💣┇weapons-gadgets

[rustic torrent]

Think of it like this... let's take a look at the Tude Turner in TF2. The devs intended it to be able to more easily turn and hit your charge on a player, sure thats cool, but it doesnt matter because 90% of the player base uses it to trimp around the map and fly in the air at mach jesus. It had an intended function sure, but no one uses it for that

[alpine sphinx]

ye and stun needs to be removed, but disabling actions only on one side would be unfair

[rustic torrent]

Displacing the other side is inherently unfair and unbalanced in every situation other than imminent death

[alpine sphinx]

well i guess it does have benefits, but what youre saying would just delete winch usage in anything lower than diamond

and i mean, im fine with winch being removed, but only ruining it for low to mid skills is kinda dumb design, because thats where the majority of players are

[rustic torrent]

I'm just gonna agree on the remove winch thing because ik neither of us are going to see eye to eye on this matter. And thats okay

Also its 5 am and I'm tired

[alpine sphinx]

ye, at the end of the day, winch shouldnt exist because its bad for the finals' design. Same with dash and defi. I would be willing to let go of all three, but not only winch, because just removing heavy's bs gadget would be unfair

[rustic torrent]

If everything was bs, then it would be fine, but everything isnt so here we are. I am very much a fan of if everything is op then nothing is op, but not a lot of people agree with that sentiment

[alpine sphinx]

yeah i also heavily disagree with that, powercreep is a term that exists for a reason, and if unchecked makes a game borderline unplayable and can change the entire baseline of what a game is

[rustic torrent]

That saying literally is meant to stop power creep. Thats the whole point is that power creep is inevitable regardless, so make it not so bad with everything being just as bs

Plus, op doesnt always necessarily mean op, it can just be overtuned. Like if Fcar had those 5 extra bullets again, or Pike did 50 damage body shots, or... and I am regretting that I'm saying this... taser

Actually, no, no. I take that back. That wasn't op. That was just annoying and a stain on this game

[alpine sphinx]

no, thats giving in to powercreep and making it worse

[rustic torrent]

If the game is balanced around that sentiment, thats isnt giving into power creep, thats forward thinking

Powercreep is, for a fact, inevitable. No one can stop it. So softening the blow with making everything overtuned and having that in mind while designing the game, that is the key and goal

[alpine sphinx]

no, it sounds good on paper, but it leads to entire systems needing reworks which throws off the entire thing and you have to rebalance everything again because its not equal across the board

[alpine sphinx]

welp, i disagree

[rustic torrent]

You can disagree all you want but Marvel Rivals is thriving and The Finals isnt

[alpine sphinx]

marvel rivals also had tons of marketing and is directly tied to one of the biggest IPs in existence and embark refuses to market their game

[rustic torrent]

...yeah

Damn you Embark. I am seeing more Arc Raiders ads when I should be seeing The Finals ads. Season 10 needs to be big

[slow linden]

At its core its a parasite that is killing heavy with nerfs to things outside itself that have synergy with it

[mint wren]

Nerf sword istg

[alpine sphinx]

i swear this long range high ground map design philosophy is getting really old

final rounds are unplayable if you dont play the meta

[indigo nexus]

the spear meta, that is

[heady kindle]

I don't care about balance or anything else at all.

I just wanna see a buzzsaw as a heavy melee, and a fireaxe as a medium melee.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT WHETHER IT FITS! i need it. I want it. I will it.

[heady kindle]

Triple spear, no spin.

The true poke meta

[mint wren]

why not? (the ❌ reaction)
in my opinion, the sword is incredibly powerful, paired with evasive dash you don't even have a chance

[indigo nexus]

Because it’s a very weak weapon meta-wise

It is really not very effective against players with decent aim

The right click is arbitrarily limiting and very punishing if it doesn’t go correctly, and the left click lacks the DPS to win fights + the usual weaknesses of melee weapons

[mint wren]

Click — dash behind — click — dash behind — click

[indigo nexus]

if the game was focused around 1v1 fights then that would justify it at a higher level than it does now, however…

[mint wren]

I played with the sword once to test it out, it's just too simple and too powerful: you don't even need to aim, plus you can 2-shot light attacks and with the evasive dash you can get around the enemy to hit him from behind

[indigo nexus]

Well then you have a really poor sample to work with

[mint wren]

I did like 20 kills on quick Cashout with that game tho

[indigo nexus]

Lights can just dash backwards from you to kill you before you can close the distance, so it only really works on them if they’re not aware of you, don’t understand the danger you pose, or your movement is a lot better than theirs

Even in its prime sword struggled against aware lights

And of course the #1 problem is that by going in with sword you are at a baseline exposing yourself to the fire of the whole enemy team at once, who are incentivised to focus you

[mint wren]

Time and time again I've seen sword players wipe out teams with full HP

[indigo nexus]

A team has to play very poorly for that to make much sense

[mint wren]

No it hasn't.. I play well yk 🥹

[indigo nexus]

It can do pretty well in the modes where teams are naturally quite scattered

In power shift not only do players not stick together, but when they are on the platform it’s easy to safely dive and multihit, so it works well there

[mint wren]

scattered? (I'm not fully fluent in English sorry)

[indigo nexus]

Apart from one another. Not together.

[mint wren]

I don't really see multiple kills with sword, but one at the time, most of the time

[mint wren]

okay thanks

[indigo nexus]

sword is fine in general until like, gold tier players though

it's just a lot of the vocal players you see are better than that, so will strongly object to a nerf

personally I think a good rebalance would be:

reduce left click speed
remove the janky rotation snapping on the right click and make the rotation lock a bit weaker

[mint wren]

yeah

[mint wren]

YEAH exactly what we need
is the rotation even necessary on melee weapons? I mean you don't have to aim

[indigo nexus]

maybe remove multihit in exchange for some other buff..? Not sure about that. It is funny when a team just doesn't understand that body blocking won't be effective against a sword user, that's one moment where the weapon can actually wipe a whole team in a couple of seconds

[indigo nexus]

For the right click it's super impactful. Right now the rotation lock severely hinders your field of vision and makes it harder to hit them with the lunge (you can't really course correct, so have to predict their movement in advance)

furthermore, when you move your camera quickly while lunging, it snaps your camera back to where you were facing a little earlier, which makes it super jank and prevents the sword lunge from tracking enemies who are circling around you.

[mint wren]

I did not know that

[indigo nexus]

Since the left click doesn't have the movement and burst damage that the lunge has, the lunge is needed to compete against players with good aim, but these limitations mean there's lots of cases where it's just way too punishing

personally I'm a spear main, so regularly skilled swords kind of are just not able to win against me unless I mess up to begin with :p

quick cash is kind of funny in how the calibre of players you find make any weapon able to seem really overpowered sometimes, just because the players throw themselves at you :p

[broken mulch]

yea ur enemies prob suck im gonna be completely honest

[mint wren]

oh that was magnificent

[broken mulch]

m11 can kill u before 2 swings

[mint wren]

🤣

[broken mulch]

and will do so very consistently once ur past gold if u dont get the drop on em

[mint wren]

can't get past Bronze I 🫩
even with lots of top 3s, a single loss can make everything gone

soloQ btw

[broken mulch]

i do soloQ too but i dont really got any tips

[eager wasp]

there are no tips for soloq, you better fucking pray you can take every 1v3

[broken mulch]

sounds about right

u get some absolutely insane teammates sometimes that make you wonder why tf they in ur rank

i got a spear heavy that dropped 18 kills in a match so i js followed em around being a heal bot

[boreal axle]

For SoloQ dominate at least 2 classes and know how to play around teammates that is hard to know what they're thinking especially with no comms.

[broken mulch]

i think the best tip for low rank is js dont play light

u get out of low ranks really fast by having decent aim and gamesense, and then js staying on your team completely

[indigo nexus]

well, everyone starts at like 20k in a season

here's the approximated ranked leaderboard layout (by jean_mi), I bet the peak is where the base rank is

I wish we could see something of a "true rank" that used our data from all gamemodes, and then create a chart like this but for the entire playerbase

[ripe kettle]

No wonder why Im playing against the same three people

[kindred gorge]

Last night I swear every team I saw was HML or MML and everyone was rocking the rapid fire weapons, dunno if anyone else noticed that

It was just strange to me cause I was on the game 2 days prior and it was buisness as usual

[chilly granite]

You should be able to win like 90% od your cash out rounds in bronze, play light and plug all the boxes

[broken mulch]

U could honestly prob get out of bronze without shooting a bullet if yk how to stall cashouts

[chilly granite]

not even stall

literally just dunk gold + never die will get you out of bronze, because most teams will wipe enough to lose the cash advatnage

[broken mulch]

I wanna get good with the lh1 but my aim is actually so buns that even when I make a good play I js can’t follow thru

Auto weapons are js way easier to aim

[thick holly]

Same. For me I tend to go more for shotguns because I'm better with positioning and movement than I am with aiming

[broken mulch]

I usually use the sword because swords are cool

[thick holly]

I mainly play riot shield

But been learning how to play Matter and Model

[eager wasp]

=[]]'[ -my cat that walked on my keyboard

[broken mulch]

A masochist huh

[abstract kestrel]

Riot shield is kinda bugged rn. There's a sweet spot directly in the middle of the shield where the opps can shoot your hand through the shield. fn bs

[thick holly]

Nah I just enjoy how it plays. Genuinely the most fun I've had with the game

[broken mulch]

Sounds like masochism to me

[robust estuary]

What is the best to play with the akimbo .50 on heavy ?

[abstract kestrel]

riot shield is way better than swords performance wise.

[broken mulch]

And both require masochistic tendencies

[abstract kestrel]

You can become the annoying unkillable support and eat shotgun players alive.

[broken mulch]

Medium melee is hell

[robust estuary]

😔

[abstract kestrel]

the trick to playing medium melee is to not go for kills most of the time, just chase people away from positions

[broken mulch]

Have good aim ig? Akimbo are very aim heavy and really want headshots

[eager wasp]

best to get to a better spot in aiming with auto weapons, and then slowly transition over to single fire

thats what i did, im now somewhat decent with the lh1 and i was awful and hated using it before

[robust estuary]

Nah but i wanted some advice on which gadget to play with 😭😭

[thick holly]

Yeah I play a medic role as riot shield. Me and my friends built a team comp around it and we are VERY strong on defense

[robust estuary]

Or which power

[broken mulch]

Heavy has so many good gadgets, when in doubt js roll with dome shield c4 and rpg

[abstract kestrel]

Auto weapons are easier to aim badly. Tracking is harder than snapping.

[broken mulch]

I’ll try that, I wanna try playing light at longer ranges since I’ve p much exclusively used sword whenever I play light

[thick holly]

Honestly, riot shield is a support weapon. Not a push/agressive weapon

[abstract kestrel]

People who use auto weapons saying they're easier to aim really be missing more than half the mag and barely scratching the surface of the weapons potential.

[eager wasp]

yeye, if you can master your tracking lh1 will be so much easier to learn since you have to track like you would an auto anyways, you then would only really have to just get over the hurdle of it not being an auto and having to click when it comes time

baby steps

[tepid junco]

this is the first fps game I've played in ages, and boy my aim sucks. I'm used to third person shooters. so far I like the fcar for medium.

[radiant thicket]

REMOVE CL40

[broken mulch]

Cl40 is not that good bro

[tepid junco]

boring shotguns

[broken mulch]

Js get high ground on it or survive 5 shots their reload is slow asf

[broken mulch]

?

[tepid junco]

i'm not a shotgun fan, even though they're good for rushing

is p90 good

[broken mulch]

Extremely

[eager wasp]

for casuals yes, apparently so, ranked no *higher ranks no

[broken mulch]

It’s a headshot machine in close range it’s got like zero recoil

[broken mulch]

It’s not s tier but it’s def not bad

[tepid junco]

because I hate running out of ammo too soon with the fcar

[tepid junco]

ah, okay. i'm a casual anyway, thanks

[chilly granite]

charge and slam works well with the akimbos as it covers you in cqb

winch is meta becuase it's an i win button

mesh is decent just becuase it's numbers are so good, but it doesn't really work well with the akimbo's strengths or weaknesses

[chilly granite]

that's a pretty crazy take, pros have been scrimming with p90 and it seems to be somewhat meta for medium

[eager wasp]

dunno, i haven't seen any use of it

[broken mulch]

I’ve seen plenty in plat, Ik that’s not considered high elo but still

[chilly granite]

I've seen quite a few rubies/high diamonds use it

if you're low seed in plat your'e probbably playing against diamoinds/rubies anyway

[broken mulch]

Yea a larger player base would really help this game out

[chilly granite]

ahhaah

[broken mulch]

That’s true of literally every game tho so

[chilly granite]

@broken mulch regarding lh1/akimbos/single shot aim

input queueing in the finals totally griefs ssingle shot aim, so you want to take your time shooting, like way more than you feel you need

Normally single shot aim is much, much easier than tracking aim, which is why stuff like awp in csgo is famous for being noob favourite weapon

[broken mulch]

I felt like I was pacing my shots alr with the lh1 but I’ll try slowing it down some more

[chilly granite]

if you hit 100% headshots on lh1, you're beatting ttk on everything in the game at like, 55% fire rate

[broken mulch]

I feel like u gotta track with the lh1 js like an auto tho

I think I’ll js use the arn for now then switch over once my aim isn’t godawful

[chilly granite]

you really don't

trakcing is low key bait

also, bow is probably the best weapon to learn single shooting with since it doesn't have the input queue problem, and it is sneaky so missed shots are way more likely to go unpunished

[broken mulch]

I’ll also try bow then

[chilly granite]

bow is mostly hitscan within 25 H, 20M, 10L

[broken mulch]

Every time I’ve used it I treated the bow like it was hitscan cause my aim is bad enough as is I’m not leading shots

[robust estuary]

Winch is this good ? I always thought that it lacked of range i didnt know it was meta, i always run the shield

[chilly granite]

don't try to lead at first; just aim correctly and let the massive arrow make it hit

don't try to do partial draw shots either, just do full draws

leading is only really important beyond 25m

[eager wasp]

idk about the bow suggestion, seems silly

[chilly granite]

Why?

[eager wasp]

i feel like if you are trying to learn lh1 you'd be much better off with practing your aim on an auto first if you aren't good

[chilly granite]

With shak or SA it's pretty much 100% guarenteed a kill

[eager wasp]

bow is like a crazy jump with the lack of skill

[chilly granite]

bow is really sneaky in a fight

people often don't even realize I'm shooting them unitl their team is wiped and that's when I'm playing against high diamonds lmao

it makes it very forgiving if you're missing shots because people don't turn to you and murder you

and bow projectile is fucking massive, which makes it a lot more forgiving to aim than lh1 or v9s

a shot that would miss with arn/lh1/v9s often hits wwith bow

[stoic garden]

idk what kinda single celled organism you have to be to not notice that big booty damage of a charged shot

[chilly granite]

they certainly don't notice when I'm missing lmao

once I've hit they usually realize

[stoic garden]

but i guess people without vc cant exactly communicate that a bow fella from behind is destroying your ass

[chilly granite]

but a lh1, even when you wiff everything, enemies will hear the louad ass gunshots and immediately murder you

and even in a stakc, audio cue vs no audio cue locating a lil light sneaky pewpewing you is hard

part of why I prefer fighting lh1 to arn even though I consider the arn to be worse than the lh1 in actaul combat

i basically always die to arn before I locate them whereas vs lh1, I'll usually locate them while i'm dying lmoa

but yeah they really need to fix input queueing, every signle time I accidentally cllick just a lil too fast for the akimbos i just miss everything lmao

cuz one click too fast, the next click will also bee too fast, etc

[inner flare]

how would you make turret viable in high elo?

[knotty steeple]

Is is fucking ridiculous that's what is it. Heavys that use it don't use it to grab cashout or use it in any strategic way. They just use it for the abysmal stun it has so they can mow you down with their lewis.

[inner flare]

so you would nerf it?

[knotty steeple]

Just make the stun less.

[robust estuary]

Well the Lewis has a pretty bad ttk compared to other heavy weapon

So i think even if you ́re stunned you will survive, but yeah the grab plus the titan or the shak seems really strong

[random depot]

Remove the stun

Winch should be on Medium instead anyway...

[ivory harbor]

Can you put a 50 cal pistol like a dessert eagle on the light class please

[stoic garden]

basically the same ttk as m60 is bad?

[slow linden]

User error I love the lewis

[radiant thicket]

REMOVE CL40

[stoic garden]

🐴 praying this guy gets better

makes me wonder if holding furniture can block cl40 dmg

[slow linden]

If you hold up a chair up and block a shot with a leg I'm pretty sure you take next to no damage

[winged junco]

Why is sword so op bro, there is nothing you guys can tell me that will make me not think it is. Why do they always got 20-1 bro?!😭😭😭

[slow linden]

You're ass and don't know how to fight melee

[stoic garden]

You're ass and don't know how to fight melee

also your name is kyoto get out of here IMMEDIATELY

[sudden pewter]

☝️ Sword is strong sure, because it has to be given its limited range. Rather than reacting to a sword user be more proactive, poke before they reach you, block off avenues of approach, place mines in high foot traffic areas.

[stoic garden]

you cannot respond positively to a yellow name

[sudden pewter]

If a sword user is going 20-1 it’s not a sign that the sword is OP, it’s a sign everyone they fight is worse at the game than they are.

[stoic garden]

truthnuke

👳🏿‍♂️ or ur playing pre nerf frags vs MMM

[hardy dust]

If a sword is positive there's a 99% chance the enemy is simply worse

[indigo nexus]

I think I went about 18-1 with spear once

[boreal garden]

[slow linden]

They should have never been nerfed I miss frag cooking

[alpine sphinx]

just checking in to fulfill my daily complaint about dash being fucking stupid

[alpine sphinx]

also: delete fucking kyoto, this shit map is by far the worst experience this game has to offer

[vocal stone]

Late night EU servers got us playing against 5 sword lights once. Was pain in the ass sure, but we won. Cerberus+explosive mine+double movement did the thing

[broken mulch]

not even that strong within its limited range, sure it outperforms smth like a repeater but an m11 outperforms a sword at any range, the only advantage sword has is movement

[sudden pewter]

Yellow

[broken mulch]

??

ig we js got role racism

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/another-anti-yellow-role-gif-738165187688015805

[vocal stone]

Im afraid to become yellow now

[broken mulch]

U gotta fight against the role racism man

[indigo nexus]

I wish we could choose from unlocked role colours, I’d be red 100%

[sudden pewter]

Same tbh

[indigo nexus]

You know, what would be nice, would be if there were a selection of cosmetic roles of the different colours, for different saturation levels. And as you levelled up, you’d unlock more saturated colours, but could choose freely between them

[sudden pewter]

Red color has aura. (And fits Alfa Acta better than green)

I imagine there’s a reason the colored roles are the way they are, but it’s alien to me

It’s nice that at a glance we can see how active a user is in the server though

[indigo nexus]

I wouldn’t mind it being hidden behind a click

[broken mulch]

Solve racism by allowing people to choose their own skin tones

[indigo nexus]

That’s what I’m saying!

[broken mulch]

Revolutionary

[indigo nexus]

Another large server I’m in just has a selection of like, a hundred colour roles, and after a couple of months of activity you can just ask a mod for whatever one you want

[broken mulch]

Nobody would be racist if I could make myself puke green

[sudden pewter]

You do not fathom the lengths I will go to assert superiority.

[vestal lion]

can you cancel charge and slam halfway through? i find i sometimes press it and need to shoot before it's over... thanks

[stoic garden]

yes just press the specialization button again

[native kayak]

thermal

plz

[sudden pewter]

What a name, truly this channel keeps on giving

[kind timber]

Lol

[slow linden]

You are a worse role,acacia wood,ugliest fucking wood in minecraft

Would rather have a piss block to build my house than acacia wood

[stone stump]

thank you for calling this out, thought I was going insane

[vocal stone]

One who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw rocks at others. I wouldn't be so confident while having a puke coloured role

I wish red was the highest role

[slow linden]

It's more of a life green than a puke green,only the green are truly alive

[sudden pewter]

Greenest da Meanest

[vestal lion]

omg thank you

[stoic garden]

no problem g

[frigid socket]

Hey embark can you maybe bring squid game skins in just asking.

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/curbstomp-gif-698109369917669339

[heady kindle]

What specialisation/s will come in season 10? There can't.... not be any... for another season....

And also, just a fun little idea for medium:

A placeable machine (aps size), that deploys smoke on it continuously.

It'd be funnnnn. Interesting to see. Something unique. The Finals has done a great job at uniqueness so far, so I'd love to see the unusual ideas continue

[serene delta]

what is the best sight for the fmas?

[loud kelp]

I don't know WHAT class this could before, maybe medium but

Hacking Device (Specialization)

Tablet that hacks enemy equipment and turns them friendly for user's team (prime example guardian turret) 1 to 2 charges, hack time increases with # of items selected (like traps) or quality of items (dome shield to turret)

just add me into the dev team at this point (i bluff)

[versed finch]

Hacking device actually seems pretty cool ngl

[heady kindle]

Id love a recon sense sort of thing but it doesn't mark players. It reveals instead:

• Mines
• Turrets
• Placeable gadgets
• Barrels

I just think itd be neat

[radiant thicket]

REMOVE CL40

[loud kelp]

This'd probably be a gadget then since having a whole spec just to see gadgets would leave you a bit vulnerable

But yeah most definitely, I wasn't even around for recon so yeah

[heady kindle]

I don't mind what it is. I just like tactical tomfoolery

A little engineering here, a little trap there, and maybe undo some enemy gadgets with data reshaper

[loud kelp]

Oh yeah

[heady kindle]

No one expects the aps turret on a heavy barricade. Ludicrously underrated

[loud kelp]

Akimbo SH1900's

[radiant thicket]

REMOVE CL40

[heady kindle]

Add CL40

[faint flower]

Multiply CL40

[slow linden]

Buff cl40

[slow linden]

Add akimbo double barrel,add long barreled double barrel with a stock

[solemn axle]

yo

[frosty token]

Run into the CL40.

[slow linden]

It must feed

[frosty token]

Nah, that is a real tip my brother gave me for counterplay due to them needing to have a harder time aiming and not hurting themselves trying to elim you.

[slow linden]

Well yeah it's decent counter play but their dps isn't really all that,just shoot them if you're not on light and they die

[frosty token]

I play Medium 99.x% of the time and Light less than 1% of the time.

[slow linden]

Aim upper chest with any automatic on almost any poke or gimmick weapon and you'll usually out dps them even standing still

[slow linden]

Dude just use revolver

[eager wasp]

i feel like we don't need any more hand guns, we've got plenty

[slow linden]

I think light should get a belt fed revolver like the one from hunt showdown

That's it tho

[boreal garden]

With fanning

[slow linden]

A 1911 would be a much more reasonable choice

[slow linden]

Yes and no ads

[wooden imp]

#lfg-na-casual

[slow linden]

It should do fire dot 😈

Light needs a fire weapon

Tbh

[boreal garden]

I have no idea why, but that just made me think it would be cool if there was a small crossbow gadget that shot gas, smoke, and fire bolts and could switch somehow

[slow linden]

They'd never do that but it would be cool

[slow linden]

Or healing bolts

Actually fuck those

[boreal garden]

XD

[slow linden]

I hated those

[boreal garden]

Talking the revive bolts on hunt as well? Yeah that got crazy

[slow linden]

They were kinda broken and I hated that they forced a sniper meta

[fossil pagoda]

Wish there were more meta chages to keep the game fresh

[radiant orbit]

Even better, 1911 backup as a spec. Quick swap that just lowers your gun to shoot one handed, builds up reserve ammo like the tracking dart. Lose a technical ability in exchange for pure running and gunning.

[stoic garden]

https://mosaic.fxtwitter.com/jpeg/2031623003533127988/HDHGKOlaMAUlkwn/HDHGQvHbQAAwgww

taco bell patchnotes looking better than finals s10 changelog

[boreal garden]

Interceptor assault crossbow for med or heavy

[compact tundra]

So I've been playing grapple sword as my only sword loadout for a few months now, haven't touched dash sword since I switched, I recently went back to dash sword cause I'm grinding cashout and omg it is so easy. I'm dropping 13-16 kill games almost every time and fucking pub stomping other modes, holy shit I'm gonna tell more people to play grapple sword cause it makes you really focus on your sword fundamentals and when you switch back to dash sword it's just so fucking easy now. No advanced grappling, no tech chasing dashes, they dash I dash, easy as fuck, and I can double or triple dash to avoid shots or bail from situations.

[broken mulch]

what rank is this?

because if its as easy as you say it is i might js be ass im doing p meh in plat

[compact tundra]

Oh ranked I think I'm somewhere on gold, I don't play ranked often cause I find the meta boring to fight. Hell I usually play head to head but I'm trying to get as far into emerald as I can in the last few days so I've been playing cashout

[broken mulch]

in my experience dash chasing a light is stupid asf unless ur already on them since all they have to do is dash to keep distance on you and they win that fight as long as their aim doesnt suck

and the only time i get 13-16 kill games is tdm

[compact tundra]

So with me I'm a super movement heavy sword so they can't escape me easily, and since I can match there dashes and keep my lunge ready they can't really get away

[broken mulch]

if u dont have first hit on them when ur dashing with them they kill u faster than u kill them
unless they whiffing all their shots

or arent shooting while they dash but why would you not shoot while dashing

[compact tundra]

Combs my brudda

[broken mulch]

lunge + qm doesnt work at all if ur dash chasing idk what ur talking abt

[compact tundra]

This is an example of my normal sword when I'm just playing for fun

[broken mulch]

they whiffed like a thousand times

idk how that sword dude lost that fight since u were 1 lunge/qm/slash

[compact tundra]

Yea but this is me high and playing casual, obviously not really like top level play or anything

[broken mulch]

also no goo is p risky

[compact tundra]

Yea I'm not a fan of goo nade, I never really run it. I run
Gateway
Vanish
Breach/H+

[broken mulch]

i never found vanish all that reliable on close range builds, i only bring it when the team comp doesnt have a heavy

and even then its competing with smokes

[compact tundra]

I find it pretty useful, it's great for escaping and pushing sightlines safely. And it can be used on your whole team

[broken mulch]

i think goo is more reliable for escaping but sightlines is fair enough

[compact tundra]

Goo's probably more reliable but I've gotten decent at fainting with the vanish and I find it so fun

[broken mulch]

fainting?

oh feinting

[compact tundra]

Yea, This is one of my favorite examples

[limpid flicker]

dang

[compact tundra]

Hit that mother fucker with the ol' razzle dazzle

[limpid flicker]

fr

[solemn axle]

Really blurry on phone

[compact tundra]

Let me see if I can make it a bit better

[sullen bear]

Why did you aim down on the lunges

[compact tundra]

Flicking your crosshair upward while super lunging gives you more distance

[sullen bear]

Ohh does it work if you flick up from horizontal or do you have to look down first

[compact tundra]

I don't think where you flick matters but every movement sword player I've seen looks down and then flicks up so you might have to do it at a specific angle. The exception being dash super lunges where they start centered and flick up for a better dash

[sullen bear]

Teach me more of your grapple sword tech twin 🙏

[vagrant nexus]

MGL needs to be reworked so it explodes on a direct hit on an opponent or an opponent owned gadget. Launching a 40mm grenade at someone's face and having it harmlessly bounce of them doesn't make sense and it reduces the versatility the weapon could have

[sullen bear]

I see, thank you

[compact tundra]

This was back when I was first really working on flicking while I lunge so I made a video to kinda show it off but I wasn't really great at it yet, tho it gets the point across

[compact tundra]

Sorry I accidentally sent it twice, this has the explanation

[compact tundra]

Also do you play gyro, controller, or M&K?

[sullen bear]

I play on controller

[compact tundra]

Ok so if you have melee aim assist on you can actually break the aim clamp for a brief second while passing by them for combos

[sullen bear]

Woah

So that’s for primary attack after the lunge?

[compact tundra]

By lunging towards their side that puts your sword in-between you and them, the aim assist breaks the clamp for a brief second letting you hit combos on them. Its actually pretty good for lights and mediums since it'll let you insta combo lights if you aim well and hit the L+QM on mediums which is good for both of mediums main combos.
L + QM + L
L + QM + S + QM
L= lunge
S= swing
QM= quick melee

[sullen bear]

Crazy stuff, thanks

Is there any thing to know about using grapple with it?

[compact tundra]

Mostly just that you can use the lunge as your dash if you get good enough with it so you can reap the full benefits of grapple without too much downside. I mostly use grapple sword as a support tool since you now have the highest mobility build in the game, so it's great for running vaults or bodies.

One thing I love to do is if I'm on a LHH team is have the heavies set up at the box and I'll nab the vault with gateway and run it for them so they stay on the defensive all game

[sullen bear]

Ok thank you for all this info

I will become Levi Ackerman now

[compact tundra]

I've got 2 vids of me playing, one aggressive and one defensive, I'll send them for an example

I actually made it 4 cause I remembered I had some good clips but for the 2 I mentioned they should be the first and last ones

[sullen bear]

I shall study these

[compact tundra]

Whops one of them is wrong, accidentally sent the Cerb clip

[sullen bear]

lol

[compact tundra]

Eh that was the clip I cared the least about so I ain't gonna fix it

[compact tundra]

The gaslighters hypest clutch to date

[stoic garden]

lights try not to use vanish bomb the moment it gets off cooldown challenge

[compact tundra]

I can never tell which one is going to comment

[compact tundra]

Bruh it's funny tho, it make the loud glass sound

[stoic garden]

u never heard glass sounds

[compact tundra]

Shhh that's not important cause I also love gambling

If you never lose then winning means nothing. Gotta spin that wheel

[solemn axle]

oo

[stoic garden]

https://tenor.com/view/jumpscare-kid-jumpscare-kid-heart-attack-gif-12535254628037896885

[solemn axle]

💀

[hollow coyote]

anti grav underestimated

[slow linden]

Indeed.

[stoic garden]

remove ghosts they're scaring me

[analog pewter]

made it to emerald 1 yesterday bros

if every gadget is on the table im getting emerald goo gun, maybe healing orb, and idk what else lol deagles maybe???
goo gun is the only one i gaf about ngl

maybe healing beam

[compact tundra]

My dream is to get ruby breach charges

1. They're placable so you can put them up as warning signs
2. Placement matteres, the less rational the placements the scarier they are
3. Why the fuck would someone have ruby breach charges, like a ruby rpg, ruby H+, ruby C4, you know what to expect from those, they make sense. But breach charges?!? That's befuddling, baffling, unprecedented, it's a scare tactic, when they see the ruby breach charges and then see me pull up with my ruby sword, they will understand that they are going to get cracked in such an unspeakable way that they're forefathers will look down in shock and awe at the sheer creativity presented in the spreading of thine buns

[ebon crystal]

So with the emerald coins... you can just pick something to "emeraldize"?

I never grinded to emerald before, so idk

[compact tundra]

Yes but I think with emerald it's only a weapon, and ruby gives you a gadget coin and a weapon coin

[ebon crystal]

aaah nice 😄

[vocal stone]

Guys, do i understand it correctly: if i reach emerald 3 i will receive one emerald coin, right?

Because it says "up to 3 coins", so like emerald 3 is 1 coin, emerald 2 is 2 coins, and emerald 1 is 3 coins

[compact tundra]

That I have no clue on

If so then I'm very happy cause I'm at the end of diamond 1 and ain't no way I'ma hit em 1 by end of season, but em 3, that's doable

[vocal stone]

Same bro, im currently on emerald 4 and i hope ill make it to emerald 3 in the best case scenario

[stoic garden]

shit im just diamond 1

i kinda want emerald tokens

well, almost diamond 1

[compact tundra]

I'm current diamond 1 and I'm so upset, the grind is fuckin crazy if you don't play cash out. I've played almost daily the entire season and I'm only diamond 1. Like shit bro I think I've missed a total of like 5-7 days this season and still not even em, the grind is crazy for non cashout players

[stoic garden]

i played on and off a lot this season, played a lot of ranked tho

[compact tundra]

I barely play any form of cashout. I think I'm like gold 4-3 in ranked but that's from like 12 matches. Most of my time is in H2H and point break

[stoic garden]

i heard the most efficient point farmer is point break

but i have my doubts

[compact tundra]

Na if last as long as cashout and gives the same points as all casual modes, 2 on loss 4 on win

[stoic garden]

then it's tdm that sweeps

i want to get good on lh1 so bad but this holds me back so much 😭

[compact tundra]

That's the same but shorter, the onto game modes that don't give 2&4 are quick cash and cash out.
Quick cash gives
2 on third
4 on second
6 on first
And cash out gives
2 on round 1 loss
6 on round 2 loss
14 for second place
25 for first

[analog pewter]

iirc they confirmed at least emerald goo gun will be a thing
so other gadgets and specs might be on the table

[compact tundra]

I hope so, it makes sense to me

I just wonder if I could somehow get a ruby grapple hook, if so I'll need double ruby so I can really complete the fear set with my bright red rope

[sudden pewter]

I definitely feel they should readjust WT points

[broken mulch]

Tracking dart for me, maybe nullifier

I got a few gadgets I like more but those need the skins of the gadgets that is actually use

[compact tundra]

I don't care about skins, I don't care about drip, I don't care about any of that. I care about how the ruby makes you feel, I care about the fear it inspires. A ruby ARN tells you what to expect, a ruby DB tells you what to expect, a ruby dagger or LH1 tells you what to expect, if I whip out the ruby sword, grapple hook, and breach charge, it inspires confusion and fear. The drip is meaningless, but that, that strikes fear in even an emeralds heart, it baffles and dazzles them, something to provoke a feeling

Tis the same reason a ruby goo gun would be so scary, there's so much that motherfucker can do you don't know what they'll pull out, but breach charge is the opposite, there's so little the breach charge does it scares them, it makes them question why the breach charge, what does a ruby level breach charge main even look like, no one knows, it instills a feeling in them

[weak radish]

i

[broken mulch]

I as well yes

[compact tundra]

I think 2 things season 10 NEEDS to change is how ranked works and the WT point system

[frosty token]

I too would love a buff to WT points, just in general.

They can even keep the "but Cashout gives the most" and I wouldn't care. Just make it less of a "The Finals WT Emerald badge is now your life."

[sudden pewter]

And NEW TOYS I WANR NEW TOYS

I’d love for them to focus on more QoL, equipment menu needs work

[compact tundra]

Honestly I kinda feel specs are like actually needed

At least one for light and medium, and a rework of some of the weaker ones

[sudden pewter]

Gadgets like mines should tell you how many can exist before they disappear. Nades and such should tell you much much damage they deal

[compact tundra]

Cause its really unfair that not only does heavy have the most, but they are also the only class without a defined meta spec

[sudden pewter]

But yes, a spec would be nice. Although I’d prefer we adjust what we have before adding more

[compact tundra]

Oh god yes, and actual numbers instead of the stupid bars

[compact tundra]

Yea I just feel the specs for each class has been a huge disservice to the game, like all of heavies specs are certainly usable even at higher levels, and I mean all of them, meanwhile medium and light have had 1 good clear spec at a time while the others rot in casual modes only

[sudden pewter]

We don’t have classes, we have archetypes. Final warning, then I get the socks

[compact tundra]

I'm sorry king, I'll do better I swear, please don't use the socks

[sudden pewter]

I don’t mind Heavy having +1 spec, but I do wish Light didn’t have one overly dominant spec. At least now Medium has a choice between healbot and demat. Light has dash, and a more vertical dash (grapple). Cloak isn’t terrible but has issues that should have been addressed ages ago

Still waiting on the melee rework, barricade rework, MGL rework, thermal vision rework.

Melee has been on the docket since S6 if memory serves, and is supposedly high priority

Been playing more of other games since this season was so lackluster, really hope S10 lands with a bang instead of a flop. PB is my favorite gamemode but was hampered for a good chunk of the season with QA oversights and atrocious team balance (among other issues)

I don’t want SBMM to ruin the game but at the same time perhaps it’s something to consider

[stoic garden]

WRONG, we have BODY WEIGHT

why do you think we call that booty HEAVY

[sudden pewter]

Weight for 500 Steve.
Loud Buzzer
🙅‍♂️

[stoic garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856827759179071488/1481801268002291793/EXTREMELY_LOUD_CORRECT_BUZZER_1.mp4?ex=69b4a278&is=69b350f8&hm=2d6370c040d530e7661afc1085cbdae000a44c3dabd834bfad8ed581bf6ef37e&

[stoic garden]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tpCfcY0kj5RCOrRHuT

[slow linden]

It's never coming 😞

[sudden pewter]

Next season bro trust.
season 10
Next season bro trust.
season 11
Next season bro trust.

[analog pewter]

head 2 head is actually roughly even pace with cashout re: WT points
matches go so fast that the lower point gains even out

remember that cashout is essentially 3 matches, not one, and a 2nd place finish is 12 points, which is 4 points per "match", with two of those matches being at minimum ten minutes long
while head 2 head matches can be done in around 5 minutes, so 3 wins in h2h is often faster for point gains than one 2nd place finish in cashout
the only way cashout wins out is if you have a higher than 1/8 win rate in cashout, or something like that anyways. been a minute since i did the math

1/8 isn't unachievable but it's kind of gambling, whereas h2h is easier to be consistent in

[slow linden]

We will be robbed again and again,they'll keep jingling keys,but we will remain malnourished

[blissful mantle]

Please give heavies an anti-material rifle sniper please embark my soul will be yours if you do please

[slow linden]

@sudden pewter stone this man

[blissful mantle]

I get it y'all don't want us turtleing up in a building or something but please we keep getting outraged by everything our guns don't do s*** at that kind of range

[stoic garden]

play lewis, deagles or bfr lol

[sudden pewter]

Lewis and Akimbo’s bro.

[blissful mantle]

Fine Fine I get it but can heavies please at least get a decent movement ability besides the damn ag cube

[dry widget]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-11625313334009911234

[stoic garden]

no lol, you will be smart about your movement and you will be happy

i regard charge and slam as a pretty decent Mobility tool if anything

[slow linden]

Ask for this instead

[stoic garden]

just play m60 dog

[slow linden]

I am a heavy main and I don't want a barret

[blissful mantle]

That works I can imagine that doing some decent structural damage as well

[stoic garden]

minigun overlap will be crazy

[slow linden]

The M2browning is not a light machinegun,it is THE machinegun

[stoic garden]

put the bullets in the mag lil bro

[slow linden]

It would be in the same weapon class as the minigun,it would be wonderful

[blissful mantle]

I can also imagine it having like a charge-up effect not like the minigun spin up where it takes a second to fire fully like it slowly builds up firing faster and faster

[slow linden]

They wanted 50bmg,I offer the original 50bmg

[stoic garden]

btw today i tried some shak50 winch, it's actually insane how easy it is to play

[slow linden]

I'd say it has no charge up but fires slower than minigun,medium range capability,more accurate,insane recoil,more damage,less overall dps

[slow linden]

You see how the parasite is devouring us then,you see why it must be killed

[stoic garden]

indeed...

it's not only easy, it's also very effective

heal beam while requiring no skill doesn't straight up let you remove the unfortunate person caught by your winch from existence

[slow linden]

At least less dps on release,that's what embark will do,it will either be too good on launch or complete donkey ass

[stoic garden]

I'd say they'll balance it out pretty soon either way, we had it with arn and p90 after all, somewhat with minigun getting slight buffs across the board without changing the main weaknesses

[slow linden]

Minigun feels nearly perfect now

[stoic garden]

but I'd say good balancing is more of an edge case for embark at this point, shit either feels overpowered or underpowered most of the time

there's a large disparity between gadget power most importantly

[slow linden]

A few issues I have with it as a user of it but most of them can be overcome with skill,and the rest are personal bias

[stoic garden]

unfortunately there's also an element of rng that will eventually catch you with minigun

[slow linden]

At times,can't use it in ranked typically because if even one person who's competent is using a poke weapon you are very fucked

[stoic garden]

indeed...

[blissful mantle]

Understandable but since it shoots such a large round it does like heavy structural damage

[heady kindle]

Play ks23

[blissful mantle]

I do but the fire rate is abysmal at best I get it it's a pump action but still

[heady kindle]

Play ks23 faster

[slow linden]

That is the goal

[heady kindle]

Nah but its a fun weapon. Only issue I have with it is the janky destruction.

Actual pvp performance is perfect to me

[slow linden]

Heavy needs more destructive weapons and gadgets,I love ks23,but heavy also needs the m2 browning

[chilly granite]

guys I have finally done it

I headshot someone with 148 damage on bow

🙁

7ms longer and I would've killed him and won the game

[grave pumice]

They should buff heavy specifically the desert eagles

[neon barn]

i thought the deagles were fine as they were

[civic rampart]

kriss vector when? 👀

[delicate jasper]

they should buff the FCAR (ITS MY FAV WEAPON)

[warped jetty]

Hit your headies bruddah

[chilly granite]

deags could do with a spread buff on either hipfire or ads, but probably not both

but they're fine

[warped jetty]

Def hip over ads, but yeah they're pretty alright rn

[chilly granite]

they have the problem of just being overshadowed by op-ier guns like shak

Agh I've been awake so long my medicines worn off, so now I can't sleep because it all hurts so bad

[delicate jasper]

vro is off the drugs

[dry widget]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-jarvis-gif-10906314711093285582

[slow linden]

Heavy needs this gun

[heady kindle]

Hell yeah

[cosmic berry]

tratracking dart mediunm pleasee im ouhhghh i lov e tracking dart i love it so much 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺

[kindred gorge]

I swear that KS is just one good nerf away from being in the meta

[shrewd warren]

Rock and Stone?

[slow linden]

🪨&💎

[warped jetty]

Nerf?

[shrewd warren]

Don't you mean buff?

[kindred gorge]

Buff my bad

I’m a little tired, been a long day

[fringe nacelle]

Why is the FAMAS the 'meta' over the AKM and FCAR when it has the lowest damage?

[half swift]

but heavies already have the gren launcher

[kindred gorge]

plays with the poke meta better ig

[slow linden]

Pay attention to the rockets,they follow your crosshair

It'd be a fun weapon

Also the mgl is ass and embark has abandoned it

[heady kindle]

I don't want it in the meta cause then all the gross meta addicts will learn its counters and make me sad ):

[wet musk]

Thermal vision back when

[ebon crystal]

it's only gone for two seasons now xD

[wet musk]

Yee "only" 2 seasons xD

[ebon crystal]

"You don't have to remind a man that he has to repair something all 6 months"

[heady kindle]

Mgl rework when? Promised well over a year ago

[slow linden]

THIS MGL REWORK WAS PROMISED TO ME 3000 YEARS AGO (I'm never getting it)

[alpine sphinx]

best we can do is a 5rpm buff to the p90 and .02 more meters to the damage fall off of the M60

[warped jetty]

Big yahoo holding the mgl hostage

[alpine sphinx]

ideally we need a shift in meta every single season to avoid people getting too accustomed to the "current thing"

[eager wasp]

dagger meta coming soon :)

[alpine sphinx]

who designs shit like kyoto or the church in bernal? long range high ground is such a detriment to this game

[eager wasp]

you wouldn't believe it if i told you

[wet musk]

Isn't that the whole design point 🤔 same with the crane?

[alpine sphinx]

the crane can be disabled by one or two explosives, the flying platforms can also be disabled by a couple, but to break down the high ground of kyoto or bernal and also some cashouts on monacco, you need to literally take down the entire building which you cant do if you are the attacker since by the time you get close enough to use a sledge or something (which will still take like at least 40 seconds to do reasonable damage to a big structure like that) you are either dead or down to 100hp and get rushed

[warped jetty]

The humble mesh shield:

[alpine sphinx]

the humble glitch grenade:

[warped jetty]

I knew you were gonna say that💀

[alpine sphinx]

also mesh shield is a joke, it lasts like 5 seconds max, and those are not enough to get close

[warped jetty]

I mean if you have 3 ppl shooting at it, sure

[alpine sphinx]

haha, is it not true?

[warped jetty]

Mesh > dome atm

[alpine sphinx]

obviously you will have because they are all sitting at the top waiting for people to engage from the open space (which is unavoidable in the named situations)

[wet musk]

Heavy winch it into cover or building. Or the normal option, kill the team on the high ground xD don't blindly try and get cash on low ground.

[alpine sphinx]

how are you supposed to winch it away from the high ground? wtf haha

you cant even get remotely close enough

[warped jetty]

You could maybe fix this with a market around the church at Bernal like on skyway

[alpine sphinx]

and also you cant contest that if you dont bring long range weapons, making all close or mid range weapons essentially useless for final rounds

[alpine sphinx]

yeah, but they still havent and its not like these are new issues

[wet musk]

Bruu your complaining about basic FPS shooter map design xD ofc anyone with high ground and been the defending team has a advantage. I'm just telling you different ways to cope lel

[warped jetty]

As someone who has been hardwalled on Kyoto by a triple light team in the final round I feel your pain

[alpine sphinx]

"basic fps shooters" dont have melee weapons and experimental shit

[warped jetty]

I think they were double sniper too

[warped jetty]

A spawn shuffle could also help, like for Bernal spawning on the left side of church over by the now-permanent jump pad building. Less open space on that side

[pastel wyvern]

sure but finals is still a relatively normal fps shooter
with a ton of wack features

[warped jetty]

Spawning on right side of church over by motel or whatever you call that building is diabolical

Sooo much open space

[pastel wyvern]

use smoke nades or smth

:3

[warped jetty]

Unless your whole team brings them there is way too much ground to cover in that specific scenario on bernal

[alpine sphinx]

ye its evidently a design flaw because the whole highlight (the FINAL) suffers majorly because of it

[alpine sphinx]

lmao smoke nades are completely useless and actually hide you in only like a 2x2 area, which you can just spray into and keep shooting the spot you get hitmarkers in

[warped jetty]

Something that could be interesting is a marvel rivals type ban mechanic, or a ban on double weapons on a team to mandate people branching out when their weapon gets picked

But unfortunately double flame is too much fun and I cant have that taken from me

[pastel wyvern]

bring data reshaper for the smoke barrels aswell
(im not sayin the issue isnt there tho)

[eager wasp]

mesh is meta tho :(

[pastel wyvern]

lowkey would hate this
let me use the stuff i like

[warped jetty]

Reshaped needs waaaay more charges if you want that. Only 2 is criminal when you have to cycle through

[pastel wyvern]

i thought it would let me pick the exact barrel i want before i first used it

kinda sucks but it does force you to be creative instead of spamming red barrels

[warped jetty]

Maybe as an ltm or sum but yeah I wouldn't super like it either, even though I usually don't pick the same thing my teammates pick

[warped jetty]

You'd still have to be strategic/creative with more charges, bc if you REALLY want a certain barrel you're gonna either spend your time looking for the barrel that comes before in the cycle or spend all your charges on getting 1 barrel

So crazy to me that you only get 2 charges

[chilly granite]

https://youtube.com/shorts/aofkHd9R50w?si=K6M6J91zqhta8LJA

Embark would never KEKW

[eager wasp]

for the purpose of not letting you reshape everything in existence

[warped jetty]

Demat != reshape

[chilly granite]

Reshaper is good enough tbh it just needs qol patches

Like reshaper just needs too much tism to ever be popular

[pastel wyvern]

lmao

[warped jetty]

It's nice for the dodgeball achievement thats for sure

[chilly granite]

If you use reshaper on a single barrel it should only use half a charge maybe?

[warped jetty]

Atp just give it 4

[eager wasp]

rip barricades, turrets, aps turrets, literally anything placeable

[chilly granite]

That's what I mean, 4 total charges but use on gadgets is double cost kinda thing

[warped jetty]

Does it reshape barricades? Thats kinda crazy ngl

[chilly granite]

Dude that's why it only has two charges

It breaks poweshift with 3 charges

[warped jetty]

Suddenly it makes more sense lol. I didnt realize it was literally all placeables

[chilly granite]

It even works on dome if you have los to dome spawner, but you gotta be inside of dome to count as having los

[warped jetty]

I'd be down for a double use for placeables and single use for barrels

[chilly granite]

You can reshape dome mid throw before the shield pops too

[warped jetty]

Ive seen someone reshape a rocket mid-air. Ts was crazy

[chilly granite]

4 or 5 charges, with gadgets being double cost and maybe a slightly shorter/longer cool down respectively is probably a happy place

[warped jetty]

Can you reshape a frag

[chilly granite]

You can reshape pyro brother, everything is game if you're good enough

[warped jetty]

Zamn

[chilly granite]

I gotta get someone to help me test if you can reshape arrows later lol

[warped jetty]

What about nades from mgl and cl40

[chilly granite]

I think so, but I'm not sure

[warped jetty]

Imagine someone reshaping the entire mag of a cl40

[chilly granite]

Lol

But anyway, data reshaper is actually crazy good, it's just got the problem of competing for last slot with goo grenade on a class with no natural disengage and two slots it can't give up

[warped jetty]

Sending the nades to the shadow realm

[chilly granite]

And the problem of requiring too much brainpower for normies

[warped jetty]

Yeah unless your team is cracked defibs are a must have

Ive tried it a couple times, it's tricky

[chilly granite]

honestly low key better to skjip defibs and just wipe fast in low tier games

[warped jetty]

Reshaper that is

[chilly granite]

unless your team si cracked, better skip defibs lol

most people grief so hard with defibs stalling for the enemy effectively

[warped jetty]

I've been trying more offensive medium builds recently and I have yet to bite the bullet on pulling out the defibs for like a frag or something

[chilly granite]

defibs don't make a bad team stronger, they makea bad team a lot weaker

[warped jetty]

True

[chilly granite]

if you see how pros use em, they'll pop defibs right in the teamfight, highyl agrressively, to keep tempo up and then get back on gun to try to dps down the enemy, and then the half hp teammate can maybe finish off the enemy when they're back up

they're using the like "my teammate is a frag grenade" not like "I will revive my teammate somewhere safe and we will re-engauge"

but in mid-low games people aren't really awake enough to do that, you defib them infornt on enemies and they will wake up, reload, go to work, come home, then try shooting enemies

when your teammates need such a long time to wake up and get their brain in the game again, defibs tend to be a self grief by burning a lot of time on the box, espeically if that teammate is watching tiktok and doesn't realize revive is coming. A teawmwipe is a lot longer notice lol

and a lot of times in low tier games fights are discombobulated, they're disconnected, spread out, so usually if you trade a teammate, you can just goo wall and slow revive them without being punsihed, and then they're back with all their juice

like, if your fights aren't tight 3v3s with fast enemy pushes on downed allies, you don't need defibs

[alpine sphinx]

the amount of safe res defibs i see is so unreasonably high, and its by people who exclusively play medium too

[chilly granite]

you get both kinds of medium mains#

the ones who only defib where a slow rez would be entirely better, and ones who only defib you in terrible situations where tehy sohuld've just ran away lmao

[warped jetty]

I been self griefing a bit as Ive been tinkering with medium

[alpine sphinx]

its crazy because defi is fundamentally one of the strongest gadgets in the game, and has always been, but some people just use it instead of a normal revive NO MATTER WHAT

[heady kindle]

I play point break and powershift only because I don't subscribe to "slots you can't give up".

Nothing is necessary, everything is free game.

[alpine sphinx]

the streamline into a room full of enemies is also crazy, yeah

[chilly granite]

shit makes me so fkn mad

[alpine sphinx]

like please just remove defib, its so infuriation both when it works and when it doesnt work

[chilly granite]

like, you have full hp, all your resources, please don't sucidie defib your adhd brained grapple bow who fed

[heady kindle]

Actually yes defib is a troll weapon to use on teammates

[chilly granite]

it does not take a lot of intelligence to play smarter than me, don't be like me lmao

[warped jetty]

One time I had a teammate defib me while the other one held me over the edge on Seoul 💔🥀

[alpine sphinx]

dont you get teleported to where the medium was standing then?

[warped jetty]

Nope lmao

[heady kindle]

I get people defib me all the time in point break while im being revived, or having my revives stolen by a medium who wanted more points.

They always do it when others players actually need their help in a fight too like BRO GO AND HELP THAT GUY OR HE'LL DIE

[alpine sphinx]

you do get teleported away from mines quite often, if the statue is mined

[warped jetty]

I was partied up so it wasn't a rando but in that case I fell straight to my death

[chilly granite]

if you play bow point break defense, null is manadatory

there are still mandatory slots in point break/power shift, the math just changes becasue you have

1. more teammates to cover gaps in your loadout

2. different obgjectives so they mandatory slots shift

for example, c4 is (low key) mandatory on heavy for drop in cashout, but is highly skippalble in point break because you likely have a sledgehammer or mgl player on your team for drop and destruction

meanwhile on powershift, barricade, which is unpopular in cashout, is low key mandatory

[heady kindle]

What if we could press a button to opt out of defibs when we die? Have a little marker above our statue for allies to indicate they can't use defib on us?

[alpine sphinx]

i feel like defib needs to fundamentally change, like idk make it use 100 of your hp and transfer it to the other player, or something that people start thinking about when to use it.
Also: Let us damage the fucking hologram to cancel the defib revive so you cant just spam it in a room fight unpunished, it blocks bullets so why not take damage. It having iframes after reviving is also insane

[heady kindle]

I can't hear you over my turret smoke grenade aps zipline cerb medium

[warped jetty]

HUGE influx of silly teammates standing on you ripping defibs multiple times

[chilly granite]

Turret aps is literally the mandatory slots on powershift for mediuim KEKW

it sounds more like you don't like cahsout meta, ratrher than not liking default/mandatory picks

[warped jetty]

Cerb with smoke...?

[heady kindle]

Cerb with smoke

[warped jetty]

That negates a good chunk of damage

[heady kindle]

If smoke still had 3 charges itd be better

[warped jetty]

No burn is allowed in smoke

[chilly granite]

I frames are literally rewquiresd or it would be way too easy to counter defibs and they would instantly be f tier in games above a certain skill level

I assume smoke is for when he's being a bitch and runnning away, not for when he's manning up

[alpine sphinx]

"good chunk" and its like 5

[chilly granite]

15.75/s

[heady kindle]

Thats a shame. But i like my fire gun, and i like smoke for cover.

So i still run both when i want both

Goo may be better, but goo is not as fun imo

[chilly granite]

it only negates damage if you use them both at the same time, and smoke only lasts 9 seconds

[warped jetty]

Pretty sure it helps you get to the kill combo of 2 shot plus melee for medium and 1 shot plus melee for light. You need to hit 7 pellets for burn iirc which can make up for missed pellets

[alpine sphinx]

defib will never be f tier in any skill level because it cuts time standing still not shooting and helping your team. removing iframes would punish bad placement, but youre not supposed to rez in a room with enemies anyways

[warped jetty]

Im imagining him on platform in smoke using cerb

[chilly granite]

yes this would be trolling, i assume hes not that stupid

matter and bow are the smoke spam guns if you wanna fight in smoke like a gigacahd

[warped jetty]

Matter >>>>> DB

Fuh DB

[chilly granite]

DB has too good spread pattern for its damage

matter is just kinda ass except for niche use like spamming smoke

[warped jetty]

Also rip my thermal + smoke combo

[heady kindle]

I don't sit on platform with cerb much. Not a great tactic depending on the map.

Prefer to move around constantly. Gotta go hunting

[warped jetty]

Fair nuff

[heady kindle]

Smoke i use to deal with pyro spam on platform and for emergency revives in risky spots

[warped jetty]

Nahhh matter is goated if you can hit shots

[chilly granite]

respectfully, i can hit shots, the numbers on it are just bad

[heady kindle]

For revive hunting, defib is technically more efficient, but smoke lets you pull off some fun "no mans land" revives. So much more thrilling

[warped jetty]

I can't lol. Thats why I like the bigger mag

[chilly granite]

matter's spread pattern is just as wide as db, but it has less effective damage than the model because the outer two pellets, 11 damage each, are just as wide spread as the db

121 total damage, 99 damage in the center, model has 108 damage/shot

[warped jetty]

Yeah they should pull them in a bit I agree

[chilly granite]

and even teh center spread is bigger than the model by a LOT

like, twice the size of the model spread, so it's really not realistic to hit chunks beyond "in their rectum"

you can't twoshot light beyond about 8.5m, and that's with perfect shot placement

meanwhile db can twoshot light to 12+m

and the model can twoshot light to like 15m

and the rate of fire is not better enough than the db, that the extra shot to kill is unimportant

the rate of fire is 0.71 vs 0.75 and 0.83

meaning that you're like, double the ttk of DB and like 75% extra ttk vs MODEL

meanwhile the repeater is a slug shotgun with 0.77 rate of fire and twoshot light to 35m?

[warped jetty]

Insert "when they hating on your team but they lowk right".gif

[chilly granite]

KS23 is also around 0.83

at least matter is more effective vs heavy because heavy is the size of a wall so you can hit more than two pellets on them

but matter's ttks only work when you quickmelee, which means that it ends up being even closer range than the db, which can hit its peak ttks at around 6m instead of 2m for QM comob

[warped jetty]

Now the KS im a fan of. Thats a fun weapon

[chilly granite]

and QM also griefs the bolt action on the matter

whcih just makes the weapon feel bad

I love the matter but it just has too many problems

its basically non viable without dash to support the quickmelee/cqb you need for acceptable ttks on it, if you try playing with grapple or invis, you're gonna find out just how bad it's ttk is at even 10m

and I fucking promise it's not an aim problem lmao, my favourite heavy weapon is akimbos and light is bow kekw

the bow wihtout QM combos already has a rough ttk, the matter without is unbeliveable

they really need to tighten the inner spread on the matter so that 75damage hits are realistic out to 20m (before accounting for falloff)

like, a tight inner spread of 6 pellets (66 damage) and then you can get an outer pellet to clip a leg or something too

[warped jetty]

Oh yeah Id never dream of running anything but dash with matter. Grapple ain't too bad but dash definitely better

[chilly granite]

model has a tight inner spread of 5 pellets, 60 damage

sh, tight inner spread of 5 pellets, 75 damagte total

matter, tight inner spread of 1 pellet KEKW

realitiscally it's a tight inner spread of 3 pellets vertical

at far enoguh range, it's only actually two pellets because the third will go between legs or over head

which is insanely poor compared to the sh and model

like consider the matters two outer pellets are 22 damage, so 99 damage in the inner pellets, and the consider that the inner spread pattern is effectively the same as the model, for 99 instead of 108 damage, EXCEPT ITS DOUBLE THE FUCKING SIZE

11meters and you're hitting three pellets on a light LMFAO

model, only missing two pellets KEKW

why is brain - -- - meurte censored on this serVER?

anyway even the most "lights of questionable intelligence" will whoop yo ass if you bring a matter to a gunfight against them, unless you have dash to dodge all their bullets for the 3/4 of a second while you wait for your light's arthritic old man hands to opereate the bolt

I'm pretty sure that I can operate a bolt gun faster than that and I actaully have arthritus irl

matter needs a buff any other opinions are wrong

tyvm for ocming to my ted talk

I took my medicine with just cookies for breakfast? it's probably fine but idk i should get some real food

i'm really tired thoguh idnt wanna move

[slow linden]

Idk it's a dumb prohibition

[alpine sphinx]

bernal and kyoto should be removed

[boreal laurel]

I knew there was something wrong with Matter. I just couldn’t put my finger on it before now. Thanks guys for explaining why it never seems to work for me 😄

[vague spire]

why does my model 1887 (shot gun for medium) not look like youtuber's, mine is bigger and my character holds it with 2 hands, but youtuber's is shorter, and after every round, the gun flips on the trigger finger

[muted condor]

Money

[vague spire]

ah so its a skin

[muted condor]

Yeah

[vague spire]

whats it called

[muted condor]

There’s two that have the short barrels with the spin I believe one of the eclipse shade

If it has a short barrel and no stock it will have the special animation

[vague spire]

thank youu

[eager wasp]

the other is dough wrangler

[neon barn]

yeah this one

btw eclipse shade i think it's the name of the whole bundle, the name of the skin is actually impact warning

[steel kestrel]

Ive been a model user for a long time and still have a laugh with it

[pastel wyvern]

lowkey wish these two werent so friggin expensive

embark please give us a 150 multibuck skin with the same animation that's just a poorly sawed off version of the original skin

call it "needed to improvize" or smth

[muted condor]

That would actually cost more

[kindred gorge]

I don't imagine they'll cheap out on a skin with a custom animation no matter how you swing it

[sudden pewter]

Hoping next season bangs

[kindred gorge]

Indubitably

[chilly stone]

flash bang dispenser specialization that continuously flash bangs all players (enemy and teammate) in a 30 meter radius until destroyed

[muted condor]

This idea is so absolutely dog shit I actually want it added tomorrow

[stoic garden]

this is so ass embark might just hire you

[pastel wyvern]

absolute peak
make it a medium specialization

[analog pewter]

i bought this skin when i started using the model and immediately saw myself performing better with it. so much aura it made me a better gamer

[spice gull]

[grave pumice]

Bro, it’s not even that they just constantly Nerf everything for heavy

[warped jetty]

Im just saying that the gun is made for headshots, like fcar

[grave pumice]

I know that

[compact tundra]

Hey no smoke on you but heavies the best Archetype in the game, and not by a close margin. Like yes they've received a good bit of nerfs over the past 2-3 seasons, but so has everyone, and heavy has always been meta and continues to be the meta defining archetype. They have some of the best weapons only really outdone by light, they have the most health, arguably the best gadgets and certainly the best variety of good gadgets, and by far the best selection of specs, not only having the most but having all of them be viable in their own niches. Like every heavy spec is solid in even top level depending on what you're doing.

[neon barn]

that's cool

[slow linden]

Snuke rpg skin 😭

[trim garnet]

wow thats amazing

[sudden pewter]

Were this my kingdom such behavior would have you in shackles. Keep spam out of here

[grave pumice]

No hate at all. I’m just saying like I want some heavy buffs

[compact tundra]

Well there are things that could use buffs, I want ks-23 reworked to be more close to mid range focused with qm combos and no hipfire penalty, spear and sledge need some love for Gods sake, Idk what the fuck we can do with the mgl to make the mains happy and make it better but there's something there to work on, they need to bring tbe barricade rework back goo planes and all, actually just bring goo planes back in general, or at least goo launchers.

[stoic garden]

i cant think of anything on heavy that should get a buff besides the outliers like mgl and melee lol

[compact tundra]

BRING GOO PLANES BACK, THATS THE HEAVY BUFF WE ALL NEED

[stoic garden]

ks just needs a rework or something

[stoic garden]

i'd prefer barricades clipping through shit than getting goo plane back if i gotta be real

[slow linden]

Just make mgl detonate on hit with a player but still bounce off everything else

[grave pumice]

Valid

[slow linden]

I want both

[compact tundra]

My idea that I'd like to see is

• 110dmg per shot
• hitscan to 5m (just for quality of life, should be projectile past that)
• maybe make the KS-23 pump should be passive, so it can be canceled with mesh and C&S like the SA-12’s barrel rotation
• Remove hipfire spread penalty
  Lower the movement and airborne spread penalty to be just about on par with the medium revolver spread when crouched.
• I think all these buffs to the KS-23 won't overtune it due to its punishing reload and limited mag size. Along with the BFR and D-eagles superior range

[grave pumice]

Yo, get a fucking embark dev here holy cook

[compact tundra]

Blasphemy, you shall be drawn and quartered by the council

[stoic garden]

but to be fair if embark brings back both, with a clippable barricade you could make a private jet more than just a plane, so it could be interesting

[slow linden]

He has a point but I still want gooplane back more

[compact tundra]

So I thought about that but from the mains I talked too they don't want the mgl to be heavies cl-40 and they genuinely like the fact that it has to be played smart

[compact tundra]

Oh 100%, and logically barricade buff is more needed than goo planes, but I love goo planes more

[slow linden]

How about having them stick on impact with a player and still have their dull detonation timer

[sudden pewter]

What about being able to grip a Lights neck betwixt our asscheeks and snapping them with a clench

[slow linden]

Also it sounds like they're content with it staying ass,I'd there's nothing to bounce then off of it's just ass without an actual rework

[compact tundra]

I don't dislike that idea, hell I'm ok with explode on impact, but the mains really like the double bounce requirement and I usually listen to mains when coming up with balance ideas for a weapon, so idk how to rectify this situation and I could think more on it but I don wanna

[compact tundra]

Yea kinda... The only change they really wanted was for it to explode on impact with a shield

[slow linden]

The mains are wrong

[slow linden]

That's kinda dumb,shields should be the only time they just bounce off a player

[compact tundra]

Would love to agree but that's how the devs treated sword mains and look at us now, when we ignore mains we risk taking the fun out of the weapon

[sudden pewter]

Swords identity of being a monkeys favorite tool remains intact.

It still has its insane mobility, lunge is more punishable now though god bless

[slow linden]

Sword is far more annoying now than it ever was,all they needed to do was remove multi hit from it

And instead they turned it into a spam stick and kept multi hit on it

[sudden pewter]

Swinging wildly to hit multiple targets or ensure hits on what would otherwise be misses were the issues. Clamp limits multihit and spin to win

[compact tundra]

So now the way to play is dash and swing, so much more fun to play and fight as all know

[sudden pewter]

Needs iterating. Wild that they reworked the weapon then stopped listening to feedback

Running theme of Embark half assing stuff

[compact tundra]

That's fair, like a much bigger clamp could work ig but id need to see how it feels, but really just remove multi hit and revert the damage, whether we keep some clamp or no is in the air but current state is garbo for fun

But we would need to greatly increase the clamp

[slow linden]

There are no other ways to make it good other than giving them homing after the second bounce or something like that

[sudden pewter]

Exploding on direct impact with a player is all it needs.

[slow linden]

Even if they one tapped heavy,if it can't boom on hit with a player it'd be low A tier at best

[slow linden]

That's what I'm advocating for but apparently the mains "don't want that"

[sudden pewter]

Mains would ofc rather have manual detonation or something that completely negates its weaknesses

[slow linden]

I would like manual det but only if they remove bounces and make them sticky

[sudden pewter]

Hello yes I’m a Minigun main and I’d like it so that every 100 damage I deal I shoot a laser that penetrates cover. My focus is making the gun more powerful not making it more balanced

[slow linden]

That reminds me,kinda wish every third or so bullet from the minigun was a tracer you could change the color of,no bonus damage or effect just drip

Wish you could change flamethrower's fire color too,the trentila pepper flamethrower with green fire would be dope

[knotty escarp]

Hello, What for you is the best Gadgets for Light class?

[compact tundra]

For me

Gateway
Vanish bomb
H+ infuser
BREACH CHARGE
sonar nade
Glitch nade

[knotty escarp]

Thx :3 i gonna try all

[grave pumice]

Not nullifier?

Or breach charge?

[compact tundra]

I mean it's good fair, kinda forgot about it, but like I don't really use it often anymore.

My main loadout is
Gateway
Vanish bomb
Breach charge/H+

[compact tundra]

Na I added breach charge

[grave pumice]

instead of Gateway I would probably run sonar

[compact tundra]

Na gateway is goated if you remember to use it

[grave pumice]

And probably Pyro

[compact tundra]

Gateway is the one I'll never drop

[grave pumice]

I’m gonna start playing it soon

I’m mainly play support medium

[knotty escarp]

can the ennemies use your gateway?

[compact tundra]

Biggest thing new gateway players do to make them drop it is forget to use it. Remember it can move items as well so you can put it over an opening vault to make the vault pop through the gateway when it opens

[compact tundra]

Yes

[shrewd warren]

Yup.

[knotty escarp]

mh okay

[grave pumice]

Yeah

[compact tundra]

Do you often play grapple?

[grave pumice]

Always

I don’t play anything else

[compact tundra]

Aight so gateway has some parallels with grapple for movement. It can work sorta as a mini grapple for getting to the tops of buildings or extending your range.

[grave pumice]

I mean I guess I might play it soon

[compact tundra]

For movement, repositioning, and team support, think of it as a limited grapple your whole team can use

[grave pumice]

I do like the concept of that

[bitter surge]

Don’t buff the ks.. it’s in a very good spot

[near citrus]

rip

[lyric jackal]

can we pretty please just get a touch up of all of the maps? a few more cashout spots, a few more map variations for each map (seriously, if feels like its just a scrapped mechanic) and add all the maps to all the modes (power shift so stale)

oops wrong channel

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071067310766436372/1327328945678450779/caption.gif

[analog pewter]

its already hitscan up to 20 meters, this would be a nerf lol

[compact tundra]

Yes that part is a nerf

[analog pewter]

i see

[compact tundra]

To differentiate it from D-eagles and BFR and to make the longer mid range less reliable

[indigo nexus]

Mmm, I think this may go too far… sounds like it’d be like pre-nerfs model

Having such potent quick melee combos would be a really big boost to its effectiveness, and we’re making it a lot more accurate too?

[gritty latch]

Fix the healing ball glitch please!!!! Im tired of it not spawning when I spawned it and I have to wait til it recognizes that it glitches out before giving it back to me.

[compact tundra]

Thats fair, I could do without the airborne accuracy buff but I think the hipfire is just needed. And the QMs were on purpose to give it strong close range output since it's a shotgun. So it's mid range potential is still good but it's close range is dangerous

But I do get your point with the pre-nerf model, would probably need to test it to see if this would be a problem on heavy or not

[stray smelt]

G11 as a burst weapon for heavy would be cool

[heady kindle]

Does heavy still not have a burst weapon?

I'm thinking and I can't name any

[stray smelt]

nah they haven't given my big boy a burst weapon

[heady kindle]

Pistol for light, ar for medium. Heavy should have a unique burst weapon too.

Not an mg obviously. Maybe a shotgun? I don't know. I'm gonna go research obscure burst fire guns rq

I found nothing but terrible looking prototype shotguns and assault rifles naturally

[broken mulch]

cookie's suggestion that they post every once in a while in game feedback is what ive wanted for a while

[slow linden]

Big ass burst rivet gun that shoots steel rods

Or tungsten

[broken mulch]

i think multihit belongs on the regular swing but theres just no reason for lunge to have multihit

[heady kindle]

A pile of small rocks you throw

[slow linden]

Earth bending

[lavish sparrow]

boomerang would be cool or bolos

bolos for a light gadget like a single person lockbolt

[tidal urchin]

buff one of the med ars..

[floral wigeon]

only one of them?

[lavish sparrow]

any speculation on whats coming next season? Will they added gadgets or weapons any idea?

[broken mulch]

skins

no need to thank me

[slow linden]

But I want new unique weapons : (

[random depot]

Wrong

Ks needs a true ADA

[random depot]

I want new gadgets for medium

[slow linden]

I want an M2browning for heavy

Or this

But M2browning more

[lofty parrot]

Add colt .45 to medium loadout

Add cattle prod to heavy loadout, and give the light nothing, already OP af.

Add instant hs kill to light with any pistol

Or melee weapon

All of this information is backed up by math and science.

$$L_{medium} = {C_{m} \cap W_{ballistic}} \cup {I_{relic}}$$

$$L_{heavy} = f(C_{h}, \text{CC}) \implies {W_{melee} \mid \text{damage} < \text{stun_duration}}$$

[heady kindle]

I have come to appreciate the lack of ads on weapons.

I realised I actually really like seeing the weapon in full as I fire. Theres something about it that just feels good.

I kinda wish the m60 was like that now. Feel like I'm firing a shoulder cannon or smthn.

[heady kindle]

I think it just needs a very very small aoe for arena damage to help with janky destruction and double walls.

No aoe player damage tho. Only aoe arena destruction. A very small radius.

Basically just qol.

[terse bramble]

i need semi auto shotgun for medium

[wet musk]

Can we get an AA-12 shotgun Skin for the Shak. Considering that's basically what it is

[rigid jetty]

Why do you need a shotgun skin if it's an assault rifle?

[wet musk]

Well, it feels more like a auto shotgun to me. It's range damage isn't amazing but can hip fire close range really well. It's fire rate also goes well with the AA-12. Idk just an idea, I just like skins that change the gun completely, not just a million colour variations

[heady kindle]

I like skins that change the shape but leave it as a gun. For instance:

• M60 rambo skin from s4 bp (replaces the fugly bipod with a cool grip)
• that p90 skin with the long barrel
• the green model skin with a short barrel (i think it was in last seasons bp maybe?)
• that akm skin with no stock (honestly might be hallucinating that one, let me know if its real lol)

Basically just attachment changes

But its surprisingly satisfying depending on your tastes

[meager prism]

Do embark ever check this part of their discord on nah?

Asking cuz as a heavy main I definetly want fists as a new "weapon". M1 as regular punches, if held then a larger hit. M2 as a grab: if you grab an object you can throw it really hard (1.5x-2x more), and you can also grab enemy players who then will be thrown in 1 second after being grabbed (also breaking trough walls as they fly away). And you can punch trough walls and floors in like 3 punches.

[wet musk]

they probably do, but unless your a youtuber/ streamer or known for been a high rank player/ esports. I doubt they even pay attention to half the communities input. Like, if I spammed in here each day asking "when are they going to fix thermal vision" Its highly unlikely they will do anything or even notice it.

[meager prism]

well there was a time that me and a few other people here predicted the weapons and spec for season 3. So its likely they either listened or we just completely knew before them

[indigo nexus]

They’ve never indicated that they do

Which is nice because otherwise this place would end up victim of those copy paste walls…

[indigo nexus]

You predicted they’d add a spear, swords and a bow in spite of the weapons up until that point being nothing like that?

It would seem extremely unlikely for them to not have planned that out since before the game launched though, and the idea that they’d just copy people’s ideas for content like that seems incredibly dubious

[meager prism]

No like we literally talked about what weapons could come to season 3 such as the bow, winch claw and the spear

I mean knowing that its gonna be an asia themed season it wasn't that hard to guess

[indigo nexus]

I can find that you considered medium having a throwable spear, and someone considered a kusarigama weapon which had a primary attack which pulled people in, which I guess is relatively lucky

but there's pretty much zero possibility that embark based their content on that :p

[meager prism]

I don't recall ever talking about medium having a spear

[indigo nexus]

you talked about it twice, saying that it would be for medium

[meager prism]

sure and you scrolled back that much or what?

[indigo nexus]

discord has a search functionality

[meager prism]

okay I guess. atleast you now know about what we talked about

[wet musk]

I told my friend they would never add a mini gun for heavy... meanwhile

[compact tundra]

Bro is like 5 seasons late to the party

[stoic garden]

3 seasons

[meager prism]

Think we all did

[compact tundra]

Na me and my buddy were like we gotta get one eventually, and when they dropped the trailer it was the hypest shit ever, that might be the peak of our hype for the game maybe only besides awaiting the beta cause we were apex and Titanfall refugees

[indigo nexus]

I wasn't expecting one but I don't believe I ever expressed a thought about how likely it was

[compact tundra]

That's fair, we were just like "yea they gotta add a minigun eventually, it's just too good an idea to leave on the table" and boy did they deliver, that shit was and still is really fun and decently balanced

And minigun + flamethrower is still my favorite combo In the game. I'll run mesh flame and my buddy will run winch mini and we'll just raw dps a whole lobby. He winches for me and I mesh for him, true combo type shit

[lofty parrot]

My math IS science AND technoligy, everything Ibwrote WAS correct.

[compact tundra]

No

[indigo nexus]

I wish my math was science and technology

[sudden pewter]

My waves are battles and my battles are the waves

[random depot]

The issue is that the KS unlike literally any other shotgun does not have a true ADS. Its just a really really clunky design flaw for a game this fast paced for a gun promoting creativity to be that bad at anything other than being a stationary char

[sudden pewter]

I don’t even care that the ADS is funky I’m pissed that it’s the only shotgun in the game with a hipfire penalty, and ofc it’s the shotgun most reliant on accuracy

[delicate jasper]

They should buff the FCAR for season 10 ( FCAR is my fav gun btw NO BIAS)

[analog pewter]

you get annoyed at people calling the classes "classes" but you still act like the KS-23 should be treated as a shotgun when it's functionally a rifle HRMMMMMMMM

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[sudden pewter]

It is a shotgun, the only shotgun with an exception from the no hipfire penalty of all the other shotguns. While simultaneously the shotgun most reliant on accuracy

[analog pewter]

it's not a shotgun. it fires one bullet. not a spread of them. it's a rifle

it only looks like a shotgun, it has nothing mechanically in common with shotguns

[glad cliff]

ladies ladies please on at a time

[analog pewter]

it shares more mechanics with the sniper rifle than with the model 1887

[sudden pewter]

It’s a shotgun. It is classified as a shotgun in the game

It progresses shotgun challenges

[delicate jasper]

its a shotgun that shoots slugs

[sudden pewter]

AR’s are just SMG’s with more range. Such is the logic being used here

[wet musk]

yes and the Shak is a rifle which shoots two "bullets" at once, and is un-accurate at long range but does heavy damage at close range, especially if you hit all "bullets"

buts its not a shotgun

[glad cliff]

yeah exactly

[analog pewter]

ARs and SMGs are mechanically not very distinct yeah

[wet musk]

So giving it a shotgun skin would make zero sense

[glad cliff]

giving an ak a shoe skin would make zero sense too

[sudden pewter]

Yet they are distinct enough to warrant different classifications

[supple slate]

SMG‘s and AR‘s are both basically the same. It’s just the mechanics of it are difference since one shoots a smaller cartridge and one shoots a bigger cartridge

[sudden pewter]

Wild concept

Next you’ll tell me one tends to fire faster!

[analog pewter]

the only thing the KS has in common with shotguns is that it cant headshot lol

[wet musk]

omg, its like every gun is the same, but some have longer barrels, some have shorter, and different caliber sizes determine the guns class

[muted condor]

Technically the caliber doesn’t actually matter

[wet musk]

facts tho

[supple slate]

You do make a pretty solid argument

[sudden pewter]

Common Snale W

[muted condor]

Can’t stop getting em

[sudden pewter]

Blame Embark. They made a shotgun different from the other shotguns. That’s exempt from rules other shotguns have. That progresses shotgun challenges.

My massive fucking brain that claps as it bounces around my skull because it’s so caked up could recognize it’s still a shotgun. But I understand the confusion

[muted condor]

That’s why they should remove it from the game

[sudden pewter]

The KS23 is mid af but I love it. It’s different and that’s all I need it to be

[chilly stone]

specialization that places a box that summons 1-3 training bots

[wet musk]

or one for light, that places a body double as a distraction, would be funny

[indigo nexus]

add summoner class!!

[sudden pewter]

Add (thing from other game that wouldn’t remotely fit)!!

Also sniper rifle for heavy capable of OHKing Lights and Medium!

[wet musk]

Tell me medium Healing beaming heavy with minigun doesn't remind you of another game xD (TF2) now as a game dev, lets try and think of a idea that hasn't been done by another game

[muted condor]

Man this guy needs to be on the design team

[wet musk]

lets add a feature, were if you get a kill streak you get special perks as a reward

[sudden pewter]

Can’t relate sorry

[rustic torrent]

So, what if specializations had 2 varient? Like if heal beam could attach to multiple people but heals way less, or if dash had 2 charges but thrust you much harder in that direction, or if goo gun could shoot in a shotgun like pattern with three shots but it shoots slower and has only 8 shots. Idk something to spice up specialization and push the game a little more into that hero builder mindset

Idk

[radiant orbit]

ooh I like that idea a lot, brings lots of interesting ideas to mind.

Dash could get a single longer reaching amiable dash instead of 3 short horizontal ones. Turret could get mini turrets blanketing a wider area but killing much slower and breaking faster. Winch could get a placeable remote control tow line for funky cashout defense set ups.

This’d also make new variants easier to throw into a new season since dev time would (theoretically) be much shorter than putting together a whole new weapon or gadget with animations and skins etc etc etc.

[rustic torrent]

First Light and Medium need their 4th specializations though

And Imo, absolutely the hottest take I have, probably not a great idea, any barrel on the map should have its equivalent grenade be a universal grenade, and that includes glitch barrels and grenades.

[rustic torrent]

Or the turret can be upgraded like Engineer from TF2. Starts out super weak as a p90 but after beating it with the totally legally distinct not wrench, it upgrades too the fcar like it is now, and level three could be the M60.

And how you get scrap is the turret pad you have can deconstruct barrels and interactables around the map

[sudden pewter]

Tourist type beat

[rustic torrent]

Huh

[rustic torrent]

What you on about

[sudden pewter]

Yellow Role suggestion

It’s ass is what I’m saying. TF2 turret has no business in The Finals

[rustic torrent]

Tf2 is probably the only reason the turret is in the finals my guy

Cringe that you are just being negative tho, silver behavior

[sudden pewter]

My bad, I forgot TF2 invented turrets.

[rustic torrent]

Yeah it kinda did single handedly do that

Unless you want to include like, Tribes 2, but you probably dont know what that is, son.

[sudden pewter]

This is why yellows are subhuman.

We all have bad ideas, it happens. But someone disagreeing with you isn’t negative, it’s a chance to reevaluate or think more critically. Throwing shit like an ape is #💥┇spawn-point or #⚡┇the-finals-chat behavior and I suggest you return there.

Do you know what the primary purpose of a TF2 sentry is on a macro level?
||It’s to slow the game down||
This works in TF2 because it slows steamrolls, and the maps are all linear. A soldier can’t dig a trench through dustbowl to bypass it with a shovel, all sightlines can be accounted for and any avenue of approach covered.

The Finals is not linear.

[rustic torrent]

Bait used to be believable

Silver ego over here

[shrewd pendant]

The sword is to powerful rn

[sudden pewter]

Literally this.
No thoughts, just “well it works in other game so it must work in the finals” and no deeper reasoning.

[rustic torrent]

Yeah not even remotely close.

Bait used to be believable

[shrewd pendant]

Ok stronheim

[rustic torrent]

German engineering is the greatest in the world, didnt you know?

[shrewd pendant]

That German and his honor

[slow linden]

Just reply to them with this image

[sudden pewter]

Not worth the time. He clearly isn’t here for an actual discussion, just passing through

[rustic torrent]

Lmao

[slow linden]

True enough

[rustic torrent]

You werent discussing anything you were just being an ass, and I dont got time for allat

You dont start a discussion by demeaning someone lol

[slow linden]

A barret is a bad idea for heavy,unless you planned on making it like the pike,even then poke on heavy is bad and a barret that does 50 damage is very unsatisfying,give it to medium,heavy doesn't need it

Heavy needs the original 50bmg, a gun that is still in service to this day ever since the first world war

[rustic torrent]

I'm down with this.

Gimme big sniper, I want Lights to fear me

[shrewd pendant]

We need an uzi or tommy gun

[rustic torrent]

I can see medium getting a Typewriter, but I feel like Mac 11 kinda fills the uzi slot.

[slow linden]

It's not a sniper,it's a heavy machinegun

[rustic torrent]

The barret....

[sullen bear]

10mm semi pistol for medium?

[slow linden]

Typewriter with big drum fits heavy better

[rustic torrent]

Heavy already has multiple large capacity weapons

[slow linden]

It's an smg,one that fits heavy

[rustic torrent]

I was just saying that if you were looking at it from that angle

[sudden pewter]

Not sure any SMG could compete with the Shak

Not without some gimmick that sets it apart anyhow. Shak shreds but requires accuracy

[sullen bear]

https://www.smith-wesson.com/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn11.bigcommerce.com%2Fs-c7gr8wg3cg%2Fproducts%2F956%2Fimages%2F3892%2F13915-mp-OnWhite-3Q-Right__75824.1741878750.1280.1280.png%3Fc%3D1&w=3840&q=90

[compact tundra]

It's a cool idea but I feel like it'd either end up as a worse P90 or a better pike, either of which don't seem to warrant a new weapon

[slow linden]

Thomson could be hipfire only and have a weird mechanic bound to the aim button

[sullen bear]

I’d say lowish damage but little distance fall-off, and the fastest reload on medium… would that work?

And ofc semi auto

[slow linden]

Like an alternative attack,not even with the weapon maybe you just throw a brick with the hand you're not holding it with lmao

[rustic torrent]

Honestly, a regular pistol for medium... I feel like it would just be V9S but medium.

[glass timber]

blowpipe for light with different darts would be cool

[sullen bear]

That’s exactly what I want 😭 just with a very quick reload

[rustic torrent]

Then again I guess Titan is just harder hitting 357 so it would really be that bad...

[sullen bear]

Yes, the 3 classes have shared weapon types, except medium doesn’t have a fast semi auto

[rustic torrent]

Ik what you mean, but tbf the revolver is pretty damn quick

But ik what you mean

[sullen bear]

Yeah I just like the feel of v9s

[slow linden]

I would actually fuck with this,a gimmick weapon that the gimmick is alternative ammo types would be dope

[rustic torrent]

👀

[glass timber]

ikr i love gimick weapons

[rustic torrent]

Most melee are gimmicks anyway

[sullen bear]

Until the s10 spear rework

[glass timber]

eh sword is cut and dry

[rustic torrent]

Was literally typing that out lmao

Aside from sword, all the other ones are gimmicks or have them

[glass timber]

dual blades is mad annoying to go against

[rustic torrent]

Can be, but just pull out the gl's, frags and aoe stuff and they arent a problem

[glass timber]

yea

[slow linden]

Sword used to take skill,and instead of taking multihit off of it and fixing it they made it way shittier,made it easier to use and kept multi hit on it and it's just way more annoying now

[glass timber]

they also deal too much damage

[rustic torrent]

Sword?? Skill?? In the same sentence? Mods, ban this guy

[slow linden]

It's not the damage,used to do more but it was harder to use,now it's just mindless spam weapon

[glass timber]

yea it's annoying having a guy spin around you turning your 350 hp into 0 before you can react

[slow linden]

Old sword if we're not talking sword dash multi hit cheese most definitely,multihit was the problem with old sword and its the only thing they didn't change

[rustic torrent]

Ik, I have mixed feelings with multihit, on one hand you are playing melee so yeah thats really cool, but on the receiving end of that just feels bad