💣┇weapons-gadgets

[harsh drift]

wow those are really coolm

[proven compass]

Considering 93R was hard meta this season even post nerf I’d hope we get content for it

[tawny scaffold]

I find it rather difficult to hit stuff while aiming. way easier to crouch and shoot

[proven compass]

Using red dot or irons?

[tawny scaffold]

red dot

[proven compass]

I found it hard to use until i threw a sight on

Interesting

[tawny scaffold]

just find it easier to hit things while crouched for some reason

[coral root]

I want to use irons cause it feels cooler but red dot more effective on it 🙁

[tawny scaffold]

iron sights are pretty bad for anything over 20 meters

[proven compass]

Only irons i find myself using is the AK and that sucks

[tawny scaffold]

like good luck seeing anything

[loud scarab]

Any revolver users here that use irons or red dot

[coral root]

But then with the scar i can hit at any distance with irons

[tawny scaffold]

Only iron sights are use is on lewis gun, cause they're thin

[proven compass]

Irons are always cooler looking

[coral root]

I only use irons on revolver cause the red dot just ruins it from an aesthetic perspective

[tawny scaffold]

if I put red dot on the lewis gun I'd feel like a bastard sporterizing an antique weapon

[loud scarab]

100%

[proven compass]

I run red dot solely cuz i use the r357 with a skin that works well with it
Before i got that skin i used irons

[coral root]

Plus the revolvers irons are pretty good (except for the colt python skin in the Dede bundle)

[coral root]

Yeah i dont judge, most of the time red dot is just better

[tawny scaffold]

straight up feels bad to use anything other than iron sights on the lewis gun. if anything they give you an advantage cause they're slim and they go up into your view unlike on the 93r where it feels like they merged with the weapon and I can't aim for shit

[proven compass]

At least on the alien that gun feels like it’s designed for an optic

[tawny scaffold]

the pike skin?

[proven compass]

The V9S

[tawny scaffold]

oh yeah the v9s also feels awful to play without a red dot

the ironsights on it are just too small

[proven compass]

Especially since most good skins bulk up the suppressor

[coral root]

After 2 shots your target is completely blocked by the pistol lol

[tawny scaffold]

I use the eclipse shade

the supressor is low

[coral root]

This is a hot take but i like using irons over red dot on the M11

[proven compass]

I use the circuit board skin
I did buy the eclipse shade inspect i just don’t like the skeletonization

[tawny scaffold]

look how good the iron sights are on this weapon

[coral root]

I think theres something to be said for peering just over the top edge of your weapon, especially when there is a lot of horizontal recoil like with the lewis and M11

[proven compass]

It’s a damn beauty
shame i don’t enjoy using it

[tawny scaffold]

it does look like that irl too

[zinc obsidian]

I now know why people use the scar more since the recoil patter changed its way more manageable and better the n the AKM.
I find myself hitting my shots more with the scar then the AKM
I think it needs a recoil fix just very slightly like the scar to feel less unwieldy

[tawny scaffold]

I think the view is skewed here as the front end of the gun is too high up

feels like its above the center of the circle

[coral root]

Now we'll neverr be able to unsee it

[tawny scaffold]

I feel like what they could've done is just lower the front end of the weapon

[proven compass]

The halfway point is right at the base of the middle post
Like an upside down T

[tawny scaffold]

you know it feels like the buttock has fallen down a little bit hence the impression that the top is lifted

[sudden pewter]

I use the Dede Revolver and I’ve had to put a sight on it because the moment I fire I lose the irons

[tawny scaffold]

I mean this

see how the top of the ironsight is not in the center of the circle, but the base of the upside down T is, like how you said

[coral root]

Yeah it made me sad cause i was excited for how good the skin looks, but there are other options for my red dot hating ass

[tawny scaffold]

personally I use the holtow revolver

feels so satisfying to use and crouch hipfires are very accurate

[proven compass]

Yeah
The base is at the center that’s what i said
I don’t have image perms yet so i think i just explained poorly

[tawny scaffold]

dw

[coral root]

Imagine if when the healbeam was on cooldown, you could absorb enemy health to charge it up

[obsidian nexus]

rework light class

[sudden pewter]

*delete light class

[warm gyro]

I’ve been using the fcar since almost season 1 now and after a while you get used to the pattern and it’s super easy to play, the buff in s6 (I think) just made it even better

[proven compass]

So moira overwatch?

[zinc obsidian]

no I am saying the scar is good even on the move better the akm. Like i said a tweak to the akm be nice

[coral root]

Fudge ive never tried overwatch, would it just be a blatant rip off?

[proven compass]

Moira is a support who basically has two flamethrower type weapons (in terms of how they work, not actually flamethrowers) and you refill the healing one by doing damage with the other one
Wouldn’t be blatant and i think it’d be fine but it’d draw comparisons

[coral root]

Ah. I drew the idea from "absorb health" spells in the elder scrolls

I guess nothing is truly original

[proven compass]

Truly

Hell the finals is prob the most unique shooter on the market rn and it’s main mode is at it’s most simple just a search and destroy variant (though executed extremely well love cashout so much)

[coral root]

I beleive cashout also draws from the Rush mode in battlefield

[arctic swan]

My theory is that the new weapon is a hand cannon type gun for light and the p90 for the medium

[coral root]

Let me be 🤓 for a second. Statistically speaking, light is highly unlikely to get a new weapon. Like ever again. Also, the depicted revolver(if it is the one we think it is) would look comically ridiculous in the hands of a light

[proven compass]

Which is, itself, a search and destroy variant

[arctic swan]

true but would be awesome to use

[coral root]

Dam ur right

[arctic swan]

also the third weapon shown is like a bigger mingun

[coral root]

This is true and i would love to use it as light lol it would be insane

[proven compass]

That one calvin and hobbes menus or parkour but it’s search and destroy or koth

[arctic swan]

maybe a new type of gatling gun

[proven compass]

What third weapon
There were four images
1 and 2 were the revolver
3 and 4 were the P90

[warm gyro]

I wonder if the p90 will kinda be like an arn but for medium

[coral root]

In the character card

[proven compass]

Ohh
Yeah that’s just a skin

[coral root]

Yeah

[dry widget]

What's meta right now?

[proven compass]

Pike 93R 1216

[coral root]

Itll be closer to the M11 with 50 rounds at ~1000 rpm

[coral root]

Dont forget the riot sheild 🙃

[proven compass]

TRUEEEE

[warm gyro]

I wonder if it’ll be good to take with heal beam because you can mag dump and then heal then reload and do it all again

[proven compass]

FAMAS and ARN are also viable

[warm gyro]

And fcar, spring hour and some other top500 were crazy with it

[coral root]

Thats why i love the cerberus. Especially if your heavy has close range weapon i bet itll really be great

[warm gyro]

I normally take fcar and heal and I juggle back and forth but sometimes it gets hard to do, I’ll try out the p90 and hopefully it makes it easier to be support

[coral root]

Yeah the fcar does have short tactical reloads which makes the juggling relatively nice, and with that heavy 50rd brick of a p90 magazine i expect longer reload

[warm gyro]

Yeah that is true

[coral root]

Itll probably make up for that in volume of fire and damage tho

I could be wrong about long reloads too, if theyre modelling it after the M11 stats maybe well see a pretty short snappy reload like that

[warm gyro]

These are the numbers I’m putting up on a good game, is this good or if I’m heal should I stick to less damage and more support

[coral root]

If your team won, you healed the right amount. Sometimes more shooting than healing is the way to go, and that mustve been the case that tournament

How much you should heal is effected by variables like teammates classes, and enemy strategies

Dam why do i sound like AI

[proven compass]

Needs more em dash

(It’s prob the back to back comma usage and the rule of three conclusion)

[oblique monolith]

Whats yalls clash royale decks looking like?

[native gull]

I hope that it’s for the Medium because that class never had an SMG before and it honestly wouldn’t make sense to give light another one tbh since they have two already

[warm gyro]

I think it’s been pretty much confirmed for medium, light already has 3 and it would change up the play style for medium probably

[proven compass]

Glad someone finally made a graphic for the trigger

[muted condor]

Watch it be a revolver on medium and p90 on light

That would send me

[proven compass]

I’d cry myself to sleep that night

I do wonder about the optic situation for these guns
I’d be happy with them having unique optics (a leupold or similar scope on the BFR with an irons option, like the pike, and the integrated reflex on the P90) but giving the P90 the standard optic options makes sense

[bleak arch]

i like to use the h infuser with portal and bade

[warm gyro]

The p90 looks like it has a special built-in optic, I think that would be cool and then have the normal optic choices also

[bleak arch]

yes

must spam more

[proven compass]

I saw that yeah
I just hope you can equip optics and it gets modified to be the TR variant

[cunning slate]

Flash needs a buff. Way too slow.

Or maybe a rework.

Its an outright joke.

[zinc obsidian]

can we get these sights for the shak as I did some sight aiming practice in the practice range and well it makes sense as the other sights really do not match with where you shoot

[lusty rampart]

silly question how do i quickly switch loadout from my primary to reserves? atm im just manually switching out guns lol

[potent scaffold]

How tf u be extracting 130k but no emerald?

[sudden pewter]

Manually. There’s no quick switch function afaik

[lusty rampart]

oh then whats the reserve slots for?

[proven compass]

In world tour and comp you can’t switch to anything not in reserves once the match starts
You’re stuck with the class and spec you chose, and if you wanna swap to something that isn’t in your reserves you’re outta luck
I usually keep counterpick guns and strong but niche gadgets in there

[digital scroll]

but there must be a third weapon

[proven compass]

Like my heavy build is winch deagles bubble explosive mine and c4

I keep shak, KS23, lockbolt and either goonade or flamethrower depending on if my teammate has a goonade

[proven compass]

Well there wasn’t a third sponsor last time so why have a third weapon this time

[sudden pewter]

Generally you’d make a new contestant for new loadouts, reserve is for having quick access to gear in WT/Ranked since you can’t switch contestants

[coral root]

No

[lusty rampart]

ahh okay ty

[lavish current]

I would love to unscope the sniper for light

[proven compass]

I will say i wish there was a “casual” world tour playlist cuz i prefer the 4 team mode over quick cash but if i’m just trying to mess around i wanna be able to swap at will

[eager wasp]

i would like for the sniper to have a bit of downsides to being upclose

[ember condor]

do u guys think m11 or 93r is better?

[eager wasp]

93r is the meta rn

[ember condor]

alr thanks

[lavish current]

Yes! I don’t get why people run in cqc with the sniper

@sudden pewter doesn’t mean you have to equip the iron sights for it

[sudden pewter]

Yet you want to remove its scope.

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-you-are-cat-sus-suspicious-cat-side-eye-cat-meme-gif-11842087146493734807

[lavish current]

For sights

[proven compass]

If they made any optic but the scope available on the sniper it’d be too strong

[sudden pewter]

It’s stuck with a sniper scope for a reason. Please take a moment to contemplate what reason that could possibly be.

[versed finch]

sniper needs a firerate buff, make it shoot as fast as the minigun and it's balanced

[proven compass]

With melee combos it can drop a medium with one shot
imagine if that was made easier

[versed finch]

also sh1900 needs infinte range

[proven compass]

Why don’t they just give the fcar a drum magazine it’d look so cool

100 rounds would make it so fun!

[versed finch]

I wonder why Embark would decrease some stats on certain guns

[versed finch]

They might actually have a gun with a drum mag in the future

[lavish current]

You know what? No iron sights either. I want it raw

[proven compass]

what you wanna aim down the rails?

[lavish current]

Yes

[versed finch]

Give SR-84 heat seeking bullets pls, it'll balance the gun out

[proven compass]

It’d still be too strong

[sudden pewter]

SH needs a third shot and fire damage

[proven compass]

wait a minute…

[versed finch]

i think ive seen that before...

[lavish current]

Heat seeking? Like the smart pistol? From Titanfall 2

[sudden pewter]

SMART Pistol

[versed finch]

This game's too violent. All weapons are now nerf, and instead of taking damage, you get tired until you take a nap, but teammates can wake you up normally, or with a bucket of coold water

[arctic remnant]

a bucket of coold water is too violent

[proven compass]

Gotta be lukewarm piss

[versed finch]

a juice box?

[arctic remnant]

mayybe

[versed finch]

also quick melee is replaced with comfy pillow

grenades are water balloons

[proven compass]

Too violent, might lead to smotherings

[lavish current]

It’s the snowball event but one tick damage

[arctic remnant]

Gas is sleepy mist, fire is clingy bubbles

[versed finch]

also if you hit someone in the face you get put into timeout

[proven compass]

If you bubble the mist you create mustard gas

[versed finch]

ketchup gas*

[proven compass]

too much sugar

[versed finch]

kale gas*

[proven compass]

too many fart jokes

[arctic remnant]

mayo gas

[versed finch]

vegtable gas*

[proven compass]

not vegan enough

[lavish current]

If you die your character falls into a bed

[proven compass]

too vegan

[arctic remnant]

if you fall off map then you wake up and it turns out it was all a dream, you respawn by going back to sleep

[versed finch]

Actually, someone could get hurt with nerf weapons, so air weapons

[proven compass]

air guns are worse

[versed finch]

cardboard, and if someone shoots you you're out

[vital vector]

they betta add a boomerang

[proven compass]

cardboard causes paper cuts

[versed finch]

no weapons, air tag only

[proven compass]

if people run they might trip and fall though

[versed finch]

also put soft cushions on the cash boxes so nobody hurts themself

[arctic remnant]

what if you make another person trip? they should just go on there computers and play the finals safely from their homes

[versed finch]

actually this is all too dangerous, just put the contestants in a room and they can play the finals

[arctic remnant]

fr

[versed finch]

its much safer than competing

[vital vector]

Life has lost its meaning since rotation clamping got put on sword

[versed finch]

ya... you have to aim now...

[proven compass]

anyways can we add this baby as a skin for the V9S it has a 20 round mag already it’d be perfect

[vital vector]

no they made it you have to rely on the exciting combo of m1 m1 m1 m1 m1 m1 m1

[proven compass]

just use dash dagger

[vital vector]

dagger is interesting but I miss prime sword

[versed finch]

i literally don't even notice a difference, I still run sword and get 15+ kills consistantly

[lavish current]

Imagine there’s a new setting in gameplay and it’s pyro mode. You see everything as pyro from TF2.

[versed finch]

NO

[lavish current]

No?

[vital vector]

well yah swords still viable but not being able to superdash and 360 like a cwazy person was so fun

[versed finch]

Please don't remind me of that oh my gosh

[proven compass]

Honestly would make a banger mythic skin for the flamethrower

[versed finch]

FUn for the user... noth the victim

[arctic remnant]

the trumpet thang

[proven compass]

Rainblower

[vital vector]

THE VITIM JUST NEEDS AIMING SKILLS

[versed finch]

I would buy it honestly

[vital vector]

*victim

[lavish current]

NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE

[versed finch]

Is the sh1900 nerf talk valid?

[vital vector]

also FLAMETHROWER IS WORSE THAN THE SWORD WAS

[versed finch]

People be forgetting that it has 5m of range before it does 0 damage

[proven compass]

I’d personally argue it’s healthy right now

[versed finch]

reload balances it, but i think an approach where less damage, faster fire and reload would be more fun

[vital vector]

its fine because of the counters

[versed finch]

tf2 style

[vital vector]

but so WAS SWORD

[versed finch]

Remember, embark nerfed data for no reason at all

[proven compass]

Unfortunately melee generally isn’t fun to play against

[lavish current]

Also I definitely brought the maid outfit for my character

[versed finch]

they're just gonna do what the data says they should

[arctic remnant]

They should add something like the daggers or bow to medium, something like a sling. wouldn't oversaturate the amount of weapons unlike another assault rifle or smth.

[vital vector]

also can we plz talk about the level up skins. The recent ones

[versed finch]

Opinion on medium SMG and Heavy DMR? (Not sure about heavy, pretty sure it's a long range option)

[vital vector]

THEY SUCK all I care about is level 6

[proven compass]

We’re getting P90 on medium next season
It’s gonna be iffy balance wise but i’m a fan

[lavish current]

Heavy’s getting a DMR?

[versed finch]

if the medium smg is good im maining that thing. AKM has like no reason to be ran

[vital vector]

no

they arn't its a suggestion

[versed finch]

GIVE ME THOSE 5 EXTRA SHOTS IMMEDIATLY

[proven compass]

Heavy is getting the BFR .500 revolver
Or maybe the .410 bore version

[eager wasp]

LAMEE dude i want something fun not just another gun thats like the rest

[vital vector]

PLZ LIGHTSABER SKIN FOR SWORD AND DUAL BLADES PLZ PLZ LIGHTSABER SKIN FOR SWORD AND DUAL BLADES PLZ PLZ LIGHTSABER SKIN FOR SWORD AND DUAL BLADES PLZ PLZ LIGHTSABER SKIN FOR SWORD AND DUAL BLADES PLZ PLZ LIGHTSABER SKIN FOR SWORD AND DUAL BLADES PLZ PLZ LIGHTSABER SKIN FOR SWORD AND DUAL BLADES PLZ PLZ LIGHTSABER SKIN FOR SWORD AND DUAL BLADES PLZ

[arctic remnant]

how would it be different from mediums revolver

[vital vector]

PRETTY PLZ!!!!!

[versed finch]

8 shots?

[proven compass]

Single action powerhouse with 5 shots
If it’s .410 it’s a shotgun

[digital scroll]

I don't think it works that way

[vital vector]

why heavy getting wingman?

[versed finch]

I just want more options, I literally have no preference

[lavish current]

I see the P90. But I also see a G36

[muted condor]

The only way I’d be happy with a new revolver is if it has snake shot or a secondary fire that just fanned the hammer

[vital vector]

yah I know i'l just keep hoping

[proven compass]

Likely gonna be either a mid range shotgun or basically a KS23 designed for combat

Extremely long reload

[eager wasp]

sounds boring

[versed finch]

I wonder if they're adding this season 8, or if its actually for seaosn 9

[proven compass]

It’s a season 8 teaser

[lavish current]

I really hope it’s a G36

[muted condor]

Looks like we might be getting Alfa acta back possibly

[versed finch]

PLEASE, I love the skins, I bought the Minigun skin and regret nothing, its fire

[wispy bloom]

they gotta delete kyoto off this game..

[proven compass]

Nope

The four pictures we got all line up with either the BFR or the P90

[muted condor]

Hell yeah, Alfa acta mini gun bros

[versed finch]

Idk about delete... maybe just temp remove it and redo it

[lavish current]

Damn

[versed finch]

stun gun treatment, but for a map

[eager wasp]

nah, recon senses treatment, get it outta here

[arctic remnant]

I don't like the idea of just saying the KS23 is only support because of its high environment dmg, its still a weapon and your main source of dmg. I don't think thats what you mean but...

[muted condor]

There are rumors of them reworking the map but nothing confirmed

[lavish current]

Why?

[proven compass]

Oh the KS23 is one of my main weapons on heavy i’m fully aware of it’s power

It just doesn’t have a headshot multi so it’s stuck doing 70 per shot

It’s very explicitly designed as a utility first

[eager wasp]

other than it looking good its a horrible map overall, cashouts are bad, buildings are bad, performance is bad, bamboo forest is horrid, so many problems with it

[versed finch]

BAMBOO FOREST IS THE WORST PART, NO DEBATE

[lavish current]

Just get better

[arctic remnant]

Mann I'm sick of ejecting the same shell twice because I quick melee inbetween shots

[eager wasp]

that and the house at the top of the hill

[arctic remnant]

Might be same with winch?

[vital vector]

fire needs to be reworked to not kill after user dies

[proven compass]

Then don’t
Against lights only melee after the second shot
Against mediums the third
Against heavys you shouldn’t be meleeing at all, 5 shots of 70 does 350

[versed finch]

I have never not seen a match in PS where a light just sits up there and snipes. and there's no way to the top

[proven compass]

A quick melee should be your killing blow, not thrown out whenever possible

[versed finch]

Doesn't the KS do 100 damage?

[muted condor]

People like to act like the KS23 being a rpg in your pocket with unlimited ammo shouldn’t be taken into account when balancing

[proven compass]

Coulda sworn it was 70

[eager wasp]

theres never not a ps time where there are no snipers at every angle imaginable, ps is infested with them and would honestly do better for the mode if it was just removed from being an option, snipers ruin the fun of it esp for soloq

[proven compass]

Yeah it does 100 not sure where i got that number from
Anyways same thing don’t melee unless they have less than 40 HP

[versed finch]

It sometimes does 70, sometimes 100, depends on how it hits i believe, if only part of the slug, it does less, but if the whole slug, it does

[vital vector]

sniper needs to be reworked so that it only has one bullet in the chamber and one shot headshots everybody AND HAS IRON SIGHTS

[versed finch]

Because i have seen times where i 3 shoted a light

[proven compass]

Wait no it does 70 at max falloff that’s why

[eager wasp]

it has a really huge damage drop off

[versed finch]

ahh thats it

[proven compass]

Past 23 meters you’re doing 70 a shot
Around 21m? You’re doing less than 75 meaning you dropped to a 3sk

[vital vector]

sniper shouldnt have drop off!

[proven compass]

I was just remembering the min damage instead of max

[versed finch]

Yes it should thank you very much

[lavish current]

Aight, NG

[wispy bloom]

map is genuinely awful oml

[proven compass]

It still drops a light at all ranges why does it matter

It just means you can’t two tap heavies across the map

[versed finch]

If someone says kyoto is good they don't deserve to play this game

[vital vector]

why would they have it in there in the first place

[eager wasp]

@dusk kelp you hear that

[arctic remnant]

It is still a problem with winch, and anything can happen, you can miss your quick melee and be out of range for another. It irks me because that is also not how a gun works.

[proven compass]

Wait
I lied
You can!
354 damage

[vital vector]

it does not really make a difference when light and it just makes it feel awful for both the user and the victim

[proven compass]

To promote not crossmapping so people can actually shoot back

[muted condor]

They want to be 200m away and not helping their team but still have highest damage so they can blame that heavy for losing after he spent the entire match in 1v3s trying to defend the cash out

[vital vector]

thats why bullet drop off exist

[lavish current]

Womp womp, cry about it. I’m playing this til my grave.

[proven compass]

Wait.
Are you referring to bullet drop?
Like the projectile system?

[vital vector]

No im talking bout damage drop off

[proven compass]

They serve the same purpose

[vital vector]

but they don't need both

[muted condor]

Damage fall of is extremely necessary simple for forcing the light to actually be helpful

[proven compass]

It doesn’t matter if you play at medium range and help your team

[vital vector]

meh I'm in no position to argue this I'm a 500+ hour recurve bow main so My opinions prob dont help (;

[proven compass]

Literally anywhere inside of 40 meters you have a full damage hitscan rifle

[muted condor]

If you’re playing far enough away for sniper damage drop off the be a problem you’re throwing the round anyways

[proven compass]

anywhere between 40 and 80 you still have full damage
if you’re playing further than 80 just play power shift

[vital vector]

recurve bow is the weapon they found a sweet spot in its not that frustrating to play against and takes a bit of skill to hit shots and is fun

[muted condor]

Sniper is the same, just happens 99% of lights don’t know how to play it

Just like the revolver

[vital vector]

sniper feels worse to use

MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE GOSH DANG SOUND IT MAKES

[muted condor]

Feels amazing if you land shots

[proven compass]

Get the camera legendary i’m sure it changes the fire sound

[muted condor]

Sniper/dash is the only way I play light

[vital vector]

while it does sometimes it feels like you deserve to hit some shots that you miss

[proven compass]

I like the pistols and the sawed off with grapple

[muted condor]

Welcome to the finals

Hit detection is a bitch

[vital vector]

the bow does not have that problem

[proven compass]

The bow is a massive projectile

[vital vector]

thats why it feels good

bow is just scopeless sniper we never got

[muted condor]

Sniper, spear, and revolver all suffer from the same thing

[vital vector]

OH GOSH THE SPEAR

[proven compass]

People can’t comprehend using them in a way that differs from how they’re often portrayed?

[muted condor]

I used to main the spear until half way this season

I couldn’t justify losing matches simply because hit detection makes my favorite weapon unplayable

[vital vector]

games don

games don't use bows that well(except apex bowcek all the way baby) the finals made the bow so well

[proven compass]

I don’t know man the huntsman is pretty cool

[vital vector]

ig but valhiems not a fps game

[proven compass]

I’m talking TF2

[eager wasp]

as a dagger main, i take it like a champ, i may lose horribly due to hit reg being out of my control 80% of the time but i will stick it out till the very end

[vital vector]

mabbbyeee but still recruve bow better AND RELM ROYAL GOT IT SO BAD

[proven compass]

I wanted to main sledge on heavy but then i got fucked over on three overheads in a row and got caeser’d by a mediocre sword light because of it
never again.

[vital vector]

bow is love bow is life, then again I may be biased cause I do archery irl

[boreal laurel]

I want to like bow but it’s soooo hard…

[proven compass]

I will never like bow cuz i will always like playing the other classes more than light

So i stick with the most basic guns they have when i do play them

(famas but pistol, pike but pistol, cerberus but better)

[vital vector]

is no hard just pour 8 hours a day into aimtraining and the rest into playing the finals

[proven compass]

the humble rent:

[arctic remnant]

Today? What gamemode

[proven compass]

Like a week ago head2head

[whole herald]

The couch backup is brutal for melee players

[arctic remnant]

On right is sledge still gutted

[proven compass]

It’s nowhere near it’s peak but it isn’t bad if you ignore the hitreg shit

[muted condor]

Still the best melee in the game atm

[proven compass]

True
Unfortunately not the highest bar

[solemn light]

Thoughts on integrating defib into healbeam?
#👂┇game-feedback message

[rain solar]

I wonder how they are gonna make BFR feel unique if it goes to Heavy, maybe they will make it something like "Last word" from Destiny, pure hip fire hand cannon

[thorny star]

Which new guns u guys gonna try first when s8 is out

I'd def gonna try out the revolver

[proven compass]

I don’t care for it solely cuz i like the state the defib is in currently
I do think the heal beam needs some sort of buff to make it viable next to the almighty demat but i don’t think this is it

[proven compass]

I main medium and love the P90 so the P90 first
Then if any major changes got made to guns i use, test those
then BFR

[thorny star]

No new gun for light this season which means I'll see less Lights in lobbies

[proven compass]

And if the BFR is what we expect it to be the lights that are in lobbies will get dropped by 150+ headshots from the big iron

[coral root]

Just merge infuser into healbeam as a secondary setting

[proven compass]

but the infuser already has a twitch drop skin and a battle pass skin what ever shall we do

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk1-gif-18719605

[coral root]

Free outfit for ppl who had any infuser skin; also could just have it be a separate gadget on med

I suppose triple light teams are def gonna need it more than ever though

[solemn light]

that's actually a really interesting idea

[solemn light]

that's fair tbh, I just keep getting idiots who never realise they can revive someone normally and always defib me (I play sword light, tf am I supposed to do?)

also I'd like some actual gadget variety that isnt X + Jump Pad + Defib

I just don't like how punishing it can be to not run defib at all times

[coral root]

If you ever play with a double movement medium, that can free you up to replace the jump pad

[solemn light]

thats true, but tbh I'd rather some way of ditching defib. if you dont think, you just punish ur teammates

[coral root]

With another close range weapon for medium, we may see it become more acceptable/viable to play med like a light

[solemn light]

that's true, but we run into the other issue of probably needing demat again.

I'd like to run something else (turret)

but the options are, to put it mildly, not great

[coral root]

I just pretend like demat doesnt exist unless im in quickplay modes

Im fine with everyone else using it and everything but i dont place expectations on myself to be the demat, even when no one else on my team has it

[solemn light]

i mean, thats true but i'd like everything to be viable ngl

[coral root]

Infusers probably staying on light so all one can do is check team loadouts in the pre-match, and if they have heals: maybe i dont have to run heals. If demat, maybe i can try turret and defensive gadgets

If i get a heavy in solo q though im ride or die healing, whether im M or L, whether the heavy is skilled or still learning

[coral root]

Yeah hopefully a little heal beam buff is on the horizon

[solemn light]

ngl, i'd argue that turret also needs some love

[coral root]

I could see them buffing it

[solemn light]

forget a buff, that thing needs a rework. buffing it will get complaints, and theyll nerf it again

[solemn light]

if they buff damage, complaints about low skill
if they buff hp, complaints about hard to destroy
if they buff cooldown, people will complain about spam

[coral root]

They could make it so you or one of your teammates has to man it

[solemn light]

that could be somethinhg ngl

tho, i think it'll fit heavy more that way

[coral root]

You could give it legs and let it move about the room like a roomba

[solemn light]

honestly, that would work. problem becomes what happens when the building's all rubble

I like the idea of a patrolling turret ngl

[coral root]

Aerial drone turret?

Shits gonna become 🇺🇦 war real quick

[solemn light]

actually not a bad idea. problem comes with how much hp it has before it's either useless or too tanky

[red pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/ak-akm-you-have-alerted-you-have-alerted-the-akm-gif-2864589286503666842

[solemn light]

also the buildings in this game can get real cramped

[solemn light]

MCJOHNSON NO

[red pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-hype-excited-pumped-dr-robotnik-gif-15534201

[coral root]

Maybe slightly less health than current turret has

[hardy dust]

Turret needs a full rework

[solemn light]

how would we place it tho. if it just wanders off it becomes useless again

if its a base station type deal, how would glitch affect it?

also the buildings are real cramped sometimes

[coral root]

You place it down then press other mouse button to fly it with your med tablet, if you dont fly it it just stays where you placed it

[solemn light]

then we just have a turret we can carry :/

[coral root]

You wont be able to see while flying it-- shit. Maybe this is all too battlefield for current embark

[solemn light]

yeah. i dont think that

[solemn light]

it'll work out

[coral root]

Possibly too much for your cpu in 12 playerr lobby as well

[solemn light]

maybe, yeah

ngl, i just dont think turrets can work well in this game as a whole

[coral root]

I agree. Ive wanted them out since open beta

[solemn light]

they're mean to hold down areas and deny space, but the areas are everchanging and the space turns to rubble

like, no matter the positioning, it only takes one goo nade/gunshot to diable it for the significat future

[coral root]

Yeah ive always found it to be a strange addition to this game

Medium could use a more solid 3rd gadget too

[solemn light]

its launch/early state was the best tbh. the lower cooldowns and recalls made it dynamic enough to stand on its own 2 feet

then they nerfed it. and nerfed it again. and i wont lie, they kinda crippled it

the damage is subpar unless the enemy is caught unaware, which kinda doesn't work when it makes a loud ass beeping noise with a laser

it really just feels like a middle finger to anything that isnt a gun, but a minor inconvenience for guns as a whole

and the arm time, dear god the arm time

6 buisness days, excluding weekends + shipping

[coral root]

Yeah its a sad joke of a gadget at this juncture

*spec

[solemn light]

the best one can do is position it right, but then it just gets dropped (demat), disabled(goo/glitch), blown up (30% of the game) or shot (guns)

[solemn light]

its tragic tbh

what makes it worse is that the other specs are infinitely superior unless you run 3 turrets, but then if your oponent has a brain, they can just drop the cashout and make the whole defense useless

[coral root]

I always figured medium would get a destruction gadget but not in the vein of a drill. Imagine if they moved the cl-40 to a spec and made it more of a destruction tool and less damage to players

[solemn light]

ngl, i'd like that but it probably wont happen

like the only thing its good at is deterring melee users, but half the time they just go around

[coral root]

I suppose there are many other destruction tools that they could give med but demat makes you right

[solemn light]

i hope they give it, at minimum, some sorta buff. but they probably wont :/

[restive plover]

oh yea arent they nerfing demat

[lost plume]

Can turret see through smoke?

[solemn light]

I believe not

I may have remembered it wrong tho

I'll go test it

[lost plume]

I like the turret as a sort of distraction that can't be ignored, or extra firepower to win a 1v1, but that's about all it's good for it seems

[viscid carbon]

what do y’all think of the pike?

imo it’s the most busted weapon on medium

[solemn light]

it cant see through smoke :/

[cursive owl]

I don't think turret being good is very fun either

[lost plume]

Wish I was better with it 😅

[solemn light]

nerf to 8 bullets. everything can be the same

[cursive owl]

I think turrets in fps games are generally kinda boring by nature, and if they're good it makes things kinda stale

[solemn light]

the game needs to be designed around the turret, not the other way round

its why I like tf2, the turret feels normal, natural even

[cursive owl]

I think it kinda needs to be bad or just not exist

[solemn light]

but thats because there are at least 5 things that can break it

[lost plume]

I hear you. I wish it was more interesting in the sense of doing something other than damage while still providing area denial. Could be a slow or a burn or something

[solemn light]

yeah. its not cut out for this game :/

[cursive owl]

Bring back recon sense surely that will cause no issues

[viscid carbon]

turret is only annoying if there’s more than 1

[solemn light]

if only one, it becomes borderline useless

and thats the problem

[viscid carbon]

also do you guys think it invalidates the famas?

[lost plume]

What if it was a lot stronger and faster, but only activates via tripwire or mines or something

[solemn light]

annoying fuckass gun, but it does falter when you get close. the famas is more of a good balance between close and far range engagements

[viscid carbon]

famas can be just as fucky as the pike up close

[solemn light]

yeah, but at least i can reach the bastard (i play flamethrower/melee)

[viscid carbon]

famas is so inconsistent for me honestly

I pick up the pike and immediately farm though

[solemn light]

like, up close or far range?

[viscid carbon]

in general

[solemn light]

hm, ngl might just be bc ur not used to the burst

[muted condor]

I wonder why that is

[solemn light]

also the famas cant really take the same fights as the pike as well, and needs a slightly more active style of play

[viscid carbon]

I play quite aggressively with the pike though and it just works, constantly

[lost plume]

Scope or irons?

[viscid carbon]

Scope

[solemn light]

:/ its probably just the burst then

[muted condor]

No medium weapon can take the same fights as the pike

[viscid carbon]

Pike is unironically such a carry gun

[lost plume]

How do you like the repeater?

[muted condor]

Because the pike can take every fight

[viscid carbon]

Haven’t tried it

[solemn light]

its unironically a stupid ass fuck gun >:(

[viscid carbon]

And I love it lol

[lost plume]

You should

[muted condor]

Pike nerf in season 8 🙏
I have faith

[viscid carbon]

It’s so satisfying double dinking a light in a headglitch lol

[lost plume]

It'll feel different obvs but it hits crazy hard

[solemn light]

i dont wanna play s4 again >:(

[solemn light]

i genuinely nearly quit bc of that dumbass season. tri med pike turret glitch, jpad defib

[solemn light]

just quit at that point. you can't close in and if you play light you insta die

[viscid carbon]

On medium I use goo, pad, fib

[muted condor]

Opens patch notes
Three paragraphs explaining how they like melee and want it to be viable but no actual changes to melee again
25 random changes that do absolutely nothing
No pike nerf
No winch nerf

[viscid carbon]

Should I go with pad, zip, fib instead for the pike?

[solemn light]

real

[lost plume]

The turret rework should just be a giant nerf dart that pushes people 8m

[solemn light]

the only thing that changed was riot shield, arguably the worst one to be giga buffed

[solemn light]

and now the hitbox is fucked. so we have posers running around abusing it. like the sword. time is a flat circle

[muted condor]

Oh I forgot, random “buff” to the model that doesn’t actually fix anything and just makes it even worse to play (extra ammo)

[solemn light]

oh boy! 7 buisness days to reload instead of 6?

[viscid carbon]

opinions on the akm and famas vs pike? (I dislike the fcar)

[muted condor]

Hit box has always been like that

[lost plume]

How has the 87 felt consistently bad since the beta 😔

[solemn light]

akm's better for dueling, worse for range

[muted condor]

Shield isn’t even that much more powerful then it was before it’s just finals used by gold players

[solemn light]

nope. it was definitely not. not like it is now anyways

it was fucked in the other way, being that it blocked too little.

now, if I flamethrower a riot shield head on, he just doesnt die. because a part of the hitbox is sticking over his god damn torso

[muted condor]

I don’t remember exactly when it started doing it because i didn’t play shield for a while but i know it’s been at least 4-6 season like it is now

[lost plume]

The shield blocks the flamethrower??

[solemn light]

it was bad the other way round. inconsistent melee blocking, inconsistent interactions with guns/flamethrowers

[solemn light]

yes. they will only take afterburn damage. not direct damage from the flames themselves

[lost plume]

That is so stupid

[solemn light]

it is. i'd know. i play a bit of flamethrower

the healthy amount

it is bullshit, and they just run at you swinging while the shield hitbox keeps moving back and forth.

cuts damage roughly in half

[muted condor]

Some people haven’t heard about swinging left of playing with a team mate :)

[solemn light]

i am in asia. no one talks. I've only ever heard voice comms once, and it was in a language i didnt understand

[lost plume]

No, I'm not commenting on team play or balance. I am saying a riot shield should not block fire

[solemn light]

if you think i can co-ordinate through that, you must think im a psychic

[solemn light]

it should not. or at the very least, when i light his FACE on fire, his shield shouldnt magically block it when its not up

[muted condor]

Flamethrower already beats it 8/10 times as is

[solemn light]

it doesnt no more i kid you not, they will beat you to death and you can do nothing about it

[muted condor]

The hit box not lining up with the visual shield is annoying but once you figure out how big it actually is they are easy to kill

[lost plume]

Alright guys, he's got an actual flamethrower. I better switch to a baseball bat

[muted condor]

There’s 4 pieces of equipment on heavy that counters the shield

[solemn light]

its a bit hard to do that ngl. im normally in a brawl with 3 other parties

[solemn light]

that is true, but i dont run them very often. they dont mesh with how I play heavy

[lost plume]

What spec do you run with flame?

[muted condor]

I fail to see how this is at all an argument

[solemn light]

so, when i try and just try and kill them with my gun, the hitbox issue is mildly amplified

[viscid carbon]

additional input here?

[solemn light]

either winch/goo gun.

[lost plume]

Awesome!

[muted condor]

Pike wins 9/10 times

[solemn light]

goo gun works half the time

but half isnt that great :/

[lost plume]

I don't see it as an argument either

[muted condor]

Honestly Iv noticed the shield has just become a skill check on players that haven’t learned how to adapt yet

[muted condor]

Once you learn how to change your play style on a whim the shield gets rolled

[solemn light]

i just wish they'd fix their god damned bugs

[muted condor]

Naw 15 more skins for the ANR

Seriously why are there so many god damn skins for that thing

[solemn light]

like, when i get beamed by a pike then beaten to death by a buggy mess, i'm not exactly pleased

add a sh1900 and i'm uninstalling

[solemn light]

no clue

[hardy dust]

Thats kinda just melee in general

Except people got stuff like sword gutted instead of adapting

[solemn light]

if they can gut my baby, they can fix the stupid ass hit box

[raw swan]

im in lvl 96 in the battle pass, if i buy the supreme battle pass i still unlock the next 20 levels? in the bonus page

"20"

[shrewd warren]

no. It (the 20 levels) goes towards the next battle pass instead.

[shy hound]

Medium Ability to recall teammate or cashout, but there will be visible string connecting thing attached

Make a gravity manipulation ability for medium just like antigravity but can change the direction, at start from the body to some range like zipline. Can be used to move object or used as trap

Or a size manipulator that can be used on player or cariable, the effect of the cariable differ from size

The finals influenced by ready player one
Vehicles in the finals
Make a buffer gadget so anything can be double tha effect like jump pad mines and gun

Reloadable meele weapon

[plucky spade]

Your healbeam idea is goated

The problem is defib has skins soooo...

[tiny glen]

minigun is soo fun

[stoic garden]

indeed 🇮🇹

[frozen rose]

are we getting more in S8?

[maiden nest]

I know it's been said n-times already, but I really wish medium's Turret got a bit of love - so often I destroy those before they even get a shot off so they should be quicker to react, and I think they should detect enemies like a sensor in their laser rangefinder zone

I just can't see myself bringing it over demat or heal beam

[indigo nexus]

A faster activation would be nice I think

[plucky spade]

True that.
It still needs more uses though

[near scroll]

feel like turret needs to include an APS function or some other utility tool, maybe a heal like emitter but idk

[stoic garden]

i think aps would fit best, though maybe in some other form

it's a specialization after all

[grand turtle]

It needs more damage. It will never be good if it cannot kill properly.
And maybe removal of those lasers as they give out its position.

[stoic garden]

idk if you've noticed but embark leans towards listening to casual complaints, so they dont want turret to become a source of complaint if it gets good damage simply by being placed down

[near scroll]

ye dmg is not the play, for the game's health

[stoic garden]

i want turret to be good, but it cant simply just deal more damage you feel me

[hollow spindle]

We need gravity gun gadget to knockback opponents and propel ourselves.

[stoic garden]

you could kind of do that with goo gun, with extremely obscure and inconsistent techs

[hexed yoke]

I have a quick cash clip where, if that was a thing, then that would have been why the cash out became a guided missile

[near scroll]

is that goo launch tech in any way able to be semi-consistently replicated? lol

just seems like more of a fun trick to show off lol

[hollow spindle]

Hell yeah

[hollow spindle]

Yeah it's kinda crap tbh... Inconsistent and just kinda useless in a.real game

[void ice]

always remember, if you see a terrible player just keep in mind thats who the games balanced around

[indigo nexus]

The game seems balanced around the top ~1/3 of players, from my experience?

But I’m not really sure as that’s a vague estimate

Might be closer to about 1/4 actually, since many of the newer players don’t play ranked, but again that’s conjecture…

I guess more specifically I should say, the game seems balanced around upper-gold level players, and I estimated that about 1/3 or 1/4 of dedicated players are above that skill level

[near scroll]

i wish embark wished for more diversity in pick rates as much as i did

also how are people feeling about sword rework now that time has passed

[indigo nexus]

That’s been a major factor in their balancing throughout

for better or for worse

[near scroll]

feel like theyve been slacking in the specs department

dash, demat and winch have all been meta/centralizing/overpicked since their release

[indigo nexus]

Maybe. Specs are very sensitive so it does seem they’re less willing to risk unsettling the playstyles of their users

[indigo nexus]

The game is not balanced around the “meta”

Dash is overly popular, though

With most things in the game, their viability curve peaks at either the lowest skill levels or the highest. Things like winch are the highest, and turret the lowest. This doesn’t mean they are over or under represented in general.

Which is basically to say that how “meta” something is shouldn’t determine if it needs a buff or a nerf, but the more or less “meta” something is the more it could use some kind of rework

[near scroll]

i feel like a game as complex as this should not put its main focus on "enforcing" a meta that the devs seem healthy, id much rather they put their efforts towards bringing everything in line and letting players figure it out

now that's not to say unhealthy options shouldn't be looked into (rework winch pls)

but having options be overpicked certainly represents a disparity in the effort to reward ratio of different options

90% of competitive players won't bother learning something that's 50% harder for a 10% efficiency increase

[tiny glen]

do new gadgets always come with new season?

[near scroll]

no, not guaranteed

[tiny glen]

ok...

[indigo nexus]

What, exactly, is the difference between “enforcing a meta” and “bringing everything in line”? And why is there an implication that what they’re doing right now is the former?

[near scroll]

well rather, new gadgets are addded at the start of a season, but its not guaranteed every new season will get new gadgets

[tiny glen]

medium needs gadgets

[near scroll]

in league, certain characters are deemed "unhealthy" for the pro scene by riot and thus they purposely keep them at a low power level so they won't upset the pro scene, this is an example of enforcing a meta

if riot wanted to bring everything in line they'd try to rework the champ so they can be healthy for pro scene too

i'm not implying that's what embark's trying to do, just saying thats what it feels like with certain aspects of balancing (namely the discrepancy between spec power levels and pick rates)

[indigo nexus]

Ah. So one could say that may be why MGL is consistently underused

[near scroll]

agreed, but even then, pad would still have 100% pickrate and defib like 80% (and zip like 50% ig)

[near scroll]

one could indeed. i do believe embark is wary of touching it after all the cl40 dramas

[indigo nexus]

Personally then I think “enforcing a meta” makes sense, one should balance for user experience rather than some naive definition of the ideal case

[tiny glen]

rn I use pad defi too, but he needs a fun gadget

[near scroll]

what about the users that are unhappy with this current experience? are they "wrong"?

am i "wrong" to want winch and mgl rework for instance? because they might potentially destabilize the current health of the game for a bit?

i'd rather see a game try and fail, then pick itself up again than just do nothing and be contempt with the current state

[tiny glen]

like a third good and fun shit... breach drill would be fun if it was useful

[indigo nexus]

This depends on the given user. How correct they are will be different for each case.

No.

[deft patrol]

imagine a heavy sniper but it's a .22

[tiny glen]

heavy gets all the cool weapons ngl

[deft patrol]

most of them are just silly weapons you can mess around with

[near scroll]

goo grenade

[tiny glen]

good gramade is not what I mean

[near scroll]

fair.

anyways point is i don't wanna see embark get complacent with the state of balance and i fear they'll become more and more cautious with balancing considering we are entering the esports era of THE FINALS™

[tiny glen]

minigun flamethrower sledgehammer are very silly ig

[near scroll]

its fun tho :)
and its good with pad+defib

[deft patrol]

the grenade launcher

[velvet pasture]

is it me or does the chain claw feel like a must have for heavies

[tiny glen]

that shi is soo ahh

[deft patrol]

heavy with sledge or flame I always use winch

[tiny glen]

yes

[deft patrol]

I feel like it's hard to use sledge without the winch

[velvet pasture]

its so damn versatile for manipulating the cashout box, pulling thieves off the cashout even with a shield around them, making the filthy melee weapon lights die etc

[near scroll]

but when you make it work your brain gets an orgasm, so, worth it

[deft patrol]

I've been using sledge in WT recently and have been the best on my team with it

[near scroll]

yea, most powerful and most picked heby spec right now.
some of us are so fed up with it we'd like a rework (dont think number tweaks will suffice)

[tiny glen]

I like charge ngl

[near scroll]

goo gun

[deft patrol]

i don't like winching a light that has dash, since you hit them and they dash away

[velvet pasture]

ngl when i first used the heavy charge, i thought it would basically catch and pin someone in front of me (shi feels like reinhardt charge from ow)

[deft patrol]

i also dread seeing a riot shield in world tour since it's hard to counter with sledge

[velvet pasture]

imagine having the shield and charge at the same time, with sledge

[tiny glen]

would be p cool ngl

light new spec when? give grapple 2 charges

[velvet pasture]

tbh id rather see defib go and have its functionality put into the medigun

[stoic garden]

can you imagine they put defib inside heal beam

[tiny glen]

medigun would be like a must pick tho

[hexed yoke]

But hear me out
Defib kills

[velvet pasture]

yeah, so thats not a good fix

[tiny glen]

💀

[stoic garden]

(all classes are technically a must pick, ESPECIALLY MEDIUM already)

[velvet pasture]

maybe make defib not instant rez but instead make your rez timer 3x shorter than usual

[deft patrol]

it was fun to do that in bf6

[velvet pasture]

so you have to still stand in place to get it off

[tiny glen]

perma or on a cd?

[velvet pasture]

no like the timer for reviving a teammate from the figurine

[near scroll]

defib does 50dmg right now

[velvet pasture]

make it shorter but not instant, so you cant just rez and keep sprinting

[tiny glen]

but its always 3x or just once and then its on a cd?

[hexed yoke]

Correct

[tiny glen]

defi does dmg?

[stoic garden]

idk man i dont fw that would revive too quick and possibly lose versatility, also may reinforce goo grenade on medium which is ok but we'd rather have a diverse meta

do you understand how quick a 3x speed rez is

[velvet pasture]

i meant on the defib
forget the medigun rez, thats not gonna work

[stoic garden]

i would've liked that ngl

like you use heal beam on a statue to slowly rez it back, possibly using all your charge

[deft patrol]

tbh it's funny to see someone get rez and then use sledge to one shot them

[tiny glen]

slowly could work

[stoic garden]

heal beam has decent range so it would be interesting, you could slide around and shit while rezing even

idk how it'd feel tho

[velvet pasture]

the problem with slower rez with beam is that it makes no sense to use it ever - just grab the figurine, go somewhere safe and rez normally

[tiny glen]

yeah, this could work while still keeping demi viable

[near scroll]

what if you "charge" the statue by beaming it and that removes time from the hand rez on that statue? so u can start prepping a rez before committing to it

[velvet pasture]

it would have to replace defib entirely, making mediums too must-pick

[tiny glen]

oh right

[stoic garden]

that would be pretty

[stoic garden]

not me rezin my heavy from a semi hidden vent in syshorizon with necromancy so he keeps fighting for me

[velvet pasture]

so the idea is to make defib replace the initial charge-up time before use and the instant fire-rez mechanic, with it instead making the usual hand-rez time 2-3x shorter when equipped and in hands

[tiny glen]

honestly the only thing that keeps me playing medium is the revolver ngl

[stoic garden]

this is an interesting rework for sure tho

[tiny glen]

maybe when I try dual blades ill change my mind

[void ice]

shit even most pro players wont use "hard" weapons because its simply better to use somthing more consistent eg an AR or smg

[velvet pasture]

btw is it me or is the heavy's 4-tube shotgun kinda piss

[stoic garden]

it's goated but requires INSANE aim

[velvet pasture]

like i felt as if i was shooting peanuts, not lead

[void ice]

just use the shak tbh

[stoic garden]

it deals piss damage if you're off mark even by a little unfortunately

[tiny glen]

I dont feel like shotgun in this game ngl

[velvet pasture]

rn i mostly use the KS or dual .50

[tiny glen]

heavy is fun with minigun

[stoic garden]

you see way too few people running lh1 💔

[velvet pasture]

until you get flashbanged
this is why i run flashbangs on my KS heavy, to deal with the mg/minigun heavies

[stoic garden]

honestly run barricade bro

minigun can break its segments, but one takes like a fifth of their mag, that's 50 bullets lost my fella

now i dont remember the exact ammo needed, but it's around that

[tiny glen]

fair enough... I hope my poket rpg can fix that tho

I dont know what to run between barricade and heal emitter ngl. I have dome

[stoic garden]

if you have dome I'd run emitter

[velvet pasture]

does emitter and the healing items get rid of the auto-healing delay?

[stoic garden]

nope, everyone would run them if they did

[verbal mantle]

I'd like defib to be better... But interruptible, if you try to defib someone right in front of the enemy team, they can just shoot the hologram a bit to cancel it, rip.
But if it goes through that player should be good to go instead of crazy gimped like they are now.

[deft patrol]

i have emitter with sledge so I can heal quickly

[thorny star]

Interrupting by shooting the hologram is stupid bruh. Best we can ask from embark is allowing us to reject defib revive

[verbal mantle]

Also fair

[tiny glen]

minigun dome soo fun

[verbal mantle]

I'm sick of getting crappy defibed

[grand turtle]

I like the idea of better defib revives but being able to shoot the hologram

[trail meteor]

Minigun dome is so cheesy, it just so funny to watch them struggle

[tiny glen]

fr

[trail meteor]

They just cant even touch you anymore

Until that one guy runs gas grenade

[velvet pasture]

lol i sometimes run gas+smoke on my light

prevents others from clearing gas with fire, and conceals the gas a bit

especially useful when you steal a cashout - clear the 50 fire nades with smoke, steal, immediately toss gas

[tiny glen]

doesn't heal emitter out heal gas?

[versed finch]

no, it doesnt out heal gas or fire

[tiny glen]

do u have stats?

[versed finch]

i run it in ps, i still manage to die just to gas and fire without being shot at

it does extend how long you survive in it, but you'll still die, just slower

[near scroll]

yea i mentioned "competitive" players as in they try their hardest to win, so why bother

[near scroll]

it + winch + good aim = comp meta

if you're missing either winch or the aim it is indeed piss weak

[indigo monolith]

Does anyone else have issues with the m26 matter shots just not registering, even when my Crosshair is over a enemy player

[rigid snow]

What's the new guns irl counterpart?

[versed finch]

occasionally. usually when the servers are real laggy

[versed finch]

here

[tawny scaffold]

man imma be honest I think the P90 will go the the light class since it's really compact and short

I mean it could never be used by a heavy look how small it is

[swift agate]

it's most likely going to medium. light already has two smgs and recieved an AR in season 6, so it would follow that medium having 3 ARs will get the teased smg in season 8

[tawny scaffold]

I could also get behind that

[swift agate]

and also it's definitely not going to heavy because heavy is 100% getting the BFR

[proper elbow]

What is BFR?

[swift agate]

Magnum Research Big Frame Revolver

[swift agate]

.

[tawny scaffold]

oh for sure, I just hope you can get to switch between different calibers

[swift agate]

I feel like that would be a bit too much

[tawny scaffold]

it is bringing something new to the table

you can chamber that gun in .500 mag, .45-70, .45 acp and .410

[swift agate]

sure, but not every new weapon needs to have a fancy gimmick. that's not really what the game is about

[tawny scaffold]

so if they give is .45-70 and .410, you could have access to buckshot with the .410

[swift agate]

I'm thinking it's probably just going to be in .500 mag

[proper elbow]

I thought they weren’t adding any new weapons this season?

[tawny scaffold]

if its just one round i'd prefer a 45-70

its way stronger than the 500 s&w

[swift agate]

I mean that would be an aesthetic difference more than anything. whether it says 500 mag or 45-70 on the model doesn't affect the stats

[tawny scaffold]

it would be cool if the round was extremely destructive towards goo, shields and barricade

[swift agate]

we already have KS

[tawny scaffold]

KS is agaist walls

I mean its just an all around very strong round they would probably do something cool with it

[swift agate]

ks is against all structures, which includes goo and barricades. shields, not so much, but shields already have a hard counter in the form of glitch

we don't need a whole weapon that counters them too

[tawny scaffold]

you have a point

but what if the bullet could actually go through the goo but deal less damage?

say it lost a lot of velocity and only does a percentage of it's damage, like 15-20%

[swift agate]

yeah, but that wouldn't really be very useful. in order to make any plays with that, you would need a very elaborate setup that includes both goo and sonar, and then hope the enemy stands in front of it and lets you shoot them

[tawny scaffold]

you don't need sonar to predict where the enemies would be, I've seen enemies throw goo nades in a middle of a fight to get a breathing room

I mean it probably won't be a feature they'll add

[swift agate]

it wouldn't be meaningfully useful against that tactic. throwing goo between yourself and an enemy is generally meant to keep you from following them, not just from shooting them. they'll just duck around a corner before you get a shot off

[tawny scaffold]

fuck it then

let it shoot through walls

[swift agate]

wallbanging would be a more broadly useful feature for sure. it would likely be quite difficult to balance around though

[tawny scaffold]

yeah I agree

[outer cove]

Y’all think this new weapon coming is the FN FNC assault rifle?

[indigo nexus]

Wallbanging seems like it wouldn’t make much sense outside of places where we already have it?

Pretty much all the other building walls, it makes no sense for bullets to go through.

Also, it could make detection gadgets too strong.

[tiny glen]

p90

akm or fcar?

[tawny scaffold]

come on oscar drop the announcement already

fn p90 and BFR

[warm gyro]

That was in a ranked game, I’m plat right now but that was last season world tour badge

[tawny scaffold]

can't wait to onetap lights with the BFR

[proven compass]

FCAR is stronger, AKM is more forgiving
if you’re really good with the FCAR’s recoil there’s basically no reason to run AKM but it’s still a fine pick
in a casual setting it’s pretty much preference

[solemn light]

tbh, while those could probably be reworked, it probably wont happen mainly because of that :/

[indigo nexus]

AKM for its mag and a minor general ttk edge, FCAR for anything else

[swift agate]

sorry, but devs have been pretty adamant about keeping one-shots limited strictly to light-on-light interactions with the only special cases being dagger and sledge, which are both melee weapons. I highly doubt they're going to ditch that rule for the BFR

[plucky spade]

Also, the cooldown should work as following: once resurrcted, no sickness, 40% hp and healbeam disabled for 6s before you can heal, rev mechanic restored in 30

[heady rapids]

Any clue to what this could be

[swift agate]

it's a p90

[swift agate]

.

[plucky spade]

1 hour to the next reveal

[cunning slate]

Cannot wait.

[proper elbow]

I hope it shows a sneak of a new map

[floral basalt]

.

[round breach]

im not sure what it is, but i hope its a low recoil high firerate AR

[gusty rock]

p90

same flash hider

[heady rapids]

You’ve never seen a railgun before?

An energy snipe rifle

[round breach]

im not an expert on guns tbh :p

[lusty garden]

if theres a railgun this seaon i might shit

[plucky spade]

45 min

[modest edge]

this is real? you just have to shoot close to hologram?

diphib))

[thorny star]

Nah i was replying to the guy's suggestion on changing the defb

[modest edge]

okay i was gonna say ive been doing it ALL wrong😭

[shell sonnet]

what are we thinking?
more battle pass teasers?
map teaser?

[devout notch]

I'm thinking map today and maybe weapon our weapons tmrw?

[cunning slate]

They teased weapons yesterday. Maybe maps and one garenteed weapon.

[plucky spade]

did they redesign seoul??

[boreal pike]

They just teased killcams

[proven compass]

So peak

[shell sonnet]

the door to lower servers is not there anymore, may be turned by 90°?

[junior flicker]

Or a theater mode?
Killcams sound more likely

[shell sonnet]

visuals are different

is gravity vortex more violent?
looks like it almost rips the cashout away...

why is iseults logo red...

[boreal pike]

It did look a tad different but idk if that’s just because of the visuals

[shell sonnet]

also, is the duck in the sky?
i dont recall it being that way
did we get duck and cover for seoul?

id honestly love more map modifiers

imagine construction seoul
but now with added floating platforms over small hospital, apartments, servers and patronelle plaza

[amber plinth]

Anyone has noticed the yellow hologram behind the punk medium in the image teaser?

[clear vale]

What is the new gun

[proven compass]

It’s an exact duplicate of the outfit
I assumed it was gonna be a special effect tied to part of the outfit

new guns are P90 and BFR .500

[clear vale]

I this they just teased kill cam

[eager wasp]

so laaaame, so wish it wouldve been cooler weapons

[clear vale]

It showed mid dies

[proven compass]

This was kill cam yea
We have one more teaser, wonder what it’ll be

[clear vale]

Then showed light killing him

🤤

When will a new size come like a very tall guy?

[proven compass]

Maybe a more official teaser for the sponsors than the keyart

[sudden pewter]

This looks like a killcam or recording system

[clear vale]

Ya probably I hope green sponsor is good because I have no green clothing

[sudden pewter]

Either way it’s fire

[clear vale]

☝️

[proven compass]

Based on the whole thing being first person it’s gotta be killcam

If it was a built-in clipping system i doubt we’d be watching from the medium’s pov

[clear vale]

Do you guys thing when finals gets super popular it will be fun or less fun

[proven compass]

I don’t see there being a difference honestly
Either way you’re getting a variety of players in your lobbies

[stoic garden]

more fun i think, with current playerbase, matchmaking can sometimes pair you with players a lot better than you

hope that more players alleviates the problem

[zinc obsidian]

Please add a shoulder or backpack bunny pet. PLEASE I BEG YOU

[sudden pewter]

https://imgur.com/caTQ8bb

[muted condor]

I do like watching the COD community cry for SBMM to be removed then come over here and see everyone cry for more SBMM

[boreal pike]

A theater system would be an absolute treat. Time to bring back videogame skits lmao. [Insertclevertitlehere]

[forest birch]

Medium and heavy respectively I assume?

[proven compass]

That’s the assumption yes

[maiden nest]

CoD players who cry for removal of SSBM fail to understand one thing

When they complain about "trash team", inability to climb and the like, that's just them belonging where they should and, with players who are as bad as them

Dunning Kruger effect or something

[cursive owl]

I don't think they would give heavy another pistol already

[muted condor]

Most of them don’t realize that without sbmm they will be going 2-30 against the one dude on the other team that has a career kd of 10

[silver bay]

whats a good build with healing beam

[sudden pewter]

Defib + double mobility or debib mobility and Goo Nade

[boreal pike]

Then add to the fact that the Finals Community is a bit smaller, if SBMM was increased, they really wouldn't stand a chance considering the top 10% alone are some pretty wild player lol.

[boreal pike]

Defib, AKM/FCAR, Jumpad, gas mine/grenade.

[proven compass]

It’s a revolver firing, most likely, .500 S&W magnum or .45-70

the medium’s revolver fires .357 for reference

[muted condor]

Best heal beam load out would be switching to light

[lusty garden]

truth snuke

[cursive owl]

Idk it just seems odd, heavy already has deagles for oversized handgun caliber

[proven compass]

These rounds are both larger than the deagles .50 AE or .44 magnum too

And it’d be a single action so not another semi auto pistol

[cursive owl]

Sure but i feel like that fantasy is already kinda fulfilled

Single action maybe they do it, that going to heavy just seems odd

[sudden pewter]

SBMM enjoyers when they’re forced to clench their asscheeks and sweat even in the casual modes, ruining their enjoyment of the game

[boreal pike]

Im still not 100% convinced its weapons....I hate to say it, but im worried that teaser was showing 1 of 3 things.
1: MAYBE One in the chamber or gungane...
2: Attachments.....I'd be pissed...
3: New decoy gadget

"But from which barrel"
That part confused me. I could be completely wrong tho.

[proven compass]

Medium already has a revolver and this thing would look ridiculous in the hands of a light it’s so big
Heavy is the only logical one

[cursive owl]

I mean i dont think it being ridiculous is a big deal you can play as the worlds ugliest shark

[lusty garden]

be nice to him, you cant control your mutations dude

[cursive owl]

It is simultaneously one of the funniest and ugliest cosmetics I've seen

[sudden pewter]

• Attachments aren’t happening.
• Gungame would be neat?
• Decoys would be worthless.

[proven compass]

I just don’t see a world in which they give a revolver that’s larger than a deagle to light

[sudden pewter]

Heavy 100%

[shell sonnet]

didnt they test gungame in the chinese version?
i thought i saw something

[lusty garden]

light shouldnt have any guns with a higher caliber than whatever is in the sniper rifle

[proven compass]

The freezeframes explicitly show two different weapons that we don’t have

[cursive owl]

I don't disagree that like its a big gun but werent deagles season 4 or 5

That feels so recent to be getting another hand gun

[shell sonnet]

feels too close to revolver for me

[sudden pewter]

I’m still fairly confident we’re getting 3 weapons, I can’t imagine an archetype being left out (hope it’s light tho fuck them little bugs)

[blazing flume]

Why would we get another revolver tho, it’s just seems silly to me

[cursive owl]

It's already happened once hasn't it

[shell sonnet]

like, i see its pretty much gotta be this gun
but it feels... off...

[boreal pike]

This season is called "The Games" more than likely gonna be mode focused. Hopefully powershift gets another update. Fortune Stadium would be dope to play on. As well as some updates to private lobbies

[sudden pewter]

Heavy doesn’t have a revolver. It will be our first single hand cannon. And there’s tons of ways to differentiate it from Mediums

[cursive owl]

On heavy it'll probably just feel like a hitscan ks23

Which i dont know how chill i am with heavy getting a high damage single shot ranged weapon

[lunar socket]

Guys which build is the teaser is

[cursive owl]

Medium smg is basically the akm ig

P90 will probably out ttk all mediums full autos

[oblique crypt]

What is this new teaser all about?

[graceful nova]

With a damage drop off

[cursive owl]

Yeah lower range ofc

[blazing flume]

Replays and/or kill cams probably

[muted condor]

They only gave two classes gadgets this season

[proven compass]

Heal ball H+ and wall breach drill thing no one uses

[inner lion]

We got three this season, the heal smg, heal ball and breach drill

[muted condor]

Breaching drill? What are you all talking about

[proven compass]

The BFR is:
single action (have to manually pull back the hammer)
5 shots
a gate loader (have to manually remove and load each round)
a massive round

The .357 is:
double action (trigger pull pulls back hammer)
6 shots
a swing out, uses a speed-loader

[blazing flume]

To be fair, I also forgot the breach drill when thinking of gadgets from this season

[plush saffron]

what breach drill?

[muted condor]

Is this drill in the room with us XD

[proven compass]

I think i’ve seen it used once by an enemy in world tour

[cursive owl]

It's kinda neat

[proven compass]

It’s literally outclassed in every way by flashbang and demat

[cursive owl]

They should probably add another charge to it so you can carry two

[graceful nova]

Breach drill if heavy is running full shield

[cursive owl]

Or a cd buff

[muted condor]

I was really hyped about it but it ended up being shit

[graceful nova]

Just making a hole in itself is already useful

[cursive owl]

Yeah having a way to interact with the map is always a good addition

[proven compass]

yknow what else makes a hole on medium but doesn’t give a warning and has multiple uses?

[graceful nova]

Breach drill and heal beam then

[cursive owl]

I would honestly hope the spec is better than the gadget

[muted condor]

They need to give it two charges and a manual activation

[graceful nova]

Demat doesn’t make permanent holes

[proven compass]

H+:

[inner lion]

Having it work like a C4/breach charge would help a lot, we would effectively get a flash bang mine

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[cursive owl]

H+ is a tad strong

[proven compass]

Can’t wait for the 50% nerf in two days

[cursive owl]

Did it get nerfed this season im assuming it did i want playing too too much

[blazing flume]

Id honestly maybe use breach drill if it could be placed on the bottom of the powershift platform or moving platforms, mostly the powershift one tho

[proven compass]

It went from 20 a shot to 15 a shot

[sudden pewter]

H+ shouldn’t have released in the state it did. Anyone with a functioning brain could have easily identified issues the H+ poses even from the design stage. How nobody at Embark thought “Damn this kinda dumpsters the dedicated healing spec” is going to be studied for the rest of the games lifespan.

[boreal pike]

What if the breach drill was reworked into the MGL as an alt-fire?

"MGL-X"

[proven compass]

So it can’t heal a heavy from 1 to full in a single mag now

Only 50 to full

[sudden pewter]

It went from 400 to 300 but given Heavies aren’t at 50HP too often it’s still essentially a full heal.

[proven compass]

A mag can be dumped in 1.43 seconds btw
so you can full heal a heavy in 1.43 seconds

[sudden pewter]

It can still ensure team fights by tanking the Heavy and snowballing with health diff. Still heals way too much way too fast without any of the risks associated with the heal beam

[muted condor]

I actually started playing a bit of light with it and holy shit it’s broken

[sudden pewter]

It’s ridiculous

[proven compass]

Will it be going down to 500 points to unlock next season?

[sudden pewter]

Big dumb stupid idiots will parrot the twitch monkeys and say “heal meta” but we have a “H+ meta”

Very obvious issue which Embark still hasn’t addressed

[coral root]

Ye give h+ to medium

[graceful nova]

H+ infuser is only OP if you let the light player live

[boreal pike]

Yeah I switched to H+ as light when my team plays L-H-H....shits wack lol.

[proven compass]

A good light player won’t let you kill them before they’ve full healed the heavy

[muted condor]

I’m running grapple/sniper with it and there is literally no way for people to stop me from healing my heavy

[sudden pewter]

Mmm yes let’s give Light a gadget that heals better than the healing spec without being constrained by a tether range

Surely this isn’t a bad idea

[boreal pike]

Most of those lights play pocket when using the H+ . Good luck lol.

[muted condor]

Good luck killing me when I have grapple equip

[boreal pike]

See ^ lmao

[graceful nova]

Light + Heavy is already a 2v1, they could just teamshoot you instead of healing

[proven compass]

And sometimes that’s the answer
But what about cashouts

With dome you have to do what
1.2k damage? Before the steal goes off

[boreal pike]

Not with the SR or double barrel. Then it becomes a 1v1 lol

[graceful nova]

If a heavy is stealing and you can’t stop via elim you can try Nullifier, goo to the face, etc. all the stall stuff we know of

[proven compass]

goo got patched

[sudden pewter]

Waiting for Lights to use their only two braincells and start running Nullifier + H+ to guarantee teamfights

[graceful nova]

I was stopping steals by shooting goo at the thief, and it worked

[boreal pike]

My buddy cant lay off the anti steals goo meta lol

[muted condor]

Ngl I don’t think this guy understands at all

[graceful nova]

You got 20 shots, full auto and you only need one to interrupt steal

[sudden pewter]

H+ apologists will be stoned Ishallah 🙏

[lusty garden]

h+ should be turned into another nullifier

[graceful nova]

Would dome shield stop H+ shots?

[muted condor]

H+ should be semi auto with only a few shots that heal small amounts of health

[proven compass]

My mistake
I misread that patch note, goo gun got patched to block interactions

[graceful nova]

All healing equipment in the game require line of sight, except arena heal balls

[proven compass]

Still a team with an H+ up the heavy’s ass is gonna beat a heavy with goo gun 9 times out of 10

[maiden nest]

Best way to nerf H+ is to reduce its burst heal potential that's for sure, the delay between shots should be increased by 100%

Increase the amount of time a light has to spend firing and healing, and chances of out-DPSing the heal

[muted condor]

Completely reasonable and balanced

[graceful nova]

How many H+ were healing that light 🥶

[muted condor]

It was a heavy and one light

[proven compass]

A single H+ does 300 in 1.43s so one would be enough to full heal a heavy mid fight

[graceful nova]

Victim was Heavy, did more damage than the light player but still died due to H+ healing

[muted condor]

The heavy did not die 😂

[graceful nova]

That’s 1.43 seconds of them not firing at you and only focusing on hitting all 20 shots of H+

[ripe pebble]

what is this new gadget? i dont get it
oh wait nvm

[proven compass]

Waow
That’s also 1.43 seconds of the heavy being immortal and blocking you from shooting the light

[muted condor]

I almost did 500 damage at perfect mini gun range against a enemy that was stealing but somehow lost

[graceful nova]

I mean I know how hard it is to practically eliminate a heal light but in theory there is room to counter an H+ infuser some where

[muted condor]

There is no way to counter it besides glitching the light

[plucky spade]

gee i wonder what else stalls the cashout aside from monkeying it

[muted condor]

But that literally is the counter to everything and heavy does not have it

[plucky spade]

the total iq is taking a nosedive currently

are we talking about stealing rn?

[graceful nova]

H+ Infuser may be OP in 2v1s but tbh the odds are stacked against you if you have to 1v2 regardless of build

[proven compass]

H+ in general

[muted condor]

Just the H+ in general

[plucky spade]

well the counter is your own team usually, since the h+ infuser can't be used on yourself

[muted condor]

The H+ is OP in any situation

[graceful nova]

H+ should be counterable during steal by simply interrupt the line of sight or something.

[muted condor]

You can instantly take a heavy from 50-full

[plucky spade]

soooooooo what's the problem again? Don't get me wrong it overshadows heal beam but in the grand scheme of things it isn't anything new

[graceful nova]

It doesn’t really help the lone light player if they have to do 1 v n

[plucky spade]

we had that shi with pre nerf heal beam

y'all fightin over nothing right now

[muted condor]

And pre nerf heal beam was gutted for a good reason

[graceful nova]

Healing only works if the enemy team is together, if you can split them up, you can deal with them one on one, all that on paper at least.

[proven compass]

Heal beam is 40 health per second and H+ is around 210 per second

[maiden nest]

All that healing talk gave me a buff idea for fire DoT - how about players that are being burned are considered "cauterised" and cannot recover HP

[plucky spade]

Yes and if the heal target is moving suddenly that healing falls off a cliff

[muted condor]

God you’re a dumb ass I’m sorry there is no way to explain this to you

[plucky spade]

and in fights the heal target is moving

[maiden nest]

Would give the pyro grenade and flamethrower some extra utility

[proven compass]

The heal target is a heavy and you’re directly behind that heavy
if you’re missing a majority of shots cuz your heavy is strafing idk what to tell you

[fallen goblet]

The healing from H+ does mean that the light isn't shooting back at you. It also means that whoever you are shooting at is not dying in one clip. The finals is a unique game in that you only have one weapon and reloads are extremely detrimental. In the same scenario, using any form of shields or goo will also instantly cut off any pressure you have on the opponent and specifically H+ will full heal anyone who is taking a breather.

[graceful nova]

Like I said, it’s all on paper, I’m aware H+ does a lot of health per shot

What about 2v2s? One can’t out dps H+, what about 2?

[sudden pewter]

This has been asked about for quite a while.

Fire would definitely be a very good anti-healing niche. Even if it’s just reducing the healing

(I’d also like to see it deal more damage the longer a player stands in its AOE)

[maiden nest]

If so, then I don't quite understand why it's not a thing already

[graceful nova]

If the H+ infuser is still really that powerful I’m sure the devs will just nerf it again

[obsidian iron]

how does recoil smoothing work

[proven compass]

TF2 makes fire reduce healing and it’s a pretty nice mechanic to have

[shell sonnet]

but thats just gas

[sudden pewter]

Embark works in mysterious||stupid|| ways

[shell sonnet]

i think it should only be one

but maybe the case it to be made that fire should ramp in damage and gas reduces healing

but maybe with pyro weapons exisiting taht should be kept to pyro...

[compact tundra]

So is it confirmed we are getting a p90 and heavy revolver or bullpup?

[sudden pewter]

I’d be fine with either tbh. Healing isn’t so powerful it needs a dedicated counter. Healing options outside of natural regen are limited. H+ just needs to be reworked/nerfed further

[sudden pewter]

No. Just suggestions that seem to fit with what’s been shown so far.

[compact tundra]

Ok cause I from what I knew we weren't getting any weapons this season so I was confused

But hell maybe we do get them

[proven compass]

This is the closest to confirmation we have but it’s a pretty safe bet