💣┇weapons-gadgets

[shell sonnet]

imo loadout versitility is nice, so id go with the latter
just gotta watch out for balance issues, but thats being done anyways

opens up a lot more creativity and potentially combos

[unkempt moss]

The problem is I dont really see a glaring weakness that the Googun has.

[hardy dust]

Im not saying its not good, and I don't think anyone else is either. But it trades efficiency for versatility, which makes it worse than dedicated focused tools while giving you more options

[unkempt moss]

Id agree with that if it wasn't great at pretty much everything.

[shell sonnet]

thinking about it
unlike cns it cant defend you as well if rushed down when using mgl
but i didnt try goocooning when rushed down yet

[swift agate]

Its weakness is only that is doesn't have any notable strength apart from being generally usable in most situations. It works everywhere, but it's not the best anywhere

And that's totally fine

[unkempt moss]

And after hundreds of hours on it, im telling you theres a lot of places it is best at. Id say a majority of them.

[sudden pewter]

The archetypes were designed to have certain strengths, you can see the descriptions of the archetypes when creating a loadout for your contestant

[serene glade]

If you wanna go with that then sure

[sudden pewter]

If you wanna go with the descriptions of the archetypes available in game then sure

Will do!

[serene glade]

Yeah that's what I said redditard, glad you retyped it?

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856827759179071488/1334268093089845360/attachment-6-1.gif

[serene glade]

Average greener iq

[unkempt moss]

Hes saying they aren't doing that even if theres some in game texts. Hes making the argument that they need to pick a lane, not just put text in the game with their idea.

[sudden pewter]

The available specs generally push a contestant further into a designated archetype role. A Mesh Heavy leans more into defense while C&S may be more Breach focused

[indigo nexus]

no, he's making the argument that everything I say is correct!

[unkempt moss]

If I put text in my game that says you wont get slapped here. But sometimes ypu do, then there isnt consistency there. Hes making the argument that the archetypes aren't consistent enough as they give a version of everything to everyone.

At least thats how I interpret it.

[swift agate]

The technical roles each class fill aren't entirely determined by the class design itself. They're interchangeable and liquid, and mostly depend on the needs of the specific team composition you're running.

Arguing that they don't exist at all is really stupid, and the class designs absolutely suggest the limits of what type or role you can and cannot fill on any specific class, but they're not these rigid structures that can be written into the code. They're emergent charictaristics of teamwork in action based on the tools provided to each player

[sudden pewter]

So Light shouldn’t have breach charges because Heavy is supposed to be the one specializing in demolition?
(Using his presumed logic)

[unkempt moss]

No, hes saying that he's fine with everything being everything, or locking in roles. So youre partially understanding what he said, but not infering enough from it.

[muted condor]

We all know you’re the most reasonable person here

[unkempt moss]

But this half and half approach isnt good to him. Because they talk about roles and then do everything in their power to undermine the roles by giving the classes everything.

If I was to take what he said and take the most logical inference I could from it.

[serene glade]

Game design and balance is limited by the roles, but then every class gets access to other classes "gimmicks". But we can't give heavy a movement option because "dat would be bad skull emoji"

[indigo nexus]

'cause it would be too synergistic with tools whose limitations are based on the current status quo

[weak kernel]

from my pov when you're actively getting fired upon the goo gun isn't that effective compared to

holding up a shield so your teammates can immediately and safely deal with the problem
yanking the problem into instant death range
pulverizing the problem if they're closeby

you could try to goo the shooter but that's a little more awkward, more room for failure, more difficult to capitalize on and traditionally had more counterplay compared to the other options

[indigo nexus]

heavy being the slow class is almost as baked into its design as its identity as a tank

[swift agate]

It would be bad for the same reason light doesn't get 350 health and medium doesn't get a mesh shield. Those would overstep the bounds of the fundumental class design

[serene glade]

So it's the tank class got it

[muted condor]

Oooooo are we on the same ”give heavy movement” argument again?

[shell sonnet]

does have 0 cooldown (disregarding the reload)

[unkempt moss]

Im not trying to be an ass here, but i want to genuinely understand where youre coming from. How much time would you say you have on the GooGun?

[muted condor]

I personally don’t like playing goo gun buts it’s one of the best specs (to my knowledge)

[unkempt moss]

It is. It's the best in the game. Say it with your chest.

[muted condor]

C&S could really use some tweaking. Its a bit outdated in the current game and doesn’t have the versatility that the other heavy specs have

Not horrible by any means but is falling behind the other options

[unkempt moss]

Make it a hulk jump. I know that people dont want heavy being mobile but it would so fun.

[weak kernel]

not too much frankly, I like the idea of it but mesh, charge, especially winch always seemed to get better results- just took goo nade for fortification, mobility and junk

[muted condor]

This guy does not know the forbidden goo gun lore

[weak kernel]

it's like "oh i could goo lock the problem and run up to it and kill it" vs "i winch the problem and it's immediately gone without the need for me to take any risk whatsoever"

[unkempt moss]

It replaces a lot of the kit on heavy if you get used to it. Trust me. It is a barricade mesh shield. It is a winch. It is antigrav and dome. It shuts down mines and explosives.

[muted condor]

Why are you goo locking people? That’s a funny strat but not very good usually

[indigo nexus]

goo gun is in many cases better than mesh shield for survivability, better than winch at disabling opponents, and, er, has some other utility. It just doesn't have the winch's fabled "pull an enemy into an instakill chamber" trait

[placid slate]

Goo locking is a sin

[muted condor]

Has its uses but if that’s all you’re using it for you’re definitely underutilizing it’s ability

[unkempt moss]

I'd argue goolocking is strong because it stop incoming damage as well.

[indigo nexus]

It's good in many scenarios

[swift agate]

Though it's worth noting that being better than mesh shield isn't a very high bar

[muted condor]

I think you might be my soul partner

[placid slate]

What

[indigo nexus]

Eh. Mesh shield is only really suffering because glitch nade takes it out so well. Or, maybe I'm oversimplifying that, but it's not bad at its job.

[muted condor]

All of your takes are valid af

We should burn goo lockers at the stake

[unkempt moss]

Id say next season really try to learn and develop your googun tech. Its truly busted.

[shell sonnet]

we have exposure immunity to that

[unkempt moss]

These people cannot open their mind to it. They will deny its dominance. But if you can see what they cant, you will crush people with it.

[swift agate]

Not really, it's a pretty weak spec over all imo. I've never had a particularly difficult time dealing with a mesh shield without glitch, it just kind of makes the heavy a sitting duck with more health. This isn't to say it can't be effective when used to assist teammates, but even then, that's 1/3 of your damage output in a teamfight not being used to do something that can be done to basically the same effect with a dome shield, or sometimes even a wall

[unkempt moss]

Do you see how they.immediately deny it as a top tier mobility option? Its because they have no clue of its strength.

It does everything except destruction, and its good at it all.

[indigo nexus]

Dome shields being really good doesn't really help sell it, since it's over two dome shields of strength. It's good at most ranks for wasting enemy bullets and messing up their kills more than anything though

[shell sonnet]

aaaaaaaaabout that...

i did find a 90% reliable way to break ceilings with goo nade
pretty sure the goo gun ceiling break also still works, im working on the few times it also worked sideways

[coral imp]

for googun to be a good mobility option wouldn't it have to be at least as good as the other dedicated mobility gadgets? it very clearly isn't

[unkempt moss]

Confirmed, its incredible at everything. Ive noticed it breaking things lately but assumed it was a bug.

[unkempt moss]

Id say it does a lot of their job well, AND it shuts down other mobility options well.

[shell sonnet]

i mean, you get onto buildings like grappling hook, with less cooldown even
just not as fast

it can take you where a dash light would go, just not in bursts

[unkempt moss]

Its one of the only tools that stops gateways from teleporting vaults.

[shell sonnet]

...what happens if the gateway exit is fully covered?

does it warp it to the nearest viable space?
does it just not eleport?
does it destroy nearby placed goo?

[unkempt moss]

I think it just destroys the goo. Im not sure.

But I just gooscoot the vault away and let them stand 70m away like idiots

[shell sonnet]

gonna test rq

[shell sonnet]

place a c4+mine under it if they check 🔥

[coral imp]

i think the speed at which you can traverse is kinda important, the googun can do the job of several mobility gadgets but nowhere near as fast, which makes it fundamentally worse as a mobility option

[shell sonnet]

well, positioning is probably a better term for goo gun

[unkempt moss]

This argument is used a lot but I think the value of being able to do these things without a cooldown means theres potential where you can do what they do but faster and more often.

[shell sonnet]

also true

i wish we could go to more maps like monaco quick cash tutorial
like seouls crane area or something

its greatly hindering my dipshit science

[unkempt moss]

If you use your jump pad, youre out of it for a while. I will "slowly" increase my elevation multiple times. I will zipline multiple times over multiple buildings to your one.

[muted condor]

C&S is the real best spec

Haters gonna hate but they can’t just eat concrete like true heavy chads

[shell sonnet]

destroys on activation

now what happens if i throw more goo into the goo jail

[unkempt moss]

Like I said though, these guys can stay ignorant to GooGun strength. Keep begging for winch nerfs or just play googun and shut it down easily.

[shell sonnet]

seems to vanish

[weak kernel]

i got autobanned for saying launch mesh was evil but instead of evil i called it a certain dictator's name which is apparently off-limits

[unkempt moss]

Theyre very scared of goo crashing servers again so im assuming when thebgame cant find a reasonable reaction to goo it just despawns

[unkempt moss]

People are sensitive here. It happens.

[shell sonnet]

uuuuh, gooking, yknow the goo nade trick for demolistion im talking about, right?

[unkempt moss]

No, I dont run goo grenade much anymore. I used to but GooGun kinda makes it redundant.

But if I can use it for destruction I may pick it up again.

[shell sonnet]

i can find the clip, hold on

[unkempt moss]

Is this easily repeatable?

[shell sonnet]

decently reliable, but not 100%
make sure the goo nade lands squarely on top of the other

works on monaco as well

[unkempt moss]

And can it work on a vertical surface?

[shell sonnet]

pretty much i think

doing it rn and its a bit fucky
may just be shooting range tho

[unkempt moss]

Ill play with it.

[shell sonnet]

horizontal, but only upwards
seems like the upper goo needs to intersect, if not surpass the roof though

rn its just jiggleing around in the building, may have changed, im testing

[unkempt moss]

I wonder if this is possible with a pillar made from the gun

[shell sonnet]

thats what has been used to breach the ceiling using it, but thats also been fucky

[unkempt moss]

Like two glob pillar, grenade on top. Break pillar.

[shell sonnet]

got it just now

seemed to be more reliable before
(or i just lost my rythm)

wtf, it just deleted a propane canister

[sudden pewter]

Reasonable? Sure, but I’m not infallible.

[shell sonnet]

stupid idea in the works

ah, forgot barricades just garrys mod ragdoll when in a wall, too bad

attaching goo doesnt do anything either

[unkempt moss]

Maybe there will be some fun when they allow the barricades to clip walls.

Return of GooFO

[shell sonnet]

looking forward to it

what about chuck maybe...

well uuuh
something worked

well well well

if we find out why exactly this works, we may be 1 step closer to fully utilizing goo

very likely not chuck related, and just goo stuck in the ceiling (again)
but who knows

[unkempt moss]

There's definitely some sort of reaction to non anchored goo in a ceiling.

[shell sonnet]

thats basically how the goo nade shit works anyways

probably got nowhere to go, and in trying to move, the pressure it acts out destroys the wall
like how the ps platform instantly pulverises buildings it touches

though that one likely has a kill on contact thingy, since stuff falling on it slowly crumbles anyways (best seen on kyoto)

[shell sonnet]

never got it to work sideways though, despite being somewhat do-able upwards

probably since goo is hard coded to make a 5x2 in an

xxxxx
xxxxx

shape, which is easy to get into the ceiling
but not sideways

ok, ive got 1 more stupid idea left in me today

[unkempt moss]

youre doing gods work, son

[shell sonnet]

it didnt work

my theory was
"well, what if we just dont give the goo space to wiggle into, aka. spam goo in a single line, to fill the whole room"

but i may have done it wrong, gonna repeat

[sudden pewter]

Fixed for next season

Barricades can be placed in walls and its placement restrictions have been eased to make it less frustrating which is huge

[shell sonnet]

nothing

why tf does titan 1-shot ziplines?

found a new way to clip through walls
2/2 so far

3/3

ok, not as reliable, got lucky

i came looking for copper, and found fucking midas touch that instantly bans whoever touches it

you may get your rocket jump after all
if i can fucking figure out how this works

and works again
it worked more often than it failed

[unkempt moss]

How so?

[shell sonnet]

got launched like a monaco house high
but i have yet to figure out how to use it "normally"
and i probably still wouldnt risk it probably with what its related to, dont wanna get my ass booted

probably gonna check in with mods some time when i stop procrastinating
no harm done since its not being used

sorry if i wrongfully got your hopes up
its like 1am and i didnt sleep well

[sudden pewter]

Goo launch I’m assuming

[unkempt moss]

Its not serious, bud. You dont need to apologize.

[shell sonnet]

Elaborate?

[sudden pewter]

If you have a Goo barrel and a large enough prop you can throw the barrel on the right side and launch the prop while also destroying it, the momentum of which launches the contestant

[shell sonnet]

Ive seen that, with boxed
But they only went sideways, not upwards

[sudden pewter]

Certainly varies on the prop, some height is generally attainable, smaller props are often more erratic and can result in more height at the cost of distance

I’ve only done it a few times though so I’m not the best source of info on the intricacies of goo launching

[vocal flume]

bro what is this stupid ass mode, i get shot direct and a shot next to me kills me in this stupid event garbage, i do the exact same shit and my stuff doesnt kill. my goodness man this games servers are so ass

[eager wasp]

i would hope that they would never bring it back, but a surprising amount of people for some awful reason like this mode

[plucky spade]

Blast off?

[eager wasp]

YES

[unkempt moss]

Its pretty fun.

The servers make it kind of a mess but its quick to finish the challenges and move on without being super boring.

[eager wasp]

its one of those modes that are fun for one game and then its just pure misery7

[unkempt moss]

For some I'm sure. If you ever enjoyed old arena shooters it kinda feels like a half baked version of that.

I'm just glad there's no fomo wheel attached to it

Its not as good as super cashball but its better than the spear knock out mode.

[eager wasp]

blast off is like #1 worst mode followed by snowball blitz

cashball #1 forever and always, i love cashball, cashball should stay forever

[plucky spade]

Nah blast off is really fun for me, not my problem you can't predict trajectories

[unkempt moss]

Did they buff the mgl for season 9 at all?

[plucky spade]

Mgl rework getting half life 3 status

[unkempt moss]

I got one primed and ready for them if they need help. Let me know, Embark.

They can have it for free

[eager wasp]

its not that i suck at it, its just really boring

[plucky spade]

True, it needs a lightning gun

And knockback to style on gamers

[unkempt moss]

Welp, it sounds like most people agree with you they'll hopefully never bring it back.

[eager wasp]

well people didn't like the first one that much and they brought it back anyways so

[unkempt moss]

People seem to be very vocal this time, probably because they made the mistake of bringing it back.

[silent mural]

season 28 MGL rework

[unkempt moss]

Dont put that evil on me

[silent mural]

Terminal Attack coming back as ranked is more likely than MGL rework.. or even MGL buff

[unkempt moss]

I wouldn't even mind if Terminal Attack was a quick play mode for people that liked it.

If a fighting game can survive with like 300 players im sure TA can do it with a few thousand.

[hardy dust]

Most ltms suck after lile 2-3 games

Always limited loadouts, you don't have any variety in how you play and there's some bs contract saying you gotta play 20 games 😭

[summer skiff]

I think it would be fun to have an ltm with light only as currently the only ones we've gotten where classes are locked have been either heavy or light.

My suggestion is the bomb game from crab game (might have gotten the name wrong.)

TL;DR One person has a bomb that after a certain amount of time blows up and kills them. Tagging another player means they get the bomb and the bomb timer is restarts. Each timer for the bomb is player specific meaning if you get re-tagged the timer will be go back to what it was once you transferred.

Just a little idea

[wild swan]

is mgl rework good ?

[dry widget]

Trick to using the CL-40?

[indigo nexus]

prioritise high ground and maintaining the lower end of medium range I suppose, try to peek around corners for each shot where possible

[dry widget]

I mean for Sour Core

[cerulean furnace]

Dual Blades deflecting Winch would be funny

[gritty swallow]

am getting kinda bored of using the same weapons again and again in powershift what are some fun weapons I could use in powershift that aren't: flamthower, dubbel barrel, sniper,CL40,M60 . Prefferably somthing with not that high of a skill floor but with a decent skill cealing

[plucky spade]

Learn to predict the person's trajectory, try to fire after they use their dash, the enemy is easiest to hit midair when they move directly to or away from you

[plucky spade]

Tru

[dusky field]

Id say try Fcar, ARN, Model, Deagles, Lewis gun, M26 Matter and Revolver

[gritty swallow]

ok but don't you NEED to hit headshots with deagles for it to be usable?

[edgy estuary]

Man bow better get a buff with all the shield meta that is gonna be S9, it is already harder with the addition of healing and losing a glitch will be rough.

[vast spade]

This would be such a nice change

[dusky field]

Yup

[cerulean furnace]

I did say it was funny but I honestly wouldn't mind that. Def would add to Dbls toolkit, as it really doesn't have much, and what they have barely works

Deflects don't even count headshots😔

[muted condor]

They are getting a buff today

[spring spear]

you miss out on damage if you dont hit headshots consistently but that doesnt really matter at lower levels, only at higher rank/esports level

[gritty swallow]

what glitch does it loose?

[edgy estuary]

Not a glitch with the weapon, light is losing a glitch grenade charge.

[gritty swallow]

ah that makes more sense, I somhow know nothing about the new season other then that the new gamemode is 8v8.

[edgy estuary]

Yeah there are always things left out of the preview, or changes that are added between so I’m hoping for something.

[placid slate]

It's literally just that and a map

[gritty swallow]

also balance changes right? if not, that would be wierd

[cerulean furnace]

Oh I know, excited to see how it is ingame. Seems like it'll only matter towards Heavy Players, which are the ones I seem to never be able to take out

[deep mason]

@thorny jewel They also buffed rpg 110 damage so they can later fix it and say they r making major balance changes to fix the game so u can look forward to that instead of new content.

Same thing with p90 range buff,it's supposed to be a close range hip fire smg but they it's already way to accurate.

How many seasons it took for them to realise ks23 a precision weapon should have good accuracy?!

Oh yea they r shaking up the meta,such a big deal.

Gateway gadget suddenly and randomly bounces off the wall I throw and opens somewhere else then I intended.

[copper hazel]

it will never get a buff :D

[indigo nexus]

yes

[placid slate]

They look very bland

[placid slate]

@muted condor 100 damage dual blades 3rd m1

1 cycle a heavy with qm

[safe arch]

Hey qts how u see this

[placid slate]

Fym qts I'm not telling you shit now

[compact tundra]

Gateway my boy, first sword, now gateway. These filthy animals keep blowing my back out

[placid slate]

I can do that without a patch

[glad orchid]

Ok gateway is justified for sure tho

[compact tundra]

Nuh-uh

[glad orchid]

Agree to disagree ig xd

[placid slate]

Where the defib changes, or dome?

[glad orchid]

Dome now counters winch, defib was reworked a couple seasons ago

[wild zenith]

is thermal bore faster than breach charge now?

[placid slate]

I thought we were gonna go on about stuff with a 100% pick rate getting nerfed or something

[glad orchid]

Well its more of the fact that the utility encroaches on what other gadgets can do, not whether the gadgets have the highest pickrates alone i think

[charred apex]

did weapon and gadget meta change much or nah

i feel like meta weapons are basically still the same not counting light

[glad orchid]

Winch has counter now :D

[wild zenith]

v9s is overbuffed

[glad orchid]

Give it time xd

[placid slate]

Oh boo hoo it's not strictly worse than the m11 now

[charred apex]

i feel like theyre almost all equally good now

the heavy abilities but winch claw could underperform a lil bit

[wild zenith]

prepatch, it had more range, more damage per mag, faster reload, and less recoil

[glad orchid]

Maybe, im not a heavy main so i wouldnt know, but glitch is still a thing so who knows

[placid slate]

While also being completely inferior

[wild zenith]

because?

[glad orchid]

Dps

[wild zenith]

the ttk was nearly identical

[placid slate]

M11 has full auto and got to run and gun

[glad orchid]

Dps+ease of use then ig

[charred apex]

means its much easier to use aswell

[glad orchid]

It will be interesting to see

[wild zenith]

the max fire rate isnt high at all

[indigo nexus]

the era of the V9S is finally upon us

[charred apex]

lowkey feel like m60 is gonna be meta along with minigun

[indigo nexus]

I said that the weapon was already fine. They didn't listen! And now they will all suffer for it

[placid slate]

Twin it's been 30 minutes

[charred apex]

minigun didnt need a buff imo

bfr is still gna be meta right?

[placid slate]

Yeah

[charred apex]

wait dual blades lowkey massive buff

still gonna be Btier tho LOL

[left blaze]

Dual blades got a buff, which is great, but the poor spear man

[charred apex]

i feel like spear deserves a buff more than blades

[thorn condor]

where you the buffs and changes ?

[undone quarry]

i think a nice buff, because before you would just melee instead of finishing the combo

[placid slate]

Spin cancel lives another season though, same with fling

[undone quarry]

true

[placid slate]

Billiards is a byproduct of fling so that's here too

[charred apex]

model returning into meta?

[charred apex]

ngl everytime melees become remotely good, games are going to be like shit

[left blaze]

Wait, I didn’t know those existed. I need to know now

[charred apex]

if they make melees meta its genuinely over

[placid slate]

Sledge almost did prior to season 7

[serene glade]

yeah i wanna only play call of duty, so only make the call of duty guns good. based

[undone quarry]

yeah, but it should be buffed sligthly (maybe more movement speed with melee weapons)

[charred apex]

itll genuinely be unfun to play agaisnt tho if melee's become meta

[muted condor]

As a melee enjoyer I can agree melee should not be as viable with how they currently work

[placid slate]

You mean meta, not viable

[charred apex]

except light right?

[muted condor]

Yeah

[undone quarry]

yes, i don't want a faster dashing sword user appearing behind a corner

[muted condor]

Spear and hammer are in a good spot right now and I wouldn’t want them buffed any more

[charred apex]

spear is not in a good spot imo

[undone quarry]

but especially medium has no way to catch up to a good enemy

[charred apex]

exactly

[undone quarry]

hammer debateable, spear not

[muted condor]

It’s only bad because of hit detection

[charred apex]

idk i feel like its the only melee wep thats not as fun to use

[muted condor]

Without the hit detection problems it’s on par with hammer now

[charred apex]

the others are fun to use and unfun to play agaisnt

spear is just unfun to play agaisnt but thats cuz melee just isnt fun to play agaisnt

[muted condor]

True

[placid slate]

Because mfs don't know about spin cancel

[muted condor]

Real

[charred apex]

gulp

[placid slate]

Especially new spin cancel

[wild zenith]

for some reason embark cant imagine melee as anything other than silly easy beginner weapons

[placid slate]

7.6 moment

[muted condor]

Melee is just so simple to be anything other than what it is now

If they buffed them they would be zero effort crutches

[charred apex]

wait no p90 buffs??

[wild zenith]

good

[placid slate]

Spear could get m1 damage buffs and still need effort to use

[charred apex]

i thought they were gonna buff p90 since akm and fcar is basically better

[indigo nexus]

have you checked that they didn't just remove that? Patch notes say they prevented some kind of animation cancelling on melee weapons

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-24337002

[wild zenith]

there was an exploit to swing faster i think it was that

[placid slate]

That's for the rapid m1s, spin cancel is safe

[indigo nexus]

I see

[charred apex]

idk if i should use p90

[placid slate]

Dont

[wild zenith]

p90 has pretty cool hipfire

[dusty saddle]

What is the multi device

[compact tundra]

Where the melees at? I mean dual blades is nice but that's fucking pocket change buff for the weapon thats been bottom 1 since release

[placid slate]

Tablet

[wild zenith]

its not meta, but its a really low effort gun

[charred apex]

didnt they change demat and p90 i swear i heard about buffs for them both

[dusty saddle]

What class is it for

[wild zenith]

im a little sad they didnt go through with the healing nerfs

[normal crag]

guys where can i see the nerfs and buffs??

[placid slate]

All of them

[compact tundra]

Reachthefinals.com

[wild zenith]

mostly medium

i dont think light uses the tablet

[charred apex]

yea they literally did not touch med almost cuz they didnt go through with ALOT of the med changes thats why it seems like med is neglected

[placid slate]

Formerly did before they removed thermal (before winch btw)

[left sage]

With all the waiting around for balance changes I was kind of expecting at least SOMETHING would get a big rework

[compact tundra]

I fucking agree

[charred apex]

wheres the barricade change??

[charred apex]

highkey disappointing balance season, they did NOT go along with alot of the changes they wanted to make, it feels like a small patch instead of a season change

[left sage]

Winch getting blocked is about the only thing that feels seasonal

[charred apex]

true

[serene glade]

nothingburger season tbh. embark stays doing as little as possible, honestly gotta give them props for keeping this up for so long

[muted condor]

One of the most lack luster seasons yet it seems

[compact tundra]

I'm really hoping they have balance changes lined up for the whole season, we gotta get those melee reworks soon please embark we need them. Also if we're nerfing the meta then why was repeater left untouched, fuck poke meta I want mgl meta

[left sage]

I mean for all intents and purposes the BFR didn't get a nerf either

3 rpm? Whatever will I do

[compact tundra]

I want that goofy double explosion glitch to come back so when there's an mgl in the room above me I get nam flashbacks

[compact tundra]

I think it'd be fine with a bit of a range nerf and a more meaningful ks-23 buff

[keen ibex]

In Season 8 I reached Emerald 1, but I only received the Sniper weapon skin and the Heavy Revolver skin. Can someone help me understand why I didn’t get the Emerald skin for the P90 and the other weapons that should come with Emerald 1?

[compact tundra]

Cause if ks-23 was good then BFR would have 2.5 side-grades
D-eagles
Ks-23
Lewis gun is similar enough to warrant .5

[viscid trail]

I love and main the repeater, but it really is way too good

[left sage]

I'm just pissed ks23 didn't get a hipfire buff

[compact tundra]

Like I don't want it nuked but it's a little too good rn, same for FAMAS I want that bitch slapped down

Oh

I'm green now, that looks weird

[viscid trail]

Maybe a reload/fire speed reduction or ammo count
Can’t really change the damage imo

[mellow furnace]

One of my friend was expecting a sniper rifle buff (one shot the medium in the head). Would that be a bit too overkill ?
I don't have much experience with/agaisnt the sniper rifle has an heavy player

[viscid trail]

Honestly, it’s a sniper, I feel like that would be fine.
But it would need a rework of some sort to balance out that kind of firepower

[mellow furnace]

Yeah, putting more rate of fire like on the bfr

[compact tundra]

Yea that's a lot, snipers don't really fit this games playstyle and buffing them to be better insta kills would really hurt the game imo, especially powershift

[muted condor]

A weapon having the same break points on different classes never works well

[compact tundra]

Double barrel 💀

[viscid trail]

t-bag ALL db players.
No exceptions

[oblique crypt]

Yeah, I've been using the sniper recently and as much as it's unsatisfying to headshot a medium it's probably for the best.

[muted condor]

And it’s a mid weapon because of that

[mellow furnace]

Yeah, I guess it fits well with a minimum of team coordination

[keen ibex]

In Season 8 I reached Emerald 1, but I only received the Sniper weapon skin and the Heavy Revolver skin. Can someone help me understand why I didn’t get the Emerald skin for the P90 and the other weapons that should come with Emerald 1?

[timber sparrow]

Rest in peace 93r

[compact tundra]

Double barrels are either useless or team melters and there's no in-between

[mellow furnace]

Depends on the map, I guess.
But you gotta have a millions of fps and a 100$ mouse to use the best

[viscid trail]

That’s a solid 1/3 of light weapons though 😬
That and I’m dogshit so…

[oblique crypt]

Gotta start using dual blades this season.

[mellow furnace]

Yeah, the buff is game changer, and got that stunning animation from the battle pass

Glad my flamethrower didn't got nerfed

Wasn't using the wench, so I'm not complete trash...

[left sage]

In what world would flamethrower ever catch a nerf

[compact tundra]

Flame thrower does not warrant any kind of nerf, bruh if they nerfed it I'd chimp out

[drifting forum]

no new weapons, no new specs, no new gadgets. catch yall in s10
😴😴😴

[left sage]

Actually pyro mines got nerfed nvm who even knows

[mellow furnace]

It's the only weapon I can use with my third world ping

[serene glade]

you think they are gonna make any changes then even lmao. shits over

[heady steppe]

was there weapon changes?

where to see them ?

[drifting forum]

https://www.reachthefinals.com/patchnotes/900
@heady steppe just a few changes. pretty disappointing tbh

[mellow furnace]

Yeah, but more on the gadget and heavy specialization

That rpg buff looks scary

[serene glade]

it changes like nothing?

[mellow furnace]

There would be less 1 hp situation against light
And way more damage against multiple players

[serene glade]

i promise you its gonna be the exact same

[mellow furnace]

Yeah, the main usage remains the same, but might help in some specific situations

[left sage]

Might be a few breakpoints changed against lights but shouldn't be a big difference, still makes no sense it happened

[mellow furnace]

They said something about goo, but since I'm a barricade user, don't know why

But if that shit burns down more quickly, i'm in

[compact tundra]

Na I use that shit on controller on my Xbox. Just get close enough to see the crust on their plumbers crack and it's good

[serene glade]

if a change that they even mentioned in their sacred texts that only changes goo interactions and shouldnt have any impact on PvP ends up changing things drastically. i think it just shows how incompetent they are at balance

[eager wasp]

its easier to destroy with explosions

they then buffed the rpg a little to also help it destroy goo better

[left sage]

It's just weird that the only explosive they specifically buffed for "goo" is the one that has been meta the entire games lifespan

[mellow furnace]

Yeah, most the time i was losing because I didn't knew at which distance to shoot efficiently. And hesitation cost always a lot

[eager wasp]

well they also did absolutely nothing about bfr, repeater, and gave no buffs to any struggling melee, there was just a whole lot of nothing this season, this feels more like a weekly update, not a new season

[crisp urchin]

true

[compact tundra]

The double barrel needs to be breath smelling distance, outside of the your just pestering and baiting, which is useful for its own reasons

[mellow furnace]

Well, beside the ultimate battle pass that clearly got a lot of work putted on

[eager wasp]

first skin is absolute peak

[oblique crypt]

They did nerf the bfr though... A tiny bit

[left sage]

A 2.5% fire rate nerf

[serene glade]

cool how they still do weekly patches, just every 3 or so months now

[mellow furnace]

Yeah, way better than all the other skins from the previous season

[mellow furnace]

Arc raiders is the priority now. But it will never compete with the finals level of customization

[serene glade]

ive been putting off trying arc raiders, but with the direction this game has been going ever since the introduction of their stupid esport thing, might as well give it a try

[left sage]

It's fun and has great moments but over time the PvE is really getting pushed out by the PVP

[mellow furnace]

Have the same opinion. But hard to balance this kind of stuff

[left sage]

Arc just need to hunt players WAY more aggressively

Want to PVP? Go for it but they hear it too

[mellow furnace]

Yeah, especially with raider downed flairs. It shouldn't just attracts other, but also arcs

And maybe give more exact location, like on the map or something

And maybe an in-match bounty system that player who got downed could pay to put on the they raider that downed them

Extraction shooter gta-like before gta VI

[frozen kindle]

Putting all these grenades to 1 be making them less used now…and yall said yall wanted the grenade to be used more…it wont bring stuff back to 2

[muted condor]

The problem with arc raiders is there is zero reason to participate in PvE at all

The game activity punishes you for trying to do it

Every aspect of the game encourages killing other players and makes PvE the worst choice to make

[left sage]

Yup and for PVP there's just better games imo, third person plus high single shot damage weapons is garbage at times

Behold as I corner peak a trio to death with my shotgun

[sudden pewter]

I get they’re trying to encourage interactions between players but it’s not a 50/50 split between friend or foe it’s heavily weighted

[muted condor]

Also some of the best weapons for PvP are the cheapest guns so you risk nothing while the pve weapon cost a fucking arm and a legs but have zero use in PvP

[solar dagger]

What weapons got nerfed

[sudden pewter]

All of them, we fight with our fists now

[viral ridge]

most noteable, the 93R

[left sage]

Only notable really

[solar dagger]

Finally! Been waiting for that fix

[muted condor]

Light only get one fist tho

[sudden pewter]

Light gets a finger to pick they nose with

[vocal stone]

Why did they give those magnificent skins to the cerb and mgl and didn't do any balance changes/rework for them? Feels like a really weird decision. Did i miss something, or maybe they commented on this matter in any form?

[compact tundra]

This season has me a bit worried. The developers had a whole season to cook up New balance changes while the marketing, PR, and management teams were handling the majors and this is all we get on launch. I'm going to keep holding out hope for the rest of season but honestly I'm a little scared Arc raiders is going to become their defining game

[fallow cobalt]

Picketh thy nostrils light mains!

[sturdy void]

dude can you guys please fix thermal vision rather than making new cosmetics like please

[sudden pewter]

Honestly, with how dry this season was due to the TGM’s I was hoping for a mile long list

[fallow cobalt]

I've been wondering where Thermal Vision has been, I honestly forgot about it tbh

[sudden pewter]

And they wanna do another TGM next year

[sturdy void]

i loved that gadget and its been gone for two seasons

it cant be that hard to fix

[fallow cobalt]

Hmm, I never used it too much, I was more of a hit and run or sniping player with light

[left sage]

Hopefully it doesn't go the way of the mgl rework

[sudden pewter]

Reworking, not “fixing”

[fallow cobalt]

The main reason it got turned off was because people abused smoke grenades with it in ranked, right?

[sturdy void]

its being reworked because it didn't work as intended so yes its a fix

[carmine moth]

Really wish they buffed the Cerberus just a tad.

[fallow cobalt]

Well, gtg, Bio class

[sudden pewter]

You mean it didn’t highlight enemies through smoke?

[sturdy void]

no it wouldn't highlight enemies in general sometimes. they would show up grey. not just through smoke

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-computer-smile-yellow-smile-surprised-gif-26981337

[sturdy void]

no image perms :(

[compact tundra]

Same, I feel like we should have seen quite a few of the lower use weapons get buffs or reworks and seen more top tier weapons receive nerfs/something to balance them out. Hell winch just got 2 hard counters and didn't even get it's previous nerf undone. I'm just confused as to how this balance patch, which is the same size as old weekly patches, is a season's worth of work considering no new items. I guess the game mode and map took work but not enough to justify such a weak season launch

[sudden pewter]

You’ll get there eventually little orange role

[winter jay]

Why would they undo a nerf for winch it’s still gonna be crazy good

[sudden pewter]

I’m fine with no new toys, not necessary given the current state of balance. The effort that would have gone towards new shiny keys to jingle in front of Light mains should have gone towards balancing what’s already in the game. The list is lackluster and is very disappointing given how much effort they put into TGM while ignoring the game beyond the event

[compact tundra]

I don't really think so, now winches most viable alt pick is it's hard counter, and it's also hard countered by the one gadget damn near every heavy runs

[compact tundra]

I agree, I didn't want new toys this season. But in return I expected a lot more in the balance section

[winter jay]

Still a kill on anyone you grab, and cashout manipulation

[winter jay]

Yea I didn’t play all of season 8 and I’m pretty sure nothing changed

[compact tundra]

Yes but the last nerf was just increasing the recharge, I think it'd be fair

[compact tundra]

I hard grinded season 8 and like I gotta wait till I get off to play but I feel like nothing is really gonna change, maybe less 93r lights and more model mediums

[winter jay]

All I’m thinking is more mesh less 93r yea

Like how did a whole season go by with zero balance changes

And the new season has like 5 actual real changes

[muted condor]

All the apologists that were saying we should just trust embark and they would make it up to the player base after ignoring them are tasting crazy boot right now

[winter jay]

The game is really fun but damn if this company isn’t like all the others

[undone panther]

No news about shield hitbox fix in the patch , so sad

[drifting forum]

im not gonna say what i normally say about devs, but ya, im definitely disappointed too. i stopped playing halfway through s8 (first time ive stopped playing) and was hoping this list completely changed the game. but it's the most minor changes. probably not coming back till s10 now 🙁 i miss when the finals was great

[sudden pewter]

I understand having all hands on deck for the Majors as shareholders infamously love Twitch viewership and related sales figures for cosmetic packs but I was really expecting more after almost two months of nothing

[muted condor]

Definitely one of the best shooters currently but could be way better

[winter jay]

It feels like season 8 and 9 are just gonna be one big long season unless the mid season is crazy

[sudden pewter]

Hopefully now that it’s over they can pick up the slack over the course of S9 but this is a kick in the balls

[muted condor]

I’m expecting a extraordinarily mid ass nothing burger of a season

[sudden pewter]

China themed season so that’s appropriate

[winter jay]

This is the Chinese season so all the resources will go towards the Chinese version

[sudden pewter]

I hope we get the ethnic death camps China is famous for in the new map

Maybe suicide nets on some buildings too

[undone panther]

another ninjass themed skin season zzzz

[winter jay]

A square where nothing happened (season 9) would be cool too

[gray bridge]

No new guns or gadgets?

[sudden pewter]

YOU WILL BUY THE FIFTH SAMURAI SKIN AND YOU WILL LIKE IT

[winter jay]

No. Now pay $30 for the ultimate pass

[muted condor]

I was sad when I saw they didn’t add any of those. Truly a staple in modern Chinese architecture

[sudden pewter]

Waiter! Waiter! 25 more skins for the ARN please!

[muted condor]

15 more hammer skins!

[winter jay]

Yea uh can we get the 343rd red and black outfit piece? Yea thanks

[serene glade]

i forgot what season it was, maybe 2 seasons ago where they said "this mid season balance patch will be one our biggest shifts to the game" or something like that, and nothing changed. so i have no hopes for a mid season fix

[undone panther]

and since ultimate battle pass thingy , ""premium"" battle pass reward are ass

[winter jay]

I didn’t buy the last 2 because they were ass, and even if this one isn’t I’m not buying it

Ultimate is so lame man

[sudden pewter]

I understand Embark is published by Nexon (owned by Tencent) so any China related themes would trigger anyone else’s gag reflex (contractual obligation to make China look good) but we already have so many Eastern themed cosmetics

[winter jay]

Literally whole battle pass, and I assume this one is the same

[sudden pewter]

S3 was Japan, I understand it’s not China. But holy fuck

[undone panther]

at the end of Kyoto season i was so bored of ninja / anime skin , and here we go again

[winter jay]

We have the Japan pass and the China pass. Can we get like an arc raiders themed one that game has a cool art style

[sudden pewter]

At least this season does a VR Spin in the modern-futuristic motif China fakes having access too

[undone panther]

put ferro in the game embark please

[sudden pewter]

If we don’t get a Toxic Smog variant for the new map I’d be pretty disappointed

[winter jay]

Walk outside and take damage 😂

[sudden pewter]

Shoutout to the Chinese guy who used a vacuum cleaner outside his house to condense the smog in the air into an actual brick

[placid slate]

Just saying that cannons can be moved now

[undone panther]

Covid 19 random event in the map , all player get wipe if they dont confine in the buildings

[winter jay]

The Chinese government is very familiar with this tactic it’s how they build their apartment blocks

[sudden pewter]

No, that’s Tofu and corn husks

[winter jay]

Wait the game is saved actually. Can light players finally load themselves into it and launch cross map?

[placid slate]

With some fuckery probably

[muted condor]

I don’t know if anyone got the same feeling from the new cosmetics but they give off a Chinese mobile game vibe for some reason

Makes me think of COD mobile and all those Pubg knock off games from a few years ago

[limpid flicker]

what new weapons and gadgets were added?

[muted condor]

None, just the new map

[limpid flicker]

RIP

[uncut condor]

its crazy how the one handed skin for the model makes it feel like a completely different gun

[lofty wedge]

Petition to let me buy the ultimate pass with multibucks

[sudden pewter]

China sponsored season (if the overview of the new map glazing China didn’t make it obvious) so that’s a given

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138130467057565747/1171054511222173746/caption-3.gif

[limpid flicker]

real

[muted condor]

Another thing that worries me about all the China influence is if they have any money in the game they might start trying to push their monetization and money based balancing

[compact tundra]

Normally I wouldn't care but honestly since they added mnk to console even when I turn off cross play just to enjoy a night of fun Xbox only lobbies I still have to deal with fucking mnk sweaties. So you know what, fuck it, if I gotta deal with your bullshit then you should have to deal with ours.

[stuck knot]

I don’t think embark would ever do that

[sudden pewter]

They need to fix crossplay off flagging players to only play with other non-crossplay players rather than putting them in lobbies with no console players

[muted condor]

Pre CCP Embark probably wouldn’t

[compact tundra]

I agree. Also don't get scared of the snapping, more than likely it'll actually make our aim worse

[slow linden]

The model feels FUCKING AMAZING THERE IS A GOD

[sudden pewter]

If it doesn’t I will go on a holy crusade

[true sleet]

Will they add new weapons this season?

[slow linden]

They wont

[sudden pewter]

No.

[true sleet]

Bro why

[sudden pewter]

Not necessary. More work needs to be done balancing existing weapons and gadgets.

[grave spire]

Who's voting for nerfing cl40, plz mind a reaction

[true sleet]

Okay

[slow linden]

They are focusing on balancing the game,not leaving more overnerfed or neglected weapons behind while dropping the next broken thing

[grave spire]

I am just so fed up with that shii

[true sleet]

That makes sense

[muted condor]

[grave spire]

Same here

[muted condor]

Woosh

[slow linden]

Cl40 is undertuned if anything

And it's only problem is that it's a victim of damage stages

[muted condor]

Kinda mid af, fun gun to just bounce around with like a maniac but not effective

[slow linden]

If you are being 2 tapped by cl40 as a light they are hitting you with the projectile I'm sorry to break it to you

The projectile that is harder to hit than a model shot,speaking of the model they just buffed it and it feels amazing now

[grave spire]

Whenever I try to sneak in one random ahh guy throws cl nades like that's his only fkin job

I can't escape too

[slow linden]

That is his job it's a deterrent support weapon

[muted condor]

Does the reload no longer feel like a crowbar getting shoved down your throat hooked end first?

[grave spire]

But as a light main I can't think of a counter

[slow linden]

Reload js smoother I think but they just sped up cycle time the tiniest bit

[grave spire]

Not tiny, a lot

[slow linden]

Sword,you'll hit him and he'll one tap himself

[muted condor]

The reload is the only reason I hate that thing

[slow linden]

Good,it needed it

[grave spire]

" Accuracy "

[slow linden]

They might have tweaked the reload,but I'm uncertain

Reload feels fine

[grave spire]

I checked it's been reduced from 2.35 sec or something like that to 1.3.something seconds

[grave spire]

Crazy right, one damage buff needed

[slow linden]

That's good

[slow linden]

Double barrel too

[grave spire]

Yeah might be good

What do u say bout the cerebrus

[slow linden]

It's dogshit and they nerfed it too hard

[grave spire]

Nerfed in s9?

[slow linden]

No like season 7

[grave spire]

U wrong tho give it a try it feels amazing

1 tap light, 3 tap medium, 3 tap qm heavy

[slow linden]

After they spent a whole season making it usable,over buffed it a tiny bit and then cratered it

[grave spire]

I've been using it

[slow linden]

I think you mean 3 tap light from any range past inside the lights hitbox

[grave spire]

From close m saying thats how shoties r to be played right

[slow linden]

They're supposed to be close,not have so much spread that some pellets shoot straight up in the air and behind you if you are outside of kissing distance

Also the model is a midrange beast and both light shotguns are surprisingly good midrange, though intended to be close

[grave spire]

Hmm true for model

[blazing lichen]

ive been hearing the ks23 is nasty? has anyone tried it?

[grave spire]

Not the double barrel can say for m26

[versed finch]

Seems like the cerbrus is currently the worst shotgun in the game, hope it doesn't stay like that, as it's a really fun gun

[graceful nova]

The false doorway pyro mine goo trap: an inconspicuous doorway hides a pyro mine, with an arch of goo blocking anyone from going thru the door.

Lights tend to open the door, trip the mine, get burned. In those fiery seconds, they tend to run forward, only to be further burned by the goo.

[grave spire]

Why m the only one using it 🙏it feels good imo

[slow linden]

If you like the titan but aren't crazy at popping heads run ks23 instead you'll do more damage,also you can breach with it

[blazing lichen]

ah ok, i feel like if it just did a bit more damage itd be an A tier weapon

[versed finch]

i feel like too many people run what the pros run which is why guns like the cerbrus are forgotten. Because none of the top 500 run it too many people assume it's trash

[slow linden]

I adore you

[muted condor]

It is kinda trash tbh

[slow linden]

It's already incredibly good after they just made it consistent

[blazing lichen]

whast funny is that theres top 500 sword players yet we still call it bad. it just seems people dont know how to use a weapon and just label it bad

[blazing lichen]

ima run it rn

[versed finch]

definitely could use some love, but I see like 1/100 shotgun users running it, and like 1/20 people i play against run shotguns

[graceful nova]

Now that each pyro mine’s burst damage is only 55 instead of 80, I’m placing both pyro mines into this trap. Instead of just one like I usually do

Now they’ll be dealt even more damage.

[versed finch]

EXACTLY, THANK YOU

[muted condor]

Does he reach top 500 with sword or does he just play sword in top 500? Big difference

[versed finch]

Didn't someone make a yt series about reaching top 500 with sword?

[slow linden]

I always put both mines since the start

[blazing lichen]

very fair, i assumed he mains it considering how good he is with it. but thats a very fair point

[versed finch]

Totally get that balancing is hard. You can't please everyone at once, so you have to make sacrifices and do what feels right. Embark is probably gonna fix the balancing issues this season, with the majors out of the way, so we just have to wait and see

[muted condor]

I know there’s a mini gun player in top 500 but she doesn’t actually use mini gun for climbing

[left sage]

That's sad

[versed finch]

And finally I lived to see the day that V9S got a buff and isn't just worse 93R

The range was really that gun's only counter, maybe the firerate-semiauto making it a spam fest aswell, unlike the pike and lh1 which are more pacing based semi auto

Really hope they don't immediatly revert the changes

I've spend way too many hours with that gun for it to go back to where it is (or even worse)

[wide stratus]

It's an acquired taste

[inner pivot]

They should add randomizing favorite animations for guns

Like if you cant decide between 2 or something

[blazing lichen]

but cant u equip both and then it is random?

[versed finch]

ya I think you're correct

[blazing lichen]

yeah u can i just checked

[versed finch]

the randomization is weird though, it isn't like back and forth, it's a weird random choice (that sometimes doesn't feel equal)

[blazing lichen]

yeah its a useless rn

[violet solar]

hows the model changes feeling haven't been able to play yet

[unkempt moss]

Were going back to HMM this season. Playing some good ol god honest finals.

[violet solar]

hmm?

[versed finch]

heavy medium medium team

[unkempt moss]

Thats pretty close.

[placid slate]

Could be hhm

[versed finch]

looks like HML teams are gonna diminish is popularity this season

[unkempt moss]

I welcome it.

[versed finch]

at least ill never have to see that many LLL teams anymore, so thats a plus

[placid slate]

Why? Shield spam would be ass

[violet solar]

why just cause 93r and gateway nerf?

[unkempt moss]

Do you think I play shield?

[placid slate]

Glitch nerf and shield buffs

[versed finch]

HP Nerf also, plus glitch

[violet solar]

light got a hp nerf?

[versed finch]

and the buffs to other classes, while light got... none (besides V9S)

[versed finch]

H+ Infuser mb

[violet solar]

ok that makes more sense

[versed finch]

I think everyone saw the H+ nerfs from a mile away though

[violet solar]

idk i think ill still see plenty of lights with matter, db, bow, sniper, or arn

[versed finch]

As someone who runs dash V9S vanish H+ glitch this season hit me hard

[versed finch]

what you mean matter? Everyone sleeps on that weapon, it's got the potential to be meta

I still never see lights running it, like less than 1/1000

i can go 100 rounds and not see a single matter

[violet solar]

i see it used not as much a db but i still see it

[versed finch]

People be sleeping on the M26, it's actually insane with dash

[serene glade]

I think dash is just broken

[versed finch]

100% is, I could see a nerf to 2 charges with slightly lower cooldowns in the future

[serene glade]

Would it be if they had proper servers, no. But here we are

[violet solar]

if your opponet can aim its not broken, will say its still better then invis and grapple

[versed finch]

Why did they even nerf cloak in the first place? Doing that didn't only make it weaker, but it made dash stronger

Grapple is grapple, so...

[wild zenith]

the barricade buffs definitely made it in, just not on the patch notes for whatever reason

[violet solar]

your problem was using cloak in the first place lol as long as invis bomb exist cloak will be useless

[serene glade]

Yeah you can track it all you want, server latency makes it literally impossible sometimes

Dashing through melee will always be a fun interaction

[indigo nexus]

This doesn’t affect your ability to shoot dashing players, unless it was so extreme the server was denying your actions

[versed finch]

I used to run cloak over dash and swapped vanish for flash but now due to the nerf there's no point

People say that H+ and Healing Emmiter made Healing Beam pointless, what about vanish bomb making cloak useless

[violet solar]

cloak and invis do the same thing there was never a reason to use it

[versed finch]

If you wanted a gadget slot for something else, maybe pre nerf gateway?

[indigo nexus]

Vanish bomb lasting 7 seconds and providing a more visible cloak and revealing your location when you use it in a wide area are the reasons

[versed finch]

Gotta love the people running frag, pyro, and gas grenade

[versed finch]

it can cloak your tm8s, which cloak can not

[serene glade]

Getting winched through walls people lose their minds and say the game is broken, but if you bring up dash having unintended Iframes due to the server than you are crazy. Got it

[violet solar]

the only thing in that makes sense is broadcasting my location when i use invis bomb but other than that it really didnt matter yes people can see you but normally it takes a second so you still get the drop on em

[unkempt moss]

Just track it bro

[versed finch]

rebuff cloak pls embark, if you're gonna buff healing beam and nerf H+ and Healing Emmiter, don't just nerf cloak and ignore vanish bomb

[indigo nexus]

Much less so since they know to expect you, and you are under a far greater time pressure

[violet solar]

for cloak to get a buff we would have to have thermal vision back

[indigo nexus]

It doesn't.

[versed finch]

and that's not happening, or at least in the state it was in

my og light loadout was cloak, m26, thermal vision, smoke, flash

easily both the most annoying loadout to fight and most fun to play

BEFORE THE NERFS TO SMOKE AND CLOAK AND THE REMOVAL OF THERMAL

[serene glade]

Ah ok 👍

[violet solar]

well it doesnt have to be the previous state but if they buff cloak to anything like old cloak then theres no counter play cause we cant use thermals the only counter would be to use flamthrower and spin in circles lol

[versed finch]

That what flamethowers do already

[indigo nexus]

Not really, you don't need explicit loadout counters to things for them to be fair.

[violet solar]

the bad ones yes

[indigo nexus]

Like, there is no 'counter' to demat, but that doesn't make it overpowered

[violet solar]

so youd be happy with a 100% invis player no way to see them at all running around in your back line all game

[inner pivot]

Hold on you can equip multiple animations?

[indigo nexus]

No, what on earth has this got to do with anything I said?

[unkempt moss]

Googun counters it

[inner pivot]

Bruuuuuuuh howd I never realize that

[indigo nexus]

not in the same way that thermal vision counters invis. It merely introduces some counterplay against it.

[violet solar]

you said there doesnt need to be counters thats what no counter would be if they buffed cloak

[serene glade]

In the name boy scouts

[indigo nexus]

The previous cloak was not 100% invisible with no way to see them at all.

[violet solar]

but yes there does need to be counters or counter play to everything if theres not then you get winch from last patch

[unkempt moss]

It completely negates playing for drop with demat and breaching walls ceilings. How is that not countering it

[indigo nexus]

Most things don't have explicit counters further than glitch, which is the general universal counter

[violet solar]

The "old cloak" in THE FINALS refers to the Cloaking Device ability prior to significant balance changes introduced in Season 5, which many players consider its peak state. Before these changes, the cloak allowed for near-total invisibility

[indigo nexus]

and that's good, your loadout composition should have as little impact on the viability of what the enemy team has brought as possible. Otherwise you're building a meta around counter-picking rather than counter-playing

[indigo nexus]

It really didn't. It was a little harder to see than it is now, and no harder to hear.

[serene glade]

Holy shit this game sucks

[violet solar]

theres a reason it was nerfed the lower graphics quality you go the harder it is to see invis for budget builds it was practically totally invis

[wild zenith]

bruh m60 is a laserbeam now

[indigo nexus]

I heard other people claim the opposite so not sure about that. But it wasn’t a big change.

[placid slate]

Increased recoil past 30 bullets my ass

[hollow juniper]

Interesting to see bfr nerfed in this way, it was strong for sure but I dont think fire rate was the issue lol

[violet solar]

still things have to have counter play, if not then its an i win button kinda like winch last season with the bfr

[indigo nexus]

fire rate is the safest nerf strategy for any weapon really if you just want to hurt it a little

[indigo nexus]

yes, counterplay, which is very distinct from loadout counters

[violet solar]

loadout counters are appart of counterplay

[hollow juniper]

Wrong

[indigo nexus]

One which should be minimised. It exists out of necessity to maintain the level of variety we have, really

[violet solar]

ok so whats the counter to dome

[sudden pewter]

Embark is aware of the Minigun disparity and that makes me so happy

[indigo nexus]

In an ideal world you should have an effective arsenal of counterplay tools in your team to any enemy strategy regardless of what you chose to bring in

[hollow juniper]

Cover or distance or both and concentrated team fire and time also, this is coming from a platt player. And so my knowledge only goes thst far, but this is how I counter it

[indigo nexus]

otherwise fights are being determined by something quite random and quite unrelated to skill expression

[violet solar]

agreed keep it minimised is good but i feel like for cloak to get a buff we should wait till we get thermals back

[indigo nexus]

maybe, yeah

but it would be better to not re-introduce that dynamic, to me

[violet solar]

yes cover and distance work when they dome the cash out and are stealing it

[violet solar]

i think the dynamic is good just need to tone down how easy thermals can see invis

[wild zenith]

nerfing damage either does nothing or completely kills a gun depending on thresholds

[hollow juniper]

In this case, a dive with concentrated fire counters it

[wild zenith]

rof is much more modular

[violet solar]

that leaves you out in the open or right on top of the cash out perfect time to get third partied and wiped the answer is glitch

[hollow juniper]

I guess I just honestly expected some bloom or no hit scan at distance or smth. Rof just seems kinda meh as a change which I guess is the intent. Just a little nudge

[violet solar]

while it has crazy dmg at range i dont think that was the main problem one shot combo was more of a problem

[hollow juniper]

Against L u mean?

[violet solar]

yes or a m left them very low if you had any help at all when you winched them they instantly fall over

[muted condor]

Absolute cash out

[hollow juniper]

I mean fair but also lights could totally play around that by not getting close

[violet solar]

i mean you kinda gotta get close during cash outs

and even if your farther away i can still do the bodyshot into rpg combo

[hollow juniper]

No I think the rpg increase is genuinely insane. If its to counter goo why not just increase the damage to goo...????

[violet solar]

didnt know rpg got a increase to dmg only thought goo got a nerf

[compact tundra]

Yea rpg scares me, now it can qm combo a light for a panic close range kill at the cost of half your own health

[violet solar]

hmm good to know

[compact tundra]

As a sword main I'm scared

[sudden pewter]

As you should be

[compact tundra]

Get out of here demon, leave me be

I just wanna molly wap miniguns in peace

[polar swift]

sword is dead

why did they gut it so bad? I feel like I get no distance using it with dash

[compact tundra]

It's weird

[wild zenith]

you can stack 2 barricades on the same door now

[compact tundra]

The movement is actually better than it used to be but it's way less skillful than it used to be combat wise

The dash lunge is worse but super lunging is better than it used to be

[viscid trail]

More or less they took the skill ceiling way down, and raised the skill floor

[polar swift]

there's no way, I used to glide so far when using dash with thrust

[compact tundra]

Kinda, for the movement they raised the skill floor by removing the super dash's use case, but lowered it by making super lunging way easier

[polar swift]

isn't superdashing the same as super lunging?

[viscid trail]

Idk
I personally don’t like any of the melees except sledge, purely because the sledge is funny

[compact tundra]

Na, super dashing is mixing dash and lunge or super lunge for bonus distance. Super lunge is where you time your jump to keep your lunge momentum while in the air

[polar swift]

oh, so they only nerfed the distance you can go while dashing and lunging

[compact tundra]

I don't really know, I never super dashed, I've always just lunged and saved my dashes for when I need them

[polar swift]

it still absolutely sucks though, old sword was so fun, and it actually took some skill

[compact tundra]

They said they buffed it but to be it feels like it was nerfed and there's no reason to use it when super lunging does the same thing and keeps your dash

Yea I miss the reliable combos a lot, I like the new movement tho, it's way less finicky

[hardy dust]

Sword movement is honestly better now but everything else about it got gutted

[polar swift]

ig I just don't understand the superlunge

[compact tundra]

Yea

[polar swift]

I've always used dash in combo with lunge to go super far, but that isn't possible now

[compact tundra]

One sec

This is a mediocre video of me trying to show it off and how camera angle and flicking effects it

[indigo nexus]

This one sentence injured my respect for the developers (well, the balance guy) more than any other so far I think, though I don’t know for sure if it should or not

I sincerely hope there is more context they omitted for brevity and this isn’t the plain reason for the nerf

[polar swift]

so it's just a lunge with a delayed dash. I guess that's good for movement but it doesn't extend the reach of the lunge at all. How recent were these changes?

Is the movement in this video before the nerfs?
https://youtu.be/0vS_hA_fo-Y?si=aZ_2UXxJ7zzRBS6n

[viscid trail]

A lot of the decisions here kinda confused me, but if there’s one thing I’m happy about it’s the MODEL 1887 reload speed buff

[sudden pewter]

They keep bringing up metrics they have access to but rarely ever divulge more about them. I’d love to have even a glance at the information Embark supposedly gatekeep

[indigo nexus]

100%

I have a definite expectation that this game’s balance decisions are made with at minimum as solid a framework as I would be able to come up with myself, so if they actually do not meet that criteria it would be quite disappointing

[sudden pewter]

They must have some sort of large backend for data collection because the information they’re referencing is particularly niche. Which makes balance missteps particularly odd

Why did it take them so many seasons to make the KS23 accurate?
Among other things

[indigo nexus]

I don’t think I’ve seen them explicitly reference a metric that is much more than trivial, assuming you take what they say at face value

[compact tundra]

No I don't dash, it's just a jump and camera flick

[sudden pewter]

Embark will turn on your facecam and track loadout options via race

*per capita

[polar swift]

oh

[indigo nexus]

Well, not just disappointing, very surprising! You’d need to be a lot more skilled than me to be hired for anything technical there to begin with

[unkempt moss]

This was a change that people knew it needed almost immediately after it came out. I'm not sure why it took so long

[sudden pewter]

Chat GPT, write me some code for my resume:

[raw cave]

I hate medium. It just looks so weak. Every gadget and spec is just mediocre if not bad. Except for like defib and jump pad

[viscid trail]

Being a medium main has been a bit difficult 😭

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[dusky gyro]

How much damage does the explosive mine do?

[indigo nexus]

120

[wild zenith]

medium does feel pretty flaccid, since it has no gadgets whatsoever that have immediate, mid fight impact, and also has no short range burst damage

compare to light vanishbomb, dash, glitch, or heavy rpg, winch, charge n slam, dome, lockbolt

[indigo nexus]

cerberus?

[wild zenith]

all of mediums tools do stuff in between fights, never in the middle of one

[indigo nexus]

demat has quite a strong mid fight impact I'd say, so does healbeam but maybe less directly

[wild zenith]

cerberus has slower ttk than fcar

[sudden pewter]

Demat is still very strong

It lost a single charge and now many players just pretend it doesn’t exist?

[wild zenith]

medium has no weapons that have faster ttk than fcar

[indigo nexus]

Burst weapons typically have a slower ttk, that's what balances them

[wild zenith]

and thats not what i mean by mid fight

[indigo nexus]

AKM, P90, revolver perhaps

[wild zenith]

okay revolver yes, but not the other 2

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-false-nuke-walter-white-false-breaking-bad-false-breaking-bad-false-nuke-gif-11851145952566757188

[indigo nexus]

AKM ekes it out unless you hit virtually no headshots

[wild zenith]

akm p90 and fcar all have virtually identical ttk, it doesnt really make a difference

[indigo nexus]

And P90 beats AKM unless you hit literally all headshots

[indigo nexus]

Fair enough, but it does make the claim incorrect

[wild zenith]

Flanking someone with a demat is engaging the fight. By midfight i mean doing something after the players have started shooting at eachother

that doesnt involve running away

[sudden pewter]

You can open new avenues of engagement

[indigo nexus]

demat through walls to avoid fire, demat an enemy into you or demat them away

[sudden pewter]

Enemy behind cover? Demat it.

[indigo nexus]

I think you're narrowing the definition enough that I don't see why this really matters to begin with

[wild zenith]

im just explaining why medium might feel weak

medium has like, a million tools to control the means of engagement, but once the engagement starts, they just shoot

[sudden pewter]

Can’t relate, Medium feels fine to an ascendant gamer goblin such as myself

[wild zenith]

with guns that are always tuned for range/sustain, and lack raw damage

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-27377993

[dusty saddle]

Does anyone else feel like a founding father when yawing the CB01

[compact tundra]

Idk I play medium like light and it works pretty well for me, hit angles and be ready to get outta dodge, also stay behind the meat truck heavy if you've got one to pocket

[nova pond]

Did the p90 end up getting a range buff? I saw a reddit post saying it should have in the preliminary patch notes yet the official notes dont have it. Did they decide not to implement it?

[hardy dust]

Only for heavy

Unless you're counting headshots

[hardy dust]

P90, akm depending on class, revolver with headshots

[zinc obsidian]

For god sake give Heavy a claymore or something so he can use some of the freaking cool sword skins in this battlepass. Like freaking giant shogun heavy would be nice

[sonic zephyr]

the model is such a weird mix. its like in this middleground where it takes all the bad things and combines them.

[red pumice]

Anyone else think an M1919A6 Browning for heavy would go hard

[proud rain]

thank you Unjust72 for the replay option info!

[compact tundra]

No problem, I'm gonna change the settings myself since I've had that glitch too

But I had it last season

[proud rain]

i was getting kinda motion sick from the constant smooth action to the weird frame skipping replay that would take like 3 seconds to start then be rubberbandy

im sad that there isnt any new equipment or weapons in the newest season. it kinda bummed me out. did they only add like 1 new gamemode and a bunch of UI changes? this season just feels like a normal update not a big release thing that warrents all the hype

[forest birch]

Is there no new anything to spend unlock currency on or just new map and some balance shenanigans

[eager wasp]

new map, new gamemode, and basically no balance changes, thats about it

[proud rain]

dont think they even added any new sights. kinda a let down

[forest birch]

Honestly a second asian themed battlepass and another asian themed map is kinda a let down if that is all we get for this season

Admittedly I doubt they care right now with Chinals and Chinese interest being the main point

[compact tundra]

I don't mind the lack of new toys but I'm disappointed by the lack of balance changes l, we went a whole season with very few balance changes and the big hyped up balance sheet for the season 9 release is lackluster and barely shakes anything up

[proud rain]

k the racism aint needed. they are still players too and getting only a map still kinda sucks for everyone no matter the race

[forest birch]

What racism? I mean if I was racist I genuinely didn't mean to, wasn't this season the launch of the Chinese version of the finals?

[muted condor]

That’s not racist 😂

[sudden pewter]

That’s not racism. I could show you real racism.

[forest birch]

I'm genuinely confused on what the racist part was

[sudden pewter]

Bringing up China

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

[proud rain]

dude the chinals thing. I see a lot of people be racist as fuck on this server

[forest birch]

???

[muted condor]

Huh

[sudden pewter]

The Finals in China. The Chinals 🇨🇳
That’s not racism, it’s a good joke.

[forest birch]

That is what people call the Chinese specific version of the game, like even on BiliBili

The game literally is different in China

[muted condor]

That’s not even related to race in any way

It’s a play on words for a country

[compact tundra]

He's saying the chinals thing is insensitive, which I don't fully disagree but I don't really think it's racist in this context, maybe a bit insensitive but that's it really

[proud rain]

ye

[scarlet ivy]

So did p90 get the range buff or no?

[sudden pewter]

No.

https://www.reachthefinals.com/patchnotes/900

[forest birch]

So I am being insensitive for saying something that Chinese players and players are calling the Chinese Version of the game?

I'm not saying they are worse or anything like that. It's a different version of the game specific to China, and I didn't even make the name up

[sudden pewter]

Block and move on, no discussion to be had

[proud rain]

it wasnt used in a bigoted manor. It has been and easily could tho yo. thats all

[muted condor]

Bru

[proud rain]

bru

[muted condor]

Medieval season tomorrow

[compact tundra]

Na I think they interpreted your use of it as a slight against the game having a Chinese theme. Idk I think it's a bit of an overreaction that was based on other peoples use of it

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shoo-away-gif-13653609800890535042

[uncut condor]

chinese finals…

[forest birch]

I wish, I just want a knight outfit and a axe skin for the hammer that or a great sword skin

[muted condor]

I require armor

[proud rain]

uh huh. i got that.

[sudden pewter]

China has its own separate branch of the game for those unaware, totally distinct from our own. With unique cosmetics and compromises made to comply with the almighty demands of the CCP

[uncut condor]

it was pretty obvious though

[sudden pewter]

Twin Headed Axe for sledge would go hard AF

[proud rain]

yea but on a quick read I interpreted that as them focusing on chinese finals players and used a stupid made up derogatory term for a race of people playing a game

got it cleared up now tho. sorry about that

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[proud rain]

bro all your doing is trying to add fuel to the fire but its already died down. enjoy your night : )

[uncut condor]

did lewis get a buff

[indigo nexus]

22 -> 23 damage

[sudden pewter]

Yes

[compact tundra]

I don't really know why that thing fucking shreds

[sudden pewter]

It always did, sleeper pick

[indigo nexus]

Embark didn't think so

[unkempt moss]

Praise be to embark for buffing heavy!

[indigo nexus]

the m60 still has the better ttk but it's quite slight

[wild zenith]

most ttk differences in this game are slight

m60 also has the easier recoil of the two

[indigo nexus]

Damn it, the guy who seems to have been wrong for the first time ever about balance left the server so I can't ping him about it

[uncut condor]

its already the hipfire king idrk why it needed it of all guns

[wild zenith]

i didnt know of lewis having noteworthy hipfire

[unkempt moss]

Just go ahead and pop off in here about it.

[compact tundra]

Minigun ain't got shit

[compact tundra]

The hip is ok, but headshots is where the magic is

[uncut condor]

its always been good for me

[sudden pewter]

Capital Letter Gamer Word.

[sudden pewter]

• Failed Mantle
• Wasted Dome
  He wasn’t hitting headshots judging from the audio, you would be mulch otherwise

Your slander will not be forgotten Ishallah

[compact tundra]

• nuh-uh
• dome could've protected head if he could aim a bit upwards
• even Allah's grace could not save your minigun from my lewis or my sword

[sudden pewter]

I’m Facebook friends with Obama, at my word drones will drop Alfa Acta Explosive mines around your domicile.

Were it me you’d be fertilizer for my lawn

[wild zenith]

why would u ever use xp now when you can use v9s?

[compact tundra]

I'm pretty sure the V9s still has a far shorter range

[indigo nexus]

Mm, I already turned off my computer before going to bed… wait like 8 hours and I’ll get a pretty graph

[sudden pewter]

XP doesn’t feel like shit to shoot compared to the V9S imo

I cannot stand how the V9S feels to shoot, it’s like nails on a chalkboard

[wild zenith]

weak index finger

[sudden pewter]

My right arm has more muscle than your entire body

I walk lopsided like the Charger from L4D

https://tenor.com/view/left4dead-charger-gif-21882597

Ideal Gamer Posture & Form

[wild zenith]

v9s has 15-25 and has 65% minimum damage. xp has 22.5 to 32.5 and 52% minimum damage

and v9s has a higher baseline dps

[compact tundra]

Yea but I feel the xp has the range advantage. Hell M11 has had better ttk's then both the Arn and XP if I'm correct but the M11 is the only non meta option there

[compact tundra]

Feel free to fact check me from memory if I'm wrong, I'm kinda curious

[wild zenith]

it seems really close to me

v9s has advantages over xp other than raw damage

[compact tundra]

Might be but I feel the V9 still falls to far into the close range problem, which is fine in specific playstyles but it seems mid range light reigns supreme comp wise

[wild zenith]

past 32 meters, v9s outdamages xp, plain and simple. The only range xp COULD beat v9 out is midrange

and also

do you think m11 also falls into the "close range problem"? because v9s had more range than m11 even before the patch

[ember sigil]

All these tablets skins and no thermal vision 😔

[manic veldt]

sorry im just in a very chinese time of my life

[analog pewter]

KS feels so much better to use now

i still wish it had less inaccuracy while airborne but i just gotta adjust my own playstyle and adapt to keeping my feet on the ground

[faint steppe]

Don't undervalue how RPG + KS + QM is now 250 damage. It definitely lets you play extremely aggressive vs Mediums

[wild zenith]

did the rpg buff go through? i dont see it on the patch notes

[compact tundra]

It was there this morning

Idk maybe they realized it's stupid to buff one of the most picked gadgets on the most meta class

[muted condor]

Yeah, dual blades are still absolutely horrendous 👍

Embark doing what they do best and ignoring the actual problem and just randomly throwing bullshit patches at stuff until something works

[spice spruce]

did they nerf famas?

it feels different

[ebon mason]

they actually made a good change to the dual blades

[lavish swallow]

kind of annoying that sword isn't allowed to two lunge a medium but every gun in the game is allowed to kill a light in a second or less

[proud rain]

it 2 lunges if u quick melee but thats hard to get off sometimes

[gleaming aspen]

camera locking makes it harder from what i heard also

[spice spruce]

did they really have to buff minigun

[unkempt moss]

How do I get my game to look this good? I have my settings maxed

[unkempt moss]

Yes. We love when Heavy gets buffs

[compact tundra]

Idk I'm on Xbox series X

[unkempt moss]

Crazy. Its like my shaders arent as good looking or something. .

The lighting looks better. If this is on Xbox then it must be just a setting or something I messed up.

[astral gazelle]

no new weapons or gadgets this season or am i blind?

[spice spruce]

Nope

#💣┇weapons-gadgets enjoyiers must fast this season

[severe wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-bowl-hungry-gif-5337018160645280311

[frigid imp]

whats meta for heavys this season?

[fiery thunder]

Shak/SA1216, Winch, RPG, Dome, C4

[grave spire]

The gateway nerf was unnecessary

[grave spire]

Isn't it?

[topaz steeple]

Totally not needed, nobody considered it overpowered

[magic sapphire]

Man I miss the charger lmao, he was my main problem when playing on a hard difficulty

[fiery thunder]

True

[restive plover]

Another certified pickrate balancing classic.

[fiery thunder]

I don't think I've seen anyone complain abt Gateway

[left sage]

As opposed to pyro mine which was clearly a menace

[eager wasp]

they should've just buffed explosive mine

making the excuse that pyro was better than explosive when they nerfed explosive and not pyro is just dumb, explosive isn't used BC ITS BAD why you may ask? BC THEY NERFED IT, so how about buffing it instead nerfing everything else to also be a bad

Fr

embark thinks very sillily

[left sage]

Pyro was already B tier unless used specifically in a goo cocoon with c4

[granite sleet]

best setup for Light?

[wide stratus]

Being able to take a cashbox and instantly get to a cashout is a little bit op

I don't play ranked or wt so I don't care for it but I can understand the nerf

I'm genuinely upset about pyro mine

[amber plinth]

EMBARK PLEASE MAKE THE GRAVITY CUBE LIFT SLOWLY THE GRAND VAULTS IN POINT BREAK

[indigo nexus]

not much reason honestly, unless you really can't stand tapfiring

[indigo nexus]

Not really. Falls off a bit sooner but significantly less hard

[covert thunder]

Can anyone explain this shit why does gas burn but if it’s a gas mine it doesn’t just because it’s a mine doesn’t change the physics of gas being flammable please fix this is ridiculous

[indigo nexus]

That is not normal.

[covert thunder]

It’s been happening since the update I’ll mention it in the bugs chat

[placid slate]

Xp falloff ends at 32.5, v9s ends at 25

[shell sonnet]

Was it maybe inside smoke?

Gas inside smoke doesnt burn

[plucky spade]

Tap firing the v9s genuinely gets tiring

[placid slate]

V9S falloff should've ended at 20m rather than 25m, it's a little bit excessive

[vocal flume]

v9 kills in like 3 shots on lights, well from my xp i die insanely quick but takes ages for me to kill someone

[placid slate]

3 headshots

[floral flume]

Are they gonna be adding any new weapons or do we not know yet?

[tropic drift]

Where is this from? I'd like to compare other weapons like this

[indigo nexus]

a script I wrote

[tropic drift]

Any chance you'd put it on GitHub or something like that? :D

[indigo nexus]

Yeah, er, problem is it sucks from a technical standpoint (is ludicrously inefficient for low damage weapons), so I guess I have an irrational reluctance to 'publish' it anywhere! But I can just send it to you if you like.

At some point, maybe soon, I'll properly finish it... maybe

[tropic drift]

Sure, I'd appreciate it if you send it to me then haha

I totally get that "publishing anxiety" for quick and dirty scripts tho

[indigo nexus]

I tried to make it super considerate of a lot of different things but did not choose a good approach to simulate them efficiently

sooooo it has O(2^n) time complexity for shots to kill. This is alleviated by an iteration limit after which it falls back onto stochastic processing, but there's some bug there which makes it less accurate than it should be so I just set it really high to get accurate results for everything :p

[tropic drift]

Interesting, I'll take a look, thanks :D

[indigo nexus]

and the multithreading is downright stupid, I don't know why I decided to just run one thread against each class when it may take dramatically longer against a heavy than a light

also note that damage over time was half implemented because nobody cares about flamethrower ttk :p

[keen olive]

Question, got the p90 actually buffed, because I cant find any changes in the patch notes?

[indigo nexus]

I haven’t tested. Wiki doesn’t think so.

[sacred scroll]

Do lights really need 3 sword skins at the start of this season?

[indigo nexus]

no, but nobody needs any skins

[cunning slate]

They kinda got curbstomped this season, ngl

*I think

[modest lynx]

The Tech is GONE AND MASSACRED

[weak kernel]

3 skins for a weapon that hasn't been good in months 😔

[cunning slate]

Thankfully

[sonic zephyr]

i cant be the only one that thinks its weird that lots of weapons have an ads that does nothing

[stark juniper]

the v9s buff goes kinda crazy lowk

[sudden pewter]

Still getting used to the BFR RoF nerf

And the minigun buff is noticeable

[dusky gyro]

What changed?

[stark juniper]

range increase. it had some of the worst DMG fall off in the game

[pulsar hearth]

anybody know when thermal vis is making a return?

[oblique crypt]

Why did they remove thermal vision anyway?

[mortal pewter]

is it just me or xp54 with default sight makes my aim trash

[sudden pewter]

Temporarily disabled in Season 8 and being reworked due to numerous bugs & balancing issues.

[finite agate]

dual blades buff actually make it worth doing the full combo now or is qm cancelling still better?

[sudden pewter]

Smoke Lights distraught

[sudden pewter]

The third hit in the combo deals 40 additional damage, and QM cancelling was nerfed

[finite agate]

they do be hatin qm

[sudden pewter]

They’re trying to boost melee weapon efficacy as a baseline and remove QM cancel to put more power into the weapons themselves, which I like

[lunar mason]

I beg buff the 87

[sudden pewter]

Model was buffed

[placid slate]

No they aren't, otherwise other shit would've been bufed

[sudden pewter]

They just buffed dual blades and sledge is fine

Spear & Riot still need work I agree, hopefully we see more work done soon

[placid slate]

Just give spear 5 extra damage for the m1 and fix the hitreg

[sudden pewter]

Sorry, all development is going towards content for TGM next year

[placid slate]

Definitely looks like it given the patch notes

[sudden pewter]

Yeah it’s fucked

2 months of nothing for a welcome but very short list of balance changes for a new season

[placid slate]

Only like actually notable change is the v9s falloff

[sudden pewter]

93R nerf was an obvious choice, but very interesting changes to V9S

I’ll need to use it more

[placid slate]

Bro I predicted this shit from a mile away

[sudden pewter]

I mean everyone knew 93R nerf was coming

[placid slate]

It was the obvious way to go with the weapon

[sudden pewter]

Oh the V9S mb sugar boo

[placid slate]

V9S is cqc precision, give it better falloff so it doesn't overlap with the m11

[silk jungle]

my gun keeps going off after switching back to my weapon from the healbeam.. anyone know why that is?

[sudden pewter]

Are you using a controller?

[silk jungle]

no and its a new mouse. I dont have double clicking issues anywhere else. even in the finals all other gadgets are fine