.

I hope whatever ranked cashout ends up being has wipe penalties for the sake of coherence.

[rough herald]

more tdm focus and i love it

@slim vine agree
@sharp jasper just search "The Finals stat tracker" and you should find it

[clever hawk]

This is precisely why Light needs retuning so as not to be so disparate; a small health boost and a burst damage decrease.

Light’s lack of health necessitates its reliance upon extreme burst damage and is unfun for all parties.

Without such changes, Light will never be competitive in high level Cashout. Even at release Light was a great class individually - strong Weapons/Specialisations/Gadgets - but it simply cannot survive against skilled coordination and thus resorts to a skirmish playstyle antithetical to the nature of the game.

[stark notch]

Cb1 best version of the game

[short canopy]

Agree. Happens with every good new game. The devs try so hard to change it, when it’s the base game that got all the players. Tweaks are good, new maps and weapons are good. But gosh dang stop changin the game we want to play

[autumn bison]

how much of that is because it's players figuring out how to play the game and trying new things? After a bit people find the more meta ways to play the game changes on it's own.

[onyx ledge]

there's so much more third partying now

[soft valley]

🫃

[tropic swift]

The game is way better than how it was before. Recon is replaced to a ability way more fun and stronger. Nuke still works combined with rocket launcher, just harder to instantly kill a whole team.

I introduced my friend, who likes fps games but only plays like once every 3 weeks, and he loved the game. There are cases where the devs try too hard to focus on making the game fair, but I think Embark pulled it off right, at least before season 3.

[next rock]

Healing nerfs were kinda pointless. Since you can have 2 M it doesn't really make a difference. Like why is role lock not a thing?

[haughty niche]

revert dash nerf

[fresh shell]

Especially in cashout, mines need to not stick to dead players. (they should honestly be banned in that mode entirely, since especially on Kyoto there's cashouts that become unreachable as light, without gadget changes)

[violet elbow]

can we just revert the horrid recoil on medium and Heavy weapons? (mostly fcar for medium) so casual lobbies arent infested with Lights?

oh and nuke TKs :)

[fervent tiger]

Jjhggggv

[rough herald]

because role lock will make que time longer while only a bandage fix to everything else

[winter gull]

LFG WT EU

[wicked pond]

fix WT matchmaking

[mild wave]

Absolutely love the new changes to World Tour, keep up the good work guys (just please, buff the M60, I've tried using it lately and its just not good compared to the lewis)

[thick sorrel]

You nailed it!

Nobody was asking for Dash nerf. It was throwing knives and stun all the time. Dash is also not the reason for the increase pickrate lately so why the shot in the dark?

Why they refuse to adjust RPG and Winch Claw, when the feedback section is full of it?

[sick forum]

hate to say it man but this is a decent matchup, u only led in elims

[spiral wren]

Please ban the noobs who are getting boosted by cheaters.

[stuck sentinel]

WT is unranked lol

[quick coyote]

There is no SBMM for WT. Its 100% random.

[haughty niche]

revert dash nerf

[quick coyote]

Revert the dash nerf, it was not justified. Other classes have countless hard counters to dash and nerfing it just adds salt to injury.

[sudden tangle]

Why tf did dash get nerfed? Stop balancing around casuals that get outplayed by higher skilled lights because you forgot about sbmm.

Shit fking season only getting shitter.

Revert dash nerf or im not coming back.

[desert pecan]

anyone else lost their world tour ranking after the patch? just says "unranked" next to my name now

[worn ravine]

PLEASE add more loadout slots

[fresh shell]

Glitch trap is ass. It should trigger once, and not just be a constant annoyance
If a whole team is attacking you at cashout with a glitch trap set, you can hardly do anything, especially using melee weapons with their janky aim assist.

[cedar burrow]

So hear me out; you could shoot it

[soft valley]

why is youre name like mine are you greek ?

[cunning fiber]

Why i can’t open the game?

[cerulean birch]

just shoot it

[vernal path]

After the patch rubber banding more then ever. last night in the end of a game the server went in to extreme lag, and everyone walked in slow moton.

EU Servers

[stray pasture]

Nerf throwing daggers pls.
I takes two freakin throws to be dead as a mid and that's to much.

[restive pelican]

Agreed.
About 3 weeks ago I got gold, then it matches me with a complete noob EVERY SINGLE GAME.

Hard to play competitive game (that we can't leave) with noobs.

This is why the no team wipe cash loss is good

[tulip compass]

It takes over 2 whole seconds for a light to kill a medium with throwing knives. He has to hit 3 throws or in other words 5 knives. Please get better at the game before you try to tell the devs how to balance it as a noob. You can kill the light MUCH faster than he can kill you, the light is just better than you at the game. Instead of getting better you come on here to whine about nerfing TK.

[autumn bison]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but a light can two hit a medium using alt fire then normal throw

[pastel ravine]

the chain needs to be worked on, grabs you from behind walls and around corners like im playing some type of alien vs predator

[sharp belfry]

This is such a bad take. Throwing knives are way too easy to use for how strong they are and saying someone is just bad at the game is just as ridiculous as saying you're dependent on them so you're scared they will get adjusted.

[lavish quail]

Hello. I am new to the Finals. Does account owner can see when in-game items added (the date)? I see steelseries does giveaway of The Finals in-game items. But I cannot see if I received activated item.

[hallow cargo]

is emerald rank not working yet or am i tripping? says 0/10 tourney wins till next rank and ive won like 3 since

[severe linden]

Fix the loading screen issue. How tf hasn’t this been resolved

[quick coyote]

It is suggested that the official change the ranked matches to the platform-pushing-cart mode.

[broken pawn]

Holy shit power shift is infested with lights it’s honestly disgusting

[fresh shell]

They have insane accuracy (with any other weapon you'd have 10x the amount of chances to miss during a kill from full health) while also being a ranged weapon that is infinitely spammable.

[desert pecan]

throwing knives are overtuned

[mellow dove]

How do y’all get that new skin with the hood

[sudden tangle]

They absolutely fking arent - if you play cashout with somewhat competent teammates.

I couldn't care less about powershift, or TA, or bank it. CASHOUT IS THE FINALS CORE EXPERIENCE AND BALANCING SHOULD BE MADE AROUND IT

[daring fossil]

please fix the stars on skyway stadium

@carmine orbit they know, the patch notes say they fixed a single instance of this bug.

[vernal path]

cant get them anymore :/

[carmine orbit]

Loading screen bug is not fixed

[earnest gulch]

every game of world tour matchmaking solo q i get 2 teammates with no mics, who have default names, and who are complete bots -are there actual bots in WT? or is matchmaking so bad that i can never get competenet teammates

[stiff hedge]

I know I’m going to sound like a broken record like the rest, but why aren’t the throwing knives nerfed yet like the game just isn’t fun anymore when every match I load into is just a full team of lights with throwing knives

[clever hawk]

@dense niche This channel is far quieter than it used to be, could we please get a reduction on the slow mode timer, 10m would be my preference. Thanks.

[sweet seal]

fart

[dense niche]

Ah, I get it friend but I believe it's still best to leave it at 30 minutes. It makes people really think before sending their feedback imo and this isn't really a place for discussion/conversation.

[lavish shard]

increase bank it duration loading screen more longer than gameplay
40k -> 60k

[stray rampart]

Can confirm, it's a legit issue and one of the symbols on the screen is server performance

[shadow wraith]

Anyone else not receive the community skin reward?

[quick coyote]

• Nerf XP-54’s range

• Revert M60 to S2 stats

• Buff Medium dual blades lunge distance and ability to close space

• slight buff to Lewis recoil

• Buff both MGL and CL40

• Add ability to toggle each seasons music / favorite tracks.

• fix hit registration on spear

And finally, bring back ranked cashout.

Also, the no team cash wipe penalty isn’t the best. Please change it back.

[livid spruce]

Give us a Battle Pass system like either Halo or Helldivers II.
Being able to buy them whenever we want, but not before completing the current one.

Removes FOMO and removes the feeling of being held hostage by yet another game to finish dailies and missions to get our money worth.

If anyone wants to complain about exclusivity just give them exclusive alternative styles or badges they can wear if they ever feel the need to appear unique.

[vital crystal]

Any word on when Oscar will stop hiding and respond to the feedback that is CLEAR about the wiping being removed basically kills this game?

[tulip compass]

How is it a bad take? Their TTK is much slower than other light weapons such as LH1 and XP-54, both of which are more consistent across ranges. It is far easier to do good with those weapons than the throwing knives. Throwing knives have travel time and insane projectile fall off that they are useless outside of 10 meters.

[sick forum]

from a light main who played TK until they got so buffed it became unfair, they need a nerf. they’re used everywhere and are incredibly punishing bc each knife does so much damage especially with the headshot multiplier. imo they should do about half as much damage and be thrown quicker

[desert pecan]

nah, dawg

[coarse dew]

Don't nerf tk they are balance if you think they need a nerf you have skill issue

[cedar burrow]

Just give throwing knives ammo

[cosmic ether]

As a dash + m11 enjoyer, I'd say that I'm largely unaffected by the 1 second addition to the cooldown timer. But then again, I was never really one to spam dash. Throwing knives could use some sort of ammo, cooldown...something; I literally picked them up solely because of how busted they are. They are fun to use, just personally I think they require the least amount of skill and have very little drawbacks.

[lavish quail]

Hello. Does anybody here claimed The Finals in-game item The Mask from Steelseries giveaway?
I have a few questions regarding this item.

[sharp belfry]

Adjust throwing knives, there is not enough downside for how easy to use and strong they are. Easy to land shots at optimal range, huge damage output, and no reloading is too much.

[hearty hatch]

Winch Glitch is STILL unfixed. Can't dash, slide, interact, etc after getting Winch Clawed. This is literally game-breaking FIX IT.

[robust fox]

readd wipe penalty and cashout as ranked mode, this terminal game mode is the worst ever and has nothing to do with the finals gameplay. they can just play cs or valorant if they like it.....
i want to play the finals and not cs or valorant..

[long flame]

add replay mode like Counterstrike

[half knoll]

i love queuing up for ranked TA only to play against a new account cheater boosting his loser friends 🙂

[olive vector]

Update is feeling nice I'm liking all the changes!! 😁🤘

[visual jackal]

I'm experiencing a few more bugs, lag spikes, and frame drops from the new update

[quick coyote]

They need more accuracy drop off while jumping.

[warm fjord]

You see, this is the kind of people who make the freaking worse "add this and that like other games, copy them, copy them" honestly these feedback should go to the trash man, embark should not listen to all complainers or people that say to copy other games, if you want a freaking replay mode, go to play the F game that has the replay mode. Dont try to get THE FINALS especifically down to its ruin.

[quick coyote]

can you please put a team death match mode in the finals with three (3 )teams of 5 casual with no revives. It will be fun to play

[autumn bison]

I don't think a replay mode is going to ruin The Finals my man

[scenic mantle]

Man the burst pistol for minis is awesome but a tad bit lacking in dps. At the same time, I don’t think the game needs another mini buff.

[sharp belfry]

Another bad take, people don't play those games because they have a replay mode. It's just an amazing QoL feature that should be industry standard for competitive games and suggesting that people shouldn't want their favorite game to have features that make other games great is super unhealthy.

[feral shell]

Cashout feels so much more competitive now I really hope the changes stay for ranked. Third partying is properly nerfed by not giving them as much financial power and the first 2 vaults are actually valuable now. Last minute miracles can still happen but they’re actually difficult now and will require skill instead of luck. This is peak cashout rn.

[tame crag]

Remove the weekly challenge to play nine games of Terminal Attack. That is not challenging, that is a time sink into a mode that some/most dislike playing whatsoever.

[worn ravine]

PLEASE ADD MORE LOADOUT SLOTS PLEAAASE🙏🙏🙏🙏

[kind lynx]

like how am i supposed to fight the fatso hiding in a corner with a winch and a hamer while i have a flamethrower, literally no option to kill them, they grab me and i know it is done

[magic stratus]

I don't really care for the Cashout changes tbh. Feels like if top 2 teams are up by a decent amount, it's virtually impossible to catch up.

[long flame]

my brotha, reply mode will just make it easier to make highlights + content creation out of tournaments and other matches, not to mention the added perk of double checking potential suspected cheaters. ever heard of counter strike's Overwatch system?

The Finals + Replay mode = More materials for content creators/players or future creators or casual montage makers which equals to more wide spread content over youtube to promote the game further, more fleshed out Official/Community Tournaments, a weapon against cheaters as a proof tool and etc.

and bruh you acting as if im asking for Steam Workshop support for The Finals 💀 . Womp Womp.

Fact check: they did say they plan on doing it later down the season. But the game kinda needs it right now if possible in my opinion.

[quick coyote]

It doesn't even feel remotely competitive now. It feels like more of a clusterfuck than ever. Idk what game you're playing, but every cashout is still being third partied. You can't remedy the most effective strategy in the game. They also destroyed the comeback mechanism. Almost all of my games end in the last cashout literally being inconsequential. I've had games where doubling up the final cashout wasn't even gonna get the 3rd place team into 2nd. Every game is 2 teams running away with it, and 2 teams with no hope. They removed risk for the best teams, and hope for the worst teams by removing the teamwipe penalty. Every decent squad is now even more incentivized to 3rd party because of no team wipe penalty and higher kill rewards. This change further exacerbated the skill gap without a doubt.

[hearty hatch]

If they simply re-add Team Wipe penalty and keep everything they changed, the game would feel great.

[unique wasp]

workshop support would go hard as fuck though

[pseudo latch]

Day 125 of me begging the devs to give heavy an M134 Minigun as a Specialization.

• 200 Round magazine, ammo is restored four bullets every second, 50 seconds for a full reload.
• 20 rounds per second, eleven damage a round, 220 DPS. No headshot modifier to keep DPS from becoming insane.
• Falloff begins at 30 meters down to six damage a shot at 50, but wide spread means the weapon becomes less effective past 10 meters even against larger targets, you’re probably not getting higher than 150 DPS even as far as 10 meters.
• bullets do high damage to structures (should be breaking walls in 20-50 shots) allowing a mid-range option to output mass destruction (destroying entire walls on higher floors of buildings, ripping apart nesting sightlines)
• • significant damage to structures and players
• • gun can be pre-spooled with RMB over having an ADS (for obvious reasons, you try to aim down the sights of a water cooler)|
• • high suppressive force through sheer amount of bullets being fired
• • its a goddamn minigun
• - Heavy cannot jump or sprint while holding it, has to switch back to primary
• - lengthy equip-unequip time to balance such, no “pocket minigun” strats, choosing to use this mid-combat is a commitment, one that could get you killed.
• - gun has to spool up for a second before firing, spool up being LOUD

Also finals stream today as soon as I get a quote on a new AC unit i pwomise

[next ginkgo]

"Play 9 matches of Terminal Attack"
Fuck no. Why?!

[hidden narwhal]

feel that

[warm fjord]

Yeah as i said, i just exagerated on the fact that it would kill the game. Plus @long flame you're right, i admit it, i exaggerated by f much lol. I'm just incetivating the game to be like it was in season 1, when the game just need to be updated to new features, plus good feedback.

[feral shell]

The better team winning more makes it more competitive. If you have to depend so much on the last vaults then you don’t deserve to win and should have played the first two vaults better. I never said third parties didn’t exist, idk why people refuse to read here. I said the financial swings that happen from them are so small they don’t matter as much. Not being able to catch up after getting stomped the whole match IS a skill gap. No more miracle fluke plays to make up for playing bad for 90% of the match. Play well from the start or go back to the lobby, that’s competitive play. You’re mistaking fun for competitive.

[vital crystal]

This 100%. And anyone who doesn’t agree with that, is literally low IQ.

This change has basically killed the game.

The squad of people I play with nightly all got off after about 2 games. It just sucks now. Plain and simple. Sucks.

[orchid abyss]

I wanted to ask if you could reinstate the cash loss penalties for team wipes while exempting the defending team so they can focus on protecting their cashout without the fear of heavy penalties, which aligns with the goal of the patch. I think this could add a strategic layer to the game and discourage teams from focusing solely on TDM, which still plagues the game. (I say this because yesterday in two consecutive games, I was able to steal both vaults and drop it at my own cashout station while the server never stopped playing like it was COD). I will continue to play and drop some feedback. Thanks for reading.

[dry abyss]

Devs, will Light throwing knives ever get a reload/restock? If not, why does it make sense for Lights to infinitely throw knives when any other ranges weapon has to reload? Also will Melee weapons ever get their phantom hits nerfed? ESPECIALLY heavy hammer! Right now, melee weapons allow for phantom hits. Currently, if I fight a heavy hammer, there's times where he's NO WHERE near me, but his swing will somehow still connect if he's "close enough" to me. Clear as day he missed, but still registers as a hit. On top of that heavy hammers get jolted forward when they swing. Also, why is it with the model '87, if I shoot 1 shot, I reload 2 shells? Try it, shoot 1 shot with the model '87 and notice he reloads 2 shots. Why? Fixing this would reduce reload speed for model '87.

[sick forum]

weekly update is goated this week. if i worked at embark i would despise this community of complainers lmao

[spiral hemlock]

i’m sure it feels like running a daycare

[stuck sentinel]

💯

[strong jacinth]

We need low video settings to look like low video settings, my pc be struggling to maintain 60 fps

[hearty bough]

Does more skill gap not equal more competitive? They changes definitely feel better in terms of performing well as a squad increases your chances of actually winning. While the comeback / sudden change in placements at the last second was fun, it meant that a lot of matches were determined by luck (I.e. your team caps the first two boxes, only to lose due to getting wiped once and the last minute cash boxes being worth 22k - a team that played like dog water all game can get lucky with box spawn and successfully defend for ~1 minute, beating out teams the successfully defended 2 boxes for ~4mins total)

[tall kernel]

Love the new updates to world tour. Makes the game way more action packed and less sitting around.

[crystal umbra]

With all the invis + stun I will have to stop playing my favorite setup in world tour to compete.

I don't want to do this but if I continue to beat my head against a wall because I want to play with the bow + dash I'll end up playing the game less

So now, I'll have to run stun & invis myself to keep up.

Not ideal for me.

[remote walrus]

The no penality for dying in world tour is terrible.

[winter scroll]

Is it possible to add messages support on console?

[quick coyote]

And friend rankings

[prisma gyro]

i wish sbmm actually worked instead of putting me with 4 people who go 1-1-7 in terminal attack just because i won 5 games in a row. I'm decent at the game but im not good enough to be carrying 4 anchors, this is what I get for solo queueing i guess.

[true harness]

Agreed. We were in a similar position multiple times last night, and I'm even saying that from us being in the lead. #1 and #2 spots were completely locked, and there was nothing the other two teams could do to catch us. Literally obliterated the excitement and competitiveness of the game. We played about 5-6 tourneys last night, and they all just felt numb. Like... boring TDM-style COD crap. This isn't The Finals at all. They're going to lose players over this, and perhaps some of their more-dedicated players.

[cursive lotus]

Ya just messed up medium with that heal, no point playing them now rlly sucks cos I loved playing em

[pseudo latch]

Bro there already wasn’t any hope of that. The moment you got in first enough no one could displace you you and your team spreads out and no one will EVER find all three of you. Least now the money ends up divvied up way more often, so getting a lead like that needs to be consistently fucking earned.

[echo panther]

make the diffrent voices from the skins as an own customizable toggle so we can pair them with any skin we want

[versed cloud]

Nerf throwing knives

[restive pelican]

100% agree.

The people mad about the team wipe situation, are the ones that need a lucky team wipe so they can qualify. But they act like it's skill and they know each player and what team he is on, and they only target full team wipes.

[placid stream]

Make more casual game modes, lately even Power Shift feeling like ranked, I'll give it a break and come back when every single game doesn't feel like this, ty.

[daring fossil]

yeah but the problem with the lack of team wipe penalty is that the winning team can just sink a cashout and ignore it and go hunt for the rest of the match with no risk of losing

[vale mortar]

add back team wipe penalty

[sharp pawn]

Yes please

[feral shell]

Why should you be able to eliminate the top team and negate 7+ minutes of match just because you played bad? The top team doesn’t necessarily have the most kills I’m not sure why you think that is. You’re just telling on yourself as being bad and it sounds like you just want a casual fun mode and don’t know what competitive play means. Like most of the people complaining about the changes. Play well from the first minute to the last and you’ll win.

When these changes hopefully make it to ranked you can stay in the casual playlist and have all the fun you want.

[sharp acorn]

nerf light

[quick coyote]

We need a gifting feature fr fr

[vital crystal]

lol
I’m top 30 in the WT and your statement is just horseshit.

It ruined the gameplay of the finals. This isn’t come crappy COD knockoff (at least it wasn’t when it was created)

You and the few 5% of people that enjoy this game, don’t even put in the hours the diehards enjoy.

Go play COD.

[novel glade]

Agreed but if they leave this the way it is for casual no big deal however for ranked it should come with a penalty

[supple drum]

Can you guys add solo bank it again that was fun

[lavish shard]

increase bank it duration loading screen more longer than gameplay
40k -> 60k

[lusty gull]

not sure where to report this but I keep on having incredible lag and server issues since update 3.5 and it's worse now in 3.6.
Haven't had any problems previously with this but now it's literally unplayable for me.
And it's not just me, my frineds have the same problem and we don't know why...

I have a wired ethernet conection to my PC with 600 600 speed and should easely be able to play this game I feel like.

Here's a video of the last game I tired to play and I feel so bad for my teamates, they where also threatening me to move and stuff and said they'd report me which feels so awsome.
https://youtu.be/EQSriawbDcw

Got a whole ass 30 min suspension from playing the game I love becuse the game is having problems ?

[spice dagger]

Just realised the game had set everything to EPIC. No wonder my FPS was low

[tall kernel]

Bro, to say theirs no point playing them is insane. It’s still just as viable. Y’all complain about anything if they nerf your main class just even a tiny bit.

[cursive lotus]

So insane ☺️😘

[dry abyss]

Devs, will Light throwing knives ever get a reload/restock? If not, why does it make sense for Lights to infinitely throw knives when any other ranges weapon has to reload? Also will Melee weapons ever get their phantom hits nerfed? ESPECIALLY heavy hammer! Right now, melee weapons allow for phantom hits. Currently, if I fight a heavy hammer, there's times where he's NO WHERE near me, but his swing will somehow still connect if he's "close enough" to me. Clear as day he missed, but still registers as a hit. On top of that heavy hammers get jolted forward when they swing. Also, why is it with the model '87, if I shoot 1 shot, I reload 2 shells? Try it, shoot 1 shot with the model '87 and notice he reloads 2 shots. Why? Fixing this would reduce reload speed for model '87.

Attached are examples of phantom hits with heavy hammer

[nova flower]

We need a scarf facewear cosmetic like a winter scarf I beg

[gritty umbra]

i fucks w the new contracts being skins on world tour

[unique loom]

I feel this about the 1887 its so annoying like what is the point

[pseudo breach]

Indeed they don't

[unique wasp]

Bringing wipes back is obviously what people want, especially since this didn't actually curb third partying- but beyond that I'm really disliking how plausible unwinnable or already won matches are now.

Constant volatility and victory being up in the air in 9 matches out of 10 played a large part in the game staying exciting for me for as long as it has. A guaranteed win is boring- a guaranteed loss is just a waste of everyone's time. I'd love for the change to be reverted, but I know this would upset the certain kind of competitive player that harps on about "deserving to win" if their early game and k/d ratio is strong enough as though they're not playing an objective-based shooter. If that's not going to happen, then take it to its logical conclusion and let people quit if victory is impossible.

[wraith orchid]

BUFF DAGGER DAMAGE I LOOSE EVERY FIGHT AGAINS LIGHTS WITH ANYTHING EVEN IF I HIT THE FIRST SHOT WITHOUT THEM NOTICING: (only primary attacs) give the dagger at least 60 damage so i can finish with quick melee

[delicate notch]

I know this might be a very unpopular opinion and I know it's the newest map, but I am getting kinda tired of Kyoto. Can it go out of rotation just once in World Tour?

[fast pasture]

Can we get some basketball references and animations in the game pls that would be dope 🔥

[silent fog]

I like the getting money for plugging, I don't like the new TDM 500 per kill and not losing any money on wipe...

[sonic wigeon]

Soloq (gold) and teamed up with bronze1 and unranked, whats with that shit??

[storm siren]

Came back after not playing season 3 terrible update and won 2 back to back tournaments.

Bad decision to remove team wipe cash loss, while gaining kills is only a win while dying has no consequences.

That needs to be reverted as this promotes 3rd partying even more.

If there is reward for getting kills there needs to be more of a consequence for dying as well.

[shell pond]

Without risk to lose cash cashout Is more braindead and less strategic. Tried it out today, not liking it

[edgy lotus]

i changed my mind, i need a penalty reintroduced for teamwipes, because wiping a team twice only for them to get one wipe on your team and steal your cashout so they're in the lead is some real bs.

[young drift]

is anyone not recived the dissun dual blades skin or what, yes i got kills with season 3 wepons

[crisp dragon]

"Play well from the first minute to the last and you’ll win. " If the top team gets eliminated in the last min then they didnt play well from start to finish. Just saying

[glacial knot]

If you lose the 2 first cash out you have no more chance to win 😂😂😂😂

[quick coyote]

exactly you could win 2 fights against a team and they could have no deterrent to fight you again. Instead they could just keep throwing themselves at you while other teams do too. Its annoying.

[wanton vigil]

I don’t think it has been given out yet

[autumn sedge]

revert the m11 nerf...

[feral shell]

Good. This is the way it should be. Although you could still double the last two for 44k.

Everyone complaining are just mad they can’t fluke their way to the next round with last second steals. Casuals who want casual fun don’t understand these changes are meant for competitive play.

[gritty umbra]

team wipes need a come back fr, im wiping teams off the board but they still end up competing with points in the end anyway

[violet linden]

FIX YOUR FUCKING ANTI CHEAT or make it so when they get banned I get my elo back hella annoying to lose 1500 to a cheater

[true harness]

None of the high-end, top players (that I'm aware of) are supporting the changes. Removal of the penalty makes the game dramatically LESS competitive. As I mentioned yesterday, it's like having a hockey game, where you have the normal 3 periods, and then removing the 3rd period, and any hope of a last-minute comeback, because the other team had too much of a lead at the end of the 2nd period. It makes the whole game dramatically less fun, less exciting, and less competitive.

@stoic mist, below, EXACTLY. Spot on. Even when you're on the leading team, the game is far more boring now.

[stoic mist]

Cashout changes took out all the tension/excitement from world tours, dying doesn't feel like a problem anymore, no incentive to try and stay alive to res your team mates

[unique wasp]

It's not even like the rest of the match didn't matter before this patch. If you take two cashouts or in the best case scenario, win a double cashout and then take one more, you could potentially wind up in a good position to sit on a box, and playing keepaway is much easier to manage than playing defense in a certain spot. You could practically guarantee your spot if you took risks and significantly overperformed.

It's not like third partying isn't still a very effective strategy (arguably moreso, since there's no penalty for wipes.) You still have plenty of situations where you "do really well" and lose off of one or two flubs because that's just the way the game works- it's just that sometimes the end of the round is really boring now.

[cursive lotus]

Wizard outfit 🧙‍♂️

[trail mortar]

CASHOUT CHANGES: MIXED FEELINGS

Having played once since the change, I find that the competition and the intensity of each match has decreased. With how forgiving the cash penalty is ($0 lost) it seems to discourage engaging with the top team. Although, I do admire that inting from a troll random doesn't punish the team as much either. It gives opportunity for different loadouts/builds to take place without being severely punished too. Below are the pros and cons about my thoughts so far, after one day of playing the changes:

Pros
Inting doesn't punish the team nearly as bad as it did with team-wipe penalty
Reduces the reward for qualifying team(s) punishing non-qualifying teams
Receiving 30% of cashbox opens different depositing strategies for all light teams

Cons
Feels more casual due to loss of cash penalty; less competitive
Since inting doesn't punish the team, it doesn't discourage the behavior
No cash penalty for team wipes increases difficulty for lower teams to qualify
3rd partying still occurs even with changes

[remote holly]

If you go on a world tour, the team that can do it picks only the team that can't do it. This is very unpleasant because the opponent posted it to play against the easier team, not to go up the round with my skills. I don't even like this. If this is repeated, not only new users but also other users will feel this wall and play the game quickly. A good team. A good team. If you look at this, you can definitely feel that the team that doesn't have the skills to help our team. Oh, the opponent posted it when I'm not good at it. You can like it or you can hate it, but I think this is the polarization of cashout. I think this needs to be improved

[heavy citrus]

You still can't block block to prevent them from playing with you

[delicate notch]

Bring back the wipe penalty.

[sacred cypress]

bring back atleast 10-15% cash loss by wipe. if your team gets wiped, a punish is well deserved.

[pseudo latch]

Bro you out here picking fights with everyone in this chat, I ain’t even wasting the braincells reading this.

[scarlet jetty]

can we pls stop the game suspension penalty timer? the game crashes way too often because every update were introduced with a new bug and we pay for it in time-loss.

[teal cargo]

Sometimes Scotty and junes dialogue is so long it gets cut off

[tame valve]

Instead of changing cash out change it back to what it was the whole game mode has lost its appeal the recent update is terrible
Instead fix what’s really broken in the game
Ranked I have teammates leave mid game yet I’m the one that is severely punished how does that makes sense
Fix the CURRENT RANKED and not what’s working for the game
How is the matchmaking is still so bad after so long good lord fix your game
I’ve been playing since day one but ranked is not it
Every game I have a player leave mid game what am I supposed to do

[deep summit]

L update, before you was able to win with a bad team, now its basically impossible.
Since Skill Based Match Making isn't a thing, this will heavily impact most solo queue players

[quick coyote]

Matchmaking is working as intended and yes, its garbage. This is what EOMM looks like, and you should expect nothing less from a free game that wants to manipulate you into playing more by creating artifically difficult matches by grouping you with people below your skill, while matching you against people above your skill. Solo Q in this game forces you to be able to carry to get beyond even gold. If you cannot carry 4/5 matches, you will not rank up. The game doesn't let you.

[edgy lotus]

i've finally finished all the world tour contracts so i confidently say world tour is only fun when you win and ranges from bad to active torture when you don't

[wise jolt]

in my personal experience it feels like CASHOUT is alot more static feeling with the 'no cash loss on teamwipe'. the cash loss on wipe meant u couldnt wrecklessly grief other people when ur in a spot where u literally cannot get knocked out anymore. being 3rd and 4th place feels alot more helpless because u have so little options. before there was the option to wipe a team and quallify that way. all the other changes are great

[swift laurel]

can we just roll back every pushed update since release and fix the real problems like everyone that has been around since before release has been asking all this time because the game went from a solid game to just issues on issues

[proud dagger]

I love turning on cross play for the first time in weeks and my first game is against a hacker with sniper that drops 21 kills and 20k damage in 8 rounds as a silver.

[misty jasper]

I think cash loss on teamwipe should be added maybe to a 20% deduction instead of 30%. Still need to experiment more of the changes, but I do like the way how the new changes discourage camping and ratting, since it actually matters more now getting a box into a cashout. Regardless it’s going to be impossible to please everyone since there are different play style that respond better to pre changes or worse with pre changes and vice versa with post changes.

Oh and getting 500 per kill feels good. Makes the kills feel like they matter more.

That’s true @wanton vigil, but as someone pointed out a while ago, it does give the 1st and sometimes 2nd place team (and now that I think about it, almost all the teams) that there is absolutely no consequence to griefing other teams, or just pushing as a third party for no reason

[tall kernel]

I think opposite. I feel like the games are way more exciting than ever before.

[silent fog]

No cash lost on wipe feels too forgiving, especially with 500 per kill.

[wanton vigil]

i personally think it feels pretty good so far
it makes me not feel like i’m getting punished for having two teams push me while i’m defending the cashout
some tweaks with team wipes could be nice to test out though

@misty jasper i do see how that could be a problem
i haven’t experienced it personally, but i think it’s a step in the right direction

@zealous kettle i agree with you, however due to the nature of it being a 4 team game, it’s not a simple problem to fix those kind of situations

[feral shell]

Competitive in the sense of FPS doesn’t mean is everyone in the lobby able to win at any one moment. It means is skill being promoted above all else. The third period of a hockey game is basically eliminated all the time if the lead is big enough. They don’t start the third period 0-0 just because the better team stomped the worse team and they don’t lower the better teams score so the other team can catch up. The entire game matters, not just the last period. Thats exactly what these new changes introduced and that’s why it’s more competitive.

I don’t disagree that it’s less fun or exciting but those two things aren’t relevant when discussing competitive balancing. Competing and winning is meant to be where the fun comes from.

[raw moss]

What you described with hammers “jolting forwards” is the melee aim assist or the hammer user sliding. What you also described with hammer isn’t a phantom strike/hit but the hammer having a lingering and slightly disjointed hitbox on the slam. Phantom strikes are a completely different and advanced piece of tech.

[dry abyss]

So explain those 2 videos I posted

[late flower]

I think the goal of getting rid of the cash loss on team wipe is because in any mode when you're the last alive

You just kinda have to stop playing the game or hide or just run away it completely halts the game and it forces the last person to just wait like they're being punished for there teammates dying in unfavorable positions

[fervent vortex]

new game changes are so shit you can win a scrim on triple light only 3rding and never holding a cash, great changes guys

[crisp dragon]

The problem is that this change has just turned the mode into a giant TDM. whats the point of having an objective based mode if the objective is made pointless/unneeded for a win

[pseudo latch]

For fucks sake guys you said you fixed this glitchhttps://clips.twitch.tv/KathishAffluentCourgettePanicBasket-Dtbrjl5jkBwR1GPs https://clips.twitch.tv/NiceTrustworthyAlpacaLitFam-dtRcZlxt6dmkWC1j

[vital crystal]

If this game doesn’t get reverted back to the way it was, I guarantee the numbers of players / playtime will plummet within 7 days.

FIX THE DAMN GAME

[toxic stone]

@vital crystal 100% agree

[lunar creek]

Horde defense pve coop mode for finals would be epic. One team of 5 tries to extract successively higher amounts of cash, with every increment coming with a steep increase in number and difficulty of enemies. They could even call the mode "The Heist". Enemies could be Vaiiya enforcers while the players try to extract as much as possible for the CNS.

[violet vigil]

Please add a magazine fed lmg for heavy

[quick coyote]

Revert the dash nerf.

[tame valve]

lol it’s one thing to have that but it’s another to be in gold rank and have bronze teammates
There are no excuses for a really bad matchmaking system pls stop
L

[quick coyote]

That's like 8k worth of kills, so clearly you held cash. lol

[deep summit]

L Update, these updates keep getting worse and worse, it’s almost like they are trying to make the game die out.

[tall kernel]

Awesome update. Maybe add team wipe penalty back but just a less amount, other than that the games are a lot more exciting and chaotic which make it really fun

[silk imp]

the hit registration is so ass sometimes holy shit

[honest siren]

Im already off it. The changes in the last patch have been discussed for ahwile and its become clear to me that the devs never wanted the same game i enjoyed playing.

to be fair, making the game simple and easier to understand to the more simple minded players who dont care about strategy and want a more straightforward shooting game will probably lead to more players. more players means more money, and thats better for the company anyway.

tragic that its where we are, but its honestly not likely that anything will be changed in favor of what the game started as. Its not fair to the average braindead shoot em up player, and thats where the money comes from.

People just want to get off of work and smoke weed, play a shooting game, and buy a cool skin to wear with the bros. Cant fault the company for making money. Just thought we were playing a different kind of game. But we see what happened when it was like that, people get tired of playing and leave, and even then half of the people that stayed cant be bothered to learn how to count.

it is what it is.

[scarlet jetty]

Update pretty much killed the game. White screen when loading in lobby and hit registration is broken. Not to mention the forever-loading screen bug just to get penalized for an hour. How are we getting worse with each update??????

[strange wren]

They need to lower the exp needed on page 13 & 14 of the season pass 70,000 exp needed for 1 tier only 4 pages but feels like we're having to put in more for less. Don't want to be sat there everyday until end of the season for 4 pages of cosmetics just leave it how it was.

[violet elbow]

doesnt actually understand that these changes make the mode more competitive and MORE complicated (besides wipes) than it was before.

makes sense tho u never played against competent players anyway

legit the only bad change is the no wipe penalty

[feral bloom]

Embark could actually ask pro players or the fellas whove played the game alot about changes they think they should implement
similar to what XDefiant has cuz it actually holds better value than a mixed response which would take ages to surf through

[sage sapphire]

Game isn’t fun anymore. EVERYTIME the pay change it more people drop off. I put 1k hours into this game, and I can’t force myself to play it for more than 2 hours anymore

[storm siren]

They basically follow Fortnite with the extra pages that take an extreme amount of grind to get

[sharp belfry]

Sounds like burnout

[civic tusk]

+1 to revert changes of team wipe penalty AND cashbox system

[feral shell]

It seems like everyone is using different definitions of competitive.

Generally competitive in FPS means that the outcome of a match is due to a skill gap where the best players win. This is why cashout was removed from ranked - because too many flukes happened and third party was OP.

A lot of people are saying these new changes are making the game less competitive just because they’re seeing more lopsided final scores. That’s because there’s almost no SBMM so the skill gap is now really showing itself, not because the new rules aren’t competitively balanced. The best players are dominating and you can’t pull some fluke steal while other teams fight.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

[restive scaffold]

The patch is experimental.

[ancient ocean]

L take

[warm ether]

add a rpk

[unique wasp]

Even most competitive games don't tend have a considerable stretch of their match time where victory is impossible. Even if you earnestly believe that less volatility is good for this game (although at this point I kind of doubt that the kind of person who genuinely gets upset when they get "frauded" at the last cashout will be pleased with these changes forever as 3rd partying is still very strong and present, and they'll be asking for 2 team ranked cashout or something sooner or later) there still needs to be more tweaking so you don't have people waiting to lose or waiting to win as often. If there's no chance for a comeback I'd rather the round just end, regardless of which side of that I'm on. To me killing time waiting for the win isn't a reward, it's a waste of my time.

[honest verge]

I shouldn't be punished for leaving a match after a teammate has quit.

[olive vector]

Sort the Cloaking out for the love of God!!!! I can't see it at ALL!!!

[dreamy turret]

please fix your game it is crashing all the time

[fringe schooner]

Day 78 of asking to segregate console from pc. Clear advantage with cqc and wildly easier process to create a new account after getting a ban. The game is dead on console unless this is addressed

[karmic fiber]

At least 15% penalty on team wipe please

[deep summit]

The updates keep getting worse and worse, It's almost as if they want the game to die out.

[finite wind]

BRING BACK TEAM WIPE PENALTY, now the game feels boring and no penalty it's useless for discourage the third party.

[crisp dragon]

man CO feels so damn casual now. It feels like there is zero risk/reward

[neat fossil]

The loading screen bug seems even more common now, I have gotten it 3 times in the last 2 hours. It seems to happen while I am alt-tabbed out of the game

[dark depot]

MOTHER OF CHRIST CHANGE THE WIPE PENALTY BACK TO HOW IT WAS.

The game is absolutely dogshit bollox bow because of that 1 change. STOP FIXING STUFF THAT ISNT BROKEN !!

[pure terrace]

Add Team Deathmatch

[fervent vortex]

honestly after playing the patch in scrims for the past 2 hours, its the worst state the game has ever been in, there is almost 0 reason to play on your cashout you just put it in for the money then go 3rd the other cash in hopes for more points, the putting in is a good idea but its too much money on depo and the no wipe is in the top 3 worst changes to the game

[lime lichen]

Please set up some public test servers or something, let's us test patch changes before you release them.

[flint shell]

can we please bring back the penalty for getting wiped? game is not the same.

[tame crag]

Charge and slam is ridiculous

[sleek flame]

When is the next patch to deal with cheaters, huh?

[stable path]

vegas needs more variants like construction and suspended platforms and other maps need sand variants

[violet elbow]

I feel like the plug change even is fine, the wipe change just completely removes any reason to not int every fight

[unkempt basalt]

There’s a bug that breaks the gateway every now and then. I don’t know if it’s known and I also don’t know how to recreate it but I had a round where I could not throw my gateway at all

[jovial sonnet]

just got banned for 2 hours for leaving even though my teammate had already left fix this

[latent shoal]

The cashout change is great, the spawn of the box in the begining of the match is cool, but remove the team wipe is not a good idea, we don't have any pressure to get team wipe, we can run and die to try to steal or something else. I think you sould put the -30% or -20% team wipe

[elder iron]

Ngl I like the removal of team wipe penalties. It feels like the games I’ve played are more fast paced and fair. They always end up being fairly close too. It’s kind of interesting

[crystal umbra]

Another day of not playing TA

[quick coyote]

Will say it again, upping kill values + removing wipe penalty = more 3rd parties by the teams you already dont want to show up

[pseudo latch]

I mean it used to, but like many things, people complained it out of the game.

[tender pasture]

maybe shorten the season time frame! i feel like seasons last way too long

[patent wind]

ong

[feral shell]

That was the point of the change. “Can we change back the change intended to change the game” isn’t feedback.

[white socket]

optimize the game

[crisp dragon]

https://tenor.com/XXPM.gif

[untold ore]

im the only one whose game put ultra settins with rtx randomly?

[velvet olive]

You have been cursed to. HAVE A GOOD LOOKING GAME!!

[sonic raft]

Can we get an early midweek update to fix the no team wipe penalty? WT is literally unplayable.

[woeful cedar]

Yeah it feels like tdm with extra steps now tbh, I have a good amount of ‘game sense’ and have a decent amount of hours in game, but my aim isn’t amazing. I used to still rack up high kill games by playing tactically, and every match felt exciting and I was addicted. Now I feel like the game is kinda boring because there’s no real strategic aspect without the team wipes and it’s just a ffa. I’m always hopeful that embark will listen to its community and if they don’t completely revert the team wipe penalty I hope they at least make it 20-25%. I think the penalty should still stay to keep the magic of cash out alive

[vital crystal]

Played 2 games today and shut off the Xbox. It has absolutely no draw to me anymore with these new rules. It’s completely boring.

Well done Oscar. You’ve blown it.

[sharp belfry]

Take break, ez

[crystal umbra]

Gadget ideas:

Ice bomb
-Slows enemies
-Deals slight DOT damage
-Leaves ice behind on the ground/walls making it slippery
+Intereacts with fire to stop flames

Note: I think it would be cool to use it as a kinda trap. The other day I got flung off a cashbox that I was supposed to steal and I lost the tournament because of that glitch but it would be a clutch way to stop ppl from stealing cash outs.

[lament sluice]

Performance getting worse every patch is tragic

[nocturne badger]

may i say that new cashout is dogshit? who the fawk were you thinking to solve? the game is bland and boring

[wraith orchid]

revert dash nerf pls

[livid spruce]

servers lagging like crazy??

[waxen sorrel]

Just played a WT match where the new no wipe does sorta make sense. 1st was not possible but 2nd had about 24k and us in third had 19k. We actually stole the cashout from 2nd place with a minute left but our team as a whole was worse we went the first 3 or so minutes with 0 kills only getting a total of 6 kills between all of use we got lucky on that steal as a 3rd party. In the old system we would have moved on and they would of lost. But we ended up losing rightly so. I do see how the penalty brings more nuanced to the game but maybe that penalty was too harsh. You already have a longer timer when team wiping. I think a happy medium might be a 10% penalty where a single team wipe won't matter but definitely multiple ones will

[lapis basin]

WE NEED SOME SORT OF TEAM WIPES BACK! PEOPLE ARE PLAYING 10X MORE AGGRESSIVE NOW SINCE THERE IS NOTHING TO LOSE.

[spark shard]

No strategy anymore, brainless game mode, people acting as donkeys. They need to bring back wipe penalty and not in the sense we had previously, something new, a new formula to calculate the money penalty or something like that.

[quick coyote]

Its absolutely fucking horrible. Revert it tomorrow. Hotfix thanks. This is just a joke. Nothing but 3rd parties now all the time. It was so obvious that there would be by the patch notes, I cannot fathom who makes decisions at Embark. For real. I do not understand how you think the most viable strategy in your game was going to change by removing all the risk, and INCREASING the kill reward for farming 3rd/4th party kills. Holy shit Embark. Hire me. I'll work remotely for healthcare.

[daring fossil]

they said next patch

@dim pawn world tour was literally put in the game to test cashout changes. TEST changes. EXPERIMENT. god no one reads patch notes and everyone cries without context or understanding

[floral shoal]

Some of ya'll make warnings about player numbers like you're some sort of Internet Hacker group blackmailing someone. 😂

[radiant path]

Hello,
this change is game breaking "Removed cash penalties from team wipes".

• Coins System is useless
• Overtime can sometimes be skipped if both winning team have a big enough cash gap, no chance to win the game anymore
• Player are way more agressive
• Gamemode of cashout changed completly

Please remove the "no penalty of team wipes", it's a different game and I loved to play finals but first no ranked mode and now this changes.

Thanks,
Lukas

[nocturne badger]

can you make WT accessible to those who are at least level 20 ??? iis so fwking frustrating playing with poor knowledge guys

[subtle topaz]

bring the vipe system back, it is impossible to catch up with the team that has taken the lead, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE! one box costs 10,000, to get the same money I need to kill 6 teams from which I will get 9,000, that is, 18 kills!! Do you even play what you do? do you run tests? and then there is a box for 15k and 22k!!! this is the stupidest system

[woeful cedar]

It’s not Oscar’s fault 😭, he’s the community manager. Although yeah I’m not a fan of the changes myself

[upper citrus]

💀

[pastel cypress]

I keep getting backstabbed in the face with a dagger

[haughty niche]

revert dash nerf

[lapis basin]

We just need a 15-25% team wipe penalty and keep the same updates!!!!

[urban grove]

Removing the penalty for a wipe in WT is so bad

[glad delta]

I feel like it's way easier to win recently

[sharp belfry]

Cashout changes are good, TW penalty is still there in that it takes forever to respawn.

[spark shard]

Mate, there is something called a/b testing in software engineering to not f* up to us. They could make a bias of people for doing this type of experiments. But yeah, who am I to say that? Let's continue in this way to reach 1 player as player basis.

[strong ermine]

Give mission alternatives when circuit says play 9 games of X mode. I don't want to play 9 TA games.

[uncut imp]

i don’t even know where to start. for a little bit of background my friend called my phone when the beta was out and got me into the finals (played since the start of the beta) i watched this game grow and the devs listen to everything that everyone is saying up until s2. they dropped terminal attack which nobody really asked for (no offence) and everyone kind of shrugged it off thinking you guys are just trying to make another quick play game mode and some people were fuckin with it but not everybody was. which kinda should’ve been a hint. s3 comes around and y’all snap by adding new gadgets, guns specializations and on top of that you guys took out the most important game modes in the game. even the people who play ranked terminal attack complain about the new season. my point behind this message is y’all are absolutely cooking this game completely. first cashout ranked gets removed then for the very few people that still play cashout yall add a bunch of new cashout changes (big one being no team wipe penalties) and now nobody wants to play anymore. the game was known for 2 things and those being: 1. anything can be broken. 2. you are never in a losing position. first place (33k) has a active stacked cashout and second place has 32k if you were to team wipe 2nd place last second u could win without grabbing the cashout that everyone is camping and looking at. that wasn’t a good example but u get what i mean. it’s a pointless update and the smart players with decent game sens don’t get rewarded for much anymore. nothing feels rewarding anymore and i don’t think a emerald skin will change that. bring back the normal team wipe penalty in cashout, put kills back to 200 and give us ranked next season for cashout again.

[violet vigil]

#👂┇game-feedback message
Please add an AUG HBAR, BREN or BAR

[nocturne badger]

im plating just for battlepass rewards

[covert pagoda]

I like that they're using world tour to experiment with Cash Out and hopefully use that to experiment with other modes. S4 should most certainly have CO and TA as competitive modes.

[wispy vault]

the new cashout rules make the game feel less exciting cuz wipes feel meaningless (both ways, killing and getting killed)

[distant oar]

I personally really like it now because it makes third partying much less annoying. I've been winning far more matches now becuase of pure skill rather than a team slipping in a win last second

[violet skiff]

i feel like the matchmaking in ranked is not working properly sometimes and doesn't make sense at all

[icy steeple]

I like @uncut imp have been playing the finals since winning the lottery on the first day of the first closed beta. I've put A LOT of time into this game, and no matter what, for every hour I've played the **only ** time you are guaranteed to lose is the last 5 seconds of the last cashout. I have pulled off 4th -> 1st comebacks with 7 seconds left, gotten a wipe that put my team in 2nd by a single dollar, and so much more. I have loved this game because no matter what you could get yourself in a winning position either by luck, skill, or strategy. This update ruined that. the fact that wipes mean nothing and kills are worth so much just made it a destructible hardpoint game. When I play light I average 14-18 kills a game, which is $7,000-$9,000. The top end of that is worth more than the first cashout now. So the entire strategy of the game has turned into play light, get vaults in the cashouts and then just go for kills until the new vaults spawn. No incentive for team play, no incentive for defense, barely any incentive to play cohesively, medium and heavy are basically useless now, utility is just for fun. No point in rezzing teammates or staying alive now either for anything more than a time advantage on a vault. If you manage to get 5-6 vaults in cashout boxes, without even trying to defend you will make $25,000-$32,000 alone. That in most games easily puts you in 1st or 2nd. The ability to win games because you pulled off some crazy play is just pretty much gone. This update has completely ruined cashout as even slightly competitive game mode. The last 8 games I played, just to try to prove my hypothesis wrong I got into the finals by **JUST ** putting vaults into cashouts. My team and I in several games, didn't even try to defend, as there is no point. Lets calculate a single game with no teamwipes. [Vaults $3,000x2+$5,000x1+$7,000x2] +[Kills $3,000+$4,500+$1,500] = $34,000 - with zero attempts to try to play the cashouts. How is this fair embark?

[sonic raft]

WT feels so different. Idk how to explain it. But everyone is so aggressive, there are less 1 on 1 fights with teams, third partying happens so frequently. I don't like these changes. Teams will just grief for the fun of it because they know they won't lose cash. I want to go back to the way it was. No 30% at the begining of the cashout, team wipe penalties need to come back.

[somber snow]

Forcing players to play Terminal Attack as a Stage contract feels awful. It's not rewarding. I'm not enjoying any of the matches. Having evenly split teams feels like the exception rather than the default. The pacing of TA isn't something I want to do. But I feel like I have to do the contract.
The contract feels like work, not something that should be part of a game.

[rapid merlin]

I agree the new changes make this mode unplayable and they did nothing about the painfully long respawn timer

[real rivet]

yunu necmi a turkish hacker, so now turlksh hacker leaved cs2 and came to the finals

[last swift]

3 people leave my TA ranked team. I can’t win, I can’t forfeit, I can’t leave without taking a punishment, all I can do is kill myself at the beginning of every round to speed the process up. At the end of it all I still lose rs even though it was a 2 man team for a majority of the game.

[quick coyote]

I was wondering about the strategy of just putting in vaults and moving onto kills and then putting in the next vault. I finally wound up with 2 lights, and with the portal, its an insanely viable strategy. Vault 1 > usually not 3rd partying. Wipe the team, put the vault in. Go 3rd party other cashout. Strategically wipe yourselves while the other 2 fight as the cashout wraps up. Spawn near next vault. Repeat.

Its really bad.

[unique loom]

I preferred world tour before the changes, with the exception being the amount you get when you deposit the box. Kill reward is too much, and no team wipe penalty defeats a lot of good things.

Also vault spawn locations are somehow worse than before

[uncut imp]

they just need to start listening to us or add a separate game mode that they can experiment with instead of using the game mode that the game itself is known for and ruining the name behind it. it’s honestly frustrating seeing how the game is now but i just hoooope they start listening to us again and redo everything the way it was before it’s too late. fortnite did the same thing and now it’s just kids that play it

[covert pagoda]

I mean, they're called "contracts." Are there examples of contracts in games not feeling grindy? I do think they need long-term contracts, maybe rebranded into "accolades" for gameplay mastery like 5,000 kills with fire or something. Similar to Halo Reach?

VR currency and its lack of application could be related to a possible solution somehow...

[echo urchin]

The problem with balancing around pros, sweats, etc. is that they are either freaks of nature or cheating.

So they cite TTK stats because they have laser aim and all that shit, while they rest of us deal with the reality of the weapons.

[upper kettle]

Fails to load in
Receives ban

Actually, fuck you.

[urban grove]

Just got the cash out in the last second of WT and went to 1st, then it reversed it and kicked us from the tournament. amazing game.

[glossy wigeon]

This game is so unbalanced its not even funny. The devs would rather give heavy the world and nerf lights before they even think about touch heavy

[night glen]

I wish the grenades you throw and see flying would remain even if you die before they land.

[unique wasp]

I think it would've been wise to make this an experimental LTM instead of an immediate change to the main cashout mode pushed right after announcing it. I know it is an experiment and subject to change, but it feels much more severe when the main cashout gamemode is suddenly vastly different without any alternative present.

I'll repeat what a few others have iterated- there's more 3rd partying than ever, there's way more mindless aggression, and the tension of a reversal always being possible is largely absent. I understand that a lot of comp players want to win more consistently, but this doesn't feel like an effective way of making that possible while maintaining what makes the game fun.

[unborn mirage]

100% Facts

[opal ocean]

Edit

[quick coyote]

Embark, SYS$ Horizon map is flash banging me at the beginning , is that a bug?

[rapid stream]

Its a feature

[night vortex]

I like the changes as far as the 30/70 reward, but no team wipe reduces possible strategies when trying to comeback. Having no way to reduce a team’s cash makes comebacks so much harder.

I’ve also been third partied so much more since we started. People having no punishment for team wiping has made it more effective to push as aggressively as possible and team wipe quickly as to get back in to the game to do it again.

[covert pagoda]

love this. the player frames would be a good op too, like an OSPUZE sponsor player card

[quick coyote]

Gonna be honest, hard to take Embark seriously when the exact opposite of their intentions happens. They actually thought they reduced 3rd partying huh. Nothing but 3rd parties at all moments. This is just awful dude, the game feels bad on all fronts now. There's no tension, its just a clusterfuck of fuckin RPGs, dashing swords and daggers, 3rd and 4th party grenades coming from everywhere, glitch mines everywhere. Embark you need to seriously considering firing the game director. For real.

Buff Dematerializer and Jump Pad.

Dematerializer: Buff to dematerialization area of effect so that it's impossible to dematerialize a wall into another, immediately adjacent wall or object.

Jump Pad: The Jump Pad works INSTANTLY and doesn't have an initial cooldown.

Also buff the Cancel Queue button. Currently, pressing the button has a chance of it simply not working and putting you into a game instead. Fix this please.

[hasty forum]

right on. 50% cashout value given over capture duration woulda been the ONLY needed fix to remove 3rd party meta

[honest siren]

honestly can second this almost, like, its almost like the person who is making the changes has no idea what the game is like from the players perspective.

The original concept seems well designed, and had many caveats to create an amazing experience.

simply put
-if you win the first box you have gained the first half of an advantage. if you win the next box you are guarrenteed to qualify unless you get teamwiped
-if you lose the first box, you still have a chance to qualify if you get the second box, but you will have to not make a mistake on the 3rd box.
-if you lose the first and the second box, you can still qualify from the 3rd box, but may have to win by a team wipe.

as much as people complain about 3rd partying, if you gain both of the first boxes, you can still lose to a 3rd box or by teamwipe.
the same can be said about the second boxes.

there is a basic 3 part system where any team can win at any of the 3 checkpoints and that makes it simple but good.

-the latest update-
(and the direction embark seems to want to move with the game)

teamwipes which is a core part of the 3 checkpoint system is removed, almost completely removing the core flow of the game. who decided this?

the cash from kills is boosted to further imbalance the core gameplay and make it so its more focused on getting kills rather than the objective focused game which obviously alot of work was put into to design. the numbers were perfectly balanced before to make for very close calls if the sbmm did its job properly.

the time to steal increase doesnt change much gameplay except making it harder for people to steal under pressure, removing a core steal strategy from the game, to take while two teams are hurt while fighting for the box. It also actually hinders a team from being able to win on the most important box, the likely game changing one, the 3rd box. on the 3rd box worth 22k, it is almost guaranteed that if the box is planted, due to the time on the timer, that there will be all 4 teams coming for it, making it actually one of the most challenging times to clutch in a game. It makes sense as well, that if you win the first two boxes then you have secured an advantage and won during the easy part. but if you have lost then you still have a chance to win, but it will be more challenging to do so.

the teams you fight on the 3rd box are likely teams that have already beaten you, so it is a last hail mary attempt to secure a top 2 placement, and thats why its crucial that this part of the game is well balanced. and it was, making it possible for people to make the plays needed to go for a last second steal with only 5 seconds left on the match timer.

removing teamwipes not only directly removes the chance to qualify from a 3rd box, and the change to the timer makes it even harder to win at an already hail mary attempt to qualify.

all of these changes are directly obtuse to the system that was created. its completely backwards from the core game.

I understand taking feedback from the community, but this feedback (and many related feedbacks in the last 6 months) have been from people who didnt understand this system and you listened to their feedback. What i dont understand is how we have mixed up feedback about bugs with feedback that (in short) was a lack of understanding of the game that is clearly very well designed. Somebody has to have spent hours doing the math to make sure that 10k divided by 3 plus 15k divided by 3 etc. etc. and worked out the possible scenarios so that we have the numbers we have. theres no way that was an accident.

So the real question is, what is going on where somehow an executive decision was made that the actual core design of the game be thrown out and dulled to the point that it no longer functions as intended. many of these decisions are very clearly not made by the same person or people who designed the original game.

PS. sorry goblinofficer I was replying to you but start typing too much

[violet vigil]

#👂┇game-feedback message

[midnight aurora]

Let us reroll challenges. I do not want to play TA never mind 10 matches of it.

[lean bluff]

let us remove sights from weapons life F scar and xp-54

[static wolf]

still getting infinite loading screen, good job embark

[vital crystal]

Is sleepy joe behind the changes of this game?

[storm siren]

you are very on point with the 3 check point system where before you were able to win at every stage of the game with a few mistakes.
And that is how it should remain.

I think they shud make kills worth 250 and add a team loss deduction around 15-20%

I also think they are throwin ideas out mid season to see how we react and play thru till season 4.

They did something right by making kills worth more but made a mistake by removing team wipe cash loss.

And also adding 1 second to steal time is just an insult to injury? there was no reason to do that!

The amount of time we almost get a steal and are short by miliseconds or round ending was enfuriating as is!

[hazy sequoia]

Can someone explain how i teamwiped the enemies team and stole their cashout and they still have more than us? What made this game fun is the plot twists that happen at the end of the game but now its nearly impossible to make a comeback as the final cash out gives 15k which is NOTHING FOR ENDGAME

[glass sandal]

TOURNAMENT CASHOUT SUCKS!!! WE WIPE 2 TEAMS ANND WE STILL LOSE BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER LOSE MONEY

[marsh raptor]

Reading the patch notes on the last one I was a little worried about the changes. Ngl.
Thought it was gonna be a lot of Lights running around constantly looking for picks and vault placements. Also the adjustment towards tdm felt a little astray at first.

Prior to 3.6 Cashout had a lot more capacity for macro strategy. Looking at the cash numbers was always the first step to optimizing a path of action. Part of me definitely misses this.

The macro strategizing is significantly nerfed, and the whole concept of calculating where to position based on the immediate cash and factoring team wipe.

However after due hesistance, I must admit I actually really like this switch up.

The rounds definitely feel more dynamic to play. Without the inhibition of a teamwipe penalty there is every reason to rush faster tactical plays.

I also like the Vault box going in, this adds a whole new dimension of how to get cash.

There is also now soft compensation for those cycling pit fights which used to be irrelevant for winning.

Also the last minute no longer really has any sort of "endgame" phase like before. You can just keep fighting and fighting without worrying about the teamwipe penalty .

I only run with WT with at least 1 other party member and frequently 3 stack. Having a team is the only way to play. Talk about what youre doing and where youre going.

[flat solstice]

if the cash loss on team wipe returns, can you please add an indicator as to how much cash you'll have after a team wipe.

[covert pagoda]

What if Cash Out had a Headhunter type of adjustment, where the team in the lead is the only one prone to cash loss on team wipe?

[flint goblet]

If someone leaves in a ranked game, let everyone else leave without penalty if they want as well ffs. You're wasting people's time and it's not cool

[modern pivot]

Glitch mines can be quite annoying, especially when you're running dash. It'd be nice if there was a way to see the range of these mines, even if it's not super easy to see in combat or very apparent.

[quick coyote]

Embark find a new game director and formulate an actual roadmap like a normal studio. If you have an internal one, throw it out. Institute a public test server. Stop experimenting on a live game.

[crystal cave]

Hey embark just had some thoughts I wanted to share that I think would make the game more fun. I really like the idea of live events however I really love the idea of live events having a full effect on the way the players play the game for a full 2 minutes. We see this with low gravity and sometimes orbital lasers, however the other live events don’t really affect the game. Yes they are really cool but I would like to see more affect. I feel like MEGA DAMAGE should allow for weapons to destruct and make walls easier, for example someone playing F CAR can now make small holes in the wall while this event is active.

Here are some live events Ideas I came up with that would change the way the game is played:

STICKY SITUATION: similar to dead go boom whenever someone is killed the explode into pieces of goo that fly in different directions. It wouldn’t be too crazy since you won’t die, but you have to watch out because you can get stuck in the goo.

Not sure what to call this one but a live event in which whenever someone is being shot they are slowed down.

[digital aspen]

stop listening to the noobs

[jovial needle]

make the flashbang do something besides blinding ppl, since ive been using it and blinded people can still beam me, maybe make it like the cod stun grenade where it slows down ur movement/sensitivity? another idea i have is to make it blind turrets too so they cant target ppl while blinded

[earnest sierra]

so throwable stun gun? yeah great idea

[fresh coyote]

Currently fighting over change

[midnight aurora]

If the player sends a crash report then stop giving suspensions. You're suspending people for trying to play your game.

[mild gust]

I second this flashbang needs a buff 🙏🏾🙏🏾

[pulsar tide]

i think if it had a lesser affect on teammates and a full affect on yourself and enemies. with a 1.5 second duration increase it be a solid ass choice

[blazing moss]

Remove terminal attack challenges

[hasty fog]

Had to play the last 3 rounds of terminal attack by myself..so fun 🫠

[obtuse hinge]

It’s an impairment item, there is no way a flash bang would disrupt a turret. And if he still beamed you either your flash didn’t hit him or he just shot in the obvious direction you were coming from

[minor notch]

does it say smth along the lines of "+50 Blinded Enemy"

since a hitmarker just means it detonated near them

[crisp ginkgo]

patch 3.6 made the game unplayable (crashes on launch) for linux users, FIX IT PLEASE 🙏

https://www.protondb.com/app/2073850

[jovial needle]

well its a big flash of blinding light, it should definitely disrupt a turret's sensor/camera. plus this dude was literally covering his face with one arm and blocking bullets with his sword with the other

[faint flame]

@pearl kiln You need to fix loading screen bug, or just increase the damn timer another 30 seconds so we can reque in time. Its EVERY damn game your fighting to restart. IN TA FIX IT.

[broken citrus]

Still in the game ?! Lol

[tribal spoke]

Hopefully the dual blades get a buff to its reach and dps 🙏

[glacial cloud]

Holy crap match making after this weeks patch has been complete dogshit. Every powershift match im getting leavers or people who arent even sure if theirs a trigger button.

[woven hawk]

I have 0 sadness when getting killed by rpg. I can bait and manipulate humans, but not AI aimbot true track turrets.

When you sneak they see you where no human would, when you juke they track you like no human could.

I think they should have been nerfed before dash, can't remember anybody ever complain about the specialization that made me fall in love with this game.

[lavish raft]

EMBARK. PLEASE CHANGE THESE FUCKING SPAWNS SO I CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO STEAL THE BOX

[marsh raptor]

Another thought is to give them reloads.

[daring fossil]

this is a new one WT

[floral shoal]

I had a pure white screen earlier, it went away on game load though.

[somber axle]

• Make C4 have 2 charges again
• Pls buff m60 damage
• Buff MGL 32
• Reduce the recoil for Lewis Gun
• Nerf throwing knives (Give cooldown after throwing them for too long)
• Make a feature to select the Season music selector

[cosmic ether]

I've been getting this so often that I started wondering if it were intended 💀

[vital crystal]

Oscar should cut that pony tail off for destroying a once great game.

[summer yoke]

FIX THE CRASHES ON THE FINAL ROUND IN TOURNAMENT.

[timid dirge]

This game is worse than ever lol

[pure valve]

since the new update the graphics have been terrible for me. I still get good in-game FPS (80-90). It will take about 30 seconds for the fine details to load in and everything no longer looks sharp and clean, more "bubbly." wondering if anyone else is dealing with this. seems to be running pretty bad now

[frosty violet]

^

[daring fossil]

winch claw is still the stupidest shit ever put in this game behind recon sense.

WT is impossible to even qualify with random team mates now. I don't know exactly which change is the worst offender, but it feels terrible to play, I already didn't like 3v3v3v3

[quick coyote]

how do you make a change and it has the exact opposite effect. anyone that read those patch notes could have told you that it would result in more 3rd parties. Its literally ONLY 3rd parties now. Please fix this. Start by firing your game director.

[celest tree]

WT has more third partying now

[sonic salmon]

all in favor of reverting the changes? cuz i really would love the olds ones back..

[nimble anvil]

Please make Voice chat not able to be toggled on/off when typing a text chat to a teammate. As I have mine set to default letter K still...

[junior basalt]

adding to the feedback that third parties occur way more often now

[round sage]

I wonder if devs read the #👂┇game-feedback. or to be exact, the bosses in charge of giving orders to the devs since devs mostly are just following orders

[obsidian timber]

I'm convinced that Activision is secretly running this. Because they are slowly ruining their own game especially with this update.

[untold timber]

Absolutely hate the latest changes to world tour. No penalty for a team wipe meant the game I just played was unwinnable for the last 2 minutes but I was still forced to suffer.

[quick coyote]

Bring back Team Wipes to World Tour. Whoever takes these decisions is very misguided. Now the games feel like a slog with unranked teammates in GOLD 1, knowing you can't win due to the cash changes and having to sit for 2 minutes with this knowledge. World Tour was the only good mode in THE FINALS and now it's also atrocious.

[potent ether]

+1

[feral shell]

Play better in the early part of the game . Imagine an athlete complaining to the ref cause they cant quit because they played like shit and cost themselves the game lmao. Kids are soft nowadays

[quartz shell]

Yes, there is no chance to come back to the next round with the last 2 minutes, just wait and you won't be able to get out because you get a penalty! 😄

[glacial marten]

i come from almost exclusively playing Quick Cash with my homies so the new Cashout changes arent all too special to me. im used to all the chaos, third partying and light-only teams already.
but it's best to me that that playstyle stays in Quick Cash.

maybe the team wipe penalty was too harsh according to some but there needs to be something to motivate my team not to die.

Tokens have lost their meaning for the most part as you can just tell your last remaining teammate to go kamikaze and come back as a full squad later.

The spawn locations are a welcome change. big fan of the almost-immediate action.

[frosty violet]

fps where the best weapons are melee is not enjoyable

[summer yoke]

No loss on team elim in cashout tourney was an L change

[patent wind]

0.1% of ppl that use linux

[nimble surge]

Almost certain all the issues i have with this game come from the strange matchmaking. Going solo is (mostly) easier than 2 stacking, but 3 stacking is also easier?? Melee weapons have been having big hit reg delays too, including winch ( i have good internet). Games feel tighter with the recent changes, winning encounters is arguably more rewarding and losing encounters now feels less hopeless for cash and time. Money distribution at the end is also more balanced, so it's still tense. Idk what people are upset about. Ttk is too short w out a healer in this game for cash penalties.

[upbeat ore]

Have a way to decrease graphics since my Xbox even with low storage and good internet can’t take it anymore

[tulip flume]

450 hours, S1 and S2 diamond. these changes just make me sad. the whole reason this game was such a breath of fresh air was the excitement of all the skill, strategy and luck plays you could use to pull off a last second win. removing one of the major elements that made the finals great in the first place is not the right move. as others are saying, theres generally much less tension and way more third partying. my group was already playing way less this season with the ranked change, but now we'll have even less motivation to play now that world tour is even more frustrating and boring than before.

[sudden spire]

I don't think ive had a single game of Power Shift w/o at least one leaver. PLEASE add stronger leavers penalties

[sonic raft]

Stop forcing us to play certain classes for challenges.

[restive pelican]

Winch claw is stupid yes.

I've been saying for weeks, WT NEEDS sbmm.

I had to stop playing because it only matches me with noobs now.

I'm gold 3, and it puts me with noobs only now.

Quick play gets boring. Nothing to grind for.

I wish season 3 wasn't so long and we could get on to season 4 ranked cash out tournaments again.

This is worse season yet (for ranked/unranked game modes)

[round flare]

I see no problem with winch claw, only reason I started using heavy

[twin hatch]

Bring back some type of cash lost system

[true portal]

no cash loss when wiped is crazy bruh they couldve reduced it to 20% and itd be fine

[patent wind]

it goes thru walls 80% of the time

[warm bluff]

winch claw has a split second before it pulls you (and desync)

[royal maple]

charge and slam still better imo

[vital crystal]

Imagine creating a game solely around a specific game type

Then just slowly taking away everything from that game type that made it unique.

Embark playing 3D candyland

[dark depot]

I'm pretty sure Embark is just actiBlizztard in disguise....only they could make such a fantastic game then fuck it up to this level.....just wait for them announcing a Finals Campaign mode then cancelling it on stream ; that'll confirm it for sure 🤣🤣

[keen heath]

Loading bug is not fixed fully Im still getting it randomly still

[jagged cedar]

its a guaranteed kill on anyone you pull during team fights

[pallid kestrel]

Guys ive been waiting to join a QM for 30 min

[crisp heart]

hi embark, please add a hud safezone to the game 🥺

[severe rampart]

I’ve really only seen negative feedback surrounding the changes to cash out so I want to put my take on here. I don’t really interact in this server at all.

The team wipe penalty removal is a good change. I had a game today where my team cashed out, we just wiped an attacking team while down a player, and the opposing two teams rolled up and wiped us. There is nothing you can do in that situation. Third partying is an inevitability in this game mode, and having these scenarios affect your standing and chances of moving on was not a great part of the cashout experience.

I do think there should be some punishment for wiping, but I don’t think it should be cash related.

lots of tourneys end with 3 or more tokens on each contestent, maybe take a token on team wipe.

[round flare]

Not at all, lights have an easy counter with dash, stun is also a huge counter to claw

[eager flicker]

I would love to have a unicorn horn cosmetic at some point, I would die for that 💀

[bitter aspen]

teamkilling in cashout is fun

[remote drift]

I will say one thing: I've been crapping a lot about ranked TA. But I did want to let the devs know that I appreciated them making changes that fixed my problems from last season. There were really frustrating times when I'd almost win tournaments and then lose rank despite me playing really well for 40 mins straight. Heck, there was even a time I won and still lost one arrow. But now that isn't an issue anymore -- the amount of rank I get in a game does feel much more balanced than it used to. Ty devs, I know your job isn't the easiest, especially in this industry. I'm a mobile dev and customer feedback can be brutal sometimes; I can only imagine what it's like for a video game.

[rancid holly]

im sure thisll get lost in the chat but id like to see the ability to favoriteskins and then equip random favorite skin so its random each game!

[jagged cedar]

light has 3 specs, two of which arent dash. Stun and winch have the same range and is a boring stun mechanic in of itself. Dash doesnt help the light if the heavy has an sa12 or if the heavy has any teammates near them. Both medium and heavy dont have reliable ways of escaping winch either. If you arent playing like a moron it is just a win condition on a 13 second cooldown

[elder folio]

Honestly yeah they need to rework customization, let us make loadouts and outfits, and select them separately from each other. Then you can make player made outfits, and maybe even share your drip in game. Also don't limit the slots for this, it makes no sense for there to be limited slots for customization, it just means people will buy less shit since they have less places to use it yk
EDIT: like an in game sharing tool where people can browse and see fits, and see what's in them so they can copy it or mod it. Also a tool to try out a fit with stuff I don't own so I can see how pieces I don't own go together

[earnest sierra]

THE PUNISHMENT SYSTEM MUST GET A REWORK

cheaters must get hwid ban instantly the moment they get caught or reported and confirmed they're cheating NOT 7 DAYS BAN, once a cheater will forever be a cheater no matter what

the intended afk and trolling punishment should be arranged from 30 mins to 2 days

[umbral dock]

dump TA Ranked and/or reinstate ranked cashout. without proper skill-based matchmaking cashout will continue to be a shadow of what it was in s1/s2

[dreamy siren]

Can you rework syshorizon map, its only map without details and destruction. Hate it totally

[round flare]

Stun if played correctly is an easy counter. I’ve been killed many times to a light with stun. Dash can be a counter if used directly after a claw. I can agree medium has no counter, but heavy has an equal chance of winning unless they have a hammer. If they have an hammer then clawing them actually makes it worse cause you bring them closer to you. It really comes down to load out choices

[sonic spoke]

Heavy smash!

[quick coyote]

Fix m&k players being able to use them on console again

[thorn kelp]

https://youtu.be/qSu9IdGNc3o?si=Elz0NxJ1EcTpiMkZ

This video in my opinion summarizes this community ESPECIALLY this channel even tho he's talking about another game. You know who you people are; shame.

[jagged cedar]

I never denied that stun is a counter, I said that stun itself is boring and needs reworks. Again, dash does nothing if the heavy has an sa12 or has a team with him. Clawing a heavy with a hammer is stupid and very easy to never do, however if you are playing sledge and winch another sledge heavy you will always win the fight unless that heavy also winches you.

[crisp heart]

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[drowsy storm]

nerf 93r too op

[misty swift]

After I saw the latest changes made to the CASHOUT game mode I really really think they should go back to Ranked Cashout it will be sooooo great after the latest changes!!!!!!!!!!

[dreamy badge]

The person above me is wrong. I need to say that the world tour mode is getting hard to enjoy, I think the crux of my criticism is that this game mode is just a worse cashout in every way. There is nothing in world tour that is more interesting, fun, or exciting. I will be getting the base rewards because they look cool and then never touching this crap again. I enjoy terminal attack far more than this.

What makes it a "worse cashout"?

1. No way to swap your build if you are hard countered, not even reserve options (no good competitive game does this, you can always re-spec or swap options in the middle of a game to adapt to your enemies. CS, Overwatch, Rainbow 6, Dota, Apex, Call of Duty)
2. Somehow the game feels even more 3rd party heavy. This could be because of reason 3.
3. Team wipes happen more often because the penalty is gone and people are less afraid to throw, meaning I am stuck doing nothing (especially when I cant swap weapons or gadgets) MORE often.
4. This game is a COMMITMENT and you cant just leave whenever you want, even if you are on a 4th place team that has a total of 1k damage and 20 deaths after 10 minutes, and you just want to be done already.

Casual cashout is currently the best mode in the game and it is all your fault. Terminal attack feels SO much better than world tour currently.

(I agree with the person below me as well on their single point of "team wipes happen more often" 👇 👇 👇 )

[runic robin]

Team wipes absolutely need penalty again, tokens have no meaning as you can just have the last person due with no drawback. Third parties are more frequent than ever as there is no penalty and now you get $500 a kill, if anything third partying is rewarded just for the sole factor of more cash alone.
Spawning so far away is also a pain in the ass! If you get team wiped in the final round then good luck getting back to the cashout in time lmao.
Lastly if you’re going to have a team with 2 or 3 of the same class they should be forced to use different gadgets. Mediums with triple turret is abysmal to deal with. You’re fighting a fucking firing squad with 3 turrets that never miss! If you don’t have any different gadgets to use then tough luck learn to use different classes or learn to play with different gadgets.

[maiden helm]

Thats what I'm saying if you can have three of the same class you should be forced to use each gadget or just force them use light medium and heavy like the games intented

[stray grove]

Exactly, trying to go against that is horrible

[round flare]

I don’t think stun needs a rework. My argument is that it comes down to load out choices. Thats what makes a game balanced, some classes counter others while others counter others. Claw can be countered by some classes while other classes counter stun.

[jagged cedar]

when the only counter is a boring uncounterable stun mechanic you have a problem lol 💀

this also isnt what makes a game balanced, its a way of balancing

[manic steppe]

Pretty crazy being stuck playing against a blatant cheater on a new account in Ranked TA aimbotting through buildings and shields what garbage anticheat are you using.

[thorn kelp]

I think the blinding effect should last a little longer and have the blinding effect for when you flashbang your own teammates to like 75% (kinda like the effect that happens when you stand almost as close to it to where it flashes your screen, but almost not entirely)

[edgy urchin]

day 28 of asking embark to balance the game!!

[main bone]

There should be a “watching” ping option and when selected it says

“I’m watching that spot”
“I’m watching over there”
“Watch that spot”

[formal willow]

nerf throwing knives

[quick coyote]

Changes I’d like to see:

• Nerf XP-54’s range

• Revert M60 to S2 stats

• Buff Medium dual blades lunge distance and ability to close space

• Nerf healbeam so that a player can only have 1 beam healing him at a time.

• slight buff to Lewis recoil

• Buff both MGL and CL40

• Add ability to toggle each seasons music / favorite tracks.

• fix hit registration on spear

[winter vapor]

just left the past two PS matches i loaded into, both were well over 90% completed as a loss, both it was impossible to even make it to plat and take over as half the team was dead on arrival.

Is it actually this difficult to fix this nonsense or is the team this incompetent?

Honestly, it doesnt make any sense.

4 minutes wasted with these garbage auto fills for nothing.

Get it together embark.

[sharp snow]

I was skeptical about the new cash out changes but they are very good!

[dry kiln]

The new changes to cash out and bank it are just terrible.

[violet elbow]

new cashout changes are actually good, just bring back wipe penalty.

[dreamy badge]

make a suggestion, "balance the game" can mean anything. Also the changes suck and I hate them.

[neat lake]

why cant we change loadout in cashout in world tour?

[upper citrus]

The penalty for wiping should be a flat amount that increases every time your team wipes. It should also only be able to take 50% of your total max and should choose the lower amount.

Example:

Your wipe penalty has at $8,000, and you have $10,000. If you wipe, it will only take 5,000 because it caps at 50% of your max.

If your wipe amount is $8,000 and you have $50,000, it will take $8,000 when you wipe because it is below 50%.

50% is a large amount and could be tweaked but I think the base idea would fix the problem with wiping entirely

[shell pond]

After testing the cashout update for good:

increasing the reward for each kill, now it feels rewarding as it should be
giving 30% of vault cash to the team that starts the cashout, this way incentivizes to play the objective
huge NO to removing penalties on team wiping, this way there's no strategy at all and everybody play for kills

[wide venture]

This is a cool idea

[edgy urchin]

the idea is that its vague for a reason because one persons opinion isnt always right so its up to embark to make balancing choices

but one suggestion id make is drop the damage on light weapons and in return give them a healing grenade or something that heals like 50-75 health, similar to the invis nade but healing because im sick of being one tapped by almost any light weapon

day 28 of asking embark to balance the game!

[haughty niche]

revert dash nerf

[iron acorn]

Please make it possible to pick the ACTUAL server for us to go on. for us OCE players it is rough enough that we have to play in asia, but when we get the taiwan or honkong servers it really blows, singapore is actually bearable. PLEASE EMBARK PLEEEASE

[vast pond]

It's an horrible idea, you will loose always a 50% when you have less money than any other team when the match is advanced.

[feral shell]

can we please get an inverted flashbang (black screen instead of white) accessibility setting?

[slate mauve]

Update Career Statistics screen to better highlight the focus of every game mode:

• Remove: Eliminations, Deaths
• Add: Avg. Objective Score, Avg. Support Score
• Keep: Matches, Wins, Revives
• Update: Total Cash Out > Avg. Cash Out, Damage > Avg. Combat Score

[wicked pond]

why do i get unranked people that suck and dont know what teamwork is in WT. atleast give me people with gold when i have gold

[winter vapor]

Whatever change you made with PS balancing please put it back. Im getting garbage players so often and quadrupling their damage, outscoring objective and still losing nonstop. Going to have to start making smurf accounts so my stats can reset , its insane.

Just left a third match, 2 minutes in 4k damage, the other four havent surpassed 300, team wipe.

good job embark.

[azure tree]

Please make it so you can join diffrent teams in custom games. Me and my firends would love to play with eachother but cant fill up the lobbies on our own

[subtle topaz]

I also think that machine guns have become little used, the heavy one is now played only with close-range weapons, either make the weapon’s recoil a little less or add a little damage, the machine gun cannot be used at long distances. About ta, a light class can endlessly use their abilities, while at the same time other classes are limited in their capabilities, I wouldn’t invent them at all, but return the healgun too, and health would be fully restored and gadgets would work with a cooldown, but according to the rules of Ta

[paper python]

I like this idea. I think team wiping a team should have some punishments for that team. I haven’t like the negativity at all. This game has been an amazing fps game for me, and as a longtime Battlefield fan, I instantly got hooked to this game. We got to give it to the devs for being open about their changes AND asking for immediate feedback, because they love their game too! And want to make it the best version that it can be.

[wide venture]

I was referring to the idea of scaling the TW penalty. Like @upper citrus said, 50% would be the max and is just an example, it could be tweaked it to be less severe in the late game. I'm not saying it's what we'll do, but it's interesting to think about.

[violet elbow]

really hope this gets tried out, seems like a genuinely good change in terms of comp, cashout without the risk of teamwipes just isnt competitive, but they also shouldnt solely determine matches

[vast pond]

But it's already escalable when its a percentage isn't it? I like the percentage because the better you are in that match the greater the risk (because preasumably you will have more money in some part of the round). And that, at the end of the match is what did all the strategic movements. I don't see any diferrence when the first wipe is a 10% and the next one is a 20%. I think don't have it is bad for the game, idk if 30% was too much. But I definitely would leave it as a percentage. It was a balancing point that I liked. And also a tension point of the game.

[proven snow]

Hi, does anyone know, or perhaps if CM's can answer, how does gyro acceleration work on The Finals?

Is it binary where if I move below the threshold, it's my base sensitivity, and once I move faster than the threshold, it runs at the multiplied speed?

or does it get faster over time and reaches the full multiplied value when I reach the threshold

I can't find anywhere in the settings that explains this

[radiant ether]

I think that the recent changes to address third-party don't tackle the core issue: player expectations. In a game where more than two teams compete simultaneously, third-party involvement is inevitable. The root of the frustration is originated from the current cashout mechanics allowing for two concurrent cashouts. Players generally expect each team to engage equally, leading to scenarios of 3vs3 + 3vs3. However, when 2 teams decide to try to steal the same cashout, such as 3vs3vs3 + 3vs0, it appears unfair to some, despite being a legitimate strategy within the current mechanics.

I think the solution lies in combining cashout and quick cash mechanics. Specifically, keeping the cash bonus/malus from cashout but reducing the number of teams in cashouts from 4 to 3 and having only 1 active cashout at a time, as in quick cash. This ensures third-party involvement is a given, eliminating complaints about interference. Teams would need to strategize for combat against two other teams, always staying alert and ready to regroup&reset if caught off guard or outnumbered.

Third-part is not something negative. It actually adds variety and depth to the gameplay, distinguishing it from typical one-team vs one-team games. It's just the expectation that need to be fixed

[naive zodiac]

My take on recent cashout changes is they are good. Many complain about no penalty for team wipe, but imagine if you protect last cashout of the game, when there is only one, and 3 teams are trying to steal... there is no way to not be wiped if 9 players are against you.

[worn pine]

Some 3.6.0 feedback:

• Kill reward increase to $500: This change is tolerable, though perhaps too high, especially since players can't lose money anymore. If the team wipe penalty returns (which I hope it does), it might balance out. It could help teams catch up in the last moments of a round if the Cashout is unobtainable.

• 30% of cash rewarded as you plant: I absolutely love this. Previously, my friends and I complained about players not waiting for a Vault to open and instead third-partying other Vaults. This change encourages teams to secure their own Vault, making for more interesting fights as players race to plant. It's a great strategic addition!

• Removed all party wipe penalties: This change is not a good one, in my opinion. This change aimed to reduce third parties, but it has the opposite effect. Previously, if a team had significantly more cash, they were semi-safe since the Cashout only gave a certain amount. A viable strategy was to team-wipe the top team for a fighting chance, prompting the leading team to hide. Now, without penalties, the top team has no reason to avoid fights and can join every battle, increasing the likelihood of third parties, especially with only one Vault planted.

What initially attracted me and my friends to The Finals was that it didn't require being the best FPS shooter. You didn't need top-tier aim to reach the top 500; strategy and team coordination were key. With slightly above-average aim, my trio squad managed to made it to the top 500 simply by using strategy and coordination.

Please don't turn The Finals into just another FPS game. Maintain the strategic elements that give strategists an equal chance to compete with top-tier aimers.

[stuck sentinel]

new cashout changes are actually good, just bring back wipe penalty.

[wide venture]

But it's already escalable when its a percentage isn't it?
It scales but in a different way. This idea is specifically about scaling it based on how many times you TW, instead of based on how much $ you currently have. This means teams aren't overly punished for wiping one time just because it happens near the end of the match, but are still discouraged from being reckless and wiping repeatedly. We may very well keep it as a percentage, though, we will have to see. We have other ideas we're discussing internally, but it all hinges on how this plays out over this rotation and what the data says (in addition to community sentiment).

(going to respond to a couple others while I have time, because this channel is on slowmode)

but they also shouldnt solely determine matches
@violet elbow agree with this. If we reintroduce, we may look into ways to reduce the potential Blue Shell effect.

@worn pine Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it. We will certainly keep the game unique, we're just trying to find the right combination of things to make the mode approachable and competitive.

@radiant ether interesting thoughts, thanks for sharing. I do think expectation plays a role; we are considering other ways to help teams fend off, or even benefit from defending against, multiple foes.

[stray rampart]

Not exactly a feedback, but i really appreciate you looking for people's comments and actively engaging with them. This is a very good thing to do! W dev 🤝

[potent solar]

kudos to you guys for putting up with / engaging with us. really love the game despite complaining about it here and there

[violet elbow]

Love reading this, Love the direct communication and sharing of potential ideas, I really hope yall can find a middle ground that punishes people for wiping late, but also heavily discourages throwing yourself at cashouts early like people have done before due to the oppressiveness of 22k boxes

also @wide venture hope this has been said more clearly by most people, the 30% plug money and 500 kill changes are REALLY FUCKING GOOD for Cashout. The 7s steal is odd but I understand the approach and we can get used to that. the wipe Change exclusively is what has shifted a lot of focus in cashout away from macro play and towards full sending everything. really hoping yall find a healthy approach to penalizing teamwipes without 22k boxes becoming overly oppressive again!

[vast pond]

It makes sense that if you are wiped just one time at the end of the match dosen't have that big punishment. I feel like we all are trying to balance something that it was already working, every move have always a negative point somewhere. The game have the rules, and idk why people think they are not right ´(the original ones) I have benn thir partied, I have been wiped at the end of the match... yeah, so what? get over it, you knew that could happen, play accordingly to this, you will be on the other side at the next game, I wiped the winning team at the last second and we are in thanks to that... etc,etc.

@worn pine I'm with you there, the game is strategy and coordination above standart FPS qualities, and i'm here because of that.

[obtuse locust]

I Love the game u and the Team do a good job and i really appreciate it im having a ton of fun, yeah here and there is stuff that might be "bad"(cant think of another word rn) but overall great game keep going

[wary cypress]

This is an excellent point, though I think the 4 teams dynamic is a bit too endearing to forego at this point.

Sometimes the "one team cashes out scot-free" situation can be accidental though, because contestants are not going to know who's at which cash out and they might jump into a fight between two teams. That can make the game quite boring for the team who's defending against no one and unfair to the other three.

Other times one cashout can be too far along for there to be enough time to steal it and so there's no other choice than to go 3v3v3 on the remaining cashout that has more time.

Side note: I think the quick cash games actually run for longer than cash out games or at least that's how it feels. Something about cash out just feels quicker or maybe it does really run for less time.

I think shifting to a 3 team cash out is too outlandish of a change, maybe Embark could test it out with a limited time event.

As for the update: Most things are fine and good except the team wipe penalty which is a divisive change. $500 kill reward? Magnificent considering contestants splatter into coins when eliminated. 30% cash box insertion reward? Grand, encourages fighting for vaults and boxes.

But the team wipe penalty being removed? Double edged sword, changes the flow of the game a whole lot. Not better, just different. This encourages players to be bolder and more aggressive but also the top team of a game to just disrupt the other 3 and not get punished for being reckless. Before, the top team just sits back once securing the victory. You can spin it either way. Personally, I think the stakes of being the last contestant left standing makes for a better show.

The vault spawn logic is a step in the right direction too but it would be nice for more spawn logic changes like a disadvantaged team (maybe freshly wiped?) getting spawned closer to a major objective.

Also the final round should reward more cash. Yes, first team to 2 cashouts wins but just 20k? This is the crown jewel of the Finals, the last duel should be more intense, not just in terms of cash earned.

GG

[tulip rose]

New cashout rules are horrible. Wiped team must lose 30% of money. And than we can see how it works.

[dreamy badge]

That is a terrible plan and it helps no one.

Just say what you want instead of implying

[merry creek]

Game feels like it's on it's last legs... would love to see what data embark view their end because the decline from season 1 to now feels catastrophic, and guaranteed player count on ranked s2 compared to ranked TA in s3 will underline just how bad the decisions and implementation of season 3 has been

[edgy urchin]

u asked me to give a suggestion and i did 👅
i dont see u giving any suggestions besides "i dont like the updates"
do better kiddo
day 28 of asking embark to balance the finals!

[proven ibex]

@pearl kiln please consider reverting the teamwipe penalty change in WT. Everything's great now except that change and I'm sure it's harming the mode than it's helping. Please consider having a poll or something to get overall feedback.

Thanks, you're awesome 😎.

[sage prism]

The employees at Embark have no idea how to breathe through their noses and it shows

[polar frigate]

Here at Embark we let our Caretakers make all of the decisions.

[rotund sluice]

ALTERNATIVE TO TEAM WIPE PENALTY: instead of losing cash, the team that wipes you gets a percentage of your money. Discourages mindless pushing, rewards teams for fighting well. It would have to be a lower amount, like 10-20%. This replaces the current team wipe bonus.

I would prefer that team wipe comes back with the rest of the changes intact, but if Embark want to try out something different to experiment with various cashout ideas this could work 🤔

Main drawback versus team wipe penalty - if you give cash bonus to the team that kills you, you’re not punished for dying but you boost another team, meaning it’s easy to disrupt second place by feeding cash to the weakest team. Could be unhealthy dynamic.

[keen heath]

I got an idea
Embark should punish players for leaving a game if it exceeds 1:30 of playing in the match give them a 5min wait time for a first time doing it and have it increse to a max of 15min wait after doing it 3 times

[topaz ledge]

feedback to new changes:

the reward to starting a cashout is very good, gives incentive to play objective instead of just 3rd parting other teams, also adds more weight to dual or stacked cashout strategies

cash reward to kills is very good, rewards teams with high kill but low cashout count maybe due to constant 3rd partying from other teams. however, can allow some players to abandon objective based play in favor of kill hunting, which is negative.

no teamwipe penalty is very bad, removes a very tangible soft mechanic of the game, allow reckless plays, non thoughtout coin use and coin strategy. as it is right now, the game mode has no way to lose money, only gain. it is like the finals has inflation now because there are only ways to gain money instead of gain and loss. i have no idea what the effect of the sum of the changes will be, however I know that there will be reckless plays and possibly less teamwork and team based plays
also essentially removes thirsting teamwipes

[unkempt bane]

WHY THERE IS SO MANY BUGS WTF
WHO WROTE THE FK CODE
GAME DON'T HAVE FK FEATURE BUT WHY SO BUGGY
QUIT PROGRAMMING

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@patent girder yo bro do your method to fix the bugs is fine but if they keep making new fk bugs this will never change
this game code structure is maybe sucks and they are keep doing spaghetti code.

just learn how to code and fix and make stronger structure pls dev
i know sometime good structure and good game performance is incompatable but this fk game don't have both

[copper quail]

He did that ages ago lol

[patent girder]

Deagle for heavy is a great idea

Also… FIREWORK GADGET!!!

How cool would that be?

Place on ground and it shoots a firework straight up causing big explosion if there’s a roof above it and obviously fills the room with epic flying colors that set people on fire (minimum damage but big AOE)

It would look epic and be a super fun addition 👌

[honest siren]

Killed it before he left as well, because he made a video complaining how the game wasnt fair due to the outcome of twitch rivals, one of the most rigged competition ive ever seen.

Complained that 3rd parties are bad instead of explaining how the game worked and now thousands of people are complaining because they think its a problem while he was likely just having apex ptsd.

3rd partying isnt an issue in the finals, in a battle royale it sucks because everyone hiding then because you get into one fight everyone starts coming in from unknown locations to finish of your team.

Key word unknown, in the finals there is very limited teams, and a decent player can easily locate where each team is at any time with a small amount of map knowledge and by looking at the scoreboard.

If i had to guess thousands of people believe 3rd partying is a problem in the finals just because of how ottr complained about twitch rivals.

[merry anvil]

I think the biggest flaw of cashout now is the removal of the team wipe penalty. It balances out the wiping mechanic and works best with the coin mechanic.

I've seen a few discussions about percentage scaling, but it already does naturally.

The more money you have the larger sum you lose when wiping.

If the argument is that you want less money lost, then just cut the percentage by half or make the money lost a flat sum. ( for example $10,000)

Also, I'd mention that the other issue with what leads to third party situations is that fights that get dragged on for long periods are more likely to get targeted. Once a team wipes they used to get sent across the map, usually closer to the other cashbox. And of course players naturally go to what is closer.

So you would either have to increase dmg to help the situation or shorten timers across the board so they finish faster.

Also, depending on the situation, some teams just get avoided because they are strong. So you really can't stop third parties completely.

[supple basin]

Please do SOMETHING to knives. Played several games where L's with knives and dash rack up 25/30+ kills. horrible to play against and boring to play with since they end up camping and you have no-one to fight. Really want this game to be fun again it makes me so sad how messy it's gotten since S2

[jagged cedar]

Third partying has always been a problem 💀

The optimal macro play of the game was literally abusing third partying and bad spawns (pre changes at least)

[tall kernel]

Add the desert eagle

[dreamy badge]

I am perfectly happy that you took my advice 👅. And honestly I was quite happy to see that you did as you were told. Was just reiterating that, your original plan of being vague with your feedback sucked. That is all.

Glad to see you followed my directions when I told you to.

[lethal siren]

Embark wanted feedback, so here it is:
After checking out the changes myself, I can say that the game has become much "calmer" and more straightforward. Without the team wipe penalties it's probably not as competitive as before, but in general it's a W in my book. Maybe it would be a good idea to make the penalty at least 10% instead of completely removing it, but you do you. All other economy changes only benefited the overall experience, no complaints about them whatsoever.

On the other hand, increasing stealing time to 7 seconds looks unnecessary to me, no one asked for it and it's not clear why this change was needed in the first place. It doesn't change the grand scheme of things, but still

Oh and also some gadgets still get bugged sometimes. It's pretty much guaranteed that my gateway will get bugged at one point or another during a multi-round WT game. My teammate also had his mines bugged the same way.

[narrow owl]

Revert the stealing timer to 6 seconds.

[wise jolt]

noway yall making me play terminal shleeper for 9 matches

[vagrant bramble]

Yeah revert it pls, like they know we dont want to play that game mode why force us to do so for the contracts ???

[stray rampart]

Yeah they should limit it to something like 9 seconds or something

[obtuse locust]

couldnt agree more

[rough herald]

make this man a dev

@young smelt i don't want a buggy hot fix

[rustic patrol]

Okay Finals, I get that you hate me but seriously, I hit a full magazine on a Low health heavy in World Tour and HE GOT 0 DAMAGE FROM IT. WTF???? Hit registration sucks ass.

[young smelt]

Push out a hotfix you lazy fucks

[gloomy anchor]

Initial feedback to the cashout changes:

I like the changes to deposits, I think it makes the game more aggressive and introduces more tactical choices so its not always just best to hang around and 3rd party someone as there is an urgency to getting that initial guaranteed cash and it being guaranteed is important so worth it.

Increased money for kills is good, adds some variety in effective ways of gaining cash especially in close games which seems more common now

I dislike the removal of the teamwipe penalty though, if it was thought to be to harsh I think a lesser penalty like 10 - 20% would be fine but I think you do need that dynamic of a wipe being something to avoid to add to the risk vs reward factor of the game

Overall changes are good and im enjoying it, though my request going forward would still like to see some rewards for holding the cashout for a long time even if you eventually lose it

[edgy urchin]

hush doggy this channel is for suggestions not arguing

day 28 of asking embark to balance the finals!

[thorny ingot]

After playing the new update for a while.. I must say, i REALLY DONT LIKE THE GAME NOW

[dreamy badge]

Then make another suggestion, do as you are told 🇺🇸

[hasty cliff]

'reckless changes', bro they literally removed cashout as ranked this season to test these with the community 😭

[oblique path]

@crimson python Thanks for responding to my player report, can you please reopen the thread as I have a screenshot of the leaderboard with their usernames

[wise jolt]

cant even find a match of TA Shleeper for my challanges.
edit: after being in queue for half an hour i stopped.
im not gonna do the challange.
TA removes everything that i love about the Finals. and im not gonna participate in the amount of matches played so it seems like its a good mode.
really sad that i have to do 9 whole matches, if it was 9 rounds it'd be kinda okay. but 9 games is way too much

[feral bloom]

We could do it this way for Ranked gameplay
Silver vs silver only when you about to reach gold you have silver and gold and then if you win you get promoted

Same with every rank

[rustic patrol]

I completely agree on that, Lights are infesting each gamemode and It's getting on my nerves.

[barren gale]

Yeah plus when there's three lights are sniping you from miles away

[hasty dew]

wow, great job. I have come to the finals, just one more minutes so we can win. Then the game crashout :)))) ???????????????????????????????? of course i lose haha

[iron acorn]

yet again, if you get winched while using sword you cant do anything but swing and use gadgets

[rough herald]

if you get hook you are dead bro. no counter play other then** dOn'T PeEk bRo** which i just don't want to count as counterplay

[feral bloom]

@violet elbow @glass sequoia @quiet tide @atomic sigil What do we think of this not as an alternate but as an Additional mode

[violet elbow]

I like 12 man cashout personally

[still portal]

Removing team wipe penalty was a 0iq bozo move.

[tropic coral]

Can we please have at least some cash loss on a team wipe, maybe just 10 procent but at least something

[rose basin]

pls add gandalf with jordans and bmo

[wise jolt]

i cant even find a TA Shleeper match in ranked. is literally noone playing this mode?

[teal minnow]

Make mines glow with thermal vision

[dim whale]

Hello, is it possible to remove the country of Iran from the sanctions list so that we Iranians can also play? 2 million Iranians would like to experience the final game, please make it for us Iranians. Thank you. All Farsi speakers love the final game and please add Farsi language to the game🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷

[clever hawk]

1. Infinite loading screen remains unfixed

2. 93R will forever struggle to be viable on Light because it’s actually a balanced weapon with considerable downsides on a class that dies instantly and thus needs to kill instantly, meaning excessively overtuned weapons are necessary for its viability.

Its burst nature is antithetical to the close-range playstyle and fast/dynamic movement typical of Lights. Burst fire necessitates consistent precision and misses are punished harshly. Burst weapons typically require ADS which is often a death sentence when up close with Light due to reduced strafe speed.

Therefore this weapon requires persistent skill, unlike the easy and forgiving (typically automatic) weapons that dominate the meta (on all classes).

There is also zero niche for it. M11 has close range spray, XP has close/mid range everything, throwing knives have (ridiculous) close range burst.

Give the 93R to the Medium instead, it can serve as another close range option similar to the 1887 without being massively overtuned like typical Light weapons. Again, as with the 1887, it has actual downsides and thus requires skill, so it would fit the Medium class which has enough health to survive its pitfalls.

I would also like to see further QOL buffs such as a reduction of visual recoil so as to aid mid-range combat and +3/6 to the mag.

[scenic yacht]

Pls fix the matchmaking. This game is unplayable without friend: everytime i play a match with randoms, i get paired with people who downloaded the game 5 minutes before. It’s not funny for them and it’s not funny for a player who plays the game since a lot of time

[hushed quiver]

REVERT THE DASH NERF, WTF?!

Look, the invis nerf was ok, which was admittedly too easy to use - although should be slightly, teeny bit buffed in terms of CD use.
Now I actually STARTED to use dash instead (try out) and fell in love with it actually !
AND NOW you nerf it?! Because we felt FORCED to adapt to a new ability?!
Light is already the Yassuo/Genji/Tracer of this game where we need to use every bit of our kits and flanks to compete with the other classes which have it way simpler.
So, please, rethink this change.

[peak wagon]

I personally love the changes that were made, Way less third partying and it feels great overall, maybe I would add a very small penalty to a wipe like maybe 10% but that’s just me. People are always going to find someone to complain about either way so figured I would mention how I’m enjoying the update.💚

[desert parrot]

Just came home from a holiday and played World Tour without the wipes. Absolutely awful change.

[keen shard]

Just one thing, bring back the tracking dart to medium, it's the only class with no recon utility

[feral bloom]

Yeh that will be there this mode isn’t replacing it

[smoky gust]

I think that, besides feeling bad to face and being overly punishing, one of the worst aspects of winch is how it reduces the skill floor

Sledge is incredibly powerful and needs its range downside to keep it balanced
You need to get in close first, and even if you get to someone, there is a decent chance they outrun you afterwards
Even flamethrower, which is viewed as low-skill by many, still needs to decent positioning or ambushing skills to be decently effective
If you just run at people, you die

Unless you use winch

Cant be bothered to actually position yourself?
Just winch them towards you
You meet an enemy and they now want to take advantage of your limited range to get an advantage?
Just pull them back to you

It drastically lower the skill barrier to be effective with these weapons

Sometimes if you die by sledge, you can kind of think "well he is already at a massive downside, he caught me off guard, he deserved that"

But not with winch, because most just run in and win

[rough herald]

100% agree, also i like that the second half sound like a commercial 90s advertisement xD

[strange heart]

can you please remove TA from the circuit contracts? It has an awfully long queue time and is just hands done the worst mode you came up with

[echo dust]

please add mustaches

[ornate silo]

Devs, I know that you can make unique skins like photo sniper rifle, guns with receipt, charm with working buttons and etc, thats why I want a vintage vengeance shotgun upgrade. Make the brake light light up when the shotgun is being reloaded, because right now its unplayable 😄

[clever hawk]

Winch Claw feels amazing to use but can feel terrible to play against because it can so easily become an inevitable and inescapable death, especially for L/M classes.

WC should not be a free effective oneshot, like old Roadhog. It should be a displacement tool - for players and objects - that aids CQB but doesn’t grant it excessive power.

The best way to nerf its effectiveness against players without harming its object utility would be to prevent it from pulling players any closer than, say, 8-10m. This would give winched players the space and opportunity to more effectively fight back or flee without instantly suffering extreme damage.

It would remove the often inescapable melee/flamer death, reduce the effectiveness of the easy and extreme SA12 bursting, and make it much harder to land the final blow with the KS23. All of which are the most oppressive and frustrating elements for opposing players.

The commonly suggested nerf of reducing its maximum range would not address these oppressive aspects and would hurt its utility when it comes to objects such as cashouts, revive totems, etc.

The other common suggestion of a cast animation would also not address the oneshots and would punish the user excessively given it already takes ~1s to use, resulting in majorly negative value upon a miss. It would also change the fairly even Dash matchup into a hard counter.

This change would also allow Mesh Shield to be of some use to the winched player given some distance would be maintained between the two players, as opposed to the current iteration which is simply a hard counter.

[autumn sedge]

Revert the m11 nerf

[rough herald]

remove sniper entirely, it never fun to fight and the only 2 counter play is just bad while the 3rd is just don't peek. even if they didn't hit a single shot at all the sniper existent alone make people change their playstyle (no skill free value)

**counter play 1: ** you shoot the sniper (you die)
**counter play 2: ** forsaken your random teammate to fight 2v3 while you try to kill the sniper, and when you finally get there
your team is dead and are berating you for going on your own and guess what? the sniper grapple away and it all started
again

[red echo]

real , same with stun gun , completely counters the purpose of the game

[honest siren]

Yessir, thats why i don't play power shift anymore.

The counter is you are forced to run grapple m11 and chase that guy around until he leaves

[narrow belfry]

Agree sniper needs removal from terminal attack and possibly reworked even me who is pretty good at this game struggle dealing with the sniper due to the infinite range and how huge the map is it’s absolutely impossible to counter it unless you have a heavy with dome and even than that only last a few seconds

[smoky gust]

it would be awesome to have a place for people to post, spread and discuss strategies they found/invented

some stuff like window climbing comes along naturally after some time
but frag surfing or the goo plane for example, not so much

they can be very niche but these possibilities are part of what makes the finals so awesome
it would help help new players catch onto some advanced tech and help those that want to expand their horizons with new and interesting playstyles
some tags like "offence", "defense", "movement" or "trap" could help filter out some strategies, depending on what the player in question is looking for

if it isn't too much work, adding something like this would be amazing and help players have more fun

TL;DR: please make a community version of eggcademy for us to expand

[hollow breach]

Implement a weekly rotation of (old) game modes, offering a different mode to play each week. This approach prevents long queues and avoids splitting the player base, issues that permanent game modes typically cause. Modes like Team Death Match and Guns Roulette, which don't work well as permanent fixtures due to declining popularity and long queue times, can be included. This change will also allow for more variety in challenges and other in-game activities.

[upper citrus]

Woah dev mention :))

I personally think it would work because it ensures that if you’re doing amazing all game, getting kills and never wiping, that you aren’t prone to losing at the end by being wiped once. And the percentage cap keeps the system from being overly punishing to players performing poorly and still gives them room to make a comeback if they pop off at the end.

Good luck with the cashout changes though they’re super interesting to follow and think about

[haughty niche]

revert dash nerf. it wasn't needed at all . dash was completely fine

[drifting thistle]

until now heavy dash still can deal up to 380 damage. Well fk it. last feedback, since this game aint going to be a good game

[misty swift]

IN MY EVERY RANKED MATCH ONE HACKER DUDE SURELY COMES AND SCORES 20 KILLS WITH THE VS PISTOL, MOST OF MY TEAM MATES LEAVE AND MY RANKED POINTS ARE DEDUCTED!!!!!!!!

[mild mango]

fix the big where you cant use your left mouse click attack

[uneven prism]

petition to bring back solo bank it!!!

[copper blade]

South America server is dead

[lavish shard]

increase bank it duration loading screen more longer than gameplay
40k -> 60k

[silent fog]

Please, Please give me the option to turn off this obnoxious crowd. Please

[tepid hazel]

Quick Melee challenges are bugged. Got the quick melee damage done in a few minutes of first match by shooting people. Same match I completed quick melee challenge with a frag grenade

[peak rune]

The devs are fucking stupid. They really said "yeah we allow ruby players to stack with bronzes", and then fuck every single legitimate players by making people lose 1500 RS if they fight against 1 ruby 4 bronzes

They also think level 6, UNRANKED, being in ruby matches is completely normal, and not ban worthy. Every 10 ranked matches, i meet at least 8 of them unranked and cheating, and I lose 1500 RS every match.

[balmy hare]

add a deagle for heavy as a longer range alternative with a higher than average headshot multiplier

[mild mango]

1 tip is heavy with flame thrower and goo gun to trap enemy and burn them to dead or goo the chashout and burn it the last 12sec(wich is the new burning time for goo) to prevent ppl stealing it

[smoky gust]

yeah
something i like to do is covering the cashout (and the whole room) in goo and having a secret pyro mine with c4 placed somewhere in there
if i now detonate the c4, the whole room will be set on fire
potentially making enemies panic or even killing them outright

but stuff like this would be lost in general chat or the weapons-gadget chat
so being able to make dedicated and detailed posts like in bug reports that are easy to search up and keep the discussion on topic for each idea would be great

[gritty trout]

Would it be possible to add the ability to duplicate a loadout? I know it's slightly trivial, but I would like to setup two different loadouts for Terminal Attack and World Tour. Having to go individually change the loadout, style, and emotes when first creating a loadout from default is kind of inconvenient. Not a huge deal, but would be a nice quality of life change especially for people who are recently starting the game.

[quick coyote]

Peak player count is increasing on steam which means this fuckin change aint about to get reverted. Awesome.
This is sarcastic btw this new Cashout is donkey ass

[copper quail]

I think they'll bring back the teamwipe penalty because it doesn't make sense to not punish teams for dying

[iron berry]

YEAAH NOT DYING TODAYY WWWWWWWW

[vapid summit]

I haven't played for almost 1.5 months after being disappointed with ranked and was thinking of leaving this game forever, but the news that Cashout will be returned to ranked mode in Season 4 made me come back to this game. And after I played The Finals again for 2 days in a row, I realized that I will definitely say goodbye to this game. The reasons for my leaving this RAW product are the following:

1 - Very bad servers. Maybe for someone they will seem good, but this is only because you live closer to the west, and I live in Russia, so for me such problems as poor hit registration, deaths behind the wall, teleportation up and down when I climb a ledge are considered quite normal
2 - Indifferent attitude towards players who play M and H classes. I noticed that the developers are never going to buff the Medium and Heavy classes, but they will lick the Light class from all sides so that the little kids who came to this game could kill half the server without any problems, while playing Brawl Stars. If in the second season, playing for the Heavy class with M60 I can kill L, M, H or H, H, M with 1 clip, now I can't even kill M with one clip. The same with AKM. + besides, the first problem hasn't gone away.
3 - Removing Cashout from the ranked mode and shoving TA in its place and continuing to talk nonsense about Cashout being considered the main direction for The Finals, I think is the height of idiocy. If you go down this path, then your target audience will be no more than 12 years old. So you definitely won't make enough money to cover at least a couple of seasons. Bring back everything this game was famous for during the CBT and then your audience will be 20-25+ years old. And that means people will throw money at your game just to buy a new skin or a battle pass. I am living proof of that. I am 25 years old and I spend money on this game because I like it. But the path the developers have chosen will lead this innovative project to the grave.

[silent fog]

Feedback: get your fucking anti cheat together. There's no point in playing ranked rn because I win 3 matches just to lose more rs in one match against a cheater

[vale acorn]

It's refreshing to see less lights overall, and this is coming from a swordie

[terse oxide]

Cosmetic Feedback/Question: On the Gunsmoke Bandana facewear, you can see both sunglasses and a bandana. However, the Bad New Bandana and the No-Tell Specs, both also facewear, cannot be worn together.

Can we get separate eyewear and facewear slots since the logic for them seems to already exist?

[daring fossil]

this is what ive been saying, heavy has always been the more attractive option for noobs and low skill players to begin with, but adding winch just gave all those terrible sledge players who have no game sense, map knowledge or good positioning an easy button.

[fallow idol]

Rotate spawns for game modes so people cant camp

[sharp belfry]

That makes sense if you aren't taking into consideration how forgiving the Sledgehammer is. I think it would feel a lot better to adjust the Sledgehammer so it is more high risk high reward and less faceroll keyboard easy and leave the winch as is because with pretty much any other weapon the winch is a better utility option than it is a free kill option.

[thick sorrel]

Or
Teamwipe penalty should scale with your cash like this:

10K $ = 10%
20K $ = 20%
30K $ = 30%
(easier to unterstand)

[earnest pilot]

We need Input based Matchmaking

[worn ravine]

PLEASE ADD MORE LOADOUT SLOTS WE NEED MORE SPACE TO CREATE 🗣️🗣️🙏🙏

[quick coyote]

Nerf Winch Claw. Currently, as a Medium, a Winch Claw is equivalent to an INSTANT KILL with NO COUNTERPLAY. This is unfair and uncompetitive.

[grim pilot]

unbalanced weapons the bow and the sword.

[tribal shard]

Ok so here are the changes i'd do:

• Nerf AK-M's damage so it doesn't nullify any sense of health in the game
• Nerf the rifle of the light too
• Lower the recharge cooldown for dash
• Bugfix the throwing knives so they don't randomly go through the enemy and make sure that both knives do damage as expected.
• Nerf the bow's ability to one-shot when not fully charged
• Rework the winch claw so it doesn't result in a one-shot kill without the victim being able to defend himself.
• Fix the sledgehammer a bit so it doesn't one-shot people miles away while the animation hasn't hit yet.
• Fix the gas, fire and mine hitboxes. RIght now you can die to a fire shot very far from you, or a mine that hasn't even being thrown to the ground yet.
• Bugfix the stupid HUD, more often than not, waypoints will disappear without reasons and worse, sometimes the HUD will blatantly lie to you and don't tell you if your point is actually captured or not.
• Fix the respawn system so it doesn't transform the game into a boring walking simulator due to idiotically spawning you at the opposite of the map.

[autumn bison]

how is the bow unbalanced?

[sonic raft]

All of the people who wipe frequently will say “the PuNiShmEnT is ThE WiPe TimEoUt 🥴". But no, a penalty in cash is needed to keep teams away from cashouts they don't need. It introduces an element of strategy and risk/benefit analysis. Bring it back, please.

[paper stream]

Was AK silent-nerfed? It does no dmg at the moment.

[burnt sedge]

If you get winched while reloading you can’t shoot

[clever hawk]

I appreciate the intention but disagree with its effectiveness. This channel being the sole medium for feedback is highly unsatisfactory and unproductive imo.

Most posts in here aren’t particularly detailed or constructive and this channel is frequently used for angry venting or memes; the post above yours is literally just “fart”. Also people still constantly argue/discuss.

Anyone tasked with sifting through here (if anyone is) will have to waste so much time looking at unhelpful rubbish and when they do find actually constructive feedback it will be unfocused and separate from other feedback on the same issue.

For some reason Embark has no official presence on the Reddit, a site far better suited to discussions and thus feedback, despite a few of their employees being seen in the comments occasionally. This disincentivises its use as people believe Embark won’t see anything posted there.

There are also no Embark forums to my knowledge and Steam Discussions is similarly seemingly devoid of official presence.

Idk if it’s your role to collect feedback but my #1 piece would be to greatly improve the means to provide it. Thanks.

[ancient ocean]

I feel like the 30% cash for deposit incentives to stack more. I have played a couple games now and can’t count the number of times on my hand where I was like.. bro I’ll just double stack this and win because I’m in first and I can’t lose money. This just makes me wanna 3rd party and now 4th party more.

Honestly giving 30% to the team who has the cashout currently might work. This would almost completely remove stacking unless it’s an absolute must!

This is far fetched but you can also revert the overtime back to 60 secs if someone deposits the cash in overtime. This would mean you can fight those teams who gaurd vaults at the end and still make it to cashout with time to steal. Would make the team holding cashout disadvantaged but I think it’s warranted since it’s overtime (but also they would get that 30% cash bonus I mentioned earlier!) They would have to just try to prevent the deposit. Goo would be good for this

[rough herald]

some time i can't shoot my gun, usually after my chatacter get stun/interrupt like getting hooked

[mighty cedar]

ah yes give medium yet another nerf, brilliant. its not like lights are dominating every gamemode or anything.

[fiery umbra]

HELLO EMBARK STUDIOS TEAM. Recently, i have had a problem with text chat that i cannot press the text chat that causes me to be unable communicate with my teammates. Second, this game has problems with optimization and network. I had to use the lowest graphics setting because i got kicked from cashout tournament when i play.Compared to previous season like 1 and 2, recent update in season 3 causing this game network problem and bad performance.Please consider optimized this game graphic. Third, please bring back the team wipes penalty. Ever since new rules added, third party team more involving and make this game less utilized strategy in cashout match. Fourth, consider adding a little bit of damage to the lewis gun. This game is no longer fun as it intended to be back during beta test and season 1. EMBARK TEAM,PLEASE LISTEN TO OUR FAN BASE CONCERN AND FEEDBACK ABOUT THIS GAME.WE LOVE THIS GAME.🙏

[delicate mirage]

in my opinion, THE FINALS requirments are too high, like the badges move too slowly even tho iam winning, i dont have all the time in the world to play just this game

[vital crystal]

another day of no wipeout bonus = another day of a Aldi’s version of COD.

[nimble anvil]

Please add either the ability to reply to party invites with a status message (Busy/Cannot Play, etc) or the ability to edit a status message for yourself in menu where your friends can see it

Shouldnt have to join a party to let them know you cant join the party right now

[onyx tiger]

buff dual swords

[smoky gust]

its not just sledge though, spear, flamethrower, sa1216 and the ks-23 all get incredible use out of it by either getting people into effective range or lining up shots
even if it was used for utility more than kills, a nerf to its combat oppressiveness doesn't need to change/worsen its utility

im pretty sure none of us want to nerf its utility, just its usage in combat
there are absolutely ways to make winch less frustrating without ruining what makes it so unique and fun

[copper talon]

The community event has ended. Why haven't I received the dual-blade skin?

[drifting thistle]

wow the one cheater that i reported still in the game for more than one season

[dense marlin]

Can yall please remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider for controller settings as an option like in apex alc (there it’s called outer threshold) ???

[quaint scroll]

Dear devs i love getting in a game with same guy using a aimbot 3 games in row i also love losing 3k rs from these games on top 15k I've already lost to cheaters the anticheat is great keep up the good work

[woeful arch]

Second VOLPE Championship today with bot players, who don't react to being gunned down, just walk a few meters and shoot a wall. Time to stop queuing, I guess I'll avoid low traffic hours, this is unplayable and a waste of time.

[stark nova]

yall going to make any steam profile items? let me view a steam account from the scoreboard, especially if I need to report an account to valve]

[stuck forum]

Gamertag is F1nk_ployd#2763 if you (or anyone else) wants a semi-competent communicator teammate 🤷🏻‍♀️

[dense niche]

We used to have a lower cooldown in feedback channels and we've cycled through a few different models. Indeed some of the feedback even if it looks usable, sometimes is not, but feedback is filtered and overall appreciated, even the rambling/negative ones and it doesn't look as disconnect as you'd think in a spreadsheet per example. Different opinions are bound to generate heat, however we appreciate a good discussion and both sides of the coin as feedback.

Reddit is not moderated or run by us, despite sometimes us being there for discussion. The feedback and posts there also of course matter and are taken into consideration, especially when they bleed onto Discord and Steam

Lastly for Steam, it's a stealthier approach, mainly with the threads discussing the same topics there's not much room for much however the real feedback there is collected daily and processed, including moderating and removing the most toxic people.

[grizzled hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/yap-gif-13220883897444744573

[rapid stream]

Revert the dash nerf it was completely fine before (Also nerf RPG)

[paper stream]

How it is possible that lights smgs have better range and accuracy than medium's ars?

[polar ermine]

when are you going to understand how dogsht your balance is, giving away skins for totally un-usable swords is a fkin joke, you've got to be so disconnected from the results in almost unbelievable

[rough herald]

embark just want to piss off light lmao, people hate that their fav ability got nerf even though the nerf to next to nothing

[knotty gazelle]

Love getting off a 10 hour shift to play 1 game to get back into ruby and just playing a fucking cheater to lose 1800 elo. @thefinals you mf needa give elo back if people get banned and you lose to them I guarantee that I get on and get a ban confirmation. Lose 4-5 games of progress, can I at least get my elo back when he gets banned like cmon shit is insane.

[mighty cedar]

How about you actually take feedback into account for once then :)

Balancing is so terrible that even the sweatiest of players stop playing.

[rotund sluice]

#👂┇game-feedback message

Going off of my earlier post, I think if Embark want to remove cash wipe penalties, then respawn coins per match should not grow as you play tournament/world tour and instead be capped at 2. With no cash wipe penalty, it makes more sense to team wipe so you can all respawn faster. At final round of World Tour it’s incredibly rare for a team mate to not have 4 coins, making dominant play not matter and teams always rush. Making respawn coins have a cap at 2 still make team wipes feel punishing in terms of strategy without changing cash balance.

Of course, if you spend all your coins and go down to zero, it still grows by 1 the next match. It wouldn’t reset to 2 every match

@onyx ledge I agree but I’m just theory crafting if they decide to keep the changes

[onyx ledge]

nah just bring back wipe penalties

[tribal shard]

It's not about nerfing the medium, but about balancing the game, some weapons just do way too much damage for the amount of health any class has in the game.
I'd be in favor of buffing say the R357, the double swords or the shield.
And in the same vein, for the light, i'd be fine with a nerf to the XP-54, the bow or M11.

Btw yeah this timer is a joke lol, have you considered using a forum channel instead?
RIght now it doesn't let people discuss anything without having to bypass it through edits, and even then Discord has a char limit which will kill the discussion at some point.

About the dash nerf, yeah it should be reverted since dash had no issues in the past, it doesn't achieve anything other than making the dash absent in some scenarios where you would have needed it. It didn't cause any balancing issues with how it worked. You should indeed focus on making actually meaningful changes to promote more skill-based weapons and reducing the amount of unbalanced weapons instead.

[dense marlin]

Can yall please remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller settings ???

[barren path]

Game mode idea:

Objective: reach $50,000

• 3 teams (of 5)
• 1 kill earns $1,000
• 15 min per round
• No respawn time

Mode features:

$5,000 bounties appear one by one (like cashboxes) during the game.
Players have the choice to take them or not.
If a player takes it, he must survive 1 min with this bounty, and his position is revealed.
However, if a player from an opposing team kills him, he gets this bounty instantly and the 1 min timer continues.

[rough herald]

so basically Quick Cash EXTREME
(im in)

[proud kraken]

Finals wishlist🗿:

• Uncapped Career Levels (don't need any cosmetics since the 60 are enough imo) [Also maybe show in match leaderboard?]
• Show Assists in the player stats section
• Match History
• Ability to add 3 stickers per weapon
• Meme reload animations (throwing away the gun to reload)
• Possibly an honour system
• Save outfit configurations
• Inverted flashbang (black/grey instead of white)
• S2 movement (clambering and sliding just feel really slow now compared to before, really enjoyed S2 movement)

[nimble anvil]

are devs even looking at in game player reports anymore? cant remember the last time i logged in with a message about recent report resulting in action against someone

really frustrating playing w cheaters

[celest tree]

Gib more contestant slots

[tribal shard]

The facts that

• The game has seemingly no proper server-side anticheat instead of client-side snake oil
• The anticheat still has issues working at all
• The game is free-to-play
  don't reassure me with that idea :/

Hackers literally killed the game hahahhaa
Not really. Just avoid competitive for now, the matchmaking sucks anyways.

Like cheaters are nothing new, pretty much every F2P competitive game which rely on client-side snake oil has that issue. Fortnite, Valorant, The Finals...
My solution is simple, ditch EAC, stop trusting the client too much and only send data which can be used by legitimate players, to solve wallhacks. Just have a proper server-side anticheat.
Aimbots are more tricky but can be dealt with some behavioral analysis.

[tepid hazel]

Cashout will be ranked next season again.
You can’t kill a medium with the AKM using 1 magazine?

[graceful snow]

The remove of team wipes makes me third party every cashout because i have nothing to lose, that is bad. Also we shouldnt have Kyoto and SYS in the same rotation, they play in a very similar way

[iron bough]

I was ignoring world tour, because it is trash; and enjoying the game, but now you create an event around it and I just can't with this s**t man... I can't even move, and I'm dead: Cheaters, Sweats, Pack of 3 people vs randoms, afks due to glitches (it happened to me twice), long queues +5mins; because guess what NO ONE likes World Tour!!! onlysweats and Twitch streamers with humanized 2k dollars aimbots. Uninstalled, waiting for Season 4.

[sharp belfry]

Good perspective, I think decreasing the distance that it pulls people could be a good change. That way a kill is less guaranteed, particularly for melee weapons. And it doesn't really affect the utility at all.

[misty swift]

Hackers literally killed the game hahahhaa

[stray thunder]

Day 5711 of asking for a matchmaking system in both World Tour and casual. This game is no fun playing as a solog when you get teamed up with players widely out of your skill level.

[magic nymph]

Devs, can you please fix The Error where it says "needs secure boot on compatible hardware" Tanks

[south plover]

I am only posting my stats to give an idea of my dedication to this game and to further illustrate my point. I have 811 Hours Playtime under Statistics tab (1510 in Steam hours although I know that doesnt count like actual Playtime). 5155 matches played. I love this game, but I am just at a point I need, not want, to move on. The cheaters have ruined it for me for good at this point.

[quick coyote]

in cashout i think a reduced amount rewarded from steals might be good
like not the full amount that was in the cashbox

[velvet olive]

yes

[quick coyote]

You can't have a perma death limited regen mode in a high ttk game but still have weapons that one shot. please stop it.

[scarlet goblet]

I had 3 more crash obs on the start of my stream

[clever hawk]

Collecting feedback on a specific issue from this channel and accumulating it into a spreadsheet will provide some use however there is still the major flaw of it remaining disconnected for those actually providing the feedback.

Meaning two people might provide feedback on the same issue however they are very unlikely to build upon and respond to one another’s opinions, because a general Discord channel is essentially an unfocused free for all on any topic whatsoever, as well as a heap of angry venting, and so the two posts are likely to be hours apart and neither person will have any idea that the other ever even posted their feedback.

This stunts natural evolution of discussion, denying the development of any kind of consensus or focused critique.

This is in contrast to traditional forum discussions in which you can follow chronological discussion on a specific issue, and where each consecutive poster is likely to be aware of and thus informed by the preceding opinions, allowing a mounting consensus to form over time.

There also remain the problems of whoever’s job it is to look in here having to waste great amounts of time sifting through rubbish, collecting feedback on the same issue manually rather than it being naturally posted together as in a traditional forum topic, and it being highly unlikely that every single post in here is actually seen (and a massive waste of time if they are).

I doubt you’ll be creating your own forums any time soon however Reddit is the next best avenue and is readily available. I appreciate that you do not wish to run it yourselves however most Reddits are fan-run and still have official developer presence.

Official presence is critical for encouraging and cultivating community interaction/discussion, as it instills the belief that you are actually reading and listening to what is being posted, making it worthwhile for people to spend time posting there.

[Word limit, continued in image]

[ripe seal]

Turn on backfill for world tour. If we need teammates in quick cash we need them here

[dense niche]

We are looking for ways to improve the feedback section almost every week to be honest, I hope we will revamp it in the near-future as well and I do like your points, I mean, this is why this channel exists, even if it was feedback for the feedback channel (inception?). I'll pass the ideas ahead friend and thank you for your time for writing all this I'm also a fan of reddit and company's interactions in there, hopefully we can integrate a bit better in the near-future

[eternal wigeon]

I don't understand why the wipe penalty has been removed, instead of reducing third-partying, it increased by a whole bunch by removing the risk. The new spawns are a good change tho.

[vale acorn]

What if there was an event called firewall where a quickly damaging pair ofs wall on two sides of the map slowly creep out, forcing everyone to one corner in the map

But just for a minute or two.

[jolly oracle]

hello guys, i have the issue with entering the game
it writes in steam ,,Running the installation script''
i cant solve the problem

[arctic mist]

Team wipes dont matter, legit ruined the gameplay entirely, doubling up increased, third partying encouraged, the game was PERFECT or damn near close to it, then yall had to remove the good ranked mode for a shit one and now ruined the tournament gamemode, congrats devs

[patent wind]

Ask support they may be able to help you better than a bunch of discord users.

Go to #📧┇contact-us

[rough herald]

**LAG™️ **

[pseudo latch]

Day 126 of me begging the devs to give heavy an M134 Minigun as a Specialization.

• 200 Round magazine, ammo is restored four bullets every second, 50 seconds for a full reload.
• 20 rounds per second, eleven damage a round, 220 DPS. No headshot modifier to keep DPS from becoming insane.
• Falloff begins at 30 meters down to six damage a shot at 50, but wide spread means the weapon becomes less effective past 10 meters even against larger targets, you’re probably not getting higher than 150 DPS even as far as 10 meters.
• bullets do high damage to structures (should be breaking walls in 20-50 shots) allowing a mid-range option to output mass destruction (destroying entire walls on higher floors of buildings, ripping apart nesting sightlines)
• • significant damage to structures and players
• • gun can be pre-spooled with RMB over having an ADS (for obvious reasons, you try to aim down the sights of a water cooler)|
• • high suppressive force through sheer amount of bullets being fired
• • its a goddamn minigun
• - Heavy cannot jump or sprint while holding it, has to switch back to primary
• - lengthy equip-unequip time to balance such, no “pocket minigun” strats, choosing to use this mid-combat is a commitment, one that could get you killed.
• - gun has to spool up for a second before firing, spool up being LOUD

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[elder folio]

Please please please I don't care if it causes clipping or something weird just make the changes on a skin to skin basis and not based on whether the skin has a model change or not. Like the fine print skins should be able to (I had the exact same issue) but the ray gun prolly should be locked to its anims. More extreme skins should be locked if they obviously can't equip the anims, but fine print easily can so I don't see why it cant

[sharp belfry]

93R feels good now, not too strong, not too weak

[grizzled hornet]

Cool idea but you’re a green role

[sonic spoke]

Get a video and report in #video-player-reports

[quick coyote]

There shouldn't be 1 shots in a game with an otherwise high ttk

[ripe seal]

There should be against highly mobile difficult to hit targets

[magic wing]

I'm actually quite enjoying the changes so far. It does feel like there's some work to do, perhaps money gained from kills can't be lost, but money from cashouts can or something like that.

Overall I feel like getting consistently teamwiped doesn't kill my chances of winning or qualifying later in the round, so long as my team is still getting some kills. Games are more consistently closer, and the final cashouts are a lot tenser than they used to be.

I absolutely love that cashouts now give a percentage upon depositing, this is a great change and should 100 percent stay. In overtime I will intentionally double just to get that extra cash and get to a qualifying position.

[iron bough]

Forcing people to play Tournaments seems like a priority for you, I DON'T WANT TO, let me play whatever the F I WANT and progress to acquire event items. It is so simple yet so difficult for you to understand that MOST of your community HATES competitive modes due to TTV+cheaters+Sweats going up against solo players. ANTI-FUN = World Tour, I skipped World Tour, didn't engage, don't want to, but if I want the Olympics skins I HAVE TO, BRUH, all the love I had for your game is dead like your numbers.

[limpid copper]

for my homies in the back using the spear and want it to be more effective

can we please have an option to throw it and have it regen in our hands? Same for the hammer.
I understand they are melee weapons, but having some kind of "ranged" attack would give some hope for heavies who teammates don't cover them when protecting objectives or don't have the winch claw equipped

plus...it's a spear. why can't I throw a spear instead of doing the truffle shuffle with it and getting turned to mince meat by a team.

[vital crystal]

If I owned a pizza shop and one day changed the pizza … and 90%+ of my customers hated it and told me to change it back….

I wouldn’t wait a week or two for all my loyal customers to leave before I change it back. I would change it immediately.

Zero logic with embark. brain dead.

[patent girder]

It takes 6 rounds to get all the event rewards… literally only one hour.

World tour isn’t even competitive. You lose nothing when you lose a game.

[quick coyote]

Challenges should be skill challenges, not time sinks. Forcing players to play a class, or a mode that they don't want to play, is good for literally nobody. I didn't want the light on my team yesterday who "hates playing lights" and went 2-14 because.. challenges. And this is what I mean by Embark (and developers in general) don't have a clue what they're doing. Anyone can see those kind of challenges would only produce annoying matches for everybody involved on the team. But they do it anyway, and either they don't actually give a shit, or they dont know how stupid it is and both are equally alarming.

[rough herald]

yoooo custom crosshair is cheating? by that stander why don't you ban all the people that change their dpi in their mouse soft wear too?

[quick coyote]

When the challenge is a challenge

@pootispencerhere.#0000 when the conditional gameplay challenge based reward system, rewards* challenging conditions in gameplay

[lucid bay]

I like tournaments

[dense marlin]

Bro u right with everything

And we definitely need hidden deadzone to be removed for controller and need outer deadzone slider added to the settings

[iron bough]

Putting a bunch of sweaty, cheating TTV 3-packs against random strangers playing light to complete a challenge is anything but fun. How can you be so biased? @quick coyote Aktually they are called contracts, but people like to sugar coat this atrocious design, see ya when the player count reaches 100. @lucid bay Poor soul.

[nimble surge]

I like tournaments

[ruby arrow]

I like tournaments cya in 30 mins

[velvet olive]

I like tournaments

[gritty python]

If I leave the World Tour, why am I banned from private matches for 10 minutes? That doesn't make sense?

[rotund sluice]

Leave the sniper damage as-is, maybe extend its damage fall off a bit, but make it a projectile that has to deal with bullet travel time. Make it much faster than the bow but not hitscan. Fixes issues around sniper feeling unfair, prevents any aimbot/hacks from abusing sniper headshots, anyone cracked enough to learn it will be more respected. Still usable close range

[sinful fiber]

After playing a few games i noticed that cashout tournaments became less exciting for me. I mainly play solo queue with strong focus on the objective and I don’t really care for kills in this mode.

• It’s way harder to catch up. The leading teams just can do whatever to interrupt you, because there is no punishment for them if they die. The last 1-2 minutes of a round often don’t matter, because it is rarely possible to earn enough cash to reach a top 2 spot when you 3rd or 4th.
• Cashout steals are way harder and less rewarding. The extra second is noticeable and even if you manage a sneaky last second steal, the 70% reward isn’t enough to swing the game in your favor.
• Managing respawns got dumbed down a lot. If you are the last player in the team, its mostly useful to suicide now as fast as possible. No more quick calculations if the suicide is worth it, no more sneaky stealing of the player statues for revives. The only upside is that don’t have to deal with teams camping your player statues to delay the respawns. But usually that’s the right moment to use a coin respawn.

Point 1 + 3 can easily be fixed with bringing back the team wipe penalty. This could also indirectly fix the 2nd point because then the cash gaps aren’t as big anymore.

I also noticed that people leave WAY more often now. I had leavers in 50% of my games...

[grizzled hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/3ad-gif-3568477930873168122

[sharp belfry]

As punishment for leaving your team to finish the match alone.

[thorn kelp]

+1 dmg buff per shot would be nice

[velvet nexus]

constant game ruining bugs that disable util and weapon use that they insist is fixed every time 👍

[jade bloom]

This is a beautiful and based take. Well thought out and I agree 100%

[nocturne sand]

On the cashout changes:

-revert team wipe penalties

^now, your team’s game is basically done if you secure the first two cashouts. Nothing to lose and can 3rd party / grief all you want. With >$25k you don’t have to worry about the $22k vault going in, and it will be hard for the bottom two teams to get BOTH in to have enough to qualify with the top 2 teams protecting the vaults.

-vault change: instead of the 30% bonus for simply putting it in, make it so that you accrue cash by holding it to secure up to a certain %. You should be rewarded for holding the objective, not simply starting one, but still give the flat 2k for putting one in as an incentive

-revert the steal time. 7s is too long and allows teams to camp farther away and play time opposed to truly defending. It was fine how it was and similar to standard FPS objective times (planting, diffusing, etc)

TA changes- good change in the health pools by class, feels way more balanced 👍

Explosive change / damage radius feels a bit wonky. Not sure what it is.

Weapon balancing:

Heavy has no viable automatic weapon, buff m60/lewis

Buff MGL

[jaunty comet]

Gold 3 - loaded into terminal with four un ranked players sos 💀

[rocky remnant]

Allow us to make our characters shirtless

[feral shell]

Just thought of an idea to address the complaints about lights being able to just start all the cashout for free money: pay out the 30% money awarded for starting a cashout only once the cashout has been defended for 30% of its time. If it gets stolen before 30% completion, then the entire vault becomes available for steal.

This would still incentivize starting cashout but also require defending which will make people play it more how it should be instead of cheesing. Maybe also bump the flat dollar amount for depositing.

[severe linden]

Just had yet another game last 20 seconds…

[smoky gust]

cl-40 leaves people at 10 hp so often, its painful

i know the 2-shotting/feet shooting was an issue, but its really not good right now
a slight rework would be nice

[novel merlin]

after last update i feel huge fps drop

[winter scroll]

Is it possible to remove ray tracing on console for image to be smoother

[wispy sand]

Can you have the game stop setting graphics to epic every time kyoto loads?

[rough herald]

Balance change embork too bind to see

**Heavy: **

• RPG still do 140 damage
• Hook still have no counter play
• Charge still do 130 damage
• M60 and Lewis recoil
• Auto-Shotgun still 2 tap light at range

Medium:

• Heal beam still out sustain most damage
• Duel blade SUCK
• Riot shield WEAK
• Fcar need a touch up for the longest time
• CL-40 do next to no damage with the lowest damage total per mag in the game (sad)
• Revolver fix the sight DAMN IT
• Defib still have too much i-frame
• APS need a buff

Light:

• Cloak need a touch up
• Throwing knife have the best dps and a bottomless clip is not helping
• XP-54 need heavier fall-off
• Sniper need a damage fall off
• Sword phantom strike need to become a feature but make it less effective
• Track dart need a huge buff
• Stun need to lock ability and not spec
• Breach charge, get over shadow by thermal bore

(wanna add more shit to this sad ahh list?)

[dark depot]

CHANGE THE PENALTY BACK YOU ABSOLUTE MORONS !!! YOUVE DESTROYED YOUR CORE GAME MODE !!!!!

[jagged cedar]

I've played 3 games today, 2 ta, 1 wt. World tour ended final round with a very blatant cheater, xp aimbotting walling crossmap shi. First terminal attack was against a top 20 70k+ only ruby stack (on my alt that is a 20k gold with another gold and two plats). Second terminal game had 2 rubies with an unranked cheater, crossmap sniping out of invis 15-1 boosting some ass players type shi.

Cheaters I report get banned pretty well but this game needs a stronger anti cheat because these people just keep coming back on alts without any resistance

[rose nacelle]

Stuck on loading screen while game continues running behind the screen. It's been worse.

[twilit skiff]

I never saw a cheater yet 😂 (if I don't forgot one). But maybe I'm just too blind and think they're just better than me 😂.

[flat solstice]

The hood from the metro drifter set is very cool. I'd really like to see more hoods in the game but as a "headwear" piece not just "upper body"

[warped torrent]

My video settings that i picked are not active (low fps) until i open the video settings screen then my settings are apply. I have tried reinstalling and deleting all my appdata and resetting all settings to default in the game menu but still when i launch the game i get low fps until i open the settings screen then it applies my video settings and my fps returns to normal. Im at a loss of what to do, so ill leave this feedback.

[livid reef]

The game is excellent👍

[dense marlin]

When they remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone to the settings then it’s excellent

[peak pine]

Add a better anti cheat please and thankyou

[iron bough]

People love tournament mode so much that queues are 5 mins long and matches are a sweat fest. This game is doomed, but it will be fun to watch it die out while the community keeps saying, "It's not dead, we only have 2000 players online, but it's not dead."

[waxen grove]

I've got the weird bug in world tour all the enemy teams were red and screen freeze still exists on ps5

[quick coyote]

Light: 93R has no reason to exist 🙃

[rough herald]

you can say that to every weapon, each class only need one gun 🙃

[vital crystal]

Who cares lol. Stop being so offended. It’s a name. My god gen Z are the softest generation ever.

[uneven prism]

fix lag spikes

[jagged cedar]

they arent super bad in wt and qp, theyve gotten worse tho

[torpid sky]

True

[main knot]

"lol" me gen z? Thnx. Thought was older.

[wispy stream]

infinite loading screen still present

[slow abyss]

I like the changes to would tour, though I did like the suggestion of the 30% awarded at 30% of the time.

Rpg just feels like free damage with little counterplay. I think you should do what you did to breach charge and c4 and make it more a destruction tool. Give it 2 shots, increase hip fire, but make it do like 80 dmg.

Lewis recoil is way to strong, it should be reverted are changed to be at least on the same level as, or better than m60 because it is heavy's only longer ranged weapon. Especially with the new map being more open, heavy needs a ranged option.

With the 93r, you've said you want to make it for headshots by having low recoil and bursts for consecutive hits, but have less damage to make up for it. This is flawed because 1) most of lights guns have low recoil anyway 2) the headshot multiplier is the same. I would make it a 2x headshot multiplier if that's your goal, or just keep leaning into what your doing now with making it a hipfire weapon.

The sights need to be changed to be more accurate. I know you probably don't want to remove the wobble and recoil animations you worked on that do make the game feel that bit more cinematic, so maybe add an option in the gun animations section for recoil and give the option between the existing one, and one where the sights are always in the centre of the screen.

Winch has little counterplay, idk how to fix. But it does need to be nerfed in some way.

Charge and slam should be changed from a specialisation that shreds through health to a positioning and approach tool. Make it do less damage but make it faster and/or last longer.

Dematerialiser doesn't work well on las vegas. Make it go through more layers on that map.

Grapple hook needs a slight range increase I think.

Cloak is inherently flawed utility. Either one of two thing happen: 1) the user is able to be undetected, can appear out of no where at will and can reposition via open areas safely, or 2) is seen and it didn't do anything. Make it like Spy.

[tawdry wadi]

It shouldn't be possible for players without rank to play with ranked players, there are people creating new accounts to use hacks and load other players

[gilded sage]

i hate low gravity and i will never like it

[fallen raptor]

I think this is one of the best modern fps games, it's my favourite tied with titanfall 2 ❤️

[uncut folio]

hey can u please nerf the taser, too much range, cancels everything, just another annoying mechanic

[rotund silo]

Pros and cons of latest cashout update.

LOVE:
•The intention behind these changes
•New spawn and cashbox locations

CONS:
•Removing the team wipe penalty and adding the additional deposit bonus makes it more challenging to come back.

[high wing]

srsly tho how can this game still have so many cheaters

[quick coyote]

I think grapple hook needs a rework, specificly make it a gadget with a slower cooldown and replace it with another specialisation like medium, this would make movment way more dynamic

Disable Kyoto ffs. Its a trainwreck dude. Any amount of action or explosions and it just goes to fuckin shit dude please

[covert pagoda]

I've seen "needs a rework" from someone on here, reddit or yt about every ability, weapon, gadget, map and game mode. Every single one. Let them experiment with World Tour and take concerns piece by piece.

[haughty niche]

revert dash nerf.
healbeams were fine they just shouldn't be able to target the same person.
nerf charge damage

[iron bough]

And?...

[silk imp]

RPD, spas-12, colt 1911, mp9, mp7, m16, uzi, makarov, glock

please :D

[celest tree]

kyoto optimization pls, i get 70 fps on all other maps (50 on vegas) but only 30 fps on kyoto

[olive vector]

PLEEEEEASE fix cloaking! It is SO hard to see and is putting me off playing the game! Like add a glowing outline or something!!!

[sacred isle]

Be real, do not lie. Throwing knives is too easy...

👇 Either lower the body damage to 55 or 50? or a pouch bag (10 blades?) to reload/cooldown. I am not sure on Critical Damage though. 🤓

[slow abyss]

Throwing knives have worse ttk the the m11 and most of lights other wepons. The headshot multiplier is the same. It cannot be used at range and you have to acount for drop. Just because people do well with it, it doesn't make it good. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19qVTE-FA3e__9sNpD5jLxNN_UgvdzcRjORXBkrP5yaQ/edit#gid=0

[analog falcon]

Hi finalist!
Please have a look at my suggestion.
Happy cashing out!
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/sFzMdhCjId

[thick sorrel]

Throwing Knives got so much buffs in a row in accuracy while moving, lower dispersion, higher velocity in favor to hit your shots close range even with both knives. It happens before that you just hit 1 of 2 knives often by fast moving enemies. Now you always hit with both. In summary your theoritical TTK is close to real TTK, while M11 it's the opposite because you never land 100% of your shots. TK needs more dispersion/delay between both knives so the enemy can dodge 1 knife while moving.
@red knot @charred rock @rotund mirage @outer jetty @sacred isle FYI

@smoky gust 👍🏻 I like your idea too. It takes more skill to land all your shots.

@slow abyss Got this from Apex:
Average Accuracy by input
Controller = 33%
MnK = 25%
https://youtu.be/B1BpWlVNwck?si=cF9UT57fs2YibsoC
100% lol - wake up, you're dreaming! Don't tell me your one time scenario: 1 meter away spraying in the back of a heavy, where you could hit 99,9% of your shots.

XP-54 offers more range=versatility, thats why. Magsize is a pain in the ass, most fights you have to reload. More Damage drop off at long range might be fair. You need to read RS___C's feedback!

Back to TK, it's 1 click in the head vs L or 2 in the body.
You can only compare it maybe to the shotgun, but it's balanced cuz it's super close range and long reload time.

@red knot I only agree with Stun Gun - same goes for RPG, Winch Claw, Charge & Slam.

Stun Gun should block any input, but the Light has to HOLD, so he can't attack at the same time. Therefore it's a great team gadget but no 1v1 free win, like the Heavy Stuff I mentioned before.

[young smelt]

Crashing has gotten significantly worse, 2 crashes in 6 rounds is unacceptable @quick coyote bruh you're literally only winning cause i keep crashing lol

[quick coyote]

im facingv you rn lmao

[red knot]

NERF LIGHT THROWING KNIFES!

they are LITERALLY broken to the brim
they just spam them without aiming and kill you with two hits, that's literally what happens to me 3 matches in a row
FIX THIS ASAP PLEASE!

[lament sable]

After playin new cashout for a while its just not good changes. There is no need to survive anymore, coins seem pointless. Theres no tactical cash plays anymore and 500 for a kill is way too much

[charred rock]

Yes ur right. I literlly had that too. The throw knifes are broken ah. the sword with the invisible op

[jade ingot]

i think they should revert the team wipe changes, the 500 for a kill should be lessened but idk what seems like a solid fit

[rotund mirage]

fr how are throwing knives beating even smgs in their optimal ranges without much effort

[outer jetty]

BUFF THE GOD DAMN SPEAR! IT'S A DOWNGRADER OF SLEDGE-HAMMER!

MAKE IT FUN TO PLAY! AND NOT DIE TO PLAY! 🫵 🤓 🇺🇸

Also Nerf Light's Throwing Knifes, It should have a reload, Or nerfing the speed of throwing it.

• It removes Mesh Shields.
• Even THE GOO! GUN! Can't win a fight against Light with Throwing knifes in the higher ranks! >:(
• In higher ranks it's everywhere 85% of the times.

[analog falcon]

Respawn points for loadout change in tournament:
I believe it’s a good idea because I sometimes forget to change my equipment or mistakenly choose the wrong loadout.
This feature would allow us to adjust on the fly by using a respawn coin. It would also create more exciting fights as teams change equipment to adapt to other teams.
I’m not sure if a respawn coin should allow the change of a single item or a complete loadout with multiple items.”

Thanks for reading!
Happy cashing out, Finalists!

[fallen raptor]

love this idea

[smoky gust]

most other light weapons have a slightly faster ttk, but they also have more ammo with lower damage
they require the user to aim more, account for recoil and stay on target
having a few, strong hits also makes them much more effective for quick burst damage (when you're just about to run around a corner for example)

these other weapons also carry a factor of risk, since, if you miss a lot you will need to reload, which will likely cause you to die or need to retreat, a weakness throwing knives don't have

they do lack range, at around 27 meters, shooting on eye level will cause them to hit the floor
you can increase your range by aiming higher but you rarely need to, since most fights happen in close range, into which light can get especially well
any range before that it might just cause you to whiff you headshots, but not much more
similar story with leading, at the range they are normally used in, they hit so fast it may as well not be a factor

i think increasing the delay between knives like yulaw said would be a good idea
alternatively, we could try halving their damage and doubling rate of fire, that way they need to aim and hit more (though this might also make misses less punishing, so not ideal)

i just want any change at this point, it doesn't feel good being stuck in one place for this long, especially with how many people seem to agree on this issue

[clear crystal]

When is the cyberpunk 2077 crossover event starting?

[slow abyss]

The bullet dissertation for most guns, including the xp54 is very low and with perfect aim you can hit 100% of shots. The only difference is you do this while hipfireing with the knives. My only concern with them is the crit ttk against light. Saying it's easier to hit shots with throwing knives is just false, you don't hit 100% of shots with the knives, and if you do then you can easily close to hit 100% of shots with xp54.

If throwing knives were easier and better than the xp54, they would be used more but I don't see many people using them, and most of the people that do are really good at the game and can win in spite of the knives.

Edit:
There are several guns that have burst damage and don't require tracking, I don't see why it's a problem when it's applied to the throwing knives.

[red knot]

nice idea but not enough, light weapons are just to op.
I'm fine with glass cannons but the light weapons are just to op compared to the other classes, same goes for some of their gadgets.

-Taser tase for to long.
-the MPs make to much damage in a to short time (small Nerf needed tbh) and to high range.
-throwing knifes two shot heavy
-sniper/bow give possibility to attack from 200m away with to high damage.

i literally could keep going.
this class NEEDS actual Nerfs instead of those small Nerfs like the new dash Nerf. that's not a nerf, that's a slight inconvenience instead of an actual Nerf.

same gose for Medium and Heavy in some aspects but those aren't getting played that hard rn.

the entire class system needs an overhaul tbh and you can't change my mind because i bet multiple people think the same.

@autumn bison i meant the dammage and range, light players wil find a way to use it like a sniper

[quick coyote]

Literally whoever thought of removing the team wipe penalty should find a new industry because they're clueless to how their decisions will actually play out.

[azure linden]

We need a penalty for team wipes

[autumn bison]

the bow isn't really that bad

[sharp belfry]

The bow is waaaay less problematic than the throwing knives and if you defend tk its because you depend on tk

[livid reef]

This game is really nice👏

[cursive oxide]

Just imagine an FPS Game that thinks it’s some how above having a TDM Game Mode lmao 🤦🏻‍♂️ “it’s too traditional & we’re progressive over here 💅 We’re outside of the box kind of thinkers” …. 🙄

[fickle hawk]

I personally love the new changes I think everything is good BUT there definitely a need for cash loss but 30% or whatever it was was way to much I feel maybe implementing a penalty for cash loss per player Say like 500 maybe even more then maybe like a 10% cash loss for a team wipe. Just an idea

[earnest sierra]

yet it's actually way better than any other fps out there lmao, as a game

[broken herald]

pls add a black shirt

[proper barn]

You need to remove the i frames on defibs.

[fair bolt]

If we have a spoon skin for the Sledge Hammer, can we have a Fork skin for the Spear?

[next pike]

i still think it's kinda dumb that you can have less time in a match than in a team respawn

[nimble surge]

oh yeah I second this. it enables cross map traversal with jump pads, jump pads + dash, and grapple. Hurts movement overall too. Good for quick cash maybe but absolutely not world tour.

[cursive oxide]

I agree but let’s not act like the game is doing great. It isn’t. How many times do i have to say “Fix Cash Out/Ranked for the core audience, add TDM, Prop Hunt & quit forcing ppl to play TA when they clearly don’t want to” 🥴 But hey, don’t listen to me, my favorite game mode is PowerShift lol 👉💩🕳️

[fierce valve]

Please seperate the hood from the upper body costume in the Metro Set. PLEASE.

[exotic viper]

BRING BACK THE TEAMWIPE , it’s ridiculous , ruins the game

[lethal rover]

Doesn’t at all. Rewards objective play, not playing TDM

[agile wing]

The team wipe 1/3 loss was TOO much, but it needs to be something - I would recommend the kills being a cash STEAL from the team you kill. So you get $500, and the team loses $500 per death. This also makes revives potentially more "expensive" and balanced since it is still by far the best gadget in the game. Plus, the idea of stealing from another team by killing them is just cool (can have some cool effects from it like the coins that spill out flow to the person who killed them), and it's not devastating, but it matters.

[waxen tinsel]

Where healbeam tier 7 skin?

[hidden locust]

Not rlly a crazy idea
But for eye customization it'd be cool to have a heterochromia option
Being able to have a full set or mix eye sets
could open up a lot of options

[regal salmon]

I really dislike the Cashout changes.

Don't get me wrong - it's still playable. It's not horrible. But it almost completely removes the gameshow feel from the mode.

There's no drama. There's no reversals of fortune. There's no combacks. Just a general inevitability as two teams pull away from the pack early, and never let go.

I was a very early Gold 1, and put a ton of time into the old mode, and have to say this just isn't that fun anymore.

The coin mechanic doesn't matter anymore because wipes hardly matter. Every team fights to the death now because the penalty is so low.

Strategies don't really matter anymore either. It's all very straightforward now. You barely have to pay attention to others teams totals. You just kill and cashout as much as you can because there's no risk anymore.

That, combined with the oppressive Light meta, is really robbing the game of its uniqueness in many ways. Too many modes are starting to feel dumbed down and TDM-like, and my group are all starting to lose a bit of interest as a result.

[west geyser]

after a lot of games in new cashout I had to say I don't like 0 money lost for wipe and 30% of cashout for puting it into cashbox station is too much in late cashouts, 500 cash per kill is great, maybe cashbox station should give money over time of control or something like that

Great game, keep experimenting in this season so we can get a great comeback of cashout rankeds in S4!
love you Embark

[marble creek]

I would love if cash is given to the team in control of cash out, while it's happening. So maybe 500 cash per however long 1/10th of the cash out timer is, and 5000 awarded for whoever controls it when it's finished. All you'd have to do is up the match time another 10 minutes or so.

[unborn mirage]

Embark are slowly ruining their own game especially with this update. WT has more third partying now
whoever thought of removing the team wipe penalty should find a new industry because they're clueless to how their decisions will actually play out.

[tough berry]

I love sledgehammer🔨 just reverse the nerf

[fair bolt]

So i think everyone will agree with me in this. Devs should add a feature to swap equipment with just holding left click on the equipment icon to drag them to your desired slot, (maybe you want gear in slot 1 to be in slot 3) this can be a great time saver when you are about to begin the match, sometimes you just swap from class and have to make changes in equipment quickly.

[fallen violet]

Bro i need an Orvieto map

[junior lintel]

i keep getting kicked from game i have gotten error code TFG0027

[restive crescent]

fix graphics config getting reseted

[sonic raft]

WT now is unplayable in solo queue. It's annoying af that every team griefs another cashout because they have nothing to lose. I also think that there should only be a 30% gift if you can hold the cashout to 50% before it get stolen. Putting the vault in the cashout requires no skill. People can just grab it and run to the cashout, then wipe. Just to get that 30%.

[solid pine]

I can’t believe after months they finally made a major change to cash out and it fucking blows. Of all the things they could’ve done, money on DEPOSIT? Really?

[covert pagoda]

Bank It: I like the changes they made and the influx of lights should change with class balance (I'd hope so), but Solo Bank It should make a return as well.

Power Shift: This has been a solid mode since its initiation. My main issue is predictability. There should be more possible pathways for the platform per map, and I think jump pad placement needs slight moving around. They could take this a step further with a 10v10 Power Shift (race) with two platforms, similar to Payload Race in TF2.

Quick Cash: I... I get that it's supposed to be quick, but damn, the first team to 2 cash outs feels a little too brief for me. I think first to 30k would be better.

[sage matrix]

The staff needs to be debuffed. I’ve noticed while playing as a heavy flame, when I have full health I should not DIE to someone who’s half to a quarter health with a staff. It feels almost impossible to have fun when I have teams with 2-3 heavy staffs that just kill everything in a hit or two. It’s almost impossible to play with all the weapons and actually change up your strategy when I have to go one specific strat because everyone is either going as light throwing knives or heavy staff 😭

[quick coyote]

There should be, but with effort and not just a braindead 7m AOE instant kill button. (+ 1 bullet, hard i know)

Sniper being hitscan is a massive L Embark. imagine having hitscan for a 230dmg headshot from across the map all but invisible. clowns

[proper barn]

Please remove the I-Frames from defibs and add bullet drop to the sniper.

[remote loom]

can you flesh out the hudless mode so that you can at least view the scoreboard by projecting it from a contestants arm?

oh, and i'd like to be able to respawn during it as well

[little steppe]

Came to vent about the new WT Cash out changes. This definitely blows. There needs to be a team wipe penalty, because right now it's literally impossible to catch up to teams in the lead.

[leaden vault]

my game has been crashing every 20 mintues or so, anyone know whats going on? just updated my drivers so Im not sur

[misty jasper]

if it gave money over time then stealing last minute would be pointless no?

[sonic raft]

I disagree. Before there was strategy and I never felt like I couldn't come back with a 22k cashout and/or wiping a team. Cash on deposit is dumb, but rewarding teams before the very end of the cashout is ideal. Like, at 50%, give 30% of the cashout. Not just for putting it in the cashout. That's dumb.

[dense ocean]

bring back team wipe penalty

[clever charm]

no cash loss on wipe is really bad.... last place wiped 2nd place and still can't catch up with 1.5k diff. That wipe could have been spot changing.
There's literally nothing you can do if you get really good early and mid game. You can basically afk the half the round.

[craggy basin]

I think the game developers did an amazing job of making fashion maps, Easter eggs and more so thank you game developers you did an amazing job on so much it overwhelms any criticism in my opinion

[upbeat ore]

Wipe penalty needs to return. It's depressing to wipe a strong team and still lose because there is no consequence for dying.

[burnt notch]

Bring back the team wipe penalty!

pretty please

[granite ravine]

Penalty back bring plez

[patent girder]

What’s more frustrating?

-Not being able to win after fumbling both of the first cashouts ?
Or
-Losing after dominating the first 3/4th of the round cause you got 3rd partied ?

Pick your poison.

I think we all agree a middle ground is good. 15% wipe penalty. I’ll bet money they will do just that in 2 weeks when the world tour changes. For now I’m really enjoying being able to play aggressive.

[opal ocean]

I like no team wipes but maybe bring it back at 10-20%.

Or find some kinda way to keep cash out open even up until the end. It's good that there's a gap in skill and it makes it less random. It's depressing to be the team at the bottom - there needs to be a middle ground. And I appreciate you're trying to find it

[vital crystal]

The real insult is that it’s taking the developers more than 48 hours to revert a change that 90%+ of people hate.

It would take all but a day to reverse it back. That’s the insult.

[craggy basin]

Don’t judge them they have been making weekly updates and they have to work on bugs glitches etc they might change it but they have so many things they have done amazing

[crisp heart]

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[quiet frost]

That team wipe penalty needs to comeback embark and add some sort of restriction on ranked/tournament for newer players

[next kraken]

maybe if you dont get a cachout you lose 20% of what you have, encourages more point play and less running around team wiping

[rustic birch]

5 games in a row where ive had to carry in powershift. pls give me better teammates PLEASE

[prisma harbor]

close your eyes and imagine that there are 60 days left with this shitty season 3

[quick coyote]

I havent seen such universal hatred for a change in a game maybe ever. This is the type of shit that kills your game in a second. Its such an unfathomably bad change. It was so obvious. Nobody that played the game thought that no team wipe penalty was a good thing, those patch notes screamed problems. And yet, they thought it would do seemingly the exact opposite of what its done. And imo, it completely hurts their credibility when it comes to making a game. They clearly have some of the best DEVELOPERS on the planet. The game, despite its flaws, is a technical marvel. Server side destruction working at all is amazing. But management? Just like all management, head up their ass, too full of themselves and honestly i'm uncertain if the people making decisions really play the game in any useful capacity.

[upper citrus]

They’ve already acknowledged it and thrown some ideas out there. It is a bad idea to change things because of initial backlash. They need data and longer term feedback

[tough berry]

I love sledgehammer 🔨reverse the nerf

[slate plover]

why does the slug shotgun not have an actual ADS

[mortal ridge]

The team wipe penalty needs to come back to Cashout tournaments. There is absolutely no way to qualify if you don't start a Cashout. I have had games where I was unable to start a Cashout at all because I kept getting third partied. And on top of that, even if I were to start a cashout, I wouldn't be able to qualify anyway because the second place team already has $30,000-$40,000. However, if there were team wipe penalties, I could wipe them, so that they now only have $20,000 and the game is still winnable. Yes there is a little less third partying, but that's because the only thing you really need to do is run to the Cashout, start it, and then wipe, with no reprocuctions.

It creates these weird moments where you really can't do anything to qualify. I thought anything could happen in the finals, but I guess last minute clutches from last place aren't one of them

[winged glacier]

since the devs are so insistent that the game has to have the literally easiest to use high damage weapons i've ever used in a video game (i.e. bow and sniper), i petition that they add a fkn nuke, usable anywhere anytime that insta kills the entire enemy team

[burnt notch]

Literally this. They said it in the patch itself that these are experimental changes to test out their ideas to change up Cashout.

It doesn’t make it any less important that team wipes be brought back, they should absolutely come back, but we shouldn’t be urging them to “do it ASAP or else game dies”.

[patent wind]

I think this really just boils down to the team wipe change not every change but i agree. I dont agree on the “oppressive light meta” hardly see lights make it to round 2 imo. I think that people are just shocked that heavy is less op now

[regal salmon]

I mean in non-WT modes.

Lights don't win matches that much. But they tend to get the most kills, and just make the game miserable for everyone else by turning it into Team Deathmatch.

So now it's either boring, no-strategy World Tour, or get endlessly harassed by Lights (free kills with Stun Guns, near-constant 'detected' messages) in other modes, who aren't even bothering with the objective, and serve only to punish attempts at creative play.

I feel like the game's lost a ton of joy and that gameshow feel this season. The Cashout changes and Light meta just feel like a lot of the cool creative possibilities of the game are being bled away.

[ashen stirrup]

Hi yall I just want to say that I really like the new cashout changes and I hope the developers stick to the no wipe penalty change. It would be best to probably make two separate modes so that so many players who enjoy the wipe penalty can play that while the rest of us play without the wipe penalty. Also, I think Embark should announce what changes they would like to bring to the game before just doing it and launching it live last minute with no notice. Making the discussion more inclusive with the community would give us all more to speak constructively on. More surveys, more roadmaps, more discussions please! Keep up the great work Embark! Haters gonna hate lol

[feral shell]

If Embark’s data is anything like my experience, matches are still very close at the end and it’s anyone’s game when vaults 5/6 spawn - much like before. If anything I’ve seen fewer blowouts so far.

I’m not completely against a team wipe penalty but the bigger it is, the bigger crutch you’re giving to players who played poorly all game and want to catch up despite not deserving it. I want good play rewarded all match not just at the very last seconds of OT. This change does that exactly.

[arctic pelican]

I'm very pleased with the WT changes. Makes vaults more important, overall performance over the course of the match more important, and still has tension unless you have a colossal lead. All pluses IMO.

[prisma harbor]

close your eyes and imagine that there are 60 days left with this shitty season 3

[vital crystal]

You’re a filthy casual

[quick coyote]

Literally havent had a game in about 15 WT matches where the two bottom teams had more than 12k. Its a clusterfuck blowout everytime. It has zero tension, all 3rd parties which they said they reduced, and its just balls now.

[clever charm]

50% cash for the duration. 50% at the end maybe?
or
10% cash deposit, 40% for duration (every 10s or some other interval), and 50% cash in

[marsh raptor]

Cashout format idea :

30% amount from placing vault.

40% trickles in per sec, for whoever controls the cashout on the duration of the timer.

30% lump sum for the team who controls it when its completed.

...

15% teamwipe penalty.

[cosmic minnow]

😔

[versed hazel]

yo this game literally runs significantly worse with every passing update. if I see another dog shit nerf or stupid ass change before actual stability improvements, i might be done with this game (im not even mad at the balancing, it seems fine- I just cant seem to play this game without running into bugs every single time now)

[short cedar]

Same issue here since the 3.6 update. Game has been running like ass. Never had much of an issue before.

[feral shell]

If you have 12k and the last vault is 22k you still have a chance to win though. Unless you were just getting shit on all game in which case you deserve to lose . Third parties are never going away unless its 2 teams. You atleast dont make as much of a financial impact as you used to by third partying.

[lapis basin]

Have to admit… I like the no team wipes now and I hated it at first

[tulip violet]

I'm having the opposite experience of this, since the latest update my game has been running so much better

[uneven dagger]

invisibility should get the wallhack treatment

[quick coyote]

Dude I think you're bad at the game. No offense. But I'm on teams racking up 30k after the first cashout by depositing, leaving it, 3rd partying, still getting the 1st cashout and possibnly the 2nd cashout, all the while getting about 15 kills, or 7.5k on top of it. I'm finishing the 2nd cashout at 45k regularly now. It seems like you don'[t score a lot? Or play conservatively. 3 cracked players can now easily put 22k up in JUST kills. That is insane. You're wrong here, this is horrible design and it needs to be reverted asap.
@sharp belfry why are you saying random shit, what exaclty did i say that invokes "cool guy". Or are you just naturally an inflammantory, passive aggressive cuntrag?

[sharp belfry]

Watch out, cool guy here

[ripe seal]

Watch out, cool guy here

[gentle narwhal]

Why hasn't the gateway been fixed yet? It's been broken this entire season.

I do not know what triggers the glitch, but once it is glitched, you cannot use it for the rest of the match (even if you die).

[real scroll]

am I the only one who can't see the LH1 scope on dark maps?

[wintry trout]

lmao having a contract to play 9 matches of TA is perhaps the most pathetic way to get people to play the worst game mode

[gritty umbra]

pretty much

[feral shell]

Dude I think you may have 2 IQ points. No offense. The god squad of pro finals players youre on are proving my point though. You demons dominating lobbies by such large margin shows that theres a skill gap now. You guys sweated your way to the top and now there's no crutch for the filthy casuals to drop all your hard earned money by 30%. You, Scump and Shroud should be winning every match by such large margins, especially with your 44 team kills.

[quick coyote]

Bro the matches are boring now. Its all 3rd party chaos. There's zero risk, zero tension, and the last second plays went out the window. Sorry that you like the change because it already was acknowledged apparently by the devs, so its not staying, because its bad.

You people really seem to fail to realize that not catering to solo q's is the death of the game. Its 90% of players. If its impossible, they won't play. And every step of the way Embark has made it harder for Solo Qs and casuals and that is the deathknell of a game.

[sharp belfry]

I Solo q most of the time too, shit is fun

[wintry frost]

Could we have the option to select which tracks we want to listen to for things like lobby music, searching, end of round, etc.? I'm not saying the new OSTs are bad or anything like that, but I'd literally pay if I could play the S1 tracks when looking for a game or ending one. Playing them on a different platform is an option, but it's not ideal.

I'm suggesting something like what Rocket League has.

[indigo star]

will you guys ever lower the graphical fidelity of the game or optimize it better? i run at 90fps on an RTX 3070 and R7 5800x. its probably the main thing holding this game back tbh. for example: why, on the lowest settings, is EVERYTHING moving? trees 60 miles away? swaying in the wind (leaves included). particle effects? everywhere. it kills performance and there should be a way to disable that stuff on the lowest settings

[wintry trout]

I honestly can't believe that every patch continues to be worse than the last
how does one even aspire to be so awful
@patent wind
fastest TTK and annoying specializations yeah okay weakest class
literally has enough bullets in one mag of M11 to kill a heavy and a medium plus extra without a single headshot
as a light main, I insist you have no idea what you're talking about

[gilded hull]

yep, 4060ti here - 144fps only after turning all settings to low and enabling dlss, like does everyone here have a godly system or something?

[rotund silo]

I exclusively solo queue and have a ton of fun. It’s all about being a good teammate and having faith in other people.

[olive fulcrum]

Game performance is wayyy better since last update. THANKS!

[patent wind]

again really just boils down to team wipe changes. Other than that the strategy is still there lol? If youre being killed by lights its because
A) skill issue
B) they are insane at the game
C) you have a melee weapon and they have stun gun

Literal weakest class in the game with the highest skill gap

[swift wind]

This has probably been said a million times but I’m going to drop this feedback here anyway.

Team wipe 25s respawn on power shift when the enemy team is less than 25s away from the midpoint feels really bad. Would love to see an exception made for this at some point.

[hallow kindle]

XP-54 weapon feedback. The XP-54 desperately needs a damage range fall off nerf. I don't understand why a SMG, which is supposed to be a close range gun can literally just beam people at mid range. At this point the XP-54 is basically better than ARs at range, why? It's not like Light is lacking in ranged options, a close range gun should not be so well rounded.

[crisp heart]

embark pretty please remove hitscan from sniper. it is insane that a slug shotgun that cannot be ADS'd has bullet travel, but the high damage scoped rifle is hitscan. absolutely baffling. the sniper is very unfun to play against! I also play on balanced FSR2 upscaling, and between that and the size of the sniper glint, it can be extremely difficult to aim at a sniper when they are far away, especially when they are only exposing their head. please address this!!!

[cerulean garden]

Feedback RE: changes to cashout rules. I think 30% of the vault being awarded in upon depositing is a good idea that incentivizes getting the vaults into the cashout. I'll add a +1 to reinstating the teamwipe, mainly because the chang has zapped alot of the jeopardy and strategic thinking out of the game. Maybe bring it back in for "The Finals", but keep it out for the more casual "World Tour"? I dunno. I'd say keep it at 30% as well - wiping needs to be significant, both for the wiper and the wipee. Give me them HIGH STAKES baby

[quick coyote]

Revert the dash nerf. It's awful and undeserved.

[drifting thistle]

haiz close range fight with heavy even tho he using machine gun still a fked up situation when he press Q dash

[earnest sierra]

Embark please make the cheating punishment a perma hwid ban not temporarily ban

temp bans are for any smaller punishment that player repeated multiple times with warnings

perma bans should be for cheaters no matter how popular or new or old he's if he's cheating he gets perma ban

[feral shell]

No idea why everyone keep saying it was acknowledge by the devs - I looked and neither Oscar or Rob have said anything.

Its boring because you and Cloud 9 are thebest players in the lobby and now the mode caters to you. If there were strict SBMM like in ranked it would be far more balanced and close because youd be against Optic, Faze and other similar skilled players.

This game never catered to solo q and thats why its already dead.

[young cape]

Hi

[cursive lotus]

Wizard 🧙‍♂️ skin

[fair bolt]

you can just break the ladders bro

[short sequoia]

No team wipe penalty has ruined the game.

[sacred siren]

aint no way theres still 60 days left in this season. i love this game, season 1 and 2 felt like it passed in a flash, but why wont this god forsaken season end. do the people in charge of balancing even play the game?

[olive fulcrum]

Not sure what triggers it, but there is a bug right now with Tracking Dart that perma-tracks people.

They respawn tracked for the rest of the match.

[marsh raptor]

Cashout format idea :

30% amount from placing vault.

40% trickles in per sec, for whoever controls the cashout on the duration of the timer.

30% remaining lump sum for the team who controls it when its completed.

...

15% teamwipe penalty.

[earnest pilot]

We need Input based Matchmaking