👂┇game-feedback

[untold locust]

I see them in non ranked terminal attack, i thought it was by design to fill matchmaking.
I have a video of a whole team of them on New Vegas before they killed themselves.
Another game same thing, all meduim bot team with turret and pyro,
Beginning of round they place turret then throw pyro at their own feet,
Another game (Kyoto) 1 light on our team a bot and the whole team could tell by his spamming random inupts the entire game with no sense of direction.
HE EVEN SWITCHED TO A SNIPER MIDROUND!
Every bot in every game so far has a two word name

[velvet olive]

You.. can't play 3 games?

[night bone]

Trust me, i would love to do It and i already try it, but, at least for WT on xbox (Europe/North america servers) it's impossible to find people in reasonable time, even in weekend days 🥺

[pulsar quarry]

Ooooh I never considered that sorry about that bro. In that case you should have another option you’re right

[deep summit]

Took 5 minutes of inactivity for my teammate to be kicked in World Tour, you need 5 minutes of doing nothing to be considered AFK. No thought went into that, whoever designed it that way needs their head checked.
Reply: No he wasn't dead, in the same building not moving for 5 minutes, then he gets kicked.
My point is, if the player has 0 dmg, 0 deaths, 0 kills, 0 support for 5 minutes, it would make sense he's AFK

[daring fossil]

was he dead? you don't get autokicked while dead. I've gotten inactivity warnings after less than a minute, so it's definitely not 5 minutes

[unborn sedge]

Am I crazy or have there been full teams of bots?

[versed cloud]

Because nobody is playing that shit it's probably super easy to farm the rewards for TA and then sell the accounts later, but really who knows

[nocturne sand]

Very niche, but it would be helpful to have some sort of differentiating factor, whether a visual or audio queue, to know when you are getting a hit marker for damaging a player vs when you are hitting enemy equipment (mines) or zip lines

Currently a GL main, so this really only pertains to explosives, but sometimes I’m not sure and unless I knew my damage previously I can’t know if I hit a player or destroyed a mine/c4/motion sensor/ zipline

[edgy fable]

hi

[winged belfry]

that's a good idea, actually. You know what is also a good idea? GETTING RID OF LOW GRAVITY, NO ONE LIKES IT. IT JUST MAKES EVERYTHING WEIRD AND LESS DOABLE.

[daring fossil]

I like low gravity, being able to bounce pad across the map last second for a clutch isn't possible without it, and I've won games like that a few times. adapt

[copper nacelle]

Would be nice to have a mine icon when you ping a mine

[quick coyote]

Nerf bunny hopping. It wasnt an issue until bows and knives.

[rough herald]

the second worst take i've seen by far

@edgy fable 👉 #📧┇contact-us 👈

[edgy fable]

I accidentally deleted the welcome email of the third season, could you please send me this email again?

[warm bluff]

The hot takes are always fun to read kek

[celest tree]

seperate face and body paint so i can use both pls

[abstract coyote]

TA rounds should change every 2 rounds. Defending is the easiest as you can get set up on each point then just run around looking for attackers. Should not be able to defend all the way tell match point. Just make it were every 2 rounds it swaps from attacking to defending thx.

[quick coyote]

They apparently felt that the arena resets were more important to competitive integrity. I don't think people would care if the destruction remained between rounds. It should def be a 2-2-2-2-2-2-1, with the 1 going to the team with a higher combat score.

[sudden tangle]

Embark, if u dont release emerald tmrw, game is dead.

[daring fossil]

says you? I'll still be playing regardless, and so will the rest of the people who don't give a shit.

[warm compass]

embark aim assist is too weak thats why your game base players is dying and buff heavy class shield the game full of light class balance it

[versed dagger]

I think removing the wipe penalty in cashout is a good idea, but if it doesnt work, we could have it scale with how much money you have (the more money, the more you lose)

[rough herald]

yooo watching the stream rn and you guys are cooking
what about ta tho?

[plush hound]

I have never experienced so many disconnects in any game before.
Stuck in the loading screen - only way to exit is Alt+F4. Come back for matchmaking suspension. Well done embark

[oblique spindle]

That would be crazy. Top teams would just stall others from objective with no consequences. The penalty is already 30% which can completely change the ranking with a late team wipe

[verbal lintel]

Maybe Its a good idea to give us a PTR server for testing new things...

[gritty umbra]

that would be an actual solution to the problem and require work, something nexon has 0 fucking clue on

[candid crystal]

You're talking like they could rub two stones together.

[sudden tangle]

the rest of the 8k remaing players

[full thunder]

I think the ruby skin should have your leaderboard place on it, such as if ur #69 in ruby, you will have the #69 on it, just to show how limited the skin is for the top dogs of the game. Petition for this design ? I’ve already talked with over 50 people from the ruby ranks in top 500 that think this is a fantastic idea, and I’d love to run around and get signatures for this to be added to the game, such as what happened with the frog onesie. Petition for this? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. @rare spear

[rare spear]

I like the idea and will pass it along to be considered

[rough herald]

^^^ W ^^^

game will be so much faster now then, the money to win need to be increase

[thorn kelp]

Blud needs to hop off 😂

Also W to Embark for TA changes for Medium to regen to 125 HP and Heavy to 150 HP

Also cannot wait for the new World Tour changes Oscar mentioned

Much love to everyone at Embark

[daring fossil]

player base is still steady 13-16k concurrent (just on steam alone) same as last season

[spiral thorn]

Was just watching some old THE FINALS gameplay from the beta (i think) and o just thought that the old entry and exit of the players looked so much cooler than the current ones, and that there could be an in between of the current and old developed.

[olive shell]

Removing team wipe penalty is dumb bro.

[glass fjord]

get ready for a rat fest, playing cod, and only depositing

[stray rampart]

No money loss for team wipes, people can just fight over doubling up the cashout and putting both vaults in or put a vault in and just go fight other teams GGs

[true harness]

DO NOT remove the 30% team wipe penalty, PLEASE. When you remove it, it not only makes the game less competitive/exciting, but it also puts teams in situations where a win may literally be impossible, based on the current cash totals. This is a major step back, considering all the other changes were solid. Please rethink this one.

[tulip jasper]

please.... everybody is playing Light. The light is too powerfull, its annoying

[velvet olive]

#TF2COLLAB

[forest dragon]

Fünfz#9102 Ban him hes the biggest Cheater ever

[last mica]

LOVE IT

[violet goblet]

how about adding cash stealing system instead of removing team wipe penalty? If your team gets wiped out, you lose 10% of your cash, and the team that caused your team to get wiped out gets 10% of your cash.

[oblique spindle]

Going off only the first cash out if you were to deposit it and just go for kills you would need 8 kills to match the 7k left

[sleek spoke]

I mean its not that bad

[quick coyote]

There should just be a constant money bleed at a fixed percentage of your total to incentivize actually playing the last cashouts. Its a heist game imo and like, money flying out of the bags kinda thing.

[drifting pawn]

not a fan of the upcoming cashout changes, particularly the removal of the team wipe penalty. it eliminates all risk of the #1 team going in to disrupt the final cashout(s) of the match. they are totally free to go in and wipe (even multiple times) with no risk of being knocked. the other money changes are fine IMO. please back out of this change. it will not be good for maintaining your playerbase.

How about this twist instead: earning money per second you hold a cashout instead of only getting the full amount for possessing it right at the end? $83/second on a 10K box, $125/second on a 15K box, $183/second on a 22K box. This would make matches much tighter since teams often steal the cashouts back and forth. Getting a cheap steal at the last 6 seconds and earning the full amount of the vault box is lame

@daring fossil Oscar announced the changes himself on stream

[candid crystal]

Not having any punishment for a team wipe will be a mistake. Please stop fucking with things that are unnecessary.

[daring fossil]

where was this said?

@drifting pawn oof discussing and sharing leaks is against server rules

[glossy wigeon]

Why dont they just listen to the community. This is so annoying

[verbal lintel]

No. But I've been playing games for over 30 years now and my experience is that a PTR is positive in every aspect. For the community and for the developers. I haven't had any negative experiences with it yet. At no point did I tell that they should do this tomorrow.

[violet elbow]

nerf winch claw

[final haven]

stop lowering the skill ceiling and catering towards the casual fan base

[patent wind]

im a comp player, but that would kill the game lol. thats most of the playerbase

[fading trail]

some feedback regarding progression skins: seems like because the original is black and has "the finals" in yellow, the other higher level camos look worse because theyre just a plain color. Maybe consider adding more detail/ "the finals" to these too. Like to the yellow camo, blue, red, white etc

[warm compass]

buff aim assist its so weak not because of the bug because its really weak

[gilded hull]

play it then lol

[crystal umbra]

The game has a pretty low casual player base.
As in, everybody is so damn hardcore. Everyone is tournament focused.
When your winning in tournament/ranked it feels GREAT.
When your loosing in tournament/ranked it feels TERRIBLE.
There is not a big casual community in the finals.

Everything is team based and objective based in the finals, the modes and atmosphere kinda shuns away alot of people who just want to play a game in a casual way with friends - which is why I think they should emphasize and prioritize a "clan system" where people play together and earn Cosmetics - &&& also foster casual modes like Bank-It and a new mode I thought of called Blitz (basically The Finals styled HardPoint).

Most of the game modes in The Finals you'll find enemies running as a well oiled team, probably hard comming even in Quick Cash and you get crushed by that kind of team while your trying to turn your brain off and run solo.

If you have a team of people to play with you can Definitely do a good job, but for the other 75% of players who just want a tight game to play with a game mode where you can be rewarded for kills and not just strats.

Anyways, I think embark needs to work on advertising Bank-It, making it better for casuals, or drop new modes for people who wanna just kill & destroy shit and waste time and most importantly HAVE FUN

Thanks for your consideration 🚀

[frigid carbon]

Spawn killing in power shift is a real problem at the moment.

I think this game could really benefit from variable/multiple spawn points per game phase.

There’s no reason that a game should end in less than 5 minutes because 2-3 Lights are camping where we spawn while the rest of the team is just riding the platform to the finish line.

[warm basalt]

Also a greater skill rating match in powershift and other unranked mod

[mighty cedar]

This game could really benefit from actual balance changes.

[rough herald]

it may not punish the wiped team but it dose reward you with the new kill reward buff

@tulip jasper good light counter everything but everything also counter light so skill issue
(unless you talking about ta then i agree)

@mighty cedar we'll see, a confirm balance change is the light brust pistol buff

[sullen cobalt]

FIX THIS

[bronze abyss]

PLEASE give demat some love, it is a really great specialization with some downsides that do not quite put it on par with heal beam. One of the most frustrating things about demat is its inconsistency when going through walls, roofs, etc... or trying to steal a cashbox and it getting stuck on invisible objects. It would most likely be difficult to change in the backend, but definitely one worth doing. I think it should demat an area, or just demat through multiple layers.

Something that is easier to implement and change that would be better in the short term is increasing the recharge speed on demat and/or giving it an additional charge.

[tulip jasper]

i don't loose against them, but i don't like playing only against lights, that's not fun for me. https://i.postimg.cc/rpXsmzWD/20240723191701-1.jpg

[pulsar tide]

i also wish you didn't need to pull up a tablet to use it. be cool to shoot a hackerman beam out of your hand. hits a wall it open hits a open wall and it closes it. nice, simple, fast, better flow and you can still be ready to fight. and better range as well.

[late flower]

Don't you understand this game needs to be a super inaccessible sweat fest like cod

[patent wind]

cod is one of the most casual games to exist tbh thats why it has so many players. dont you mean apex legends

[wind mist]

Throwing knives are way too easy and good atm

[ripe seal]

If console isn't important enough to have text chat could we at least have a ping that lets teammates know not to revive or that it's dangerous

[sacred cypress]

make people loose points if they leave midgame in WT. I'm sick of butthurt players leaving midgame cos we didnt get the first cashout.

[west geyser]

Why tere is no "reason" option to report someone for AFK and leaving the game?

[brave sable]

add more guns that people actually want to use…MORE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS stop adding bs no one wants to use

[vital narwhal]

I think there should be two types of dog cosmetics in the game.

[ember maple]

Why does it feel like the people making decisions since season 3 dropped are completely disconnected from what makes the game successful at all. If I wanted to play CoD I would play CoD. I don't play the finals to queue into a match with 6-7 lights ignoring everything while playing their own game of TDM. This is the same decision making that killed BFV (trying to be CoD and then trying to be a BR) and 2042 (trying to be CoD). I hope someone figures this out before the game turns into Rogue Company 2....

[rough herald]

tk being easy is not the problem, its that it have the best dps in the game and bottomless clip is not helping

[rotund sluice]

No, having a large cashout allows last second clutches. If anything, removing the ability for a low team to do a last second clutch would kill off the player base more than the no wipe change. Teams should always be in contention unless you were terrible all match. It also forces teams to sweat over a cashbox throughout the entire time it’s live.

I do agree that cashout needs a wipe penalty, but since we’re play testing changes then it doesn’t hurt to give it a try. Not apples to apples, but for Apex a dev said that one hour of live playtime generated more data than a decade of internal play tests. We simply cannot expect large changes to be balanced without them being live. However if it’s bad we should petition for it to change ASAP.

[silent fog]

Please let there be a tk nerf tomorrow, Im getting tired of bad players just spamming them

[drifting pawn]

it would make for tighter matches though:
team 1 holds cashout for 30 seconds (cashed out $X)
team 2 takes it and holds it for 20 seconds (cashed out $X)
team 3 takes it and holds it for the remaining 1m10 (cashed out $X)

now these 3 teams are a bit closer together financially than if only one team took the whole pot, making the rest of the match much more exciting to where just kills/wipes can determine the winner as opposed to which team cheesed a $22K steal in the last 2 cashouts. I say this as part of a team that very often cheeses one of the last boxes to advance lol. it feels pretty whack.

[long flame]

Add replay mode like CS

[acoustic gust]

Revert the changes to M60 and Lewis gun, playing heavy with an LMG = losing the game

[grim patrol]

Should add always available objective based cosmetics, like "steal 50 cashouts from opposing teams" and it rewards a cartoony burglar outfit set,

[violet inlet]

I hope world tour stays next season. I don’t care if the game mode changes, but world tour rules for people that can’t invest in the ranked grind

[spark shard]

Own ranked store: we should pick what weapon we want at the end of the season. Let's say: I ended up as diamond, so I can pick AK with diamond skin. Not impose the weapon, please.

[warm compass]

embark buff aim assist thats why your game dying we cant compete with mk noobs they just point and click and they still crying like babies with controller has small aim assist 😂

[opal osprey]

they do that in every game tbh lol

[pseudo latch]

Day 124 of me begging the devs to give heavy an M134 Minigun as a Specialization.

• 200 Round magazine, ammo is restored four bullets every second, 50 seconds for a full reload.
• 20 rounds per second, eleven damage a round, 220 DPS. No headshot modifier to keep DPS from becoming insane.
• Falloff begins at 30 meters down to six damage a shot at 50, but wide spread means the weapon becomes less effective past 10 meters even against larger targets, you’re probably not getting higher than 150 DPS even as far as 10 meters.
• bullets do high damage to structures (should be breaking walls in 20-50 shots) allowing a mid-range option to output mass destruction (destroying entire walls on higher floors of buildings, ripping apart nesting sightlines)
• • significant damage to structures and players
• • gun can be pre-spooled with RMB over having an ADS (for obvious reasons, you try to aim down the sights of a water cooler)|
• • high suppressive force through sheer amount of bullets being fired
• • its a goddamn minigun
• - Heavy cannot jump or sprint while holding it, has to switch back to primary
• - lengthy equip-unequip time to balance such, no “pocket minigun” strats, choosing to use this mid-combat is a commitment, one that could get you killed.
• - gun has to spool up for a second before firing, spool up being LOUD

Really excited for tomorrows cashout changes. Gonna be a patch for the better, on god.

[smoky basin]

“No penalty on team wipes”
U re destroying this game

Edit 1
“500$ each kill” this mode gonna be cod

[pulsar tide]

how so? cause you cant get lucky and have the top team team wipe anymore from someone else to win
you actually need to earn your score more then before? rather then a 30% score loss

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone to controller settings

[nocturne sand]

1. I like the increase as a bonus to incentivize putting in the box, however, I don’t think it should be 30%. It should be like $5k flat

2. The 30% should function as an “up to 30% bonus” for holding the cashout for x amount of time. More intuitive as a “king of the hill” type incentive and actually holding the cashout, opposed to a team getting 2/3 players killed and the last one just running off and making a mad dash to get the box in, for example.

3. No penalty to team wipes is not a good change. Part of the game is strategy- whether in sacrificing some cash and wiping on purpose to respawn and save tokens, or to burn tokens to prevent your team from getting wiped.
   Further, almost wiping a team but they manage to protect the cashout for just long enough is now an even greater penalty, because now you can’t get the wipe to mitigate some of the cash you lost out on. This now makes the fight After-the-cashout-finishes meaningless, as the team that cashed out has no incentive to stay alive. It is now akin to the final round right after a cashout happens and creates “garbage time” where the fight really has no bearing on winning.
   ^Edit building upon this further: also reduces the “clutch moment factor” that makes the finals so good- when the clock is ticking to use a respawn token and you’re either being hunted / hunting the last enemy for a team wipe, it no longer matters and takes away a potential avenue for qualifying.

4. Shoutout to embark for the TA health changes, I was vocal about that in here so glad to see you guys took that feedback into consideration. I think this change makes a lot of sense.

[glass fjord]

i just dont understand how of all the changes that couldve been made and have been suggested.... they went with this?

[weak valley]

This needs to be a spray

[rapid stream]

Team wipes should have penalty please don’t go through with this change

[hearty delta]

light nerfs when
playing against even mid skilled light is struggle for life, and theres no reason to enjoy game when u matchmaked with light 3stacks using like throwing knives

[brazen fox]

That would be amazing. Like a POG kinda emote after a cash out 😭

[last swift]

I have a 50/50 chance of my casual TA games ever even starting. Please implement a harsher punishment for those who leave the game. It’s mad annoying and just a waste of time waiting for matchmaking to start a new one.

[hushed sand]

Why do you hate the players that loved your game? Bring back The Finals. This isn't it.

[gritty owl]

more cash for kills and no penalty for team wipes is gonna turn this game into yet another cod. no incentive for a team to stay alive after cashout, no chance for 2./3. place to push for a team wipe and get a better placement

[smoky basin]

This gonna be cod unfortunately

[pulsar quarry]

All the changes do not sound bad at all but the no loss on wipes is just crazy not gonna lie boys

[lime lichen]

tks+stun gun is aids and needs patched asap

[cursive lotus]

Wizard outfit 🧙‍♂️

[mild mango]

embark time to listen to your community for your game is gonna bleed out

[feral thicket]

My lord sledge needs some sort of counter besides just ranged I wanna have fun using dual blades but I just can’t

[rapid stream]

Dual blades block sledge pretty sure

[hybrid dock]

Spawns still aren’t fixed 3 seasons into the game

No enemy audio for footsteps 3 seasons into the game

And not a care in the world for the devs who have already made their money 3 seasons into another “live service” game

[pulsar tide]

i feel like removing the cashout loss will actually help more. i thought the same thing when i first read it but.
yeah they are removing one layer of strategy but at the same time was it a good strat? more often then not i could win a game cause the top team happened to die to another. so for a ranked mode how does this show any kind of skilled play on my part?
i get i could always go after the top team to try and wipe them but that still goes against what you need to do at thats getting cashouts.
spending your time hunting down the top team just puts you at even more of a disadvantage. with spending time not getting cashouts and going for kills that are not even be worth it unless you wipe the whole team.
idk in short it makes it more about earning your score rather then trying to get a 30% score reduction on another team.

it also makes having a light on the team not be such a liability and with the extra money on kills they can actually play a part in winning the game.
cuz im sure we've all seen the light with 18 kills still lose cuz they happened to die at the wrong time. does it make them a bad player tho? i dont think so. i think the cashout environment is what made lights not great. cuz look at ranked TA that shits full of em now.

[night topaz]

hello @rare spear . I just wanted to thank you for the nice talk at the twitchcon. You and the others where so nice and kind. I glad to met you guys and to learn more about the game .and also i really love the red panda emote its so cute. have a nice day or night. :)

[grizzled hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/yap-gif-13220883897444744573

[upper citrus]

So rewarding teams for getting kills by lowering the score of other players is good

But rewarding kills by giving cash is not?

[burnt notch]

$3 😂

[hard bridge]

make it so I don't get requeued with people i played with last round

[gritty owl]

this would be an easy fix by rewarding the team that did the teamwipe and penalizing the team that got wiped

[feral shell]

Armchair game developers raging over changes they haven’t even played never gets old. Just shut up and play the changes and see how it goes first. They already said they’re testing things out (which was the entire point of WT). Let them test and give constructive feedback.

[lament gazelle]

please make a mode where you can cashout over 1 million cash a game it would be cool to see those numbers

[echo urchin]

Anyone saying that throwing knives are balanced is either an idiot or a liar.

[swift gust]

If Terminal Attack is going to be the permanent Competitive mode then at least devs should focus on balancing it more properly. Right now its all about Light. Light class is beyond broken in Ranked TA. Giving a free Hit Scan Sniper every round where we cant even regain health makes absolutely zero sense. Every weapon with Unfair burst damage, they can simply poke every other player without losing too much HP. 99% of Ruby players are only Light players. This alone should be enough to prove that Light class is unfair and requires little to no effort to rank up

[next mortar]

Hey the patch notes said it fixed the menu freezing bug, but it is not fixed at all. The game freezes constantly and still crashes A LOT. Just earlier I was in Oscar's Lobby, and the game crashed on the loading screen. A LOT of freezing and crashing on current patch, would be a nice QOL to see that actually fixed/improved! Thanks!

[quick coyote]

More ''Interesting and different'' map variations for maps like SYS$HORIZON, like gravity cubes laying around the map or gateways, or just some parts of the floor having a void.
Not much stuff to offer with just making it darker.
Maps like Las Vegas Sandstorm or Tripwires made it feel so much different and unique.

keep team wipe cash loss !!

[feral thicket]

There is no point if each swing does 75 damage anyways

[tribal spoke]

Praying for dual blade buffs/fixes tomorrow 🙏

[pulsar tide]

yeah honestly split it 50-50. so the team that gets wiped loses 20% while the team that wipes them gains 20% of thier cash so not such a huge loss for wipeing but can definatly put you closer to the top for getting the teamwipe. or it could even just be a set amount.
my only issue with that is who is determined to get the teamwipe if multiple teams get the kills? i guess just split the rewards between whichever teams got the kills.
kind of also solves @shy hearth problem with it being too free to push teams too stay in the lead with no risk and kinda helps from abusing team wipes.
@feral shellthis is more speculation then anything. we havent played it yet and there is no real ranked cashout just WT so even data from that wont be too accurate. but at the same time do you need to stick your hand in crap to know its crap? we're allowed to predict how things will go.

@tribal spokehell yeah DB need a buff badly. ive only seen masochist using these things.

[ivory swallow]

Thank you very much for having this communication channel. I wanted to contribute and comment as honestly as possible on certain things. I will address the competitive model, the changes in the game's pace, and how it could improve.

[edgy lotus]

readd the ability to reroll dailies, but only after they're completed, so that you can grind more XP

[mild grail]

Wizard skin?

[mortal notch]

Dual blades aim assist need a larger pounce range to actually make it viable to chase ppl

[warm basalt]

display premade groups in game and social UI

[quick coyote]

I love the new changes to Bank It, but the matchmaking is really weird now. I’ve been thrown into matches less than 60 seconds away from being a losing game, but when two of my teammates leave in the first quarter im subjected to being shit on for the rest of the match… Is a priority system for games that need extra players that also aren’t already ending possible?

[reef pelican]

Can we not get suspended and unable to reconnect to the game when the game crashes on us? It's double-unfair. It says I abandoned the game. I want to reconnect, just let me.

[cerulean birch]

i have no idea why people complain about crashes when i have it happen like once every 20 hours

[civic orchid]

stuck stuck and stuck in loading screen in rank very funny game

[quick coyote]

I think we should keep the game cashout like it is;
But we should win the money as long we keep the cashbox; Like every sec we win some money 🙂
The fact that 30% will be given to put the box is a good change

[paper stream]

Cashout needed one single change - money earning according to the time the cashout belonged to your team. Embark doesn't want to make this game good...

[quick coyote]

Heavy is the only class without weapons having a sight.
Give M60 an optic. 🗣️
Or a new weapon with an optic? 👉 👈

[teal bear]

BIG W FOR EMBARK

[nocturne badger]

cashout suggestion: it's still 1k or 2k for starting a cashout, then every 10/20 seconds you earn like 10% for holding the point, then at the cashout you earn the remaining 50%, this could prevent 3rd parting

[wispy vault]

one question: will there be TA and WT ranked next season? -> i hope there will be ranked ta too

[wheat gyro]

Suggestion for the game in general: QOL and easy to implement from a technical standpoint.
Progression skins are overlays.

For example if you own a specific gun changing skin that influences the guns geometry but you want to apply for example the lvl 6 progression skill onto it, you could do that

[charred kite]

i dont think ive played a full game without seeing the server problem icon, the game feels so jittery almost all the time. anyone else?

[warm island]

why tf does embark suddenly think deaths is not an important stat, and dying shouldnt be punished, its only one of the biggest game deciding factors in every game mode

[rapid stream]

Piss diamond ak

[quartz shell]

winch claw should need more skill

[frosty moss]

this is why ruby ranks hate this guy

[quick coyote]

fix performance :(

[stark notch]

You know gaming has gone down hill if that's an acceptable bar for you. "Oh crashing once every 20 hours is okay no problem here"

@dagingabreadman.#0000 that's more than what a game should do lmfao
Also you can't speak for everyone else. Just because YOU only crashed once doesn't mean everyone is crashing only once...

[cerulean birch]

once every 20 hours of gameplay, so far i've crashed 1-2 times and i have 29 hours

[dusk forum]

having 80% of any game consist of lights is not normal. gut them already.
Make them not being able to dash 3 times in a row
Put throwing knives to their release state.
Give Mp5 Scar\Lewis treatment (make it feel like shit to shoot), it has literally 0 recoil
make vanishing grenade cd longer.

[charred kite]

nerf the hell out of medium turrets before doing any of that

[cursive lotus]

Yes

[restive scaffold]

When are you'll gonna take care of all the fat, pimple faced, stinky nerds cheating in your game?

[white crater]

Re: proposed changes to Cashout
.
Source: Cypress#3247. Thank you Cypress for summarizing the livestream. The following is my commentary on the proposed changes, annotated inside code blocks.
Weapon Changes:

• 93R Buff
  ✅ Good, the 93R needed this.
  Cashout:
• $200 -> $500 for eliminations
  ✅ Good. Increasing the value of securing kills is a huge incentive for both being aggressive but also not dying. Wiping a team will give $1.5k now instead of $600. This will make deciding which objectives to push more interesting, especially when considering positions on the cashboard.
• 30% value of a cashbox granted to a team when they put vault into cashbox.
  ✅ Dope change. I think this is fundamentally enough to improve the game with just this. I love this.

Example values for dunks/completions:
10k Vault - 3k / 7k
15k Vault - 4.5k / 10.5k
22k Vault - 6.6k / 15.4k
This is actually very interesting because now imagine this common scenario: you push the 10k vault, secure a teamwipe, and complete then dunk a 15k vault and lose it. In the past you would've been at 12.6k, but post-rework you're at 16k— above what someone used to get for just straight up stealing a 15k vault!

• Changing all starting vault locations
  ✅ Okay, keep it fresh. Maybe instead just add these as additional vault locations, and not remove the previous ones? Adds variety? Either way, cool.
  - Removing all cash loss penalty on team wipes
  ❌ No. Bad change. This removes the dynamic of making sure you secure the team wipe when fighting. This also removes strategies like targeting the #1 team to drop them down the cashboard so you can bump up. If anything maybe reduce the penalty from 33% to 10% or 15%.
  Terminal Attack:
• Half-time doesn't need to reload into a loading screen
• Health Amount Regen based on contestant (Light: 100, Medium: 125, Heavy: 150)
  🌀 I literally couldn't care less about TA.
  Map Fix:
• Kyoto Stairs being updated Next week update.
  O.K.
Final note: I played ranked heavily to Diamond in season 1, but fell off during season 2. I love this game and want it to thrive, but will not return unless fundamental changes are made. Embark's decisions for Season 3 dissuaded me from returning. I really hope Season 4 is a refocus on this game's strengths.

[violet elbow]

When are you'll gonna take care of all the fat, pimple faced, stinky nerds cheating in your game?

[frosty moss]

Theres anticheat no way there can be cheaters

[burnt notch]

Vicc Valentine’s idea is pretty sigma

[rough herald]

Skibity Skrrrt ♿

[wide spindle]

About Oscar's livestream

Weapon Changes:
93R Buff
✅ PERFECT, it was easily one of the least used guns for light.

Cashout:
$200 -> $500 for eliminations
✅ Good. This will increase enemy aggression and make people not avoid fights.

30% value of a cashbox granted to a team when they put vault into cashbox.
✅ Great change, will make people steal cashouts and fight more over it instead of just letting enemies put the cashbox.

Example values for dunks/completions:
10k Vault - 3k / 7k
15k Vault - 4.5k / 10.5k
22k Vault - 6.6k / 15.4k
❌ At the same time this helps a lot it also punishes teams on first/second place because someone placing a cashbox can get enough money to pass them if they deposit a 22k vault.

Changing all starting vault locations
✅ I would say to just add more and increase randomness, but this is also good because it becomes totally unpredicable now.

Removing all cash loss penalty on team wipes

❌ Worst change in this patch, this not only removes all reason to hunt down enemies to wipe and possibly will make people only camp their statues. My take would be reducing cash loss from 30% to 10%.

Terminal Attack:
Half-time doesn't need to reload into a loading screen.
✅Good, this often also changed the server location and increased ping, but please add US East and US West as separate regions

Health Amount Regen based on contestant (Light: 100, Medium: 125, Heavy: 150)
✅ This makes playing heavy/medium more usable, as they won't get 1 shot by multiple weapons other players could use. (Bow, Sniper, RPG for heavy)

[indigo vine]

Me and my squad are some of the few that enjoy ranked TA I guess. I hope they keep a ranked version of this mode, but I don’t see why it needs to be a single mode for ranked each season.

[grim patrol]

Remove Sniper.

[tribal spoke]

Yeah, it could use more reach, but dont increase the aim assist

[topaz smelt]

solid take. Love the upcoming changes but do not think removing cash loss on team wipes is a good idea.

[olive shell]

Why don’t they just do 50% of the cash is earned whilst you hold the cashout. I.e you get cash trickling in as you hold it up to 50% of the cash box value. Then 50% is awarded to whoever is still holding it at the end. Whilst it doesn’t stop third party, it does reward you for fighting back and prolonging the fight for as long as possible.

[fast pebble]

It should be a percentage of how long you've held the cash out, with a multiplier of 1.25x if you're the one who holds it at the end. This will incentivize holding the cash out for longer, as well as keeping it at the end and starting it. Each team that holds it gets a percentage of the cash, but only the ones that hold it at the end get the multiplier.

[daring fossil]

since the kyoto stairs are getting fixed apparently next week, can the stairs on skyway stadium all be clipped off? like 95% of the outdoor stairs on skyway act as individual stairs instead of ramps when trying to place a bounce pad like all of the stair cases on every other map. I don't know if the term "clipped/clipping" means anything to you, I believe it originated from goldsrc (half life/counter-strike) where stairs were "clipped" using clip-brushes to appear as stairs, but act as ramps https://nodraw.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Playerclipped-stairs.jpg

[wheat tide]

bringing this up again PLEASE optimize because i cant even run the game on pc anymore

[rough herald]

Low Gravity event Fix Suggestion

**Note: **

• so whats bad about low grav? as a movement player i find low grav very annoying, yeah sure it make hard jump easier and impossible jump now possible but in combat it make jumping a death wish as it make you a very easy target when falling.
  (i have so many clip of me beaming people who use jump pad in low grav)
• yeah sure thats what it suppose to do but it can be interesting without being annoying

Suggestion:

• Remove it (boring)
• Do nothing (lame)
• Let me control how fast i fall by pressing the crouch button so jumping is now viable, and it make fight more interesting thx to more option of outplaying enemy gamer (pls?)

@quick coyote nope

[jagged cedar]

huh???????

[delicate marlin]

game crashed twice in 30 mins. Long load time. This game is unplayable. Please fix this is one of the better shooters

[crystal umbra]

The new changes I have seen seem great all around. I was almost about to complain about the removal of team wipe Money loss but when I think about it, as long as we still have a respawn penalty for a team wipe I don't think that's such a bad change.

Having team mates alive was never about trying to keep the dollar amounts as high as possible, that's just something we pay attention to at the end of the rounds anyways, so I'm fine with that. (It also allows us to see larger dollar amounts at the end of the match) Which is always nice.

OH WAIT. I actually really like the change that introduces cash rewards for kills. That indirectly makes the 3x Defib strat slightly less effective.

I like this more the more I think about it 🤔

[drifting pawn]

no, more like: the top team can just push the last couple of cashouts worry-free and wipe repeatedly (2-4 times, easily) without any risk at all

[glacial knot]

So much cheaters again , time for ban wave . Come on guys first ban perm ban not one week. Cheater will never stop cheating . So one week doesnt make sense

[scarlet goblet]

for me it was not the game crashing but obs crashing while I'm only playing the finals. I Had 7+ crashes while streaming

[last swift]

Matchmaking rework please🙏. Most matchmaking needs changed but especially since ranked matchmaking sucks. Why would I get put in a lobby with 4 unranked people when the entire other team is ranked? Split the unranked people up or something

[dawn valley]

Have an incremental earn rate while the cash is being deposited. Maybe 20% up front, 30% trickle, and 50% cashout. Bring back wipe penalty, but just slightly smaller than before. Maybe toy with a steal delaying the 0-second cashout for that last jab at the 50%.

[astral viper]

Bows and throwing knives have no hipfire bloom. You can make your movement as janky as possible and still retain perfect accuracy.

I don't think bunny hopping is the issue, but the no hipfire bloom on certain high damage weapons is pretty bad design.

[daring fossil]

throwing knives actually disperse when moving compared to standing still, and it's worse ten-fold when jumping or sliding.

[jagged cedar]

yeah, I think tk needs a downside to compensate for it but it shouldnt get bloom. Bow has movement penalties when pulling back iirc so ion think its really a huge issue. Tho saying bhoping is the issue is really funny considering bhopping slows your movement in this game 💀

[edgy urchin]

day 25 and 26 of asking embark to balance the finals!

[upper citrus]

The throwing knives have insane bloom while in air

[fading plover]

We have frog and a bunny, we should get a Duck onesie!

[rotund sluice]

Feeding kills gives other teams more money. And a triple medium defib team can feed 6+ kills before a squad wipe occurs.

While it’s not as big a money diff as the other team losing 30%, it should add up. Worst case they tweak the numbers to make more sense. Everyone is acting like this is the permanent change when it’s just a rough draft

[burnt notch]

It’s the same case with when they were planning to axe Bank It, but then didn’t after we protested it.
If we just do the same with the team wipe percentage, they’ll be sure to change something about it.

[quick coyote]

yeah my friend gets crashes every other game but thankfully only at the start of the match its very strsnge

[somber snow]

Why does hitting the voice chat join/leave hotkey while typing in chat cause you to join/leave voice chat? Shouldn't that be disabled if you're typing?

[buoyant mural]

changes look really good however ot losing cash for wipes does the opposite of discourage third partying. teams with cash will push the last boxes like crazy probably but we will see

[delicate marlin]

yep just updated graphics card to see if it fixed it. I played for like 10 mins and it crashed. Im going to give up on this game until they fix crashing. Shame

[daring fossil]

its probably your cpu, 13/14th gen I9?

[raw moss]

Embark needs to make merch. Ospuze as drinks, cash box alarm clocks(saw em on Reddit, cool shit), merch and clothing based off stuff in game (I would absolutely wear the hoodie jacket around), little building block kits with action figures so you can make stuff (like imagine a little kit of some suspended platforms, a cashout and a couple teams with pieces you can put together in different ways like legos, or just outright LEGO collabs), toys or dart guns based off the game stuff, etc. there’s so much potential to really lean into the whole virtual gameshow aspect of this game, embark should start making merch to do that.

[regal salmon]

I'm Gold 1 in World Tour, and was really looking forward to grinding it hard again once Emerald dropped, but these balance changes are absolute ass. To the degree I doubt i'll play Cashout again.

It's just going to be a mindless kill-fest now. All strategy gone. No need to pay any attention to what other teams are doing, or target specific teams either. Just dumbed the mode down into the ground for the benefit of the sweats and streamers.

But i'm also kinda happy as hopefully that takes all the idiot Lights out of Quick Cash (objectively the best mode) and dumps them in Cashout instead as a kind of ADHD quarantine.

[delicate yoke]

REMOVE THE FOCKING THROWING KNIVES WHAT THE FOCK

[sturdy heron]

fr same people day in and day out, iits shameful. Half of them don't even show up on the leaderboards but their ranks show in-match, from bronze-ruby

[sharp belfry]

I'm out of the loop, they announce some changes?

[rose vortex]

We can all agree removing any and all penalties for team wiping is a bad choice right? If you play poorly or even just not as good as the team you are fighting, they should be rewarded and you should be punished. Please keep this game competitive! We have so many casual game modes, just keep the staple competitive game mode competitive PLEASE!

[elder folio]

ye a livestream by oscar. more specifically, Tomorrow's patch 'leaked' notes | Cashout changes!

THE FINALS Patch 3.6.0 patch notes, live tomorrow;

Changes to Cashout

Money earnt from eliminations upped from $200 to $500.
30% of the value of a cashbox will be granted to the team when they put the box into the cashout station. Vault worth 10k put into cashout station grants you 3k. 7k will be what you compete for earning holding the cashout.
Changing spawn logic and location for all vaults at the START of the match to try avoid third party from spawn.
Removing ALL cash loss penalties on team wipe. Intended change here is to combat the 'helpless' feeling of a long fight and losing it to a third party.

Changes to Terminal Attack and Ranked Terminal Attack

QOL, Ranked TA at half time will not put you into a loading screen. Big time saver.
Changing health amounts that you can regen to based on the contestant. This is because Light is too dominant in TA with poke damage, so they wanted to adjust the max regen.

Light: 100 max HP regen

Medium: 125 max HP regen

Heavy: 150 max HP regen

Misc:

93R (light burst pistol) small buff - "We're starting off with some changes to how the weapon behaves, without touching damage numbers etc."
Kyoto stair hitbox being fixed (next week, not tomorrow - thanks to u/R18Jura_ for pointing this out!)

Embark have heard loud and clear that Ranked Terminal Attack isn't everyone's favourite mode to play in ranked. They can't remove ranked in the middle of the ranked season as people have progressed and they don't want to invalidate their grinding. At the start of Season 4 there will be a competitive experience for Cashout.

Disclaimer - these are experiemental changes that Embark believe are good, however they want to see how the community reacts and give feedback.

WIll update if we hear any more later in the stream!

[scarlet goblet]

Nope, you should first try it and then give an opinion, simple. The update is not even out yet 🙄

[analog spire]

im confused why after every update there is the game gets more laggy

[quick coyote]

Loading screen freeze error is that relevant to anyone?

[tidal lake]

Can we ban sniper and rain?

[real scroll]

throwing knives need to have a reload so they are less spammy

[quick coyote]

Hope the game dies because of the awful ranked change. Made the game unplayable for competitive players who support your game for 100+ days.

[harsh iron]

https://tenor.com/view/key-get-stand-up-parzival-ready-player-one-gif-11155399

[jade inlet]

100k diff in ranked is ridiculous, that just shouldn't be allowed

[static wolf]

devs have tried to fix and yet we cant enjoy a dying game because of persistent bugs

[daring fossil]

you guys need to step up the dailies, so many people complain that battlepass and progression is slow which it isn't (except for level 6 weapon skins which is still outrageous) but I literally just finished all 5 dailies in a single match and I didn't even look at or was going for a single one.

[burnt notch]

PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE CASH DEDUCTION FROM TEAM WIPES
It’s only gonna incentivize not defending ur own cashout and instead leaven to either kill-farm other players and/or steal another cashout with no punishment for squad wiping besides losing ur original cashout (which can just be stolen back).

I’d suggest simply reducing the cash deduction to 20 or 10%. This would soften the punishment for bad plays while also keeping in the risky-strategic element of deciding whether or not to engage a team.

[young hamlet]

Sticker change

1. When I deploy a mine, keep the sticker on it. It disappears when u throw it
2. Sticker on the riot shield should be facing the enemy, to assert my dominance
3. Allow stickers on Turret and APS

[iron berry]

turrets to have little animal skins, it would be animals with like a machine gun or somethin

[cold pilot]

**thats why no one wants to play this ||dog sht ||game

fkin ||dog sht ||troller in whole game all my team8s
cheater always be your against
LMFFAOOO**

@crisp bobcat ESP cheater no skill

[tacit dock]

Are the next set of pro circuit challenges out yet?

[fading sinew]

were the new changes to cashout today?

[crisp bobcat]

Rough teammates - but if those kids are cheating and you still got 11 their cheats are pretty bad 😂

[dry kiln]

"Bank It" game mode desperately needs team wipes reinstated. Without team wipes, cash boxes are constantly camped by teams, reducing competitive integrity. The absence of team wipes, despite shorter respawn times, results in chaotic gameplay with everyone active simultaneously. This diminishes strategic depth and player engagement and defeats the purpose of revives, as players are immediately overwhelmed by the continuous presence of opponents.

Previously, team wipes encouraged dynamic, strategic battles at cashouts, where teams collaborated to prevent opponents from banking their coins. Reinstating team wipes would revive this crucial element, making gameplay more fluid and exciting. The current setup, without team wipes, is static and predictable, stripping away the game's essential tactical challenges. To restore "Bank It's" appeal, team wipes must be brought back.

[young hamlet]

Sponsor cameo events:
VAIYA cameo: Security protocol
Everyone's location is pinged once every 5 seconds for a minute, courtesy of VAIYA
Enigmo cameo: Server timeout
All damage and intractable are paused for 30 seconds
Ospuze cameo: All power, no sugar
Increased reload and movement speeds for a minute
Holtow cameo: Hardware Disruption
Everyone's VR headsets are glitched, causing UI to become inaccurate for 45 seconds
Volpe cameo: Insurance policy
All damage to the areana is undone
CNS: sys%denialofservice
All gadgets are disabled for 45 seconds, forcing contestants to rely on their skill

[drowsy storm]

add death comms

[winged glacier]

getting tased should add a weapon sway the player that was tased and they should have to fight to stay on target

[echo urchin]

• Upon interacting with a Vault, the team is rewarded with $1,000.

  • Kills Required to Match: 2

• After depositing the Cash Box into a Cashout Station, the team will be rewarded with 30%

  • $3,000
    • KRM: 6
  • $4,500
    • KRM: 9
  • $6,600
    • KRM: 13.2, so, 14

• The first two Vaults in the arena are worth $10,000 each and subsequent Vaults are worth $15,000 each. Overtime Vaults (Vault 5 and 6) are worth $22,000 each.

  • Completing the cashout nets
    • $7,000
      • KRM: 14
    • $10,500
      • KRM: 21
    • $15,400
      • KRM: 30.8, so, 31

Scenario A: complete 3 vaults and 3 cashouts. No kills.

• Total = $50,000
• KRM: 100
  • 100/3 = 33.333 each

Scenario B: complete 3 vaults, Start 3 cashouts. No kills.

• Total = $17,100
• KRM: 34.2, so, 35.
  • 35/3 = 11.667 each

Scenario C: Complete 3 cashouts. No vaults. No cashout starts. No kills.

• Total = $32,900

  • KRM: 66
    • 22 each

• The final round features only two teams in a single match. The rules for this last match follow the Quick Cash format, and the first team to reach $20,000 wins.

  • $20k KRM: 40
    • 13.3 each

[rose vortex]

I repectfuly disagree.

[sonic spoke]

💯% agree

[crystal umbra]

Lol I have been playing cashout world tour this whole time and I don't even notice that the team was getting money for eliminations...

Upping the elimination reward was a good move.

[oblique sand]

these are good, I think ranked should be multiple modes not just one mode

[fathom glacier]

can we please do something about the lights man they are ruining this game.

[verbal kayak]

Can we look at damage dropoff for medium weapons? The fact that I can be effectively pressured by a medium with a scar from halfway across the map as a sniper is incredible. And on that note, server lag/tick rate makes it borderline impossible to hit people mid air. They are never actually where they look like they are on the server. Try hitting anyone that just took a jump pad, I guarantee you will miss more than one shot despite the cursor being on them.

[digital shoal]

I double 💯% agree.

[coral mason]

There definitely shouldn’t be a penalty for leaving if someone completely abandons the game in world tour why should I be punished for leaving the game when I’m the only one left?!

[crisp heart]

please add a hud safezone please and thank you !!!!

[hardy bridge]

changes havent even dropped yet chill

[raw moss]

I’ve been playing almost exclusively bankout and this just hasn’t been happening. Instead what I see is a massive brawl that happens at one point on the map that is just pure chaos and an absolute blast to be a part of. People used to camp cashouts a ton, rarely anymore

[marble creek]

Hot take- powershift is a terribly designed gamemode.

All this gamemode does is promote snipers and explosive spam. You can't stay on a platform that is actively targeted by one or both of these players, and yet the entire objective is exactly that. Dome shield is the only possible solution but if nobody runs it, or the person is dead, good luck surviving the onslaught of grenades, rpgs, and sniper shots.

I want to enjoy this game mode, I do... but every match is the same thing, explosions and snipers, all match, every match... it gets repetitive and obnoxious honestly

[sonic spoke]

It also promotes slamming, charging and hammering! Heavy smash! Heavy good!

[round lagoon]

For the love of god fix the full screen resolution bug, it makes the game unplayable

[hardy bridge]

pls add better crosshairs

[shadow rune]

How about 50 points for a full win of a WT match, 15-15-20, and give us a split (give out rewards and reset the leaderboard) at the half of the season?

[shy smelt]

Matchmaking in this game is absolutely busted. I am so sick and god damn tired of it. World Tour is not fun anymore. Bring back single round cashout and for the love of god fix ragequitting.

The punishments are not tuned correctly. If your internet drops out, it will ban you immediately but if your entire team leaves then you just have to sit there and take it until the game says you can forfeit without penalty. If you leave before then, even though they intentionally clicked "Leave Game" and then alt + f4'd out--something the game should be able to tell apart from a disconnect--the game says you're the ragequitter and bans you instead of them,

I got banned again for this exact reason, twice in a row. For half an hour this time. My teammates all left because they were absolutely sucking and because this game is biased towards ragequitters for some reason it didn't autoabandon after half an entire round so I was forced to either play the game alone or abandon by myself, I was going to lose either way.

This is not a good competitive experience. I have seen devs with far less experience create much better systems. Absolutely unacceptable, this has been going on for almost a year and getting worse and worse and something has to be done about it or else Season 4 is going to be an absolute disaster.

Even just something small like making the "Leave Game" button abandon a match immediately, since it's clearly a deliberate act and not something you can do on accident, would go a long long way to improving this. There is no point in removing penalties from people who leave with an incomplete team if the game doesn't even count it as a genuine disconnect until they're already completely screwed.

[dusky apex]

I spawned in without a gun (loadout switching mid round didnt fix it)

[umbral dock]

return ranked cashout

[brisk cape]

is emerald being added?

[slate yew]

stop banning me from playing when my game crashes. fix ur game. its the only one on my system that frequently crashes.

[celest fjord]

Matchmaking in ranked terminal attack is terrible. Just played 8 games in a row where my teammates were collectively a much lower score than our opponents. I lost all 8 games, and our team only won more than 2 rounds in 2 of those 8 games.

[untold locust]

The MGL32(worst gun in the game) got the least amount of AOE increase after recent patch.
.25 meter compared to rpg 1 meter increase.
Thus indirectly nerfing it (AND it's one of the most situational weapons in the game)
On top of that it hasn't been touched since Season 1.5.5 patch🤐

[upbeat ore]

I’d like a cute little princess outfit. Please.

[twin cedar]

PUH-LEASE

[drowsy vector]

Don’t want to be complaining over nothing, so let’s see. But I’m not sure if not losing money with a team wipe is beneficial to the thrill of the game (World Tour). That’s THE part that makes the game more exciting. But again, let’s see. I’m wondering though, will you turn this decision back if not liked by the community? Or will you stick with it no matter what?

[dusky apex]

nerf heavy....genuinely broken

[robust prawn]

WHERES MY GODDAMN M60 REVERT BRUCE?!

[shadow rune]

probably

[quick coyote]

CASHOUT CHANGES LEAKED: Team elim penalty 30% to 0%
Agreed, fight to team eliminate is good, punishes the “good” players over “bad”. Allows come backs & promotes not running around aimlessly. One of the things that separated cashout from quick cash

[upbeat ore]

I want to be a fairy.

[quick coyote]

please fix performance and crashes

[simple parrot]

Imagine if they had proximity chat or lobbies like old halo. The amount of trash talking would be hilarious. Also being able to vote on maps would be neat

[plain kiln]

I been sugesting this for ever, full medium teams can be very annoying to vs, I propose shared defib cooldown between medium, would balance nicely and also make people use other abilities in a stack

[wide venture]

These are experimental changes. If it doesn't work out, we'll try something else

[mild pond]

would be pretty cool if the unique eyes (reptile, blue glow, terminator etc) were visible when using special face skins (mannequin, ariad, anime etc)

[high smelt]

as someone who likes melee, turrets are a pain in the ass to get rid of! something like a melee multiplier to turrets, turret damage fall off or a gadget that can at least stop it over long range would be awesome

[copper quail]

That's what the data reshaper is for

[violet elbow]

When are you gonna take care of all the fat, pimple faced, stinky nerds cheating in your game?

[stray rampart]

And that's fine. But maybe put them on a test build and have some good players testing it out instead of throwing them at us to test (considering most people don't even know the pacing of the game), weapons and gadgets i can understand but entire mode changes is a bit too much

[worn pine]

Is there a purpose to having both Eliminations and Assists show on Tab?

I feel like in a game like this, Assists aren't really needed at all. You can get an Assist with a single bullet, the exact same way you can grab an Elimination with a single bullet, or you can get an Assist by doing 99% of the damage, same as a Elimination. They are identical, and I just don't really see the point in having both Eliminations and Assists show up.

I don't know what it is, but it is fairly satisfying to have a relatively high Elimination count, but Assists just don't give that same vibe, so even though you got like 14 Assists, the 2 Eliminations just makes you feel like you did a horrible job that game, despite them basically counting up to a total of 16 Eliminations.

I feel like just grouping them up to count as a Elimination could help with lessening the amount of information given in game, simply one less statistic to look at, much like in say for example Overwatch where it all counts as an Elimination. Of course this is just a tiny 'quality of life' thing, and not important what so ever, and other things take priority, but just thought I'd bring it up.

[wide venture]

We have tested internally and feel good about the changes, but we can never be 100% sure before we go live.

[bitter aspen]

if you are going to remove team wipes, wouldn't it make sense to remove the token system as well and lower the respawn timer

[quick coyote]

We already have this, it’s called quick cash. Pls keep team elim penalty, which gives purpose to respawn timer / respawn coins; and differentiates it from cashout and quick cash

[drowsy vector]

You probably already thought about this, but make sure to mention this in the upcoming patch notes please so we don’t get another negativity bomb. Truly hope this game gets more popular! I’m grinding WT with love

[violet socket]

Opinion on Cash Out Team Wipe Penalty
This is my personal opinion on team respawn and respawn coin usage

1. Increasing the number of coins given in one round
2. When a player is killed, a 'continue?' message appears on the player's statue. Start the countdown with a hologram (like an arcade)
3. Coins can be used immediately (or after a short period of time), and the player is revived on the spot like the current defibrillator effect.
4. Players who have used up all their coins must wait for their team to be wiped out.
5. Respawn coins are recharged with a penalty of losing money when the team is wiped out.

The opinion that it would be easier to use respawn coins came from the desire for an arcade concept.
And I hope there is some connection between team wipe penalty and respawn coins.
(Just think about it, you lost money due to team wipe penalty, but gained respawn coins!)

[potent solar]

L evasive dash change already.. wow

[spice stag]

genuinely insane nerf lol

[quick coyote]

That's what happens when the game is balanced around casual shitters. First they whine about cloak till it's nerfed to the ground and now dash, with the grapple trash since release.

The only balance change was nerfing light, heavy remains the best as it always has been.

Yall seriously can't balance for shit.

@hard badger aim better, can't wait to see you crying few days later about dash.

[hard badger]

cry more @quick coyote Lol get bettah without ure dash noob! Its not my aim its getting dizzy with all that dashing lmao

[lime lichen]

It's official, the balance team needs fired, no tk nerf? No charge nerf? No RPG nerf? Wtf are you all doing? The devs over balancing are a joke.

[stark notch]

'insane'

[winter wyvern]

RPG does more damage to self then it does to others for christ sake.

And hell keep nerfing lights fuck it. That class gotta burn down ongod. I hope it keeps getting the nerfs it needs.

370 damage with the fucking pistol compared to 140 damage on the m70 LMG. A fucking pistol does more damage than an LMG in same time? Fuck off. Can't even get me started on the throwing knives they all fucking use it. Starting smg is nuts too. Bow is incredible. Sword. And let's not forget the occasional fucking rat with a sniper miles away that sits there until the entire structure they are on is demolished and brought down. Then the next. Then the next.

They are such. An annoying. Fucking. Class. If it ain't flamethrower or a couple melee hits then they live every single time. They dash or grapple miles away without issue if they get shot once or hit a single time. I pray they go invisible so I can actually stay and punish and actually kill one bc they at least don't have their god awful to deal with mobility.

And don't tell me 90 percent of the time 1v1 heavy wins. That's the case with flamethrower only. If the light gets a second ahead of you and catches you off guard in that much time alone its over. They can just dump the mag or ammo of any kind and its over. Heavy my ass it gets melted every fucking time.

RPG doesn't one shot! Shields don't do shit! Just dash around it in an instant! And I just said lmgs lose to the pistol alone.

[sharp jasper]

thank god for light dash nerf shits annoying asf

[strong escarp]

93R's problem was never its accuracy. Its problem is that it's a slow-firing peashooter that gets dumpstered by literally every other Light weapon in terms of killing speed.

[fiery osprey]

heavy wins a 1v1 with light 90% of the time if you can aim. both the lmgs have crazy high capacity and the rpg basically one shots them. Not to mention the 3 different types of shields on heavy. Light is not overpowered.

[silk cloud]

Dice please

[gloomy cave]

Imo a better change for lights would have been to make the final charge have a longer cd, punishing ppl who spam the dash w/o thinking and making it riskier to utilize it without a super heavy nerf

[mighty cedar]

Damn Embark, yet another medium nerf. Great Job.

[near nova]

EMBARK Please , just nerf Light class's dmg a little
Lights class gameplay too easy

[queen bane]

Still no dual blade buff. Rip

[daring geyser]

I'm asian server. Who always have at least 1 team off offline after 2 minutes match. Every single match at world tour.

[soft valley]

I really dont get why they need to nerf always the middle charackter. That is something im really said about it man. Shit on that light thing. Medium just getting nerf after nerf. And then his heal beam ? Oh man rip.

[jagged cedar]

Balancing around casual gameplay is fucking horrible for this game and it's insane that is still the balance approach after 3 seasons.

The most recent dash nerf is a good example of this. Cloak has always been meta in high levels. In cashout light barely has a spot in high level play when HMH is so powerful.

There are aspects of light that needed nerfs. Dash was not one of them 💀

Devs should be taking feedback from experienced players, not 0-7 Andy who can't hit more than 3 bullets per encounter. Nerfing the worst class in the game isn't going to change their kd

[cursive lotus]

It’s not the heal beam that needed to change 🤜 that’s just ppl getting mad at it…. Also wizard skin

[thorn socket]

heavy has like the weakest guns in the game

Also, the game could really do with some optimization updates. Thank you, Embark.

[stuck rock]

i think this is a good start for updates, acutall fixes that will affect gameplay for everyone. im hoping for some heavy gun buffs cuz its still weak af compared to other classes when you factor in kill time and mobility

@dusky portal healing beam was broken if you stacked it at all, even without cordnation. it could give a heavy 850 hp ez

[dusky portal]

Healing beam did not need a nerf at all

[raw moss]

Listen embark I love the grapple change, but please give it two charges already

[fading sinew]

Nerfed my healing beam. FML

[red arch]

as a M healer, heal beam nerf is a good idea especially considering how i can just dog walk a heavy and make him a raid boss for a whole fight

[cosmic cloud]

Could you make glitch traps colored by team? Or perhaps make friendly glitch traps glow blue or something? My (random) teammates will often destroy the traps I just placed.

[lime fable]

Can we buff rather than nerf, just buff weapons please and thank u

[violet elbow]

@rare spear there needs to be a serious revision of this game's balance approach, yall are actively killing playstyles that arent even viable against good Players to begin with, Dash already was not viable in high elo ANYTHING, and Charge, Winch, RPG or throwing Knives not being adressed is also just utterly insane.

[scenic magnet]

Where's my CL-40 buff? It's so bad right now, and it was already bad to begin with 😦

[potent solar]

yeah always went dash because it was more of a challenge than the invis cheese, but doubtful it will be viable in cashout at all now. so dont cry when we all go invis + knives, will gladly camp now with a sniper rather than get involved.. enjoy! ppl complaining about this need SBMM but having no ranked mode killed it. crazy

if you balance around casuals it you have no incentive to progress as mastery is almost immediate. so you switch from having a long term player base to a cyclic casual one that leaves as soon as they get the least bit bored, making you have to continuously convert new players and somehow hoping the current cycle sticks long enough for them to populate matches...will they get bored before they decide to get the battlepass?

I only stayed because of ranked and because with dash + my own more challenging loadouts it made the game faster, and more challenging + interesting than the other metas.

The other builds are significantly easier to get kills with but that got stale fast. Honestly if it weren't for ranked + light dash I would have left after the first week or two. You've combined all the skill levels into one pool now so of course lower levels are complaining... They don't know and haven't seen the diamond+ meta or skill set... I'll try it but man...................no good

[muted ice]

Why is healing getting nerfed again, mediums are suffering as is. Edit: Goo did not need a buff, at all. Mediums didn't need a nerf, and I feel like dash is not the thing to nerf on lights. throwing knives are still a bit of a problem, i don't think team wipe cash loss should be removed, the rest of the changes to cashout are fine. And while explosives are more manageable now thanks to the previous nerf, still pretty freakin strong.

[charred seal]

i dont know why cash loss penalties for teamwipe have been removed. It was a great concept which made pressure on the teams when to take a fight or not or when to coin when you have 1 team mate left. Plus $500 on each kill so if my team does 30 kill in total then we make around 15k easily which was only 6k before the update. I dont know y these changes were necessary.

[quick coyote]

if you use TAAU, the render scaling was off when i started the game
everything was blurrier, just slide the thing down and put it to 100% again to fix it

[rough herald]

its a mechanic that the dev want form the start but it never come into play so they make it so

(also HMM and HHM meta need to change anyways)

[bitter aspen]

the game seems to be catering to lights more so then any other class this season

throwing knives being able to spam at fast speed

the lh1 being easy to use while out performing the medium's ar

all light needed was to have a role which was recon, hence why wasnt being used

these changes have ruined the importance of light being about careful of position and stealth

[hard badger]

that shmeans, amazing how much damage a shotgun can do from a light. 3 deads from me are one shot (insta) kills from shotgun, not fun! A SHOTGUN SHOULDNT INSTA KILL A LIGHT PLAYER imo!

[teal minnow]

W PATCH EMBARK LOVE YOU

[latent charm]

Being a third-party game, the team elimination penalty is very annoying. And it is not very meritocratic since there can be 2 teams fighting each other, and a third arrive just when both are weakened, it is unfair that in addition to losing time and position you also lose money

[regal salmon]

100%.

Lights are just toxic players, and when they come on here and cry about nerfs, calling it "already the worst class" they're just liars. Who know they're lying too.

It isn't heavies or mids getting 23 kills every fucking match in my lobbies. It's lights. Every single time.

[vagrant pecan]

couldn’t agree more. this season has undone everything that made this game unique and a great experience. heavy is terrible and the only good thing it has is claw and sledge, both things that take away from the fps part of the game. sledge should be good but paired with claw it is undeniably the only way to play heavy and have fun without sweating profusely. never played light until season 3 when i was forced too to get high kills and not spend my entire time swinging a hammer or shielding for teammates. i finished last season 14th and find myself disgusted with how the competitive side of this game has been completely ignored

[violet vigil]

2x rpg charges, 70 damage each. 1:1 self damage, knocks yourself backwards when inflicting self damage. heavy becomes soldier from tf2

[vapid pine]

Removing team wipe penalty is bad. Now there is no risk involved and feels less startegic. Just go shoot and die. Whatever.

[main bone]

Hey I haven’t received my Dissun Capacitor dual swords yet and I’m wondering if I’ll ever get them, I got 11 kills for the community event so I “did my part”

[urban marsh]

You forgat about hammer been to power now, bring back weapons on heavy cause medium is really week rn,

[potent solar]

lmao what lobbies are you in? quickplay?

[flint jungle]

From what I see the development team only plays light.

$500 per death.
(With a player who uses aimbot there is no need to pick up boxes and the game is won.)

Don't lose money when your team dies. (There is no point in playing as a team if you can die and respawn with the same money)

You promote kills over team play after the new cashout update.
If you want to convert it to a TDM just remove the box and you're done.

Terminal Attack:
Light recovers 100 hp: 66% of his health
Medium recovers 125 hp: 50% of his health.
Heavy recovers 150: 42% of his health.

Is it so difficult to ensure that everyone has the same recovery percentage?

Later you will wonder why everyone plays light in terminal attack? Simply because that mode is unbalanced and only benefits the lights.

If a mode is good as a cashout and people like it, why would you change it?

[celest parcel]

Could there be a community event where we can win previously missed rewards?

[mighty cedar]

Embark really catering towards those COD kill-focused sweatlords that hardly know what "Teamplay" means with this one 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[jaunty cliff]

Did they fix ranked TA? I'm just thinking should I update the game or no

[compact trench]

Sometimes when i enter ranked i literally cant shoot, Happened just now and i tried to reconnect but i got banned. Ass game

[obtuse ravine]

Why no buffs on any other weapon but the 93R?

The light does not need more buffs, and HAS NOT needed them since the start of S3. The fcar is just AKM with less bullets and needs attention.

All the guns on heavy are under utilized now, for obvious reasons/ just not good anymore . I don’t get why light weapons keep getting buffs. While everything it has is way too powerful.

[swift horizon]

Make hoods and other customizations work with both of the the fox masks please.

[rough herald]

yo embark, thx for nerfing dash cooldown and not the spam cool down, i thought you were going to ruin the fun part of dash but thx god you didn't, i'll give more feedback about it when i try it out soon

also the nerf isn't as bad as people make it out to be, they just mad that their fav ability get nerf

[obtuse locust]

because other weapons can be used and u are able to get kills but the 93R Was beyond not usable in 1v1 u just got fked

[rare rock]

bring back cash loss on wipes, we managed to get last cashout but we still lost

[bitter aspen]

lmfao that quick

[jagged cedar]

Because 93r was the worst weapon in the game

Fcar is a SLIGHTLY worse akm sidegrade and is more or less fine

Sa12 is still one of the best guns in game, Lewis is still an fcar with 47 bullets, every other heavy weapon besides spear is fine as well

[stuck pumice]

i love this game sm thank you embark

[regal salmon]

It totally ruins the "gameshow" feel.

No more last-minute reversal of fortunes. No comeback stories. Just kill grinding.

[stoic drift]

So much for those light nerf rumors. Light came out unscathed and med gun nerfed for some reason. Light is unenjoyable to fight in its current state of being able to kill anyone from any range with very little ability to do anything about it. Throwing knives, the sniper, the SMGs, every single light weapon is extremely strong and able to kill in under a second before anyone can react because the light has already dashed, cloaked, or grappled away.

Why can you draw the bowstring while dashing, completely negating the drawback of needing to draw it back.

Why is there a hitscan sniper rifle in a game otherwise entirely built around close to medium range engagements, making it completely control and ruin games. At LEAST make it a projectile with travel time.

Why has light not received a single significant nerf besides the taser adjustment in the entire history of the game.

I know several people who have stopped playing The Finals because of how oppressive, frustrating, and unenjoyable to fight lights are. I’m genuinely concerned for the future of this game given the dev team’s complete disregard for light’s dominance.

[woeful bolt]

The other weapons were indirectly nerfed or buffed in these patches like with the goo burn time being a nerf to all pyro gadgets and weapons and the TA Regan change indirectly nerfing snipers and Ks23, and indirectly nerfing light as a whole, and the cashout changes buffing lights to be used in the meta. All the weapons need to now be balanced around TA and WT now and casually. This is super hard to balance guns now. The 93R was an overall trash gun overshadowed by every other light weapon while with medium and heavy every weapon is viable and non overshadowed each other

[hard badger]

please higher the amount cash needed for bank it, matches are way to fast over now you can fast respawn and without team elim

[quartz dock]

After the update, game crashed during world tour, reconnected and was playing, apparently it never counted as a reconnection, moved on to the finals and got kicked out of the lobby with a suspension for “leaving the game” even though I never did

[teal bear]

Dash absolutely did not need a nerf wtf

[sacred cypress]

Make people loose WT points after dc. Im sick of this shit. If u have bad connection you should be punished imo. or have the game perform a test first.

[drowsy vector]

My findings so far with not being able to lose money when wiping: it’s waaay to easy to earn money

[bleak nexus]

Dash and Beam nerf??? the hell is going on??

[indigo geyser]

I’m a bit torn on the Heal Beam nerf. It already felt harder to keep my team healthy after the first nerf and I could adapt. I haven’t hopped on to try it, but I can already tell that 5.5 seconds is not enough unless they up the rate of healing it gives.

First reaction: Mot all positive. Will come back after I try it myself! Maybe it’s not as bad as I think it is? Did not think Medium needed a nerf though

[olive shell]

Make cashouts reward cash during the duration of holding it. With a bonus reward to whichever team holds it on completion. Boom third partying solved

[near ice]

Might as well reimburse folk who bought full priced metro bundles in the past. Folk can buy shit that I paid full price for individually but I can't buy anything from this set individually!? What a joke, every update y'all make me further question why I ever bought a bunch of shit from your store when this game first launched.

You are all creative, I'll give you that. It's part of the reason I felt compelled to jump on the release hype train...now I just feel like I'm getting fucked for being a fan before season 3.

[random scarab]

why nerf one of the only skill based specialisations? its only strong if your good at the game and it will just make more light users use cringe, boosted, skill-less invis

invis is annoying to deal with and people who use it suck, it shouldnt be in the game when it already has so much visual clutter

[tall rock]

Invis isn't even that strong anymore tho

[fleet panther]

This kind of complaint happens everytime a game goes free to play too.

Generally the answer is always, you got to enjoy having it earlier than others so it's an early adopter fee. And now you get to enjoy the changes for all future bundles.

I understand the frustration but it's ultimately a good change.

[shy walrus]

decent patch but the dash nerf and removing team wipe penalty from cashout makes no sense

[nocturne fern]

so are we ever going to fix the bug where you literally cant shoot or do anything at all or is that just gonna be a part of the game forever

[floral shoal]

Just want to point out a very minor clipping issue with the new Metro Drifter Set's Hood.

Would be very appreciative of a slight model adjustment. https://i.imgur.com/8s1r6kn.png

[obtuse ravine]

Nobody was asking them to remove cash loss. folks were asking for them to fix the shitty spawns.

[graceful lion]

anybody else think that removing wipe penalties is a bad idea?

[stuck pumice]

love my spearrr

[stark notch]

What's skillful about it? You just spam the button when you're in danger. Using demat to drop an enemy on a mine has more skill to it lol

[spiral thorn]

ive been queuing for bank it for the past 10 minutes, fix the waiting times

[warm basalt]

Dont nerf dash which is already not so good (compared to tracer blinks for instance)

• Dashes get a lot of times stuck
• Dashes don't go through enemy
• Dashed a reaaaally visible and almost trackable already
• Light are crisps that dies as soon as someone sneezes at them
• Dashes are still fun, but nerfed like that I don't know if it will remain
• Dash nerf + Grapling hook buff => more snipers which is already a pain (playin noob snipes yeyy // playin vs god snipes yeyyy)

[echo urchin]

• Upon interacting with a Vault, the team is rewarded with $1,000.

  • Kills Required to Match: 2

• After depositing the Cash Box into a Cashout Station, the team will be rewarded with 30%

  • $3,000
    • KRM: 6
  • $4,500
    • KRM: 9
  • $6,600
    • KRM: 13.2, so, 14

• The first two Vaults in the arena are worth $10,000 each and subsequent Vaults are worth $15,000 each. Overtime Vaults (Vault 5 and 6) are worth $22,000 each.

  • Completing the cashout nets
    • $7,000
      • KRM: 14
    • $10,500
      • KRM: 21
    • $15,400
      • KRM: 30.8, so, 31

Scenario A: complete 3 vaults and 3 cashouts. No kills.

• Total = $50,000
• KRM: 100
  • 100/3 = 33.333 each

Scenario B: complete 3 vaults, Start 3 cashouts. No kills.

• Total = $17,100
• KRM: 34.2, so, 35.
  • 35/3 = 11.667 each

Scenario C: Complete 3 cashouts. No vaults. No cashout starts. No kills.

• Total = $32,900

  • KRM: 66
    • 22 each

• The final round features only two teams in a single match. The rules for this last match follow the Quick Cash format, and the first team to reach $20,000 wins.

  • $20k KRM: 40
    • 13.3 each

[thorn kelp]

Ngl this patch had me all happy reading with the Heal Beam nerf to the Evasive Dash nerf to the Grapple Hook buff to the goo getting buffed from fire. I don't give if anyone else thinks these balance patches are an L cuz they're wrong tbh. I'm so glad and happy to be part of this amazing fun game

[vernal swallow]

wait actually???

[feral bloom]

@dull hemlock would this be a good idea?

[indigo geyser]

Their role DOES say “light main”. Then again, I haven’t hopped online to check how balanced it feels. Part of me hopes this IS a W patch

[cosmic cloud]

I thought I would like the WT changes, but now I don't.

Sure, third parties over cashouts have decreased, but fourth parties have increased. Teams are doubling cashouts to get the deposit bonus without having to fight. Teams are griefing other teams more since there isn’t a team wipe penalty. Random/pointless fighting has increased, players are chasing other players more than they should now. Third parties have increased on vaults, with the instant deposit bonus being worth too much to pass up. Without team wipes, no comeback is possible with two stronger/skilled/coordinated teams in a match. (maybe true for regular cashout as well)

Maybe it might be better later on when the player count is higher, but so far, it isn’t looking too good.

[teal salmon]

REMOVE MOVING PLATFORMS EVENT

[rough herald]

Low Gravity event Fix Suggestion

**Note: **

• so whats bad about low grav? as a movement player i find low grav very annoying, yeah sure it make hard jump easier and impossible jump now possible but in combat it make jumping a death wish as it make you a very easy target when falling.
  (i have so many clip of me beaming people who use jump pad in low grav)
• yeah sure thats what it suppose to do but it can be interesting without being annoying

Suggestion:

• Remove it (boring)
• Do nothing (lame)
• Let me control how fast i fall by pressing the crouch button so jumping is now viable, and it make fight more interesting thx to more option of outplaying enemy gamer (pls?)

[rotund rapids]

Love it when I'm trying to report someone for cheating and It keeps knocking me out of the report screen every damn screen change post match

[grand gulch]

Pls do not break pc controller support in tbe future lol. I thought my aim literally went to crap overnight. I’ve now tweaked all of my setting in an attempt to fix it and I have no idea where my baseline was!

[obtuse ravine]

Lowkey makes team wipes non consequential. They could’ve just reduced the wipe penalty to reflect the amount of cash gained on kills. Why even have a wipe timer, at that point?

And let teams that are in third or fourth , have a winning chance if they’re unable to grab the last cashout. If cash loss was 20-25% instead of 30%, cash gained per kill is still 500 , and WITH the 30% granted on deposit still, it could lead to situations where someone nabs the last cashout, and third or fourth place team also wipes another team, and both 1st and second place teams end up losing instead in the final moment. It leads to more chances for losing teams to recover from bad plays in the early game. Embark taking L’s on continuing to make changes nobody asked for, like with ranked TA. With all other changes aside they almost got it right at least.

[plush fjord]

Alright. I'm done with this game.
Let me ellaborate.
I've been a fan of the game ever since s1. Loved it. Played all types of classes, had no issue with the balancing. Back then. I even wrote a google review, opposing the views of all those ppl who were talking about balancing issues. Now, I just realized they were right. In a way at least.
S3 is mental torture. It kills my brain. I'm not talking about TA. It's the entire balance system. I'll say it again, sniper lights are so hellishly oppressive. I can't even play power shift anymore cos I have to run away and take shelter just cuz theres 4 snipers in one team. I could try firing back at them, but my heavy lewis gun or medium fcar wont do nothing. Next? Throwing knives. Constantly crying to the devs, not just me but the entire community. Literally two-hit kill. You dont even have the chance to counter them.
Here's a list of some nerfs done to weapons in the game in the past: Lewis Gun. M60. FCAR. AKM. CL40. LH1.
Here's a list of some buffs: Throwing knives. M11. Pretty much light weapons.
Recognize the trend? All the nerfs done were some of the few weapons that we could use to counter lights, but u nerfed it. Just cuz lights had a skill issue and didnt know how to play with a lower health. They have things like vanishing bomb, evasive dash, thermal vision, grappling hook, and not to mention huge fire rate, zero recoil, high accuracy and range and seconds of reload speeds. Yet u keep catering them like idiots. Im talking to u, devs.
Swords, daggers, m11, xp54, throwing knives. None of these require skill. Just keep spamming and ur done with ur opponent in seconds. How is that fair??? Lowest skill floor in the game. All light weapons are op, tbh, except maybe recurve bow. Lights itself are op. Thats why u see 3+ lights in every powershift match. Ppl are killing me in whats faster than a reaction time. And i dont even have a proper fire rate or damage to counter. Awfl Game. Great job devs. @pearl kiln

[quick dew]

the entire pacing of the game is different, they've essentially forced an HML meta because you really need a light with gateway to get the first vault in extremely fast for the 30% deposit bonus, i'm not an entirely against an HML meta but doing it like this is awfullll

no team wipes mean you can "tie" for second place so much more often

no team wipes also means it's practically impossible to catch up to anyone who's deposited a 10k + 15k, you can't team wipe them anymore, and unless you double stack the 22ks it's just joever

what i've seen most of the smart players doing is rushing in the first vault to a cashout for the 30%, and then immediately abandoning that cashout to try third party the teams fighting over the other vault for an extra 30%

that causes some games to be a never-ending cycle of third-parties and it's actually ass to play

[cursive lotus]

The mediums will just not be played, it’s being ruined

[blissful void]

Overall, I’m very pleased with the cash out changes on paper and am interested to see how the game plays and the pacing overall. I will play and gather some formal thoughts before commenting further.

I’m always glad to see bug fixes and improvements. This should be the standard, and devs should always work towards making a seamless experience when playing the game, which is most important.

TA does not affect me as I do not play, but happy to see QoL changes in that regard.

I'm glad to see a dash nerf. This is also a step in the right direction.

I'm a bit confused about the additional medium nerf as the class has already been nerfed to the ground.. As a medium main, support is the only thing you can do well without sweating or being pinpoint accurate. In the instance where there are multiple heal beams on the team, I can understand there is a need for greater cooldown times, but as a single medium, having to also play the balance game of the beam among the thousand other things going on makes it very difficult to want to main medium when other classes are simply stronger. You can “support” better with heavy mesh/barricade/dome IMO. Or, simply frag out with a light.

The sentiment is the same across the board regarding lights, so I'm curious why other classes aren't buffed to combat lights better. The FCAR is now a pea-shooter. The AKM sprays nerf darts. The CL-40 is a potato launcher. The Lewis gun is a new gun every time I pick it up. The M60 feels like it does less damage than an SMG. The only weapon I can find consistency with is the Model. Combat as other classes does not feel balanced or fun. I'm a long-time fps player (10+ years) and still find it hard to learn the “skill curve” with any weapon that isn't the XP, the M11, or the LH1. It's not a skill issue, these weapons have been changed too drastically.

Please consider reworking weapons, particularly for medium. 🙏

[civic aspen]

huh? what are u talking about, its obviously worst update (after adding ta as ranked). u dont need to play match to understand it

[echo panther]

93r recoil still feels horrible lmao the weapon needs a damage buff otherwise it will never be viable because going for headhshots as intended is way to inconsistent

[buoyant wing]

Don’t love the lack of new team wipe penalties tbh. Feels like a different, much less competitive game than what I’ve been playing since Beta 😕

[warm fjord]

I disagree in one thing, and its the sword, do you see sword players constantly? Nope, they are rare and if you see one they are either bad or they have some skill but still bad, the sword DOES require skill, now that they nerfed the emote cancel it does rwquire skill and strategic gameplay but thats also something unfair against other classes and even its own class, if you have skill you can really counter all of those weapons against people who dont know how to play against sword. It's not easy to use at all. And there is tons of people that i've heard saying that whoever knows how to use the sword has my respect, i've also encountered tons of people reacting to my sword skill and other's sword skills as well.

[teal oxide]

Pictured: "Light's Dominance"

[keen heath]

Loading bug not fixed Im still getting it

[graceful lion]

can anybody explain why sys horizon isnt in world tour

[bitter aspen]

a terrible example considering those combat scores arent very high

[glacial sierra]

😦

[shy walrus]

map is mid

[thorn kelp]

Dude, don't ping a dev over a skill issue the hell is the matter with you?

[teal bear]

That dude is smoking some good shiii. I switched to dash after the cloak nerf awhile back and now I'm left scratching my head. Dash did not need a nerf it was perfect where it was. Pretty frustrating. I'm glad I've been picking up the other classes lately.

[gritty owl]

probably a bit early to tell, only played like 6 games, but overall i like the changes, except no wipe penalty. i'd much prefer if there was a (reduced) penalty of maybe 15-20% and the team that did the wipe receiving those 15-20% (distributed on the teams that did the kills). that way there is still incentive to stay alive after a wipe and you can't get a free reset by just wiping. and you can still contest first/second place if you are behind. rewarding the team that did the wipe prevents other teams from benefitting (e.g. first place gets wiped by third place, third place stays third, but first place drops to second)

[fair osprey]

Embark, you're clearly trying to prevent third partying or discourage it with these changes.

Stop doing that.

Cashout has 4 teams of 3 fighting over two Cashouts. Third and fourth partying is a part of the game and those that can't deal with it are only really mad because they didn't win when they should've, and that's on them for not being able to keep up with the pace.

Revert everything besides

1. Increased steal time, as it does lower the chance of douchey "jump in and steal" and gives a slightly bigger margin of "we won this, no excuse to lose it."
2. Increased cash per kill, to give losing teams a caveat to get in the lead. With the fact that Cash Boxes will grant you 100% of the earnings after a successful Cashout, the increased cash per kill should not encourage more third partying for winning teams, especially since they could lose 30% of their winnings when they get wiped.

It is extremely crucial, if you aren't going to do these suggestions or improve on them, to bring back Cash Loss on Team Wipe at the very least. I had a game where both winning teams had so much money that the losing teams had NO CHANCE to win even with a successful Cashout, ESPECIALLY if they weren't the first one to insert the Cash Box.

[onyx ledge]

they're literally the most fun cashout spots

[subtle oak]

Good update!

The only thing I dislike is no more cash lost over team wipes. I always liked hunting a team and wiping them to have more cash if its a close call.

Its also a skill to realise you shouldnt get wiped or you’ll lose a game if both your teammates are dead.

[proper quarry]

I think there should be instead a 10-15% decrease instead, so that it can put teams out of the lead but not completely get them out of the game and still give them a chance

[cosmic cloud]

Can we change the FCAR description from "Heavy Tactical Assault Rifle" to just "Tactical Assault Rifle" or “Lesser AKM with Sight” (joking) since it’s no longer heavy hitting?

[molten hinge]

lol yes people are insane

[olive nymph]

What are the thoughts on having to headshot and double body a heavy with the sniper to kill or 4 body shots

[glacial grail]

new cashout changes are awesome, maybe put team wipe in world tour/ranked, but make it 10-20%. however, quick cash has been ruined, the spawns are insanely far away from the cashout and it is unplayable atm, but i'm sure this wasn't intended

[buoyant mural]

dash nerf shouldnt affect melle light players

[obtuse ravine]

Fr. Reinstalled just to remember why I stopped playing, except now it just feels worse than before. Before it was at least tolerable to a degree, but now it’s just boring with no sense of competition .

There’s no point to increasing the cash gained per kill, if it can’t be lost. It just means 3rd and 4th place can’t ever catch up really, if they don’t get the first 2 cashouts immediately or steal two during the match at some point

[shut gyro]

Not losing money from getting team wiped will encourage me to third party more cause i have nothing to lose, i think team wipe money loss will prevent third party or make it weaker, when i was grinding season 2 we always anchor one of us and the other two third party to get more money to win, now all of us 3 will go third party there is nothing to lose

[autumn bison]

why?

[nova crest]

Guys, I am literally BEGGING YOU, to please allow hair to be worn with the new white bucket hat, same as the black one🙏🏼
Pleeeeeease I need it in my life 😭🫶🏼

P.S I make finals content go follow my TikTok spicegirlx_gaming 🥰🥰🥰

[leaden perch]

I love this game. Can’t get enough of it. But it would be nice to have a Ranked Power Shift mode if that is anyway possible.

Don’t get me wrong I’m digging World Tour / Cash Out but me & friends love going crazy on Power Shift. A Ranked adaptation to Power Shift would be Litty.

Agree or disagree?

[nocturne fern]

SOMETHING AS STRONG AS GLITCH TRAP SHOULD ONLY TAKE 1 SHOT TO BREAK

[steel marlin]

these cashout changes are just not it idk. it feels like third parties are rewarded even more because of the immediate cash reward from placing the box into the cashout and as people have pointed out, getting more money from kills is redundant without cash loss because if you manage to kill the super sweat team, they have no punishment whatsoever because they'll just kill you back and gain more money with no hit to their amount. bring back cash loss and reduce how much money is gained immediately from placing the cashbox into the cashout. cash loss added some sort of reason for people to hold back on third partying. now theres no down side to it and people will just third party anyway.

[civic aspen]

WHY? nah u trolling

[sonic spoke]

People were always 3rd party.

[gritty escarp]

gun glitch is not fixed, it sucks having to endure a round without being able to shoot and use your shield as a heavy , fix it

[onyx ledge]

the game feels fundamentally ruined, the chaos is removed and you can't make huge comebacks, feels like fighting an uphill battle now. I've played 5 matches and won nothing and gained no points. I miss when death was enough of a punishment that people were scared about actually dying in the game because it really isn't anymore.

[drowsy vector]

The leaderboard isn’t working, will this be fixed soon?

[azure tree]

I would love for the custom games to be able to choose a team slot. Me and my friends would love to play 1v1s and even 1v1v1v1

[glass sequoia]

Once again, since it was ignored this patch:

THERMAL VISION NEEDS SERIOUS CHANGES

1. Thermal should still display THE EDGES OF THE MAP
2. Thermal should show MINES
3. Thermal should display important information like IF SOMEONE IS BEING HEAL BEAMED
4. Thermal can be accidentally toggled on and then off immediately after by accident. Please give a grace period for re-activation.
5. Thermal makes your entire scope become bright white and unable to be seen through whenever you are also invisible.
6. THERMAL HIDES STEALTHED CHARACTERS (it's primary use) IF THEIR HITBOXES ARE AGAINST THE SKYBOX OF THE GAME

[onyx sun]

Monetary loss needs to be added back in for team wipes asap. Other changes make sense/are worth a full test, but the removal of cash loss on team wipes feels like a massive mistake. Zero repercussions for playing careless in what hopefully returns as a competitive mode is not the way.

[paper oak]

No revolver buffs, this game dead

[somber nymph]

the 2nd vault when you double stack should not be half it should be the full 10k 15k 22k in the cashout

[dark niche]

ranked is dead tbh, who actually likes playing TA?

[high wing]

feels good coming back after 1 month break and still see shitty servers and cheaters every third game

[mighty cedar]

Embark are proud Ex-Battlefield devs👏 And it really shows! The balancing is so god awful that even the sweatiest players I know stopped playing because its just unfair. This game had so much potential and as much as I want to love the game, the devs make it harder and harder with every update.

[honest siren]

Every change to cashout is bad.

While i dream of it being reverted and know it wont be, I would like to end on this likely unread note in hopes somebody may read it and know they arent alone

3rd partying was never a problem in the finals. There is only 4 teams.

It isnt much to manage. Its amazing that people have found this as a reason to be upset, but tragic that we have given them what they asked for.

"3rd partying" is what made the finals fun. Because you had to pay attention to what teams were where, and you could potentially win the game by "keeping your eye on the ball"

It was objective based, and at the time it was great.

The new changes roll out the red carpet for casual players to get rewarded for easy swipes on cash boxes. The small amount of skill required has been shifted to heavily rewarding teams for being good at getting kills, and not only for keeping your eye on the ball.

The issue was people who play team death match games being upset that they couldnt win a game for dropping 30 kills.

But the game gave a voice to less mechanically skilled players who had an eye for strategy.

rip the finals as i knew it. I know this is healthy for somebody's wallet, by making it more fun for the people in question. But i will miss the game.

I hope the people it serves enjoy the game as much as I did

[proper barn]

"3rd partying was never a problem in the finals. There is only 4 teams. " lets just toss this whole paragraph in the bin bud

[hollow iron]

So this guy hasn't EVER played cashout in his life, good to know

[quick coyote]

Yeah third party is a major issue. If I’m not mistaken, Fortnite added in a “regen” thing for eliminating a team because third party is so bad in that game. Apex and PUBG seem to be falling behind in that aspect

[stray siren]

Y'all should make it so the cash out deposits half the money to the team holding it for half the timer and then the rest when the timer ends this way if someone steals it while its almost done they get half the money. This way you at least have something to show for holding it for most of the time instead of getting nothing because it got stolen last minute

[spiral thorn]

this man does not know what the hell he is talking about

[nocturne fern]

do you even know what a third party isss??? it doesnt matter how many teams there are bruda😭 unin💀 🙏

[fierce elk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1eaakhb/new_map_idea/

[quick coyote]

I have to play on asia servers cause i cant find a WT match on oceanic servers
now i cant even find a WT match on asian servers... so dead

[steel marlin]

if you're gonna make major changes to a mode and people dont like it, DO NOT HAVE IT STAY FOR A WEEK, much less on the current core mode. this needs to be addressed asap and not a week later because i have seen almost no one enjoy the changes and it shouldnt stay this way for that long if thats the case. please make changes or revert the current changes asap.

[bitter aspen]

i feel like most modern fps have forgotten their predecessors like tell me why halo 3's ranking system and matchmaking was good and played for many years after its release date? simply because they had two different matchmaking systems for casual and rank, i think the finals needs to take a page from that game and simply implement those appropriate changes, maps need to be different in rank then they are casual, the weapon balance needs to be more there, the ranking system needs to be a real ranking system that judges on skill not a time simulator

freeze tag would be so much better for this game then what ever T.A is

[wheat dock]

me too

[regal salmon]

100%.

It's meant to be a gameshow. Epic comebacks and reversals were what made it so awesome. The economy of Cashout was incredibly finely balanced. Now it's just sweatiest team wins. Creativity doesn't matter.

I don't mind if it's just a LTM. Two weeks of a different ruleset is fun. But it's shockingly poor design if this is intended to be permenent.

To the degree of fundamentally minsunderstanding what makes the game so fun.

I'm really hoping it's not the start of selling out to the idiot crowd like most FPS games eventually devolve into.

[echo urchin]

Blame all the people whining about third parties and last minute wins and what not for these changes.

It was awesome feeling like you always had a shot at winning, and like you weren’t done fighting until the last second. Instead we have people (can’t tell if it’s the casuals or the “pro players”) crying about last minute wins, low gravity, platforms, any of the weird or fun weapons or gadgets, any of the game show dynamism, etc. until the game becomes just another straight forward shooter where movement and mechanical aim skills and whatever are the deciding factor.

The devs aren’t ruining the game, the community is with their constant bitching and horrible takes that they shriek until the devs buckle and implement into the game.

The state of the game is a reflection of the state of the conversations in the community.

[thorn kelp]

Lowkey that would be my suggestion for 3rd parties in this game. Either begin health regen after a Team Wipe or reduced ability cooldown for like a couple of seconds (this would be a little challenging to implement so I would take the health regen)

[civic aspen]

man stop baiting for explanation, just look at general reaction of the community, i dont see any point of repeating same message

[short canopy]

Exactly. The whole point of the game is that its dynamic and you never know what will happen. Why would we even bother having 4 teams and 2 cash boxes if third parties and random fights didnt break out? Its a game of chaos and fun. I dont think trying to separate the fights makes the game more enjoyable. Also, the new rules only encourage lights to run wild. Plus theres no incentive to not just jump off the edge when you need to reset your team.

[pure ore]

Rant about balancing the game
The problem with this game is that devs are not gonna do much balance changes till s4 I think. and the thing is they are not gonna hit the mark with just 1 big update. and their inner season patches are gonna be too small because I guess that's their policy now since we already have 6 weeks of nothing patches (talking about gun balance only issues, other stuff gets updated, but balancing is stale right now). So what I predict for now is that s4 is gonna hit SOME problems. but then we will have another 3 months of one or two fundamental problems that are not gonna be addressed for the entirety of season 4. Probably same with s5. Maybe with s6 they'll finally do something about current problems for it to be enough, but at that point new problems will occur. I've seen that in overwatch already and the finals is definitely heading this way. Changes are too SLOW right now. And unless they change their pace back to s1 balancing this game will never get its "popularity blow up". It's just gonna stay as a niche game for about 10k players.

[hardy yoke]

Bring back S2 cashout, loose "winpoints" for not goin atleast 2nd round. And keep Cashout how it was. (Playercount was better at end of s2 then middle of s3 rn)

[queen bane]

you say there is balancing issues but don't point which one. Can you develop? I know there is some but it can differ from players

[livid tiger]

completely agree

[upper citrus]

Good luck requesting QoL for an obscure item. Embark might get around to this in 3-5 seasons

[glass sequoia]

Been waiting for 3 seasons so far. Rob has seen and reacted to it so who knows. I'll just keep posting it until something is done about it. It's also a fairly used gadget in ranked TA for sure.

[brisk star]

uh. Team Wipes removing cash was an integral part of Cashout, and removing that aspect is antithetical to all the other changes that had been made. I don't think there's much room for strategy anymore, if you can just wipe a team that's winning and not remove any of their lead Ever. More cash from eliminating others does not matter in the slightest if the reward for wiping a whole team isn't ALSO reducing theirs to edge yourself into qualifying. This is an utterly baffling decision.

[elder umbra]

new cashout changes - much better than before ,its good improvement by no dedcution money for wipe team ✅

[arctic oyster]

You’re soft. There’s should always be a deduction for getting wiped. That’s a terrible change.

[drowsy vector]

I’m now most of the time just having a double cash out whenever possible, it’s free money all the time. Way too easy. Won every game today, and doesn’t feel rewarding like this. Need at least 10% or 15% loss for a wipe

[quick coyote]

The changes make it similar to quick cash, respawn coins might become useless if you can just suicide without losing money.
I feel like losing money on death was a main difference between quick cash and cashout

[bleak phoenix]

why i have the feelings the game turn slower and slower on xbox series S ?

the model on weapons are often blurry and the texture too

[short canopy]

It feels like the new update turns cashout into a casual-friendly mode where theres no penalty for anything. We play this game for the chaotic, anything-goes play style. I dont see why they cant leave cashout as the gamemode that brought people to the game and tamper with quick cash for the people who complain about it being too difficult

[wispy vault]

True. My friends stopped playing due to everything fun getting nerfed.

[mossy tinsel]

I think the cashout need to back the team wipe penalties

[humble temple]

i bet most of the people complaing about the new changes has at some point complained about third partying.

[sturdy holly]

Oceania region is so dead its not funny which sucks for finding a good ping match. It takes so long to find a match on anything but powershift. Most people i'm sure just search on Asia now which can have moderate to absolutely terrible latency. The server selection needs to be more inclusion not individual as most people will just switch to another Region and not look back. I love this game but i really cant enjoy it when the ping is so bad and the only server thats good for me is so dead. I'd say it needs a more peer to peer finding system with people who are on the same latency level but i think having the ability to select multiple regions to search on is more achieveable. Please have it also show the latency range for each region.

[dire scaffold]

Players: TA is terrible please change it
Developers: Lets change cashout and ruin the game for everybody.

[storm inlet]

i feel like third party became an issue because it's not ranked anymore so players don't care

[fierce elk]

remove regions,
at the current state, new players from other regions will try queueing, find no matches, and uninstall the game.

[candid idol]

I personally think most of the changes are good but maybe keep like a -10% reduction on teamwipe

[violet elbow]

The Dash change makes no sense and should be reverted, its one of the most skill expressive Specilizations in the game that can get you killed very easily.

nerfing dash while leaving charge and slam and winch claw the way they are is genuinely baffling, with every patch the skill expression in this game is just getting killed @pearl kiln

[cyan trench]

dash change should be reverted 100% Also give grapple 2 charges.

[subtle oak]

Bring back cash loss when a team is wiped.

[bitter aspen]

slow down throwing knives and give l1h1 to med

[obsidian pond]

that would be awesome

[plain bolt]

new cashout mode is the worst, you just can't win if the others teams got the first two cashout, the third one is useless in thoses cases

[elder shoal]

Please bring back cash loss in cash out

[onyx ledge]

i want to see that last teammate running for their life again while i chase them down, bring back cash loss

[short cedar]

100% agree with this, there should be some penalty. Playing with randoms will be harder now as well as it won’t incentivize the team to stick together with no fear of losing your cash.

[mental pollen]

Does anyone play controller on pc and have vibration on ?

[misty jasper]

Who complained about losing cash on a team wipe? This is actually just completely babying teams who can’t survive in cashout..

[oblique sand]

The massive respawn time is enough of a penalty

[obtuse wedge]

Haven’t play enough of the WT cash out yet, but I feel like at least it can be considered to be put into casual cash out. Which’s four teams and one round or something (cuz I felt the casual cash out is a bit boring atm)

[grim patrol]

I haven't played yet but I am absolutely certain that the no loss of money on death is going to ruin cashout, there is no longer an incentive to hunt down players, there's no longer a way to scrape out a win by fighting a team a position above you. The extra money for kills incentivizes 3rd partying by being able to pick off both groups while they're low. Almost entirely absolutely awful changes that do nothing to address the concerns that ruin the mode. Fix player spawns instead of trying useless nothing features.

[upper citrus]

While a percentage based wipe penalty is fundamentally flawed, a flat wipe penalty would do wonders. Maybe it can be a number that goes up through the round or it could go up every time your team wipes. I’m glad that we moved away from percentage wiped but there should definitely be something. This is a great first round of changes and I hope the next iteration works well too

[regal salmon]

It really frustrates me when devs do this.

Completely ignore stuff people have been complaining about for months, only to break things that worked perfectly fine, with changes literally nobody asked for.

Like - WHY!?

[muted cave]

The removal of the the teamwipe penalty kinda sucks, its harder to come back from behind and it makes getting a teamwipe feel completely unrewarding. Teamwiping the big dogs in a match should feel good not disappointing. That being said, earning 30% from the boxes actually gives teams a reason to fight for the vaults which is pretty good and it seems to reduce the 3 team dogpiles pretty substantially.

[random geyser]

the actual best way to fix "3rd parties"(i think) is to implement this system that i came across while in my bathroom (yes while in the bathroom):
if a team that you're fighting wipes you out single-handed you should receive the normal 30% penalty as usual but if some reason you wiped the other team but the last of you got picked up by some random team you'll not lose any cash just like currently and if the last 2 of you got picked up by the same team and wipes you should get like 10~20% cash lost depending on maybe how much health you've got or how you performed in fighting back the 3rd party or smth
and if one of you got killed by team a but right after that another one of your teammates gets picked by team b the kill counter reset and if you do get wiped you'll still get no cash lost
that should satisfy most players getting 3rd partied and still provide a reason to wipe the other teams

[cerulean flower]

Add first round joins for tournaments when there's two players on one team (at least until the middle of the first round)

[ivory dagger]

its really sad to see that the finals keeps destryoing its own game. the game got famous for its incredibly fun mode => cashout. they took ranked from it, which was the reason we grinded that game so we only have the casual cashout left what is not so fun as before but still fine. terminal attack is just ass, sorry to say but this mode doesnt belong to the finals. NOW embark want to also destroy the cashout enjoyers. Increased the time taken to steal a cashout from 6s to 7s -> hmm kay... why not but not neccessary change. ~30% of the cash in a Cashbox is now awarded to the team that deposits the Cashbox the moment it is added to the Cashout Station. The remaining ~70% of the cash in a Cashbox is awarded when the cashout is completed at the Cashout Station. These values are rounded off to give easier-to-understand values. This replaces the previous $2000 a team would receive for initiating a cashout -> why changing the system it was so good before?! but this change is also okay... BUT NOW WITH THIS UPDATE THIS MODE ALSO WILL DIE AND WITH IT THE WHOLE GAME -> Removed all cash loss penalties for team wipes ?????????????????????????????????????????? That will totally destroy all the tension, especially the endgame tension. The competitive experience is completely destroyed and a boring TDM is created, without meaning, tactics, understanding, etc. THANK YOU EMBARK FOR COMPLETELY BREAKING THIS GAME FOR MY FRIENDS AND ME. we will not touch this game again. so sad because this was is/was such !FUN! 😦 😦 😦

[obsidian pond]

worst idea ever having no penailties in wipes

[rapid stream]

Bring team wipes back and revert the dash nerf

[bitter aspen]

freeze tag would be good for this game

i dont understand why would they touch the fun part of cash out and not fix the issue with the last round of being a snooze fest or lopsided

[fresh hill]

I'd love to see the addition of it taking ~5 seconds to deposit a cash box into an already active cashout. This would make it more difficult for people to double stack cash outs, which really just results in a random team getting double the money, and it's almost never the team who deposited the second box.

[short canopy]

Team wipe penalty needs to be there to make cashout competitive. If the casuals get so worried about wipes and 3rd parties then these rules should be in quick cash.

[quick coyote]

rollback the teamwipe change and buff 93r again

[ashen stirrup]

I just read up the cashout changes but I actually been wanting them to remove team wipe penalties for a while as a solo player who doesn't play to win but just to have fun. I'm curious to why people honestly think this is a bad change, why should teams be penalized so much for playing together when kill rewards have been buffed to $500?

[wispy sand]

Fix clipping between The Butcher mask and Metro Drifter Cape

[lavish raft]

I wish they added the ability to pick your teammates manually on Private Matches when everyone loads into the session

[floral shoal]

Same goes for the black skull.

[cyan trench]

yes plz let us pick teams in private matches

[daring fossil]

"Grapple Hook

Decreased the cooldown duration from 10s to 8s" Holy fucking shit embark, thank you for finally making this change. I asked for 3 seconds reduction, but I guess I'll take what I can get.

@storm inlet well it's a good thing this was the ENTIRE point of world tour (to try to fix cashout) and they will change it based on feedback and telemetry

[storm inlet]

well yea... no cash loss is a bad idea in the end.
No more risk to take a fight if you're first, way harder to comeback at the top of the leaderboard
I'd say it's the only change in cashout that's bad

@daring fossil yea ik that's why i write this lil feedback

[shy swan]

LET US TALK TO ENEMY TEAM AT SOME POINT AND MAKE ADS SENSITIVITY GO TO %200

[glossy spire]

No lost cash on squad wipes need to be reverted, you are left feeling hopeless once you are behind. This also just encourages more third partying while in the lead since you have nothing to lose, you can only gain cash. This has taken a lot of strategy away from cashout. Bad decisions are continuing to plague this game. RIP The Finals

[hearty delta]

why lights still unnerfed

[strange inlet]

I'm having HUGE fps drops, more than normal :(

[tribal spoke]

Please fix the block and reflect on the dual blades. Its bugged right now and doesnt work as intended half of the time

[muted cave]

Get good

[broken geyser]

revert the m60 and lewis nerfs or atleast reduce the recoil

[pastel ravine]

running around the lobby getting so many kills lmao

[cosmic ridge]

bring back teamwipe penalty, now world tour is basically TDM

[true harness]

Please bring back the team wipe penalty. Aside from the obvious downsides, we're starting to see feedback like this:

"I just had a game where we were at the end, the last cashout literally impossible for the top two teams to lose, they had 30k and the last vault was 15k"

This removes spontaneity and exciting last-minute underdog wins. It also incentivizes playing recklessly, and then never getting punished for it.

[honest siren]

why does everyone want a more complicated system to cashout. why are we rewarding people for them not being able to understand the game.

the solution is not to fundamently change cashout

the solution is to add a skill based matchmaking back to the game and tell people what rank they are in so there is a division between the players that arent able to figure out how the game works or make it work in their favor, and the people who understand the game.

bring back the s2 ranked system, and if people complain they dont understand the ranks then let them complain. 3rd partying is not a problem for bronze players because they dont understand why they do it and want to defend their box. thats how the games work for them.

diamond players love the 3rd party system and enjoy the mind games that come from such a simple game and thats how it works for them

stop trying to fix the game. just because some people are better at playing it than others doesnt mean it needs to be fixed. Thats how a game should work.

[spark shard]

IDK what you did (yes, it is in the patch notes) but now the pistol for medium (I love this weapon since s1) is terrible... I expected a buff... holly.... what a terrible change.

It feels completely inaccurate and lacking in range when aiming right now.

[pastel rose]

Is there any reason why Terminal attack has to stay the sole ranked mode?
I stopped playing because of that and there is no plan to bring the old tournament back, is there any specific reason for this?

[gritty wraith]

please keep buffing goo/goo gun 😎

[bitter aspen]

thats one postive change

[untold cypress]

Your comment was helpful until....
Oscar said in stream these changes are experimental & the only way to know is by our feedback. Saying RIP only tosses your feedback into the void & not taken seriously.

[short canopy]

Quick cash exists. We want the competition and chaos to stay in cashout. The new changes defeat the whole purpose of the mode being competitive and exciting. Now the leaders stay in the lead

[quick coyote]

"i see a class that people find fun in casual where people play for fun so fun class means overpowered"

You can kill light faster than they can kill you. Skill issue.
Try dagger before rambling non sense.

[sick forum]

Pretty good balance changes, I would suggest replacing the cash penalty for a team wipe with a cash reward for wiping an enemy team. That way team wipes are still valuable and there’s more of an incentive to play offensively

[open wharf]

Pls clown skin

[craggy nova]

I think now everyone has a chance to reach the finals. Or else only diamond players will be left in the game to play the game which is 500 or 1000.

[vestal bobcat]

Changes like that can only be made at the start of a season.

[ivory dagger]

100%

[night spruce]

Game is not fun with how many cheaters there are right now.
Can we start with banning people that are using the cheaters to boost?

[rain oxide]

yh definitely needs to be in the game but it might be slightly better if they decrease the amount you loose, so instead of losing 30% they make it 25% or even 20%.

[obsidian pond]

well, 30 was fine imo

[wraith orchid]

my game is constantly crashing out of noiwherew

[graceful lion]

embaark whatever the fuck you do with future balance updates, DON'T LISTEN TO REDDIT

[ashen stirrup]

Quick cash isn't as fun though but not because of no team wipe penalty. Imo WT is fun because 4 teams fight, 10,15,22k boxes, two cashout stations, overtime, and all the other rules yknow.

[jade cloak]

Why did they remove teamwiped :(

It feels like reviving hasnt such a big impact anymore. And using coins doesnt feel as needed most of the times. just wait the 25 seconds after a wipe, you wont loose money anyways

[celest tree]

my first WT game rankings
1st place - 33k
2nd place - 30k
3rd place - 29k
4th place - 26k

See the problem? the entire mode has become luck based now

[final haven]

just a tdm cash race now.

[mossy wharf]

@pearl kiln Feedback concerning changes. With the increase 30% vault in-put and per kill increase, the team wipe needs to stay in the game. A reduced amount of percentage like 15 to 20% would be viable. I say this because it completely makes 3rd and 4th team to make any last moment comebacks allowed. Especially if you're in a lobby with 3 stack teams that are very good. I say this is helpful for solo que teams and the game itself. Weapon and gadget buffs still are needed to improve the meta to keep the game fresh. TA rank or unranked nobody wants in the game, but I understand you can't remove it mid-season, but do not keep it going into s4 at all costs. As a viewer and player this will be great overall for your game. Stick to cashout and continue improving the mode.

[fickle oracle]

goo seems cant stick to the floor🤔

[shrewd egret]

dont delete the wipe, maybe nerf it to 15% but dont delete it

[rare rock]

we prefer cash loss on wipe! this has been a great update but the cash loss (and maybe dash) need a revert!

[violet elbow]

the no wipe change is absolutely terrible for competitive cashout, this HAS to be reverted, being able to just full send everything and 3rd party for free once you have enough money is insanely braindead

[rugged temple]

Cash loss + dash should be reverted. An actual buff to 93r would be nice, it doesn't make sense to have a weapon so weak on the class that relies on strong weapons.

[sudden summit]

embard don't know how to do math

[untold haven]

yea you need to put the penalty back the snowballing is insane there's no incentive to push the first place team now LOL

[olive shell]

No team wipe sucks so far, every team just yolo-ing at the moment and racing to plug cashboxes

[acoustic arch]

So am I the only one that feels like the 93R somehow got worse?

[robust patio]

@dense niche hello. my pc crashed and now it says that im unranked in WT? did i actually get all my progress removed? i still have a G3 badge

[dense niche]

Hey friend, don't think this is the channel for this, but I doubt your progress was reset.

Overall, please reach out to support as they are your best point of contact for this: https://id.embark.games/support

[ivory dagger]

we need Season2 Ranked back and exactly THIS and nothing else. it was so fun to grind to diamond. and with latest update to cashout, for me, its unplayable and no more fun. mind games of 3. party is completly gone, no risks at all now, no tense last second moments/steals (which i loved, even against me :D). For me as a light player i get flamed i play for my own and only going for kills and not even cashouts. i dont wait 2 weeks for them to revert it. i will play again when we have the old RANKED cashout back. peace 😦 also huge FPS issues now 😦

[restive pelican]

No cash loss on team wipes is good. Too many games determined from team wipes (especially from 3rd party's). It was not fair at all.
If cash loss is needed, maybe not 30%. Have a set limit.
But right now, no cash loss is the best I think

[violet loom]

No team wipe is absolutely the worst change so far. Feeling absolutely helpless at halftime is a terrible game change.

[daring fossil]

people complaining in the steam forums that them and friends have had multiple games this morning where neither of them could shoot their weapons. There seems to be a trend lately where a "bug fix" actually means that the bug is made worse and more common.

@gleaming tide You seem to have missed where they said that the point of world tour was to be able to experiment and test changes to cashout on a 2 week basis to attempt to balance the mode for ranked next season. You also seemed to miss the note on the patch notes where they said they will see how this goes and make changes based on feedback and telemetry data.

[proud kraken]

The ability to add multiple stickers (at least 3) on a weapon would be nice to have

[dull mesa]

the logic is completely missing.

You want to reduce third partying but at the same time you allow the top 2 teams to just push everything as much as they can to defend their position with zero punishment for that

[gleaming tide]

Removing all cash wipe penalties was a fucking bold move to solidly kill cashout. What an insane change.

Hey Embark, instead of working on fundamentally changing the only mode thats fun in your game, why don't you actually take the time to listen to ANY community complaints about the shit that does matter

Such as:
Rampant hacking
Terminal attack balancing (or even better, just give us ranked cash out back)
Propper hit registration fixes
Spawn and vault logic (come on. It's been 3 seasons)

I love this game
But what the fuck are you guys smoking.

[next rock]

New changes are good. Still work to be done but a good start. Still think there should be some type of wipe penalty even if it's not as much as last time

[earnest sierra]

people will stay be ignorant and brainclosed as ever don't listen to them embark please, anyone who follow this game updates and love the game and watched yesterday stream know how much embark care abt the players but people is just stupid atp

[abstract coyote]

People who complain about the new change. One answer to you all is…. “SKILL ISSUE”

[stark nova]

as the wipe penalty is obv wanted, give the team that eliminated the wiped team their percentage of cash.~i dont think I like the way money is distributed now. and the games feels less competitive

[plush fjord]

@warm fjord @thorn kelp @dim pawn @quick coyote
Ye let me explain to yall at once
First of all, nthng abt this is a skill issue. thats typic light quote. try and play heavy and ull understand what i was talking abt. And just for you guys, I tried playing with lights. First it was the sword. Genuinely being honest i had a four player kill streak (2 mediums, 1 heavy, and 1 light). I actually felt bad because with the evasive dash barely any of them were able to actually do significant damage, cuz i dashed to dodge their shots (copying what lights do). so heavy was a goner (one of them had lewis gun and the other a m60, and pls admit the fact that the nerfs have made their recoil too much). mediums were also slightly weak (since one of them had 1887 and i used dash a lot, agreed 1887 is not weak, its perfectly balanced and ok, but the other had an fcar and pls think about that weapon. isnt it like a pea shooter? as im telling u abt all the weapons, pls test each of them if u have the time) the light was tough competition, and i was left with 17 health. wouldve died if it wasnt for evasive dash. i tried dagger as well, after buying it. Really difficult to get good hits. But then when i used cloaking device it all changed. its highly powrful that way considering u can using the cloak to instakill sm1, and idont think THAT actually requires skill (dont mind my mistake i shouldve written cloak and dagger) sniper def requires hellish skill. daggers require skill on their own. recurve bows are 100 percent skill. sword is still skill mostly if ur facing a light, or at times a medium. but the huge recoil and slow reload times for the heavies made me feel bad tbh. On the other hand, for m11 and xp54 the fire rates are much too fast. relaitvely less skill. See what im trying to say. Nothing abt this is skill issue. Its how theyre constantly nerfing medium and heavy weapons. theyre unplayable. now U try playing HEAVIES and tellMe how ufeel

[thorn kelp]

Wowzers what an essay

@fameandfortune.12#0000 Just finished up a World Tour match, ZERO Lights were spotted and if they were, they were eliminated and knocked out round 1 or 2. Truth is, Light is meant to be a high risk, but high reward type of build. Please for the love of god STICK WITH YOUR TEAM. That is the only advice I can give you

[spare seal]

nerf lights pls

[plush shell]

in 20 min two time game crashed. i was in the final now

[quick coyote]

@pearl kiln @rare spear @near cosmos PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ADD A MIDIEVIL SKIN TO THE GAME I NEED TO BE A KNIGHT

[spice gust]

it will get worse before it gets better

[dry kiln]

Agree they did the same to Bank IT and now the game plays terrible. Team wipes are necessary maybe lower spawn times yes. Class change no. The perfect formula was what they had. All they needed was to tweak minor things not overhaul the whole mode to make it worse.

[pseudo light]

New update feels like its great, too bad my first game had a cheater which ruined the entire experience. Glad to see there are still people grouping up with cheaters to be boosted and that hasn't been fixed.

[graceful lion]

Yo Embark where the fuck did my World Tour rank go? i was around 61k, give it back. No wipe penalty is ASS big time, almost no possibility to climb back up if you lost the first 2 cashouts. no point in trying anymore in the last minutes

[steep crag]

Team wipe removal is meh but the 30% cash box is actually nice. Before that fighting for vaults gave you basically 0 benefit

[torpid quarry]

Dash nerf goated, bug fixes goated, grapple buff goated, UI update goated. Cash loss on wipe hopefully comes back cause literally none of us want that gone, but other than that this is the best patch in a long time

[solemn mauve]

idk from what i played the lack of team wipe penalty has made my games faster and more action and less of just two teams wiping the lobby

[modest nymph]

I keep getting killed as a medium by lights with throwing knives

[sharp briar]

I have 1 question that needs answer is very important to me for the devs. Love y’all keep it up!!!

[mild idol]

I encountered a bug yesterday where I tried dropping a goo canister but there was too much in the way to drop it cleanly; the canister jumbled around and disloged itself after a second. However, after this, any canister or cash box or anything I picked up was immediately dropped. I could not hold onto any objects. I'm not sure what exactly fixed it, but it felt like doing DPS with my gun fixed the issue. I was still on the same life when the issue resolved itself.. making me feel like shooting/doing damage alleviated the issue.

[fierce elk]

This

[brave ermine]

I've not followed the meta, so I'm not sure how other people feel, have enjoyed/disliked, or how powerful the bow is. However I think the bow is SUPER fun, and unique to the game. I would love if it was made into a weapon type, rather than it being classified in the gun ones. Then each class could have one. Perhaps Medium a hunting bow, and heavy a crossbow? Again... I'm not sure how people feel about this, but I love the bow for light, and would love the same for medium.

[quick coyote]

The melee in this game is so fucking annoying to play against. The audio is so bad, the footsteps, the actual impact audio. These fuckers can get off 2 full swings before you hear anything

[soft spear]

@pearl kiln I don’t mind the changes but it removes the nail biting moments of it all. When losing the cash out my team just decided to head off to another vault. The update removed the sense to retake the cash out. The best solution would have been either the team wipe or the 30% cash out not both. I think the update is suited for a more casual play in public rather than ranked. I think if the cash outs where far apart it would be more of a commitment to travel and try and third party. I played 6 games of power shift and the connection was great played a few of cash out and it was awful (same sitting)

A random suggestion for a game mode would be a percentage cash out. So like an ongoing payout. So if a team held the cash out for 70% of the time they get 70% of the money etc.

Also there’s a lot of clipping errors with the robot skin but still a cool and favourite skin

[glossy spire]

You get 15k for just putting in two 22k cash outs. And guess what?? You can’t lose that free money! Like that doesn’t take any skill, what are you guys doing with this game? Please revert and bring back loss of cash on wipes. This is not fun or competitive

[daring geyser]

Too many bot in this game. Or just me? After 2 minutes every Match have 1 offline teammates.

[grim patrol]

well, after playing some I can say for certain they've ruined the best part of their game. Without a team wipe penalty there's need for tanking or support, further encouraging triple light stacks since they have the highest dps, they can farm kills which have increased money, and then the new meta is triple light because without a penalty you don't need to live, just use your movement to push and get as many attempt to steal in as possible, this change needs to be reverted in some capacity INSTANTLY, even a 10% penalty would be better. And without the team wipe penalty, if your team opens and completes the first 2 cashouts, and your team is first, just guard one cash box and you win 100% of the time, don't even need to stay alive while guarding it because if you die, oh well you lose nothing, it's just a stalling game, completely ruins any tension you might feel as a first placed team. and also this HEAVILY encourages 3rd partying, since there's no penalty or risk and everything to be gained for doing it.

EDIT: to addy, it may be temporary, but for all the issues they could have fixed with cashout they created new ones and now the complaints are just going to be about the shit changes they made which will take their eyes off the old problems that really needed solving.

[buoyant mural]

Remember, its temporary no doubt theyre gona change it

[copper lark]

​​the team wipe cash loss removal means that last place has less of a chance to come back at the end as we can't team wipe enemies to make the opening for ourselves

[stoic drift]

Your poor performance scoreboards do not negate what I said about what skilled light can do or address any of the questions. This is what I’m talking about. https://vxtwitter.com/jifferey/status/1815807702678794397?s=46

[stark nova]

triple light meta, kill, deposit, they die anyway so get another chance to farm 3rd party kills/ no excitement or risk

[tawny hill]

Please add 120hz mode for console

[chrome citrus]

Not powerful enough for 120hz

[ivory dagger]

all changes to cashout are really fking SAD and HYPER DISAPPOINTED - thx for destroying this mode - guess i have to go back to cs 😢

[agile sandal]

Allow invites if not party leader already

[sick forum]

I think there should be a 10% team wipe penalty and a 10% team wipe reward, i.e. the team that wipes another team earns bonus cash on top of regular elim cash

[tough rivet]

Please buff the LMGs

[restive pelican]

The old team wipe penalty was WAY too high. I think most people would agree.
It's nice with out it now. But if it must come back, maybe a $5000 loss would be the max.

Stun gun is still Way too powerful also. Get stunned and wait for death.
(Ps5 player with 650 hours opinion) (Mainly medium and light mix here)

[patent wind]

team wipe penalties need to come back, maybe to a lesser capacity, but now its impossible to make a comeback, and since kills are worth more there is no punishment for getting TOO aggressive

[modern wind]

This update is unplayable on PS5, you lag out of every game. Unbelievable what the dev team is doing. They just keep messing up even more after every update smh

[digital crescent]

Turret should be immediately replaceable upon manual pickup, and also it should be removed upon its respective owner’s death. Pls I beg

[quick coyote]

Yeah guys heavy is just weak and has peashooters

Lewis is just an AK on steroids in heavy's hands. Albeit a bit more balanced than before.
same class that can instantly one tap light and medium

Just because you killed casual shitters who couldn't kill you because they are bad doesn't mean light is overpowered. Heavy can do the same, with no counterplay, much easier (1 button), with triple the health, shields and still has his RPG. Your entire argument is people couldn't kill me because they couldn't shoot me (literal definition of skill issue) so light is OP. Dash is predictable and easy to track, light dies in 1> second by like every weapon in the game, and being in melee range makes you an easier target. Because someone let the weakest class get in melee range and kill him is their fault. not light.

Psst... Light is meant to deal high burst damage up close because that's what glass cannons do

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1264762343015972936/Replay_2024-07-21_19-49-59-00.00.15.858-00.00.18.720.mp4?ex=66a258f8&is=66a10778&hm=a9ec818ee40cd660715eb76b90c804c5176013bc8f684468c74fa2b22120aaad&

[teal oxide]

You seem to be unable to even grasp the point I was making if my score is what you were focusing on, lmao. But I'll say that your Power Shift gameplay footage is about the least relevant thing you could possibly have brought up in support of your "light dominance" nonsense, other than maybe Bank It footage. I'm sure you'll get over getting killed by the one light in the countless lobbies of MMM/MHM/MHH/MLH you'll be encountering.

[keen lily]

fix the fucking winch claw melee on heavy, if you get gripped as medium there is literally nothing you can do
also cooldown on that thing is a joke

[obtuse ravine]

Fr. I don’t think anybody wanted that gone specifically and we just wanted the spawns fixed + more cash awarded

[muted jungle]

Ngl I haven't played yet, but seeing the team wipe penalty removed makes me very nervous. Gonna jump in and report back later. Big fan of the deposit giving more money but without team wipe that just sounds like it'll add to potential problems. Will return 🫡

[tender minnow]

erm... did y'all just casually nerf dash a beloved ability that was perfectly balanced with no explanation?

[acoustic arch]

93R got "buffed" and yet the recoil is worse? How do yall keep making the worst gun in the game even more cheeks

[sharp tendon]

You guys still haven’t figured out that giving the same class WALL HACK GRENADES AND INVISIBILITY is a fucking kindergarten level game balance fuck-up? Jesus Christ. Remove one or the other.

[young smelt]

I like that I said that this was possible a few weeks ago and several people repeatedly told me it wasn’t.

[fading trail]

Thanks for bringing back death count and fixing the font on the end of game scoreboard!

[red echo]

is every vault 10k now?

and why tf you removed team wipe penalty? i benefit from it since i die a lot but why? you keep lowering the skill ceilling

@rugged temple cope

[plush fjord]

Lol alr. Never experienced no lights myself, maybe its cuz I play powershift and quick cash alot and barely world tour/ranked. but i respect ur opinion. Light mains and heavy mains have differing point of views and for the community to not be toxic lets respect each other lol.

[rugged temple]

Light is good against bad players and garbage against good ones. That's basically all to it.

[pure ore]

30% of cashbox value goes to whoever inserts it now

[manic hollow]

Why would they get rid of wipe punishments ?? Am I the only one who thinks this is bizarre??

[velvet olive]

Very good point, we will have to see how this pans out in the long run. I think on that note it might make sense for them to also change the # values of the cashouts to be more rewarding as it goes. Or maybe that's the point of adding the 30% instant money when you start the cashout. I will miss the possible random values you could get for the teams.

[round wasp]

yes i think also maybe they should just nerf it a bit so peopleactually try not to die if they are the last remaining

[stoic drift]

If your point was there not being many lights around just say that. I was confused what sort of point you were making. Regardless the fact that you haven’t seen many other lights doesn’t change how strong they are. I don’t see how my gameplay footage is the ‘least relevant’ possible demonstration of lights being unfair to fight.

[stuck shore]

Embark needs to get a better anticheat. Top 10 players and probably half of ruby players are sus, definitely cheating.

[prisma harbor]

You can make 100 changes as long as the only way to unlock the DIAMOND is Terminal Attack I won't go back to the game.
Why don't you listen to your community from day 1, what does it cost you? to put rewards other than bucks
I put money into the game and I don't feel respected

[sullen ridge]

@pearl kiln can you please add some sort of Olympic themed gear, maybe even just more sporty weapon skins or something.
Thanks

[stuck sentinel]

Heavy is unplayable?!?
RPG, slam and winch claw are OP, Lewisgun may have a bit too much recoil but is still strong.
I don't understand your problem

[tight verge]

Can you please stop nerfing dagger? It's nothing gut nerf nerf nerf every patch. That 6.5s dash recharge time is gonna be felt soooooooo much by us dagger players. Dash managment is ALREADY bad with the old recharge time on dagger. Now it's even worse. I'm honestly getting sick if it. Bouta go play frekin fortnite or something 😔

[autumn bison]

I wouldn't call Lewis strong, but that goes into a seperate issue where heavy relies heavily on RPG and slam, and the winch

[full thunder]

Do you think you guys will ever hold an event in North America? Such as the one that also released this shirt? @rare spear

[rose basin]

this most recent update sems to be going in the correct direction! still a lot of work to do, especially to cashout, which has a long development journey a head of it

[crystal umbra]

Xbox players waiting another day for world tour update

[sick forum]

lol read the patch it’s not coming until tomorrow

[unique loom]

I am a fan of the 93r buff, ive always found it a fun weapon and i like that they are making it more viable.

[stuck forum]

Regarding the new formula. I love everything about it except for one ENORMOUS blunder. Eliminating cash loss on teamwipes means that halfway through the match, the game’s already decided now. Before, the bottom team could have a chance until the last second. Now, the last 2-3 minutes are superfluous because you can’t knock the top players down any pegs.

[lofty warren]

So the update changed my wt rank from 16000 or something to
Unranked lol

[somber patrol]

this is CANCER of a challenge that forces you to literally throw your games

[waxen verge]

bring back wipe penalty

[wise patio]

I got that done pretty fast

[royal pebble]

How does anyone feel about the new tourney mode changes I'm a bit iffy on it and i just wanna know if its me or not

[rapid stream]

Just play sniper on powershift

[graceful lion]

Revert wipe penalty ASAP. it SUCKS

[worn sigil]

Agreed, must be removed and never returned even if I love using snipers

[wooden tendon]

nerf healing beam

[lavish sorrel]

quests should be just steal or make money

[teal oxide]

@somber patrol You have like 2 months to complete this challenge. You aren't "forced" to throw anything. The challenge will complete itself just by playing.

@bleak cipher Your clip is irrelevant because (a) in the first situation, he just straight-up got caught out. He could just as well have gotten RPG'd in the face and/or charge 'n slammed and/or melted by an AK from a nearby rooftop in the time that Light took to kill him. Instead of making any attempts to escape the situation - like, for instance, using the massive jump pad right next to him - he stood completely still like some sort of malfunctioning roomba and tried to track the guy who is much faster than him and has him at gunpoint, making himself a target that's about as easy to kill as any of the stillstanding dummies in the practice range; and (b) in the second situation, he literally needs to land a single additional shot in that wild flurry of panicked spraying (or just quick melee, which is also a thing that exists in this game) and he would have survived the situation just fine.

Also, if there's anyone with him in that situation, the Light's probably deleted from the game before he even gets a knife off.

Both of those situations were completely avoidable and survivable.

That is what people mean when they say complaining about Lights being OP is a "skill issue". People expect to just have to aim in the Light's general direction, tape down LMB, and autowin - possibly because that is the usual experience of any other Medium gunfight involving an AKM. It's literally one of the core jobs of the Light class to catch out and pick off isolated members of a team, and here's this individual on Twitter making some big fuss about how "THIS IS SO UNFAIR" when he is running around, alone, with no awareness, and - surprise! - gets caught out and picked off.

It's like complaining about how it's so unfair that Heavies have so much HP and can destroy so much of the map or that Mediums have so much team utlity.

[patent girder]

I like the contracts that make me revisit weapons I don’t normally use but why in the world would I want to be 50m away from the objective? If y’all want us to use snipers just make the contract for sniper damage just sayin

[jagged knot]

.

[echo urchin]

lol. This channel is gold.

[scarlet sedge]

How about just removing the penalties of team wipeout for the team that currently HAS the cashout. The attacking teams should still get penalized. This will both reward the team that starts the cashout first and further penalize third partying

[obtuse idol]

Hi please bring back wipe penalties thanks the game was pretty great the way it worked, felt balanced and rewarded high risk plays, now it feels like you can just third party and focus on kills rather than objective and it makes the game more generic and less unique feeling. Thanks

[stuck shore]

Ever since the new update, it changed my rank to unranked. Fix your bugs embark

[rare spear]

San Diego Twitchcon if you want the "San Diego 2024" version, we will be arriving with 1000 shirts to give away if everything goes as planned Come give us a hug!

[signal prism]

Loving the updates so far but we need the team wipe penalty back or at least a reduced version of it (15 or 20 %)

[nocturne yew]

Please, Why is there no K&M support on console?

[velvet olive]

I WISH I COULD 😭

[astral viper]

For the love of god please nerf the damage to sniper bodyshots. 2 snipers on a team can practically lock down an entire game of Powershift. It's really boring to play against and at this point I just quit matches that have more than one sniper.

[crisp oxide]

plz add SKILL BASED MATCH MAKING TO WORLD TOUR. THElobbies havew ben innsane since the new launch of amerald

[ivory dagger]

BRING BACK WIPE PENALTY NOW AND NOT IN A WEEK. WHAT A STUPID DECISION OMG

[warm delta]

PLEASE KEEP NERFING MID CLASS WE ALL LOVE IT

[bleak cipher]

Clip? What clip? I haven't posted any clips

[lone orbit]

Ong

[radiant ether]

I think that the recent changes to address third-party don't tackle the core issue: player expectations. In a game where more than two teams compete simultaneously, third-party involvement is inevitable. The root of the frustration is originated from the current cashout mechanics allowing for two concurrent cashouts. Players generally expect each team to engage equally, leading to scenarios of 3vs3 + 3vs3. However, when 2 teams decide to try to steal the same cashout, such as 3vs3vs3 + 3vs0, it appears unfair to some, despite being a legitimate strategy within the current mechanics.

I think the solution lies in combining cashout and quick cash mechanics. Specifically, keeping the cash bonus/malus from cashout but reducing the number of teams in cashouts from 4 to 3 and having only 1 active cashout at a time, as in quick cash. This ensures third-party involvement is a given, eliminating complaints about interference. Teams would need to strategize for combat against two other teams, always staying alert and ready to regroup&reset if caught off guard or outnumbered.

Third-part is not something negative. It actually adds variety and depth to the gameplay, distinguishing it from typical one-team vs one-team games. It's just the expectation that need to be fixed

[haughty niche]

evasive dash nerf was NOT needed at all .as a sword main I'm personally offended .

[hexed frigate]

true

[upbeat urchin]

I really really like the new rework of Cashout, now kills are rewarded, planting boxes is strategic, and now teams are not scared to fight because the 30% penalty is removed. W update

[thick bramble]

Gateways are bugged, I randomly can't place them anymore

[glass tide]

in the last update they did the game crash on linux using proton, please change this, the game is now unplayable for the linux users, i can use all the launch options that i want, but the game still don't open, PLEASE FIX THAT ! have a nice day !

[timid parrot]

Agree

[versed cloud]

Can the throwing knives get some sort of reload or something this DPS is insane.

[glossy wigeon]

Dear Embark. I take back what i said about the changes. They are actually pretty good. My fault..

[crisp garnet]

Feedback: with team wipe cash penalty removed, time of respawn of team wipe can be increased to balance things and make the use of coin still viable

[swift surge]

I'm gonna jump off a building if I'm the last alive lol

[harsh torrent]

Dear embark,

“Wee feel this, we feel that”
Broo stop feeling everything 😭😭
Stopp nerfing everything brooo😭😭

[winter vapor]

Please explain why the dash was nerfed? lmfao

anyone who can actually aim will track it easily. theyre still tracking a moving target...easy. imagine dashing while having to aim, way more difficult. This is why dash doesnt mean anything in high tier lobbies, the players can aim and take them down regardless.

Ive spent hundreds of hours subconsciously perfecting the timing with it and you adjust it for the trash players that cant aim.

What a terrible decision.

You guys cater to the absolute worst players in this game and its ruining it.

You buffed throwing knives beyond believe
You continue to add wider splash damage ranges to explosives leading to less aim/prediction and more spam
you added a grapple hook so the class with over twice the health and firepower loses the one disadvantage they had, movement.

I am ashamed i ever put any money into this, didnt realize it was going into the toilet.

You guys only care about numbers and making it a casual game while trying to make it competitive at the same time. its not going to work, you have to focus on one thing and be good at it.

youre failing at both.

[drifting pawn]

If the intent behind the cashout changes was to reduce the "third partying" and long lasting team encounters, the changes are doing the exact opposite of that now that there is no risk for teams to push in; they can wipe, respawn, and push again without any worry of losing any money. the change is directly counter-productive to the very issue it's intended to address

I'm telling you, devs, there's unrecognized potential in my recent idea: pay out the cash from cashouts on a per-second basis. As the teams fight it out and steal it back and forth, they each earn some amount of money from it. This keeps the entire match a tighter race between the 4 teams and makes for a more interesting finale, whereas currently (even more so with today's changes), the #1 team and sometimes even the #2 team can often just chill unbothered by the final 2 cashouts.

[proud skiff]

Im never gonna like TA but these changes are a great start and make it more tolerable, but please 🙏 cutdown number of rounds to best of 9 at least please. Some maps are very defender skewed results in 0-6 or 1-5 on attack only to even at 6-6. Losing this hard is demoralizing, causes players to give up and end their lives to end the game sooner or rage quit. The enemy is upset too because easy games means only +200 rp. Cutting it down ends the misery quicker and makes me want to play again to hopefully win back the loss since matches are quicker now.

[teal oxide]

Sorry, that was some other guy named fish. @stoic drift #👂┇game-feedback message

[sick forum]

tbh dash is by far the best specialty when playing at a higher level (and everyone is listening for invis). coming from someone who has pretty exclusively played light/dash, nerfing dash and buffing grapple (the worst specialty) was a good decision

[rotund torrent]

is third partying even a problem tho i always thought it was a fun part of the game

[minor notch]

the problem comes from when you fight one team pushing you and then the team you wiped earlier shows up against after respawning and wipes both teams fighting

[warm fjord]

Now let me explain, yes i see your point, i am a all class main myself and i use for the most part all classes depending on the situation or arragement of teams, i agree with the fact that FCAR, M60 and LEWIS are down to the point you can barely kill with it, but you have to understand that truly skilled players can make it work, take as an example the 1887, i've encountered tons of people that truly know how to use it, and as you said it is perfectly balanced because it neeeds aiming in order to hit your shots, but take in mind sword is not viable in current ranked mode therefore is not meta and you dont see people using it as much, now look at others that use it, you will notice that many of the people who use it are good with it, i can't say that all of them do know how to use it, i see your point on the nerfs of HEAVY and MEDIUM archetypes but i'm just here defending sword because YES, i hate lights especially when they have cloack and sniper or M11 or XP54, i feel useless using the lewis now because its just unplayable while playing with light feels like you can do everything at most, THAT's why I'm now using the winch + KS23 combo WHICH i must say requires skill because besides aiming you have to learn movement with the heavy which is very limited and timing with the winch.

[unreal salmon]

update on this, turns out its just very poor hitreg. plz fix

[dark depot]

When will you be dropping Yawn mode (TA) as the mode of choice for ranked ?

That shits boring AF and rewards nothing but the sweatiest of sweatards .

I wanna play ranked. I wanna improve in an SBMM environment....I just don't wanna spend 3/4s of my gaming time browsing YouTube between matches.

[echo urchin]

100% agree. Seems like they consistently over complicate their fixes.

[coral pivot]

Last time I mentioned this idea and was laughed at and neglect ed. XD

[bleak cipher]

god I hate jfj so bad, thanks for clarifying

[radiant ether]

that's not a problem: it's just part of the game's mechanic. You should always keep an eye on the respawn timer of the team(s) you wiped

[deep summit]

L Update

[proven parcel]

there already is

[next ginkgo]

Random question. When do the community challenge rewards get given out?

[keen lily]

the game is the worst it has ever been

[magic marten]

why the fuck yall keep nerfing light like WTF

[edgy lotus]

i have a very weird criticism of the new changes. i don't like how, now in world tour, the scores are always round double 0 numbers. it doesn't feel... chaotic enough. idk how to fix this without reintroducing percentage based penalities, but...

[burnt horizon]

the linux version is died valve pls fix

[obtuse idol]

Spawns are also completely ruined. I just ran to the cashout and 2 players tokened infront of me and immediately killed me and stole the vault. How is this even possible??

[haughty niche]

evasive dash nerf was NOT needed at all. as a sword main I'm personally offended.it makes my favorite weapon less viable . ever since the EC drama the sword just keeps getting weaker and is slowly getting pushed out of the "viable" range.

[thorn nebula]

I don't like the squad wipe penalty being removed; it takes away all the tension, because even if you're in first, if you're careless enough, you can still lose

[versed dagger]

Can we buff dagger/sword since dash got a slight nerf?

[latent meteor]

pls rpg 1shot all classes

[grim patrol]

they should really just make ranked TA rounds number equal to casual, there's no rule stating that ranked has to be a time investment, and spending around 40 minutes on a more balanced matchup only to lose, and lose the equivalent of 3-4 wins after that much time, isn't worth it.

[hardy bridge]

pls add back team wipes to like 20% or something the cashout and vault change is good

[hexed frigate]

The team wipe penalty needs to come back, but not with 30% of penalty, maybe with 20% of money is better

[waxen verge]

taking out wipeout penalty has made cashout so much worse; no incentive to make a comback if you can't even knock down 1st or 2nd down a few pegs

[pastel ravine]

you need to keep the wipeout penalty

[tired bough]

Am I the only one, who is getting worse and worse FPS after every update, especially the last one? Game is running like on 40 FPS or smth like that, instead of 100+ like in the season 2

[stuck wagon]

Removing team wipes incentivizes people to stop bothering/rage quit. If you are behind the team ahead is not going to lose anything, meaning a game can be pretty much over after 5 mins although there is 5 mins left. It was already a problem in games I played before. Also, the 30% of the cashout being in putting the box in means RNG dictates who has the best chance at getting that 30% rather than the skill of taking the point for 100%.

[olive atlas]

World Tour changes are really good, it is really enjoyable as it is way easier and way more tempting to make interesting plays as you don't get penalized for wiping. Fights are also way more important as you can win the game by just fighting, this ends up being way more fun than just holding 1 room as fights break out more often in places they don't usually do.

Honestly these changes are great but please don't make this the ranked next season, it would be better as a casual game mode because you are allowed to make goofy plays without getting punished.

[runic vigil]

CASH OUT/WORLD TOUR - CHANGES NEEDED

1. Re-introduce the money penalty on squad wipes
2. 500 points for a single kill, is simply too much, should be 300 max.

[slim dove]

Dude what the hell is happening with the team wipe score penalty,it brings more possibility to the game just why man?come on embark why would you remove that? Last time you guys removed cash out and now THIS??? Awhhh I am so disappointed 😞

[soft dawn]

overall good cashout changes, but some penalty needs to be there, at least 20%. Without that simply all squads attemp to take cash all the time with nothing to loose

[indigo void]

team wipe penalty needs to come back, it really destroyed the strategy of the game.

[elder bolt]

yea this ^ not nearly as fun anymore imho
the game lacks a lot of depth now

[jolly agate]

Team wipe penalty needs to come back...

[chilly lantern]

yes

[patent girder]

The cashout changes are a fun mix up. I’m pretty sure these changes are just for the new world tour circuit meaning in 2 weeks they will revert. I just played one match and greatly enjoyed the more casual aggression focused rules. Of course I don’t think this would be good for competitive but if this is just for the next two weeks I highly approve the change up to keep things fresh!

[lime lichen]

they need to fire the devs that are over balancing this game is in such a sad state and they are the reason why, they do not deserve to work on this game or any other

[fleet panther]

I really like the cash insertion bonus but I really dislike the -30% being removed.

[crystal umbra]

I have a confession to make:

If I see a team with MMM running defibs and healing beams I communicate with my team in hopes of making that MMM squad loose. Doing whatever we can from throwing the cashbox away, focus it them in a team fight when they are down a player, even leaving my cashout to go third party them when they are fighting elsewhere.

I'll even make sure to not kill the other teams that are not MMM and only focus on that squad, running a sort of alliance (as good as I can cuz some of you kids just point and shoot sometimes... Smh).

Anyways, I'm a new level of rat and if those triple Defib wanna try and Shadow Clone Jutsu in a team fight and get a numbers advantage, then I'll be just as toxic 😈😘

[magic wing]

I have been enjoying the new pace of the game without the team wipe penalty, but I think there's some balance that could be found.

I think a scaling percentage lost on death could be quite interesting. For instance teams with 10k cash or below wouldn't lose any money on death, but if you're between 10% and 15k you lose 15%. Then between 15 and 20k you lose 20% (or some variation of this) and so on and so forth, up to the original 30%

This sort of change would still reduce the frustration of 3rd party kills as the teams affected by this will normally be the teams lower on the scoreboard. It also allows them to continue to play aggressive and push harder against the winning teams than normal, while still making it important to stay alive if you're holding a lot of cash.

I think this could keep the complexity and strategy of teamwipes when you're in a winning position, without punishing the teams struggling to win fights and getting consistently wiped

[hardy bridge]

triple defibs are feeding cash to the people who kill them

[hexed frigate]

Yo this is really really fire, could be interesting if you are in the first place you are something like the most value target, and you lost 20% if you get wipe, second place 10%, and third and fourth place only 5%

[stable gull]

Alright well right off the bat, first WT match impressions

Bring back the wipe penalty, 1st place team is nigh untouchable now lol

[quick coyote]

fix the crashes, the game ran perfectly fine from beta to season 2, i have no idea what it is that embark did but its bad

[midnight bison]

The freezing bug at loading of match is not fixed, the glitchy UI in game is not fixed and the game menu freezes every single time

[grizzled hornet]

Make it a dating game

[ruby brook]

wt is perfect besides team wipes costing nothing part of the game was targeting the #1 team to knock them down to get closer to passing them the 3rd partying is always gonna be annoying but is a core part of the game imo learning how to play around them is more valuable then just removing it entirely but 🔥 update nonetheless

[astral tundra]

HAHAHAHAAHAH The cashbox has to fall in love with you before you can open it

[minor notch]

and you need to eliminate all the other teams so theres no competition

[magic stratus]

You guys used to do cool renders for the weekly shop update to end the videos highlighting the new skin but now you don't. Wish you'd bring that back.

[prisma harbor]

You can make 100 changes as long as the only way to unlock the DIAMOND is Terminal Attack I won't go back to the game.
Why don't you listen to your community from day 1, what does it cost you? to put rewards other than bucks
I put money into the game and I don't feel respected

[drifting gorge]

Fr

[candid vault]

Embark, love the game. I was wondering if you all considering adding character slots that could be purchased with VRs? Could make it cost 3,000 for each additional slot.

[sick pier]

Great suggestions, overall the cashout changes are nice but this could be a nice middle ground

[feral shell]

Please add role queue to this game. Every class is awful to place against when theres 3 of them.

[ivory dagger]

after playing cashout for 10 hours today i can say that tripple Lights are dominating the new cashout system 😄

[timid parrot]

I disagree I think a medium light and heavy is the beat comp the light rushes the box in and the heavy defends the medium keeps the team together with heals

[pine kernel]

Love the attention being given to spectator mode, but please make it so that the pause key can be rebinded, especially since e is a key very frequently used as a spectator and its right next to r, so with no way to rebind either of them it is a common occurence to pause and disrupt the game frequently entirely by accident

[patent wind]

i second this, i need more character slots, also a way to set the name of a slot. (ex, my 2 mediums say "Cashout Medium" and "TA Medium")

[graceful lion]

nah played about 15 tourneys today. wipe penalty HAS to come back. there's nothing gained by it. the 30% deposit is cool tho that should stay

[upper citrus]

The penalty for wiping should be a flat amount that increases every time your team wipes. It should also only be able to take 50% of your total max and should choose the lower amount.

Example:

Your wipe penalty has at $8,000, and you have $10,000. If you wipe, it will only take 5,000 because it caps at 50% of your max.

If your wipe amount is $8,000 and you have $50,000, it will take $8,000 when you wipe because it is below 50%.

50% is a large amount and could be tweaked but I think the base idea would fix the problem with wiping entirely

[rapid rivet]

If team wipe penalty comes back, perhaps we could try 15%, with a % steal proportional to the members killed (5%)?
This would accompany a reduction in $ per kill down to $100

[celest tree]

cashout changes good overall but not having teamwipes makes the mode more of a casual mode and further away from the competitiveness a ranked mode needs

[pastel ravine]

Make it so console can see pc chat and make it so anyone can invite to the party

[olive fulcrum]

Thank you for trying new things in WT.
Thank you for displaying deaths and not hiding statistics from players.

[hardy bridge]

The finals should have an experimental gamemode for experimental balance changes where the devs can test their changes and get wacky with the balancing and game changes

[spark shard]

Cashout = TDM

[glad delta]

facts it makes you a lot more like careful and judicious. Maybe in casual Cash Out we can go w/o penalty but not in WT

[daring fossil]

the camera for inspecting weapons should be zoomed out further by default and we should be able to zoom in and out with the scroll wheel like when inspecting our character. Some weapons when you inspect the camera is so close to the gun you can't even see it all.

@hardy bridge that's literally what World Tour was put in the game for. It's why each stop is 2 weeks and changes are now being tested

[drifting pawn]

yes. it's a shame we don't already have an unranked/casual mode where changes like this can be tested. "quickplay" would be an amazing name for such a mode! (not a dig at you but at development decisions)

@wide temple probably to not wear it out, though i would much prefer to just have every map always in rotation rather than playing the same few limited maps over and over. if the intent is to not wear it out, they're actually worsening that effect by only putting those limited maps in the rotation

@glacial knot kbai. your rant is pretty funny because that gimmicky dash/slippidy slide shit is the very type of thing COD is mocked for

[marsh raptor]

Teamwipe cash penalties felt like an integral part of the game.

Without them seems to have simplified the engagement strategy of teams. Now instead of risking cash loss, its pretty straight forward to go "fight them" ... especially for some extra cash.

This dilutes some of the more nuanced strategy which was previously possible in that last minute of the match to still qualify.

[lethal herald]

The cashout tournament changes were alright, but the 30% you get for putting the cash box into a cashout shouldn’t come out of the cashout

[wide temple]

why the fuck the new map is not in the map rotation. it s the 40-th time i leave a match

[glacial knot]

With every update the final is getting closer to Cod and Counter Strike, now the cooldown of Dash is being increased until one day it's not worth using Dash anymore because the cooldown takes so long. Because some kids here in chat are always crying. But I don't give a shit, I'm going back to Cod, the final almost looks like a cheaper version of Cod, Black Ops 6 is almost out, bye bye the final. @candid vault who is talking to you kido, this message is to the devs. @tacit bear we all know soon black ops 6 get released many players here will move there ❤️

[drifting vine]

Ok cool

[candid vault]

Nobody cares weirdo

[short canopy]

Please devs, please return wipe penalties. It absolutely ruins the game

[tacit bear]

we all know you wont play cod

[terse flower]

Game is currently unplayable sadly

[indigo void]

the actual opposite actually. I started playing the finals because it was differrent from other games. like the other person said, the game is actually becoming more and more like cod every update and I really despise that. I get that the devs are trying to get more players into the game, but the way they're doing it in my opinion is wrong.

[rough igloo]

Wipe penalty should be 15%

[quick coyote]

Every mode feels shitty now. Cashout just kinda is meh now. Tension is completely stripped.

[timid parrot]

No it's great yall complainers

[odd cedar]

i feel like this is a good idea, but a steal percentage might make it feel more like a TDM if not done perfectly, too much and it’s not objective based, too little and it’s negligible and unnoticeable

[tulip compass]

Is it intended for the vanish bomb to halt the cooldown of cloaking device? It seems very unintuitive in practice to not be able recharge cloaking device while using vanish bomb.

[minor notch]

cloak never recharges if you are cloaked

vanish makes you cloaked

[primal tide]

Can we get more loadouts? Surely they could get us more loadout slots

[civic orchid]

how nice to lose 3k in rank because you find the same cheater 2 games in a row, but you think about making 20 euro packages rather than fixing this game.

[brisk wren]

hey guys its the first time i writing here and english is not my main languege so please understand

i play this game since launch with my bro and we both love it
we even bouth the seasons startet kits and the pass
we love the cashout mode with its settings

but now....
the patch took all our fun
Why is the steal now longer?
why no 33% steal if you kill a whoule team
why 30% for the start of a cashout?

We see no reason for all of it
the game was perfekt
the mode was perfekt
we had fun
but now we kill a team and nothing no
nice we dit it we are a bit safer in the money game
just nah...

maybe i will skip the game until next patch and see what happens
maybe today was my last game
Who knows

please at least let the community vote for the changes
the playerbase must feel nice

i hope some embark worker reads this

The finals is for me the only real egoshooter right now and i hope the fun will retourn

[scenic magnet]

Not losing any cash for wipes is ridiculously broken

[grizzled cairn]

"We’ve felt for some time that Cashout generates more ‘third party’ fights than intended"
Yes and after this patch it is more than before. Nice work embark!

[daring fossil]

ok Embark, we need to talk about the LH1.

I understand you tried to make the gun accessible, but you made too many changes all at once, made it too easy to use while also making it stronger to the point where everyone and their dog started using it, and then you nerfed the damage effectively making it worse than it was all season 1 and 2 and now nobody is using it, including people like me who mained it (was literally the only light weapon I used besides throwing knives for funsies before they were buffed).

I mained the LH1 since beta, probably over 700 hours, I was one of the first, if not the first person to level 6 it, and it was in a good state in season 1 and 2, it was a high skill weapon and people couldn't just start using it and do well immediately, you had to learn it. No one complained that it was too strong, I doubt no one complained about it being too hard to use and nobody asked for any changes to it, if you went purely by usage numbers, they are probably lower than ever before.

How I feel about the current LH1 is that it does 1 less damage now than it did pre-OP buff and it fires WAAYYYY slower (which means the chances of dying and leaving your enemy at 3-5hp (or more now) happens WAY more frequently since chances are you didn't even get that last shot off because of the slower fire rate), and the recoil while TECHNICALLY being better (on paper), in combination with the fire rate nerf makes the gun feel very terrible to use.

Since you failed at making it accessible, and only succeeded in pissing off the people who spent hundreds of hours mastering it, I believe what should be done (and should have been done from the start) is just revert it back to season 2 state, fire speed, recoil, EVERYTHING, and then increase the damage up to 50 damage a shot so there are less instances of dying while your enemy has 3-5 hp which was the only issue anyone who used the LH1 had with it. Recoil needs to be high to negate it's strength as it was and fire rate needs to be reverted to a faster rpm to allow spamming at close range (if you can fight the recoil), and maybe if you want also give it the accuracy while standing still buff that it got too.

Because of the current state of the LH1 I wouldn't even consider myself a light main anymore as I play more medium than anything now (if I'm playing seriously), and if I do play light I play stupid fuck-around loadouts with the shotgun or throwing knives and don't take it seriously which is the light behavior that everyone hates.

Please reconsider what I consider to be a giant failure attempt to fix what wasn't really broken.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

@untold seal it literally needed it, grapple mains (me) have been begging for a 2-3 second cooldown reduction since season 1

[ripe verge]

undo dash change

[untold seal]

Why boost the Grapling hook.....

[glossy zephyr]

This update only increased the amount of 3rd partying happening now, not to mention the complete change in pacing/gameplay of cashout. It doesn't even feel like the same game at this point with all these changes tbh

[violet loom]

New meta: 3 stack light grapple + portal double barrel. Kill and kidnap all cash boxes. stack 30% all game. Wipe all you want. Dance during enemy cashouts. Repeat.

[thin fulcrum]

This update to the Cashout mode is fucking fire, I absolutely love it.

[drifting pawn]

yeaaaa really bewildered at who had the logic that eliminating risk of losing money would deter teams from jumping into a fight with the possibility of a wipe. mind boggling. a team of lights with gateways can achieve $36K JUST from opening and attaching vaults which is ridiculous. these changes are even worse than making Terminal the ranked mode. Whoever has been making these decisions... stop making decisions. please.

@analog anchor look at it as a temperature gauge, not a healing gauge

@haughty niche it was tho. lights have been dominating matches. heavy has gotten 2 or 3 significant nerfs meanwhile lights have just been getting buffed across the board

[sonic raft]

The lack of wipe loss is ruining the dynamics of the game imo.

[queen shale]

this! it could also mean more implemented balances being put out

[haughty niche]

the dash nerf was not needed at all.

also healbeam was fine .what should have been changed is that, multiple healbeams shouldn't be able to target the same person

[olive fulcrum]

Can you explain what is “egoshooter”? :D

[quick coyote]

bring back team wipe penalty

[flat solstice]

Will there be any way for the team holding the cashout for at least 50% of the time to get additional cash?

[silk imp]

i never rlly ask for nerfs cuz i aint like dat but, man, the throwing knifes?

[marsh raptor]

I totally agree, had this same exact thought earlier today while I was playing.

[patent wind]

playing dash light as we speak. it was a w change to be honest. old dash cd was so short you could stay in the fight infinitely but now you actually have to back off and reset like any other class

[astral tundra]

💯

[nova flower]

We need teamwipes back based on the amount of money you have and money stealing
0 money lost under 15k, 10% with 5% stolen by enemy team under 20k, 15% with 10% stolen under 30k, 20% with 15% stolen above 30k

[cosmic narwhal]

Is there a glitch where some lights become invis permanently? Or was that just a one game thing?

[paper gale]

Horrible change with team wipes not losing money and no cash out ranked still is diabolical

[jagged cedar]

93r needs damage buffs. Not more accuracy

this dev conception that is like a high skill ceiling headshot only weapon doesnt work when it barely beats the bodyshot ttk of the lh1 while hitting only headshots with the 93r 💀

lh1 headshot ttk is literally half of the 93r headshot ttk

[sonic spoke]

Yes. Needs to happen. Needs a reload or something. Infinite uninterrupted high damage is not ok.

[steel cloak]

good job devs this was the most braindead change u could have made with not losing cash when team wiped i guess they don't want cashout to be the ranked game in the future. horrible

[mild gust]

I think you should gain half the cash from the box halfway through, to still incentivize stealing but make it so starting cashout is still a viable option. Last minute steals only granting 25% of the cash kinda ruins the whole last chance thing yk

[barren wyvern]

Feedback for the new cashout mode

The steal changes are fine

The team wipe is not:
+ less third parties (theoretically)
-hoplesness/impossibility of changing the game which was a unique gameplay aspect of TF
-too much imbalance in terms of money distribution between different cashouts:
basically if a team cashes out the first 10k vault and the second 15k they qualified no matter what

Proposed changes: 1) change the money amount in the three different vaults 
                    +solves money distribution problem
                    -introduces "inflation" as in only the last vault is truly important
                  2) revert wipe changes but with tweaks:
                        a) incremental wipe amounts (1st wipe = -5k, 2nd wipe -10k and so on and tweak the numbers accordingly)
                        b) dont take money away from wiped team but give 33% of it to the team responsible for the wipe

The changes to the 93r are good
reduce draw time for the bow by 0,5s

remove or rework the winchclaw
+fun for the heavy
-very oppressive for everyone else

proposed rework:
-remove ability to grapple players
+grant ability to interact with buildings
if the grapple makes the light go towards the building grappled
then the winchclaw should make the building go towards the heavy
in short words make it rip apart buildings (destruction is always good)

That said, Thanks for listening to the community devs, people really appreciate despite some haters.
New event: Time shift
make the time run either 1,5x faster or 0.75x slower
+superspeed is very frenetic
+slow motion is very cinematic

everything it should be light tweaks.
some suggestions for maps/ft
New Map Features:
why not make a map that is partially submerged?
make lights swim with movement
mediums can slowly descent but move as in low gravity
heavies sink slowly and would move slightly slower
if you're here and read all this thanks for your time, i really appreciate.

[upper citrus]

The dash nerf was unbelievably unnecessary. Lights specials are integral to its survivability, unlike the other classes that can stand on their own without a special, light has specials out of necessity. If it’s going to come back slower then at least let it go vertically

[tacit dock]

They wanted community input on how people feel about the new changes to cash out. I think it’s safe to say nobody likes this and it was a horrible idea. Reverse the changes

[quick coyote]

Revert the dash changes. Wild that the evasive character in a movement game is getting it's movement nerfed because a tank can't one shot light at every turn.

Light is nothing without it's specs unlike heavy. Stop balancing the game around casuals for fucks sake. At least nerf the cooldown and buff another aspect of dash...

[daring fossil]

world tour literally IS the experimental gamemode where they are TESTING changes. Everyone is crying about the no loss wipe change, but they are literally testing it. It will most likely be reverted next stop in 2 weeks since it was a terrible idea and everyone is crying about it. does nobody read patch notes?

@haughty niche I think it was, dash sword builds are so toxic.

[cold bolt]

initial impression of cash out changes

• 30% loss on team wipe doesn't accomplish what it sets out to do and is generally worse for the mode
• +$500 per kill instead of +$300 per kill is meh
• it's experiemental and WT isn't ranked so this is exactly where they should be testing such changes 👍

[civic hedge]

Played a game of power shift won and was susepended immediately from ranked , for what ?

[open pier]

i just had a bug where sonar nade on 2 enemys never stoped for the whole game basically wallhack bug dunno if that known and happens often

[thick sorrel]

Sounds good!

Next cashout variant please 20%
for putting in.
30% for hitting half of the hold time.
And 50% for the final deposit.

Dash cooldown with 6s would be a compromise!
So many requests for Winch/RPG nerf got ignored, but dash nobody asked for got nerfed? Grapple offers so much mobility now in comparison with 8s cooldown...

Bank it Leaderboard or Ranked please 🙂

[quick coyote]

Been beggin since S1 for indepth stats. Ya'll talk about all this data, can we get the stats? Weapon stats, map stats, full loadout stats, by season. Its gotta be there.

[jagged knot]

@pearl kiln
LIGHT CLASS
The light Dash nerf is overkill (6.5 sec) .... 5.5---(5.8....6 )sec would be more reasonable- Light feels slow RN

Light is a low health class / easy to kill so it needs mobility ... They can be 1 shot by RPG, Land Mine, Claw

Dash was useful for moving in and out of the fight or chasing/running from the enemies
Putting in Cashbox
But now that the cooldown Is increased Ligth players have to play very slow pace which is not what this class is meant for.

Dash is the only way that they can escape CLAW and Traps.

CASHOUT

Wipe Out Lose is necessary bring it back ... Now, the Third party is more at the end of the game rather than mid-game and the fights for cashbox are also being third party NOW

Because people want to put in the Cash box for easy money

Please bring back the WIPE LOSS and rather than a 30 % loss of money make it 15%

Rather than giving free 30% money, you should give 25% cash for every quarter they hold the cashout
For Eg- If they can hold the cashout for 3/4 time period they should get 75% of the cash

Reverse the time taken to steal a cashout from 7s to 6s because it's too much

[queen shale]

cash out changes yes. but what about weapon/gadget/specialization changes? having a sort of beta situation for changes and new stuff lets them release it on a more balanced note. and if in actual games things are shown to be unbalanced they can address changes needed on a more balanced note than they are right now which is over tuning or over nerfing.

[grim patrol]

Fix the winch connecting to an enemy and not pulling them

[raven holly]

You really forced us to play terminal attack for 3 months just to make some minor changes to cashout that the community asked for since launch and could've been done overnight. In the meantime you've nerfed every gun to the ground and tripled the TTK, making a game once full of fast paced action a camp fest, even in Cashout.

[spark shard]

No wipe penalty = no strategy... everyone is playing as TDM game mode.

[digital sinew]

we need more loadouts and lets us rename it plz 😔 too much skins guys i wanna be able to use them all

[celest cairn]

or allow favourites so we can cycle through skins. Been asking this since season 2.

Also change the team wipe to something like 15-20% rather than removing it as having a decreased punishment for being team wiped just increases third parties and gets rid of strategy, making it a team death match type of mode.
With this, grant the team responsible with team wipes the 15-20% penalty lost. This further punishes qualifying teams to make them extra careful as normally, once teams get 2 cashouts, they are almost guranteed to win

[dreamy charm]

Every change made to Cashout revert it. No team wipe means no risk to just running around the wipe wiping teams. A double Cashout is a guaranteed first place and qualification. Medium with healing beam and defib is obsolete no reason to avoid a team wipe better to focus on getting kills. I get experimenting with the mode. This one was a bust

[merry anvil]

Initial thoughts: Teamwipe penalty being removed sounds boring. It makes team wipes matter a lot less. I think it is a core part of the way cashout functions.

Without the penalty, there are less incentive to stick with the team. And the game overall feels less thrilling.

The new incentives for putting in the vault is interesting. I can see the idea behind it alleviating 3rd parties.

Alternatively, you can reward the cash based on how long the player has held the cashout as a percentage too.

A suggestion for recon senses:

Recon senses can only have an effect within the line of sight of the player. (Up to 30m)

Players within range have the detected notification displayed. Also visually, a glitch like grid will be visible showing the area of effect of the recon senses being used by the enemy.

It could have a similar cooldown as before but also be toggled on and off. However, each use has a high cost to reactivate.

[ivory dagger]

PLEASE NERF THE STRONGEST OP GUN IN THE GAME - MP5 - XD BRAINDEAD COMPANY

[earnest sierra]

there's no weapon called mp5 in the finals

[last shell]

Yk what he meant though...

[worn ravine]

it’s not op my man u can’t outshoot even an ak wit it

[desert pagoda]

Shit and weep

[opal ocean]

Team wipe penalty being removed is a great move.

[tropic merlin]

I think we should have penalty for wipe. Like 10-15%

[torpid canopy]

Team wipe should 1000% have a penalty

[daring fossil]

yeah thats fair but that probably wont happen with their dev size, having to maintain 2 databases.

[stable path]

people are going to take advantage of it otherwuse

[sonic raft]

Team wipe should have a penalty. It becomes very difficult to compete against the top team. And you very quickly feel defeated.

[jagged cedar]

new dash nerf has gutted using dashes for movement during and before fights. Prior to the change, if cooldowns were managed correctly you could get 4 dashes per fight/poke/dive. Now you are pretty much capped at 3 dashes during these fights. All this change did was lower the skill ceiling for dash lol

[fair osprey]

The changes are already here. And basically no one's liking it.

@quartz shell yes. We're still in the iseul-t cup but the new rules and changes are in effect now.

[muted gazelle]

Absolutely great changes regarding team wipes, kills givin out more cash
Keep it up!

[short canopy]

No cashout rules are awful. We are winning just by running light grapple and running boxes. Then if we lose 2 we just jump off and reset. The core game mechanics are ruined. Last game we won and didnt get a single box in

[rugged temple]

Dash nerf and removing team wipe penalties are awful. Also can you please give 93r a meaningful buff. It needs damage, nobody is complaining it's hard to use.

[violet elbow]

the general gameplay loop of cashout feels SO MUCH BETTER now, but we really need teamwipes back to prevent griefing and braindead doubling of boxes, current cashout meta is just doubling boxes and griefing once you are safe cuz you can wipe as often as you want

[sage prism]

This has to be the worst update yet, my god

[fleet panther]

I like the change to deposits but I really don't like the lack of punishment for team wipes.

I also feel like the kill reward is too high now. $200 was meaningful because you were able to bridge the gap in the final moments, BUT that came along with the risk that you could get wiped and get knocked out.

Now there is an incentive to just jump off the map to wipe rather than risking a defib/rez and giving the other team ANOTHER $500 to levy against you.

TLDR: Keep/tweak the deposit bonus. Bring back team wipe penalty. Revert cash to $200 per kill

[quick coyote]

Hopefully they actually take feedback regarding dash into consideration. Light has always been weaker yet the one getting nerfs because it's rendered as "annoying" mainly by the class that can one shot light. It's as if they feel humiliated when they get outplayed by a 3ft tall dude with a peashooter - That's no reason to nerf light.

Please start taking more experienced and OG players' opinions like Gigz, nete, commit, carnifex, situation, piggy, etc...

Seriously. No shitting on the devs and being toxic but like please; Stop balancing the game around casual, inexperienced players. This is just wrong, and did nothing but drag down the balance since release.

[midnight sable]

Chipping in to add to everyone else that teamwipe penalties are sorely missed already. A better alternative to easing off the punishment with teamwipes would be just reducing the time spent waiting to get back in the game. As it is, there is a ton of unnecessary downtime and nobody wants to spent half a minute just staring at the screen waiting to play the game. I'd much rather lose 30% on teamwipe if I can get back into the game in, say, half the time.

Also, god damn we are two months deep into this season and there hasn't been a single change to the dual blades?? These things suck. I've tried so hard to figure out how to make them not suck but they really do. Please give these poor things a buff, you've been neglecting them all season and I can't fathom why. I'm on my hands and knees begging these things deserve better

[clear hemlock]

Knives are OP, maybe XP could get a tiny range nerf, and invis should be replaced. So as a result of these of things dash gets nerfed. It was never a problem till terminal attack(mostly invis players) and tk buff.

[brave dagger]

I actually really like the cashout changes so far. The game is faster paced, and I have the feeling nobody is standing around doing nothing anymore.

Controversially I think even the cash wipe penalty removal is a good thing, as today I felt so much less stressed out playing the mode then earlier, playing with randoms wasnt a pain anymore. But maybe introduce some sort of extra tactical disadvantage to wiping out. Currently its only the time out timer, but I wouldnt increase that any more because that just gets tedious. So maybe something else to some incentive not to wipe.

It feels as if the matches are slightly more static now, and not as swingy. Which is a pro and a con at the same time. It takes away a little bit of the hype. But allows solid teams to lock in wins more, without feeling bound by luck.
The downside being if you are in last it feels somewhat hopeless to continue on. Yet ive seen some last sec steals by doubling the last cashbox. So maybe that will just become the tactic now. This does make the match end in a 4 team frenzy tho, which depends on who you ask is either huge fun, or incredibly frustrating. But the increased steal timer helps to defend cashouts better.

[wanton echo]

not updated the info menus and i think theres more

[rain epoch]

Hey, Season 1 Peaked D1, Season 2 peaked 53 and finished 107.

Ranked Cashout has been my video game addiction since I played this game.

The changes to cashout do little to fix any of the desired issues in fact they do the opposite.

The biggest mistake and really the only one that needs to be changed asap is the "no cash lost on team wipe"

This adds so many problems, why not suicide push a team? Why not third party? That's where the $500 kills are now. Why not quick wipe to reset?

Coins are useless now in like 80% of situations now, since wiping is free and without consequence, unless time is pressed they're worthless.

$500 a kill really does nothing and 30% of the vault at deposit does nothing but encouraging decent teams to double stack, especially the first cashout.

You'll also see first place teams double stack at the end so that there's zero chance they can lose.

Should bring back cash lost on team wipe and change how cashout at vault works.

Divide the cashout into thirds, every 40 seconds of holding you get 30% of the cash with the last 40 seconds being worth 40%.

This rewards actually holding for longer, gives counter play to just placing vault in, and actually promotes an urgency to taking the vault instead of waiting around to third party.

[barren wyvern]

another proposed change instead of team wipe penalty could be instead of respawn coins implement a buy back system:

when someone dies and does not get revived it costs money from cashouts to respawn
1st respawn costs 1k , second 2k, third 3k and so on (numbers can be tweaked)
this could work like buyback in team battle royales.
the pool is shared for the whole team and that could create intresting turnouts for example
-teammates going aggro to get enough cash to get all teammates back
-teammates unlock vault and/or put vault in cashbox to get cash to revive
-teams could also decide to try to engage in asymmetrical gunfights (2v3 or 1v3) as to not spend money to respawn teammates and risk losing
this would create a high risk high reward play and make the game more intresting while also reducing the hopelessness currently in the system

as to deter from just wiping to get free respawns you already have the time penalty which could lose the team a successful cashout , and could be prolongued to 30s wait on wipe

lmk what you think

[gritty escarp]

third partying is the biggest problem in finals right now for competitive play, if you play it that way (which most people do in wt). The squad third partying deals with weakened squads, sometimes just one or two members with low hp left to defend with fewer abilities to a fully charged up, 100% hp team. third partying is worse than games like pubg or fortnite or even apex.

If you played as a squad who took the initiative to unlock a cashbox, maybe after fighting a team and defend that from an attack while cashing it out, you would understand how clearly unfair it is for them to be not rewarded for it and having to fight a zero balls team who is too scared to take a 1 on 1 fight with any squad. But i doubt you did.

What made the finals fun was the adrenaline, the chaos that didnt necessarily have to be from third partying, it was the new feel of a game with a destructible enviroment, with abilities, with raw chaotic gameplay and last minute snatches that made it fun, but people started abusing a lot of stuff meant to make the game fun, to focus simply on the winning moments rather than actually going through the grind of the game to win.

your point is that, the less mechanically skilled players in AN FPS GAME should be rewarded for pure strategy and mediocre fighting skills?
then i doubt you've played a lot of hours on fps games. any fps game requires mechanical skills like aiming, moving , shooting, recoil control etc. Finals is not a farming simulator or chess. it's an fps game at the end of the day.

The only change i agree on being bad is the wipeout penalty being removed because it caters to the less mechanically skilled frivolous players who want free wins and easy objectives without putting in effort and getting away with terrible decisions. every effort needs to be rewarded, whether it's killing, managing to get a cashbox to the station or defending it to the very end. every fps game rewards you for something but very commonly they all reward you for grinding your mechanical skills as a raw player rather than just strategising because if you played fps games, you would know a 200 iq trash aimer, wouldnt outdo a person with battle iq and mechanical skills in a 1v1, and every single day situations like these occur innumerable times.

[thin fox]

From playing today I think that the new changes to cashout are pretty healthy and makes the gamemode less frustrating. Healing beam nerf is very good but the rpg nerf is long overdue. Every fight against a heavy begins with a rpg then winchclaw and flamethrower. Its the most boring thing ever and requires zero skill.

[glossy spire]

Depositing a vault should not be so valuable. Currently 10k gives 3k, 15k gives 5k, and 22k gives 7.5k. If you deposit the first 3 vaults then you’d be at 15.5k, you could of course split up and have your other teammates deposit the others without any penalty for team wipes. Depositing vaults takes very little skill but is very rewarding with these changes and ultimately makes the game less competitive.

On top of all that nonsense, $500 per kill is just overkill especially when teams can now grief and third party without any repercussions.

[acoustic frost]

Hello. I thought I saw there was a community event occuring? Was I wrong or did I miss it?

[hollow quail]

please fix bow+invisibility, not being able to draw ur arrows while retaining invisibility is not consistent with any other weapon in the game. p sure its because breaking invis is hardcoded to pressing lmb but not sure. also give bow a cancel draw button. pls and ty

[honest siren]

I have been arguing all day, read my messages if you want to hear the responses that i have to this wack ass argument.

this is the feedback channel, not the correct other peoples opinions with your worse opinions channel

third partying being the biggest problem in a game that has 4 teams being worse than 3rd partying in a game that has 50 teams is actually a skill issue and you not being able to count under pressure.

if you were actually skilled enough to "oh its an fps game" then why cant you win a fight without your gadgets.

trash can opinion based on other peoples opinions because you cant think for yourself, you will fit right in. enjoy the community.

[torpid canopy]

I only ever play world tour and the update has really made me think twice about playing this game. Really enjoyed it up until this update

Stun gun has way too much reach and should be considered a short range gadget - It is ridiculously over powered for a light gadget. Personally I believe this should be something that is looked at

The per kill up to £500 is too much and definitely should be increased from the 200 but to a 300 - its been increased over 100%!!

Lastly the no penalty for team wipe just completely removes the strategy element and should encourage teams to have think instead of just grief other teams. Having some type of penalization is needed to avoid no repercussions of team wipes, it actually promotes any team to get wipes because there is simply no reason to not die unless of time

[tropic merlin]

I think we need some reworks.

1. You take 200$ for kill, and if you wipe team, you take 20-30% of their cash.

2. Team that have one teammate that left the game shouldn't have penalty.

3.Less respawn time on overtime. Like 10-15 seconds

[pure ore]

The one thing I don’t like about no penalties now is that the first place has no limiters anymore. Consider this situation: 1 team more or less dominates the lobby and there is a fight between 2nd and 3rd team (and somewhere there is the 4th team trying to make a comeback) while with previous rules 1st team stand aside to save their position (most of the time) not interrupting others much without risking their cash, now 1st team just goes all in without any thoughts and sometimes 2nd place qualification is decided by whoever 1st place didn’t roll during cash outs 5 and 6.

[daring fossil]

I do love the change to the vault icon showing immediately with directional indicators so you dont run 100m in the wrong direction at the start, and the grapple feels much better now with the cooldown reduction, but we really need some consistency with trees and the grappling hook. On skyway and syshorizon im constantly getting hung up on trees when trying to grapple something passed the trees, but then in other instances on other maps when I try to purposely grapple on trees I can't, but in some cases I can. The grapple shouldn't attach to the ends of tree branches to stop it from grappling trees when you don't intend to, and all trees if you aim for the trunk area should grapple.

[spark shard]

Defibrillator is almost useless, meaning free 500$ for other teams.

[dreamy charm]

Your right the lights got the highest pick rate because it’s the weakest class with peashooter weapons. Don’t play down the class just cause your upset you got a second added to an abilities cooldown.

[patent wind]

Heavy nade launcher needs a buff imo. cant do anything up close. maybe reduce self dmg and make it easier to direct hit?

[rugged temple]

Light is only good in casual when everyone sucks.

[jagged cedar]

🗣️

[crisp heart]

hey embark ‼️ please please please please please add a hud safezone option to the game‼️‼️pretty please with a cherry on top 🍒‼️⁉️ INTERESTINGLY, this behaviour is already present during the mid-round TA screen (where you can change your loadout), all the hud is confined to a 16:9 area. please allow us to enable this during gameplay? PLEASE?

[sonic raft]

1000% this. You feel very defeated VERY quickly

[last shell]

I've copied and pasted the following because I figured I'd share my idea here:

Honestly, why don't they remove the cloak specialization entirely and replace it with something more creative? Similar to medium's recon senses. Leave light with the vanish bomb if they wanna cloak. More skill-based and temporary

[quick coyote]

Light has the highest pick rate because it is fun (movement and unique stuff), people play for fun in casual - Because casual is a mode where people play for fun. Educate yourself.

Light remains weaker than heavy in nearly every possible scenario.

@vernal swallow That is not true because on a competitive level where players play to win light is practically extinct. No one would play a weaker class if it wasn't fun. And Light's appeal is very obvious to all players, it's faster, has unique weapons that tend to be more appealing to more players like Dagger, Sniper, XP, etc... Unique and fun specs. I don't think i need to explain how a fun class would have the highest pick rate.

[vernal swallow]

light may be fun for you but that dosent mean everyone who plays light finds it more fun than heavy or medium

[honest cairn]

Iv played this game since beta on xbox i love this game but with not able to fine a lobby with cross play off but as soon as i turn it on i instantly get hackers for weeks now... Im sorry @near cosmos but i cant do this anymore im taking a break from the finals because as of now the game is very unfun and unplayable comp wise...

[wise jolt]

hackers where? i never run into hackers

[boreal sentinel]

New mode: Custom server
A player can host a server with custom made settings. Infinite timer, limitless rules, kick players, ban players, mod the server, add scripts etc. This is for a more chill mode that anyone can join and leave anytime anyday for a more relaxing or showing off cosmetics. Players can scroll through lists of servers on the main menu that is available. Favourite or history any server related.

[thick sorrel]

Teamwipe penalty should scale depending of your cash

10K $ = 10%
20K $ = 20%
30K $ = 30%
First place can recklessly grief other teams right now.

[remote citrus]

no death penalty is dumb. Hopefully this is just for one world tour. it encouraged leading teams to pay attention to moeny, and the teams with less could take way more risk to catch back up.

World tour to expirment is fine, but when its the only real way to play cashout your just pushing players who like cashout over your other game modes away . Use it as a way to compare, and it would also let your players more fairly compare because they can play one, then the other, and really see how they feel isntead of wish they just had regular cashout back

[queen shale]

mid rounds can i get draft pics and switch lights?

[hollow iron]

💯 💯

[unique wasp]

At a glance, this update feels like it's diminishing the strategic aspects of cashout in favor of rewarding raw mechanical skill more consistently, which I don't really like the idea of.

The very common complaint was that teams that spent the round dominating deserve to win and teams that were having a rough time deserved to lose when this wasn't necessarily the case, but to be honest, I feel like that's kind of an ego-driven complaint. Being able to faceplant at the last second and lose it all or come back from a position of extreme weakness is a big part of what makes cashout consistently exciting to play, and there have to be better ways to smooth over third partying screwing over players who believe they don't deserve to lose than making them basically invulnerable once they've taken a solid lead.

[tardy jacinth]

the stairs in kyoto still don't work

[olive vector]

Plleeeeeeease add 5 more bullets to the XP mag!!!

[pure arrow]

I’ll be honest…changing the rules to the literal heart and soul of the finals is just disappointing. This isn’t an improvement 😣

[daring fossil]

there's less cheaters now then there ever was though, this season less than 1% of the people I played with/against were banned. I reported like less than 20 sus players and 10 have been banned. I think you're just getting wrecked by kb/m players and think they are all cheating. I understand cheaters suck, but there's no way you're playing against that many cheaters.

[elder folio]

Shi does not need a buff hell nah

[smoky gust]

Ok so, first impressions on the cashout changes

I didnt really notice the increased cash on eliminations, but that may just be because its only the first day and i need more games
But rewarding skill/kills more is good (unless everyone, for example, decides to go rpg or something and 1 shot everyone for cash)

Im somewhat indifferent on the removal of cash loss on wipe
Theoretically, it is better
Players dont get punished harder (on wipe) for performing well, thats nice
Some people say that winning becomes impossible after some point, because you cant wipe first place to catch up, but to be honest, it was already like that before sometimes
And if youre in first place with a big lead then you (theoretically) earned it, and should have decent safety
But i also dont really feel the difference at the moment, time will tell

And lastly, more money on starting a cashout (mostly) doesnt adress the 3rd party issue

If you fought over the cashbox, then the extra reward you get at the start is nice and adequate
But sometimes you just get the vault, run to the cashout, and put it in without opposition, in which case the money isnt really earned

If then a team comes along and steals it, they get a tiny amount of money for stealing, and they still might get it all stolen last second by a 3rd party anyways, while they had to put in more effort than the guys that started the cashout

In my opinion, the solution should be to award decent money for performance, so:
-Kills (like you did)
-Putting in vaults (like you did)

What you should do:
-Award more money for stealing a cashout

That way, all efforts get rewarded a bit more fairly, and getting 3rd partied last second wont matter quit as much

Ill probably come back again after the holtow cup to give some better informed feedback

I hope this is the kind of feedback you imagined when you talked about it on stream Oscar

[solemn pivot]

the update feels alot better, the game is alot smoother especially post cashouts where teams would third party and wipe everyone. The people that held the cashout doesn't get punished for playing the point by immediate getting slammed with a 30% penalty when getting third partied.

[pure ore]

1sr place team on this game has the advantage of freedom of choice while last place teams most of the times had less variables to tweak and were forced to play the most dire strategy. Team wipe penalty allowed last place teams to punish first place for making wrong choices (not regrouping, overextending, not gatekeeping cash box properly). That hurst punishment for the team in 1st place may seem like a punishment for being the 1st place, but again, it’s actually a punishment for making a bd choice when you literally have more options. Removing team wipe penalties allows 1st place teams to completely abandon strategy play and just go for whatever.

[gentle narwhal]

i feel like 30% for cashouts is the right idea.

before there was very little incentive to actually deposit a cashbox.

[lime lichen]

the way they should have done it is that you get 40% for capturing it and the other 60% you get over time, so if you only hold it for 1/2 the time and it gets stolen at the end you only get 30% while who ever held it for the first half gets the first 30%

[gleaming tide]

Courtesy of @true harness
That is the best feedback I can give at this point.

[sonic remnant]

What was the purpose behind doubling goo burning from 6 seconds to 12 seconds?

[honest cairn]

Are you in my games? How would you know

[royal surge]

Incentivizing double stacking won't limit 3rd partying. Double stacking can be worth 6k-15k just for putting the box in and opening them.

[haughty niche]

dash nerf was not needed at all. as a sword main I'm personally offended.

healingbeam was fine it just shouldn't be able to stack on a single person

[pale fossil]

Why change Lewis gun recoil? Change that shit back please

[worn ravine]

PLEASE ADD MORE CONTESTANT SLOTS WE REALLY NEED MORE SPACE TO CREATE OUTFITS 🙏🙏🙏

[hearty bough]

TA health regen changes are a step in the right direction, but make it percentage based so as to not heavily favor light

[eager ivy]

nt nt itnt it 4 u bu

[rotund silo]

The 30% cashbox deposit and lack of team wipe penalties makes it harder for losing teams to comeback.

I say remove one or the other, but not both.

EDIT: Someone said there should be extra cash awarded to steals to compensate for the 30% deposit. I fully agree.

(also the new spawns are great!)

[daring fossil]

making it so it takes just as long to burn goo as it does to shoot it I would think?

@honest cairn no, but im on PC with crossplay off, so I play against nothing but PC players and statistically it's impossible.

[viscid monolith]

yes, no loss penalties for team wipes forces teams to care more about putting cashboxes in cashouts, and now that you don't have penalties for team wipes also makes players to not care for dying by engaging combat with others (Sorry for my bad english)

[shrewd comet]

Light 100% needs to be nerfed some more, every power shift or terminal attack game I play there is at least 3 lights on a team if not 4 or the whole team. If that's happening there's a reason why, everyone knows how powerful they are. For those saying "light has nothing" "light doesn't need to be nerfed" etc., need to try playing as any other class against a light majority team. It's a miracle if the other team has only 1 or 2 lights as each team should. That or I suggest limiting the number of how many people can play a class per team, for every class.

[patent girder]

I like the idea someone had earlier of “Trickle Cashouts”

25% of the money is deposited right away
50% Slowly trickles to whoever holds the box
25% awarded to whoever has the box when it finishes

[untold haven]

the numbers might need tweaking but this format is probably the best way to do it

[wispy sand]

Since patch, Kyoto has horrific lag and unplayable

[gritty escarp]

clearly you'd need to argue after making terrible conclusions based on ignorance and lack of experience in fps games.

since my respectful tone didnt get through to you let me bring you face to face with some realities that might hurt your castrated low testosterone instincts.

you're comparing a game in which 1v1 fights are long lived in many cases and hp and damage works very slowly compared to other fps games where you can wipe people quickly if you have the correct aiming and movement and most of those "50 team" games have a large open world with vehicles and everything to assist you to atleast run away instead of fighting unlike finals. maybe play some more fps games before making such an asinine argument based on a terrible juxtaposition.

finals relies HEAVILY on gadgets, especially if you play light or heavy you need that dash or that winch or that shield to help you win fights, and those are limited by their usage and refills. thus giving an advantage to third partying squads who have it recharged, and another example of your stupid comparision with 50 squad battle royale games is the fact you can heal yourself in those without having to wait for a cooldown that is predecided by the game.

the only trash can here is that attitude of yours, thinking if you're "different" you're right. that is similar to the way psychopaths and sociopaths think so congratulations. just because you think differently and spend 13 hours ranting on this channel doesnt mean people open it and form their opinions based off it, we actually play the game like normal people and not fitting in a community like this isnt a flex.
enjoy being what you are, while you can.

[stable path]

i dont typically have any lag problems at all with any of the maps

[quick coyote]

I mean they've even acknowledged issues lol

[junior igloo]

make kills $300-400 but bring back the deathmatch event (and make it actually work this time 😂 )

Make wipes take away 15% of cash and the people who did the wiping get that 15% that they lost + a base amount of $1000 so its still worth to try to wipe a team even if they have nothing.

nerf lights, mostly sniper, as they benefit hugely from this cash buff. If not, they can just stand at the top of the temple in kyoto and farm cash for the team while contributing nothing to the objective (the nerf doesn't need to be too drastic, but in light of recent buffs [no pun intended] it is definitely necessary)

give ~25% of the cash for inserting a cashbox, 25% for reaching the halfway mark or maybe the 3/4 way, and then 50% for finishing the cashout. This means lagging teams still get a fighting chance at the end of the game but the leaders can maintain their lead. One of the defining features of cashout is its dynamic "turning of the tables" style of play, where you can clutch at the last minute. This still preserves that, but makes it more fair and consistent.

To make third-partying less effective, maybe employ some tactics where wiping activates regen or gadget cooldown reset, etc.

All these minutia are bound to be confusing for new players, so embark needs to make a proper tutorial explaining all this.

[quick coyote]

This update was great, balancing wise was the best we’ve had this season. It’s going in the right direction.

No cash team wipe penalty makes teams too reckless and kill hungry, was better when teams had to be more strategic and careful. Change this, and we are golden. Some spawns still need work, I don’t see why teams should spawn 200m away at certain times.

• revert m60 to S2 😁

[merry totem]

killcams. I don't understand FPS development but is this not always an obvious priority given the inevitable cheater problems?

[merry urchin]

Is anyone else having a hard time changing their username

[rain gust]

Why the hell did you nerf dash?

It's in need of reverting.

[crystal umbra]

I love how you can clearly hear the sound of your kills using the bow since it's not drowned out by the sound of your own gunshots

[violet elbow]

good take, altough 7s steal could also go considering we have been used to 6s for months now

[wispy viper]

Please revert these new world tour changes. You guys are ruining the core gamemode. At this point it's not objective based anymore. there is no more strategy. Now people can just go for kills and there's no risk reward anymore. Instead of being like we have to wipe a team to make it now it doesn't matter. or atleast keep the teams losing money and try the new stuff. Having no risk reward now just makes people camp. There's no team effort anymore. Now everyone can go for kills and that's it. I played this game nearly every dat for cashout. i'm not here to play team deathmatch. This update is just the worst. From terminal attrack being the new ranked to this. like come on. what is happening with the creativity of the team. this game was unique now it's just becoming every other game.

[earnest pilot]

We need Input based Matchmaking

[ocean citrus]

Bring back penalties, maybe decrease then to 20% but bring them back

[spark shard]

It is now better suicide when you play 1vs2 or 1vs3... wipe no money penalty, better no waste time and get time to respawn faster

[versed hazel]

why is there no white skin for the turret

[loud zephyr]

Icl bro i fucking vexed i am either experiencing the loading screen glitch or I’m getting kicked out of matches then getting suspended then not being able to play ranked is fucked

[unique wasp]

What if there were a mechanic in cashout that allowed defenders to directly "fortify" the vault, making it take significantly longer to steal, or something like that? People want more tangible benefits to "doing well" and holding the vault, and I prefer the idea of tactical benefits that give your team more control over the fight like that instead of just making holding the vault at the end less valuable and important.

[prime oasis]

This is how quick cash works, right?

• go to vault
• steal vault
• take to cash station

I've only played power shift so I'm just making sure

[pure arrow]

I miss in the beginning when Embark said they wouldn’t be changing the game based on the volume of community whining. It was perfect in the final beta and now it’s losing its identity and it’s honestly just depressing. Been gaming for 25 years and never got to experience anything like The Finals. It just doesn’t feel the same as it did in beta. I really hope they find their direction again and stop appeasing the people who just aren’t good. 😣

[daring fossil]

yeah, they made a niche FPS game and then are surprised its niche and are taking away its identity to draw in cod kids.

[feral shell]

losing 99% of your playerbase tends to warrant big changes

[balmy girder]

while playing the game that would have promoted me to gold my game crashed when we had match point. I then opened steam and had a 3gb update, after the update and attempting to reconnect i got an error that my client was outdated. very frustrating. I then got a 30min ban and my chat laughed at me

[grizzled hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/yap-gif-13220883897444744573

[covert yacht]

Nerf throwing knifes for once

[rotund sluice]

Progressive payouts makes comebacks from third or fourth place impossible. That would be even less fair than it is currently in terms of steamrolling. At least 25% is wasted running to a cashout, fighting over it means you can get 50-75% of the cashout even though you lose it for poor play.

I personally think team wipe penalty needs to come back, but the 30% deposit bonus and cash increase for kills stays. Those changes both encourage aggressive play and rushing cashout without removing penalties for bad team coordination or being outplayed. If you keep the higher cash for kills, then fighting your way to steal a cashout can let a strong and coordinated fourth place team win.

With no team wipe penalty then inting and griefing once you’re in first place is free to do which makes the game more toxic and third party-heavy.

My suggestion which I think is novel - give a cash bonus if you kill a full team, give 33% of that bonus if you get two kills on a team wipe; and no bonus for a single kill which causes a wipe. This way if you get a full 3v3 team wipe, but get third partied and lose the cashout, you at least have a decent padding. Also lets the dominant teams climb the ladder and filter up.

[grim patrol]

I really think that polls should be put into the game itself, just a basic question and a basic answer set for each thing an example being "How do you feel about the changes made to goo burn times" with the answers being a regular range of "great / ok / neutral / bad / awful.

Then they can have something like "How do you feel about the removal of the team wipe penalty from cashout" with answers like "It's fine as it is / It's good but need improvement or changed / it's bad but could be changed to be good / it needs to be reverted"

And offer a reward of a few multibucks for filling out the poll, this would incentivise many players to give feedbck, and since every player doesn't use discord or reddit, it would reach a much wider range of the playerbase giving much more accurate data on how the players feel about changes made.

[rare stump]

the devs really hate their game it was really so good at season 1 the balance changes were kinda ok but terminal attack and the removal of old ranked system that was so original and fun was bad and now to make things worse they removed teamwipe pnealty .come on pls the game gas so much potential hate to see it gone

[harsh iron]

I placed somewhere in the top 20 in the community event. I wish I'd had more time, but I prioritized showing the people closest to me to love they deserve in these difficult times. The event was a blast!

If I were to be granted one wish it would be releasing the hostages, stopping the bombing, and the invaders fully retreating in Ukraine. I'd wish that all the souls of all the animals I've consumed or bugs I've swatted, big and small could find their way into the AI machine future, as living AI could be an extension of their souls. And maybe I'd get to play games like the Finals with them, although I'd never know it.

On a more practical list I'd wish for a dueling game mode. Tournament structure, 7 second rounds. if no player is defeated it's a draw. 56 start, 1 leaves. 1v1 me bro. You could do 7 at a time, 14 player lobbies. cordon off small patches of each map, spawns where neither player has a distinct advantage. Shuffle the spawns so that everyone gets a chance to face off against everyone else. Math is involved. Top 7 players move on. On the final round whoever has placed #1 gets to spectate the other 6 go through their 1v1 rounds. so that #1 has advantage of knowing their competitor's strategy.

A little Afro Samurai, a litte nod to Kurosawa, and hey, if you cannot defeat your opponent in 7 seconds, then it's not an opponent you can defeat =p

Would get some great data on weapon/ability balance, but more importantly be a kind of pressure cooker for players to learn combos, what works, what doesn't. A lot of players I meet just don't understand the mechanics of say the dual katanas, never played SWBF2, didn't get the training. Some in-game videos demonstrating how certain abilities or weapons are used would be very valuable for onboarding and retention.

Anyways, GG - Parcival out!

https://tenor.com/view/key-get-stand-up-parzival-ready-player-one-gif-11155399

[digital plover]

this update was pretty cool. from playing the game with these changes id reccomend to bring back that team wipeout percentage to come back. maybe 20 percent but 30 percent would be great

[fierce spoke]

Cashout 5v5 to make a competitive game

[rugged temple]

because winch is stupid and needs reworks

[glacial knot]

We can reward weapon skins on the World tour new map

[jagged cedar]

all the cheaters are just in ta. You cant play for a day without seeing blatant cheaters

[tawny oriole]

Agree and they will not get banned because there are so many cheaters and cheaters never report cheater., embark should reduce report amount for players stats verifying. I can say ban system in world tour works great, i banned like more than 20 players since beginn of season 3 by reporting

[rotund sluice]

Winch going through shield is a good counter, otherwise there’s no real benefit for using winch. You can have heavies stack bubbles and mesh shields and always protect a cashout or push uninterrupted. Lights get glitch grenades, medium glitch mine, heavy winch.

[quick coyote]

drop everything else and fix the crashes

[jovial sonnet]

whyd they remoge the jumping through portal animation whej you respawn? Now your character just… apprars. Bring back the old animation

[summer yoke]

22-10 with the 93R buff last game, this thing goes hard now

[tidal lake]

Can we get rid of terminal attack No matter what you do, it will never be fun. It feels more like a chore than fun to play.

[grizzled hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-yae-miko-gif-16678387020034146323

[sleek flame]

All they need to do was nerf the throwning knives and make the recoil pattern for both the xp and m11 SLIGHTLY more difficult to use

[honest siren]

People like you have ruined this game. You complain that its not how you want it to be instead of learning how to play.

Great argument, that ive never played a game before.

I probably started playing quake and doom before you were even alive.

Your tone isnt respectful, youre acting rude in a channel that is meant for player feedback.

Your opinion isnt needed or wanted, i didnt post in here to get shit-talked by some ignorant child.

Yap all you want but stop @ me with your BS opinions and calling me a psychopath because i think differently than you

what a cool guy stance to take, the "i agree with these other people so that makes you a useless little weirdo that i can insult with little social repercussions" real hero role. too bad im an adult who wont cry about it. Seems like you've wasted all that energy accomplishing nothing.

[earnest gulch]

idk

[mortal notch]

I’ve talked to so so many ppl about why this games bad why the balancing is bad the need to fix visual recoil etc why TA is a bad decision in the long run since they are balancing around it already and s4 they will have to revert it why the fcar nerf started the bad balance changes buffs/nerfs with and so many people have horrible explanations like oh you don’t like TA don’t play it just completely removing my point
At this stage of the game I’m sorry to break it to everyone but bad devs (who can’t balance to save their life)+bad community who can’t stop complaining when they have 3hrs=bad game (and people with under 500 hrs (pub stompers) shouldn’t even be complaining about balancing actively ruing the game since the devs have started listening to the vocal majority more often now)

[olive fulcrum]

THIS challenge is BEYOND UNFAIR.
Cruel and unusual punishment.

[drifting latch]

Terminal Atttck need some sort of ckass change

[narrow furnace]

I think it would be nice if on the career stats screen you would be able to view your ranked and world tour performance stats separately, instead of having it mixed with your casual stats

[twin stream]

Feature request: please consider allowing turrets to spot and shoot each other.

[clever charm]

team wipe cash loss needs to come back. game is too unga bunga. there is nore more excitement of chasing ppl down for team wipe to win

[vital narwhal]

I need more wearable dog cosmetics. My contestants need to be able to kiss more dogs

[feral shell]

Only played a few games so far but I'm liking the new changes. Kills actually mattering is a nice change that promotes more skill versus luck.

[desert moat]

Bring Power Shift to Las Vegas

[sonic raft]

I like that they are experimenting with how you can earn cash. But the lack of team wipe penalty is INSANE.

[quick coyote]

"Removed all cash loss penalties for team wipes" - needs to be reverted. I can't punish another team trying to grief and they come second regardless.

[crisp heart]

pls add hud safezone pls pls pls

[azure jolt]

"Removed all cash loss penalties for team wipes" is awful, you can no longer punish teams, or make clutch plays and comeback, I'm not a huge fan of the other changes either, but this is the BIG one

[tidal lake]

Let me do something about terminal attack. No matter what they do, lights will always be the dominant one in that Game mode. Beginning zone, without even getting sniped. And on top of that. I can't get any good teammates so I can't ring up. I went from gold one back to silver. It not enjoyable anymore.

[tired ibex]

World tour is more quick cash than ranked cashout now. I play it because it feels like s2 ranked and I enjoy that. There needs to be some sort of cash penalty for wiping. Firstly because it teaches people how to not die rather than run into a cashout that has 15 seconds left and you’re already in first place but you have no reason not to because you can’t lose anything.

[vital crystal]

I am top 50 in WT (not a brag, just work from home so I am basically playing ) I went from 6-7 hours of play time a day… to 1 hour today. The removal of team wipe is literally awful.

Has zero incentive now for strategies that made this game fun. It’s simply a light fest of opening vaults and farming kills. Zero regard to worrying about coins.

I was weak earlier, and just killed myself so my team could respawn.

PLEASE revert back to the wipe bonus. It literally is needed. I feel like I’m playing a watered down version of COD or another generic FPS.

[terse oxide]

Embark I am BEGGING you to "fix" the dematerializer. Three times in the last match I got killed because the floor section I chose to fall through had a goddamn light fixture in the way or I grabbed a skinny beam instead of a wall chunk.

Just buff it to take away a chunk in front of you regardless of what it is. Take away a charge if you need to. Just make it fking consistent.

[worldly dragon]

why so many people don't like the new changes to chashout? the overall game isn't changed at all the 1st team still can lost and 4th team can still win at the last seconds but the skill ceiling is way higher now and more fast paced than before so what's wrong?

[novel summit]

You can’t win last second if other teams are further ahead due to the inability to lose money

[teal bear]

Holy fuck please SBMM in world tour. If I get stuck with some inbred bronze again I'm going to lose it

[austere vector]

PLEASE START ADDING THE COUPLE NEW CLOTHING ITEMS EVERY UPDATE LIKE YOU GUYS WERE IN SEASON 2.

[prisma yacht]

in a world tour match and i've encountered a bug where i literally just can't use any gadgets. i'm a dagger player on dash and using tracking dart, smoke nades, and gateway

[obtuse ravine]

Damn, I didn’t even have the game reinstalled long enough to see that. I’ll pray for you

[gaunt zenith]

Let's not force ppl to play modes like TA constantly, especially more than 3 matches

[burnt notch]

Third parties are a problematic and annoying strategy that was encouraged by the cashout system, but everything else ur saying is, to me, that you don’t like having a cool down on gadgets and health regen.

Gadgets are a major part of the game and if ur able to properly use them or manage them to plan AHEAD of fights/encounters, say, saving a grenade or two in case of a third party, you’ll be able to counter the scummy third party. And jf ur low on health, either ask a teammate to heal you (if they have healing), or hide in a corner until you regenerate, 7-12 seconds is not a long time.

Mentioning key aspects of the game such as health regen and gadget cooldowns tells me that you haven’t played any other game besides either fortnite or COD, so, respectfully, either learn to play with these features and play around the difficulties such as third parties, or just leave the game and play fortnite.

[verbal current]

70k xp for bonus battlepass rewards thats way to high you'd need 1 whole week of challenges worth 12k just for 1 level.

[sonic raft]

Had people rage quit early on because the game felt lost. Lack of wipe penalty has made this game incredibly frustrating. I was the only one left on my team. Just emoted the whole time. This update has ruined the game mode. The top 2 teams were basically going uncontested.

[daring fossil]

I was finished them a week ago, you still have over 2 months.

[lapis juniper]

The only good thing about the cashout changes is that they are so bad I feel like slogging through ranked now...

[sand bramble]

Yeah I don't like that, because you basically can't win if you're losing now

[worn badge]

This game has become so bad. The meta is just extremely unfun to play against. Like 80% of games are heavies with sledge and lights. You'll be fighting and around the corner comes a 3rd party with sledge and winch. Unfun

[vital crystal]

Yep that’s how it is now. People just give up with 1-2 mins left because….. why not?

[patent wind]

the changes are great except for the wipe penalty being removed im ngl to you

[lunar vault]

Several of my friends have quit this game and it isnt because of the game itself.. Its just the god awful player quality, so many leavers and bad players its just frustrating to play

[young turtle]

Why is World Tour and Terminal Attack the first thing you see when you press play? I get SO MANY new players on World Tour that it's not even funny. They don't even know how the game works half the time. Not to mention the recent changes added to the "No Penalty" thing. If you're a squad of 3 on a discord call, it's already ggs from there. It was already like that before, now they don't get penalties for being wiped.

[proven ibex]

" No Penalty on Team Wipe".

I thought I would love this but tbh I HATE IT AFTER PLAYING WHOLE DAY. I liked remaining changes but not this.

PEOPLE STOPPED PLAYING OBJECTIVE and going for kills, now worldTour became more TDM . It was so frustrating, there's no strategy, it really killed the little fun whatever left after removing Ranked Cashout.

PLEASE REVERT THIS CHANGE..... PLEASE

[azure jolt]

Embark said they fixed the infinte loading glitch, this is the second time today it has happened, what gives?

[restive pelican]

This would ENCOURAGE more 3rd partying (which they are trying to avoid now).
They already increased the money earned per kill.

This is how it should be. It's good now.

Everyone complaining about the team wipe, it seems they are only talking about in bank it.
But in cash out, the team wipe could be $5000 loss max

[olive fulcrum]

honestly considering missing out on it. 9 games sounds like toture. I'd pay some $2 to do it for me tho

[crystal robin]

why i didn't get the dissun skin?

[raw moss]

Hey embark I’m so glad to see you guys experimenting so much, but can we please bring back the wipe penalty? Oh and can we reign in throwing knives? Please? They are just as obnoxious and oppressive as they’ve always been this season.

[austere vector]

Thought I would like the changes , but if you don’t get the cashout it first they give no reward. In the past you could steal last second and still qualify now even if you still it’s completely worthless

[obtuse ravine]

I uninstalled probably 1 hour after the update. Lol

[crystal umbra]

I appreciate that little "player name" head nod.

W devs

[quick coyote]

I just got an UE5 crash, and then the game had to "download content" for 3 minutes in steam. wtf just happened

[daring fossil]

so I point blanked a medium with the light double barrel and he was holding a fire barrel, it exploded and did 100 damage to me killing me, but only did 50 damage to the guy holding it.

Also, we're not putting map changes on the patch notes now? im not seeing the several changes to ziplines on monaco on the patch notes

[flint bear]

Can medium’s also have the ability to use glitch nades

[craggy verge]

I am absolutely begging embark to remove snipers from TA. I have spent hundreds of dollars on this game to support it. please support your community

[lost linden]

What the fuck are you talking about, I don’t leave ranked games but when my teammates do and I decide to stay the whole game and get destroyed for the new 30 minutes it’s frustrating, even more when I lose RS and no hope that someone will take the rage quitters spot. I’ve personally never left a ranked game but people leave my lobbies all the time for no reason other than rage quitters and sore losers.

[glacial geyser]

I've hardly played at all this season, just been waiting for the Discord alert that there's an update that changes things for the better.

Well damn, if this isn't a monkey's paw kind of situation...

Removing the teamwipe penalty is absolutely insane.
I can only assume the reasoning is to put less focus on killing and reduce the number of pointless teamfights where neither team benefits anything...

Instead, it just makes catching up to other teams much more challenging and frustrating.

As for the 30% cash on depositing, I think this is a terrible decision.
Not only does it fundamentally change how Cashout plays, but it also incentivises players to simply grab vaults early and deposit, and then not defend it at all...

What's the point in defending when you can just grab the next vault?
Even if your cashout gets stolen, you will likely have more than enough time to come back and thirdparty to steal it back.

Any decision that moves away from incentivising defending the cashout is a bad decision in my eyes.

[shut copper]

I agree

[short cedar]

Ok so just played, or should I say attempt to play my first couple games after the changes.

First off I don’t know what happened but I can’t even get through a single game without massive lag spikes. This has never been a problem before.

Second, the changes are actual dog poop. While I can semi understand the 30% gained from inputting a cash out box I completely and whole heartedly disapprove of the decision to remove team wipe penalties. The game mode no longer has any recourse to it and the team on top will remain the team on top in my experience. There is no “coming back” or underdog pulling a last minute clutch that changes the game.

Embark, congratulations cause you’ve completely cut the nuts off of cash out like a junkyard dog. The same mode that made y’all’s game appealing and different is slowly being destroyed by the same people who created it. Sad day.

[grim patrol]

I would like to post here so people see and remember. The changes to Cashout are temporary, it is supposed to be a testing ground to "fix" cashout for season 4 ranked. It will hopefully be reverted in 2 weeks, as much as it needs reverted now.

I petition that they add a way to play regular cashout with the team wipe penalty enabled, they could very easily make it an option like how you can play either ranked or unranked TA.

EDIT: guava if you have something you want to say, don't forget you can always edit your message, it'd hard to keep a conversation here, but not impossible for a simple reply.

[vital crystal]

This 100%
It almost feels like a mole infiltrated EMBARK and just wanted to sabotage the game.

It’s a complete shame what it’s become.

Removing the team wiping has made it become a watered down TDM cod game.

I know it’s “temporary” but you’re going to lose players with this fast. Many people just quit games already because it’s that bad. No point in playing the last 2 minutes of a game now for some teams, and THAT is a problem.

[violet basin]

removing team wipes really didn't fix the third partying problem, I feel like its made things even worse

[quiet frost]

Embark why do I have do I have to go through my wheel twice to equip my rpg now?

[coarse oar]

Make team wipe penalty 10-15% and give the penalty cash to the team that wiped them and or divy it up if two teams had an active part in the wipe

[glossy spire]

This man knows what’s up

[hoary laurel]

I played three games with the update. Just three games and I’m already over it. I don’t like these changes and I agree with @short cedar it seems like a “dog poop” change 😭😭😭

[raw moss]

Embark I’m gonna be real. I don’t know what you’re doing, but I’m finding it harder and harder to keep positive. I keep seeing things that had no issue (like dash) get slapped around while problematic stuff like TK or flammer or stun gun or winch that are genuinely opressive are just left alone. I love that you guys are so open to experimenting, but I feel like at time you experiment as opposed to fixing the genuine issues. This patch feels like a pizza that’s got a burnt crust and there’s like burnt bits throughout it. It’s tasty but those burnt bits just really suck. I think the WT changes were great excluding the wipe removal, I think the 93R wasn’t really buffed in any meaningful way, I think that grapple was buffed but not in a way that really makes it a great option (give it another charge already lol). I think you guys should just sit down for the next few patches and focus on implementing balance stuff the community really wants to be put in, and save the crazy experimental mode reworks and stuff for after you’ve cleaned house.

I also have a suggestion for a throwing knives rework:
6 round mag, 3.5 second reload. Basic throw throws one knife for 60 damage, the knife headshots at 1.5x. Alt fire is the standard two knife throw at 100 body shot damage and it headshots for 190.

I genuinely love this game, but I’m finding it less and less fun to play. Clean house before you start doing crazy renovations, please.

[tulip compass]

This knife rework is cheeks. That weapon change sucks. Anyone dying to the throwing knives is bad. The knives have such a bad ttk literally every weapon kills quicker than them.

[celest oak]

I feel like all these game changes are constantly encouraging light stacking and it’s really buns team decisions that’s letting that happen, more money per kill and no repercussions if they get wiped for playing like a corn dog. I don’t understand how a game that’s decently balanced turns to a game that leans towards what creators use

[gaunt zenith]

Bad take

[short cedar]

It’s like someone is spiking the coffee in their office with some kind of drug that has a side effect of terrible decisions and delusional ideas.
It’s been one thing after the other and they continue to butcher cash out like it means nothing for their game.

It’s sad cause I genuinely enjoy this game but every change makes it harder and harder to continue playing and act like this shit isn’t broken.

[short canopy]

Absolutely well said. The game doesnt feel like itself anymore. My friend group is already bailing on new cashout and switching games. Its not exciting with the new rules

[grim patrol]

Devs can we get some absolutely crushing penalties for regular leavers? like week long bans or full rank demotions like 5k rs lost?

[jade ingot]

yes please, and for world tour too, still way too common

[hasty forum]

50% of cashout value given every over the duration of a cashout. thats it. only change that was needed to fix ALL of you issues with cashout embark. removal of team wipe -30% is an awful decision, giving a straight +30% on cashout start was also a meh decision

[rocky heron]

Is that a bug so event? I am on Xbox, everyone seems now called contestants and are on Xbox

[fierce spoke]

nerf the model 1887. can still shoting even when you get hooked

[teal bear]

I'm not gonna go as far to say if you die to them your bad they can be oppressive but. Honestly now that ive branched out to other classes they don't really feel that strong when they are being used against me. If you can make them miss one throw the ttk of knives goes up drastically.

[bold saffron]

the gateway animations tab is very glitchy, and also for light i can equip 2 inspect animations at the same time for the stun gun and other things but i cant unequip them

[honest barn]

I agree that removing penalty loss is wrong idea. There was always a risk when you fight with someone that you can lose and you can be eliminated because you lose a lot of money. Penalty made you more careful what you are doing. Also a lot of times i liked to try kill strongest team in the game to eliminate them and let pass some weaker teams which is easier for me in the next rounds to win the game(if we are talking ranked mode in previous season). So i think they should get it back and also, add overtime so you need to fight for cashouts to the very end. I lost many time because i lacked like 1 or 0.5 seconds to stole cashout. (sorry for poor english boys, i am lazy to learn it better)

[sharp willow]

removing team wipe penalty removes incentives to actually play the game now all you gotta do is play triple heavy with triple barricade triple dome shield with triple explosive mines on the cashbox

[rapid stream]

Dash nerf was an awful change please revert it

[dusk scarab]

FOX THE SQUARE BUTTON IN TERMINAL LOADING SCREEN ON PLAYSTATION

[warm bluff]

buff winch claw velocity and range, i want to see the world burn

[glacial geyser]

I'm a strong believer that any change to Cashout that changes the 100% cash on completion is a bad decision.
However, I would gladly take your idea over Embark's current decision.

As it stands now, there's no point in defending your cashout, you can deposit and go straight for the next vault.
Even if your cashout gets stolen, you will likely have more than enough time to come back and thirdparty to steal it back.
(and there's no downsides from a teamwipe, so that 30% cash is always secure).

Personally, I think they need to focus on buffing the defending team's capability to defend.
I would do this by giving each class defense-specific buffs that only activate while defending a cashout.
(this is so they're not too powerful in regular teamfights and when stealing)
#👂┇game-feedback message

[tulip compass]

Everyone stop whining. The devs are doing an amazing job. The only mistake I think the devs made was nerfing recoil on the lmgs because for the most part now it’s not super fun to use the weapons on. The game is more balanced than it was in season 2, and by extension much more balanced in season 1. Every class can see success with a variety of builds, gadgets, and weapons. Some need buffs like 93R and Dual Blades but for the most part the game has been getting better.

[young hamlet]

...they removed a core game feature my guy

[feral shell]

The best team is winning more often now and its driving the shitters mad. You cant fluke your way to the next round anymore after getting dominated by the better teams all game. Learn and adapt - the early game matters now finally.

[hollow fiber]

Would be great if the actual cashout took 7 less seconds, displayed the remaining amount of time in seconds, and also activated an 'overtime' if someone is actively changing it (and doesn't let go)

[rugged temple]

93r buff - not enough
Grapple buff - yippee
Medibeam nerf - justified but not super problematic
Dash nerf - not needed
Cashout changes - everything is good except for NO TEAMWIPE PENALTY and 7s steal
Can we actually nerf actual issues like heavy's free win buttons instead of nerfing the weakest class over and over again

[true harness]

Can officially say I've played with the new updates in effect. This is probably the least fun I've had with The Finals since launch. The game doesn't feel anywhere near as competitive now, and our team ended the night way earlier than normal. The 30% wipe penalty needs to come back. (Didn't mean for this to show as a reply.)

[hidden perch]

this is it, fewer fluke steals it allows skill to be judged, hence testing for ranked. agreed the wipe needs to com eback tho, that was a strategic part of qualifying

[hardy scroll]

anyone else think goo is a bit overtuned?

[floral plume]

Hey embark I haven’t gotten my community event skin yet?

[molten sorrel]

can we get linux support back?

[versed hazel]

bro can we please get an option to reroll these god forsaken contracts. I had one last week like this and I hate this mode so much. I am dead ass not playing 9 matches of terminal illness

[proper heron]

You messed with cashout the first time by making TA the ranked mode. Now you mess with cashout even more by changing it entirely. This is the game mode that attracted all of your loyal fans. You keep taking away from what made your game unique. It saddens me. Stop messing with cashout mode.

[quick coyote]

Wallhacks are through the roof right now was there a special

[hollow barn]

Can you please adjust the matchmaking when playing in solo queue. I don't think it's fair in any case that playing in solo queue I get matched with people playing in premade. Not everyone feels like communicating and I can't force my teammates to communicate. The advantage that premade offers is completely crushed and it ends up hurting the experience playing alone.

Please consider this point. Many people quit the game because of things like this. If you want fairer games first start by adjusting the basics.

[charred seal]

@pearl kiln @golden musk That gets worse. Take for example you are on the final cashout of the round if the team who is in 3rd place is cashing out then the teams on the 2nd an 4th will be fighting for the cashout since both of them have a chance to save themselves and in that scenario the team who is 1st will also wanna fight for more money since who does'nt like more money and plus you can advance in the leaderboard easily. Now there is another team who is gonna irritate you cuz even if they get team wiped they have no punishment to loose money. Before teams were careful when 1st position when to go or not unless they are really cracked at the game, but most people are not. Now just jump in try you have nothing to loose. The thing where you get 30% extra for putting the vault in the cashout is a good decision cause that now puts pressure on the teams to start a cashout for extra cash. But the teamwipe thing is bad cause there is no risk factor involved in the game now which was a good thing before and added some sort of thrill to the game. Before people had to use their limited tokens to respawn if 1 teammate was left in order to save money from not getting team wiped now you may as well get team wiped no need for using coins. There is not much thinking involved. Plus even in quick cash there is third party that mode is all about third party but since its a casual mode you dont get team wipe loss or extra money for kills. People should have gotten used to third party from the start because of quick cash and should've considered a possibility of 3rd parties i don't know why they did'nt. But in competitive these changes just makes the mode more casual. This is what I think. Plus getting $500 on each kill is ok even though I'm 50-50 about it but the team wipe loss change in my opinion should get reverted, it just makes competitive more casual. I really love this game and I really want it to succeed this is one of the best FPS games out there.

[warm bluff]

is this some sort of copypasta? 😭 Reading unformated walls of text is hard 😭
I don't think the change to WT made it less strategic by any noticeable amount, team wipes still give you a 20 second penalty which is crucial towards the end of matches.
Overall, I still think there should be atleast some sort of cash penalty for team wipes though.

[modest dew]

no changes to throwing knives really hurts, its still really overtuned and it sucks that it still hasn't been touched at all.

[feral shell]

These cashout changes have nerfed almost all of the benefits of third partying, rewarded starting and defending cashouts, and also increased the skill gap by making the first 2 sets of cashouts matter so much more. No more of the worst team getting some fluke win because they stole while two other teams fought. Not only is cashout is playing sooooo much more competitive now, it feels like the rules now encourage playing the game the way it should've always been played - I couldn't ask for much more.

[whole abyss]

I really like this WT update. I think it is something new and refreshing and now begins to reward players for playing the game. I think the removal of the loss of cash on a wipe makes the game mode feel less strategic than it was before. The lack of a punishment for wiping makes gunfights and positioning and timing, less important than before. I think finding a good middle ground of 15%-20% would be great. The new spawns locations is refreshing. Can't wait to see what is next for WT and the finals.

[buoyant notch]

Throwing this into the echo chamber here, WT changes are great EXCEPT for the wipe penalty change. Perhaps lower it from 30% but it’s way too casual and fixed with no penalty at all. If that was reverted it would be in a great spot.

[fading totem]

Can you please switch it back to the way it was??? This was the best game ever, and now its no fun. Please please please change it back. There is no shame in trying something and failing.... as a developer, I understand the need to try. But, when it fails, you got to admit it and undo the mistake. Nice try, but we liked the game the way it was, and keeping it this way will just drive people away. Please bring it back!

[dense ocean]

let console players able/disable HUD