👂┇game-feedback

[cosmic jolt]

What type of crash do you get anything poppin up ?

[steep patio]

You sure they are cheating? They genuinely might just be good.

[earnest sierra]

people here are so annoying they expecting the devs are just pressing some switches and buttons to make changes and expecting to balance everything and whenever someone says nerf this or buff that they should do it immediately

i want everyone to download UE5 and show me how long it's gonna take for them to make a functional door or a single light bulb that lights with switch probably hours just to make such small thing and you need the devs to release patch notes every hour to pleas your needs stop bullshiting

they have plans in mind and it takes so much to make I'm even surprised how fast they release patches i have never seen any game does that probably in every game we only get like 3 updates a year? and they never fix anything and apex is a big example and the devs actually listening to us and fixing problems so fast than any other game company would do and most of other games just to add skins with every single update to make money through gacha shit but the finals are way different and yall just complaining

another thing EVERY GAME HAVE TO SINK IN PLAYER BASE AFTER THE RELEASE the amount of players playing the game rn are decent and i don't see any problem with it and the game is ACTUALLY better than most FPS games out there every other game is just copy paste with same shit and same ideas no new shit expect skins to suck your wallet and on top of that you have to pay 70$ to play them LOL

every game have cheaters and there's loads of them in higher rank that's the case with literally every single game and EAC aren't actually good at it's job but it's all we have now yall talking like every game have super hyper anti cheat that detects a cheater before the game launches and ban him immediately

GAMES BALANCING IS NEVER AN OPTION IN ANY GAME

@cold pilot i wanted to give an example but it would be too long and you might never understand but you're playing a game and you need to understand how the game work and how it's developed and you will understand how changes are made so you can understand how long it takes to make them changes and patches from gathering information about the problem to releasing the patch with the fix so you have some small knowledge about how the game industry and developing work

but if you're JUST A PLAYER so STFU and keep playing in silent because that should be all what you worry about..I'm not a CEO for embark but people are so annoying and they don't understand anyshit and they have a big mouth with bullshiting everywhere like they know how everything should be done and work dude educate yourself first before talking lol

[quick coyote]

Ok yes it’s hard to do shit but some of the changes they’ve been making are shit that just look good on paper but don’t actually do anything, like the past two lh1 changes did literally nothing besides look like a buff, I fully understand that they wanna test things out or whatever but seriously light is weak as fuck and all they’ve done is nerf it because people were annoyed by the one actually effective way of playing without buffing any other playstyle leaving it almost pointless to play unless at the highest level

[mossy crown]

Bug report: I have crossplay turned off and yet all of my matches are crossplay on

[ebon peak]

Wise words,,, all the morons who think that devs can release updates on a daily basis and add modes on a weekly basis - must read for you guys

[quick coyote]

Image this game has a miner inside of it 💀💀

[cold pilot]

we are players, not the CEO, we paid for the stuffs dude, stop being like a ||~~fkin ~~||CEO work in embark

[hardy bridge]

add more wacky weapons

[frail prawn]

lh1??? Lh1 is one of the most dangerous weapons what you mean? I have been beamed by that thing, it doesn't need any buff, I have seen dudes with +20 kills with that thing on tournaments

@fading snow I get that Light its not the best but changes shoulndt be aiming for a glass canon but a better survival, the best way to make Light viable wou8ld be increassing its regen startup speed so you dont need to wait 100 years to come back to the fight, that way, its the same for weapon balances, and its playstyle, it would be just better to play since it has an advantage over the other classes just like the other classes have an advantage over light without changing the amount of bullets you need to kill a Light

[true moat]

nothing adressing nukes sick

[gaunt bay]

its called a healing beam and no one is cheating

[radiant heath]

Yea that cheat is already in the game for a week or 2. (people can play wat ever and use wat ever util and the cheater can even heal himself)

[quick coyote]

I feel like the game should definitely get better customization, although that is not a big priority.

Stuff like instead of having 3 recolors of the same hair just be able to change it to the color you want like other games do.

Maybe even add facial hairs like beards and moustaches and you can change their color too!

Or for stuff like the watch or wrist cosmetics being able to choose which wrist you want them in.

Meanwhile for guns you could choose where you want to put your sticker.

[hearty hound]

better game optimization. i beg.

[quick coyote]

Omg good player is good with a weapon in a sweaty environment what a surprise I’ve seen people drop 20 kills with throwing knives that doesn’t make the weapon good, and I’m just using it as an example as to how some of the changes don’t change anything and while I don’t think it needs a damage buff I would like the visual recoil lessened because goddamn, and I’d like to make it clear that I’m not dissing the devs I’m aware that balancing is hard work but making “changes” like that just to look good is just kinda disappointing and I’d rather wait for actually good changes rather than these faux changes every week, but ok use the middle finger emoji because I actually gave criticism instead of kissing their ass @ebon peak because guess what, if all we do is praise them regardless of what they do the game is gonna go to shit, and while it’s currently fun for the most part, there are some aspects that make me want to gouge my eyes out and I’m respectfully not going to hide that, the devs are adults and they should be able to take criticism so you don’t need to protect them with vulgar emojis

[fading snow]

I believe they were just pointing out that the Lh1 buff looked good but it’s not something people may deem as a reason to play light and thus it is just a buff for the weapon that looks good in the patch notes. Which in my time playing I think I’ve only seen the LH1 a hand full of times and I have 129 hours of play time. I’m also a light main so I like to specifically pay attention to others in light and what they’re running.

[earnest sierra]

light isn't a team player actually light is a damage dealer by flanking or some strategy not a duel fighter in a straight 1v1 you can think of light like an assassin in other games they die too fast but they deal so much damage and you can do that damage to all the enemy team if you know how you can do it

i understand that light doesn't have the best ttk time but they should never have it because they will be so op in assassining ykwim? you guys really don't understand the class
why does light have stun gun? vanish?grapple and dash for speed? the only class with sniper?and it's generally the fastest class? because it's never meant to be played in a 1v1 vs medium lol ofc not it's kind of hit and run or assassin from behind just understand why they made it this way and how you can use it to it's full potential

@quick coyote defib to light wouldn't work not because they're not team player but imagine a light taking an enemy team statu from the middle of your team and dashing away and reving him before anyone can react lol..you really need to understand how it will work

and if lights in diamond 1 doesn't make it past round 2 it's not always the light fault why are you talking like light should carry the whole team lol? and read what i just typed up there light isn't meant to be a team player

[quick coyote]

Lmao defib to light, what are you drinking?

All shit light players can stay and play casual. New game mode "bank it" is filled with lights only, no mediums there and you saying about nerf. Ranked is not for you buddy.
You light players never teamplay thats why i dont see any lights making it past round 2 in Diamond1 lobbies 😂

[hallow ruin]

How can a class that only has utility for himself that supposed to help him get kills quickly and get out quickly be useful for the team?
The ranked game is not bank it friend and there just mediums mostly.
It is creally visible that u are low rank in any other fps shooter game or atleast have a mindset of one.
Just because some1 is better than u and dominanted u using light class dosent mean its good.

@gaunt bay kinda but comon he rly is the least usefull for the team
Like I am a light main and even dumbass like me realised that light sucks

[gaunt bay]

☝️🤓 uhm akshually the light class DOES have utility for his team

[sinful gazelle]

🫵🤓 Vanish bomb (buffed) and glitch grenade join chat

[earnest sierra]

idk why yall want light to be a team player and the game should be all about the power of friendship and being useful for the team by healing or tanking😂

[grizzled wyvern]

Nerf turrets 🗣️🔥🔥🔥 I love when turrets can auto lock to any position, are smaller than a light, and have more health than a medium

[quick coyote]

@earnest sierra Saying it isn’t a team player but also isn’t meant to take 1v1’s is soooooooo contradicting, if anything it should have the fastest ttk because mediums and heavies are normally playing around eachother while lights are solo so why should the lowest hp class also do the least amount of damage especially when hit and run doesn’t work when they can flip around and kill you in 0.6 seconds (genuine average ttk against a light)

[drifting atlas]

The Finals have overall great variety, but expressions seem to be underused from most people. Custom lobby/server/maps could be the solution to make expressions more usable and get people to socialize. (Just similar ideas comparing to Overwatch 2's custom games if you think about it)

[fading snow]

As a new diamond 4 light main I believe light has extremely strong team play capability depending on how you play. Unfortunately I think a lot of lights just don’t understand how to be apart of a team which is sad as it ruins the ability of good lights to find a team in the lfg since nobody believes in light. The glitch nade is so powerful and the ability to take high ground and be mobile as a scout is so crucial for team play especially now with recon being nerfed. I’ve been running sniper throughout plat up to diamond and I’ve found that when I’m able to chunk health and kite enemy teams for my teammates to come clean up it makes everyone’s day a lot easier and thus that it my argument for lights (me) being a team player #justiceforlights

[hallow ruin]

#makethefinalsgreatagain

[quick coyote]

Facts. They just dont teamplay thats all. Crying about all the classes outperforming them when they are the ones solo playing all the time. Other classes stick together.

Most of light players cant handle being light

I would say playing light is taking easy way out since you can cry about dying later since its not "balanced"

[frank nymph]

I think your suggestion of lessening the recoil on the LH1 is a good idea. Might have more viable lights in rank.

But, I'm just gonna put it out there Playing against a light in rank is not fun. They are able to quickly isolate and punish people out of team positions, as well as absolutely mess up your push strategy.

We can be in close proximity to the heavy or other medium, but always get run down by the light. And when my team reacts, he's gone.

While, ofcourse, we run a recon as well. Maybe my recon player cannot catch the approaching light since he keeps toggling his recon on and off (skill issue maybe).

I think the main issue about lights is basically the skill floor and how difficult it is to handle being a light. Mispositioning is heavily punished due to your low health.
But I dont think they should get a damage buff, nor team utility.
Maybe more control over their guns, but that should be about it.

[earnest sierra]

lights have the highest DPS what you talking abt? but some of their weapons need some good aim and training to deal the damage they should deal

V9S DPS is 360 lol it can take down a heavy in less than a second but IF the player can aim probably

XP-54 DPS : 270 more than any weapon med or heavy have expect the CL-40 if it hit direct

M11 DPS : 272 the same as XP-54

LH1 DPS : 245 less than the FCAR which have 250 DPS but the LH1 have 98 crit damage which can easily take down heavy in 4 shots or med in 3 shots and generally anyone playing this weapon will aim for the head because of the crit damage

SH1900 DPS : 450 i don't need to talk about it lol

SR-84 DPS : 96 but it's a sniper so? also crit damage is 230

melee weapons are 1v1 weapons and the player need to be fast and skilled and and can dash enemy bullets to play with them but if we gonna talk abt them

dagger can 1 shot every class with a backstab expect for heavy you need another 1 melee hit which is fast so it's a oneshot for every class

sword alt fire deals so high damage and it's too hard to catch them when they dash around and there's a leaderboard players with sword

throwing knives have high damage per hit but need precious aiming and move predicting to make use of them and you can be a damage dealer with them not necessarily a kill machine

[glad ginkgo]

Embark miss a golden opportunity with that claws and snarls bundle. It could had been an all melee skin bundle. Like some kind of dragon staff for the sledge. A dragon shaped shield and a decorative baton for riot shield. Plus a custom dragon hilt for the dagger. All black and gold. Miss that opportunity completely

[placid tree]

You guys have disserviced the light class so hard, I’m getting 2 tapped across the map consistently guys. How am I supposed to do anything when I insta die. Or give us kill cams, cause some of these don’t seem legit

[quick coyote]

The main issue with those though is that they require you to hit every shot which doesn’t happen because that type of damage happens in a full mag or half a mag, and it still takes over a second to kill anything that isn’t a light while they die in less than that, meanwhile it takes 4-5 shots from a medium/heavy to kill us with mags that are 30-50ish bullets so don’t glaze me like that because especially with the recoil and movement in this game hitting 15 - 20 bullets with the xp or mac 11 before they hit their 5 isn’t gonna happen very often and the lh1’s visual recoil is so crazy and makes it so inaccurate that unless you’ve got 100 hours with it hitting 4 consecutive critical is not gonna happen, don’t give me the numbers on paper because in practice that shit is a whole lot different not to mention the ttk for the throwing knives even against a light is still 1 second which is one of the longest ttks so make it make sense for me

Lights should send in their gameplay footage so we can see the "balance" issue. Or is it them playing solo 😏

[gleaming tide]

egg. pls.

[hallow ruin]

As a light main I developed for myself a Moon strategy
Like I am on a orbit around my team, so whenever they start a gun fight I am always at the side/behind the enemy
Dont know if it is a good strat but works for me

[somber basin]

Just adding another comment on crossplay, it's frustrating how night and day the experience is

[earnest sierra]

that's why i said the weapons need good aiming because if they was like the med fcar that barely have any recoil they would be op because if you land everyshot you would deal high amount of damage and combine it with very fast class that can dissapear or dash and jump around you you really don't want them to have more damage i have played heavy couple times and lights melts me with M11 while dashing or hitting form behind while they're so close to land every shot and that's how they should be played vs heavy or med man you just keep saying that med and heavy need 4 bullets to kill lights why would light even put himself in a situation that makes him take so many shots and so vulnarble in the first place? as i said it's an assasin class so it should never be infront of the enemy team to be shot they need to flank or use the utilities to get behind one of the enemy team and kill them so fast and if they have ttk less than 1sec on every weapon meds and heavys would never have any time to react or save themselves

imagine the M11 got a damage buff and it can take heavy in like 0.6 sec and they have cloaking device the moment a light get behind or close to a heavy it's a gg for the heavy no chance to do anything with a stun gun lol there's no chance for them

you don't need to get the kill every time you flank or get behind the enemy you can deal some damage to the enemy team or use some utilty like frag or gas or glitch to help your team finishing them off without having to fight them all full hp

i main light since the release and playing in diamond rn i have wiped too many teams with meds and heavys but ofc not just going 1v3 and pray to have magical aimbot to take them with 1 mag no lol i try to get behind each one of them and kill then dash so fast away then vanshing with bomb and getting close again dealing damage and running and so on and strafing is a huge factor in fights and good aiming makes everything easier and the team wipes i make solo most of them in plat and i have some of clips of me wiping teams on my own

[fading snow]

That’s what I do and it works amazingly especially when you have two guys who know what they are doing and you can support them with a little space in between as they support each other

[quick dew]

the final round of a ranked tournament should be named “The Finals” instead of “Final Round”. Brings everything full circle and sounds cooler and is overall so much better

[foggy ginkgo]

HOW ABOUT WE LIMIT HOW MANY GODDAMN PEOPLE WHO CAN USE A TURRET PER TEAM LIKE WHOLLY FUCCCCC I SHOULDNT HAVE TO MOW DOWN 9 TURRETS TO GET INTO ONE FCKIN CASHOUT

[frank nymph]

so then youll understand why your suggestion for giving gas mines/defib/jump pad to lights is a shit one.

Lights should have utility beneficial to themselves.

Mediums have utility beneficial to the team.

If you take those away, then mediums should be compensated with more destruction utility (leading back to the nukes discussion), or selfish utility (leading back to the recon discussion).

But then giving them this option would drastically change the playstyle of the class as a whole.

[past fox]

Devs workin hard respect

[hollow vigil]

It’s NOT????

[hardy bridge]

add a skibidi toilet crossover

[gaunt bay]

add a zyzz/randy orton pose it would be sick as a victory emote

[hallow ruin]

But the thing is Light is not good for it.

Like imagine
My team is fighting 3 vs 3
I engage and kill 1 of the enemies
Then I need to run away, most likely with low health and wait 10 seconds to recover.
The enemy medium (and there is always more than 1 in these sad times) will instantly revive and heal up the one I killed
And what do we have?
A 2vs3 even tho I am still alive, just sitting in a random corner with 5 hp waiting :>

[frail prawn]

thats why the best solution to light its to reduce the wait for hp recover

[foggy ginkgo]

Faster health regen would fix a lot of lights problems and cater more to its hit and run playstyle

[frank nymph]

I guess your other 2 teammates are sitting there twiddling their thumbs?

Killing the healer and forcing another medium to run over to rez, practically takes 2 people out of the fight for a hot 3s.

A lot can happen in 3 seconds, and mostly itll rely on your teamwork. But in most cases (especially with mine) we just lose the push initiative and have to reset.
We aint gonna push into a set up with 1 med 1 heavy, thats suicide. Nor are we gonna expand energy to chase the light, which takes up valuable timing.
If he's close to us, and we can kill him, great. if not then we just reset and try again.

The worst case is when we get pushed as our focus is on the light that has just killed our teammate. That shit sucks.

I cant tell you what to do, since I dont run with a light. My experience is only being on the receiving end of it.

[crude tree]

Hello people, I have some minor suggestions which I feel would help. I was wondering if it were possible for devs to make masks and hats more compatible with eachother, for example a recent gasmask we recieved is a facial wear, but is incompatible with 90% of hats, so you cant wear the blue tactical helmet with the gas mask. Would the devs consider unlocking cosmetic combinations in patches in order to enable more customisation options for players regarding headwear and facialwear? I also think it would behoove the consumers to be able to "try on" multiple pieces of style parts at once in order to preview whether a hat, mask, or other part is compatible with another desired part. I was disappointed when I got the gasmask, hoping I can wear the blue tactical helmet with it, only to find out they are incompatible after already making my purchase.

[quick coyote]

So my very constructed feedback on the last update.

• New mode is extremely boring, if you don't spam red barrel nukes you have no chance and "Bank it" isn't even that fun to begin with. But to be fair, cosmetics are good... Until...

• New gloves from the event contracts is a literal recolor of an already existing glove that I, and other players paid 300 Multibucks for, with only the thumb recolored. Like what...?

• New career cosmetics are just recolors of existing career cosmetics, while the colors look good without a doubt, there should've at the very least been something unique to strive grinding levels for.

• Vanish bomb getting the audio from the cloaking device shouldn't a thing, one of the gadget's biggest niches was being silent while cloaked for the short duration of about 5 seconds. Now actually trying to be stealthy in those 5 seconds is a death sentence, and dare you vanish bomb your teammates who'll end up making more noise than a DJ. I hope this wasn't intentional.

• General performance issues (My own experience). My frames had been suffering a ton since the update, from an understandable 45 - 60 to barely hitting 40. Even my first 15 minutes on the new update ended up in my game crashing. And as a result of the low and inconsistent framerate the sensitivity feels even more sluggish which I'm not sure what causes that exactly. I used to be able full 360 degrees with ease, now I can hardly look around properly.

• While recon wasn't "overhauled" the nerf is kind of fine? I've been seeing less and less recons in casual and that's a good sign.

• Lastly, it's unfortunate that this update didn't do much to switch up the meta. It will always be dominated by two Mediums, one with heal beam and the other running recon (not as) alongside a heavy doing nothing but spamming nukes. Hope that changes in the next season.

These are my personal thoughts regarding the update. I am not hating on the game or anything. This is the feedback channel, after all.

[acoustic portal]

Add more various gamemodes with various rules, just like Overwatch 2''s arcade mode please

[topaz granite]

Solo bank it is garbage. Playing against a bunch of people that just camp the cash outs is boring af. Put optical lasers in to stop all the damn campers

[crude tree]

Alot of weapons in THE FINALS have railings which would indicate the possibility of having some attachments on your weapons, would it be possible for THE FINALS to have some level of weapon attachment customisation purchasable using VRs in the game? This would help balance weapons such as the SCAR and SMG. Because those are the only two weapons in the game that have sights on them beyond just iron sights, and it would greatly improve weapons such as the Heavy's LMG, or the Grenade Launcher. Adding attachments would add another layer of play style specialisation and adaptability for people who're otherwise forced to use say, the Lewis Gun because its always consistantly better than the default LMG.

[sonic spoke]

Sure. 3 kills at full health with fcar in 1 magazine.
Sniping with uzi from 5 roof tops away.
Lewis gun kills in under half a second from full health

[stone crown]

Love the new bracket design in ranked tourneys 🙂 well done

[frail prawn]

Gamemode could have been more interesting, like an event always active or something, imagine meteors without stop or something like that

I have no problem with the cosmetics tbh

Yeah... not a fan of the vanish bomb nerf, why does it gets an more extreme rework than Recon? lmao

Recon change is not that good but at least its way better than nothing I guess.... I hope for a real rework

@teal mauve they should have made xp to stop when you reach the top to prevent this lmao, probably a bug

[quick coyote]

Again here to say, Rework Recon into Bloodhound inspired Pulse or Get rid of it and put Defib as a specialization. When one Class has Instant Res as a tool as well as all movement tech Zip / jump obviously it would be the most saturated class in the game. I'm a medium main so I get it, it's fun, but it's not balanced

[dim schooner]

Idk what they did to my frames game runs like shit

[teal mauve]

there is zero point adding more career levels to encourage people to play again if xp is going to backfill, currently have enough xp for 40 more career levels... where is the incentive to play?

[vernal girder]

I don't know why anybody is crying about nukes when they literally just drop at your feet a third of the time starting last patch. silent nerf

[topaz granite]

Not if u use the red containers

[quick coyote]

Clearly the people you’re up against have a slow reaction time since the meds and heavies I sneak up on are able to 180/270 and kill me before I can get through an entire clip and track me through my dash or invis nade, regardless of the situation unless I’m hitting all headshots or running after shooting 4 bullets (which even then they’ll likely just chase and kill me) I’m just gonna die because their weapons are superior for no goddamn reason, how is it fair for a class with more health and likely has another teammate with them to have a more efficient weapon, having a high dps and high efficiency weapon on a light would make more sense because of their high risk high reward rather than the class that hides with their heavy or medium teammates to shred anybody not being healed

[tough zealot]

The only problem I have with the game is just the general performance and that it crashes with such an impact, that my whole pc lags out and I have to restart my system
Other than that it's a new and fun FPS that dares something new :D

[quick coyote]

You know what, I’m actually thinking that light shouldn’t be an assassin but the dps of the party. Here’s my reasoning, the only actually “assassin” specialization is cloak, the problem is that a lot of time even when the enemy doesn’t predict it, you can only assassinate other lights, the mediums and heavies if played correctly can out damage you and kill you faster than you can kill them. Also, if the class is made for assassination than what’s the point of dash and grapple? Yeah of course you can make a point saying that grapple is used together with sniper, but that’s it? Even though light is super squishy the only slight advantage that it has is that it’s fast, but the speed doesn’t really help you in a fight, you can just either run away faster or go from the vault to the cashout faster. My proposal is to decrease the ttk on lights weapons or (which is a better idea) increase the ttk on other classes (leaving the light weapons as they are). Also make light start regenerating faster.I understand that this is an incredibly controversial idea since for it to happen almost all the weapons of medium and heavy classes would need to be nerfed. Gimme your opinions and be as harsh as you wanna. Also imma go sleep and read your thoughts tomorrow. Cya

[violet vigil]

Vanish bomb nerf is major and its not even listed in the patch notes

[foggy ginkgo]

Disconnected from a rank game goodjob embark very goodjob @pearl kiln

[opaque patio]

i wonder how many devs have this server muted

[teal mauve]

all of them hopefully

[quick coyote]

Ngl you’re totally right and the only reason people say it’s an assassin class is because it’s small and they want it to stay weak, and it’s honestly pretty shit as an assassin class its ttk is too slow for run n gun to actually work since heavies and mediums could easily pull it off with less punishment, and it’s hilarious that the people that argue against buffs can’t even decided if its an assassin or if it plays with the team or if it takes 1v1’s or not, they just drop their “rank” which they could’ve easily been carried to and ignore whatever you said whether it’s factual or not, when in reality lights are weak and don’t properly do what they’re supposed to do and when they do what they’re supposed to do everyone whines and gets it needed immediately like they aren’t broken themselves (also wtf is the chat cooldown being 30 minutes, I’ve got so many ideas and so many people to refute and I have to wait 30 minutes between each text😭 I get wanting to avoid spam but damn)

[keen path]

this patch is pretty much a login bonus. after 2 games and i have all of the new cosmetics except one and for some reason im already level 50. why is it 3 kills with charge and slam not 30?

[rain gust]

The only thing that I’d say is a bit grindy is the 12-round challenge.

[daring fossil]

please separate makeup/facepaint from tattoos so I can wear both. I was going to buy the new sleeve tattoo but I'd rather have my face paint.

also, bank it is really fucking dumb, please don't force me to play bank-it in any form. especially all heavies. I can't even stand one round of this shit, let alone 12

[twilit leaf]

Please disable recon until you come up with an actual rework for it

[stone crown]

You're either lying your ass off or cheating your ass off...either way, you're without an ass and look pretty silly gg

[thin fulcrum]

I don’t mind the easy free rewards tbh

[keen path]

thanks for the ego boost, its really not hard. if youre talking about xp, it backfills. everyone whos played a decent amount got lvl 50 insta

[valid night]

buff LH1 damage by 1 or lower it's visual recoil.

[teal mauve]

erm

[vernal girder]

"Most people" don't know what they're doing then. Crucial killing move for heavies in standard gameplay

[steep patio]

#1: Light takes 4 bullets to kill with an FCAR (WITH HEADSHOTS). That adds to 12 bullets for 3 light kills. It's 7 bullets per medium (WITH HEADSHOTS) which makes 21 bullets. One melee and that's THREE medium kills with one mag.

Also hackers can't edit damage numbers.

#2: You can shoot at someone with a gun from far away. Maybe he got lucky with his spread.

#3: Lewis gun literally does kill in around 0.5 seconds. For lights it's 0.6 (WITHOUT HEADSHOTS) It may have seemed like 0.5 seconds to you, but it was probably around 1 second (WITHOUT HEADSHOTS)

There are way too many people screaming hackusations too many times. I have run into ONE legitimate hacker on my team. ONE. Out of my 133+ hours I've run into ONE. I think you guys see a good player and just immediately assume he's cheating.

I used to play a competitive shooter with scrims and tourneys every day. So when I played casual people accused me of hacking all the time. Stop assuming someone is hacking because they are doing good. I've seen people in this server say "If you have over 30 kills in quick play you are a hacker or using modpacks.".

You guys seriously need to just accept that 95% of the people that kick your ass are doing just that.

[daring fossil]

nope, go check #1201841543926005810 I opened a thread. I played 1 round of the new event and went from level 40 to level 50 plus finished half the event contracts.

[warped swan]

Please let us climb to the top of broken ladders

[quartz girder]

melee only game mode sounds fun

[proud ocean]

Fix CROSSPLAY OFF not working on console. Thanks!

[sudden tangle]

Meta bad, balance bad.

[dry kiln]

not alll the time bro.

[subtle oak]

The Recon Sense rework is sort of good but it is still too strong, having wallhacks up to 30m is too much. I feel like 20m would already be strong enough.

Is the community happy with this ‘rework’? Because I think its still way too strong and should be changed in some way.

[earnest sierra]

yeah the the change happened to the vanish bomb is actually a huge nerf to it i'm not gonna use it after it was my favourite gadget

[cunning cedar]

Love to see you guys implemented gyro aiming, but please add the following settings

• gyro disable / re-center button
• flick stick
• player space gyro orientation

[steep pendant]

Make stun gun deal 1 damage so it can give assists

[stone crown]

You can't tell me what to do. You're not my court-appointed therapist

[timber sage]

my only issue is that this is struggling to replace cod as a deathmatch shooter and people are going back to Apex BR

[abstract elbow]

since new patch I am getting crashes a lot... I have a 3080 FE

LowLevelFatalError [File:.\Runtime/D3D12RHI/Private/D3D12Util.cpp] [Line: 898]
pResource->Map(Subresource, pReadRange, reinterpret_cast<void**>(&pData)) failed
at Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private/D3D12RHIPrivate.h:1387
with error DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED with Reason: DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_HUNG

MISSING_ANGELSCRIPT_CALLSTACK

KERNELBASE
Discovery

[dry kiln]

Malawarebytes program is conflicting with game in a very odd way

[quick coyote]

allow solo bank it to be joined in a party but youre against each other so you can still play with ur friends

[sand sable]

PS5 crossplay broken again, i get in crossplay lobbies but i have it turned off

[stone crown]

Error code means GPU stopped responding. Update your GPU drivers. Make sure the GPU isn't overheating. Run DirectX Diagnostics tool. Windows update.

[lean zenith]

the game is sooo good

[stoic cosmos]

New lag spikes appear after patch

New fps drops introduced after patch

Nukes still broken af

Steal the spotlight is awful

🥲🙌🏼

[abstract elbow]

GPU temps are good, tried newest drivers, still got issue, rolled drivers back, still got the issue.. blah everything is up to date for windows as wel

[quick coyote]

for tourney screens the floor should fall out from under the teams when they get knocked out instead of a black bar

[earnest ermine]

It would be cool if we could set our own team colours instead of being always blue. Obviously this would only be client side to avoid teams having the same colour

[ebon elbow]

Mnk support for consoles next update pls

[plain acorn]

I am saying it and will only say it once, and I bet most people here have said it already; REMOVE THE C4
People still are able to utilize the broken "Nuke" which is too broken, every game I've encounted at least 3+ heavy's who utilize this and it's not fun to play

I suggest completely removing the equipment or at least work around some way for C4 to not apply on canisters

[loud mauve]

Scar is still doing 26 DMG.

[opaque patio]

avoid as teammate button

[sand sable]

Fix the stupid matchmaking in both quick cash and ranked

[rocky remnant]

Change cloaking so it has two uses, cancelling mid use will use up the entire charge

[short sedge]

@feral osprey @wheat fractal hello quick couple quality of life suggestions/feedback.

• Lower required amount of payers for ranked games (cant find a ranked game in oce forceed to play on asians servers where i lag) (maybe make ranked like normal tournament)

• Add latency/fps indicator

• Players should be able to view other players profiles and rank (so we can tell if someone is hacking or just genuinley good at the game)

• Add in game text chat so players who arent partied together can communicate to perhaps talk in game chat

• Improve the visuals on gas AND stop it from going through walls/floors (or jus remove it all together lol)

• PROMOTE THE GAME, GET MORE PLAYERS TO PLAY. THE GAME IS SLOWLY DYING. START EVENTS (like clash tournys in League Of Legends) this will give more insentive for competitiveness aswell as improved publicity for the game

• Introduce ticks on cashouts in perhaps 3rds or quarters (this wil help stop 3 teams being on 1 cahsout while 1 other team gets a freee cahout without fighting at all)

• Add overtime stealing for cashouts (rewards players for wiping teams last second and stealing in overtime)

Hope the feedback and suggestions are atleast read and taken into consideration. ❤️

[stoic cosmos]

Chat option is really unnecessary, 99% of the conversation will be just toxic as you don't really have time to actually write in mid game, and I'm sorry it's 2024 If you don't own a mic, don't play ranked.

[earnest ermine]

So by your logic toxicity over voice chat is fine but it's simply too much to handle in text form?

Also people use comms in quick play as well y'know

[deft moth]

Bad take, C4 is vital for creating walls and ocasionally just throw em at enemies that are in a defensive position

removing C4 because of nukes is a really bad mentality, look for removing nukes without changing C4 itself

[native acorn]

make weight of 1 c4 too heavy to throw a canister if it’s that bad

[plain acorn]

at least work around some way for C4 to not apply on canisters

I get that part, hence why I added a counter-solution to it

[quick coyote]

nerf heavy auto shotgun again

[short sedge]

its not that i dont have a mic. its if im playing with a random and i need a way to tell them to join vc. otherwise if they dont i cant communicate besides pings. also wdym theres no time to talk in game. when u die u legit have between 25-50 seconds to type. anyway point being. if i or someone else is playing with a random i should be able to type in chat to say "hey join vc for coms" . (side note. WHY IS THE FEEDBACK CHANNEL 10 MINUTE COOLDOWN, BUT GENERAL IS LIKE A MINUTE LMAO.

[worldly igloo]

VRs useless after you purchase everything.
Solution: Once all items are purchased, allow people to buy a 10,000 VR capacity for the price of 3000 VRs then have cosmetics that cost VRs or multibucks. Alternatively, Have a VR to multibucks conversion. It could be really small as to not inflate multibucks and ruin your funding. For example, 1000 VRs = 15 multibucks.

[quick coyote]

Sup just joined

[surreal ore]

nerf heavy shield,c4,nukes,shotgun

[stoic cosmos]

When you click 'K' it shows on screen that "Waltuh Has Joined The Voice Chat" if they choose to not join after they see that message that means
they just don't want to communicate.

[void scarab]

The "heavy backwards legs" problem has not been fixed yet. what's the best way to report this? I assume that reddit is not the right place

[short sedge]

LMAOOOO HOW THEY CLAIMING THEY FIXED IT. I kind of love how goofy it is tho

[ripe relic]

Make a skin for the heavy sledge hammer that is just a large wok

[cerulean skiff]

Make a new alternate heavy class that's an alien with backwards joints.

Come on Embark, I dare you

[dim creek]

I just wish they'd expand basic customization.paying real money for digital clothing you could buy in a Walmart is stupid

[abstract elbow]

<@&1012034066876473384> If someone disconnects the last round of a tournament, do they get at least 2nd place worth of Fame? We won but our 3rd did not get any Fame he says. Surely, if 2nd place is the absolute lowest position you can get in the final round, that should be gauranteed? (This was well within the reconnect timeframe too)

[sand sable]

PS5 crossplay broken again, i get in crossplay lobbies but i have it turned off

[nimble steppe]

Plz talk about mnk on console
So in the recent update they removed mnk support from XBOX and they knew there a lot people asking for mnk on console. They don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard while we playing with/against pc players?!!

And the game on pc support both inputs without any problems at all why they following DICE steps when they don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard for console while we play in PC lobby??!!
Look at the other games like call of duty and Fortnite and even Roblox it supports mouse and keyboard on console without any problems. This so stupid and makes me so frustrated. 🤬
When I play with mouse and keyboard on the console the game automatically turn off the aim assist when I written and a play with the controller again the aim assist is back automatically so when the divs nerve the aim assist on console a players they delete the mouse and keyboard on the on the consoles because the aim assist is not like before so this is the devs
problem not mien ?

TALK ABOUT IT PLZZZZZ😢
#WE_NAED_MNK_ON_CONSOLS_THE_FINALS

[quartz girder]

definitely some hackers on the leaderboard.. check top 10 and theres 5 that jumped up in the last few days.. with hardly enough cashouts

[quick coyote]

tourney teams not showing properly, showed my team as 1 light 2 mediums when we were running 3 mediums

[valid night]

why i keep getting TFAV1012?

[maiden frigate]

bruh this new update don't want me to play more than one game before getting an error and i have to restart game and loop continue

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here's some suggestions, I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:

• While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
• Lunge distance (90% of the fight become a chase you can't win, the other classes have ways to block enemies, slow them down or catch up to them, even heavies have RPG to finish people off if they use sledge)
• Increase damage from 84 to 90 (to kill heavies in 4 hits instead of 5)
• Add a charge like attack, to activate it press the attack button while blocking kinda like charge N slam, of course less powerful and without the destruction effect, it would add variety, also all the other melee weapons have two attacks)

IMPROVE MELEE TRACKING:

• Some weapons like the Dagger have an insane lock that is not needed, on the other hand the Riot Shield has a very weak lock, you can't even hit people in your face sometimes. Consider increasing the angle at which the lock works and reduce the lock strenght on the Dagger

FIX THE DAGGER BACKSTAB:

• Backstabs with the Dagger are the most incosistent thing I've ever seen, a lot times either nothing happens or it's not backstab even though you're right behind them and other times it is when you're literally in front of them.
• Increase the backstab hitboxes because the latency of the servers causes this problems
• Make it so you can hold the backstab and it's not a forced animation, revert it like it was in the Open Beta

NERF THE DEAD GO BOOM:

• This event is extremly unfair for melee users, you cannot avoid it if you get a kill
• Either increase the time before the explosion to at least 3 seconds OR make it so the explosions don't damage players but only the enviroment

[drifting glacier]

this game is just unplayable with nukes

[cold pilot]

as a heavy,

• can set up a gatling gun turret
• and should be allowed us to control it

[earnest ermine]

At that point just give the heavy a Minigun.

Comically high rate of fire, wide bullet spread, no ads, overheat instead of reload, decent level of recoil

[quick coyote]

hehe michael jackson headass

[subtle oak]

Im only getting mixed lobbies in the new event mode. Other modes are fine

[sand sable]

I get it in quick cash, 50/50

[quick coyote]

nerf fcar and lewis, also change recon to be more fair.

[quick coyote]

It is kind of fair now that you know you are being detected, to then play around the 30m limitation. Though the ability in it's core is pretty powerful it now has some counterplay, better than no counterplay at all.

[quick coyote]

Recon just got nerfed

[fiery crow]

Gimme gimmie

[quick rune]

good update,ty embark.(cashbox felt under map,noone can grab it)

[quick coyote]

Its not fair at all, it updates in realtime and 30m cover most choke points/cashouts
it amazes me how the community is defending literal wallhacks in the game, which has no place in a objective/teamplay game like this. "play around" is such a bad joke, play around what my dude? you have info equivalent of going through 2 ap buildings in Monaco. no wonder this game is losing players, this community only cares about themselves and not the game. this is not healthy at all for the long run.

people clowning me for asking for fcar and lewis nerfs, but these two guns totally invalidades the others in the game. makes no sense that you can be destroyed at any range because of their dps, even bodyshots while if you are using any other weapon, you are obliged to headshot just to have a chance. that including the AKM which is already decent enough, an AKM LOSES to FCAR unless you headshot and even then, if the FCAR guy lands his headshots first, you are done. do i even have to point this out?

[cold pilot]

I'm very sorry, but you have been labeled as "disharmonious/only complaining, you can go play better games/shutup" by those recon fans 😢

[abstract elbow]

Just experienced nukes still doing 0 damage for some reason. Don't think its been fixed...

[pliant trail]

gg's embark was a fun time playing your game imma jump off before u make the game worse hope the game die fast so u realise u keep making big mistakes!!! players base status is 23k gj TEAM EMBARK #bestSBMMever

[dry kiln]

part of the game bro

[silver forge]

Probably for the best

[gritty garnet]

scotty, i dont think the vitural arena rendered correctly this time..

[sonic wigeon]

I get "Certificate check failed." when I try to launch the game.. How?

[cloud jungle]

BUFF MELEE
It's significantly weaker than guns.

Removing the end lag on swings should be a good enough buff

[quick rune]

Bro,recon is dead,wtf are u talking abt? The main reason ppl on high ranks used it to have proper info about map and which cash to contest,where teams fight and u can 3rd party it. But now it’s useless. 30m is nothing,if u have good aim this won’t help u by any significant mean. Medium now has 2/3 class abilities,stop crying. At this state there is no difference if recon exists or not. I main medium from the start and never gonna use that shit until it’s buffed or properly reworked Welcome to new healgun meta)
But scar and Lewis are strong that’s true. It’s like every heavy uses Same gun same build and every medium uses 1 gun only

[quick coyote]

dead what? i was playing yesterday and most games still had one or two per team lmao

[plain acorn]

Even if it is, a lot of people have already complained about it and many more will, I’ve just offered solutions to this problem and a hindsight of how broken it actually is, because it’s almost impossible to avoid getting killed by it. And yet no real impactful patch was made since the only thing Heavy uses now are explo-canisters, which never changed anything at all.

[pliant lion]

Chill out dude, I'm just sharing my view of it.

First of all, you're assuming there's at least two heavies in a team and second of all you're assuming they're actually actively communicating with each other. You'll have to admit that setting the stack size of the c4 to 1 will remove the one-shot capability of it in MOST scenarios. Most ranked teams are HMM anyway so there'd be only one c4 to play with. You'd still be able to make a nuke anyway with a mine but that way you have to skip the dome shield or the RPG, which most people aren't willing to do anyway.

You don't have to make it entirely impossible, just make it difficult enough for most people to stop abusing it, that's all. People nowadays mostly want to walk the path of least resistance anyway so I think it'll heavily cut down the amount of one-shot nukes flying around the map.

[tribal bramble]

I just don't understand why people have a problem with others running recon. If you say it is still so overpowered why are you just not selecting it yourself. Personally I don't have any issue playing against recon people. Especially now that it tells you someone is close. Just pop a sonar down and you know where he is too

[subtle canyon]

Since the last update I am very often "detected" by enemies as if a sonar grenade was near me. However, this is not apparent and it seems to be a new bug / hack?

[quick rune]

Bronze 4 opinion? Or that guys with recon were shooting better than u? Think about it,if someone have better aim that’s not recon fault it’s your fault. Chill out,download kovaak,abt recon this ability went from s tier to dogshit tier. No info on map and a little bit more dmg when u shoot 1v1 cause u can prefire but still most ppl on high ranks walks together and that little advantage in 1v1 situation won’t do u anything while with healgun for example u can push a bit,heal back and continue draining recourses out of enemy team. @quick coyote
Btw I’m not protecting recon at this state u can just remove it from the game. Cause it’s simply to weak

[quick coyote]

You are correct, and I think everyone can agree that wallhacks has no place in the game and in any fps in general and that recon is extremely bad for the game's longevity/health. But with how embark seems to approach the "overhaul" of recon, it's very likely to not be going anywhere, so we'll have to live with it unfortunately.

see, i don't really have issues taking down a recon. i used to notice them even before the update through the sound cue and two door hallways were often a good spot to get rid of them. my problem?

"i think people are focusing too much on the pvp aspect of recon which while can be frustrating
im more concerned about the spec during attacks/defends, it completely invalidates tactics, flanks, team positioning, hiding for a health regen/revive etc
its especially noticible when the team using it have proper comns."

[silver forge]

Yes Recon was nerfed pretty hard, but it’s still literal wall hacks. Considering most fights happen in close range over cash outs, 30m tends to be more than enough. The patch just happened so I believe we need to give it more time to see how it plays out in the coming days but it’s apparent that Recon is still a powerful pick

Edit: Responding to the message below. Nukes gotta go, I’m pretty sure anyone who cares about good game balance hates nukes because a cheap one shot mechanic shouldn’t be in a high TTK shooter. There’s a reason the majority of top players want it gone.

[plain acorn]

To add in top of this, it’ll be a shame for new players when they try this game out, only to realize the majority of the players uses “nukes” and makes the gameplay less enjoyable. Just look at how CSGO did with free to play, every new player instead had to deal with cheaters and exploits and that turned the dedicated playerbase down quite a lot, even if they have a pretty good playerbase right now.

What I’m saying is, if new people are going to discover this game only to face people who abuses equipment and abilities will only point them in a direction that they’ll stop playing this game. I have a lot of love for this game, and I believe this is at least one of the best FPS games that’s been released so far, and I know for a fact that Embark actually listens to what players feel and suggest, so I have no doubt if people keep complaining, that they will rework that somehow

[pliant rock]

optimization is getting crappier at every update

[dull pasture]

Anyone realize that they fucked up cross play again?? How do you manage to do that shit twice 😒

[golden iron]

I hate that the dust from falling buildings is just a one way for enemies. They can see you because of your name tag so they can still track you while I am confused on where they are shooting from

[velvet moth]

Hopefully they fix it by tomorrow with the patch.

[earnest sierra]

they literally said that they undid the 1.5.5 patch unintentionally and they gonna fix it can't you read?

[tribal bramble]

See this is something I can agree with more than people saying "recon is broken" or "remove recon completely". You can still easily kill recon people but it does make it way harder to attack teams that communicate. It can ruin an attack strategy but it's not impossible to play against like a lot of people are saying. I think the hate on it after the update is kind of overdone. I want to see people complaining actually use it and still say that it's way too strong.

That being said I do think there is changes that can be made to make the info part of not as strong that don't include changing the range. You could make it so that only moving target are seen or just lower the update rate of it to something more like the sonar grenades. Should any of this be done? I don't know honestly

[dull hemlock]

People have been pointing this out for a while now. It's part of what made the map wide aspect so strong. It's still strong as is just due to how much it dumbs down potential tactics.

[pure forum]

Hey embark.. First I wanna say I like your game. Your way making things without too much bugs is cool and that's why I bought the gamepass.. I just use one thing - I don't like the rest but I wanted to give you some money. But I can't give you more money.. The things look ugly (just for me - and it's OK I'm maybe just weired) but make some green things.. More green things! I want my weapon in green.. My healer should be green.. Maybe for the next season. Don't get me wrong.. I don't care but I can't give you more money. I never give a free game money! You're the first game.

Then I got a problem with the team colours.. Purple and pink look so similar in the heat of the fight. So maybe you can make the colour's

Purple or pink
Green
Orange

That would be cool.

And the thing with more colour's for the weapons maybe for the next season.. I mean playing more with the same weapon or gadget to get more different colour's.. Green, orange, purple and some more would be cool!

I think you know it but crossplay is off and I was in crossplay lobbys.. At first I reported someone for hacking because he was in my ps lobby.. I was confused so sorry for that (maybe) wrong call!

I like the new solo mode.. Just one class is cool and made some fun.. Maybe next week middle class.. And then the small class..

And maybe something to play as a duo would be also cool! Maybe with just one or two classes - > but that's your business! For now I like to change between cashout and solo!

I got around 150h! But I can't give you more money.. Plz I'm fu..... Old and need some decent clothes! 😄

[glad ginkgo]

Embark miss a golden opportunity with that claws and snarls bundle. It could had been an all melee skin bundle. Like some kind of dragon staff for the sledge. A dragon shaped shield and a decorative baton for riot shield. Plus a custom dragon hilt for the dagger. All black and gold. Miss that opportunity completely

[stray walrus]

solo bank it was much better then this shit. i will play it only to unlock the skins 😭

[frail ridge]

.

[brave quarry]

triple medium still runs the game - recon still just as busted as it was before, invis-stun-glitch is still the only viable option for light, dead go boom still makes melee builds unplayable...

[soft gorge]

Mouse and keyboard support on consoles and input based matchmaking on the next update, please!

[pale crane]

getting one shotted by a mine is not ok (playing light)

[queen rover]

https://steamcharts.com/app/2073850 Finalssisters I don't feel so good....

[hidden ferry]

use the power of your pixels and eyes

[warm mauve]

They should have made it pulse like sonars with 1 or 2 charges.

[stoic cosmos]

How should C4 work on carriables
C4 on carraibles should only work so the player detonates the barrels like grenades, no C4 damage should apply above the barrel damage (ie fire, gaz, explosion) therefor you have a good use for range damage with Heavy without it (C4) being OP AF.

[manic abyss]

They accidentally reverted part of 1.5.5

[earnest sierra]

explosive mine doesn't oneshot light wtf u talking abt? they have loud noise so you can hear them?

gas mine doesn't deal as much damage as explosive and you actually have time to run from the gas so really what you talking abt? @pale crane

[pale crane]

it was a toxic mine, maybe i get some gaz dmg also '(?)

[thin grail]

it's been a debate here about text chat but I think it should at least be there in the party lobby so if you invite someone and they don't join the vc, you can at least comm in the text chat.

[hybrid cliff]

text chat, proxy in-game voice chat, post game text chat, in-game text chat. open the gates for comms

[subtle canyon]

yeah uhm.. i dont know what the fuck happend.

Text translated from German to English:

I played a round of "rated tournament", won the first and second KO round. The loading screen for the third round was buggy and takes an extremely long time! When I joined the game, all teams were incomplete. After a few minutes could everyone join, but the game was already in full swing and both cashout stations were already activated.

After the game (I lost the KO round, my one teammate couldn't even rejoin, so there were only two of us in the team) After the game I received ~350,000 XP in the menu

LIKE WTF I instantly went from level 38 to level 50. The weapon I used and the whole setup also got a lot of XP, so I unlocked all skins.

I'm not sure what the hell just happened here, but I hope there won't be any negative consequences for me, since I can't influence whether there is a hacker in the lobby or not.

[chilly niche]

remove nukes pls thanks x

[tepid violet]

I don’t thinks so, it’s just XP. You didn't get anything that you actually had to pay for. I guess you good m8. Greetings from Niedersachsen 😁

[frank talon]

FIX YOUR GAME CRASHES, EITHER I CAN'T LAUNCH THE GAME OR WHEN I CAN IT CRASHES, I CAN'T FUCKING PLAY, IT IS THE ONLY GAME I HAVE CRASHES, FIX THIS, it is getting fucking annoying to wait for it to launch and when it finally launch it crashes 2 min later

[sinful gazelle]

Some quality of life features.

Improve to in-game voice chat along with adding Text Chat in game. And voice chat is turn on by default rather then disable by default. (Playernote: This would improve the communication in game between players to players playin the game. Right now voice chat is a little buggy from time to time)

Adding a Killcam that ofc you can skip in case or get interrupted (auto skip) when you get defibs or revives. (Playernote: I feel like a killcam would be a nice life feature as players can see how they got killed and such things. Would help determine a little part if the killer was a cheater or not. Not much tho)

In-game status on social. Adding idle when you’re in game but idle, adding the “playing game” when in a game, and a “Online” when they aren’t idle but just out from a game and is free. Also status showing that their party is full or not. Like 1/3 party, 2/3 party, 3/3 party. (Playernote: The players would lik this features as it makes the social taps a bit more yk, social.)

That is all I can think of as if this writing

[stray walrus]

mines dont one shot light if you are full hp unless there are 2 mines placed next to each other dont spread misinformation

[dusty plume]

Heavy is fair and balanced guys ☝️

[hallow kite]

amazing skill from heavy

[pale crane]

well maybe it was the case, my bad, Light is very thin so kinda anything hurts u

[abstract elbow]

are you joking? you have 58 hp and he runs at you with an RPG and you die... The first one I can see why you'd be mad, but try to play around nukes as best you can... People will adapt to it to some extent, for example, grenade launchers are annoying to go against, or shields... or shoot the nuke from far, etc... there ARE ways to mitigate the effectiveness. Just because you do zero things to mitigate it doesn't mean the clips show anything broken

[plain steeple]

i think dead go boom just ruins any build

[quick rune]

have no problem with that

[tepid violet]

R you dumb? He couldn’t even see if there was a heavy with a nuke he just dropped…what should he do at this point? A oneshot Combo where a player just have to press a button is broken af. A recon player tell the heavy where the enemy’s are and he oneshots them when they get around a corner or through a door…no skill required.

And for real which Dude say: I go Granade Launcher this round to Counter Nuke players…or I sit on a crane or a church and don’t push the objective cuz I don’t wanna get nuked from a noob. Literally no one ever.

[dusty moth]

I don’t understand the game gets more unbalanced every time an update is done.😂😂😂

[abstract elbow]

I think there should be more ways to play around / negate nukes

[modern wedge]

nuke parry lol

[quick rune]

while if flies to you,little light player jump on the barrel and uses defusing kit

[dusty moth]

Cross play glitch is still there can’t out of pc lobbies. Grenade launcher is stupidly OP. Still can’t find a ranked game. Light is still not useful. Dome shields are also stupid in the fact that you can shoot out of them but I as an apposition player can’t use it and can’t shoot out it but they can shoot into it. Nukes? Who cares about in game chat and all that BS just make the game playable. Everything viable. Or just make it so everyone just had a medium build with a grenade launcher, recon, turret and a defib…..

[hollow prawn]

Grenade launcher op is crazy bro has like 5 hours max on the game

[grizzled sphinx]

Can we please have an update where there is an option to turn off the "detected" thing, i now have it on my screen the whole time and its distracting as hell. If there are 2 people running recon its almost the entire time on my screen

[quick coyote]

i mean, the shield thing could be easily countered by the glitch granade
but people keep saying lights are useless k'
you can try using gas granades to force a move from them

[severe wave]

Nerf nukes pls its ruining the game.

[glacial mural]

One thing that pisses me off is how this game seemingly randomly spawns my team way too far from a running cashout. When that happens it's impossible to retaliate or defend in any way.

[warped swan]

Get good and use aps

[subtle oak]

Yeah maybe make the text smaller. It’s not optimised at the moment.

[livid trail]

APS works on thrown objects?

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here's some suggestions, I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:

• While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
• Lunge distance (90% of the fight become a chase you can't win, the other classes have ways to block enemies, slow them down or catch up to them, even heavies have RPG to finish people off if they use sledge)
• Increase damage from 84 to 90 (to kill heavies in 4 hits instead of 5)
• Add a charge like attack, to activate it press the attack button while blocking kinda like charge N slam, of course less powerful and without the destruction effect, it would add variety, also all the other melee weapons have two attacks)

IMPROVE MELEE TRACKING:

• Some weapons like the Dagger have an insane lock that is not needed, on the other hand the Riot Shield has a very weak lock, you can't even hit people in your face sometimes. Consider increasing the angle at which the lock works and reduce the lock strenght on the Dagger

FIX THE DAGGER BACKSTAB:

• Backstabs with the Dagger are the most incosistent thing I've ever seen, a lot times either nothing happens or it's not backstab even though you're right behind them and other times it is when you're literally in front of them.
• Increase the backstab hitboxes because the latency of the servers causes this problems
• Make it so you can hold the backstab and it's not a forced animation, revert it like it was in the Open Beta

NERF THE DEAD GO BOOM:

• This event is extremly unfair for melee users, you cannot avoid it if you get a kill
• Either increase the time before the explosion to at least 3 seconds OR make it so the explosions don't damage players but only the enviroment

[dire carbon]

Add a rubber bullets event where bullets do 1 damage

Keep nukes they’re great

Removing nukes will kill this game frfr

[shrewd egret]

remove nukes and its the best fps

[jovial scroll]

...

[tough raft]

yeah terrible when a rpg, an AOE explosion, finishes two people on low health. Truly, the most oppresive class in the game rn

[blissful quest]

Can you guys please give back the ability to climb onto roofs from windows? That is just such an insane change to me, it makes zero sense and ruins how fun the movement is being able to climb from window to window and chaining it all the way to the roof. Not to mention not being locked to only bounce padding up or going through the attic especially when cashout is there

[neon bloom]

Is there damage fall off on nukes? Me and a teammate have both been killed before and we weren’t even near each other. Far enough away that I would not have been able to reach with my heal gun.

[stiff ether]

ad custom UwU

[molten trail]

Make sledgehammer a util

[shadow gyro]

text chat

[silver forge]

Remove nukes

[upper citrus]

remove nukes and nerf recon

[dire carbon]

Reddit react me

Also add more range to nukes

[quick coyote]

you can climb windows you just cant go from the window to the roof anymore, they increased the gap

[hallow kite]

makes nukes more efficient and increase range for recon please also buff C4. 🙏🏼

[sick quail]

lol

[neon bloom]

Give nukes extreme fall off damage so you can survive if they don’t hit it perfectly.

[lost ruin]

Nice new updates keep it coming, can you add more skins on the lh1 please?

[silver forge]

Nope, remove them completely. Don’t allow C4 on explosive canisters.

[abstract elbow]

i think its more than just my knees that are backwards fr

[drowsy shell]

LTM Mode Idea:

Screech of Servitude

●2 teams of 5 players
●50% health
●Fast respawns
●Domination style objective

3 cashboxes around the map that you vie for control over.

[fallen fossil]

why? i don't use nukes, but i still think they're great. been killed by guns more than nukes.

[quick coyote]

Remove guns

[cold pilot]

trump stand

[dreamy latch]

put the steal the spotlight theme song on spotify please and thank you

[frosty obsidian]

custom games!! :3

[neon bloom]

The amount of time and resources needed to revive a downed player vs just having to heal them is a huge difference. Plus it would reduce the ability to one shot two or three players.

[gaunt thunder]

One shot that ez in a high ttk game shouldn’t be a thing

[upper citrus]

C4 should be allowed on all throwable and it shouldn’t weigh them down. BUT, it shouldn’t do ANY player damage when it’s on a throwable. This lets it be used for destruction only as it should be and gives a choice as to how you use C4

[silver forge]

Low skill one shot mechanics with little to no counter play don’t belong in a game with high TTK. C4 is strong because it’s a stationary explosive you have to place down preemptively and detonate at the right time, but when you can throw two charges on an already explosive canister essentially giving you a triple explosive projectile that you can throw at high speed and detonate at will, it completely breaks the balance of the equipment. It’s not fun to deal with, it’s not rewarding to use. It breaks the balance of the game, and should be removed.

[frail prawn]

Stop with "delete nukes", cmon I know that is broken but there are better ways to fix it than "delete", its clear than nukes are an mechanic of the game, it appears even on the trailers, do you all want a change for it?

then stop with the "delete nukes", nukes can be balanced if you take all the HP of the C4 so like mines, it explodes with 1 bullet, and that's it, its gonna be balanced since its the same danger for them than for us, if we shot first, he and all the dudes around him will die, that's the counterplay

Yall need to think better solutions than delete things you dont like, I dont like FCAR but I will not ask for delete it, just for a proper balance, same with Recon, that 2 are the most low skill equipment in the game but even with that, it should be reworked, not deleted

[fallen fossil]

i mean, it not being rewarding to use is debatable, seeing as you can secure kills with it. i understand that some people dislike that kind of thing, but i like how it's a creative way to go about getting kills. one thing i love about this game is that it rewards creativity. let people have their funny kills. this game is meant to be more on the chaotic side anyways.

[neon bloom]

Defib counters nukes though. Or at least it was more effective when you weren’t a paper bag upon being revived. Having more extreme fall off damage would get rid of the two and three kill nukes.

[opaque mural]

great rework to recon, embark. You kept the worst part about recon in favor of discarding its informational use. You must have said to yourselves "Yeah, the part about recon that we should keep is the medium being able to prefire people and peek like a wallhacker. In fact, let's reduce the range so that that's the only valid use of the ability".

[dusky yoke]

How's aim assist since the patch? Also, do you get AA on top of gyro aiming?

[fossil walrus]

AA gets disabled when moving with gyro

[sturdy mango]

from what i heard its like fortnite aim assist deactivation, when you set the gyro to only activate when zooming. Aim assist still initiates in hipfire mode then gets switched off temporarily when you're zooming. setting gyro be on at all times completely deactivates aim assist

[glacial salmon]

Dead game already, didn't even listen to community

[steel tinsel]

I think Recon should be modified opposite to what it has been. Make it work starting from 30/40m, this way you can commit your defense on a supposed advantage, but not affecting the main gunplay engagements with absolutely OP prefires

[timber sage]

Crosshairs: I'd like a thin bright solid outline where it's around a dark slightly transparent thicker crosshair. Essentially I'd like separate opacity options for them both.

[bleak delta]

having 2 lfg (1 casual 1 rank) is the worst idea since people still search in casual for rank becuase it is the original chat. having 1 chat and the user can specify if he want rank or casual was better and we were finding groups faster

[silver forge]

Unfortunately we’re coming from two standpoints. At the end of the day, The Finals is a competitive shooter and balance is a very important aspect towards that. Nukes do not have a place in the game because it’s low risk, high reward and completely breaks the balance of the game.

[honest raptor]

Give everyone shop items for free and remove all barrels and invisibility and heavy dash and medium heals and jump pads and ziplines get rid of it

[hallow kite]

give lights c4 and heavy breach charges

[vocal cave]

ah yes remove their main source of income from the game nice feedback 👍

[void horizon]

I disagree. While I don’t enjoy getting nuked and I don’t use them, we have to be careful about removing these tools. The more we hamstring the heavies ability to split of grouped teams and force enemies to take action, the more recon sense, camping invis, and guardian turrets start to control the meta. Good teamwork should allow for you to be defibbed rather quickly after a nuke

[south sedge]

Game is totally dead, making stupid updates, stupid buffs, keeping nukes which wipes the full team even if you don't have brain, turret just gets 50% of light's HP if you just peaked, good shit nerfing the recon, now we don't even know where will the nukes come from, playing blindling, both of them should be nerfed in the same update.

[smoky storm]

healing beam:healing doesn't stack.Healing is paused for 1/8-1/4 second if target takes bullet dmg. environmental/gas/fire dmg does not trigger cd. Prevent mercy syndrome

Remove/nerf Recon: #👂┇game-feedback message
nerf/rework defib:#👂┇game-feedback message

Glitch nade explodes on impact with shield, player, or equipment.otherwise regular fuse

db shotty rework:#👂┇game-feedback message

1.5-2x Dash range
2 charges of grapple hook

Gadget/C4 Nerf:#👂┇game-feedback message

Option for "sprint always enabled" / auto sprint, or sprint/sliding interaction reworked(Please see this video, where it is described in detail https://youtu.be/tdOKEgrwZHc). Currently movement is pretty good, but also a bit awkward from a control perspective due to how sprint and slide interact. It could be massively improved via updated controls.

option for dark flashbang

Please give alternate team colors, colors are hard to distinguish

Allow for separate Jump/Vault keybinds on MNK

Using scroll wheel for jump/vault causes inconsistency, please fix/address

built in performance and network indicators FPS, ping, packet loss

Input based matchmaking: #👂┇game-feedback message

In ranked mode, all teams start with 10k, instead of 0(more stakes when fighting early)

Option to disable TAA and all anti-aliasing(I beg!)

Visual Clarity and gunsight fix:#👂┇game-feedback message
#👂┇game-feedback message

ladders do not autoclimb,require pressing "use" key

event suggestions:#👂┇game-feedback message

[fallen fossil]

you said it wasn't rewarding to use at first, now you say it's low risk, high reward? either way, i don't think that getting rid of it is necessary to keep competitive balance. it can be reworked, but don't limit creativity. and this is coming from someone who plays comp seriously in a different game.

[last swift]

Just got put into an ongoing game and didn’t even get to play. I joined a team with 6k in bank it, the leading team had 38k. I joined during a team respawn and within the 15 seconds for the respawn the leading team won the game. Matchmaking gotta change it happens way too often that I join an ongoing game and lose as soon as I join.

[golden iron]

That’s quickplay so it doesn’t matter. It happens in overwatch as well. Just leave the match.

[subtle oak]

Will Recon Senses see a better nerf than the one it currently got? It’s still pretty overpowered

[austere fractal]

We need loss forgiveness for not having teammates or punish the ranked players less for getting lesser teammates (for example I’m plat almost diamond and I’m getting bronze and silver teammates who leave the game with 2 kills max) I’ve lost 300 fp from getting really bad teammates and also being one man short or having no teammates at all I just played a RANKED game alone and lost 115 points please for the love of god help solo que players it’s impossible for anyone to rank up in this game without 3 stacking and yes I have people who are normally on but still on those certain occasions we need better matchmaking and lost forgiveness for having an incomplete squad

[peak fiber]

will we ever get to see the ping?? its like one match its fine and next have to open the door thrice. and all we get is a speedometer sign(its almost always there)

[rustic tusk]

I'm really enjoying the new "Steal the Spotlight" mode. I would love to see this mode more and with different builds!

[grizzled wyvern]

Nerf turrets 🗣️🔥

[uneven prism]

add a update in which u can see the progress of mission in game

[sonic spoke]

Yeah ok 👍

[rose surge]

That would make it suck

[hard cove]

Pretty decent update ngl nice skins and a pretty interesting game mode that teaches people the basics of the heavy class allowing the use of weapons that other wise is locked for most people. Could use more of these modes

[glacial salmon]

game dead, didnt even do anything to recon, trash game

[south sedge]

Bro from infinite range to 30m is nothing? 😂
Recon is literally useless right now, it takes a lot of energy to be used, and it shows who is beside you only, but before you could see anyone in map, and where they come from, now you don't even cover the sides, but however, the game is dead.

[quick coyote]

Please remove "Detected" from recon. I can't stand that on my screen 24/7 playing ranked. It actually drives me nuts and obscures my peripherals.

[uneven prism]

give the ball of mini roulette
;-;

[quick rune]

Don’t waste ur time @south sedge I tried it explain several time to this stupid brain dead monkeys that recon is useless now,but they’re just mad because someone has better aim than them,so they blame recon instead of themselves. Copium excuse let’s say so here’s reply on my previous message abt it

[sour bane]

Yeah you're bad. Stay bad and mad. My guy admitting he needs wall hacks to get kills.

[livid heron]

I see this for a lot of charms in particular, I am career level 35, they haven't auto unlocked

@rapid moss I'm on a message cooldown so editing this, that makes sense, then it needs a different name than career level for clarity for sure

[peak fiber]

the only thing I have to complain about is make the "DETECTED" screen a bit less obscuring.

[rapid moss]

Because they're levels for the equipment they're tied too, not career level.

[bronze hemlock]

proper match making plz

[void radish]

why is my game crashing after the update

[oak pike]

Once again:
Give us a real stats page. I shouldn't need to check a 3rd party wiki to get damage numbers, rof, and damage drop off. An image that shows the reocil pattern would be a nice option to replace the accuracy bar. These bars are completely unintelligible and meaningless.
Give me hud opacity options. I shouldn't have my screen obscured so heavily by hud icons.

[quick coyote]

#game-announcements last update broke the game

[bronze pumice]

give us the option for hud icons to completely disappear when u ads too 🙏

[glacial salmon]

Doesnt matter. You can dictate enemy positions by footsteps and memorizing spawns.The most important information is when they are right around the corner and thats what the recon over exeeds in. The fact it gives live feed over walls, invisibilities, second highest uptime after invis (mentioning countering it too) with little to know counterplay is too much.

Every second counts in this game because we're all on a timer. I shouldnt have to do some waiting around for its cooldown and waste time. Might as well tell me to pause the game.

[stark notch]

region lock china now

[half rampart]

please change the "swap to" icon for guardian turret so that it is a tablet like all the other specialties (2nd picture)

[clear juniper]

Volpe immersion bundle buggy for anyone?

[south sedge]

I usually don't like to argue with stupids who doesn't even read before jumping on the topic, I literally all the time saying nerf recon and nukes, because both of them are OP, I was using the recon just to avoid the nukes, but I don't like BOTH of them, because they're giving BIG ADVANTAGE to win the fight, even if you're a bad player.

But they nerfed the recon and made it a useless ability, and they didn't get near the nukes, both of them were OP.

[chilly bay]

Delete the game while they’re at it right?

[idle timber]

Add keyboard and mouse support for console 🙏🏾

[honest raptor]

Nope id say just take all that out and also take out running through doors and punching them open get rid of that

[mystic sierra]

Charge'n'slam sometimes crashes AMD RDNA 2 cards for some reason. I got 3 crashes now a second after charge'n'slam lands, making the event unplayable

[oak kernel]

I think the new gamemode would be more fun if you simply removed the cashout element and instead kept any coins you nabbed - or the cashout part was changed a little. Idk, it feels like I have to kind of get lucky to win in some ways. It's hard to catch up at the end of a game too because everyone swaps to camping the cashouts. It's just kind of a weird setup. I enjoy the premise of the mode though and hope to see it refined more

[vale stirrup]

fix cheaters, make turrets have lower fire rate, custom game modes plz

[old haven]

Optimise this game please, I have a 3080 OC and i9 10th gen Oc and still crashes and lags.

[quick coyote]

So I’ve discovered that hit registration on some of the guns does not in fact work and even though the opponent is on in the center of the screen and has my iron sight on them as well they aren’t taking any fucking damage

[dusky portal]

We got console gyro console controls before mnk 🤦‍♂️

[quick coyote]

make heavy c4 like light breach charges where you only get one at a time and make the recharge timer longer

[lunar creek]

why am I getting suspended for 8 minutes because my game crashed? I even reconnected.

[jade void]

fix heavy please. it's really no fun anymore. i don't think the team even plays the game itself

[hallow kite]

make heavy 550hp please and buff nukes 🙏🏼

[drifting tiger]

yeah sux

[waxen forum]

Please fix gyro aim! It needs a camera recenter/ gyro disable button. It needs player space gyro as a option. as these are fundamental standard function features for gyro aiming. For gyro there needs to be a seperate slider for scoped multiplier. Right now, if you set your zoom multiplier it will change the multiplier of scoped. If you set it for scoped to feel right for you, it will change the feel of zoom. This needs to be fixed. Also, aim assist is still kicking in w/ gyro. Which is completely broken. Probably a bug like the other stuff I mentioned, but it still needs to be fixed asap. Even with "look effect" set to "gyro always on," the gyro will still randomly cut off and drop inputs for long periods of time. Please fix! Thank you.

[earnest ermine]

#👂┇game-feedback

[plucky veldt]

every weeks patch = MMM MMH MHH MHH
really this is big patch????????????????????
Let's be honest. just they want use esp and nuke.
they says : big patch.
but? Nothing has changed in three weeks. still bad.

patch Good? Rather, the number of players is decreasing.

The 350hp heavy's have excellent holding power, but it has tremendous firepower.
But what on earth does a 150hp light's have besides speed? Assassination? Shotguns were also taken away and the damage to the rest of the guns is disastrous.

light is just 150hp trash class

The rank is just full of medium and heavy.
Giving feedback to satisfy your greed will only speed up the end of the game.

[sharp stag]

Everything is good

[wind oxide]

really niche feedback, the cosmetics are absolutely stellar but the new twitch drop mask has one thing that bugs me:
the mask is designed to pivot on the head strap, but instead the entire model was rotated backward, making the strap fit uncomfortably on the player model. the strap should sit securely on the head with the mask rotated up, a detail that's painfully obvious with short hair cosmetics. thank you for your time :3

[soft gorge]

And there were more people asking for MKB than gyro. Sad.

[warm frost]

Hello, the finals official.
My name is Shen, I'm an international student studying in NY, and I'd like to use the following information to make some suggestions for this game, and I think it's very likely to save the current player loss. I refer to the video by Laofeiyu66, an streamer on the Chinese stream website called Bilibili (link to the original video: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1f6421g7xP/?spm_id_from=333.880.my_history.page.click), and I provided a translation for the streamer. ), I've provided a translation for the streamer, and I've added a small portion of my own thoughts, so I hope you'll take it as a reference.

Introduction: Laofeiyu66 is a fps specialized player and former OverWatch pro, now an streamer. He has played 443.4 hours since The Finals went live and has been a diamond every season. He is also now tf's top one streamer on Bilibili, he is strong and his plays are very imaginative and creative.

Why is the game dropping in popularity so fast?
The problem of cheating
Perspective headlock mouse macros are considered acceptable, and streamers are able to cope with them. But the cheating that automatically opens unlimited bullets and traverses shields is impossible to counter. Can't such obvious data anomalies just be kicked out of the server? If the technology can't do this, here are the streamer's suggestions:
First of all, many cheats appear in order to help the boss to score points (the behavior of smurf the game is very common in China, i.e., strong people or people who cheats team up with the clients to help them score points), and the bosses' purpose is also to punch the leaderboards or the reward of diamonds. So, the streamer thinks that people who team up with cheaters should be banned together to eliminate it from the root. Or, add a restriction in the ranking system, 10000 points difference is not allowed to team ranking (although this may affect some of the situation of teaming between friends, such as veterans with newbies, but at least can be with the elimination of bronze cheat players with rank platinum or diamond boss of the situation appeared).

Through this point we can extend another problem, ranking system

The ranking system ignores the ranking score gap between players, i.e. you may be ranked against opponents or teammates whose ranking score is much lower or higher than yours, and such a situation will make the game extremely unbalanced. A restriction can be added so that if a higher scoring player brings a lower scoring player in a team, if he loses, the higher scoring player will deduct extra points; if he wins, the points added will become less. The specific algorithm can refer to APEX.

Season is too long, reward mechanism does not have long-term attraction
Many players won't get any feedback from this game after they get on the diamond segment, or do the pass, or even reach level 40. It's understandable that this is the case for the first season, but if it's the same after that, it's just a matter of time before the game comes to an end. A game called Battle Teams 2 that the streamer likes to play failed this way. And, there are few, if any, rewards for ranking. At the end of a season, the only reward was a diamond skin for the v9s, yet the gun was nerfed and no one asked for it. This has made the streamer no longer look forward to the rewards of the new season as well. So how to solve it?
Increase the rankings above diamond, such as OverWatch top 500, CallofDuty's top250 is very good, effectively promote the sustained game length of high level players.
I will post rest 15min later

[stable lagoon]

Pls give facial hair options

[tame pivot]

Make nukes actual nukes, when someone uses one it blows up the entire map

[golden geyser]

We should be able to have face paint even if we are wearing body tattoos

[hallow kite]

make light have c4 and heavy have breach charges and you will see that the high reward of using nukes comed with a high risk.

[crisp notch]

create a way you can randomize what skins you get each game from a chosen selection like valorants favourite system

[modest dew]

So im gonna write out my opionions cause i need to let these out before i explode. I love this game, its design, gameplay, the little moments of a soundtrack, the guns, almost everything, and it really sucks that there aren't enough changes to make the game enjoyable anymore.

Guns that need desperate changes to make them eveen slightly balanced.
Dagger: why only do 320? just make it finish off a heavy, no reason for it not to.

Light sniper (dont remember the name): It needs to one shot headshot mediums at a range, leaving a medium at one health is really discouraging and not fun for either side. do not buff the damage, just the headshot damage multiplyer

Lewis gun: reduce the mmag or the damage, or both, it needs some sort of change cause its by far the best gun on heavy and its not even close.

Mines in general need to do less, have them fizzle out or something after a set time cause mine spamming with turrets and ADS is really boring

Nerf the shields, only way your can realistically break them is if its a 1v3 against the heavy holding the shield, thats it.

i know there is a skill ceiling when it comes to charge and slam, but doing up to 400 damage in one ability is a little much

completley remove the nuke, its not fun in anyway, and nerfing it only made it to where other heavys can't one shot eachother, that was it, you can still very easily one shot the other two classes, and just using a propane tank completley nullifies the nerfs that happened with it

Reduce the damage on the AKm a very tiny amount, i think it still does a bit much for its mag while competing with the FCAR, just an itty bitty baby bit

Nerf recon a bit, its literally walls.

[rapid moss]

Using my 15min CD to say reducing damage on the AKM is the most cooked suggestion I've ever seen.

[stable lagoon]

Give healing gun the ability to heal the user with alt-fire (right click), like pointing the healing beam to myself or sth

[inland wigeon]

What do you guys think of this?

1 - would be great to be able to see how many meters away our teammates are (just like we can see the distance to the vault or cashout stations) ✅

2 - I'd love to be able to see a few more things in my profile: how many vaults I've opened, cashouts started (and stolen), how many steals I've defended, and eliminations to deaths ratio. Total Distance covered (ever) would be amazing too🤩

[mystic sierra]

explosions deal more damage to yourself than to enemy? lol

[young drum]

facts. only viable thing on that list is the dagger. bro used the 1v3 situation as to why they should nerf shields. 1 have your teamates not die. 2 theres counters for damn near everything in the game. I think the only real thing lacking right now is no customs. customs with the ability to turn names off. will bring in more competition. money tourneys. more people playing. more people watching.

[weak escarp]

Nerf the damage of all of mediums weapons (Or just AKM and FCAR) The class already gets lots of value out of utility and I think that should be the focus. Also brings a bit more need for the light class if you want to do more damage.

• Medium player

[abstract elbow]

I think there should be a selection for badges to be on left or right. Why is everything on this side? Pets, crossbodies, badges, etc. It's all right here. It always clips through on this side too

[glass fjord]

Make light viable. Hasnt been viable since cb2. @upper citrus fr fr

[upper citrus]

tbh id argue cb1

[quartz girder]

petition to keep nukes the same

[signal root]

We require an FCAR nerf, it is far too strong and outshines the AKM and 357 even more now with the reduction in it’s max effective range.

It carries its damage way too far and for how easy it is to use, something needs to be toned down. I would suggest making it a little harder to use, make it a little more sluggish by making it harder to handle (equip and swap speeds, reload, recoil, etc.) and bring its overall effective range down

[modern wedge]

nuke is no skill

[tame pivot]

R E M O V E N U K E S

[sharp belfry]

give heavy the ability to hold one barrel in each hand

[shell lotus]

Why tf is there no lost stat prevention when people leave from ranked, this is BS🤬

[tame vector]

The SA1216 is legit impossible to use. The damage is way to low. At least up the damage that way it's somewhat usable

[past bloom]

Increase mag size reduce damage, increase mag size, increase hipfire accuracy. All of which by a small amount

[warm frost]

3. Balance issue
   The adjustments made to the Light stun gun, disorder grenade, and v9s have significantly affected the streamer's enjoyment of the game. Initially, the Light class could leverage its speed and agility to outmaneuver opponents(such as hook claw to the enemy in front, then use a stun gun and go around the back of the enemy to kill), but these changes have restricted them to stealthier tactics. Similarly, the nerfing of the Heavy's C4 and alterations to the q skill(yes, it was possible to take stuff while using ability before) have taken away some of the excitement previously experienced. While some in the community argue that these elements were overpowering, the streamer believes these changes are a misguided response to the skill gap between newer and veteran players. In the testing phase, for example, the effectiveness of the stun gun and C4 could be mitigated through strategic movements and tactics.(in the testing stage, the paralysis of the stun gun can be steered by moving the mouse vigorously, and the nuke of the c4 can be countered by not hugging or APS)
   The streamer highlights that these modifications have led to a game dominated by FCAR and Lewis machine gun encounters, which diminishes the distinct qualities that set "The Finals" apart from other FPS games. The 1.0 version nerfs to the v9s, stun gun, and disorder grenade, which were key in balancing the Heavy class, have disrupted this balance. This has resulted in predictable team compositions and weapon choices. (Before 1.5 version the rankings are two heavy one medium combo, lineups are basically fixed, guns are basically fixed, and these situations appear from the initial nerfing, the balance is disturbed. )
   Furthermore, the recent nerfs to the Heavy class(leading to 3 medium fixed comp in rank), while still effective(it’s still able to oneshot people and team wipe), have lessened the game's dynamic and thrilling aspects. The streamer emphasizes that the game's appeal lies in its innovative design, not in its simplification for newer players. He urges the designers to listen to player feedback but also maintain their vision for the game.
   The streamer also points out that the current game meta is overly rigid, leading to a homogenized gameplay experience. He questions the rationale behind offering a wide array of weapons, abilities, and character types if the gameplay is restricted. The idea behind "The Finals" is lauded as amazing and extraordinary, but the streamer notes that the diminishing player base is a consequence of prioritizing new players' preferences over maintaining the game's unique aspects.
   The streamer expresses his passion for the game and his desire not to see it decline. He suggests that narrowing the skill gap should involve more than just adjusting weapon strength; it should also include encouraging creative play styles and strategies.
   In a conversation with a game planner, the issue of weapon balance was discussed. The planner's solution to nerf strong weapons for balance is criticized, as it leads to a continuous cycle of replacing nerfed weapons, ultimately reducing the variety of viable gameplay options. The streamer proposes that instead of continual nerfs, enhancing other weapons could be a more effective strategy for balancing gameplay.
   The introduction of a new game mode where players vote on body types and weapons for each match is suggested as a more engaging alternative than the current mode. It could also be used for random events in the middle of the game. This approach could also better differentiate between ranked play and casual entertainment.
   In conclusion, the streamer urges the game developers to revisit their balancing strategies to preserve the thrill and diversity of "The Finals," ensuring its long-term success.
   Thank you for your attention to these concerns. Long live "The Finals"!

[prime wing]

Force the tutorial, literally the most important feedback that can be given, the amount of sit in a corner and not shoot the guy taking the objective is maddening... FORCE. THE. TUTORIAL.

[sonic spoke]

be careful clicking this they will get your google account if you are logged in.

[quick rune]

who care abt "the streamer"

[errant flame]

Who are they? Me or other people?

[honest thorn]

Give light 400hp

[severe wave]

nerf rocket launchers and nuke both are the most skilless things in finals

[cerulean skiff]

Rocket launcher is fine atm

[uncut finch]

AK texture model has a flaw, the barrel tip is cut off

[languid lotus]

When will you give us the stick skin for sword 😭

[glossy scaffold]

no audio when people steal?

[glass fjord]

9 DEATHS THAT GAME.... TO 9 NUKES

[scenic knoll]

Bat is pretty good

[hallow kite]

add more red throwable for more nukes.

[hollow gate]

feel forced to waste time in the random game mode that I dislike just for skins, ngl. makes me hate the time I spend in that game mode even more.

[ocean shore]

yall should add a butterfly knife skin for the dagger with some kind of sick inspect animation

[rapid moss]

Here's a pipe dream: Player Voice Types.

Like body types except each voice type would have a different tone and personality attached to it. Sarcastic, Confident, Aloof, Hyper, etc. Since voices are AI generated it might be difficult to get tone, but still. More customization and player expression is nice.

[hard cove]

Overall the game is pretty fun not an esport MLG type game so I won’t go in-depth with all the nerfs and buffs but I would like to see some tweaks to heavy’s shield and med heals
Heavy-
Their Shields both ability and gadget should be tweaked to not allow the team that possesses it to shoot through from inside and outside the shields
Medium
Their healing beam should have a .5 or 1 second delay to heal from taken damage.
Sonar should be tweaked with ping like the ones u have when u ping an enemy instead of outline same with recon
Other than that it’s pretty decent fun free to play game.

[heady lynx]

couple random bugs:

[winter zealot]

#removeturrets

[calm orbit]

SUGGESTION FOR play x number of game mode CONTRACTS GOING FORWARD:

I don't think it should be less games (12 is fine) but I think getting top 3 should count as 2 matches completed and winning should count as 3 matches completed

[pliant lion]

Thanks for the C4 nerf, it's been very effective. Second time in 2 days where I get 3 C4s worth of damage from 2 C4s

[grizzled wyvern]

Nerf turrets 🗣️🔥 no more 4th teammate with aim bot

[severe wave]

since the recon nerf turrets are insanely annoying

[lost owl]

Don't allow explosives to be planted on barrels and remove nukes from the game entirely. Nukes are still stupidly overpowered

[paper stream]

Nerf everyone in this server to 10 days slowmode. Only complainers here.

[errant flame]

Ok, I've deleted that one and reuploaded somewhere else.
https://justpaste.it/du05s

[jagged pike]

Add an option so I don't have to be paired with lights.

[rapid moss]

I don't think nukes should be removed, I just wish they didn't one shot. Having them do a massive chunk of damage is fine, but being one shot in any type of game is always frustrating to go against.

[hallow kite]

crybabies asking for nukes to be removed

[terse inlet]

Dagger animation is kinda borked, secondary ability will often have animation issues when performed while another animation is finishing and the attack with happen but the animation doesnt. Would be cool to see this fixed for those who like dagger

[desert flume]

Nah they’re fine, just need to nerf the damage a little

[night grove]

imo, in ranked modes especially, nukes need to be reworked / removed. I believe slightly buffing C4 damage whilst making it impossible to be put on moving objects will help the game so much. C4 will still be very viable as a breach charge, a defensive unit for cashouts, and can still be used in buildings when someone is chasing you as well. C4 will remain very viable, and willstill be a great defensive item for heavies to utilize. Nukes are very gimmicky, and if this game is going in the direction of Esports, they need to be removed asap.

[undone cobalt]

I love being 7m away from a throwable and being onetapped

[quartz girder]

bow and arrow for lights
crossbow for medium
siege pendullum for heavies

[orchid island]

I personally like the idea of just making carriable HP much lower, so when you shoot it it will just blow up in their face. It might give the nuke some much needed counter play. I don't think that this will solve the problem of just being nuked in a close quarter building though. Maybe they could reduce the explosion radius a bit?

[pliant lion]

It doesn't even make sense, max damage from 1 C4 is 154 right? Why does it do twice its intended damage sometimes? Is there some sort of headshot multiplier on C4?

In my screenshot I was playing as a heavy and I got insta killed through my mesh shield by the nuke.

[sour bane]

Not touching this game until you guys actually rework Recon instead of a bandaid nerf. Wall hacks had no place in an FPS game

DETECTED

[upper citrus]

my shocked face when feedback is given in the feedback channel

[weak escarp]

The stickers and stuff should say "Unlocked at charge 'n slam career level 3" or whatever instaid of just "Career level 3" or whatever

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[quick rune]

dude,i recently played with it and now main heal gun. it's so easy to play against it. what's u'r rank y crybaby? i've seen u crying here abt recon for several days already. 🤡

[celest tree]

procedural or semi-procedural maps

[flint pecan]

• Added the ability for players to customize their contestant Loadout for all Weapons, Gadgets, and Specializations during the match lobby at the start of each match in all game modes

This is such a good QoL change love how it doesn't mess with your set after the match too

[terse inlet]

I miss solo bank it. I feel like there should always be a normal solo play option for people that want to play some games and test some loadouts and not upset your team mates. The practice area can only do so much.

[patent cargo]

I'd love to be able to see other players ranks when in ranked tournament mode even if it's only on the end of round screen. We get to see our team mates ranks why not the other teams. Also would love some form of accuracy and headshot percentage stats on the scoreboard so we can see who's 100% accurate or always hitting headshots to weed out the incredible players vs the down right cheating ones.

[scenic knoll]

1. Let us get into practice mode with friends
2. Give sword a lunge skin like a trident or rapier. Hell a 2200 bundle fencing skin with fencing sword would be perfect.
3. So many more animal masks

None of my options would fix the games problems or make it more fun just entirely what I want :3

[undone cobalt]

The game clearly doesn't work as intended with nukes doing 0 dmg, rpgs not blowing up nukes but dealing dmg, nukes doing instakills at 10m distances, multiple hit reg moments both with and without hit markers when shooting an opponent directly (most likely due to desync), turrets killing through walls? And the list goes on

@elfin tendon nukes make basically no noise when being thrown from behind, above or even to the sides of you before you are within the 26 second spawn range. It shouldn't be able to onetap a whole team too seeing as heavies have rpgs to finish up or if I may say, incredibly good guns for finishing off low hp targets
On top of that nukes also kill people through walls now

[quasi jasper]

Pretty small suggestion, I’d like a menu music selector with the ability to choose the track. The Christmas music was actually a banger, and the new song slaps. That is all 🤙

[elfin tendon]

They should lower health on carriables significantly, that would make counterplay to nukes viable, while still keeping them in the game. Mechanically they are not that bad, since it is a tool for clearing out campers and a counter to healbeam and heavy abuse

[sinful gazelle]

More Quality of Life features

More Crosshair choices and the ability to turn off "Bloom" aka your crosshair moving saying what your bloom of your gun when hit firing. (Playernote: More crosshair choices would be very good, something like Valorant crosshair system where its very customizable, maybe the ability when you're watching your teammate and you go to their social tab and there is a option to "copy their crosshair". and also crosshair profiles so players can switch over to different crosshairs)

Add a social profile viewing. So people/team can view each other profiles and rank BUT not in a rank tournment game, just for now unrank and other games modes. Also a neat system would be Player Reputation, at the end of the game, you're allow to give your teammates a thump-up on their profile, and everyone can see how many thump up aka "Reputation" does a player has.

[nimble steppe]

Fix to error code TFCP0005 when trying to purchase Multibucks on Xbox

Bug

Been dealing with this error code since release and finally found the fix which is simple.

Buying Multibucks on the Microsoft store!

When purchasing on the Microsoft store, it will go through without any issue and when you launch the finals, you will be greeted with the Multibucks on your account.

Hope the devs fix this soon!

[torn wedge]

/gi.

[modern wedge]

please just add text chat man

[copper jolt]

CAN YALL FOLLOW MY NEW TWITCH IM JUST STARTING ID LOVE THE HELP LLETS GO TO THE TOP!! @ HotHamWater101

[harsh trail]

day 3️⃣6️⃣ of asking for a throwing knives overhaul to increase their viability

**THANK YOU EMBARK FOR IMPLEMENTING ONE OF THE REQUESTED CHANGES, BUT WE STILL HAVE MORE WORK TO DO.. **

the throwing knives deal great damage but the problem comes from the clunkiness of the projectiles and the inconsistency of their behavior.

some things that could be done to resolve this issue:

🔪 slightly reduce projectile drop off
🔪 slightly increase projectile speed
🔪 allow right click to be held
🔪 tweak animations to feel more impactful

please show some love to this weapon embark! see you all on day 37!

[delicate marlin]

it would be really nice if there was an option to make the cashout music volume louder. Sometimes I cant hear it over explosions and gunshots and people ninja steal it

[undone cobalt]

Make nukes actually make noise at a distance :) There's no reason a flying bomb with a 10m radius (glitched atm) should be able to do 450 dmg with 2 c4s (also glitched atm) and be silent, even the light knives are louder

[abstract elbow]

You are 100% right with the crazy inconsistencies with nukes and RPGs. Just today I nuked an opponent heavy holding a nuke, hurt him, but it did not explode. Then I used an RPG on him, hurting him again and his nuke still did not explode, only for him to then throw the nuke at me.

So many times I have thrown nukes and RPGs and nothing happens.

Even sometimes you go to C4 a canister and the C4 just disappears and goes on cooldown.

[quartz girder]

STOP PUTTING UNRANKED PLAYERS IN MY RANKED TEAM WHEN IM ALMOST PLAT, actually should be criminal embark

also when you RPG players close to you it just kills you and doesn't damage the other player, fix that

[upper citrus]

i think there is a bug where explosives can randomly do double damage. i’ve seen it with grenades and mines a few times

[quick rune]

@sour bane so the only thing u can do is cry and spam reactions? playing bronze 4 and crying abt recon users

[late fern]

I think recon needs another overhaul make it sonar basd like blood hounds ping in apex no reason it should last forever

[torn wedge]

..................

[lost fog]

Really think there needs to be faster health regen in the Steal the Spotlight event. Almost every fight I just get instant third partied at half health and have no chance of winning.

[untold haven]

it should just have lifesteal

[nimble steppe]

Fix to error code TFCP0005 when trying to purchase Multibucks on Xbox
Bug
Been dealing with this error code since release and finally found the fix which is simple.

Buying Multibucks on the Microsoft store!

When purchasing on the Microsoft store, it will go through without any issue and when you launch the finals, you will be greeted with the Multibucks on your account.

Hope the devs fix this soon!

[sour bane]

Rework Recon

[valid bolt]

remove nuke from the game plz it's a shooter not a throwing stuff simulator

[velvet moth]

Throwing knives? Also, we got daggers and swords, riot shield, hammer.

[tepid violet]

Change Nuke damage to 240. We know some of you guys made the old battlefield games but it’s different in TheFinals. 3 Heavys constantly throwing Nukes has nothing to do with Skill. I lost 2 ranked finals today cuz of that. I couldn’t even shot their C4 from Highground cuz we were on Las Vegas.

And STFU @quartz girder

[lost fog]

Battlefield had tanks, jets, and battlefield 1 had event vehicles like blimps which were bullshit (by design because they were cool af). If you removed every cool interaction, the game would just be another shooter. Be salty all you want, you're wrong.

[tame pivot]

The idea that the finals without one shotting nukes would be ''just another shooter'' is complete nonsense

[loud night]

my feedback is dont make it possible to get put into a ranked game with no teammates plsty eggbless

[late fern]

My only issue with this game is just recon sense, even with the nerf its still in every lobby i am in

[quartz girder]

wahhh i died to something nerf it wahhh

[rare maple]

Ya'll should bring back the floor is lava again

[wary sapphire]

Remove c4 nukes or the game will die

[stoic vine]

WTF is it so laggy for

[vernal girder]

Did the hotfix for the accidental FCAR "nerf" revert get deployed yet? Ranked is crowded af with mediums as always

[foggy ginkgo]

This a thing?

[glossy scaffold]

nerf the auto shotgun

[rich fox]

feel like a buff to smoke bombs / canisters would be cool.

[visual bone]

Can you do something about hackers? Report RD_PLUSHKAHDD That would be great good idea with edits @late pond . Anyways, he got that crazy 180° turn clip on perfect aim. Man I enjoyed that match soo much. Soooo where can I write a ticket ?

[late pond]

Hey Finals & Embark. The new tournament screen is really meh and looks way too unfinished. And frames are dropping like flies. 😦

[undone cobalt]

I just started playing heavy after being one tapped nuke after nuke third party after third party and it literally requires no skill and has an insane range, the fact that I'm able to one tap two people more than 5m apart from each other just sounds even more balanced when you realise if you run double heavy you can double rpg anyone and nuke whatever doesn't die :) if they have aps it takes a literal second

[lost fog]

It's almost like I said "If you removed every cool interaction, the game would just be another shooter."

You have to minimize what I said because otherwise I'm right. These "remove this, remove that" arguments always leads to remove more and more. Until nothing fun or interesting is in the game.
Nerfing is the correct thing to do in these instances, not removing things.

[tame pivot]

The idea that nukes are the single ''cool interaction'' making the final unique is simply dumb. And you don't have have to remove them just make them not OS which keeps them in the game without being a crutch

[native acorn]

Idea from community: Make it so that enemy gear affected by glitch grenades can be destroyed without exploding or being set off. eg, glitch a gas mine, shoot it, no gas.

[royal fractal]

Dagger is still bugged, it doesnt display crits when hitting a backstab succesfully.

[loud night]

saying that nukes are an interaction is funny, the problem is how non-interactive they are

[leaden whale]

Just Got abandon penalty after match wouldnt let me connect. both my teammates were in match without issue. is this a known issue, and if so any fixes?

[tough kiln]

My friends and I have had this happen a couple times too. Not sure how "aware" Embark is to the problem but it's not just you.

[cunning anvil]

I already completed the fifth contract for the event, but the Spotlighter Garb is still locked in the Contestants Style menu: https://ibb.co/wJvNT53
I have tried getting more Charge 'N' Slam kills, but it remains locked. Is anyone else having this issue? What should I do?

[gleaming tide]

Hey. Here's how we balance medium.

Take defib. Make it a specialization.

Take recon, and throw it in the garbage.

Congratulations, you now have balanced medium and made them gadget dependent like every other class.

[tepid violet]

3 Heavys. Final Match. They cleared 2 of us with 3 Nukes and chased the last one. When we respawned they already had nukes ready. And when we didn’t die after 3 nukes they just used 1 C4. They didn’t really shoot their weapons once the full game. I can understand when it does 240 damage that’s also strong. And no u don’t need timing. You see an enemy and you press 2 buttons and their dead.

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[thin rover]

Would be cool if you lose less FP if one of your teammates leaves or doesn’t even connect at all

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here's some suggestions, I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:

• While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
• Lunge distance (90% of the fight become a chase you can't win, the other classes have ways to block enemies, slow them down or catch up to them, even heavies have RPG to finish people off if they use sledge)
• Increase damage from 84 to 90 (to kill heavies in 4 hits instead of 5)
• Add a charge like attack, to activate it press the attack button while blocking kinda like charge N slam, of course less powerful and without the destruction effect, it would add variety, also all the other melee weapons have two attacks)

IMPROVE MELEE TRACKING:

• Some weapons like the Dagger have an insane lock that is not needed, on the other hand the Riot Shield has a very weak lock, you can't even hit people in your face sometimes. Consider increasing the angle at which the lock works and reduce the lock strenght on the Dagger

FIX THE DAGGER BACKSTAB:

• Backstabs with the Dagger are the most incosistent thing I've ever seen, a lot times either nothing happens or it's not backstab even though you're right behind them and other times it is when you're literally in front of them.
• Increase the backstab hitboxes because the latency of the servers causes this problems
• Make it so you can hold the backstab and it's not a forced animation, revert it like it was in the Open Beta

NERF THE DEAD GO BOOM:

• This event is extremly unfair for melee users, you cannot avoid it if you get a kill
• Either increase the time before the explosion to at least 3 seconds OR make it so the explosions don't damage players but only the enviroment

[lilac smelt]

Maybe it's because it's a popular game with lots of people playing, but I've never seen so many whiners crying about every aspect of this game. If they nerf all that people complain about, no one will get kills, and all encounters will be replaced with pillow fights. My only complaint about the game is lack of a solo mode (like they had up until yesterday).

[vernal girder]

Yeah, still too many mediums in ranked. All this crying about nukes is absurd when there are 8+ mediums in every ranked lobby. If the nuke was as OP as the babies are saying then it'd be 8+ heavies.

Instead its just turrets, defib, recon, aps... all with FCAR ACOG to go with it and it's boring af to play against. Unhealthy meta.

[foggy ginkgo]

Yeahhh @pearl kiln somehow a lot of stuff has been reverted back to 1.5.0. Patch im pretty sure it: was completely unintentional but can we not wait a whole week to fix this🥺

[swift siren]

Hi folks, I have been playing a ton of this game so far and generally haven't had issues. The biggest things that I personally have noticed and been affected by are graphics performance. During the open beta, I only needed to set things to low to get decent performance, however with the full release and most notably the 1.6.0 patch, I have had more issues with decent performance. With 1.6.0, I have been experiencing more visual stuttering, despite not changing any of my settings, or settings on my computer. I've noticed it particularly because I've been getting slightly motion sick playing the game in the last two days. Anyways, thanks for a great game and thanks for all the work you've been putting in!

[upper citrus]

if you unironically think that the defensive class should have access to the strongest offensive tool in the game, you need to stop giving balance suggestions

[karmic moss]

Nerf nuke or even delete it from the game. Thanks.

[vernal rock]

sniper buff coming when?

[tame pivot]

brother c4 takes a single slot

[smoky storm]

Dodging 3 nukes and 3 rpgs is not something you're going to do regularly lmfao it would require the enemy HHH team to play so phenomenally fucking bad. Complete clown take.

[wind frost]

the skill it takes to outplay completely is disproportional to the skill it takes to use

[tepid violet]

Maybe I wrote it wrong. In the early Bf games you could place C4 on small vehicles to nuke enemy’s. That’s the same thing they did here. My problem is the damage. Oneshotting everyone is not a fun thing.

@neon matrix you doesn’t need aim to throw them…you see a player and you throw that’s all. 240hp and I would say Ok..a lot of damage but ok

[boreal wagon]

I wouldnt even mind nukes if it was a massive cooldown or if it was way slower / way harder to land / super telegraphed. The issue for me with heavy is exactly that. Youre the DEFENSIVE class but you also have access to nukes, rpgs, lewis gun (second best gun in the game after fcar).

It just doesnt make sense for heavy to have access to the best burst AND the best sustain damage in the game when they already offer so much with their defensive utility.

Right now that class has no identity, it just does everything

[undone belfry]

Man embark what are you doing to the console Version of this game!!

Why can't I turn off crossplay, it always finds pc players, I gave up on hope for console only crossplay but atleast let me disable crossplay and find my xbox lobbys!

This game is going downhill on consoles so badly...

[foggy ginkgo]

Give lights c4 and give heavy breaches. idk specific damage numbers but be a lot easier to shit on a light with a nuke than a heavy who can throw it 1500 feet and takes a mac truck to kill😂

[earnest ermine]

The grenade launchers should have the ability to toggle an indicator for where the grenade will land.

[agile ivy]

Let us cap FPS in the main menu please

[untold haven]

it’s more like 15 feet

[velvet moth]

Agree if the rework recon like they said they would

[quick coyote]

i like that!

[umbral beacon]

LVL 300 WITH PRESTIGE (Free skins for the real grinders) . Change my mind!

[lost fog]

You have edited your original message like 3 times, just admit that you're complaining and can't argue without bias. Yes it should be nerfed, however nerfing it too much just removes the interaction almost all together

[devout path]

Remove/nerf the nukes. Im sick of getting onetapped by heavys running them.

[rare maple]

knives are bugged or something is going on. I hit players with them and the knives just explode like i hit them but they dont lose any health and i dont get a hit marker when i clearly hit them. It's not every time but its enough to ruin the experience.

[native acorn]

they should add the ability to catch nukes. Counterplay for nukes is to catch it and throw it back (😉)

[foggy ginkgo]

Impossible to work that way when u have a explosive you manually explode on it🤣

[golden iron]

Hot potato

[karmic moss]

Recon shouldn't exist in that type of games imo so for me it shouldn't exist or be completely reworked for something like "the ennemy you hit is highlighted for ... seconds"

[tepid violet]

I edited my comment one time to add a STFU to the guy who send the emotes. For you applied the same

[harsh trail]

throwing knives are incredibly inconsistent in the way that they behave, all we can do is keep posting about it my brother 🙏🔪

[grizzled sphinx]

Dont we love seeing "detected" on our screen for 50% of the game. If 2 enemies are running recon it distracts the shit outta you

[willow laurel]

I swear why the fuck am I paired with bronze flame throwers heavies 4 times in a row at platinum 2 ? is this ranked mode serious ?! 4 times !!!!!!!!!!!

[quick coyote]

I fully take back what I said about recon not being as common in casual anymore. Had at least 2 recons with FCARS and CLS every match tonight lol.

[lost fog]

Your original message had something to the effect of "they can constantly nuke", hence what @neon matrix responded with. You edited your message at least 2 times

[vast egret]

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[quick coyote]

yo i was wondering will older cosmetics have more interaction in terms of costumisation to make them just as good as the new skins? For example the flak vest (yellow) cant be really combined with other stuff compared to the new event one even tho they are very similar. same thing with helmets and face accessories

[teal marsh]

Please for the love of god reduce the range on the dead go boom explosion or delay it longer

[golden shoal]

Nerf the stupid medium grenade laucher.

[cunning anvil]

I think Dead Go Boom should make them ticking bombs with like a 3s timer

[lone swallow]

Hey guys, I completed the event contract (Steal the spothlight #3), but I was not given a Spotlighter pants , who has the same problem? 😿

[clever surge]

Constant silvers in diamond-plat matches. How in the fuck you want people to stay, when they need to play against experienced players??

[native acorn]

Bug: if you are on a moving platform, you can get trapped in goo and move completely through a goo wall if you aren’t moving because the apparently you dont move with the platform, or something?

[undone belfry]

Yeah this would be by far the best thing to do for console players... I hope they take it into Action

[midnight sierra]

this would unironically be so funny to see 💀 like imagine if we cant detonate a c4 canister if someones holding it, and them throwing it starts a small 0.5s cooldown or smth before we can attempt to detonate again. would be funny af if they did that but idk how practical itd be lol (or if itd even be possible to code in the game)

tho ngl i think there should be a distinct sound effect for when someone picks up/throws a canister with an explosive attached. im tired of getting sneak attacked silently by random c4 explosives, at least let me hear that someone threw one near me 😭

[severe wave]

Nerf nukes pls take 1 c4 away all heavies i know do tons of kills with it and always laugh how easy it is pls embark

[void horizon]

When I'm playing light, I'm rarely standing still long enough to be nuked

[pine gyro]

So i need a lil help, prior to 1.6 my fps gravitated around 90-100 the whole time. However after the patch its tanked to the low 40s constantly. This is making the game kinda unplayable and I dont really know what to do ive tried messing with the graphics settings a bunch with no result. You guys have any ideas?

[mint dome]

hey, spend some money ingame, is there a way to get my money back?

[jagged pike]

Just joined a game and I got met with "You placed third!". Bruh sort that shit out please. Don't wanna join a game as it ends

[sinful agate]

Being a solo player is a bit like being doomed to join almost finished games in quick cash. It would be nice to have a limit and get fresh games a bit more often ! Thanks !

[lilac smelt]

Bitch bitch bitch.... 90% of people bitching about something needing to be nerfed. Guns themselves are pea shooters as it is. Please don't nerf anything else, and force people to play the game w/o crying about EVERYTHING! My only gripe.... bring back a solo mode.

[rich fox]

yea i hate it...

[tepid violet]

@lost fog Can you read? It’s still in my message. I didn’t edit the text once lmao😂🤡

[hallow kite]

buff c4 and recon plz embark

[opaque patio]

it is a feedback channel

[woven briar]

Input match making so consoles can have back mouse and keyboard? Yeah, mayyyyybe?

[lost fog]

Discord really should add an edited: (number of edits), as you literally just added it back into your original message with another edit

[cunning anvil]

Same problem for me, but with #5. I already completed all contracts for the event, but the Spotlighter Garb is still locked in the Contestants Style menu: https://i.redd.it/mwjqe6vjm1gc1.png https://ibb.co/wJvNT53

[quaint forge]

Can there be a rework to the heavy grenade launcher? It feels like it is hard to consistently get kills with it… it should be buffed to be matched to the medium grenade launcher so it could be more reliable of a weapon

[vague sail]

More sponsor cosmetics

[median cipher]

Fix the match making!!!! I’m gold 1 playing with bronze

[torn flame]

the spawning in the new mode is god awful. You either spawn next to 6 people and the last person standing gets an easy win, or you spawn 100 feet away from everyone all the time and cant get anything done

[vagrant raptor]

my cross play is OFF why am i matched against non xbox players. now that you added gyro controls for playstation i don’t want to play with them. FIX YOUR CROSS PLAY SETTINGS.

[drifting tiger]

augment detection UI so it shows icon of what method you've been detected by and the player name of who detected you

[quick coyote]

Please remove "detected" from recon senses. I don't care and I hate it popping up so much

[eternal gorge]

Let us buy pieces of the cosmetic packs instead of making us pay $20 for a single item from it please and thanks

[tepid violet]

Giro isn’t even strong

[golden iron]

They should make it a setting lol

[ebon hemlock]

i like it

[quick coyote]

Solo bank it is so terrible and its lame that an event is centered around a game mode made for a specific kind of player.

[vagrant raptor]

i don’t care how strong or weak it is. xbox doesn’t have it so we shouldn’t be forced to play against those who do. it should either be disabled in cross play lobbies or they shouldn’t get the advantage of aim assist when they have it enabled.

[solemn widget]

Gyro once mastered is as good as kbm. its a raw input. @vagrant raptor they do not have aa when gyro is on. @tepid violet look up videos of gyro and see what it is. you dont use just your thumbs when using it.

[median cipher]

On a black screen going into a rank final round…. It’s frozen and lost my xp because it said I left. Jokeee

[stoic vine]

Please fix EU servers. Im lagging that much I can barely move.

[tepid violet]

No offense but I can’t believe that…thumbs against a full arm.

[radiant heath]

TFGE000003 instant fix. ( ` x5) while you get the error to unlock dev options on top of screen. Klick more options - cancel game without losing points nice figuring this one out! 😄

[frank nymph]

Just going to put it out there, but I cannot relate to the hate on MMM meta.

In almost all of my rank games, there are some MMM teams, but its still dominated by HMM and HHM teams. Nukes, mesh shields and dome is still pretty high up there to take down as meta. RPG is ok now due to the backlash close range.
Edit: Heavies are fine. Nukes arnt as common now, and mesh is easily burst down with 2 people shooting at it.
Dont nerf the mesh shield any further. Thanks

MMM teams normally only run 1 or 2x recon, and 1 healing beam. If they run 1x recon 1x healing beam, then the last guy will take 1x turret.

Its extremely inefficient to run 3x medium as they lack destruction capabilities. So as my team normally runs 1x recon, its enough to counter most of their push strategy with our heavy.

Maybe diamond lobbies are different due to the skill disparity between diamond and plat, but I just dont see the issue of MMM in plat games. Sure, it gets annoying when they've already set up and are holding the cash out. Especially on suspended structures. My god... suspended structures :<

But if they are pushing, then its a different story. Eitherway, I do think that recon still needs a nerf, especially the toggling aspect. But thats about it. I think that the 30m is alright, as long as its not togglable on demand.

End of the day, I think the game itself is alright where its at. Just some minor tweaks will do. Please dont overnerf and take the fun out of the game. Thanks embark.

[quick coyote]

Overall good post, leave my shields alone pls, thanks

[halcyon hollow]

Can we add a kill cam and make it were you can spectated your friends in a game would be a cool idea

[fossil walrus]

If you want to treat gyro players like mouse players because it's that good then you should be begging Microsoft to get off their asses and add gyro to their controllers. That way you can have the same functionality.

Gyro uses your "full arm". That statement is literally meaningless. @tepid violet

[grim steeple]

Microsoft should add gyro, you're absolutely right. They're the only console lacking the feature. And screw 'full arm,' you can use all your muscles with gyro, full control.

[vagrant raptor]

i don’t want gyro in multiplayer period…. i’ve been playing on controller for over 15 years and i always play with my controller resting on a pillow in my lap. i don’t want to have to change how i play games after 15 years just so i can have a chance against players with gyro controllers. if Microsoft makes gyro controllers it will severely impact my enjoyment of multiplayer games. i hope they never make a gyro controller. if someone wants more precise aiming they need to think about saving enough money to buy a pc.

[untold timber]

Patch cadence is amazing, so much good work, thank you ❤️ If you get enough free time would love to listen to more Meet the Makers.

[vernal phoenix]

Can we please get more than 6 custom contestants? I’d like to put more outfits together and only having 6 is bleh

[violet hound]

anyone else not able to launch after the 1.6.0 update? I get stuck on "waiting for game" in the splash screen

[forest veldt]

Why the actual fuck am i, in literally every single game, paired with the worst fuckin teamates ive ever seen in my life. Aim like a bot. runnin into walls. its pathetic. every single game.

Gotta carry these fools who barely know how to move their mouse/analog stick every single game is getting exhausting

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[fossil walrus]

Guess where 90% of gyro players rest their hands. In their laps. This is the classic example of a low information person. You likely don't know anything about gyro but you're against it because you want everything catered to you. "if someone wants precise aiming they need to think about saving enough money to buy a pc" no they should get gyro standard on all their games and terrible players like yourself should stay in your cardboard lobbies or get better. Simple as that.

[quick coyote]

Ok, so I just learned what gyro is, and is that an option?! Because that would be so fucking awesome

They have it in Splatoon and that is soooooo smooth. Omg sniper would be so much better, or any ads

[vagrant raptor]

i’ve used gyro controls on switch. i don’t like it, i don’t want to use it and i don’t want to play against people with it. maybe you should stop being a bum and get a job that pays better so you can switch to pc.

[grim steeple]

The future is now. Adapt or fall behind. The days of the game aiming for you while you lounge and sip Bang energy drinks are numbered.

[opaque patio]

thinking nobody should be allowed to use the input method they want cause you dont want to is so entitled lmfao. if u think gyro is so op that the game will be unplayable against it then youre the problem

[spare fable]

Please duo quick cash

[limber glacier]

The new changes for recon senses cause the constant filter and "DETECTED" on my screen?

[hallow kite]

holy shit fam why so violent damn

[solemn widget]

get off your high horse lmao you look like an idiot. @vagrant raptor so you are advocating for less features lmao

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

@vagrant raptor you got flamed by everyone in this channel lmao

[fierce valve]

Auto-Add LFG-Ranked to peoples list, I do believe a lot of people don't read the server announcements and just use the same LFG they had. Would make my experience better to find some casuals to play with.

[fair lantern]

hate that the event is only solo 😦

[vagrant raptor]

like i said i don’t want them in MULTIPLAYER . if microsoft adds them and its single player games only then great enjoy your gyro controlled. but if someone is too lazy to check and see what xbox has and doesn’t have before spending hundreds on one instead of saving a little more and getting a pc instead thats not my problem. if you wanted gyro then you shoulda got a playstation or a pc.

[grim steeple]

It's a little thing, but I'd like if the stun gun didn't need to reload. It already has a cd. I remember to do it, so no skill issue, but it just feels awkward on a gadget with a single charge.

[quick coyote]

I know some people don't like it, but I'm 100% invested in this "gyro" argument now. I want it so bad

[opaque patio]

why would you want the devs to have less features available for a console other than just selfish reasons

[orchid crest]

i mean

[sharp kraken]

make heavy only carry 1 c4 (yall have adhd for mistakes lool ) just like how light carries only 1 breach charge at a time. Claymore is too overpowered for it to be used 2 times at once

[sharp glade]

Claymore ?? 👀🤔

[frank nymph]

ooh claymore would be an interesting addition to the game 😂

@regal yew Respawn.

[regal yew]

I get a glitch where I can’t shoot, it’s been a thing for awhile. Anyone know a fix to this

[vagrant raptor]

its not selfish at all to not want new input methods on a console i’ve invested thousands of dollars into. what is selfish is players who refuse to upgrade to a pc where EVERY input method is available to them then they want new input methods on console where traditional controllers have been the standard for almost 25 years. @solid narwhal is begging for m&k support. buy a pc. m&k doesn’t belong on console. you knew what you were getting into when you bought one. why would you buy a console then complain when theres no m&k support.

[smoky storm]

Actual brain rot. You're a goddamn loser lmao.

[quick coyote]

Guys be nice. It's clearly a sensitive subject for him. No need to rub salt in the wound 🙏 maybe he has a mobility issue or something, just be kind

[worthy mountain]

finally fixed the freeze issues i was having causing my entire PC needing to be force restarted.

Using reliability monitor i discovered it was 'Microsoft GameInput' trying to run and for some reason causing the issue, so after uninstalling the program, the problem is fixed.
No idea why thats the issue or why that caused it (nothing plugged in for the program to run for).
Maybe if anyone else experiences the freeze / pc crash issue they can use the same method as me to determine why.

Just posting in hopes it helps someone that comes looking.
also as feedback to say it crashed the finals...

[sharp glade]

I think he means c4 😂 but yeah, claymore could be a Thing maybe

[opaque patio]

wish events did more it feels like dead go boom and low grav are the only ones that really affect gameplay

[sonic spoke]

mega damage

[grim steeple]

The laser thing is pretty cool on some of the maps. I wish there were a couple specific to each map

[cloud jungle]

It's no coincidence that those are also the worst effects

[halcyon hollow]

Kill cam pls

[buoyant elbow]

Kill cam would be goated but it poses a risk for screen watching no?

[solid narwhal]

Hey, I appreciate your enthusiasm for PC gaming, but I’m afraid I can’t just buy a PC or a full gaming setup right now. It’s too expensive for me, and I have other things to spend my money on. Besides, I really enjoy playing on my xbox series x. It has great graphics, a large library of games, and an easy-to-use interface. I don’t think I need to switch to PC gaming to have fun. Maybe someday I’ll get a PC, but for now, I’m happy with what I have also, most games on console are fun and really just better to play on controller, now, when it comes to fps games, which the finals appears to be the only fps game that I have on my console, it's totally reasonable to ask for kbm support for it. Is it not? Like saying "jUsT bUy a pC" tells me that you put no thought into what you are saying, also didn't you see the channel name? Don't you know what this channel is for? You discouraging other people for asking for something that won't even effect you(actually might even benefit you) is not cool my dude.👎

[frank nymph]

Events should be taken out of rank is what I feel.
But for casual plays (unranked or even unranked tourney) i think they are a good feature to have.

I just hate low grav in ranked, so dumb...
Dead go boom on the other hand, has gotten me more laughs then rage.

It is what it is right now I guess. But I hope they take events out of ranked matches.

[vagrant raptor]

sorry that sucks, but consoles have been controller only for decades. nearly every console player would agree that m&k on console vs controller players is cheating. m&k doesn’t belong on console. you will have to accept that you only have controllers as an option if you continue to play on console.

@solemn widget are you mentally ill? piss off.

[solemn widget]

also mnk on console has been there for like 6 - 7 years lmao

[warm surge]

No u\

[worthy mountain]

you have been able to use M&k on console since like, UT 2004.... the problem comes with faking a mouse and keyboard to look like a controller, so that you maintain the aim assist... which is completely different.

one is just utilizing same hardware, different device... the other is manipulating hardware to gain an advantage.

Lets just be sure to stay on the same page here...

Using a mouse and keyboard on any device as a mouse and keyboard is no advantage to anyone, or disadvantage to anyone...

edit: cross play exits bro.. your gonna have to get over yourself.

[warm mauve]

Hear me out Embonk: Remove Dead Go Boom

[sharp glade]

Or make it more delayed, so U can react

[quick coyote]

This game’s balance feels VERY good right now. Devs, know you’re doing something right if the only complaints you’re seeing are about MnK vs. controller

[solid narwhal]

I would like to mention that several games on console(mainly fps games like COD) had kbm support on console for years now, even more casual games like minecraft even adopted kbm, console is growing and so are the input methods. The Finals had kbm support ever sense the game has been out untill the 1.5.0 update that removed it, tbh it wasn't that big of a problem because before the update when kbm support was still on console the aim assist was very strong so playing on kbm wasn't that big of an advantage in the first place. What I'm saying is if they had something in place like IBMM(input based matchmaking) or if they buffed the AA and added a xim/cheat detection rework then it would really just benefit both console and pc players.
I'm gonna go to bed now, I'll respond to any replies in the morning. I hope yall have a good night.

[quick coyote]

It already had mnk support and then took it away? Oh damn, I'd be pissed too

[fossil walrus]

The funny thing is that people were making this exact same statement about thumbsticks when Nintendo introduced them 28 years ago. "Why do I have to use this stick. It's too awkward". Luckily Nintendo thought ahead and gave the brainlets no choice but to use the stick. Otherwise we might still be using face buttons as look camera

[tall sparrow]

Is crossplay broken after the patch ?
Have it turned off an I'm still versing pc

[worthy mountain]

the entire reason aim assist exists is to balance the hardware... PC players vs console players all the time. every day. all over the world...
The only people that cry about it are obviously having issues with their KDR....

If you use a m&k as a m&k, you dont have aim assist... if you use controller as a controller, you do.. the balance already exists and has for ages..
Using the hardware as intended is balanced.. by the devs... who created the game...

cross play wouldn't be successful if majority agreed with all yall having a cry right now... get over yourselves or get better at aiming if its such a sore point.
The clown react to these comments are admissions of being bad TBH 😂

The fact yall haven't provided any logical argument apart from "I dont liek it" kinda seals the deal.... "its always been controller" mighta worked pre 2004, but it hasn't always been controller on console... not for a long long time...

[frank nymph]

The recon, nukes, turrets, cloak and rpg complainers are just asleep at the moment.
Right. We also have fcar complainers.

They just asleep right now.

[vagrant raptor]

when they added thumb sticks it allowed them to make games where you could move the camera around. they are still here, we don’t need a new way to move the camera around. gyro should stay out of multiplayer.

@solemn widget nearly every game i have played has no m&k support. its only on games where it doesn’t add a unfair advantage over controller players like Minecraft. yeah they have it on war zone and that game went to shit after they added it. there wasn’t a day that went by without my coworkers at my job who play that game complaining about it. if they add m&k support to the finals the player base will drop off and all that will be left is morons who don’t realize the game has it and m&k players that kill the enjoyment for others.

console should have traditional controllers only. none of this gyro crap and no m&k.

[opaque patio]

very large skill issue you can still have fun if people are better than you

[quick coyote]

Recon is a detection grenade off cooldown now—easily the worst specialization in the game. Nukes are annoying, but also the only counter to double-heal meta and poor positioning. Turrets are nothing as long as you have a team comp: glitch grenade, rpg, barrier, mesh shield, etc. Cloak gets a pick, but one kill is meaningless especially when you’re usually trading for it. Rpg has been nerfed into the ground and can’t kill a light with a direct shot…grenades do more. Fcar complainers have never used an LH1 or Lewis gun before; it literally only counters medium AK.

Let’s hope these people stay sleeping.

[wise flame]

add more customization slots

[lofty osprey]

Add a Melee only gamemode

[cloud jungle]

Dead go Boom just fucks over melee completely. It's already weaker than guns.

Like after they added Gyro and I could finally use guns my games went from 10 kills with an occasional 20 kill game to a consistent 15+

[solemn widget]

Also aa on cod is so op that there was no point to playing on kbm

[lapis acorn]

Recon is still good as majority of fights occur within 30m. Nukes have no counter play and aren’t fun to use or be killed by. Turrets in a good spot. Cloak in good spot. RPG is balanced now, one shotting lights not fair for both parties and low skill required. Fcar still the strongest gun beats Lewis as Lewis is basically an AK with more ammo. LH1 is in good place better than revolver by long shot and can compete w Fcar but requires more skill.

[quartz girder]

Buff nukes / c4 , add bow and arrows / crossbow and we want a freaking text chat and by God stop putting bronze and unranked players in high ranked teams !!!

[edgy tide]

NUKES HAVE TO GO

[fossil walrus]

Yeah his coworkers have to be lower level players because COD is one game where people on mnk are at a distinct disadvantage over controller players. You have to be a top 1% player on mnk to consistently beat an above average controller player. Then you add the stuff like visual clutter that AA users don't have to worry about and it's even worse.

[foggy ginkgo]

I’m not gonna lie though I watch a lot of y’all try and body up to a fat boy staring dead at u with a nuke and i just think to myself “welp i hope they had a good life”😭

[opaque patio]

true they chose the one game where every pro and good player is on controller to talk about how mnk kills games

[quick coyote]

Add a permanent supporter pack/bundle that contains unique cosmetics and the soundtrack of the game, since several people have mentioned they love it.

[cerulean elbow]

hud opacity please 🙏

[gaunt bay]

motion sensor isnt counting for detect opponents contract

[quartz girder]

Offer a upgraded battle pass similar to blackcell

[quick coyote]

Idc about these arguments but give me gyro if that's a real possibility. Fuck, I'll pay $$ 💰

[dire merlin]

@worthy roost is combat score 1:1 with damage dealt

[vagrant raptor]

all the more reason why i don’t want to go against it. it will raise the skill ceiling and make consoles less casual.

[past forge]

Anyone else getting suspended after Ranked Tournaments claiming you left a match but you didn't? This, the Network Preference, and not being able to ADS/Shoot Bug is really irritating. The Network Preference Bug returning is one of those "really...again?" moments 🙃🙃

[earnest sierra]

please i'm begging you devs fix the damn matchmaking i can't fkn win with 2 silver or bronze dying every second while i'm a diamond playing light trying my hardest ass to win the first round to not lose FM and ofc i will never win vs other diamonds and plats please make the matchmaking based on rank please

[cloud jungle]

What

[dire matrix]

IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLO Q

[sinful gazelle]

Ngl I been solo queuing in a bit and I’m getting gold players as a plat 4. Which isn’t bad tbh. Idk how y’all get silvers and bronzes

[gray gate]

Anyone else crashing way too often, I’m on a 6600xt which I think should be able to handle it, is this just me?

[bleak coral]

get to diamond for silvers and bronzes xd

@vagrant raptor ur actually quite based everyone here has empty skull

[tiny owl]

Is anyone having a problem with collecting the twitch rewards ? It says connection required when I’m linked already

[past forge]

So you already streamed the "x"/hours? Right?

[fossil walrus]

This game is very CPU heavy. Also check your drivers. That might be related to your crashing. I'm on an older Nvidia card and went back to the driver that I've been using since November because the latest ones made my game very unstable and I crashed a couple of times.

[untold timber]

I hope recon gets more attention, i still think it's too strong and not fun to engage with.

[gray gate]

Okay thanks, sometimes it’s worse(I’ve tried playing three games today and made it about half way through all of them before it crashes out of the blue)

[tiny owl]

Yeah I have the rewards in my inventory, it just says I have to connect it which I already have it linked to my PlayStation account

[quartz girder]

Bow and arrow/crossbow/ballistic missile
Gas mask
Drone that can pick up canisters
Healing bomb
Adrenaline shot (boosts a team mates speed)
Hang glider
Wall barricade (can’t be broken)

[past forge]

Nope.. don't like that lol... MAYBE a crossbow but ehh lol

[winged glacier]

how have the devs somehow made two of the least fun game mode events ive ever played 💀

[quick coyote]

Gggyyyrrrrrrooooo please

You can have my body 👀

What????

@haughty relic I don't see it

[haughty relic]

Flick stick to gyro!! ^^ there's already gyro, controller > all the way to the bottom. Got added yesterday I think

[lapis pollen]

Dev please play at least one round with dagger, and tell me it is balance and good. Ignore it in entire season is wild.

[vital radish]

ngl I'm starting to feel that the final round is crazy unfair a lot of the time
It seems whatever team gets the vault into the cashout has such an easier time with the 25 second respawn timer and insane height advantages while using FCAR + Lewis gun because no other weapon is ever used. Other than that (alongside recon, FCAR, and nukes,) this has been amazing!!

[eternal gorge]

gonna be honest most people's complaints come down to skill issue

[boreal wagon]

nukes + rpg
recon senses

[quick coyote]

Yeah this is it

I am so so eager to see the dev stream tomorrow and watch their reaction when they get red c4 nuked 4 times in a row and constantly farmed, really want to know what they think about the state of the game then

[lapis pollen]

Try dagger in rank and tell me it is skill issue. Even the best dagger player can't reach the diamond

[scenic idol]

double heavy meta is so unenjoyable.... every single good team is stomping with it... even without nukes heavy is still INSANELY op. 2 rpgs + 2 shields + 2 shotguns is ridiculous dps (i am also glad recon is gone but please nerf heavy hard)

[brave jacinth]

Playing with people from different continents doesnt work most of the time

[opaque patio]

if we're gonna keep nukes can we fix the bug where c4 just falls off of them when you throw

[subtle tree]

was it intended that we jump through the new 10 levels of carreer? I went straight from 40 to 50 upon logging on.

[plucky veldt]

every weeks patch = MMM MMH MHH MHH
really this is big patch??
Let's be honest. just they want use esp and nuke.
they says : big patch.
but? Nothing has changed in three weeks. still bad.

patch Good? Rather, the number of players is decreasing.

The 350hp heavy's have excellent holding power, and have tremendous firepower.
But what on earth does a 150hp light's have besides speed? Assassination? Shotguns were also taken away and the damage to the rest of the guns is disastrous.

light is just 150hp trash class

The rank is just full of medium and heavy.
Giving feedback to satisfy your greed will only speed up the end of the game.

[hallow ruin]

For those who say "skill issue" when some1 is giving feedback about Recon Senses:

When I as a light am trying to escape, dodge every bullet, do tripple spins in the air to avoid a heavy rocket, running behind cover, while constantly tryting to be aware of my surroundings, trying to not get damaged for 10 seconds, AND THAT ONE MEDIUM JUST PRESSES ONE FUCKING BUTTON AND SEES EXACTLY WHERE I AM -

• IS NEVER, I WANNA REPEAT, NEVER IS A SKILL ISSUE.

There is a problem with a core of this ability, it dosent need nerfs nor buffs, it needs a complete rework.

[oak kernel]

I still think recon should work like sonars, but casual cashout isn't filled with MMM's anymore. Knowing when I'm spotted also makes it way less frustrating. So good on y'all for those changes. Just quit having issues on major patches and I think it'll be a-ok lol

[grizzled comet]

looking for any rank to just chill. (giant friendgroup)

[pulsar slate]

looking for help with fresh install and getting MISSING_ANGELSCRIPT_CALLSTACK all the time. Worst ever.

[daring fossil]

something needs to be done about particle parity on different graphics setting. so often I get beamed by people through smoke or gas that I can't see at all

[lapis pollen]

Those who left liked light, and those who stayed were heavy players. Do you think they would agree with you?

[plucky veldt]

There is no way.. I don't want to see the game ruined by the hypocrites' feedback.
If this continues, the game is virtually a time limit.
They were so bad at patching and didn't admit it themselves.
ex)recon,c4 nuke,some guns recoil
Just by looking at the maintenance time of the esp that fps users detest, you can see how incompetent it is.

Look at the results. The number of users has dropped to 20,000

[pliant quartz]

opacity sliders for pings, revive, cashouts. it's hard to see enemies during a fight when they're behind these markers.
reduce red barrel speed a bit if attached with c4.

[daring fossil]

im still here, I just play medium mostly now, which honestly sucks. I'm going to get revolver mastery before my primary light weapon, and I have almost double the time into light.

[quick coyote]

Can we have a giant claymore sword skin for sledge? Or a large trout? Thanks

[random geyser]

please bring back nukes

[lapis pollen]

I think that they should play by themself, and don't use data analysis to predict what people don't like, what they want.

last game that use data analysis is lol, and you know what happened.

[hallow ruin]

If some1 is a programmer here:

Is it actually harder then I think to delete a part of the code that gives an option to use recon senses?
Like I would rather play a week or two without it, while they are working on a complete rework rather then with it and have this annoying "detected" thing on my screen all the time.

[random geyser]

when will nukes be back
:)
there's no point nerfing it

[wispy token]

make it possible to buy individual items from the bundles, but bundles have a slight discount like in valorant

[opaque patio]

use a red barrel they still work just fine

[rich fox]

a game mode with a new objective would be cool. or just simply a team death match.

[lapis pollen]

"No point", destroy all team by zero skill in oneshot.

Meanwhile, light use their all bullet and can't even kill a heavy with healing.

[fleet jay]

some contracts such as “deal damage with an arena carriable” are too vague of a description for what actually needs to be done

also buff the dome shield health, even just a little pretty please

[glad condor]

Please fix anti cheat errors affecting legit players. I keep getting "An internal anti-cheat integrity check failed" and getting kicked from the game

[pseudo latch]

I would love if you increased charge and slams charge hitbox so you can more consistently use it in combat, it’s a really strong controlling tool for people who get too close to you but sometimes it’s too easy for an enemy to just barely strafe too far to the side for it to land.

[random geyser]

i'm a light main btw

[quick coyote]

Ranked is an absolute mess

[pliant trail]

im legit just gonna troll if u keep giving me silver teammates and ruin the game so u lose more players!!!! ass dev team

[hallow ruin]

🐧

[woeful heath]

I'd like to see the end of the round pausing if a steal is in progress. Would add more suspense and make the countdown feel like it matters more.

[vernal girder]

It's because the balancing ain't great

[finite dirge]

nerf double/triple medium pls

[flint goblet]

As a programmer, no, it shouldn't be difficult to do. I also agree that it would be better to just take it out at this point while reworking the ability. I love the game, but these specific "cheap" kinds of wallhack abilities without any interesting mechanic is just bringing the game down.

[south sedge]

The game is mess, not ranked, everything is fucked up

[hallow ruin]

Even the egg friend?

[worn oyster]

reduce tournament size so oce can find games pls

[quick coyote]

So before I go out and buy a PlayStation tomorrow, I want to make sure I understand this; I will be able to have gyro controls in the finals?

[native acorn]

what are gyro controls used for in this game?

[opaque patio]

yes

[quick coyote]

braindead devs killed most loud and succeeded pvp shooter in last 10 years afte 3 absolutely brainrot patches, removing abilities like grapple, and not fixing reWASD aimbot, xim and devcheat that they sold themselves, and yes, reWASD aimbot still works, still locks on enemy head in 90 degrees no matter what range is. and no one got banned for using cheats, even noclip and kill aura. because EMBARK sold it themselves. good job, now bark.

[tawny oriole]

As I see in steam stats you have lost a lot of players compared to the beginning. You will lose more players until the game is dead, I won't play again until you improve matchmaking, Unbelievable as platin player, i play every damn match with gold 3 and bronze. Fk u

[acoustic portal]

Devs never did some measures before releasing this game, they never thought about every possible scenarios (e.g. cheating, abuse, etc) before releasing it

Also now they end up with constant broken patches (Now it's 3rd time already)

P.S. JasperCouli, if we don't say anything, they will never improve themselves. The advice you've provided is wrong. We all do that we want to play on better environment, not this broken game that has tons of issues

[subtle oak]

Less complaining and more playing the game, than the game won’t die.

But do something about Recon Senses, nobody enjoys wallhacks on the enemy team.

Also fix ranked based match making for our solo queue warriors.

[quick coyote]

Please embark for the love of god. Make the footstep audio actually hearable

[quick coyote]

Wow. That's amazing. Microsoft can get fucked. Thanks for confirming 🙏

[jagged ocean]

Adaptive triggers on ps5 controller would be neat as an option (like cyberpunk 2077)

[lapis pollen]

No, peoples' complaining won't kill the game.

Only thing will kill the game is that the game is not fresh, not cool, not balanced and not funny.

[frail prawn]

There shouldn't be a ban for game crashes...

[wicked crest]

Cross play broken again?

[subtle oak]

That its not perfectly balanced I can agree with, but this game is fresh and funny. There hasnt been a big game like this before.

[trim charm]

Having massive issues with performance.
Whenever I launch the game fresh, I get like 30-40 fps. I need to restart my computer, and then I get around 140-160fps.
AMD 5800X
Nvidia RTX 3070ti
Launching in DX11 doesn't help either.
Starting happening about 2 Nvidia driver updates ago, and about 3 patches ago?

[quick coyote]

Hello everyone I just got the game today

[lapis pollen]

It was. After three month everyone don't think it fresh anymore.

[quick coyote]

We need Namatama plushies right fucking now plz

[quick coyote]

r u enjoying?

[fossil walrus]

The latest Nvidia drivers cause issues on some systems. Like mine. Roll back

[vernal girder]

Recon "rework" LMAO

[dawn sand]

NOBODY should be able to shoot through a domesheild from the outside in, let alone through the entire damn thing.

[quick coyote]

Yeah I am thanks for asking

[bold lantern]

Difficult if not impossible to differentiate between someone legit crashing, or someone killing the game or pulling their LAN cable out for a second.

[frosty obsidian]

custom games bleh :P
make matchmaking so that me as plat doesnt get qued with bronze ty

[dreamy nebula]

Good afternoon, talented developers from Embark Studios. I want to thank you for the effort and love with which you create and improve The Finals. I haven't enjoyed a shooter game as much as I have enjoyed your game in a long time. You are wizards!!!
I would like to ask you to add support for other languages to the game in the future, for example Russian, since I, and not a small part of other players, play your game from the CIS countries.
We will all be very grateful to you, thank you!!!!

[wary sapphire]

1. Footsteps are even worse since the patch
2. C4 nukes are just a joke.
3. Recon should be reworked

[opaque patio]

genuine question why does c4 sometimes do 300 damage i got a cashbox thrown at me and died to 300 damage from 1 c4 and 150 from another

[quick coyote]

DAY 1 OF ASKING FOR HEARABLE FOOTSTEP AUDIO

[finite dirge]

nerf medium weapons and gadgets pls

[glad delta]

Thinking about it consciously the finals has a lot of moving parts to balance between movement, destruction, Intel, and actual gunplay and the way guns and gadgets feel and damage not to mention the tons of fixes it needs at launch

I bet the new event is out there to figure out which ways to buff light

[trim charm]

what version of driver did you roll back to?
546.33 (Dec 12)?
Or 546.29 (Dec 4)?

[fossil walrus]

I rolled back to November but my system is older

[manic aspen]

no way a nuke this bad killed someone

[rough herald]

i know im just one person saying this but i would like a "Medeveil update" where you give bow to light, crossbow to medium, and a long/war bow for heavy. pls? 🙏

[stone crown]

Suggestion:

Please don't add anything new to the game. Don't add skins, don't add/adjust maps, etc. PLEASE, just focus on better implementation of EAC and SBMM.

[latent lava]

wouldn’t make sense in such futuristic surrounding

[plucky veldt]

heavy is not human. embark made god thor

[rough herald]

the finals is canonically is a game show in a "vr game" so why not.
plus i want to kill futuristic people with caveman technology

[fossil walrus]

Probably already hurt but yeah nukes are very braindead to use. That's mainly why people didn't want it nerfed. Anything for free kills

[undone veldt]

Fix the audio mixing so the sound makes sense. No way a heavy build can run up to me swinging a sledgehammer and the only thing I hear is hitmarkers on me. Also the sound of footsteps needs to be fixed too

[sharp glade]

💯 exactly this

[slim bone]

Anybody know how to fix system integrity violation its been happening since the update

[hollow gate]

I get mild motion sickness by the constantly moving crosshair, which btw doesn't even stay in the center of the screen. I have to activate some weird screen function to have a solid dot static in the middle of the screen to make it better. the fact that it "widen" while firing is default in most games though, I'm used to that. but it's quite annoying that hte crosshair isn't even where the actual aim is. is there any option to remove the camera shake like in proper games?

[tiny sphinx]

How do I upload screenshots? A friend of mine was bugged and managed to enter Steal the Spotlight as a medium

[grizzled wyvern]

Nerf turrets 🗣️🔥 no more 4th teammate with aimbot

[hazy pollen]

THE FINALS OST on Spotify please

[latent lava]

any idea on how you wanna get more players to play the game ? it’s been in downfall since release

[stone crown]

Deal with the cheater problem, balance the classes, fix matching making, and marketing. In that order. After all 4 of those things have been done. Then they can focus on maps, skins, gamemodes, etc.

[opaque patio]

#1201841543926005810 you have to be a higher level to send files here

[quick coyote]

play something other than medium so you can counter turret 🗣

[steady cradle]

your just bad

[south sedge]

The fact that you scrolled all the way just to type this stupid reply, shows how much of a kid you are, grow up.

[abstract elbow]

Why are explosives so inconsistent? RPG'd a guy with a nuke and it doesnt break it lol

[opaque patio]

can you not send files in bug reports no matter the rank? if not then idk how else u could

[steady cradle]

get better

[foggy ginkgo]

I think a good nuke nerve if we were to keep them in the game would be to make it when things are attached it has way less hit points so there can actually be some counter play. Just a thought

[subtle oak]

Does anyone know if its possible to use the in game AI voices ‘June & Scotty’ yourself? To make custom voice lines.

[wooden frost]

Azerons are banned. Why?

[warm sky]

nice suprise Oscar now i cant join any partys anymore 💀

[grizzled wyvern]

1st of all, shouldn’t have to. 2nd of all, we all know turrets need adjusting. 3rd of all, I dominate as a heavy, turrets just super annoying

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here's some suggestions, I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:

• While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
• Lunge distance (90% of the fight become a chase you can't win, the other classes have ways to block enemies, slow them down or catch up to them, even heavies have RPG to finish people off if they use sledge)
• Increase damage from 84 to 90 (to kill heavies in 4 hits instead of 5)
• Add a charge like attack, to activate it press the attack button while blocking kinda like charge N slam, of course less powerful and without the destruction effect, it would add variety, also all the other melee weapons have two attacks)

IMPROVE MELEE TRACKING:

• Some weapons like the Dagger have an insane lock that is not needed, on the other hand the Riot Shield has a very weak lock, you can't even hit people in your face sometimes. Consider increasing the angle at which the lock works and reduce the lock strenght on the Dagger

FIX THE DAGGER BACKSTAB:

• Backstabs with the Dagger are the most incosistent thing I've ever seen, a lot times either nothing happens or it's not backstab even though you're right behind them and other times it is when you're literally in front of them.
• Increase the backstab hitboxes because the latency of the servers causes this problems
• Make it so you can hold the backstab and it's not a forced animation, revert it like it was in the Open Beta

NERF THE DEAD GO BOOM:

• This event is extremly unfair for melee users, you cannot avoid it if you get a kill
• Either increase the time before the explosion to at least 3 seconds OR make it so the explosions don't damage players but only the enviroment

[violet sparrow]

Custom gamemod 😍

[fallow gust]

Please add mouse and keyboard support

[shrewd geyser]

nah bro riot shields are aids I say remove them lol. biggest no skill thing in the game. you wont get high kills using it but they are dumb af

[plucky veldt]

fk game patch trash😭

[latent garnet]

more egg cosmetics when? ( missed out on cb2 stuff kinda sad)

[lusty belfry]

Hello Guys, love your game! I have a skin idea for a pet, what about a snake that holds tight to your arm? the type of snake that has a vibrant colorful pattern. I think this type of skin would sell awsome, especially if you can see it on your hands, like a watch. Have a nice day!

[idle tiger]

Hey I just ran into a guy who was perma invisible... Is this a bug? Because they were invisible even while shooting and they were using the dash ability

[manic aspen]

why is everything so white? why can he see me? is this one way thing? also fuck nukes

[raw canyon]

As if C4 has a range of 10m

[celest tree]

add stim (prob for light)

[opaque patio]

once they shoot you once they can track you by your health bar in smoke. i feel like it needs to be changed to where the health bar doesnt show up if you hit through smoke or just remove the smoke altogether

[wooden frost]

Can't play the game because you banned Azerons. Sad.

[open rock]

My mic in finals game is not workinh even tho its working on all other apps like discord i am able to hear all my frnd but they cant hear me do uk what to do
Im on ps5
Useing ps5 pluse 3d

[hallow ruin]

Can play the game because you banned Azerons.Happy.

[quick coyote]

light using thermal vision/medium using recon comming with the heavy

[bleak coral]

add like 6 cranes to las vegas, thanks

[manic aspen]

the only medium had a turret

[indigo stone]

Did the new update help or nah?

[covert dock]

Aim assist still not fixed on ps5 🥲

[warm sky]

After the patch i cant join partys anymore

[quick coyote]

then you had already been shot by the heavy, and your health bar was visible

[frail rose]

Hello everyone, I am really confused with all the bugs that have occured in last 24 hours, can anyone help?
This is pop up window:
LoginId:00a4193c4d2e72980d82458a20e16569
EpicAccountId:b602e2ae0c624158bd3ac7aaa59a5b69

Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0x0000000000000d30

MISSING_ANGELSCRIPT_CALLSTACK

Discovery
Discovery
Discovery
runtime
ntdll
ntdll
kernel32
ntdll

[celest tree]

It would be better if recon sent out a circular sphere which expanded while scanning people. This would let people figure out where the recon dude is while still keeping the power for it. For reference, look at Starsiege Deadzone's Scanner ability (look at gameplay vids, game kinda died)

[gentle ferry]

I want kill counters for guns so baddddddd

[quartz shale]

i mean, they exist

[steady cradle]

skill issue

[soft gorge]

Mouse and keyboard support on consoles and input based matchmaking on the next update, please!

Devs, you are encouraging people on consoles to use xim/ chronus adaptors by ignoring the addition of MKB support, think about it! While you guys "do not have any news to share on that topic" I don't blame xim/ chronus users.

[frigid leaf]

Loved the gyro setup could be very useful for controllers. I have a request if you could add gyro to be only active when shooting bullets also to the gyro section as I believe it would help controller players with more options.

[high lintel]

I keep getting login attempt failed messages

[fossil walrus]

Replace stun gun with it

[short sedge]

hello quick couple quality of life suggestions/feedback.

• Lower required amount of payers for ranked games (cant find a ranked game in oce forceed to play on asians servers where i lag) (maybe make ranked like normal tournament)

• Add latency/fps indicator

• Players should be able to view other players profiles and rank (so we can tell if someone is hacking or just genuinley good at the game)

• Add in game text chat so players who arent partied together can communicate to perhaps talk in game chat

• Improve the visuals on gas AND stop it from going through walls/floors (or jus remove it all together lol)

• PROMOTE THE GAME, GET MORE PLAYERS TO PLAY. THE GAME IS SLOWLY DYING. START EVENTS (like clash tournys in League Of Legends) this will give more insentive for competitiveness aswell as improved publicity for the game

• Introduce ticks on cashouts in perhaps 3rds or quarters (this wil help stop 3 teams being on 1 cahsout while 1 other team gets a freee cahout without fighting at all)

• Add overtime stealing for cashouts (rewards players for wiping teams last second and stealing in overtime)

Hope the feedback and suggestions are atleast read and taken into consideration. ❤️

[magic herald]

option to play audio when tab out'd

[soft gorge]

Dude, we understand that your brain is the size of a nut so let me explain something: if they add mkb support on consoles they are also implementing a feature called input based matchmaking which matches people with the same input in the same lobby (how cool is that?!?!?!?) So don't worry, you are not going to be playing against MKB players...

[bleak coral]

xbox and playstation require crossplay off option, so thats not rly doable

@cerulean skiff .... its required OPTION

• crossplay on is still only console, so still same thing

[cerulean skiff]

Idk what y'all are arguing about, but cross play off is not required. I have it on 24/7

[warm sky]

feels like it

[fossil walrus]

He's saying that Sony requires devs to have the option. Not that you're required to use it

[next meadow]

more contestant slots and the ability to rename them

[uneven prism]

pls fix map getting almost every game i play i get las vegas and plsss i will wait for 20 minutes for a good rank match but dont just put me in ranks i cant kill or in ranks who r just shit

[ebon elbow]

Mouse and keyboard support on consoles and input based matchmaking on the next update, please!

Devs, you are encouraging people on consoles to use xim/ chronus adaptors by ignoring the addition of MKB support, think about it! While you guys "do not have any news to share on that topic" I don't blame xim/ chronus users.

[waxen vault]

Ranked system is still not good, even after the update I get q'ed with silvers as a plat and playing against diamond

[wicked void]

can we buff framerate guys? it's a bit underpowered since this patch'

[quick coyote]

yup, its a bug. it happened to me when i used vanishing bombs

[last harness]

In every quick cash match since the update I have been seeing the "detected" message even off of spawns and even before I get detected.
I have no idea why this happens but hopefully this soon gets fixed

[soft gorge]

Exactly. And if they add input based matchmaking crossplay should be turned on by default since there are pc players that use controller and they would be matched with console players using controller. And, to be honest, THIS is real crossplay...

[cerulean skiff]

I saw his edit, thanks though

[hard badger]

Killstealing (assists) is so annoying in this game. Whoever does the most damage should get the kill not the one who shoots 20 damage in it because the one who did 130 his magazine is empty and need to reload... Please change this. Maybe only allow the other on to get the kill when the one who did 130 damage has died before the enemy is killed.

[sudden frost]

real talk when tf are we going to get serious about removing nukes from the game. The 'nerf' did next to nothing and its still easily the most frustrating part of playing the finals. Nukes and cheaters are the top 2 reasons why half of my friends dont play anymore. No skill required, no game should have a mechanic allowed that 1 shots an entire team instantly with 0 skill or effort required.

[cerulean skiff]

It's not a team deathmatch game, it really doesn't matter. Also, most games work like this, if not all

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[woeful void]

TBH the recon nerf is not really an effective nerf.

30m range is actually a bonus in my eyes by only giving me the info i need in my immediate range.

Players getting detected alert doesn't really help and actually now splits your focus.

Being detected but not knowing where it came from doesn't help much.

Think along the lines of bloodhound from apex where you can see the direction that the scan came from.

You get wall hacks, I get subtle information in return.

[untold pendant]

is the game meant to glitch when using steam input?

[hard badger]

It doesnt take the annoying factor away. I just want it to be fair thats all I ask. Maybe other games do that also but overwatch doesnt and call of duty black ops cold war also doesnt... Its just a wrong image if a player has 2 kills and 4 assists because the other guys of the team had luck they could finish someone for 20 or 50 damage because you need to reload xD Its not the worse thing in the game but its still not fair.

[subtle oak]

Pretty good take, something has to change. In the hands of a good player Recon is still OP. Toggle wallhacks 😅

[plucky veldt]

embark made god nuke thor. I can't believe it.
The whole world is a nuke field

[coral turtle]

please for the love of your playerbase, change the ui elements like DETECTED or the arena event text to somewhere else. Its the most annoying thing ever as it takes huge portition of the screen and blocks my vision. Why it has to be horizontally in center of the screen? It completely breaks my concentration, blocks vision to everything behind the text and in hectic situations it can cost a cashout

[fossil walrus]

LH1 audio still broken after the hotfix @rare spear

[undone belfry]

Game has issues: embark = let us fix the leaderboards...

[nocturne matrix]

c

[real dagger]

FIX THE SYSTEM INTEGRITY ISSUES

[fickle linden]

Please don't ping Embarkers here

[woeful void]

indeed. Should be a single cast wave ability imo. just played a game now where i had "DETECTED" plastered on my screen majority of the match and its super distracting. I'd turn it off if i could as it did nothing to help me.

[tranquil ore]

Please make it more likely to not get the same map from the previous game you've played 🙏

[cerulean skiff]

That's why there's a combat score. It is still very much fair to show who got the last hit. On your death screen, it also shows you where dmg came from where.

It doesn't get more fair than that bro...

[meager halo]

All of the clothes in the game are long sleeved and you selling a tattoo while showcasing it with a tank top that is not in the game... slow claps

[native acorn]

there is a tank top, you unlock it at account level 25 - it does have sleeves ig - the shirt at level 34 has sleeves only to the elbows, 39 has a sleeve on one arm only. Also you can’t see your character in game so weapon skins and gloves, or maybe hand tattoos are the highest priority imo

[woeful arch]

To fix the system integrity issue, try to turn on "Core isolation" feature in your Windows 10/11 PC, it fixed the issue permanently (so far) for me.

[tawny oak]

Fix the sniper issue, fix the damn damage registration in north american servers

[coral axle]

some kind of Turf War game mode would be fun

[stone flame]

aaannndd they remove most exciting part of the game.
Well, back to another game I guess.

[lethal bough]

we need a ping indicator

[stone crown]

Myself: Plat 2 (Low) / 1st M8: Plat 2 / 2nd M8: Bronze 4 .... smh 😫

[woeful void]

Fully agree.

It can negatively affect your KD too. The game is not a kills only focused game but I, like many others do like to keep a healthy KD in the game.

It should not only take into consideration the last damage dealt but where the majority of it came from. If i deal 80 - 90% of the damage the kill should be mine unless a certain amount of time has passed since then.

[fleet jay]

every time it’s been used it lasts .5 seconds before being shot down

[untold pendant]

getting steam input to work properly for the finals would be nice, the game glitches between the steam input and the controller setting

[soft gorge]

Buy a console /s

[dusty moth]

Game is on point. Still can’t find a ranked game. But the server issues feel better for me and the update and hotfix did the game nice.🙂

[steep pollen]

i just throw a rocket and took 142 damage while the enemy took 82 and i shot at his feets not mines...

[queen rover]

https://steamcharts.com/app/2073850 Finalssisters...We're fading

[atomic drum]

Since recon was nerfed, it is common to defeat a team and then immediately fight another team, while my team is low on both skill and health. I used to rush to open the vault, now I might as well go slow...It feels a little weird.

[unborn gulch]

fix the roof climbing for heavy

[woeful arch]

Click on your character profile on top right of main screen, you land on the "Career" window. Then on the left side you have 2 tabs, "overview" and "progression". If you click on the latter, you can see all the career track outfits unlocks and at which career level you can expect to see them drop. Featured clothes like tank tops are likely found there if you can't find them in the Shop or in the regular character dress-up window.

[orchid crest]

Whats the ee

[tribal zinc]

sadness...

[meager halo]

Would you wear lvl34 shirt?

[wary hazel]

recon nerf was an absolute W but for the love of god having wallhacks on demand (even though they are range limited) is still kinda op?? I cannot do anything anywhere without having the fucking "detected" text on my screen. I feel like it doesn't even matter anymore.

[cerulean skiff]

It's weird that with the addition of new clothes options they didn't have a tank top variant with full arms out. The elbow cover one we gave currently is... Something

[dark umbra]

The self damage for the explosives are way to high, especially with heavy’s rpg and c4, if you shot at their explosives, you get punished for it

[native acorn]

yeah, any cosmetic I’d wear irl I would use in game. I’d wear a black shirt with a random white logo like that

[severe wave]

recon is balanced now tho ngl its just decent now if at all. 30 meters is really nothing at all recon used to be good on 170 meter range and now only close range

[abstract elbow]

I still see a lot of people saying recon is still OP / lights suck. I see a lot of lights in plat / diamond games doing very well and I see MUCH less recon being used now. It seems that its a lot better now?

[safe geyser]

Give me soldier skin

[wary hazel]

don't get me wrong it's much less broken than what it used to be but I feel like as long as it's continuous wallhacks it is just bad design. imo it should be either just a pulse (if this was the case I would be more than okay with its range being larger, or perhaps even pinging those locations for the team to see, if it is balanced correctly) - this might genuinely even make it more viable as an actual information support tool rather than just personal wallhack ..or it should have intentional lag where it displays player positions like a second or half a second into the past. i feel like it's supposed to be an information ability, not an actual wallhack, right? I think it's not healthy for an fps game in its state no matter if the range is short.

[plucky veldt]

godthem nuke carzy balance.
Two or three team members will be deleted.

[lilac wagon]

Have anyone noticed increased CPU usage after update? My 7600x was using 40% before update, not it stays near 75%. What’s going on? There’s no other task running on background and my cooler is spinning like crazy now.

[fiery harness]

rewasd i still being used by people and is a big problem with aim assist

[quick coyote]

I can't with nukes, seriously this game is not balanced, it's not fun getting NUKED every single instance. I want to watch the devs play their own game and watch them ponder at the mechanics they created when everyone is crutching on Nukes / Recon the game deserves it's low popularity fr fr

[hallow ruin]

Can I have an egg sticker here

[sinful gazelle]

I’m a heavy main myself and I gotta say I feel bad for y’all. Bc I be jump padding and nuking ppls without a problem. They do need to somehow fix it. Maybe add more “weight” to C4 bc 2 C4 on a red barrel isn’t shit but one gas or bomb mine will SLOW it down so much.

[dark umbra]

They are soon in the server, it’s in the server announcements section of the server, they are also times where you can see embark employees playing the game when looking at the people in the server

[stone crown]

All High/Epic settings. I'm at 45% CPU and 65% GPU. Lenovo Legion 5 3070ti and 12700H, with a laptop cooler

[hazy pollen]

More sensitivity steps like 45,556. Give us more digits after comma

[woeful void]

not only that but its very inconsistent at registering completion. took me 3 runs where i definitely saw damage on the enemy before it registered it

[sick marten]

If anyone from embark is reading this, the hotfix that dropped today hasn't fixed the game crashing on the EAC screen upon startup. It was working after the 1.5.5 patch but was broken again after the 1.6 patch and is still not working after the 1.6.1 hotfix and I have tried the following:

Restarting my computer

Re-installing the game

Re-installing EAC

Verifying the files

Any help resolving this issue is greatly appreciated.

[cosmic monolith]

hello, I am the only one who has crashes and once returned to the game, I play, win the round and I get kicked out at the end as if I had left the game + point and time penalty for replaying? It doesn't happen to me often but it just feels like I'm playing for nothing with this bug

[sleek saddle]

SAME! Idk what it used to be before the update but now it’s constantly pegged at 100% and the game stutters like crazy (9700K)

[obsidian solar]

Wtf happened to the sentry?!
Since update 1.6 the sentry is now harder to place in some spots (specifically broken walls and stuff) and it's harder to pick back up

[safe geyser]

Give me cool skins

[quick coyote]

i noticed that too! glad its not my imagination

[fossil walrus]

ReWASD is allowed. People use it to play with Joycons and other controllers that aren't natively supported for gyro. The Finals is supposed to detect ReWASD and turn off aim assist. Now if they've found a way around that then report the exploit.

#patch-notes message

[storm thunder]

@pm me back when nukes are removed, for now this shit game is uninstalled. one shot abilities shouldnt exist in this game. C4s shouldnt be allowed to be put on throwable objects, they said they nerfed it but didnt nerf shit, i can still put 2 c4s on a red canister and its still as fast as ever, maybe they only nerfed it on the gas canister? but who tf used the gas canister, every1 uses the red canister with 2 c4s on it.

[modern wedge]

suggestion: recon rework

in patch 1.6.0 we got a nerf on recon that made it so that recon works in a much more limited range. however, many people are still talking about how it hasnt really changed the fact that its still basically an exploit, and that the nerf didnt change much.
i have two ideas (only one should be implemented); the first being a flash reveal. instead of being a reservoir based move (like cloak), give it 3-5 charges that flash the enemy locations. (similar to cyphers ult in valorant)
the second would be changed so that instead of only being able to see close to you, you can only see far. this way, you can still plan for incoming enemies, but the ability wouldnt work up close.
what do you guys think?

[steep pollen]

recon, scarH, controller with aimassist and norecoil = you won the game

[nimble steppe]

Plz talk about mnk on console
So in the recent update they removed mnk support from XBOX and they knew there a lot people asking for mnk on console. They don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard while we playing with/against pc players?!!

And the game on pc support both inputs without any problems at all why they following DICE steps when they don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard for console while we play in PC lobby??!!
Look at the other games like call of duty and Fortnite and even Roblox it supports mouse and keyboard on console without any problems. This so stupid and makes me so frustrated. 🤬
When I play with mouse and keyboard on the console the game automatically turn off the aim assist when I written and a play with the controller again the aim assist is back automatically so when the divs nerve the aim assist on console a players they delete the mouse and keyboard on the on the consoles because the aim assist is not like before so this is the devs
problem not mien ?

TALK ABOUT IT PLZZZZZ😢
#WE_NAED_MNK_ON_CONSOLS_THE_FINALS

[frigid iris]

Hey devs when will we get performance tab ?

[undone belfry]

I guess you never played on controller. Its not that easy. Especially when you are on console, 60fps and input lag. Its very good on pc because of 120fps+ and like no input lag. But on console its way to sluggish. The fcars recoil is the issue. The pattern is the same for pc and console and way to easy to handle

[sudden tangle]

Obviously balancing L in ranked is something you can't do, Embark, so just implement role queue into ranked. Force it LMH. This will solve the balance issue since now everyone will have an L and casual can stay casual.

[white lily]

This will probably be something in competitive but not in Ranked

[tepid violet]

Oh here a PC player who never touched a controller in his life. Stop talking m8. Pc is much much stronger.

[flat shoal]

they didnt even nerf defib lmao

[proud ocean]

Could make sense. Something like what they does in overwatch where in ranked you have to choose a class, given that also the matchmaking time can vary depending on what you choose.

[dawn lichen]

Hi, I have a question , how to get a face for customization (the red-haired girl on the cover of the game "the finals", in a white mask in a yellow sweater and bulletproof vest) ???

[haughty relic]

With your money

[fossil walrus]

Mnk you mean. People on pc use controller too. And if you want the same ability as mouse then try gyro if you want to give up your AA

[oak kernel]

I would hate role queue for ranked. It just ruins an aspect of the game i love, creativity with composition. As the other classes are brought in line I feel light will feel better and better. Light isn't bad because light is bad, light is bad because the other two classes have crazy tools. I actually think light vs heavy isn't a super unbalanced matchup in a 1v1 atm personally

[dark umbra]

Add a mini gun to heavy, make it so if it’s shot for long it overheats, it’s hard to control recoil wise and is inaccurate, maybe can be mounted so it can be used more accurately and at longer ranges but can’t move, I don’t know your the smart people here embark

[soft gorge]

Mouse and keyboard support on consoles and input based matchmaking on the next update, please!

Devs, you are encouraging people on consoles to use xim/ chronus adaptors by ignoring the addition of MKB support, think about it! While you guys "do not have any news to share on that topic" I don't blame xim/ chronus users.

[gleaming tundra]

I agree, a hard to use but highly destructive weapon like that would be fun

[acoustic storm]

Please remove the melee auto lockon. It happens so often that you do a 180 degree swing to attack a target ourt of range

[native acorn]

xbox integrated anti-xim, so we good

[dark umbra]

What if the heavy had a 50 cal as their one of their main weapon, it would be a little bit destructive, can shoot though thin walls and doors with reduced damage, it would have a slow fire rate and increase how loud the players foot steps are, maybe the reason it’s destructive is because the gun is using explosive rounds, the recoil would be very high and it would have low ammo capacity for a lmg but high damage for an lmg, and the reload would have weight like needing to punch the box mag out and then slam the new one in

[tough kiln]

Hey Embark. I love this game but as long as C4 cheese barrels are in it I'm much less excited to play. When I think about what game I want to play each day I think "Do I feel like dealing with C4 nukes?" The last few weeks the answer has been no and I haven't played. I know I'm not the only one. My friends feel the same. Take it out and we'll be back I assure you.

[light hull]

Embarkers and CMs should get Free for all classic (DeatchMatch) like in the game quake, cash out is bad mode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AemqQuH37iMtr:yesegg:

[errant flame]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2073850/discussions/0/4202489789157663636/

[lapis pollen]

Three months later, knives received a small buff but it's still not viable.

Not to mention dagger, who still doesn't have a single buff even though it's probably the weakest weapon.

You just ignor them in every single patch!

Don't tell me it is ballanced, Embark. No wonder you are losing player. You can't even tell what is cool what is borring what is bad what is op.

[soft gorge]

No, you are not. People still use it on PS5 and PC and since the game is crossplay...

[narrow coral]

Carrot badge?

[sinful gazelle]

I think the main focus embark wanna work on is bugs and errors. And ofc balances changes.

Since when new players download the finals.they usually come to discord to ask for help. As someone that had errors and stuff when trying to start the game. It was bothersome so some players may even leave (and haven’t even played it at all) bc the game isn’t working at all. Errors and stuff need a very fine toning and fix so new players can come in and play without any problem. And balance changes is another topic too.

The start of player experience is important. At most a new player will decide if they want to stick to any game only 2 hours into the game. So making sure player experience can be as smoooth as it can so you can retain players base more often

[finite radish]

plat getting qued with silver is insane

[woeful void]

Previewing progression rewards and store items needs a rework. The game UI often hides what you are looking at and previewing tattoos etc are hidden due to your clothes - would be cool if the preview switched you to a vest or something.

[quick coyote]

DAY 2 OF ASKING FOR HEARABLE FOOTSTEP AUDIO

[ebon elbow]

Turn up ur volume, they legit talked about this in the update, ur just bad

[tawdry quail]

anyone else having problem inviting friends in party failed to connect?

[subtle oak]

Footsteps were annoying for me when I first started playing. Now that I’m used to the game I know where they are coming from.

They are definitely not the greatest, but it’s doable.

[twilit leaf]

fix ur game because it’s dying

[woeful void]

I have decent headphones and I can hear audio pretty accurately. If you are still having issues turn on night mode.

@twilit leaf for a dying game i seem to get a bunch of matches with no issues, hmmm. Maybe give actual feedback?

[dry kiln]

yes it is a bug. I've managed to replicate it more then once

[grizzled sphinx]

2 enemies run recon and the whole time your screen is spammed with "detected" very very distracting... Hope there will be a new setting to turn it off or change the opacity or something...

[twilit leaf]

A game can be dying without being dead 💀

[vernal rock]

wtf do i keep getting kicked for anti cheat? i dont have anything running except for my razer synapse and discord.. has only started happening recently

[light hull]

Change color team and hud

[bitter dome]

This game def going to die. Too much Velveeta in this. No one wants to play against these aids load outs in casual. And your teammates aren't ever there to help because they are either 1. Playing light or 2. Look like they never used a videogame in their life.

[modern wedge]

replay system?

[velvet latch]

In my opinion, I think tracking darts should counter towards detection quests. Since essentially, the tracking dart is constantly detecting the victim.
Maybe it should tick up on dart hit.
Also, I am tired of using the sonar grenade to ping these quests so some alt methods would make my day

[queen rover]

This game is objectively dying. It will be playable for a while but I expect EOS by the end of this year, unless the paypig whales really go all out

[cloud jungle]

Remove Recon

[paper stream]

Game is dead when it's dead. Many games have 5-10k players on steam and they are doing fine. This one will be similar so it won't die as you hope.

[pallid jetty]

players should only drop 70% of their coins on death in bank-it modes :)

[velvet latch]

I think people need to keep in mind three things. This isn't a pre established franchise, the devs don't have millions to throw around in marketing, and all games suffer a big drop in players after first launch.

[quick coyote]

Also, and I haven't heard anyone mention this yet, but the game also launched over Christmas break, more or less. There is going to be a massive player drop off from then until now as people return to school/work/life

[queen rover]

When you take a month off after release, yeah a lot of players tend to get frustrated and drop the game.

[woeful void]

maybe give actual feedback as to what you think would revive this "dying game"

[bitter dome]

The problem is this game can't decide what it wants to be. It's based around a hyper competitive game mode that requires a great deal of teamwork and coordination. The problem is all that goes out the window in casual which is what a majority or players play. So how do you balance a game around two completely opposite approaches?

[edgy wyvern]

Seems to work in hyper competitive games like CS too, why do you feel like it's not working in The Finals? I find quickplay fun whenever I play it

[dry kiln]

what you talking about bro. Every game is competitive and to say that the game doesn't know what it wants to be is far fetch. Might want to take a look at Duke Nukem Forver that was a game that didn't have identity. Also Fornite yrs back when it was in Alpha stage. This game has a identity it just needs work and the Team is small so give them a break.

[valid night]

buff LH1 damage by 1 or lower it's visual recoil

[plucky veldt]

Rank everywhere nuke, teammate just 1shot 2dead.

[harsh bay]

w game

[woeful void]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-michael-scott-gif-10951187

[quick coyote]

Please add a skin for sledge that looks like a default light unit. So when I play it looks like I'm whacking people with light class 🙏

[wraith jay]

I would like to see the following changes in a future update.

When you try to interact with the cash out or a revive while someone else is interacting with it, can we please get an audio queue that we cannot interact with it?

I would like an audio queue for when I attempt to use a gadget that is on cool down.

Also an audio queue when glitched would be nice.

Also please change the team colors. Why do we have pink, purple, and salmon in a game? Can we get standard colors? Blue, red, green, purple

[clever walrus]

Please add more namatama cosmetics, like the mask of the character in the ranked card, I love it

[pine needle]

Correct

CODMW2019 has about 1500-2000 and it's still playable. It dies when it's impossible to matchmake, or the devs shut down the servers.

[fallen sundial]

auto-sprint

[twilit leaf]

they do not know how to implement their feedback properly, this company is lost

[tawny oriole]

The developers of the game urgently need to do something , platinum in the same team with gold 3 and bronze . This is a sign of a lack of players. In other words, the game is dead.

[proper ore]

What do they mean "unauthorized activity"?
Second false ban now, is this just a file error of some sort or proper ban

[lusty burrow]

1/2

@dense niche Hello, after playing for a while, these are the things that I would solve in the short term to make it more enjoyable.

Heavy

I think this is the most controversial, since it is the one that currently dominates the games.

Lewis Gun: Decrease firing speed 10%
RPG-7: Only deals maximum damage when making a direct hit against the enemy.
C4: Quantity reduced from 2 to 1
Dome Shield: Health increase from 300 to 330
Mesh Shield: Mesh Shield Health reduced to 980 from 1100
Flamethrower: Charger reduced to 20 of 30
Slimy Gun: Decrease charger to 5 from 20

Why this change to heavy?
Personally I think that in a tank he should be able to resist enemy damage better but on the other hand he has to be able to inflict less explosive damage.

With these changes one ensured that the tank could not kill an entire team without using its main weapon.

Medium

FCAR: Charger increased to 25 from 20
SPA Torret: Can destroy any gadget attached to a throwable object (Like mines in barrels or pots)
Tracking Dart: It would be a good idea so that it is not so little used, that it keeps the enemy marked until he removes it with an animation
Incendiary Grenade: Greater range that allows you to turn off gas.
Guardian Turret: Increased DPS to 55 from 40

[warped hearth]

godthem nuke carzy balance

[paper stream]

rewasd users are mainly affected... So I would say it's a win! And @lusty burrow medium main, wanting medium to be giga chads in the game. Remember that heavy players have as huge as moon deathbox. Can't balance around size you play mate. Cmon!

[marble estuary]

What game are you even playing?

[woven briar]

Can’t compete against pc players on controller. Maybe bring back m&k to console? Make cross play fun again??

[woeful void]

some cool ideas here but turrets definitely need a nerf not a damage buff. Things have 100% accuracy even when evasive dashing all over the show and the health pool between medium and heavy

[fossil walrus]

Are you on PS5?

@tepid violet It takes practice like it does with mouse. It isn't imprecise. It's just not easy mode like AA is

[tepid violet]

Nah you did not understand me right. He’s crying cuz of AA on Controller but it’s a fact that MnK is stronger than Controller. I tried Gyro and I don’t know how people can play with it. Moving the Controller is so imprecise, yeah you can assist with the Thumbsticks but the technology is not fully developed atm

[sonic spoke]

no

[sinful gazelle]

As a heavy main. The real things I don’t really like is the Lewis decrease fire rate. I think it already and good balances already, plus if so, the M60 would be better but it still be shit. Both have around the same TTK but ppls want Lewis over M60 bc better range and better recoil. And mesh shield is acutally a only 20 HP decrease. Mesh shield is 1,000 HP, not 1,100 HP, they change it in the past patches.

For the goo gun, 20 to 5 is a lot. I would rather recommend a 15 or keep how it is right now. It’s very underused so I don’t think there any point of changing the goo gun. Plus changing to only 5 shots make it just a goo nade (which have like 5 goo in the nade?) so yeah if it did lower to 5 shots in goo gun. It would be very trash and not balanced..

Also fcar doesn’t need a 25 amoo count especially if there no trade off

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here's some suggestions, I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:

• While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
• Lunge distance (90% of the fight become a chase you can't win, the other classes have ways to block enemies, slow them down or catch up to them, even heavies have RPG to finish people off if they use sledge)
• Increase damage from 84 to 90 (to kill heavies in 4 hits instead of 5)
• Add a charge like attack, to activate it press the attack button while blocking kinda like charge N slam, of course less powerful and without the destruction effect, it would add variety, also all the other melee weapons have two attacks)

IMPROVE MELEE TRACKING:

• Some weapons like the Dagger have an insane lock that is not needed, on the other hand the Riot Shield has a very weak lock, you can't even hit people in your face sometimes. Consider increasing the angle at which the lock works and reduce the lock strenght on the Dagger

FIX THE DAGGER BACKSTAB:

• Backstabs with the Dagger are the most incosistent thing I've ever seen, a lot times either nothing happens or it's not backstab even though you're right behind them and other times it is when you're literally in front of them.
• Increase the backstab hitboxes because the latency of the servers causes this problems
• Make it so you can hold the backstab and it's not a forced animation, revert it like it was in the Open Beta

NERF THE DEAD GO BOOM:

• This event is extremly unfair for melee users, you cannot avoid it if you get a kill
• Either increase the time before the explosion to at least 3 seconds OR make it so the explosions don't damage players but only the enviroment

[lusty burrow]

2/2
@dense niche

Light

Concealment device
The operation of concealment is now the same as thermal vision, when deactivated for any reason it enters cooldown mode.

• Cooldown for damage taken set to 1.5s
• Recharge time set to 12s (It cannot be used until it is fully charged.)

M11: increased vertical recoil when holding fire
Sword: Main attack damage reduced to 60 from 74
XP-54: Damage increased to 20 from 18 and magazine reduced to 25 from 30.
SR-84: Reduce scope zoom, magazine reduced to 4 from 6 and DPS reduced to 60 from 90
LH1: change the shooting animation to something less unstable and magazine increased to 23 from 15
Stun Gun: Increase the precision necessary to hit the shot
Motion Sensor: Detection range increased by 20%
Smoke Grenade: Now it is an impact grenade and the smoke expands faster.

Others

Goo: Increased resistance to gunshots

I hope that some can be taken into consideration, I think that each one would have to have their most defined role, the middle one plus a doctor or an engineer, the light one is like a fragile but deadly infiltrated spy and the heavy one is a mass of destruction and the best support but at the cost of the damage it can cause.

I hope to be able to see some of the ideas that I have given, I know that not all of them will be liked, others may not fit with your idea regarding the game or that are even worse than what already exists, I cannot imagine all the effects that there may be.

But I would like to see the characters a little more balanced so that I don't have to take the medium to avoid dying or the tank to kill.

Now I'm the one who's going to read.

[quick coyote]

Hey bud, just a couple observations here. The Meta is currently mostly dominated by mediums. Not sure why you feel heavy is so oppressive unless it's nuke related which many players have expressed their feedback.

Given how FCAR is already the most powerful weapon, increasing its clip size is unnecessary and the guardian turret is already very strong. Buffing it further to the extent you're suggesting is way too much.

I'm not sure how much time you've put into the game or what modes you're playing but I would disagree that this approach balances things.

It would only make currently problematic builds more problematic. Anyway, that's my opinion, you have every right to disagree as well.

[sleek saddle]

@quick coyote after todays hotfix the problem in the message im repling to has dissapeared! if the team did anything, many thanks!

[low nacelle]

fix this model plz 😭 mah boi looking like a dark souls snake man

[south surge]

idc if I sound cocky, the day this game releases a ranked solo 1v1v1 quickcash is the day I get diamond in a day

[flat plaza]

I honestly hate the melee tracking because it's disorienting for me and the baton often swings over the heads of Lights when tracking somehow.

You can either Melee+Quick 3 times or 4 normal Melees + 1 Quick, these both take about the same amount of time.

I 100% agree with Dead Go Boom completely shutting down dashless melee and still chunks you even then. A timer is needed.

[woeful void]

or better yet dead go boom just does massive environmental damage. It's a terrible game event literally punishing people for winning their fights

[low plover]

THE FKN LORE MESSAGE AT THE START UP OF THE GAME IS FKN SIIIIICCKKK

[lapis pollen]

It's frustrating that dev don't know how bad dagger is.

[lusty burrow]

I think that the medium one is the most played because it is the only one that is more balanced, in general, people carry either reconnaissance or the healing gun and the fcar I think it has just the right amount to kill one yes, you are not the one most skilled of all, I have thought a little about those slightly less skilled players.

I hope my comment works to get ideas, not to apply them as is.

[fallen sundial]

Spectator Mode when you finished the round early (In tournament or in Ranked)

[ebon elbow]

Pls add input based matchmaking so we can have mnk support on consoles next update

[wise hamlet]

From what I've seen so far, it seems like the devs are actually pretty in-tune with what is performing well and what isn't (in comparrison to other games out at the moment). Wouldn't shock me if they're cooking something up for the dagger tbh.

[quick coyote]

Me again bud! I feel like this might be directed more towards quick cash or bank it game modes?

In ranked play light is nearly unplayable. They desperately need buffs and avoid extensive nerfs as you've suggested here.

I can't say that I feel any of these proposed changes are beneficial to the player base and overall health of the game.

My suggestion would be to try out ranked modes and all classes and then see if you still feel the same

[sour bane]

Dead game until Recon Sense actually gets reworked instead of a "nerf".

[paper stream]

Let me fix it for you: "It's dead game for me until Recon Sense actually gets reworked instead of a 'nerf'" - It's alive and we are having fun buddy. Have a nice evening! 🙂 Generalization is bad. When you are frustrated you would like to know the best and share it but that's not how it works in real life. Go touch some grass, talk with friends, get some positive attitude towards life.

[woeful void]

Its good and bad at the same time, that things charged attack is disgusting

[real dagger]

FIX THE SYSTEM INTEGRITY ISSUES

[queen ocean]

Another Cheater in tournaments, he is up 28 kills lasers everybody from far

[sinful gazelle]

Or good at game? Good at recon control, recoil smoothing, mirroring? Unless they 90 degrees prefect turn and then maybe you’re right.

[surreal ore]

option for disable anti aliasing, this game is a blurry mess because of taa

[woeful void]

Please consider making a pass over the weapon recoil.

right now it is quite biased towards MnK.

Certain weapons like the M60. LH1, lewis gun and Fcar are so unpredictable to control with a gamepad ( aim assist is a bit janky which doesn't help too)

The combination of strong vertical and horizontal recoil while trying to aim and manoeuvre with analog sticks makes some weapons unviable if using a gamepad.

I play on PC with a gamepad, so this comes from the perspective of someone who has adapted and able to hold their own while playing multiple FPS games vs MnK players, but the recoil here is over the top.

And before I get crucified by the MnK elitists, what i'm suggesting benefits everyone, not just giving more aim assist which is not needed.

[stone crown]

Suggestion:

Require career level 15-20 before being able to play in ranked tournaments

[real dagger]

Suggestion: FIX THE SYSTEM INTEGRITY ISSUES

[jagged pike]

How about a Tactical thing for lights and a new spec. When active and you call out an enemy, it tells the team if they're a threat (Player with Recon active or Player with RPG)

[paper stream]

Don't cheat - no intergrity issues - boom, problem solved! 🙂

[sour bane]

Embark lied. They didn't rework or overhaul Recon Sense as they said they were going to do. They only nerfed it. Stop lying to us.

[rare maple]

add a hotdog skin for throwing knives

[steep pollen]

i played consol for a long time before don't talk about something you don't have a clue and here is a feedback not debat channel thx

[eager shard]

non recon user here saying bring back old recon noise instead of putting detected on my screen. give option to turn off

[tepid violet]

You are a clown mate. Saying AA is stronger than MnK is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. No pro use Controller cuz it’s not as good as MnK you are just salty cuz you’re trash at the Game and getting destroyed every round. Don’t @ me again nobody

[vernal rock]

please sort out the anti cheat... i keep getting kicked without nothing running... games going to die if the playerbase cant even play

[earnest sierra]

dude wtf are you talking abt? you fking the whole class in this way lol? more than it already fked

[round folio]

This game is one big joke it needs to go in a hole and just die already everything the dev's have done is just terrible so far but hopefully they fix it

[drifting tiger]

it'd be nice to know when your flashbangs work, similar to feedback from poison gas or fire ticks

[native acorn]

“Needs to go in a hole and just die already” “hopefully they fix it”

[signal basin]

I would love less explosions and more aim. Fcar nerf, light dps boost.
Color shield is a pretty good thing
New skin and mode are fun.
List of skin for level and boost to lvk 50 is good too

[potent raven]

Please for the love of god nerf the lewis gun damage

[steep pollen]

Just so you know, pro we don't give a F about their life because we aren't at this level, i'm far from being trash as you say and to track people AA is far better than mouse while mouse is better at flickering, i saw scarH guys killing ppl really far without touching the pad so i know what i saw so stay respectfull and calm down thx kiddo

[sinful gazelle]

Why tho, any reasons? Just sounds like a skill issues atm

[paper stream]

Haha, another clown with useless feedback 😄 Wrt. lewis gun - a decent fcar player kills me faster than I can kill him with lewis gun. You want hevies to what? Pretend to bne in the game?

[round folio]

I can not like a game in it's current state but still hope it gets better so I can enjoy it

[rocky anchor]

Lul

[noble nimbus]

yknow what might be cool, seeing this game has alot of customization, being able to put 2 skins on one gun. I would love to use the animated fcar runner skin, with the twinkle skin. But I can't, and twinkle is more of a flex so I haven't used the runner skin in forever. Call Of Duty does this with blueprints, you can use a blueprint and then add a camo to make something more unique. Or maybe just more customization options for the gun, maybe different camo colors on different parts?

[sour bane]

Light needs more team utility or faster health regeneration.

Reason being, the team utility of Light is to be a harasser, fight clean up, etc. But in a coordinated environment, any little ticks of damage on the low HP of Light means they're out of the fight for 10+ seconds, which is a lot of time in the game. During that 10 seconds, Light doesn't do anything other than wait (because of its low team utility gadgets/equipment). The game currently also has a lot of damage breakpoints that chunk a significant majority of Light's low HP, if not, completely killing them (like Nukes, Explosive Mines, or RPGs, or Gas Mines).

My suggestions:

1. Increase health of Light by 25 - 50 HP. 25 is likely ideal.
2. Increase health regeneratin by 2x, so 5 seconds will kick in health regeneration. This means that during a fight, Light can get back in faster, without wasting as much time just waiting. This also doesn't make Light "overpowered" in casual, as it only affects mid-fight
3. Give Light more team utility, or buff the current items, like Motion Sensor, or Glitch Grenade.
4. Give Light more objective utility, such as faster capping for Cash Out, or let Glitch disable Cash Out progress temporarily.

~ Feedback from a ranked-only Light that wants to get back to this game.

I am aware that Light is very good in uncoordinated settings like casual and/or pubs, so I know balance will need to be delicate as to not tip it in favor against casual/pub players in order to bring them up to balance in ranked. So my suggestions take that into account.

And unfortunately, as it currently stands, Med (and slightly Heavy) is the dominant ranked meta, which isn't surprising. But this just means the game is becoming more like a generic arena-style shooter, instead of the fun sandbox-y nature that makes The Finals a differentiator. If this is becoming BF/CoD, then I don't see why people will play this game over other well-developed FPS shooters instead?

[potent raven]

In like a 2 meter face to face shootout the heavy outgunned me even though i got first shot and i was hitting headshots. I was also using the fcar. Told you. exactly. the heavy shouldnt have more health and do more damage than a medium. Idk still seems unfair. Idk how to fix it though either so whatever

[quick coyote]

Holy shit melee AA is so bad today. What happened?! TURN IT THE FUCK OFF

[errant flame]

Light should be turned from an harrasser AND and assassin and even a head on duelling killing machine into a teamplay oriented harrasser and recon indeed.
No changes to HP or regen.
Reduce all light weapons damage by 30% except for maybe a knife. And nerf sword even more.
Give extra 2 dash charges. Give extra 1 hook charge.
Improve motion sensors.
Make stun gun last only 2 secs and make it possible to ADS, but stun gun now has 2 charges.
Give Light an APS turret and that medium's tracking rifle, but with 2 charges.
+invent some teamplay oriented gadgets for him

[sinful gazelle]

Lewis against medium (TTK 1.13)
Fcar against heavy (TTK 1.30)

Wait let me do it again. Dammm Lewis is a absolute medium killer lol. To be fair. You have lower HP, so that’s proby why you get killed faster aginast a Lewis

Fcar (250 DPS) does do put more output DPS then Lewis (200 DPS) there that too.

[earnest sierra]

light only needs the health regeneration speed to be 5s and that's it

[vernal rock]

any plans to fix the anti cheat error bug?

[glossy scaffold]

SA servers are super laggy rn for some reason

[smoky gust]

I agree with most of this
personally I think we could either share or straight up move some intel items from medium to light

but I don't agree with the damage nerfs

id actually go so far as to say they should get a buff in that regard too
but I wouldn't increase damage/regen, instead I would slow them down way less when aiming down sight, so that they can try to dodge shots while being accurate
it would add more depth and a new way of skill expression, while being more effective with good players in ranked, where light suffers more

[magic field]

Not sure if reported. But if you explode a ladder, anyone on the ladder is stuck in climbing but also unable to climb. You have to disembark the ladder that does not exist anymore. Would make sense if you just fell off.

[errant flame]

Nah. Everyone can kill everyone pretty much the same, except heavy being the worst at it since his increased HP isn't enough to match bad hitbox, bad speed and maneuvrability, bad accuracy, bad DPS and abilities that strip him of his weapons to even put him on equal terms with other two classes. And while combat power is roughly the same for all three classes, the other two and especially the light get a clear advantage in speed and map mobility, as well as engagement and disengagement potency.
Light should be the fastest and most mobile, but with weakest weapons and HP. Heavy should be slowest and least mobile, but with strongest weapons and HP. Medium in between. But this isn't the case right now and it's not just unbalanced, it destroys the meaning of having different weight classes. And in the end, the guy with smallest guns shouldn't be the DPS of the game.

[proven pelican]

buff the riot shield that shit sucks but it's fun

[drifting pawn]

would be nice to be able to equip certain style items together with others, like sunglasses + bandana. if the 2 items dont contradict each other they should be able to pair up. just have to add some sort of "layer" variable to indicate which layer(s) the item covers

[smoky gust]

I think my request is in line with that though

don't change damage or hp of light, instead let them use their increased mobility during a fight more
that way good players can counteract their enemies better aim at high levels of play

[errant flame]

But that would make an already top gunner light even stronger, while he needs to get weaker in terms of gunplay/gunfight.

[quick coyote]

Have you played ranked? Light isn't even good. You don't need to nerf then more

[sour bane]

Light needs more team utility or faster health regeneration for ranked.

Reason being, the team utility of Light is to be a harasser, fight clean up, etc. But in a coordinated environment, any little ticks of damage on the low HP of Light means they're out of the fight for 10+ seconds, which is a lot of time in the game. During that 10 seconds, Light doesn't do anything other than wait (because of its low team utility gadgets/equipment). The game currently also has a lot of damage breakpoints that chunk a significant majority of Light's low HP, if not, completely killing them (like Nukes, Explosive Mines, or RPGs, or Gas Mines).

My suggestions:

1. Increase health of Light by 25 - 50 HP. 25 is likely ideal.
2. Increase health regeneratin by 2x, so 5 seconds will kick in health regeneration. This means that during a fight, Light can get back in faster, without wasting as much time just waiting. This also doesn't make Light "overpowered" in casual, as it only affects mid-fight
3. Give Light more team utility, or buff the current items, like Motion Sensor, or Glitch Grenade.
4. Give Light more objective utility, such as faster capping for Cash Out, or let Glitch disable Cash Out progress temporarily.

~ Feedback from a ranked-only Light that wants to get back to this game.

I am aware that Light is very good in uncoordinated settings like casual and/or pubs, so I know balance will need to be delicate as to not tip it in favor against casual/pub players in order to bring them up to balance in ranked. So my suggestions take that into account.

And unfortunately, as it currently stands, Med (and slightly Heavy) is the dominant ranked meta, which isn't surprising. But this just means the game is becoming more like a generic arena-style shooter, instead of the fun sandbox-y nature that makes The Finals a differentiator. If this is becoming BF/CoD, then I don't see why people will play this game over other well-developed FPS shooters instead?

[honest harness]

Just give lights a gas mask as a gadget. Should be enough. Gas is the only real enemy for us 😉

[hollow dune]

cap

[sinful gazelle]

PTSD, medium turret.

[quick coyote]

see, thats why im asking for a FCAR/Lewis nerf
lights don't actually need any buffs or anything, its just that majority of players are playing with these guns and they are deadly for lights. and also, if you use any other gun besides these two, even as a medium/heavy you are in disadvantage. even if you headshot, if the player using FCAR headshot you first, you are done.

[quick coyote]

The fact that bf is lumped in with cod now makes me so sad. I miss the bad company 2 days. But I agree, finals brought back chaotic destruction in a good way. If they want to go bf/cod then might as well close shop now

[rich fox]

if all classes start their health regen at 10 seconds, then change it.

light: 5 seconds.
medium: 7.5 seconds.
heavy: 10 seconds.

[bleak coral]

make it so theres no health regen only way to heal is heal beam

[errant flame]

For current balance, as it is right now, make it vice versa and I'll sign under this.

[hollow dune]

every gun is deadly to lights because of the 150 health what are u talking about 🤣

[obsidian solar]

That would make it the most meta thing in the game, triple Medium would have an Extreme upper hand

[solid narwhal]

Yo is kbm back on console in the new patch?

[fallen sundial]

Ping and hud opacity

[quick coyote]

not as deadly as these two, a light can have a fair 1v1 with any other weapon in this game except shotguns/gl

[fiery comet]

fix ur game please the damn nukes are to broken

[night spruce]

i wont even play this game until you give an option to disable TAA anti aliasing, or give a render res slider to 200%, once you move at 1080p/1440p, game looks blurry and nasty, whats with the trees in the test range, morphing shape

[hollow dune]

I got one question when you're in a shootout what is your go-to strategy

@fiery comet C4 shouldn't be doing 350 damage like tf special when c4 team wipes. so many people cry about medium builds I die 80% from explosives.

[violet elbow]

so basically every weapon except fullauto guns AND ALSO fullauto guns are deadly to light...

do you understand what you basically just said

[eager shard]

bronze experts sharing their best ideas

[sour bane]

Light needs more team utility or faster health regeneration for ranked.

Reason being, the team utility of Light is to be a harasser, fight clean up, etc. But in a coordinated environment, any little ticks of damage on the low HP of Light means they're out of the fight for 10+ seconds, which is a lot of time in the game. During that 10 seconds, Light doesn't do anything other than wait (because of its low team utility gadgets/equipment). The game currently also has a lot of damage breakpoints that chunk a significant majority of Light's low HP, if not, completely killing them (like Nukes, Explosive Mines, or RPGs, or Gas Mines).

My suggestions:

Increase health of Light by 25 - 50 HP. 25 is likely ideal.
Increase health regeneratin by 2x, so 5 seconds will kick in health regeneration. This means that during a fight, Light can get back in faster, without wasting as much time just waiting. This also doesn't make Light "overpowered" in casual, as it only affects mid-fight
Give Light more team utility, or buff the current items, like Motion Sensor, or Glitch Grenade.
Give Light more objective utility, such as faster capping for Cash Out, or let Glitch disable Cash Out progress temporarily.

~ Feedback from a ranked-only Light that wants to get back to this game.

I am aware that Light is very good in uncoordinated settings like casual and/or pubs, so I know balance will need to be delicate as to not tip it in favor against casual/pub players in order to bring them up to balance in ranked. So my suggestions take that into account.

And unfortunately, as it currently stands, Med (and slightly Heavy) is the dominant ranked meta, which isn't surprising. But this just means the game is becoming more like a generic arena-style shooter, instead of the fun sandbox-y nature that makes The Finals a differentiator. If this is becoming BF/CoD, then I don't see why people will play this game over other well-developed FPS shooters instead?

[fresh vessel]

Anyone else had the issue of the game crashing mid ranked game and then saying you disconnected leaving you suspended? happened to me twice the past few days

[quick coyote]

everything is deadly to lights, the enviromental fire alone are able to kill them with no mercy. but as someone who plays with both medium and lights, i think its completely fair. they are fast, have good mobility, their weapons have insanely good dps. i don't feel like i need any buff while im playing, its just sucks to play agaisnt FCAR or Lewis even when im playing medium with akm, revolver or shotgun

[earnest ermine]

Lights are unrealistically small. If we assume that in universe, peoples avatars are their exact body type and not something they have control over. Then why do lights look so weird, their proportions look so off compared to what somebody of that height would actually look like (at least to my eyes)

[brisk garden]

im so tired of playing against top 10 players in the world. just match me against my rank what the fuck

[smoky gust]

all i ever heard is that light is unviable for ranked
i almost exclusively play quick cash and frequently see lights doing decently well and thus wanted to come up with a potential solution that doesn't change too much for "casual" players but gives ranked players a deeper and skill based option in gunfights, which i think my suggested change represents

(dont want to wait 15 minutes)
i never said i want light to dominate
that's your opinion on what you think could happen if things go south
i for my part think that the average quick play light will not think too much of their movement or wont be good enough to make sufficient use of it during a gunfight and that it will thus not make a major difference outside of ranked

[fiery comet]

group up and rush even our heavyy is not safe from nukes

[errant flame]

I don't play ranked either. But what you suggest would make it stronger both in quick cash and ranked. So you want light to be viable in ranked and want to make it dominate quick cash even more.
But what I'm suggesting will make lights weaker in quick cash, as it should be, and more useful in ranked.

[hallow ruin]

#MakeTheFinalsGreatAgain

[eternal gorge]

let us create private lobbies with multiple teams so that I can play with more than two friends at a time please and thanks.

[daring fossil]

let me ping after I die

[nocturne flare]

Add a server rank above Finalist!

[civic plover]

this is a terrible idea. A good light can still decimate in ranked. Your suggestions are the definition of overpowered it's not funny

[loud night]

anyone got a clip of that cutscene with the announcers talking? i only caught the last few seconds of it, didnt expect there to be something when i launched

[jagged pike]

Top 3 kills during a game as an Instant Replay. Do it at the end of each match, 3/4 seconds a clip

[twilit sorrel]

How about dem nukes!!! Still here…still require no skill…