👂┇game-feedback

[smoky storm]

I'm actually speechless, I literally have no response to this.

This is actually more stupid than flat earther theory. Not even trolling you. I rate you lower than I do flat earthers. I have never been this disappointed in another person in my entire life.

[fickle vector]

this is real, still nerf it tho. @livid oasis i agree, at the end of the day there's gonna be meta changes and updates. you just gotta go with the flow until they fix it.

[winter laurel]

recon senses is ruining the game for me. id rather go against 100 turrets and heal beams than some aim assist AK that always knows im coming. RPG is absolutely dog water as well but at least its got a long CD and generally only gets 1 kill per use

[rocky verge]

turret kill em?

[deep perch]

definitely not true, the support still exists, their role is now to call out other teams though. Ofc you don't have an extra dps you get from the turret or the healing from the beam, but it's still a support ability and it's working its role. The only issue I could see with it is with randoms not having mics to comm with but that goes for any ability.

[tough kiln]

Lol every "argument" you made is moot. You gave me a list of things you automatically do in a shooter. Recon makes literally all of that so much easier. You sound like you only play with recon because you are so bad at the game you need it broken as a crutch just to compete.

And I see you typing. You can argue all day but you are only going to continue having multiple people say you are full of shit and the rest blast your comments with a bunch of silly reactions. It's broken. They need to fix it to balance the game. Hopefully you will get better when you don't have your crutch to rely on.

[blissful bridge]

If you don't like this game and it's style of gameplay than I suggest you uninstall the game and find one that you do enjoy.

I don't like you advocating for change in a game that others enjoy just because YOU don't like the game.

I wish you well but I whole heartedly disagree with you.

Go play something you enjoy.

@tough kiln I never play recon, I main guardian turrets.

I also have never had a problem with recon users in my games to the extent that I'll cry for nerfs.

You said....
"I see you typing"

Ohhh so scary

[smoky storm]

@tough kiln

Rage Aimbot does require skill to use and good hand-eye coordination.

It doesn't shoot for you.

It doesn't move you.

It doesn't give information to the team.

It just gives you accuracy.

The rest is entirely dependent on the player's own personal skill.

Activate Aimbot and stand take your hand off your MNK. Let me know how that works out for you.

@fading yoke so your existence got countered by rage aimbot, so now you want rage aimbot changed.

Think about it.

[low patrol]

i think the more space between the single lines the better the argument

[quick coyote]

YEP

[lime fable]

Yo genuine question, what up with aim assist

[fading yoke]

I think he's actually just trolling because all of his arguments are completely nuts and if he's being serious, he's absolutely dogshit in fps games :D

[hushed spoke]

Why should we spawn so far away when we have a cashout? Me and my team literally had gas on the cashout, and we had enough time to spawn and get there if we were close, yet the game spawned us ACROSS the map from our cashout, no chance to defend. Please let us spawn close to our cashout rather than across the map where we lose the game cause of it.

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/1PCYKl-FKbAkIL/d1337c2TMgi5?invite=cr-MSwzQ3gsMzE0NDEyOTIs

[foggy orbit]

Though it's actually kind of impressive to see how hard he is trying to downplay recon senses, literally is on demand wallhacks and is identical in function to what cheaters have in their arsenal.

[undone palm]

i agree

[coral hawk]

Recon taking skill is the biggest cope ive ever heard. Recon doesnt belong in this game.

[lavish shard]

I hope so stungun big nerf 🙏🙏

[quick coyote]

Pls replace leaving mates in ranked by other 😦 rr lost for nothing when they are tilted & play 1v3v3v3

[solemn coral]

The amount of times I've lost a game cuz of spawning on the opposite side of the map is insane, ESPECIALLY in the final round of a tournament

[tough kiln]

Lmao I wasn't trying to scare you. I just saw you were typing and knew it would be a silly petty response out of anger so I thought I'd try to save you the trouble.

Just because people criticize something doesn't mean they hate the game or are just bad. Often times it means they like the game enough to care about it succeeding (I said that already but you don't seem to listen to shit when people disagree with you).

People have criticized the turret and I have spent just as much time arguing that the only problem I have with it is its hitbox (it needs to be more consistent, half the time my shots don't register). Aside from that its damage and HP are fine to me because there are so many ways to counter it. Is it good? Yes. It needs to be a threat otherwise it would be worthless.

[uncut pier]

So first game of the day, I arrive in a game of tournament alone since the very starts I leave the game and I got a 10 minutes penalty when I always reconnected before. What is that? Fix this ASP, this is frustrating AF...

[lime fable]

Do you remember when games were fun instead of sweaty, everyone thinks there in an esports final, maybe im just old but i came to this game for the fun and unique concepts now they nerf aim assit and my games have become weird stand offs where people cant shoot shit the flow and casual fun is gone for me, maybe i should get good but damn i dont have time to play like kids do

[half pagoda]

Rejoin system
it can't be that if my game crashes for some inexplicable reason that i can wait in the lobby and not rejoin.

Idea: If a game crashes, you have X minutes to start the game and can rejoin via the "Rejoin" button, after the 5 minutes any player can join as usual

[quick coyote]

💀
If update is not enough, This game will die surely.
Your next game will die also.
And people remember the dev who ruin game.
🤣
There is no second chance now.

[keen steppe]

The thing is nowadays people are lot better at video games in general. So the average skill is going up. Sorry to say it but you cant expect to be good at something if you dont invest time to get good. Thats not how life works.

[smoky storm]

There's no such thing as being sweaty, everyone has always tried their best in all multiplayer games, that's the entire point of them. That's what makes them fun - seeing yourself improve over time and getting better. Why else would you choose to play against other people?

[amber compass]

so u want free aimbot as u cant get good?

[merry creek]

Yeah same here buddy, hopefully the new update saves it

[oak kernel]

Recon and defibs both need reworks. One gives so much info it's overwhelmingly required to have one on the team. The other is so insanely good that not having it is literally throwing.

C4 should only have 1 charge. Breach charges should have the current c4 charge count. They don't do as much damage, and they're mainly for blowing up walls. Logically you should have more of them

[twilit lily]

Saves what? People WANT competitive games. Not for fun games. Look at the bigger shooters that have been around for YEARS and still have massive amounts of players. They are ALL competitive, have tournaments, active esport scenes and teams etc. List goes on.
People DO NOT like "for fun" casual shooters these days. It's a thing of the past. People want/love competition these days especially because of CONTENT creation. It's simply not as fun to watch. Look at Twitch viewership as well, this games brand new and is lower than same genre games and even off genre games that are AGES old.
I understand some people who are bad just want to have "fun" but unfortunately fun games these days don't sell or last as long.

[upper citrus]

c4 and breaching charge are fine but they just need to not do player damage when they're on props. you have 1 less breaching charge because its not meant for big destruction its meant for opening a hole in a room to shoot from or enter through

[obsidian solar]

I half agree, yeah most of the time i just play at max strength but there are other where i wanna chill and play let's say "worse" on purpose. Example the other day I play with a friend of mine he's not that good at all so the lobbies (sbmm is there) where much easier. Instead of playing the objective full time i wanted to mess around, went for mainly kills and still won

[queen rover]

Update when

[cunning cedar]

honestly I think thats not the case, probably the opposite. the recent aim assist change are a very good example, the have reduced the strenght to a reasonable level (still stronger than AA was in older games) and some people act like they have completely removed it and they allegedly can't hit anything now. (definitely not the case)
then there is SBMM/EOMM in modern games, which we didn't have to this degree 5-6 years ago.

[quick coyote]

Pls anti cheat 😭

[rocky verge]

hehehehe, gas mines are always the best bet against cheaters, gas and turret

[sacred siren]

I'm with you on this. Recon is one of the only abilities that scales with the player, those with better decision making and aim will benefit more with the increased information. It's arguably the only ability that has a skill curve.

I do, however, think that it should be adjusted, one of the biggest issues that I have with it is that you can turn it off and on on demand. Make it charge based, so people that use it at suboptimal times are punished and it is more effective on the player that can determine the best times to use those charges and not waste them.

[drifting pawn]

feature request: let us name our teams. missed opportunity to make the game feel very dyanmic with the AI announcers being able to read the custom team names. you already have filtering in place for user names, just use some for vulgar team names too. pre-defined word list: nahhh whack. go all in or not at all

[low patrol]

I think it is more about the amount of effort one puts in to gather this information, and how much information you get from it, with it currently just being a huge amount for very little effort. The only thing that is being considered currently would probably be the opportunity cost of not using medigun.

[blissful bridge]

"It needs to be a threat or otherwise it would be worthless."

That's what I'm trying to say about all equipment.

I'm not against criticism. The turret does need a better hitbox and I consider that a good opinion.

I've seen good opinions about the recon senses that I agree with as well.

I'm against ignorant opinions that stem from anger, skill, and competitive issues and players who think that all FPS titles need to play the same.

So when a player says "X ability killed me, please nerf." I call it out.

Same when someone says "I lost cashout by one second, please add time.".

You got eliminated.

You lost the cashout.

The game doesn't need to be changed so you can win.

The recon works as intended.

A good opinion on the Recon.

It needs to be rolled back to it's previous state before it got buffed and THEN we see where it stands before adjusting it further.

They could make gas, fire, and smoke interfere with the ability too.

It needs to stay a threat or it becomes useless.

I'm not saying it doesn't need balancing.

I'm saying most opinions regarding how it should be balanced are wrong.

EDIT:
They need to add an audio clue for it similar to invisibilty.

[smoky storm]

Just use a dark souls message style system where you get 2-3 words, but all come from a pre-defined list

[naive flicker]

This game should be seen as an arcade shooter. It's competitive yes but not in the traditional sense. Notice how we have infinite ammo and unlimited ability and gadgets but go on cooldown. This game is a great mix of both competitive and fun. Pre AA patch this game was awesome. Now everyone plays extremely slow and careful otherwise you get beamed by an automatic weapon. Everyone is scared to use anything else because it's off meta now. Before everyone used everything because everything was viable. This game doesn't need to be like every other shooter. The way it felt was its own identity. If PC players can't understand that I want a separate sandbox for console.

[serene nova]

🔥

[oak kernel]

If you don't think recon is a problem currently, you might not play ranked at all. Getting beamed the second you spawn in is pain. Not being able to approach from creative angles is pain. Not being able to get away and revive is pain. It simply is way too simple of an ability. It should work like sonars, or be strictly motion detection imo. I think it should also be clearly visible that it's being used. Like a pulse coming out or glowing eyes that are easily visible. Every other ability is very clear that it's being used besides recon imo. It's just too free for how much power it has. Being cross map is also insane.

Is an ability that is NOT fun to fight against. All abilities should be fun and interesting both ways

[molten trail]

Unrelated maybe, but removing recon sense and nerfing nukes would make the game both more fun and competitive. I agree we want crazy / fun stuff but it shouldn't be over the top, and ppl shouldn't have wallhacks.

[lime fable]

Let me elaborate, i dont give a shit about aim assist being weak or strong, the flow of the game is what i care about, if standoffs r what u want in the game then so be it, everyone cares about gun skill when in reality its just about calibrating ur settings. If u sat down and payed attention to ur aim ur would start to realise ur consistent inconsistent with ur aim meaning u do the same shit, personally im just looking for fun and outsmarting ur opponent, ur brain can be used for more than just aim but that seems to be the thing people only care about.

[lunar creek]

Cheater using the sledgehammer from a long distance in ranked. Please do something about this. The pink and purple team were teaming up as well. Red team just left due to the cheater.

[glass fjord]

Well thats a new one for me holy fuck

[forest creek]

remove "the dead go boom" event no one see it fun, even if u died and killed someone from it its not satisfying and nothing, its just annoying shit event! 🙏

[fading yoke]

https://i.imgur.com/yLhzYFq.jpeg same stuff here

[tough kiln]

I agree with @oak kernel. They explained well why it is overtuned. People aren't saying "recon sense kills us so it needs a nerf." They are saying "recon is way too strong and needs to be dialed back or taken out." I don't think it needs to be taken out but it definitely needs a heavy nerf or rework.

Also, for the love of god stop putting a space in between every line. It was an effort for me to just read your comment and it takes up so much of the feed it's obnoxious.

I have nothing else to say on this so I'm done talking about it lol. Have a good day.

@quick coyote You should change your name to Colin Robinson.

[quick coyote]

Dev abandon the game
Lets go to ARC RAIDERS NOW

[quick coyote]

Uhhh do you have the full video of that

[short mesa]

Please devs just add keyboard and mouse support to ps5 bro 🙏🙏

[queen rover]

Controller dads getting exposed so hard after AA changes haha

[low patrol]

i honestly dont even really notice when its on

[ruby timber]

Remove low gravity. Terrible.

[restive scaffold]

Give the sniper 100% air accuracy.

[naive flicker]

I can agree that recon sense can use a touch. Maybe reduce the range or the duration. Or how it sees people through walls fundamentally. Maybe it can't over penetrate more then 3 walls let's say.

In terms of nukes they are straight up ridiculous. Being able to squad wipe or take out two people and clean up is unacceptable. A solution I feel should be implemented is, if the game detects c4 on a throwable have the c4 deal reduced damage. Same for mines. Or I was thinking something a little more creative tbh. Disable c4 and mines from sticking on any throwables. But implement a whole new barrel. A barrel that allows nukes. But they are very limited around the map.

[oak kernel]

The issue with nukes is the exact same as recon. It's just not fun for the receiving end. Most of the time you're not looking at it because they sneak toss them at you and you get instant killed. It's like a reverse defib.

Just reduce c4 to 1 at a time. Literally the easiest fix. It'll probably still 1 shot lights at least

[quick coyote]

OMG

[manic aspen]

make rank less based on how much u play and more based on skill

[crystal cloak]

nerf c4 barrel

[fiery harness]

feel like fcar needs around 24 bullets

[sour bane]

if you cant get kills with 20 bullets on the fcar then i dont know what to say about your skills m8

[grand dawn]

I feel like the game needs to be balanced around lights with 175 hp and heavies with 325 hp.

[amber compass]

yes remove it its so ass

[fading yoke]

Feel the same tbh, no matter how skilled you are on light, you die pretty much collateral on fights.

[restive scaffold]

Give the sniper 100% air accuracy.

[elfin swallow]

I like how you think

[sharp belfry]

Recon sense is in a weird place for sure and could use a tweak. It goes from being just pretty good to great with a team using comms and god tier in the final round where it's just two teams. The latter situation is where it is most broken.

[lavish shard]

🤣🤣🤣 nop
175hp
Cloak
Stungun
Shotgun 2 tap heavy

[shrewd vine]

I feel like Lights problems are less to do with its kit being bad and more to do with medium and heavy kits demolishing them.

[toxic saffron]

Add text chat. Let us ping when we are dead. So many times my teammate has revived the wrong person... a simple ping to say hey, stop would be enough

[fringe latch]

we need a custom game option for playing with more than 3 friends, PLEASE 🥲

[ruby timber]

Hey everyone,

I've compiled a list of suggestions to enhance our gaming experience. These changes are aimed at creating a more balanced and enjoyable environment.

1. Patch Nukes and Nerf Heavy Shields Health:

• Adjust the strength of heavy shields for better gameplay dynamics.
• On another note, players should not be able to attach deployables onto world canisters.

2. Matchmaking Based on Rank, Not SBMM:

• Switch to a matchmaking system that considers player rank rather than Skill-Based Matchmaking (SBMM).
• I should not be Gold 2 playing against full Diamond lobbies. Let alone gaining the same 600 points for every win.

3. Add a Chatbox for Communication:

• Introduce a chatbox to facilitate communication between players.

4. Include Weapon Attachments:

• Expand customization options by adding weapon attachments for a more personalized gaming experience.

5. Implement Distance Limit for Medium Recon Skill:

• Set a distance limit, perhaps 100 meters, for the Medium Recon skill to balance its usage.

6. Revise Fame Points System:

• Increase fame points for winning and increase the decrease for losing to promote fair ranking progression. Explore the possibility of earning more points based on in-game total cashout.
• We need a better matchmaking system desperately. I should not have to play hundreds of games to get out of a single rank tier.

7. Balance C4 Usage for Heavies:

• Limit heavy class to 1 C4 to address balancing issues.

8. Buff Vanishing Bomb for Light Class:

• Enhance the Vanishing Bomb for the light class to make it a more viable and competitive option. As of now it only lasts a second.

9. Consider Adding Passives to Each Class:

• Explore passive abilities for each class to add depth to gameplay.

Heavy: Immunity to displacement from other heavy charges.
Medium: Faster healing or health regeneration outside of combat.
Light: Options of gaining a health boost per kill (max limit 50) or a boost in movement speed.

10. Lock regions:

• Players should not be able to freely switch their region and play wherever they want. At least for tournaments.

11. Ranked rewards, Sticker placement, and In-Game Content.

• Ranked rewards would be very nice to see, especially before or when the season starts. This will give players more of an incentive to keep playing.
• It would be a nice add to allow the players to be able to place their stickers wherever they want. Possibly a max of 3?
• We desperately need more content in game. After you’re max and everything unlocked, there is nothing to do. This will make the game die quickly.

These suggestions aim to improve the overall gaming experience and promote fairness within the system.

(i’m a heavy main and I know myself the class is way too strong.)

[slim karma]

I don't think health should be changed but are we really going to complain about lights 2 shotting heavies when heavies shotgun can 2shot lights? Not to mention its full-auto, and way more forgiving when you miss.

[rough timber]

REMOVE LIGHTS FROM THE GAME

[queen rover]

Excited for update but the tacticool cosmetic set looks generic/out of place imo

[granite topaz]

Fix Sniper Scope. thx

[sharp belfry]

Agreed, health should be kept the same but I do feel like Lights lack enough survivability. Slightly extending the range of dash could help with this as it would be better for getting out of a dangerous situation and give an indirect buff to Light's underwhelming melee weapons.

[white shore]

Welp, I completed the grind to 40, and the battlepass a couple days ago.
Can we get a game mode that's about racing up a giant destructible, obstacle covered mountain-skyscraper chasing flying Vaults/hunting hidden vaults/knocking the coins out of each other and depositing them in ADMs that unlock further and further up the peak? Maybe even have new terrain extrude up like a push pop at halftime, and clear away old terrain to save resources?

[quick coyote]

Pre AA Patch the game was amazing and I was always using different guns and weapons and having fun. But now it's all meta or I can't even stand a chance.

[gray gate]

I think being able to do practice wit h friends(like bring your party into the practice) and allow setting custom team for practicing which gun would win and shooting moving targets that arent just going in a straight line

[amber compass]

so we got bad aim

[viral hedge]

honestly the guns in this game are so well balanced idk what youre talking about

[shrewd vine]

I know its been said before but change the nukes in some way that they don't 1 shot Lights, as well as the RPG. 1 shots in FPS games are cancer and as a Heavy player, its way too easy to do. My main issue with nukes existence is the design hypocrisy. You can clearly see in the design of MANY weapons, such as the revolver, that Embark specifically made it so that it couldn't 2 shot Lights for instance, being only 2 damage off. The sniper is 20 damage off 1 shotting a medium with a headshot. Other weapons follow a similar trend of being just under the threshold for a 1-2-3 shot. I don't understand why they'd try so hard to avoid these benchmarks but then allow c4 nukes to exist. Its a contradiction and almost looks like favouritism to the heavy class. I find a lot of Lights to be annoying rats in game but when playing with one of my friends who is a Light main, I really do realize just how horrible the experience is if there's even one heavy in the game with either an rpg or c4.

[wind hemlock]

Meta guns do exist in this game, but the gap between meta and non meta is pretty small

[undone belfry]

This

[viscid spire]

Custom matches are needed

[jagged parcel]

"Light: Options of gaining a health boost per kill (max limit 50) or a boost in movement speed." health regeneration should be faster if they stand still (not in invisibility)

[crystal cloak]

nerf c4 barrel

[high wing]

who asked for solo bank it lol

[dusty plume]

lights, duh

[sharp belfry]

I think the nuke should stay in the game, it's fun to use(not constantly), it rewards some ingenuity, and incentives using the resources on the map BUT barrels should explode instantly if they are damaged while a gadget is attached to it. This way it can still be a fun thing that is in the game but attentive players can counter it/take advantage of it easily and the user and possibly their team have to be at great risk in order for the payoff that they might get using one.

[raw remnant]

BRO EMBARK TEAM MAN CMON, HACKING HAPPENING IN ASIA SERVER IS SO BLATANT, SHOULDNT THIS BE A PRIORITY???

Like whole server is not even able to spawn, instant death, team respawn, instant death

Will soon post a video but man c'mon, please hear us out, this will kill the game so fast

If you can't build a decent anti-cheat, atleast kills like 80 in one round shouldn't raise a flag???

[long root]

hiiiiiii

[foggy orbit]

A response.

1. Patch Nukes and Nerf Heavy Shields Health:

• Mesh Shield should have a longer deploy time, heavies can pop it immediately after taking damage and it makes it hard to punish them unless you can glitch them.

• Players SHOULD be able to attach deployables onto canisters, but the more weight you add, the less accurate and slower it gets, the weight needs to be heavier on C4 since nuking is a huge problem.

2. Implement Distance Limit for Medium Recon Skill:

• 100m distance limit will change absolutely nothing with this oppressively overpowered specialization, it needs a lot of tuning to be in a fair spot. A harsher nerf such as a set duration, longer recharge time, or a rework to how it detects players would be a good start. If the ability cannot be balanced properly, then a total rework should be in order.

3. Buff Vanishing Bomb for Light Class:

• Vanishing bomb is an okay gadget, it can be very situationally powerful, but it is far too niche, it's also louder than cloak when you activate it, so enemies can easily prepare for your attack, it lasts 5 seconds, I think increasing the duration would justify the incredibly loud activation sound.

4. Consider Adding Passives to Each Class:

• I think this would honestly suit specializations rather than the build themselves. A few come to mind...

**Grappling Hook: ** Increase air control
**Evasive Dash: ** Faster movement speed
**Cloaking Device: ** Quieter footsteps
Healing Beam: Shorter health regeneration delay
Guardian Turret: ???
Recon Senses: Shows all enemy placed down gadgets through walls.
Charge&Slam: Huge damage boost to the arena.
Goo Gun ???
Mesh Shield: Increase the HP of Dome Shield and Barricades.

[dusk forge]

Matchmaking needs a fix. All elos together is terrible. Light needs buff pls. Gun jamming bug needs a fix.

[glass fjord]

They just need to reduce its view distance and have it ping like a sonar instead..... also it has no counter whatsoever which is the real problem for balancing

[chrome merlin]

cloak players schould have 150 hp, dash and graple players 175. and you schould not be able to cloak so fast, using cloak to engage is fine but once you decloak it schould require some recloaking time. meele weapons schould get a movement speed buff, especially the butter knife and there we go, light is balanced. heavy rpg schould do 170 dmg to oneshot cloaks but no graple or dash players and nukes need a nerf. medium walls needs a rework and then I believe the game will be balanced. cloak might need a full rework as the changes I gave would make it underpowered which it schould be with its current design but making it more like an tool to ignore traps recons and turrets while increasing movement speed and regeneration start speed would suit the class better

[quick coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181451432549941308/1193342091619729478/TheHackers1.mp4?ex=65b597ed&is=65a322ed&hm=dbd26bd70dbc0a3f87ceaf6184d27328bb6eec210ca77a777b71f5bdcbd78943&

[wind hemlock]

Pings need slight changes. Not being able to ping enemy revives is really annoying

[slim karma]

Grapple needs 2 charges, longer grapple distance, and faster air speed.

Dash would be very good if you could dash through placed down gadgets and/or goo, lights survivability would go way up, it would also make for some crazy outplay potential.

Cloaking Device could do with a few tweaks, it's easy to use with regular weapons, but melee weapons like the dagger become very difficult due to how visibility and sound work when moving in specific ways, I would change it so The faster you move, the easier you are to detect, and the slower you move, the more difficult you are to detect, this would also add a lot more rhythm to fighting cloak, because if they towards or away from you, you'll most likely see them, and if you cannot see them at all when you know you should, you know they are nearby. I would also remove or turn the decloak sound WAY down, I don't understand why it is there if you can already attack while cloaked, this is another huge reason why dagger is unviable against competent players and the mere presence of the decloak sound is just to fuck over melee cloak builds.

[toxic otter]

would it be possible to add a POTG?

I understand that killcams are hard since there is a lot of random destruction, and trying to recalculate everything is impossible and to record it places a large strain on the server

but is recording and showing just one POTG to all players feasible/possible?

edit: I feel like this would really tie together the experience of a game since we can only really see other players popoff when we’re dead, but this game can get really crazy and seeing other people go crazy would be lit

[ruby timber]

I agree mostly with what you said besides the Vanishing bomb. It is incredibly niche but it can use a buff for sure.

As for what you provided for the passives, I really like that. Maybe that could be something they add in the near future? I feel as if it would improve the game for the better.

[crystal cloak]

im getting hit with a sledgehammer from across the map 😭 fix this game holy shit bro for the love of GOD

[crude sorrel]

its 50/50 chance to get spawned to eaither the cashouts

[solid onyx]

we need a bow on medium, light has the sniper that does 230 on hs, maybe the bow can give 200 per headshot and 90 body, make it happen, it will be fun

[crystal storm]

Random spawns is pretty braindead mechanic and can make the game basically throw you out without any counterplay. You should be able to pick a spawn on team wipes.

[dapper acorn]

i just got a ban for 12 min because apparently i left a tournament match, but i didn't do anything of that, i played with AFK people yes, but i didn't leaved any game. i'm pretty upset of injustice

[tall knot]

Day 22 on Xbox of TFLA0002

[quick coyote]

alternatively, your team could get “spawn locked” within a radius of an ongoing cashout—this would boost the player fantasy for grudge matches, and would also impliment a risk versus reward for rushing the other cashout

[fossil badger]

i just hope they improve the performance with tomorrow's patchl, I've been having crazy stutters in game

[tropic magnet]

The steam achievements don't work lol. At least the fatal florist one.
I did the requirement like 2 times. When I did it for the first time I thought. 'Maybe it was a plant pot while the objective says flower pot, maybe that's the issue'
The second time I used one of those pots that usually are placed on tables on Skyway Stadium in that office-like part. My friend performed the imfamous "Nuke" to weaken a really unfortunate heavy.
Upon throwing the ceramic vessel I managed to kill our opponent. There was a skull on the killfeed with my username meaning that he in fact died due to my prop.
However, no achievement. Insert no bitches meme here

[manic aspen]

all your points instantly become invalid if you live in NA

[violet vigil]

light
grapple hook now has 2 charges
knife damage increased from 50 to 64, critical damage multiplier reduced from 6.4 to 5.4
stun gun duration reduced/ stunned opponent can crouch to increased hipfire accuracy while disabling movement

medium
recon senses range reduced, enemy team and class is no longer indicated
fcar hipfire accuracy reduced
defibrillator invulnerability duration reduced

heavy
mesh shield health reduced from 1100 to 850
flamethrower damage ramp up introduced at close range. flamethrower range increased
m60 hipfire accuracy while crouched improved significantly

c4 can no longer be attached to props or throwables
fixed rapid melee exploit
fixed sa1216 rapidfire exploit

[solar oasis]

Hey Embark? You know your game is fucking dead if you don't fix the amount of aimbotters in every single ranked lobby? Hello?

[ruby timber]

Game lost 60% of its playerbase for a reason. Listen to your community.

[gritty grotto]

in the alpha, the narrators/announcers or whatever said "YEAH!!! THE USERS ARE GETTING THEIR MONEY'S WORTH!" or something, according to the trailer on YT

and in the beta trailer, when the player got backstabbed the announcer said "OH! WITH A BACKSTAB! WHAT A STEAL!"

I really wish for the announcers to be as enthusiastic in the game as in the alpha trailer on YT, with that sentence specifically

[hushed spoke]

Should spawn close to the cashout YOU are contesting aka the cashout you posses in that moment.

[crude sorrel]

whould be more boring

[blissful crescent]

What time is the new update dropping?

[royal flume]

Why am I in gold and my teammates are always bronze playing their first ranked match every time I solo queue? Please fix this. Just show us our mmr and make matches accordingly

[cold marlin]

Hello team, thank you for the wonderful game and I hope that you don't bear the weight of the criticisms from the doomers too heavily. I think that the priority does not lie with balance at the moment, but rather QOL adjustments.
As others have mentioned hacking is an issue but that is something I know you are actively working on. Apart from that, please do your best to fix connectivity issues. I have been kicked from lobbies very frequently without the ability to reconnect without any internet issues on my end. This has been especially frustrating during competitive mode as I've observed my teammates disconnecting and have myself disconnected several times in the semi finals round. Not only does it mean a loss, I don't gain the competitive points from the matches won.
Apart from frequent disconnects, it would be nice if you added the option to disable autolock from melee weapon alternate fire. On several occasions I have had sledgehammer overhead swing lock on to the wrong target or even cause me to 180 when there are no enemies behind me. Thank you again for all that you do and for taking the time to listen!

[languid ridge]

Do u think threatening the developers will make your feedback more noticeable

[soft rain]

Yeah today i stunned a heavy with max range stun. Got instantly bonked by hammer rofl.

[marsh oriole]

HOW SLOW YOU CAN BE TO FUCKİNG FİX O B V İ O U S P R O B L E M S FOR GODS SAKE

[granite topaz]

Mmmm. i'm 95% sure that you only faced 1 or 2 possible hackers in all your playtime.

[modern wedge]

go back to league

[quiet stag]

agreed

[manic aspen]

I love how people living in NA pretend that cheating isn't a big problem

[restive scaffold]

Give the sniper 100% air accuracy.

[sick pier]

fr

[gritty grotto]

why dont you try reproducing the problems, logging the processes in the game, trying to find the right lines of code that create the "small" problems, which need to be carefully redone so no other problems occur, and then make sure that the problem is really fixed and that no other bugs appeared because of it, then test it again and release the update? Yeah, not that easy bro

[crystal cloak]

achieve that in real life

[restive saddle]

@quick coyote hello, don't know where to submit a ticket but my skins are glitched. I cannot switch weapon skins all skins are checked and saying they are all equipped. How do i fix this?

[quick coyote]

Delete your contestant and remake them

[shrewd vine]

Its horrendous in EU right now and apparently vastly worse in Asia. When I play with my NA friends its insane how clean the servers are.

[fiery harness]

rewasd should be bannable

[eager barn]

I rly hope you nerf defib / healing beam... otherwise im not playing anymore.. fun 3 mediums just perma revive and heal

[wanton heron]

I need bank it ranked in my life!

[solar oasis]

Proved this moron wrong. Literally as he is in my DMs telling me 'theres not that many cheaters' me and my friend are literally being knifed by someone with infinite range on his knife across map and killing us with infinite ammo across map. Why do the trash players insist on.

1 or 2 hackers in my total playtime? I've literally had more than 2 hackers in my lobbies in the past hour. Chinese heavies with Lewis guns beaming us with headshots through shields cross map, getting knifed by russians across map and spammed with infinite ammo. Please don't ever speak again bot

[rancid skiff]

excellent points and very real feedback
quick, better nerf c4 and defib!

[rose surge]

SOLO BANK IT IS THE WORST IDEA EVER. I mean, I want a good mode to play solo, but seriously?!?!

[undone belfry]

What a great experience!

[strange wagon]

Optimize the game better Its a cpu hog

[restive scaffold]

ah yes, because this game is so realistic 😂

[royal flume]

Game caters way too heavily towards PC players at the moment. Please give console high frame rate support, buff AA somewhere between where it was originally and where it is now or at least give us an option for console only cross play. It’s really not fun getting destroyed by PC players with all of the advantages we know that they have. The only alternative is waiting way too long to queue for a match.

[shell jacinth]

Skill diff

[feral remnant]

Push to talk is not working for many people! Perhaps need to fix this 🙂

[wide latch]

Put aim Assist for consoles again, and remake the rankeds 46ppsl in a single match is a mistake

[quick coyote]

brain cells diff

[junior arrow]

Nukes and throwables need to be nerfed. Light damage needs to be a bit buffed since they die so quick.

[oak pike]

Light damage is perfectly fine.

[wanton dove]

I would prefer +50 health to lights.

[undone belfry]

The thing is, THEY FIXED THE CROSSPLAY!

its console only since today again! I see World globes but not all my lobby are those (yesterday every game was only world globes aka pc lobby, in voice chat they told me also that they are on pc..), now it's the same as before, only console players (mix of xbox and world globes. I even added some enemy dudes to confirm it lol (ive the PS App also).

Also pc lobbys played so differently then console lobbys. Yesterday I saw alot of lights with swords dashing etc. You dont see that on console

Embark. Why do you do stuff without announcing? I mean you can test stuff yeah but firstly ask the community if they want it..

[flat spruce]

Nukes need the ability to be shot out of the air way easier than they are now. Other than than that idrc about the damage or ease of use

[terse gazelle]

is there a new update soon for all the launching problems ? Every time i'm starting the game or even just after a game i get kicked out either server disconection or because of anticheat problem. I have never had any issue before but it started right after i changed my motherboard and processor

[waxen bridge]

Seems like every game has cheaters in it, and hit reg is trash, any plans to fix?

[unkempt dune]

same here - started today after I put some new ram in - might be coincidence though

[lapis island]

It's funny because you don't even know if they were testing something, or if it was a server issue. You just assume and expect Embark to bend to your will because you sit in this chat all day and whine. 💀

"It’s funny because you’re here in this chat… what might you be doing?"

Just look at his message history @royal flume, his entire history in this server is constant whining and bitching about the same non-issue while he touts around his opinions as if they are fact. All while spam reacting anyone who challenges him or offers a differing viewpoint. Sure, you could argue I do the same thing but I'm only actually checking this chat during the downtime I have in between games 😂

[rigid rivet]

basic casual tourneys join if u wanna play

[sharp belfry]

Actually making all of us look bad, please just pipe down until patch notes drop

[royal flume]

It’s funny because you’re here in this chat… what might you be doing?

[crystal cloak]

It gotta be logical at least you asking for too much

[rose surge]

This is the channel for feedback which is what I gave. If you have a problem with how I gave it, keep it to yourself.

Seriously though, bank it is already a mode that I don't know of a lot of people liking. It's a mode where the roles are essentially reversed from the main game, one in which lights now have the highest advantage.

A solo mode will also cripple medium healer mains and you think solo bank it will make sense for heavies? No.

I have ideas about what could be better, but I know the game designers don't listen. I don't know why I'm complaining either tbh. Just shouting into the void.

[meager moss]

It would be really neat to make custom game lobbies, for example if a group of friends wanted to play quick cash against each other and we had 6 or 9 players

[lament talon]

Just got Sledgehammered cross map by a hard cheater. Even though I'm a competitive fps player I see how cheaters ruin the fun for casual players and competitive alike

[blissful bridge]

They just needed to add DM and TDM.

We want to play some modes focused on eliminations and not objective securing.

[quick coyote]

Without custom game lobbies or spectating there will never be The Finals esports.

[glad delta]

I think light never being used in ranked is also a huge issue too. it means that most of what is good about it doesn't work in high tier play and that is a GLARING issue.

[quick coyote]

Easy. Throw the objective under the map.

[broken fulcrum]

if light gets shot while invised there should be a short cooldown before they can cloak again

[sharp belfry]

The problem with how you gave it is that you haven't actually tried the game mode yet. Complaining about something that hasn't even happened yet is exactly the reason you think people don't listen, and everyone's feedback suffers from it. Why would they listen when the immediate reaction to even announcing new content is to complain without providing anything constructive?

[kindred harness]

How to properly achieve a balance in a class oriented "BR-like" game:

LIMIT. THE. CLASSES. PER. TEAM.

1 HEAVY.

1 LIGHT.

1 MEDIUM.

THIS makes the foundation of the class system IMPORTANT. Why have "classes" at all if you're going to let everyone run the same thing with the 'meta' loadout?

Implements more team-play. "Okay, you're good at blahblah, so you should run that, I'll do this that, and flank and blahblah"

(The devs have spent over a decade doing this on the battlefield games; and it WORKED. Why on earth did you decide to make a tournament based FPS and NOT limit the classes?)

NUKES dont need NERFED. MEDIC gun DOESNT NEED NERFED. LIGHT doesnt need a buff/nerf....

Why does a med gun need nerfed, when its the fact that two medguns cheesing a wall, healing a flamethrower/tank are making it OP, and not the actual equipment?

Why does a Heavy character need nerfed when its the fact that there's two heavies running a melee steam roller, and an LMG, and with a healer hiding?

LIMIT. THE. CLASSES. PER. TEAM.

Or am I the only one using common sense? 😛

Edit: battlefield was thrice the players per team, with one extra class. stop using crutches to justify your cheesy gameplay. 😛

[storm thunder]

Is the SBMM still not working in the finals? or did it get fixed, because if it didnt i might aswell not bother playing till they fix it?

[oak kernel]

It's 3 classes, they don't need to be limited imo

[restive scaffold]

How is that not logical?

[warm heart]

There’s a glitch not letting me customize the mp5, every time I load up the game or go into a match it reverts the changes

[red knot]

they should limit the special ability's tho so no one can spam heal-beam or invisibility in one team

[wanton heron]

I agree, if anything add bank it ranked

[rose surge]

Ironically, you complaining about how I complained is, if anything, more distracting and off-topic than my original complaint. At least I was giving signal that I wasn't happy with the announcement. You just complained about how I complained, how does that help anyone? For that reason, I will save embark some brain energy by not responding to anything else you send as it will most likely continue to be off-topic. Hope you have a lovely day.

[vivid moon]

Can you add custom keybinds on Xbox yet

[ruby timber]

clueless

[royal flume]

I’ve posted maybe 10 or 15 times about balance and performance issues that I perceive to be problems with the game that need improvement. I’m “spamming” this on the off-chance that the devs see any of my posts and take it into consideration. I’ve been polite and constrictive in all of my posts. Yes, I like posts that are echoing similar sentiments and dislike posts that are not. It’s a constructive forum for making a healthier game which we have very few of so I’m voicing my opinions. You seem to be the one bitching and whining here and I’m guessing you just play on pc because a competitive shooter that can’t hold 60 fps could be argued to be more than a “non-issue.” I also happen to be doing this in down time between games. Hypocritical of you to tout your own opinions as facts in a post falsely accusing me of doing the same.

[lapis island]

I wasn't even referring to you, I was replying to your reply, in which my original comment was towards LeKelp. Maybe you should seek attention elsewhere and stop making everything about you.

Do you guys even read or do you just like seeing your reactions highlighted in blue? 💀

[stone rivet]

Fix the fucking anti-cheat, it constantly kicks nvidia and stealsiries sonar !!!!!!!!!!!!

[sharp belfry]

Excellent, nothing more satisfying than getting the last word . My point is you have nothing to complain about with anything they add until you've tried it yourself and seen how it affects the game.

[violet vigil]

give us 9 custom contestants please

[oak kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-giga-chad-no-gif-21613582

I feel like they could just balance it. I think the mixing and matching makes it more fun and unique. Too many games limit us. It's not that much to balance lol. Heal spam does have counters, it's just recon it's so strong that lights can't counter it

[turbid moss]

I ain’t gonna lie Solo Bank It is the laziest update I’ve ever seen in a while. Sorry Embark

[hollow dune]

at least they tried their best but please add ranked matchmaking😭 😔

[sharp belfry]

Peep those obj scores though, your teammates were cooking . Unfortunately it takes more than just elims to win.

[brisk spruce]

Flamethrower and fire nades damage you through walls, needs fixin

[oak kernel]

I think fire is ok, but gas needs fixing

[bronze valve]

I'd like to see an option in the settings to auto swap back to primary after using equipment.
I've died so many times because I threw a second nade instead of switching back to my weapon

[hollow dune]

yeah I know but when people push us we just completely get wiped out looking at our deaths and don't let me bring up third parties😔 the only way you can win like that is have the other three teams fight each other

[sharp kraken]

Gas is stupid op its radius is way too big and does too much damage for how big the radius it is

[royal flume]

Yeah, but your reply was spiteful and combative for no reason so I said something. Then you literally @'d me and took the time to look through my entire post history so you seem to be trying to make it all about me. Trust me, I’m not that interesting.
I believe this game could be vastly more enjoyable for console players with a few small fixes. Thats a lot of players, myself included. Do you think the game is in a perfect state and there should be no further patches from here on out? If not, please stop manufacturing negativity and whining about people who are actually trying to give constructive feedback. Thank you.

[sharp belfry]

If you're just looking at deaths, you all performed equally. That's just the way she goes bud.

[smoky storm]

bro he was not talking about you...

[oak kernel]

Also it matches you based on mmr, not rank lol. Diamonds and such can just show up in your game. I've ran into guy #5 on the leaderboards before

[quick coyote]

this is normal right

[sharp kraken]

Can we get a 6v6 please devs? A limited time 2 teams, 6 people per team is so natural for this game.

[smoky gust]

I think this game could benefit from a testing game-mode

basically devs can just throw balance changes at a wall to see what sticks (which only apply to this mode)
and the players can then give feedback what changes were right on the money

it could speed rebalances up and the players don't feel like they've been left on read

(though im not sure if that would be hard to code)

[livid oasis]

It doesn’t just have to be limited to 3 classes though who’s to say in the future they won’t add more? His idea could potentially work with a few more classes to choose from.

[naive nebula]

I feel like the cloaking device for the light class should have a bit of End Lag added to it to balance it, since people can just circle you and start shooting the second they appear again.

[undone belfry]

Seems legit. He's just the game itself

[rich fox]

jesus

[languid ridge]

Idk if I’m just bad with light but coming from a heavy main, light is kind of useless in ranked rn. Obv there is no easy fix but light doesn’t have many uses other than the glitch grenade and maybe inv’s shotgunning one or two ppl before dying

[finite dew]

i dont care about a new gamemode, fix the cheaters, give us custom lobbies, and give us ranked matchmaking

[dapper cliff]

are the going to fix the crosshair bug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5NnatfZifo i saw this today so it may already be fixed but straight up banning third party crosshairs is bad because personally for me i find it unplayable without one do to this bug and the in game crosshairs are abysmal but again i saw this today so hopefully they are unbanned but I'm not going to use one because i don't want to get banned no hate to the devs because they have been very good so far with listing to the community and fixing the bugs very quickly.

[bronze fog]

The game is getting ultra boring when you lose 20 ranked rounds in a row, with the 2 afks that you get in soloQ

[storm siren]

Look at the announcements bozo

[arctic acorn]

I am once again requesting that the sound be fixed for Console players. If there are gunshots happening in the distant background, if my teammates are walking near me, or if a lot is going on in the map, the audio for certain things will be completely removed. For instace, the sound of C4 beeping as well as enemy footsteps. I think this is one of the big issues with the "Nuke" problem. Not being able to hear anybody at all and suddenly you're dead because a heavy was right behind you the entire time is a frustrating experience. I've literally walked behind people until they are isolated and they haven't been able to hear me. Definitely needs a fix.

[noble saffron]

We need better performance optimizations and cpu gpu optimizations. Games like valorant and Fortnite I can get 200+ easy, but in finals I barely get 50 using the lowest possible settings. Things like anti analyzing and shadows, post processing should be optional or further improved

[vernal bough]

Can y'all balance that grenade launcher?

[junior badge]

delete invis 🤑

[vagrant raptor]

turn rate needs a increase while blocking with riot shield on controllers

[small karma]

Hello Contestants, Folks and Yolks!

I am doing a final round of react-gathering to see the stance of the community on Bank It.

See the replied-to post (and the post it was replying to) for further details.

TL;DR :
Open Beta Bank It had a great flow. Post-launch Bank It's flow is a meat grinder / team deathmatch. I'd love for OB Bank It to return as it was back then, 2 vaults simultaneously, 3 cashout points.

This'll be my final call-to-action / "census" on what y'all think of it. If anyone would like to pick up the reins and ask for OB Bank It's glorious return, please feel free to reply to my posts as I've put a lot of hours into this feedback thread, and would love nothing more than for someone who agrees to pick it up and keep gathering more 'es for the cause! 🙂

Sadly, with no news of a return to form in sight in a couple months, my interest in The Finals has all but vanished.

I wish every single one of you KICK-EGG moments, wonderful vibes and I hope Embark can keep caring for this egg of a game until it hatches into a chirpy mainstay of modern gaming!

That's all for me, folks and yolks. I'm out! Leave your and reacts below! 💜 Godspeed out there! 😊

[quick coyote]

if a player reconnects during a final match, they should not enter the game alive. players reconnect dead in every other tier of the bracket, so i have no clue why it works this way in the top of the tournament.

this fact is currently being abused in play; comming teams will have their player reconnect mid-fight to have full health and free resources.

[hollow rock]

is the game down?

[waxen granite]

@quick coyote Hey good afternoon. A few days ago i asked you if you heard anything about players being kicked for no reason. I was getting kicked out of matches sometimes when i had like no kills or just randomly. I was wondering if you have heard anything back in regards to that? is it possibably my nivida replay being detected or something else of that nature?

[quick coyote]

Haven't heard anything back but hopefully it'll be fixed in tomorrows patch! Let me know if it isn't though and I'll forward it again.

Nerf fcar

[tranquil eagle]

all it needs is a lil damage falloff and harder to control recoil

[sour bane]

recon senses is underpowered imo, i think they should buff this so it has 100% up time

[rancid skiff]

Recon senses and invis are both funny to me in the same way that when I was growing up these sorts of things would have been considered outright cheating but now its apparently just something you can equip whenever you like.

[teal mauve]

welcome to ability shooters 💀 heal guns and mesh shields wouldnt be cheating in other games then? dash and grapple wouldnt be speed hacks? cmon bruh

[last nacelle]

Do u guys think that maybe one c4 at a time for heavy could be a good nerf?

[small karma]

For the statistically-inclined amongst y'all, here is the percentages of to votes I've gathered over the months :

82.9%
17.1%

To all of the contestants who supported the requested change to return Bank It to it's Open Beta state, thank you. To all the CMs who read my posts and didn't mark them as spam, thank you. To the Embark team doing their best to do what they feel is right for the game, thank you too!!

With this, I'mma bow out. Have fun out there, contestants, folks and yolks! Peace 👋

[vernal bough]

Can you nerf the grenade launcher it feels op

[nimble steppe]

Add keyboard customise for the keys and mouse sensitivity and crosier, on consoles

[sonic spoke]

Solo Bank it will be pandemonium!

[elfin plank]

Will there be a nerf to the RPG and a fix to "Nuking"? It is hard to stay engaged in the game while every game has one or 2 players being able to one shot you up close and they don't get damaged a bit

[tall knot]

If u are still getting TFLA0002 on Xbox u need to check if there's a console update that didn't install that's how I fixed mine

[undone belfry]

Add cheats to your game so cheat developers dont have a chance to sell cheats.. easy

@quick coyote are there any other weapons except those you shown in the game? Damn

[quick coyote]

Not fun to play against and feel OP when used.

[wide summit]

we really trying to nerf the lewis now too?

[rancid skiff]

Surprise, full auto spray weapons being the meta isn't fun!

[vagrant raptor]

lol every gun on heavy is a pos, the lewis gun is simply the best option. it needs a hard buff, at least on controllers.

[round goblet]

This what happens when recoil is almost non-existent.

[fiery harness]

rewasd should be bannable and fcar should have 24 bullets

[sinful gazelle]

why no m11 there?

[humble tinsel]

a part of me says make it an even 25 @ that point and another says if you can't do the job with 24 you don't deserve the extra bullet

[fickle phoenix]

Updating both console and pc separate would be a good idea, just have cross platform versions with both running on the same version as well. The light does need some big nerfs though..

[twilit hollow]

Please let it be recon nerf tomorrow 🙏

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for a bow

[plush grotto]

Since light only has one breach charge I’d say yes

[ornate bobcat]

anyone know where to report bugs

[blissful nebula]

hello do y'all have eny sniping tips

[left jay]

Hey, has anyone suggested an idea to balance the C4 and barrel throws? Instead of changing the time for the c4 to be ready. Maybe make the c4 and barrel hitboxes bigger once they have been stuck together. Still allowing the c4/ barrel combo to be powerful but also allowed to be countered. just trying to find the best place to send this idea.

[quick coyote]

Compared to the m60 or any other heavy weapon it feels OP. Maybe buff the rest so they are meta?

Also just got beamed cross map by fcar within 2 seconds, so balanced.

So today china region lock?
It's QoL to me. 🤣

[wide summit]

The m60 has more ammo and they just nerfed the shotgun. You want heavies to not be able to defend themselves?

[wide eagle]

The game randomly crashes because of easy anticheat on some setups. error code: (Sorry for the German)

[olive epoch]

Ye dont play it

[ionic totem]

When u have custom keybinds u cant self respawn. U have to wait to get resed or a team wipe. It makes the game super hard to play please change this.

[quick coyote]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3126170544

[stone acorn]

Would like a custom/private match tab so friends can go head to head with each other

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for greater visual feedback whenever you are the only one left alive, and you dying will lead to a team wipe.

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E F U K İ N G N U K E A N D C H E A T E R S A N D R E C O N

[languid ridge]

Pls allow 2 people to go into practice range together, it’s rlly sad it ain’t in the game yet

[feral canopy]

That's honestly gotta be the dumbest thing I've heard

[opal jewel]

ikr

[shut tartan]

stop making me use fucking melee weapons for my dailies. god damnit. half the challenges related to melee are bugged anyways

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for a more comprehensive contextual ping system

[quick coyote]

Dying with 30 round left in the mag doest help when fcar will kill a heavy with half a mag. No time to use all that extra ammo.

Maybe if they made m60 pierce walls and do extra building dmg it would be useful, right now it is a Lewis gun with a "Made in China" sticker.

The lewis is a crutch for heavies and the only viable weapon.

[kindred harness]

"PLEASE nerf the only thing that counters my invisible double barrel shotgun "skill level"!!!!! "

when tf are we getting a GAS MASK?

[wide summit]

They can do what they want with the m60. The Lewis doesn't need to be nerfed

[gaunt plover]

thanks for adding solos but why tf didnt u add duos and quads with that

[quick coyote]

youre going on the valid list. no cash prize, truly regrettably.

[feral canopy]

Just be appreciative

[hazy swallow]

I am once again asking for the devs to optimize the game

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for there to be a reward for being the team to insert the cash box in quick cash

[opal jewel]

another thing that would be great is if we could see damage values

[daring fossil]

someone said this in the main chat and I second, we need throwing stars (shurikens) skins for throwing knives

[smoky gust]

I don't think a gas mask item is a good idea

unless you can think of another use, the gas mask would only be used for, well, gas
it would end up being way to niche to sacrifice an equipment slot for

it also means you use a slot just to be less annoyed, instead of being able to use other fun items

and even then
gas is the root of the problem

you're thinking of ways to make something problematic less bad, rather than working on the problem itself

[broken lake]

for the light weapons, I can kind of understand the DB, but the light smg? really?

[tight verge]

please nerf all these kids asking for nerfs. Lord. You dont say "PLEAse nERf Rockk When I PLAY scisorsS I ALWayS LOse!!" then maybe play PAPER!!! This game is not "balanced" like COD or Apex so stop crying about intended game mechanics. Yes, some abilitys dont have as many counters as others, for example (my main) Knife, suchs dookie cheeks. Knife doesn't have ANY favorable matchups. It gets countered by literally every item in the game. Dont just say "give me a gas mask because I keep dying to gas" you sound like a winey toddler. Maybe say "I feel like gas only being countered by fire isnt very balanced since fire bomb on its own doesnt have much utility. So expecting me to use a whole equipment slot to soelly counter fire is a little silly" but that logic is stupid since gass mask would be even LESS useful than fire but I rest my case.

[lethal bough]

just get rid of nukes mannn

[sharp belfry]

Keep nukes, make barrels with gadgets attached detonate instantly when damaged. We should be able to shoot them out of midair, or turn it back on the thrower

[gaunt plover]

eat me fuckin bumhole

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for a themepark or film backlot themed map

[olive epoch]

Buff recon its really stupid that it can't be on all the time

[craggy niche]

bind a mouse key press too it.

[sour bane]

Please buff Recon Senses so it has 100% uptime, I'm sick of toggling it on and off, it's so underpowered and hard

[smoky gust]

that would only work in limited capacity
it only works if you saw them first

sneaking up on someone should give you an advantage but not an instant win

take this video for example
if I had an rpg i could maybe 1-shot the light and try to beam the other but I would have likely died

meanwhile nuke:

[blissful sail]

i could see film backlot working seeing there's an alien skin and and the alien invasion timed event

[wide eagle]

Thanks

[cerulean magnet]

HELLO PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS many times I have loaded into a game and there has been no third teammate, But I have to play the game out or else I recieve a penalty, ALSO please add a text chat option some people deside to be idiots and not talk at all or not be in voice chat so i cannot communicate and pings arent enough\

[twilit patrol]

Hello, where do I report bugs?

[fickle phoenix]

Having two separate pools for console and pc on top of a mode for both is a bad thing? Player retention, higher sales and enjoyment, easier balancing. Many other things. Goof

[quick coyote]

remember everyone!! there should be no complaining about the balance patch tomorrow—you all pushed for these changes in this chat (: ❤️

[hazy yew]

The themepark one would be sick actually - moving rides, rollercoaster and ferris wheel that could be dismantled and then runs through half the map

[broken lake]

ooh, are we getting the update tomorrow?

[feral canopy]

That would be an unnecessarily complicated process to pull off, the game would have to update everytime a person switches to cross platform and then remove that patch version everytime a person comes out of cross platform. It also doesn't make sense to update versions of the game separately, imagine having to create two sets of patch notes for two separate platforms, it doesn't make sense from a game developer standpoint and it's added cost, hence why it's stupid. The game would also feel completely different when playing cross platform and it would put people off playing cross platform. You might as well just get rid of cross platform at that point. But personally I don't think they should do that.

[ionic totem]

Im on controller and it still dosent work

[sharp belfry]

Yeah exactly, I agree with you that it should still be in the game but not a win button against players who are paying attention.

[hard mesa]

I tend to be full of good ideas 😉

[solar oasis]

Hopefully your security fix does something f or anti-cheat. Even casual bank it now has aimbotters every other match for me 🙂 fun game 🙂

[late sand]

Dang bro, and I thought that I was being killed by a hacker when a guy with a flamethrower one shot me while I was at max hp

[smoky gust]

I never said anything about if nukes should be in game or not
I don't know where you pulled that from

And I just explained to you why nukes are way too punishing to the ambushed players
But you just repeat your point without actually making any arguments as to why it should be that way

Feel free to disagree but please at least try to prove me wrong instead of just repeating yourself

[wide eagle]

It seems to have fixed the issue, just running the uninstall and after that the install is currently working, once more, thank you (The reason could be me having to replace/upgrade half my setup and reinstalling windows)

[sudden tangle]

If nukes and recon are reworked/nerfed tmrw I will nut myself

[hazy yew]

Im really hoping there is an improvement to the ranked mm cause right now solo queing is horrible. I went three games in row with different light snipers as a teammates who just trie to get kills no objective, no revives. I messaged one and they then proceded to continually kill themselves even after reviving them...

[quick coyote]

Yeah, changing your hardware messes with it. Common problem for people (like me) apparently.
Glad I helped though. 👍

[sharp belfry]

It's fun to use, that's why. You don't want to make the game less fun, do you? And for that reason I agree with you, it should stay in the game. Use any reaction to agree

[smoky gust]

It's only fun to use if you like to see the number next to your name increase
I would say pressing 2 buttons is rather boring and takes the "shooting" part out of the first person shooter

You may be having fun with nukes but all of your enemies you kill that way have to suffer for it
What's more important, your fun or the fun of 6-9 other people?

Again, I literally never said if they should stay in game
You cannot say that I would agree with you as if its a fact when I never stated my opinion on it

[quick coyote]

New cheat people can melee from anywhere ...... be carefull guys

[wide eagle]

The revolver needs a slight buff in my opinion , hitting two shots and dying to a 2 health points light just feels cheap. It dealing one more hp per shot would improve it in my opinion. Maybe im just mad. Let me know what your opinion on this is, as i´m no light main and maybe then it would be OP.

[upper citrus]

revolver is fine where it is. medium is a support class and shouldn’t be a primary damage dealer on your team. in general the medium weapons are already pretty overtuned

[patent solstice]

why do u hate light? aren't we suffering enough already? PTSD from the nukes, mines, RPGS!!

[prime knoll]

Why is Recon even a thing in this game, and why does it have no cooldown? should be a 20sec CD on it and active for 5sec. Spamming it for free wallhack every 3sec is just bad game design

[sharp belfry]

So anything that isn't left click = shoot doesn't belong? Or we should question its place because it don't shoot bang? Gee, sounds really fun.

[quick coyote]

I am okay with revolver dmg however the hitbox it has on people is very un predictable and even with using a monitor crosshair it is like gambling unless you stand still.

[hoary tapir]

We should have 2 uses for grappling hooks instead of 1

[tough kiln]

Embark for fuck sake take nukes out of the game. I know the game hasn't been out for long but it's insane you haven't corrected this yet. Just lost to a team of full heavies that kept spamming C4 barrel nukes. It one shot me as a heavy every time. This game will die if you don't correct this soon.

@coral flicker If you can't counter invis get better.

[coral flicker]

TAKE NUKES OUT MY INVIS AND WALLS AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH

[dense harbor]

Solos is a step in the right direction, it needs a ranked mode tho

[late sand]

Recon should have a cool down, because these people running it spam it for free wall hacks .

[serene pewter]

If it was as broken as people say everyone would be running it wouldn’t they 😂

[livid oasis]

Revolver 100 percent needs that 1-2 damage buff because it’s annoying dealing 148 damage to someone and dying while they have 2 health left

[wide eagle]

The nukes do need at least a slight nerf as dying to someone pressing m1 and seeing chaos unfold isn´t that much fun, i agree. And no, i don´t per-say "Hate" light and i respect the skill behind it, it sometimes feels a bit cheap though. But i will stay with the claim that the revolver needs atleast a very small buff.

[solar oasis]

he probably was cheating, the cheats in this game are like rust/tarkov/CSGO level.. people are giving themselves infinite ammo and map-wide melee attacks, people are literally editing the values of their hp/damage/rate of fire/dmg multipliers etc

third aimbotter three games in a row now btw

[lost talon]

now finally can we get a 6v6 mode as well

[smoky gust]

That was a metaphor, I hoped you would understand it
Since that's not the case ill just explain a bit more

A nuke instantly kills whoever it hits
No fight took place
There was no interaction

Meanwhile if you throw a grenade for example, they wont die instantly
They can run, they can try to shoot back, they can try to block further damage
There has been an interaction, not just instantaneous death

Not sure if that was enough, should you still not understand it, just let me know
Maybe I think of a different way to explain so you can understand too

[prime knoll]

do you play ranked in gold and above? literally everyone is running recon. Its broken af. 3meds (2recon 1heal). You can't hide, you cant flank, they always know where you spawn and coming from and beam you on approach. No counter play

[sick pecan]

I'm almost surprised if there isn't one per team in ranked

[sharp belfry]

Oh no I understand, instead of taking away the fun thing, they should just add another fun thing that counters it.

[patent solstice]

it still doesn't clarify your ask for dmg buff on revolver. 2 body shots or 1 head with the range on that revolver and get a kill? feels a bit much imo. It is perfect the way it is. Just cause u cant bear the fact that there is 2hp left isn't a good enough claim.

[violet mulch]

Scientists are stunned as medium players of the finals have discovered that wallhacks actually aren't cheating and all previous FPS games have just had "skill issues"

[tough kiln]

@wide eagle I main revolver and it is perfect the way it is. It's a high skill, high reward weapon. If you miss headshots you will lose most fights, if you hit headshots you will win most fights. That 1-2 damage diff is what keeps the gun balanced. If you took that away it would be the most busted gun in the game. Learn to use it well and you can carry games with it. If you aren't good enough and don't want to learn, use the AKM or FCAR as they are much more forgiving and easier to use.

[serene pewter]

I got the game a few days ago so no Iv barely touched ranked. The hours I have played though there’s usually only a couple recons per game but it all depends on the sbmm I suppose. If they nerf it to the ground the Next problem is gonna be constant meds

[livid oasis]

I’m not even gonna lie I don’t even play medium I main heavy, I’m just asking for changes that make the most amount of sense and unfortunately to me having to shoot an extra bullet that deals 74 damage to kill someone whos 2 health doesn’t make the most amount of sense to me. Definitely don’t think it would make the gun the most busted as not a lot of people even use the gun in the first place.

[jovial leaf]

Game mode that could be fun....
A juggernaut capture point.
One unlocked the first team to channel for x seconds, let's say 10, gets that player turned into an armorer juggernaut. Kills on enemies while in this mode drops coins. Bank the coins. First to 20k wins.

[smoky gust]

If you had understood, you would not have asked
So that cant be true

A new counter will not be enough
A nuke still instantly kills whoever it gets near
Even if there is something you can do once you know its coming, it still kills all who did not
Which all of this was about

You act as if you didn't know what we are talking about, ignore half my arguments and straight up misrepresent the rest
Please go trolling somewhere else

[cerulean magnet]

Recond doesn't really matter though, sure they'll know when you're coming etc but when youre in the fight its useless, it doesn't do anything when you are already fighting and in a building, with all the movement in the game its very easy to get within the building and then the information they get from it is basically pointless as long as you fight as a team.

[solar oasis]

This. Recon. Nukes and Defib invulnerability and Stun Gun shouldn't exist in the game.

[sharp belfry]

TIL that nukes are proximity based

[bleak thistle]

@ember saffron fix the cheaters. just had a heavy killing everyone across map with a hammer

[strange falcon]

My friend got an error code of TFGE0004 which means he got banned for cheating but he wasn’t even cheating in the game so what does he have to do to fix that or to not be banned anymore?

[wide eagle]

Alrighty, i´ll just try to get better then. Thanks for the feedback!

[sterile pawn]

More game modes and add bank it to the tournament mode.

[hollow dune]

😅

[humble tinsel]

Thought...As of rn in ranked the last cash out has so much impact and sway on the final results of any given round, a lot of the time it can negate a lot of other teams who have been more consistent with securing cashouts back to back throughout the round. What if there was a modifier that rewarded additonal cash upon sequential cashouts. Say you cash out once and if you're able to secure a second cash out back to back you either get a flat additional amount of money or a percentage/multiplier of the cashouts or your current standing. It wouldn't have to be crazy but even a small bump of extra cheese would feel nice. On the other hand it feels amazing to be having an off round only to pull it together last second with a team wipe and cashout to secure a qualification. I'd love to hear others thoughts on this and if you'd think it be a net positive or not

[bleak thistle]

@dense gulch fix the cheaters. just had a heavy killing everyone across map with a hammer

[cerulean magnet]

literally a skill issue for all of these, also Defib Invulnerability really? Yall just be complaining about anything, if they didn't have the invulnerability for the .2 seconds then the defibs would be practically useless, the invulnerability lasts such little time and they respawn with half health stop complaining about balanced features, sure nukes are pretty op and stuff like that but if you play right and play with your team none of it matters
yall hatin because you know I'm right

[smoky gust]

Again, ignoring everything else I say and questioning something that is obvious to everyone
Thanks for proving me right

[jovial leaf]

Clearly just a really good player /s

[daring fossil]

I hope tomorrows patch does something about the terrible interpolation. Here is a list of things I experience on the regular because of bad interpolation:

1. inconsistent backstab with knife
2. shooting the uncovered parts of a riot shielder but only getting shield hits.
3. dying well behind cover (2-3 feet)
4. dying from people facing the opposite direction
5. missing every revolver shot on a guy a-d-a-d crouch spamming because his hitbox is opposite of his player model.
6. tracking a guy almost perfectly while he's running parallel to me but missing more than half my shots

This is probably worse with high pings, but since the game doesn't show ping, who the hell knows.

[desert nebula]

hey guys is interaccel allowed?

[stoic vine]

Anyones daily missions not tracking? Just got 15 kills with a sword and it says 0 for damage with melee weapons.

[digital shoal]

I like your game Embark. Thanks.

[glad delta]

honestly shut up. As an LH1 main this is such bullshit. I can nail you for 2 headshots and and a body shot and still not kill you. 6 body shots with a semi auto weapon and no dead. Meanwhile you're complaining that a headshot and a bodyshot are not enough. The gun doesn't jerk around as much from damage or movement, and has better hipfire and faster ads. meanwhile I can't even hardly shoot at you in midair, I get basically no zoom from ADS and I'm expected to do much of my damage at distances where players partially un-render. If you bump up that damage by 1, the light dies in 1 hit with a headshot.

[sharp belfry]

I agree with you, the nuke should stay.

[tropic swift]

The game is good for its experimental aspects and removing creative playstyles would just kill the game. It definitely should be nerfed but not to an extent where it's useless.

[bleak thistle]

@limber dock fix the cheaters. just had a heavy killing everyone across map with a hammer

[daring fossil]

nah, im with him. as an LH1 light main and a revolver main (when I'm forced to play medium) it has a random chance of missing even if you are both standing completely still and your crosshair is perfectly centered on your target (tested in range, and this gets worse with distance), the damage fall off is probably the worst in the game (I can land multiple headshots on a guy 100+ meters away (missing half my shots due to spread/misaligned ironsights and other things) and he still has half health or more). Also the chance of missing half your shots even when perfectly centered on a moving target is extremely high (due in part to the fact that iron sights don't always line up with center of the screen and the interpolation issues I posted above). I dont think it needs a damage buff, but it definitely needs a buff in other places.

@tropic swift I've been saying this since the start, C4 needs to be like breach charges, you can put 2 down, but you have to wait for cool down to put the second one down (this will stop a lot of double-c4 nukes), breach charges are the only utility in the game like this, and c4 should be like it too, and c4 AOE player damage needs to be reduced (they can do this without affecting building AOE damage)

[fringe burrow]

"hurr durr my weapon is balanced badly so yours should be imbalanced too"

[glad delta]

the damage on a fucking revolver is fine and that 1 damage keeps it from being op. There's already a million fucking things that 1-shot a light.

[serene pewter]

Why do you run light if you find the class so shit

[inner flax]

there should be 3 character slots per class for a total of 9 slots. why have 3 classes with 3 abilities but only 6 slots? thats 3 different play styles. and for someone like the light with lots of decent weapon options only having 2 slots is sort of suffocating

[subtle copper]

fix the bug where you can't use any abilities or shoot until you pick up a barrel and throw it

[daring fossil]

I dont even think the LH1 is balanced badly. I would prefer if they reverted it to how it was in OB (much higher recoil with faster fire rate, and slightly less damage) but I doubt they will ever do that. I dont have issues hitting dudes at range or mid air with the LH1 and it has good hipfire at close range too.

@glad delta I agree the damage is fine, but there's several other factors besides damage and they need buffs. Revolver is mostly only useful within 10 meters. the LH1 is good up to 200 (its the best counter to snipers besides another sniper).

@inner flax that's what the reserve is for

[real marlin]

Fix mmr, I have bronze teammates as gold, and they suck, they get 200 combat points when I get like 7-8k, and atleast give me bronze opponents if I have bronze tm8

[woven hawk]

The average player in Solo Bank It would have an 8.3% win rate, unless placing top 6 counts as a win in stats. Regular Bank It is 25% unless top 2 = stat win. I strongly believe this should be the case

[unborn tangle]

remove low grave

[fringe burrow]

They should actually balance the falloff to be gradual so point blank it does at least 150 on a hs and past 10 it has a linear falloff instead of a weird wall where it stops damaging, I want an actual counter to the stun meta where I have to pray the rng lets me hit. Or honestly just remove stun gun.

[inner flax]

brother, i meant more for specialty abilities that was a secondary point. 3 specialties per class with 3 classes. so thats 3 play styles of each the different 3 classes. so there should be 9 slots. if you have can only have 2 specialties available to play per class other specialties will never see play. viable or not\

[sudden tangle]

Nuke oneshots are not fun in any way. C4 shouldn't have any oneshot potential. It should primarily be a destruction tool (you know, what Heavy is known for).

[sharp belfry]

Yes but we shouldn't remove the ability to place it on anything, including barrels. Also they are fun to use.

[hollow plinth]

I get put into a mid match empty team literally on every queue for my past 1 hr of playing quick match, game is just unplayable

[jagged sun]

always be kicked

[storm musk]

why is being invincible after revive a thing??

[crystal cloak]

Dawg how tf you gonna maintain aim while descending or ascending in the air?

[civic bluff]

ok a+ for comedy but on a serious note, having one tactic of hiding for an ambus shouldnt be the only thing your team does. recon lets you know youve been detected and forces you to change up your playstyle.

the game is very dynamic. holding and hiding will work if nobody runs recon but if they get jumped, someone might swap to the recon nade, then when you get caught out then you gotta swap up the strat, go for hard defense or hide further away. no hate or nothin lol
-all class main

[restive scaffold]

By holding right click, Dawg.

[quick coyote]

Dev are you ready to rewasd MnK ban?
Looking forward to ban wave.
I wanna see they lost all the skin and tier.

[cloud jungle]

"recon lets you know youve been detected" it literally doesn't. Recon removes any strategy that isn't "push 3v3 and aim better"

[quasi sky]

A weapon that lets you throw it and comes back (like a boomerang), sounds like it could be cool (though maybe weak?), may be fun to play around too

[violet mulch]

Ah yeah the argument of "If I tell you I'm wall hacking it's ok"

[tough kiln]

Yea man. I hope I didn't sound rude or harsh. I've just used it a lot and it's extremely rewarding and versatile. I hope you enjoy it! Hit those heat shots and you will be a monster. Lights and mediums are a given but if you hit headshots you can even 1v1 most heavies who hit most of their shots. The DPS is actually amazing on the revolver and you can use it from a pretty far distance. For how accurate it is. Just gotta get used to the iron sights. Also it's better to take your time for each shot than spam and miss more bc of the recoil.

[daring fossil]

legit, recon sense is the only thing I want actually removed from the game. Shit like cloak and stun gun and anything else anyone complains about need reworks, but recon sense needs to straight up be removed from the game. I don't even care if they changed it to be like a sonar where it pings, and made it so it didn't have endless range, I don't care. a toggleable wallhack ability has no place in a first person shooter.

[flat solstice]

nerf invisibility, especially if you dont allow of brightness settings to be adjusted in the game.

[royal pivot]

there should be a way to see someone steam profile through the scoreboard, idk if there's a reason to not implement this

[quick coyote]

i don't feel like FFA bank it is what people meant by solo q lol

[upper citrus]

ffa bank it is perfect. you can’t really have a competitive solo mode in a team based game

[noble saffron]

Add Gyat pants

[civic bluff]

loud recon noises, and the big text saying detected?

oh i misread, i thought he was talkin bout nade and forgot sense existed,

[quick coyote]

This text hasn't been displaying in my matches and it's easy to get confused especially if you have a teammate w/ recon that's using it
"Detected" has only shown up when I've been hit with a tracking dart/sonar grenade

[vagrant raptor]

if the dagger is only going to be viable for players who can consistently get backstabs then the sniper should only be viable for players who consistently get headshots. 115 damage for a body shot and 230 for a headshot is simply too much.

i believe it should be between 60 and 80 damage for a body shot and the headshots should remain unchanged.

[cloud jungle]

The noises have a radius of like 10-15 meters. Recon is map wide.

The detected text only appears with recon nades and recon darts.

You shouldn't give feedback if you don't even understand how the mechanics work.

[glacial salmon]

Pls take away gravity event, worst event in the world

[indigo pagoda]

The sword on light didn't count towards my melee damage quest

[gritty burrow]

One of my friends I was playing with earlier suggested there should be a Team Deathmatch(TDM) mode to 50 kills. Something that’s non-objective so the game doesn’t get boring from being repetitive.

[sharp belfry]

No objective...so the game doesn't get boring.... As if enough players don't already treat it like TDM

[brazen brook]

these unreal crashes are... unreal.

[daring fossil]

I think a TDM mode would be a better idea than solo bank-it, then at least all the cod kids ruining my games can go play TDM.

[crimson basin]

yeah, it would be interesting, even if for limited time to just see if it works

[bleak thistle]

@viral perch fix the cheaters, heavys now killing everyone across map with a hammer

[gloomy wraith]

This is insane💀

[pure salmon]

Cant wait for the next update

[sharp belfry]

They won't, they'll still be in your matches.

[marsh basin]

THISSSSS!!!! HOW WE CAN PLAY THE GAME, IF SO MANY FKN CHEATERS

[vocal prairie]

Is there a reason why the lights motion sensor doesnt count to detect 50 enemies on the weekly contract

[kindred nest]

115 too low imo 😂

[topaz anchor]

I still cant play The Finals and it's starting to really piss me off that they can announce a new update saying "it's a doozy" meanwhile a TON of people can't play because of the error code I have mentioned basically blocking us even though we do the troubleshooting they already offer on their forum. To think I requested my friends to get it and then this shit took affect

[bleak thistle]

@hoary badger fix the cheaters, heavys now killing everyone across map with a hammer

[vagrant raptor]

and 50 isn’t too low for the dagger? my point is the dagger sucks unless if you get backstabs the sniper should suck unless if you can get at least one headshot on whoever you are shooting at. if you cant kill them because you cant get a headshot then the sniper shouldnt be for you, just like if you cant get a backstab then the dagger isnt for you.

[tardy gorge]

why are there so many people cheating? whats the point of playing the game then

[abstract patio]

ran into my first legit cheater today after nearly 80+ hours of played time, otherwise amazing game but I just have no empathy for such a sad excuse for a 'gamer', go play GTA or skyrim you wanna have a god complex

[quick coyote]

To Reach The Finals.

[woeful arch]

I am sure it's been already reported but can't find it with my keywords: there is no sound preview currently for the sound emotes earned through specializations mastery. You literally have to unlock the sound to listen to it (see Stealth, Grappling Hook, Mesh Shield).

[hollow dune]

first time actually enjoying playing with randoms

[sour bane]

This game is super fun when it's a coordinated group

[bleak thistle]

@serene forum fix the cheaters, heavys now killing everyone across map with a hammer

[lavish jacinth]

theres a new update coming tomorrow so hopefully they fix what they can

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when? Update 1.5.0 when? Make light players 50 hp, thx.

[daring fossil]

maybe the patch in a few hours will fix it?

[hollow dune]

on god the other team had to be Diamond rank because there is no way they was killing us that fast

[sour bane]

i hope tmr's update shows the ranks of everyone in the lobby. hiding it isn't solving the problem

[ancient hare]

I love this game but the directional audio, especially with footsteps, might be the worst I've ever experienced in a long time. Fine tuning this while dampening teammate footsteps would be a huge QoL improvement imo

[bleak thistle]

@brittle heart fix the cheaters, heavys now killing everyone across map with a hammer

[viral fern]

Your stats page isn't accurate or your database isn't saving correctly. Not only have I not had wins register at different times but my win counter has actually gone down by 1 since I logged off last night. I know this because I hit a milestone last night (150 wins, might not be much for others but solid for me) and now I'm back to 149. Now I played a match and won and it is still sitting on 149 but the matches played counter went up by 1...

[tropic swift]

That part where you get stuck on a goo is pretty annoying. Running into goo can cause you to freeze at the spot and it can kill players because of that so much. Not talking about the part when goo is placed where players are, but when players just stands near it or run into it. It's annoying and imo one of the reasons why I barely use goo guns or goo granades.

[drifting pawn]

think thats intentional. its sticky

[long river]

this game blows😭😭

[daring fossil]

dude people have been complaining about the sledge hammer cheater all day, stop spamming random devs, report him in-game and be done with it.

[crystal cloak]

doesn't mean you're going to be 100% accurate df

[restive scaffold]

Yes, yes it does.

[random egret]

Theres a glitch where my gun goes invisible and i cant shoot or throw anything

[bleak thistle]

@frozen mica @daring fossil fix the cheaters, heavys now killing everyone across map with a hammer

[lunar creek]

Bruh

[simple quiver]

Howdy, love the game. Just have a quick point related around objective:

I think there needs to be an adjustment/rework to incentivizing initial vault and initial cashout.
there's almost zero reason whatsoever to go after the vaults, and it promotes waiting and rattting until the last second.

[sour bane]

i don't think i agree with point #2, when the time runs out, and it's actually running out, it just adds to the suspense. many times a team will wipe, but because they fought till the end, or it was a very clutch kill on a stealer, they get the cash out. extending would kill that imo

[sudden tangle]

1: yes, maybe even incentivize 'holding' the cashout with steady income on top of a big cashout
2: no, it would only incentivize going in last second even more..

[fervent coral]

Give mediums glitch grenades

[crystal cloak]

obviously not in this game if you're asking for 100% air accuracy

[thorny crypt]

is wooting analog function banable? (contacted dev, no response)

[simple quiver]

I would say point 2 isnt as important as point 1, its just a mechanic r6 has that causes some suspensefull "stick it" moments. But I 100% agree it would incentivize last second pushes even more, so I take back point 2.

[light pecan]

this game needs more gamemodes or variety. Current gameplay loop is great but allows for little creativity, although each Match will be different, it’s only the map that changes. Same gameplay loop everytime gets stale at times

I feel like this game could benefit from other gamemodes like overwatch 2, maybe a sort of capture the flag game mode?

[reef tangle]

My teammate DC-ed in the first 5mins of the game, and was DCed for so long their name also disappeared in the bottom right, but I still get negative ranked points...

I feel like if a team member is DC-ed for the majority of the game you shouldn't be able to get negative fame...

Edit: Also the other player had only 42 damage, 1 death and every other stat was zero, so it should have been even easier to detect.

[hot beacon]

I got DCed at the finals Ranked tournament.... tried to get back in. Server wouldn't let me. Didn't get any points.

And now I'm getting an error over and over again making the game unplayabe. TFGE0000.

Game was stable now it's just unplayable. What happend?

[green bison]

there's a bug where if you die in the practice range, all the viewmodels of your gadjets and your gun stop working properly

[daring fossil]

the practice range is riddled with view-model bugs, emoting breaks it too

[frozen vapor]

yoo i played 2h now and faced 3 cheaters pls do something thats ridiculous

[formal river]

has there been any resolve to error code TFMR0007. It just says my account is restricted

[quick coyote]

Suggested game feedback:

• Matchmaking timer penalty for leaver if less than 1-minute has passed during match and there are 3 players on the leaver's team
• Show ping of all on scoreboard
• Allow matchmaking only for games that are about to start, or games with less than 1-minute elapsed during match
• Semi-auto vs full-auto toggle, especially useful for Light V9S pistol, but also longer-range fights

[half wind]

please fix the glitch where your gun can't shoot.

[green bison]

i know it's already broken but make the stun gun hitbox a little better, i don't get why something as simple as the space between the arm and the torso should be enough to count as a miss

[terse egret]

Please fix the glitch where the med heals don’t work for a round

[feral canopy]

They already have the glitch trap, just place the glitch trap on a throwable, and throw it at someone and you've got a glitch grenade lol

[quick coyote]

Nah you don't need to die just do a emote.

[undone belfry]

What if I say you are just bad? Like you did with controller players without aim assist? If you wanna counter it play it or if you are near the person hear the Sound of it and play angles.

Yeah Recon is the best perk in the game right now. But the thing is that you give up on stuff like turrets (which is a heavy hp body and a team running 3 of those kinda insta win a cashbox when they defend and place them rightly) and healing gadget.

Yeah Recon is unhealty in its current state, like really broken as you can see the entire map and dont need any Situational awareness.

But it can be dealt with easily by just letting it see in a range where you here the Sound of it activating (like really close) and not the player models itself. Just the colors. So you dont know if it is a heavy or light. Because you dont just push a heavy frontally when you are medium in a 1v1.
Also disable its trigger ability. Once you acitvate it drains till its done. So you only have a short advantage, not a constant one.

Its still wallhacks. But I don't think the devs gonna remove it. Because then they need to implement a new gadget which is minimum on par with it or the turret/healing. Or else its just a waste.

[summer venture]

potential recon senses rework (theres gonna be more needed that just this) but what if it enables wallhacks on the person using it as well? Still tho the range needs to be nerfed at the very least

[feral canopy]

I remember when this game first came out and everyone was saying recon sense was the most useless perk and then everyone started using it and it then apparently became the most broken thing lmao. Personally I think the recon is fine to stay as it is, just give it a bit of a cooldown and it'll be fairly balanced since it's then more situational. Either that or change it to a bloodhound scan from apex

[kindred creek]

Make the light dagger a permanent secondary for all classes

[nocturne flare]

Poké ball skin for dome shield when?

[mellow tangle]

there needs to be a chat function to chat with friends similar to the likes of valorant so when someone is in a match they can see the messages as well as in lobby. the invite system needs a revamp to also allow a request to join. and better notifications of party invites. allow the ability to add people as friends on steam so we can send a message to them through steam as well. i have made a few friends since playing but i have no ability to message them on steam or see if they are in a full party or if they are in a current match etc. this is only a qol suggestion. loving the game im actually kind of addicted. thanks

[dusk cedar]

I need a 3rd add me- virtualfashion#9382

[feral canopy]

Would be great if there was a camera gadget that people could place down and view! You could easily balance it out by having the camera play a noise when someone's viewing the camera feed.

Also just on a separate point, the playing cards skin for the throwing knives in the battle pass should have its own sound rather than using the default throwing knife sound, i.e. it should sound like playing cards when thrown. Just sounds odd personally when you throw the cards, and you get that sound of something metal being thrown lol

[soft rain]

They are metal cards lol. Would be weird if normal playing cards did same damage as throwing daggers. 😄

[marble blade]

I think gaming at this point doesn't really mean ranks anymore, learning a new game is hard and all but imagine being really really good at FPS games and having spend thousands of hours into csgo for instance, someone whith then 2 hours into the finals would still destroy 99% of people. That's why i find it funny when people accuse other people of hacking. Due to the lack of their own skill

[feral canopy]

Eh it's a game though anything's possible haha. For me personally it just doesn't fit the aesthetic of throwing cards even if they are metal, it sounds like something bladed is being thrown like a throwing knife would if that somehow makes sense (not sure if it does) rather than something the shape of a playing card would

[cunning stag]

Devs please, MnK support for consoles bro, please. I don't know why you wouldn't add this feature, it actually works on my Xbox, but there's no settings, I can't change my sens nor keybinds, please fix.

[echo phoenix]

Report Cheater Killed 460 players in rank game https://v.douyin.com/iLD9fnsR/ banned him plz

[limpid rampart]

this is kind of a joke and don't expect it to be taken seriously but also i'm so fucking serious (i'm extremely susceptible to furry-bait)

I will sell my soul to you Embark if you drop a body type/body paint that has fur on it. I don't care how much I have to pay for it. I will unironically drop $60 for it. I understand the technical limitations, and possibly issues with clothing, perhaps you guys would need to create an entirely new face/head, which probably isn't worth it in the end.

or just more furry cosmetics idk (red panda headgear + black body paint are the only good ones right now)

also more coats would be cool because the red panda headgear looks like shit paired up with any shirts or anything less thick than the urban operative jackets on the light class (the f2p sweater pairs up well on medium)

im speaking for an almost microscopic portion of the playerbase (furries) but it does look like they're trying to cover as many bases as possible regarding cosmetics (milsimmers, streetwear fanatics (yeat fans), weebs, etc.)

(cringe rant over)

[cold pilot]

REMOVE RECON

[civic bluff]

as a furry, nah man. im content with the current direction of cosmetics

[royal flume]

Nukes are the black plague. Please nerf

[livid rapids]

Damn

[limpid rampart]

understandable, but just a question

is it because of the general art style of the game? Anthros are a bit harder to pull off and make look actually decent when a game goes for more realism in the way it presents itsself, compared to other games with a more cartoony art style (e.g. Fortnite)

As a furry, why are you against it? Cringe potential?

[feral canopy]

Next thing people will be saying to add an anime body girl pillow as a cosmetic item 🙃

[robust zealot]

how i send clips?

[lapis pollen]

I'm tired. Hope that they bring back beta dagger in the update. If not, I will leave a while and wait for it.

[reef tangle]

TIL the revolver has wall banging
Which means it's great for people will wall hacks and aim bot :D
Please add damage drop off based on how many walls a bullet goes through, so I'm not being killed on the other side of the map behind cover, thanks 👍

[manic aspen]

got ping diffed (get rid of cheaters in asia server ffs)

[civic bluff]

cringe potential, and it dosent fit the style. the stylistic realism that the finals goes for would mean either mascot cosmetics or weird realism that just wont look right, plus the cosmetics dont really change the silhouette of a player all that much, too many species, too many color opportunity's and patterns, and just too different from the styles and themes of the game.

[glacial mural]

I mean I don't mind having funny, colorful, abstract skins, but I really don't feel like playing against a team of furbies, thanks

[dire hound]

Very wonderful request

[molten narwhal]

Definitely need beards tho

[quick coyote]

ah yes

[lapis pollen]

not every Chinese are cheater, but most of cheater are Chinese

[gentle zinc]

Add a Scottish map

[grim pebble]

feedback that I want to give is the blast radius on the gas mines because today when I was playing this person just jumped directly over the mine and it didn't go off

[quick coyote]

they should rename their shitty software: easy (to breach) anti cheat

[viscid socket]

Does anyone know approximately what time the update will take place?

[half wind]

last update was like dec 20 so im assuming jan 19/20 prolly midnight?

[gentle zinc]

No today

[tired gorge]

lol, at least theres only one in your game

[upbeat cloud]

muito tempo para achar partidas

[viscid socket]

#game-announcements message @half windI don't think you saw this.

[wary girder]

howcome im damaging people with arena carriables but it doesnt count for the challenge

[eager barn]

Pls work on that:

• Mediums: Defib should be an ability instead of a gadget
• OR you limit the defib for ex. 3 times per match.. 3 Mediums perma heal and revive is just stupid ngl..
• Lights need a HP-Boost
• Heavy need a Lewis Gun Nerf
• Nerf the nuke (maybe less dmg OR C4 only can stick to walls)
• pls fix the spawn are.. its not nice to spawn 200m away from a cashout in the final..
• maybe add some unique weapons to each class

[warped elk]

I still can’t equip mit Battlepass skins, I always have two skins equipped at the same time

[brave pollen]

Has to be a direct hit, throw the red ones

[quick coyote]

you shut your mouse! ❤️

[night spruce]

if you dont intend to let us disable forced upscaling (TAA) give us an option to go above 100% resolution scale or a seperate resolution scale slider 0-200%. so we can mitigate the BLUR

[half wind]

ohhhhhh shit

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for a bow

[livid oasis]

OOOOO BOW SOUNDS NICE! I like the idea a lot. But who would get it? Medium or light???? I feel like lights get all the fun weapons! Heavy should get a cross bow then 😶

[tacit aspen]

nice store update nothing has changed

[tired gorge]

Can we have less cheaters?

[native portal]

day 19 of asking for rank based matchmaking for season 2

[stoic cosmos]

Lower the probability of getting Las Vegas, the least wanted map by most players and horrible fps for low end PC's.

[manic aspen]

add a limit to how many defibs you can do per round, or make the cooldown like 3 minutes

[tawny oak]

why is it taking so long and so hard for you guys to fix the fucking damage registration on pc?

[stone crown]

Easy. Just region-lock China

[fast ferry]

Please add:

• possibility to view whole loadout of team members before a match starts. allows for easier "counter pick"/adjustments
• daily/weekly tracker tab when being in-game e.g. when pressing tab there is also the quest tracker. It would be even better if we can select quests and pin them ourself
• a second look on where we spawn on maps because compared to beta, I feel (which implies I am unsure about that fact) like we spawn way to far away from the contested cashout point

[obtuse fable]

Press 'J' by default to view your TEAMATES LOADOUTS before the Intro Screen start. This is already in the game.

There is sometimes bug for sure that will spawn 1 random member of your team super far and not grouped up on a Team Wipe. However, most of the time, the spawn points are as far as they need to be. Utilize ZIPLINES off cooldown or in a Chain with other Mediums on your team to touch point quicker was spawned back up.

[civic bluff]

J

[nocturne flare]

Ospuze cans in my local grocery store when?

[grim steeple]

Which build?

[feral canopy]

You can already see your team members loadouts before the match starts, just press J if you're on PC, square if on PS and X if on Xbox

[uncut apex]

please give next gen console 120fps mode

[icy aspen]

Speaking of console I think they need to increase the aim assist half way between what it is now and what it was before because currently it’s too weak and makes many weapons unusable

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for a more comprehensive contextual ping system

[manic aspen]

i hope stuff like this doesn't happen after the patch

[jagged parcel]

Hold middle mouse button for my ping options

[tawny oak]

aim assist is fine, the registration.damage is the problem

[tired gorge]

aim assist is still broken in mid range

[icy aspen]

Might be that, but after the nerf my kills per game dropped by like 8. Unless damage reg became bad after the nerf I think aim assist needs to be buffed a bit.

[tall herald]

get this damn report fuction to work properly, it cant be that im fuckin raging and trying to report those damn people and i cant because this report function just stops working and i dont know even why in midgame, makes no damn sense

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for more visual feedback when both of your teammates are dead, and you dying will result in a team wipe. Having to look in the bottom left and see if they have skulls or healthbars takes too much time in the heat of the moment, and doesn't show the urgency of staying alive in that moment

[placid valley]

Playing a shooting game with aim assistance is like a person in a wheelchair participating in the NBA, but he can call Michael Jordan to help him shoot

[viscid socket]

When will it be updated? Why hasn't there been any news yet?

[sonic flare]

Be patient

[gilded sleet]

Pls add mouse to ps5, we need fair play with xbox

[mellow tangle]

update should drop tomorrow ish

[digital snow]

Its today, in a few hours, check the news.

[tawny oak]

its the damage reg, ive shot people a ton and its not doing the proper amount, i play mainly on pc and tried the game on ps5 and the damage was better on ps5 than it is on pc, i just played a game where i was shooting someone taking the cashout and no registration, the issue is phantom bullets and server ping/dumb shit I dont know but it seems like the MAIN GOAL for the devs is to work on and make the store better so that you can buy stuff instead of actually using a proper anticheat system and making sure the servers are running optimal performance and stability but you know aim assist from crying pc players had to be addressed insanely fast. useless dev team

[desert stump]

anyone else getting killed by sledgehammer across the map? these cheats are out of control

[normal sapphire]

agreed

[waxen trout]

It would be nice if we could put colored skins over skins such as the "Snub Nose" for the revolver

[tawdry flax]

Hi Developer I have a concern about this cheater with more than 100 kills :

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v-yjWrz8FXj_Yz4ZqmC5FGzOqAb4LFd-/view?usp=sharing

[lost jay]

me too

[still swallow]

I doubt this is ever getting read, but I personally believe the 1st cashout rarely ever matters in tournament mode. All games go to the 2nd cashout and a team that gets 15k from the 2nd cashout will still have more money than a team who got 10k from the 1st cashout, even if they wipe and lose 30% (4500) of their money. I find that the 1st cashout almost never matters unless you bring both vaults to the same cashout and win 20k, at which point you often win automatically if you dont team wipe since most games dont make it to the 22k cashouts.

I think the overcentralization of the 2nd cashout is unhealthy for the game, the 1st cashout feels like it literally does not matter and right now the game feels like nothing but the 1 or 2 fights around the 2nd cashout matter at all.

[paper nacelle]

so what are they supposed to do? remove first cashout? then the 15k is the new 10k lol

[marsh gorge]

I have no issue with the cash outs personally but some have said they should all equal the same amount no matter the numerical value (1&2=10k and 3&4 also = 10k)

[lapis acorn]

I suggest starting teams offf with 5k so team wipes around the first cash out matters more and if you get the first cash out you are at an advantage and can even skip the second cash out

[next raptor]

Dude stop teasing me and drop the patch

[sterile pawn]

Fix the grappling hooks

[floral gale]

Please drop the patch😂

[plucky summit]

what the! Must have been insanely frustrating

[elfin pine]

https://outplayed.tv/media/GvN16L 🤝

[still swallow]

Obviously I'm not suggesting they remove the first cashout. i dont have any specific suggestions but there are lots of things that could be tried. currently the values for the 2nd and 3rd cashouts are positioned such that even if you win the cashout but teamwipe, you are still most likely ahead of teams that won the preceding cashout, and I think thats a little insane. Playing around with a starting cash value could be interesting, but it's possible this only makes the problem worse or at least doesnt make it significantly better. With a value like 5k you might be even further incentivised to not play the 1st cashout and all in for the 2nd cashout, since now you are slightly punished for dying at the first cashout. I think a interesting strategy could be to have cashouts pay out some amount of money over time, something like half their value, and then half their value at the end. This could give some more dynamic game results that arent just whoever wins the 2nd cashout qualifies 80% of the time. If the game goes to a 3rd cashout that doesnt even really solve the problem because then whoever wins the 3rd cashout qualifies 80% of the time. Playing with the values of the 3 cashouts could also work, making later cashouts worth less could help with giving the game more dynamic results other than "whoever got the most recent cashout is qualifying", but I worry that it will still come down to a very small sample of your fights and decisions actually mattering just due to the nature of the game.

[soft rain]

You are forgetting something here, no one goes to play finals to camp in a corner to wait second or third cashout. People play to have fun, get kills etc. So first cashout will be fought over, even its 1 dollar reward. 😄

[young tide]

||||| NEW GAME IDEA ||||||
I call it "anything goes" it is a completely non competitive game mode and is purely based on being really goofy with the aspects of the finals... basically it can either be like bank it or quick cash... but instead of your generic light medium and heavy ability's you will be able to use any ability on any character and any weapon on any character, this means yes you can have an invisible sniper heavy, it also means you can have a medium with mesh shield running around with a rocket launched... yes it's stupidly unfair but it's not meant to be taken seriously, it's a casual game mode that is hectic and funny as anything

[slender mountain]

the amount of games that have cheaters or people missing from teams in ranked has increased significantly recently and it's so demoralizing something needs to be done urgently

[lapis acorn]

I think you are overestimating how low people will go to win matches. I mean look at apex and Fortnite pro matches where players sit in builds/ buildings until the final circle and try not to engage in fights

[soft rain]

Yes but the penalty of wiping at the start of the match is close to 0, so why not go and fight for the first cashout? There is no downsides of going there and having a blast, you might even cap and get the cash. 🙂

[quartz shell]

A gamemode where there is no gadgets limitation example: you can place ore than 2 mines (infinite c4s, infinite jump pads, etc)

[sudden tangle]

Patch when?

[slim rapids]

This have sbmm? No way if they don't remove it from casual matches the game not going to last long, it's fun and all but pff

[alpine wren]

When is the patch ?

[old shore]

how much does the new bundle cost?

[feral canopy]

Yeah personally I haven't had any issues with the ping system, just hold middle mouse button and click on the ping you want

[covert dock]

it will be in about 2 more hours i think

[round lagoon]

Keep yapping 🥱🥱🥱

[hearty jasper]

voice-chat crashes on linux ):

[austere knot]

is the update online?

[shut gulch]

yeah imo sbmm should be for comp only because that's what it's made for, to separate skill groups

but i mean my lobbies havent been too awful so i wont really complain either

[graceful sequoia]

Photo Mode (just in the lobby)

I would love to change the camera, perspective, pose, and lighting to show the drip. A photo mode in the lobby, when you are changing clothes could be awesome for thumbnails and fanarts.

What do you think about it?

[echo otter]

Killcams.

[shrewd vine]

I didn't know SBMM in casual was a thing, but I also frankly don't understand why its a problem. I think if new players jumped in and immediately got their asses railed it would just make them want to not play.

[desert flame]

1.5 patch notes pls

[slim rapids]

Also I've read that better you do in public games the better players matches you with in ranked. Is that true? Bc doesn't make any sense

[next talon]

hi !
So... basically the last two days I spent some time on the game and had a lot of fun. But there are some issues that i think need to be fixed.
First and foremost on my last 5 games i have encountered 3 hacker games. Using stab kill bug and hammer kill bug.
Second is about the ranked games, sometimes my teammate just leave the games or never join. But I still lose point when I lose. And I think it's a bit unfair to lose points when we're playing 2v3v3v3 or 1v3v3v3.
Thirdly there is some game where the money load get stuck under the maps... and it make it impossible to cash money, this is very frustrating. (i forget to screen but it happen on my last game)
Is a solo arena mode is planning ?

[thorny crescent]

I think this game should consider a substantial update and call it 1.5

[royal pivot]

this is not true at all

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for either a themepark map or a film backlot map

[glacial mural]

Themepark would be fully to play on if you could ride some of the attractions. Imagine riding a Ferris wheel to the sky

[feral canopy]

Better cross hair customisation as well as text chat, and for voice comms to not be opt in and instead just give people the option to mute

[drifting glacier]

Great way of killing the hype by delaying

[worldly fable]

bro hell no, massive waste of resources, just make more european/seul-like maps and make them more dynamic

[sand adder]

Embark should have a media team, if they don't already have one. which would allow them to see how actually broken weapons are through videos, and separate the line of people who are good with the weapons. This would also allow them to gauge the size of a problem, As well as noting stuff like content creators talking about bugs. It would also maby give ideas of what kind of cheats people are using, Because most cheaters now don't carte if they get caught. There's other possible benefits to this that i could not be seeing at the moment.

[eager barn]

Can you add a cashout timer?

[sudden tangle]

Yo

[slim rapids]

I thought so but then why I get matched with gold and diamond player when I'm in bronze, I'm not good enough to play with them

[willow yoke]

sbmm is for both modes. Your unrated sbmm is the same as your ranked. So you can be bronze/silver but get constantly matched against plat/diamond

[feral canopy]

The game should allow trusted players to help with game moderation similar to how counter strike lets higher ranked players review game footage of reported cheaters

[soft rain]

That is actually 100% true. SBMM is shared, so when you queue up for ranked, your rank doesn't matter at all, only SBMM. So if you play good quick games, your sbmm rises and then you go play ranked and get diamond lobbies as bronze. Its totally fucked up. SBMM and RBMM should be separate.

[wide eagle]

I said, i didn´t want to spark a heated argument and i just asked for feedback no need to get hostile, and i even said that i maybe just suck and that it was an idea.

[woven hawk]

Wasting my slowmode chance to say you're wrong. Literally saw a dev in discord couple days ago say the sbmm is separate for unranked and ranked. Idk where people pull these "facts" from. Fantasy? Other games? Lack of thought? Desire to sound smart? I'll never know.

Search "aggressive queue" in the finals chat to see.

[tepid shoal]

Can we have a inbuilt messaging system, because when I add or someone adds me its hard to communicate to people who you have friends with on the game itself not on console (playstation in my case) because from my experience It's usually fail to join their squad or mine. All I'm saying is we should message our friends/people who we added on the game to make us the players to communicate more to see what's up or what's the problem is and why I can't join their squad because of their settings or mine.

[neat siren]

I seconded this

[edgy fulcrum]

Offering the new Military Skin in 2 separate packages (Player Skin and Weapon Skins) is a huge W

[limpid meteor]

my microphone gets very quiet everytime i try to use the voice chat in game on windows 10 smeone help

[shrewd vine]

https://streamable.com/lnbbf9 Embark, at this point I'll accept if you drop everything in favour of developing the anti-cheat. This is Europe, where conservatively speaking every 5 games I get guys using this cheat. While I'm not trying to cast aspersions, the lobby had a purple rewasd user as well. At the end the cheater just killed everything and used his sledgehammer to knock down cashouts and cap at the end. Both teams with cheaters qualified because they hit the most vaults and pink took all the cashouts. Ranked is legitimately miserable if I don't play with my NA friends and then my ping takes a hit. I can't even fathom what the poor Asian players have to deal with.

[tame tulip]

"Fixed some issues where hair could clip visually with various headwear" https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1195507141847564308/1197174257055170630/image.png?ex=65ba4e69&is=65a7d969&hm=53bd4b113f06ce563d7eec41e0283e6da4ead2357979b1cfe42da70842039f7d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[slim karma]

Just saw the patch notes that were hyped up and pretty disappointed. Nerfing the grapple??? Allowing nuking to still be a thing? Barely nerfing recon senses? This isn't enough and embark should do better and play their game more.

[tepid trench]

Make kill cams please I need people to see my cool spray

[marsh oriole]

so LİTERALLY CHANGED NOTHİNG WİTH THAT PATCH. FUCKİN AWESOME MAN. LİTERALLY SOLVED ZERO PROBLEMS WİTH THE PATCH AFTER 1 MONTH. WELL PLAYED.

[sudden tangle]

Dude this patch is actually so shit. You buffed recon sense? What are you actually thinking?? You nerf L in so many ways??? Invis nerf, DB nerf, but you don't buff their other abilities???? You nerf DB but you don't nerf FCAR, the literal most oppressive weapon in the game????? Is this game not even slightly interested in it's competitive scene?????? Congrats, you just made LMH become utterly useless. Wtf is this fking shit????????

[daring pagoda]

wow, still no real gas nefrs
yeah, the devs are delusional, game will be dead in a few months

[north dew]

Those patch notes are very dissapointing to be honest 😦

[normal steeple]

Hello guys why does it say cheater software detected? I have zero software on my pc thats not legit

[burnt lark]

they nerfed light more than medium, uninstalling. dirty bomb 2.0 dead af next month tbh

[rustic meadow]

this chat is interesting

[frozen valley]

Rpg dmg nerf below 150 is the dumbest thing I've seen of all the balance changes

There is now officially no counter play to light users.

All you have to do now is learn how to play light and you'll dominate the game and every other build is just there to support them

GG

[opal leaf]

L patch for wallhack users Aka recon sense, let's see if C4 barrel is fixed at least

[rigid vessel]

OMG Patch 1.5.0 IS SO GOOD THANK YOU EMBARK♥️ 😭

[fiery harness]

damn those are some really reasonable patch notes im positively surprised to see that

[magic herald]

SH1900 Shotgun
Damage decreased from 12 to 10 damage per pellet
Huge W

[tranquil kelp]

Except the RPG change, there is literally not a single weapon change that has literally any game impact whatsoever. None of the other weapons is crossing any breakpoints. All still need the exact same ttk, exact same number of bullets, anything. That patch is literally just 100% placebo changes

[molten solstice]

V9S slight buff?? Already best weapon in the game

[autumn dagger]

We still need overtime if capturing cashout! Quickplay

[teal latch]

+1 dmg here -1 there. Gonna be basically unnoticeable 99% of the time.

[silent crypt]

Let’s play this patch for some days, then leave feedback

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for a bow

[plucky veldt]

the finals still - the medium lol
Recon Senses just 1>1.5 still op

[prime brook]

bro they almost buffed it HAH TF

[feral canopy]

Grapple needs a buff if I'm honest, the amount of people using it is probably conflated by the fact it's the default for light, but most people will more likely switch to invis or dash later on

[ashen peak]

maybe on paper, in game every second/millisecond counts lol

[gaunt perch]

I didn't see any FCAR nerf, I would be happy with even 1 damage less per bullet. That thing shreds in high ELO

[prisma ledge]

Where can I read about the new update changes?

[narrow parrot]

#patch-notes probably here ..

[outer snow]

Okay so Patch 1.5.0 has better Anti-Cheat? It now recognizes AIDA64 as an active "Debugger" and won't launch the game.

[forest creek]

u said big shop. first this shop have only 4 new items, and they are all bad. can we have a good shop one time? there was so many good skins in the beta why is it so hard???

[hearty hound]

Is pc optimization better??

[sour bane]

I'm really surprised that light caught more of a nerf than medium, with how strong defib, recon senses, etc are in ranked. Quite disappointing to be honest.

Will play some more ranked to see but I imagine Medium will still be the class of choice in ranked

[glossy glacier]

Recon nerf isn't that good. Still going be broken af

Here's a few suggestions

Limit range to 75 meters
Make activation of it cost a few seconds of usage so there's a penalty for turning it back off and on

[royal moat]

I'm not a big fan of today's update. The nerfed light more than it should be, could be too early to say this, idk. I think reducing RPG dmg by 10 is weird. That is a minor buff to light class, but still. I think recon needs a range nerf and more. This better be good for nukes. They also need to add more recoil to FCAR. Shit beams to easily.

[normal glen]

I feel like the proximity sensors, recon senses and tracking arrow should count towards the revealing enemies mission.

[vivid kraken]

adding to this, the max duration of the recon senses shouldn't be long at all, like 10 seconds or so with a 3.5 sec activation cost.
that way you can't spam it on and off and have to use it more strategically to get the most intel out of fights

[lapis pollen]

Nothing for dagger? I quit.

[untold haven]

recon nerf is not nearly enough, and BUFF THE GRAPPLE OH MY GOD

[cunning stag]

So the sniper damage stays the same? It should one shot medium on the head too. Just nerf the range so people don't camp with it.

[thorn venture]

Are we already bitching about the new patch? Yall are ridiculous. Its been out for not even an hour

[north dew]

Following those patch notes i feel like a need to reiterate the point in balancing is.

If you increase damage, the time to kill has to go down, otherwise it is useless. If the LH goes from 47 to 49, This effectively only changes the time to kill against shields, not againts players and therefore doesn't really change the balancing

Time to kill, range, ammo, recoil thats what matters effectively.

Please also stop doing placebo buffs/nerfs and actually give us the intel on what the changes are suposed to do, like the following

M60

• Damage increased from 21 to 22 - This will decrease bullets to kill a medium from 13 to 12 shots at medium range againts a medium - We noticed no one was using the M60, so we are buffing it when it comes to consistent medium range fire.

[worn spade]

so LİTERALLY CHANGED NOTHİNG WİTH THAT PATCH. FUCKİN AWESOME MAN. LİTERALLY SOLVED ZERO PROBLEMS WİTH THE PATCH AFTER 1 MONTH. WELL PLAYED.

[chrome merlin]

Generally I am very happy with the changes and embark listens to their community which is awsome but one thing I am missing is some sort of dagger buff. Dagger is way less viable than sword currently and needs a little buff. Like a speed buff and health buff while using it nothing crazy, just 25hp and idk what numbers are apropriate for the speed buff. This would not make dagger viable and dagger schould not be viable but it schould be playable at least

[zealous apex]

Can we please get an actual buff for the throwing knives? Many thanks.

[junior ridge]

Rework recon and make similar to the solar nades. Where you get a zone where you can see people aswell as letting people know that they're detected.

[queen cloud]

HOLY LH1 Is scary now. It deletes at any range

[undone belfry]

This Patch is so bad. Like non of the core issues besides maybe the cloacking are getting addressed... here we see that data isn't everything... they didn't truly listened to the feedback. Like nerfing the meta guns fcar etc., disabling the nuke (or making it that when c4 is sticked to an obj that it does reduced damage), Recon (they actually kinda boosted it? With decreasing some time?) and other important stuff, the list would be long....

No aim assist adjustments. In reddit they already have said so many times that aim assist is unreliable. It sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.. on pc the cheating issue. Like is the anti cheat now more stronger etc.? Or will you guys still see hammer guys with 100+ kills...

No ranked and unranked toruney changes in terms of actual ranks beeing used instead of a hidden mmr... very weak patch. But hey, tons of cosmetics!

[waxen citrus]

Would be awesome if there could be a UI margin option in the settings for us Super Ultrawide users

[stiff sky]

Fixed an issue that allowed Mouse and Keyboard to be enabled on some consoles

Um excuse me?!? This was great! Add it back!

[drifting blaze]

Well i saw that coming a mile away

[next sedge]

I like what I've read from the patch. A little disappointed that the throwing knives didn't get any small buffs though the trail might end up being the buff needed. I also never reported it because I assumed someone already had. Throwing knives have an animation bug with the alt fire where in situations where you're moving around a bunch maybe the alt fire animation won't play making it hard to know when it's going to throw outside of muscle memory knowledge. I didn't see a fix for this in the notes so gonna give that feedback this time.

Maybe make a bug report chat

[indigo kindle]

The light changes were an actual joke lmao. Class now even more in the dumpster than before, nobody will stop using cloak either, Cuz the other options are awful or generally bad

[hard mesa]

I am once again praising the clever solution of nerfing nukes (by making thrown items travel less far when having an explosive attached to them)

[craggy jackal]

no gonna lie the new solo cashrain mode is trash. no one is actually fighting for cash. everyone just runs for a cashbox and then cloaking to cash it in - REPEAT

[kindred creek]

at this point they might as well make it a permanent secondary weapon

[feral canopy]

Does every message you post on here need to have bernie sanders and start with "I am once again" ?

[violet mulch]

No way they """""nerfed""""" recon so lightly. An entire month of wait to get "nah we can't play without wall hacks"

[leaden stag]

nothing for model 1887? im out

[sudden tangle]

WOw Embark, what an amazing patch, you really addressed the very interesting meta in ranked, you finally made it so M can play the game. It's also amazing that you didn't remove nukes from the game, getting oneshot by chairs is truly the epitome of competitive gaming.

Future notes, if you could buff the fcar some more, because even though it was beaming at all ranges, and yes, it can 3 shot lights (this class is op anyway, good that theres at least a counter for them!) it needs more bullets. Sure, 20 bullets can kill 2 heavies, but it would be better if the fcar had 31 bullets!

Also I am very glad you nerfed Lights OP invis because it was the only thing that was being used by the one Light I saw per ranked lobby. Also, amazing that you didn't buff any other of Lights abilities, because, even though, nobody fking used them, at least now, nobody will still fking use them.

[stoic vine]

No mention of any optimisation in the patch notes… gg it’s over for me then.

[tight spade]

is the change to the lewis recoil intented or? nothing about it in patch notes

[keen steppe]

A change that wasn't mentioned in the patch note is that recon sense cant be deactivated anymore. I'm testing it rn in the practice range. Maybe its a bug tho.

Overall tho pretty underwhelming patch. Thought they could do better and would listen more.

[misty owl]

FIX THE DAGGER, PLEASE!
Remove the melee auto aim(or make an option to disable it) and fix the hitbox of players back.

[past bloom]

Well not playing till next patch, nerfing lights but not touching fcar and softly nerfing recon senses. What a joke.

[obsidian frost]

add more cashouts on solo bank it, lower amount of money per vault add more vaults. give xp bigger mag but increase recoil. stun gun should not have nerfe, against heavys its a 60 - 40 fight heavys 60. mediums 50 - 50, lights 90 - 10

[green bison]

literally the only good things in this patch was the tiny stun gun nerf, and the rocket launcher no longer one shotting lights, everything else is completely irrelevant.

Light is the weakest class in the game, i thought you guys said you had statistics for even how many people use recon senses? and yet you still decide to buff recon senses and nerf the extremely weak class?

[turbid gate]

Devs please listen to us MMM and MMH is no fun to play against in COMP please bro make some meaningful changes and why nerf lights….again???

[merry creek]

Taking down 2 heavies with 20 bullets .... are they paralysed and lined up?

[waxen trout]

i really hope they add more character customization in the future in terms of face and body rather than just cosmetics

[obtuse cove]

Recon sense needs to be removed. Adding a half second activation nerf is not a "nerf" to cross map wall hacks. While you're add it just remove lights because you don't want them to be played.

[abstract marlin]

Still no dagger revert 🥲

[prisma ledge]

I agree. The devs usually listen to the majority. The problem is that most people play the strongest class in the game (medium). And medium players whine as soon as they need some skills to pull something off. That's why everything else will be nerfed and everyone will end up leaving or playing medium

[heavy ruin]

Theres a bug where if you have mesh shield equiped and right after use a sledgehammer heavy hit theres no animation

[summer venture]

YOU IDIOTS ACTUALLY BUFFED MEDIUM AND NERFED LIGHT BRO JUST REMOVE IT FROM THE GAME AT THIS POINT 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[near silo]

The fact that both Light and Heavies were primarily nerfed is a travesty, the strongest meta being 2 or 3 mediums per team along with the FCAR, Recon Senses and Defib being so oppressing in games.
FCAR has best in class dps AND range.
Recon gives full information with no counterplay.
Defib negates the cost of getting a kill when they can just be instantly revived, meaning you effectively have to kill a team twice if they are all running defib.

[lapis pollen]

I will wait for it, but now I should leave this game for a while

[sour bane]

I'm a ranked only player that started playing Medium because of Recon Senses. It is a pretty broken ability. I don't think the cooldown and activation nerfs are enough, its ability to see everything going on in the entire maps needs to be reworked IMO.

MMM, MMH, MHH gets pretty boring after awhile.

[gleaming geyser]

what is the point of recon senses patch????? you were suppose to nerf it not fidget with it

[fleet coral]

READ THIS

[queen rover]

Complete embarrassment of a balance patch, embark is fumbling

[ashen peak]

bruh stop whining about the fcar, it has ONLY 20 BULLETS, the amount of times i've died against a low opponent (<10 hp) because you can't finish them is so much

[slim karma]

.

[forest creek]

sry, i had good hopes but this is just bad. trash item shop, trash balance u nerfed lights and the change on the recon is nothing compare on the nerf he should of got. created new game mode and not the basics? where is customs where is reply system where match history where is normal ranked MM where is text chat?? if u want to earn money u have to put good skins in the shop not this shit. give skins from the betas!😭

[plucky veldt]

fk Recon Senses more nerf idiot

[subtle oak]

Oh no this update…
My friends and me were saying goodbye to Recon yesterday.

Looks like nobody is going to play light and its going to be a jungle of wallhacks now…

Very disappointing patch.

[lavish shard]

Rat cloak crying baby now the real light its coming

[plush turret]

Creating a new game mode before making colourblind settings actually help colourblind people, nice

[sick marten]

is anyone else having issues with the game launching?

[pastel sage]

I'm surprised recon hasn't been touched as much, but it's a good start. However, Recon is still very strong, completely making scan grenades and tracking dart (unless at very long range) useless.
I'd suggest either reworking the way recon works, by making it a pulse with multiple charges, instead of being a long lasting toggle that lasts for a while.
Making it 3 charge quick pulse, that shows the location of the enemies for like 1 second should be enough to make it still useful in specific situations, while losing your healing/turret. Range could be slightly reduced, as well.
Currently, Recon can be an insanely oppressive option, while being unable to precisely localize the enemy yourself (sound isn't enough).

[blazing pier]

BEST CHANGE IN TODAYS PATCH NOTES LETS GO BOYS

[exotic marten]

NGL developers, this patch is pretty disappointing. Lots of changes that seem superfluous and then there are glaring omissions. This game is going to live or die based on your ability to identify issues within the games meta and this patch has largely failed to do this.

• Cloak nerf felt entirely unnecessary. Light is the least played and highest skill floor class to play in Ranked.
• Recon nerf doesn't matter at all, why does this ability exist in the state it does?
• No changes to FCAR, by far the best gun in the game bar none. Similarly, no changes to Defib either which is insane.
• On that topic, weapon changes mean absolutely shit all if you don't explain what the changes mean in the first place.
• A whole bunch of weapons still unviable (e.g. Flamer damage is whatever if the range is the same as the Hammer, it still isn't going to be run. No fixes to janky dagger)
• Certain abilities are still just the worst in show (Goo gun and Grappling hook come to mind, why would you ever pick these when the other options are so much better?)
  Just a very amateur patch which seems to indicate that the developers do not play or understand their game very much at all.

[worn spade]

Fixed an issue that allowed Mouse and Keyboard to be enabled on some consoles

Um excuse me?!? Add it back!

[queen cloud]

This patch has really bad/unecessary changes. Like LH1 is OP now.

But nuke/rpg nerf was good:
Adding fps cap was REALLY good. All external fps caps make my mouse feel worse (rtss/nvidia)

[heavy lantern]

Please can we get some traction on this. I now can't play

The devs will not be taking action based on your personal patch feedback, especially before letting the meta settle again (I'm not wrong, am I?) so I'd recommend saving your energy and not spamming messages about it

[burnt lark]

imo they shouldve kept RPG the same but made it an ability not a gadget, make the goo gun a gadget with a max of 10 goo globs. why on earth would anyone pick like a flashbang over a RPG? thing has no business being a gadget

[quick coyote]

-Mesh shield didn’t need a nerf about hp, it needed cooldown when turned off
-Defib untouched
-Nukes can still one-shot L and M
-Recon senses needed a greater nerf
The patch brings nothing new to the game, the meta is still HMM with defibs, L is still almost unplayable.
If aliens ever invaded earth you guys at Embark studios can sleep tight, they won’t come to you looking for intelligent life forms.

[placid valley]

The patch is so horrible, I am going to play light harder than anytime before in ranked matches. Say goodbye to your points if you meet me in the same team

[vestal marlin]

Will there ever come a time when you can play with a mouse and keyboard as a PS5 player?

[woven hawk]

I hope balancing is based on quality not quantity of complaints. --- I guess I'm a clown for wanting quality updates 😅

[lime kraken]

Does the new update add ps5 kbm support?

[ruby crown]

they ruined the accuracy of most guns, it's almost hip firing

[quick coyote]

are you blind? every light weapon got some kind of buff, and heavys kit was balanced so shotgun wasnt insta-pick

[sterile pawn]

No

[undone belfry]

Yeah. I'm also hurt 😦

[gusty wagon]

nukes are no longer a thing, did you see what the weight change did? you cant throw it far at all. nukes are gone now

[feral canopy]

inb4 explosive mines become the new nuke equivalent

[royal valley]

I got knifed from a cross the map must be skill issue he has 57 kills in 1 game with knife only !

[loud sinew]

i have fatal error cheat software detected but i have only discord running?Any other with that problem?

[shrewd vine]

Biggest disappointment of the patch is no defib changes. Absolutely insane frankly. I finished playing a full tournament and every team except my own was triple medium defib chaining. Recon changes are still too strong and still too much info. Wallhacks do not belong in an FPS. Its so strong that people had to make cheats for it. Why do you think its fine here?

Its so annoying that as a heavy I can kill 4 fucking mediums who are constantly harassing me and they keep circle jerking each other.

[eager barn]

This Patch is a joke 💀

[lean gulch]

Can we have simple improvements like being able to invite someone to the group when you are not the owner of the party? Or being able to swap the owner of the party?

[blissful crescent]

Pls pls 120 fps mode on console I don't want anything else not even a (50 cal sniper that oneshots all classes with a headshot)

[subtle niche]

these patch notes are based AF

[summer venture]

EMBARK HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU WANNA PISS IN LIGHT'S MOUTH JUST LITERALLY GET RID OF IT AT THIS POINT MATE 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[lapis pollen]

Why the crit don't display anymore?

[fair barn]

Give us the items like the dragon bundle. NGL but the store items are really bad. What happenend to the stuff from the beta?

[glossy glacier]

Damn crybabies in here

[tacit dome]

I do agree, the defib needs some nerfing being such a strong meta item for ranked. Not only that but I feel like the range of the FCAR and usage of healing beams makes it absolutely dominate ranked gameplay. C4 was one of the few things that could counter a MMM team, but now its going to be even harder to kill teams like these

[prisma ledge]

Holy fuck this game is trash now. So fucking broken. Medium players onetapping heavies and light class is more useless than ever. WELL DONE!!!

[manic prairie]

feedback,really love how you guy's listen to us. everything look good on paper. and least I'm grateful 👍 now need to buy some skins and go play solo. ty 💛

[stiff sky]

I'm just gonna get right to the point, the game isn't fun on a console with a controller. I much prefer the keyboard and mouse setup and, up until today, I was able to enjoy it. I understand it was a bug, but sometimes bugs are features. I feel that it should be added back, with maybe some keybind changes as wey

[tame chasm]

The new solo bank it mode is nice please keep it permanently. Might need some adjustments sure but for now its the only game mode we can do some warm up and the game needed that.

[wheat snow]

the change to the light shotgun was unnecessary. the stealth and stun gun changes were enough to make its “annoying” style balanced. now even point blank double shot into melee combo won’t kill a heavy. it’s also wild they’d make buffs to M11 and V9S when there are plenty of other weapons that need buffs more

[quick coyote]

REVERT PATCHNOTE, we asked you to buff grapple, nerv invis and recon, and you just removes invis, left grapple unusable and buffed wallhack!!!!!!!!! REVERT PATCHNOTE!!!!!!!!!!!

[surreal goblet]

Crybabies just keep crying to your mama

[quick coyote]

I’ll remember you next time i got nuked

[exotic marten]

it literally made no difference on red barrel, i've just tested it

[subtle oak]

This game is great and I’m sure the devs are doing their best but this patch isn’t good.

I feel like the go to class now is going to be Medium. Recon basically is untouched and still overpowered. FCAR still one of the best guns. Combined with defibrillator and healing beam…

Medium needs to be nerfed. Not Light, it was already ‘the worst class’

Do something about Recon please. It’s not going to be fun having to deal with wallhacks every game

[unkempt basalt]

Excellent patch I’m glad you guys are doing everything right!

[toxic otter]

nerfing cloak and soft buffing recon senses is insane

why not buff dash and grapple if the problem is that most light players use cloak instead? or leave light abilities untouched and actually nerf recon senses instead of adjusting it

activation cost increased by 0.5 seconds, and minimum charge time decreased by 0.5 seconds

that is not a nerf, it is an adjustment that just changes how the uptime of recon senses works… it will last a half second less but it’ll be up a half second earlier…

edit: I want to say I appreciate the team taking feedback like this, it must be hard. y’all are doing a great job; hopefully, as the game evolves, we are all more on the same page — I just want the game to last

[sour bane]

Yup.

I only play ranked and the most seen comp is MMH and MMM because of Recon + Defib. Extremely disappointing to see Recon get a nerf/buff, and Defib not addressed.

[proven raft]

Meh patch

[digital snow]

#bug-discussion on PS5, with Crossplay turned OFF the lobbies are filled with players with the globe icon. Before the patch it was only Playstation players

[queen rover]

I don't think devs play their own game.

What pain points were actually addressed with this patch? Is a third of the game being unplayable garbage acceptable to embark? I don't understand it

[quick coyote]

devs took their stance and communicated what their vision for the game is in this patch. i think its absolutely perfect for now, and if you dont agree with the direction this game is clearly being taken then maybe uninstall and leave the server 😮

[timber iris]

https://streamable.com/jbnj80 excellent cheats patched aswell wipe every team every time we spawned this exactly will destroy this game

[astral frost]

does anyone know if they have fixed the controller Aim assit not working within 20m of the taregt?

[undone saffron]

3 classes with one of them being totally useless to play and one that's drastically better than the others. L vision.

[gleaming summit]

nice shadow nerfs on heavy, larry gun has now 100x times more spread

[drowsy shell]

No defib nerf? Really dissapointed :l

[oak kernel]

Seriously. I don't think we're going to get the changes we wanna see till season 2. They're probably avoiding any reworks until then

[foggy orbit]

💯

[keen tartan]

The defibrillator doesn't work when the players trophy is in a bush even if you are directly looking at it. Same goes if they are buried in rubble.

[ruby crown]

yup the spread is just unbelievably nerfed

[shrewd vine]

Game just shifted even more towards a medium meta with this patch overall if the games I played are any indication.

[craggy canopy]

Revert this patch except the heavies and NERF recon senses, not tickle them!!! Stupid this light nerfs it's ridiculous

[gusty wagon]

number of light players and heavy players after this patch 📉 📉
number of medium players 📈 📈 📈 📈

[peak wagon]

It’s in an amazing update imo, haven’t got home to see it but it seems great, i REALLY wish they fixed ranked based matchmaking or at least address them fixing it next season but other than that thank you embark!!💚🫱🏽‍🫲🏻

[eager barn]

Rly thought Embark is listening to the community.. but they are not.. good job btw.. you are worse than EA /dicee whatever

Cant wait to play against MMM with defib and healing beams..

[lapis pollen]

Still no buff for dagger. I will wait for dagger bug. Dagger is the only reason I play this game. Btw new solo mode is great.

[wanton quarry]

Did they fix the 20m AA slowdown bug on ps5?

[terse slate]

ranked consists only of medium players now

[toxic bear]

it already did before

[placid valley]

are we playing the same game with Embark? or they are all medium fans?

[vagrant swift]

I dont have access to the statistics but im guessing (at least in ranked) the pick rates for different classes can tell you a lot about the meta, i would guess medium is at around 60-70% while light is at the bottom of the barrell.

The fcar has insane damage and barely any damage drop of, the reload time is extremely short and therefore the magsize being "small" as a lot of people are saying doesnt really matter. Medium has a lot of fun weapons that fit the image the game has built up to have but at this point there are no reasons to use any of them since fcar is so much better.
After the latest patch it feels like the game is turning more and more into a Call of duty kind of game, where the original idea of the game is completely gone, you've stated that competitiveness isnt the goal of it and the game should focus on fun instead whilst nerfing everything that makes the game fun and unique.

Fcar kills a heavy in 16 shots to the chest, the rocket launcher cant even kill a light in one shot now and has an extremely long downtime so why even bring it in one of your four only slots? Sure getting instakilled by nuke or rocket launcher can be irritating, but nerfing both c4 and rocket launcher this much while they still have an extremely long recharge time just makes you not want to pick them at all since they dont really bring that much of an advantage anymore.

It's just really boring to see that the meta is using the most boring options out there when the game has so much more fun to offer but no one wants to use it because you are giving yourself a disadvantage by trying to use the fun stuff.

[undone kestrel]

Can we take out color purple and pink out of the same match they look far too similar can’t really tell with just an outline it really

[summer venture]

Straight up though, not gonna bother playing a MMM MMH filled rat fest. I'll (and I'm assuming a lot of others)l play after these balance issues are actually addressed, super super sad to see this happening to a game that has so much potential. Embark messed up on this for sure and it's damn puzzling how

[maiden frigate]

" FrameRateLimit=144.000000 " this doesn't work anymore if anyone wonder

[median frost]

Too bad guys, your game had a lot of potential. But refusing to acknowledge that a legit wallhack isn't a good idea will eventually kill your game

[stiff sky]

I'm just gonna get right to the point, the game isn't fun on a console with a controller. I much prefer the keyboard and mouse setup and, up until today, I was able to enjoy it. I understand it was a bug, but sometimes bugs are features. I feel that it should be added back, with maybe some keybind changes as wey

[cold pilot]

REMOVE RECON

@ashen peak and remove invis

[short saddle]

Is anyone else getting kicked from party upon game ending since update?

[ashen peak]

If recon gets removed, remove invis too then

[queen rover]

Player count after this patch📉 📉 📉

[quick coyote]

this patch is absolutely disappointing. Lots of changes that seem superfluous and then there are glaring omissions. This game is going to live or die based on your ability to identify issues within the games meta and this patch has largely failed to do this.
Cloak nerf felt entirely unnecessary. Light is the least played and highest skill floor class to play in Ranked.
Recon nerf doesn't matter at all, why does this ability exist in the state it does? WHY you only buffing it?
No changes to FCAR, by far the best gun in the game bar none. Similarly, no changes to Defib either which is insane.
On that topic, weapon changes mean absolutely shit all if you don't explain what the changes mean in the first place.
A whole bunch of weapons still unviable (e.g. Flamer damage is whatever if the range is the same as the Hammer, it still isn't going to be run. No fixes to janky dagger)
Certain abilities are still just the worst in show (Goo gun and absolutely useless Grappling hook come to mind, why would you ever pick these when the other options are so much better?)
Just a very amateur patch which seems to indicate that the developers do not play or understand their game very much at all.

[soft rain]

why do you keep spamming this? I agree with many of the points, but spamming this every 15 minutes wont fix things.

[hollow flower]

solo bankit is pure chaos, and i like it:D

[young tree]

Guys they are asking for feedback fir a reason and plus we’re only like a month into this season and they’ve done slot compared to others

[royal pivot]

I want to say; Thank You EMBARK. My group and I will abuse Medium Recon, and try to spam it as much as possible:to the point where playing another class will become non-viable and not fun. We will try to make 90% of the player base Medium players. Long live Dirty bom- ehm i mean THE FINALS !

[vocal prairie]

Rekon yall could allow us to pick all the team colours for the ui?

[idle totem]

Excited for the triple medium recon meta, gonna be so exciting with a lot of variety !

[worthy helm]

didnt play for a week waiting for the new patch LMAO wtf is this dead game already

[slim karma]

we need an emergancy patch asap

[peak wagon]

Damn, a lot of folks in the server really can’t notice a hard-working team when they see one. I mean sure not everybody’s gonna be happy with what embark does. But regardless, they are addressing pain points, and doing it within a timely manner. I mean goddamn the finals just officially released a little over a month ago and are a SMALL team, give it time yo, a lot of y’all are forgetting that!

[hexed frigate]

Solo Bank It mode has to be the most tone deaf non-solution to what people have a problem with: the traditional cashout mode is not fun unless you have a three stack. People who don’t have a three stack still want to play the cashout mode. Shove them in to bank it is the solution? Lmfao wtf

[subtle oak]

I am now a Medium Recon main.

Was anything mentioned about a further aim assist nerf?
I feel like its different than before the update. Like there was a little aim assist but now it feels like none at all?

[hasty oriole]

Pretty disappointing update for balance changes.. Cannot believe the FCAR and Recon were 'practically' untouched. Light is even more of a sell pick. Heavy is much worse now. What's the point of the class system when only one class will be competitive.

[wanton quarry]

Fix AA slowdown on ps5 within 20m bug. tysm

[gleaming summit]

revoke the heavy weapon shadow nerfs what is this spread on the Larrygun and m60 the shotgun is more precise on 30m than this, holy fuck!

[flat shoal]

THEY DID NOTHING TO BUFF LIGHT THIS PATCH WTF

[true jetty]

Could you guys scale back the mf aim assist nerf on console

[hearty jasper]

can one of the devs tell me that its going to be okay

[ruby crown]

nerf to the medium and heavy is the buff

[paper glade]

The crossplay is broken in can't turn it off

[green bison]

surely this is just an early april fools joke right?

[honest abyss]

R.357 accuracy at long range is worse than the V9S and yet V9S get damage buff and relvover still suck.

[earnest token]

REMOVE OR REWORK RECON

You got it all right with this latest patch except for recon senses. It needs at least a rework, changing half a second on cooldowns doesn’t change how boring the ability actually is. It doesn’t reward actual strategy and good positioning from teams, instead it’s used as a crutch for players who don’t want to think. There’s no space for wallhacks in a competitive shooter, specially with the range that it has and how you can have it on 80% of the time. It would work better if it was switched with the sonar grenade or if it had a way smaller radius without the option to turn it on and off all the time. It’s either that or removing it entirely.

[placid valley]

They even nerfed light lmao. I am sure they don't play ranked at all

[true roost]

defib and recon rework
fcar nerf
model 1887 buff 👍

[untold haven]

i will save light for you embark:
make glitch nades go off on impact and reduce them by 1
do not register invis on recon sense
start health regen sooner
2 grapple charges

[sonic flare]

Recon got nerfed so stop complaining

[fleet pumice]

you can put colourblind mode on and that should help 👍

[potent meadow]

Is this issue only on ps5? Or also other platforms?

[shrewd vine]

I've played 2 games with it so far, and its the same ability. Feels the exact same. Non-nerf. Peoples problems with recon isn't anything to do with the times, its the fact that it exists at all. Wallhacks just suck man.

[reef jasper]

😂BARELY

[sage bison]

Embark team full of medium recon abusers confirmed after the update. Probably have trash game sense, need the walls

[shadow gyro]

Day 21 of asking for beards..... can yall add beards to the game?

[nimble steppe]

WAY DID THE MOUS & KEYBOARD DIDN'T WORK IN THE GAME ON XBOX !!!!!!?????

[blissful bridge]

Recon barely last a few seconds now. I'd say that's a fair nerf.

[tropic wasp]

They must not. Because I never see light because they're Dog shit in rank. Some of these updates seems so counter to what I've been seeing

[agile imp]

need to shorten time for team respawn if one of the teammate left,

[quick coyote]

this patch is absolutely disappointing. Lots of changes that seem superfluous and then there are glaring omissions. This game is going to live or die based on your ability to identify issues within the games meta and this patch has largely failed to do this.
Cloak nerf felt entirely unnecessary. Light is the least played and highest skill floor class to play in Ranked.
Recon nerf doesn't matter at all, why does this ability exist in the state it does? WHY you only buffing it?
No changes to FCAR, by far the best gun in the game bar none. Similarly, no changes to Defib either which is insane.
On that topic, weapon changes mean absolutely shit all if you don't explain what the changes mean in the first place.
A whole bunch of weapons still unviable (e.g. Flamer damage is whatever if the range is the same as the Hammer, it still isn't going to be run. No fixes to janky dagger)
Certain abilities are still just the worst in show (Goo gun and absolutely useless Grappling hook come to mind, why would you ever pick these when the other options are so much better?)
Just a very amateur patch which seems to indicate that the developers do not play or understand their game very much at all.

guy from chat will save light for you embark:
make glitch nades go off on impact and reduce them by 1
do not register invis on recon sense
start health regen sooner
2 grapple charges PLEASE, we asking you since OB, OH MY GOD MOVE YOUR LAZY BUTTS

[tulip wagon]

That’s your priority? Seriously ?

[lucid kestrel]

When your whole identity is based around a beard, yeah dawg

[molten narwhal]

Buffs shouldn't be based entirely on ranked, cloak + shotgun makes solo casual lobbies very frustrating, and casuals are the largest playerbase in the game

Def agree on recon needing a nerf everywhere and mediums in general seem too good in everything

[cunning ravine]

i mean when you look at the FACE section everyone is bald, even the women 😂

[exotic fiber]

Anyone else controller aim feels completely off since the update?

[rotund cloak]

Hi. I wanted to ask if this problem of long hair fitting on sweatshirts was just mine or is it actually like this to everyone. Is there no possibility to improve it?
Yes, of course, I know that in a game like this, it's the least of our thoughts and that there would be more important updates.

[meager rain]

stop cheating 😂 lmao

[fast bison]

Please revert console aim assist - casual players cannot compete. Me and my friends are begging you, we are all going to start playing a different game

[merry creek]

Since the AA update the other week, AA has been a nightmare on console

[undone belfry]

Damn... Ill test that when im at home... but if thats the case rip

[subtle copper]

Some medium gadget suggestions:

1. Add a charge timer to the defib before you can use it upon spawn/revive. Say 5 seconds. This would avoid the chain revives mid-battle that make the defib OP

2. Add a range limit to recon so it can't be a global maphack that provides insane info to your team. Info is a precious resource and should be fought for and this ability gives you way too much of it way too easily.

[gray folio]

please add kbm on console back everyone wants it back many people will prob leave the game bc of it being removed

[graceful sable]

hey the dagger ping when backstabbing (the yellow and ping sound) is gone can you guys fix it? kinda need it to know if my backstabs are landing or not

[quick coyote]

add kbm on console back

[vestal flume]

Not nerfing nukes is dumb asf.

[mellow tangle]

just looked at the patch notes, and i am thinking positive so far, how ever the flame thrower was already over powered now they have increased the damage on it. hopefully the rpg and nade launchers are worth it they were op as well. just sit in a corner spamming them.

[wintry basin]

Hey Id love to see a gold / bronze version of the skeleton gloves that would better match the other metal cosmetics. Eg image.

[tough topaz]

LEAVING the game if the support to MnK is completely removed! We don't want aim assist! We just want to play it just like everyone else!

[subtle oak]

Yes, I think something is wrong with aim assist in game but not in practice range.

Feels like aim assist is gone or weaker. (I only played solo bank it, maybe not in other modes)

[worthy helm]

Flashbang
Cooldown decreased from 20s to 18s

in 200 hours I havent seen a single person use flashbang because is sucks ass. And this is the "buff" it gets? LMAO

[wanton quarry]

I only play ps5, so cannot speak about xbox or pc controller users.
AA Slowdown works more than 20m but less than that there is none.

[narrow wyvern]

BRING BACK MNK ON CONSOLE

[next flax]

All the pc players be hating that. As a console player I would love to see a middle ground from pre and post. I feel like they went too hard

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for a bow

[scarlet junco]

Fuck M&K bro shit makes console to hard

[lusty grotto]

the medium is a nerf god

[latent blaze]

Add keyboard and mouse to Xbox and ps5 bro I can’t stand using controller on this game anymore my aim is so bad

[unborn locust]

I brought new knm for nothing lol💀

[crystal imp]

Came here to get my ceremonial post-patch brain rot from this channel. Community never disappoints.

[valid tree]

They did?

[summer venture]

Remove light btw it'll be better than giving us hope embark

[spark sparrow]

Disappointing that mouse and keyboard is removed from console. We can’t afford gaming pc’s which means your going to lose a good chunk of your fan base

[quick coyote]

This patch completely removed any incentive to play anything but medium.

Light got nerfed deservedly so, but the cheap kills were the only reason to play it.
Not a single buff to make the class worthwhile.

Heavy RPG is useless now, no point in using that when you can't even kill a light on direct hit, if you happen to find a light while playing Hammer, you are are just fucked unless he is dumb enough to go close to you, C4 nerf just makes it even less useful if you don't play to use it on nukes.
The shields are extremely weak overall if you find people actually willing to shoot them, no reason to pick anything but the Lewis still, M60 has to be the most redundant weapon in the game.

Medium is the strongest class, with the best weapon, with the 3 strongest abilities and the best objective control, paradoxically it also has the less build diversity, you HAVE to pick the defibrillator and you HAVE to pick the Fcar, the shotgun sucks, reload takes forever and you can't cancel it, revolver is absolutely trash and the riot shield is the worst melee of the game.

Both grenade launchers are useless and their projectiles can get destroyed, even through walls with the APS turret which would be fine if you had a secondary, but we don't, I find it ridiculous that your only means of damage can be completely invalidated by one medium and you can't even change loadouts mid tournament.

In my opinion this game doesn't work as a competitive shooter, and it shouldn't, you shouldn't aim to make this game perfectly balanced, there is always going to be someone that is gonna be weak to Something, You should try and make every loadout worth playing, I don't wanna feel like I'm trolling if I don't pick defibrillator, I don't wanna be forced to pick the same weapon everytime, and I certainly don't wanna play a game where every lobby has a team that always know our location regardless of what we do or how we play.

[next raptor]

Im sorry but i don't know what to say, you leave wallhack in the game. Create new ability would be better, this is not it.

[rotund pumice]

Feedback: Hi dev team can you please allow badges to be moved / attached to different parts of the torso please? The ornamental sidearm clips through the Mil-sim chest rig and looks horrible. If the ornamental badge could be attached to the chest rig or moved around, that would be fantastic thank you!

[valid night]

so it's the time for medium to dominant now🤣light are still trash

[crisp oxide]

why the fuck did u nerf the nuke throwing distance

[sonic flare]

Light is the least used character? Definitely didn’t take his meds 💊 💀

[astral frost]

In ranked yes

[lapis pollen]

Find it in high elo rank, and show me

[thorn elbow]

Wait so they said it’s the biggest update yet and all they did was nerf heavy for a 2nd straight patch and buff recon senses? What the fuck am I even looking at

[untold haven]

here’s a fun game to play, queue for ranked and every time there’s a light not in your lobby take a shot, every time there is a medium take a shot

[stiff tusk]

I ain't even read the rest of it cause that first hot take was ass, the lh1 got buffed to 49dmg it literally 5 taps mediums now, m11 got easier to use, v9s got buffed too the only reason you think lights are useless now is cause the cloak and sunny nerf and inwouldnt even call those nerfs

[noble void]

Anyone else feel like console aim assist or at least the little we had is in the void now?

[nimble steppe]

Im not cheating it just a mous & keybord without any cheat with zero aim assit ،when i play on mous and keybord the aim assit turn off when i swich to controlor the aim assit back , i can't cheat on xbox it just xbox not windos what the fuck* is this ????????????????????

[sweet aurora]

You guys did a great job nerfing a useless gadget on high rank.

[tardy gorge]

what are the developers doing

[foggy orbit]

no wonder embark made the changes they did, so many idiots saying recon doesn't need to be nerfed and c4 should not weigh objects down

[tired belfry]

Anti-Cheat and fair play measures now register external devices like Cronus and XIMM devices as cheats so if you were using those to register your MnK they may not be working anymore.

[plucky owl]

also idiots saying cloak shouldnt be nerfed just because light is the worst of the three

[slim karma]

It's called gamesense, buddy.

[olive epoch]

REMOVE RECON

[fast bison]

PLEASE REVERT AIM ASSIST FOR CONSOLE. All we want is the original settings!! This game is fun me and my friends want to keep playing, but it's impossible at the moment

[merry creek]

What data is being used to guide these changes? Since the AA update pre this patch its been hemorrhaging players on console, many hoping this new update would balance it to a more neutral level

@fast bison I get you bro, although I think it could be toned down slightly from what it was pre patch... they defo went too far tho

[broken lake]

It should have been nerfed, but the rest of light should have been buffed. This is because the rest of light is dogshit.

are they mocking light players? "added a tracing line on the throwing knives" great, now I can put on a lightshow while I get fucked because I can't hit any of my shots with the horrible travel time and delayed throw.

[sage bison]

Oh roller trash still conplaing they can't abuse built in cheats. Cry more 😢 guys. U still have aim snapping on rifles and 35% magnetism

[blissful bridge]

Embark, please don't remove recon and please don't listen to people who don't enjoy the game you are trying to create.

I'm enjoying playing an FPS where everyone has fun and powerful abilities.

Competitive gaming is toxic.

Please balance the game around enjoyability before trying to appease that group of players.

[subtle oak]

Yes I feel like aim assist is different too.
Might also be your settings, my ads was at 41% before the update and after the update it was set to 81% which is weird.
This might solve the problem.

[quick coyote]

Rollers die😭🤣

[wanton quarry]

Slowdown works over 20m but within that range there is none. Its fucked for ps5 right now.

[wintry basin]

Just encountered a bug where I couldnt respawn in quickplay quickcash. My death totem was also not visible for my teammates.

[meager rain]

add ingame textchat so u can flame teammates more efficient 😄 (its a joke pls dont ban me 😦 )

[worthy helm]

P A T C H = D I S A P P O I N T M E N T

[warm mauve]

So if I can understand this correctly: Embark made the bold decision to nerf heavy a second time straight with by far the lowest pick rate? Do they only want us to play medium from now on?

[vestal flume]

Yeah they nerfed the distance. No one complained about how far it could go.

[graceful sable]

1. The dagger animations would sometime be stuck after dashing and wouldn't reset. so you would get no animation when backstabbing but only the damage will trigger. it makes it impossible to judge distance without the animation
2. the dagger ping is gone in this patch (?), please return it as it is near impossible to know whether you land the backstab without it. also, please add a setting for the ping its kinda to quiet for me
   overall, the jankiness of the dagger and the inconsistent angle to backstab trigger has remained as well, very disappointed that that isn't addressed in this patch. another suggestion is to allow player to adjust the dagger snapping angle, backstab ping color and sound, and sensitivity to improve consistency

[quick coyote]

you have embarks player data? wait thats so cool send it in the chat

[turbid moss]

Goated patch Embark

[prisma ledge]

Developers seem to have an extreme bias towards one class, more than I've ever seen. I was really looking forward to this patch to eliminate all the cheaters, but clearly, that didn't happen. Instead, all I see are the medium class dominating the few heavy players that remain. There are no light players at all. I can't understand how someone can be so overly fond of a fictional class. This game had enormous potential. However, instead of critically analyzing and acknowledging that 70% of players choose medium, which likely means most complaints will come from them (and that it is the strongest class), they've just excessively nerfed everything else.

[molten narwhal]

My feedback is that bullets should go where the crosshair is, especially when jumping and/or sliding

[valid tree]

No one complained about distance correct, but this is still a nerf is it not? They’ve decreased c4 damage too

[devout geode]

Please fix the aim assist on console . It was fine before this patch. I was loving this game, but today it horrible. - thanks 🙏🏽

[rain hinge]

DELETE REACON FROM THE GAME, thanks

[steel stirrup]

Tf happend with the aiming on console nice Patch Fr

[smoky storm]

M8 medium players were also asking for medium nerfs, specifically recon(remove it) and defib. I've also seen for some heal beam nerf requests, and turret hitbox fixes(gaps in hitbox).

Yea, nukes and RPG were also on that list(rightfully so), but don't pretend like medium wasn't on the "chopping block" either.

Also, heavy nerf was minor. The nukes were never intended to be that op, but you can still nuke with fire extinguishers, especially in enclosed areas. Basically the only thing that changed w/ regards to heavy was a small nerf to RPG and nukes are no longer ICBMs and instead better in smaller, enclosed fighting spaces(which is still most fights BTW)

[brave copper]

The damage of c4 got greatly reduced

[crisp oxide]

u just made this game so medium is the only viable class by killing the throwing distance of nuke heavy is now worthless trash. nerf the dmg not the throwing distance now mediums win everything and light is still complete trash. also solo bank it is dumb ggs. YOU NERFED THE HEAVY INTO THE GROUND. MEDIUM IS NOW THE META DAMN YOUS. it just makes no godamn sense why you would nerf the heavy into the complete ground. medium is now the only viable class

[next raptor]

Added an option that allows controller players to pick the priority order of Reload/Pick Up button actions - Thanks a lot!

[formal latch]

are you serious they just made the mac 10 even better smh

[icy steeple]

light is quite literally unusable now :(, which as one of the few light mains in high ranks anymore makes me really sad. FCAR is still way too op for zero reason, recon senses is just wallhacks lite, trying to breach charge nuke is gone cause light throws it 4 feet in front of them. literally just useless now

[thorny latch]

W patch embark, dnt listen to these clown

[tough topaz]

PLEASE bring back the support to mouse and keyboard on console!!! we already have crossplay in the game. I'm begging

[distant vine]

Suggestion: new bat meele. Change it to the BONK.mp3 sound every time you hit someone.
Trust me. It's for the funny

[toxic otter]

also thank you for the sniper scope setting.

[quick coyote]

why medium shotgun got nerfed

[tepid wave]

ak over fcar

Feedback:
why remove KBM on console

[foggy orbit]

Don't listen to this attention seeker, he's not just a clown, he's the entire circus.

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for more visual feedback when both of your teammates are dead, and you dying will result in a team wipe. Having to look in the bottom left and see if they have skulls or healthbars takes too much time in the heat of the moment, and doesn't show the urgency of staying alive in that moment

[nimble steppe]

Im not use any of thes it just A red dragon keybord and 18$ fucking normal mous
BRING BACK THE MOUS & KEYBOARD OR I WILL DELET YOUR GAME 😡😡

[outer seal]

Hahaha cope I enjoy destroying you in game

[slate lotus]

Yo anyone feel that they tuned down aim assist on console this patch or I'm delusional

[gray folio]

bring back KBM on console PLEASE a bunch of people want it back

[open tide]

They didn't but they did change our settings sadly go back and revamp to your original settings

[drifting pawn]

just got this when i first launched after getting the update. just pasting it here before i re-attempt to have a history of it. most definitely do not use any sort of cheats. small possibility it was autohotkey which i heavily rely on for work

[strong pendant]

Yes!!!! Many games have a feature where if consol players are playing in pc lobbies, it’s allows them to use keyboard and mouse to give a level playing field. Overwatch has this

[spark sparrow]

This

[indigo kindle]

shoutout to the fact the servers are still bad and the performance tanks a ton at random points, I was hoping it would be fixed by now but the game becomes randomly unplayable in certain matches

[shrewd vine]

Please limit the amount of APS a team can have. Really sick of the defib chaining mediums running triple turret + aps. Its literally shooting damage sponges and making no headway because they just shit out another one.

[tired belfry]

Patch was a huge step in the right direction. Almost every one shot kill was reigned in to a reasonable level. Heavy is no longer a tank in health AND damage and is more in line with the rest of the classes. Light cloak can't just be spammed on and off and needs to be used tactfully now. Nukes are now usable only on red canisters for long range and are an actual skill shot now thanks to the spinning they do instead of just a free kill every death. My only critique is recon will still probably be very strong and might be even stronger now a range reduction on it is probably needed. Embark cooked and almost every abusable mechanic was at least addressed in some function, balance is a constant thing but I really do believe the environment will be healthier now and only get better with future patches.

[quick coyote]

Embark dev. 🤣
You lost all your chance.
The finals? Dead game💀
Arc raiders? Dead game💀
Your future game? Dead game💀

[feral canopy]

The issue is, light class is used by a majority of players in casual, where as it's the opposite in Ranked. It's difficult to strike a balance between appeasing a casual audience but not making it overly powerful where it plagues casual matches even more, but buffing it enough to be viable in ranked. Any changes to light should be incremental and not a massive buff that makes it overpowered.

[reef jasper]

Recon:

• games are entirely too dependent on which teams have recon or not, the information gained from the ability is removing a lot of key elements from the game. Movement doesn’t matter much because recon allows you to simply track EVERYBODY ANYWHERE.

DEFIB:

• the invulnerability off revival should be much shorter and not allow you to shoot your gun while invulnerable. Cooldown should be increased. Too many teams are abusing 3 mediums and ruining the ability to play diverse teams and win.

Light:

• this class is not in a good spot, there are very few players who are able to find success with it in ranked, definitely something that needs some work ups to be more equal to other classes

[placid valley]

I know why they released the patch with the update now. They definitely know their balance patch is a piece of shit, but they are medium fans and want to make it work 🤣

[subtle copper]

Give recon to lights so they're more useful objective-wise and give mediums something else

[blissful bridge]

I don't even use recon, but I enjoy having a game that gives it's players powerful equipment.

The game needs some balancing but it shouldn't change the overall flow and style of the gameplay.

Those calling for recon nerfs claiming "wall-hacks" and "information" should be ignored.

They cried about cloak but everyone countered cloak with recon.

Now they're crying about recon.

It's meant to hunt players down.

It's a counter to cloak.

They get killed running from a recon and cry.

[sage bison]

Agreed. That's why you ignore the casuals and listen to the people who play the game competitively and care about balance

Guys the more space you leave between your sentences doesn't make ur arguments better

[stiff tusk]

Damn yall should just delete the game at this point 😂 mfs don't like anything

[dense marlin]

Just saw the patches no deadzone changes for controller in console tho 😔

[subtle oak]

Yep, something has happened to aim assist, it feels like it’s pretty much gone

[prisma ledge]

Doesn't matter, I just deleted the game due to the obvious favoritism Embark shows towards medium players (70% of their player base, probably 90% after the new patch). I can already see that this game is going to be based on what the meta/medium players want, and I won't be able to enjoy it in the future. If someone could recommend another game to me, it would be well received. I'm looking for something else.

[crimson shard]

I think there should be a team wide cool-down on defib. If one medium uses it then it’s on cool-down for everyone, that way it’s still impactful and doesn’t kill medium but you don’t have to get 6 kills to win a fight.

[boreal zodiac]

Aim assist doesn’t work within 20m. I’m assuming it’s a bug

[upbeat urchin]

Recon should not be able to see cloacks, or what's the point of cloaking. + Recon has a range issue, i dont think you should be able to see people over a 100 m for example

[manic aspen]

new lewis recoil?

[crisp oxide]

You ruined the game single-handedly with this patch. You single-handedly destroyed heavies with one nerf. It’s now a mediums game more than ever. Triple defib teams are the new meta. There’s literally no reason to run anything but triple medium in ranked now if you want to win. Why would you do this ?

[uncut mist]

Theres currently a bug effecting the recoil of all weapons, adding random spread to bullets post-past

[quick coyote]

I agree it has a range issue, but seeing cloaks is fine.

[shy idol]

I don’t understand why they removed mnk from xbox, i play only crossplay, always played with mnk, also in many games i can still use it, but suddenly they remove it, i don’t care about the “buy a pc” bs.. Is there any way in the future that they put it back?

[cinder orchid]

bro are you crazy aim assist was broken before the patch

[sudden tangle]

I dont understand why embark hates light. We went from HM meta to M meta for some fking reason. Light was worst class and it got nerfed for some fking reason

[formal orbit]

So in the recent update they removed mnk support from XBOX and they knew there a lot people asking for mnk on console. They don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard while we playing with/against pc players?!!

And the game on pc support both inputs without any problems at all why they following DICE steps when they don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard for console while we play in PC lobby??!!

Look at the other games like call of duty and Fortnite and even Roblox it supports mouse and keyboard on console without any problems. This so stupid and makes me so frustrated. Omfg 🤬

[obtuse temple]

Would be super nice if aim snap was re-added for the 1887 - specifically, JUST the 1887 of the shotguns. The double barrel and heavy shotties, yes they were overpowered with the snap. The 1887 however is NOT, and really does need the snap for controllers. It does not out perform anything at long or mid range, and only MIGHT win a CQC if every shot hits. Even then most other weapons can melt it. Please consider readding the snap so this gunisn't essentially obsolete for controller users.

[vestal flume]

It’s janky for sure on console. Wonder if pc is having problems.

[plucky veldt]

plz more nerf Recon Senses
1>1.5 same always use esp

[glass sonnet]

Patch killed OCE ranked queue. Pls fix. It's much less fun playing on Asia against 3 teams of cheaters than just 1 team of cheaters on OCE.

[smoky storm]

Hopefully, they removed it temporarily and will bring it back with 100%, full support. It's criminal that console players don't have the option for raw input MNK

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for either a themepark map or a film backlot map

[devout geode]

Not crazy. The aim assist with this update is non existent.

[sudden spire]

They removed an accidental/incorrect implementation of mnk. If they officially support it they can't have a bugged version available

[nimble steppe]

اي والله صحيح منايوج ذولة امباك بس لجماعة البيسي 😡💔☕

[outer seal]

I laugh at these clowns who complain about nuke nerf. I love seeing nuke users cry hahahahh

[raw ore]

Why do they keep patching movement tech in The Finals-
Regardless of light class, this game feels SO anti movement even though it shouldn't be

Edit: i was considering coming back when i learned about grapple tech but now it's fixed....

[tough topaz]

WE console players don't want aim assist! We want support to mouse and keyboard so ALL of the players can have the same level of gaming experience!! PLEASE bring it back

[drifting pawn]

me, a medium, watching lights and heavies both crying: 😆 😆 😆 both lights and mediums have numerous items that make them pretty cheap. only one id argue medium has is the defib which has a pretty long cooldown

if you're that stereotypical light player that just darts ahead into deathmatch, i promise you that if you play more around your teammates, you'll find that light is perfectly fine how it is

[shadow sentinel]

Please add SBMM to ranked. Heavy’s op-ness was one of the only things making solo q ranked viable.

[plush grotto]

I think the reason they don’t want mnk on console is because it completely defeats the purpose of disabling cross play

[gray folio]

1. fix the classes holy shit
2. add kbm back on console everyone wants it back no one had a problem with it all ur doing is making it more difficult for us to play and lose potential players too, controller has aim assist to compensate why cant we kbm players just have kbm on console bro
   many other big name games such as fortnite and cod support kbm fully witthout a problem and they have no issues with it why cant you implement this too

i dont have a problem with aim assist keep it idc about it

[hardy mirage]

wait is there no sbmm??

[sick parcel]

very frequent crashes to desktop, pls fix

[slim karma]

Let's do a poll, is this a good balancing patch?

[magic swift]

12+ minutes trying find a new solo match

[faint saddle]

Final changes:

The Dagger critical damage backstab feedback is gone; you receive the regular hitmarker on critical hits, which is quite annoying.

They should keep the superglide mechanic.

The Recon sense is bugged and can only be activated until it runs out, instead of the timer. Nerf it; it's now a one-time use.

The Throwing knives' visuals are too large and way too easy to see; they need a slight buff in spread when jumping.

The Light Shotgun nerf is not noticeable, and you can still one-pump lights, but not two-pump heavies anymore.

Most known exploits that are gone:

• Heavy Class shotgun reload swap to skip the barrel swap.

• Lights grappling onto a motion sensor; they should keep that for a few light playing hook + motion sensor.

There is still a bug when you have two contestants equipped with the same weapon in the primary slot. When you change the skin on one of them, the other one bugs out, and you cannot swap skins anymore. Also, you can't change charms or stickers during that.

[tender minnow]

it's really not a good system or design if everyone is going to pick one class (medium) for the competitive modes, the devs should really reconsider this update esp with the heavy nerf, they should make all classes important in a game rather than just one class that can handle everything, skill bar should be the same for all classes,
every class should be able to play an equally useful part in competitive modes and make it difficult if every member in a team is just picking a single class.

[strong pendant]

Like this message if they should allow keyboard and mouse on console ✅!!!!!!

[blissful vector]

wait someone fill me in, if a person wants to play keyboard and mouse but on console..why not just play on pc?

[brittle turret]

#fair-play be like : "putting a tape in middle of your screen is banable."

[nocturne flare]

Could you please investigate why the Lewis Gun has a random spread around the iron sights now? The bullets don't seem to land anywhere near the actual reticle and it seems like a bloom parameter has been added or massively increased, making the whole gun completely unusable at range, which is kind of the only point of the gun. There seems to be nothing about it in the patch notes either.

[potent meadow]

Yeah. We dont need MNK on console

[noble void]

Petition to fix crossplay so I don't get queued with all them damn PC players that shred because they deleted aim assist 💀

[cunning stag]

Why do the devs refuse to add Kbm support on consoles? What's the issue here? I literally don't understand. Controller players play against MnK players all the time on PC.

You telling me we can't have MnK on console because that would put controller players at disadvantage? Come on now, if that is the case, no one would play controller on PC 🤡

[subtle oak]

They want to play against bad controller players because they can’t handle actual good pc mnk players

[brave copper]

The recon nerf was misguided. Honestly the buff to the cool down on it from last patch was fine. Walking that back a bit was not the solution.

That ability should not tell the user such a precise location. The glow should deviate around the enemy a bit, this way the recon user doesn't have such an accurate timing for pre-firing and at long ranges the info from recon will become increasingly ambiguous.

Please look at how Hunt: Showdown handles the same ability.

[valid osprey]

Id like to know. How is it fair that you nerf light, while you fight ONLY medium players, taking in consideration that light players are supposed to assassinate. You keep medium UNTOUCHED, defib after defib, healers healing each other to full, while a heavy is clapping you. I was playing that you would nerf the medium but you nerf shotgun, while ak and scar is doing more damage than any light weapon

[sonic spoke]

Thank you for the update!

[reef jasper]

Recon:

• games are entirely too dependent on which teams have recon or not, the information gained from the ability is removing a lot of key elements from the game. Movement doesn’t matter much because recon allows you to simply track EVERYBODY ANYWHERE.

DEFIB:

• the invulnerability off revival should be much shorter and not allow you to shoot your gun while invulnerable. Cooldown should be increased. Too many teams are abusing 3 mediums and ruining the ability to play diverse teams and win.

Light:

• this class is not in a good spot, there are very few players who are able to find success with it in ranked, definitely something that needs some work ups to be more equal to other classes

and ofc @quick coyote bc I want a duck to be proud of me

[broken lake]

agreed, the bounty sense would be good. I'd want it to be the quickplay version, not the bounty hunt version tho

[slate lotus]

Hey guys, I changed some of my settings and if anyone is having a hard time aiming, they can temporarily change their vertical sens to 160 so both horizontal and vertical are the same

Made me aim better using a controller and this is fine until they patch the aim assist bug

[sage bison]

As a pc player I say if you want to usd mnk on console, you should have that ability, fuck the aa abusing roller trash. Keep. Crying 🤣

[thorn elbow]

No but heavy does big boom don’t like it plz nerf

[twilit arrow]

After 1.5.0 the tfla0002 error solved, TY DEVS!!!
I CAN PLAY NOW!!!!!

[crisp oxide]

Why did you make the game so medium in the only viable class ? Why!!??!!?!!!

[fast bison]

Thanks Embark i think the update is great. One thing you may want to consider is re-implementing the aim assist settings for console? It helps casual players who cant compete with KBM on PC.

[shy idol]

always played in crossplay, idgaf about any advantage, i just want to play this game on xbox as i play many other games, with mnk

[paper glade]

Crossplay is broken, its always on

[sudden tangle]

Embark, please do me a favor and don't take forever to realize L is the least used class. Everyone else, enjoy facing MMM and HMM in every lobby. Good times ahead! I'm not playing until 1.5.1.

Defib, Recon, Light, and C4 were the 4 big issues with the game. You managed to half solve C4, but barely. It still oneshots M and L. What a let down of a patch.

[tame pivot]

Heavies acting like they can't play the game because they can't OS half the lobby is kinda hilarious

[hard mesa]

I am once again asking for a bow

[wanton quarry]

Fix the AA slowdown on ps5 within 20m bug. tysm

[solemn linden]

one question: why is it like looking straight into the sun when I look out of a window?

[waxen trout]

Please add text chat!!!!!!!!!

[foggy orbit]

My biggest issue is that embark show no transparency when making important balancing changes, there is no reasoning, no logic, it feels like a lottery, I would much prefer embark explain their reasoning and better indicate the direction they want for this game.

[willow laurel]

to badly mimic a real life phenomenon I guess

[nimble steppe]

So in the recent update they removed mnk support from XBOX and they knew there a lot people asking for mnk on console. They don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard while we playing with/against pc players?!!

And the game on pc support both inputs without any problems at all why they following DICE steps when they don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard for console while we play in PC lobby??!!

Look at the other games like call of duty and Fortnite and even Roblox it supports mouse and keyboard on console without any problems. This so stupid and makes me so frustrated. 🤬

[stone lily]

buy a pc

[lilac temple]

Us lights in #light-build-main just came up with a gadget. What about a sort of "Adrenaline", that would give you slightly increased speed and/or jump height, and improve hipfire accuracy (for weapons like throwing knives or m11 at a distance), with the downside of having a long cooldown? Ofc it'd only be usable on yourself

[cloud jungle]

Overall good update, but Recon and Cloak need reworks or replacement.
They can't be balanced in their current forms just by tweaking numbers.

[feral canopy]

LH1 and the V9S need a fire rate cap if they don't have one already, otherwise you can just bind the fire key to your scroll wheel and turn it into a full auto of sorts

[sick pecan]

Please fix the scopes not being aligned with the actual bullet.

[round goblet]

Tbh I tried it, scrollwheel 1-3-1 grip. I felt pain on my wrist, it kills the user hands lol. Don't worry they auto kick macro players too if it detects your firing too fast. It fks with the mouse too so more recoil, harder to use since it jitters your hands even if its a little bit.

[blissful crescent]

This

[zinc apex]

It's pretty nice that they added new commentator lines instead of recycling existing ones

[tranquil kelp]

Do you even play the game if you suggest things like that? If you had played them, you know they have a cap

[upper citrus]

god bless AI

[hardy mirage]

embark could you consider keeping the aim assist changes as it helps casual players on pc who cant compete with aimbot

[placid valley]

just add hp by around 50 to light. there is nothing working fine with the class. survivability is close to 0

[potent meadow]

Didnt know there are so many people want to play mnk on console… what a joke. I hope they never bring it back to console. Unless there is any form of imput based mm.

[tough topaz]

Using a mouse and keyboard on the console has never been a problem for anyone! In fact, this makes the gameplay fair for all platforms! We gamers should unite so that games are fairer for everyone equally! We already have crossplay within the game, so why take away the support that makes the game more balanced? We don't want to have an advantage over computer players, we just want the same gameplay experience! Not everyone has the money to buy both a console and a computer, I'm poor and I want to have fun with what I have! Please bring the support back!

[subtle oak]

Crossplay is off for everyone, yet we are playing against pc players, big issue for console!

[manic quartz]

Hey, I’ve been suggesting this! Great change devs!

[fading zenith]

1.Brick Recon
2. Lower medium DPS or increase light DPS, they shouldnt have +/- dps output with same value util and 100 hp difference.
3. QoL ping markers see through when aiming directly at them, sometimes they are in the way and block vision of enemies.
4. Nerf defibrilator by increasing its CD a lot or give it just 1 charge per full teamwipe/coin reset

[gray folio]

Keyboard and mouse (KBM) functionality enhances accessibility and simplifies the gaming experience for us. However, it becomes a point of contention when pitted against PC players, resulting in an inherently unfair competition between controller and PC users. The absence of KBM for console players tilts the balance, creating an uneven playing field. We advocate for the reinstatement of KBM support, as it promotes fairness and equality in matches. Allowing both controller and KBM usage ensures a level playing ground, addressing concerns about the current disparity between PC and console players.

For those who say to not add it back; Just why?? There is no problem with KBM on console, you guys have aim assist and are probably decent with controller, it's fair for us if we have KBM. It's just going to be a huge learning curve + free games for people who are going against us if we are on controller.

[deft otter]

I think they need to add gyro aiming for console, many people including myself got used to gyro on other popular games and not having it puts us at a massive disadvantage, especially when playing with PC friends as there is a huge lack of precision

[reef wren]

Can we get an auto-sprint option for controller that doesn't auto-sprint me out of aim strafing or crouch strafing?

[blissful bridge]

If they balance this game around the competitive players it will erode the enjoyability and style of gameplay that Embark is trying to create.

I trust Embark to balance this game while ignoring the toxicity and keeping to their original vision.

[bleak coral]

Well problem is, consoles require the crossplay setting to be able to be off in games. Devs understand that most console players are ass and it's unfair to let ppl play mnk against them. Devs also understand that PC mnk don't want to go against someone good on sticks who doesn't need the aim assist but then gets 35% aimbot so they hit every shot. Problem is to add input based matchmaking you'd have to have it for each console: kbm queue and controller queue so 4 queues, PC queue so 2 more queues, and then crossplay queue so 2 more queues. 8 different queues depending on which queue settings you have, they could circumvent the problem queue times by showing how long each setting would affect queue times...
Hopefully there's a solution.

[uncut pier]

So I am pretty curious how nukes behave now. For the rest, this update is full of small tweaks and stuff we need to see in game, so I still have to try the new patch but it sounds like there will be less and less people playing lights. With all these nerfs, which most of them are necessary (not sure if I agree with the shot gun yet though), I expected a slight gain of HP. I do not know if the changes was made looking at all players or just the highest ranked player but this feels wrong.

[slate lotus]

Must be some heavy player with a c4 nuke

[sick parcel]

PLSSS NERF HEAVY!!!!!! SO OP!!!!!!!!!! MEDIEM AND HEAVY UNPLAYABLE!!!!!!!

[blissful vector]

not every console player play on kbm tho? players are able to play insanely well on console with controller against KBM players, its just a lot of practice

[brittle turret]

Competitive players already ran away they can do whatever they want for the casuals

[paper glade]

Anyone getting crossplay matches when is disabled?

[granite tiger]

QOL - give us the ability to map an emote/tag to a single key if we don't want to use the wheel.

[quaint vigil]

for the new solo mode, dont make us press space, treat our deaths like a team wipe and respawn us instantly when the timer is over

[hard mesa]

Because it's impossible to have both the outside be bright, and inside dark, and be able to clearly see both at the same time. The camera auto adjusts the exposure as you play. After looking outside for a second or two, it isn't so blindingly bright, right?

Anyways, I am once again asking I am once again asking for either a themepark map or a film backlot map

[shrewd fox]

Make melee aim assist a toggleable option

Why no crit marker and sound cue on dagger? It’s already the weakest weapon in the game.

Let the dagger backstab be held at least for a couple seconds