💣┇weapons-gadgets

[kindred arrow]

famas is weird with such a high burst fire rate and such a low overall fire rate

[mental galleon]

Yeah lets add more heavy bullshit why not

[zinc obsidian]

what heavy BS?

[jolly pine]

It had decent pick rates on high elo because of smoke thermal, and balancing the game on casual playerbase is a bad idea because most of the casual players don't understand how to play the game

[mental galleon]

Since open beta heavy still dominates the game

[kindred arrow]

heavy trading a normal primary for a repeater with even less ammo and no speedloader is screwing his own team over in terms of total damage output

[deep turtle]

Something I like about the titan, besides being a cool ass gun, is that I don’t see people complaining as much about the repeater now that it exists lol

[kindred arrow]

i just dont think its going to be a problem in most cases

[zinc obsidian]

naw man its the light

[timber sparrow]

Hows p90

[mental galleon]

Pretty good

[zinc obsidian]

very accurate and lots of ammo
it counters dash lights because SCREW YOUR THREE JUMPS I GOT BULLETS

[kindred arrow]

feels like a very strict falloff range but strong at max falloff

default sight is terrible though, they made the reticle way too fat

[compact tundra]

Yes the high elo picks were smoke and thermal, but you can't balance with only your top players in mind, there's a reason apex is dying while Fortnite is flourishing. If you ignore casuals for the sake of comp you make your game way less fun. I agree comp is very important to balancing decisions but they're not the only people that matter. Thermal was fine and just needs some bug fixes, no reason to give it the nullifier treatment while H+ gets a fucking 1 heal point nerf

[kindred arrow]

was smoke thermal even the main light pick at high elo

[zinc obsidian]

my issue is that the cl-40 is trying to be a skill shot weapon in a fast paced game and the projectile speed doesn't relfect that. I do not mean dmg I mean how fast it goes down range.

[kindred arrow]

with how many other utility options light has available it seems like a waste to use 2 of 3 slots on a gimmick like that

[jolly pine]

nope, but there was a lot of ruby players that got boosted because they used smoke thermal

[kindred arrow]

I was hoping blast off was testing for a rework that gave the CL much higher velocity and less splash but nothing came of it

[zinc obsidian]

I would of been fine with fast projectiles but they didn't do that sadly

[timber sparrow]

Im excited for the new matchmaking

[umbral stone]

Kinda sad to see light had almost nothing changed this season. Even all the nerfs/buffs went to heavy/medium. I really thought this would be the season they’d give grapple even a tiny buff since it’s never had a place in competitive play

[zinc obsidian]

I use grabble alot like for me its better then dashing

[jolly pine]

apex is not dying because of balancing, the game is just bad

[timber sparrow]

Another season to grind sword with

[umbral stone]

Me too, it’s my favorite spec. But when I wanna win I run dash. Being able to dash and shoot at the same time is just so valuable against players with good aim when you only have 150hp

[zinc obsidian]

thing is when you grabble ambush or run it really isn't as easy as you think

[kindred arrow]

the issue with apex is that nobody really wants to play BR games

people want to play fortnite, and many studios misunderstood that

[shell sonnet]

it seems like all the stacks dont want to bother with eachother and instead went to head 2 head, which seems to not have it (at least in writing)

i tried playing it and got 4-5 stacks in a handfull of matches
not looking promising

[sudden pewter]

Apex is built on the corpse of Titanfall. The people yearn for a sequel but EA is allergic to making money and would rather pour millions into research on how to milk their customers

[umbral stone]

I main the grapple, I’m pretty familiar with how to make it work. My point is that it’s been the least picked light spec since launch in both casual and competitive play. I think it’s one of the rare instances that buffing a spec wouldn’t bother either casual or competitive players since it’s already difficult to use and no one seems to complain about it much compared to lights other specs

[sudden pewter]

This is so huge though

[kindred arrow]

battlefield 6 incoming

[sudden pewter]

Couldn’t care less tbh. Beta was okay but it really took them this long with this much backlash to finally say “Fine, we’ll stop trying to force more MTX in place of good game design”

[shell sonnet]

well, if its all soon then i cant complain

[kindred arrow]

no, im saying its going to be more mtx mess

[sudden pewter]

It’ll take more than just BF6 to earn my trust. At least we got classes back, specialists can rot

[timber sparrow]

Damn

[timber sparrow]

I hate the classes they made for bf6

they half assed them

[muted condor]

The only problem I had with bf6 was the tanks kinda felt off

It’s super fun besides that

[sudden pewter]

Vehicles are stalwart unless you’re an engineer. Otherwise it’s a free farm

Nothing will beat Planetside2 in actual multi platform combat

[deft patrol]

nobody also asked for apex, they decided to make a bad br over a new Titan fall

[muted condor]

I’m not sure exactly what was off about them but they didn’t feel as good as bf5 or 2042 tanks

[umbral stone]

Best game since the finals

[timber sparrow]

If you think tanks felt bad you did not try the helicopters

[muted condor]

I’m not a airplane or helicopter player in any game

[timber sparrow]

Holy moley they felt horrendous

[slow linden]

Real, damn ea to every hell

[timber sparrow]

also medic and support should have been separate classes, and we need locked weapons in the style of bf4. But they just wont do it for some reason

[muted condor]

Did you change anything of the settings? I head there was a weird setting that was automatically on that most people did know about and made them feel bad

[timber sparrow]

Nah it was with the fundamental momentum, it was like piloting a flying boat

[muted condor]

I had a friend that loves bf helicopters and was struggling the first few day but after he turned the setting off he said they felt exactly like they used to

[timber sparrow]

They already addressed they are changing them. It was similar to 2042 if you cranked the settings but compared to bf4 it was trash

[muted condor]

It was a flying assist mode or some shit

[muted condor]

Locked weapons is dumb

[slow linden]

Agreed

[umbral stone]

With the lack of content I was kinda hoping to see more drastic balance changes overall. I was thinking that they were gonna take it easy with adding new stuff this season so that they could really nail down balance on the many things in this game that have struggled or been overused for awhile, but the balance patch notes seem just like a typical balance patch

[muted condor]

Let me take a shotgun on my recon if I want

[slow linden]

Let me run my lmg shotgun combo on assault

[left sage]

Shotgun sounded like a potato gun in beta

[slow linden]

It did

[muted condor]

Unpopular opinion but I liked being able to do that

[slow linden]

I share the opinion

[muted condor]

Also being able to drag downed team mates was as absolutely cinematic as fuck

[timber sparrow]

Shotguns arent included in locked weapons, if they are bf4 locked, dmrs carbines and shotguns are all class, while ar pdw lmg and sniper are locked

[muted condor]

Cringe

[slow linden]

Rancid.

[muted condor]

All locked weapons does is limit play styles

[timber sparrow]

its what contributes to the class identity and what leads to making sacrifices for your playstyle

[slow linden]

They already have that

Class weapons perform way better on their actual classes

[muted condor]

More like makes classes more boring

[timber sparrow]

Not really, it also just made support by far the best class

[muted condor]

Sprinting full speed with a lmg on medic was fun

[timber sparrow]

take any weapon while having infinite health and ammo

[slow linden]

No,not at all

[muted condor]

I hope they had the big LMGs like they had in bf5 again

[timber sparrow]

yes, yes at all

[slow linden]

It was

[timber sparrow]

I hope they never bring those back they were stupid

[muted condor]

You’re boring

[slow linden]

It still got outperformed by ars

[slender fiber]

the titan is so fun lol

[muted condor]

Bro hates fun

[slow linden]

Stupid is fun

[muted condor]

Let me blast entire squads away with a mg42 in .5 seconds again

[slow linden]

Feels a bit slow especially compared to the p90 but I'm getting decent kills with it

[slow linden]

God forbid a machinegunner fulfil their purpose

[left sage]

Way better is a stretch

[slow linden]

I dunno the class weapon passives were pretty nice

[neon void]

Hey, need a bit of help. Starting this season i want to main heavy with 50. akimbo, what is the best class setup for this weapon ?

[stiff wind]

hey everyone, is there a channel where i can suggest new stuff?

[slow linden]

Game feedback and here,do not read the posts in game feedback it is a cesspool

[stiff wind]

charge n slam is good vs lights at close range

[stiff wind]

thanks

[sudden pewter]

Suggesting new things goes in #👂┇game-feedback but understand if you leave suggestions here you will me scrutinized and criticism will be levied

[slow linden]

Most of them just boil down to "nerf heavy" or "nerf light"

[stiff wind]

i was just about to suggest new weapon for heavy

[slow linden]

Is it a harpoon gun?

[stiff wind]

mg36 machine gun

[left sage]

What makes that different from current guns

[woven sequoia]

After playing a couple matches, first impressions
Turret still sucks and needs a rework
P90 fun, feels nice to have a close range weapon for medium that isn´t a shotgun, butyou need to get the jump on the other dood specially if you run into a heavy
Tital is super fun and rewarding when you land the shot but for as long as the RPG does 100 dmg is gonna be a menace when paired together and so many people are gonna cry for nerfs

[slow linden]

Just seems a bit bland

[stiff wind]

its new

[left sage]

That's not a great argument lmao

[slow linden]

M249 saw would be neat

[stiff wind]

bland doesnt mean bad

[left sage]

Bland does mean pointless for dev time though

[stiff wind]

ya

[left sage]

Any new machine gun would need to have a large differentiation from the current two to make sense

[slow linden]

Heavys weapons are almost never bland

[muted condor]

Bf5 was one of the only games that actually made mgs distinct from just ARs with a lot of ammo

[slow linden]

Yea

[muted condor]

MG42 for medium :)

[slow linden]

Thought heavy already had one

M249 saw for medium?

[coral root]

MG3

[kindred arrow]

how about a browning machine gun

[stiff wind]

what about m2 browning but hand held?

[muted condor]

Makes the machine gunner in me fell things

[slow linden]

I don't think you understand how much I need an m2 browning 50bmg for heavy

I would do things for scary people for that

[slow linden]

A thing of beauty

[stiff wind]

same

[kindred arrow]

the idea of a human carrying 250 rounds of .50 BMG alongside the actual machine gun is hilarious to me

whats that combat load, over a hundred pounds?

close to 150, actually

[lusty raven]

am I the only one to think that the nerf to pike is EXTREMELY brutal

[muted condor]

Just built different

[lusty raven]

50->48 damage means it needs one more body shot to kill anything up close (4 shots to light!!!) and the hipfire nerf is just kicking a dead body

[timber sparrow]

Actually isnt even a 50 bmg machine gun

[muted condor]

Good

[eager wasp]

no, very fair, fuck pike

[muted condor]

Kick it again

[eager wasp]

kick it while its down 🗣️ 🔥

[hardy dust]

It got 2x headshot multi

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/1a-lex-luthor-superman-nicholas-hoult-directive-gif-4999344869440911527

[lusty raven]

i mean... they already murdered Cerberus... now Pike... whats next?

[hardy dust]

But it deserves all nerfs it can get

[hardy dust]

Famas hopefully

[stiff wind]

probably shak

[knotty osprey]

Does anyone have an idea on what build to give Light on World Tour or Ranked?? I’m trying to find a good setup for it

[lusty raven]

thats straight harmless already

[muted condor]

Naw pike and cerb deserved it, the cerb nerf might have been a bit much but necessary

[sudden pewter]

Silence

[timber sparrow]

Honestly pike nerf doesnt seem too bad on paper since its focused on HS. Still better than lh1 most likely

[hardy dust]

Praying for winch, h+, 93r and famas to all get nerfs

[stiff wind]

what did winch do?

[knotty osprey]

^

[slow linden]

50 bmg was literally invented and designed for a machinegun

[muted condor]

Famas is in a good spot, maybe a little bit better than most guns but doesn’t need a nerf

[timber sparrow]

Yeah but that gun specifically isnt a 50bmg machine gun

[lusty raven]

dont worry i have no fucking clue what was wrong with pike beforehand....

[timber sparrow]

Not to nerd out or anything

[eager wasp]

everything, its been ruining all fights because you just get winched from behind cover, across entire buildings (im talking those big buildings in citadel map

[muted condor]

Out performed ever AR and mid range weapon at short, medium, and long range

[timber sparrow]

Yeah but the gun in the clip isnt an m2 browning

[muted condor]

Pike could out gun the AK in every situation

[lusty raven]

thats literal cap... you can outshoot most of the shit with SCAR

[slow linden]

No one said it was

[muted condor]

It’s literally a fact

[timber sparrow]

Thats what im saying

[stiff wind]

its fine, you exaggerating

[timber sparrow]

Now ur confusing me theres too many topics at hand

[slow linden]

Just dodge

[eager wasp]

no literally, not the huge middle parts, but over on the cns side the apartment looking stuff, one of the building that has a huge opening, and is pretty long, i was winched from halfway

[muted condor]

Destroy all balancing for heavy and become a instant win button for every fight

[timber sparrow]

buff pike nerf spear

[lusty raven]

i dont know what fuken post-pro hyper emeralddiamondtopaz league you in... but ive yet to see pike win against literally anything at close

[eager wasp]

are you bronze perchance

[muted condor]

Has this guy been under a rock for three seasons?

[stiff wind]

maybe it was one time thing where heavy was just closer than you think?

[lavish gate]

IM BEGGING. I NEED A REVOLVER SPIN INSPECT FOR THE BFR.

[lusty raven]

the hipfire is so bad its virtually unusable and thankfully ive NOT reached the skill cap yet for someone to fight at closer than 3m while ADSing

[muted condor]

WHAT?!

[eager wasp]

well either i feel like it shouldn't have nearly that much range

[slow linden]

I was replying to someone that also wants them to add an m2 browning .50 cal machinegun,saying that I need it in the finals

[stiff wind]

i mean, you still need to hit an enemy with it

[muted condor]

The hip fire on the pike was absolutely insane

[timber sparrow]

pike is probably still good

[muted condor]

Missing a winch is borderline impossible

[timber sparrow]

i doubt its worse off than the lh1

[lusty raven]

ok... you are just trolling

[muted condor]

Why is every copper player here right now?

[timber sparrow]

winch isnt hard to hit since it can literally hit on recall

[stiff wind]

i mean

[lusty raven]

it can... but it has a delay before it goes

[timber sparrow]

Easiest winch to land in all of gaming

[stiff wind]

i miss it

[slow linden]

It can win 1v1s and combo with some weapons,can't win the whole fight,I don't like it personally but it's a projectile that takes effort to hit

[muted condor]

I can’t believe my randoms I get during my ranked placement matches are in chat right now

[slow linden]

Wt randoms are worse

Ranked is where the soul goes to die

[stiff wind]

there is a counter to winch so i wouldnt say that winch is overpowered

[muted condor]

That is?

[slow linden]

Goo gun

[stiff wind]

melee

[slow linden]

That too

[muted condor]

Not necessarily

[stiff wind]

i mean melee hit and melee weapons

[muted condor]

Getting winched by someone using a SA12 is an instant death

[lusty raven]

i have a headache from that crosshair 😅

[eager wasp]

or a shak

[muted condor]

Shak will also melt everyone besides a sledge hammer before you can deal damage

[slow linden]

Being within 10 feet of someone with the sa12 who can aim is instant death

[stiff wind]

wtf is that crosshair ??

[slow linden]

It gets worse

[muted condor]

This is true but if you get winched there is literally no way to survive

[stiff wind]

?

[muted condor]

Winch is also the reason spear isn’t allowed to be viable

[compact tundra]

Doesn't winch help spear tho, like I get winch SA-12 is probably hard for spear to fight, but without winch spear would be even worse no?

[muted condor]

Winch is the only way to play spear

[compact tundra]

Yea but how does that keep it unviable

[muted condor]

But it’s also why they won’t buff spear

Winch existence stops them from making some weapons good because it will break the game

[lusty raven]

in what world is spear viable

[stiff wind]

a bit off topic but i would love to see mgl32 get direct hit explosion like tf2 demoman granade launcher

[compact tundra]

I find that logic dumb, it's like keeping sword bad because dash exist, that's an issue with the devs not the actual spec or weapon itself

[muted condor]

Reading comprehension: 0

[muted condor]

You nailed it on the head

[cunning slate]

I like the P90 feel, needs a slight damge tweak. Not a lot, but a smidge.

[muted condor]

That’s why heavy players actually hate the winch because embark refuses to fix it and nerfs weapons instead

[compact tundra]

I mean ig but in this scenario I don't blame the spec or weapon, just the devs with a room temperature IQ

[stoic garden]

played triple p90 + heal beam, really fun ☢️

[muted condor]

Winch is so powerful it’s hurting the heavy class as a whole

[stoic garden]

idk if p90 needs a damage or ammo nerf tho

[compact tundra]

I am hype as fuck for the heal beam buff, gonna be pocketing a lot of revolver heavies tonight

[slow linden]

I call it the lead cage

[compact tundra]

I mean your right but again blame devs for not understanding how balance works

[timber sparrow]

Is p90 like actually OP or is it new weapon bias

[stoic garden]

the shit holding it back is the ranged damage, shit is the m11 of medium

[muted condor]

100% that’s why they need to gut the winch

[eager wasp]

i want to say its new weapon bias but maybe im just too picky

[stiff wind]

bruh

[timber sparrow]

I havent actually gotten to play it so i genuinely dont know anything about it

[stoic garden]

idk man, it's great at the range it's designed for, it kills semi fast, easy asf to use, great ammo capacity

[slow linden]

I designed it for flamethrower and to roughly show the spread of the minigun

[stiff wind]

how do you even see enemies ?

[stoic garden]

it will catch a nerf i think

[slow linden]

The color contrast actually helps me see them better

[stoic garden]

I'd say just reduce ammo count

[slow linden]

Those different colors have a purpose,it is not because I think them appealing

[stoic garden]

it has so much ammo that when i was thinking I'd run out i still had 20 bullets

[stiff wind]

what if light comes into your blind spot?

[stoic garden]

like why does this weapon exist but akm cant have 36 bullets

[lusty raven]

imho its great with healing build... you get to dish out heals and if something gets too close, you just whip out this badboi.... main reason why i loved cerberus before it RIPed

[slow linden]

It's outshining heavys new weapon for sure,either the titan needs a small firerate buff or the p90 is overtuned

[hardy dust]

Literally a free kill on hit.
Its literally hard meta on heavy

[slow linden]

There is no blind spot

[stiff wind]

riiiight

[silver orchid]

this new season is not it

its run p90 or get dicked on

[slow linden]

Also one of my friend's crosshairs is just a thick red cross that you can perfectly fit someone inside of

[slow linden]

If I can't see you through my crosshair, I shouldn't be shooting at you,I should be running

The minigun has a lot of spread and falloff at range and the flamethrower has no range at all

[stiff wind]

fair enough

[compact tundra]

I have my crosshair designed around spread patterns so I can accurately tell when to hip fire

[compact tundra]

Cerb is still ok you just gotta be ass licking distance for it to work

[stoic garden]

p90 being 90 times better:

[compact tundra]

Yea probably but I hate most automatics and love shotguns so probably will stay a consistent pick for me

[sudden pewter]

I’m 100 VR’s short of that Heavy Revolver

[compact tundra]

Brokey

[lusty raven]

and whats OK about that

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-meme-mods-gif-14385308006689816010

[compact tundra]

I like licking ass so it's still good to me

[lusty raven]

so do I... but id rather take shield or dual swords for that

[compact tundra]

Just use it like the double barrel and it does a good job. The flame is useful now and it still shreds on meat shots

[tawny shuttle]

Ok so I tried using the sword in the practice range and I charged it and it’s like bugging out

[eager wasp]

pike nerf and im still seeing multiple pikes in my lobbies, didn't nerf it enough, i want another nerf next patch

[compact tundra]

They stealth buffed the headshot damage so it's still good

[south plinth]

Hey what’s the new max level skin for guns/gadgets?

[stoic garden]

SHHH

[lavish mountain]

bfr titan cannot elim a light on a headshot. needs a damage buff

[compact tundra]

No

[lavish gate]

bfr spin inspect please

[compact tundra]

Yes

[lusty raven]

oh i see... i missed that actually

[compact tundra]

Yea it's now a 2x if I'm correct

[lusty raven]

nice... didnt knew that

in that case the pike nerfs make perfect sense

[tawny shuttle]

Ok I found this weird sword glitch where if you charge and uncharge over and over it gets stuck and it sounds like a broken dvd

[stoic garden]

shoulda just nerfed rpm and nothing else but ok

[compact tundra]

Na that hipfire had to change

[compact tundra]

Also I like the rotating shoe theme with your profile, keep it up 👍

[blazing flume]

What are the wt and ranked rewards?

[stoic garden]

thank you my fella

[lavish gate]

is pike less or more effective now? does it reward headshots more?

[stoic garden]

headshots seem to do around 85 dmg now, they did 75 before

so i guess you could say that

[cursive owl]

yeah heavy really didnt need a dmr

how tf did i reply to that, but i dont know if i like this class having this

[gritty swallow]

are there any balance changes that are realy impactfull?

[compact tundra]

Not really but thermal vision is getting the nullifier treatment

[astral cedar]

New guns and sniper+ ARN ruby

[gritty swallow]

was it even being used?

[compact tundra]

Yea, hell I used it without smoke on darker maps

[astral cedar]

Yes it was

[muted condor]

They should have murdered pike in a back alley with crow bars and stole it kidneys

[astral cedar]

Thermal was good for smoke and non smoke

[stoic garden]

pike is no longer bodyshot king of all medium weapons, winch is now 30% less spammable, h+ infuser got the smallest tweak I've ever seen, demat nerf is kinda big, heal beam buff is not very noticeable but it's good to have

also people are complaining about a certain delay between equipping items and actually using them, might be a server issue as much as it could be a real balance change

[muted condor]

Dual blades remain the worst weapon for another season 😭

[fiery knoll]

mb

[proven compass]

lmao?

[stoic garden]

felt it really hard when playing heavy, grossly clunky feeling

[muted condor]

Oh I suck like crazy for a Bennie

[astral cedar]

Might gap riot now low key

[lapis mauve]

Did they fix the riot shields horrible hit box?

[proven compass]

still can’t believe that the H+ nerf was by a singular point
i was expecting at least 33% if not 50

[astral cedar]

more than anything the visual loss on riot shield makes bishop-ing a lot riskier as you can actually lose track of your opponent

[astral cedar]

They did mostly

From when I used it the bullets really did match up on my side, where the shield was shots got deflected

[lapis mauve]

I'll take it

[winter jay]

idk if its because i havent played in abit but everything feels way slower to come out now

[muted condor]

Naw riot is better in almost every way

[astral cedar]

I heard there was a bug with using items and swapping to something else

[stoic garden]

the riot shield model on players seems to have a different position, like more vertical and on the side of the player

[stoic garden]

like throwing a nade, swapping mid animation and it doesn't throw?

[proven compass]

emeralds are BFR, sniper, P90
Gold sniper, plat BFR, diamond P90 ruby ARN

[hazy spoke]

what is the ruby reward besides the shak-50?

[astral cedar]

Bishopping nerf is pretty huge
I would need more practice to get it down with the new portion of my screen missing

[astral cedar]

Yup

[stoic garden]

omg...

embark nerfing animation canceling once every 2 seasons, it's become a staple

i really hope it's just the servers dying

[cursive owl]

dude this wouldve been so fun on light

[ornate oar]

Is the h infuser still viable?

[stoic garden]

hell yea it is

[lapis mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

[cursive owl]

the p90 is a bit of a pea shooter im ngl

[stoic garden]

the fuck no it isn't

[cursive owl]

idk it kinda takes a while to kill someone

[proven compass]

It’s 14 per shot with a 1.5x
barely less than the M11

[cursive owl]

my aim hasnt been super hot tbf but idk

[stoic garden]

ok but what rpm

[proven compass]

not sure
prob 1k

[cursive owl]

im kinda missing here but it doesnt feel like its melting

[proven compass]

i think based on this clip 900 RPM
15 / second

[cursive owl]

like you gotta shoot the guy with a lot of bullets

[stoic garden]

you're fighting vs a heavy and it's about the range where p90 starts getting dropoff, do you have other clips?

[cursive owl]

nothing notable

[muted condor]

It heals 15 less hit points in total, it’s definitely still viable

[stoic garden]

i played wt game and there were ONLY mediums so I couldn't test

[cursive owl]

i mean i think the m11 is also kind of a pea shooter at times so idk

you shoot someone a million times before they die its like a swarm of bees

[proven compass]

isn’t it 20 less points?
still has a mag of 20

[winter jay]

ok the revolver is crazy and i think the hipfire isnt bad

[muted condor]

Oh yeah I thought it was 15

[proven compass]

went from 300 to 280

still in any practical scenario a full heal on a heavy in 1.4 seconds

[muted condor]

Oh god you can only fully heal a heavy from 70hp now XD

Light is still a better support class than medium

[stoic garden]

and medium is better damage class than light

[hardy dust]

Hopefully h+ gets toned down after majors

They should lower the fire rate instead of the heal per shot

[proven compass]

i’d say the existence of defib makes medium the better support
light is a better healer

[hardy dust]

Why defib if you can prevent death though

[proven compass]

what if the light goes down

[hardy dust]

Id say light is better support since it also has glitch nades, but defib is still super strong

[stoic garden]

did Jesus get defibbed or h+ infused right before dying? call it

[muted condor]

Defib is over rated tbh

[hardy dust]

H+ infused then defibbed 3 days later

[proven compass]

jesus got grabbed by the heavy and walked to the other side of the map before being manually revived 3 days later

[stoic garden]

realest outcome

[proven compass]

poor sap was out of tokens

[stoic garden]

that heavy walked the whole desert...

[compact tundra]

You see jesus was canonically a medium main and the heavy couldn't bear to lose there pocket

[muted condor]

The heavy still stopped the enemy from stealing while the medium was chasing a light 72 miles away

[stoic garden]

multipilication of heals and defibs

[proven compass]

do we think jesus ran the pike or the famas

[stoic garden]

idk i think he ran humanity

[compact tundra]

Jesus would never stoop to such sinful levels, obviously he was a dual blades main

[stoic garden]

or apostles, those do more damage

[muted condor]

👆 👆 👆

[muted condor]

The apostle build went crazy back in the day

[stoic garden]

BUILD?

[compact tundra]

Honestly deserved the nerf

[proven compass]

was judas a sniper light

[stoic garden]

there was a fourth build back then?

[muted condor]

The nerf was dog shit tho, making it only 11 instead of 12 broke the entire thing

[compact tundra]

Bro took over the Roman middle east with 12, 11 was deserved. Now the whole backstab thing mighta been too much

[proven compass]

led the rock ‘n’ romans to the cashout so he could get his 500 gold coins

[muted condor]

Pretty sure Judas used the face stab exploit when it happened

[halcyon zenith]

What is this new delay when using gadgets?
Is this intentional?

[compact tundra]

Surprised they didn't nerf dagger after that, that bullshit was caught on sacred scrolls.

[muted condor]

Threw the match for the clip

[stoic garden]

LMAO

[compact tundra]

True, smh

[muted condor]

Average Judas main

[compact tundra]

Average light main

[proven compass]

Average the finals player tbh

[winter jay]

I don’t know they didn’t mention it anywhere

[compact tundra]

So is there a reason that dual blades got the sorriest buff ever while riots flourishing. Like is it really that big of a deal to accidentally over tune the dual blades and work it back down, are they still holding off for whatever Melee rework they've got cooking?

[cursive owl]

once i actually got on target this didnt feel that fast

[winter jay]

Every time a melee weapon is slightly good people throw a tantrum so I’m assuming they want to avoid that. Riot gif buffed in the midseason and all people did was complain

[cursive owl]

obviously it shreds lights but genuinely what in this game doesnt

[stoic garden]

yeah im testing too and the ttk is not as crazy as people say, seems very lightly faster, with the main advantage being great ammo capacity

and of course, half the range of fcar

[compact tundra]

Yea I get that but it's so dumb, it feels like people's genuine skill issue is going to knee cap an entire weapon class for no real reason.

[cursive owl]

im fine with it

it feels pretty good to use, i think medium is also generally just a better class

well i guess h+ exists now actually but medium has good util

[stoic garden]

yes

[winter jay]

Fr. They actually nerfed riot this patch and gave dual blades the tiniest buff I’ve ever seen

[pine nova]

anyone have the virtual extension AKM mind sharing me a screenshot of how it looks ingame ?

[stoic garden]

takes the entire fucking mag to kill a heavy at max range lol

[cursive owl]

i mean even kinda close it still takes a lot

what i dont think im chill with is the revolver

[muted condor]

With how long they have been cooking their melee “fix” it’s going to be burnt af

[pine nova]

anyone have the virtual extension AKM mind sharing me a screenshot of how it looks ingame ?

[muted condor]

The buff didn’t even change that much it just made it easier to land hits and people started acting like it had 200 damage per swing out of no where

[winter jay]

More people started running it and more people got exposed to it’s absolutely atrocious block hit boxes

[muted condor]

It still loses to sword and sledge so it wasn’t even the best melee

Sledge mains will continue to complain tho despite having the only viable melee weapon

[compact tundra]

Honestly I'm really scared for what they're cooking up with Melee. Like they promised Melee will be viable but they just broke the TA promise so can't trust that. And to me it seems more and more like they have a hyper specific idea for this games playstyle and they won't budge on it, and I don't think Melee fits into that vision all too well. This scares me cause this exact style of balancing is what's killing R6S and would undoubtedly hurt this game as well.

[pine nova]

get all melee out of the game

[muted condor]

Let’s skin this guy alive

[compact tundra]

Actually has no reading comprehension, bros rocking a room temperature IQ

[pine nova]

😨

ok while you're at it tryna skin me alive is there a way to see weapon skins in practise range before buying them ?

[muted condor]

They have been promising that they want melee to be viable but have never done anything to fix it problems. It’s just been a bunch PR to keep people playing

[compact tundra]

That's really what scares me at this point, Cause it seems to me that they easily fold to #👂┇game-feedback style takes

[compact tundra]

No but we wish

[muted condor]

Removing thermal is proof of that

[boreal pike]

I didn’t understand the issue with thermal tbh

[compact tundra]

Thank you!!!! I thought I was being a doomer alone

[vapid frost]

Phoenix skin for the bow 🥶

[pine nova]

oh... anyway still get melee out of the game we don't care about balancing it

[winter jay]

Smoke thermal was counter able but this shit was easily more annoying than melee. You are just blind in the smoke unless you have 1 specific gadget

[eager wasp]

no real easy counter, was used frequently (not ofc in like ruby etc) and tons of bugs with just itself

[muted condor]

It was a kinda annoying play style but not that bad

They left winch tho!

[boreal pike]

Winch got a huge nerf lol

[compact tundra]

And left in the H+ infuser, which is the light gadget that actually deserves the nullifier treatment

[muted condor]

Slightly annoying playstyle vs instant win winch?
Completely remove thermal 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

Peak out of touch dev moment

[muted condor]

Not really it’s still going to do exactly what it did before but less often

[boreal pike]

Winch cooldown on successful grabs was needed imo but the added cool down to misses was unnecessary

[winter jay]

Without winch how would heavy players 1 shot lights this season

[winter jay]

Don’t miss

[boreal pike]

I don’t play heavy

[muted condor]

The horror

[winter jay]

So why do you care that winch was nerfed

[compact tundra]

Not really, winches whole problem is the heavy can get a free kill and then all you need to do is not choke the 3v2. The cooldown doesn't change that

[muted condor]

Winch still goes through mesh shield so it’s still completely broken

[boreal pike]

Redundant ass comment lol

[boreal pike]

Keep your distance

[compact tundra]

Indoors?

[boreal pike]

Ya

[muted condor]

Stay 10m away from every heavy at all times?

[boreal pike]

Did they lower it to 10?

[muted condor]

I forget the exact range

[winter jay]

12m

[boreal pike]

Makes it easier if not at 12

[muted condor]

Worse than I thought

[compact tundra]

Play winch more, you don't seem understand how good it is. It is THE meta pick and always wins. 12m inside a room is impossible to stay out of. On top of forcing a free kill it also is great for stalling and stealing, just overall too powerful when compared to the other specs, especially since it hard counters 2 of them

[winter jay]

It moves the cashout too. It does it all

[muted condor]

They need to make mesh block it, the return hit not grab players, and not stun people when grabbed

[compact tundra]

That's what I meant by stalling and stealing

[winter jay]

I think when Deagle players are running the close range hook spec we have a problem

[muted condor]

I love its ability to move cash outs and really hope that doesn’t get nerfed at all

[compact tundra]

Honestly tho if it doesn't stun then the pullback mechanic is fine

[muted condor]

Increasing the cool down doesn’t actually fix anything it just makes it less fun to play

[compact tundra]

Agreed

[boreal pike]

150 give or take wins with winch is plenty IMO to have an understanding. The cooldowns on missed grabs and the ability to grab on retrieval needs work. Other than that. I think it’s fine. Maybe remove the stun lock. The heavy needs to stay in an intimidating spot and if your not gonna run medium or light, than know your place/positioning. It only takes one time to get grabbed to realize, “ok….keep my distance from heavy”. If you’re a melee player, you’re just complaining about your counter at that point.

[slow linden]

It also works really well with shotguns

[boreal pike]

I also think it needs more effects towards the arena itself. If a wall is damn near about to crumble the winch should be able to pull it apart.

[sudden pewter]

Honestly I’d be okay with it losing the ability to displace enemies in return for enhanced interaction with the arena. Such a thing would likely step on the toes of C&S though

[compact tundra]

Then what was the point in saying you don't play heavy, seems like you were just waiting to bait someone which just nukes your credibility at this point cause your lying about something. Do you not play heavy or do you have 150 wins with one heavy spec alone, those are 2 opposing statements. Secondly just staying out of the heavies range isn't how most game modes work. You have to push the cashbox, you have to fight them. And usually cash boxes are indoors where you can't avoid the winch. Also winch hard counters mesh and CnS which means it directly counters it's own competition which is stupid as shit and makes it basically a must pick. Imagine if dematty could disable turrets and heal beams, it'd be fuckign busted even with the current nerfs. Winch needs to be changed for the heavy meta to diversify

[muted condor]

Nothing will ever replace C&S

[boreal pike]

Jesus take a chill pill or walk away for 10 mins. Not playing heavy and never playing heavy before aren’t the same. So get that straight. Baiting? I’m grown. I don’t do that petty bs. If your counter argument is having to push the COS at the same time getting baited by the enemy team, then strategize around it. As far as mesh and winch. Winch shouldn’t pull Heavy outta mesh. I’ve said that before. Demat doesn’t disable turrets or heal beam, but I’ve been able to dispose of both with demat. Seems you want heavy to diversify in your own needs and not in a matter of the game in its entirety….Like how I said….I don’t play heavy. Doesn’t mean I don’t want better or Heavy players to have their niche.

[muted condor]

Heavy players literally want the winch gutted

I think Iv seen heavy mains hating it more than any other class

[boreal pike]

All I’ve seen and heard is give it a rework for them to keep even more grounded/campy lol

[eager wasp]

true as a light (dagger) and heavy enjoyer (who uses winch btw) winch needs to be gutted, i literally just wanna be able to winch cashouts, and thats it, i HATE it bc it feels scummy to use, i barely use it on people other than to take them off cashouts

[muted condor]

Keeping my spear gutted too

[boreal pike]

That just sounds goofy. A device that can pull a 200lb + vault but not a 90lb light…..

[eager wasp]

or to turn it into a team gadget where i can silly winch my teammates that would be cooler

[boreal pike]

I’ve said give it the ability to pull teammates but that can lead to griefing

[eager wasp]

anything can lead to griefing oops, wrong reply

[muted condor]

I want to run other specs but it’s not possible

[boreal pike]

Not directly

[muted condor]

They could turn it into something similar to the lock bolt that doesn’t pull enemies in but hold them to you

[boreal pike]

Now we are just enter the re work rabbit hole again lol

[muted condor]

Anything besides what we have now would be better

[boreal pike]

I still feel the breach charge needs to be an alt fire for the MGL

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/peta-farbar-petr-farbar-peter-farbar-gif-15417317830124358582

[boreal pike]

lol ya ya ya. I enjoy whimsical wacky shit

[muted condor]

I think a good buff for the MGL would be letting it explode on contact with enemies but does less damage without a bounce

[boreal pike]

Fair, don’t give it the grenade indicator either UNLESS it bounces. Oops sorry, I don’t play heavy. What am I saying.

[spice copper]

Weren’t we supposed to get the Head2Head model skin?

[boreal pike]

Did you complete all the contracts? I believe you gotta do that to get it. I didn’t play too much so I had 9/10 and I don’t believe I have it.

[silent abyss]

I had 10/10 and i got it so probably missed one

[sinful dagger]

I never got it but completed all contracts

[compact tundra]

150 wins is nothing to scoff at. That's a significant amount of play time especially for 1 spec on 1 class. And I wasn't heated, I simply made my first message off the assumption your "I don't play heavy" statement was true, which was countered by "150 give or take wins with winch is plenty IMO to have an understanding". Whether intentional or not I was baited into making a point that you had a counter to, bait isn't necessarily immature or wrong, just a sign of a poorly thought out argument, which I pointed out. Sorry if it came off as an insult that was not the intention. Secondly you point out that having to push the COS while getting baited by the enemy team is something you need to play around, but the problem is the difference in output between your team and the enemy heavy. All the heavy has to do is hunker down with winch and your entire team now has to play around that. They singlehandedly control the tempo of the fight just by the sheer threat of being winched and forced into a 3v2. The problem is the winch dictates this entire encounter. Sorry it took so long to type I'm kinda busy at work rn

[wary cliff]

hello everyone i dont know if anyone has said this already but the timing is fucked for EVERYTHING. goo nades arent deploying and defibs arent coming out at the time they are supposed to... also CRAZY lag and stutters. not gonna play ranked until they release a hotfix for at least those two but overall nice stuff embark

[normal ice]

just want to add my 2 cents that yeah, winch nerfs missed the point

Not happy with the balancing in general

[boreal pike]

I appreciate your apology. My 150 wins are strictly based off me knowing I had to get that many for a trophy. Getting such, I used merely winch and sometimes Goo gun. I’d say with that, me being a nerd for the game, and 1521hrs in would at least allow me to have that understanding which is fair to say the least considering the specs use overall isn’t much to grasp. Pun intended. I enjoyed that campy nature of the heavy. But I still have to disagree with you on tempo. More times than few, I have more issues(not balance wise) with C&S. As I said before, I always keep it noted that if a heavy has winch I need to change up my own tempo to counter. That to me kinda goes without saying for ALL play styles. Winch does need a change, but not necessarily in the direction that keeps heavy on their toes. IMO that will push heavy in the medium direction.

[hazy spoke]

are ruby rewards already out?

[tiny glen]

does someone have the magnifex sight for the repeater?

[tiny glen]

?

[hazy spoke]

?

[tiny glen]

do uhave it

[normal ice]

clanker interaction in progress

[hazy spoke]

yeh

[boreal pike]

You gots the stuff?

[hazy spoke]

?

[compact tundra]

I think the difference here is I don't see heavy as campy, goo gun heavy can be but in general heavy is the 1v1 king, medium is a team player that excels in team fights, and lights great at hitting from angles and staying alive. Heavy isn't really being played optimally if they're camping since they need to be the one taking fights for the team. The light and medium can't start fights so the heavy needs to. And with that having a spec on the best 1v1 class in the game that allows for a free kill is very powerful. And on top of that you can stop steals and reposition the cash box easily. It's extremely powerful and hard counters it's own competition which is the problem for me. I think winch should not stun enemies for longer than it stuns you and shouldn't go through shields. It should also force the CnS to slam but not pull them in so that it still can counter them but not hard counter them. I think this would make it healthier overall and keep it's current uses.

[real veldt]

was there a change to how fast you can pull things out and use them across the board? jump pad and demat feel super sluggish to use

[normal ice]

yes

[real veldt]

bruh i hate this change

breaks the flow

[compact tundra]

Oh God this gonna kill barricades for me

[wide ruin]

heavy is not 1v1 king anymore with the p90. its insane

[stoic garden]

bro it's not that good

it has similar dps to akm, just with more ammo

heavy still solos mediums 90% of the time

[boreal pike]

My usual trio plays big on bait and switch tactics with either L,M,H, or M,M,H and our heavy usually comes in last, following our light. I know, SUPER unorthodox and niche but it works for us. All 3 of us made it emerald S7 using it so I can’t hate on it at all and no winch was used(this is well after I stopped playing heavy to get my achievement lol). As far as it working in rank, we will see this season, but more than likely with have to change given the changes this season. This is what I meant by catering to specific play styles. Originally you came off as a dedicated melee player, so I can understand the frustration, but it’s deserved. But…..If you’re wanting more utility for heavy, that’s a good thing, I’m all for that, but let’s take it up a notch(keep it heavy) and not so much play like medium because that’s how it seemed tbh. Appreciate you being thorough. Hope works going well.

[wide ruin]

tweaking if you dont think its good. you lose 400 hp in 3 secs if theres two meds. you lose 1v1s with most guns unless you got KS

trading damage with the shak isnt smart either

[compact tundra]

So for context I was a sword main but honestly clamping has killed the fun for me and I've been playing a lot more mesh flamethrower. and usually winch isn't a problem for me since I play weapons/kits that excel at close range 1v1's, so even if I'm winched I have the dash skills/flamethrower to usually win the fight. The problem is the one sided nature of winch in general and the lack of counters to it / the fact that it counters the other options heavies could run. Winch is a relatively easy to use, versatile spec that counters it's own competition. So even if a high elo player wanted to run something else they can't because winch counters what they want to run so they have to stick with winch. I don't want winch gutted but it does need some real nerfs outside of just increasing the charge time which doesn't solve any of the issues that make it a must pick. Also I've found emerald doesn't really run the meta like diamond or Ruby because getting to emerald is a testament to your ability to grind rather than skill level, you don't lose elo on losses so you just have to grind to emerald, it's quicker if you're good but not necessary. So the meta doesn't affect WT the same way.

[boreal pike]

Thats fair and understandable. I JUST got my 3 stack last season. Ranked was too much a grind soloq in S5 and S6 for me and our 3rd is a 10 year old. So I didnt wanna throw him straight into hell, especially with him being a new player lol. The one sided nature I think wouldn't be nearly a problem as long as mesh could counter. That alone would change the pace quickly. Especially with the new fail-grab cool down. I totally get your point. I just dont see it being in too much of a better position without being too focused on either casual or comp play and not both.

[forest birch]

Sorry if this has been said I just got home to test, the new revolver while feeling punchy and strong, also just doesnt feel right? Idk if I am not using it right because its new but it feels off

[compact tundra]

Oh in casual winch isn't really a problem, it's just upper ranked from my experience. Casual has no meta, I've seen dual blades and CL-40s stomp casual matches. Hell I've seen a dagger stomp without going for backstabs, casual is a different beast and winch is fine there. It's just ranked where the issue is, and I think just having shields block it, CnS cancel out with it rather than being countered, and winch not giving the heavy a stun advantage would be enough and could even let it get the current nerf undone. I just think as is nothing's gonna change cause this nerf doesn't address the actual issue.

[fading mirage]

Any body have footage of p90 with the new 30$ skin

[woven sequoia]

30 Dollar skin?

[compact tundra]

Probably means the ultimate battle pass skin

[boreal pike]

Ya, in casual, anything goes really. But last season I didnt see much of a difference between WT and Ranked(me watching others climb while streaming) It definitely had a much more attrition like tempo last season because of winch and the heal meta. But I didnt necessarily ever hear complaints because of winch. Maybe the H+ complaints flooded it. But yet again, proves we all have our neche and play styles lol.

[woven sequoia]

Ahhh, lemme get a video of it then

[compact tundra]

Winch is definitely complained about just not as much as other stuff that's even more bs like the H+. Also comp complaints tend to get drowned out by the sea of casual lights complaining about riot shield, sword, or double barrel. But most comp players I've talked to want the winch nerfed since it's so meta-dominant, same with dematty. They were very meta defining list season and ruled the diamond and above lobbies

[woven sequoia]

wait nvm can´t stick videos here xd it´s prob on youtube already someone for sure paid to boost the whole pass

[forest birch]

@woven sequoia Lycommit the twitch streamer has the skin already

He was using exclusively the p90 today so lots of footage

[compact tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-no-no-embed-megamind-megamind-meme-gif-25261934

[boreal pike]

If winch could be worked like demat id be happy. I dont mind the demat change.

[woven sequoia]

It's pretty cool just wish you could turn off somehow the VFX floating around, i had the same issue with the last season skins
Now that the VFX of the characters skins is a separate equipement tab it should be the same for weapons

[compact tundra]

I've already stated what I think it needs but honestly as long as it doesn't counter the other heavy specs I'm happy

[cunning wyvern]

New heavy revolver feel like carpel tunnel maxing

Straight up not fun to use on controller

[wispy bloom]

you mean something like a startup animation before its thrown?

[boreal pike]

Like a lasso wrap up. I myself didnt care about its use so much, but if that could help put it in a position generally liked by both casual and comp players, hell yeah. Ngl id look cool and feel more rewarding probably.

Lasso wrap up*(swing it by your side before you launch it forward) not an actual lasso lol

[wispy bloom]

yea that would look cool actually, could even give it unique animation sets and give it back its original cd

kinda wish riot shield/dual blades could block it

[fading mirage]

Yeah unlimited pass with the new smoke visuals

[fading mirage]

Can u send it to me private I can’t find on YouTube I need to see what the new vfx on the p90 look like

[boreal pike]

If you use the block, you should at least take the stun dmg, but not be pulled in. Ill take that

Stun/chip dmg

[compact tundra]

That's why I say shields should block it, cause I want all shields to be able to block it.

[boreal pike]

Agree. That should just be a given for the game. Like how I mentioned the winch to have more arena capabilities. Without leaning to close to C&S and Demat. I once went to pull an enemy and grabbed debris behind him, it pulled both him and the wall but really slow. I would like to see a weight change. Especially with the new smoother destruction.

[compact tundra]

I honestly wouldn't mind this but I could see it being really annoying if you miss a winch and end up pulling a wall to yourself instead

[compact tundra]

What if it let you pull enemy deployables. So you could winch someone's turret or barricade, that would make it function as a diet reshaper for heavy and would give it more versatility

[woven sequoia]

done

[timber sparrow]

Chat what do we think of the p90

[worldly maple]

Seems pretty powerful

And a great addition to the Medium roster

[timber sparrow]

Seems like its gonna be a nightmare to fight as a melee user but I kinda want to try it myself to learn how to play against it, definitely seems powerful from what ive seen

[wide ruin]

medium > heavy > light because of p90

[obsidian nexus]

canceling steals with googun is back. that was patched right?\

[worldly maple]

The BFR is probably the closest we’ll get to a Colt SAA

Which is a shame

[compact tundra]

What could you possibly want reverted on the frag? People be asking to revert anything these days

[stoic garden]

that was a bug at the beginning of season 7, which was patched the week after

[worldly maple]

Getting 2 Nades, or getting its 150 damage back, Removing both put it in the gutter

[stoic garden]

exactly

[compact tundra]

Why does everyone want shit to one tap lights, being one tapped isn't fun. I'm ok with 2 grenades tho, nerfing to 1 was dumb

[stoic garden]

150 dmg was only when u crouched on top of the grenade btw

[obsidian nexus]

being 1 tapped isnt fun indeed. playing against lights isnt fun as a whole

[stoic garden]

i dont think you play winch claw enough

[woven sequoia]

Honestly, if with the new grenade warning and dash being the most played spec, if you get oneshot to a 150 nade now it's on you entirely, no more blaming the game for not seeing the nade

[worldly maple]

Took the words out of my mouth

[stoic garden]

you dont even need dash to avoid the oneshot in most cases, but i'd rather take the 140 just to be sure, two charges is already enough for me

not that i'd run frags tho

[worldly maple]

Yeah see?

It’s just. . Massively outclassed right now.

[normal ice]

I'd also take 2 charges of 140 damage

Unironically been running Pyro Nade for damage instead

[compact tundra]

Well lucky for you while heavy and medium get to play with their new toys light keeps getting the belt from old daddy embark so I'm sure it'll be more manageable this season.

[stoic garden]

nades in general that aren't glitch are kinda outclassed maybe outside of spamming smoke and rarely gas

like either nerf glitch nades to one or buff the others my fella

[winter jay]

I can’t wait to play some double barrel and get melted by the 50 round mag and nuked by the BFR

[worldly maple]

Before this season, Light had 2 more guns than everyone else

[stoic garden]

right there's sonar too, that's one great nade that should stay at two charges imo

[worldly maple]

True!

[compact tundra]

Dagger and sword have been beaten so thoroughly I don't think we can count them

[winter jay]

Can we count dual blades and spear though

[woven sequoia]

Oh it's gonna be more manageable for sure 😆 i played one match and after the 5th time i got RPGd+bodyshot with the BFR i had enough of Light for the foreseeable future

[stoic garden]

just play medium rn ngl

the p90 is so fun it's like playing light but you can actually get hit without dying

[compact tundra]

No, so I guess light gets the one gun advantage

Actually spear counts if they fix the hit reg

[winter jay]

I don’t even think they’ve acknowledged it’s broken

[gritty swallow]

Is BFR just medium revolver but way better range, and for heavy?

[stoic garden]

essentially yes

[compact tundra]

Nope but realistically when do they acknowledge shit. They didn't even acknowledge why they nerfed sword until 4 months after the nerf. And even then they only went over why to get us off their backs so they could beat it again

[worldly maple]

+Damage
+Range
+Heavy build

-Fire rate
-Round reload
-Headshot multi

[woven sequoia]

Yes, and also it 2 bodies lights, the medium revolver leaves them at 10

[winter jay]

They gave heavy a sniper and called it a pistol don’t be fooled by embarks lies 🙏

[stoic garden]

They gave heavy a sniper and called it a pistol don’t be fooled by embarks lies 🙏

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

[winter jay]

True I am kinda hungry

[stoic garden]

hyenas are much more beautiful than this mf

[muted condor]

Sorry I have a visceral reaction every time I read the words heavy sniper

[stoic garden]

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-spotted-hyena-mozzarella-sticks-yeen-gif-14614464468412787782

[compact tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

[stoic garden]

im sorry bro but that's literally what it is

[winter jay]

I don’t even want a sniper I want an aa12 or something

[muted condor]

I’m going to send the Sheldon gif >:)

[stoic garden]

i woulda loved that auto shotgun people thought the brf was gonna be

[compact tundra]

I'll behave I'm sorry

[muted condor]

Lmao

[winter jay]

What’s the Sheldon gif

[gritty swallow]

so dubbel barrel is now even more risky to play, great

[indigo nexus]

To me this kind of just sounds like the SA12, but less interesting

[muted condor]

It’s a super high quality gif that crashes Unjust’s discord

[winter jay]

Incredible

[muted condor]

It’s just the Sheldon dome skin spinning in a circle

[compact tundra]

It literally freezes my phone until I close discord which takes like a minute with that damn thing active

[stoic garden]

held at gunpoint

[compact tundra]

It's actually a ddos attack at this point

[muted condor]

It makes my phone run slow

[winter jay]

That’s super funny ngl

[worthy wedge]

P90 is absolutely getting a nerf, probably within the next 14 days

[stoic garden]

P90 DOES NOT NEED A NERF 😭

[compact tundra]

This server is genuine pay to win

[worthy wedge]

It's the best medium weapon by an order of magnitude

[stoic garden]

no, that's called pike

[worthy wedge]

You would have been right if you'd said that like 4 hours ago

[stoic garden]

dude p90 kills just very slightly faster than akm, it's just easier to use

[muted condor]

Pike got a nerf and a buff

It’s probably still extremely good

[stoic garden]

also it has half the range 💀

[worthy wedge]

Heavy revolver by comparison looks like a joke, who is this for

[compact tundra]

All the people that complained about the KS not having headshots

[stoic garden]

i hope your quick cash games are filled with people generously demonstrating you it can deal full damage from 40 meters

[worldly maple]

L ragebait

[stoic garden]

truthnuke actually

[worthy wedge]

I don't play quick cash but I can tell you right now with no changes the p90 will be comfortably the most played weapon a month from now

[unreal prawn]

Anybody seen a lot of dagger lately

[winter jay]

I double dinked a guy from 40m out it’s insane

[worldly maple]

I wanna get the BFR it looks fun

[compact tundra]

From what I've heard it is not that good. It's a solid weapon but has weak range and a ttk only slightly better than the AR's

[stoic garden]

i think people will slowly realize it's balanced and hop on other longer ranged ar's smoothing out the usage rates ❤️

SOLAR SAVE ME GIVE US A CHART PLEASE

[indigo nexus]

P90 seems pretty fair to me but I don’t yet have all the numbers I need to make accurate graphs for it

[stoic garden]

💔 i'll have to wait

[indigo nexus]

I’ll probably get that sorted tomorrow

[woven sequoia]

I think it´s 14 to the body? or something like that, which seems pretty stronk with 50 rounds and that ROF, you can miss half the mag and still kill a medium without a single headshot

I had a ton of fun today but it's prob gonna get some sort of nerf cause we can't have Medium playing anything other than the AKM or the FCAR

[stoic garden]

i dont know if to scream like a maniac that p90 is actually balanced or sit and wait for solar to cover the entire channel in ttk stats

either way, if the complaints keep up it'll actually get nerfed 😢

[normal ice]

does the BFR LITERALLY have a 40 meter range without falloff? please tell me you were joking

[stoic garden]

i got hit for full damage at 35, so i suppose it can at 40 too

[normal ice]

good god

[stoic garden]

i'll actually check that right now

[vague verge]

bfr is heavy's only fun weapon atm

and god knows heavy cant be fun so I give it a month

[indigo nexus]

Indeed, and 21 to the head

It’s very comparable to the M11 as it fills about the same role

[stoic garden]

literally the same role

[worldly maple]

You cannot say that with a straight face while the minigun is right there

[vague verge]

it was only fun when it first came out, now its heavily team reliant

[wispy bloom]

some of the sh ppl post in #👂┇game-feedback gotta be ragebait

[stoic garden]

ok damage indeed starts falling off at 35 meters exactly, 40 meters takes an additional shot for all classes

[vague verge]

no they're just fucking idiots

[vague verge]

I had a guy call me mentally deficient in dms because he was angry that the solution for constantly dying to mines was "get good"

[worldly maple]

Once I discovered it could break structures, it became much more powerful for me

[vague verge]

"discovered"????? NEW GEN 🫵

[stoic garden]

if you're struggling in that department i suggest using goo gun to block people and let you have time to rev up

[worldly maple]

I’ve been playing since season two don’t even start with me

[wispy bloom]

light's gadgets lamer than the class designed to be "mid"...

[vague verge]

fym discovered

[normal ice]

that's quite a lot. Thanks for sharing

[worldly maple]

I was shooting a wall.

and the wall broke.

[vague verge]

do you not read patch notes

[worldly maple]

I don’t care enough to do that half the time

[woven sequoia]

That's still insane with that dmg

[indigo nexus]

Every weapon can break walls when fired for long enough, except the flamethrower I think

[worldly maple]

Most of the time the changes are so small for me that they don’t matter

And if my gun happens to not feel right, then oh well, I use a different one

[terse gorge]

@delicate flare why you think you get 750 multibucks from wt?

[stoic garden]

damage dropoff is very lenient, seems to deal about 60 or so damage at max range

[vague verge]

i didnt fully read them cause I had to go to school but what the everloving fuck is this?

[normal ice]

not enough, that's what

[vague verge]

ubisoft level nerfing what the fuck

[delicate flare]

The world tour rank system

[stoic garden]

make that 70, leaving a light with half a bar from 60 meters

[vague verge]

its not that its not enough or too much, but its just not right

[vocal stone]

Hey guys, was wondering: did you get your Model skin from that CNS vs Vaia thing? 'Cause I didn't get my and I'm 100% sure that every contract was completed

[worldly maple]

You get multibucks for each rank up

[compact tundra]

That nerf is barley gonna effect the actual pick rate of winch

[vague verge]

as a winch main all it does is make me more conservative with it

[stoic garden]

HOLY SHIT BRF ONESHOTS ZIPLINES

[normal ice]

yeah, they missed the whole point with those nerfs :/

[terse gorge]

the numbers dont add, they change

[vague verge]

make it so that winch just launches the player behind you instead of placing him at your feet

[spark igloo]

I do but they usually go 0-3 and then swap

[compact tundra]

Yea that's the problem with the nerf. It addresses none of the issues and just makes winch less fun

[indigo nexus]

So probably a 0.7x falloff multiplier

[normal ice]

that sounds silly but it's actually super relevant. why tf does it do that

[delicate flare]

Bronze 1 give u 50 silver 1 gives u 100 gold 1 give u 150 platinum 1 give u 200 and diamond 1 gives u 250 all that gi e u 750 mutibucks

[vague verge]

its way too restrictive for the victim so it just needs a rework

[indigo nexus]

It’s not cumulative

[terse gorge]

they dont add up on one another, they change

[delicate flare]

That so stupid

[terse gorge]

correct

[stoic garden]

IT ONESHOTS TREES AS WELL

[terse gorge]

they cant give you nearly a full bp per season lol

[vague verge]

why the fuck would they nerf the pike when no one uses it already

[compact tundra]

Wait, is it literally a straight upgrade to the KS-23

[terse gorge]

it was top two weapons in top ranked lol

[vague verge]

its not even a big nerf so what the fuck was the point of that

[compact tundra]

That would be so fucking stupid

[normal ice]

pike was OVERnerfed honestly

[delicate flare]

Stupid as hell they y put that all there but u get the rest for hit emerald 1

[terse gorge]

not three shotting lights

[vague verge]

top ranked is not the average player

[indigo nexus]

Pike was pretty much the undisputed medium meta. Though I think the nerf may have been a little harsh

[compact tundra]

They stealth buffed the headshots so it might balance out

[terse gorge]

Then why complain, four hits on light instead of three should be manageable

[stoic garden]

btw, it deals double damage on head now

[indigo nexus]

According to Matt this was an accidental change and will be reverted ASAP

[delicate flare]

I'm pretty good at the game 822 hours fellas and ladies

[vague verge]

because it nerfs the average player more than it does top ranked

[compact tundra]

Huh, that's kinda weird

[spark igloo]

LOLLLL HOW DO U LET THAT HAPPEN

[normal ice]

Wait, Pike has x2 headshots now?

[indigo nexus]

Misclick + mis-input I guess. And didn’t get noticed in QA

[vague verge]

we aint letting you hit

[terse gorge]

then it is crazy that you never got that you only get 250 m8

[terse gorge]

you have no idea dude, pike was annoying on every rank. I know it cause I played it to get plat lmfao

[stoic garden]

also, it breaks walls in 16 shots

[spark igloo]

I've played one game so far and they completely broke the input buffer system my hope for this game is actually nonexistent

[compact tundra]

Oh ok. Much better

[stoic garden]

which is really good 🔥

[terse gorge]

only reloading and shooting for a straight minute😂

[knotty ferry]

is the p90 dirty?

[stoic garden]

when i saw my goo nades didnt throw like half the time cuz i swapped to fast i died inside

[compact tundra]

Literally the M11 with 50+ bullets

[knotty ferry]

sheeeeeesh

[spark igloo]

they also readded the s2 bug where your loadout doesnt save LOL

[indigo nexus]

I noticed that they seemed to make gadget deployment animations no longer “commit” past a certain point like they used to, or… something like that. Wasn’t mentioned in patch notes so I hope it’s accidental

[boreal laurel]

It’s annoying, but no more so than AK or FCAR or FAMAS. Once the popularity spike dies down I think it’ll be fine

[knotty ferry]

better than the xp at range tho?

[terse gorge]

nah

[compact tundra]

No it has shit range

[sullen bear]

Does anyone know the zoom amounts for the two pike scopes?

[indigo nexus]

Its range is closer to that of the M11’s

[knotty ferry]

bet. XP is sub machine range king

[boreal laurel]

That I’m not sure, but I HIHLY doubt it

[stoic garden]

metal boxes found inside the practice range house in 11

[normal ice]

I think it's an extension of how they made a lot of weapons deploy slower. Honestly, I hate it. Worst way to lower the skill floor ever

[sullen bear]

Or does anyone know which scope zooms further

[terse gorge]

dont wanna speak against the argument, I‘m just presenting the facts. No pun intended

[vague verge]

what

[terse gorge]

what

[stoic garden]

what

[terse gorge]

what

[indigo nexus]

Not sure what this has to do with skill, but I think it’s less intuitive that swapping marginally too early will now cancel the animation even if it was intuitively in a state where going back just doesn’t make sense

[terse gorge]

boring, lets keep up with what

[indigo nexus]

?

[woven sequoia]

So that's why my nades were disappearing mid animation lol

[terse gorge]

…

[compact tundra]

You broke the chain you data sheet goblin

[delicate flare]

Who all in here has been playing since the beta came out

[vague verge]

yes we saw thank you

[terse gorge]

me

[terse gorge]

You‘re welcome

[delicate flare]

Beta was definitely better

[stoic garden]

from 12 to 16 for a wooden floor inside the same house

[indigo nexus]

I missed out on closed betas but am an OB player.

[boreal laurel]

I started playing in the OB

[terse gorge]

Beta was literally a different fucking game. Theres some bad and a lot of good parts to that

[delicate flare]

Beta the characters move way faster then now

[normal ice]

Slower equip/unequip speeds mean you're not missing out as much by sticking to the same item or not changing between items as quickly. It also lowers the skill ceiling. Honestly in this case, it hardly affects the skill, but it technically does

[glossy void]

nerf the P90 fr

[terse gorge]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1183069658086117447

[compact tundra]

Did you play it, that shit was unbalanced as hell

[terse gorge]

in beta you didnt get multibucks for playing

[compact tundra]

Do I need to remind you of the open beta flame thrower

[terse gorge]

although it was fun as hell too cause it was new

[delicate flare]

It was unbalanced as hell but movement was so much better

[compact tundra]

To be fair in the open beta your got 10,000 free multibucks so it's cool

[terse gorge]

S1 my beloved

[terse gorge]

True point but you didnt keep it, although I wouldnt have wondered when I‘m looking at embark now😂

[indigo nexus]

It seems like you are describing something completely separate to what I was talking about. But, why is that lowering a skill ceiling? You’d think swapping being a more punishing move would raise it due to precise decision making being prioritised

[smoky jackal]

revert the sword changes. the p90 does moredmg than the sword lunge does. wtf is this?

[spark igloo]

beta was a handful of balance changes away from a working game and some gamemode changes from a great one

theyve made so many irreversible terrible changes since

[terse gorge]

go play cod if you want movement. Also Apex and titanfall, honorable mention

[terse gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-twisted-roll-gif-11763346714153694928

[indigo nexus]

I’m not certain about this, but I don’t think that ever changed? They just changed the default FOV and some movement related FOV effects and people thought it had been slowed.

[compact tundra]

Yea, losing all the outfits and weapons I had in season 1 was a massive bummer and is a big reason I didn't really get super back into the game until season 3

[terse gorge]

Worst point of getting back in lmfao

[compact tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-steal-gif-gif-steal-gif-gets-stolem-gif-7935542554022949277

[normal ice]

That makes sense, but the way I see it, slowing down the rate you can swap items means there are less possible actions per minute you can perform, and thus, the skill ceiling is lower. You can physically take more time to line up your grenade throws or demats because it takes longer to pull them out anyway

[delicate flare]

They took so much off characters the movement the the Rader ability for the light couple other things 2 some ppl don't no how to stay with ur group in the game too that y it was unbalanced too some ppl didn't even know wtf they were doing

[terse gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-steal-gif-gif-steal-gif-gets-stolem-gif-7935542554022949277

[indigo nexus]

Guess it depends on if you see it as relativistic or objective.

[worldly maple]

slander in my discord server

[indigo nexus]

Radar ability for light? Do you mean recon senses for medium?

[delicate flare]

Yeah

Was it for the medium

[terse gorge]

I probably wont change your mind, and I dont know what you played before finals and how many seasons of finals you played, but believe me, the game is in a better state now

[delicate flare]

It's been a min

[forest birch]

Trying to read this made me lose the match i was playing

[terse gorge]

yes and crazy unbalanced. They literally added a whole nother ability to compensate. No other game company would literally remove something cause it was unbalanced and bad for the game

[compact tundra]

Phhhhh

[terse gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-me-adrian-boseman-the-good-fight-look-its-me-i-cant-relate-gif-21896793

[delicate flare]

Exactly

[terse gorge]

what?

[normal ice]

Just to be clear, they didn't say Demat was a replacement. They suggested Recon Senses could come back reworked. I wish it would. It's been five fucking seasons with no new spec...

[indigo nexus]

I do think that a flat out wall hacks specialisation was a bit of a lame idea

[muted condor]

I almost hit a family of three trying to read it while driving rn

[delicate flare]

Definitely was too much wall hacks

[stoic garden]

now you can actually hack walls

[terse gorge]

they said in some dev stream that they probably wont but they will try to bring it back in as many forms as possible. One of the events this season was one of those

[delicate flare]

They could of kept the recon ability in game if they did wall hacks with the medium

[stoic garden]

no

[muted condor]

I wish they actually replaced it

[terse gorge]

pls try to write a readable message, I‘m serious. I cant argue with you if I dont understand what you are saying

[terse gorge]

what with who

[muted condor]

The recon ability with anything

[compact tundra]

Make thermal vision the new recon senses and make it dual class?

[terse gorge]

I mean demat was the replacement kinda. Or do you mean with another recon ability

[terse gorge]

oh hell no😂

[delicate flare]

What they did to the nullifier was kinda stupid too should just kept it the same

[muted condor]

Wasn’t demat a while after?

[compact tundra]

Smoke and thermal riot, I think hell yes

[stoic garden]

demat was introduced in season 2

[delicate flare]

Just rename it was stupid too

[terse gorge]

They removed recon sensors s2 and added demat s2

[terse gorge]

ok you got me

[stoic garden]

s2 trailer still the best trailer

[muted condor]

Wait why is medium so shafted in Spec and weapons then?

[terse gorge]

YES, also nullifier: BEST CHANGE EVER

[delicate flare]

Now the thermal vision inls under mantinace lol 😆

[terse gorge]

I get the feeling that @delicate flare likes light

[normal ice]

btw i like how they didn't buff breach drill at all

[muted condor]

Maybe

[delicate flare]

I like all use all light and medium and heavy

[stoic garden]

yea i tried using that shit while i was playing triple heal beam with friends, it's ASS

[compact tundra]

Are you having a stroke my guy, what is your English

[forest birch]

Bondo has to be a government plant

[muted condor]

It’s already in the same category as the mgl

[terse gorge]

I know one person using that thing. Seems like there are enough that embark thinks its not worth changing

[stoic garden]

maybe dont give it two charges, but please make it throwable or something

[normal ice]

If it just finished its silly animation 0.25s faster or something, I'd respect it

[delicate flare]

My English is bdjdh uhrjsjzx

[terse gorge]

Dont do him too dirty lmfao, we dont wanna scare him away

[stoic garden]

having to manually place it with very limited reach sucks

[delicate flare]

😆 🤣 😂

[compact tundra]

I'm genuinely concerned

[delicate flare]

I'm sorry I had to it was funny

[red pumice]

Are you sure

[terse gorge]

@delicate flare as much as we joke about you, there are no haters here m8

[stoic garden]

also sometimes it creates a large hole, sometimes it's as tiny as a fire barrel

[muted condor]

Having a stronk call a Bondolance

[compact tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-goku-goku-mad-goku-dbs-dbs-gif-11120329515669448575

[terse gorge]

Be careful mon ami, we arent the american government

[delicate flare]

Just got to have good laugh every once in a while

[red pumice]

Joke's on you, I am American

[delicate flare]

Lol 😆

[stoic garden]

lol 🤣

[muted condor]

You sure about that

[terse gorge]

Bro just pulled an uno reverse on himself

[delicate flare]

It's alright I skipped it too

[terse gorge]

yeah, anything is better then what is going on over there lmfao

[muted condor]

I am the government

[terse gorge]

I talked with a guy in this chat a while ago who was concerned about his safety because of ICE

[muted condor]

I’m John America

[terse gorge]

Somehow Palpatine returned ah sentence

[delicate flare]

Lol

[muted condor]

I’m going to Freedom all over the place

[terse gorge]

God bless America, god bless the military

[terse gorge]

Helldivers 2 reference?

[muted condor]

And gentlemen START YOUR ENGINES!!!

[terse gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-helldivers-2-freedom-never-sleeps-gif-6626715468368876008

[muted condor]

America reference

[delicate flare]

B1GB0YST0N3R look me up im on here

[terse gorge]

oh yeah sorry. The two are getting too similar

[terse gorge]

what? Whats the context? Sorry, but no one asked

[muted condor]

I want to find the clip of the announcer saying that now

[terse gorge]

For your new phone ringing sound?

an alarm with that would be actually nice

https://tenor.com/view/where-did-you-guys-go-rob-dyrdek-ridiculousness-where-are-you-what-happened-gif-17395519

[delicate flare]

Still on here

[terse gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[muted condor]

Found it
https://youtube.com/shorts/YAiYLdwgtnw?si=GrksvI6_4TYHD-13

[delicate flare]

Bout to get some ranked play

[terse gorge]

oh I know that one. Very nice comedy

[muted condor]

My criticisms of my country leaving my body after a Euro tries to talk shit

[terse gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/himym-ted-you-chose-poorly-you-have-choosen-poorly-elegir-gif-13625278

[honest thistle]

i love the .50 akimbos

[terse gorge]

finally a sane thought😂

[honest thistle]

lol the world does be a crazy one

[terse gorge]

read the chat. We went from nostalgia feelings to the defence of America

[terse gorge]

ohhh….. I see the dots

[honest thistle]

😂

[clever hollow]

What is the range of the new revolver before damage falloff?

[proper comet]

GRENADES HAVE A DEPLOY LAG NEW TO THIS SEASON, BUG OR INTENTIONAL?

[lavish swallow]

I dont understand the fucking design "philospohy" behind nerfing sword to the ground, then introducing two weapons that shred a light in a second on body. Its really great to give a melee to the class with the tiniest health bar in the game, then make it deal almost no damage, lock the angle of its lunge so you can never kill a competent light, and overall just fucking ruin the weapon.

also EVERY RANGED LIGHT WEAPON LITERALLY KILLS ANOTHER LIGHT IN A SECOND OR LESS. But god FUCKING forbid the melee weapon that requires you to spend your specialization to even get a kill on anyone actually be USEFUL IN COMPARISON TO ANY OF THEM.

There were like

multiple actual good ways to nerf the weapon, and they chose the single most gutting one. They removed any kind of skill expression from combos, because m1 spam is just better. And they made m1 the only option because lunge is actually unsuable.

and every single fucking finals community member for SOME UNGODLY REASON, ACTUALLY SUPPORTS THIS SHIT.

All we had to do, was just remove the cleave. Revert to 140 lunge damage. Leave it the fuck alone. It was fine. But no, we had to not only gut it, but remove 90% of the tech that made the weapon fun in the first place.

And now all I can do is scream into the void at something that will never change. Melee players don't get to enjoy this game. Especially not sword users.

[balmy ingot]

To be fair. The light weapons are all doing more damage than all other classes.

Swords are an easy weapon to use. It doesn’t take much “skill” to use swords. 🗡️ the LH1 is a Beamer. Just gotta hit your shots.

Like let’s be real. Who wants a dagger coming up behind them. One tapping them.

And let’s all agree the SH1900 is an absolute unit.

Light weapons^

Heavy weapons v

Like brother. A m60 should be dropping all players. Let alone the mini gun. It’s not tho.

[smoky jackal]

@mortal sonnet games been dead since they let average streamers make game changes (sword nerf)

[tepid furnace]

whinging about dagger but embracing SH1900 when it does everything the dagger does but better

[balmy ingot]

Because it takes more skill to use the DB aiming just right to get a Two tap shot off. Is still kinda insane for me, but just think. If it was 3 shots. Lights would die much much quicker

Let alone having to “reload” as for the dagger you don’t. It’s just a spam tap

Everyone wants a meta weapon. And if we really did cater to streamers. Meta weapons would be a thing. They are not tho. People play with weapons they can actually use.

[tepid marten]

Does anyone know the fall off distances/mult for the bfr and p90?

[edgy estuary]

How is Winch stun fine when it is just the stun gun with the addition of bringing players to you.

[balmy ingot]

25 meters for the p90

Does less damage

[edgy estuary]

DB is the easiest weapon to pop off with on light, and now thermal is gone you can just sit in a corner invisible and one shot light to your hearts content, it is such a badly designed weapon because there’s no way to balance it without making it useless, but anyone arguing that walking or dashing up to someone and pulling the trigger once is skill is on some real cope.

[tepid furnace]

completely ignoring all the bs dagger has to go through to get a trickstab against anyone remotely competent wearing a headset. Reload doesn't matter comparatively when you're doing all the things dagger does between 5-10 meters away. You miss your db shots and you're much more capable of repositioning than a dagger missing their stab. You can dive safer and run away easier, on top of being able to do poke damage

[edgy estuary]

Dagger for sure has the higher skill ceiling, any new player can pick up and play DB and do alright, nobody is doing that with dagger.

[lavish swallow]

Yeah, its almost like they lobotomized every bit of skill out of the weapon. It was skill based. Then they took literally everything from it over the course of multiple seasons, and didn't give it a damn thing.

[unreal karma]

How'd everyone feel using the P90? haven't tried it yet

[balmy ingot]

As a medium player. That makes me happy. Cause now I know I can defend myself better knowing I’m not gonna die instantly to a sword or dagger right off the rip.

[lavish swallow]

Yeah instead you will get jumped on, have every reason to lose the fight, and just two shot the light on body. You already had a hard counter to sword.

[edgy estuary]

Feels strong, you have so much ammo, someone said it can take out 2 heavies in 1 mag? But yet to test that

[balmy ingot]

In some way or another the DB will be next on the nerf list

[unreal karma]

WOAH I might have to say good bye to my AK

and i bought so many skins for the AK too 😭

[edgy estuary]

Nah probably still want AK for the long range maps

AK is eternal

[unreal karma]

yeah but i mostly adjust myself to take closer fights but idk yet we'll see if i like it more than the ARs of medium

[balmy ingot]

The p90 is nice. Only thing it has on the AK is the bigger mag.

AK is the all elite.

Besides riot shield hit box 💀

🤦‍♂️

I ran several matches with the p90. It hits. In close quarters just not a distance gun at all

[edgy estuary]

You’ll probably really like it then, I think they’ll nerf the mag size though honestly, but it has only been a day.

[unreal karma]

not the nightmare shield bruh ✋ 🤚

[balmy ingot]

It’s gotta be nerfed. On god. And I main a medium

Like. At least let me shoot the feet or something

[unreal karma]

i dont think its going to be nerfed tho, if they relate it irl, the p90 does have a lot of ammo

[stoic garden]

literally lol

[edgy estuary]

Yeah I guess, just depends on how balanced the Embark gods see it over the next 3 weeks.

[stoic garden]

it's awesome at close range but you can only deal chip dmg after 20 meters

[edgy estuary]

nobody kill oscar with the P90

[stoic garden]

p90 dropoff starts at 15m, akm's starts at 30 lol

[hardy dust]

Ngl p90 is pretty shit

[balmy ingot]

It felt more like 25 meters to me

It’s not tho

[hardy dust]

I think the rpm is 850 and 14 dmg per shot, which is basically in line with ar ttks

[balmy ingot]

Find yourself in close quarters p90 slaps bro.

[hardy dust]

Idk, it feels like it kills abt the same as ars up close but simply worse at range

Basically trading range for ease of use and ammo

[balmy ingot]

AK does better damage up close. Just doesn’t shoot fast

[hardy dust]

Yeah, I'd rather run something that does the same up close but actually decent at range

[balmy ingot]

If we’re taking ttks the famas hurts.
Scar is equivalent to the p90 in close quarters just can’t shoot further

[hardy dust]

P90 should be slightly better up close to actually make it worth running over ars

[balmy ingot]

It is tho. Hence the fire rate

[hardy dust]

Not really. It kills about the same anyways. Plus the hipfire is wider

Its just easier up close, not better

[balmy ingot]

It’s a legally sub machine gun.

If we’re going off IRL

[hardy dust]

Id like to see some actual stats on it to see how different it is from ars but from what ive seen it just feels like a slight downgrade

[balmy ingot]

I’m talking it up because it’s worth it in close quarter battles

[grand turtle]

I have no idea how some people find P90 op
Used it and I hated it for how peashooty it is
I thought this unbelievably short range comes with a solid slap in terms of damage and yet I was surprised to find otherwise.

The hipfire also leaves a lot to be desired.
0 idea what P90 brings to the table. ARs just feels better in almost every way

[hardy dust]

Slightly more damage per mag 😭

It feels a bit underpowered

[edgy estuary]

I think they only added the P90 because people were demanding a submachine gun on medium tbh

[hardy dust]

Yeah, same with the heavy revolver since it fills a "sniper" role

[grand turtle]

It needs like 16 damage per shot if not more to actually compete with ARs and other weapons at close range
If P90 is not better (killing faster) than ARs, then its just gonna not exist in any serious game

[hardy dust]

16 is overkill but I think 15 would be fine

And slightly better hipfire

[edgy estuary]

Yep, and they release them powerful so we feel awesome for a few weeks (if they fit your niche) and then they will be nerfed a little. Surprised more people aren’t talking about the revolver, but it does take decent aim to be good with, just outclasses a lot of medium options and the KS23 has no purpose now.

Unless you are redecorating

[grand turtle]

Better damage, better hipfire 🔥
I can already feel it becoming one of my favourite weapons with healbeam

[hardy dust]

P90 really doesn't feel powerful and bfr seems aight but havent tried it enough

[grand turtle]

The revolver feels like a repeater for heavy.
Pretty solid, especially if you land your shots well.

[edgy estuary]

Yeah not too fussed about the new weapons, more bothered about the weird delay when using gadgets and grenades

[fathom cove]

yeah the delay has gt me really mad

[muted halo]

l feel like p90 issue is the fall off range... model has a better fall off range let that sink in

[cloud oar]

BFR is so much fun

[muted halo]

p90 current ttk is quite close to the ak with slighly better total damage per mag, hipfire and recoil

[olive creek]

KS is good for taking down suspended structures.

[muted halo]

this would be pretty busted (the 16 damage)

[grand turtle]

I doubt, but I would be happy with 15 damage as well.
Right now its a joke and I am really baffled how some people find it broken.

I see short range as quite a disadvantage, but I expect the weapon to be strong in its optimal range.
For example, why dont we see model and cerberus around anymore?
Short range, laughable damage at said range, slow reloads. Why would you even bother?