💣┇weapons-gadgets

[slow linden]

Fr,average medium player will fuck up a goo defib and also not defend you while you're in defib sickness

[viscid carbon]

I am also a proud Winch hater

even though I do think it's gotten a healthy amount of counters now

[calm yarrow]

Fair. And I'm that Goo gunner, that doing this shi on sledge.
Thats why other classes need more options to run from goo lock with movement specs, for example.

[near scroll]

i have more fun fighting a goo gun melee user as light than getting winched and instantly dying

[calm yarrow]

With gadgets or other buffs to other classes. BUT NOT FREAKING GOO NERF.

[viscid carbon]

True, but you have dash
What about a medium with no shockwave lol

[near scroll]

only actual toxic part of goo gun is in final round's 3v3 when goo gun team is 3v1-ing the last enemy and goo gun user can goo lock repeatedly for minutes on end

[candid vessel]

I just think it being able to move stuff gives it enough value

[near scroll]

demat helps, turret is a meme, and heal beam means you're playing around team mates which is the universal counterplay to goo gun (2v1-ing goo gun user)

[viscid carbon]

guys please can I type my fkin feedback on respec order thank you lol

[near scroll]

also if you're a medium you still just die when winched so idk what point u're making

[near scroll]

and that was not changed at all. it is still doable even after goo lock timer reduction

[near scroll]

"frustrating to play against" my ass bro see me in final round where i goo lock you for 2 mins and force coins now THAT'S frustrating and unhealthy for the game

[olive galleon]

Just why😭

[final lotus]

Notice how winch got 0 fucking nerfs

[near scroll]

yeah cause embarf is stupid and loves winch ig for some fuckin reason

[eager wasp]

notice how dagger got taken out back and put down for good, rest in peace

[final lotus]

yep

[slow linden]

I have more fun fighting goo gun players than boring ar and smg yy tik tok kids,sure I'm biased as a goo gun main,but it really is the most elegant and challenging spec in the game to use,when I die to a goo combo I know I got outplayed,when I die to an ar or automatic I know that guy just held height and looked at me for 2 seconds and I died

[final lotus]

the melee rework season will jkust be reverting how they gutted it this update, nothing new 😂

killing goo, quick melee, and sliding to kill melee in a single regular update is wild, and in the same patch, not nerf winch in anyway

[near scroll]

when?

[eager wasp]

this update

[hexed marsh]

omg! you ruined the game! the slide is cooked! and why do you need to balance the contestants? balance the guns. not the contestants! this is a fast paced game but you're making things slowers. the guns does not need bullets! it need TTK(time to kill)! devs having a hard time balancing guns so they change the contestants instead. I HAVE BEEN PLAYING THIS GAME SINCE BETA AND SPEND ALMOST 100k already on it. come on! YOU RUINED THE GAME!
You don't need speed to get people to play together! you need GAMESENSE
a freaking heavy runs together now with the light cuz of the update. triple light is now the new fakin meta

[near scroll]

how

[olive galleon]

We're all mediums now!

[eager wasp]

a bit unintentionally from my understanding, but sliding now takes much more momentum to do (with a speed nerf to lights, and dagger being super slow), quick melee combos don't work anymore, you have to wait for the full animation

and goo not being reliable and as versatile as it used to be according to the goo nerfs

[slow linden]

My beloved gooflame is still viable

Most righteous of all builds

[eager wasp]

goo being a huge thing for a dagger user

[near scroll]

embark just brings me sadness nowadays, no more joy

[untold beacon]

Hey, sooooo. There's no barrel rotation now with the reshaper. It's random

[final lotus]

same

[near scroll]

quick melees were huge for my gooflame playstyle so fuck me ig

[final lotus]

rip dagger

[calm yarrow]

Are you sure about it? Stun time is too low even for flamethrower...

[near scroll]

rip all fun options all that can be good are hitscans and healing and rooftops

[candid vessel]

Thats cool

[untold beacon]

I'm devastated, it lost half of its purpose.

[candid vessel]

Tbf i never use it so idk if its a good or bad thing

[rain wren]

Slides are cooked and sledge heavy attack slide is gone now like bro they somehow nerfed sledge farther 💀

[candid vessel]

Just seems nice that theres always a chance to get the barrel you want

[untold beacon]

Not really, with the rotation you could get whatever barrel you wanted, one of the best things it has is that you can change gas into glitch or heal to explosive and such

[candid vessel]

I mean i guess that depends on what it initially spawns as, so if it didn’t spawn as something close to what u want in the cycle u definitely wouldn’t get it

But i see how the predictability of a fixed rotation is nice

[eager wasp]

its so baaad, literally got all three possible outcomes in one take

[untold beacon]

When there's a barrel, people have to stick to that barrel, with the reshaper you can choose from 3 options with just one barrel

[rain wren]

IKR they hit all melee with one patch note like bro leave us aloneeee 💀

[untold beacon]

You could get almost always whatever is convenient for you

[rain wren]

I hope they return the slide back fast

[candid vessel]

Ah ok

[broken mulch]

how did this happen they said they decreased movement velocity required to trigger a slide this has gotta be a bug or smth

[worldly osprey]

bring back goo wtf

[near scroll]

delusional community thinks goo is more problematic than winch

local goo gun main quits game, more uninteresting and totally expected news at 8

[slow linden]

Fair enough

[slow linden]

Yeah,it's enough for dominating 1v1s,just goo lock,tickle,goo lock,tickle,repeat

[slow linden]

Don't let them win

[near scroll]

ngl i already basically quit for deadlock

i guess i could hop on to try out sword with 175hp but otherwise i have no reason to come back

[slow linden]

175 sword is unironically miserable to play into light and everyone is on light,there are no heavies in cashout rn

[near scroll]

welp

[slow linden]

Since they neglected to change the weapons,heavys just kinda ass rn

So this test is just irrelevant

[stoic garden]

i'd play heavy for that sweet 10% speed boost lol

[last steeple]

Yeah I don't rlly understand what they want to test if they didn't change weapons

[stoic garden]

they might've changed hp, but mesh is still the goat

moving faster while meshing it up and lights being slower 🤤

[worldly osprey]

like honestly what was embark smoking with the changes today

[stoic garden]

they were smoking some fine shit and i want it, i wanna see more weird changes

[worldly osprey]

idfc bring back goo

[stoic garden]

what? did they do something to it?

let me read patch notes

[worldly osprey]

Decreased the time it takes for goo to break when overlapping a player from 0.8s to 0.2s

Dev Note: Goo overlapping and blocking players wasn’t ever intended but is one we’re happy to keep, within reason. It definitely requires some better visual treatment going forwards and has been too powerful to date, so we think this change will reduce a lot of the frustration some players experience related to it.

and it no longer stops steals

[near scroll]

you can't slide while having mesh out

or at least you need to jump into slide, you can't slide on the ground

[stoic garden]

is this a new change or are you tweaking

cuz i can literally turn back and slide whenever i want until fatigue kicks in

[near scroll]

slides are bugged af this patch, i saw someone post a clip of it in main chat like 30 mins ago

[stoic garden]

zamn

[near scroll]

embarf™

[eager wasp]

here you go, the clip in question

[stoic garden]

LOL

embark doesnt know how funny it was to fit two emitters on the practice range cashout throw holes

[eager wasp]

oh that one as well, but same concept

[stoic garden]

the size change is a buff for ks players ig cuz they can throw it and shoot

[near scroll]

this is the one i was referring to

[stoic garden]

and these changes are in the main game right?

[eager wasp]

yes

[stoic garden]

oh dear, a 93r buff

xp54 slowly evolving into a crab m11

[near scroll]

yeah only the health and movespeed changes are only in cashout, the rest is global

[stoic garden]

EMBARK WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING

[last steeple]

What the hell, cloak was too broken it needed that 💀

[stoic garden]

so true gang

[last steeple]

Shockwave on the other hand is so bad

[plucky spade]

WHY DID THEY FUCK UP THE SPEAR

[stoic garden]

so true gang

[indigo nexus]

What happened

[plucky spade]

IT'S SO UNWIELDY

Was it this patch idk

[slow linden]

Sledge is eating good,that's about it

[stoic garden]

goo gun being dead:

[near scroll]

yes, goo gun dead, slides bugged, quick melee interactions nerfed

[last steeple]

Slide being dead:

[stoic garden]

waiting for the day that finals updates arent zipbombs

[plucky spade]

Why nerf quickmelee 🙁

[near scroll]

winch sledge*

[indigo nexus]

People in a spear thread are saying that sliding while attacking with the spear has been messed up, but you can now cancel the spin with the left click?

[near scroll]

embarf™ hates fun don't you know?

[slow linden]

Winchclaw will devour no matter no matter what state it's in

[stoic garden]

im crying, people like this exist for real

[plucky spade]

yes you can

and it must look sooooo weird from the snippet i see on the switch from third to first person

[indigo nexus]

I'll check it out as soon as I've downloaded the patch

[plucky spade]

wait

this kills a med faster than the full combo + qm

[last steeple]

He's not that wrong tho, if it allows better weapons balance idc having messed up balance for a week in wt

[stoic garden]

i was being positive towards the fella who wrote it

[last steeple]

I saw so much people complain I'm scared

[plucky spade]

wait wait wait spear is buffed

[indigo nexus]

the spear meta... is it... could it be...

[stoic garden]

yea idk why people are malding so much

[plucky spade]

once the second spin lands you can insta lmb

[last steeple]

They just ain't used to it so they don't like it😔

[plucky spade]

goated? need someone to actually time it

[stoic garden]

people when light no longer dies in 2 shots from repeater:

[plucky spade]

inb4 pike becomes meta like that

[last steeple]

I mean light should die in 2 shots from repeater but they js don't understand adjusting hps makes balance easier, but it doesn't mean they already balanced

[stoic garden]

you can do it laptop...

[stoic garden]

idk it feels pretty ass to die in 2 shots from repeater, dont know if you've ever gotten double tapped from a cover peeking medium

another thing with repeater is the fact that, unlike bfr, shit has no downtime, faster reloads, 8 ammo, speed loader

if whiffing the shots was actually punishing i would not mind this as much

[plucky spade]

Also you can cancel spear spin before second hit connects so ig you gotta be careful

[last steeple]

I'm a light main and I hate this, but you just shouldn't challenge a repeater in the open

[stoic garden]

more like you shouldn't challenge a repeater ever

[last steeple]

not thaaat true

[plucky spade]

it is bro all you gotta do is get clicked twice

[plucky spade]

so at least now the med kill combo is simpler to do, no longer need that emote wheel thing

[stoic garden]

your only option is to get the jump on their cheeks, otherwise you're fucked, they dont need no extended period of time to kill you, you peek you get tapped

and then repeater is cheeks vs heavy cuz breakpoints moment

[slender fiber]

if they implement HP changes they will need to nerf half the light weapons

[stoic garden]

moving 10% faster as heavy feels so unnatural lmao

i feel way too fast 🔥

[slender fiber]

but I could see the changes being a buff to both heavy and light tbh cuz 25 isn't as much to heavy as it is to light

[stoic garden]

what the fuck did they do to slide jumping

also yea mesh can no longer slide...

they fr made my balls minuscule

the range seems to be the same, but you never know

[last steeple]

Even top players can't hipfire with perfect accuracy and with the right weapon you can kill medium before you get two tapped, at close range with a lot of speed, or at long range with something like bow and your skill 👍, or once again use your team8 as living shields lol

[last steeple]

They always were 😏

[stoic garden]

DUDE WHY CAN I SLIDE AND COMPLETELY CHANGE MY DIRECTION THE MOMENT I JUMP

lol

[alpine sphinx]

okay actually what the fuck did they do this patch,
Hammer has lost all of its identity, chaining attacks feels yanky as hell, you cant slide while preparing a overhead swing (a massive fucking nerf), goo gun has become absolutely useless for hammer (or anything for that matter) and the weapon does not feel remotely like it did just yesterday.

WHAT. THE. FUCK. EMBARK.

this was the nail in the coffin for heavy melee

guess if you dont play overpicked generic loadouts embark doesnt care about you and just removes your entire playstyle in a single patch, and by removed i literally mean removed, it is completely unplayable.

[tardy light]

Idk why they didn’t just nerf mag size to 10 or something 😭

goodbye goo melee goodbye goo stall, winch pick rate goes 🆙

[alpine sphinx]

its not even just goo, hammer was completely and utterly fucked, it easily went to the worst place out of ALL weapons

input queue for chaining attacks is gone, slide accelerating during overhead smash is gone

[random depot]

WHY goo gun dead?

[tardy light]

Huh I didn’t even see hammer changes

[alpine sphinx]

of course goo too, any sort of fucking skill expression in the weapon is gone, it has been reduced to "just hold W and spam left click"

[tardy light]

Goo lock nerf 0.8s —> 0.2s

[random depot]

Oh god

[alpine sphinx]

because they arent in the patch notes, clownbark didnt think it was worth the mention that they nerfed almost all melee weapons

[eager wasp]

welll i mean, dagger and spear are right there

[tardy light]

maybe accident?

[alpine sphinx]

taken to the backyard and tripple tapped. 75% nerf is fucking insane

[random depot]

I mean ill still probably use it

[alpine sphinx]

i just noticed, the charge lockout out of sliding only affects hammer apparently, great

this is so fucking laughable, if embark doesnt fix this by next week, i'm uninstalling

[wispy cairn]

The only point of the goo nerf was to fuck with goo gun players and I mean HOW MANY PEOPLE PLAY GOO GUN BRO

[alpine sphinx]

less than 1%, and goo gun is basically irrelevant in pro play too, so the change makes absolutely no fucking sense

[indigo nexus]

Spear's left click RPM got shadow nerfed, as well as the silent quick melee combo destruction

[wispy cairn]

EXACTLY!! Aside from blocking all entrances in a building which is easily destroyed by fire or DEMAT, ONE OF THE MOST COMMON MEDIUM SPECS, it really is only used for stopping people from running away by gooing them. practically the only skill expression with the gadget btw aside from hanging on the side of the map to catch people off guard

[near scroll]

3 different goo changes that wouldve fixed community sentiment towards goo gun, while not murdering a beloved playstyle :
make goo break faster and faster with each repeated goo lock, to prevent toxic 30seconds + goo locks (especially in final round with limited coins)
give goo gun an infuser style ammo system
give goo gun a right click that costs 5 ammo and goolocks but make m1s not goolock anymore

took me fuckin 3 minutes

i ❤️ embarf™ balancing

[alpine sphinx]

so many things have been shadow nerfed this patch, embark should just remove melee entirely at this point, why even bother when they do their best to make it unplayable

not enough people were picking winch claw, you cant tell me they dont want completely one sided pick rates atp

[near scroll]

yo what exactly happened to quick melee

[eager wasp]

welcome to the dagger lifestyle, nothing but nerfs for the 2 people who play it

[near scroll]

NAH

[eager wasp]

you can no longer qm combo, you have to wait for the full animation to finish

[wispy cairn]

only works with melee btw

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/mwqx1sJpElvmnzhHK?invite=cr-MSxwaFQsMjYzMzczMzIz&v=38

[near scroll]

u tellin me i can't sword lunge into qm after hitmarker?

[wispy cairn]

nope

[near scroll]

straight up fuck you embarf™

[wispy cairn]

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/mwquSCsAuMXUo-bkE?invite=cr-MSxMcmwsMjYzMzczMzIz&v=33

[calm yarrow]

Yup. I learn sledge quick melee combos (if performed ideally, they are quicker, than usual sledge combos), also dead. Especially with long animations of sledge. Thats how you rebuild melee, Embark?

[near scroll]

embark used to bring me joy and whimsy but now embarf™ only brings me sadness and despair

[near scroll]

don't worry bro the reason we're murdering melee this season is so that we can rework them into being just as bad next season :D

[indigo nexus]

spear relied on quick melees to dispose of both lights and mediums in a good timeframe, it is sad to see no compensation for such a change

(to the left click I mean, it didn't need nerfing)

[calm yarrow]

THEN RUIN AND REBUILD IT IN 11TH SEASON. WHY NOW????

[alpine sphinx]

or just not change it at all, there are like 1% of players that use goo, and goo locking can be prevented if you stick with your team. it becomes toxic when players stack multiple goo guns, but thats the case with so many other things that that never justifies any nerf, let alone one at that big fucking scale

[wispy cairn]

"We've got to get their spirits in the gutter so when we present them with a sub optimal rework next season they'd be happy with anything!"

• embarf™ probably

[near scroll]

i can't lie i do feel bad about the teams we checkmated in final round cause only one of them has coins so we goolock them for 2 minutes while they try to find a way to wipe themselves, that specific interaction needed attention, which is why my first suggestion is to change only that

[near scroll]

embarf™ most definitely

[stoic garden]

it also affects anything that slows you down, using rpgs and other things that briefly slow you down on use like reclaiming gadgets or using data reshaper, probably nades too

[wispy cairn]

can someone get the ttks of all the light weapons compared to sword with quick melee before the nerf

[paper plaza]

Change my goo baaack

[alpine sphinx]

absolutely fucking mental. this is the patch that ruins the game for me if they dont revert it

[wispy cairn]

The finals is turning into a battlefield game guys
Embark is returning to their roots

[alpine sphinx]

that is toxic yes, but it doesnt happen very often, and tbh it shouldnt affect balancing

[stoic garden]

true this sucks lmao

[alpine sphinx]

defib spam is also toxic, and so is dash, as well as winch stun, but they dont wanna address that either so

[wispy cairn]

nevermind false information guys

[shell sonnet]

they may have just killed some goo tech

well, more goo tech

[alpine sphinx]

all, and they also demolished heavy melee

[shell sonnet]

gonna check after the goo coon

[near scroll]

i'd assume self goolock related techs are fucked now

[shell sonnet]

cant goo flash

[near scroll]

what's goo flash? i don't know the words
also the weird goo jump is probs dead

[alpine sphinx]

ANY goo lock related tech is completely and utterly fucked

[shell sonnet]

so tight, you might as well just not

technically doable when near a wall
probably impossible on the floor

[wispy cairn]

if you get shot at by someone you are better off just shooting them instead of gooing

[shell sonnet]

its a gamble shooting down

[wispy cairn]

what i mean by that is that you are better off just shooting them instead of chaining a goo lock into shooting

[shell sonnet]

throw a flashbang, goo your face
it flashes everyone around you, but leaves you unaffected
well, it used to

[wispy cairn]

so that means if you run anything close range and someone is shooting at you from afar you are basically fuicked if you dont somehow build right at your feet in time

[alpine sphinx]

yes and melee was reduced to just "run after them and left click", because how dare melee gameplay have any sort of depth or skill expression

[wispy cairn]

embark wants intuitivity 🤷‍♂️

why else do you think they made sword mindless m1 spam more reliable than the very thing it was made to be. Controlled and precise movement.

[alpine sphinx]

absolutely fucking brainless

[wispy cairn]

well at least cashout stalling with goo is still possible

[tardy light]

way less effective if it was 2 people or you were trying to goo lock yourself to do an extended stall

but tbh, that might have been overtuned anyways lol

[wispy cairn]

you cant even stall yourself from falling anymore either...

[shell sonnet]

they removed that before, watch them remove it again

[golden barn]

yoo any Data Reshape users, some data reshape changes also not listed in the patch notes, usually healing balls > turn to red cans, but the new update make it randoms.

[wispy cairn]

goo armour was such a creative use of goo gun tho

[wispy cairn]

yeah but at least you could abuse it for free steals instead lmao

[tender compass]

was something changed with spear im reading patch notes and dont see anything but in game left click cancels the 3rd swing of the right click alt attack

[near scroll]

can you not do that even if you hold m1 for instance? like can you actually "see through" the blobs now?

[shell sonnet]

fun fact
with .2s
now you dont

expect it to be back at the earliest convenience now that it isnt useful anymore

maybe im being a bit too doomy about it
but this sucks

[shell sonnet]

gamble
as in
85/15
rarely works anymore

[shell sonnet]

feels hella inconsistent too

[near scroll]

no, no, this is a very tragic change that does little to alleviate what they were trying to alleviate while goo gun + melee is catching stray gunfire

[wispy cairn]

keyword "could"

[shell sonnet]

i was gonna try out melee heavy for the world tour event, but i guess thats pointless now?

[tender compass]

yea i played a game with spear i kept canceling the spin attack getting me killed and the goo change i cant chase people no more

[near scroll]

i mean, it has clear counterplay, pick off the goo gunner before going for a steal, so idk 🤷‍♂️

[indigo nexus]

The quick melee change is confirmed as a bug by Oscar, it seems

[near scroll]

least buggy finals patch

[indigo nexus]

Emote cancelling is basically dead (good!), but you can cancel it by pressing left click now once the first hit has occurred. It slides it immediately into a left click attack

[slow linden]

I mean the test just isn't gonna work because no self respecting heavy main is going to be playing it (basically anything but a Winchclaw player)

[alpine sphinx]

yeah forget about it, the S11 "melee rework" is probably just gonna be removing melee altogether or sth idk

[tardy light]

Lmao thatd be so funny

[tender compass]

yea i noticed that now but when u cancel the swing hit that comes out does no damage which is kinda dumb

[indigo nexus]

You can still mostly trap people with the goo gun, it just requires continuous precise firing

[indigo nexus]

Huh? No, it does deal damage, it deals damage before the animation actually plays out properly in fact

It lets you kill a medium super fast, so the spin attack has been notably buffed by this

[tender compass]

oh well i guess i gotta look more carefully

[shell sonnet]

maybe they could make it like .3-.4 for enemies
but full .8 to self
half a nerf, but at least stalling tech is back

they do similar to flash vs teammates
so not out of reason

[wispy cairn]

remove melee and give all weapons bayonet attatchments

[last steeple]

Xddd that and the fact that weapons ain't balanced around these big changes

[slow linden]

That is precisely what I meant,weapons not balanced around changes,heavy sucks

Heavy already sucks being balanced around Winchclaw,I don't need two permanent debuffs just because I refuse to lower myself to that of an animal and use Winchclaw

[alpine sphinx]

worst patch in finals history

[calm yarrow]

You can also place goo blob between you and flashbang. The closer goo blob to the flash, better. Or build go pillar. It is also works, but needs more precision.

[opaque wolf]

it doesn’t change anything in a direct 1v1, KS does 100 dmg per shot

i’ll still need 2 shots or 1 shot + charge to kill

[slow linden]

Only because it's incomplete

[opaque wolf]

also is 93r back in meta now they made it so you can 2 burst lights

[last steeple]

Frfr but I'd like em to complete it or to do nothing at all

[slow linden]

We do need radical weekly changes like this,but not half baked ones like this

[alpine sphinx]

no, because it completely guts any goo related playstyle and has killed any form of skill expression sledge hammer had. The weapon is dead now

[slow linden]

Gooflame works fine but yeah they shouldn't have nerfed goo at all

[alpine sphinx]

no it doesnt, flame gains barely anything from goo now, goolock is dead

[last steeple]

They could have maybe but not that much

[slow linden]

Goolock isn't dead,simply only possible with flamethrower now,but this still must be fixed

[opaque wolf]

they should have just nerfed goo nade, but i’m fine with less goolock because it’s not fun to fight against

[alpine sphinx]

it is dead tho lmao

[near scroll]

so many things in this game you see more often than goolocking and that are just as annoying, yet they didnt get nerfed

[slow linden]

It takes skill to do and has easy counters

[opaque wolf]

i hope one day we see goo nade goes to 1 charge

[near scroll]

where's my dash nerf? i know it's the only thing making light viable but it's annoying to counter, isn't that reason enough to murder a spec?

where winch nerf? like..

[candid vessel]

They were super quick to gut demat after power creeping the shit out of heal beam too

[candid vessel]

Thankfully they un-ruined it

[slow linden]

Charges aren't goo nades problem,the goo from goo nades should just be distinct and have less health than goo guns goo

[candid vessel]

I wish fire burned it faster

[slow linden]

As a goo flame main I actually agree with this

[opaque wolf]

just because it’s niche and not many people run it doesn’t make any less unhealthy, frankly i’ve wanted to be able to shoot while being inside goo for a while but this is a good change

[paper plaza]

They need to put goo back

[slow linden]

I almost never use my goo defensively,and solely for trapping and goo comboing

[alpine sphinx]

this is a horrific change

[candid vessel]

Throwing a pyro nade at a goo wall to get rid of it takes basically the same amount of time as mag dumping the weak spot

[near scroll]

why nerf goo and not the others though? how do you defend that?

because googun has a smaller playerbase it's okay to just murder their toy?

[stoic garden]

holy shit movement is asscheeks rn

[opaque wolf]

dash just got a nerf and winch needs to be removed / fully reworked but they haven’t committed yet

[candid vessel]

Nerfing goo gun before removing winch’s ability to grab players is wild to me

[last steeple]

I think it even takes less time or you could throw a frag too

[paper plaza]

How is the 10% speed buff to heavy

[indigo nexus]

But then if it doesn’t work a ton of effort went to waste

[candid vessel]

Sliding feels so ass

[alpine sphinx]

its completely gutted, yeah, you cant slide while charging hammer right click

[stoic garden]

cool, weird even, but the fact i cant slide while using mesh sucks lmao

[slow linden]

Just because it's not a boring ar or smg doesn't mean it's unfun or unfair,your small mind just cannot accept something out of the ordinary to actually be half decent

[last steeple]

Half efforts won't work anyways 😔

[paper plaza]

They removed sliding with mesh?

[last steeple]

It's a bug

[stoic garden]

you cant slide during any kind of slowdown, grenade throwing, gadget reclaiming, most melee attacks

[indigo nexus]

You can no longer slide while in any ‘slowed’ state it seems

[candid vessel]

Honestly 2 charges with a 5-6 second cooldown would probably be the best way to go about it, opposed to changing the dash itself.

[paper plaza]

Also if they wanted to nerf being goo locked why didnt they drop it by like .2 seconds? All the way down to .2 is so bad

[indigo nexus]

Source?

[near scroll]

dash got a 15% cd increase, goo gun got a 75% effectiveness reduction

[sudden pewter]

I literally called this

[opaque wolf]

i’m sorry i think stunlocking someone and not giving them a chance to fight back is not fun to fight against, goo was eventually gonna get some kinda nerf it was expected

[candid vessel]

That explains why it feels so ass

[stoic garden]

considering everything else slide related is fucked it's plausible to think this way, but its not known yet

[paper plaza]

I mean its only a problem if you dont work with your team and get isolated often

[candid vessel]

How is goo gun more guilty of this than winch tho

[stoic garden]

"multiple people are typing"

[near scroll]

then maybe just nerf the fire rate/uptime?

[slow linden]

You're a heavy main,how are you of all people against goo gun when you probably have dome in your back pocket

[near scroll]

delusion

[last steeple]

Oscar asked for video reports in his livestream I think

[opaque wolf]

i’m not against goo gun, my friend mains it and uses it as a defensive stall tool or to steal boxes; just because winch exists doesn’t make goo gun any less unhealthy by locking people down

winch is a terrible spec and shouldn’t have been added but i can’t change that

[last steeple]

I wasn't watching but I saw someone who said that and there's no reason for them to lie+making the game slower on purpose and nerfing melee would be the worst moove oat

[random depot]

Winch on medium? Give heavy fkin demat?

[candid vessel]

The amount of skill it takes to be good at stunning people with goo gun is immense though. Winch is super easy.

[slow linden]

It's not,winchclaw is an instant one shot combo delivered directly to you,and goo locking even at its very strongest will maybe allow a one tap Sledge on light(he should've dodged it) or allow for a very one sided 1v1 if the enemy is greedy and poorly positioned, this is a fine state for it to be in,because poor positioning should always be harshly punished

[paper plaza]

With gooing someone they still have a chance to get away as long as they play it right, that is the difference

[cerulean furnace]

I rather fight my way out of goolock than deal with Winch fr. There I still have a better fighting chance atleast

[opaque wolf]

which is one reason why goo gun is niche, again winch should be removed / reworked

[candid vessel]

Yh same

[cerulean furnace]

Can't remember when getting goo locked was ever actually a problem on me. Either I maneuvered my way out or teammates saved me

[slow linden]

If I had it my way you would die immediately without any hope of recovery the moment you made a single mistake,because failure needs to be punished accordingly and success through great effort should be rewarded just as accordingly

[alpine sphinx]

bro you have so many chances to avoid or outplay goo, and it takes a lot of skill to use goo gun offensively against enemies over bronze

[near scroll]

i'm just mad that the nerf embarf™ chose was so stupid

[paper plaza]

Playing goo gun in Plat is painful when your team decides to do anything but defend the area

[slow linden]

It was fine as a niche,stamping it out and making it unusable is not a good decision though

[cerulean furnace]

It's good people are loud about it. I do think having it set to 0.6 would have been entirely fine, but 0.2 seems way too much.

Does this also count for Goonades and barrels?

Either way I rather just had the goo gun fire rate or ammocount nerfed

[tardy light]

those changes all require some effort to implement while the current change is simple and probably took editing 1 value

not defending it but this was the easiest route for them lol

[alpine sphinx]

even .6 is hardly enough to even swap from goo gun to your weapon

[near scroll]

they have the infuser code, just copy paste onto goo gun ammo 🤷‍♂️

[tardy light]

i think its a change to all goo

[cerulean furnace]

Oh gods

[paper plaza]

Ehhhhhh not so much tbh

[near scroll]

also bro embarf™ does so little per patch they could try and write 10 lines of code in 2 weeks
(i know gamedev can be tough, i'm mostly kidding but cmon bro)

[alpine sphinx]

if anything, it should only affect grenades and containers, because those primary uses are not goo locking

[cerulean furnace]

Also tf I hear about Qm being broken on melee? I only ever seen people do clips of the dagger not being able to insta qm, but is this to all weapons?

[near scroll]

oscar confirmed bug, will be fixed

[slow linden]

Dogshit is not niche,spear is not niche,mgl is not niche,they are dogshit weapons that deserve to be better and should be played as a form of penance until they're buffed,but as of now they are ASS and deserve to be called ASS because they are ASS

[near scroll]

what do you mean? please elaborate if you don't mind

[alpine sphinx]

input queues are messed up, hammer also has issues chaining heavy and light swings.....

[cerulean furnace]

I figured. Lots of stuff looks broken rn and people are being quite loud of calling it a nerf when it does look unintended. The slide also bugged I imagine?

[stoic garden]

it's comical how many bugs a random ass update can introduce in this game

[cerulean furnace]

Dual Blades must be crying rn (me im the dual blades)

[near scroll]

to be fair with the bajillion nerfs quick melee caught it wasn't unreasonable to assume it was an intended "bugfix" or w.e

[stoic garden]

mind you, it even happens during store updates

[cerulean furnace]

Weird how that happened too. Idk much about code granted, but these changes didn't look like they're linked to everything else.

[viscid carbon]

Breaking: people use the Goo Gun exclusively for goo locking (which the devs admitted was not part of its core design philosophy) and bitch up a storm when it gets nerfed, while the spec was actually made for defensive setups and easier traversal

[cerulean furnace]

I genuinely cannot remember qm being nerfed recently at all, didn't they even buff it by making it so u don't gotta crouch to hit stuff?

[near scroll]

i meant more over the seasons

the strength of QM now compared to like S2 is abysmal

[candid vessel]

Its not that great for either of those when barricades, jump pads, ziplines and gateway exist

[cerulean furnace]

Qm seemed fine to me so far 🤔
Always saw it more of a finishing ability for low health enemies

[alpine sphinx]

bro the goo gun has existed for over 2 years. them not nerfing it previously and it having such a low pickrate confirms that it wasnt a problem

[stoic garden]

come on it didnt have that much of a fall

[last steeple]

Ts and a way to increase damages with rs or some other close range weapons

[near scroll]

ig not but the cool pump cancels and stuff are gone which sucks

[stoic garden]

if you're talking about qm + melee then sure, but the biggest nerf it got was just pump cancel, which imo isnt anything too crazy now that good breakpoints for it are gone either way

[paper plaza]

Okay, repeated goo locking making goo break faster wouldnt be great because then you have no defense in close quarters if you're trying to stall yourself, also that would apply to accidental goo locks too and overall it'd be a nightmare to try and get down functionally

Infuser ammo style would be awful because then it completely kills the way goo gun is used and make building defenses deathly slow and breaks the ability to do it mid-fight and In-between fights

Also that wouldnt be best, what would it look like? Just one blob? A larger one? A small wall? Would it lock longer now that its a dedicated altfire?

Its better to just have the same 20 ammo with maybe a slightly shorter lock time or just back to .8 secs

[near scroll]

breaking news : people running a niche loadout get pissed when embark murders it while not fixing the actual potential toxicity of goo gun because embark can't be bothered with doing more in a balance patch than changing one value

[cerulean furnace]

I main Model and while I do miss the pump canceling, I'm fine that I gotta commit when using qm. Tho I wish the pump would start faster after getting interrupted or doing a qm

[near scroll]

repeated goo locking concept would only "stack" per player, and self goolock would not be changed

i do agree with the infuser ammo style concerns, not sure how i'd go about it, maybe make it recharge faster when not taking dmg (but that seems unintuitive)?

and yeah just one blob with a different color like darker gray or smth

[candid vessel]

I wish the model didn’t get nerfed as much as it did. 25% damage reduction was slightly too much imo

[last steeple]

I miss model meta 😔

[cerulean furnace]

Where'd u get that? I'm loving the model rn. It's hard but super fun and effective to use

[candid vessel]

Yeah fair

[candid vessel]

Back in S2 i think, pellet damage cut from 16 to 12

[last steeple]

With all of the tiny buffs it got since it's great now ye I like it

[candid vessel]

Imo 14 would’ve been perfect because then you can 2 hit a medium if you hit EVERY pellet for max damage

[candid vessel]

The buff to 7 ammo is nice

[last steeple]

Since using qm with a lot of weapons to end a combo is a thing it doesn't bother me thaaat much

[candid vessel]

Yeah fair enough

[last steeple]

If you're close and skilled enough to hit all pellets you can as well qm

[candid vessel]

Its definitely not as dead now as it was when they made that change 8 seasons ago due to other small buffs to it and the general balance shift over time

[paper plaza]

It is used for both, people just talk about being gooed more than they talk about how many goo walls someone put down, and goo-locking isnt so hard to get away from tbh

[cerulean furnace]

Nah I'm good 3 shooting Mediums and 2 shooting Lights

[last steeple]

Yep, like KS but better

[candid vessel]

Not that it is dead now at all tbf

[cerulean furnace]

And 3 shots and a qm to a Heavy is also fair

[candid vessel]

Nah KS is like a top 5 heavy weapon now

Idk when we turned and looked away and it became so good

[last steeple]

I was kidding caus idk ks is harder to use 😭

[cerulean furnace]

KS is very fun

[candid vessel]

Because when it came out that shit was ASS

[last steeple]

Top 5 you think ?

[candid vessel]

100%

[stoic garden]

the 120 dmg meant it could kinda destroy people tho

[last steeple]

They did a lot of changes to make it usable along the seasons

[stoic garden]

the hipfire was asscheeks indeed tho

[candid vessel]

Wait it did 120? I thought it always did 100. Ive genuinely payed no attention to it besides the past couple weeks and when it came out

[paper plaza]

Yeah and then they altered it to have the 100 and more structure damage

[stoic garden]

2 weeks after it came out lol

[candid vessel]

Yeah you can really feel it, its better than the BFR in a lot of situations

[last steeple]

Ehh maybe but it's range isn't thaaat great so idk, map dependant I'd say
Like every shotguns in the game bru

[candid vessel]

Nah genuinely even at 30-40M id say its still better than the BFR

[paper plaza]

Make the goo stun time .6 seconds and then leave it alone

[last steeple]

Bfr got the biggest downfall in heavy's history 🤣

And now that lights have 175 hps it's even worse

Not bad but not great either compared to prime bfr

[candid vessel]

I genuinely dont understand why they nerfed it 3-4 times. The winch 1 shot combo was ridiculous but other than that it was never absolutely insane

[alpine sphinx]

no, goo gun now

[candid vessel]

I have no idea how the shak slips under the radar

[last steeple]

I mean since it has travel time and all you must have perfect aim to make full use of it at that range

[candid vessel]

Up to 30M its hitscan

[last steeple]

Goo gun was never meta so not rlly ig

[candid vessel]

So like under 40M its basically still hitscan

[alpine sphinx]

yes but now its completely useless

[last steeple]

Fr ? And how much damages do you do

[candid vessel]

Damage im not 100% sure but ik the max falloff is 70

[last steeple]

Nope, goo gun can be played with ranged weapons still as a defensive tool and it's great

Not meta of course but not useless either

[true ocean]

Is sword no skill?

[last steeple]

Depends if you face bot or players that know what they are doing

[candid vessel]

CORRECTION

its hitscan up to 25M, by which point its achieved its max falloff of 70 damage

[cerulean furnace]

Model is fine, no changes needed. Please embark

[candid vessel]

I apologise for spreading misinformation

[last steeple]

25 is nice but bfr is better on long range maps then

[candid vessel]

Yh on monaco BFR all the way but on majority of other maps id probably pick KS

[last steeple]

And the destruction it gives too is nice

[candid vessel]

That is very useful too

[last steeple]

The few times I played heavy, I liked to use ks, it has punch, it has environmental destruction, it has a bit of range, I like it

[cerulean furnace]

Wait. What do you mean Data Reshapers Canister rotation is gone. Please tell me this is a bug

[candid vessel]

Yeah fair enough its super fun

[last steeple]

Wdym?

[cerulean furnace]

I can't test it cuz im out rn but that's like my favourite gadget and thing to do, if they make it random it'll just be a pure counter gadget to other gadgets

[cerulean furnace]

Friends in another server mentioned it

[last steeple]

At least you can GAMBLE 🗣️ 🔥 no need to play gachas anymore the finals has that

[cerulean furnace]

Noooo I already am gambling with random items turning into canisters, don't make me gamble with pre existing objects 😭

[gray rampart]

BRO THEY KILLED SWORD. (and other melee)
You can't qm while lunge or m1 attack animation is not fully finished

[cerulean furnace]

Genuinely tho that'll completely destroy my playstyle with it. Aw man

[last steeple]

I hope they'll patch everything soon

[cerulean furnace]

It's a bug

[hexed rapids]

dual blades + goo + data reshaper basically got deleted from the game with the bugs and goo lock nerf

[cerulean furnace]

Embark personally hates me 😭

Guess I'll use mines

[gray rampart]

You sure?
Idk at this point 😭
Maybe they just killing melee to reverse all to start of s10 and call it rework

[cerulean furnace]

Apparently it is a Oscar confirmed bug

[alpine sphinx]

yeah melee is dead, this is the melee rework theyve been talking about

[cerulean furnace]

No more melee, only ARNs, M11s and flamethrower now

This does seem like there really is no actual testing before releasing a patch

[glossy sun]

What happened with Melee?

[cerulean furnace]

Like these are core gameplay abilities, no way those would have been missed if there was testing

[glossy sun]

Im not noticing it.

[cerulean furnace]

Qm is bugged and doesn't play out like it's supposed to when using melee weapons

[hexed rapids]

QM is bugged and doesn't cancel melee animations. you cannot quickly combo a QM from a melee weapon attack right now, at least from my testing in practice mode.

[silent helm]

Gotta love when devs ruin their game overnight.

[broken mulch]

what the fuck

[cerulean furnace]

This all cuz Lights can't help themselves to rush into a 1v3 and cry about dying then

[cerulean furnace]

This is a joke ofc

[broken mulch]

slide got cooked too theres no way they tested ts

[last steeple]

Or is it ??

[last steeple]

Guess they didn't expect that few changes to impact that much the game 🧍‍♂️

[gray rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/607981757807067138/1491559387897139290/PIZDEC-3x.gif

[cerulean furnace]

Guess this is a good time to take a break from this game huh

[paper plaza]

With a game like The Finals, most changes have big impacts even if theyre a small change technically

[gray rampart]

I was a bit hyped bc you can do x3 m1 + qm H with hammer

But now its not even possible 😭

[cerulean furnace]

Dual Blades technically doesn't need to qm combo Heavy now atleast

[silent helm]

Definitely. Uninstalling until game isn't garbage.

[indigo nexus]

In ambitious software projects all sorts of things are typically a bit of an interlinked mess

[vocal stone]

Do you think Embark will make a hotfix like in 1-2 days that reverts slide change?

Not saying it about goo because i think they will stick to their decision

[hexed marsh]

omg! you ruined the game! the slide is cooked! and why do you need to balance the contestants? balance the guns. not the contestants! this is a fast paced game but you're making things slowers. the guns does not need bullets! it need TTK(time to kill)! devs having a hard time balancing guns so they change the contestants instead. I HAVE BEEN PLAYING THIS GAME SINCE BETA AND SPEND ALMOST 100k already on it. come on! YOU THEN NERF THE SWORD AGAIN BY NOT ALLOWING QUICK MELEE CANCELLATION. CMON!

[versed finch]

You understand that they're balancing the contestants so they can balance the guns?

[keen raven]

ok... so heavy moves faster witch is great, BUT, goo gun traps for a shorter time. is this a yay or a neigh for the sledge.ALSO INPUT BUFFER TO DATA RESHAPE BUT NOT DEMAT ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[versed finch]

Getting trapped in goo with the goo gun was the most annoying thing 😭

[keen raven]

yeah its what made sledge so good but now idk whats gonna happen with it

[versed finch]

I don't run too much melee, so I don't really get affected by the change, but they'll likely revert it (or if it's a bug, fix it)

[paper plaza]

Get gooed

[versed finch]

93R getting sent back to Season 6 version was not on my bucket list

I'm kind of glad, now I can actually play it again, which I like using it so that's nice

[versed finch]

Also what does bro mean by guns don't need bullets 😭

[keen raven]

im still so pissed that demat didn't get input buffering. its the one thing that people have been complaining about while using it where you pull out the pad click then put it away and nothing happend

[versed finch]

Don't use demat but that sound rough

[keen raven]

ive lost cashout defences to it

[versed finch]

Season 12 please add that full auto shotgun. Give me the drum mag. I don't care what class it's on

Just wanting more fun weapons.

[polar coyote]

I have a request

The fast shotgun for heavy to have increased range

And the sword to have decriced damege

Make it like do more damage with the more hits it does

[keen raven]

feedback is two channels up

[polar coyote]

Ok thanks

[versed finch]

WE ARE NOT BUFFING THE SA1216 GET OUT OF HERE

[outer crow]

above"

[polar coyote]

;'(

[versed finch]

It's literally one of the best guns in the game, no hate on it but buffing it would make it way too meta

[outer crow]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-spy-heavy-sorry-to-box-in-eltorro64rus-gif-24541063

[polar coyote]

Unannounced

[versed finch]

Dual SMGs when?

[polar coyote]

Sorry to box in unannounced is the line

[last steeple]

Throwing them is more useful

[keen raven]

wow as if there not the same exact direction

[polar coyote]

I have too much time In tf2 to know

[outer crow]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-gif-18440123

:D

[polar coyote]

I have idea what if dual smgs but have dinamite strapped and when reloading your throwing tham at enemy

[outer crow]

dual miniguns

[polar coyote]

Mech

[versed finch]

Give me that as an event

[outer crow]

and minigun sentry

[versed finch]

Where you gets to run 2 weapons

[polar coyote]

Pvz GW2 Shr-imp mech

[outer crow]

https://tenor.com/view/eltorro64rus-heavy-tf2-heavy-tf2heavy-gif-27319710

[polar coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-funny-reaction-eating-gif-3110342836352015465

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-emdeb-fail-failure-cat-gif-16703817715131368982

[outer crow]

if i am not mistaking, the option to send gifs is unlocked with qualified red rank

[polar coyote]

Do I have that

Or do I need to go volve support?

Instead of alfa acta

[outer crow]

just text more and in future u will get red rank

[polar coyote]

Sounds easy is it though

[outer crow]

i forgot the pyramid of ranks on this server -_-

[keen raven]

shush red role

[polar coyote]

Is that supposed to be racist?

[outer crow]

Sasha is a sleep (tf2 heavy)

[hidden heart]

Reshaper best gadget

[polar coyote]

🙂

[outer crow]

https://tenor.com/view/eltorro64rus-gif-21612166

[polar coyote]

Depends how you use it it is

[keen raven]

nah goo guns ass now

[polar coyote]

Crazy frog heavy?

[keen raven]

im in a match they killed it i tried gooing into sledge and they did not flinch

[outer crow]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-yes-gif-13721721

[polar coyote]

DA

How strange is it that I main demoman in tf2 and heavy in tf

[keen raven]

we all goin back to winch chain after this

[outer crow]

https://tenor.com/view/eltorro64rus-better-call-mom-give-me-your-phone-i-need-to-call-my-mom-ehhh-gif-2171801783193252352

[polar coyote]

Wait tf2(team fortress 2) tf(the final)

Okay I got problem now

[outer crow]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-dance-demoman-gaming-tf2-dancing-gif-17138310

[last steeple]

Titanfall: exists

[polar coyote]

The finals: exists

[outer crow]

titanfall is just T :D

[polar coyote]

Team fortress:has the rigthfool 2

[last steeple]

Xdd I like to play T 2

[outer crow]

https://tenor.com/view/risitas-main-dent-issou-laugh-gif-9505807

[polar coyote]

I never played it

I liked playing apex when me was smol but now it's hell just having it in steam library

Is Titanfall older than the finals?

I remember Titanfall came out before a couple of years

[outer crow]

of course

[polar coyote]

Unlike tf2 I don't remember when Titanfall came out

[keen raven]

nah goo is dead why whould i use it for a 0.2 second stun when winch stuns for so much longer

[polar coyote]

Thay sun for lituraly the same time

Just one is close after stun

[keen raven]

yeah

[alpine apex]

TF2 definitely means Titanfall 2 in my books. Still the greatest game ever made that no one has ever played

But to get in on the convo, I’m so thrilled about the goo change. It’s not a cheeky stun strat anymore but it can still be a stall tactic by stopping people from stealing the cashout. Win-win

[sudden pewter]

Titanfall2 is probably one of the best FPS games ever. What EA did to it is criminal

[alpine apex]

If they release it in March like TF1 it probably still would have a decent sized player base. Poor game never had a chance releasing in November 😭😭😭

[sudden pewter]

The yearly sludge dump had too much pull at the time

[alpine apex]

Still fun AF to play, but every player in those lobbies are insane haha. I still whip it out when I want to hardcore parkour

[sudden pewter]

PvE mode is still there

But definitely not a replacement for the insane PvP experience

[alpine apex]

Super true. I guess I would just need a squad to have the social fun I’m looking for

[still tusk]

Bro data reshaper is random now????!!!

[sudden pewter]

How did they manage to fuck that up

[alpine apex]

The problem is if we ever did get TF3 I just assume it would be a heavily monetized mess of a game because EA owns it and all of the OG devs are loooooong gone.

The expectation would be low, my excitement level for playing would be high, and I’d sadly probably delete it after a week when I realize it’s a stripped down version of the game that’s in my Mount Rushmore of games

[sudden pewter]

Yeah, head of respawn unfortunately passed in a car crash. Even if some talent is still there, without proper leadership it’ll be more of the same.

[muted condor]

Personally I think it’s a bit over rated

[alpine apex]

SHAME

[muted condor]

Not bad by any means but glazed beyond what is was

[sudden pewter]

Kill

[muted condor]

Movement was super good but the titans were kinda bland and the guns we’re just straight up lame for supposedly being super far into the future

[spring oasis]

I loved Live Fire

[muted condor]

Absolutely snooze fest from who ever did the weapon design

[spring oasis]

??

[muted condor]

The AT weapons and Coldwar were the only cool weapons

[alpine apex]

I will ACCEPT your quip about the guns, but it’s not like it was supposed to be a wacky, zaney space shooter with laser beams and gravity guns.

It was made by the same guys who MADE cod after all.

However calling it overrated in the gaming world is like saying we should abolish women’s rights and bring back slavery in the United States 🤣

[sudden pewter]

Cold War users are Light equivalents. Softball gang rise up

[chilly granite]

alright guys I played the new mode and it didn't feel dramatically different at all on hp pools

[alpine apex]

Oof, that damn softball lol

[chilly granite]

I felt the difference on the movespeed though, teams stuck together a lot better and it was nice

[alpine apex]

New mode? I thought it applied to every mode other than ranked. Maybe I read that wrong

[muted condor]

You don’t have to have the weapons be all goofy and whacking for them not to be super boring and just break the emersion

We got FTLT and terraforming technology but they still have mfs running around with guns comparable to weapons made in the 1980s

[alpine apex]

I just imagined myself being in Edge of Tomorrow or Avatar or the Matrix. I wasn’t as focus on it being the year 5000 or whatever

[alpine apex]

Fair points though!

[muted condor]

I get game play and suspension of disbelief but they still have foot soldiers fighting in more primitive ways than we do in the modern day

[alpine apex]

In the future we just all have death stars that blow up planets on command. And yes I’m aware that technically that was “a long time ago” and “in a galaxy far far away.”

So I’ll suspend the realism

But now that we’ve officially turned #💣┇weapons-gadgets into the #🏓┇other-games page…. Whoops…

[muted condor]

The technology levels of starwars and story usually explain why they work the way they do. Titan fall does not

[alpine apex]

Oh I’m sure it’s on a titanfallpedia page somewhere. Respawn used to be awesome at their lore building. But then again… EA

[muted condor]

Also I’m going to catch hate for this but I didn’t like the titans that much

[alpine apex]

That’s not hate. I think most players preferred the pilot gameplay. I personally almost always had my titan on auto unless the other team was ALL in their titans

[left sage]

Why was goo sledge taken out back and shot?

[muted condor]

I love armored core, mech warrior, and Gundam mech designs but titans just missed the mark

[left sage]

Mechwarrior my beloved

Give us another pvp game i beg

[hazy hemlock]

Oh im around my people I love mecha shit when its done well

[sudden pewter]

Why would any reasonable empire make a giant fuckass laser moon when launching a big metal bar into a planet would be infinitely cheaper and just as effective

[muted condor]

I only play the table top but I love the the lore around each mech

[hazy hemlock]

Because laser tech is mainstream in star ward and also cheaper in the long run. Metal in that universe, especially metal for weaponry is extremely expensive.

[alpine apex]

Because lock bolt is the appropriate gadget for that strat 👍

[hazy hemlock]

Hence in most comics/books they put an emphasis on the metal alternatives. For example the armor storm/clone troopers wear is called Pla-Steel. Its a plastic alloy carbonate which is nerd for a plastic modified and tempered to be as tough as steel.

[sudden pewter]

They built a moon sized weapon out of metal. And it was used a single time. They could have just built an orbital railgun for not even 1/45th the resources and use fat fucking rods of whatever they wished

Not like starwars is realistic, it’s sci-fi fantasy.

[hazy hemlock]

Not nessicarily. To be able to destroy a planet they needed something large. They also wanted a symbol of the empire power and a base capable of housing its forces. Lasers are just more cost efficient and have unlimited ammo. Railgun in star wars mythos takes more time to charge than lasers, to expensive and on top of that lasers in star wars are more destructive than any metal

[hazy hemlock]

True but its just funny how George Lucas invented bullshit to stop these questions from going unanswered

[sudden pewter]

Lasers aren’t unlimited in starwars 💀

[muted condor]

1: you can use it more than once
2: the entire point of the Deathstar was to be a show of power

Also an explanation doesn’t have to be perfect for me to accept it when it comes to fiction. If there is actually in universe reason for something even if it’s isn’t 100% logical I’ll look past that in the name of fun

[hazy hemlock]

Actually they are. Star War lasers dont actually need to be reloaded you just have to let the core that produces them cool off. Only needs replacing if you overuse it causing it to overheat and break

[alpine apex]

The entire point of a Titanfall titan was to kill enemy forces.

So what if it didn’t look cool in terms of game design.

Lawyered. 👨‍⚖️

[sudden pewter]

Wrong message boo

[alpine apex]

Lmao. I just wanted to argue

[muted condor]

My gripes with the titans is 100% personal preference

[alpine apex]

🫡

[muted condor]

Also I fully admit titan fall was definitely not made for me. The game is not bad I just didn’t fuck with it that much

[sudden pewter]

I fucked with it Heavy. Painful to see EA’s current cashcow (apex) wear the corpse of its betters as a badge of honor.

[muted condor]

I enjoyed apex up until about season 8/9

[hazy hemlock]

Bro said star wars lasers arent unlimited lmfao. That would imply a lightsaber can run out of fuel. Which it cannot. Tho the blasters and lightsabers DO use a battery that lasts 50-100 years. Standard practice js to replace it every 40 just to be safe tho

[muted condor]

Revenant is still one of the coolest characters and it’s a shame he’s wasted on that game

[hazy hemlock]

They wanted to make titanfall 3 but EA keeps telling them no and to keep working on apex. Which is sad cuz apex WAS a passion project that was meant to test shit they wanted in titanfall 3

Ea gotta be allergic to money atp

[sudden pewter]

MB blud StarWars Battlefront 2 had limited ammo so that’s what I pull from

Lightsabers are also distinct from blasters

[hazy hemlock]

Cant just give you u limited ammo with no concequence. Tho most modern SW games are using overheat visuals now

[muted condor]

Also the deathstar ran off the kyber crystals so yes it would be unlimited

I least i think it did

[sudden pewter]

Blasters in starwars also aren’t infinite, they use gas and power packs. The gas changes the color of the shot ☝️ 🤓

[hazy hemlock]

It did lol thats a while plotting in the clone wars TV show and jedi:fallen order

[muted condor]

Also the Deathstar was not just a for destroying planets. It was a mobile HQ that had a bunch of different jobs

[hazy hemlock]

Nerd translation. Lasts 50-100 years if it didn't break

[muted condor]

As far as planet destroying scifi weapons go it is surprisingly one of the most logical

[sudden pewter]

500 or so shots according to a quick google search but tbh I’m not super invested

[muted condor]

Use it one of twice so everyone knows what it does and now you can pull it up to any planet and instantly make everyone surrender by just seeing it

[sudden pewter]

My friends are Star Wars nerds but I’m more interested in seeing JarJar x Yoda hybrid offspring

[muted condor]

The Gloop Shitto to rule them all

[sudden pewter]

So true

[muted condor]

I wouldn’t call myself a SW nerd but I appreciate it for what it is

Probably wouldn’t have 90% of the scifi stories today if SW and Dune didn’t exist

[sudden pewter]

I’ve completely clocked out after Disney’s acquisition of the IP. I’ve no hope for its future

The old stuff still rocks though, it’s evergreen

[muted condor]

Disney Star Wars doesn’t exist besides rouge one

[sudden pewter]

The emperor….has somehow returned….

[muted condor]

Not this fuck

Also from what I’m seeing this update straight up fucked the game

[stoic garden]

i dont usually quit until they fix something, so this speaks volumes i'd say

[sudden pewter]

Oh yeah, it’s prime Embark time.

• Yeah that thing that’s been in the game for 2 years? Never intended, heavily nerfed. (Goo lock)
• QM combos for melee weapons? We told you we don’t like them before, heavily nerfed.
• Sliding? Fixed. (We broke it)

[stoic garden]

the entire momentum of movement feels fucked rn lol

[hazy hemlock]

Is that Disney cannon?

[hazy hemlock]

Also just a fun rando sci fi convo no investment required tbh lol

[muted condor]

It looks like movement, qm, cosmetics, and basically everything is some how broken

[sudden pewter]

Common Embark L. I don’t think we have any official word yet either

[stoic garden]

people been saying oskar has been saying the slides and qm being fucked is a bug

[muted condor]

Cool I have no reason to play right now

[stoic garden]

exactly

[muted condor]

Someone let me know when embark actually makes a change to the game that matters and doesn’t fuck everything

[stoic garden]

i will legit not play until they fix the bugs

[hazy hemlock]

Its looking up tbh. Dave filoni is the president now and he promoted Sam witwer so they are heavily revising/fixing alot of shit that was fucked before. Also the jedi fallen order and survivor are genuinely amazing. Maul shadow lord show is great was also made to be very dark

[sudden pewter]

I don’t think they can ever fix the Disney movies without axing it all and starting fresh

[alpine apex]

As a former week 1 apex main who played clear through season 24….

Season 9 was the last quality season they had. So yeah, I played 13 worthless seasons of money grubbing self sabotaging garbage

[sudden pewter]

Rey isn’t even a character, the only good moments of the movies are references to what was and even those are hollow

Logan? Saul? The storm trooper fella was the best part of the story and was so under utilized I wanted to scream

Look guys! The nameless grunts that we kill for comedy are still people, each one possible of redeeming themselves!

And nothing is done with it. 😔

[hazy hemlock]

They have been alluding to attempting to convince Disney to say the current sequels are some kinda alt timeline. She has deadass also not been mentioned in 2 years in any star wars project. That and they did some world between worlds shit talking about timeliness in the ahsoka show when they brought back anakin.

[sudden pewter]

Good.

[umbral cliff]

So uh how's the update? I don't play World Tour im curious to get you guys opinions.

[sudden pewter]

YOU VILL VATCH ZE GRAND MAJORS AND YOU VILL LIKE EIT

[sudden pewter]

Horrendously buggy. Haven’t touched Respec yet so I can’t say but I look forward to trying it

[muted condor]

I haven’t had a chance to play but from what iv seen the game is literally broken atm

[hazy hemlock]

FACTS GARBAGE ASS CHARACTER LOL literally no story arc. She's just perfect at everything. She never even loses a fight btw. She wins. EVERYTHING. Luke and anakin. ANAKIN who wasa battle hardened war general took losses.

[sudden pewter]

The worst kind of character, Mary sue girlboss that’s always right. Yeah she’s super strong with the force, but never had to struggle to earn that power.

[umbral cliff]

Oh damn

[sudden pewter]

Anakin had to fight with his emotions and his values, his fall to the dark is tragic because he did it out of love.

Rey is tragic because she ruined the franchise. She isn’t a character, she’s just a force of nature in the worst way possible.

[hazy hemlock]

Anakin and Luke are such well written characters. So is Padme and ahsoka then Rey just EXISTS

Like peoole try and claim you dont like (insert here cuz rules) if you dont like Rey. No shes just a bad character ahsoka is sick

[rocky whale]

this update so bugged n annoying. sword is randomly nerfed now, cant quick melee after a sword dash n quick attack basically slower then the dash

[sudden pewter]

You hate Rey because she’s a woman. ☝️ 🤓

[umbral cliff]

Idk how but they managed to make playing dagger even worse. I can't fucking quick melee no more😭 . Heavies and Lights are gonna tear my ass up if I don't land my shit.

[rocky whale]

rip

[umbral cliff]

I can no longer efficiently stab people in the back alleys of London

[sudden pewter]

@cerulean furnace what happened to Shockwave?

[cerulean furnace]

THEY FUCKED IT

All tech on jumppad gone 😔

[sudden pewter]

Awwww

[cerulean furnace]

It was so fun...I finally started to understand

and then they took it away...

[hazy hemlock]

Fun fact Disney did a similar thing with captain marvel. Carol danvers wasn't captain marvel until they wanted a character with the title to be in the mcu. The previous holder was monica rambeu a black woman but for corporate reasons they were afraid to have her as a standalone hero so it got changed to the one you see In Movies to make sure comics matched movies when it dropped

[sudden pewter]

Those movies were so bad it physically pained me to sit through them dude I’d rather just forget they exist

[hazy hemlock]

Me, an assaj Ventress fan frowning at Disney tryina spin this narrative btw

[cerulean furnace]

ok but joking aside, at this point I don't know if some of these are patches or bugs, I really hope bugs, but this shit's actually so bad rn, we had like 2 weeks of balanced fun between all classes and then they break everything and lobotomize Medium, genuinely might drop the game if they continue to take everything fun and just break it to the ground, it's actually getting so tiring

[hazy hemlock]

Carol shouldn't even BE captain marvel shes always been an unpopular character. But corporate said the demographic Monica is in shouldn't be allowed solo movies so...

[sudden pewter]

Bugs. Not mentioned in the patch notes

[random depot]

This channel single handedly raises my hope for humanity

[tardy light]

Really?

[random depot]

Yes

[tardy light]

you should look at other things in life too maybe

[random depot]

Smart, critical people with a sense of humour? Rare shit

[random depot]

Close minded, you arent one of us

[tardy light]

That’s literally the opposite of close minded

[random depot]

Sure

I wont argue with that logic 🤣

Blud makes an assumption without any evidence and thinks he isnt close minded

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-gif-26206182

[tardy light]

this is arguing

[random depot]

No, its a statement bucko

[tardy light]

All arguments are statements

[random depot]

False

[hazy hemlock]

Wtf kinda world you in where all arguments are statements. That sounds miserable

[hazy hemlock]

Who you telling dawg. I found my people as well as another balance enthusiast

[broken mulch]

all arguments are statements grammatically yea

[tardy light]

How else do you argue? With dance? With telepathy?

[broken mulch]

an argument isnt a question

[random depot]

Argument and statement are philosophically and categorically different

[broken mulch]

make an argument that isnt a statement

literally what are you talking about

[random depot]

Grammar as we know it isnt updated at the rate it needs to be, and I dare you to find an etymologist that disagrees

[tardy light]

I didn’t say they are equal

[random depot]

EtymologyNerd explains this concept

[broken mulch]

all arguments are statements not all statements are arguments

[random depot]

Fair but thats semantics and you know it

You know what I mean, so stop being a smart ass for the funny

[broken mulch]

what is an argument if not a statement that the person saying it believes

like it literally isnt anything else

[random depot]

Its an argumentation on a standpoint and while on a technicality its true

Philosophically they are such different concepts

[broken mulch]

yea i see what ur saying statements and arguments are different concepts

statements are grammatical arguments arent, it js so happens that u cant make an argument that isnt a statement

fair enough

[random depot]

Fair

[broken mulch]

bye

[random depot]

Lmao

[spring oasis]

This guy's videos are always interesting watches

[random depot]

I also highly recommend the Cosmic Skeptic

Kyrgzkezaht

Or however it's spelt

[glossy sun]

Man... Still the same results

[hazy hemlock]

@random depot outside the bugs i think making everyone the same speed is ass

I also think heavy should stay at 350. If health values will.be adjusted do it by 10 while keeping speed differences. Maybe reduce the range of speed tho. Example heavy to 340 and light to 160

[sudden pewter]

To me the variable speeds of the weights are part of their identity. Blaming the average Lights incompetence on their speed is foolish.

Lights have always had the ability to choose their engagements, unfortunately too often they choose to be dumbasses.

It’s a Light Buff and Heavy Nerf ultimately but I’ll save my autistic rant for after I’ve gotten some matches with the changes under my belt 😔

I wanna give it a fair shake

[random depot]

Yeah its casual balancing to a large extent

Dunno why tho

[compact tundra]

Ok to be fair tho making every biuld match speeds would fix a lot of issues with non shockwave medium and non winch heavy melee. Idk if movement speed adjustments are the way to go for this but I do like the HP tradeoffs in concept, haven't been able to play with them yet tho

[random depot]

Lights feeding is a skill issue

Dying as light is always a skill issue

[compact tundra]

Also is head to head back yet?

[muted condor]

No but melee weapons don’t work now 👍

[compact tundra]

The fuck, is there a new game mode or is it just gone?
Also I heard the news and sword will not be playable for a bit. Hell I was gonna try getting better at spear but guess that's gotta wait now too

[gleaming aspen]

does the hp buff justify the movement speed nerf or too soon to know?

[glossy sun]

Like I like to say.
They have More HP, They Become Braver
They still run in, for this Minigun Dinner.

Truly unnecessary HP change.

[muted condor]

qm is completely fucked so you can’t do combos anymore

[compact tundra]

Yea I saw that and also that spear spin cable no longer works during the first spin so that's fucked too

Also apparently datareshaper became random

[random depot]

Maybe just increase heavies movement a bit more drop their hp to 325 and leave light as is

[muted condor]

I’d just like to throw this update in the face of everyone that told me just to wait and see what embark was cooking

[random depot]

XD

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-funny-AzX1UZyxwcT2E

[glossy sun]

Bro... They cooked... And burned the kitchen...

[compact tundra]

To be fair I meant wait till we can play the HP changed to judge them, but shit man they fucked the whole game

[muted condor]

I knew they couldn’t handle a half decent sized update

[muted condor]

I was saying this entire update and their plans are going to be implemented like shit

[compact tundra]

Fair

I was more talking to the people having a heart attack cause they lost 25hp and light was gaining 25ho

[random depot]

I just think its too early to be this harsh

[muted condor]

I would actually like for them to make the speed and HP changes but I know for a fact they don’t have the ability to actually make it happen correctly

[random depot]

Im not a supporter of aimless hate 😤

[stoic garden]

YEA LOL

[muted condor]

Iv got about 6 seasons worth of well directed hate that is all culminated into this update

[hazy hemlock]

I dont like it. Makes everyone feel to close to medium. If we are worried about breakpoint because light health IS to low to allow some weapons to shine through buffs truly cough ks23 needs 110 dmg cough then the health differences shouldn't be this dramatic. Light should have 160 in this case which would fix alot of issues. Heavy should NOT lose 25 health tho. That shit is stupid.

[glossy sun]

I'm chasing down lights as a Heavy.... They can't get away... And that's without Winch...

Idk what is the point of this Test...

[sudden pewter]

It’s less breakpoints and more that Lights low health and Heavies high health has made weapon balance difficult because there’s choices great against light and awful against Heavy.

[stoic garden]

there's so much shit this update got fucked up i even forget some of it

[stoic garden]

i agree but like, it's honestly about breakpoints lol

[alpine apex]

But knee jerk overreactions are all the rage. How else can you incite real change unless you jump to conclusions and type in all caps 10 seconds after the patch is dropped?

[stoic garden]

unless they want to tighten the ttks together

which i dont disagree with? I'm not sure

[muted condor]

I just knew how this entire thing was going to turn out before they dropped it and have two years of experience with Embarks capabilities (or lack of them) to know there’s not going to be a positive change from any of this

[stoic garden]

i feel like having less extreme health ranges would be good for the balance but i think it doesn't fit, also movement speed changes should not be real lol

[sudden pewter]

Ultimately? Yeah. But the rationale is understandable

[muted condor]

If you hire someone to cut your lawn 10 times and they kill your grass 10 times why would you wait to see what they are planning when you see them poring bleach on your lawn?

[dark agate]

Does reshaper not follow the cycle anymore? I didn’t see that in the patch notes…

[sudden pewter]

They wanna tighten the health disparity so there’s less “this rocks against Light but is bad against Heavy”

[stoic garden]

yea it's random now for some reason

[sudden pewter]

Likely a bug. No official statement yet

[stoic garden]

we'll see, i wouldn't mind closer ttks since light has basically nothing to offer that medium doesn't already atp, give them some health and see how that goes 👅

[orchid crag]

2 mediums and a heavy

[muted condor]

Embark should think less about giving out more health and think about giving out some terminations to the dev teams

[orchid crag]

only matter of time we get
slightly more mobile medium
medium
slightly more tanky medium

[stoic garden]

I'm Schrodinger's finalist, you'll never know which build I'll pick until i see your loadout 🤕

[muted condor]

Once everyone is medium
No one is medium

[stoic garden]

i Lowkey play medium very similarly to how i play heavy lmfao, just add the mesh gaming on top

[alpine apex]

Changes aren’t made willy nilly and without thought or rationale. Plus changes often take a long time to truly implement and balance from weapons, maps, and game modes. It’s not like they WANT to piss off the community and make the game “bad.”

People demand change and freshness all the time (content wise) and then when they get it they claim it’s broken and romanticize the past through nostalgia.

Maybe you’ve been burned by embark over and over but if you want to really stick it to them then vote with your wallet (if you spend money) or your time (play a different game).

It’s why I quit apex, I finally had enough and I’ve never once even considered going back and instead discovered this awesome game. I’ll let embark have a long leash until they don’t deserve it and then I’ll move on

[alpine apex]

https://tenor.com/view/incrediboy-incredibles-poster-throw-syndrome-gif-17947237037189380740

[muted condor]

Naw Embark is just stupid it’s that simple

[alpine apex]

Damn! Thought I was in the main chat! FAAAAAAH!!!!

Hit me with the embed fail gifs like I deserve. Go ahead lmao

One of these days Alice…. shakes fist

[muted condor]

Also them announcing another grand major at the same time as their worst update yet is the cherry on top

Truly the pinnacle of Embark’s achievements

[orchid crag]

i will never get over how they broke the movement this patch, intentionally or not, that should never happen

[muted condor]

Prelaunch testing? Tf is that?

[hazy hemlock]

Im sayin light heath can be increased to 160 or whatever. Maybe up to 165. That fixes alot of the issues ehen you look at weapon breakpoint. I beleive heavy should stay at 350 tbh

[hazy hemlock]

Tbf you can just DO that on med. I play medium how I play light lol. They do everything rn

[sudden pewter]

Heavies frontline role comes largely from the health pool and to a lesser extent utilities like dome. Giving Medium or Light utilities like that doesn’t make them a frontliner. I understand that they want to make the HP variance tighter for easier balancing of weapons and such, but I don’t like that ultimately Heavy is nerfed and Light is buffed though I could very well be bias

[hazy hemlock]

I super enjoy the raid boss feeling heavy has as light and feel like its become part of what makes this game feel different. Using movement positioning and aim to win that is so ssatisfying. Balancing it for bad players imo kills the magic of it. Light doesnt need more than 165

[sudden pewter]

No weapons are being adjusted for the tests, so Light is harder to kill and Heavy is easier to kill.

The movement changes are great though

[cerulean furnace]

dude no way. I don't know if this is because of the QM bug happening, but Dual Blades second and third swings happen like a second later now

[wind wasp]

Dude this is the play test

[cerulean furnace]

The overall RPM of the Dual Blades got decreased

[muted condor]

Embark isn’t able to balance wide class differences so they will try to make the classes more similar and will also fail at balancing that

[cerulean furnace]

Holy shit this is atrocious

[orchid crag]

and you are telling me that breaking quick melee on every melee weapon, which is not even mentioned in patch notes was fully intentional

[cerulean furnace]

This feels like after one swing, my character forces me back on an idle pose before swinging again

[orchid crag]

bare minimum

[muted condor]

We are their play testers. Why pay for your employees to test things when you can just fuck your game up and wait for your paying customers to do your job

[orchid crag]

now every melee does full animation before hitting again (not mentioned in patch notes btw)

[last steeple]

OOOMAGAD SLIDE BUG IS DUE TO A BUFF, BUFFED SLIDE WILL GO CRAZY

[stone panther]

it feels like a lot of medium melee were messed with this patch

[hazy hemlock]

Nono your correct. They are going to far. BOTH dont need to happen. I also dont like the speed changes only cus im against homogenised speed. All speed differentials should be within 10% of each other. Heavy-5% med at 0 light at +5%. Heavy SHOULD be kept at 350. Light doesnt need heath increas PLUS heavy hp nerf. Thats dumb. Part of the game is genuinly the playing around classes which imo includes speed and health differences as well as gadgets etc. For health specifically. It should be heavy loses health OR light gains health. Not both. BUT preferably light put somewhere between 160-165. This way there's space for speed difference BUT you can now make weapon balance better and leave heavy health tf alone.

[wind wasp]

this is the play test. At least embark isn’t making it permanent.

[hazy hemlock]

Elaborate please

[orchid crag]

the thing that was supposed to be playtested is new healths, NOTHING is mentioned about melee bugs that happened for no clear reason.

[wind wasp]

Less speed required to slide. allows for fuckery

[hazy hemlock]

Wait thats sick

[last steeple]

Slide is meant to be buffed, idk how but that's what patch notes said (I didn't read everything), well it caused a bug that just cancel slide if you use any item that puts you in a slow state, once it gets patched, we will just have better movement and I like this

[hazy hemlock]

Its just making my slide shorter overall and sometimes it wont slide at all tho

[muted condor]

Cool if we’re lucky this will be fixed by season 13

[hazy hemlock]

@sudden pewter sorry that was so long I didnt expect it to be

[last steeple]

Now I want it to be patched even quicker

[hazy hemlock]

Also thank you all got responses lol

[gleaming aspen]

how we feeling about the update to movement speed and health or to soon to say? im unable to hop on rn so i cant test it out lol

[cerulean furnace]

I hate Embark so much

[hazy hemlock]

@gleaming aspen this

[muted condor]

They fucked up movement as a whole so there’s not any way to really tell rn

[gleaming aspen]

ty ty

[last steeple]

My man, between a spear glitch that doesn't impact that much players since the limited targets you can hit usually is disturbing when there's go nearby, AND BETWEEN A GAME BREAKING glitch that affects a core mechanic of the game

There's a tiny difference

[wind wasp]

embark probably spagettied their code, some idiot probably forgot to modify the code that regulates the weapons relationship to movment. (And everything else)

[gleaming aspen]

i c i c ty

[muted condor]

Mb
Season 12 definitely

[hazy hemlock]

If you keep going to tagged we are discussing feelings on it. Can search my name in here from today as well and see. And no prob king

[orchid crag]

YEAH, NOT DOING EVEN THE BARE MINIUMUM

[wind wasp]

Nah, s13

[wind wasp]

Once again, at least it’s not permanent

[hazy hemlock]

How long before fix cuz i wanted to play today lowkey

[muted condor]

Actually we are getting another grand major so yeah season 13 maybe 14 depending on how that goes

[last steeple]

🤣Tomorrow I hope caus I'd like to play the game and have fun

[orchid crag]

It shouldn't happen in the first place, its telling much about embark

[wind wasp]

anywhere from 1 hour to 10 year

[cerulean furnace]

wait

ok so quick meleeing now also hits ur Riot Shield

[wind wasp]

are you actually surprised?

[orchid crag]

kind of

[gleaming aspen]

ty ty im lowkey already cooked from the dash nerf b4 but ima grind when i get back home and try to get back to the point where i dont need to look at my spec bar

[sudden pewter]

Next season bro trust

[wind wasp]

welp, welcome to embark balancing

[orchid crag]

im switching to leauge

[wind wasp]

bye

[sudden pewter]

I can’t wait to get off work and see just how lovecraftian respec is. I predicted Lights will love the changes because it’s a straight buff, so far most feedback I see is negative

[hazy hemlock]

Np. TLDR light needs a 6-7 sec CD on dash but increase the health to 160-165. Leave heavy health the fuck alone fr. CURRENT changes make every class medium which removes some of the magic for me fr.

[hazy hemlock]

Sir your talking to a light main even tho I been on medium lately. Im telling you no good light main likes these changes. Only the bad ones

@sudden pewter even in the light chat no joke 10 mins ago we JUST roasted someone for playing like a bot cuz they said they like the changes and noone whos good at the class agrees

[sudden pewter]

Love to see it

[broken mulch]

im glad they're trying things at least

[cerulean furnace]

Ok so Sword also swings much slower now too

[broken mulch]

what

[cerulean furnace]

I noticed it immediately with Dual Blades too, but Sword has it even worse

[modest lynx]

Swing queue is broken

[cerulean furnace]

Yep every queue for melee is broken

[modest lynx]

Its so fucked rn

[hazy hemlock]

Strait from light chat lol no good light player likes this

[gleaming aspen]

melee is meta???

[glossy sun]

Melee is Garbage now lol

[gleaming aspen]

how so if i may ask

[hazy hemlock]

Being so fr if they do these changes there's deadass 0 reason to be on light outside of some util.

[sudden pewter]

QM delay so no more QM Combo to finish off enemy contestants quicker than intended which has long been in the game

[glossy sun]

Someone said something along the lines as Bugged and Broken.

[gleaming aspen]

o

[fossil elk]

Bro what the hell boy

[gleaming aspen]

oof

[sudden pewter]

No more backstab+qm to instakill Heavy. Gotta wait for the dagger to finish the animation before you can QM

[cerulean furnace]

another update, sounds are fucked when using weapons with pellet like shotguns. Sometimes the sound just gets completely removed and u only hear impact of the bullets but anything else is removed

only sometimes apparently huh

[hazy hemlock]

OK as a non melee player WHY do they keep nerfing melee. Like ik people have shit positioning and aim but is it THAT HARD??? Ive been on. Medium all season and do not have the issues these mfs claim to have. All light dashes just get fried unless they are in a good position. Normally I try and get a barrel one tho, and I never feel like a sitting duck if I have pad tbh

[sudden pewter]

Minigun has had broken audio since S7

My ears are permanently damaged

[sudden pewter]

I don’t think it’s intentional? Chances are it’s part of the melee rework that accidentally hit live, same happened with Barricade and everyone loved the changes but they were removed due to “server issues”

[last steeple]

Pretty sure it's another bug

[sudden pewter]

Hoping that’s the case

[last steeple]

Same 🧍‍♂️

But if melee becomes good without even needing to qm it can be rlly interesting won't lie

[hazy hemlock]

What were the changes?

[muted condor]

Don’t forget the grand major is going to push every out one season further than expected again

[hazy hemlock]

I see

[sudden pewter]

Barricade had less placement restrictions and it was amazing. You could place it halfway into walls if you wanted. No longer obstructed by pebbles

[muted condor]

I need to make a “fell for it again reward” for Finals fans

[cinder fulcrum]

They broke spear too, can't cancel the animation with an sound or anything (kinda sad you had to do that in the first place too get kills)

[cinder fulcrum]

Wait they removed that? I was wondering why I couldn't place barricade like I used to

[hazy hemlock]

No the melee ones. Ik barricade needs its buff back. Its been like 4 months and its not back. I prefer barricade over done personally

[wooden rock]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1494427437440700526

[sudden pewter]

Melee rework is next season. There’s no official statements on what’s coming.

[compact tundra]

Hey what do you guys think is the likely hood that this update fucked the que systems and that's causing a lot of the bugs. Sprint queueing is what allowed players to slide with low momentum before and maybe tweaking how momentum effects slides caused that to get fucked, and maybe it fucked all que systems like input ques and using things like QM, gadget swaps, and the emote wheel to cancel those early or essentially interrupt them in the que. I have no clue if this is even remotely true to anything that's happening or if that's even how input queues work but idk, its just a little theory I've crafted in my mind

[sudden pewter]

Change your PFP back I miss the orangutan 🦧 I don’t know this one 🦍

Looks like Steve Harvey

[compact tundra]

I'll probably switch it back just this is a frame from the newest invincible episode and it made me laugh so hard I had to use it for a pfp

[sudden pewter]

I’ve never watched it 😔

[compact tundra]

I mean it's just so beautiful

The orangutan has returned

[muted condor]

Allen getting holy back shots from the loyal husband of Viltrumites

[narrow bane]

guys guys

93R way too OP versus lights with these changes, there is a better way to balance it instead of changing damage: https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1snfy8q/93r_changes_are_heading_in_the_wrong_direction/

[orchid crag]

and big changes have come

[muted condor]

Not good ones but definitely changes

[broken mulch]

It’s 100% a bug they didn’t mention it at all and they also fucked slide

[orchid crag]

those are def some changes

[wooden rock]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1494427437440700526

[wooden rock]

quite likely i have seen like 20+ bugs so far

[last steeple]

My man you're doing some advertising I see 🤣

[wooden rock]

of course for the greater cause

[muted condor]

This very well might be the worst move embark has ever made

[compact tundra]

I fucking hope this isn't a leaked part of the rework. Holy shit if they are gonna genuinely try to make melee work without QMs I think they have lost the plot. Could it work, probably. Should we do that, absolutely not. QMs have worked the way they do for the entire lifespan of this game and regardless of how much they dislike QM breakpoints it's a part of the game at this point and a core part of why melee in this game feels so combo focused, which is what melee players like. They like their sword combos, they liked the old sledge combos, they like the spear combos, hell fucking dagger has combos for fail stabs. Combos are instrumental to how melee weapons feel in this game and washing away all of that is not something I want or trust Embark to do with even a remote sense of competence

[wooden rock]

fr

[sudden pewter]

Embark has gone on record stating they don’t like that QM is necessary to get the most out of melee weapons. Hopefully next season they won’t be necessary

[muted condor]

Embark lost the plot with the first Grand Major

[oblique crypt]

Wait where does it say they nerfed QM?

[sudden pewter]

It doesn’t. Likely a bug

[oblique crypt]

Lol

[compact tundra]

That's the problem, QMs being a necessity is something we like. Melee weapons feeling like the big meaty combo tools where you slap a bitch with a spear, cancel the spin, winch them, and then fucking elbow them is so God damn fun and makes it feel like your beating the shit outta somebody. That's part of melee's identity at this point. Melee needs QMs not for viability but because it's a part of melee at this point

[wooden rock]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1494427437440700526

[calm yarrow]

Or Embark just trying to kill THE FINALS and free the warm place for their better kid Arc Raiders.

[wooden rock]

already thought about that too

[plucky spade]

that'd be excessively stupid, they'd just pull the plug if that was true

guys please stop being weapons-gadgets

[muted condor]

They are already doing their dumb shit with arch raiders that they are doing to the finals

[sudden pewter]

But goo gun is dead because I can’t stunlock people anymore 😭
The specialization has 0 uses beyond that and they murdered it!!!1!1!

[orchid crag]

but fortifications!!!!!

[muted condor]

Embark should not make live service games. They are great at designing games but are trash at the live service part

[sudden pewter]

Borderline Useless ong

Calling it Grupidity because this dude is a minion

[muted condor]

Goo lock crutchers are coming out of the woodworks with this one

[sudden pewter]

Lockbolt fans stay winning

[calm yarrow]

Nah, its still good as movement and stall tool.
But THE FINALS is on half about shooting and battles. So if goo gun useless as battle tool, its mostly a garbage pick. Especially if you love melee on Heavy.

[alpine apex]

If it’s a crutch that gives free kills then good riddance

[sudden pewter]

Lockbolt still exists. Goo never should have been primarily used as a Stun lock tool. Embarks sin is not addressing it sooner

[calm yarrow]

Yup, I already think about it. I wanted to pick freaking lockbolt...
Instead of my lovable goo gun, that I train for 500 hours also for the functionality of the lockbolt: stun.

[alpine apex]

Git gud scrubs!

I can say that because my cousin is a scrub.

…….

I lied… I’m the scrub 😭

[ripe cosmos]

Lock bolt is just such a goated gadget ngl

[muted condor]

Goo lock was just kinda dumb. It was annoying to fight and wasn’t even that good outside of getting free kills on low health enemies

[kindred gorge]

I’m not really feeling the difference in health on heavy

[calm yarrow]

It has a variable use too. I like this gadget. )

[ripe cosmos]

Idk about you guys, but if you caught someone on a jump pad that’s worth like 1000 kills to me 🙂

[hazy pecan]

guys did they fuck with the movement ??

cus i cant slide while shooting after the update

[orchid crag]

yeah

[calm yarrow]

Yes. Slide lag?
Ah, yea-yea.

[hazy pecan]

FUCK

[orchid crag]

#1494427437440700526

[hazy pecan]

whyyyyyyy, dont we all hate that?

[alpine apex]

I’m a movement crutch, but that’s because I run away in terror. No benefit to anyone other than playing my life.

But cheap crap like goo stun with sledge/flame or camping corners with cloak/DB is just a lame way to play. Whether niche or meta, I’d like to 1v1 people straight up. Not die because some dude is a one trick pony

[muted condor]

I wouldn’t call using moment as a crutch

[hazy pecan]

what were they thinking with this movement?

[calm yarrow]

I mostly hate goo nerf, because I'm goo sledge main.
And I'm pretty tired already for hate. This update is too much for my autistic brains.

[ripe cosmos]

Am I the only one who thought the patch was like, fine?

[hazy pecan]

bummer

[muted condor]

Yes

[orchid crag]

did you play or only read the notes

[alpine apex]

Everyone has a crutch is my point. We all lean on the one thing that we feel we are best at. Some people just lean on lazy tactics is my point

[hazy pecan]

yea ur all alone on this one gang

[calm yarrow]

I dont know, what this means

[hazy pecan]

like its sad for heavy sledge main like u

[ripe cosmos]

Of course I’ve played and read the notes, feels fine to me.