💣┇weapons-gadgets

[white pilot]

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[sudden pewter]

This channel is generally hallowed ground (the unwashed masses rarely come in here)

If there’s ever anything particularly egregious you can always ping a Community Moderator because Embark doesn’t care

[white pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-moderators-oh-mods-mods-admins-admin-gif-8361375805464811691

[sudden pewter]

Hell, white roles ping devs on the daily and generally only get a slap on the wrist

I do it to ask the modeling team about bare feet and I get a warning. Double standard smh…

I miss Gooking

[white pilot]

i just want more skin tight pants

[muted condor]

The mods are aware of us in here but we actually self moderate decently so they leave us alone

[sudden pewter]

You and me both

[white pilot]

do you also put them on women characters?

[muted condor]

They are to busy keeping the troglodytes in general chat in check

[compact tundra]

No, men only

[muted condor]

We put them on the men

[white pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-homelander-gif-16156538903600882075

[muted condor]

Not that there’s a difference between the models outside of heavy

[white pilot]

another reason why i like heavy... Lemmie get it

[muted condor]

Peak

[white pilot]

this is why i like heavy

[compact tundra]

This is why I like heavy

[white pilot]

is it abs and biceps? You and i are kinda like opposite ends of the spectrum

[compact tundra]

Yes... And yea I'm into big buff women and guessing by the build you like em plump. Good choice, tho there isn't a wrong one

[white pilot]

I like soft ladies that could kill me but are nice to cuddle with

[compact tundra]

Based choices all around really

[sudden pewter]

I only have a single female contestant and it’s my CatWife HealBeam Medium

[white pilot]

is uh... that your way of saying you like her???

[sudden pewter]

Yeah sure

I prefer longer hair myself tho

Place your bets ladies & germs:
THE FINAL STORE REFRESH OF FEBRUARY
1.) Chinesium
2.) Cutesy-Pootsy Winter/Spring Fashion for White Women
3.) Yet another recolor of an existing cosmetic set
4.) Texture Swap weapon skin
5.) Actual YumYum Sauce (good stuff)

[compact tundra]

Got $50 on #2 and $100 on #4

[sudden pewter]

I feel like we’ve got another Ming Dynasty Jade skin in store for tomorrow and perhaps another starkly Chinese cosmetic set before we get back to our regularly scheduled programming

[compact tundra]

You're probably right but I feel like at least one of mine will be right, and with the Chinese themed sets we got last update I think we're gonna not get any this update and then we'll get one more social credit boosting skin later in the season

[sudden pewter]

Bro ngl the event skin was so bad I actively avoided playing

I can only tolerate so much mainland Taiwan glazing

[compact tundra]

Fuck that actually had me chuckling

[muted condor]

I gotta say the CCP is putting in work. Every game has some form of Chinese cosmetic/event within the last few months

[compact tundra]

I just found out Nexon is Korean not Chinese. They have a lot of business in China but seems to be mostly south Korean owned and operated

[slow linden]

No shoes option for the female heavies when?

[compact tundra]

Butt booty naked options for male when?

[sudden pewter]

Lemme hear my bare feet plip plapping against the arena floor. With behind the scenes footage of the audio team capturing the noise IRL.

[compact tundra]

Fuck balance, fuck the rfi system, fuck match making, if I don't get this then we will riot

[sudden pewter]

Yeah we gotta address real game issues. Not that fake shit

Also alternate body types for medium/light when? I’d love for my Medium to have larger than A cups

[compact tundra]

I want a voluptuous female medium

A twink male medium

A true flat light female

And a stocky built male light with a beer belly

With this the game would be complete

[sudden pewter]

I’m glad the itty bitty titty committee get representation, truly. But what about the Dangerous D’s? Battle-ready B’s?

[compact tundra]

Fucking glorious statement

[slow linden]

oiled down buff heavy option when?

[compact tundra]

Actually I think there's a dirty body paint that makes your character sweaty

[slow linden]

The classes need more diverse bong krong options fr

[slow linden]

I specifically requested olive oil

Either that or the tears of the balance team

[compact tundra]

MB didn't know we had specific request. Flavor that shit like a fine pasta big dog, you got it

[sudden pewter]

There is

[slow linden]

Douse my shirtless buff heavy in olive oil and reduce his friction so I can go fast,give heavy an oil bomb that makes a target have less friction and take bonus fire damage,less friction could mean heavy could use it for cool movement techs too

[thick holly]

What

[compact tundra]

Bros begging for the oil 😭

[sudden pewter]

I’m not asking for Baldurs Gate level customization I just want my dedicated CatMaid Support Medium to have bigger cans

[slow linden]

I NEED OIL

[sudden pewter]

As a straight man I feel it’s my right as a gamer to ask for bigger breasts in my videogames, nay, my duty to ask for bigger

[slow linden]

We were joking about freaky customization options when a cool gadget idea came to me like the words of a deity to a prophet

[thick holly]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-annoyed-look-at-us-upset-cats-gif-21260477

[slow linden]

Give heavy an oil bomb that makes those hit with the oil have no friction and take bonus fire damage,that's all I ask

[compact tundra]

Also makes reloads 1.5x longer, the gun is slippery

[slow linden]

Could

Not sure if that'd be balanced though

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/563351597317488661/1274466083813982318/catexplodion.gif

Random schpeel but I genuinely hope next season the Melee rework drops alongside Ivada as a first time premier sponsor. They could be introduced as the corp responsible for melee buffs in-universe

Perhaps put against Alfa Acta as a wave of weapon buffs for lackluster options maybeeee?

[slow linden]

God forbid spear not have a hit limit or mgl kaboom players that the grenades touch

[compact tundra]

Careful now if they get too good we'll start having diamonds come in here and complain that they died once so the weapon should be removed

[slow linden]

God forbid flamethrower ignite surfaces again as was always intended for it and why it always feels like it's been missing something since the beta(because it actually is)

[slow linden]

Fuck diamond players on my granny's soul they're worse than bronze players in mentality

[sudden pewter]

Ong I’m 90% certain it’s a child that got boosted. I refuse to believe a functioning adult would act in such a manner

[slow linden]

I hear rumors of cheaters gatekeeping and boosting ruby but not a whole lot about diamond,just mostly kids that get on Adderall and grind to diamond but aren't actually good enough to play the game sober or have the mentality to improve past or counter niche options

Perhaps your theory holds water,but I'm not going to abandon my own any time soon

[compact tundra]

So I will say I kinda disagree here a bit. I also played the beta and the flamethrower in the beta was like hard busted, and even with today's numbers igniting the ground would fuck over the heavy more than the enemy.
I think instead of adding it back to the flames primary fire flamethrower should get an alt fire that shoots a thermite ball that ignites the ground for the cost of 10-15 ammo.

Even if we changed up what the alt fire is I think having the alt fire be the floor igniting device is better

[slow linden]

This would be tolerable,but you're missing the fact that heavy had 450 health in the beta,flamethrower wasn't busted,heavy just had basically infinite health

[sudden pewter]

And RPG OHK Lights like god intended

[slow linden]

As much as I miss this I want rpgs accuracy back more

And it cannot have both

[sudden pewter]

Remove yellow roles

[slow linden]

Overtuned but not broken,it's low skill high reward but not oppressive tbh,it's my dedicated rage pick on medium

[broken mulch]

wha

uncalled for

ig im js takin stray shots

[sand monolith]

Remove @broken mulch

[broken mulch]

i was abt to send a gif but then i realized im a filthy yellow :c

[sand monolith]

Goat

Armored core 7 tomorrow

622 new main character

[broken mulch]

no way

i cant wait for armored core 7

[slow linden]

You lie

[placid slate]

Remove p90 first, evil ass gun

[chilly granite]

@analog pewter black tail added

I mean, it's not got a lot of texture and the bow is kinda ugly lol

[outer crow]

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[alpine sphinx]

my problem, with the P90 is that it gets buffed while already in a very viable state, while you have so many weapons either drowning or gasping for air in the competitive space. I agree with the general philosophy of balancing the weapons that are already in the game, before adding new ones, but embark is not doing that at all, as evidenced by balance changes as we have seen recently. We are in a state where melee weapons have longer ttk than guns (at melee range), have long range poking be the meta for literal ages, and have massive issues with pickrates, but they still chose to do minor almost insignificant buffs to weapons that dont need them.

[slow linden]

He who mains p90 on medium also uses winch on heavy and dash on light

[placid slate]

Bullshit I don't use p90

[slow linden]

You use spear,you are immune to winch's parasitic affect,because they'll never buff spear,so they'll never have a reason to nerf it around winch

[broken mulch]

Why would you subject yourself to spear

[slow linden]

Spear is fun and has very niche situations it can be really strong in but in those situations it also has a big chance of being useless due to bugging out

Also it counters most melee weapons except for maybe sledge

[broken mulch]

oh yea i only js realized if spear had any real usage itd be a worse matchup than flamethrower for sword

[slow linden]

Spin to win

Sword cannot fight spear,only Sledge and flamethrower can kinda fight spear

[indigo nexus]

Flamethrower? It barely has more range and loses the TTK fight

Sledge can fight it well but there are cases where spear wins

[slow linden]

Hense why I said kinda,gooflame pretty much hard counters spear

[slow linden]

If spin gets first hit it usually wins

Provided there are no obstructions to trigger the hit limit (which should honestly be removed)

[indigo nexus]

Honestly I don’t think I’ve ever actually ran into a decent goo flame user as spear :p

but you’re right, it could do

[slow linden]

Most of them(me) are usually hitreg nerfed due to having to play on other servers for the sake of their teammates

I have to shoot into the past and future to goo lock people lmao

[ashen ruin]

Ooof

[sterile meteor]

ooof

[runic vector]

Hear me out FAT MAC sniper rifle for heavy

[kindred gorge]

heavy shouldn't have a sniper, bfr was good enough proof of that

[viscid carbon]

it's fine, they kinda gutted it

[kindred gorge]

It's still good. But the point I mean is having a character who can pop your head from that distance without the downside of having a small health pool and being easy to punish would be nightmarish

[charred ice]

Guys what scopes have glare on them?

Ik the reflector does but are there any others? (And obviously the sniper one)

[viscid carbon]

what's more interesting to me is how the shak has never received any changes despite it being overwhelmingly meta ever since it was introduced

winch shak is one of the most frustrating things to play against and you can basically never win against it

and you cannot 1v1 a shak unless you're using db or something

[kindred gorge]

That's definitely not true. It's strong but easily punishable if they can't kill you in one mag, just prioritize getting cover or weaving like a quarter of the mag and you'll win most of the time

Unless you're light, in which case you shouldn't be slugging out with a heavy face to face anyways

[viscid carbon]

I'm a medium main and this still holds true most of the time

and if they have winch it's just an instant gg

[hardy dust]

Shak itself is more or less fine, winch just makes it genuinely unbearable

Its very strong in 1v1s but has bad sustained damage due to the small mag

[kindred gorge]

winch makes everything unbearable, except melee weapons ironically

[viscid carbon]

that could be why I feel this way about it since you basically never see shak users with anything other than winch

[hardy dust]

Winch just fucks up balance for literally everything

[viscid carbon]

and it just instakills you that clopse up

[kindred gorge]

A weapon performing well in its sweet spot isn't a point of contention

it's a shotgun assualt rifle

[hardy dust]

Its pretty well designed and balanced as is, as long as winch is taken out of the equation. Its solid, has clear strengths and weaknesses and doesn't have much volatility across different skill levels like some other weapons

[viscid carbon]

I guess that's why I find it so frustrating

you never see shak with anything other than winch

why bother getting close to enemies when you can just press Q and land all your shots point blank

[kindred gorge]

I always rock it with my goo gun or mesh shield loadout

[sudden pewter]

It was Chinesium and Texture Swap weapon skin

[viscid carbon]

removes the magazine capacity concern too since you basically don't have to aim, your target is standing still from the stun

[stoic garden]

am i the only person who plays shak (if i ever play it) with mesh...

[sudden pewter]

I use it with Goo or C&S

Obviously it pairs very well with Winch but it’s far from the only option

[broken mulch]

nah def not ive literally never used winch with the shak, i like mesh shield

[stoic garden]

winch needs to die fr

[kindred gorge]

I do it as well, altough I've shifted more into goo gun and usually when I run mesh it's cause I'm running bfr and they pair really well together

[hearty echo]

guys would you say spear is remotely ever viable and what gadgets would you run it with? I’d prolly say I main light nd throwing knives but I enjoy melee heavy and the spear feels like it could be an underrated pick

[kindred gorge]

I think a good nerf for winch would be to give it a wind up similar to defib. Like you gotta hold the button to spin the chain for a second or two and then release to throw it

[kindred gorge]

It has It’s use cases, if you really wanna optimize start looking into when to throw in quick melees and how to emote cancel the spin

Winch flinging is also pretty fun but is more of a gimmick

[indigo nexus]

100% dependant on what level you play at

[kindred gorge]

On the subject of gadgets, goo grenades are pretty essential as they are extremely versatile (approach, retreat, stun, mobility) but other good options are dome shield, barricade, lockbolt, mines/C4, and rpg to finish off runners

If you use winch, focus on defense gadgets for approach and retreat

If you use goo or mesh, you can lean more into lockbolt and rpg

[compact tundra]

This was my idea

Now you hold the spec button to spin the winch one handed having it clank against the ground. While spinning the winch makes a loud chain rattling sound similar to the miniguns rev in volume and it makes a much louder clank sound upon completing each rotation. The rotation takes .3 seconds per spin and gains +5m range each spin up to 15m. Releasing the button early causes the winch to complete its current rotation and then throw so there isn't any dead zoning. The first rotation for 5 meters happens instantly, so just pressing the button automatically throws the winch at 5m to allow close range winch dancing to still be a thing.
So the time will look like

• 0s 5m
• .3s 10m
• .6s 15m
  The winch still gives a stun advantage but only on abilities and guns, so kinda like a mini glitch. Movement for the winch victim has equal stun to the winch heavy.
  The heavy retains 80% movement speed while rotating the winch but gets stunned upon throwing the winch. The winch heavy's sensitivity acts as if ads'd while rotating

[hearty echo]

okay bet, is it possible to emote cancel the spin on console?

[hearty echo]

I’m just casual atm and I imagine it’s only worked for me a few times because people don’t know how it works? I can see it being difficult in high ranks

[compact tundra]

Yes

[hearty echo]

ohh okay awesome, I think I’ve currently got goo gun, lock bolt, rpg and barricades but do you think winch, goo grenade rpg and dome would be viable

[hearty echo]

Sick I needa learn that then

[compact tundra]

Do you use a pro controller?

[kindred gorge]

What I did was switch to the preset where you select gadgets with the d pad because this makes it so you can double tap the up key to emote

And then just fill the emote wheel with sounds and gestures and you should be set

Or not fill necessarily but if you start an actual emote you’ll have to let the whole animation play out so it’s best to remove the possibility

[kindred gorge]

I think so, this is actually very similar to my build iirc. Just try to save the rpg for breaching instead of damage (save for a couple of circumstances like securing the team wipe and avoid firing it point blank at all costs cause it’ll screw you

Both loadouts sounds good, play around with them and make minor tweaks until you find what you like

[compact tundra]

I'll also say goo can fuck you over cause goo counts as a hit towards the spins hit limit, so if you have goo nearby it can cause no regs

[kindred gorge]

Yeah, if you’re on defense def put them in the actual doors instead of surrounding yourself on the box

[kindred gorge]

Could make the argument lock bolt is overkill since goo gun can get the same utility, maybe smoke nades? Helps you win against flamethrower and cerb and keeps your goo structures alive longer

And of course the obvious stealth applications

[compact tundra]

Honestly I'd say keep lockbolt and swap goo gun for winch since goo stun isn't nearly as good on spear as on sledge or flame

[kindred gorge]

Yeah but I’d say the goo gun loadout overall has a lot of defensive lean so putting more into that seems worthwhile

The winch loadout would be my first choice regardless

[indigo nexus]

Then there'd be no issue

[slow linden]

Chinese grenade sniper would be fine

Big slow projectile,mainly punish stubborn campers

[placid slate]

Sledge is way more than kinda, flamer more often than not is a trade due to range advantage

[compact tundra]

Sword can fight spear but I will say it's swords most difficult matchup. The big problem is a lot of swords act like heavies, just runnin in and brawling, which will never beat a spear. But if you act like a light, use hit and run and your heal advantage, spear becomes a patient yet winnable fight

[slow linden]

Sledge's odds of victory are 60%,spears are 50 to 40,equal chances if they play passive as fuck

[compact tundra]

Hell flames a harder matchup then spear if they're both good

[slow linden]

If a melee or shotgun player makes a single mistake against me I goo lock them and light them on fire repeatedly until they die

[compact tundra]

Ok that works for everything but sword, if we're presuming it's a good sword that's a hard challenge cause they are moving at moch 3 and can escape relatively easily

[slow linden]

Also I'm one of the few I know who actively tries to swing my fire around obstacles to get those dastardly corner tickle kills

[slow linden]

You don't need to goo lock light to cripple him,just close up doors and windows to limit his options of escape

[compact tundra]

That's where my one true love comes into play, breach charge baby

[slow linden]

I'll just make another wall,what's 18 more goo?

[empty vortex]

guys

whats a good loadout for the r357 revolver?

[compact tundra]

The spec you find fun

The gadgets you find fun

If you want a meta-ish then

Heal beam or maybe dematty

Goo nade
Jump-pad
Defib

But remember thy must'nt run defib without heal beam

[empty vortex]

demat would be good for breaching and escaping so i think that would be good

[empty vortex]

really? i kinda tend to do that why is it wrong

[alpine ridge]

Virtual Extension skin for cerb when

[compact tundra]

Cause it is lame and your teammates will curse the next 3 generations of your bloodline

[empty vortex]

mm

[placid slate]

Realistically it's the same as normal unless you wanna go full agro then you run demat

Aim training would probably do you better than gadget selection honestly

[empty vortex]

yea i need that more right now lol i dont know how to aim train in this game tho

[slow linden]

It encourages brainless plays and often negatively impacts the people you revive with it,without heal beam the player you defib is pretty much useless for longer than if you would've just hand revived them,due to being half health and glitched,also accounting the print time where they're just an immobile hologram

[sudden pewter]

Defib is fine as a gadget. The issue comes from players misusing it

Just because you can defib doesn’t always mean you should defib.

[red pumice]

This ^

That's usually how I operate whenever I go medium

[muted condor]

Did I smell defib talk

[sudden pewter]

Sorry a good gadget is ruined by dumbasses boo

[muted condor]

Did you just use “good” in the same sentence about defib?

[sudden pewter]

Yes. As a support gadget the defib is great. But it relies on the judgement of the Medium using it

Which seems to be very lacking for many players

[placid slate]

Public execution of the defibrillator march 27th 2027

[muted condor]

There are only a few ways I won’t hate someone for using defib
If they only use it during the last 15 seconds of a cash out, when they need to revive two people, and when my statue is fully behind cover on height advantage of the cash out.
If you take defib without heal beam fuck you im throwing

[broken mulch]

i love heal beam but defib without it is fine

[boreal laurel]

I can’t remember the last time I was the recipient of a “good” defib. Every defib I’ve had in recent history has resulted in me dying in seconds. At this point I would almost always prefer to be hand-rezzed

[broken mulch]

gonna be honest 9/10 of my defibs are good

so i dont really get ur struggles im fine most of the time

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

[broken mulch]

if its a 2v3, u defib and get it back to a 3v3, then u pull ur gun out cause u dont got time to wait around and heal beam

ofc thats not all the time but thats a decent amount of fights

[boreal laurel]

Most of the time it goes:

• Random teammate is in a 1v3 firefight
• Defibs me, then runs for his life
• I’m on an empty mag and in the middle of the whole enemy team
• I die in two seconds

It’s even more egregious in Point Break

[broken mulch]

yea that doesnt happen too often for me
im not saying it never happens but most of the time i dont really have to deal with it

it def does suck whenever im slowly coming back to life and the entire enemy team surrounds me

[muted condor]

Reviving normally gets heavy back into the fight faster than a defib

Defib users are not willing to accept that fact

[sudden pewter]

Sometimes a second gun wins the engagement

[muted condor]

Sometimes*

The problem is people defib every time not on the rare occasion it is needed

[sudden pewter]

Yuh

[rose flicker]

you got some evil mediums in your games man

[slow linden]

I see them too,may they all be put to the pit

[rose flicker]

if anything whenever i play medium id rather stick around and help my teammate get outta there with me at least

[river moat]

Is the cb01 repeater any good

[broken mulch]

faster maybe but with normal revive u gotta pray u dont get found and cant do anything else while reviving

[muted condor]

I don’t care

Fuck off with the defibs in general at this point I’m sick of them

If they got removed from the game tomorrow it would only improve the game

[broken mulch]

medium would lose half its playerbase without defib

defib is important enough to have been worth giving a spec to

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you're-nothing-without-this-true-if-youre-nothing-without-this-true-tony-stark-spiderman-spider-man-gif-10500305582444154427

[broken mulch]

i play medium sometimes, i dont like playing heavy and i usually play sword light

but medium is kinda mid rn as is

[muted condor]

If medium is only played for defib then it shouldn’t be played

[broken mulch]

h+ is way too strong rn

the speed is fine i think but the amount needs a nerf

[muted condor]

Defib is a crutch gadget and should just be turned into a spec and make heal beam a gadget

[faint steppe]

The Infuser should have never been added. Rn it's basically a stronger healing beam because it has zero opportunity cost except for using a gadget slot

[sudden pewter]

It was meta but just went through some nerfs. Still useable but Revolver will likely take its spot in the meta

[faint steppe]

Tbf Revolver has always been a viable pick for some maps and Repeater will most likely also stay viable for some maps.

But personally I hate pretty much every weapon that is balanced around a x2 HS multiplier. It raises the skill ceiling but it also introduces a lot of randomness and it's overall just a balancing nightmare.

[compact tundra]

Na sadly repeaters still s tier, I mean revolver is the best gun in the game theoretically, and it always has been, but shit repeaters still killer, just less busted now

[sudden pewter]

I’m worried we’ll get Pike 2.0 without more grand scale adjustments

[compact tundra]

Honestly what I want is a whole game range nerf, kinda like how ttk got nerfed game wide from season one to about season 5. I think range needs a similar change where good long range is slowly whittled down to like 30-40m max with a few exceptions. Like how ttk was whittled down to around ~1+s with a few exceptions

[sudden pewter]

It’s odd that Light can exist in extremes but nothing else can (at range). Pike & BFR were clearly intended to fill similar niches but don’t anymore because Embark realized the dominance of poke potential

Again, having a design document or communication could have sidestepped this multi season issue entirely

[slow linden]

If you don't like playing all the classes in one way or another I will automatically deem you biased and unfit to comment on balance of any of those classes

[faint steppe]

Imo that's largely due to the fact that they have to balance around the different healthpools.

I honestly think this game would be better if it was balanced around one uniform healthpool and hitbox with specs and gadgets defining your playstyle. Obviously that would have had to be done from the ground up. But I could also be completely wrong.

[sudden pewter]

Specs are what define playstyle per Embark. Gadgets fulfill utilities

[compact tundra]

I think that's kinda unfair, especially when talking balance about certain weapons. I think ignoring weapon specialist is a big reason why sword is the way it is rn. Embark didn't listen or talk to any sword mains and didn't really care about their feedback and what happened. Sword was turned from a high skill but oppressive weapon to a low skill spam weapon that's still oppressive

[sudden pewter]

That’s because sword users are stinky and breathe farts.

[faint steppe]

I know they said that but I can't completely agree considering how potent some gadgets are. Similarly I don't see a playstyle in placing down a turret etc.

And ultimately while that's true it's still within the boundaries of your chosen class. A Light won't suddenly become a frontline tank

[sudden pewter]

Archetype*

And yes, turret needs work.

[broken mulch]

nuhuh ur wrong and stupid

[broken mulch]

i miss s7 sword it was way better

[slow linden]

Weapon specialists are another matter entirely,I refer to those who play everything on a particular class,but almost never play another and yet feel the need to have an opinion on what's best for one class or another, or have nothing but complaints about a given class,there's 3 of them,it's not that hard to welcome variety into your life

[broken mulch]

i never said that, ive played p much every weapon and gadget for at least a match or two

i ended up disliking playing heavy, and i only choose it when i need to balance the team in ranked

[broken mulch]

i like both medium and light

actually i like sword light specifically, otherwise i dont like light all that much

[vale spire]

99% of lights dont know how to play it properly

[broken mulch]

a bit of an exaggeration but fair enough

[vale spire]

Maybe a Lil bit

[slow linden]

It is comparable to preferring beef over potatoes when they are best enjoyed together

[compact tundra]

You could always just play heavy like light, it works pretty well actually

[broken mulch]

yea but you like what you like, i cant force myself to enjoy something

[slow linden]

Even minigun can be a backline menace

[vale spire]

Heavy is a bit to slow for me personally

[broken mulch]

i think heavy is objectively the strongest class rn but i dont think it needs any significant nerfs

[indigo nexus]

To be fair like 90% of lights don’t play it much and from the POV of a fairly good player, most of the remainder wouldn’t play it “properly”

[slow linden]

You haven't tried hard enough,I forced myself to enjoy this game

[broken mulch]

damn i guess i gotta do better

[muted condor]

I hate this game but I still play it

[broken mulch]

dw i love you

[sudden pewter]

Same but I also love the game

[muted condor]

I love playing it but hate the game

[vale spire]

Is arc better rn?(never tried it)

[muted condor]

[sudden pewter]

Arc isn’t even comparable to The Finals. Completely different genre

[vale spire]

Yeah

[sudden pewter]

If it’s interesting then try it, 2h to refund if purchased on Steam

[vale spire]

Ok

[indigo nexus]

In my personal opinion, the finals is a lot more fun and engaging in its raw gameplay, but arc has the better peaks and atmosphere

[muted condor]

ABMM killed all the fun for me. There really isn’t a end game so them removing the stressful interactions of not knowing how anyone could react made it boring

[sudden pewter]

Arc has atmosphere on 11/10 where I need to remind myself The Finals is supposed to be a game show

[vale spire]

Sounds like the finals is better

[broken mulch]

its like comparing pizza and ice cream

[indigo nexus]

ARC retained players much better than the finals so I’d say there’s evidence that in a general sense it isn’t true

[broken mulch]

i mean i guess you can say pizza is better but ice cream is entirely different

[vale spire]

Yeah but same creators

[sudden pewter]

Again the two games are not comparable as both set out to do completely different things

[muted condor]

The Finals feels more and more like a hero shooter and less like a game show for some reason

[broken mulch]

cant say elden ring is better than animal crossing

arc raiders is fun asf tho

i cant imagine the game without proximity chat

[muted condor]

Marathon today so I’m hyped to hop on that

[vale spire]

I have never enjoyed a extractio n shooter before

[slow linden]

Marathon server slam Hasn't showed up on the Microsoft store for me yet

[slow linden]

I used to play a lot of hunt showdown

[muted condor]

Look up “server slam” not marathon

Both PlayStation and Xbox are named that instead for some reason

[slow linden]

Was six star once but only for a week

[vale spire]

I played dmz and Delta Force for a bit it was ass

[sudden pewter]

Arc team isn’t Finals team. Made by the same STUDIO but completely different Devs

[vale spire]

Oh ok mb

[sudden pewter]

Hyped for mid!!!! Stinkyyyyy Doodoo feces!!!!

[muted condor]

You play the finals sit down

[sudden pewter]

Art Theft Bungie Poopoo Stinky UhOh!!!!

[slow linden]

The finals isn't mid it's mangled,arc raiders was kinda mid in my opinion

[sudden pewter]

I will never forgive Bungie for their two greatest sins.

• One Eyed Mask
• Retconning Osiris into being a gay powerbottom

[indigo nexus]

Played a little bit of it so far, god the UI is a visual mess, I appreciate what they tried to do with it artistically, but… wow.

Yet to see much of interest from the gameplay, and it’s weirdly extremely demanding on the CPU. Might be a tech issue on my end but I can barely get 60fps and my processor’s pretty good, bottleneck doesn’t appear to be graphics

[slow linden]

There's like nothing to do

[muted condor]

You can’t kill my hype with your grifting and hate. Escape will make me god

[slow linden]

Like at all,also I'm constantly broke because the only guns I like are the burletta and the torrente

[sudden pewter]

You will be burned by yet another mediocre extraction shooter with a coat of paint or slowly rot and become a paypig akin to a FIFA or Apex player

[muted condor]

Honestly yeah. It’s cool but there’s literally no incentive to do the PvE so if you don’t want to go full murder hobo it’s boring fast

[muted condor]

Good day to be on console

[slow linden]

And when you go murder hobo after the first couple matches the people it puts you with are insufferable whether you won fights or not

[muted condor]

I’m glad other people are obviously enjoying the game but I have no clue how so many people are playing a game with so little content for so long

[slow linden]

They have jobs and it is a decent product by a studio that sort of gives a damn about its playerbase

[muted condor]

Eh, a studio that cared at all would patch game breaking issues and actually ban hackers

That’s another reason I stopped playing

[slow linden]

To be fair I have gotten 3 people banned on the finals,the problem is their anti cheat is made out of chicken bones

[muted condor]

Arc Raiders only temp bans people

[slow linden]

But yea there were a lot of cheaters right when it came out

[muted condor]

They literally just come back a few weeks later and keep hacking with zero consequences

[slow linden]

Lame

Games should start doxing cheaters

[muted condor]

I have to play with cross play off unless I’m playing with my pc friends

[slow linden]

Fair enough

[faint steppe]

As if Bungie has never committed sins greater than that unless you are trolling but your first point is totally valid. These guys are basically the prime examples for horrendous monetization and content delivery. It's always "but the next expansion will definitely fix everything now that Bungie has their backs against the wall". And even worse is their treatment of legacy content

[alpine sphinx]

nerf dash.

[indigo nexus]

This was never true

For a while they seemingly never immediately permabanned people (permabans only for repeated offences), but they undid that decision now

I’d guess it was because they weren’t confident enough in their systems yet

[faint steppe]

I do think a system that doesn't immediately permaban makes sense for pretty much everything but the most blatant offenses

[muted condor]

Yeah my bad they don’t ban anyone ever

[empty vortex]

yo guys two question

whats the difference between the model 1887 and cerb12ga?

whats the difference between ak47 and fcar?

[muted condor]

The 1887 goes plap plap plap plap plap
The cerb goes woosh woosh woosh
And the ak and fcar….
fcar had better range that’s about it

[faint steppe]

Model has more range and more total damage and Cerb has less range and more burst damage.

FCAR has more range and less total damage and works better on long range maps while the AK performs better against multiple opponents and shields albeit both these guns are very similar. If you search for "spreadsheet" on here you can find an excel sheet that gives you detailed information on pretty much every gun making it easier to compare.

[empty vortex]

damn W knowledge dude thanks

[indigo nexus]

AKM has slightly better ttk, better mag size

FCAR has better range, reloads and hipfire

[stoic garden]

akm is a modern and improved version of the ak47 ⚠️

[fair urchin]

Might’ve just thought of a dope new light build weapon! An old time slingshot, like David and Goliath. Would dope if it was like the bow

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-rot-lil-nas-x-mpreg-pregnant-discord-gif-5991367321020313704

[broken mulch]

I’d be happy if they js buffed some weapons

[stone sparrow]

Goo needs a change it should take more fire damage instead of explosive damage and please allow me to goo broken structures again it’s annoying to goo something just for it to break the goo or the goo destroys the structure just fix it

[compact tundra]

Add light shield spec
Mini mesh that's light sized and has 150hp
Thank you

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-ai-kung-fu-martial-arts-gif-13496141724674975731

[compact tundra]

Hear me out, it'd replace dash so it'd honestly be balanced

[broken mulch]

how does replacing dash make it balanced

also u might like grapple sword but i wanna keep dash sword around

[compact tundra]

It's a spec, so instead of mobility or stealth you get a mini riot x mesh shield for light with 150hp. I don't think itd really be broken and it's a different type of survivability which is what light specs are needed to accomplish

[broken mulch]

im alright with a dash nerf

[sudden pewter]

Because Dash cannibalized the singular use case for Grapple while doing everything else better

[compact tundra]

Oh no I meant it replaces dash as in its a spec, not as in were deleting dash

[broken mulch]

ah, that makes more sense

[sudden pewter]

Shame.

[broken mulch]

man grapple js isnt that great, even outside of dash
its not awful (turret) but its just not as good as cloak or dash in most situations

i think its the weakest of the three specs rn, and it could use a buff

[compact tundra]

Eh grapple is good but is kinda like goo gun with less Versatility. In the hands of a specialist it's nasty but to most players it's doo doo

Certainly not like a sleeper pick or anything tho

[broken mulch]

tbh i havent had problems with any of the specs so im prob not the right person to talk to abt nerfing em

even winch during last season didnt feel that bad to play against to me(i hate playing winch tho)

i like dash cause i like pairing it with sword

ik alot of people hate it but ig the people im playing against js arent good enough to make me hate it

[compact tundra]

The only nerf I think dash needs is for the cool down to be longer (maybe like ~8-10s) and for its vertical movement to be limited to like a 30°-40° angle

[broken mulch]

im only in low plat rn so

[broken mulch]

that sounds perfectly fine to me

i think the reason grapple feels worse than cloak or dash alot of the time is that grapple is much harder to use mid fight

decent chance u get beamed if u use it at the wrong time

[compact tundra]

Oh definitely, on guns grapple is a perfect hit and run spec. You fire some shots and then use your grapple as a get out of jail free card. Problem is it's too slow rn so it doesn't do this well. Honestly just making it pull faster might be a solid starting buff since it make it's hit and run usage a lot better

[broken mulch]

pull faster would def help but people at higher ranks could still beam u

[compact tundra]

Yea, grapples weird cause without a rework idk if grapple on its own has enough utility to be viable. Maybe making it faster and much more controllable like titan fall 2's grapple would work better

[trail birch]

i dont think it would make it much better but letting you grapple on to everything like redbarrels and such would be so much fun

[compact tundra]

That used to be a thing and they removed it. You also used to be able to grapple off I think any projectile, like grenades

[trail birch]

do you know why they removed it

[slow linden]

Fun police cried,embark took sand out of the sandbox

[trail birch]

that sucks

i wish Embark had embraced the funny stuff more

[slow linden]

Same thing happened to barricades not long ago,they bugged out and could be placed anywhere,everyone loved it,embark patched it anyway

[trail birch]

yeah i saw that wasnt it because you could fly with them

[slow linden]

Goo plane was balanced and so was barricade plane

[trail birch]

fair enough

plus it is really funny for heavies just fly across the map

[slow linden]

Yea

Required set up and finesse too

[trail birch]

yeah fs

it was also only great for transversing the map and didint affect actual combat that much as far as i remember

[analog pewter]

I understand removing goo planes but removing the nade grapple was so fucked. Way to remove depth and creativity lol

[slow linden]

I refuse to understand the Removal of either,both were huge mistakes on Embarks part

[hardy dust]

Ngl removing nade grapple made way more sense than goo planes

Nade grapple let you rotate across the map stupidly fast without setup

Wish they slightly nerfed it instead of removing it outright tho

And goo planes shouldve just never been touched, there was nothing wrong with them

Grapple is genuinely so mid 😔

[placid slate]

Mfs decided that they wouldn't try and distinguish between objects and player collision so they just went nuclear and set the barricade back to square 1

[slow linden]

Proof that God is dead and embark killed him

[alpine sphinx]

worst decision by embark in recent history for sure

[indigo nexus]

It would have been nice if it just pulled the grenade into you :)

[indigo nexus]

Their ability to float made sense but the propulsion mechanism didn’t

[alpine sphinx]

i think grapple feels amazing to use and a bit too easy to fight against. If they gave it 2 charges (or lower cooldown) or heightened the accelleration it would definitely be good enough

anything to lower dash pickrate tho

[indigo nexus]

Hmmm… two charges could be… a bit much

The amount of movement that would give you could make it really annoying, and the map-crossing ability would go from really good to insanely good

I would be fine with just an acceleration buff

[stoic garden]

acceleration seems like a great buff idea

[sand monolith]

They were both directly linked to server crashes

They only said goo plane messes with pacing because they didn’t want to encourage people to try to find more server crash methods

[alpine sphinx]

Reddit never ceases to amaze when it comes to absolute garbage takes

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1393085421482672138/speechmemified_pasteimage.gif

[compact tundra]

Based opinion, it's a sandbox shooter where they love kicking the sand out, makes no damn sense

[slow linden]

I said that I refuse

[compact tundra]

Na this shit stinky, we've already got the peak next medium weapon. Dual flare guns

[slow linden]

They removed good sand,and I will always be mad about it

[slow linden]

Would actually fuck with this

[fleet kiln]

They should make the musket skin for the cb-01 use the ram rod in empty reloading

[slow linden]

Also give light an M79 thumper

[compact tundra]

I don't remember who originally made the idea but I saved a copy of the doc cause it was a damn good idea
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZXrnG2iqay-H1E1uA5k1-Eg4MaWn85llfBmQnkQ2JPw/edit?usp=drivesdk

[compact tundra]

We all know how much of a missed opportunity that was

[kindred gorge]

They should make a stick gun skin for one of the weapons

[compact tundra]

Revolver & minigun have them

[kindred gorge]

revolver makes sense but minigun?

[compact tundra]

It's a log with a handle

[kindred gorge]

ah I see

[sand monolith]

Good close range on medium AND and extra gimmick with no downside

Do people not understand that having bad close range options is like, mediums only downside

[compact tundra]

P90 smh

[sand monolith]

P90 isn’t a good close range option it’s just okay, it kills very very slightly faster than the ARs for less range

The recent buff was unnecessary tho. It’s still kind of a noob trap weapon in the current meta

[kindred gorge]

cerb

post buff cause it's a beast compared to before

[slow linden]

My beloved

[compact tundra]

It's meta viable, you see a good few mediums running P90 with lewis or BFR heavies in higher ranks

[kindred gorge]

I was seeing people say you needed to let the burn tick on heavies but I feel like I can get plenty of kills if I land almost all the pellets and qm

[slow linden]

It's disgusting when paired with teammates who are also using high rpm automatics

[compact tundra]

It's also good if you're doing a close range healslut build since it forces you to stick to the team and your heavies can cover long range depending on loadout

[kindred gorge]

I'm kinda suprised I don't see more weapon stacking for lights. Heavies and Mediums will occasionally run the same weapon, but I feel like 2 double barrels could be pretty effective

If you coordinate a target and shoot at the same time it would be an instant kill

[slow linden]

Lack of whimsy in the average light player

[kindred gorge]

and you could do it twice in rapid sucession

[compact tundra]

Problem is DB is a trade weapon that's bad against teams and 2 lights are as easy to mow down as 1 heavy so even when stacked they kinda get shredded

[kindred gorge]

Even if the lights die in the process if the get one kill and at minimum put the 2nd teammate on 20 health then a heavy could clean up with ease if he came in from a different angle

[compact tundra]

Problem is getting those kills on coordinated teams

[kindred gorge]

yeah It's very much a meme strategy

[sand monolith]

I mean this is like, casual meta. Not actual meta

[sand monolith]

Yeah its super overtuned now

[kindred gorge]

I don't think so it still takes long enough to unload the mag that an opponent can react or shred you down considerably in the process

It's still losing against an SA, and vs db it would boil down to initative

[slow linden]

Cerbs fine,any more and it'd be overtuned,have a fine time fighting it and using it so it's fine

It's still a shotgun so it sucks on sys horizon

[compact tundra]

No it's actually viable in higher ranks since the range buff, it's a good healslut option and good with HHM comps

[slow linden]

Honestly FUCK sys horizon,worse map than Kyoto with better roof camping even though Kyoto is known for roof camping

[sand monolith]

Cerb isn’t fine lol

Top play is at a truce to just not use it because it’s boring as fuck and would dominate meta

Benefit of a smaller community tbf

[slow linden]

It's a shotgun that shoots fire,it's far from boring

[sand monolith]

It fills mediums only weakness and cannabilizes other class identity, it dumbs down the game and lowers skill requirements. It’s boring despite looking cool

[slow linden]

That's just ego talking,like oh no a weapon that isn't a boring yy tik tok automatic or poke weapon is viable for once,so broken

[slow linden]

Medium has no weakness it's the best class in the game

[kindred gorge]

It's only downside is being a middleman

[sand monolith]

Mediums weakness is supposed to be cqc but embark is full of morons

[knotty steeple]

I mostly play power shift and my loadout is revolver, pyro, jump pad and defib. Really just random bullshit go.

[sand monolith]

And every time medium is actually weak up close, casuals piss and cry because they haven’t learned how to actually play the class

[muted condor]

Medium’s weakness is me

[kindred gorge]

why would that ever be the case, range isn't a factor in class identity and never should be

[slow linden]

And yet mediums automatics can kill most cqc weapons before they can even cycle

[knotty steeple]

Who the hell is thi- oh my god it's snale, the #1 defib hater oh my god all medium mains RUN!

[muted condor]

Surface level game knowledge

[slow linden]

May every defib chaining bully squad and brainless stat padding defib random burn in hell for all eternity

[kindred gorge]

I do it for the contract and that's it

[muted condor]

I’m going to denounce god and go to hell myself so they won’t be able to hide from me there

[sand monolith]

On light?

[sand monolith]

Bro what

[slow linden]

On heavy,most of heavys high damage weapons kill somewhere within 4 shots,and mediums automatics can kill within heavys first two shots

[sand monolith]

Every single heavy cqc weapon beats medium automatics up close

Besides maybe ks? Which is intentional because it’s a burst damage weapon

[muted condor]

Range kinda is a big factor in class balance

There’s a reason the BFR was a really bad idea

[sand monolith]

Yeah range has been part of class identity forever and is a part of class identity in literally every class shooter

[compact tundra]

Na p90 decimates flamethrower and riot/dual can trade if you don't play smart

[sand monolith]

I forgot flamethrower exists because it’s kept terrible on purpose

[slow linden]

Sa12 and Sledge and maybe spear(fix the fucking spear embark it doesn't work)

[sand monolith]

Fcar does not beat sa12 in a ttk trade lol

[compact tundra]

It's not terrible just has a specific playstyle, not that it's good or anything but it's a weapon that heavily relies on you using the brain power you save on the weapon and putting it into your specs and gadgets

[sand monolith]

Why are we lying

[sand monolith]

No it’s just terrible

[slow linden]

Other than that no dice,if the medium doesn't miss a single body shot,not even headshot they can confidently out trade anything that isn't automatic except for maybe a roof camping lh1 or v9s

[compact tundra]

It's really not, you can reliably beat miniguns and SA-12's by playing smart, your aim is way more lax so you have more room to focus on other things

[sand monolith]

https://apesquad.org/gundata

[slow linden]

It's not kept terrible its kept mid,I am a flamethrower main and I know it's better than one would think at first glance

[sand monolith]

I have to stop talking to gold players

[slow linden]

I'm not a data slave I make my own data,my own opinions and my own research,I test every weapon extensively and only my opinion on the things I test matter to me

[sand monolith]

LOL

[slow linden]

You are a slave

[muted condor]

Data sheets are for goobers

[sand monolith]

He’s the one arguing ttk times

[sand monolith]

That he’s wrong about on all of them

[muted condor]

Play game as god intended back in the 2000s

[sand monolith]

“2+2 is 5!!”

“No it’s not here’s centuries of proof that it’s 4”

“I did my own testing… you are a mere slave…”

[slow linden]

I'm not arguing ttk I'm arguing that automatics are less skillful than semis because you can just draw a line at an enemy and kill them

[muted condor]

No YT guides, no wiki, no sheets, just gaining skill by playing and learning from the cracked players you run into

[slow linden]

They are low skill mid reward,while anything else is high skill also mid reward

[sand monolith]

This is not something I’d say if I wasn’t talking about ttk

[slow linden]

You do know fights happen while people are moving right?

[sand monolith]

Dude oh my god gold players aren’t human

[compact tundra]

You don't have proof that flamethrowers terrible you just keep saying it, and he's calling you a meta slave cause you keep regurgitating the same stuff we've heard over and over again about only this hand full of weapons is usable and we everything else is for casual play only. Most weapons can see use in high levels with really only a few exceptions

[slow linden]

It's not just a shooting gallery,you can dodge shots from semis,you cannot reliably dodge automatics

[compact tundra]

And here's part 2 of meta slave opinions, rank means everything and below plat means your stupid

[sand monolith]

Perhaps learn how to follow a conversation before assuming what someone is talking about

[slow linden]

I don't play ranked because my trio is dogshit and refuses to play ranked and I'm not duo or solo queuing ranked

[sand monolith]

You can tell gold players genuinely think they know what they’re talking about

[slow linden]

I'm not even gold lmao I'm unranked you absolute buffoon

[sand monolith]

I’m predicting your rank if you played based on how bad your takes are dw

[slow linden]

You can tell that diamond players are entitled pieces of shit who think they get to decide what other players use

[sand monolith]

Me when I’m entitled for pointing out that, no, medium automatics do not kill faster than heavy cqc weapons

[compact tundra]

Literally said he's a flamethrower main and it's not terrible. The convo switched to flamethrower a while ago

[sand monolith]

My job gives free tuition but I’m not using it. If you’d like, I can book you an English class so you can learn reading comprehension

[slow linden]

My takes are the only right takes I'm arguing automatics are boring and way less skillful than poke and shotguns and melee that's all I said

[muted condor]

This guy thinks rank matters

[sand monolith]

Rank matters if you can’t hit diamond yeah

[slow linden]

Proof that it's the only thing he has

[muted condor]

Rank is a time commitment and not a indicator of skill

[sand monolith]

Yeah, past diamond it is

If you can’t hit diamond to begin with then that’s different

[slow linden]

With an automatic I can just rush down and kill any poke or shotgun easily,with anything else the fights actually have rhythm and are fun and interesting

[muted condor]

I like how people who only care about ranked always say “oh the rank I am and past that are the important ones”

[slow linden]

The only automatics that are fun sometimes are off meta ones or literally just the minigun

[muted condor]

Very convenient

[sand monolith]

It’s kinda just the consensus from ranked players that if you get stuck below diamond you are shit

And it’s true, it’s very easy to reliably hit diamond

If there were more ranks or a better ranked system then it would be different

[slow linden]

It's elitist and it's a big contributing factor to the sandbox being stale,as embark listens to us more than them

[muted condor]

“It’s a consensus from the small pool of people in the same room that anyone not in the room is not worthy of being in the room” ah take

[sand monolith]

Wait the door designed to test your skill means you’re not at a specific skill level if you can’t open it????

[muted condor]

That’s what we call ✨ reddit behavior✨

[sand monolith]

No fucking way….., I’m shaking and crying….. pissing…. Shitting…..

[slow linden]

Most people don't even attempt to reach for the door because ranked in this game is fucking boring and the rewards are shit

[sand monolith]

So what if my ranked winrate is 20%. If I had infinite time I would surely hit diamond!!! I’m just as good as the people who get there in 10 hours with no resistance!!!

[muted condor]

A door that opens at a random time between 10-30 hours if you keep your hand on the handle

[sand monolith]

LOOOL

[muted condor]

Sadly most people have a job and can’t sit at a door for 30 hours

[sand monolith]

Idk I work full time and put 100 hours into mewgenics in 2 weeks

[slow linden]

Desk slave

[sand monolith]

And when I actually played the game I’d hit diamond in a few days while working

[slow linden]

So you're not diamond currently?

Interesting

[sand monolith]

No I’m not playing this season it’s been dogshit

Hence the 100 hours on another game

[muted condor]

Lmao this guy is playing games full time

[slow linden]

Hasn't extensively tested and played against cerb buffs
Calls cerb overpowered and boring
Hasn't even played this season

[muted condor]

That explains his lack of higher brain function bro’s brain is sludge

[slow linden]

You're a tourist

[sand monolith]

Almost like it’s stronger now than at a previous state where it was already dominating meta back in season 6

[muted condor]

This guy is proving my point that he just puts insane hours into games

[slow linden]

It's just not

[muted condor]

Laugh at this man

[sand monolith]

You really enjoy looking at numbers and disagreeing with them

[muted condor]

He doesn’t even know that the cerb has been ass for multiple seasons

[slow linden]

No I enjoy being right because the numbers are hollow and only the gameplay actually matters

[sand monolith]

Dude just because the damage is higher, the range is higher, the fire is more consistent, and the spread is tighter, doesn’t mean it’s better!!!

[fleet imp]

Cerb is bad if you think about it…

[muted condor]

If numbers were all that mattered the dagger would be the best weapon in the game

[sand monolith]

Holy litmus test of being dogshit. Cerberus has been decent since its nerf. It’s been bad into the poke meta but has never actually been bad in a vacuum. Casual players just think it’s bad because it requires a coordinated team instead of brain off running at people

[muted condor]

It’s not great but it is usable

[sand monolith]

Dude please learn to read holy shit

[muted condor]

Naw bro the dagger is the best weapon. The numbers say so

[sand monolith]

God I can’t wait for this game to die

[muted condor]

I wouldn’t expect someone who plays games full time to be able to articulate a full thought tho

[sand monolith]

Casual morons will be like “buhhh I knew this would happen cause of comp players!!!”

[fleet imp]

Smite this game down bruh

[sand monolith]

PLEASEEEE

[muted condor]

Wants the game to die
Continues to interact with it
Average Redditor

I fear he is in full brain rot now

[sand monolith]

Someone’s a little upset

[slow linden]

Damage isn't higher,range is mostly the same,has more spread now because more projectiles,on top of the current balance of other weapons being more prepared to fight cerb this season compared to season 6,also cerb wasn't even overpowered until the last few weeks of that season,the thing that terrorized season 6 was the mp5,your lack of lived experience and dependency on numbers on a screen that don't add up to actually playing the game just means you're wrong

[muted condor]

I mean you obviously but that’s to be expected

[fleet imp]

https://tenor.com/view/judy-hopps-judy-hopps-charlie-kirk-charlie-gif-5498053442313344961

[sand monolith]

Cerberus wasn’t overpowered until the end of season 6? It’s buff to its strongest state was in patch 5.8. Every patch after that until recently has been nerfs.

Gotta love morons man

[slow linden]

Hes upset we're in the most balanced season since like season 2

[sand monolith]

LOL

[fleet imp]

Lmfao

[muted condor]

Sleeping with his 21 rabbit virgins in Agartha 🙏

[sand monolith]

Casuals are not human

[slow linden]

It's an incredibly stale season,but it's balanced

[muted condor]

I mean that’s kinda true

[slow linden]

You lack the commitment to the game to even use that word tourist

[sand monolith]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[kindred gorge]

justice for bronze

[sand monolith]

You’re so committed but apparently have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about? Tourist.

[muted condor]

Anyone under silver is a casual. Past silver is when the skill really comes out 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[muted condor]

This guy is really easy to bait I must admit

[sand monolith]

5.8 was when model was nerfed and Cerberus was mega buffed in the same patch. Saying Cerberus was ever stronger than that is wrong. Especially saying it was stronger at the end of s6 lmfao

[muted condor]

It was way stronger in season 7

[slow linden]

I know more than you because I actually play the game,you're the redditor staring at numbers on a screen and getting mad about them without even playing the season

[sand monolith]

You know more that’s why you’re just factually incorrect

[slow linden]

It's terminal I'm afraid

[sand monolith]

It’s kinda crazy you are in this chat all day and you don’t even know what you’re talking about

That’s like, a little pathetic

[muted condor]

He spent to much time online he can’t differentiate reality anymore

[slow linden]

Numbers are not fact,the game is fact,the game that you haven't been playing is fact

[sand monolith]

But hey man maybe if you keep talking in this chat you’ll pick up some good ideas from people who can actually play the game

[muted condor]

He has reached the insult stage of anger now

Successfully baited

[sand monolith]

“Successfully baited” 😎

[kindred gorge]

The channel to be an inherently a chill place and now it's just people nagging at each other over stuff that doesn't matter

[slow linden]

So not you,got it

[sand monolith]

So when do you think Cerberus was at its strongest?

[muted condor]

It’s usually a funny place that people just talk shit and stay in to escape the troglodytes that are in the general chat. We just like fucking with chronically online people like Trent

[kindred gorge]

I haven't seen bow or solar sausage in a while

[sand monolith]

I like how I haven’t responded to this guy in like 20 minutes and he’s sitting here saying he’s baiting me and fucking with me

[slow linden]

Late season 6 to early season 7 and then they gutted it

[sand monolith]

I’ve been wondering how long he would keep it up for but I’m afraid it’s forever

[slow linden]

Because he did and he is

[sand monolith]

Successfully baited him I guess

[kindred gorge]

I probably need to workshop my spear build

[slow linden]

And so did i

[sand monolith]

Can you explain how it’s stronger in season 6 after being nerfed since 5.8 :-)

[fleet imp]

Heh… guess you could call us the dynamic duo of bait…

[slow linden]

Try it with c&s

[muted condor]

Solar has been in heavy chat and I have no clue what happened to bow user. Maybe pinging the devs caught up to him

[sand monolith]

Heh… yeah… I may be a moron… but I epic baited you…

[fleet imp]

#epicwin

[muted condor]

I’m can feel the salt coming off this guy while he’s trying to act normal

[sand monolith]

It is actually rather sad he sat there for 20 minutes begging for my attention

[slow linden]

Because everything else was generally worse than it that season,everything is much better now

[kindred gorge]

Got taken out back by multiCo for asking to many questions

[fleet imp]

Please speed I neeed this

[slow linden]

Didn't take him for someone to ping the devs,huh

[kindred gorge]

He did it like 10 times a day lol

[muted condor]

Nope he’s still here but he actually stopped talking about the bow for more than 12 hours

[sand monolith]

What got worse in season 6? Light got ARN which is a positive matchup against Cerberus, repeater was added which was also good, and shak was added just a season prior and not nerfed.

[slow linden]

My granny got hit by a bazooka

[sand monolith]

“My opinions kinda blow…”

[muted condor]

Kaboom

[kindred gorge]

went down the whole list and back up again

[muted condor]

He was constantly pinging them with his balance ideas

[fleet imp]

My baiting kinda successful

[slow linden]

Huh,I'm here fairly regularly in the mornings and I didn't see them

[sand monolith]

LOL

Guys… Cerberus is just ok…

[kindred gorge]

dude. move on

[sand monolith]

I’m not talking to you 😭 😭

[muted condor]

It’s to late he’s already to angry to stop talking

[slow linden]

My opinions are backed up by actually playing the game and not staring at a graph for 5 minutes and refusing to play the game

[slow linden]

Dude you lost in the divorce get over it

[sand monolith]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets message

My opinions are correct!!

is wrong

[muted condor]

Yo his wife is free game?!

[slow linden]

No opinions are correct that's why they're called opinions

[kindred gorge]

Does falling while invis make it loud or does it have to be active movement? I'm not sure if I've been shooting myself in the foot with the gateway strat

[muted condor]

Accept my opinions on defib

[slow linden]

His wife was me 😈

[fleet imp]

Yo opinions lowkey wrong idk

[sand monolith]

When your opinions are “Cerberus is actually stronger when it’s statistically weaker” it’s kinda hard for them to be right

[slow linden]

You have no opinions so I'm kinda better than you regardless

[muted condor]

Did you get custody of bowuser?

[sand monolith]

I would pay a billion dollars to see gameplay from him tbh

[muted condor]

I might have some XD

[sand monolith]

I’m, again, not talking to you

[muted condor]

Let me check

[muted condor]

Womp womp I have free speech you can’t stop me

[slow linden]

For free

[sand monolith]

I mean okay

[slow linden]

Yea

[muted condor]

I don’t have any of drywall’s clips

[sand monolith]

You guys will never compare

[muted condor]

My only good clip 😔

[sand monolith]

Oh my god

[fleet imp]

When you arguing with someone and they turn out to be a flamethrower and motion sensor main

[sand monolith]

And a console player

Dude the clip against the deagles heavy that missed half the mag and it was still close

[muted condor]

Console > pc

[sand monolith]

Why do I bother

[muted condor]

Notice how he hasn’t shared his own stats or clips

Very normal sliver pretending to be a diamond player actively

[slow linden]

Probably true

[muted condor]

Silver until proven innocent I say

[slow linden]

If anything could've been carried and caught an ego from it

[muted condor]

See you ask for evidence and they run away

[fleet imp]

Wait what are these clips trying to prove again

[sand monolith]

Ok it’s been 30 minutes of ignoring you I feel bad atp

I’m on my break at work and it ends in 4 minutes but when I get home I’ll post some clips :))))

Byeeee

[muted condor]

I’m getting paid to do it and you replied to me 4 times so that’s a factually incorrect statement

[slow linden]

He asked for clips,I gave,also I suppose they prove that I play the game more than him,he's criticising this seasons balance when he hasn't even played it

[muted condor]

And he never proved he isn’t silver 😔

[fleet imp]

I’m sorry but the clips make it seem like you have 50 hours in the game man

[slow linden]

I play on a 30 dollar wired controller that you cannot change the settings on,I am better than him in any universe

[fleet imp]

I don’t think that proves anything lol

[slow linden]

There is nothing wrong with motion sensors with flamethrower,additionally he called flamethrower unusably shit so if there's anything wrong with using either he's more wrong

[compact tundra]

Don't worry brother i got your back. I got some solid flames as well

[muted condor]

I do like that this dude admitted to playing over seven hours a day for two weeks straight after saying ranked isn’t just a time commitment

Explains a lot about him

[slow linden]

W mans

[compact tundra]

Phhhh. Ranked almost as bad as WT for being a time measure rather than a skill measure. I mean you can go higher in rank through skill alone but it's way harder than just grinding, and still requires decent grinding

[muted condor]

Rip WT

[slow linden]

Office job probably,probably plays at work too lmao the desk slave

[muted condor]

Tbf I spend a lot of time online here at work

[slow linden]

I do blacksmithing and welding for a living but it's more of a very dedicated hobby,do make money off of it,not a whole lot though

[compact tundra]

Woah woah woah, you make shit for buhurt?

[slow linden]

For who?

[compact tundra]

Mediaval combat sports

[slow linden]

I make mainly knives and tools

[compact tundra]

Aw I got excited thinking maybe you sold Dane axes, been meaning to get one tho I gotta build up some money

[slow linden]

Made this huge ugly knife a couple years ago

[sudden pewter]

I’m surrounded by filthy console peasants this channel is dead to me

[compact tundra]

I kinda like it honestly, looks cool

[sudden pewter]

Some of those were so hard to watch as a PC player

[fleet imp]

lmao

[slow linden]

My forge isn't big enough to make anything much larger,it's a shitty 200 dollar propane forge but I have been thinking about building a sizeable charcoal forge

[slow linden]

As someone who plays both,controller does just feel awful to use

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-gif-7114957653964978070

His ass was controller too

[slow linden]

Not a fan of dagger?

[compact tundra]

He hates dagger as much as I hate throwing knives

[fleet imp]

Theres a message below that too man

[sudden pewter]

My hatred for dagger is purely due to the state of the servers and the existence of Dash

[slow linden]

I also dislike throwing knives but I use them so I can't complain

[compact tundra]

Na C4tter actually hates dagger

[slow linden]

Understandable I actually agree here

[fleet imp]

He just posted his reason and it’s like valid dude

[sudden pewter]

I’ve got clips/images to back it up that I’ve posted before

[slow linden]

I was typing that before he said it I refuse to retract any statements

[sudden pewter]

Light literally never left my FoV and I still get “backstabbed” and I hate it’s still in the game so much

At least with the DB I can hand waive it as “He got within its effective range and I wasn’t evasive enough”

[white pilot]

I like that knife

[compact tundra]

Dog me and C4tter been chatting in this channel for over a year now, I know his ass hates dagger, he has a dagger bs clip on standby at all times. Tho yea his point was valid

[sudden pewter]

But with the dagger it’s just a fucking roll of the dice

And anytime it’s brought up 50 Shades of Dumbass roll in here to defend the awful server performance with “ Uhm just hug walls”

[slow linden]

They typically dash inside of you and hit your back mesh through your front because this game has dogshit player collison

[compact tundra]

Don't worry the servers fuck dagger too, I had a clear backstage the other day, going up stairs bro didn't even know I was there, game told me nuh-uh and him and his entire team turned around to show me just how wide my ass can physically spread

[sudden pewter]

Average console player:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1182330475386261536/1434291048297005056/m2-res_1080p_25.mp4?ex=69a2b361&is=69a161e1&hm=cd017dfd75674c70c9f82bdcc379e4e92d2e5189bcfd0f7656cf19ee4f7750bc&

[slow linden]

It's an alright knife I guess,I could be doing better though but I need to build a charcoal forge first

[muted condor]

Forgive me daddy

[sudden pewter]

Also here’s the dagger Schpeel:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182330547234684989/1397081229911785552/kJXz8C18O6bQyrWiq_ZLcTUyDyU8Udwn3h2YsveA3.mp4?ex=69a31f89&is=69a1ce09&hm=0e7c7b10f6648d7c4ad290301223071874fdbad5faf5fa3b32bbd5ff19671353&

[slow linden]

You philandering turncoat

[muted condor]

Gotta keep my surge daddy happy

[sudden pewter]

puts coconut oil on hairy chest
When are we playing ranked

[muted condor]

Today

I need a hard carry to diamond so I can talk shit to Trent later

[sudden pewter]

I wanna get placed into Silver, rage at the machine (my teammates failed the Turing test) and then have a Rocky Montage where I reach Diamond

Then never touch ranked again. Because PB is my lifeblood

[compact tundra]

Based rank climb

[sudden pewter]

On god if I’m not placed into low gold I will chimp out something fierce

[muted condor]

I climbed from bronze to gold 1 a few seasons ago as a solo mini gun

[sudden pewter]

I cannot imagine what playing in a Bronze Lobby is like

[compact tundra]

I did the same with sword in season 6 I think

[muted condor]

The absolute atrocities you see in bronze solo q are beyond human comprehension

[compact tundra]

Causal, 50% smurfs/hard grinders 50% default sens controllers

Actually wait that's gold MB

[sudden pewter]

Unrelated but here’s my beautiful CatMaid Medium

[compact tundra]

How the actual FUCK was that not all S's

[muted condor]

It’s a mix of the sweatiest mfs alive and actual bots with a few unlucky lost souls like me stuck trying to just get out of there

[slow linden]

I play much better by myself but the game isn't fun by myself and playing ranked solo just feels like it defeats the point,I agree though I solo queued bronze a couple seasons ago and didn't even finish my placements because the games and teammates were so miserable

[muted condor]

I got fucked with my placement matches. I had a team mate leave in 6 of them

[sudden pewter]

The problem with hitting Bronze is you’re stuck trying to climb out while it’s permanent denizens grasp your legs to keep you there

[fleet imp]

https://tenor.com/view/cory-spazkid-chatbox-spongebob-crying-bob-marley-gif-2352818607437955553

[slow linden]

Crab simulator

[muted condor]

So many double light team mates knee capping you at every turn

[muted condor]

The man behind the slaughter

[sudden pewter]

I’m dreading ranked specifically because I intend to solo a fair portion of it and I know at times I’ll be fucked by matchmaking and have awful teamates

[compact tundra]

Weirdly enough one of the sweatiest teams I've ever faced was a LLH

[sudden pewter]

I’d love to grab 2 people just to ensure the team is at least communicative

[slow linden]

Or brainless troglodites of randoms deciding to play sniper grapple in ranked and go third party while we have control of cashout 😭⚰️

[muted condor]

It really makes you want to smash your balls in a door when you q up with the same randoms that threw your last match multiple times in a row

[sudden pewter]

They think they’re Sanguine 💔

[slow linden]

Who?

[sudden pewter]

I couldn’t imagine playing ranked for “fun” but I can appreciate someone that’s got the mental fortitude to LIVE in ranked and just play it for the game

I tried QP for the first time in 2 seasons and holy fuck it was awful.

[muted condor]

I have no mental fortitude. I’m just pretty sure I’m a masochist

[sudden pewter]

WT is actually just such a better format it’s ridiculous

[muted condor]

It really is quick cash is extremely flawed and imo is what drives new players away more than anything

[sudden pewter]

I agree. It’s the “baby mode” and its fucking horrendous

[muted condor]

They jump in quick cash thinking it’s the easier casual mode when it’s actually worse than cash out

[compact tundra]

I personally love QC when I need some chaotic fun but it really shouldn't be the default casual experience

[sudden pewter]

Man what’s one of the biggest issues in the vanilla mode third parties let’s make a mode that’s just that

[slow linden]

Generally ranked only fun in most games when you start climbing through gold,like past like gold 2 the matches are actually so fun

[slow linden]

Everything before that is ass though

[muted condor]

Trying to solo q with mini gun is even worse. Randoms don’t know how to play around it

[sudden pewter]

Yeah Minigun needs team support

[slow linden]

That's what I was doing placements with 😭

[compact tundra]

Honestly if you guys wanna ranked queue mini I have a decent dual blades HealSlut

[sudden pewter]

My friend runs dual blades and reflects all fire intended for me it’s so good

[slow linden]

That wouldn't be solo queueing at that point

[sudden pewter]

Since Medium is shorter than Heavy he doesn’t even need to crouch its so stupid

[compact tundra]

I'm stupid and I don't know why I said solo

[lucid cave]

Yes bro, dual blades is tuff

[slow linden]

That would just be playing with someone,which is preferable

[muted condor]

Team mates are over rated

[slow linden]

Someone stole your one and strongest braincell and you need to go get it back lol

[kindred gorge]

I did have an all yellow stat line about a week ago and I’ve been sucking balls ever since

[compact tundra]

Fucking trent and that alkaline guy yesterday, mother fuckers distracted and pick pocketed me of my intelligence

[muted condor]

Internet intelligence vampires. They are real things in telling you

[slow linden]

They erased it then because I don't think they're capable of harboring it

[muted condor]

Oh I do want to play ranked but marathon server slam

[slow linden]

It's funny and kinda sad because Trent used to have such good takes before he became a data slave

[muted condor]

Sold his soul to the sheets

Same thing as bow user 😔

[slow linden]

A Greek tragedy

[muted condor]

If a gamer looks at nothing but numbers he has nothing to apply the numbers to but more numbers

[slow linden]

When in actual practice 2 + 2 can equal 5 just because of how certain matchups play out

But all they look at is big number and say big number strongest

If that were true dagger and minigun would be the meta

[muted condor]

I mean mini gun is the best tho

[slow linden]

Only in our hearts

[muted condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364393963074621564/1428203950078955561/crackbert2joint.gif

[slow linden]

Not bad by a long shot though,also did you know he was fucking defending launch minigun when it came out?

[muted condor]

I was taking a break from the game when it came out so I don’t know anything about that

[slow linden]

"It's not that bad you just gotta aim"

[muted condor]

Didn’t have crazy demo force?

[slow linden]

It had like twice the spread,twice the falloff,didn't do enough destruction damage

[muted condor]

Dang that’s like a C tier weapon at that point

[slow linden]

Shit took 90 to 120 bullets to break a small hole in a wall

It was so bad my name was buff minigun for like two months

[muted condor]

Unrelated look at this sick ass CP77 SS

[slow linden]

Dope

[slow linden]

Look at this sick ass ac6 clips and a goo lock kill with launch minigun

[lofty parrot]

Add elements to goo gernades, add more damage to melee, we need a gas gernade launcher.

Add wall mounted autocannons

[slow linden]

Real

[slow linden]

From the solo bank it event mode on vegas?

[muted condor]

My internet isn’t good enough to load videos rn

[slow linden]

Damn

[muted condor]

Got one to load

MF YOU STOLE MY CORE

[slow linden]

Bro what

I've been using energy weapon builds for years

[muted condor]

Darn I don’t have a screenshot of it but I have a core with an almost identical build and color scheme

[compact tundra]

Ima make an item tier list and see where my picks stand with the council

[lofty parrot]

Add an ice flame thrower, gas flame thrower, we need more elemental anti draconian from elden ring nightreign weapons.

[slow linden]

This is my main build

[slow linden]

Would be cool but wouldn't fit

[muted condor]

I do have my fun pve core tho

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/dillom-rage-dog-angry-dog-gif-17954176246139200797

[muted condor]

Man I need to actually beat the game

[slow linden]

I don't really optimize for pvp I just use what I like,solid core tho

[slow linden]

Missing a few pieces?

[lofty parrot]

I get it, you want to 1v 1 me in cart push,

[sudden pewter]

Powershift? Yeah. $100 ESKROW too

And if you say no you’re bronze or something

[slow linden]

To be fair a gas thrower could work and fit the game,the other shit is absolute lunacy though

[sudden pewter]

How would it be feasibly different from the Flamethrower, or as a gadget the gas grenade

[muted condor]

I never got past Ibis 😂

[lofty parrot]

I don't eat sea food

[sudden pewter]

You will be turned into a marketable plushie and put in a mason jar.

[slow linden]

Would leave gas clouds every time it does 50 damage or something? I dunno could work,would prefer a gas grenade launcher though

[lofty parrot]

Don't threaten me with a good time, #weapon-gadets

[slow linden]

Shit who is that again?

[sudden pewter]

Your niche interest will become mainstream.

[slow linden]

Also what ending are you on?

[lofty parrot]

Nobody wants to mainstrean someone who gets the gas from breathing air...

[muted condor]

The coral core you find in the big open pit in the underground city

[slow linden]

The big flying coral demon thing with the drone wings?

[muted condor]

Yeah, the hot one

[slow linden]

Real

Uhhh you have to beat the game 3 times to get the true ending,every playthrough(ng+) unlocks new missions and endings

[muted condor]

I did beat pre nerf missile boat guy

[slow linden]

Same but I also beat the repeat of that fight that is another guy with even more moves

Speaking of fromsoft games this mf said "wait I need a do over"

[slow linden]

You really gotta beat the game man it's so good

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/armored-core-ac-rubicon-armored-core-gif-27638355

Robots are fucking cool

[slow linden]

Robots are indeed cool

[slow linden]

Look at this crunchy minigun head beam I got in this clip btw

I've been asking for them to put a pilebunker in the finals for so damn long man

Sure it'd basically just be dagger but on heavy but hey

[compact tundra]

Aight boys I made my tier list

It's overly complicated but that's cause tier list can't say a lot and I wanted a tier list style that said most of what I have to say, so here you guys go.

_

(+) Means buff
(-) Means nerf

B(-/+)= balanced, if it has a symbol then means slight tweak nerf/buff would fix it entirely

N= needs a nerf

L= needs a buff

R(+/-)= needs a rework of either buff or nerf

R(=)= it needs a rework stat wise but not strictly buff or nerf

E= underpowered by concept but it's niche is fun and doesn't need to change much

J-#= this weapon is probably in a lower tier but in skilled hands can jump up the tiers significantly. The next letter says the tier they jump to

S(+) tier

• CB-01 Repeater(N)
• ShAK-50(B-)
• SA1216(B-)

S tier

• Lewis gun(B)
• V9s(B-)

S(-) tier

• BFR Titan(B-)
• ARN(B-)
• 93R(B)
• FAMAS(B)
• P90(B-)
• Fcar(B)

A tier

• .50 Akimbo(B-)
• M60(B)
• M11(B-)
• LH1(B)
• M26 MATTER(B)
• XP-54(B+)

B tier

• AKM(R/B+)
• R.357(B)(J-S+)
• Minigun(B🤌)(J-S+)
• Sledge Hammer(B+)
• Riot shield(B🤌)
• KS-23(R+)
• Model(B+)
• SH1900(B)
• Recurve Bow(B)
• Cerb(B+)

C tier

• Dagger(E)(J-S)
• FlameThrower(B+)
• SR-84(E)(J-A)
• Pike(really fuck if I know bro)
• Sword(R=)(J-B)

D tier

• CL-40(Idk bro)(J-B)
• Dual blades(L)
• Throwing Knives (R+)(J-B)
• MGL(E)
• Spear(L)

No F tier, every weapon is usable and can win games so nothing is a straight throw

Didn't spend much time pondering, most picks were first gut instinct

[slow linden]

You,knife hater,watch me dodge this shit,study this I have no idea how they didn't kill me

[compact tundra]

I hate throwing knives for multiple reasons, one of which being they're balanced around bloom and they have a stupid and boring alt fire

[slow linden]

I agree

The alt fire should honestly be a shotgun attack

Would be sick

[slow linden]

Also how are they balanced around bloom?

[patent anchor]

I thought nullifier paused health regen. Is that not true?

[indigo nexus]

I wouldn’t say balanced around bloom but the knives do spread out, further limiting their range

[compact tundra]

Even when ads they still bloom, kinda like the Akimbo's

[compact tundra]

I guess balanced around is a bit strong of wording

[indigo nexus]

I’ve never heard that it does, but I haven’t used it much

[muted condor]

Spear below dagger is wild

[compact tundra]

A skilled dagger is genuinely s tier

[slow linden]

So they're mediocre and only win by luck and spam just like the akimbos?

[compact tundra]

And the base placements were based off of decent skill, so a dagger that can hit dash backstabs decently reliably

[slow linden]

Only if they use dash

[compact tundra]

Well akimbo's are actually a solid option, they have good damage and decent range, with less punishing bloom than the throwing knives

[compact tundra]

It presumed a loadout bout to boost the weapons potential. So like an average dagger on dash is D tier but like a Skilled Dagger main on dash is S tier

[slow linden]

Idk,I hate fighting akimbos,just feels like pike or lh1 but on heavy

[compact tundra]

Basically is, kinda funny how wildly the DMR style weapons vary in viability

[slow linden]

What if I wanna use cloak with dagger

[compact tundra]

Still D tier, probably can jump up to C or maybe B tho with high skill

[slow linden]

God cloak is ass

[muted condor]

Dagger is doodoo

[slow linden]

I have to try my ass off just for sub B tier? Lmao

[compact tundra]

Yea.... Cloak works decent with like sniper or ARN but still grapple and dash are just better unless you have a bunch of sweaty poke players for enemies

[slow linden]

They should've never gutted cloaks visibility or made it loud as fuck

Tf2 cloak gets to be completely silent and invisible unless you get too close

[sudden pewter]

No, just removes the ability to be shot.

[slow linden]

You unblocked me btw, why.

[sudden pewter]

No shit takes in a week. You’re still on the watch list

[slow linden]

I make plenty of controversial takes you're just not seeing them

[compact tundra]

Honestly I'm surprised my takes are seen as good

[slow linden]

Same here most of my takes haven't really changed a whole lot,I've just done more testing to back up more of my opinions

[sudden pewter]

Controversial doesn’t immediately mean bad

Unless it’s a white role saying it, then they go in the wood chipper

[compact tundra]

Speaking of controversial takes how does my tier list look

[sudden pewter]

Haven’t seen it

[slow linden]

In this we agree,even a good idea is bad when a white role shares it

[muted condor]

I only have the best takes

[compact tundra]

@sudden pewter

[sudden pewter]

White roles have ideas with nothing behind them. They could say “Shak is good” and even though that’s objectively true they cannot comprehend why

[slow linden]

As do I

[kindred gorge]

Is this pre or post the round of patches that hit?

[muted condor]

We should remove defib

[slow linden]

We should

[sudden pewter]

Defib will be removed and Mediums will bring smokes.

[compact tundra]

Everything is mostly current tho I didn't keep track of all balance changes this season. So weapons I don't play often might be a bit out of date
A good example is 93R which I know was nerfed but don't know how effective that nerf was so it's S- tier placement is mostly speculation

[muted condor]

I’ll bring spear and prox sensors

[slow linden]

I already main prox sensors so yea

[kindred gorge]

It’s still good at its job, to my feeling. I’d definitely argue that dualies should be higher though

[slow linden]

They're not that good,even flamethrower can still kill in smoke

[sudden pewter]

It’s replacing one cancer for another. Smokes are not good.

[slow linden]

I see a lot more Pyro nades and reshapers on mediums that don't defib

[kindred gorge]

Having a gadget that reduces a specific opponents damage output is peak pettyness

[compact tundra]

I mean they feel nice after the buff but with how inconsistent they can be and their sub-standard way of dealing damage be I don't wanna put them higher

[slow linden]

And he still got folded in the clip lmao

[kindred gorge]

Smokes are more viable in stuff like power shift and point break where you need to defend your goo structures from 17 pyro grenades

[kindred gorge]

Dude that shotgun heavy was sucking balls right there

[slow linden]

My goo structures are built in a way where I want people to start fires,burning goo makes the goo gun a lethal weapon

[kindred gorge]

It looked like ads a few times to even though yall were face to face

I’ve seen someone set up their goo in such a way that it just erased a whole floor of a building from existence

[slow linden]

Was probably the smoke,bro couldn't see me because his gamma is too damn high lmao

[slow linden]

You can breach floors with goo grenades

Ceilings technically

[sudden pewter]

Not sure I would give Minigun the J label. It’s a solid B tier weapon but its effectiveness largely rests on team cohesion and an enemies disrespect to perform well

[analog pewter]

Throwing knives need their mid air inaccuracy removed. They're already a projectile weapon with a weird arc and slow travel, why do they also bloom like a flower patch when you use any mobility

If anything the right click should be inaccurate in the air so it doesn't step on toes with the bow

[sudden pewter]

Nah Throwing Knives need to be even more inaccurate

[analog pewter]

Why the hell

[slow linden]

Idk but these lights were whiffing the fuck out of me from organ harvesting distance with them a couple weeks ago

[analog pewter]

They're genuinely really frustrating to use lol

[slow linden]

To be fair they can be really frustrating for minigun to fight

[analog pewter]

Yeah I mean that's basically one good matchup

[slow linden]

Also most melees

[sudden pewter]

Anything that kills me when I use Minigun must be nerfed immediately, by kings decree

[slow linden]

On God

I don't even care that throwing knives can kill minigun I care that it's basically a hard counter,minigun is practically bolted to the floor so any poke weapon just kinda shafts it with little resistance

[compact tundra]

That's what I mean with the J. It doesn't strictly have to be a skill thing. With a team built around the mini and if the mini is a solid player then that shit can be S Tier, hince the J

[slow linden]

Unless you're doing triple minigun with a rotating mesh pyramid strat

[compact tundra]

I agree, honestly I want them reworked as a whole cause if made good they'd be amazing but if left alone they're bad. I just hate so many things about the throwing knives. But yea the consistent inaccuracy is honestly a non starter for the weapon

[sudden pewter]

Throwing Knives are good atm. One of my favorite Light weapons tbh

[compact tundra]

It's literally a slot machine that either dogs the opponent at incomprehensible speed or feels like your blowing wind at your opponent as a form of attack

[stoic garden]

i decided to hop back on light today, forcing my friend to use ingame vc instead of discord gave me like an extra 5 fps, which apparently was all i needed to match his freak and get his exact same kills

[slow linden]

I don't really play much on light other than throwing knives and db

[compact tundra]

Hey now I saw some sword earlier

[sudden pewter]

Gross

[stoic garden]

though i played a bit of lh1, and arn which requires no skill whatsoever so i got more kills than i otherwise would've

[slow linden]

Was a one off thing that match was horrible I just stunted on that horrible m11 light and that was all

I partake in every weapon really though,just play knives and dB semi regularly

[compact tundra]

I like the shadow clone jutsu we got going on here, kinda funny

[stoic garden]

true

[compact tundra]

Fair, I could tell by the video you don't play it too often

[stoic garden]

guys do i hop on lewis gaming or stick to light, i'll let you choose

[slow linden]

My name is a factual statement,it's only natural that the idea spreads

[compact tundra]

Lewis gaming, with the anti grav and slam

[stoic garden]

nah i got my "spam everything when fight begins and never die till the end" loadout

[compact tundra]

Na bro I think winch is good, just needs a windup

[sudden pewter]

It’s been too quiet, any second now some dumbass is going to come in here with “Guys I thought of a new gadget: The Loredrop!

• Similar to a flashbang it’s a throwable that when looked at forces the player into a QTE where they need to answer lore questions and if done incorrectly kills them instantly”

[stoic garden]

im starting to think embark wont buff melees even if they removed winch

[slow linden]

Also I was using cloak so I have to incur every negative advantage known to man,YOU LITERALLY SEE ME SPOT THE CLOAK SO EASILY TWICE lmao

[sudden pewter]

Next season bro trust

[stoic garden]

i dont like playing melee anyway so im neutral on this

sword players come down my kill feed like the fat capitalist and his faucet anyway