#šŸ’£ā”‡weapons-gadgets

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serene glade
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Don't do it

unkempt moss
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You'll be fine until about high gold. You can run whatever you want. High goldthrough plat you can run whatever you want, but you have to apply yourself. Diamond is when you'll have to start optimizing.

Decent game sense will carry you until plat basically.

sudden pewter
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I suspect my skill is realistically mid plat but Iā€™d love to shoot for Diamond

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Just gotta work on my mental

unkempt moss
sudden pewter
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Real

unkempt moss
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I believe in you, bud.

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I will say one improvement ive seen in the discord since the last time I was active is there seems to be a lot less pp measuring about rank.

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You couldn't have a decent conversation in here without some loser asking what your rank is.

analog pewter
sudden pewter
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Never

unkempt moss
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Losing is just opportunity to improve. Its a blessing.

sudden pewter
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If Iā€™m not placed in diamond itā€™s 100% my teams fault

analog pewter
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I don't think you can place in diamond? Idk not sure

sudden pewter
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It canā€™t be me, itā€™s my teams fault they decided to be the first and second light šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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Why should I have to swap off just because they picked light first šŸ’…

unkempt moss
sudden pewter
analog pewter
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Dang that feels good if true cause I placed gold 2 thesmiler

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I assume you can place higher if you've ranked higher in previous seasons though

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Like they probably weigh it based on past ranked perf

unkempt moss
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Highest ive ever seen someone place is Gold 1 to start. This was the season after our highest rank and I believe we won all of our placements.

analog pewter
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Interesting

unkempt moss
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But, this was several seasons ago so im sure the algorithm was different.

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I believe he was like ~29800. So basically plat 4.

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Im assuming you get accelerated RS gain if you are destroying lobbies after your placements, right? That seems like pretty standard ranked set up.

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Like I remember in Valorant, my brother crushed a lobby immediately after placing and jumped an entire metal.

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I dont really pay attention to how the ranked system in this works since its just our regular mode.

wind folio
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trust me bro

indigo nexus
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However by this definition, a huge majority of players are not ā€œdecentā€

exotic skiff
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This game have the most elo inflated rank ever

slender fiber
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buff akm and charge n slam

quaint shard
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AKM needs 36 bullets not 32

stoic garden
lapis dock
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Hello Embark, since the smoke balances last season. I have to tell you : Upscaling visibility inside of it from 1m to 3m + Downing size + downing his length is a bit too much.

It is not viable anymore for stealth enjoyers like me. It's a cult gadget from every fps that been hated during major, while people don't think how to counter it. (with spotting gadgets or nades to blow the cloud).
It would be nice to roleback the visibility inside the smoke to 1m as this gadget is now smaller in radius and lifetime.
So when you are in a smoke, you cannot be spotted by enemies right outside of it too easily. They got to use their counter gadgets (Heavy always have rpg and c4).

I recommend to take example on CS2 smokes which length 13sec, cancel incendiaries and pure invisible inside of them and it is not an issue since smokes can be blown up and bullets can open a line of vision when shooting in the smoke

whole token
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I hope they bring the barricade update back

muted condor
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Bro doesnā€™t know explodes donā€™t counter as intended

chilly granite
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Respect to a dB gamer I played prox hahaha

proper fiber
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Readychance#0914

chilly granite
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Why were smokes nerfed btw?

indigo nexus
chilly granite
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wtf

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it's not even like they were better than goo before

was anyone even using them outside of thermal vision?

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I basically came back tothe game in season 8.5 and I was trying to use thermal vision and smokes and I kept getting shot because my smoke ran out super soon lmao

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they last 9s and take like, 3 secconds for the smoke cloud to poropogate so right now you get like, 5s of smoke on a 50s cd

muted condor
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They nerfed smoke because of the smoke and thermal load outs but then removed thermal šŸ¤”

compact tundra
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You see balancing is so very hard with all this vacation time we're taking, so we decided it would be best to run a poll in #šŸ‘‚ā”‡game-feedback and let them pick the next nerf for us

chilly granite
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lmao

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dude it's not even like smoke+thermal was actually that strong even

muted condor
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ā€œLetā€™s nerf a gadget but then remove the other gadget making the problem thatā€™s a great ideaā€

chilly granite
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just don't ppeek the long sight line with the suspicously placed smoke

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is that a hard concept??

muted condor
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Naw it was really annoying and almost impossible to counter without also running smoke thermal

chilly granite
compact tundra
serene glade
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the only counter is another thermal player

chilly granite
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and at least in bankit/tdm, smokes+thermal were never meta

muted condor
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You could just smoke the cash out and make it impossible to steal

chilly granite
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Can't youjust goo block the sightlines?

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I mean, I think it's weird that no enviromental variables counter smoke when the rest have a clear couter chain

muted condor
serene glade
chilly granite
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the easiest fix is to just make smoke clearable like gas, goo, pyro

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gas counted by pyro is countered by smoke is countered by ?????

serene glade
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the easiest fix tbh is leaving thermal out of the game no cap frfr

muted condor
compact tundra
chilly granite
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how u feel if i say that about dome shield bitch? šŸ˜„ hahah

serene glade
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good because i dont run it happy_friend

muted condor
chilly granite
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(emojis for tone so you don't think i'm actually being too serious/toxic)

chilly granite
serene glade
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yeah i figured, i think goo grenade, especially for just running off meta weapons is more valuable than dome

muted condor
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Eh, even if it worked smoke and thermal would still be a problem

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They should have just nerfed smoke and not thermal imo

serene glade
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knowing how incompetent embark is i wouldnt put it behind them, but does controller have aim assist in smoke

chilly granite
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but yeah, nerf thermalif you need to, give it outline through smoke so it's a mutal reveal, but smoke is already worse than goo by basically every metric

muted condor
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Itā€™s only really good on spear now

chilly granite
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fire afterburn is super short, and you can see hp bars if you spam smoke, so it's rpetty easy to track a dude in smoe

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so it's not very useful as a defensive tool

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offensively without thermal synergy it's just kinda garbage

serene glade
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theres about 40 different options embark could try or do. but they will choose 0 and you will get finger gun deagles instead

chilly granite
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hahahhahah

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I feel bad for the dev we are bullying wihtout knowing, I'm sure they're trying, and he's probably still got a hangover from christmas holidays

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can we all agree the bow buff was a successful buff that didn't make it op?

serene glade
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nah i dont feel bad. seeing this decline of the game and state of other games they get what they have coming

muted condor
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They need to put more time into taking 3 months to make a single balance change in arc raiders

serene glade
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seeing that youre able to chain snap hooks in arc raiders on top of your teammates to basically fly across an area together is cool and fun. and then we get grapple hook unable to grapple off of grenades and canisters

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FeelsOkayMan šŸ‘

chilly granite
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venator used everywhere, hotfix slap on the wrist

kettle macros, takes 3months

muted condor
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At least they made one change so now people just spam heavy grenades instead of trigger grenades so now you get to live for .75 seconds before betting blown up instead of .5

unkempt moss
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Arigato Alex-san! Saving fighting games!

compact tundra
unkempt moss
muted condor
chilly granite
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as if that wasn't fkn obvious, evne without macro it was still one of the numerically bets weapons inthe game

serene glade
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ALL HAIL ESPORTS, ALL HAIL ESPORTS

unkempt moss
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Bettina is the best weapon in the game and anyone that says other wise can name like 4 finals "pro" players

chilly granite
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embark, not fixing blaantly obvious issues makes people think you don't care and elads to more burnout than just making fake changes that don't do anything

muted condor
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Why spend a hour getting the gear to make a experimental PvE weapon youā€™ll lose to a guy with 15 grenades he made with two scraps and a kettle when you can just do that

unkempt moss
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I love the bad karma self report

serene glade
chilly granite
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also, making the fantasy esports gamemode into a real esport is the susest shit possible

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it's so fucking weird having a fake esport in the real esport

unkempt moss
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Fake esports are good, real esports are bad. It's so simple

muted condor
unkempt moss
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lol the low socialization self report is crazy

chilly granite
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and the spectator experience is assssssss

four teams making two fights hapepning simultaniously and we the viewers can only watch one

muted condor
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They are scary for the first two hours of play time then you find out you can just walk away from them and kill it with two grenades

chilly granite
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and that's ignoring the huge spectator ui issues

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I want to @ an embark guy and ask if they actually watched tgm and thoguht it was a good viewer expeirence but im scared of getting smited by god

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I'm into esports, I have watched so much csgo and dota, and tgm was not good

there was like, one fihgt whre one team doubled it so you actually had all 4 teams in one fight, and that was fun

unkempt moss
chilly granite
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fuck it, make cashout 4 team quickcash with progresion for 1/2

that would be fun to watch

serene glade
unkempt moss
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Esports should be a multimode gauntlet. First team to three wins. You have to choose between all the game modes, including LTMs, once a mode has been chosen it cannot be chosen again.

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Esports teams are required to have 8 players incase pointbreak is chosen.

serene glade
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i also look at the "pro players" as jokes. because to me this games esport can be filled by multiple other games that have way more money and established esports scenes. but they basically choose to play the finals because they arent good enough at those games and then have a God complex over other people in the scene just trying to have fun on the finals.

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doesnt help when people feed into their egos tho that ive seen when they talk in the finals chat, and also here occasionally when people are popping off about going up against pros or killing one

muted condor
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The end game gear is simply bad and worthless. There is no reason to engage in pve besides getting gear for pve thatā€™s already easy without it

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And Abmm made the player interaction boring as well

unkempt moss
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Its a casual game, bud. Its not meant to be a sweat fest. Its like walking in to a 1st grade dodgeball game and crushing them, kids leaving on stretchers, and then complaining when you are forced to play with adults.

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I use the more expensive weapons because its more fun. And I'm pokedexing blue prints. Im not opposed to some stella street sweeper runs of course, but thats a little sweet snack.

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Its not a game that's going to be my life. I hop on for events and trials, do some questing, and give it a break when im done. I'll pick it up when new content comes out.

muted condor
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Embark is just doing everything to make the game stale before the first year passes

muted condor
unkempt moss
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I wonder how much of that is the culture behind videogames as well. Because I see people complain about Monster Hunter in the same way.

muted condor
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Extraction shooters arenā€™t casual for a reason and AR is a example of why

unkempt moss
muted condor
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If you try to make it casual and for everyone it loses what makes an extraction shooter

unkempt moss
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I may be in the minority then, but I hope they focus almost entirely on the PvE aspects moving forward.

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That may also be because I dont get my competitive fix from Arc or shooters in general.

serene glade
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i think the threat of PvE just needs to be buffed to where PvP is extremely difficult but possible

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that way bringing in the high tier gear to clear PvE is faster/more efficiently is enticing if you wanna run PvP

muted condor
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The pve just kinda sucks

unkempt moss
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I just hope all the PvPers get what they want and embark makes it an esport balanced game for them.

muted condor
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The pvp would be fun if there was more than one gun used for it

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Also who ever is making 90% of their skins needs to be fired

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Mfs donā€™t know what normal pants look like

indigo nexus
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It seems like evidence that they'd be better off as more casual, as a whole.

unkempt moss
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I think every genre needs both. For every starcraft needs its pikmin. Every Virtua Fighter needs its Smash Bros.

serene glade
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where is pikmin 5

muted condor
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Not if they keep making horrible decisions repeatedly

indigo nexus
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So it's an example of why extraction shooters shouldn't cater to more casual audiences, because you speculate that it won't work in the long term?

muted condor
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Everything they do drives both sides of the game away

indigo nexus
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it has some of the best player retention I've seen

muted condor
indigo nexus
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I think it's a bit silly to use intuited prediction as an argument for what a game genre should look like.

muted condor
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Once you hit end game thereā€™s nothing to do in AR except PvP

indigo nexus
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I don't see why that relates to the relatively casual appeal

muted condor
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Could be wrong but I donā€™t see it lasting past a few years unless they actually add content for extended game play loops

indigo nexus
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I expect it'll have more of an endgame when it has more content

muted condor
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If

indigo nexus
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no, when

muted condor
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Thatā€™s the big word
If they have more content

indigo nexus
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it's so ludicrously unlikely that they'll just drop their plans and abandon it that it seems silly to bring it up

muted condor
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Right now all they are adding in the next 6 months is one map and a single enemy

indigo nexus
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4 months (closer to 3), and no. You are ignoring the other content..?

muted condor
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Unless it adds more stuff to the map that is different than the other maps it doesnā€™t add any actual replay ability

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Events and stuff are cool but doesnā€™t actually add to the loop unless it comes with more

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The snow even was a small change of pace but didnā€™t actually add anything new

indigo nexus
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for the next 3.something months it's:
1 map
at least 3 new arc
3 new map conditions
several things to work towards

which sounds okay to me.

muted condor
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Depends on if those actually add anything to playing the game

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They could add 15 new enemies and not actually do anything to the game of importance

heavy garnet
indigo nexus
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well, I'm quite certain that they will. Novelty has its own value. So does variety of experience.

unkempt moss
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Do you want them to add raids or something

muted condor
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Havenā€™t checked in a while I know it was over 100 a while ago

unkempt moss
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I think i saw theyre adding clan battles for all the super elite hard-core pvpers

muted condor
indigo nexus
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Personally I'm hoping for a 'bigger' endgame. Long-term cross-expedition goals to get the most cool things.

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A tier of things above legendary, which are actually very good and hard to make (but the main thing gating them would be a one-time investment, for each option in that tier), would be cool.

unkempt moss
muted condor
heavy garnet
muted condor
heavy garnet
muted condor
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Building 21 and the Koshki complex in DMZ were so much fun

muted condor
primal lark
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Embark should add a p90 to the game šŸ‘ šŸ‘

muted condor
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Real

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Also should say all of my opinions on AR are very subjective and probably represent a small minority of players

unkempt moss
muted condor
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Building 21 was only active on weekends and required a key to go in and had high pve and PvP threat but amazing loot. Koshki was less PvP but had mini bosses with exclusive gear to them

sudden pewter
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I still havenā€™t touched the game since they added big snow building, and I havenā€™t even played it yet

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Been to focused on Finals and other titles

muted condor
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I kinda stopped playing consistently after abmm got fully added because my friends that liked PvE didnā€™t like not being allowed to defend themselves and me and some PvP buddies being 100% always forced to kos no matter what was getting old so we all moved on

sudden pewter
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How do I respond to this without sounding like an asshole?

chilly granite
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Dude, I did get 1st seed with tow unranked players

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in gold 4

I went 10-0-6 and they went 1-10 each

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first seed

and we got elimed in first round

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oh is he meaning enemies? not teammates

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oh that's a skill issue lol

serene glade
muted condor
sudden pewter
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Because itā€™s Silver 2? Makes sense that unranked players would be matched middle of the road or on the lower end as a baseline to measure performance.

chilly granite
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@faint kettle so it depends a lot on what class you play, but even in the worst situations, there's usualy some stuff you can do to express your own superiorityy to the game

for me, I play light grapple and yoink boxes and that can help get a 5/6th places at least, and often a 3/4 just on vault tap/dunk gold

sudden pewter
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And then in response to ā€œindividual performanceā€ maybe bring up itā€™s a team game? Idk

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I get being frustrated with teamates, but bluds already on the discord. Pick up two LFGā€™s

chilly granite
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getting first seed with unranked teammate is bullshit thouhg, we had to get 1/2 for any +rs and the matchmaking clearly was overvaluing them loll

muted condor
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I solo queue because the few time I tried to LFG here all I found was more people needing to get carried or obnoxious mouth breathers

unkempt moss
muted condor
sudden pewter
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I mean, I get it. Thereā€™s some matches you literally cannot win because your team cannot pull their weight

muted condor
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Iv accepted that the player base is so small youā€™re always going to be in the same pool of matchmaking as 70% of the player base

chilly granite
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I don't mind triple light it's usallly not bad in my bracket

mediumms tend to be the most useless temamates

sudden pewter
muted condor
sudden pewter
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I cannot imagine the consequences of complaining about experienced players performing poorly in a ranked setting. Youā€™re just being elitist šŸ«µ

muted condor
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Not this season but great example

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There is no physical way for me to win this and this is no reason a level 96 emerald player should perform that badly

sudden pewter
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Emerald is a time investment, not an indicator of skill. Same with lvl

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But I 100% understand where youā€™re coming from

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I pointed at the same thing in my TDM game, but it was x3 +100 players collectively doing worse than a single dual blade medium

unkempt moss
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Is 106 considered a high level?

muted condor
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Thatā€™s me, Iā€™m the dual blade demon and I will glaze myself

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Actually I was. I donā€™t play them anymore

sudden pewter
unkempt moss
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I need to go outside

sharp kite
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why tf did h+ heal faster than xp-54 headshots up close

chilly granite
heavy garnet
muted condor
sudden pewter
chilly granite
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there's a lot of people who havee time but a reason they can't get good

kids are dumb but have time

some disablities can act as a significant hinderance to perforamnce but can result in having a lot of time

muted condor
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Get these kids out of my game. They should get a job in the mines already

sudden pewter
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Disabilities
light

sudden pewter
muted condor
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TS would be tough in the bronze lobbies fr

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chilly granite
muted condor
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To much spinning with pre nerf sword

unkempt moss
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The only limits that can't be broken are the ones we set for ourselves

sudden pewter
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Or those put in place by developers

chilly granite
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for sure but a lot of people are playing not to break their limits but for fun

muted condor
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The limits of mediums who use defib are also hard capped

sudden pewter
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Embark specifically puts me in Monkey 2 Lobbies twice before a balanced one because they fear my W/L ratio otherwise

unkempt moss
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Don't worry guys, Capcom saved us from Embark. We dont have to play anymore.

chilly granite
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like, if I wanted to have the highest possible rank as a person with arthritus, the correct ansewr is to playy heavy lol

but I nejoy bow so I ply light

unkempt moss
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Youre going to play the class with harder movement and recoil control with arthritis?

sudden pewter
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Light cope

faint kettle
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Iā€™ve basically been a Medium main since the beta. That class just fits my playstyle, and Iā€™ve never really liked playing ranked in any game (I think Iā€™ve mentioned that here before as well).

But in the last few seasons I started thinking about giving ranked a serious try. I had some really good matches in World Tour... probably thatā€™s what gave me the confidence to finally jump into ranked.

The problem is, ever since I started playing ranked this season, it feels like Iā€™m playing a completely different game. Thereā€™s barely any synergy between teammates. When there is synergy, the game feels amazing because we actually stick together, but that only happens in maybe 20% of the matches.

Most of the time everyone just plays their own game. And sure, people can say ā€œthis is a team-based gameā€... but then either donā€™t have a solo queue at all, or if you do, separate ranking more based on individual performance. You could even factor in class-based performance.

Iā€™m more than willing to adapt my build depending on my teammatesā€™ loadouts, but itā€™s really hard to play properly when everyone just does their own thing...

muted condor
chilly granite
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and movement isn't difficult with any archtype in the finals, this isn't quake lol

sudden pewter
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class šŸ˜”

gleaming aspen
chilly granite
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strafejump, rocket jump, double jump

gleaming aspen
faint kettle
chilly granite
muted condor
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Quake stands for ā€œQuaking in my boots when I see womenā€

sudden pewter
muted condor
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Womp womp Marathon is going to kill the finals

sudden pewter
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THE FINALS KILLER???

muted condor
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Dead game dead game only 200 player online fr

serene glade
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I'd rather play highguard over marathon. Shit looks horrible

sudden pewter
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IS PEGGLE 4 THE DESTINY 2 KILLER??

muted condor
chilly granite
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like saying finals has hard movement is a fkn joke lol

it's hard compared to battlefield and cod, but it aint shit compared to quake clones

muted condor
serene glade
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When Pikmin 5 is announced, embark will not last much longer

muted condor
sudden pewter
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Silver Players donā€™t even know that every Ruby player abuses the grapefruit method

chilly granite
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and like, maybe lights in ur games aren't doing the same movement tech as heavies, but even if I'm light, gotta go fast lol

muted condor
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We Stan Marathon in here

serene glade
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"We" orf_crazy

muted condor
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Yes

chilly granite
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did u guys see the funny clip of me steal box last night

muted condor
sudden pewter
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Sorry babygirl

chilly granite
muted condor
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Iā€™m all in on Marathon be good and no one can bring down my hope posting

sudden pewter
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Looks like doodoo feces ngl. Plus Bungie šŸ¤¢

muted condor
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It looks great youā€™re coping

sudden pewter
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We all saw the playtests breastie šŸ„›

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Visually itā€™s different sure, but Iā€™d give it another 2-3 years before itā€™s worth my time. Especially since itā€™ll likely fall through the same pitfalls Bungie experienced with D2.

muted condor
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You play TF2 get out

sudden pewter
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Valid, I play a game thatā€™s actively maliciously neglected by the most financially successful gaming company on earth

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And for +8 years they refused to hire a single employee to maintain the game or address rampant bot accounts that actively made the game unplayable

chilly granite
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tf2 is chad game

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let heavy rocket jump with rpg

sudden pewter
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Actually be silent at once. Here you are tolerated but you tread upon hallowed ground.

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Gabe, smite this fool at once.

chilly granite
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market gardening with sledge

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if you say you don't want it you're lying

fringe seal
sudden pewter
fringe seal
sudden pewter
fringe seal
sudden pewter
fringe seal
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okayyyy chud

sudden pewter
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Bro thought he was Yakubs chosen. You havenā€™t earned the right to such powers

fringe seal
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embed failure is such a discord insult, i lowkey respect that meatgloves, keep it going i see the mamba in you

chilly granite
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also wtf is with players in org clans being toxic

is that not a brand risk

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idk what the rules are on who can join org clans but they need to sort that shit out it's not a good look whne I get teabagged by an (org name) player as a casual playing a casual mode

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I'm self censoring becuase I can't 100% remeber which org it was and I don't want to accidentally flamethe wrong org

sudden pewter
chilly granite
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some aren't open

but why would any be open at all, it's a terrible brand risk

sudden pewter
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Itā€™s not a brand risk, nobody cares. Signed players are high profile

chilly granite
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do you really think that haivng a brand name tag in front of a rracist profile is not a brand risk

fringe seal
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its aight most of them suck your chilling bro you got this goat

fringe seal
chilly granite
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"responsible" vs "visibly associated"

fringe seal
sudden pewter
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The Gamers care little for racism my sweet soft shelled hatchling. Iā€™m not going to assume Envy supports the Klan when I see a player with a silly name in-game wearing Envy branded cosmetics he/she paid $12 for

chilly granite
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envy branded cosmetics are different from the clan tag on the leaderboard

sudden pewter
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Any Org only really gives a damn about signed players, as long as Stew, Biggie, and Mambo #5 arenā€™t yelling slurs on stream or during an event they donā€™t care.

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And why should they? Supposedly Embark moderates things. Report and move on

fringe seal
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literally, only brand ambassadors matter, they dont care and shouldn't for randos

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cus its a finals issue not an org issue

sudden pewter
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If they gave a damn about the Org Tag theyā€™d vet who gets it and who does not. Since this clearly isnā€™t the case it must not matter. Nobody is reasonably going to assume any Org supports what random players say or do

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@muted condor get the ENVY tag and Solo Q spear in ranked

chilly granite
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It was also not a public clan, I checked

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which makes it a worse look

muted condor
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I actually had to fight someone from my clan once from randomly queuing against them. Thatā€™s how small the player base has gotten

unkempt moss
#

I didn't realize bow user was so passionate about the esports orgs

chilly granite
#

I'm not but it's a bad look for a casual/new player to get tbagged by a player who appears to be associated with an esports org

and I see a lot of new players in my tdms getting tbagged by esports tagged players lmao

unkempt moss
#

Good. Hopefully it kills esports faster in the finals

chilly granite
#

more likely it will kill the casual and new player scene in the finals

unkempt moss
#

Nah

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I need it to kill esports and tdm

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Fix a lot of problems right there

compact tundra
#

Where the fuck are you guys finding all these people, I have been actively praying for a chance to run the ones with these supposed "pros" and you and yikes have them coming out your ass. This is fucking bullshit

gleaming aspen
#

what did tdm do

chilly granite
#

I mean i play like 12h a day

unkempt moss
#

Makes people come in to the proper finals mode believing in an over prioritization on kills. Plus it makes bow user monologue in here with the worst imaginable takes for 16 hours a day

chilly granite
#

rpg jumping is the worst imagineable take?

unkempt moss
#

Broken clock

chilly granite
#

hahaha

compact tundra
#

No, but it's still a bad one.
It gives heavy movement which is just a bad idea
It buffs rpg even more, an item with a super high pick rate in high elos and casual
And could be a nightmare to add to this game given even small balance changes can break entire items

chilly granite
#

if I played cashout /when I play cashout I talk more because there's more time where I'm dead/waitiing for enemies hahahaha

unkempt moss
#

We've been listening to the no movement for heavy crowd for 9 seasons now and look where we are. Most boring season yet

chilly granite
unkempt moss
#

Charge and slam should be reworked in to jump and slam. Let me hulk jump

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Cmon and slam!

compact tundra
unkempt moss
#

Fun chuds will inherit the earth after the serious crowd kills the game

chilly granite
#

wait can u actually yuse anti grav like a rockcet jump? send clips please i want to seeeee

unkempt moss
#

He's saying high cost vertical

compact tundra
unkempt moss
#

Good is subjective.

compact tundra
unkempt moss
#

Its decent

sudden pewter
#

Itā€™s okay. Super niche but that doesnā€™t stop idiots from throwing it to their teams detriment in PB

chilly granite
#

I mean, anti grav probably needs a buff anyway, certainly as a tool for vert movement

and I don't think rocket jumping with current rpg self damage owuld be better than antigrav

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what's hp after a rocket jump with rpg right now?

unkempt moss
#

Anti grav is one of heavies best gadgets imo. Just takes some thinking

chilly granite
#

isn't it like, 130?

sudden pewter
#

This is like the only instance I have of Gravity Cube being used for more than objective manipulation or ā€œfuck it, itā€™s off CDā€

chilly granite
#

i feel like having light HP as a cost of gaining vertical movement seems perfectly fine

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RPG is too good but that's a seperate argument, the projectile should probabbly be slower

sudden pewter
#

You donā€™t need to feel, I know. Bad idea trust

chilly granite
#

if it's op just make rpg shit lol

sudden pewter
#

Or, or. Donā€™t give Heavy movement tech/tools šŸ¤«

unkempt moss
#

Nah that sucks.

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Fun chuds need to rise up against the status quo.

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Catter and his band of serious posters must be cut off at the knees.

sudden pewter
#

My mycelial network will consume you

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Just because something is fun doesnā€™t mean itā€™s balanced. Iā€™m all for new ideas from people with more than a surface level understanding of the game.

unkempt moss
#

I gave you my balance take for rocket jumping. You called me fat and stupid, and then banned me from speaking in wepsNgadg for 4 hours.

sudden pewter
#

Iā€™ll fucking do it again

unkempt moss
#

Pls dont. This is my only socialization.

sudden pewter
#

I have MPD and three of them are freaky šŸ„µ

unkempt moss
#

In gouf patch i actually have RPG going to medium anyway

sudden pewter
#

No.

unkempt moss
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So rocket jump isn't even in the plans

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Why not?

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You haven't even seen the reasoning

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The fun chud uprising is coming because of this.

sudden pewter
#

Because the reasoning stinks!!!!
Curse of Ra Upon Thee

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š“†š“€£ š“š“€

unkempt moss
#

No it doesn't...

sudden pewter
#

As long as your manifesto doesnā€™t include ā€œgive irons to sniperā€ Iā€™m willing to entertain it. Even if just temporarily

unkempt moss
#

It comes as part of my nerfs to heavy's ability to secure kills at range.

sudden pewter
#

Are you saying it does include a ā€œgive irons to sniperā€ clause.

unkempt moss
#

No

sudden pewter
#

Thank fuck

marble badger
#

whats heavy meta rn?

unkempt moss
#

But i think theres two routes with RPG, make it more effective for destruction. Or give RPG to medium as is, because the self damage would he much more punishing meaning it couldn't be used in their face without major consequence.

unkempt moss
sudden pewter
compact tundra
unkempt moss
#

In the gouf patch i outline how i think rpg is currently unhealthy for the game. Changes I'd make to it on heavy, but the major change would giving it to medium. As Medium has lost both jump and defib in the patch, so I'm giving them strong gadgets in return

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In the patch heavy has lost all throwables, exclusively having access to mines. So this is part of that.

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I removed all gadget cross over as well.

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I think at the very least you would appreciate the cohesiveness of the patch in giving every build a solid identity, while giving access to certain foundational aspects of the game to every build.

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Sorry archetype*

marble badger
marble badger
chilly granite
unkempt moss
marble badger
unkempt moss
#

I have an idea for heavy movement but you gotta have an open mind.

marble badger
chilly granite
#

but I think the biggest change needed is 4 gadget slots so you can do more interesting decisions

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bruuuh 6 is so far away

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sudden pewter
chilly granite
#

idk if I can afford to skip flashes for gravity vortex

sudden pewter
chilly granite
sudden pewter
compact tundra
# sudden pewter No Anti Grav.
  • area denial
  • cashbox manipulation
  • allows BFR, lewis, and ShAK to duck hunt
  • vertical movement
  • good stalling tool
  • and pairs well with winch
unkempt moss
#

Gateway on heavy.

  • cant use it as effectively for movement as light but still gives them a movement option while keeping it from being fully forward active movement like jump/zip
  • synergy with their siege style, meaning their extra health and destruction can get the team in safely
  • slowest base movement speed meaning it is technically a nerf to gateway so you can increase the range again
  • longest throw range so it can be used mid combat more effectively
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Thoughts from the council

chilly granite
#

and you guys think my takes are bad

sudden pewter
unkempt moss
#

Anti grav is also a super strong anti defib tool

sudden pewter
#

Ainā€™t nobody using it for that blud.

muted condor
unkempt moss
#

Thats one of my main uses, fella

chilly granite
#

anti defib is for sure one of the main uses

sudden pewter
chilly granite
#

the good/ruby heavies in point break do it all the time

unkempt moss
#

Throw it on a defibbed opponent and they just float there with no movement, no escape. Eats their invincibility, and its just a pinata effectively.

sudden pewter
#

I have yet to see it used such a single time and Iā€™m living in Point Break

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Not saying it canā€™t be done, but itā€™s absolutely not a ā€œmain useā€ of the gadget

chilly granite
#

whats ur point break rank?

unkempt moss
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#35

chilly granite
#

i mean c4tter, just for context as what "lilving in point break is"

sudden pewter
#

No idea. As Yakubs chosen apostle Iā€™ve risen above such things

unkempt moss
sudden pewter
chilly granite
#

leaderboards for casual modes are basically just how often do you play leaderardboards

unkempt moss
#

Also my gateway idea just being ignored is worse than it being torn to shreds.

serene glade
#

whats gogmazios meta rn?

sudden pewter
#

Never read it

unkempt moss
sudden pewter
serene glade
#

great sword, and c4tter described chatacabra so aye aye

unkempt moss
#

Were locked in

sudden pewter
#

Iā€™m consuming an entire stack of RizzBerries the moment the Goth Support joins the lobby

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I care little for the diarrhea debuff

unkempt moss
sudden pewter
#

Optimized šŸ‘ Loadout

muted condor
#

I could be your goth support

unkempt moss
muted condor
#

But you donā€™t play

chilly granite
#

anyway @sudden pewter can u check ur leaderboard pos so we can get some better context as to if you really are living in point break

sudden pewter
muted condor
sudden pewter
chilly granite
#

anyone with c4tter on your friendslist can also leak his stats

sudden pewter
unkempt moss
#

Im embarrassed now...

muted condor
#

DATE?!

unkempt moss
#

šŸ‘‰ šŸ‘ˆ

muted condor
#

YOUR CHEATING ON ME!

serene glade
#

i too lie on the internet

sudden pewter
#

We watched avatar 3 in 3D at a Cinnebar (cinema with a bar)

chilly granite
unkempt moss
#

They aren't even showing it there. You didnt have a date!

sudden pewter
#

She goes to another school so you wouldnā€™t know herā€¦

chilly granite
#

if I played 1 day a week, then I would see a pro in my games like one a month lol

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but playing like 14h a day 7 days a week biases the stats lol

muted condor
#

I canā€™t have Catter getting it before me

sudden pewter
#

Iā€™m sorry babe but Iā€™m not a virgin šŸ™

muted condor
#

Heā€™s not one of us. No wonder he uses Shak

sudden pewter
#

My K/D too high to not have at least a little game smh

muted condor
#

Fraud

sudden pewter
#

Iā€™m still a gamer, I let it crust and pick it off like a scab

muted condor
#

Fair

unkempt moss
#

Thats aftercare if you let her do it

muted condor
#

Still a fraud

sudden pewter
#

Okay but what if I exfoliate her skin by raking her body with my teeth?

chilly granite
#

oh god please can we get a cm in here to makee them shut up

sudden pewter
#

Like a Beaver peeling bark off a tree

muted condor
#

Peak

unkempt moss
#

Not allowed to say 4(play) in the discord

sudden pewter
slender fiber
#

mods, cover this man in polyester

chilly granite
#

100% single

sudden pewter
muted condor
chilly granite
#

i'm rnak 50 on tdm leaderboard, is anyone surprised I'm single?

unkempt moss
slender fiber
#

are you the best repeater user

sudden pewter
muted condor
#

Iā€™m ass at the game and am still single sad_friend

unkempt moss
#

Rip

muted condor
#

I will still blame everyone else for both problems frogonesie

unkempt moss
#

Plays heavy, blames like a light. The meta

chilly granite
#

I conceed that guy is good at the repeater but being the best repeater user is like being the best user of a kids toy

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use a manly weapon plz

slender fiber
#

lewis gun akm please

unkempt moss
slender fiber
sudden pewter
chilly granite
sudden pewter
#

Light Cope on full display

unkempt moss
#

Absolutely not. Little pea shooters with zero recoil? Literally children's toys

chilly granite
#

m1 garand grapple hook is extremely chadly

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v9s/m11/arn are baby weapons

sudden pewter
unkempt moss
#

What would the manliest light weapon be? Double barrel? At least it's loud.

chilly granite
#

matter

sudden pewter
unkempt moss
#

Macho

chilly granite
#

Matter/lh1 respectively

sudden pewter
slender fiber
unkempt moss
#

Requires skill? Ain't no light weapon fits that descrip

sudden pewter
unkempt moss
#

Except my beloved dagger. I would say LH1 or DB. Just from noise they make.

chilly granite
#

lh1 is less macho than matter, but not by much

lh1 is most skillfull light weaopn

sudden pewter
slender fiber
sudden pewter
#

DB is a power bottoms weapon

slender fiber
#

if you use db you take it in the bum

unkempt moss
slender fiber
unkempt moss
slender fiber
#

db users cant be good at the game without one shotting everyone like a homeless bum

sudden pewter
#

Yes, Light should be able to OHK any other archetype.
No, Light shouldnā€™t be able to be OHKā€™d. (Unless itā€™s by other Lights)

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Winch BFR was a monumental moment in the games history because for the first time since the RPG nerf Lights could fuck around and find out

slender fiber
#

light players are the reason duo queue in this game is a nightmare because your third is always some kind of sniper light that contributes nothing

unkempt moss
sudden pewter
#

My friends first experience in H2H was a random Light that went 2/20 while we carried the match

slender fiber
#

every day i pray for a random that plays heal beam medium or mesh heavy

unkempt moss
#

Many such cases

unkempt moss
slender fiber
sudden pewter
#

Reminder you arenā€™t allowed to complain about teamates unless youā€™re playing ranked btw

unkempt moss
#

I'll start queing there.

slender fiber
sudden pewter
slender fiber
chilly granite
#

I was trying to spam revive me lol

unkempt moss
#

Gateway plus charge and slam is poetry.

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I'm full on gateway for heavy believer

#

Googs brought the mgl plus gateway synergy to my attention as well

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I'm actually so smart its scary

simple snow
#

Iā€™m a light main but I feel Iā€™ll be better off as medium so what is the medium loadout for me Iā€™m tryna play ranked as well I used to play the v95 and bow as light I wanna be a good medium

unkempt moss
#

Says light main but wants to play medium, displaying heavy tag. This guy is wild.

pulsar reef
#

Play with revolver

#

This shit hits hard in the head

unkempt moss
#

You could do repeater as well for similar bow play maybe? Mid range dominant slower fire rate.

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Im not really a bow user, but I was thinking revolver or repeater.

pulsar reef
#

Imma give you one tip: go and play with whatever you want

#

This game has near perfect balance

unkempt moss
pulsar reef
#

I play with pistols

muted condor
#

I have a tip: go play marathon instead

Destroyer_Shell_Cinematic___Marathon_0-51_screenshot.png
#

Dead game embark is shutting down tomorrow

analog pewter
#

nah we highguarding

muted condor
#

Who up highing they guard

indigo nexus
unkempt moss
#

Why?

indigo nexus
#

I've never seen such a low score

unkempt moss
#

What are the reviews saying, sausage-san?

indigo nexus
#

reviews seem to be saying something to the end of "undercooked game, not great experience".
surprising that a game got so ludicrously low just off of what seem to be general issues?

pulsar reef
#

Wtf is marathon anyways

serene glade
#

Bungie slop

unkempt moss
#

Bungslop?

unkempt moss
#

I think a lot of times games get hate bandwagoned. I cant say for sure this game deserves it or not, but reviews seem to snowball.

indigo nexus
#

a while ago the worst on steam, in terms of significant releases, was at like 40%

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so I guess things are snowballing faster than they ever did previously, or... something

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or the game is genuinely that bad.

unkempt moss
#

I know Monster Hunter Wilds dipped pretty low for a long time because of performance issues.

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Game was excellent if you didnt have the performance issues though, so that's why I'm saying it doesnt take a whole lot to garner reviews like that.

muted condor
unkempt moss
#

Marathon will soon join it in the overwhelmingly negative realm

muted condor
#

Mostly from grifters

#

People that have actually played the closed tests have loved it

unkempt moss
#

I figured the virtue signaling about the AI or whatever controversy it was will follow it to 1.0

muted condor
#

There was some drama of stolen assets but those were removed ages ago and the artist was already compensated

unkempt moss
#

Is that going to be enough for the average dumbass though?

muted condor
#

The average dumbass doesnā€™t care about that

unkempt moss
#

You'd be right if they weren't given their opinion by other people. They have to pretend to understand the implications or risk becoming a pariah in their online social circle.

sudden pewter
muted condor
#

Yeah hu

sudden pewter
stoic garden
sudden pewter
stoic garden
bold sentinel
#

Hey community ! Got stupid idea for a guardian turret change that would make it a funnier specialisation to play :

Guardian Turret can be placed and mooved on barrels, giving it different effect based on the barrel used as anchor
Fire barrel : turret equiped with flame thrower
Goo barrel : goo gun
Glitch barrel : fires glitch trap effect
Gas barrel : creates a gas trail when the player mooves with the barrel in hand
Smoke cannister : creates smoke trail
Red cannister : turret auto aims the cannister at ennemies

To make it less of a only defensive specialisation, thowing the prop holding the turret should not flip the turret and make a tuuret plant. Extending the range for planting the item when attacking.

The basic guadian option would still be aviable, more option would just be added using an already existing mechanic, enhanced and developped as a core mechanic for the specialization.

tulip knoll
#

Nerf winch claw

unkempt moss
#

The duality of posters

placid slate
muted condor
unkempt moss
#

If you had to drop one trailer to sway someone to marathon which would it be?

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I fully expect them to flub this mid season so my shooter slot will probably be opening up

muted condor
#

Probably the Reveal Cinematic

simple snow
#

Charge and slam and sledge or goo gun and sledge?

sand monolith
glass river
unkempt moss
#

Actually, since youre here. @sand monolith
Gateway on heavy, how do you feel about it?

sand monolith
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no wtf that would destroy heavy balance entirely

unkempt moss
#

Tell me why. I know you'll talk to me like I'm a moron and mean it, so explain it to me.

chilly granite
#

I just had first seed, my heavy was highest on my team, so probably highest in the lobby

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he went 0-5

sand monolith
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cause classes need downsides/drawbacks in their loadout selection and heavy's main drawback should be movement speed / movement utility (and range)

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if heavy could move with gateway we would probably have an HHH meta immediately because another heavy would just be better than having a medium

chilly granite
#

yeah

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rpg jump heavy at least has the downside of deleting heavies largest advantage over other classes, hp

unkempt moss
#

Doesnt the gateway require you to move first? So the slower movement speed on heavy would be a direct nerf to gateway?

chilly granite
#

no

sand monolith
#

no

chilly granite
#

it's a grenade, so it gains player velocity for a slightly longer throw

sudden pewter
sand monolith
#

the only time that really matters is when you gateway out of a dash pad. heavy would still get a 20m teleport

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give heavy better tools for crossing open areas that fit the playstyle. an alternative to dome shield that can be carried but cant be shot through would be nice

muted condor
#

Give heavy a riot shield

unkempt moss
#

Why not just nerf dome to be like that? The consensus seems to be that its overpowered.

sand monolith
#

cause people would bitch and moan even though its a good idea

muted condor
#

It doesnā€™t need a nerf other gadgets need buffs

sand monolith
#

if every gadget was dome shield strength then the game would be unplayable lol

unkempt moss
#

Yeah I think there are cases where things need to be nerfed. Even being the buff everything guy.

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Defib being an example. You'll never buff APS to provide the value of defib. So you have to bring defib down a notch.

sudden pewter
#

Erm, haven't you heard??? This is a PvE game and everything can be adjusted soley with buffs. No nerfs neccesary.

sand monolith
#

wait true

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and when ttk gets too fast just buff hp values

unkempt moss
#

Dont need to clown him. I do see where he is coming from. There's just outliers in these things

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What if you nerfed the throw range on gateway for heavy.

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Like it had a maximum throw range of 10m before it popped?

chilly granite
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10m gateway is still a lot of vertical movement for a heavy

sand monolith
#

yea

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i just dont see a need. heavy is super balanced around restricted movement. its way more trouble than its worth

unkempt moss
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So your rocket jump will be less than 10m?

chilly granite
#

do you know how far 10m is?

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and you realize that it would eat most of heavy's hp?

unkempt moss
#

30 ish feet.

chilly granite
#

33

unkempt moss
#

So you want the heavy's rocket jump to go 5m vertically and do 200 self damage?

sand monolith
unkempt moss
#

But I have to think about it since the consensus here seems to be that it wouldn't work.

chilly granite
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10m is more than the height of most buildings in bernal, for context

unkempt moss
#

I'd like to think theres a way to change it where heavy could get a movement gadget.

unkempt moss
chilly granite
#

the in game distance measurements round btw, so 10m is between 9.5 and 10.5

unkempt moss
#

Unless you mean the two stories. Even then you can googun up the side of those with like 4 shots at most. Which you can shoot reliably from way out.

chilly granite
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no, I mean the three stories

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practice range two story

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it's about 3m per level

unkempt moss
#

Yeah, I still think theres a way to make it work. Especially with all the changes I have going on.

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It would be strong, but thats what I want. For things to be strong and useful.

chilly granite
#

I'm not saying that, but rpg which deletes most of your hp giving a 14 meter or so jump is a lot less powerful than gateway

if you want to give medium rpg, then give heavy c4 jumping lol

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gateway can also be used as a soft dash btw, since it's instant movement

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rpg self damage gives heavy 152 hp, which is a reasonable trade for signficant noisy mobility

unkempt moss
#

Going forward GOUF patch has Pad on Light, Zip on medium, Gateway on Heavy.

chilly granite
#

it's a fairly long cooldown and the noise makes it fairly likely to be punished

unkempt moss
#

Working on the gateway changes to suit it now.

chilly granite
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c4 is 149hp

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as a minimum gateway should be a normal grenade

single throw, if you can bounce it good, it bounces good, and the first gateway spawns on your ass so you can't abuse other moiblity

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gateway being able to be any two arbitrary locations is way too powerufl

#

on light, let aloen heavy

#

should I be using breach charge as a frag grenae?

unkempt moss
#

Its going to work. I have spoken.

chilly granite
#

lmao, one of my teeammates just doubled with 2s left so we got 7/8 instead of 5/6

unkempt moss
#

First nerf is definitely changing that vaults cant fall through anymore. They have to be thrown or carried.

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No more set and forget gateways.

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If 10m is three stories thats perfect.

#

Thank you for confirming, that its the height of Bernal buildings. That's all I needed to know.

chilly granite
#

how convient that I was bored in my bernal cashout

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idk how you're meant to use breach charge, it's so bad as a frag grenade and I'm not good enough to use the destruction to effect

#

I'll keep trying i guess

unkempt moss
#

Why would you use it as a frag?

chilly granite
#

trying to find some use of it?

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like, I don't get breach charge

unkempt moss
#

The destruction is the point. It only does like 70 damage.

chilly granite
#

yeah, I'm not good at profiting off destruction

#

doing 140 to everyone in a room seems way more useful lol

unkempt moss
#

Does it even have a decent AoE? Everyone in a room is a stretch.

unkempt moss
chilly granite
#

I understand that except I'm not good at using destruction to secure cashotuts

unkempt moss
#

But you can use it for kills by opening new sightlines.

chilly granite
#

I prefer thermal bore for that

unkempt moss
#

Cashout destruction 101 is playing for drop. Plant breaches around the cashout, or on the ceiling below the cashout. Fight as normal, but stay alive. If you hear them start to steal, rip the breach and take advantage of the chaos. Or you can just sit below if youre not ready to play it more aggressive.

chilly granite
#

I've tried a bunch but I can't make it work idk

unkempt moss
#

You probably need to slow down a bit if you're having trouble.

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In cashout you need to learn to let off the throttle a bit.

chilly granite
#

I think I struggle to play with the same pace as my team, so when I play drop I end up playing too slow and so my teammates are already dead by that point

native flame
#

@tacit wasp deagles have crazy bloom and dont always shoot where ur cursor is

tacit wasp
#

if youre moving

native flame
#

I solo queued to ruby with them, they MOST definitely need an accuracy buff with how absolutely mid they look in comparison to the bfr

tacit wasp
#

and spamming, to be fair.

native flame
#

dude even when ur not moving, do you even know what bloom is

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I always pace my shots fyi

#

literally ask any good deagle mains

tacit wasp
#

aight so buff accuracy would make them a tier or so?

chilly granite
#

it would help thm for sure

#

tiers are subjective and somehwat depend on skill/rank

tacit wasp
#

true

native flame
#

meta is lame

tacit wasp
#

i wouldnt complain about a shift from bfr meta tbf

daring ibex
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Make light walk through walls

queen garden
wet musk
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These great minds must be cooking something big then for thermal vision xD

unkempt moss
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Can we get the Mini 14 penetrator from Ghost in the Shell for heavy?

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Forgot my picture.

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swift agate
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seems a bit too fantastical to be a base weapon. I could see it as a weapon skin for another gun added in the future that has a similar visual profile (I can't think of what that would be, but it may happen), but base weapons are meant to be mostly grounded in reality and visually basic, which is why all of them thus far have been based on real weapons, and then their weapon skins can get to be wacky and fun

unkempt moss
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Its a shoulder mounted anti tank rifle shooting a round with enough recoil to hurt the user if improperly fired.

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But I can wait until they release a basic version of that I suppose.

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Hopefully we get another shotgun or AR in the meantime. Its getting a bit stale without some new additions.

slender fiber
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what about a tankgewehr

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i would uninstall actually if i was oneshot by this nvm

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dont add this

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dont add anti tank rifles to the game

alpine sphinx
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i know thats such a crazy idea

placid slate
alpine sphinx
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yeah the meta has ben virtually unchanged for over a year

swift agate
slender fiber
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wasn't necessarily thinking heavy

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but It would be dumb either way

swift agate
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it would obviously be on heavy though. it wouldn't make any sense on medium or especially light

slender fiber
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next heavy weapon should be the chauchat

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this and the Lewis gun are the two most beautiful guns in history

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swift agate
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if arc raiders is anything to go off of, the chauchat could actually maybe possibly not be completely disgustingly overpowered on launch if it was added to the finals

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but if they're adding it to heavy, I wouldn't hold my breath on that

swift agate
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every country was coming out with their own reject wierdo gun that was hastily thrown onto the frontlines

slender fiber
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shak not sa

swift agate
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eh, I just don't think heavy needs any more guns when most of the ones it already has would be strong enough to define the meta by themselves if that other weapon one peg up wasn't there.

slender fiber
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I would say the only really op weapons on their own that heavy has is like. the bfr and thats it

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the rest are only feeling op when paired with winch

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it's the util that makes heavy good not so much the weapons, most of which lose straight ttk battles with medium or light counterparts

edgy estuary
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Light buff tomorrow probably since it didnā€™t really get anything in the first patch and I doubt they want a HHM meta again.

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Or heavy nerf, but that would cause half the population to have a breakdown.

swift agate
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meta defining doesn't mean always overpowered. bfr is busted off its rocker, but SA defined the meta for the longest time and has always been strong, and shak is borderline the catalyst for the double heavy meta we have currently (apart from half of light's only viable gadgets being hard nerfed, making it just that much less desirable over a second heavy). if those three weapons didn't exist, heavy would still be eating well. akimbos would still shred, lewis would still shred, minigun would still shred, ks would still delete players from the game (though granted, that weapon hasn't been very good up until recently) and sledge and m60 would still be very viable.

edgy estuary
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Just my guess btw, donā€™t get mad

placid slate
edgy estuary
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Wouldnā€™t mind a bit of medium love too, I really hope we get a big stir up honestly.

placid slate
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I never want to see a cerb buff again

edgy estuary
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Lots of weapons across the board need a little love

swift agate
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the only mediocre-bad weapons heavy has are just flamethrower, which is a noobstomper and that's about it, the mgl, and the spear, when neither other class can say the same for their roster

placid slate
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Too many mfs got rose tinted glasses for that eldritch horror of a gun

edgy estuary
placid slate
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Cerb was such a plague it lobotomised enough mediums into unironically using cl40 once it got nerfed

slender fiber
# swift agate meta defining doesn't mean always overpowered. bfr is busted off its rocker, but...

akimbos are unreliable and have really high spread for a weapon that needs headshots

shak-50 existed for a long time during HLM meta without drastically changing team comps, the reason light is out of meta right now is because the util especially glitch got nerfed a little too hard

Lewis gun loses a one on one fair engagement with any light assuming good mechanics on both without dome shield (again it's the util not the weapons that make heavy good)

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none of these are bad but they aren't op

edgy estuary
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Cerb still stomps in lobbies with a lot of lights.

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Honestly I think the Akimbos feel awesome, you just have to really practice pacing your shots

slender fiber
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yeah they're fun but hardly meta defining or perfect weapons

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even first shot spread isn't great

swift agate
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the health difference far outweighs the dps difference 100% of the time, which is why the flanker dps 'glass cannon' is reduced entirely to a passive support role once you get above platinum

slender fiber
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db can two shot heavies ffs M11 kills heavies just as fast as any heavy weapon kills a light except bfr, dash pushes the odds of most one on one engagements in favour of light the same way done shield does for heavies, light unequivocally has more range than heavy, the util especially glitch which hard counters heavies and leaves then sitting ducks when used well just needs buffs

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also there's less opportunity cost to running dash than there is for some shield to compare the two because invis and grapple are poop compared to dash

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none of this means light needs nerfs it's just how it is

edgy estuary
swift agate
# slender fiber db can two shot heavies ffs M11 kills heavies just as fast as any heavy weapon k...

db two shots because it's basically a melee weapon that you need to aim ffs, and m11 doesn't deal as much dps as you think it does. if we want to go gut to gut, I can show you the ttk stats of every weapon matchup, and they're not going to be in light's favor by any stretch of the imagination. dash barely makes a difference if you're not a lobotomite, and it's only run because cloak and grapple are cheeks.

slender fiber
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if you can't drop a heavy as light by controlling the engagement with your utila and catching them off guard as light is meant to you kinda suck

edgy estuary
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They counter each other

slender fiber
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I'm still arguing that light should be buffed and heavy should be nerfed, just there's no inherent problem with most of heavies weapons as you imply

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and by heavy nerfs I mean kill winch kill bfr and nerf mesh a lil maybe

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also kill repeater not that that relates

swift agate
# slender fiber if you can't drop a heavy as light by controlling the engagement with your utila...

then I suppose every light on pro teams sucks? they're absolutely not going for 1v1s with heavies, and any time they do, they lose flat out. in fact, they're not getting anything done at all without their heavy. oh, but the #1 light in the world got a team wipe once during the major, so light is good and fine and not just there to feed gadgets to their team actually. pay no mind that the entire class is snuffed out of the meta every other season lolol

grand turtle
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Yeah, lets just nerf those weapons to the ground. Good idea :^)
Its not like there is barely any choice for medium

slender fiber
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buff akm too

edgy estuary
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Both sides get angry because they are being countered, but like yeah that is the point. Then mediums just exist silently pulling the strings. whilst the kids argue who needs the most pandering.

slender fiber
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and model and such , the fun weapons because getting oneshot in this game isnt fun

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repeater, bfr, sr 84 and db are all dumb weapons that aren't fun in the slightest to fight against regardless of how good you are

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#bufftheweaponsthatdontoneshotplease

grand turtle
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Especially model and akm
Ngl if they give model +1 damage per pellet and 36 round mag back to akm, they will feel much better

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And lowkey P90. I have no idea what makes people like it or call for nerfs, but it sucks a long one.

swift agate
# slender fiber repeater, bfr, sr 84 and db are all dumb weapons that aren't fun in the slightes...

sr doesn't deserve the hate lol, it's not good. and that's coming from somebody who mains the thing. you ever wonder why we've been in a poke dominated meta for seemingly forever yet sr has never once popped up in pro when it's supposed to be the poke weapon? db doesn't really have my sympathies though, it's pretty overtuned. like I said, it's just a melee you need to aim, and it does the job of a light melee better than sword and dagger, which is a little sad

slender fiber
swift agate
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no shit?

slender fiber
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in all seriousness though I agree that it sucks but it's still uninteractive to play against, it's just bad because the ranges it encourages discourage teamplay and pushing the objective

edgy estuary
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I think they are mainly pretty mid weapons, db is annoyingly easy to use then feels cheap to die to, I think if it needed a qm with light, and heavy, it would feel less annoying but be a way more challenging weapon, but also making changes like that is bias to being an long time player.

slender fiber
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it's not fun to play against or have it on your team, when me and my duo get a sniper light on our team it's genuinely already over

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it's having -1 player but the enemies also have to deal with getting one shot across the map (these kills mean nothing because revives are easy at long ranges from your enemy)

if you should be hating on anything as a sniper user hate on defibs because they hard counter you in every way

slender fiber
swift agate
edgy estuary
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Snipers can be great team mates, the problem is that it is one of the first weapons new players have, it takes quite a lot of skill to be an effective sniper and also juggle playing obj and support, and those skills take time to learn, so we end up with loads of bad sniper players.

swift agate
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I sure as hell am not a good teammate until at least 3 matches in, I'll tell you that much

slender fiber
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I don't feel like sr is op or meta necessarily but it's design clashes so hard with every other design decisions made for the finals it's unreal

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revives are super easy and playing around your team is optimal esp on heavy or light where util is super important -> cross map snipes do nothing but annoy people

swift agate
edgy estuary
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I always just switch and deal with snipers if I have to, I will hunt them all game if it keeps my team happy.

slender fiber
slender fiber
edgy estuary
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Most of them are actually really bad and like I said just new players or kids using one of the only weapons they have. You get the occasional absolute monster sniper main, sometimes a couple in one game, but yeah honestly if they are annoying you a lot, destroy their cranes, and buildings, or text in chat for someone to do it, make it unplayable. KS23 is amazing for this.

slender fiber
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a single pick from long range doesn't mean much, the finals inherently encourages close range fights over cross map picks

stoic garden
slender fiber
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so if that worked with the sr then in high coordination environments would it not be better to just run sniper light

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but we don't see that really

stoic garden
slender fiber
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lh1 is also better in close range and more versatile is the main reason I would say it outclassed the sniper

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because If you can play near to your team that means you can gateway them, heal them, and glitch the enemy too

swift agate
# slender fiber no but what value does it provide when it's optimally used outside the range of ...

I agree, let's give it some buffs so it has more value :)

I'm joking, at least for the most part, but that's just kind of how it works when the weapon is bad but you don't like it. you acknowledge tht it doesn't get much value, but you're automatically opposed to anything that would give it more value potential, because that would mean it's better and more difficult for you to fight, so the only satisfying solution you can think of is to remove it from the game

slender fiber
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and it's harder for the enemy to revive and when you push them in medium or close range

slender fiber
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I didn't say remove it I said I don't like it's design with the finals and it will never be meta but that doesn't mean it should be buffed

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like flamethrower will never be meta but don't buff its damage because it's not fun at all to play against when it works well

stoic garden
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yea it's ok to have lower power ceiling easier weapons, look at melee lmao

swift agate
# slender fiber I'm mostly saying it's awkward because if you buff it enough to make it good and...

that's not necessarily true, but I really wouldn't buff it much either. I think a small firerate increase would do wonders for its viability, but it wouldn't make it easier to play for players who haven't learned it, and it wouldn't really make fighting it more annoying either. it would just give players who are already proficient with it a bit more headroom to work with, and I think that would be fine

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I don't want it to be meta either, because I agree that its design is not one that is conducive to a fun gamestate if it were to be too prominent or overly accessible. it's a relatively niche weapon that should and will always stay that way

slender fiber
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i still think the Devs haven't quite figured out light as a whole yet

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and that's not heavy being giga op busted kill that class it's light not having a clearly defined role because it's difficult to make a glass cannon balanced and also fun

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it's always gonna be the most shaky in the meta and straight buffs aren't the solution it just needs more things which seemed to be the direction It was going with things like h+ and gateway

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but they nerfed a lot of that so idfk anymore

swift agate
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I don't think it's actually that difficult, I think it's just that an actually balanced glass cannon is something that shit players are always going to complain endlessly about being overpowered because they can't be arsed to not make the same dumb mistakes over and over again, and so the balance philosophy has to bended, and at many times broken, to accommodate their skill issue because they unfortunatey make up a significant portion of any game's playerbase

slender fiber
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but also light needs things like defib and dome shield that are essential because of the unique and necessary thing they add to any team comps, medium is the only character with a fast revive, heavy is the only character with team Shields and CC, so then what does light do?

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#lightneedsthings

swift agate
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well light is supposed to be a dps flanker that provides value by taking key picks that create openings for the rest of the team, but light is simply unable to perform that role above platinum because that's when medium and heavy players realize that if they just pay attention to the game they're playing, they just turn around and outdps the light without a second thought

slender fiber
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right but making light do more straight damage makes them unplayable against in low ranks which means new players won't enjoy the game as much and the game dies faster, so give light more util that makes them essential is a good way to make light better without making them an ultra pubstomper

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or even make light have 175 hp

shut moss
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nerf db down to 155 damage

slender fiber
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there's nothing light can do that isn't also provided in some way by another character even if that is a weaker version

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yes light already has the most dps by far (minus bfr which should be killed) but light has no real big thing that makes them important other than their guns and speed which can be made up for

swift agate
# slender fiber right but making light do more straight damage makes them unplayable against in ...

my problem with that is that being "unplayable in low ranks" is an entirely self imposed problem. just don't be in low ranks. that sounds reductive, but it is not at all difficult to learn your basic skill and knowledge checks and climb right up out of there, even if you're the most employed person in the world and all you have is 30 minutes 1 day a week. and like magic, when you learn your basic skill and knowledge checks, you no longer have any problem with light's. but bad players insist on being the victim that must be coddled like baby dolls lest "the game dies faster", which I think isn't true in the first place

slender fiber
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you can make things viable in high ranks without being an instant win in causal or low ranks that's a thing called game balance and considering multiple factors

swift agate
slender fiber
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casual doesn't have sbmm

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which is completely stupid

unkempt moss
swift agate
# slender fiber which is completely stupid

nah, I agree that it shouldn't, because I think sbmm makes games worse for the majority of people, but it should specifically for fresh installs who need to learn to get a clue. call it daycare playground kiddie lobbies, don't put players there who have above so-and-so stats into them, and then throw them back into the real world when they graduate

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and when they're in normal lobbies, they're still going to struggle for a bit, but people need to reconcile with the fact that they can't be good at something the second they try it and it's okay to suck fuck for a bit

slender fiber
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and that doesn't mean you win every game that means you arent up against mister unemployed with 5k hours when you get home from your 9-5 and play the game once a week

swift agate
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if "people who play the game casually" is code for bad players who can only play with other bad players, fine, but I don't think so little of actual casual players that I assume they're bad enough at the game that they have to lock in for every quick cash game to get a positive k/d

placid slate
slender fiber
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the only people who get more fun out of not having sbmm are slightly higher than average players who are scared to fight people of their own skill and only derive fun out of shitting on bad players

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the difference with casual is that it should never tell you your elo so you don't gaf about wins or losses

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if you can only enjoy casual modes if you go 13-2 every single time because you have a massive skill diff then idk what to tell you but that's not a healthy sustainable gaming experience

swift agate
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I mean, tell that to anybody who has played a first person shooter before 2015. sbmm didn't exist outside of any ranked mode, and all matchmaking was connection based. players still had fun, more fun even, and almost none of them were pubstomping every game. hop on team fortress 2 and see how it feels to just join a server and play. I'm terrible at tf2, but I have a blast. people need to stop equating how well they're doing competitively with how much fun they're having and then calling themselves a "casual player"

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if your fun is entire dependent on how good you're playing the videogame and not doing well means you're not having fun, you're not a casual player. you're a competitive player that sucks

slender fiber
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TF2 is different because it's more of a social experience than a 'competitive' one, casual the finals doesn't even have all chat so it's not really comparable

swift agate
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and? I want all chat in casual modes. it's a terrible idea, but it would be a step towards making them actually casual rather than just competetive but smaller

swift agate
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I think that's just bs though, I have lots of games where I'm fighting for my life but not falling, and lots of games where I'm doing well but getting curveballs thrown at me. neither of those are stomps on either side, but those make up the majority of my games. it really isn't as black and white as you make it out to be, but introducing heavy sbmm completely flattens that out.

suddenly every game is you playing against your exact double multiplied 6 times, and it just gets dull and tiring because every game feels like the same crabs-in-a-bucket struggle where your only reward for winning is going up against 6 times your exact double +1 the next game, which just feels like the same thing as last game but just that much heavier on your soul, and your punishment for losing is playing 6 times your exact double -1 where you're doing better, but you're barely getting by.

that's not to say that these games can't be enjoyable in a vacuum, but what kills the enjoyment is that there is no variance to stir up the pot, and no reprieve to ease the tension. there is no such thing as a game where you get to relax and just play, even though that's supposed to be the point of a casual game. you just jump into the meat grinder until it wears you down. and this is how it is at all skill tiers too. nobody benefits. I'd take a gamble of stomp-get stomped any day of the week over that

slender fiber
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this discussion ain't worth it for either of us youve been typing for 20m we can agree to disagree but I need to sleep

swift agate
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also sorry for being so slow to type, I haven't slept in over 20 hours

slender fiber
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nah it's alg man idk

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this just was not worth staying awake for 2 more hours sorry for wasting your time too

swift agate
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you're fine, it seems like we're bothj just keeping each other up lol

slender fiber
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yeah aight

chilly granite
indigo nexus
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DB has much worse spread than matter

chilly granite
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db core spread is almost identical

and you only need core spread to twoshot a light

this means that there's a significant region where the matter is 3shot light and the db is twoshot

about 8-12m

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that's assumign pixel perfect aim, the wiggle of the training dummy makes it incosistent at 7m on the matter

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you need 7 pellet hits for twoshot mmatter

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and 5 for the db

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indigo nexus
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Checks out

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intuitively surprising that it lines up like that.

chilly granite
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the DB actually useually hits more than the central 5, because the bottom two often hit legs

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the DB has less horizontal spread which means that it's more manipulateable for better hitreg

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if the DB had indentical spread as the matter, it would be signficantly better against heavies and signficantly worse against lights/meidums

muted condor
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Close enough
Welcome back dome shield

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chilly granite
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anyway, the matter's spread pattern is appauling for what's meant to be light's long range shotgun, and it's dps is also crap tbh

I really don't think the ARN deserves to be able to beat ttk of matter in cqb

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yes Im mad that I got pushed by an arn when I was playing matter and died

muted condor
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Obviously we should remove light

chilly granite
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but yeah, probably the best fix is to make the matters inner spread a little more tight and consistent something like this

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this was an extremely low effort mockup plz odn't hate

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basically, I think the extremeties of the spread are ok, but dps with just the core is too bad, and what I feel like the matter's intended range, hitting more than just the core is extremely unreliable (15ish meters)

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this gives you the oppertunity to dive to get the extremity hits, but the core dps fighting at distance is more consistent

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right now, at 15-20m, which is firmly within matters falloff, your dps output even on heavies is laughable, let alone on mediums, forget fighting a model or a CB

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"oh no I do 13 less damage at point blank range than the matter, and fire 120ms slower, how much my weapn sucks"

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the matter is 121 damage since introduction and the model used to do 117 wiht that spread

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same falloff BTW

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someone at embark really, really hates light

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Anyway, my proposed changes to give light 180hp would be very good for the game, because then you can give medium weapons more damage without them oneshotting light, helping medium weapons be balanced against both light and heavy

medium has 66% more hp than light and heavy only 40% more than medium, meanwhile the hitbox difference between heavy vs medium feel bigger than medium vs light ( but I need to actually test) and certianly I don't think meidum is 66% bigger than light and heavy 40% bigger than medium? maybe 1.4x width and height, but that's not 1.4x area, that's 2x area or whatever

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(vibes based)

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anyway I gotta go buy some food and take some adhd medicine or you guys will get more mad at me than usual

muted condor
unkempt moss
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I love when the dashing light t poses in front of me and let's me shoot them like that to line up the pellets

muted condor
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Killing lights with close range weapons wasnā€™t bad enough

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Every time I almost have a stroke reading this guys stuff I have to remember he plays a completely different game than us

unkempt moss
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I love that a heavily nerfed gateway is too busted for heavy but we're talking about buffing a strong weapon and giving light 180hp in the same pass.

muted condor
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Eh gate way would be busted on heavy

unkempt moss
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You guys cant see the vision along with the rest of the document so I get thinking its busted.

chilly granite
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with those two changes, I don't think that the proposed changes would be that dominant

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and the matter isn't even remotely close to the power level of m11?

chilly granite
muted condor
unkempt moss
muted condor
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Bru

unkempt moss
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BFR was also nerfed in the gouf patch.

muted condor
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Now Iā€™m going to have a stroke

chilly granite
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I think even without other gadgets, 350hp ks23/bfr + gateway combo is unhealthy

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or even deagles, lewis

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maybe lewis woulnd't be too bad I haven't played enough lewis to be certain

unkempt moss
muted condor
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YOU WANT TO NERF ALL THE DECENT GEAR JUST FOR ONE MID MOVEMENT GADGET

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Reworking literally 1/3 of the game for one gadget is a horrible idea

unkempt moss
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The GOUF patch has some foundational changes to the game for a more cohesive design philosophy than we already have. One of them being that every class has movement, destruction, and healing. Previously I had zipline on heavy, but I think its too much immediate positive movement and gateway is a much better option since it has to be placed twice and the heavy needs to change places forward first to do it.

muted condor
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Never cook again

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C&S is heavvyā€™s movement

unkempt moss
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I cant give you the whole picture here until I drop the document, but its just one piece of the puzzle.

compact tundra
unkempt moss
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Its living document to some extent, but the first release of it isnt quite where I'm happy with it. There's certain things I haven't come up with an answer to that I think are crucial for making the whole thing come together.

muted condor
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Bow user I take back everything bad I ever said youā€™re a reasonable person and keep cooking

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I miss your ideas already

unkempt moss
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Damn. Bow user is more reasonable than me. Time to pull the plug on gouf patch.

muted condor
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I wasnā€™t expecting to get a virtual lobotomy today but here we are

compact tundra
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This would be my first time dipping my toes into wacky full game redesign

past parcel
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Christmas list PLEASE embark

ā€¢ Nerf Double Barrel
ā€¢ Nerf repeaters damage and aim assist snapping
ā€¢ Revert bow buff
ā€¢ Remove the right click from throwing knives
ā€¢ Remove sword from hitting while winched
ā€¢ Revert the nerf for winch not being able to go through Dome shield only, the dome was already op and we're just creating a new mesh meta.
ā€¢Buff xp a tiny tiny bit
ā€¢ Make the spear spin like it was in head to head

muted condor
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You all are just trying to give me an aneurism

compact tundra
muted condor
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The shadow government is trying to kill me with horrible balancing takes

unkempt moss
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So one part I'm struggling with is that goo grenade is removed from light, as there are no more gadget crossovers between the builds. Goo Grenade is exclusive to medium. Goo gives light a lot of survivability and I dont know how to tackle that.

muted condor
chilly granite
unkempt moss
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Norcomma wants your balance takes, dont worry about Gouf patch.

chilly granite
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use my spreadsheet I sent you, you should be able to make a copy and play with numbers to find a nice hp pool where medium is highly vunlerable while also being able to use goo to keep themselves alive

muted condor
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Youā€™re takes are just a bit miss directed as a TDM player but these animals are trying to kill me

chilly granite
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the biggest problem in the game is the hp gap between light -> med -> heavy makes balancing a lot of weapons bad

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yeah I do realize that a lot of my takes are tdm biased where weapon numbers beat situational powre

muted condor
compact tundra
chilly granite
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However, I think that TDM is somewhat the foundation of the game - fundmental gunplay should be sound, and balancing for advanced/strategic game modes is easier if the weapon balance is good to start with

compact tundra
muted condor
chilly granite
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give medium 150hp and dome shield and Im happy

I do not think this is how thegame should be balanced but I do think it would be funny

muted condor
chilly granite
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my firm opinion is that dome shield should be deleted

do what needs to be done to fix heavy after, but dome is gross

unkempt moss
chilly granite
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my firm opinion is that mines should only be on the sniper class that can get oneshot by mines (cough cough light)

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I don't think mines are good gameplay for pushing into, and they make more sense on the most fragile class who is most likely to die and be unable to press button

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and I think the victim should be the abuser

unkempt moss
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Norcomma agrees with you.

muted condor
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I share air with these troglodytes!

chilly granite
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tbh I don't really get why mines exist in a dynamism shooter at all

muted condor
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Every post gets worse

unkempt moss
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Yeah, Norcomma doesnt know why they exist in a dynamism shooter either. He wants mines exclusive to light.

chilly granite
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mines are very "dynamism" put it on the floor and wait

muted condor
chilly granite
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so dynamic vrey wow so much ism

muted condor
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I have to get off this fucking planet

unkempt moss
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I'm glad that I know you speak for him now. I can just assume that if bow user drops it in a monologue it has the backing of one other person without question. An extension of Bow User.

muted condor
unkempt moss
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Bowcomma

muted condor
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Make them dynamic

chilly granite
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that's a nice play

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I really need to try controller on steamdeck, I had two controller players aimlock on me really hard in my cashouts last night

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I need to decide if the aim assist is really op or if it was just luck/skill?

muted condor
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It would be cool if they added a force mine that just pushed people. Probably wouldnā€™t be meta but you could do fun played and set ups

chilly granite
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PULSE MINE FROM ARC

unkempt moss
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@compact tundra
The main thing with the patch is theres two types of changes. There's baseline changes and there's "never ever" changes. Things that I think would be fun but I know wont ever be accepted.

muted condor
chilly granite
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good take

that can be the fat people's mine

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and then heavy can shoot it to sticky jummp

muted condor
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Push people onto a pre placed jump pad off the map

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Wait, thatā€™s actually not a bad movement idea for heavy

chilly granite
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give it a small explosion when it's shot so there's a hp cost

muted condor
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We might be Cooking rn

chilly granite
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no explosion for normal activation

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heavy loses explosive mine as a trade

muted condor
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Who like that mine anyways itā€™s boring

chilly granite
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idk what the tradeoffs on the existing mines are tbh

muted condor
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Explosive mine is outdated in the current game

chilly granite
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but I don't think that any class should be able to, self-host a oneshot kill

indigo nexus
chilly granite
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without huge commitment/barrrels

muted condor
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The only way heavy can do it is c4 on pyro mines

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Itā€™s not very viable ether

chilly granite
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I think medium can do it though???

muted condor
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Not that I know of

unkempt moss
placid slate
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I want sledgehammer discriminatory nerfs

chilly granite
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are whole teams just using all their mines to kill just me?

muted condor
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Real

chilly granite
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that's fucking bullying

placid slate
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Like shit that just fucks over sledge and nothing else so I can point and laugh at them

muted condor
chilly granite
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oh dude they're totally waiting for cooldown lol

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I've seen my teammates do it hahahaha

muted condor
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I mean if they are sitting in one spot and just placing mines on the same spot thatā€™s asking to lose

chilly granite
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until you oneshot the enemy light who's carrying his team lol

I'm still salty I lost that game

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they had 5 mines in one spot

muted condor
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I havenā€™t played it in over a season so I donā€™t know if it even works anymore

chilly granite
muted condor
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The game plays completely different and just straight gun fights matter less

compact tundra
# indigo nexus I donā€™t really agree with the implication that the balance interactions regardin...

I've actually been finding recently that I like the balance of point break the most, outside of spawn points and cashbox placements. It's a game mode where I can't think of a weapon, gadget, or spec that doesn't have a good use case outside of dual blades and maybe vortex, I'm really liking it cause snipers have a place to shine, GL's have a place to shine, melees have a place to shine, flamethrowers and shotguns have a place to shine, and the automatics and meta still shine here too. It's really cool to look at just how many weapons have use cases or straight up viability in that game mode and I wouldn't be mad if we saw point break get a ranked mode and a tournament bracket at the majors or even become the main bracket

chilly granite
compact tundra
chilly granite
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8v8 is bad for comp thouhg, it's too many people to keep ttrack of

placid slate
compact tundra
chilly granite
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5v5 is the max for spectator fps esports

ow killed itself via 6v6

compact tundra