👂┇game-feedback

[carmine burrow]

Sorry peeps if this is not the appropriate way, first time here and still new to discord despite having it for years.

Quick suggestion: post finishing a game I think it would be rewarding for players to be able to vote for their own teammates and maybe even opposition on how well they’ve performed across multiple categories, similarly to how overwatch does with their voting cards and at the same time you can reward the players with a badge or some sort of ranking with points to indicate how good they are according to other players in that said category, consider it as a badge of honour.

E.g. Vote for the following categories:

• MVP
• Top Support
• Top tank
• top offense
• Best at object focus
• Best environment user

Etc.

Right now, it’s just a screen that you look and you just go “oh cool, look at my stats” and that’s it really.

It would be nice to get recognised for different things each player does in a game than just 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Lastly, why is the scoreboard replicated twice but with a different design? You literally have the same information presented twice post finishing a match or have I missed something?

[worn sigil]

Honestly invis is not the problem, stun was always the problem IMO. Why they nerfed invis makes no sense.

The things they should be concentrating on overall IMO are as follows:

Lights

• buff grapple regen slightly (I'm a grapple main)
• buff snipers damage slightly so I can 1 shot HS Mediums (hate camping snipers but I'm a in your face sniper)
• remove charge from sword & slow swing times (dash Sword users who can hit me 3 times when I can barely shoot 1 sniper shot makes no sense at all)
• improve identifying backstabs with dagger as sometimes it doesn't count as one
• nerf stun (or remove it)

Medium

• nerf FCAR
• nerf APS (or remove it)
• nerf turrets (or remove it)
• add longer cooldown to demat so they can't constantly drop the cashout
• healing overheats slightly faster (so teams of 3 healers can't constantly heal)

Heavy

• buff barricade so it can actually block flamethrowers for example
• buff AntiGrav so it has more health and you can control yourself more effectively in it
• nerf swing radius of hammer or make it slightly slower
• nerf flamethrower damage & afterburn damage
• nerf OG shotty further

Ranked

• give us the lowdown on how positive bars and negatives bars work cuz ATM there's no consistency
• I have no problem with cheaters in my games on PS5 but of course add anti-cheat to help PC out
• improve reconnect feature to install rejoin
• when teammates quit/disconnect, add loss protection so we don't get minus FP or bars
• improve loading times to begin a match and in between rounds
• should show both their id and embark name in recent players so I can find and report people properly
• there's also a bug where the cash box get sticks under the map after you drop it during a fight..

General

• add more customisation to our avatars so we can put ink on both arms for example

Not much but a good start 🤣

[ripe jolt]

Hey there im new! And im a big fan i love the finals And you guys!!!

[foggy orbit]

Rework it so it is more viable with melee weapons, and less viable with ranged weapons. When you play cloak with melee, it requires a lot more skill than compared with ranged weapons because of how close you have to position yourself.

[woven hawk]

Take my stun, take my cloak, give me recon senses pls . Medium's can have sonar back

With recon I feel like Light's can get less disrespect in ranked.

[plain fable]

I second this

[quick coyote]

The spawns are actually fucked, people are constantly spawning into 2 teams fighting at a cash out and we are getting third party, people need to study embark at killing an FPS game omg royal Fumble. Who asked you guys to mess w spawns 3rd team is now constantly spawning on an active shoot out cash out. They dont know what to do with lights, they keep constantly killing off light and then bringing it back

[terse lark]

refusal to nerf fcar in a meaningful way, the nerfs to light, the matchmaking still not being fixed, the huge cheater problem that has been ignored, the devs not listening to good community ideas and feedback, them catering more to the casual gamers that havent been here long and wont stay long is crushing to the health of the game. Devs keep changing things no one wanted changed and doesnt change what everyone wants fixed. I love this game but all the balancing has only made the game worse. I dont want to play this game anymore.
I've been hoping that the next patch will be a good one and fix something meaningfully but that patch just never comes.

[robust swan]

Who realy who thought it easy gonna be an good idea to nerf invis more than 2x then original !?!?! Even vanishing bomb is better now !!

[hard badger]

Yes I find it a good solution, I also gave that feedback here in this channel.

Devs please keep this nerf to cloacked, its way more relaxed to play this game without to get suprised by invisible players!! I like this change a lot

[river plover]

Sword is probably the last thing that needs to get nerfed right now
Removing the charge from sword removes all the skill the weapon has and makes it pretty much useless
if a melee person kills you in melee range faster than you can kill them in melee range, maybe thats the point of the weapon

[slate gull]

Y’all can’t nerf my light build like this lights already the hardest class to play

[inland cove]

I realy like the changes and am looking forward to next update :)

[lavish shard]

Nerf rework stungun thx dev ❤❤

[vale acorn]

Seconded

[unique urchin]

It really should have mouse and keyboard support for consoles, as this is a cross platform game.

[agile canopy]

after this update light really needs 175 hp and grapple could use a decent buff. cloak did need a nerf but it was the only thing keeping light relevant

[quick coyote]

what do we have now for making light unplayable , lets take a small time line check from ob
open beta -> season 2
nerfed v95
ok , that was needed , cus this one was too op in ob , whole tie i played in it , was v95
season 1

nerfed shotgun
do some one remeber when light with it was playable ?
when u can doubletap mids and dt with mele havy ?
when u can actually kill light instantly ?
Damage decreased from 12 to 10 damage per pellet
and know what ? dat was fun -> killed ✅

Cloaking Device
Increased activation cost from 1s to 2s
Increased minimum required charge time to activate from 1.5s to 2.5s

Stun Gun
Decreased duration of stun effect from 5s to 3.75s

season 2

Vanishing Bomb
Increased grace period on teammates from 0.75s to 1.25s
Increased total cloaked duration on teammates from 6s to 7.5s
Increased total cloaked duration on the user from 5s to 6s

Glitch Grenade
Reduce the duration of glitch effect from 10s to 5s

Cloaking Device
Increased the activation cost from 14.2% to 33%.

Cloaking Device
Increased the activation cost from 14.2% to 33%.

🫡 U ARE HERE🫡

Sniper damage redused to 115 to 75 or hs multipler from x2 to 1.5 / 1.75
v95 damage redused back from 36 to 35
submuchines rpm decreaced by 10%
cloaking device cost per use from 33% to 50%
cloaking device removed from the game
light class no longer in the game

❌ PLAY ON CLASS WHAT EMBARK WANT U TO PLAY , NOT ONE YOU 🫵🏿 WANT TO PLAY❌

[vagrant crown]

my game crashed when i was in rank and game banned me again,its not my problem tho

[ornate hemlock]

This game will be dead because of cheaters. Like CS2

[clear timber]

Honestly I think just some testing before hand would fix this issue, putting out a soft patch to see where things are in terms of playability would be a good change and reverting or tweaking the changes as needed

[plain jolt]

Quick question. Is the game officially playable on linux ?

[floral reef]

I wanted to ask about the heal gun glitch, where you can’t use it for the entirety of a game. Does anyone else have this problem, and why haven’t I seen any videos about this? It’s killed multiple games for me and my friends, so I tried looking online as to why, and if there’s a way to get through it, but I don’t see a thing about it on YouTube. Yesterday it happened 3x to my friend trying to complete the heal challenge on pro circuit, and a few days prior I got it 5x in a row.

[plain lotus]

Such an unfortunate turnout for this game.

[quick coyote]

Hahaha I haven't played this game in over a month but I can't believe the devs are still nerfing everything under the sun.

What a bunch of idiots lmfao

[brave copper]

Update is going to be shit because it follows the same trend as most of the bad updates. That trend is, constantly adjusting the game so that medium increasingly stands out as the best class.

Mesh nerf... fine ig. Stun gun, maybe deserves some negative attention but you didn't even do that yet. Instead you nerf cloak when I'm pretty sure the only people who don't know how to detect it are brand new to the game or listening to music while they play.

Meanwhile, medium gets love and no negative attention whatsoever. Meta is all about defibs, heals and sheilds and you nerf light and even let us know more nerfs are coming in a week...

If you make cloak more visible next week, light goes straight back in the bin it was barely crawling out of this season. It will literally make you more detectable than not being invisible because of the extra noise it adds.

[dull elm]

a good change to invis is making it a lot more visable but giving light a speed boost when active

[thick sorrel]

same

[echo panther]

nerfing the stun gun im completly fine with but bashing cloak like this at least give lights something back in return by buffing grapple or dash cloak was the only thing that was viable in ranked

[sweet light]

More of a quality of life thing, but I think that the ability to turn off the "auto-tracking" for melee weapons should be an option; sometimes, when I am trying to attack on enemy, it locks onto another enemy nearby, often making me spin around and miss my hit.

[light river]

Stfu talking shit, game is full of cheaters. You're either one of them, or your an embark dev. Troll

[zenith scarab]

Stop nerfing everything to the ground, start buffing the other specializations or counterparts, PLEASE
If people complain so much about invis is because the medium and the heavy dont have any counters for it, give them the sonar grenade, make the footsteps louder, stuff like that, dont throw it into the trash like always

[thin lintel]

6 crashes and 1 pc restart today! What the hell!

[wind gulch]

Excited to try the KS changes, happy to hear I might actually break a mesh shield for all the rounds I dump into em. Glad to hear cloak adjustments are coming, it's been weird wondering if I coulda spotted that guy with a better GPU 😆

[worn sigil]

Fair enough, I guess it's because I get stunned beforehand then they get free hits on me, so my problem still lies with the stun! 🤣

[jaunty rivet]

Brother id say 3-4 of those clips are just you getting beamed bro not hackers one of them do look sus tho

[shy cape]

please make reporting useful... 😢
I can't play this game with so many cheaters

[mystic briar]

Valid

[oak flame]

Fmas Damage buff
it's currently not worth using over the other assault rifles
(don't nerf the other ones just buff the fmas plz)

[drifting pawn]

feature request: save our game report history, similar to overwatch. let us look back at our last few games (or all of them, why not? it's nothing but text being stored). show the date and time and the full stats from the match. maybe even let us drill down into deeper details and see things like how many kills/deaths we had against each enemy.

i don't see how anyone could say the game performs terribly. holding 120+ fps steady, completely maxed at 3440x1440. granted, 14900k + 4080 super, but still. 3440x1440.

[smoky gust]

It can be pretty annoying when a heavy cheeses survival with the mesh shield

But nerfing its hp was not the right thing imo
They can still cheese, just less
Meanwhile it punishes those actually trying to protect the team

I would revert its max hp, but make it deploy at ~20-30% of its max hp

If they try to deploy it in the middle of a fight it will easily go down

Meanwhile those using it to help the team get their max hp back, they just have to let it "regenerate" before engaging in a team fight, introducing a little bit of skill with timing it
(Maybe increase regen a bit, with a longer delay after being shot at, to make that last part easier?)

Thoughts?

[teal minnow]

hmmm looks like somebody is mad

[nova veldt]

FIX HAMMERS NO ANIMATION SWINGS

[glossy scaffold]

Add a thing to show how many people are in queue for ranked, similar to apex

[wicked dragon]

Games filled with cheaters, ranked is kinda broken, lights health is equivalent of a hair, depleteing playerbase and lack of marketing
Embark: Let's nerf a completely fine specialization. And destroy the already weak as fuck light class.

[storm edge]

can anyone help me it is impossible for me to launch a ranked tournament the party search lasts continuously

[storm salmon]

I swear you guys at embark are insanely good at patching your own game into its death. Since the launch you've mostly just nerfed shit at every corner, doing what the few loud wining kids in discord cry for. Light is going to be weak as fuck again. You have taken out most unique and fun aspects of the game simply through nerfing them away.

All while the game is filled with cheaters and losing players left and right. And with every single one of those patches player count dropped, as if you are not learning from it.

The game was performing ~ 30% better at launch in terms of CPU usage, was less cheater infested and decently balanced. Every class used to have something extremely strong. Now it just became a never ending cycle of nerfs after nerfs.

Player count as low as Amazon's total fuckup new world speaks a lot. Focus on the important aspects or the game is dead in less than a year, which would be really sad to see

If you disagree: Have a look at steamcharts and tell me it's not dieing lmao

[young minnow]

Maybe send a ticket

[ionic rampart]

cope and seethe

[foggy orbit]

What your describing sounds like something that should be given to dash after each dash.

@dull elm no, give dash the speed boost, not invis too, just leave invis alone, if you're going to make invis visible to the point where it makes no difference to use, why would anyone ever take it? it's meant to allow you to be stealthy and position well, but the reason it needs to be changed is because how aggressively it can be used. Invis should be more defensive where dash should be more offensive, and grapple should be a middle ground of being defensive and offensive.

[lime lichen]

Buff revolver please, increase it's range and give it 1 more damage per shot, makes its damage falloff start at 40m instead of 20m and make it's falloff cap 80m instead of 40m

[strange plover]

Ngl this is gonna start a lot of angry comments but the changes to light today is sandbox balancing going in the right direction. Very pleased with this update embark, keep em coming!

[echo panther]

medium should also have had some readjustments at least aps or fcar

[glass fjord]

couldnt disagree more. light hasnt been viable in ranked for more than 5 days since launch, and its still getting nerfed. zero iq "balancing" again.

[terse lark]

nerf fcar firerate and revert recoil chane (so it isnt so powerful at close range so it actually has a weakness)
revert cloak nerf (it didn't need a nerf)
buff dash (make it more like a tracer blink)
buff grapple hook (give it more range)
rework stun so it isnt as oppessive
nerf barrier (it has too much health)
buff revolver range
increase pellet spread on medium shotgun and nerf damage slightly (making shots easier to hit while not having it too strong bc it does way too much damage)
decrease aps turret health
fix healbeam bug

PLEASE fix matchmaking and get a better anticheat (too many cheaters especially in higher ranks)

[ionic tusk]

If the next skinn for the gass grenade i find in the item shop dosent look like this i'm quitting the finals

[dull elm]

so you want dash and invis for one ability? i like the idea of being faster in invis, makes me feel like the predator
( @raw rune not recon but the thermal vision, i cant wait for the predator builds if this actualy gets added)

[sacred siren]

None of these look like cheating lmao. You don't even show the player after. Only way to consistently tell if people are cheating is if they start snapping, spinning, or hs from across the map. Other times, more than likely, it boils down to a skull issue.
Now I'm not saying there's no cheaters but this ain't it

[mystic briar]

are you generally trolling cuz clip 2,3 seems insanely legit

[formal walrus]

what a beautiful morning! im so happy they are nerfing stun gun

[teal marsh]

resisting the urge to complain and deciding to be almost purely constructive! All I’m gonna say is I hope we return to focusing on real sandbox changes and don’t linger on making cloak and mesh less usable(which is the only balance changes they have ever gone through instead of actual alterations to how other things interact with them or even just making cloaked players more damn visible when moving). Here are some proposed sandboxy changes:
Riot shield as a surface for gadgets, swapping off the shield destroys them.
Charge and Slam gains damage and piercing ability from height. Higher fall = more surfaces you can slam through without stopping, more final damage.
Allow explosive canisters to carry weight like early season 1 and not spin out immediately. Along with this change, reduce the damage done by attached explosive gadgets. Since it’s clear we can detect when a gadget is attached to an explosive (seen with the changes to trajectory of explosive canisters and the charge time of C4 when attached to any carriables), this is the best option to keep a great functionality while not allowing it to dominate due to sheer lethality (what c4 should have gotten in the first place)
Allow grapple hook to be used on players. Lights are pulled to the user, mediums are kept stationary, heavies work as typical surfaces. for lights and mediums however, the effect lasts a very short time—1 to 3 seconds at most.

honestly doubt and don’t really care that this stuff won’t be implemented but would really love to hear that changes are on the way for these things🫡

[sinful osprey]

Instead of stun gun cancelling cashout stealing, it could slow down the stunned player, and make it take longer to capture cashout for the duration of the stun guns shot

[fossil obsidian]

Why when you buy a pass, when it runs out, you can't get the clothes that you expected to get from it, okay, if it was free, but why when I paid for it, I lose the opportunity to get the purchased content is nonsense.

With ranked games, the funny thing is that when you win a tournament you get 3 arrows in the silver 2 rank, then my friends and I immediately took and won a new tournament and got only a promotion to silver 1 without arrows, which is very strange. Then we won in 3 rounds and were eliminated, again we got 3 arrows, somehow it is not equivalent for the wins.

And benches with shadow maps when you look from a light building to a dark street and you can't see a damn thing even with a brightness of 100. And running along the night streets is very dark and it sucks to see dark characters.

[radiant imp]

Add the ability to buy individual items from store packs (by @radiant imp and @shy token)

What we propose is that the option to buy individual items is made available to not only increase sales of cosmetics but also satisfaction with customisation within and with the game itself.

You could still make it viable by using a method of (i.e pack multibucks cost ÷ items in bundle = individual price) this would allow a lot of people to pick and choose what they want to customise their character with, in a game with as much customsation as this already has, it just makes sense.

It would also give you a metric on what items are most popular and which aren't and invest more time and energy into making similar items perhaps to maximise capital.```

[shy token]

Add the ability to buy individual items from store packs (by @shy token and @radiant imp)

What we propose is that the option to buy individual items is made available to not only increase sales of cosmetics but also satisfaction with customisation within and with the game itself.

You could still make it viable by using a method of (i.e pack multibucks cost ÷ items in bundle = individual price) this would allow a lot of people to pick and choose what they want to customise their character with, in a game with as much customsation as this already has, it just makes sense.

It would also give you a metric on what items are most popular and which aren't and invest more time and energy into making similar items perhaps to maximise capital.```

[vocal rampart]

The Pyro Grenade could do with a buff. I'd suggest giving it a faster-deploy/quick-throw compared to the over grenades to make up for it's weak damage.

[muted raptor]

Day 1 of asking for throwing knives not to be neglected 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[abstract ledge]

PLEASE make the game CHEAP but NOT FREE, i cant stand this amount of cheaters and even the No.1 best anti cheat of all time wont handle a FREE game
this is f frustrating

@plush solstice no light will kill the medium first, what you are saying seem like a skill issue
i am a medium main but i play both as heavy and light a fair amount too and im dominating people with light LH1 with grapple so my advice to you is GET BETTEr

[plush solstice]

Lemme put this into prospective for embark:
If a light and a medium stand facing eachother (in a private match for testing purposes) at a close range. Both ADS and aim at chest for one test, and head for another test. Let’s use M11 and AK for example. The medium will kill the light first both times before the light even does half their health (more if headshots, but still not enough). So light guns just don’t compare in damage, making them immediately the worst class as they can’t kill fast enough for having an overwhelmingly lower health pool. (Yes there’s specializations, etc) but you (Embark) decides to nurf the most used ability by lights as the other 2 options don’t have any play in high elo (plat+ with all the hackers that are ignored and not fixed). So I ask why nurf cloak when it’s primarily used by casuals in CASUAL game modes, not competitive by a overwhelming %, light does not need nurfs, it needs balancing of guns, I’m not for 100% buffing light either, I think stun gun should just be removed or reduce the distance of use to 5m or less. As well as nurfing gateway. The REAL issues making lights feel unstoppable, not a cloak nurf? Balancing is so lackluster from Embark currently. I hope at some point yall release graphs and stats about what’s being used in each game mode (for example how Ironmace used to release pages and pages of stats to the public so we could ALL work together to balance the game). Hopefully that all made sense lol

[obsidian imp]

day 10000001 of lights asking for something to be done with all their silly little pointy things

[drifting gorge]

Hey why are these like actually good suggestions that would improve the game and make it more creative instead of bitching 🤔

[nova veldt]

Every game its either 3 v 6-9, 3 teams ALWAYS get spawned near cashout A, while 1 team chills scratching their balls on cashout B.

[craggy jackal]

this cloak nerv is so bad. flow of light is destroyed. pressing cloak button and nothing happens. that nerv is the worst shit. good players with fast reactions get punished. quitting the game 🙂

[deft moth]

not a real light player anyway

[grizzled hornet]

[spare cape]

Still getting beamed as a light especially in diamond ranked. The invis the nerf literally did nothing but make it less fun to play with & especially in diamond lobbies don’t even get me started this update makes no sense and 10x less fun as it used to be jus went against a heavy 3 stack I’m actually done with this game. Yes let’s nerf the worst class in the game while everything like heal beam dome shieldxMesh shield for a heavy with 350 health still dominates. Absolutes makes no sense too many good shooters out there for me to stay with this. Still don’t even have haptic/adaptive trigger support for ps5 or 120hz support for ps or Xbox which is crazy seeing how big of a player base console has with this game. I’ll be back next season maybe but nah without haptics and light being dead there’s no reason to play this game getting melted by other classes.

[glacial salmon]

Just make the stun gun a hold-release mechanic. Hold the trigger for 1 second then release so people can't just flick shot emergency stuns. Like the plasma pistol in Halo

Gives Lights a skill-cap using it and other classes a chance to respond faster.

[quick coyote]

Let you be able to hold the long attack of the Throwing Knives and able to hold the Dagger backstab attack like it was in the Open Beta.

[flat anvil]

I’m just here to give my feedback about the recent light invis changes. Perspective from a med/light main (I like to go fast ok it’s more fun than -movement speed on heavy) I actually really like how we can’t spam the invis during combat. However the unforgiving news and possibly even further invis changes down the line (suspected to be visible when standing still) I feel like a lot of other classes have far better abilities now such as goo gun, mediums ability to phase through walls at will, and some other while light now only has dash which can be difficult for casual players to use.
I feel like if invis was buffed along with the nerf it would have been fair
Buffs I thought would make it a bit more fair. The gauge now decreases at a slightly lowers rate giving some more freedom to people using the specialized ability. Or to increase the gauge from the current 12 second to something like 15 second or something.
Also please for the love of god don’t need invis then next patch nerf the shit out of stun gun with no give back

[zinc haven]

Light was the least buffed class of contestants and is the one class that gets needlessly debuffed: glitch nades, stun gun, cloak. debuffing cloak is fair enough, but glitch nades should disable aps, stun gun should deal damage. no less.

[quick coyote]

My guy those changes got nerfed because it was the most buffed class 💀

[indigo folio]

They’ll keep killing their own game if all they do is nerf nerf nerf. I’m not a fan of over nerfing a game for the sake of balance. Balancing is important but if you just suck the fun out of every build, people will move to something else.

[sinful gazelle]

💯

[violet vigil]

all ive heard is complaining about mesh shield nerf from heavy mains, and complaining about cloak nerf from light mains

[wheat gull]

It baffles me how much the Medium and Heavy mains whine about light when its the weakest class in the game. Stun gun does NOT need a nerf, half of the time when you stun a Medium or Heavy your just gonna lose the fight cause Hipfire is crazy accurate in this game. IMO Invis usage wasn't a problem it just needed its visibility fixed. Yes Im a light main and I have like 300 hours in Light and I can tell you now Invis and Stun is not as broken as they make it sound. I just really think they need to bring lights health up to 200 and heavy down to 300. This would still allow heavys to do 90% of lights health relatively quickly, just makes it so heavys dont have DOUBLE the lights health.

[quick coyote]

what do we have now for making light unplayable , lets take a small time line check from ob
open beta -> season 2
nerfed v95
ok , that was needed , cus this one was too op in ob , whole tie i played in it , was v95
season 1

nerfed shotgun
do some one remeber when light with it was playable ?
when u can doubletap mids and dt with mele havy ?
when u can actually kill light instantly ?
Damage decreased from 12 to 10 damage per pellet
and know what ? dat was fun -> killed ✅

Cloaking Device
Increased activation cost from 1s to 2s
Increased minimum required charge time to activate from 1.5s to 2.5s

Stun Gun
Decreased duration of stun effect from 5s to 3.75s

season 2

Vanishing Bomb
Increased grace period on teammates from 0.75s to 1.25s
Increased total cloaked duration on teammates from 6s to 7.5s
Increased total cloaked duration on the user from 5s to 6s

Glitch Grenade
Reduce the duration of glitch effect from 10s to 5s

Cloaking Device
Increased the activation cost from 14.2% to 33%.

Cloaking Device
Increased the activation cost from 14.2% to 33%.

🫡 U ARE HERE🫡

Sniper damage redused to 115 to 75 or hs multipler from x2 to 1.5 / 1.75
v95 damage redused back from 36 to 35
submuchines rpm decreaced by 10%
cloaking device cost per use from 33% to 50%
cloaking device removed from the game
light class no longer in the game

❌ PLAY ON CLASS WHAT EMBARK WANT U TO PLAY , NOT ONE YOU 🫵🏿 WANT TO PLAY❌

[hard badger]

I played for 2 hours today and encountered none. Tho I didnt play ranked x)
@light river I mean not everyone that is better then you is a cheater...
And I am not saying there arent cheaters but its not that much

[light river]

Another dev another troll another cheater.

[wet dragon]

This games balancing is in a nerf downward spiral. Soon there won’t be a single fun thing to use. Just an endless variety of lame, ineffective, and downright not fun stuff to use.

[teal minnow]

Yes I am Oscar the community leader of THE FINALS and a cheater isn't that right @pearl kiln ?
@hard badger facts

[somber patrol]

Yeah game turning into Siege like crap where every gun shoots plastic and have a recoil of a .50BMG

[drowsy field]

All W changes except glitch (i play light and invis stun crutch andys are out of control)

[shadow spear]

my brother has been able to with good performance

[frosty wagon]

I keep getting a glitch where the loading screen will stay forever, even after a game has started

[sinful osprey]

Ummmmmm leaning when???? 🙏🏻

[copper lark]

buff weak stuff plz

[fervent vortex]

I know you guys don’t check this anymore but thanks for making the ambassador program, I appreciate you guys finally listening to comp players

[muted ingot]

nerf cheaters pls they are too strong atm

[uneven prism]

devs just want lights and mediums to play the game or what they killed c4 then lewis now mesh and this will continue as they are just blindly listening to the community and not putting a single ounce of their own brain

[eternal kayak]

Thank you for the light changes! Now cloak won’t be as much of a crutch for the skill-less. Players who can’t do well as a light without cloak were crutching and that’s why they’re the only ones mad.

[vocal rampart]

The Smoke Grenade should detonate on impact and give a small physics push like the smoke canisters do. This would make them way more valuable/viable. Thanks for your consideration.

[wary storm]

still cheaters, still issues with ranked and matching making, still constant weekly nerfs making the game dull af. no need to nerf every week

[teal marsh]

For the most recent changes:
I’m only gonna say stun gun has been fine and is only exacerbated by the communication problems in most casual games where you’re met by dead silence, left behind by your team and subsequently blindsided and assassinated. In any game with real team coordination the efficacy of stun gun goes down a lot because it’s not a free pick anymore.
I think the game would be better off in the immediate future with more sandbox changes to deal with some problems and not just making mesh shield and invis usable less often.

As long as standing still makes you completely silent and invisible, an easy change to cloaking device that has been pitched probably many times now is simply making the user more visible when moving (than they currently are), which has always been the main component when it comes to losing light players. Not seeing it coming is mainly just due to audio issues, most of the time I don’t hear a cloaked player nearby it’s because basically any other noise came up and completely drowned it out. also, counters do exist. For all the complaining about invis stun I’ve seen exactly 1 heavy using motion sensor since the start of season 2. Not many lights run sonar grenade or tracking dart either.
For mesh shield, **projectiles going through the shield completely (as in passing through the mesh like it was air) **would be an easy and strong change that keeps glitch nades the premier option but prevents other team compositions with different loadouts not always needing to empty their magazines or really just give up if using not-bullet type weapons. The meta setups have never cared about mesh shield nearly as much as all offmeta has, and these changes realistically still don’t do much for them on that front—not nearly as much as for the options already strong against mesh

[paper hare]

Why do they tweak mesh and cloak all the time when they are both easy to deal with

[fierce bolt]

Whats your guys opinion on the new ranked system? I think its worse than s1.

[deft moth]

dont forget to increase their thickness!/Density!

[fair osprey]

alright can't play the patch but basically the only things I can say about this patch is
Nice buffs
Dumb nerfs
I hope you give Lights some buffs when the next patch is coming out since you're going to stack them with like 3 or 4 nerfs, even though they're still the worse class lol

[strange plover]

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Have a great day!

[clear timber]

Real

[earnest owl]

I joined this discord and waited out the chat timer just to say this. This game is very quickly becoming unplayable. I average 170-200mb/s. Every. Single. Game is unplayable. This game ran absolutely fine at launch. Low ping and zero packet loss, but whatever they're doing with the servers or the optimization breaks the game more and more beyond repair. For reference, I am in North America and those are the servers I play on. I haven't run into a single game in the past 2 weeks that hasn't included ridiculous ping/packet loss, and my connection speeds have tested out fine. Every other game is fine. The fact the devs keep adding pointless mechanics/cosmetics/gamemodes, which no one is going to buy or play anyways, with careless disregard to the actual ingame performance. I love this game and still find myself playing constantly despite these issues, but if something is not done to address this god awful performance, I will have to stop playing entirely. This is absolutley tragic and I hope for just once the devs will fix something that actually needs to be fixed. Optimize. Your. Game. It is virtually unplayable.

[atomic lava]

love the update, thank you embark

[terse lark]

stop killing light class. cloak activation cost does nothing except make using it feel worse, if you wanted cloak to be more fair then decrease the amount of time you can stay invis.

[ionic rampart]

i think it would be cool to get a proper april fools patch next year with tons of completely wacky balance changes that somehow make melee weapons meta

[hard badger]

Someone wrote on ottr his video about the nerfs of invisible and next update stun gun: As a light player, thank god theyre nerfing invis and stun gun. Both are anti-fun and cheap yet the only means of being viable. With these out o the way the devs can actually buff apects of lights that are fun such as dash, grapple, meleee weapons etc..

Personnaly I find the nerfs good as it was to cheap to suprise somebody who doesnt use cloack (half the time you dont hear or see a invis because other noises or shooting and he pops up in front of u frying you... It was way to strong. (believe me I played nothing else before then light invis and stun xD. I just think the devs need to buff light class health that would change a lot (so they have more survivability.

@distant crane I have 300 hours on the game and thats not true. You cant see people from 20m, what are you talking about xD? And there are enough times you are shooting on others and didnt see light pass by. Hence yesterday I was playing with a teammate and I was dead and spectating him he walked straight at people and people couldnt see him or didnt attack him, so youre wrong about that... And Oscar is playing this game as well and he reports to them so youre also wrong about that. Stop spreading false things please!!!

[summer rune]

Is there any updates on performance related issues? Still having problems with fps since season 1

[silent cargo]

I think you guys have constantly listened mostly to the community and keep patching the game for the better without massively changing the game thank you for that.

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@waxen bear like the crust of the loaf of bread?

[waxen bear]

Devs we need the Bread Barricade skin. Also baguette sword

[distant crane]

People who complain about cloack and stun gun have a skill issue, invis is pretty visible when moving even from 20m, stun guns doesn't make a free kill as well, just learn how to aim properly. I'm not even a light main but i swear dev doesn't play their own game and listen to casual who doesn't understand what they are doing. Game dying sadly, while they had gold in the hands

[oak pike]

This is bottom tier bait. Try harder.

[jovial viper]

lots of mad cuz bad in this community sadly

[zenith prawn]

What about QUICK STEAL specialization for light? Cloak esp. +stungun annoys people (as light main I agree its a bit cheesy), so why not replace it entirely with smth cool and useful for the team, that makes light more valuable for ranked? Steal was 6 seconds, so make it 3-4 with this. It compensates lights small health pool while stealing, makes for more team utility and cloak doesnt have to be annoying or nerfed until unusable. Kinda like with recon senses, that woked pretty good imho. Dematerializer isn´t even weaker, but way less gamebreaking and annoying...

[errant violet]

Since the last update from today, the game performance it's a lot worse

[wet dragon]

I play all classes.*
Slowly but surely every fun weapon, gadget, or ability I use no matter what the class is, is being nerfed into oblivion.

Every single item that felt good to use, now doesn’t feel good and every single item that felt horrible to use still feels horrible.

Why do you refuse to buff weapons, gadgets, or abilities that aren’t fun and instead choose to endlessly nerf until nothing is fun to use anymore? Really disheartening to see.

[worn sigil]

@zenith prawn I ninja defuse as a light all the time, I just think light needs slightly more health regen

[proven parcel]

im invader

[naive sundial]

The cost of invisibility being 30 percent will remove some ways it could've been used , basically you're better off not using invis if it's lower than 50 percent , because even at 50 after activation it'll go to 20 which ends very quickly , basically it's best to just use it when it's full or it's rather above 70%, only in certain (less) situations now it may be useful when below 60,
Maybe the activation cost going to a number like 20 or even 22-23 would be better than 30

[tawdry owl]

I think reactive skins would be cool. Guns that change and animate with your kill count and other stuff like a defibrillator that reacts to how many revives you have.

Also maybe a healing grenade? Like the invisibility grenade but anyone in it gets healed like 100 hp. idk how this would affect the balance of the game but its a cool idea.

[waxen tinsel]

As a medium main I can say that recent update to light was unnecessary, it can be anoying - YES! but I think it did synergize well with other classes, sometimes changing the outcomes of teamfights by using skill. Cloak and stungun are powerful tools in a right hands, please devs reconsider your decision( I think 20% reduction would be fair for cloak users, not 33%), I also felt like the game had rock-paper-scissors felling with all classes balance at 2.3.0 patch, since then spawns were altered in a bad way(constant 3rd party) and unnecessary nerfs were in place, hope some of the devs reads this 🙂

[teal minnow]

BUFF SH1900 , BUFF THROWING KNIFE AND DAGGER , NERF FCAR ,NERF FCAR , NERF FCAR , NERF FCAR , NERF FCAR , NERF FCAR , NERF FCAR , NERF FCAR , NERF FCAR , Add something that prevents player on the same team use the same specs , weapons and gadgets. THIS IS ALL THE THINGS THE GAME NEEDS RIGHT NOW PLEASE EMBARK READ THIS AND GET THOSE PLAYER COUNTS UP IN THE SKY ,I STILL HOPE AND PRAY FOR THIS GAME EVERYDAY

[spiral thorn]

Unpopular opinion: They're doing too much to make the light easier to handle, it doesn't sound effective in gameplay anymore, not many used it in high ranked games due to how easy it is to kill but Embark is just making it worse slowly and slowly.

Also, nerfing the heavies mesh shield was unnecessary as now I cant cover my teammates effectively anymore seeing as it drains faster than before.

[clever minnow]

Love the latest nerfs, now remove the stun gun and that'll take care of the worst part of the game, keep up Embark you rule!

[urban mango]

buff the performance as well, runs like shit

[sharp summit]

HEAR ME OUT: the barricade from heavy should have 3 DIFFERENT OPTIONS that you can change with right click. NUMBER 1: a wider barricade with more plates that extend to the side. NUMBER 2: a higher barricade that has a roof on top so you can use it to protect yourself from damage that comes from above or climb it to reach previous unreachable heights. NUMBER 3: a thicker barricade that's short and slim but has bigger health.

[vocal rampart]

A nice buff for light class would be to allowing vaulting without interrupting reloads.

[paper hare]

I think they need to stop worrying about balance and make sure everything is FUN to use. All these nerfs and changes have been really lame lately. It's okay for something to be sub optimal if it's satisfying, but focus on game feel instead of balance. Everybody THINKS they care about balance, but they don't.

[regal ferry]

make battlepass way longer, it only takes like two weeks to complete

[silver forge]

Reduce Ranked to 3 rounds. This will make matchmaking far quicker and hopefully better match players. Plus shorter games will be nice.

Consider some form of role locking, the easiest suggestion would be forcing HML and maybe add a role queue similar to Overwatch for soloQ players.

I would much rather we allow duplicate classes but lock weapons, gadgets and specs. You can have two heavies, but only one can run SA12, Mesh, RPG etc and the other will have to use the other options. This will force more variety and could better showcase what weapons or gadgets need to get a buff to compete in the meta. This will suck for SoloQ players though, that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

I think a lot of people get mad about mesh shield and stuff like that because you can stack them. One mesh shield is easy to deal with, two? Same with healing gun, defib, stun gun etc. Most of this is usually fine on it's own but as soon as there's two or even three, it gets annoying to deal with.

[wary tapir]

cloak is now useless lmao

[proven sinew]

Yall are killing the game by nerfing everything, better to buff the shitty gadgets/abilities/weapons instead of just making everything harmless and lowering the skill ceiling every patch. Why always listen to the whining part of the community that will never try to learn to counter some playstyles anyway?

[unreal fossil]

I've read people all day long saying Lights could only hold their own with CD/stun gun. It's only an honest statement if you think it was BS that the class had to depend on such a cheesy/annoying gimmick to be relevant. In which case, I agree. Otherwise, you're just whining because the stupid gimmick that made you think you were good got nerfed.

Personally, I like the idea that Lights could have quicker health regen, and/or revive team mates faster, and/or capture cashouts faster than M/H, to make up for the nerfs.

These could give Lights a more defined, teamplay oriented role, by steering it away from the solo hunter/flanker/sniper role. And it would remain balanced by the fact that they can die so quickly. So they could only make efficient use of their speed if supported/protected by the team.

[zinc haven]

this 'balancing' is no balancing. aps is an example of an obvious issue. it is ignored. instead, mesh shield is debuffed. due to positions of players with 40 hours play time? due to data? it just shows that the quality of the game is not expressed in the quantity of positions and information.

[idle geyser]

Mesh did not need a heavy nerf. It was fine as is and not hard to burn through by shooting. With 750hp it basically takes 2 clips of a scar to break, what’s the point even then?

[zenith scarab]

and nerf the fcar

[summer girder]

Invisibility just needed to be more visable when moving around not take more still gonna be just as broken

[solemn dew]

stop talking shit

[analog spoke]

why i never find a match after update in asia server my rank platinum4

[gusty wagon]

this. more stuff should be buffed instead of stuff being nerfed all the time. data reshaper buff is welcome, good buff. but nerfin heavies and lights is crazy considering they’re the lowest picked already

[drifting gorge]

Words from my top 500 friend

[frail wave]

Add the countdown when you find match to be able to be heard when you're alt tabbed

[atomic lava]

nahh light invis+stun and lh1 was so op, i switched as medium main to light for soloQ up to diamond 😄 light needs this nerfs, either invis or stun gun. light should be a class for players with strong mechanics/movement, invis does not fit in there. its just braindead xD

[dark willow]

Just remove stun and invis👍👍

[pseudo breach]

Day 22 of asking to put map rotation on a timer for casual. Really sick of getting Horizon and or Vegas 90% of the time.

Also, can we please get South African servers?

[abstract ledge]

skill issue
light is a super fast non-chase-able class
dude im killing heavies with 1 mag only as a light class while using the weapon you said M11 so
you are not heavy nor medium you are a super fast small character and YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED to attack enemies or show yourself IF THEY ARE LOOKING AT YOU, you need to be as sneaky as possible EVEN with sniper rifle
if you are NOT plaing the playstyle YOU SHOULD yet you complaining why .... thats just skill issue my brother
if you dont know how to play light well... dont

[terse lark]

invis is not difficult to detect, you can hear it and see it within 15 meters, the nerf to cloak was a brain dead change by the devs to get the casuals to stop crying for it to be nerfed. stun needs the nerf, it is stupid strong in the lower ranks. Light needs something else to give them better synergy with their team whether its a new specialization or gadget. They need something to make then viable in ranked.
also to minimize frustration with invis give mediums access to the sonar grenade again. After they removed sonar and recon from medium more players have been frustrated with invis lights.
Embark devs please do something to help your game's balance be in a healthy state

[proven parcel]

Only bad players complain about stun and invis. Even so buff other abilities and give us other good options. Even with the nerfs everyone is still gonna be using the same gear. Everything that has been meta is still meta embark. BUFF LOW PICKRATE ABILITIES AND GUNS AND STOP NERFING THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY BALANCED.

[potent wraith]

Everyone here and from reddit is saying nerf this, nerf that. The game is gonna become COD by the time devs stop listening to you. C4, shotgun, rpg, dome, fcar, defib, v9s, invis, stun, glitch nerfs and for what? The game was fun in open beta, even with the nukes. Every class had something OP and it was OK. Why listen to feedback from players who just wanna play casual TDM?

Really wish the devs just reverted the last 20 balance updates and stopped listening to feedback at this point.

[wicked dragon]

Just remove the light class at this point Embark. I loved you but you failed us all today. Only keep thinking about a bunch of medium/heavy casuals who don't know how to counter and only whine 👍 👍
(Just deleted the game, have to take break at this point. I'll keep in touch though, if they don't revert the changes to light by next week I'm gone forever from this game)

[sudden tangle]

Same here. I'm outta here. The finals bout to hit 10k concurrent players.

[grizzled canopy]

Day 14 of asking Embark for some medieval bundles

[lyric valve]

Nerfing Mesh to 750 HP is ridiculous , Medium main saying this . Wish they would not listen to just the bronzes and silvers

[outer root]

Seriously, stop listening to the bronze crybabies that complain about a gun just because they can't defend themselves and hire some top players that understand the game and how to balance it. Maybe buff some underpowered things instead of increasing the TTK every update and finally, remove PC from console crossplay.

[shut cosmos]

It’s clear that embark is just listening to the vocal minority and lowest common denominator players. It’s great they’re listening but you’re taking the feedback of low skill players that cry the loudest. Can’t get 11 kills to complete a challenge? Let’s cry about it and make embark change it. Can’t win a single tournament? Better stomp my feet to make sure embark changes it. Can’t learn to play the game with teammates or use hip fire? Better cry about how broken lights are.

The people crying the loudest are just going to find something new to complain about or move on to a different game anyways. Embark, I appreciate you listening to feedback but my god… sometimes “skill issue” is the correct response.

[bold blaze]

They should put Bronze-Silver, Silver-Gold and Platinum -Diamond together or something else ... I feel like I am never even going to reach Gold ... It's a joke this new ranking system!

[regal ferry]

make the cashout timer pause when being stolen
Mesh should have 1000 hp
Cloak should last longer

[dark laurel]

Fix ur fucking game, i just low 3 arrow while playing unranked and got a ban of ranked for 10 minute ??????

[wet dragon]

This right here folks.^
Funny all the noobs crying for nerf after nerf to everything in the game have the nerve to say we're the ones with a skill issue. I never came to here or any Finals community whining about a single thing. Well after this mountain of nerfs, im here now.

[gaunt nymph]

please just remove light already embark 😭

[quartz shell]

cashout timer is good right now, that change would make the game even more frustrating

[proven ibex]

And that's what gonna kill this game for sure.

[green wharf]

Dog walking is fun - but in all seriousness Mesh got hit a bit too hard

[unreal fossil]

Heavy main, I play mesh a lot since S2, honestly don't mind. You're not meant to sit behind it forever. You have barricades and domes to provide protection as well. To me, mesh is nothing more than an emergency 'oh shit' button. Or something to help pushing with melee/flamer/close range weapons. 750 is more than twice a Heavy HP...

[sacred siren]

why dont u stop cheating before talking about skill issues? or are you still going to justify using a xim cause of some made up disability? https://streamable.com/6b2wdm https://streamable.com/kioog4

[fair osprey]

Here's the problem with how the balancing has been lately. It's just a bunch of nerfs to things I've only heard people complain about because they can't cope with using a glitch grenade or whatnot. The stun gun was the only nerf that I thought was fine. The mesh shield nerf is dumb but I'm not gonna really complain.

But Lights have just been punished over and over because other players complained about the few things Light has that they use the most. Why? Because a good chunk of the Light arsenal sucks. Throwing knives, dagger, sniper, LH1, SH1900, their overall health pool and regeneration speed; those are things that I think need to be buffed first. Because now if these things are buffed, Light players now have more weapons and gadgets they want to use instead of just using stun gun, MP5/M11, invis. But all Embark had done recently is just nerf Light nerf Heavy nerf Light nerf Heavy, and now people don't want to play these classes, and probably the game, anymore.

I'm seriously hoping Embark gives Light several buffs this next patch to compensate for the "up yours" attitude Light players have been receiving.

[crimson kernel]

There is MMH meta in ranked game - and you nerf light to the ground. Again. Like he was imbalanced as nobody. Clap-clap-clap. This was best FPS game in beta. Was.

[shell nacelle]

@devs why are you giving in to the cry babies. Light barely gets picked in ranked as is

[ripe ferry]

man more nerfs to light when is not ranked viable, but no nerfs to heavy beeing overpowered???? 350 health, the best defensive skills in game, weapons deal same dmg as FCAR, rpg dealing 140 dmg (for not one shooting lights no??? 10 health left XD) flamethrower dealing massive dmg for doing nothing (a fps game should reward good aiming, not stupid weapons like granade launchers and the flame''''' that deals absurd dmg while not doing any effort), 1 heavy is enough to deal with with shields and overpowered weapons and gadgets but dude, 3 heavys in 1 team is idk what word to say that is not a bad word, medium is in a good spot, heavy is overpowered and light is underpowered just because of his health and u want to nerf him more? when light cant win fights against mediums and heavys face on??? they outdmg you with witchever weapon u bring, now we have good utility to play like a mosquito but invis and stung gun are ok in this state of the game, people complain because they play at low ranks or just casuals, a medium stunned can kill a light just with hipfire, and invis is not annoying because u can see the reflection of the character the only problem with invis is the full invis when u not move, thatssssss a problem, the rest is fine, grap should have 2 stacks because is practically useless and dash is not good enough because good players can still track u when dashing, if u make dash like a Tracer TP blink (overwatch) that would make players to use dash more, weapons that are not beeing used is because of some problems, t knives because any other weapon outdps them and more when u have 150health, lh1 idc about the recoil ands the visual recoil but the iron sighttt is a NO for almost everyone (i would main LH1 if it gets a DOT sight or similar), medium ak iron sight is good because is an automatic weapon with low recoil this is an example, the game is in a good state, im just giving this feedback so u can improve it further, in simple words, the heavy should be a tank not a raid boss that tanks, deals more dmg than the other clasess beeing dps or burst dmg (rpg), medium is ok for now (revolver needs a dot sight to be use more), light is underpowered because of heavy players they dont need buffs or nerfs, really, u just need to nerf heavys dmg in rpg side and weapon side, they should be TANKSSSSS and not brainded raid bosses, medium is fine i like it, light is fine aswell(remove full invis when not moving) and the finals and most important feedback so players start using more weapons than meta weapons, DOT sights or similar

[vale acorn]

Sombra mains upset unaware that dash remains viable

[delicate marlin]

Don’t nerf stun gun.

[thick sorrel]

Don't even wanna login to see the disappointment

[tawdry owl]

Light should be more competitively viable and have more teamplay but nerfing or reworking invis and stun gun is something that should be done. Being made immobile in a game about movement orfighting an opponent that you can't see just isn't fun.

[untold haven]

give light double jump and ill forgive you for the stun

[sharp jasper]

Light should explode if they double jump to often

[hidden pond]

All of the steps Embark are taking for balancing are going in the right direction. I see the vision y’all have for the future of the game. The only issues I have are on console side.

First, PC can use controller but console can’t use keyboard and mouse. This might because of all the players using keyboard and mouse who had aim assist, but still would be beneficial to allow it.

Second, similar to having reload and pickup the same button, equipping your weapon and picking up heavy’s barricade should have a prioritize option as well. I can’t even begin to count how many times I’ve put down a barricade and couldn’t shoot at the enemy player right in front of me just because I had to look away from my barricade to pull out my weapon. It’s obviously not the end of the world when this happens, but does get annoying after awhile.

Finally, only one kind of specialization should be allow on a team. You shouldn’t have 2 mediums pocketing a heavy with healing beam, or 2 heavies holding mesh shields. You could say using glitch grenades would solve the problem, but as soon as those 5 seconds are up they go right back to it. They’re called “specialization” after all, so only one person should specialize in something. This would give more team diversity, and make players fulfill their role in the team comp.

[drifting gorge]

@crimson kernel, @fair osprey, @shut cosmos, I hate to say it, but you're all right. They keep nerfing the wrong things, and people are getting frustrated and leaving for it. No one but terrible people asked for these changes. The only thing I can see is a stun gun rework, but they just gave mesh shield a nerf after it has a hard counter instead of fixing the countless shitty bugs and the stale and annoying meta of Medium class. I hate that people who cry get their way, it makes the rest of us suffer. And for what? Instead of nerfing cloak, buff the other specializations so less people use it and so on

I think that part of the problem is that people love Embark, and I love them too, but that's no good reason to defend these shitty changes. For the past 3 updates I've been holding out for something to help balance. This? This is nothing. UI changes are nothing. And they're not even working that hard on bugs in these updates, even adding new ones, like how you can detonate mines with spectator cam now.

[static wolf]

These updates are so tone deaf and are making people leave the game. Recent changes like fcar recoil and mesh shield feel like lazy nerfs that arent really gonna change the meta of ape-ing people with 2 heavies. Start buffing weak things instead of nerfing the things that are working due to a vocal minority. You can tell the devs dont know what they are doing balance wise, they give all gadgets that countered cloak to light and removed recon and then nerf cloak? Makes no sense

[zinc haven]

I second this. this is the point exactly. they listen to players with 40 h experience. it will be night night if this doesn't change 🏁

[safe agate]

BOZO

[uneven prism]

thermal vision should show enemy health bars

[fringe schooner]

all the light tears are hilarious

[terse lark]

the devs are drinking our tears

[raw thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-fuck-that-nah-f-that-hood-avatar-all-yall-got-me-fucked-up-all-yall-got-me-fd-up-gif-3427110800257268906

[strange plover]

I didn’t want to say it 😂

[lyric valve]

First what im gonna say is that your Marketing is on a level of a 5yr old child , why wont you promote your game more when you put millions of dollars into it ? i never seen a youtube ad on a video or something for the Finals . Im gonna put it this way , do you want money or not ? STEP UP YOUR MARKETING GAME , Second . The changes you are making is mindbaffling , you keep listening to people who play unranked modes and are silvers or bronzes . Why the HELL would you Nerf light when NO ONE IS PLAYING LIGHT IN RANKED ? i swear to god yall are looking just for quick cash , keeping the game alive for like 2 years and bailing out and keep it dead . But its pointless to write becasue the Devs are never gonna listen even tho the STATS clearly show how the player count is dropping but somehow the Company that put money to develop this game does not Care and wants to lose money. Your game has potential that no other game has but you just cant Execute it right , i understand the game is still new and so on , but as i said the Updates and marketing are work of a 5 year old child . Sorry not sorry but only HONESTY is gonna save your game , have a nice day .

[daring fossil]

devs, what kind of testing needs to be done on the stun gun? just fucking revert it to how it was in CB2 and call it a fucking day, it's not fucking rocket science. Also still no goth outfit, see you in a week I guess.

[wicked dragon]

there will be no tears when there are no players left lmao, so Embark should soak it up before it's too late

[vapid dagger]

😍😍😍😍❤️

[halcyon orchid]

no entiendo a que esperais a meter contenido al juego no nos podeis tener 90 dias se s2 sin nada por que el juego morira fuck cheaters

[brave arch]

Gave up playing after 3 games in a row had clear cheaters in the lobby. S/O to the devs for focusing on what matters... The stun gun and nerfing lights into the ground 🙄

[royal spire]

Big words from a cheater himself lmao

[visual bronze]

holy crap devs what are you doing light is practcally useless now its a CRAZY over nerf no point of useing it if med or heavy's is better than what light can bring to the table great back to the mmh mhh meta like lmh feels like how the game was ment to be played you guys need to do something about this its SO boring to play with only two class's being good. now people will probably be even more toxic to the people who are good at light if they dont switch to med or heavy cloak was the only good option if your keeping this nerf buff the other options dont even want to play any more man

[lunar iron]

I don't even play light and that cloaking nerf is crazy to me. Is cloak and stun annoying to go up against? Yes. But it can be countered. I felt like the sound of cloaking was decent enough to at least make you aware and scout around to find a cloaked player.

[wet dragon]

I play all classes.*
Slowly but surely every fun weapon, gadget, or ability I use no matter what the class is, is being nerfed into oblivion.

Every single item that felt good to use, now doesn’t feel good and every single item that felt horrible to use still feels horrible.

Why do you refuse to buff weapons, gadgets, or abilities that aren’t fun and instead choose to endlessly nerf until nothing is fun to use anymore? Really disheartening to see.

[dreamy marlin]

this game is supposed to be entertaining and fun, and if people stop finding the game entertaining and fun then I think everyone is free to play the games they want and to not play the games they don't, but a lot of people have a really apocalyptic vision on the future of the game, yes they haven't been doing the best of calls when it comes to balancing and yes the situation is rough, but they have also done a really good job until this day, the game with all its flaws is a really good game, after all this time I think it keeps being my favorite shooter and I have a blast when I play, it would make me really sad to see it disappear and I don't really think that's going to happen, the game in its current state its pretty fun but I think the player base is kinda bored of the same meta, also people just think they have the answer to all the finals problems, and when the nerf or buff they want doesn't come in the next patch they get frustrated and leave, Embark has to deal with a lot of crap the community gives to them on a daily basis, bunch of hate and destructive criticism instead of well thought suggestions or critics, they are no perfect but they still try they're best, so I just hope they keep doing the best they can to keep this game I love alive and fun.

[signal basin]

Whiners win. Medium and heavy already rule the game but gonna rule more and more. Lights are doom. GG Whiners

[brave copper]

Super disappointing how it feels like almost every patch gives me and everyone else more reasons to only play medium. NGL teams stacked with healing beam and defibs are the least fun to fight right now.. Patches like the one from this week drive more people to medium and increase the relevance of that meta even if you didn't directly buff those medium abilities.

The materialization change seemed good at first but it did nothing to stop mediums from running in like an NPC and doing the defib at the cost of their own life. Its all about hoping the revived guy catches the killer on reload and then recovers your whole team.

Shields and heals are the META... Couple weeks back, halving the effect time of glitch was a bad move. Now cloak is being nerfed this week and next week? Alright, but why? Id literally rather that light player use invis then become another defib spamming medium.

[proven parcel]

Buffing low pick rate guns/abilities is healthier, arguably easier to balance, and a lot more fun for the players.

[quick coyote]

= 🥲

[sacred brook]

Hello, I wanted to know why in the updates for several weeks you have not improved the featherweight (you have already announced a nerf on the stun gun for the next update) however you are increasing the heavyweight and heavyweight classes. average weight. So as a featherweight player I warn you that many players are very disappointed with the nerfs you are doing on the featherweight because it makes them less in the game and less balanced, already the featherweight is not easy to play . If you continue in your launch the game will lose its community, we would just like you to listen to the entire community and not just those who complain about something for the nerf, just listen a little more to the community we don't ask you to do everything what we're asking you because we know that it's impossible but just to take our opinions as players into consideration a little more.

[cedar violet]

i dont like how theirs no twerking emote

[delicate marlin]

If youre not going to revert the nerf on cloak. You need to buff light burst DPS even more to compete with with the other two classes. Buffing cloak is the best course of action though. I kinda liked the way it was before. Lights couldnt beat fcars in 1v1 fights but if they were good and used cloak and stun gun to their advantage they could fight back

[severe herald]

[vale acorn]

Maybe in the ghetto themed season pass

[unreal fossil]

Two Light nerfs and everybody wants to quit. I think it says a lot about how y'all were playing so far. Light main, solo Q, no team play, and overusing the same gimmick again and again for KDR.

I play all three classes, reading that Light can't do shit without CD/stun gun is laughable (I never used either). Reading that Heavy is OP is laughable as well... If you think so, you've never played that class.

Lights need buffs, YES. To make them useful to the team. Right now they're not relevant enough in the context of a 3 player team, compared to H or M, to pick L over either.

People complain that Lights have no room in ranked. Well I think we should then try fixed LMH teams for ranked. Make it a temporary event and see how that goes. I think April Fool's PS with limited kits was more enjoyable than regular PS. Such experiments with restrictions are useful to find the right path for future patches.

[quartz shell]

glitch canister 🙂

[sleek flame]

Use glitch grenades

[covert wind]

Stop nerfing everything

[copper lark]

buff weak stuff plz

[vapid crystal]

We really need some more Orf gear. I love Orf so much it's unreal.

[timid jay]

I need my level 7 throwing knife skin please 🙏🏻

[terse lark]

please stop nerfing everything and buff the weak stuff instead

[drifting gorge]

☝️

[lavish shard]

Stop crying baby light play cloak whit vanish bomb is still good

[daring fossil]

all the people bitching about light nerfs are hilarious, cloak and stun is fucking toxic af, and the main reason I haven't played light much lately. Maybe if you all figured out how to play light properly, you wouldn't be bitching about it. Get fucking good. sincerely, a light main who doesn't use cloak, and doesn't crutch on stun.

Maybe the devs could, you know, buff the throwing knives, dagger and remove the RNG on the LH1. Like you guys reduced dispersion when jumping and sprinting on the new heavy shot gun, but won't on the throwing knives that have been absolutely useless since launch? Come the fuck on Embark, there's a reason your games dying.

Maybe half the health regen time on the light like everyone has been asking for since season 1 so the light can stay in the fight more. It's like a bunch of monkeys balancing this game.

Maybe buff the grapple by reducing the cool down by 3 seconds like many people have been asking since season 1 (2 charges would be op)

constantly nerfing lights without improving them anywhere else is just going to kill this game faster. I'm happy with the changes to cloak/stun, but the light needs to be more viable without them and it's not unless you sweat your ass off.

Next up, nerf the no skill GL40 please.

Was hoping the goth skin would come into the store this week, but instead we get some bullshit that wasn't even in the season 2 trailer. You're pissing your players off embark. I'm going to quit because there's no content and most of the cosmetics are shit and the one cosmetic I've been waiting for since launch has been dangled in my face on a string over a month ago and still isn't in the store.

[near dew]

It’s a massive waste of a utility slot tho

[spiral thorn]

snipers should be removed from a weapon choice when playing powershift

[foggy orbit]

they nerf cloak and don't buff any other of lights arsenal, stun gun was the more annoying and powerful item, but cloak had counter play by using your ears and eyes, but they wanna make it even easier to see cloak. Like what is the point in making the stealthy spec that is meant to be stealthy so bad to the point where using it makes you even easier to detect compared to not using it.

[sudden geyser]

My only issue was with the true invis stun combo. Outside of that cloak was fine imo

[zinc haven]

this is the type of player this game is 'balanced' to: voices their 'position' in the shape of a crying face, no contribution to the discussion/ dispute. flighty internet personae, possibly little play time, less experience.

[mighty sluice]

“Cloaking Device
Increased the activation cost from 14.2% to 33%.
Dev Note: This does not change the maximum sustain time, but makes it drain faster when toggling it on and off too frequently. In addition to this change, we’re also investigating changes to the visibility of cloaked players, but these will not be deployed until the 2.6 update as they require more testing.”

If this change is going to stay in the game, u need to remove deactivation of cloak when taking damage but I would prefer it just gets reverted. Cloaking is already too easy to see/hear for majority of players and I have been killed instantly multiple times within 0.5s even if I was standing still and someone walks into the room. This increased activation cost of cloaking device isn’t the play. Lights already have an abysmal health pool, no reason to take away the utilities that help the class survive.

Having tried it out tonight, I was running out of stealth way too quickly and it just doesn’t charge itself up fast enough to warrant such a nerf. If you want to nerf cloak just buff it’s counters instead like thermal vision and glitch items.

[echo viper]

stun gun deserves a removal, cloak deserves a visibility change to make it so that the visibility is the same across all game settings/monitors - I am fine with the upcoming nerfs
what did not need to happen was gutting cloak's duration when used in its ideal way
I am aware that compensation buffs are likely coming in version 26.0 or 27.0, but I think the change cloak got this patch was incredibly dumb and kinda just kills it when it really didn't need to

also the actual broken shit that other classes have they get to keep without any changes: med still has the best gun, specialisations, and gadgets, heavy still has rpg and dome on every single loadout because they're just that fucking strong - but light gets one of its best tools gutted because it was viable for like 3 weeks
version 26.0 better have some good shit cause I don't see light being remotely viable for a fucking while if embark keeps this pattern up

[dusky flume]

Stop with these constant nerfs to light making the class completely unviable..

[quartz cedar]

Heavy and Medium are too strong, and you decide to nerf the light?, and you're planning to nerf light again next week?

Ignoring issues like the barricade headglitching, mediums in general being too strong, especially when paired with Heavies.
Nerfing everything is not the way to go, nobody likes that. (although nerfs on the nuke were necessary)

Everyone agreed invis and Stun-gun were ANNOYING, but they were some of the only parts that makes light BARELY playable in ranked vs semi-decent players and above.

Do consider reverting the cloak changes / reduce the activation cost, or give the light some serious buffs to make it more viable in teamplay / "competative" play.

[gaunt nymph]

Just remove light from the game already

[violet sparrow]

nerf is way to much wtf

[hollow badger]

buff m60 hip recoil or spread idk

[plain jacinth]

worst patch by far

[lapis oriole]

Revert cloaking device to 2.4 and put instead:

• Activation cost between 18% - 25% instead of 33%
• Buff grappling hook
• Cooldown between uses to prevent spam
• Visual effect when activating it, preventing easy escapes and easy ambushes
• Buff grappling hook

[quick coyote]

= 😭

[molten trail]

Invisible cloak nerf is fine

[glad wigeon]

as a light that mains grapple and throwing knives i agree BUFF THE THROWING KNIVES AND GRAPPLE ive become very good with them but i still fall short to mediums and heavys that are way too strong and the right click with the throwing knives takes way too long and the grapple needs more uses/ shorter cooldown

[honest harness]

💯

[quick coyote]

They should make a mockumentary of the finals "how to kill a game quickly"

[zenith scarab]

Light:
Revert the cloak nerf, sure, change the visibility, thats completely fine / Make the footsteps louder
Buff the cooldown of the Grapple
Give my boy SH1900 a buff, just a small one
Nerf the range of the Stun Gun / Make it less annoying
Buff the Throwing Knifes dispersion
Fix or make the Thermal Vision more reliable
Faster health regen

Medium:
Nerf the FCAR
Rework the Turret
Buff the FAMAS
Buff the revolver
Give the APS a little tweak
Buff the Mines
Give Data Reshaper 2 uses

Heavy:
Buff the KS-23
Buff the MGL32
Buff the Anti-Gravity Cube's speed or cooldown
Buff the Mines
Stop nerfing the Mesh Shield, just nerf the Mesh, Dome, Barricade combo

General:
Change the respawn locations to make it fair for everyone
Start advertising your game, the numbers are going down
Give more contestant slots
We should be able to use Face Paints with Body Paints
Most of the masks cant be used with any headwear, thats just dumb tbh

[celest marsh]

most of lights issues going by dmg maths could just be solved by giving it another 25hp (200hp total). the medium class having three assault rifles with one distinctly better than all the others on offers though is stupid, just remove the fcar already. least the AK and FAMAS are distinctly different

[hasty gulch]

why does it put me in a diamond lobby as a gold 1 and gold 4

[cerulean vortex]

100p

[dawn hazel]

still getting the bug where i cant use gadgets and gun

[brave copper]

I don't main light but I throw them all the time when I do play light. But You missed the point that patches like this make less people play light, meaning less glitch grenades are going around in general.

Also like I said in the message you replied to, the glitch effect from all sources got nerfed a couple weeks ago. 5s from 10s is a huge nerf and really narrows that window to finish off all the mediums before the defib chain starts..

You're actually just spewing very out of date shade. That was a good 1 liner in the first half of season one. Gotta catch up, brother.

[severe herald]

what is your math 25 more hp is 175 total 😭

[opal hare]

I am begging i am on m’y knees fix the matchmaking sh¡t was fun now it’s full lobby with KnM sh¡t is unenjoyable

[vocal rampart]

Also please fix doors trapping players when they close upon oneself.

[sleek flame]

I can see that your blood pressure was up on this one. No need to write a dissertation.

[bleak stratus]

They hated him because he spoke the truth.

[smoky hearth]

Nerf barricade
Nerf fcar
Buff invis
Buff famas
Buff grapple
Inc ks23 damage by 10
Tighten revolver and sniper spread
Make ranked games shorter
And tell us how close we are to ranking up
JUST CHANGE THE META PLEASE
AND STOP NERFING THINGS

[vapid crystal]

best post in this whining channel so far lmao. Big love to you

[lavish shard]

Buff light ✅
Nerf cloak and stungun ✅

[vale monolith]

day 2

PLEASE add better audio sliders. I'd like to hear my teammates through their quick chat comms via the dialogue, but i do not wanna hear the announcers while playing. I'm not sure why the dialogue option for the audio settings disables ALL forms of verbal dialogue. I'd rather hear the stadium announcers and not the two main announcers. PLEASE add more options for audio settings.

[bronze abyss]

I think adding a testing server would be cool ! Would definitely help to get some community input or get data prior to it going live . Something along the lines of league of legends PBE

[regal ferry]

buff cloak and buff mesh

[robust swan]

Decrease taser range and bring back cloak to normal

[low valve]

imma stop playing the game until u guys fix ur game and make it more enjoyable... the game is just deteriorating now wtf

The nerf to mesh shield was totally unnecessary, now the mesh shield just melts way too fast. Again making the game unenjoyable.

The nerf to cloak was also bullshit making it so bad and making the already weak class even weaker. Could've rather made the cloak activation have some animation now its just shit. Stun gun was the one that needed to be nerfed/reworked not cloaking ability ffs

idk whats the point in trying to buff KS-23, even after so many buffs it feels worse than medium R.357 revolver and is unreliable.

The previous "nerf" to FCAR just made it unenjoyable, could've rather nerfed the fire rate a bit. FCAR is supposed to be a long-range assault rifle.

Just tired of these stupid nerfs, you're just digging grave for your own game with these nerfs embark.

Long story short, Just revert the changes made in this update ffs

[light charm]

pls make more contestants slots 6 is way to low, at least it should be 1 for each spec

[rough herald]

You can change them in a match but only in the frist first loadout screen

[quick coyote]

The same people who screamed for weeks about removing recon senses are the people crying now about invisibility/stun gun changes.

They will say all day long that light is the weakest class, that picking them is throwing, that stun gun isn’t overpowered and invisibility isn’t good—yet look at how they’re talking now:

like they use light because its good and need stungun and invisibility to thrive. The devs are making the right decisions and are taking this game to the proper place with today’s update.

[glad wigeon]

btw i agree that cloak and stun needed nerf the lights that cant play without them make me sad and honestly the heavy hammer does way too much damage idc that it can level a building keep that i just dont want to instantly die when im stuck in a room with a heavy that has a shoulder charge and a hammer or give the lights more health pls

[slender cipher]

Why hasn't there been a system implemented for ranked where if you have an AFK player or a player that left the ranked match on your team have penalties forgiven if you stayed in lobby? Why should we be punished for someone elses actions?

Rainbow Six siege even has a system where penalties are forgiven in ranked play due to a teammate teamkilling or an AFK player getting kicked out. Why does it require a entire two seasons to understand that penalties should not be issued to those who have to sit there and suffer the consequences of someone else AFKing in a match?

If someone else leaves the game, it detriments the entire team, and they can't compete against four teams of 3. You can try as hard as you want, in the end you'll get outmatched just because of the fact you are outnumbered in every engagement. You are forced to throw the match and hand off a free win to the opponents because of the fact you had one teammate get kicked due to AFK or the fact they left on their own accord.

Its gross that the game has gone on this long and hasn't properly implemented the penalty system properly and the change needs to be looked at with a magnifying glass.
Like I said, we shouldn't have to suffer a loss or a penalty due to another teammates willing actions to AFK or leave a ranked match.

[plush grotto]

Akm should outshoot fcar at close range
Famas should outshoot fcar either at med or long range. Need more versatility in the weapons. Fcar just dogs on everything else and there is really no reason to not use it on medium.
I don’t think fcar really needs anymore nerfs. We need buffs

[high ether]

Light really need buffs. I have mained light for about 100 or so hours and I really think something as simple as a buff to the health would be great the fact that you die so quickly as light is very annoying and it's very hard to actually put up a fight to even a medium with half decent aim. I do know people find invis and stun gun annoying but light players basically have to use invis and stun gun to actually stay alive. My point is light is slowly becoming more and more unplayable as people improve at the game and light cannot keep up with people's skill rising and therefore needs buffs.

[dreamy marlin]

I was going to same the same, if I had to give one advice to embark is that they start to buff things asap, if they keep nerfing fun things people that use those things are going to be frustrated and they are just going to leave, but if they start buffing weak weapons the community will have a breath of fresh air using different weapons than they usually play, that would also change the meta with out making fun weapons boring or weak, nerfing things some times is necessary but nerfing everything that is strong instead of giving players powerfull alternatives can leave weak guns forgotten and strong weapons with out what make them fun to use, more important that nerfing or buffing is important to find a balance and I think we already hit the ground of nerfing is time to buff things.

[heady pilot]

Why are we nerfing stungun????? I stun a medium and I just get 360 flicked and beamed down, its only effective against heavies and lights?????? its such a niche use if players you're stunning aren't good, cloak is, fine I guess?? that was an okay nerf, idk revert it making noise if you're gonna make it cost TWICE as much to do, and yes, keep nerfing heavies mesh sheild :3

[wet dragon]

“In this latest update we decided to nerf the player count!”

[rugged adder]

Real👆🏼

[coarse moon]

Nerf heavy. Buff cloaking device! LIGHT IS EVEN MORE UNPLAYABLE NOW!

[violet basin]

Game should have an ending screen/result for ties. It already happened to me twice, the first time it was considered a win and the second time I ended up in second place. If the time is up and all teams have 10k than it should be a tie

[sick arrow]

Would it be possible to tweak the APS turret ? It should work similar to the trophy system in COD. There should be a limit to the number of objects it eliminates.

[subtle copper]

add a scoutz and knives sorta fun game mode where you just have lights w/snipers

[unreal fossil]

My thoughts exactly. I played H the most in S1, running M60/RPG/C4/Dome and using the kit to its full extent. I understood 200% why devs nerfed the hell out of nukes because I pulled out some BS moves using them. Like full team wipes in a matter of seconds because I got a double kill with a nuke and laser'ed the third guy out of existence with RPG + M60. Fun for me, but unfair for others. I also understood why the RPG got nerfed a lot, despite abusing it sometimes, because it was too much of an instant "I win button" (esp. against L), just like CD/stun gun can be in some scenarios. Once again, fun for me, but definitely unfair for others. I understood the mesh shield HP reduction, because it was too much of an impenetrable wall, too easy to spam and just sit behind forever, despite all the enemy efforts to bring it down. I didn't even mind the dome shield nerf, because I always saw that gadget as an emergency/bonus protection. There's always room to use it, either throwing it at your feet when you're in a bad spot, throwing it at low team mate, using it while reviving or capturing a cashout... It's meant to be a fragile extra cover, and can carry you or your team in a fight at times. To be fair the only nerf I did not agree with was on the C4, because aside from nukes, I don't feel like it was OP/annoying.

TL;DR: it's OK to main one class and not the others, but you have to reckon when something that class has isn't fair, and accept it when devs nerf it accordingly.

Most of the posts I read here are people being crybabies because the devs dared touching their precious stuff (while it could very well be reverted next patch...), shitting on Embark despite the overall quality of their FREE TO PLAY game (nobody seems to be thankful of being able to play such a game without having to spend a dime), menacing to quit for good and wishing the game to die soon. Like kids throwing a tantrum. Honestly, this is sad

[brave copper]

I actually like trolls like you. You bring attention to posts with actual ideas or criticisms without ever adding anything of your own. At the end of the day you help bring attention to good posts without ever actually refuting anything.

TLDR: Thank you and I love you.

[cerulean mason]

I think the people who screamed for recon senses to be removed are the turret and aps spammers. But has anyone had an issue where game music doesn't play?

[lavish shard]

Reward skill light dash and grapple
Nerf rat light cloak stungun
Maybe Create new light class whit more hp
No cloak
No stungun
No sword

[placid lark]

What about changing invisibility with recon senses? So anybody can see the light players and light player can move freely knowing where the enemies are. In the end the light class with is fast movement is a flank expert...

[lyric crow]

tell me why i just had the chance to get a 44k box in a match and go from last to 1st by 5k 🤔

[modern wedge]

??? thats what light is supposed to be tho? ass light players are the ones that play from the obvious front. good light players know how light works and flank?

[vast sage]

I'm so glad they nerfed light instead of fixing the bug where I literally can't shoot my gun

[grizzled hornet]

Logical next step is to nerf dagger and make another bug

[sleek flame]

Your welcome, i hope you got it off your chest.

Anyways buff glitch grenades to ONLY effect specialization up to 12s-15s

[wicked dragon]

or give everyone motion sensors. that works too, what doesn't work is nerfing the weakest class in the game. It's not about using Invis as a crutch. it's about what you've trained yourself for such a long time taken away.

[rigid iron]

day 30965 of asking for the ability to change the opacity of cashout/vault icons

[cosmic island]

100% agree with u

[zinc haven]

just the echo chamber of the counterpoint (its tell: just count the terms/ images "cry"). it is consensus that the latest debuff is neither necessary nor thought through. just check the past hours of discussion/ dispute. p.s. I second that "the people who screamed for recon senses to be removed are the turret and aps spammers."

[lunar iron]

I dont play light, but I get put on a lot of 2 light teams. And from my perspective its the survivability of lights that make games feel really tough. Curious light players perspectives on if they would be okay with an HP buff but a small debuff to some of their more meta guns to offset that?

[high ether]

A lot of the people who are complaining about sting gun don't know how to counter it and while there is no ability or specialization to straight counter it all you need to do is turn around and shoot the light. The hip fire in the finals is so accurate that you can still easily kill a light player after your stunned especially if they are at all close to you

[drifting gorge]

And then buff FCAR and make another bug

[dreamy gull]

I was with you until you started complaining about a skin not releasing…

[daring fossil]

That's personal preference, so it shouldn't matter what you think about it

@wicked void read the announcements....

[wicked void]

Uh, I didn't get the boombox from the event despite playing Power Shift multiple games before it ended.

[exotic basin]

Devs, I beg you please bring back Unranked Tournament, all the quick matches get tedious quickly. Ranked has greater chances of cheaters AND I can't play with my friends since the skill gap is too big. Unranked Tournament always was our main mode and now we just can't play tournament together anymore : the main mode of the game :/

[balmy slate]

Partner with gfuel or something to make an ospuze drink

[thick sorrel]

• If you nerf stun, consider nerfing explosives too - it's the same level of frustration, especially for lights
• 140 Dmg by RPG or Instant death from explosives mines are worse, you can't do anything. While stunned you can shoot back...

[silent cargo]

5 games in a row

[mental needle]

Please, Embark, fix the bug of not being able to connect to the game. When I start a match, I get an endless loading time, and when I restart it shows an access error

[stoic mist]

Just lost tournament rating in an unranked 3v3v3 quick cash match, game before we won 2 tournament knock out rounds and our rating didn't change, then the unranked match after we went from bronze 2 + 3 arrows up to bronze 2, 1 arrow down?

[lavish shard]

Im heavy main but for the game
Reward skill light dash and grapple
Nerf rat light cloak stungun

[placid lark]

Motion sensors have a small range... I think the lights have all the gadgets to be perfect for recon and flanking rn. Even the invisibility is born with the idea of gathering info but seeing many players cry for it i think recon senses is less intrusive

[deft thicket]

give lights more hp

[dusty linden]

(Xbox Series X) me and my trio can’t load into ranked tournament. any fix??

[final robin]

Crossplay should have an option to turn it off for PC. Should be PS5 and Xbox for crossplay and then option to toggle PC. Tired of playing against PC players with a controller but also a lot more cheaters on PC. With crossplay off I can’t find a ranked game so frustrating

[civic igloo]

this might clarify it: the arrows indicate how much points you got in that game.
so it doesn't mean "3 arrows up: i'm very close to upranking", instead it means "3 arrows up: i gained a lot of points this game"

[quick coyote]

i agree fully with the invis/stun take, but people really gotta chill with all these “game dying/devs suck” comments. you do realize that high volume game changes keep the devs from knowing where the pain points are right? data for changes require time and effort to get right, and realistically they havent released one patch thats taken things in the wrong direction. i know its too much to ask for but i would love if people could keep their critisizims in good faith instead of tossing empty threats around with every opinion they have

[nimble mango]

option for FXAA for AA option instead of XeSS, FSR or TAAU

[wicked dragon]

revert the invis changes Embark and I will love you again. I promise.

[heady pilot]

dont make promises you cant keep

[daring fossil]

I don't have much good faith left though, as evident by my increasingly negative feedback over time. I used to have a positive outlook, but now things just piss me off, and it pisses me off because I love this game. they created something special here, but they are neglecting it and arguably making it worse.

games been out for like 5 months and the only meaningful change we've seen was them nerfing nukes, and even I think as a light main that they went overboard with that one. Time and time again they have made absolutely baffling changes that either nerfed something too hard or arguably the wrong way, or changed it in no meaningful way, with almost no buffs anywhere to compensate. How hard is it to see all the gadgets and weapons that simply aren't being picked or underperforming and go "oh maybe we should do something about that" instead we're stuck with the same goddamn meta since OB even with all the nerfs.

People have been asking for Grapple cool down buffs and throwing knives/dagger improvements since launch, and still nothing! Yet the hit reg problems and bug list keep increasing, with bugs that have already been fixed once before back in the game again. It seems like a skeleton crew is working on this game, while everyone else works on Arc Raiders (don't even get me started on that).

I don't even think most people think the cloak needed to be nerfed, I think it was in a good spot, although I think it's visibility is bugged since a couple patches ago so im glad they are looking into that. So again, nerfed for no reason really, although im not going to complain in this instance because I don't use cloak and could care less.

[median cipher]

Switch the Weapons between light and Medium except for the Melee and the DMR
Since light is a Scout/flanker it would make more sense. Prevents light from dying 24/7 and they have the lowest health for one of the best gun accuracy in the game.
Medium is a defense/Engineer class would make sense for close range SMGs since they use Mines/Turrets and it would prevent them completely dominating the game but, still making it balanced and fair
heavy is the same cause they're demolition and support. Got Shields, rpg, barricade, ect.
Try doing what Battlefield 3-4 did for classes. Made lots of sense and it kept everying balanced and fair.

[pliant lion]

Wow, another diamond cheater team in ranked! Who expected that!

[left bluff]

I think the only "issue" with Light was that it became mostly about the picking people off playstyle. Basically making the game as whole feel not as high stakes as it used to be. I think what needs to the focus of balance changes is what makes each class important & how that affects gameplay. I barely play as much as I want, because it's fairly stale atm. I notice less steals, same comps, etc. So instead of nerfing the weapons(which feel like shooting pellet guns now); adjust what makes each playstyle important. Perhaps also the ingame events could be shorter & more frequent. Low gravity gets boring fast imo.

Light: I think should have very fast steals, speed ofcourse & quicker healing. If gaining an advantage being invis; I think sound should be easier to detect. I thiught the stun gun is fine, but maybe have shorter range or it only impact movespeed & interactions.

Medium: average stats for stealing, speed, self healing, etc. Aslong as every weapon feels viable; medium is solid. Perhaps give them a single shot, super high recoil sniper with somewhat slow reload speed, that can 2 shot a heavy. I would very much like that. Also think it would be much better to have the instant defib even if it's only 25% hp opposed to the current way.

Heavy: I think destruction damage could be higher, but otherwise I also think is mostly fine, again, once all weapons are viable. The shield was fine before when the guns didn't feel so bad. They basically aren't much of a tank now.

TLDR: everything is having the fun sucked out. Gameplay & classes are basically becoming the same.

[oblique kite]

When I use quick resume on xbox I dont have acess to the game. Please fix that!

[delicate marlin]

Nerf rpg player dmg but give the rpg two shots. Remove defib

[upper citrus]

i dont think anyone enjoyed this patch

[rugged adder]

Embark, you have ruined the light class

[silent cargo]

thanks for recommending that game appreciate it

[tired sand]

More worried about finding hackers in all my positioning games, I just left a game and while some of us have 5-10 kills there was one single guy that had 70+ , all head shots, he was killing whole teams alone, for sure he doesn't need a team.

[wide void]

IMHO, I enjoy this game, but until they let us turn off the awful TAA, it will always be mid at best

[feral iron]

Probs been said a bunch but when is actual rank tracking gonna return; Had to explain the pointless arrow system to a friend.

[acoustic storm]

For the love of god. Fix how explosion damage registers. Currently explosions are just stupid.

A raycast from the explosions center to a player might work on flat surfaces. But on stairs or anything that is slightly angled, explosions just dont damage players.

[strange ermine]

RPG self-damage is fucking crazy. It should not be doing more damage to you than it's capable of doing to other people.

[brittle obsidian]

🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[sturdy spade]

I get the frustration with the stun gun people have and that Embark is gonna look into nerfing that, but the nerf for the cloak was really uncalled for. I’ve played 5 matches with my main build (xp54, cloak) and my specialization was unreliable. Lights have very high DPS weapons and (maybe over) powerful gadgets because they’re very, VERY vulnerable. I’ve already had too many times where I activate my cloak, get shot (cloak automatically deactivates), then activate it again. I’ve already used 70% of my cloak (that is if I didn’t get hit with 1 bullet again, if I activate it again I’ve used up my whole cloak). I even notice the frustration with my opponents as they’re using other specializations. I also can’t remember I ever heard anyone complain about the cloak. If they really needed to nerf it then perhaps a 20/24% activation usage would have been more understandable (you can use it up to 5ish times), but not 33%, this is too punishing for if a light gets caught in battle.

[quick coyote]

lmao, those idiots removed light class, the least played and most skill requiring class in the game because babies cried too much about not being shot at them, 90% of playerbase left this garbage, and they still trying to kill the game lmao

[pale quest]

It's too spammable too easy to go in and out of invis. if its like 1 player in match whatever but when 70% of match are lights which is many non-ranked matches it becomes unplayable but invis is not the main problem the stun gun is.

Stun gun is what deserves to be nerfed on lights It's worst thing in this game. The insane range it has and just how overpowered it is you don't even need to be near a player this thing has like 12m range which means as heavy if you get stunned you're dead because none of your guns gonna hit anything at 10m range without ads while light just lazers you in less than a seccond from distance you can't do shit agaist. can't hit your bullets, cant run or hide just gotta stand there being free kill for 5sec

[wooden storm]

Quick play mindset... L take. Ranked had maybe 1 or 2 lights and one of them was me

[quick coyote]

high elo consistenly sees triple light teams

@elder blade no real point arguing about this unless youre gonna drop a screengrab of your rank in the chat

[elder blade]

no it does not lmao

[timber sage]

give bank it the same ability as power shift to change loadouts and contestants when players have died. this inconsistency is kinda glaring, and could make bank it a lot more fun. i understand cashout and also maybe quick cash not having this ability, but for bank it, which don't really relate as much to the tournament game modes, i don't think it would hurt too much to include this

player retention could be improved if they find out they don't have to quit matches just because they feel like they've got the wrong primary and reserve weapons and gadgets.

[sacred pier]

we really need a better indication for the rankings, it's starting to be boring.

[regal ferry]

no penalties if a teammate leaves in ranked, i keep ranking down because i'm not getting teamate

[lyric ore]

I've had a glitch where I can't shoot or use throwable items, it onyl happens in combat and clears up only after I die

[late pagoda]

Based patch again embark good job

[keen knoll]

Buff Meshshield and buff light class. No reason for that patch to be honest

[chrome citrus]

been in game since day 1 never got fixed

[glacial storm]

quit messing with the ks-23 accuracy. it did not need an accuracy buff. it needs to deal more damage. even if it means reducing rate of fire, the ks-23 will permenantly be a useless gimmick gun unless its damage gets increased to at least 110. it could also have used a range buff or a reload speed buff. but it recieved an accuracy buff? its already very accurate as long as you're not in the air. its range and damage already got nerfed super hard. help the gun where it needs help. you buffed it today in an area where the gun does not struggle. pointless change. buff its range and damage already.

[potent wraith]

real

[prime pawn]

this exactly

[late mortar]

Bro nobody asked to nerf mesh shields, 1000 health was already in a good place 🤦‍♂️

[foggy orbit]

I understand your distaste for lights using cloak, but triple lights in high elo?! That is such a dishonest and dishonorable statement. Lights are without a doubt the least picked class in high elo ranked. Medium is the most picked.

[rapid vapor]

So I get deranked because my team of randoms left the game and leaving isnt a choice for me... makes sense

[late halo]

Embark really wants to kill their game.

[cold rock]

so in your opinion it was balanced at release?

[jade ingot]

really curious about what feedback was gotten regarding the mesh shield that it needed to be nerfed

@sleek flame fair enough, i think the barricade shouldve got the nerf bc it feels mesh and dome are always getting nerfed now

[glad wigeon]

add a drop coins mechanic its annoying when one of your team wants to keep fighting and you have enough to win the game i feel it would be good to be able to give your coins to a teamate that would be able to get to the depo quicker than the rest or to a heavy that just cant die

[obsidian solar]

Give smoke grenade to all classes! It would open so many possibilities! I would use smoke so much if it was on medium, on the other hand i've barely seen any Light using smoke, especially when they have better gadgets to choose from

[sleek flame]

The heavy has dome shield, mesh, and barricade. Something was going to get touched, since heavies are always pocketed by 1 or 2 heal beams

[pastel mirage]

RE MOVE PC CROSSPLAY IT'S NT FAIR

[wide void]

Cloak should be reworked instead of simply being made scarcer. HALF-VISIBILITY is not fair for anyone at any skill level. It can be impossible for those with worse graphics to see the shimmering outlines, but when you can see them, then it does literally nothing. Sometimes you can cloak right in front of people and they can't see you at all, and sometimes you can cloak from 30 meters away and still get beamed down.

Make it COMPLETE INVISIBILITY (and nerf other aspects about it accordingly), or get rid of it entirely. This way it is more consistent for everyone.

[misty walrus]

https://youtu.be/QL78_YTaRZo?si=72KziRmkTYN2TtdO&t=1017

[stark crane]

Can't play ranked because of 2 hours wait an still can't get a game

[quartz fable]

@grave steeple

[delicate yoke]

Buff or rework some of the less used, niche gadgets in the game. It would be interesting and provide a larger variety of play styles. The data reshaper buff was a a great change and I'd live to see more like it with other unused gadgets.

[night glen]

STUN <---- Seriously considering not playing anymore due to the stun gun

[thorny sedge]

multi flag CTF would be so much fun

[fiery terrace]

the cheater problem is huge omg! im at d3 and i meet cheaters in every second game

[queen light]

bring back season 1 songs

[pliant lion]

Please consider nerfing the flamethrower, it's not fun to play against for anyone. The last buff wasn't necessary and right now it's absolutely broken at close range, especially combined with the shield overload the heavies currently have.

[bleak coral]

console cant match with pc players unless there is someone ur in a party with thats on pc. crossplay on console is only between playstation and xbox fyi
@daring fossil lol did they?? hahahah

[daring fossil]

no, they changed it.

[grave steeple]

BASED ASF 🙌

[halcyon orchid]

teneis que meter mas contenido al juego si no va a ser imposible que la comunidad os de soporte parar a los cheaters de algun modo y un personalizador de armas para poder editar accesorios y mas armas y mapas cada 20 dias como si es una pero el juego esta muy aburrido

[mellow pebble]

We can stop this stealing of cashout from walls?

[wicked dragon]

all the people bitching about light nerf are BASED AF. Let's not negative skilled casuals ruin the game and kill the fun

[sudden spire]

It's true

[wanton root]

Mesh shield is not that useful, decrease recharging time

[solid lynx]

Hello, i am in need of some salt for my popcorn. might any light build crying about the nerfs spare some?

[river girder]

Didn't they just drop its health this recent update

[raw thicket]

You can turn it off in your settings

[tall wave]

Lights get stomped all the time in ranked the stun gun is the only counter to heavies in a 1v1 and it doesn’t even guarantee a kill if you’re within hip fire range of an enemy which is most of the time. the invis nerf is hitting the worst class in the game already and a nerf to the stun gun would be even worse. The light class is fine the way it is

[short oracle]

was*

[foggy orbit]

I very much like this sentiment, though if we had true invisibility, I would prevent using ranged weapons and gadgets from being used while invisible, and would require the light manually decloak to use it, at least that way decloaking actually has a purpose.

[pastel mirage]

I can't play with my xbox mate if I turn it off

[neat yoke]

i was thinking of making complete invisibility but making steps leave very bright and spottable footprints

[night glen]

How are these game developers ok with this amount of cheating? It is crazy stupid. The game is going to die because of it. Good job not caring about keeping the real player base. Just let all the cheaters in so they can battle each other since they are going to be the only ones left soon. What is the reporting system even there for? So you can get stats on the amount of people being reported but do nothing about it? Why even put the report system in the game? Do the devs care about this game at all?

[gusty locust]

So your bronze im guessing because no way in hell are triple lights a common accurence in diamond lobies

[unreal fossil]

So you're trying to 1v1 a class that has more than twice your HP and usually uses LMG with 47/70 rds of ammo, and complain that you can't get a "guaranteed kill" by using a gadget. Alright. Well of course you can't.

[foggy pagoda]

Please add 120Hz mode on consoles, allow crossplay between consoles and PCs without the need to have a PC player next to the console to play games, add keyboard and mouse support on consoles.

[carmine thistle]

He's gotta be bronze

[amber loom]

Please make it so non hosts can invite people to lobbies so annoying have to add everyone or remake a lobby so the person with the most mutuals has to host. Also please make it so that the aps turrets cooldown starts once the turret is destroyed and if its damaged i cant just pick it up and place it back down. maybe if its damaged and i pick it up there is a shorter cooldown like 5 seconds or something

[upbeat ore]

Mesh shield nerf is good (HHM feel impossible to push when coordinated). But please don't nerf light into the ground! I play heavy and will have no one to destroy anymore.

[graceful orbit]

Has anybody else been having a problem where when you respond everything stops working, you can’t shoot or anything, just costed me a whole game because it wouldn’t stop doing that, was doing this yesterday too 🤦🏾‍♀️

[smoky gust]

we had a few people suggest this before
honestly that would probably be the best option
then it would also not up to random circumstances like "did this crumbling building make some smoke?" and the likes

people will always complain about nerfs, even if others want these changes
if its a rework instead, hopefully they can see the upsides and be less frustrated with having their items changed

[raven jacinth]

can you explain how its possible to not rank up when you win the final and you're three arrow up before the win ?

[night dune]

Pretty sure the game no longer works with my headset after latest patch

[glad delta]

Let us turn off TAA so we can see the people fucking us from nightmare range

[wide void]

@foggy orbit Yeah, that's basically how Spy in TF2 works. Having to take a moment to uncloak is a perfectly reasonable drawback to having complete invis.

@neat yoke That would basically be terrain-dependent invis. If they're on high ground or airborne, you can't see their footprints. If they're running around on the road below you, you can basically see their exact position. It might be a little finicky to balance around, but I kind of fuck with it -- a lot better than the current system for sure.

@smoky gust 👍

[quick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/get-this-man-a-shield-get-this-man-a-true-morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-true-gif-25958604

[pastel sage]

the reality is Light doesn't work in a game where ttk is already high with the other classes, light is supposed and has lower ttk/more burst, currently you or the enemy die in 1 second or time is wasted by miracle.
they're nerfing the pain points about light, but they can't rework the entire class, because the class itself is flawed.
Everyone is saying the nerfs will kill the game (ignoring the fact that this is said for each change in the game) and i halfway down don't agree, due to the fact that the only people complaining are well, light mains.

I would prefer stun to be less prevalent, because it's a very easy and cheeky option to do kills with. But I do think there needs to be some look ups for the entire class because design wise it's assassin like design doesn't fit at all, due to the rest of the classes being almost on the same (or higher) level of power.

[restive widget]

Just about every match is the same. One or more people leave the game giving one team an advantage. It's become such a major problem that I'll likely just switch to another FPS.

[sinful igloo]

anyway to fix the buying multibucks on console trying to buy the 20 dollar bunny bundle but wont let me and i usually buy the multibucks from the add ons page from the game card

[tropic finch]

Am I the only one that feels the sniper ruins this game?

[wicked dragon]

hush now, the medium/heavies will eat you up for saying otherwise. They can't accept the fact that they strayed off their teams and had to face a light in a fair 1v1 with double the health-bar compared to their opponent. They could've whooped out an RPG, used charge n'slam, could've placed a few mines around or they could've at least just stand still to look at their monitors for once and easily spot the movement of cloak but they didn't, and they died, and they're crying, so we must nerf lights with all our might.

[ornate hemlock]

next update will be a flamethrower nerf

[gusty light]

What is the thinking behind nerfing light and heavy, when medium is obviously the best class atm? Looking at ranked semi-final and final it is mostly mediums. What really needs a nerf imo is the defirbrilator. Maybe make the respawn-animation killable. For example it could be that it gains hp over time and when it reaches 100% hp the target is revived. But the animation could be killed in the mean time by dealing the current hp to it.

[charred ivy]

Just remove the arrows. It was a good try, i do not think it makes much of a sense to show them. I usually get up arrows even for 2nd round in Diamond 3/2, but when 3rd round you get knocked out against a rage cheater who is shooting through shields, i'd prefer not to see me losing 1 arrow for it. x)

[light river]

Get pc cheaters out of console lobbies thanks.

[crimson schooner]

As a light the invis from 14.2% to 33% is such a big difference atleast 20% or even 22 but 33 is a big step

[forest elm]

Damn a new fun game I wish it stays fresh and unique

The finalss dev on there nerf everything unique about the game into ground and make another generic shooter:

I don't want the game to die

[grave steeple]

as a light main I could not be happier with the decisions that the devs make. I appreciate you Embark team keep up the goodwork!

[late mortar]

This sarcasm or am I tripping? 😂

[tawdry arrow]

Just loged on to the game and even tho i finished all my games of ranked the day before and didnt leave any i some how got a rank down arrow after not having played the entier day

[frail wave]

Add the Player's Embark ID to the Rank Up Screen
I should be able to have my name under my new rank
More personalized

[violet tangle]

A security patch, and even more cheaters in the game somehow. in 4 rounds (1 ranked tournament) there were 3 cheaters... every fucking round. How hard is it to auto ban players with a 95% headshot rate bruh

[hybrid zinc]

1 day ban

[limber ingot]

exactly lmao how hard is it to auto ban 100% shot hit rate and other obvious behaviours like 25k damage 5min into the game + penalizing the ppl that q with cheaters to prevent boosting

[woven hawk]

Cloak+Stun=Surprise? Grenades & Mines are fine??

If cloak stun is getting nerfed because people don't like surprises, how about no-chance instant death grenades/mines??

Oh you're walking? EXPLOSION, dead. Did you hear that? Did you see that? No.

I think instant death is worse than getting stunned by a loudly humming weak little person that can be almost dead by the time they switch back to their gun. You can hear them, you can turn around, you can shoot back. Your teammates can shield you. You have options.

Ghost grenades & mystery mines? Hello & goodbye in the same word.

[blazing loom]

Ability to throw an empty magazine at the enemy but it only does 1hp of damage

[unkempt goblet]

why are stun guns getting nerfed? they pretty much seem only useful to stop steals or melee users.

[wicked dragon]

embark fucked up with this update ngl, nerfed the weakest class best special. I have no problem with mediums but it's no lie that they are still going strong with most of their overpowered guns, gadgets and abilities.
So why not just rename the game from "THE FINALS" to "THE MEDIUMS"?

[daring fossil]

cloak and stun enable a super aggressive selfish playstyle, which is not how the light is supposed to be played. Cloak didn't really need this nerf (visibility since a couple patches ago is an issue though), but stun for sure needs nerfs.

[scenic kiln]

make respawn timer lower for teams with only 2 people on them, and remove it entirely for teams with only 1 person

[shell nacelle]

disgusted how they keep destroying heavy light class. Medium is just sitting there with the most game changing abilitys, gadgets and weapons

[vale monolith]

a lotta the tweaks and adjustments come from community feedback, and everytime i look at this chat, it seriously just looks like the whole game is broken & everything needs nerfs/buffs. its not that tragic and broken, we’d probably get better patches if we didnt dog the entire game for whatever reason

[crimson schooner]

I queued in for a comp game and only spawned in with me and only me, how can a 3 man team game only spawn with 1 player for a comp and still d rank make that make sense

[oblique sorrel]

Embark take note

[near dew]

Revert invis nerf and remove light ability to reload while invis

[unreal fossil]

Just played a few games, typical Light gameplay in QC tells you all there is to know about the CD/stun gun issue. People trying to win fights against stacked teams and getting obliterated time and time again. Spoiler: you'd get obliterated as H/M just as fast with that kind of gameplay.

[nimble fulcrum]

still catering to bad players. FIX YOUR RANK SYSTEM

[uneven ibex]

moving from plat 4 to gold 1, because i left a all diamond lobby where both teamates left is crazzzy

[hollow pollen]

Ranked needs a complete overhaul heading into Season 3. For now I don’t expect any major changes. Maybe something to tell us our rank progress but that’s it.

[crimson merlin]

Few tips on killing invis light

• if you turn up Clarity, Sharpness, Sharpness+ in Geforce experience game filter you can see invis clearly even from 40m+

-when light turns on cloack theres 1 sec delay. (Useful when you are chasing)

• When invis light take jump pad theres blue trail after body

Rip cloack. Im switching to dash

[wide void]

^ I know I'm a broken record, but critical gameplay elements should not depend so hard on your graphics settings. Change it to be COMPLETE INVISIBILITY and then nerf other aspects as needed.

[tall wave]

Exactly it’s more of a way to escape a bad situation it’s not an overpowered guaranteed kill like everyone’s complaining

[slender oasis]

Make the Dagger alt fire do 100 damage on a miss, speed it up by .1 seconds, simple ez fix

[terse lark]

the problem was stun gun being a little to strong and players not knowing how to counter invis and stun. nerfing things to cater to low skill players is never the right decision. please revert the cloak nerf.

[wicked dragon]

You can't even shoot a bullet while cloaked lol, i don't understand how people can call claok a guarantee kill, once the first bullet is out it's a fair 1v1 and even then if you can't kill the light it's on you and the quality of light. but nowo it's all gone to shit. you can't not only not use it to attack but even for defense it's a pretty shitty specialization now.

[little locust]

bruh fix fucking ranked. losing points because my shitty teammates disconnected is one of the most infuriating things in the world. also you're nerfing the weakest class in the game???? why??? cloak and stun are the only things that give any survivability to lights. you just brought other classes in line with lights. now you make the least chosen class in ranked WORSE???

[edgy pawn]

Yes nerf lights again great game keep on buffing heavys and mediums so the game can be more fun for light players.

[sacred reef]

Nerf Heavy goo gun (Goo gun enemy they gut stuck and just hammer them to death) its extremly dumb deffo in final round

[daring fossil]

thats actually big brain. Cloak didn't really need a charge nerf, but if they were going to change anything, I'd totally be ok with not being able to reload while invis, that would force cloak users to be more cautious and less hyper aggressive.

@crimson merlin not everyone likes their games looking over-saturated and smeared with oil. I can't stand sharpen filters in games, mostly the same reasons why I hate upscalers. I never had any problems with cloak how is was prior to season 2, but something changed and it's hard AF to see sometimes now

[placid hazel]

why nerf light nerf frikin tripple med heal beam

[crimson schooner]

As a light i very much approve this itd be a better cahgne than what the update is rn

[spice stag]

diluting the interesting risk reward aspect by lowering the risk makes the weapon boring!! missing a backstab should never give you any usable amount of damage!!!

[foggy pagoda]

Please add 120Hz mode on consoles, allow crossplay between consoles and PCs without the need to have a PC player next to the console to play games, add keyboard and mouse support on consoles.

[glossy panther]

As a medium main (not light) I think the cloak nerf is not needed at all, it was in a good spot since the last nerf.
Stun gun rework is needed for sure since it's not balanced but overall I think light needs more buffs than nerfs to make it viable, not for the stun and cloak but in other aspects like HP and defense etc

[strange ermine]

The recent nerfs to long range/evasive utility for all classes shouldn't weigh so heavily on melee players' options. I think all melee weapons should grant a slight movespeed buff to compensate for this.

[alpine latch]

yo is there a glitch with the riot shield right now cause im shooting at a medium thats using a riot while hes full sprinting at me and im shooting hime where hes not protected and its blocking everything

[feral shell]

Does this game feel awful on controller for anyone else? I know AA was too broken on launch but it’s feeling near impossible to hit anyone at range. Don’t want to hear about the game aiming for me, I’m literally using thumb sticks - there needs to be good AA.

[unreal vortex]

revert mp5 recoil

[latent apex]

Have you guys ever considered HDR for the finals? The fog on some maps, it’s soooo hard to see anyone. It’s too bright…no brightness option in settings either. I’d love for this to be adjusted. Oddly enough dark areas are perfectly fine, but between sky and fog, maybe change the tone of fog or sky, or use HDR (as well as add a brightness setting)

[near dew]

ClassicGamer#9786, Gunshots#5136 nice anticheat update guys these guys are already cheating using the same prgrams as before

[carmine thistle]

Ngl I have don't really care about the invis nerf. Smart players will use it at the right time.
What I do have a problem with is the amount of cheaters I run into
Please continue to improve anti cheat & resort to more drastic measures if you have to.

Now if you hit cloak don't nerf stungun in a hard way like you'll actually make it hell for us to play light
we are already always playing gunfights on a health disadvantage

[shell nacelle]

L Devs L Patch... Stop destroying light class its already not usable

[unreal fossil]

Invis + stun is low skill. More so since most players I've played against wouldn't do s**t with H/M either as they're just outright bad. Trying to clutch every second of the match alone against full teams gets you nowhere no matter which class you play.

[upbeat ore]

I was gold 3 days ago how come I'm queuing with top 100 in the world Diamond 3 stacks

[snow path]

I can't believe the shitters who couldn't kill a light with a full AK magazine were able to gaslight embark to nerf what is 100% the worst class 💀 💀 And I main medium before you come at me 😂

[half iris]

Get. A. Pc.

[rigid vessel]

invis nerf is very good and on point
but light do need a hp or hp regen buff and also need to make dash feel less clunky and more team utilities

but before u do all of that

upgrade ur anti cheat
nothing else matters without way way better anti cheat

[summer elk]

Please add a setting to remove weather effects like rain and clouds. It causes extreme lag on older hardware

[violet solstice]

SMFH....lets just make the weakest & easiest to kill Class even weaker & easier to kill by nerfing cloak...FFS this game is going down the toilet so fast. Lets just keep pandering to all the complaining Mediums & Heavies who just wanna dominate without contest. Stun gun should be removed or seriously nerfed but cloak has already been nerfed so much already. Why do the Devs keep nerfing the weakest class??? its fkn stupid! Lights are supposed to be annoying, its what they do. Now they are just cannon fodder.

[storm salmon]

Gj at establishing the worst meta imaginable embark by killing light again

[hidden hollow]

I think it's important to be able to take things (teammates) out of your hands again. I've been eliminated too many times because I had a teammate in my hand and couldn't put him down. You can only throw things and if there isn't a wall nearby, your teammate will fly across the map. I find the charging time for the Defi to be very long now and not being able to put down objects in your hand is an additional restriction for Medics, in addition to the respawn time and the long Defi loading time. Perhaps there should be a restricted drop option if you have a teammate in hand.

[native helm]

right click

[crimson merlin]

Well im just giving you an option 🤷🏻‍♂️ but difference is pretty big
You dont have to if you dont want
Thats why its a tip

[smoky belfry]

I have to say this by far the worse nerf ever on any class ever. Nurfing lights invis like that when they already have 150 hp. This game is going to die with the attitude the devs have of believing their doing the right thing put finding out there going to lose a lot of their player base. Then your telling me their going to nurf light even more it’s unbelievable how you can tell how little devs actually use lights and feel that it’s important to “balance” these classes without taking to consideration how little light already has. As a light you might be in a situation where you need to get away from people but have little cloak left from a previous fight and then now you can’t run away when your low because you have no ability to run from anyone when you nerf cloak like that

[weak escarp]

Ik this has probaby been said a lot already but Its probably wouldve been better to buff the other light specs rather than nerf invis.

[modern wedge]

you should insta switch back to weapon after recon nade

[woven hawk]

Ghost grenades still exist.

0s ttk.

Instant mystery death. Didn't hear it, didn't see it.

0s ttk mystery insta-death will always be worse than getting stunned by an invis.

Unfortunately majority rules.

[fiery terrace]

I consider to stop playing the finals because of cheaters, I don't have satisfaction anymore when I play ranked. And also where is ads company, when there will be more players the cheater count will be smaller. The game is dying and its sad. Best shooter ever. Was.

[dawn perch]

requesting a "pet" cosmetic that is a dog mounted to your lower back

please 🙏 🐕

[timid kiln]

same and also until light becomes vaiable in ranked past few months been so good this game been so good felt so good had so much fun but some core issues that arent being addressed are ruining that fun

[harsh flicker]

ranked system clarity

[near dew]

This game is so dead there's a cheater every game, the whole team should stop focusing on anything else other than stopping or at the very least limiting cheating to a decent extent, maybe hit up riot for Vanguard idc this shit is wild.

[latent apex]

A buddy brought up team deathmatch and capture the flag for options, as well as other maps. Not a bad idea.

[terse lark]

fr, stun with invis is too easy for how much value it can bring. lot of people want the devs to revert stun to how it was in beta, stun lasts longer but if you take any damage the stun effect is removed. but idk if that is the best option (though still better than what we have now)

[mossy marlin]

optimize your fucking game pls

[little locust]

Everyone talks about stun gun being too strong, but if you don't use it intelligently a medium or heavy can easily 180 and beam you down hip fire before you can drop them, even hitting head shots. if y'all nerf everything people complain about you're going to lose your silent playerbase. light is already the high skill floor option, meaning a lot of the people playing it consistently will be loyal, long-time players. we're either going to have to move on to the annoying af 87 healers on every team or leave the game completely

[restive crescent]

nerf flamethrower, unskilled ass weapon

[maiden sluice]

Flame thrower is trash what 💀

[uneven mountain]

Stop nerfing mesh we didn’t ask for that

[proud geyser]

why you nerf light's invisibility

[teal marsh]

Any chance we get the a version of emulator puffer, volpe bout blanket, bank rabbit and safety garb that can use all headwear? if need be, remove the glitch effect and the hooded parts of these outfits when larger headwear is equipped. Kinda silly to have paid for (and grinded out a battle pass) an outfit and then it’s just…not wearable.
Plus, a lot of the stuff that can “fit” clips out the sides of the hoods anyways (including face wear)

[lyric talon]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tribal oxide]

why to many hacks in game now ?

[wide void]

Low skill floor and ceiling, indeed, but its DPS and range are quite bad compared to the other weapons. It's OP only if you aren't able to hit your shots consistently on the guy burning you.

[royal rampart]

Please add mouse and keyboard support embark TT

[shy quest]

Fix invis

[unreal fossil]

Would be a more interesting defensive/negating tool tbh. I'm not arguing that it should be removed, only tweaked.

Anyway most people complaining about Light nerf probably play like a** with or without stun. In my latest game a L stunned me even though i had 30 hp left. Like bro. It's such a mindless trick that you're not even smart with it. Needless to say he did that all game long and died a lot.

[worn sigil]

Are you serious?! Flamethrowers are sooo OP against Light, even if you die as a heavy, the afterburn damage alone guarantees the lights death! The range is crazy too!

[smoky belfry]

Nurfing cloak is probably the dumbest thing the devs could have done to this game and this is the type of treatment that we get when we don’t say anything at all and stay quite whenever everyone else complains about light class. I have been a light main for a long time and I have not once complained about another class or my own class because I felt it was balanced with lights since we get advantages that allow for us to compete with other classes no matter their buffs or nerfs but by nurfing cloak more it makes it impossible to compete. This is the first time I’m ever complaint about a nerf for light or any build because I honestly feel it’s valid for me to feel this way and feel that the devs made a big mistake. There no way with this new update can people use lights in ranked now. Yes you can nerf stun because it is something that needs to be fixed but cloak was fine what it was at and now it’s not even usable. Light can’t be the player to do damage to all players because it has to focus on doing 1v1 with every player they come across they have no chance to multitask anymore and the devs are going to lose a player base such as myself over us not saying anything and having to deal with the consequences of having no complaints. I hope someone important is reading this and really considering what they are doing to lights before end up killing this game over hearing one side of things other then hearing both sides of peoples arguments because clearly you can tell these devs only hear one side of the story

[carmine thistle]

Real Casuals cry too hard on stungun
Like invis already got a big nerf

[narrow vine]

Sounds like a major skill issue to me. You're way faster, if you see an heavy with a flamethrower why in the world would you be in their range instead of beaming from further away, and if they start chasing you can easily outrun them. Some of yall find any reason to complain for ur own shortcomings bro.

[muted spear]

half the shit thats said here is people who dont want to put time into actually getting good at the game, so their answer is to nerf everything until everything is terrible and game does actually die. it pains me to see a game that is this good to its core be ruined because of all the casual players who dont actually know what the game needs and thats who the devs cater to

[dry lake]

Like in your own words

Sounds like a skill issue to me 😂😂😂

Thank you Embark from nerfing crutch items like Cloak and Stun
Good nerfs

[dry geode]

Not exactly great improvements on the anticheat, 2nd game on today and we match a guy running walls and aimbot.

[hybrid obsidian]

this is true

[obsidian sentinel]

The nerf to cloak really isn't that bad. Most ranked lights run dash anyway

[rigid lance]

BUFF THE CLOAKING DEVICE PLEEEEASE why are the devs making light class useless at this point like cmon. JUST REMOVE LIGHT CLASS AT THIS POINT too many DISADVANTAGES TOO MANY

[glad nacelle]

New equipment idea - Shock Trap!

A trap, that can be placed on any surface. Will be activated within a certain radius and shock the enemy with electricity.

Now comes the most interesting part: activating the trap deals minimal damage (let’s say 50) but the charge remains on the opponent for a while (let’s say 5 seconds). If an enemy teammate comes close enough to charged teammate they will now both be hit (let’s say each person will take 40 damage now). The chain persists untill enemies spread out or after some time, dealing damage every few seconds. More people involved in the chain - less damage is taken by each person. Chain can be broken by Glitch Grenade.

I still don’t know, if the radius needs to be the same as healing beam to make healing difficult or impossible (this requires testing).

The tool serves to force enemies to separate from each other. Can be equipped by Light class to make them more team oriented.

Trap has a lot of potential, can be used to block entrances or a Cashout. What do you think guys?

[graceful prism]

Please show us fame points again, or at least give us an idea when we are close to being demoted or promoted

[rose bluff]

Concurrent player counts are dropping every day and are at the worst they've ever been 12k rn on steamdb. I wonder if it's because they've done nothing but nonstop nerf everything until every gun is terrible or just unfun to play. Take M60 or Lewis gun recoil patterns, which are still good guns, but not fun to play imo. They took way too long to remove nukes and nerf heavy shotgun, and it took 80% of their player base leaving the game before they did it. Idk if they're too scared so they nerf in little increments or if they just don't understand how to balance the game properly.

[crimson schooner]

Id like them js do a bigger update than smaller ones at a time i think they gotta do smtg big to get their player base back and going, honestly this game is great at all but they gotta do smtg and even with the hackers gotta do smtg abt that big time

[little locust]

what ranked lobbies you playing in? the diamond lobbies I'm in 4/5 are running cloak

[modern totem]

Game feedback: Literally my favorite game ever. Great job.
Edit: also give us a option to turn off auto aim on melee weapons.

Also greatest soundtrack and sound design of any game ever.

[hybrid zinc]

best feelin when you finish your dailies and don't need to play anymore

[dry geode]

another one right after, ggs on the anticheat

[young grotto]

Snipers a lil OP in powershift

[unreal fossil]

It's not that they're OP, but they're definitely boring to play against. Or with, for that matter.

[quick coyote]

Flamethrower range is about 7 meters

[noble perch]

I don't have a problem with snipers in Powershift or any game mode for that matter. OR flamethrowers.

What I do have a problem with is that there is no repercussions for people leaving a match in casual. I think there needs to be a punishment added where you have a prolonged timer before you can join another match or something if you've quit out. Or just SOMETHING.

Because this is getting ridiculous with the amount of times you end up in a 3v5 or enter right at the end of a game. It's almost every single game.

[daring fossil]

really tired of playing against aim gods while being matched with potatoes. I understand the player base is thin right now, but please for the love of god I would rather wait 2-5 minutes for a game than play 10 in a row with potato team mates.

[near lava]

Embark going forward I hope yall decide to put in base maps at the beginning of the season and then like a month and a half in plz give us variations for the map so we can get some sort of mid season update. Buff hella guns and change the meta and actually make this game structurally different in the middle of the season. It’s like stepping outside and taking a breath of fresh air and it’s something this game truly needs.

[hexed chasm]

W, now buff heavy

[vocal yacht]

And make Medium IMMORTAL

[fast pasture]

We need a best outfit contest 😂 for the fashion people who switch they drip every day lol

[dense escarp]

You guys ruined L invis it’s actually insane. Character was barely usable in ranked before now it’s not even possible.

[obsidian sentinel]

Plat/Diamond lobbies for me

[carmine thistle]

Its not bad now you have to be smart with your invis use.
I hope they don't go overboard on stungun because of casual complainers

[ionic rampart]

people keep saying this but im of the opinion that if invis was the only way light was usable, they gotta just give light something else instead. invis is not interesting or fun

[surreal meadow]

is this a spawn diff?
(dont mind the loadout im farming levels)

[young minnow]

Why am i playing against diamonds bro im gold

[rancid cloud]

Power Shift should have a limit of two of each class.

No team should have more than two heavies, two mediums, or two lights.

[lament prism]

I think they should reduce the health of the turrets and also if whoever put the turret is killed their turret should self-destruct as well.

[sonic salmon]

game needs duos tired of getting a brain dead third..

[quick coyote]

because 1 looser streamer cried too much about not able to shoot lights no matter what (he player game for 7 hours only lmao)

[torpid sky]

FFS remove melee's aim assist

[drifting pawn]

feature request: allow us to select multiple weapon animations. the selected ones are then randomized with each reload/inspect

[vast hornet]

NEXT SEASON DO DIAMOND DEFIBS PLEASE IT WOULD BE BEST ONE

[hearty sun]

when placing barricades or other placeables, dont show the ghost as blue (or at all?) until its ACTUALLY PLACEABLE...so many times i swap to it, see its blue, click a few times and swap back, and it DOESNT PLACE, never turned orange, just didnt work cuz it was still 'pulling out' the item...

[open dock]

Ranked waiting times are far too long. Solo queue 15-20 minutes without finding a match. I also struggle to find a match with my Bronze 2 friend and I am Silver 1. I've also experienced crashing and one random disconnect after winning a round that forced me in a 1 minute ban. Ranked is the only mode in this game that's oddly buggy

[smoky belfry]

They went overboard with cloak stun needs nerf

[noble perch]

honestly instead of all the bitching and complaining about classes and specials i think they need to fix the problem of everyone quitting mid game in casual.

almost every single match in casual is being massively outweighed player count wise or you end up joining a game right at the very end.

what does it matter what class is being used when you can't even play a full game with a full team anyway. dont like snipers? learn to evade better. don't like flamethrowers? learn to keep your distance. but for the love of god can we figure out a way to make people stop frikkin rage quitting mid match and destroying the game?

(also, why can't we react to peoples messages here, would be nice to see what people agree or disagree with)

[frank knot]

theyre trying too hard to appeal to the noobs with these updates, its kinda unfortunate

[somber patrol]

Istg if i'll see one more "Steal Cashout X Times" bullshit i'm uninstalling.
This shit is impossible to do solo

[dense escarp]

It’s not about being smart though, now if you try and escape a situation you don’t mean to be in it’s impossible as you have to wait so long for it to get built up enough before you can use it again.
They should have reduced the total amount of invis you have not the minimum amount you must have before you can use it.

Yeah they are going to wipe the stun gun to nothing, as everyone complains about L

[zinc haven]

just played 4 h casual. the game lost a little something special. debuffing L will be felt.

[clear crystal]

Please reduce dash charges from 3 to 2 or make them have 50% slower recharge rate

[cursive wolf]

with all due respect - I think that's a dumb idea. dashes are balanced with the light's low HP, if you want to reduce their escapability then you can employ any number of counters

[stoic swan]

just wanted to let all know, the skin at the end of the battlepass for this season is completely visible through smoke so i suggest not using it, when smoke from explosions or smoke grenades are going off in a battle you are still completely visible, it is pay to lose

[full spruce]

What do Objective Score and Objectives mean?

[slender path]

Day 500 of requesting a fix to the heal gun no-lock issue

[fiery knoll]

Anyone feel like the dagger backstab hitbox is bugged?

[edgy coral]

Why can I still be eliminated by cheaters? Every single bullet was heading to my head.

[rancid cloud]

MORE STORY! MORE LORE!

[wise cliff]

Why do you guys refuse to have an in-game chat?

[quick coyote]

They killed this game today. Another meaningless update. +1/-1 blah blah blah. Absolutely zero substance to almost any of these updates since launch. Its not good enough to keep up in 2024. Its really sad honestly, because it started out so fun and just got progressively worse as they continued to listen to the angry nerf mob on discord, while ignoring what everybody has been screaming about basically since day one. Ranked and matchmaking. Each time they nerf something, some of those players just leave. Nobody comes back because of nerfs. Which is pretty obvious with the player count. Embark needs to actually act like they wanna be in the big leagues because this game is about 30-60 days from being completely dead.

[rose surge]

Why did they destroy light cloak today?? This is bullshit.

[drifting gorge]

No clue man. No clue

[digital thorn]

33% is way too harsh a 20 hell even a 18% would have been fine honestly im just hoping they have a big patch notes and somethig that will entice players to come back but honestly no real hope (also i remember there being a map that was in CB that isnt in the game currently which is interesting but whatever)

[wide elk]

literally cloak was the least of anyone’s worries, but all it took was a couple of people whining perpetually and they listened to them for whatever reason

[hardy turret]

those Aftergame Feedback WIndows need Addition Select able "To much Leavers / Rejoiners/ not a full team" to less penalty there

[rose bluff]

Concurrent playerbase is down over 50% in the last month from 30k to 14k on steamdb...

[oak kernel]

they seem to only leave game wide changes for seasonal updates for the most part. I expect we'll just keep seeing litlte pushes to different tools/weapons as this season goes on. It's not in a horrid place at the moment, but I really think what's "killing" the game is the lack of game modes. We really only have like 2, powershift and variations on cashout/quick cash. They do play differently, but the actual game modes themselves don't feel very deep imo. I think they could do with a little bit of spicing up personally.

I also think smoke needs to be given to every class. I didn't really realize it until this season, but all 3 primary counters should be available to every class. It's really frustrating to be playing a match and not be able to counter ONLY fire because only lights can run it. I think it'd be fine if ONLY one class got gas and ONLY one class got fire (or maybe a combination of two of each), but the way it is now just isn't great.

I don't think the weapons are in a fantastic place either. The FCAR doesn't feel quite right anymore. It's the strongest gun in the game, but you always feel like you're a bullet or two short of killing someone, or hit right on the 20th round. I'd love for all the guns to have their recoil patterns make more sense (start small, get large) and get some much needed love. Stronger guns that encourage more burst fire I think would be more healthy for the game than "spam until recoil is basically 0". Most weapons feel like pea shooters outside of right in front of someone (poor famas).

The social features of the game are pitiful. They NEED to add text chat to at least your team - I would prefer having two tabs one for all chat and one to filter to just team chat, but I'll take anything. They also need to allow for adding people on steam, grouping up, etc. Show people's loadouts more clearly at the start of games too so you can coordinate better.

[smoky belfry]

I hope the finals learn their lesson from this nerf on light and if they bring it back to anything other then what it was at before then it won’t be satisfying

[jagged cedar]

Why?

[brittle cedar]

This patch completely tanked performance for some reason. I love this game but this made me uninstall

[dense escarp]

more people were having problems with stun which i would have been okay with. Destroying cloak was THE WORST thing they could have done, this will diminish the last few thousand player count they have left lol

[spare cape]

Tbh not much of a reason to play anymore already made it to diamond, the light nerf was insane absolutely no reason to nerf it like that especially in diamond lobbies where you will still be spotted in cloak. Since season one I’ve been begging for haptic/adaptive trigger support for ps5 & 120hz support for ps and Xbox. There are too many amazing competitive shooters out rn with amazing haptics for me to stick with this blindly. Not a fan of cod but xdefiant jus dropped so good luck embark. Y’all killed light with it being the most underpowered class by far with 150hp. That’s 4/5 shots from a fully Auto fcar 😵 especially with the light nerfs still comming up I’m out. Stun sure coulda been needed but invis was fine especially in diamond lobbies even then you’ll get hip fired and die of make it out with 10-30 hp because LIGHT ONLY HAS 150hp. While the meta will still be MMH/HHM. Sucked the fun outta the game I’ll maybe be back next season but with no console support/no haptics. And your need to kill lights with this brain dead heavy/medium meta I can’t take it anymore. Love you embark hope you get bring haptics to the table there’s no reason to play anymore.

[thin lintel]

Ohh man! Is this real? 8 crashes and 1 pc restart today!

[placid elm]

This comes off as so whiney and just like one long stream of consciousness

[stoic roost]

RIP LIGHT PLAYERS? No... *RIP Cowardly players, all light players have the same skill, stun and invisibility to attack from behind because they have no fps skill 😂😂😂, light players have to play with other skills, those who use medium or heavy in rank or in normal matches always change the way they play with other skills and other strategies, those who use light only use the same thing making the matches tiring and disgusting, light players! Improve your fps skills! i'll love this big change, great job Embark ❤👏👏👏

[drowsy stump]

The lights getting nerfed is beautiful. I can’t wait to see all the light mains crying because their precious little Light is nerfed.

[upper citrus]

its funny how the people who complain about invis always call invis users no skill when invis is literally only a noob stomper. good players have awareness

[frail prawn]

The game needs to stop the bans when its caused by a crash, two consecutive crashes, all on the loading screen, what am I supposed to do?

[carmine thistle]

if you're going to nerf stungun
Nerf its Cooldown from whatever it is now 12-15 seconds to 25-40 seconds so its spammed alot less.

Its still a useful tool & needs to be kept as such.
You already eliminated the spam use of Invis now just give stungun the same treatment & it will promote smarter usage.
& will be less of a spammed "kill button" so many bronze players complain about

[green wharf]

Heavy is next in roation for diamond skin - if im correct

[fiery umbra]

the circuits are too easy. You should not be able to complete a week`s worth of challenges in 4 matches

[rich fox]

this game died quick.

[tall wave]

I eat mediums and heavies for breakfast and I wanna keep it that way these light nerfs are against my interests

[smoky belfry]

Legit don’t have a reason to play anymore I already hit diamond and the fun I did have playing light is ruined with this new update so yeah

[jagged cedar]

So uh... when are those melee fixes

[near snow]

do something about the spawn camping in power shift

[winged wadi]

If in a ranking one person leaves, they still take away your experience, are you crazy?

[formal walrus]

lights nerf == killing the game lol

[tidal lake]

Quit nerving heavy.

[surreal osprey]

I'm ranked gold 1 and have been searching for a match for 30 minutes but no game yet? Anyone like me?

[stable lagoon]

Stupid ideas like these are why lights honestly deserve more nerf

[quaint forge]

Pls fix match matchingggg it’s still so f ing messed up

[sonic spoke]

servers seam really off tonight.

[edgy lotus]

When all but one team is wiped, or nothing is happening, Scotty and June should have some unrelated conversation. Just something miscellaneous to pass the time.

[versed cloud]

Stop giving us bronze teammates when we are in platinum and diamond. What's the point of placement matches, if where you are placed doesn't dictate who you compete with?

[kindred igloo]

light nerf was unnecessary, cloak is still playable just like why tf are y'all making squishy class have a harder time staying alive than the already do

[upper citrus]

This patch was kind of awful I'm not going to lie. The part of cloak that annoys casual players (shooting directly out of cloak) is still in the game and will still happen in very quick cash game and frustrate casual players. But now cloak is more annoying to use. So now both parties are having less fun. This is very similar to the recoil nerfs that were implemented for the FCAR and Lewis and it's a huge step in the wrong direction

[gaunt nymph]

buff heavy and medium, remove light from the game

[wintry hare]

its impossible to kill a heavy with riot shield if theyre being healed. fix

[delicate marlin]

Please make grenades easier to see. Its annoying taking 149 dmg randomly

[rugged adder]

Why did you nerfff INVVVVVISSSSS??????? you have ruined light class embark

[jolly elm]

Team rank plat+

[upper eagle]

Slugh shotgun headshot when

[odd ibex]

Have a strongly visible laser sight so others can see u r using RPG,u have to aim down sight to fire or it takes a while to switch to rpg and add a second delay for firing rpg.
Make damage 100 and slightly decrease cool-down for balance.
Heavy has most health,best shield plus rpg and Lewis combo is too much.
Why don’t light have quicker regen health?

Also why does medium the most well rounded class have hitscan and high fire rate spammy turret?!

I know there r counters but I want my play style around fun,not counters to annoying problems,time to kill is wayyy to quick,it’s less then a second and it’s not even a skill issue cause I can play the meta but it’s not fun

💀I tried playing power shift the game is full of snipers,jumping medium grenade launcher and flamethrower heavy it’s an awful experience.

In quick cash it’s Lewis and f scar that still beams every player all the time and m11 needs hipfire and recoil nerf.

The cloak has got a visual buff cause I really can’t see it and in Reddit everyone agrees,remember cloak was made when it took 2 mags to get a player now cloak and smg milliseconds melt players out of no where!

Listen! U can’t have season1 weapons with season 2 balance it doesn’t work,it’s a mess and u r losing player look at the numbers,those dumb new weapons won’t fix ur game with that ks23 being an inferior revolver and famas being mediocre as shit.

Stop trying to make this game having such a fast time to kill competitive esport call of duty knock off that u can’t make use of the environment like it was so fun post launch now the fun stuff got nerfed out of the game.

I liked this game when it first released and now it’s fully changed and the recent people who r used to what they know keep making dumb arguments

[severe birch]

So how are devs going to get more people to play this game?

[idle geyser]

this ranked system is actually messed up, i made an alt to see what playing on an alt would be like cause my d3 main was struggling to climb even winning most of the games. In less than 30hr i managed to hit t500 on the alt, and gain rank on games id clearly lose rank on if i were on my main, it makes no sense

[quick coyote]

FLAME THROWER IS OVER POWERED NEEDS A NERFT THANKS.

[bleak nexus]

Remove Elevator Cashouts

[fickle lance]

Could we get power shift in private matches, and maybe a spectator team?

[gentle mango]

damn nerfing invis kinda made the sh1900 unplayable, just when i was starting to have fun using it as well..

[pseudo latch]

Day 36 of me begging the devs to give heavy an M134 Minigun as a Specialization.

• 200 Round magazine, ammo is restored two bullets every second, 100 seconds for a full reload.
• 20 rounds per second, eleven damage a round, 220 DPS
• Falloff begins at 30 meters down to six damage a shot at 50, but wide spread means the weapon becomes less effective past 10 meters even against larger targets
• bullets do high damage to structures (should be breaking walls in 20-50 shots) allowing a mid-range option to output mass destruction (destroying entire walls on higher floors of buildings, ripping apart nesting sightlines)
• • significant damage to structures and players
• • gun can be pre-spooled with RMB over having an ADS (for obvious reasons, you try to aim down the sights of a water cooler)|
• • high suppressive force through sheer amount of bullets being fired
• • its a goddamn minigun
• - Heavy cannot jump or sprint while holding it, has to switch back to primary
• - lengthy equip-unequip time to balance such, no “pocket minigun” strats, choosing to use this is a commitment
• - gun has to spool up for a second before firing, spool up being LOUD

[frank sluice]

What fortnite did and what helped keep the player base there was that they didn't just pump out a skin each week they pumped out new content each week adding new items and changing the map each week keeping people excited rather than only adding new content at the start of each season as you guys seem to be doing. The player base is dying please spam out content we don't really care if it's balanced or not it'll be fun

[elfin turtle]

Embark, I hope this review reaches you.
There is a game that I hold dear in my heart from my childhood. It used to have incredible metas and many powerful possibilities, but this got lost.
I recently watched a video which made it clear to me what is it hat killed that games gameplay. They decided to handle these metas by "balancing" them down, making them essentially unviable, reducing creativity and possibility for fun.
This video instead proposed that we should aim to make what is not part of the meta more powerful, rather than nerfing what is, because if you nerf what is working then your game becomes flat and boring.

Seriously, do not let this game die. Right now your updates are in line with nerfing what is powerful, rather than making what isnt working better, and this WILL kill this game in the long term.

I genuinely believe that it is almost primarily that which is responsible for low player counts.

Encourage skilled behavior and creative gameplay rather than flattening everything out.

Buff those things which arent used and are currently unviable rather than nerf the meta.

I am literally down on my knees begging you. If you were to be able to see my steam game time as a graph, you would see that I havent played any game really much in years, and then BAM this game drops and i have almost 200 in game hours in such a short time.

Please dont ruin this.

[wintry hare]

agreed 100%

[wide elk]

exactly.
i think PirateSoftware covered this before too
i have ~700 hours so take that for what you will

[devout charm]

Good points, but 200 hours isn't much.

[drowsy field]

Yo so like the same hacker problem hasn't changed at all. Encountered a full 3 stack of rage hackers jumping on a one bouncepad beaming people from over 150 meters away. I get it you're working on the anticheat but like please increase the ranked tournament requirements back until you figure out the anticheat.

Not only that, the spawns are still terrible for ranked and quick cash. Why am I spawning across the entire map on last cashout? Why am I spawning across the map from a cashout I currently possess? Why am I spawning across the map at all for quick cash, which is supposed to be the most chaotic mode? This issue has survived way too long.

Next. The crashing issues. I love that you guys fixed TFAV1012 last week. That bug plagued me since season 1. However, this update broke something else/introduced a new crash. Now I experience severe memory leaks after winning first round in ranked. 100% memory utilization. I look this up and some others have experienced this issue as well. Please do more testing on lower-mid range PCs or just do more testing in general.

I love this game but please please please work on the anticheat and stability before anything.

[shrewd dirge]

Dude tell me about it, I want this game to succeed but there's so many glaring issues that significantly limit this game's potential. What baffles me the most is that this game comes from a team of seasoned Battlefield developers; you'd think they'd have the issues that plague this game figured out.

[halcyon dock]

Copypasta moment

[woven hawk]

Remove stun and cloak, give Lights recon and 175 HP. No more cheap plays, yet more viability in ranked. It's quite the suggestion but it could be good for all classes.

[swift laurel]

revert lobby spin speed

[teal minnow]

BUFF LIGHT HP TO 175 OR 200 , NERF FCAR , BRING BACK NUKES , PLS EMBARK DO SOMETHING

[quick coyote]

i hope embark figure out whats best for this game because all this talk is just nonsense.

[plucky badger]

Day 23 advocating for the ability to hold right click on dagger and throwing knives

[frank sluice]

Exactly nukes and snukes were fun and hectic and rediculous and so damn unique and now that all you do is balancing this game is just going to turn into cs go except you can sprint oh wait that's call of duty. Don't take away what we love about this game what makes it unique is all the craziness stop balancing maybe add nukes back and make it crazy similiair to what fortnite does with all it's crazy weapons and just keep adding shit

[carmine thistle]

Buff glitch nade back to 10 seconds
If you really want to nerf it somehow after this change
Then I propose Nerfing the amount 2 -> 1 But decrease the cooldown

If you're insistant on keeping the current amount of glitch to 2
Then buff it to 7 second duration

Cloak took a big hit Personally could care less about this one but you're just converting more lights to Dash
and I don't think its terrible
but I think the audio should be slightly quieter
Because in Higher elo play it gets detected easily.

Stungun is up next
Just hit the Cooldown -> 12ish seconds to 20/40 seconds so its less of a spam (potential kill) tool.

Potential Ideas
1.
Give light a Heal Bomb that can be used on self or on team
Or
Give Vanish bomb some **instant heal **
This is just for light to get some more team Utility

Give Light a Shock trap that is basically stun but in trap form.
Its effectiveness can very depending on how good it actually becomes in comparison to the taser.

[rich galleon]

It would be nice if Embark shared the kill stats per class/ability.

I have a gut feeling that # of kills under invisibility was way too high so it secured nerfing the invis ability

[warm compass]

as heavyweight main this game is stupid suck now heavyweight shield is suck why you f nerf it again and nerfing lightweight is dumb instead of nerfing stungun range you killed the clocking ?!?

[astral trail]

Suggestion for the Discord's "game-feedback"

**Issue: **Too many scrubs don't know how to properly post a feedback report. They using this as chat or an place to complain than making a real report for feedback/suggestion for the game.

Solution: Add a Discord Bot like "Listener" to handle the "game-feedback". That could prevent "normally chat and complains without details".
This bot could make a easy detailed report that could be used in actually development; than having to read every other slothful person's complain that has no details nor reasoning for changing game content.

[white mango]

nerf light to op

[prime rapids]

nerf light to op

[dense folio]

nerf light to op

[visual bronze]

i think the light nerfs should be instead of 33 for cloak it should be 20 - 25 for the stun gun nerf range from 11 to 5.5 so they have to close the distance and you have a better chance at killing them hipfireing

[smoky belfry]

Embark the only thing I have to say about the update is that you nerfing cloak I believe is such a bad idea and now we have to relearn how to use cloak completely. It made a huge difference and I’m a controller player and I felt that the only way I could actually compete at the same level as pc players is by having cloak the way it was before and now you mess up the ability to have cloak as a defense ability as well and it can only be used to get a single kill and then you have to leave your team just to get health back it really makes lights inconvenient to use at this point. The only joy I found from continuing to play this game was taken away from such a massive nerf. I do believe stun needs a nerf but the cloak was fine we’re it was at before

[stable wadi]

How am I top fragging by significant margins legitimately every game and DERANKING this system is a joke

[upper citrus]

Why should you rank up for getting kills? That’s not the objective of the game 😭

[boreal delta]

I hate you still de rank when teammate disconnects beginning to mid game

[honest harness]

There is no need to nerf anything in that game. Tbh it get with every update worse. Everything is getting nerfed and light was already nerved massively.
I normally don't flame about changes but imo if everything gets nerved, the game gets boring. Stop it!

[wide elk]

yeah all of the decent suggestions and cool ideas get buried by all of the noise and misplaced conversations

[violet solstice]

So sick of the Devs continually nerfing the weakest class in the game. All the Devs seem to do is listen to the whining Mediums & Heavy's who just want to dominate! The lights are already so much weaker than the other classes the Cloak was about the only thing that attempted to even the field & make light competitive. Nerfing Stun is good but nerfing Cloak again is just plain stupid! The Devs are essentially killing off light class. How much weaker can Lights get?

[cobalt remnant]

[jagged cedar]

Uh

[smoky gust]

Light is weaker than both other classes
Cloak is the only thing attempting to even the playing field

Does that sound well balanced to you?

We couldnt buff light because of cloak, once its toned down a little, light itself can receive a buff which should help their whole kit

[sleek flame]

Bro you didn’t miss on this one 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[little locust]

Interesting way to look at it. What ways would you suggest buffing the light kit? Adding hp makes them essentially a fast medium. Make them faster? Playing with random lights will suck since they will always be in their own. Another way of looking at it is that the rest of the light gear needed to be improved to bring them up to a usable level. Honestly either works for me but imo, cloak is going the way of recon senses. Getting nerfed to being unusable and then removed because it’s not fun anymore. It was a fun play style that I don’t find usable anymore and will miss from the game

[severe birch]

wtf in gaME AND vault icons did not spawn...

[upper citrus]

This would be true if cloak was actually good to begin with and light didn’t have a million S tier gadgets that also make it good.

[smoky belfry]

It’s the fact that out of all things in light class the one thing that was actually balanced was the cloak and still got nerfed

[warm compass]

i didn’t get it

[lament cave]

I have no complaints. I’ve finally decided to play the game after linux support was officially added some time ago and performance is incredible. The game seems well optimized and I get a consistent 360FPS under DXVK

[torpid shale]

1. Add more contestant preset selection so i can equip all of the other good outfits and cosmetics. I hate changing one of the build every time a new outfit comes out of the store haha

2. Add text chat please. Some ppl on voice chat doesnt want to shut up haha

3. Bring back Weekly Contracts and Fame points for Ranked. The rank level up is so messy its like fighting your demon self to rank up haha

4. Do more for the anti-cheat software because a lot of cheaters have been slipping in. Reporting after game doesnt seem to work at all. Are they really working just like Riot Games?

5. A grenade indicator for the UI. Its hard to track especially at dark/night.

6. Fix Scotty's and June's voice. A huge downgrade for AI voices when the Season 2 started. Hire a real person/voice actor instead.

7. When are the official merch coming out? I want Finals keychain, Nama and Moolah plushies, Odilia/Ariad figure and moreeee

8. Please collab with Secret Labs chair. I'd like to change my chair skin with Finals logo on it haha

That would be all, Embark. Thank u and love u! Ps: stop nerfing everything, would ya?

[wet iron]

i have a suggestion when it comes to private matches, you should be able to start early with only 2 people cause there has been time where i want to do a customs but i don’t have 5 other friends to play with, i only have 3-4 friends who play the game, other than that the game is good

[fiery tartan]

or better yet completely remove the restriction 😭

[smoky gust]

@little locust
Adding a little hp can work, though im not too sure about it.
Some people have been suggesting faster regen, which should be fine.
Lights are already on their own often, changing the speed wouldnt make them teamplay less.
One idea i had was slowing them down less when aiming down sight, so that they can try to dodge shots and make thier enemies miss, this would also add another layer of skill expression.

I think lights gear is mostly fine, the class itself needs a little something
(With a few exceptions like dagger for example)

They also said they were looking into visual/audio issues with cloak
So if those get fixed and its a little fairer, the nerfs can probably be reverted

[proud ocean]

Reduce numbers of players in ranked tournaments. Unranked format was WAY better

[cyan trench]

they cant do that, because it would cost too much to run so many servers, sadly. Maybe in the future

[wicked hamlet]

I support this

[vestal basin]

Give free official cheat for everyone, so that the game will be balanced

[rigid notch]

Embark, I really enjoy your game. I have not seen anyone do a shooter like this with a destructible sandbox environment. It's unique and I love it, and I think the game could even better if you added a waypoint opacity setting in the settings. Would be a nice quality of life change to see.

[cinder holly]

I have a request from a friend of mine. Is there anyway we can get a fly by overhead view of the carnage when the game ends?? Just did a powershift run and everything was gone lol. Just thought it would be a cool after game thing since we get a before view as we enter.

[glad laurel]

can we please have cb1 dash back for real
and also i want prop jumping like cb1. it looks extremely fun for real no cap

[forest mason]

New Gamemode: Capture the Flag; Bring Enemy Cashbox back to homebase

[whole acorn]

Why is it that when I play ranked I’ll go up 3 bars but won’t advance to the next rank… if anything just add extra bars if it doesn’t take just 3 to advance to the next rank. It’s annoying feeling like I be going hard for no reason

[woven hawk]

Frag grenade indicator please. Or make it louder / more visible.

Mystery insta-death isn't fair. 0s ttk should be deserved, not lucky.

[odd tundra]

**Suggestion for #👂┇game-feedback ** I believe it would be better if Embark made a separate ticket tool similar to Eggbot with a more constructive format.

The format could be:
PlayerID/IGN:
Suggestion for: This could be a drop down menu for where the suggestion is for – is it ingame (which gamemode or part of the game like UI), discord related, community events, system, etc.
Concern: There will always be a reason why people make a suggestion. Players showing their POV of what made them create the suggestion will help CMs and developers understand where they are coming from. The concern could also make navigation and organization easier.
Your suggestion: (Please refrain from using profanity or degrading comments, we use analytics and logic to make THE FINALS, its system and other aspects better.) We would greatly enjoy more data or clips, how you experience the game or the problem behind it. Skill issues are a skin not a concern for your grievance or negative feedback. Thank you

Are you satisfied with what you have suggested? (Yes or no, only) This is more of another filter on how they review what they have said. It’s similar to asking someone – are you feeling better after this.

Thank you devs and CMs for your constant work btw

[languid sonnet]

I started a ranked tournament game, only got 1 teammate, still played very well but didn't win the first round, Still got negative points on my rank?!?! Why is this a thing...

[hazy bobcat]

CONTESTANT CREATION SUGGESTION:

Would be nice to be able to copy a contestant, a lot of class respective builds are quite similar, would be nice to just copy one I have than to start one from scratch.

[shut nest]

if yall wanna nerf taser ideas to nerf it: 1. make it barely not hit-scan 2. make it so it needs to hit somone first then activate the electricity with a slow animation (like real taser) also balance out light loadout pool current single meta loadouts: invis, xp54, glitch nade taser, gateway and same thing but replace something with thermal sights to counter invis

[unreal mulch]

have outfit loadouts

[tawny geyser]

The cheaterland is dead

[bleak phoenix]

ah , finally a good patchnote , thanks you

[smoky belfry]

After playing with the new update I have seen the way they nerfed invis messes up so much and it’s such a big change that now cloak can no longer be used as a defense mechanism. I have to relearn how to use cloak now since it’s changed so much and change my entire gameplay and Ik you were trying to get rid of spam cloak but what if I get shot and I try using cloak to get away and then I get shot again and I can’t use cloak to get away anymore because it’s drained so fast. that’s what I mean by not having any defense anymore to stay alive cause it drains so much by using cloak when you doubled it from 15% to 33%. Another thing is now as a light you can no longer be near your team when needed because you can only use cloak for such a short time you can get one kill and then you have to run and hide until your health comes back and leave your team behind. You can no longer help your team out by doing tics of damage to people because once you get shot your cloak only last long enough to get away from people. These flaws show how much cloak was already balanced before y’all nerfed it. Another flaw is now since y’all nerfed cloak I can no longer compete at the same high level as pc players since I believed what made this game fun was that this was the first game that console players could actually compete with pc players with their specialties at the same level since pc has always dominated every game. I had fun playing this game because of the cloak gave me the first edge over pc players that I have ever had playing any game but now that’s gone and I feel that we’re always underneath pc players. I don’t mind and feel that stun does needs to be nerfed or even taken out the game but keep cloak to where it was before. If there’s anyone that agrees with me please like this message or something so it can get the devs attention. Thank you

[crystal umbra]

I won't lie, I'm a Light main and I tried the sniper for the first time the other day.
It makes me want to double down on my Bow & Arrow suggestion.

The Sniper had a low skill floor with the other tools in the class that make it so effective. Cloak and Grapple make the player pretty elusive while having high hitscan damage. I could feel that I was being annoying while the medium and heavy classes couldn't do anything it was up to the enemy light players to counter me.

Nevertheless, I - even more so now - feel that a replacement would be worth a shot. I think a bow would be a fun and challenging option.

Draw Strength/Speed:
Things like Range, Damage, & Rate of Fire could be scaled per draw depending on how long you pull the bow back
Example: Max 1second draw time = full damages/full range
0.5 second draw time = half damage/half range
0.25 seconds draw time = you get the idea

**Quicker shots allow for faster higher rate with a direct sacrifice of damage.
((Personally, I think that would allow for some sick Gameplay clips.))

Accuracy:
The arrow goes where you put it.
The way I imagine this is that you possibly use the blue line for grenades and such as an indicator for the bow and the longer you draw the bow back is the straighter the blue line becomes to show where it should hit.

Damage:
I think it would be SICK if you could hit a headshot with a bow that has projectile time. I think something like that should be rewarded so I think the damage should be at least as much as the current Sniper.

I'm sure I forgot some things but it's just some food for thought.

Thanks for your consideration 🚀

[wary storm]

stop nerfing everything and focus on cheaters and getting ranked match making into a good place. weekly nerfs/buffs are ridiculous. should be at the start of the seasona and a tweak if something is being abused all over and is op during the seaosn, but not weekly updates. ridiculous, the game changes every week and its so inconsistent and reactive

[clear crystal]

Letting me save outfits would be awesome

[shy swan]

NERF THE FUCKING FLAMETHROWER unfun and is spammed

[earnest sierra]

embark should really do something about the hackers they're way too much in this damn game and EAC is a pile of shit it's unbareable like get a good anticheat like vanguard and make a ban mid-game or delete this game and develope a better one like this is too much tbh

and nexon shit is not doing anything other than colleccting data and stealing information go look for the fkn people who sell their cheat software and analyze it with any damn shit to prevent it from working and give perma ban to anyone using it

hackers just gets 20 kills per round never miss a shot and pre aiming bcs of wall hacks all that is undetected even by statics no fkn human will have a 100% accuracy with his shots and when i for only damn once tried to use a macro to see how the v9s would be with it i got kicked for a disallowed tool??????? and the hacker is undetected and playing hundred of games without any issue but when i tried a macro once i got detected and it was in the damn practice range

[broken lake]

please buff dagger, I have been begging since release

[bitter aspen]

embark needs to nerf how fast you can scope with the sniper, too many people running around quickscoping, not playing the objective and thinking they are skilled when its a hitscan weapon

[fickle linden]

-reports any suspicious behavior, that'll help us get them quicker

[spiral light]

Report suspicious behavior <:magnifyegg:1111293374897590292>

Have you seen suspicious behavior in-game?

Send a report through the Social menu (ESC -> Social or press P). Press the icon near the player's nickname to report them.

You can also send detailed reports to our support team: LINK

[quick coyote]

just deranked from D3 to D4 because cheaters

[sacred siren]

Y'all should change this slow mode to once a day, autoreact with up or down arrows on each post and let people vote on changes, and ban/mute people from this channel if they post stuff that isn't feedback related. (Can be done with autoroles).
All this channel is at this point( and long before ) is just a vent channel where a large amount of casual/lower rank players make a disproportionate amount of noise about things that they dont know/have very little experience about. Casual player base is important, but they get a disproportionate amount of representation because higher skilled players don't take the time post here.
For example, people are obsessed with 1v1s in a team based objective game (even in casual modes), on paper ttk comparisons (on paper means nothing in game because of randomness).
And give feedback when people that we report are banned. Everyone complains about cheaters, and keeps complaining about them because there's no positive feedback involved in reporting them.

[mystic briar]

BROTHER YOU COOKED WITH THE LAST LINE

[azure quest]

At the beginning of the ranking process, there were often disconnections, which is a serious bug. Please fix it as soon as possible. Some disconnections cannot be reconnected, and some have been brought up for competition. The previous version of the game loading will not cause people to disconnect. I also hope that game optimization can be better

[smoky lily]

every game filled with cheaters who shoot through shields

[long flame]

Meele Lock on must go!!!!

[boreal sentinel]

We need 1000 VRS to be converted into 25 Vbucks. VRS is a useless feature at this point.

[marble jackal]

buff grapple and dash instead of nerfing invis simple

[dull hemlock]

Have not been able to even get into a ranked match in weeks. Other people in my region have reported getting multiple matches while friends and I sit in queue. We've changed our region, relaunched, tried waiting up to 45 minutes in queue, tried resetting every 5 minutes, tried changing party leaders, tried duo queuing/solo queuing instead of a full team, etc. Something is just fucked with our matchmaking. Tried to report it, tried to ask devs, been getting stonewalled at this point. Feels like there's some sort of elephant in the room that's not being addressed with it, and it's not just us. We literally just want to play the game.

[quick coyote]

The same type of people who keep asking for light nerfs.

[echo panther]

Buff dagger (Day 12)

[fiery terrace]

Cheaters. Cheaters everywhere.

[pallid patrol]

My 4 cents with ideas on how to boost this game's longevity:

• Community servers + server browser. Pretty much the primary thing to add to secure this game's future, and one of the best solutions/mitigations to the cheater problem (provided that there'll be also an ability for admins to extensively moderate their own server... maybe even a votekick?). Even if the worst comes to pass and the game's support ends, with this addition the community will be able to keep it alive by themselves. I have a feeling that Embark is no stranger to such features... and The Finals is more than a suitable game for this implementation.
• Pre(post)-match lobbies. This, in my opinion, would significantly improve the social aspect of the game: being able to interact with the people you play with even after the match ends, voting for maps together, banding up into parties with said people, even something as simple as giving endorsements, and so forth. I understand that we have things like Discord and such, and I know that there's no in-game text chat to begin with (though I'm still not sure why Embark is so hesitant about adding it)... But I think that not only these kinds of lobbies will tighten the connection between players, but also make the whole community stronger and more unified.
• Gamemode mixtape. Basically the ability to pick and mix gamemodes (and maybe maps) to play on. Like searching matches for both Cashout and Quick Cash, or for every mode at once.
• Map editor. Wishful thinking at this point, since the maps are the most complex aspect of the game with dynamic destruction and all... Yet it would be just so gratifying to make something and then tear or blow it up apart with others. I don't expect this feature to come any time soon, but... in 4-5 years, maybe?

Oh, and on an unrelated note - more contestant slots, please and thank you.

[solemn light]

do you see the sniper in ranked???? NO. The sniper has not been touched since the release of the game. the sniper is not OP and its actually a bad gun compared to ALL of the other options. It literally takes 3 body shots to kill a M. If you are getting clipped on I suggest you get better and stop whining.
The sniper is so hard to use in a useful way you have no idea. Good sniper players have to position themselves and be able to take 1v1s with only 6 bullets, 100% accuracy, slow time between shots and a L health pool. Let that sink in. Quickscoping is essential to 1v1s encounters when sniping bc then, they should just remove it altogether. You wouldnt be able to push with the sniper if not for quickscoping.
Last point, the sniper is legit the first weapon you can use for free. People who are new often use it to "have fun" and try to do Call of Duty things. They often find in a point tthat the sniper is not like COD and they will lose all the time bc they arent playing the objective.

[severe turtle]

Ok but embark please fix the bug for console players. Where they’re in a ranked tournament and can’t looad in. That comes to a cost for me because I cannot rank up I’m. Actually a good player but I always sit out and wait 6-20 mins because if close the game and reconnnect it says error server what ever and which forces me to end the game and get hit with as two hour ban I play on ps5. Please embark im begging you fix that issue in the necxt week patch I bought a battle pass and wish I could on the first please embark im begging you fix that issue next week this game is dm so fun to me and the hackers to fix that

[outer jackal]

📔📩🛍️🪄📻🕰️💶🎣

[light river]

Can we get PC CHEATERS out of console lobbies please.

[plush shell]

buff all guns, dont nerf

[bitter aspen]

yes i do, 2/3 matches i come across players using the sniper and quick scoping, its not a skill issue when the fcar was nerfed for its range and the recon equipment was removed futhermore the sniper does not take skill, try using the kraber from titanfall, the sniper is easy to use, it sounds like a skill issue from your end, its a hitscan weapon and as someone who competed in halo tournaments i can tell you that sniper is a crutch for bad players who cant recoil control or use their movement, you talk about rank play like thats the basis of what the game should be balanced around when that mode itself is broken personally the game does not need a sniper but rather power weapon pickups that all players use, ive never seen as many snipers as i did this season then it was in the beta, im not asking to nerf the damage but the ability to quick scope fast, im asking for people to actually play the game rather then turn it into a quickscoping match, the nerf to stun and invis was not needed as it originally had the counter which was moved to light, the sniping wouldnt be a problem if the med had a dmr or a buff range to one of its three weapons

[crystal umbra]

Some whacky/fun add-on ideas:

"Sonic Arrow":
"Attach" a sonar grenade to the bow and basically increases range of the sonar grenade since you equipped it with the bow

-Would be cool to see how other throwable gadgets would work like a flash bang arrow or explosive tip arrow.

Alternate fire:
Rapid Fire vs. Full Draw - Maybeeee it would be cool to have a two fire modes.
-One where we fire from the hip (not "scoped in"). Less accurate. Quick draw
-The other where we "scope in" and fully draw the weapon for full force, accuracy, & damage. (Still needing skill since there is projectile speed and bullet drop)

This is some of the other stuff I had in mind but I was to lazy to add to the OP. I couldn't go to sleep without adding these thoughts though.

Thanks for your consideration 🚀

[turbid gate]

the main problem is lights health, as a dps class it needs to be able to out dps a medium at least when getting the jump on them as intended however that isnt the case in todays meta,the fcar single handedly destroys light since it has a higher dps than all of lights weapons thus making a medium running fcar a dps build that can survive a lights ambush even with full headshots the ttk is simply to vast of a difference. this bringins me to my next point health either if it was brought up to 200 itd fix a lot since most players know how to hit their shots then theyd need only to take stun out and make like an aoe effect where opponents cant use gadgets/steal cash/revive etc and has an instant detonation that is stationary like a dome shield that last12 second disables all gadgets not specialties. this would give light a controller ablity like so many of the other classes have these are big changes but if they want to see this game thrive with only 3 classes to balance then it needs to be done. although light doesnt need these things exactly, it lacks control/survivability. both of the other classes have control/survivability eventhough they are advertised as otherwise. thanks for the consideration

[merry creek]

Me and multiple others have been trying to get them to comment on this ever since they made the MM change, but cimplete silence on here,twitter,embark portal,Facebook and YouTube.
Devs don't seem to give a fuck about console.
LFGs at the lowest they ever been on xbox.. playerbase on console must be down to barebones.... xdefiant (even if its shit) will take what little players they have left

[deft moth]

200 health light lmao, all credibility out of the window with that one

[clever idol]

bro really?

[wise cliff]

Why isn't there a special animation for winning a tournament? Why does it have to be the same as all the other winning animations?

Why aren't any of the highlights of the matches shown after a tournament like they would be on an actual game show?

[faint sky]

If nobody is playing who you will play aganst?

[solemn light]

So you are asking for the removal of a weapon not bc its op but bc its annoying? WoW. Please go to general and try to get people to agree with you. I use ranked bc it is the true aspect of this game. You use casual to have fun, complete challenges and try nerw tactics/weapons. You are talking about removing sniper bc in YOUR matches you see people sniping and quickscoping and the games arent enjoyable to you. You talk about buffing other weapons to undermine the sniper even though, AGAIN, it is one of the worst guns in the game and hard to use already. "but the ability to quick scope fast" this kills the weapon as it makes it unsuable to use it to push the objective. This game REVOLVES about pushing the objective. You are stating to REMOVE the sniper bc its annoying. Please remind yourself that you are in a feedback channel. How would a Light sniper push the objective with 6 bullets, slow fire rate, slow aim, No quickscopes, Light healthpool and having 100% accuracy?? Yoou would have to hit a Heavy 4/6 times in about 15 secs. A response to your NERF (or total annihilation) would be to move the newly updated sniper to heavy or medium and increase its damage; since the gun wouldnt be viable to push the objective with (the main focus of this game)

[dull hemlock]

Other people in my region are getting into tournaments. Do not try to claim it's a population issue. And to be blunt, after over four hours just in queues, not counting relaunch times and whatnot, if that's not going to give a match that's a whole other issue.

EDIT: And also no, not OCE. This is NA.

[light river]

The game is dying very quick on console. Sad to see cause it has great potential. PC cheaters will push all console players away. As it can be long queue times searching with cross play off. Who has time to wait 10, 20, or 30 minutes to find a match.

[dull elm]

But the whole problem is that there isn't a way to fix it

You can open the matchmaking up but then everyone is mad that you have gold fighting diamonds
There simply aren't enough players to have a good ranked match since you need 50 players queuing up at the same time while having the same rank. Especially with games taking 30mins+ to complete

I feel like they should remove one round in ranked so the players needed are half
If the game gains popularity they can revert it back

[oak gate]

Buff idea for burst weapons;
Let players hold down the fire button to do burst-auto firing, so it’s still doing 3 round bursts with a short cooldown in between but you don’t have to spam click the button so much. You could also make it so that it would technically be faster to spam click fire, but holding the fire button is slower yet more reliable etc

[ancient hare]

If it hasn't been suggested and I'm sure it has, more class slots and the ability to rename classes would be cash money

[unreal fossil]

To be fair snipers are only ever an issue in PS. And by issue I mean that they can spawn camp and spend the whole game taking shots at (but not necessarily killing) enemy players who actually fight for the platform.

It's not game-breaking, but it's certainly annoying and does not push players to play the objective.

April Fool's PS did not have the sniper available, it was much more enjoyable/action packed that way.

Snipers generally fail at doing anything relevant in Cashout. They're pretty much a dead weight whenever the cashout is located inside buildings unless we're talking Vegas/Horizon with very wide rooms. And even then, they're more of a nuisance than an actual threat against a stacked team using mesh/dome/barricade/heal/defib.

Edit: I should add that this is the case unless the Light playing sniper has a god-tier aim and consistently lands HS, but we're talking about a small minority of players. Most will be better off using something else in the Light arsenal, LH1 being the top pick for (more forgiving and flexible) mid to long range gameplay.

[plush shell]

embark don't nerf weapons and equipments. Just buff all guns and equipments. if you continiue this nerfs bulls*ht, you will play with yourself finals only, ppl left that why nerfs. don't listen noobs anymore, they are not permanant players.

[rough herald]

APS: Proactivity and fck your projectile problem (Day 5 of asking)

Notes:
. to start off, i love the idea of the aps, the ability of being able to defend an area locking down a room is fun
. but its just unfair in some situation all because the "fck your projectile" part of APS.
for a weapon like the GL that shoot projectile you basically lose the fight automatically
. and for powershift its basically mandatory to win (that gamemode need a rework tbh)
. its also a one and done. meaning once you place it down it just stay there forever

Suggestion:
. (fck your projectile) either make it so it take damage with each projectile destroy. Or it can only destroy 5 projectile then broke
. (One and Done) make it lose hp overtime

side note: for the love of RN-Jesus just let me play with my fav gun cl-40 Without a aps fcking me over.
Like How are you suppose to kill someone WHO CAN"T TAKE DAMAGE??? its like playing riot shield without the shield
(embark pls fix )

@clear quest there's counter play dosse not mean its fair, say you're playing melee and theres a sniper acrose the map, yeah you can hide or even snek up on the sniper but is it fair? you can't even damage him form far away and so too GL40 vs APS

[celest tree]

add colored beams from heal beams depending on team color cus kool

[clear quest]

if you use nades or gls just outside of aps range, it will damage it over time.. @rough herald im not talking about a counterplay. I am talking about the gl and nade explosive radius is larger than the aps range. therefore if you shoot your gl next to the aps range it will take 1/4 of its health as well as damage the player unless something like a barrier or cashout is blocking Line of sight. I do believe aps is extremely strong and it should take damage if it is in that range but for now till they fix it

[uneven prism]

we need a new reload for lewis tooo

[hazy bobcat]

Could we get more eyes on this? I get that it could be frustrating to play against light players, as a light main myself, maximising my spec usage is vital as it should be with the other classes but this is especially true due to the health disparity between classes. With the new changes I'd like to explore the redefined identity of the light class.

Before I address cloak I want to talk about evasive dash, how viable is it? With the right positioning, dash can act as a reliable engaging and disengaging tool but once you stop playing against people with 2 fingers and no monitor you can get tracked easily. Will they miss a lot due to dash? Yes, but with the hp of light, getting hit means either death or a forced reset. Playing with dash correctly is difficult, it requires finger dexterity, reaction speed and game sense yet it does not feel rewarding as even when played well, the results feel average. Playing with a vanish bomb brings light to a lot of new angles but makes it even harder to both position where you get value from the vanish and still in position to use dash safely: it's viability will have to rely on what the Embark team mean when they say "we’re also investigating changes to the visibility of cloaked players...".

Now, why was cloak an issue? I can only assume it was how difficult it was to punish, catching an invis player was difficult to follow up due to their high ms and recastability. The change prevents players from "toggling it on and off too frequently". I think this issue was mainly relevant in mid ranged combat: If you look at a player called Piggy (I think he is an EU player) he plays with cloak to create re-peek angles that wouldn't originally playable without cloak. Is this overtuned? Yes, but the response was like when the Japanese hit pearl harbour. Getting fucking nuked seemed a bit much and the change was drastic and immediately effects ranked.

(more will be said in 30 mins when i can send again)

[dusky apex]

Add a setting that disablles joining currently ongoing matches please

[quick coyote]

THERE IS SOOOO MANY FUCKING CHEATERS omfg. Asia Ranked is fucked, there is a hard cheater right now still with a lewis gun mowing down everyone 28 and 3. Fuck this game wtf are you guys doing with your anti cheat

[delicate notch]

I agree with this, as I already stated in #light-lounge , while I do play on PC, I do main light but play both other classes as well. I do not think cloak needed a nerf, it was fine. I don’t use cloak a lot nowadays bc I switched to dash on sword but I still feel cloak was balanced enough. Stun gun however always felt awful to fight against, especially when using a melee weapon, you’re just dead. So, I’d rather have them just remove the stun gun and replace it with smth else.
Embark might have further plans to change cloak, perhaps to make it better in some other areas. If that’s the case, let’s be patient and let them cook I’d say.

[half iris]

Suggestion, re categorise your game. It’s not fps, it’s swords and shoulders. That’s not a shampoo.

[pliant lion]

I've got a couple of ideas to (in my opinion) improve some of the aspects of the game. For the record, I'm using most of these weapons/specializations as well because they're generally the most OP (and necessary in higher ranks).

Weapons/Specializations:

• For the Mesh shield, consider relaying a certain percentage of damage back to the player carrying the shield (for example 10-20%), so if the mesh shield takes 100 damage, the player health drops 10 to 20 HP. In this case make it that the damage the mesh shield absorbs can't actually kill the player and leaves them at a minimum of 5 hp or something. In this case the shield is more like an extension of the player's health and not a simple "emergency panic button". The amount of times I've shot 3 bullets at a heavy only for them to instantly press Q is absurdly annoying.
• Consider decreasing either the damage or the fire rate of the FCAR. Right now there's not a single weapon that's a match for the FCAR if you're going head-to-head.
• Make a healing beam not stackable on a single player or limit the healing rate to something similar to the healing rate of a single beam.
• Consider making the APS turret take a little bit of damage for every projectile it blocks so it can't be used indefinitely (for example behind a heavy barricade).
• Make the goo gun have a cooldown in some way, either after one magazine or something like that. I'm tired of being locked in place for a minute straight by a heavy shooting the goo gun from a roof, while I can't do anything. Even shooting back at someone while you're being goo'd is impossible.

Maps/Events:

• Spawns seem broken (at least in ranked) lately. Before we would sometimes spawn near an objective but now we only spawn on the other side of the map (usually 200+ meters away).
• Give suspended structures on Monaco some embedded Jump pads so you can always get to the platform in some way. Especially in the park area you can't always make the platform with your own jump pad.

[bitter aspen]

theres a difference between annoying and being over powered, the sniper in this case is extremely easy to use and to say its hard is undermining the problem of what the gun entails as it is easy to exploit, what you see is snipers not working as a team but solo playing not playing in or around the objective , what i would like to see happen to the sniper is be reworked into a projectile weapon with a 4 shot magazine and a lengthy reload that can one shot a med or 2 shot a heavy if the person is accurate , simply saying that the quick scoping is needed for the gun to function is like a band aid to broken glass, pushing the objective as a sniper close enough for a heavy to smash you is a a projection of bad game sense not to mention you have your use of high movement sounds to me you are hard stuck silver player, if you are playing light you are supposed to be the glass cannon and a flanker, you are not supposed to be playing the objective head on but rotating around it, staying out of sight and making sure that the objective isnt stolen where as the heavy is the opposite, the reason why you see medium and heavy meta isnt because of the balance but rather the strat that goes with it, too many light players demanding change when the med class is supposed to be the best all around class

[violet elbow]

actually just played a full match on EU without a cheater, idk if its just due to small sample size but if the cheater issue is much less present now then thats genuinely huge for the game.
as much as people like to mald and shit on the balance in here, seeing a studio try everything they can to make their community happy is genuinely amazing and not industry standard at all, Embark as a studio is still doing a great job with this game even if I do disagree with a lot of their balancing changes

[solemn light]

and this is why I thank God that you arent a dev; peace

[glad nacelle]

New equipment idea - Shock Trap!

Part 1.

A trap, that can be placed on any surface. Will be activated within a certain radius and shock the enemy with electricity.

Now comes the most interesting part: activating the trap deals minimal damage (let’s say 50) but the charge remains on the opponent for a while (let’s say 5 seconds). If an enemy teammate comes close enough to charged teammate they will now both be hit (let’s say each person will take 40 damage now). The chain persists untill enemies spread out or after some time, dealing damage every few seconds. More people involved in the chain - less damage is taken by each person. Chain can be broken by Glitch Grenade.

I still don’t know, if the radius needs to be the same as healing beam to make healing difficult or impossible (this requires testing).

The tool serves to force enemies to separate from each other. Can be equipped by Light class to make them more team oriented.

Trap has a lot of potential, can be used to block entrances or a Cashout. What do you think guys?

[rough herald]

Stat track: (if you're not giving me replay system soon then at least give me detail stat tracking)

Requests: all this for all individual weapon and classes

. Heal per 10min
. Damage per 10min
. Damage mitigated per 10min (damage block like shield)
. Kill per 10min
. Injured per 10min (do damage to an enemy that would get them to half~)
. Average kills per life
. Average life time (lmao)
. Average death per match
. Weapon accuracy in percentage
. Weapon accuracy for ads in percentage
. Average damage mitigated per match
. Average damage per match
. Average heal per match
. Average rez per match

(its not hard to put this in, i know because i have touch game dev before. although its a lil tedious, sorry to who going to code this)

[dull hemlock]

Other people at similar ranks are getting matches. This is on top of them already matching various leagues with other leagues.

We literally have never gotten a match for over two weeks and hours of queues. At that point I do not care how it matches us.

[pseudo breach]

Game crashes every 2nd to 3rd match... No error code, just some crash handler pop up

[gusty thorn]

"Dev Note: We’re aware of player frustrations around being stunned by the Stun Gun and are planning some changes to get it to a better place"

Guys, are you seriously guided by someone whine on Reddit instead of making a better product. So you want to satisfy some part of community without even consider if this will make game better? Your Light class was the least popular in ranked from the release and instead of making some rework you just totally destroyed one possibility to make him useful for the team?

You know, heavy with 350hp and thousands of shields HP has a crazy nuke to wipe a whole team. You waited with this nerf for months. And now you nerf the least usable and weakest class because someone can not use headphones, mines or grenade launcher? You could make invis more visible our more loud so even dumb players can see it nearby but you just destroyed a whole ability to force players rat and camp! How this will benefit anyone? Light can use 6 seconds of invis or just trigger invis once more for the same cost, what a bullshit!

Please make invis more visible and loud but rollback invis trigger cost from 33% to 20%. This will solve the issue with dumb players who can not see invis but will still leave the place for invis to be usable

[unreal fossil]

I really do not understand or agree with people wanting the APS turret to be nerfed in any way, shape or form.

It's fragile, immobile, has a narrow AOE and only one can be used at a time by each Medium player. It's the only hard counter to explosive projectiles, especially M/H grenade launchers.

The Finals is a rather fast paced FPS, where all teams are constantly on the move. Even when defending, you can rarely stay still, which means you can also rarely sit in the APS circle.

One of my team mates uses APS in his main build; he deploys it in two scenarios: 1) when defending, obviously, or 2) on the offensive, if we're stuck in a longer, mid/long range firefight. In any case, if you're picking APS, you're using up a gadget slot for a fragile situational negating tool, instead of grenades, which can be useful in a wider variety of situations.

An APS nerf would just promote brainless bunny-hopping GL40 spam gameplay, which honestly requires close to zero skill. If you're playing GL40 and your mates can't help quickly dispose of an APS, that's on your team. You should not blame the gadget for doing exactly what it's meant to do in its limited AOE, or the opposing team for outsmarting you with the right counterplay.

@gusty thorn Dishonest argument. Most Lights (over)use cloak w/ stun gun just to stack up easy kills, regardless of the objectives. Therefore not really helping the team. Way to get something nerfed.

[odd flax]

extreme anti cheat please!

[light river]

Can we get PC CHEATERS out of console lobbies please 🙏

[crimson pier]

What would you suggest to counter this with a full team on the platform?

[strong vessel]

a couple of heavies with charge and slam + flamethrower

[radiant imp]

Add the ability to buy individual items from store packs (by @shy token and @radiant imp)

What we propose is that the option to buy individual items is made available to not only increase sales of cosmetics but also satisfaction with customisation within and with the game itself.

You could still make it viable by using a method of (i.e pack multibucks cost ÷ items in bundle = individual price) this would allow a lot of people to pick and choose what they want to customise their character with, in a game with as much customsation as this already has, it just makes sense.

It would also give you a metric on what items are most popular and which aren't and invest more time and energy into making similar items perhaps to maximise capital.```

[thorn mural]

These hackers are seriously ruining the game, why the hell am I getting the same hacker two days in a row. Wth does the block function even do?

[glacial storm]

quit messing with the ks-23 accuracy. it did not need an accuracy buff. it needs to deal more damage. even if it means reducing rate of fire, the ks-23 will permenantly be a useless gimmick gun unless its damage gets increased to at least 110. it could also have used a range buff or a reload speed buff. but it recieved an accuracy buff? its already very accurate as long as you're not in the air. its range and damage already got nerfed super hard. help the gun where it needs help. you buffed it today in an area where the gun does not struggle. pointless change. buff its range and damage already.

[olive plover]

When you force ppl to play a class they dont like cause you nerf the rest to the ground is what make you lose player base, now we will see x3 medium or x2 medium heavy cause thats the only viable stylw to grind and it is not fun at all! Forcing me play something i dont like just to rank up it is like do a job i hate cause it is the meta

[pseudo breach]

Blocks voice communication in game. I know, dumb as fuck

[formal light]

Lights should be removed and replaced with a different, but still unique, build archetype.

The vast majority of combat with lights is either melt or be melted. There's rarely any unique and balanced gameplay around them, they either die quickly or kill you instantly. They are an extremely problematic class both from a gameplay and balance perspective, and will never be implemented in a way that satisfies the playerbase, always being either too strong or too weak.

Let's look at this issue first from the eyes of new players (which we kind of need if we're going to keep the game in any way popular). If I might be so bold, the light class may be the main reason new players quit the game. New players are typically worse at the game, and being killed instantly half the time by a light with an smg and struggling to counter it isn't the most enjoyable experience. Many of them might think that light is OP (which isn't true) and probably quit the game due to how frustrating they are. Mediums and heavies provide mostly balanced combat for both new and experienced players, lights don't.

Now let's look at this in the perspective of more dedicated and skilled players. Lights are less frustrating but also don't contribute anything to the game; their mandatory hit and run playstyle strongly discourages objective and team play, and means that lights fit poorly into the way the game functions; while they would work well in a competitive team deathmatch mode, they don't work well in the main modes of the finals which is why they've historically been underused in ranked (competitive) modes. Buffing them is not the solution, since like I explained earlier their concept and implementation prohibits them from providing balanced combat and gameplay.

In conclusion, lights are either severely demoralising and frustrating (particularly for new players trying the game out) or completely forgettable, rarely contributing something good and balanced to The Finals.

[bold mango]

Heavy shield nerf went too far, could either be reverted or at least somewhat buffed again. Flamethrower could probably be reworked entirely as it's consistently under or over performing

[gusty thorn]

Calling a nerf based on others' complaints an 'unfair argument' while asking in the same damn post to not nerf APS because of other people complains "I really do not understand or agree with people wanting the APS turret to be nerfed in any way, shape or form".
Typical brainless silver medium hypocrite 🤣

[merry creek]

PC player by any chance?

[violet elbow]

yes, pc player in diamond/plat elo, which usually meant 1-2 cheaters PER TOURNAMENT before this latest patch, again, still unsure how much has changed but first impression is much better

[grand vault]

you got lucky bud even before the latest patch i had a few games like that

[loud crest]

I know this is a given and its been said to death already but:
The APS-turret is really annoying for anyone actively using grenades or any projectile for that matter. It essentially denies any use the grenade launchers have and cancels most gadgets with next to no cost.
I've heard people say that there should be a startup time like with the normal turret, a limit to the projectiles deflected or a "cool off - period" after a certain number of deflected projectiles.
My idea is to make it so the projectiles activate when they are shot down but in a much lesser version. This would create some interesting chemisty with different projectiles and make it so the APS cant just be abused as a ball of denying 50% of attacks.

• explosions like grenades, grenade launchers and rpg would still explode with a little dmg. Because of this they would still pose a bit of a threat and could slowly take down the turret themselves.
• Gas grenades would create a smaller cloud of gas with less duration.
• pyro grenades could explode in a single burst of flame setting the turret and enemies in close proximity ablaze for a few ticks of dmg.
• sonar grenades could send out a single ping of sonar.
• etc.
  I would really like to see smth done about APS since, as it currently stands, its just a hard counter to a lot of things.

[rough herald]

APS: Proactivity and fck your projectile problem (still Day 4 but for fs its so annoying)

Notes:
. to start off, i love the idea of the aps, the ability of being able to defend an area locking down a room is fun
. but its just unfair in some situation all because the "fck your projectile" part of APS.
for a weapon like the GL that shoot projectile you basically lose the fight automatically
. and for powershift its basically mandatory to win (that gamemode need a rework tbh)
. its also a one and done. meaning once you place it down it just stay there forever

Suggestion:
. (fck your projectile) either make it so it take damage with each projectile destroy. Or it can only destroy 5 projectile then broke
. (One and Done) make it lose hp overtime

side note: for the love of RN-Jesus just let me play with my fav gun cl-40 Without a aps fcking me over.
Like How are you suppose to kill someone WHO CAN"T TAKE DAMAGE??? its like playing riot shield without the shield
(embark pls fix )

[kind light]

Increased the activation cost from 14.2% to 33%. 
Dev Note: This does not change the maximum sustain time, but makes it drain faster when toggling it on and off TOO FREQUENTLY```

TOO FREQUENTLY! While you can actually turn it on again **ONLY ONCE** during one full charge ![LUL](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/403570914425438209.webp?size=128 "LUL") 
I hope that you guys actually did some math there to understand that you can use 12 seconds of invis or 6 seconds of invis with one toggle on and off. Lets force Light to be even more afk because they restore their charge and do nothing for their team!👊😎

[signal mica]

....do... do you think that when your invis is charging you have to stand perfectly still... and do nothing?

[somber nymph]

just give mids thermal that will prob solve a lot of people complaints about cloaking

[honest sedge]

give the glitch grenade to us mediums

[terse lark]

please revert the cloak nerf and give mediums access to sonar grenade again

[tired sand]

Is it worth playing this seriously? Since all the feedback I read talks about cheaters and how the game is dying....

[nocturne flare]

That would literally make the light class completely obsolete 💀

[opal swallow]

I don't think so. I'm waiting as well since the last time I uninstalled. But it seems like the are still aimbot cheaters lol

[late finch]

FIX THE FUCKING ANTICHEAT THE GAME IS 75% OF THE TIME UNPLAYABLE!

[olive plover]

Put anticheat like valorant, ban hardware and it is gg

[reef jasper]

Game desperately needs more players on it

[pseudo breach]

Day 23 of asking to put map rotation on a timer for casual. Really sick of getting Horizon and or Vegas 90% of the time.

Also, can we please get South African servers?

[unreal fossil]

Complaints about APS rise from its use in Powershift. And I can understand these complaints. But wanting that gadget to be nerfed in general, and not specifically in PS, makes little sense. It's very far from being unbalanced/overpowered in Cashout.

I'm neither a Medium main, nor a Silver player, nor a hypocrite. Light players whining about the CD/stun gun nerf using all the wrong arguments are the hypocrites here.

This cheesy gimmick was mostly made unpopular by being used and abused not to help the team win, but to solo chase enemies and stack up pointless kills. It would have never been the target of that much complaining otherwise. I always thought that brainless Lights would get these two nerfed heavily some day, and here we are.

In all my QC games yesterday, there was always one or several braindead Light players roaming on their own, constantly using CD/stun gun for no good reasons. They rarely every made any difference against our stacked team with coms... But that's not because Lights suck. That's because THEY suck. They would have lost every fight just as fast, had they used any other class. Hell, sometimes, they could have won the fight easily, had they not relied on that gimmick. And CD/stun gun or any other gadget isn't supposed to make up for lack of skills.

[wicked dragon]

exactly! I don't think they even tried to use a calculator, just went all out on the nerf bc a bunch of idiots said invis is broken. This nerf completely damages it's ability to be a specialization and makes it unusable for the most skilled players. With only two uses at best it isn't even good enough to be used defensively, people say it can be used for retreating but they don't understand cloak is still quite visible and the frequent use is what helps to actually fool the opponent into going different directions while we retreat. What a crazy ass nerf.

the guy who asked while invis is charging you have to stay still: yes, we have to stay still nowadays bc with our shoe-string health we can't as actively be present in a fight to help the team, if we want to save our asses we must keep cover while our teammates get choked and wait until cloak charges or we dead without it anyway, anyone who says it helps to keep lights play from cover: most our guns are made for close range fights, staying in cover and dealing puny little damages won't help the team nor ourselves in any frickin way. Any invis light main is just fucked to oblivion now, rn it's either change your special or choose another class ffs

[lavish shard]

Add option for crossplay ps5/xbox i dont want play vs cheater pc

[bold mango]

Aps isn't healthy for powershift and a single gadget shouldn't literally invalidate 3 weapons, this isn't new critique, make some changes already.

PC should have a separate toggle in cross-platform if the cheating can't be reigned in, this is absurd.

Light needs some reworking as they're mostly reliant on enemy incompetence, surprise, and/or their most powerful tools to get any impact. I'd probably make grapple a gadget or buff it to grab items or something, and they could probably do with a minor health buff, no more than 25 but a little something potentially, although I'm not certain what they would need entirely

[signal mica]

With your low health you have to constantly play for cover and repositioning both. I know you might struggle with this because invis made you stop thinking about it but now you specifically have to have a semblance of situational awareness and acumen; play behind cover and pressure alongside your team or at a safe angle. Light has 3 whole weapons (arguably 4) that are effective at close-long range but most are close-medium which is more than enough to get the job done. This change forces invis players to just play with more sense. That's it. That is all. If you cannot handle this, you are not the highest common denominator you label "skilled players" and ought to switch off.

[hazy bobcat]

part 2 of my invis opinion: Now if we get caught out ONCE by anything (gas, fire, guardian turret, a bullet from medium/heavy's vast array of long range weapons, etc.) 66% of our cloak is cut including the original cast. This is not a nerf of this admittedly effective hit and run tactic but a complete deletion making it entirely unviable.

Extremely effective usage of this spec would look like - cloak, stun, kill, cloak. This means it would take your entire cloak (if not almost all) in order to generate one kill angle. assuming your opponent has their monitor on and their mouse plugged in you may lose the fight considering the damage output of some ARs and shotguns (I'm looking mainly at the model 1887 and the ks-23). You effectively need to set every spec and gadget on cooldown just to initiate a coinflip. This change feels effective in mid-high elo 3-stacks but fucks over the average player. For the love of god please set up some kind of PBE testing server or make a more reasonable adjustment like 25% or even just a cooldown in between invis (if you get shot out of invis u would have to wait 2 secs to recast). The intention for this nerf is not clear and this just feels lazy and negligent. Light has reduced to a class with high risk and low reward.

Note: I've seen some opinions on this nerf and tbh a lot of them are a bit exaggerated but you cant deny it's effect on the majority of players in the more casual scene. It leaves lower elo players lost as to what their win condition is since the original leverage of being able to safely reengage is almost impossible now.

@pale quest that method of killing is the only way a light can execute from 100 to 0 consistently and it only works on isolated opponents. Imagine he does that to you while ur homie is next to u, he just blows up lol. Also this nerf doesn't prevent that from happening it stops smth like invis, stun, 3x (shoot + invis), kill, invis. which is valid asf

[pale quest]

Why cashout round time got reduced by so much?? Pls revert even before we kinda wanted longer games but now it sucks there is no time to even start 22k vaults and do big comebacks and overall 9min is way too short for a match

@hazy bobcat switch to dash the invis > stun > kill > invis is just too annoying for non lights when half of lobby has exact this loadout it just becomes deathmatch of invis rats

[snow panther]

Wondering how much of the player base they lost now? This cloaking device nerf is awful literally un usable… If you guys keep catering to heavy and medium why even have light in the game at all? That 20k concurrent players gonna go to 15k here soon.

[fast ferry]

I would like to equip multiple reload animations for a single weapon, allowing for a rotational display or random selection of various reload animations. Especially because I am an undecisive F and want to see those animations LOL

[solid narwhal]

Just dont use it

[quick coyote]

I'm fucking sick of this shit, cheaters in Asia, fix your anti cheat and region lock china ffs

[wicked dragon]

people out here teaching lights how to play the game lol. I know how to play the damn game better than you. if I have to completely switch my playstyle and get used to something entirely different now, why would I even play light? I put my time into mastering light for such a long time and all that hard work feels worth nothing because of this invis nerf now. Welp, if I have to get used to a different playstyle I rather master medium, mediums are immune from any nerf or criticism after all.

[quick coyote]

THIS AND A MAP IN ROME, PERHAPS A ROMAN BATTLEPASS.

[misty ingot]

I wish all the guns in this game did more body and headshot damage everyone feels like bullet sponge in this game espically heavy’s which makes no sense since in real life people tend to take the same amount of damage

[merry creek]

DEVS YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE CROSSPLAY BACK OR YOU WILL LOSE WHAT FEW REMANING CONSOLE PLAYERS YOU HAVE...... THE STEAM PLAYER COUNT IS AT ITS LOWEST AND THATS MEANT TO BE THE BIGGEST POOL OF PLAYERS?!

[green wharf]

So true, I can’t decide between the ak tac reload ones

[signal mica]

"Rather than adapting to something in a reasonable way, I quit!" Brother, I've got nothing more to say.

[noble solar]

PLEASE FIX THE WHEEL ON PC
When you equip the wheel on PC and try to switch between weapons it doesn't work. Pls fix asap

[unkempt bane]

Bro game already half dead.
Feedback is meaningless lmao.

[austere stag]

day 72 of asking to make ladders interactable instead of autoclimb

[formal light]

I think the "fck your projectile" idea is good, but maybe change to 7 or 8; 5 seems weak. I also think the following changes should be made:

1. 1 aps turret allowed per team (maybe 2 in modes that aren't power shift since it's mostly an issue there)
2. Has no effect on grenade launchers, but also takes reduced damage from them if not a direct hit
   I think these would help make the aps turret more balanced, since its main issues imo are grenade launchers and spam on power shift

[halcyon perch]

I'd have to dissagree. I main light and I'm diamond in ranked with a 3.2 KD. Everyone Needs to play cover regardless. Cover and repositioning was and always will be very important and this was the case even before the invis nerf with light. If you're caught shooting in the open as a light you're dead (at least in high ranked play). There are a lot of situations where cover just isn't available or not an option (on certain cashouts for example). Right now if anything takes you out of cloak including if it's by your own free will you don't have enough to cloak again for an amount of time that's actually viable. Although I do agree that being able to cloak mid combat (cloak spam) and get away with it makes for an ability that is very frustrating and very hard to deal with in casual play and to a lesser extent in competitive play. Very often now I'm just waiting behind cover now for my cloak to recharge before I can do any action at all or any reposition. Cloak it's strength is that you can reposition to another spot without being seen. You can bridge an open area with less risk involved and light needs that cause you only have 150 hp. If anyone ever sees you before you see them, you lose that fight as a light. I think the extra cloak activation should have been accompanied to a slight boost to its recharge time also. Like this you will have cloak available when you need it but are still punished for getting caught out in the open.

[hazy bobcat]

Agreed I think we can work with the 33% cast cost but having to reset every time i use my spec just nukes my tempo.

also even though im on pc i can only imagine what console players r thinking rn

[eternal forge]

The current Materialiser needs to be reworked or buffed due to the way the gameworld collapses. Often you go to open up a wall and theres an entire wall made up of tiny pieces you cant climb through, so you have to either run around looking for a good entry point, or use up 2 charges to open up a piece of wall big enough to get through.
Or for example if you're above the Server type room and want to drop down into it, you open up the floor only to find pipes and railings attached to the piece of ceiling you just dematerialised, meaning you've wasted a charge because you can't drop down, or you open up a piece of wall and there is an object directly behind it that you can't move.

It ruins so many clutch situations where you can pull off an unexpected play.

[bright musk]

I would love to see unranked tournament back!

[light river]

Get PC CHEATERS out of console lobbies!

[merry creek]

The silence is deafening ... its like they know something we don't and can't say without it all falling apart

[glad nacelle]

New equipment idea - Bear Trap!

Part 2.

It basically works like a mine. Stepping on it will immobilize you for a long time (5-6 seconds) but a trapped player or a teammate can destroy it. Trapped player will still be able to shoot, use gadgets and specialization.

Trap after activation has same health as APS, bigger hitbox than a mine, as well as activation radius.

Imagine trapped heavy with equipped mesh shield. If he is alone he will find himself in a situation where he will have to decide whether to activate shield and wait for help, or shoot the trap down, take damage and run away, or shoot back while standing still.

I was thinking about how to make this gadget useful in ranked. I came up with idea of giving 2 traps and making it not so obvious to it on the ground. I am not sure though , who should carry this gadget: heavy or light class, but definitely not mediums.

[quick coyote]

Make the KS-23 reload better.

Currently, when the KS-23 has no ammo left, it reloads two shells at once, and if it doesn't it's just one shell.

Make it so if it's missing more than 2+ shells it has that same 2 shell reload, similar to the Model 1887.

[signal mica]

One thing I supremely hated when it came to invis was just mindless traversal of fights with next to no critical thinking or awareness when placed next to it's other gadgets making it consistently top 1 no matter what. I've always wanted it to be in line but I can understand that this inadvertently shuts an invis light out of a lot of situations if shit goes south. While I strongly believe that the increase in cloak loss is a step in the right direction, I also think that a compensation buff where the time it takes to charge back up is decreased may also be a step in the right direction.

[wicked dragon]

people who are trying to give advice on how to play after invis nerf are people who hate lights bc they can't counter them or they never used invis in the first place. the more you use this thing the more you realize how invis has become a viable broken unusable tool, this nerf is horrendous.

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here's some suggestions, I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:

• While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
• Increase swing speed (Honestly a lot issues would be solve with this, the weapon lacks a good ttk)
• Lunge distance (90% of the fight become a chase you can't win, the other classes have ways to block enemies, slow them down or catch up to them, even heavies have RPG to finish people off if they use sledge)
• Increase damage from 84 to 90
• Electrify the baton and give it a glitch effect, when you hit somebody they're glitched for 2,5 sec (This would give the shield so much utility and would help the team greatly, making it a viable options)
• Remove the fov zoom when you hold your shield up (it's very annoying that when you block the screen zooms in, either remove it or add the option to choose between affected or indipendent fov while aiming)

ALLOW MELEE WEAPONS TO KEEP SPRITING WHEN ATTACKING:

• This would help them to compete

IMPROVE MELEE TRACKING:

• Some weapons like the Dagger have an insane lock that is not needed, on the other hand the Riot Shield has a very weak lock, you can't even hit people in your face sometimes. Consider increasing the angle at which the lock works and reduce the lock strenght on the Dagger

FIX THE DAGGER BACKSTAB:

• Backstabs with the Dagger are the most incosistent thing I've ever seen, a lot times either nothing happens or it's not backstab even though you're right behind them and other times it is when you're literally in front of them
• Increase the backstab hitboxes because the latency of the servers causes this problems
• Make it so you can hold the backstab and it's not a forced animation, revert it like it was in the Open Beta

[native berry]

be a bit more transparent with us about the anticheats and how you ban suspected cheaters. Idk if i missed something, but i dont think you've released a player ban and policy violator report forum or something to your player base, like this one https://forums.kartrider.nexon.net/discussion/1063/

[timid kiln]

feel like the game has gotten out of control of the devs id be happy to be proven wrong but it dont seem like they know what theyre doin

[craggy jackal]

in the beta the game was very fast like quake. over time everything got nerfed to shit. time to kill got up like in cod where u need like 2 whole mags for an enemy. every patch includes nerves instead of buffing the worst weapons like trowing knifes. nobody asked for a cloak nerv. they asked for a stun gun nerv. im fine with this the. range of the stun gun is insane. balancing was ok before the last patch. now the game is fkn trash for light players. everything was ok

[sudden geyser]

TTK is just fine based on my games. The game is made for mid and close range play and a sniper is included for those that know how to position and use it. Also Agreed the issue was the stun gun and not cloak

[willow kindle]

yes

[abstract wolf]

whats the different between the final and rogue company? they both dead games, rc is more dead then the finals but eventually this game will come to an end as well, all of if because devs cant taking more seriously the feedback from the community

[upper citrus]

This game is meant to have longer TTK. It is a TEAM based shooter. You should not be able to 1v3 or even 1v2 in 1 mag

[modern wedge]

cloak gradually becomes more invisible instead of immediately? like theyre “invisible” but still give off the particle effect until one or two seconds after

[unreal fossil]

@wicked dragon You and others make it seem like the class was only playable with that spec. 🤔 I personally always liked evasive dash better, even prior to the nerf. But I'm not playing Light as often as the other two.

The real problem is that the class as a whole feels unfit for ranked gameplay. And shouldn't rely on one spec and one gadget (stun gun) to do so, like many have said before.

[strong escarp]

The cloak nerf was necessary for Embark to benchmark Light's performance when he can no longer rely on the only thing that made him work.

[warped torrent]

Thank you Embark team for all your hard work!!!!! I really enjoy The Finals.

[quick dew]

We need more lootboxes and gambling. BIG WINS 🤑 🤑💸💸💰💳💳💷💷🎲🎲

[real moon]

**when are we getting level 7 skin for throwing knives **

[wicked dragon]

not only playable with invis, but I'm used to using this thing in a certain way. It's not the first time that one of my favorite gadget or ability got nerfed in a shooter game, the fact is I've never seen such a drastic change that completely destroys all I've trained so long for. I didn't say don't nerf stun, stun is overpowered so alright, balance it, but here they completely destroyed everything good about invis. Now I've to mend my ways and try to adapt to a completely new style which is annoying and throws me from enjoying the game. If I have to learn a new style anyway I rather would play medium/heavy now or not play the game at all than try to adapt to this shit.

[sharp jasper]

Personally, i would like to not spawn 500m away from cash out after a team wipe, gimme a chance to get that bread

[regal ferry]

heavy needs a buff in general
light not suitable for ranked
game not as fun anymore if everything is nerfed

[sudden tangle]

What is there to benchmark. The least successful class having its most used specialization nerfed is gonna result in what benchmark that we can't predict? L will be even less successful?

:surprisedpikachu:

[drifting gorge]

Focus on stuff like this instead of nerfing light plz

[slender walrus]

What is up with these circuit challenge rewards? Just reskins of season 1 stuff. You guys are big on that huh? Pro week 1, reskin of the first lower back pouch given out. Pro week 2, reskin of worst accessory there is, phone case… so if I don’t buy the battle pass eventually I get a reskin of all that stuff for free? Why put in The time to grind these challenges for such crap rewards?

[somber lynx]

I really don't understand why you get a penalty if you leave when your team has a line down.

[lusty grotto]

the finals is dying they nerf the classes that do not need nerfs and they do not nerf the middle god and we have been like this since season 1 and on top of that the game is full of hacks because in short there are 15,000 players playing and the number will go down and I am one of those who are going to leave the game, seriously embark, fire your balance team

[lament flicker]

i keep doing the circuit challanges and it doesnt do them?????
also why tf does light get nerfed all the time while you need 0 skill with heavy to destroy any light or medium

[knotty shuttle]

Player since public launch, really wish there was a way to practice while waiting for a match. Especially now that ranked matchmaking is taking a while

[faint dust]

this would be a welcomed feature

[unreal fossil]

@wicked dragon you're essentially disappointed because the play style you liked and learned to play with got weakened. As I'm not stuck to one of the classes in particular, it feels pretty natural to switch from one play style to another. And it's honestly something I like about this game. So buffs/nerfs don't hit nearly as hard for me, I guess.

@jaywockin.#0000 oh come on. You're not paying for the game or any of these unlocks. Were you expecting Embark to giveaway the nicest original skins ? You know they have to make money off of this game, right ?

@knotty shuttle agreed 👍🏻 And maybe a better training ground as well.

[glad nacelle]

Game simplification.

Part 3.

Hey guys. I had a game once where I was defending a cashout in seoul in hospital. It was a final round. Next cashout we were defending on the moving platforms. So the enemy team had no any chance even to come close enough because we couuld easily shoot them from far away with AK an FCAR. I can on only imagine the frustration of the enemies ESPECIALLY if it would be a team of new players. So to make the game more inviting to new players I want to share with you my ideas. Import to know. Those changes must be applied only to casual game modes, not ranked. The main point is in fact, to simplify the game, to give newcomers slight advantage, to make their experience less horrible. Not all of the suggestions must implemented exactly like that and not all of them, these are just some of possible changes.

1/5. What do you think about adding slight bloom to all the weapons (starting from 150-200 meters for example) to make it harder for experienced players to kill opponents across the entire map?

2/5. What do you think about making enemy hitboxes slightly bigger for players with low K/D ratio (below 0.4) (or any other indicator such as time played, wins and loses, accuracy percentage)? The change should be made in that way to make it impossible to farm it in order to get undeserved advantage.

3/5. What do you think about giving aim assist to players with low K/D ratio (below 0.4) (or any other indicator such as time played, wins and loses, accuracy percentage)? The change should be made in that way to make it impossible to farm it in order to get undeserved advantage.

4/5. What to you think about making sniper’s bullet speed significantly lower so that it force snipers to come a bit closer to the fight?

5/5. What do you think about deceasing start and end damage fall-off range for all weapons to make it harder for experienced players to kill opponents across all the map?

[robust patio]

hey. so is something like crosshair X banable or not? and is crosshair X itself banable? i watched a lot of videos but still don’t understand if it is or not

[clever jasper]

that would be awesome

[grizzled hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/yap-expansion-gojo-domain-expansion-ryoiki-tenkai-gif-8954021360802172436

[drifting gorge]

Stop the yap

(Never cook again this shit is horrible)

[regal ferry]

buff the fking heavies and stop nerfing everything

[shy token]

Add the ability to buy individual items from store packs (by @shy token and @radiant imp)

What we propose is that the option to buy individual items is made available to not only increase sales of cosmetics but also satisfaction with customisation within and with the game itself.

You could still make it viable by using a method of (i.e pack multibucks cost ÷ items in bundle = individual price) this would allow a lot of people to pick and choose what they want to customise their character with, in a game with as much customsation as this already has, it just makes sense.

It would also give you a metric on what items are most popular and which aren't and invest more time and energy into making similar items perhaps to maximise capital.```

[quick dew]

Add in the ability to buy new contracts for 3000 VRs. Like a whole new list after completing your current one

[stark turtle]

For this we have SBMM (do not be confused with EOMM that ruins COD)

[urban mango]

add the option to remove antialiasing, the game is a blurry mess on lower resolutions

[sudden geyser]

Id hold on the buffs. Every team in plat and diamond has 1 (sometimes 2 heavies) Those barriers are being put to good use by serious teams

[queen cloud]

it's blurry on 1440p already 😄

[dreamy mirage]

Anticheat patch lasted one day, cheating count its 7.. Guess I'll skip playing Asia again, back to 300 ping on NA

[fervent vortex]

Heavy and light are the 2 best builds what u on??????

[quick coyote]

Give M60 a sight 🙏

[oak gate]

The inlcusion of a sniper in this game when every other weapon's had its long range capabilities gutted really makes me question the devs approach to game design. I genuinely wonder if Embark added a sniper because they thought it would be a fun addition to the game, or if they just copied every other FPS, saw all the other games have one so we just HAVE to have a sniper in this game where it clearly does not fit whatsoever. I honestly believe they just added a sniper to the game because others had it, and didn't consider how it interacts with enemy loadouts. I love this game but I really doubt its going to live for much longer, player base is just dying more and more each week

[upbeat ore]

Crashes and infinite loading screens resulting in a disconnect shouldn't cause you to lose rank 😦

[teal minnow]

I'm making a big note of everything that should be buffed or nerfed in THE FINALS , share your ideas of new specs ,weapons, gadgets and what things would you buff or nerf. Send your ideas to my dm or here just ping me so I can see it

[meager sun]

When i'm talking in discord and then i switch to in game vc to talk with our teammates and then when i start talking on discord again my voice is either super low or i can't be heard at all. Does anyone know the problem?

[pearl urchin]

throwing knives buff, please. There’s no argument here, no one thinks that they’re overpowered or anything. they’re extremely bad. it should be easy to buff them, right?

[runic sun]

Legend

[scenic matrix]

Does anyone know if it has ever been considered to force a comp setup for ranked tournament like 1l 1m 1h instead of seeing this heavy and medium meta since launch

[winged belfry]

the casual is also full of cheaters. This game is going straight to the mud

[vale acorn]

I like this, I rerolled three things yesterday but would like to see an option to use all the points for more contracts

[vapid crystal]

I also love this idea, but make it abouts 1500

[unreal fossil]

I would love to see this experimented. I think it would be interesting and would also solve the "Lights are not viable in ranked" complaint, since all teams would have to have one.

I understand that Embark wanted to offer more gameplay diversity by letting players pick their team comp freely, but if there are three classes in this game, then all three should be there in a competitive/tournament mode.

Edit: and team comps mostly revolve around M/H anyway, so freedom of team comp --> meta builds/team comp --> actually less diversity.

Why not have a fixed class game mode, i.e. you get to pick L/M/H, and will only fight with and against said class, while remaining free to choose your loadouts (unlike the previous events).

[wintry pecan]

I would love it if you gave weapons custom kill sounds

[grave steeple]

nah nah im dead serious

[quick coyote]

i mostly play light with cloak, yesterday i tried the changes and yes the impact was noticeable but didn't really affected my playstyle at all. no idea what you used to do, but adapt and get over it
embark might listen to you in the future or revert the changes partially once they crack cloak visibility next week

[halcyon perch]

I think experienced players should be allowed to express their skill (yes even across the map). People who are bad at shooters shouldn't be given special treatment. You should try to improve or play pve games instead. Sometimes a bad gaming experience is because you're bad at the game. If game devs tried to accommodate for that I think the game would become very stale and boring. It's a competitive game because the objective in the end is to win. Removing the need to improve at the game by making changes geared towards bad players just removes a reason to play the game for a longer amount of time. Also there are a lot of abilities that are great at closing the gap so getting beemed at long range shouldn't be an issue for those who actually understand the game. SBMM is already trying to accommodate for bad players but there's a cap to how bad you can be for sbmm to make your experience any better.

[shy quest]

Invis is so bad rn it’s sad I’m using grapple know cause of it

[severe wave]

revert the mesh shield nerf. Stop nerfing heavy to the ground. Im a medium main and hated heavy with my guts in saison 1. But in saison 2 heavy is actually mostly balanced. This mesh shield nerf was very stupid. Invis nerf was fine but give light faster health regeneration for that because u nerf the stun gun too. Invis and stun gun both take little skill but give them something back like faster health regen or a bit more hp light is already the weakest class my god embark i barely cant find any heavy teammates anymore everyone these days plays medium. I started playing heavy 2 weeks ago and cant really say that heavy is op anymore pls stop NERFING them into the ground... And buff every other damn gun. Every gun besides sa, lewis and fcar is absolute dog shit. @rapid stream Its boring but dude its really not op. You can easily shred it down if everyone from the team shoots at it. The problem is how fast you get it back. Make it that it reloads slower that would be a fine nerf but just taking 25% of its health is stupid. Actually think dude. Same with fcar nerfing recoil does nothing good people will learn the new recoil fast. But when your nerf the firerate a bit or the headshot multiplier then it actually gets nerfed... @somber axle Thats not what i meant but your a casual player i think so from your perspective yh light is meta. I played some powershift yesterday and everyone always plays light there xD I mean from a comp perspective light is way too weak but i understand why you think like that

[rapid stream]

Noooo stop nerfing op boring items mesh shield was free 1000 health at the push of a button what are you on about

[terse lark]

please revert cloak nerfs and instead make it burn exponentially faster the longer you keep cloak active to punish invis camping
keep adding utility to light that supports the team (ex. gateway)
light doesn't fit this game at all rn, it's a team game they should be able to help their team, bc rn they really can't do much for their team besides frag

[somber axle]

Agreed, light is literally the meta of the game rn because of the sword and the evasive dash combination, they're over buffing lights

[gloomy merlin]

game needs kernel level anti-cheat. Nothing else matters.

[wide void]

Just going to reiterate: invisibility should be reworked to be TRUE, COMPLETE invisibility, and then Cloak (the ability) and Vanish Bomb (the gadget) can be adjusted/nerfed accordingly.

[quaint forge]

Yesss can we buff mesh shield pls

[low valve]

Yeah agreed, mesh shield doesnt deserve a nerf, now it just melts way too fast, totally unenjoyable.

[unreal coral]

Guys, is it normal that i get an arrow down if i lose the 2nd game

[inland cove]

just had a round with a cheater called F4#2315 pls bann

[fervent vortex]

Heavy is still the strongest class in the game, light is still low key busted and fcar isn’t even the best medium weapon for death ball anymore

[glad nacelle]

It has nothing about restricting experienced players expressing their skill or making their experience worse, it’s about making experience of newcomers less horrible. New player with K/D 0.4 can’t suddenly become a pro with light aim assist. New players eventually will play better and make kills, at this moment they will not need these advantages anymore and they will be turned off for them. And opponents for experienced players will be slightly better because of that, but yeah instead of 20/0 kd they will have 14/2, but they will win anyway. And there is no place for those advantages in ranked of course, it’s for causal game modes, modes that casuals are playing. After a hitbox update in Overwatch 2 average online raised from 30k to more than 40k. It’s almost 60k now - 2 months after the update. Don’t you want this game to have bigger playerbase?@drifting gorge Some of those suggestions will not harm you in any way, why are you so offensive and rude?

[young minnow]

Maybe if you didn’t do very well on the first and second rounds

[solid star]

If I were to rate the game based on the first season, it would be 10/10. But this season, everything is bad:

1. The free Battle Pass gives absolutely nothing interesting (I bought it, but my girlfriend didn't. And you can see how this season's prizes have been greatly weakened). Last season was brighter.
2. Cheaters, cheaters, and more cheaters. They are now in every second matchmaking.
3. MAKE A NORMAL BALANCE IN THE RANKINGS. WHY DO I, BEING GOLD 2, GET 3 TEAMS OF 3 DIAMONDS AGAINST ME? IS THIS LEGAL AT ALL? HOW MANY UPDATES HAVE ALREADY BEEN RELEASED? THIS IS MAKING ME SO ANGRY THAT I WANT TO FIND THE DEVELOPERS AND TEACH THEM SIMPLE MATH.

[wicked dragon]

aight, care to mention what gun and gadget combo you used with cloak? And why does it say in your role that you're a Medium main? Don't try to act like you're a light main when you clearly don't know what is being talked about.

And ffs, I'm tired of people asking me to adapt, I ain't adapting to this shit class and broken specialization. Only played light cause I found it fun, now if I have to adapt I rather adapt to med/heavy. And until they don't revert or at least buff invis back to not completely render it useless I'm not gonna stop talking about it.. If you want to adapt or not adapt that is your personal choice, I'm not gonna try teach you how to play the game or adapt your style. Thanks.

[grizzled hornet]

All this will do is superficially increase their rank so when they get to the higher ranks they’ll be absolutely useless without their bigger hitboxes and aim assist and then fall right back down only to complain about the game here right after.

[versed dagger]

how about a UK patterned clown mask called the "cashout day mask"

[trail trellis]

go play goofy ahh valorant game

[wintry pecan]

bruh judging based on games

the finals better tho

[nocturne flare]

You're an evil person

[woven rivet]

Hey, just wanted to drop by to share my appreciation of the new ak anim bundle ! Can't wait to have more for other the weapons ! (good price too !)

[olive plover]

Yea man the thing they are saying play medium or play heavy when i dont like playing it is making me mad! It is like telling me change footbal team cause the other is better

[warm compass]

keep nerfing everything to degree that the game no fun to play embark dont listen to stupid community

[quick coyote]

i love these posts complaining about the mesh shield nerf, in the class that has 350HP and a shield that had the triple of its health which is often abused in high level play or double heavy teams. no one asked for, but its not a bad change at all.

@wicked dragon
i mained light for a chunk of season 1 and still play with the class quite regularly. medium in my profile is mostly because i was playing support/healer on ranked in early season 2(i used riot and turrets in S1).
i don't have a gadget combo because im often switching depending on the map and comps im facing with.

[cyan trench]

plz remove auto lock on for melee

[proper crescent]

Suggestions -

Remove stun gun

Make gateway insta teleport people if you hit them directly

M1 garand skin for the LH1 with funny ping noises

Make ranked progress visible instead of hidden behind some arrows

[coarse moon]

Not agreeing with the balance chances, is the one thing, but hating the whole studio even though it defineatly has potential, is just useless hating. For me embark is one of the most player friendly studios. Pls buff cloak again anyways!

[tame silo]

it's amazing '

[halcyon perch]

I don't think the suggestions you're making are going to improve the newcomer experience by a lot. there's also a player base that sits in the middle that won't be getting these advantages and they will feel like they are being treated unfairly. The people with average skill will still lose to cracked players but will now also lose more to bad players as well if we implement your change. Also making guns worse at range would force the game into a close range meta and close range is already where most engagements are anyway so a lot of guns would just not be viable. People who are good at the game are also those who play it a lot and stick to it. We should also look at keeping our current playerbase.

[somber axle]

There's a bug where the game not allowing me to [interact], [Shoot], [Deploy gadgets], [Use healing beam] and i have to die or leave the match to fix the problem, its annoying,

im sure im not the only one having this bug

[night dune]

voice chat is broken since yesterday's patch. voice only outputs from speakers instead of headset.

[shell steppe]

hello everyone,
where do i report bugs? (The Shotgun skin from last Patch has clipping charms..)

[quick coyote]

This game is literally unplayable on Asia, The worst FPS out right now in terms of cheaters and shit, The devs are powerless against DMA cheaters and aimbotters, They don't have a VOTE KICK functionality, they don't have a text chat, they don't have a active moderator. DUDE just implement a vote kick, IF in a round 5 people secretly vote to kick a player THATS A CHEATER. make it a secret vote so others don't know that their vote is counting towards the 5. It's 5 because you are worried it will be abused by teams of 3 and make it a hard rule that only 2 players can be vote kicked or something in a match. IT IS THAT SIMPLE> Also the death cam mine going off it's just mind boggling that there isn't a hotfix for that, that is a SEVERE game breaking bug

[shadow gyro]

beards when?

[heady pilot]

I agree.

[quick coyote]

man, i miss the season 1 music. some of the season 2 match loading music is very “harsh”. like it sounds kind of scratchy just my opinion, what are you guys thinking?

[novel mauve]

Please bring back dead go boom 😭

[rough herald]

its not about effectiveness but rather the fun factor. invis light ingagement for average player is souly realy on the invis, so locking it out will make the average player bored which is very bad as average player is most of the playbase

@somber nymph you did not think it throw didn't you? doing that is the equivalent of out right deleting the clock entirely. there are people that like playing with the clock you know.
@honest sedge HELL NO burh if this happen the game will be in chambel

[glad nacelle]

I, as an experienced player, will not feel myself left out because of these changes. I would be happy for others instead. You are right though, this will not improve new players experience by a lot, but it will improve their experience in any way. Players that join the game and spend half of the match watching the kill cam will not play this game anymore, they need to have feeling, that they can do something and the game is not full of pros. Thats important to keep your current players, but without simplifying the game and making it more inviting for newcomers you will end up in situations, where you will see how your current playerbase left to play new titanfall or new battlefield or arc raiders and new players will not come, because remaining players are cracked.
Check this instead:
Mar.27. Wednesday - 29k online.
Apr.3. Wednesday - 27k online.
Apr.10. Wednesday - 20k online.
Apr.17. Wednesday - 17k online.
After every Sunday game is loosing players that don’t come back. This game is in great necessity of newcomers.

[kind light]

Whatever you choose to nerf Stun Gun but - do not take possibility to cancel cashout. Without that L will be even more useless for a teamplay and ranked.
Also, consider making invis easier to detect but to revert last changes which takes 33% from usage to maybe 20%. If the problem consist from players who don't know how to detect L then try to make it easier for them instead of totally killing this specification. You know, when you think that something is a problem it might be smarter to fix the property of the problem instead of removing the full object without thinking what is the problem.

Please read the feedback from users here or on some reddit after this patch. Total majority of users says that they did not really had major problems with Lights while it is just annoying to play against them. Maybe let them be less annoyable but still playable not in the sense that they should stay AFK but play the damn game with just less annoyance for other users?

Do you think that snipers that make 1 shot and going invis again are too much? - then make waste of charge to be twice if invis breaks from the shot instead of making it by default!

[silver forge]

Make ranked tournaments 3 rounds.

Less players required which helps with closer match making and finding games quicker. Shorter games are also appreciated

[somber nymph]

no its not, if you really hate the cloaking that bad sacrificing a gadget slot for thermal is a very good option might change the meta of mid too because they always wont have a aps, drfib, mines, and jumpads one of them is going to go if they really want thermal to stop cloaks

[rose surge]

Nerfing cloak has already made me basically quit the game. That was the only playstyle I enjoyed, and it wasn't even OP. It was just annoying for new players. Nerfing the stun gun would be way too much. Fucking hell. The game was so balanced before the last update.

[hearty bough]

There at least needs to be a toggle option in the menu! Auto tracking on melee hurts more than it helps…

[placid panther]

BEARDS NOW

[hollow badger]

Ranked is way too grindy, its so hard to rank up

[opal pine]

please give us an option like Counter Strike's music discs to change the music and the main menu backgrounds to earlier seasons

I loved season 1's amaranth color and victory music, and its just a shame that such an awesome soundtrack isn't in the game anymore

[wicked dragon]

exactly, you go back and forth with how you play, no problem with that. A lot of people do, I do it too, my second main is med(turret+ak+mines). But still I mainly main light. What I'm saying is if you are used to a style and a nerf completely destroys the ability of how you play, it's not fun, and that has nothing to do with skills or adapting, it's just kills the fun to a big degree to see your hard work being questioned and you having to learn the ropes all over again. All I'm saying if you nerf an item, it's basic abilities and advantages should stay while any abusive or overpowering aspect of it should be reduced or removed. Invis was absolutely okay as is, not overpowered not underpowered either. It's just some people found stun+invis combo too hard to play against, and even that is a stun gun problem not an invis one. But this nerf completely breaks it's attacking abilities down to nothing.

[shadow gyro]

LETS KEEP IT UP FOLKS. WE WANT BEARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tough ravine]

Beards wen?

[quick coyote]

i don't disagree with you, i only said to adapt because the changes were already made. embark will either need to revert next week to compesante the new cloak visibility or not. maybe they will listen to you guys, but i never seen a nerf being reverted that quick.

[cursive kindle]

1. Ik the data reshaped got buffed but I feel like a nice addition would be this: So you know the clouds of smoke gas and fire, what if you could data reshape those down to the gas/fire/smoke canisters making it very useful
   2.Another improvement to rank profession e.g it would look like this
   Previous<—-Current—->Next

This will be a bar and will show you how close you are to your next rank

[hazy bobcat]

Counters to invis before nerf: guardian turret, tracking dart, sonar grenade, motion sensor, gas (can/grenade/mine), fire (can/grenade/mine/flamethrower), glitch (grenade/mine), stun gun.

Counters to invis after nerf: have hands (optional)

[shell nacelle]

flamethrower- headphones- eyeballs- noob tube-

[restive crescent]

BRUH YOU MADE ME JUMP

[thick sorrel]

So many cheaters around and they get suspensions? Why no perma bans? So dissatisfied...

[magic cobalt]

I started beating my phone stop lmao

[brave fox]

Heavy still has the highest dps output

[glass fjord]

Environmental damage challenges ALWAYS EQUATES TO PEOPLE DOING FUCKING NOTHING IN MATCHES BESIDES DESTROYING BUILDINGS AND RUINS EVERYONES GAME. Please stop.

[glacial crow]

This patch was absolutely shit, changing the invis from 12 percent to 33 percent is an absolute fuckup being a light player i really enjoy it, having an disadvantage of health at 150 compared to medium and heavy it puts u in a position where u already are taking a risk playing as light, i believe that now invis is not usable for me as i have less time to take my time i feel more pushed into having to make quicker decisions or put my self in sticky situations where i have no options and im most likely going to die for me i feel like i cant make better plays or really just enjoy myself. as well dash for me is not enjoyable as majority of pc players have good aim and can track a light player dashing so either way i feel stuffed.

[merry creek]

The demise of this game is so sad

[warm compass]

season 1 theme music bring it back

[violet rover]

its sad but this game is dead and i think the devs are to 100% the reason they are so slow with everything and there are close to no meta shifts thats why this game gets lame very fast

[quick coyote]

I agree with the game feeling repetitive

[teal python]

I died so many times with the sound bugged

[smoky hearth]

bronze player logic

1. no
2. then experienced player will just tank their kd in casual games to get an unfair advantage
   3.unfair advantage and no
3. why its a sniper
   5.nope, ranks exist for a reason

[keen summit]

This is the most reasonable and based take today

[severe wave]

pls change spawns and give us a option do dont show our names. People are griefing my team on purpose every round its very annoying and frustrating its not even that were losing but its a million times harder to play if every team always waits for you and griefs you no matter what

[shell nacelle]

how medium class gets away with the best guns- gadgets and movement options in gadgets is beyond me. Heavy and light just get obliterated constantly by devs... we can tell what class they play.. There is a reason why ranked is absolutely FILLED with Mediums. Not to mention Light class is rarely seen in ranked. Devs: LeTs NeRf ThEm MoRe"

[foggy raptor]

Feedback for light build, with the new cloaking device is okay to play with, but i seem to get penalized on scenarios where lets say someone is shooting at me as im running away lets say one bullet hits me right after i activate the cloaking device well now i gotta toggle it again bc they keep shooting. only to be invis for 1 second, 2 at most and with 150 health it really penalizes the cloaking device. On the other hand 150 health with the dash or grappler feels balanced, like you can do something in the same scenario. 300 health for light would be better with cloaking device(as how cloaking device is rn) but would be op with dash and grappler.... So maybe just reducing the % it takes when toggling it could balance the cloaking device, something like 25%? (is at 33%rn changed from 14.2%) or another percentage OR change how fast it drains while invis is active and keeping the 14.2% but honestly i think is better to just change the 33% to something around the 20's% OR replace the specialization like recon senses was replaced and keep invis as a gadget only.

[wicked dragon]

Exactly this. DEVS, please take note. What we are asking for is absolutely meaningful in our own rights. Problem is people just find it hard to counter and not that invis is crutch or overpowered. Just bc it's hard to counter doesn't mean it needs a nerf. Turrets, mines, mesh, RPG, dome, charge n'slam, Fcar, sword, heal beam and a lot more things are hard to counter but we still enjoy the game without complaining right? Fact is some things will always be hard to counter but that doesn't mean we should just complain until it gets nerfed.
And also please be careful with stun, please don't launch this class into oblivion. It's already quite dead in here

[grizzled canopy]

Day 15 of asking Embark for some medieval bundles 🙏

[unreal fossil]

I realize that balancing this game is made difficult by the abysmal difference of experience/perception between solo queue players and stacked team players. Who'd think CD is mandatory ? Solo Lights. Who'd think CD is too strong ? Any other solo player. A stacked team with coms won't suffer as much from invisible Lights, and their Light -if they have one- may not even need CD as much himself. And QC/ranked gameplay is also very different. So is it really possible to satisfy everyone ?

[raven mortar]

I can’t find any games with my 3 in high gold.. we’ve managed to find 1 game over a week having searched maybe for a couple hours total

[rancid kraken]

Some thing in battle pass aren't unlocking for me, such as the gimme 5 emote, and the vector collector. Could I maybe get that unlock? Since I ya know paid and worked for it

[glad nacelle]

wood player logic

1. Why no?
2. You are right, but it can work based not on k/d instead on time played, wins and loses, accuracy percentage or whatever you want. It can be implemented without giving possibility to farm it.
3. Why unfair? Those guys have 0.4 k/d. Are you afraid of them? Lol
4. Based on Power Shift experience. I was able to stay literally on the other side of the map killing everyone without being killed. New players don’t know how to deal with that.
5. Those changes must affect only casual game modes, not ranked.

[teal python]

this update is the worst that I have seen, there are so many things that are wrong, the slight nerf which has become unplayable, sound spatialization bug, reappearance bug with advairse team, bug of coin box under the floor and finaly cheater in 1/2 game

[vale monolith]

day 3

PLEASE add better audio sliders. I'd like to hear my teammates through their quick chat comms via the dialogue, but i do not wanna hear the announcers while playing. I'm not sure why the dialogue option for the audio settings disables ALL forms of verbal dialogue. I'd rather hear the stadium announcers and not the two main announcers. PLEASE add more options for audio settings.

[glass fjord]

Second match of the day with two people running around power shift doing fuck all.

[smoky hearth]

1: it would make the gunplay less fun and more random
2: its still an unfair advantage
3: its cheating, devs did something similar in s1 removing aim assist from pc players
4: its a sniper, thats what its supposed to do
5: people will just make a smurf get bad stats and make the game unfun for everyone
to me it just sounds like a bad player trying to get an unfair advantage to win more

[whole acorn]

Bruh since when did the healing beam become the invincible beam bro wtf

[somber lynx]

The strength of the mesh shield lies in its ability to be deployed immediately, so I think it would be good to nerf it with a preliminary action in between.

[brittle zinc]

I left the subreddit because of significantly better and more well thought out insane-o-posting.

[severe wave]

most frustrating season ever embark i cant even put into words

[timber venture]

why is there only one message every 30 minutes lol

[smoky belfry]

Only people that are happy are the ones that complained so much about something that wasn’t the problem.

[main knot]

The light in my team Is cheating

[hollow mango]

SHORTER RANKED MATCHES

[proud ocean]

Fix your SBMM, games are unfair and not fun. Make the finals fun again.

[floral gorge]

Sometimes the game is really laggy and has freeze screens (not just for me)

[teal python]

I'm going to stop playing this game, it ruined one of the only games I enjoyed playing.... in 1 update how is it possible to fk a game

[stable gull]

Still waiting for devs to penalize pussies that like to constantly leave matches. No one likes having to play back to back 2v3’s regardless of the game mode, casual or not

[glad nacelle]

1. I gave an example in original message why I think it could works. Not to make gunplay random but to give new players a chance to come closer to the point without being killed from distance of 150-200m.
2. It still sounds like you afraid of them.
3. They made aim assist worse for gamepads and removed possibility to use that aim assist on m&k with third-party hardware and software. You don’t even know what you’re talking about.
4. Yeah i know genius. That change suppose to force snipers play closer to opponents, so it would be easier for new players to get snipers out.
5. You are talking about something else. Number five is about fall-off damage. I have 200 hours played since open beta, you are crazy if you think that I’m stuck at 0.4 k/d and trying to change the game for myself.

[shell nacelle]

awful take

[dark tundra]

Man I’ve been thinking about this for so long

[opal hare]

Nerf the fcar don’t play with recoil nerf it it’s unfair

[rough herald]

Give us interactive emote like in TF2, copy them even

[violet elbow]

why does every fps game need to ruin skill expression and cater to the worst players in the game, just improve

sniper change is cool tho

[terse lark]

please revert the cloak nerf it feels terrible. idk how you devs play tested the change and thought it was a good change

[craggy jackal]

+1 revert cloak nerf. not playing this game anymore due to SHIT BALANCING

[shut salmon]

+1

[coarse moon]

just hopped back in, gave it another try:
Me tricking the heaves --> trying to hide --> no invis -->dead
Next fight --> heavy sees me --> rocket launcher --> onehit dead

[quick coyote]

I don't even use cloak. But a nerf to light is a nerf to light regardless. Stun gun should understandably get gutted, but cloak didn't deserve this.

[wary tapir]

Sorry bro MUST NERF LIGHT is MMH HHM STIL OP NO IDC

[brisk valve]

The cloak nerf feels ABSOLUTELY terrible. It was the only thing keeping light alive. Even dash mains cant survive without the invis grenade. You made the hardest and most disadvantaged class to play even harder to play.

[arctic garden]

They should just get rid of cloak and add something that works better for light

[terse mesa]

What’s up with the four teams? Did I miss something lmao

[wary storm]

Can we get mnk support for console back please. Now we are in pc lobbies it would be nice to have the option. Even if that means we can’t play against other console on controller. Absolutely fine

[static wolf]

These updates are so tone deaf and are making people leave the game. Recent changes like fcar recoil and mesh shield feel like lazy nerfs that arent really gonna change the meta of ape-ing people with 2 heavies. Start buffing weak things instead of nerfing the things that are working due to a vocal minority. You can tell the devs dont know what they are doing balance wise, they give all gadgets that countered cloak to light and removed recon and then nerf cloak? Makes no sense that they fix the problem they create

[teal flower]

They making a power vaccum

[vagrant slate]

It would be really great if we could go back to being able to use our steam usernames. I really dont understand why this change was implemented and it doesnt align with other games

[deep otter]

https://tenor.com/view/cod-hackers-cheating-gaming-gif-20053706

[vale crescent]

are u planning to add chat into the game?

[wicked dragon]

Light nerf is terrible devs! Revert!

[smoky belfry]

As a diamond light main I have to say this new nerf for cloak is terrible, I played a lot and from my perceptive I see that now cloak is no long a defense ability because whenever you get shot you can’t use invisible because it drains so fast that people start chasing you the entire time. Another thing is the was cloak was balanced before is what made the game fun for me and felt for the first time that I could actually compete with pc on the same level as them or even higher since pc has always had a advantage over every game but now that they nerfed cloak I feel there’s no longer have a edge as a high skilled player anymore. Another thing is now as a light you have less opportunity to help your team by doing damage because your either using all your cloak to run away and regain health or you only have enough health to get into 1 fight with someone. Putting a nerf on stun makes sense but putting a nerf on cloak I believe was bad move from devs and please consider reverting and keeping the player base that doesn’t say anything happy instead of listening to people who only dislike nerf because they don’t know how to counter it. If anyone else agrees with me please like this message so devs can see this.

[robust swan]

please revert the cloak nerf it feels terrible. idk how you devs play tested the change and thought it was a good change

[elfin quail]

Do something about the modding trash in this game its feeling more like COD every day and add more maps to power shift why do we not have all the maps in the game in that mode

[nova veldt]

this game is so insanely luck based, either u win rounds wihtout getting a single kill, or u have 9 people targeting only your team

[brazen flint]

Aps turret should be nerfed it should at least take up 3-4 grenades before it breaks besides having an infinite supply to intercepting throwables and mines.

[sacred siren]

have you tried shooting it

[echo viper]

revert the cloak activation nerf, nobody asked for it and the pain point has always been how inconsistent it is to track down - between visibility being determined by hardware to some extent and the fact that the audio cue sometimes just doesn't play in stereo if at all - this nerf just serves to make the ability less interesting and far worse in combat situations, the former being much more damning

[lime forge]

There should be more ways to killing your enemies. This game has become a simple shooter. Shit in this has either been nerfed, or removed; more nerfs will come. I insist that a health buff and weapon buff should be introduced. Light is going to be dirt with these next updates. People are just gonna run dash and sword.
Let's make light 200 health, Medium 300, and heavy 400 pls 🙏

[pseudo latch]

Day 37 of me begging the devs to give heavy an M134 Minigun as a Specialization.

• 200 Round magazine, ammo is restored two bullets every second, 100 seconds for a full reload.
• 20 rounds per second, eleven damage a round, 220 DPS
• Falloff begins at 30 meters down to six damage a shot at 50, but wide spread means the weapon becomes less effective past 10 meters even against larger targets
• bullets do high damage to structures (should be breaking walls in 20-50 shots) allowing a mid-range option to output mass destruction (destroying entire walls on higher floors of buildings, ripping apart nesting sightlines)
• • significant damage to structures and players
• • gun can be pre-spooled with RMB over having an ADS (for obvious reasons, you try to aim down the sights of a water cooler)|
• • high suppressive force through sheer amount of bullets being fired
• • its a goddamn minigun
• - Heavy cannot jump or sprint while holding it, has to switch back to primary
• - lengthy equip-unequip time to balance such, no “pocket minigun” strats, choosing to use this is a commitment
• - gun has to spool up for a second before firing, spool up being LOUD

[glad nacelle]

Every game that how you call that “ruins skill expression” do that in casual game modes and they have ranked game modes, where only pure skill matters. Casuals are playing casual game modes and competitive greedy players are playing competitive game modes. But the most important that they are playing the same game! And when they meet each other in casual game mode cracked gamers are still better, but not as much as it could be, so no one in disadvantage. Newcomers should have place in this game to feel free to learn all the mechanics and gunplay. It would be good for everyone.

[smoky hearth]

2. Yeah bc they going to have a massive advantage
3. That's what I was talking abt
4. Snipers are long range weapons

[stoic mist]

So after losing rating after an unranked quick cash game yesterday me and my friends also just lost rating for simply launching the game today? It wont let me send a screenshot in here but it basically instantly pops up the rating change screen with an arrow down

Editing cause it wont let me post again because of slow mode, as reponse to the person below, I don't have permission to post in the bugs channel

[sand marten]

#1201841543926005810 is a thing for a reason

[terse lark]

please revert the cloak nerf. it feels terrible to use and has killed what little viability light had in ranked.

[rare rock]

embark can we have a ruleset for a ttrpg of the finals

[digital haven]

disconnecting in ranked match will stop you from being able to play the future rounds even if you rejoin and qualify you are kicked and suspended so your team is now just left as a duo... this needs fixed losing rank afterwards sure i can maybe understand but now hurting my teammates for this into future rounds kinda sucks

[ornate pewter]

LooL why da fuck do i get into Full diamond premades when im gold 3 in ranked ....... seriously not even fun !

[gray nova]

tell me why it’s taking 4+ minutes to find a ranked match 😶

[timber venture]

I am diamond 2 Xbox and I turn off cross play for less cheaters and I cannot find a ranked game during the day lol I have to wait until 8 pm to even get into a game

[eager raven]

Evasive Dash really needs to be team colored! https://discordapp.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1230602686223613973

[stray rampart]

Please work on the game's optimization. Thank you!

[plush imp]

Can’t play game sucks because I’m trying to get into ranked for the past two hours. Is there an update on the server?

[hearty rose]

There is a bug that's been hunting since season 1 and it's that most of the times when I am carrying a box and drop it to deploy jump pad and immediately try to grab the box, it just automatically drops the box

(I even tested it without jumping and yet it was still the same thing)

[stable lagoon]

Embark, if you don’t want The Finals to die out like Smash Legends, add a text chat asap. Lack of communication modes can absolutely destroy player retention. Not implementing text chat because or concerns over toxicity is kind of a stupid move, considering how many games notorious for their toxicity are still very much thriving.

[wise finch]

Hackers in every fuvking match

[vale acorn]

More large team game modes

[main knot]

Yep, and they are friends of Who Is karried, they are a duo. So they can ban the cheater, but the mate Is taking High rank... Piece of shit

[still yoke]

Get rid of sbmm and your game will be more fun

[honest island]

I would like a change in the store, it is good but it could be better you are putting everything in excessively large packages, also include the possibility of purchasing separate items Most packages I only want 1 item so I haven't bought much from the store yet because I don't have the option to buy items outside of packages sell the items separately too This is very annoying and demotivating abusive packages in the store with items mixed from the 3 classes Furthermore, the price of virtual currency in the Brazilian region is very high, so the region should be reduced I would also like a change in character customization, being able to put on a mask that only covers the mouth along with the oculus add upper face protection and lower face protection to the customization menu I know we have in the store again in a damn package called Bandido da Baixada, a mask with glasses but it is limited to just that specific mask and glasses and I would like to put on different glasses Just as I would like to customize the wrists on both arms, one with a watch and the other with a bracelet should have the option to choose which arm to equip the wrist item It would also be great for upper body clothing, some clothes have their own covers, there should be the option to equip and unequip the covers for coats, coats, vests, as well as there is an error with the upper part of the body equipping the item of the lower and upper part of the back insignia and change of appearance Portuguese translation of the item's classification the items are unequipped, this is frustrating especially with items purchased outside of the pass Because of this error, it would be good to have a skin test section where all items could be equipped without purchasing to see if the complete skin would be good and not conflict with unequipping an item also problems with gloves, some make watch straps disappear Just as It would be great to have the option to raise and fold the sleeves so the clocks show

[glacial knot]

Bro i ve seen a team they cheat since season one, they take all cashouts in the whole map, untill today they are not banned yet. So stop dreaming ,

[rose surge]

Yep, this is a terrible update. Why did they have to nerf it so badly? They made it fucking useless.

[wicked dragon]

agreed. They must revert this nerf back. Invis is useless nowadays, I already am putting in less hours than I used to. If this keeps going I'd rather just leave at this point. Playing doesn't feel fun anymore.

[wild forge]

Anyone know why fame points were removed or how the new ranking works?

[nocturne flare]

They changed the whole system up because the fame points system was way too simplistic. It's a lot more involved now and they probably don't want people to figure out exactly how it works because they don't want people to game the system

[vast hornet]

please fix ur banning system its so dumb i got banned for no reason i didnt leave any casual game any ranked game i just finished my ranked game after that i was in lobby and invited somebody to join and i was banned its just making so i mad bc this has happend MULTIPALE time for 2 hours EACH

[brittle harness]

Waiting minutes to get matched with bots. Sorry the ranked experience is a waste of time.

[gusty locust]

Can we have the early season 2 smoke nades back they were so much better

[delicate marlin]

Honestly the more i think about it the cloak nerf Isnt that bad but nerfing one of light’s greatest tools without giving anything in return was very bad. While light was completely playable/viable he was the weakest class and now he’s even more weak

Also don’t nerf stun gun

[ornate pewter]

The nerft was legit good for console atleast

[hybrid zinc]

where will the numbers go when ppl finish their battle pass in the following week(s)? 🤔

[drowsy owl]

I like the game and play it a lot, but i dont like that the map sys horizon is gettin used so often i got it for 24 matches in a row, and i would love it if private matches would be possible with 2 players so you can 1v1 with friends, a way to implement that would be to host the server on the guys pc that starts the match

[magic cobalt]

NOBODY WANT TO PLAY RANKED TODAY ON NORTH AMERICA SERVERS:( SEARCHING FOR 15+ MINS NO MATCH

[vapid crystal]

valid question. To keep myself busy i've put a personal challenge to myself to have each weapon at level 2 by the end of season 2 - but i remember in s1 when my bp was done, I only popped in for the LTEs

[vale acorn]

Competitive role queue would be nice if everyone was forced into each role. Could be an alternative comp mode on top of the normal one

[thin oar]

Finding a game in EU servers on xbox is almost impossible without crossplay on...taking over 5 minutes for any mode.
Crossplay one means playing against PC players who are way stronger thanks to mouse and keyboard...
Console only crossplay need to come back

[honest island]

sale of a unique weapon skin for each weapon, this is ridiculous, they should sell a weapon wrap, a weapon skin should work on all weapons, not just one that is ridiculous recycled cosmetics item just changing color appearing in the store and in the battle pass oh my god what a shame And look, the price of digital currencies is super high to keep recycling items

[robust prawn]

Give heavy the option to have a 1 shot sniper rifle (the 50 AMR)

[stuck trench]

This patch was a very rare Embark L.

Please stop listening to absolutely everything the community complains about, and think about balancing for yourself.

Everything is over-nerfed at this point. I thought the balance was in a pretty good state, and it was time for things to start receiving buffs, but we're still, somehow, not at that point yet.