💣┇weapons-gadgets

[civic salmon]

If I spent half the time I spend making edits of the content in this game I'd be ruby twice over lol

[compact tundra]

For your finals style songs do you have a specific tempo range you prefer to work in. I typically write in the 60-80 range because I like slower prices but I'm guessing shredding guitar and E-Piano runs would want a faster tempo

[compact tundra]

Na the game has enough sweats, your providing something they don't

[civic salmon]

Not really, I just screw around with it till it sounds right. I have a background with goth industrial music so out of habit I still around the 130ish bpm

[compact tundra]

Aight that works I'll just go with 135 for now and see if I can make a quick demo of what I'm thinking. No promise on when tho since I doubt I can finish it on my break

[civic salmon]

No rush from me.

I messaged ya with a link to some other work on my channel an I'll msg u my soundcloud as well

[winter jay]

i think the heart is a full health backstab

[stoic garden]

it is yes

not sure about the full health part

but it indicates a backstab nonetheless

[mossy glacier]

Does anyone use the whip on lights ? and if you do, what maps are the best for it ?

[compact tundra]

The whip?

[mossy glacier]

The claw for the light, whatever man lol

[compact tundra]

Oh grapple hook. It's good on really all maps but it takes a lot of skill to get enough use out of it to justify not just grabbing dash

[hushed river]

Should I be using the shak and winch in low elo?

[grim jasper]

Its honestly up to you. I'm not sure what the ranked meta is but in WT I can run shak with goo and be fine. If you're low elo run whats comfortable.

[hushed river]

I feel like I am always two bullets short when running it and have a hard time finishing kills. Not sure if I should run a different kit or just work on my aim with the shak

[grim jasper]

I personally like the m60 better than the shak in most situations. The recoil is easier to manage and has a longer sustained fire and its one that seems to be used in higher elos was well. There's no shame in switching if you need to while you work on the shak in casual modes.

[dusky cobalt]

ive been running m60 mesh shield and its been doing wonders

[hushed river]

Imma try out the M60 I think next game. I appreciate the input!!

[mossy glacier]

I find the dash good laterally but not at all vertically.

[compact tundra]

You are correct but the cult of light will never let you speak this truth

[raven carbon]

bro what the

[mild dove]

currently grinding ranked with dome with m60 mesh shield

one of the better heavy build in my opinion

[sudden pewter]

M60 definitely underrated

[brittle marten]

Hello, Does someone know if there is some skins like the model’s 1887 with reload animation change ? Thx : )

[compact tundra]

Gonna be hard countered by winch tho, still a good load out just winch SA is going to assault you.

[mild dove]

seen people using it more this season definitely counters me in a lot of matchups

[compact tundra]

The higher you go the more you'll see. SA-12 and winch are the defined meta for heavy atm

[boreal laurel]

I can tell you for sure that these skins change the reload animations:

• The water-gun skin for flamethrower
• The stick skin for the revolver
• The CD player skin for FCAR
• The Rambo skin for M60
• The S6 target-pistol skin for V9S
• The alien skins for V9S and Pike

I don’t know any others for sure

[brittle marten]

Thanks apreciate it

[solid heart]

The top competitive players like Bizzy actually use the shak 50 which pairs well with winch claw. M60 is definitely another great option but isn't as good to pair with winch since DPS isnt amazing so alternative would be the SA. Mesh shield might be a better pairing for M60.

[brittle marten]

I wish I was good with SA 🙁 i love the weapon but I feel like I have no dmg and getting to melee with the slow heavy is kinda painfull, if u have some tips could be cool 🫡

[plucky spade]

Dough wrangler

[fallen karma]

Any tips for sledge please?

[hexed tulip]

im bad at teaching others stuff but mostly
try fighting inside, avoid fighting outside at all costs

then ig try to remember how many and which attack you need to kill em
light: 1 overhead OR 2 horizontal
medium: 1 overhead + 1 horizontal OR 3 horizontal
heavy: 1 overhead + 2 horizontal OR 2 overheads

try to slide into your enemies to extend your range a bit

try to attack when your enemies are clustered up (like in the vid) because the horizontal attack has multihit so you damage all of them

uhh what else

use goo grenades for cover and to throw behind enemies running away if you can safely catch up, irritates them most of the time and just keeps them in one place

dont chase enemies (especially outside), not worth it, let your teammates deal with that

[thorn talon]

This is so peak

[muted condor]

Releasing a $10 skin for a weapon that has been actively broken for over half the game’s life time is crazy work

[hexed tulip]

and it’s pretty much a copy paste from the sword skin from the s2 bp too

[muted condor]

Wild

[fallen karma]

Ty!

[compact tundra]

I mean skul is the guy to talk to but heavy MovEmeNt is the gap closer to getting better.

I prefer mesh SA tho, mesh movement is so much more fun then just chaining someone

[hexed tulip]

np, hopefully it helps
heavy combo were wrong, fixed that

[brittle marten]

Thx ill search for videos who explain how to get better movements with heavy

[brittle marten]

I usually play winch Shak or Winch Akimbo, when I tried mesh I had hard Time with the animation, when I cancel my shield I feel like it take ages before I can shoot again

[compact tundra]

I also help "coach" sometimes if you wanna basic rundown of what I know, tho I'm not the best obviously. Mic isn't required but makes life much easier

[brittle marten]

Could be very nice from u honestly 🥲 i’m Silver playing since 1,5 month now

[compact tundra]

Don't worry mate, I'm not great my highest is gold 1 tho this is the first season I ever tried ranked and I only started around 15-20 days ago. But I think my heavy is at least decently solid.

[brittle marten]

No doubt u can help me haha

[compact tundra]

Aight I'll dm then

[brittle marten]

🙏🏻

[heady rapids]

How long does the first portal stay open for Gateway

Without 2nd portal btw ^

[foggy ruin]

hey did something new happen with flamethrower happen? I've been noticing it alot more in my matches today.

[burnt inlet]

I don't think the flamethrower has changed, I think the changes to the riot shield and dual blades have made them more popular and flamethrower is a good counter to those

[stoic garden]

20 seconds with both portals, infinitely if only one, the singular one breaks if you go 70 meters away from it

[heady rapids]

Sorry my bad, Flame main here

Mainly because so many people throw gas grenades so often that flame is the easiest to counter it (under tight circumstances)

[foggy ruin]

ah ok

there was just like 5 in my lobby

[compact tundra]

Indefinitely, it only disappears when you travel 70 meters way. Watch the distance number on top of where you threw it. Aslong as it's under 70 that things permanent

[heady rapids]

If you wanna counter Flame, it’s literally any other gun lmao

[modest lynx]

Headshot multipliers do wonders on Flamer Heavies

[heady rapids]

Ouh makes sense okay

[fossil stirrup]

data reshaper needs to destroy gateways

[compact tundra]

Nuh-uh

[fossil stirrup]

you can data reshape thrown grenades I think it's fair you can do it to open and closed gateways

[compact tundra]

No, it's a glitched item. Plus it's not an object it's a rift

Plus I don't want your grubby hands on my gateway

[umbral stone]

Y’all I’m getting tired of the winch claw. Maybe it’s a desync issue but there’s so many times I get pulled in by this thing when I felt like I should’ve been way out of range or behind cover. People called the stun gun a free kill button and I agree that shit was unfun to play against, but the winch claw is even worse in my opinion. Such a cheese spec the hit box is insanely generous and there’s so many times I’ve outplayed a heavy in every way and then they winch me and sa12 and I’m dead. Also as a heavy enjoyer from time to time it’s caused so many issues for heavy’s weapon balancing

[cerulean void]

Is the Cerberus shotgun a "bad" weapon? I guess I could be playing wrong, but I feel like it's super hard to get any kills-should I focus more on support with that weapon? Any tips?

[fossil stirrup]

yes and no

It's hard to use and relies on positioning a lot, kind of like the double barrel
I would prioritize staying with the team and doing chip damage over rushing in by yourself as you want to isolate 1v1's with it

but if you are able to flank and catch someone from surprise you can do a lot

[muted condor]

Lucky for you everyone agrees

[eager wasp]

if they use it while moving in a direction, lets say you are behind a barricade, they can manipulate its like, trajectory to then on its way back grab you, very annoying and stupid

[sharp vortex]

im assuming your getting lots of complaints about smoke and thermal vision

perhaps instead of nerfing smoke or thermal vision like their cooldowns, amount or duration….

instead of nerfing: add more ways to counter it…

make all explosions disperse smoke more easily.

give a visual or audio queue when someone is using thermal to enemy players

[weary moss]

guys how to counter riot shield, having hardtime as a light here

[mystic fog]

i have an idea, why not give heavy or medium, possibly leaning more in to medium, to give them a specialization that has decoys or holograms for plays or escapes

[mystic fog]

sword w/ dash works well, use pyros when u can

[weary moss]

what if im at double barrel loadout, cant switch to it

[mystic fog]

stick with goo to block them off, or just use both pyros and frags

[lucid rain]

Anyone have any tips for running the sledge and any recommended loadouts?

I'm having trouble closing the distance between enemies without loosing half my health.

[mystic fog]

if u want to be a great sledge player always run goo gun with the sledge

it gives u more mobility and helps close gaps

[hardy dust]

Winch is quite literally a worse stun. Stun was only a "free kill" against melee/bad players, which could be avoided with proper positioning and aim. With winch you're just fucked 😭

[hardy dust]

Its not great. Mediocre damage per mag and terrible range. It got overnerfed so its kinda bad rn, but still serviceable.

[hardy dust]

Riot cant really do anything if you just run away. If you have dash its basically impossible for them to hit you if you space yourself.

If you see a riot and one of their teammates, you can literally just ignore the riot and go for the teammate. With half decent spacing they shouldnt be an issue

[cerulean void]

Thanks, for the tips, I appreciate it

[cerulean void]

Thought so, thanks

[hardy dust]

In a 1v1 you can just chip them down and space yourself, if you're using db its a bit harder since riot is better against shotguns, but you can still slowly whittle at them. If you have dash then you can get more value from qm.

[hardy dust]

Playing around corners is strong since it has a good burst, but you really need to get up close to get real value from it. Also try to use a qm when you fight heavies especially since then you dont need to wait for the burn dot kill them

But yeah, its just not very good rn 😔

[cerulean void]

Hopefully it gets something in the future, it's a fun weapon, just not when everyone has better ones lol. Thanks for the tip, I'll try and use it

[hardy dust]

Good luck!

[finite agate]

is the famas having better ttk than the fcar on mediums and lights outdated info?

[feral ibex]

ok so, im sure we all can agree the demat is very strong and fun, and nerfing it probliy isnt the best way to fix how good it is with yoinking cashouts.

so i suggest an alterative idea,
how about if someone try's to demat a wall that the cashout is adjacent too, that insted of it instantly removing the wall, the wall blinks red like 3 times and makes a noise and if someone who owns the cashout clicks on the cashout the cashout does alil shock and prevents the wall from demating and they still lose the demat charge.

also u could do this with a glitch nade instead of needing to interact with the cashout, also the glitch nade could prevent the wall from being demated for like 10s.

[muted condor]

Have people never heard of fucking prox sensors?!

There’s literally a gadget in the game that counters this shot but no body wants to use it

[wide mantle]

Riot cant really do anything if you just run away. If you have dash its basically impossible for them to hit you if you space yourself.

[plucky spade]

can it be removed via glitch?

[plucky spade]

I hear you but thermal should have an indicator that its active

[plucky spade]

daggerbros i tried that shi out

y'all outta pocket saying it needs buffs

also once sh gets nerfed matter should as well

Why is matter pre nerf model but 10 times better

[errant pawn]

Why isnt there a 50. cal sniper for heavy?

i feel like it would be really cool

[fallow musk]

the light SR can already almost instakill a medium, fuck that

if a 350 health tank with a long range instakill rifle and a mesh shield domed me the second i left cover i'd just close the game

[errant pawn]

itcould be used as a gadget, since the 50 BMG is an anti material rifle

[fallow musk]

ok i can see that actually

does slightly less structure damage than an RPG, but at a longer range

[errant pawn]

yeah that could work

depending on how much damadge it does it could have a special feature where it does extra damage to turrets and similiar things

[fallow musk]

as i understand it embark's design philosophy's to avoid having multiple guns on classes where possible, so itd need to have a low shot count with lower player damage than the RPG, it specializing in taking out turrets at a longer range would be interesting tho

[errant pawn]

yeah i feel like it should have a low player damage multiplier, but a high structure damage up to maybe 75 meters

and a mesh shield counter

[fallow musk]

oh and on that note

there should really be a way to fix your damn turret somehow without having to pick it up and put it back down, maybe on a 5 second use time?

[errant pawn]

ooooooo

that sounds really cool

[lost vector]

I really hope embark adds more melee, like for medium they could add brass knuckles where the alt fire swings it like a meteor hammer, for heavy they could get a great axe or sword like a montante where the alt fire slashes downward doing massive damage at the cost of movement, for light they could get nunchucks

The nunchucks alt fire could have it parry melee attacks if hit, kinda like the dual blades alt fire

[wicked flint]

If they also add rais, we could have a teenage mutant ninja turtles team.

[lost vector]

Ya, but all we are missing is the staff

[lost vector]

Which could be for medium?

[wicked flint]

I'm counting the spear as a staff @lost vector

[wicked flint]

Or that you could h-infuse or healing beam it

[mellow bear]

bamboo spear boom

[dusk sleet]

Mage heavy skin with staff skin for spear

Its what we need

[cunning slate]

I think winch needs a rework to make it less skill dependent. I think letting you aim the damn thing would be a start.

[indigo nexus]

But, we can aim it now? What do you mean by this exactly?

[cunning slate]

Either you whip it out and have to press another button to shoot it put, you can hold the button down as long as you want, or their is an indicator on what you can winch when winch is ready.

[indigo nexus]

This seems like it would be worse on the user’s end than just waiting until your crosshair lines up to trigger the winch

The necessarily introduced response time delay by such a system could end up making aiming actively harder, when the user tries to deploy it immediately

Also, random weird idea. I wonder how many of the balance complaints about the winch claw would be solved if it pulled you towards the enemy rather than the other way around?

Its main concern, being able to almost guarantee a kill on an enemy player in many scenarios, would now be reversed in those scenarios

[cunning slate]

we could give it a "cone", if it doesn't already have that.

[compact tundra]

Yes, glitch is its only counter really

[shell sonnet]

i know glitch can close it prematurly, but what exactly happens?

does it close it for the glitch duration, then has it re-open the remaining time?
what happens to a single, non linked portal? does it disappear or just cant link?

[clever storm]

it cant close linked portals, just unlinked single ones
puts it on cooldown iirc

[compact tundra]

I don't know if it affects portals if they're active. But it removes single unopened portals, making glitch a good counter to gateway vault running

[shell sonnet]

actually, whats the order for reshaper props?
was glitch un-randomised?

[timid burrow]

Okay is Cerberus really that bad or am I just slow?

[compact tundra]

Cerb is good but use it like the double barrel, get close enough when you can see the sweat glisten off there ass crack and then shoot full meat shots

[compact tundra]

No clue, I don't really use reshaper but I guess spawning a glitch barrel also would counter gateway

[timid burrow]

Thank you, this helps a lot. I'm a newer contestant and I'm looking for something that fits me, the 12 gauge and the R.357 are probably my two favorite guns so far and I'm trying main med.

[silver minnow]

Embark you should swap the jumpad to a specialization and maybe make it a mega jumpad. It will give mediums the choice betweeen jumpad and demat, and would open up the inventory more so you can play other gadgets

[pearl axle]

I HATE BARREL MONKEYS!!!!!!!!

[feral ridge]

oh yea?

[pearl axle]

I apologise to the community of the hit game "THE FINALS" developed by Embark Studios.
What I wanted to formally convey to you today (that I did so previously in an aggressive and unprofessional manner) is that I display a major distain towards the "Light" class when the SH1900 Double Barrel Shotgun is equipped. The 13x15 damage from a single shot presents a problem to my enjoyment of the game and I believe it should be considered as a "busted and broken" weapon, and thus "nerfed" by the game studio Embark.

[obsidian nexus]

light class overtuned asf

[pearl axle]

I concur.

[compact tundra]

I hate double barrel, on one hand it's just a better sword and dagger, but on the other I fucking love using the double barrel. It's so fun and such high risk vs reward. I am eternally conflicted on that weapon

[restive plover]

heavy is so brainless

[compact tundra]

Not really

[muted condor]

[sudden pewter]

Moment

[hardy dust]

Every class can be played brainlessly and every class can be played well

[sudden pewter]

Nuh uh

[tawdry glen]

Heavy is absolutely not brainless. The player playing it is. Every class is hard to play in its own way

[compact tundra]

We don't want rational discussion. I Wanna see people go ape shit. Get out of here with your logic and reasoning

[tawdry glen]

Fair enough. Light player are fucking stupid with their double barrel that can two shot every mfing class

[compact tundra]

There we go. Sword is op and needs the buff reverted. Keep clamping and go back akc to the nerf damage

Actual wait what am I doing. I know how to rile this server

[tawdry glen]

No but lets be real for a sec how in the world can I get caught from behind by a sword player even though I play M60? I mean okay it’s very good but it does way too much damage for a sword

[raw cave]

i think that medium is not hard to play, it was designed to be easier in terms of game knowledge

[tawdry glen]

Yeah it’s probably the easiest one. You place your turrets and there’s a good chance you can take a few kills

[paper plaza]

Would it be crazy to reduce Data Reshaper by 5 seconds

[tawdry glen]

Honestly it’s not enough in the meta because it’s actually really good

[compact tundra]

I think it be really fun if heavy had a .50 cal sniper that can pierce walls. Should one shot all classes on head but maybe give it like a .8 sec reload per bullet to balance it. Also I think the spear should be throwable. Maybe we could make the reload button throw the spear so it now has some range

[tawdry glen]

Buffing it won’t get it in the meta I believe

[paper plaza]

I want my 3 charges back

[compact tundra]

I know it's dumb that sword can beat my gun at close range

[tawdry glen]

We actually need a .50 cal. It would need to be somewhat good in close range because heavy is literally a close range class

[paper plaza]

I dare you to play Goo heavy

[raw cave]

Embark made data reshaper weird. It needs to reshape lockbolts and turrets with 5 buissiness days cooldown, and at the same time mines and motion sensors, which have almost no cooldown

its not fast enough to constantly reshape mines and too fast to reshape Terry and Chuck

[paper plaza]

Imagine turning a corner and seeing this 3ft barrel swing into your face, a flash, and then youre just coins

[tawdry glen]

Sounds kinda fun. But it would need a lot of rework to make it perfect for heavy I think

[compact tundra]

Wait your memeing right

[tawdry glen]

Like embark doesn’t want the heavy to camp. I don’t too

[compact tundra]

I mean it would be fun but there's no way to balance a sniper on heavy

[tawdry glen]

Nothings impossible. But I think that there are other weapons that are interesting to add that are easier to balance

[autumn creek]

Chat can I propsurf still?

[autumn creek]

Hilarious concept by the way

[compact tundra]

They can barely figure out the balance for a stick that lets you lunge and poke. A sniper on the one class that is built to suffer at range would fuck heavies whole balance. If they can barely work KS-23 into a good spot I have no hope for a .50

[tawdry glen]

We were thinking about a .50 cal but yeah it’s hard to balance

[stone linden]

I believe in light supremacy, I'm not talking about is OP over other classes, but light players got every gadget and weapon to every situation and distance. Also I think light class is the most hardly to dominate

[tawdry glen]

Yeah and KS is already pretty good at this for mid-long range

[autumn creek]

Yeah definitely, maybe if they had like a one shot anti-material as a gadget? But I really think that it would genuinely be a nightmare to even have heavy running around with two shot marksman rifles 😭

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

[tawdry glen]

Yeah light is really being milked by embark ngl

[muted condor]

TO THE PIT WITH YOU

[tawdry glen]

Yeah I agree it would be too overpowered for a good player

[autumn creek]

🙏

[tawdry glen]

Like imagine just climbing up stairs and then you see a gigantic sniper aiming at you and half a second later you’re a pile of coins on the ground

[compact tundra]

I mean that's funny but not fun

[tawdry glen]

Funny for the shooter

[muted condor]

I’m going to hurt the next person that suggests a .50 cal for heavy

[sudden pewter]

The hyenas aren’t enough, Embark rend his flesh asunder so the soul can wallow in the afterdark

[compact tundra]

I mean to be fair half the time I'm on this game I'm stoned as shit. So if I just walked up stairs and got popped like a fuckign blueberry I'd probably laugh

[tawdry glen]

Shakespeare shocked by this statement

[stone linden]

The reason why Embark still buff Light class is because the most hardly class to dominate is the first option for new players or casual players, they saw reels and Tik Toks of a Top 500 doing a Team Wipe with Light or just likes the speed and time to kill. Obviously The Finals need more than only shoot and run, so that argument about 33/33/33 % of victory is something impossible because that's only the balance theory

[shell sonnet]

ok, rq
in head 2 head, first cashout winner takes it all in case of a tie
so, youre up 25:25, taking the box and running for the hills to stall
valid strategy? or should it be disallowed?

[sudden pewter]

English please

[stone linden]

Sorry if my English is not so god, I write so low haha

[sudden pewter]

Vile yellow role, excuse yourself from the kitchen posthence

Thine cooking days are spent

[tawdry glen]

ok you lost me there

[muted condor]

You lack mental fortitude

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075151392014073957/1410564510523064422/IMG_4039.gif

[tawdry glen]

https://tenor.com/view/lackoffaith-disturbing-darthvader-starwars-gif-4883104

Oh yeah server rules about gif

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-emdeb-fail-failure-cat-gif-16703817715131368982

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-25368312

“Server rules” nah you gotta earn the right for embeds

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/automaton-helldivers-2-gif-10029111393682674327

[tawdry glen]

Everybody want to be my enemyyyy🎵

[sudden pewter]

Yap and hate lights. That’s all you gotta do

[tawdry glen]

Sounds about right

[sudden pewter]

If you don’t hate lights already you will in time

[muted condor]

Doesn’t mater who’s team they are on you hate them

[tawdry glen]

Im a light player because I like gameplay but i don’t play db. I play mostly arn or v9s

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-gif-5080568167377406268

[tawdry glen]

Ik shame on me

[sudden pewter]

Unclean

[tawdry glen]

Yeah but I play the class since I started playing and now it’s kinda like a part of me yk

[sudden pewter]

You chose wrong. You will reincarnate as an oyster for your crimes.

[compact tundra]

Do you think the light is over buffed or in a good spot right now. I've worked with people with poor English before so I can probably fix your message as long as I know the intention

[sudden pewter]

𓀞 𓀟𓀅
𓁆𓀣 𓁏𓁀
Curse of Ra

[tawdry glen]

NOOOOO

[stone linden]

Yes!

[sudden pewter]

Your ARN will turn to sand

[tawdry glen]

Jk I play LH1

[muted condor]

Hot take but medium is the most over-tuned but boring class

[sudden pewter]

I can’t think of anything overtuned on Medium since the Cerberus nerf

Please elaborate

[tawdry glen]

Honestly it lacks good weapons but like demat is a good spec. Mines are nice but the fun stuff like data reshaped sucks unfortunately

[muted condor]

Demat, pike, jump pad, defib, goo grenade. It’s the most stale fucking load out ever but all you see these days

It’s dryer than fucking month old wheat bread to play as and against

[tawdry glen]

Jump pad is mid. Pike is boring. Only « Fun » weapon is the revolver

[muted condor]

All the fun medium weapons are ass

[plucky spade]

huh

[muted condor]

That’s why I think it’s a boring class now

[tawdry glen]

Unless you play it like a GOD and even then you’re gonna get jumped by a db player

[sudden pewter]

Goo Grenade is universal and the mobilities are too valuable to not bring

I’m ambivalent to the existence of the Pike because I only use Model/FCAR/Revolver

[muted condor]

Dual blades, revolver, and model are all super fun but you’ll never see them

[tawdry glen]

Yeah but mobilities are not necessary. The only valid reason to use medium is because demat exist ngl

[tawdry glen]

Duel blade is starting to get me so fucking enraged sometimes ngl

[muted condor]

The goo grenade isn’t over powered but I think it’s become to versatile

[tawdry glen]

Goo Grenade is really good for light honestly

[muted condor]

I love them so much but they are objectively the worst weapon in the game currently

Have been since they came out

[sudden pewter]

Mobilities are a must have if Heavy on team

[tawdry glen]

I strongly disagree. Dual blades are kinda hard to beat if you have nothing except your bullet guns

[tawdry glen]

Yeah but everybody play 😞

[muted condor]

You can literally walk away from a duel blades user

[shell sonnet]

does spear hitreg only turn bad near goo, or barricades too?

[muted condor]

There’s nothing they can do about that it’s actually really funny

[muted condor]

It’s really bad near goo but will do it with any vertical surface area

[tawdry glen]

Spear + lockbolt is genuinely underrated

[muted condor]

Unjust don’t you say anything about the spear

Back you filthy demon

[tawdry glen]

No but spear is good. Maybe not in high elo honestly but in casual catching a db player with lockbolt and whipping his ass is pure magic to my eyes

[muted condor]

It’s good but Unjust wants the spear throw added

[tawdry glen]

It would be a good concept. As long as it doesn’t get too over powered it would be a fun mechanic

[shell sonnet]

idrc as long as i keep my funny spin
(but hitreg absolutely needs to be fixed)

[muted condor]

No

https://tenor.com/view/punch-blue-hoodie-beat-up-gif-15435775

[tawdry glen]

Tf you mean no. What’s not fun

[muted condor]

It’s just a horrible idea over all

[tawdry glen]

The only problem is that it would completely ruin the point of a melee weapon. You’re right it would suck

[muted condor]

Spear is already really good and would need a full rework to add that and have to go through balancing hell for something that would ether be completely busted or never used

[shell sonnet]

that i can agree with tho
it doesnt really need development hell

[muted condor]

A melee and ranged hybrid weapon could be cool if they made an entirely new weapon based around that from the beginning

[compact tundra]

I think I can tell what he's saying. I've worked with a lot of people with poor English before

The reason why embark is still buffing light is because it's the easiest class for new players to start with. It's not op or above the other classes but it has answers to every situation and is the hardest to be dominated. So many People play light because they see reels and tik toks of rubies wiping teams with light or just like the fast run for gun playstyle but it isn't completely unbalanced. achieving an even play and win rate (33%/33%/33%) is only a balancing fantasy because one class will always have a more widely appealing playstyle.

[tawdry glen]

Yeah i propose like a flail that would have the same range as the spear or close to

[muted condor]

All the spear needs right now is for spin cancel to become an actual feature and the hit reg problems to be fixed

[tawdry glen]

Yeah spin cancel is absolutely necessary rn it’s unplayable

[muted condor]

You can spin cancel right now but it’s super jank

[tawdry glen]

Oh yeah? How?

[muted condor]

Do an emot of gesture

[compact tundra]

Pull up your emote wheel without emoting

[muted condor]

It stops the spin but you can’t sprint or attack for second but you can pull out gadgets and qm

[tawdry glen]

Yeah my emote wheel bind sucks so ima stick to hit the air for a few sec

[compact tundra]

I think You can negate the no sprint with a sprint queue slide/B-Hop

[obsidian nexus]

light class does too much

[muted condor]

It should just be holding the button makes you spin until you let go then it stops

[tawdry glen]

Yeah like every move is separate you don’t need to press once to activate the whole 3 hit combo

[muted condor]

Exactly

[dire thistle]

Why is the Shak-50 considered meta over the M60?
The difference in TTK is miniscule (according to the wiki), and it has -50 bullets and a lower range.

[muted condor]

IMO opinion it’s not that light does to much it just has way more viable options. Medium has been forced into a boring meta while light has 4 different load outs that are viable in high ranks

[compact tundra]

I mean it's not like I wanna take away the spin. Just add a throw on top for making pesky roof campers fuck off

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

That’s what rpg and winch are for

[compact tundra]

But like I'm tired of them being must picks, it's gay

[muted condor]

Tbf winch is just a must pick for heavy right now and everyone hates it

Iv actually stopped taking winch in preparation for its nerf so im not dependent

[compact tundra]

I agree, especially since skul genuinely opened my eyes to how fun mesh is. I used to like only pick goo but now I got mesh on every heavy loadout

[tawdry glen]

I feel like winch is even less used than goo gun rn

[compact tundra]

No, it is THE comp heavy pick

[tawdry glen]

Oh yeah? Idk im not high elo

[muted condor]

It’s probably the most broken item in the game right now

[shell sonnet]

i did actually see a goo gun this week
but that still doesnt compare to the 58 different winch heavies i saw today alone /hj

[compact tundra]

I'm surprised goo isn't used more since it hard counters winch

[muted condor]

A sad truth

[tawdry glen]

I feel like in the last week I’ve seen more goo than winch

[muted condor]

I like you but fuck you goo users

As a spear main I despise your existence

[shell sonnet]

i actually saw like 3-4 people back to back in a few matches

first as teammate
then as teammate again
then as enemy

[tawdry glen]

Okay that is fucking racist I don’t want anybody’s opinion

[compact tundra]

I genuinely practice my goo flamethrower just for the one in a million chance I catch your ass in quick play one day

[muted condor]

Woop KABOOM

[shell sonnet]

:(

[tawdry glen]

W sound effect

[muted condor]

I hate you but I respect it

[tawdry glen]

Yo im a rising star now lmao

[shell sonnet]

thx for reminding me actually, i wanted to practise goo super-jumps to terrorize casual

[tawdry glen]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-button-lizard-tom-the-lizard-pixar-gif-17194109322617058326

Still can’t post fucking gif embark come on

[compact tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-no-no-embed-megamind-megamind-meme-gif-25261934

[tawdry glen]

SYFM😭

[muted condor]

It’s such a dumb strategy but is so fucking funny every time

[tawdry glen]

Wait ima try that tonight it looks so fun

[compact tundra]

I am definitely trying that tonight

[muted condor]

Here’s the set up

[compact tundra]

Jinx, now you gotta send me your feet picks. It's the law of the west

[tawdry glen]

How many mines?

[muted condor]

Two pyro and a c4

Put the c4 on top of the mines not under them or it won’t leave the fire on the ground
It also won’t one shot a heavy instantly but they will burn

[tawdry glen]

Yeah and you can just get your weapon and finish him

[muted condor]

Exactly

Also it only works once per round before people realize what you’re doing but it’s worth it

[tawdry glen]

Just for the fun of seeing them cry their poor existence while burning in the fire of hell😈

[shell sonnet]

also, make sure the c4 isnt exactly on top of the mines
if you put them right on top, explosive mines wont go off automaticall (now testing pyro mines)

might still work with pyro

explosive mines are all kinds of weird

[tawdry glen]

Okay so you take the C4 and then put pyro on top?

[shell sonnet]

no, that makes the pyro mines not leave fire
just place the c4 slightly next to the mines imo

i cant replicate the "wont explode bug(?)" on explosive mines
but might as well since it has no negatives

[tawdry glen]

Not too far i suppose cause the C4 needs to explode

[shell sonnet]

yeah

[dire thistle]

Why is the Shak-50 considered meta over the M60?
The difference in TTK is miniscule (according to the wiki), and it has -50 bullets and a lower range.

[compact tundra]

The recoil is way better and it's far easier to hit head shots. Solar has a graph but the shaks ttk is better at close range I think

[tawdry glen]

Honestly not all people think that Shak is better than M60. Personally I prefer shak because recoil is really good and damage are very good in the head

[spice cargo]

any other sword mains try out grapple instead of dash? I had a lot of success for two games, and straight inted on one of them

[compact tundra]

With new super lunge it's honestly not bad. You can replace most of the dashes uses with well timed super lunges and keep the grapple for it's utility

[spice cargo]

I think it could be strong on maps like Kyoto to get flank angles or for a quick escape when there isn't any cover close by. also being able to spam left click while grappling lets you kill other dash-lights regardless if they have sight on u first or not

[spice cargo]

you mean dash jumping not superlunging right? cause yeah I just dash jump pretty much everywhere and slide cancel after for rotations, even with dash. then I just use dash in combat. not having dash in combat feels ass tho. that's my only complaint

[compact tundra]

When you play in higher elo lobbies the dash lights have an advantage if they see you first and can basically force a retreat. But if you see them first you need to bait out their dashes before grappling in. Unless you have really good grapple control

[compact tundra]

No I mean super lunging. You can kinda replace dash with super lunging

[spice cargo]

isnt super lunge just lunge + dash?

[compact tundra]

Super dashing is when you mix dash with a super lunge to get a lot of distance. Super lunging is when you jump at the end of a lunge to get more distance

Super lunge = lunge + jump
Super dash = super lunge + dash

[spice cargo]

okay gotcha, I was calling superlunging lunge jumping. I feel like we could have picked better names lolol

[spice cargo]

oh for sure it still at disadvantage if they have LOS on you first, but you have way more of a window with one "giant dash" essentially than having them just match ur dashing

[compact tundra]

I like the terms I use, they convey what's happening well if you know them
Super lunge is a tech lunge
Super dash is tech lunge + dash

[spice cargo]

what rank are you out of curiosity? I haven't met many high elo sword mains, but it's my first season playing

[compact tundra]

I'm only gold one but I only played ranked for about 3 weeks and had an awful losing streak that fucked my rank

[spice cargo]

I'm mid plat and haven't hit the hard wall yet. definitely not dropping 20 bombs in a round anymore lol

[compact tundra]

I made the mistake of starting to climb with 30 days left in the season so I'm getting butt fucked by smurfs and last minute grinders

[spice cargo]

I think 30 days is fine, but this last week is gonna be brutal... I've had 3 Rubys in my games so far

[compact tundra]

Also I'm basically only solo queue because my team i like to play with doesn't play the finals often and my 1 comp level friend lives in Korea so the desync is ass

[spice cargo]

I feel like I can play sword all the way up into like a mid diamond team, but after that I get just dog walked

[compact tundra]

Na I hate facing reality. I could easily be Ruby if I had a team. My ego is in-containable

Being real tho I'm probably a higher plat or low diamond skill level

[umbral stone]

You never use this discord to play with other people?

[compact tundra]

That's how I found the team I like but they don't play often

[umbral stone]

Ah fair enough. Idk if it’s just me but the people I’ve been playing with on this discord lately have been way more toxic than they used to be and it’s made me play a lot more solo

[spice cargo]

you're the skill level (roughly) of the opponents ur matched against at least, if ur win rate is positive. hard to tell anything beyond that haha. I was just saying from experience I've probably been shit on by almost every d2-d1 team I've faced, solo or with team. d4-3 seems to be fine and winnable

[spice cargo]

toxic in discord is crazy

[compact tundra]

They were a mean riot shield and a nasty deagle, + me switching between my heavy and light. Very fun team to play with.

[umbral stone]

I joined the discord in season 4 and 9 times out of 10 it was a fun time. Now I feel like half the times I party up at least one teammate gets pissy and takes it way too serious. I only play world tour btw

[umbral stone]

That does sound fun. I need a good team to run with

[compact tundra]

Losers mad about a game mode where you can't lose rank

[spice cargo]

taking it serious is good, being an asshole is not. also raging in wt is crazy

that's the mode we play after an edible lmao

[compact tundra]

Literally what I do on a near nightly basis

[umbral stone]

Yea maybe I’m just in the minority but when I’m playing wt I’m trying to have a good time. Yea I’d like to win, but I’m not gonna be getting on my teammates about team comp or not running the meta or being an asshole when we lose

[compact tundra]

I Pop an Eddie and run SA-12 mesh heavy. If I'm too high to aim the flame thrower comes oubt

[umbral stone]

And true wt is edible mode

[compact tundra]

Pop an eddie and queue into an almost all light game. The KS-23 will never feel better

[spice cargo]

I feel like this game is sweaty in general tho compared to other FPSs, even in casual modes. my wife loves to play fortnite and the cosmetics in this game almost brought her over, but ts is too hard

might just put her on CL40 and tell her to send it

[compact tundra]

Teach her mesh flame heavy. It's far easier, has good movement for a heavy build, and let's you just 1v1 bitches. Plus has good 3v1 capabilities and a free getaway if you good with dome. The biggest thing she'll need to learn is situational awareness, it's much more required in this game than others. Probably don't play ranked with her tho, through her in some quick play for a while just to goof off. Maybe even show her sledge, that shit is fun for casual

I've also found for some reason women tend to like the riot shield, show her how to sideways run and let her go ham in like tdm or quick cash. Promise she'll probably enjoy it. I don't know why I've just seen a trend of girls playing flamethrower and riot shield

[spice cargo]

I have ethical obligation to not put another riot shield shitter into this game

[umbral stone]

I get that. I’m kinda feeling like the finals might be my last fps game. I only gave time to invest myself in one shooter and I’ve picked the finals. I don’t have the time to bounce around between all the popular fps titles and learn all their mechanics. I’d just get crushed and not have a fun time, so I kinda get why people are reluctant to try out a new shooter like the finals. It’s a big time commitment because everyone is so damn good at gaming now

[sudden pewter]

Appreciated

[spice cargo]

also now would prob be a good time for her to try it cause head to head is the best new player mode imo

[compact tundra]

Yea bro try it. Flame heavy if you hate riot shield for some reason

[umbral stone]

What do we think is the next weapon that’s gonna get gutted? I’m not talking little nerf, I’m talking like the initial sword nerf level gutted

[compact tundra]

I actually think sword again. I think they might get scared by how easy super lunging is now. But if we're talking new id say the contenders are
SA-12
Double barrel
Pike
Spear
93r maybe

[umbral stone]

I’d be so sad if they nerfed another melee weapon into the ground. I could definitely see them coming for the double barrel tho, I just don’t know what they’d do to it.

[compact tundra]

Nerf it to 110 damage but not buff the reload enough

[spice cargo]

better be double barrel

[compact tundra]

Wimp

[umbral stone]

I feel like the double barrel is in a tough spot when it comes to a nerf. Nerfing the damage so you can’t 1 shot a light would make it pretty bad. At the matter can 2 tap a light and be way more forgiving. But I’m not sure what else they could do to it

110 damage I think would also make it the only weapon in the game that couldn’t kill a medium without having to reload half way through

[compact tundra]

I feel like both should get a damage nerf and the DB shoukd get like a .8 sec reload. The matter would be fine if it 3 taps lights if they buff the fire rate and maybe reload a bit

[spice cargo]

all I'm saying .. as a sword player.. why do I have to do a fuckin backflip on my keyboard to 1 shot a light and that shit can left click once and as long as the crosshair tickles a leg hair I go straight to hell

[compact tundra]

See as a sword i'm very conflicted. On one hand I HATE the double barrel. But on the other i love playing it. My opinion literally changes depending on what I'm playing

[umbral stone]

Yea I think a rework would definitely need to happen like improving the reload speed or something if they were gonna nerf it

[restive plover]

What you guys think we need more weapons,gadgets,or specializations

[compact tundra]

110 with a .8-1sec reload would work for double barrel
70 with an increased fire rate and probably a faster reload would work for the matter. Or maybe give the matter the arn reload mechanic

[compact tundra]

Specs easy

[umbral stone]

Honestly, if I had my way they’d just spend a season rebalancing all the gadgets we already have and I’d be happy. There’s gadgets for each class that are must picks, and have been since their release, if you wanna be at all competitive and I hate that. I don’t want to feel like I’m throwing if I don’t have defib and jump pad equipped on medium. That only leaves me 1 gadget to play around with, and some just plain suck compared to others. I want more gadget variety in this game, I’m getting tired of fighting the same ones on every class every game

[umbral stone]

Also agreed, if I had to pick one then specs. I just think as much as we talk about weapons balance wise, gadgets are by far in a worse spot and it’s getting stale

[compact tundra]

I think that's the plan for season 8. But I think they are focusing on weapons rather than gadgets

[umbral stone]

Yea I just feel like everyone focuses on weapons and gadgets kinda get pushed aside. The weapon meta changes pretty often, when’s the last time a change to a gadget made it meta

[compact tundra]

I think they need to go down the line of importance. Balance the specs, then the weapons, then the gadgets. I get this means will have mostly the same gadget meta for a while but they need to balance in accordance to importance to the build

[umbral stone]

I’d agree with that. I guess maybe I just think I’d rather have them devote a season to really nailing down the balance for everything we already have in the game before adding more new stuff. There’s so many things in this game I’ve almost never played with because there’s just better options, I think that’s why I thought of gadgets

[umbral stone]

But yea if they could get the specs in a better spot that would be a great start

[restive plover]

I agree with buffing gadgets, but Im not sure how they can buff other gadgets tho

[feral pivot]

What y'all think about cloaking + shotgun

[restive plover]

I'll look at the gadgets when I get back from work and give my ideas

[compact tundra]

My logic is what shakes up metas more.
Specs are the highest on that list so they need to be balanced first. Then guns are next for meta dominance. And lastly gadgets. Specs change everything, weapons change fights, and gadgets change counter play. Logisticly gadgets of handled right will be the least destructive to the meta and we need specs and weapons ironed out first before we can balance there counter play.

[compact tundra]

Funny but you're countered by a good monitor

[shell sonnet]

Consider: defib

[compact tundra]

That thing should honestly be a spec

It's a rare exception where it counters the game itself rather than anything in particular

[shell sonnet]

Fair thought
But old defib as spec would still suck to fight
It increases the cost, but doesnt actually help with the brain cells you loose fighting it
Idk how to properly balance it, tho there are ideas floating around

[compact tundra]

Honestly it might need to be a spec. It literally counters the games respawn mechanics rather than being a situational tool like the other gadgets

I honestly think turret might could swap with defibs

[shell sonnet]

Yeah...
I keep getting clips of a medium defibbing someone, where any other form of revive wouldve taken so long i can steal, or allowed me to take advantage of the risk they are taking to finish the fight right then and there

A rework might be needed

[shell sonnet]

Lower turret hp maybe and sounds good

Still wondering if making defib a true respawn, but at a coin spot, would be balanced

Gotta wait for them to get back to finish the fight
But avoids wipes

And since lights are faster, it would help them most

• no griefing in tdm

Well, beyond denying people their item swaps

[compact tundra]

My idea for keeping turret a spec would be

• Increase the turn speed a little bit
• Make it track people 360° but keep the current gun movement so it'll take longer to lock onto you if you approach of from behind
• When it shoots someone they get pinged for 3 sec
• It heals allies the same way the heal ball for heavy does. But instead of actually healing them it just starts there natural Regen

So now it's a good recon and retreat option that gives some team support. You can place it to cover flanks or place it in an adjacent room as a retreat spot. Or use it to hunker down on the point but it's high ttk and low healing make it not to oppressive

[shell sonnet]

Does too any different things imo
It shouldnt really do that

[compact tundra]

To be honest its a spec and competes with dematty which is honestly in an ok spot. Giving it more variety is what it would need

[shell sonnet]

It would make it better, which it needs
But it doesnt need to be made better this way

[compact tundra]

It's always gonna be boxed out if it's not versatile enough unless it's too powerful

I think lack of versatility will always make it weak unless it's too good. And I think lights should be able to play the game against mediums

Tho instead of healing I actually think it should just start the players natural Regen instead. Proper Healing would be too good if stacked

[spark igloo]

@slow plank https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1107167645389832232/1405844487124680734/292A3C2D-1853-477B-B308-DD15D9807D8D.mov?ex=68b4bd75&is=68b36bf5&hm=fe607272b97576be165207f17ad498ac0828419c817e5afabc6191bc025a2600& your boy sigkill is cheating

[fleet imp]

[slender robin]

You know that was a joke response right, that has nothing to do with me

I’m legit, embark knows, so many people have tried to get me banned for that but I’ve never been banned.

[fleet imp]

Guys I have a xim device but it was a joke :/

[spark igloo]

you got the whole room laughing bro

still waiting on the room tour

[slender robin]

I can literally go live while playing bro, I have no reason to lie

I’ll show my hands and everything

[spark igloo]

waiting on the room tour

[stone sundial]

The gate way doesn't have any skins can we make one thst has 2 black holes that you hold

Idk if this is the right discord room for this suggestion tho

[normal ice]

If you want a PvP FPS that's actually casual and has a reasonable skill floor unlike The Finals, I kindly suggest giving TF2 a go. There's a little technical setup because it's old, but it's still gold.

[warped lagoon]

yo best weapons for heavy, currently. anyone high rank? I am fairly new to the game.

[daring talon]

shak winch free kills

[warped lagoon]

cool

is there any currently place i can check the meta?

[spark igloo]

something along the lines of winch sa12 dome rpg c4, demat pike goo jumppad defib, dash 93r glitchnade gateway heal infuser

[spark igloo]

for someone who claims to be so innocent they dont seem very keen on defending themself

funny how that works

[spice cargo]

oh dont worry, i'm old now and definitely clocked my hours on that one haha. i personally enjoy sweating.. i treat comp games like an intermural sport and just focus on improving. some (a lot) people don't want gaming to fill that role, however. makes it hard to recommend to certain people

[compact tundra]

I flip floo in-between. I love getting better but some nights I just pop a gummies and queue quick cash with the model

Or try to sweat my ass off with the SA-12 but fail due to being too high to aim or manage my mesh

[spice cargo]

i have other games for chilling usually, but i get in a certain mode for weeks/months at a time

once i get within the top like.... 5-2.5% of a playerbase i usually lose steam though. i don't have time to make it a full time job and get like really good

[compact tundra]

Na I like the finals a lot and wish they'd let my baby work again so I can really have fun again. Grinding with sword now feels so stale without combos and I run heavy half the time now

[spice cargo]

honestly, and this may be because i didn't play much of the pre-nerfed sword, i didn't mind the nerfed sword or the current sword lol. it could def use a 90 degree clamp at least tho

if i miss, i just commit to the angle and dash around a corner, or swap to goo and flick 180 + right click

[compact tundra]

I want clamp gone all together. Even in current state if we traded clamp for multi hit it'd be so much more fun

[spice cargo]

yea but now i feel like with the buffed m1, multihit on m2 isn't even good

[compact tundra]

If they Give me a sensitivity lock then that's fine but clamp is as and I intuitive, which is a word they love

The clamp doesn't even effect M1

[spice cargo]

mainly cause u can't hit multiple targets without dragging tho, i suppose

[spice cargo]

im just saying that u get more DPS spamming m1 on a group now than trying to line up a m2 multihit over and over

[compact tundra]

The clamp doesn't even really need the M1 and most current sword combos aren't immediately rewarding for following a M2 with M1

L= secondary fire/lunge
S= primary fire/swing
QM= quick Melee
TD= tracking dart

Current Combos

Light
L + QM
S + S

Medium
L + QM + L
L + QM + S + QM
L + QM + S + TD
S + QM + S + QM
S + S + S

Heavy
L + L + L
L + QM + S + QM + S
S + S + S + S
S + QM + S + QM + S + QM
S + QM + S + QM + S + TD + TD

[weary moss]

should i main dual blades or riot

[kind pumice]

I'm so sick of DB holy

[quartz crane]

riot is stronger, so go for dual blades

[compact tundra]

Riots just better, but dual blades are way way higher on the sick list

[muted condor]

Dual blades are the worst Weapon so go riot

[plush harbor]

lol

[plush harbor]

idk if I were him I’d buy a xim and show it off for the room tour to flex how much money I had

[left sage]

I know dual blades suck but man are they annoying to fight as heavy

Just run? With these cheeks?

[muted condor]

Mini gun is literally the only weapon that dual blades are good against

[left sage]

Guess what I main

[muted condor]

Ha

[gaunt stream]

Is pike good? Been running FAMAS recently. Also open to suggestions for better guns for medium or lights

[left sage]

Very

[muted condor]

Hopefully not for long 🙏

Praying on its downfall next season

[left sage]

What do y'all think they should buff on the MGL32?

[solemn delta]

whats meta for lights rn

[muted condor]

Make it explode on contact with enemies but with reduced damage

[left sage]

Only enemies would at least make it a skill shot

[plush harbor]

Best weapon in the game

[plush harbor]

93r ARN M26 matter

[gaunt stream]

I feel like the dmg drop off is a little weird or ig my aim sucks

[restive plover]

Good point spear is ass you should be able to throw it at ppl, mgl rework is needed, dual swords need a little more love. I think this is true but we have a lot of gadgets that also sucks.

Tracking dart, breach charge, thermal bore, null, breach drill, data reshaper explosive mine, pyro grenade and gas grenade.

[tawdry glen]

I think M11 is more meta than ARN

[sonic goblet]

What is heavy meta rn?

[nimble ore]

dual swords are ridiculously strong against anything that isnt flames or explosive

[timber sparrow]

Winch with sa12 or shak50

[sonic goblet]

ty

[timber sparrow]

Np

[timber sparrow]

The epic turtle of protection

[left sage]

Where's the KABOOM???

[tawdry glen]

You genuinely play RPG🙏

[sonic goblet]

In reserve with lockbolt

[left sage]

RPG is love, or at least c4

[tawdry glen]

Honestly since the nerf it’s really worst but hey everybody got different playstyle

[left sage]

Still used in competitive isn't it?

[violet solar]

RPG is love, when there’s a pesky light that’s taken pretty much any amount of dmg rpg is the answer

[foggy sail]

spear would be such a fire weapon if you could sparta throw it instead of this breakdancing bs ❤️

[foggy sail]

preach that shit 🙏

[violet solar]

He gets it

[muted condor]

God I just read of the chat and am about to have an aneurysm

[muted condor]

No, the spin is amazing and a throw is dumb

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

I swear Embark is going to rework my favorite weapon do to these dunces that have played it two times and have zero game knowledge

[foggy sail]

ts is such a horrible take, nobody likes the spin

i've played a pretty decent amnt of spear and almost heavy exclusively, the spin is so inconsistent and horrible

[hardy dust]

Arn is 2nd best after 93r

[hardy dust]

They're one of the worst weapons in the game

[swift cradle]

They should delete mgl so no one can ever use it again ngl...

[foggy sail]

preach yo shit twin 🙏

[violet solar]

Sorry I tend to have that affect on people

[muted condor]

Talk to literally any spear user above silver, the spin is fine. It’s the hit detection that hurts it

Asking for a spear throw is the most sub gold take in the game and just means you don’t understand the weapon at all

[foggy sail]

holy ad hominem, the spear is fine rn, it’s nothing special, the reason people want a throw is because that would make it a genuinely fun and new weapon rather than the melee slop that’s in the game rn

and tf does the dance do that a throw wouldn’t? how would “not having an understanding of the weapons at all” change the take of replacing the m2 w a throw? does it change that the m2 is incredibly situational? that you’re better off m1 spamming? i honestly think i’d put more time into spear if it had a throw or was at all more interesting

[muted condor]

Yeah straight copper player

“Let’s send a perfectly good weapon through rework and balancing hell with an ability that will be completely dog shit because I don’t know how to properly play the weapon”

[foggy sail]

you know your argument is ass cause you haven’t brought up a single point WHY it shouldn’t be changed, instead you js want to act like i don’t know what im talking abt, you’re prob plat or smth and think you’re the shit

• the finals is known for innovation and you’re against the idea of giving a melee weapon a ranged option, which would be the first of its kind, which would be fire
• spears throughout history are known for being THROWN
• you are prob a quick cash warrior where everyone is huddled in groups so you love to mash m2 and pray

[muted condor]

Because spin is perfectly fine there’s literally nothing else to say

[foggy sail]

it’s really not tho, it’s situational and boring at best

[muted condor]

It’s a perfectly good secondary fire that is extremely useful when used correctly

[muted condor]

A throw would be even more boring and just be hell to balance in every way

[foggy sail]

you’re either stuck in the animation, or anim cancel and get stuck to walking for a few seconds

[muted condor]

Don’t be spinning in a situation that it would be you getting trapped dumb ass

[foggy sail]

you have a very limited imagination then, the possibilities with a throw would be so cool

[muted condor]

It would ether make it completely ranged with zero reason to melee or completely pointless to throw

[foggy sail]

give me one situation where spinning is better than m1ing?

[muted condor]

Anyone who wants a throw has zero knowledge of the weapon or its purpose

[foggy sail]

so a light who just double dashed away and you can’t get the last hit off? or a medium who jump padded?? maybe a heavy who charge n slammed to get away from you?

[muted condor]

Catching multiple enemies at once and pre firing corners

[muted condor]

If you need a throw to confirm the kill you fucked up

[foggy sail]

oh yes because any half decent player won’t just run outside of its radius and shoot (you’re animation locked btw)

[muted condor]

A half decent player won’t let them

[foggy sail]

so then you’re the 100% kill master w spear?? let me see one game where you got absolutely every kill without one person dashing away from you?

[muted condor]

I’m just sick of people like you with absolutely skill issues trying to change perfectly good weapons because you don’t want to spend 20 minutes learning

[foggy sail]

your arguments on why not to change it are nonexistent, you’re js upset that you’d have to learn something new

[muted condor]

Nice goal post move try better next time

[foggy sail]

give me a single GOOD reason the spear m2 should stay and i’ll hear you out

[muted condor]

Because it’s a very useful ability that the weapon was built around and has multiple uses

If you don’t know why it’s useful or it’s used you’re only proving my point

[foggy sail]

what an absolute nothing answer

[muted condor]

Womp womp

Oh hey I green now sick

[foggy sail]

i’m gonna assume you’re js ragebaiting since you can’t give me a good argument

quick cash demons at it again giving awful takes on the finals

💔

[muted condor]

Classic deflection

Bro knows he doesn’t know shit about the spear

[foggy sail]

it’s js all ad hominems w you

not a single real reason

i’m even willing to hear you out but you just can’t give me anything cause you KNOW that the throw is better, so instead of admitting you’re wrong you have to dickride me

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-gojo-yellow-role-gif-2475892790391981505

[foggy sail]

“i can’t win i have to use a gif!! this is my final stand!!”

😭

[muted condor]

I just fuck with people that have shit opinions :)

Life is to short to formulate arguments against low iq people on the internet

[foggy sail]

“i have to act like im better even tho im wrong! i am.. BROGON THE SNAIL!”

[muted condor]

That’s me

[hexed tulip]

congrats on reaching green role

[left sage]

What in the middle school argument is going on in here

[spice vigil]

he aint in the wrong just saying

[plucky spade]

the only change spear needs is the ability to cancel m2

[rotund orchid]

Lock me up for being 2 swag

[graceful frigate]

Chat i'm tired of the M11 in light, what else do I use 😔

[rotund orchid]

M1900 folk

Either sonar or insvis its so good :3

I use thermal just to anti the sonar in the sense of where they are attacking from i can get eyes on them faster

Heavy build im getting the grapple hook next

[trail ridge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nDJ3pG8k9wc?si=h9NQIArX3rg0-dzP

[next marsh]

what do you guys use with the lock bolt at heavy

[left sage]

Anything really the lock bolt is very versatile

Close range likes it because they can't run, medium range also likes it because you can stick a guy in the open with no cover

[muted halo]

minigun, flamethrower , melee , to counter melee, good in a full light lobby aswell

[shell sonnet]

should pyro grenade set enemies on fire if theyre near the point of impact, but not inside the fire aoe?

[restive plover]

Every time he's been asked to do it he's always avoided doing it and ignored lol.

[sudden pewter]

C4, if I can limit a lights range of motion a primed C4 can generally kill them

[cunning slate]

Hear me out on this:

Healing Dart gun for medium.

[cunning slate]

What the HELL did I miss?

[cunning slate]

What isn't?

[compact tundra]

Yo I got this pretty sick clip while high as fuck last night

[uneven forge]

Gottem

[dense umbra]

5 hp

[quick wind]

Is it advisable to take a defibrillator if another medium player is also taking one?

[compact tundra]

Yes

[sudden pewter]

This hurt a little to watch but good job

[compact tundra]

Bruh I was high as shit my reaction time and tracking ain't gon be there

[sudden pewter]

Excuses excuses

[compact tundra]

Plus it's casual so I just go full brawl heavy

Also I had a clip where a dual blades fucking rochet jumped to me

What is this dark magic Borgon

[muted condor]

Nothing, Iv just given up explaining why spear throw is a bad idea and just rage bait people over it now

[compact tundra]

Green 👍

[eager wasp]

i hope they add a spear throw next season 🥀

[muted condor]

Green :D

[compact tundra]

Please tell me what dark magic that dual blades used

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-crash-out-angry-gif-15667791719891680630

[runic quest]

I WANT A AA12 WITH DRAGONS BREATH FOR THE HEAVY sorry didnt ment to scream at you

[muted condor]

If knew I wouldn’t be hard stuck gold

[stoic garden]

i got to diamond with dual blades!!!!!

there's this little trick called smoke grenade...

[muted condor]

I understand the weapon I’m just not very good at the game in general

Although yesterday I discovered I’m actually kinda cracked with the revolver for some reason

[stoic garden]

only weapon i think i was genuinely ok at was sword, before the nerfs ❤️

[compact tundra]

I'm only cracked at revolver when high. Gummies make headshots 2x easier to hit. Also got a kinda nasty gummie sniper sometimes

[muted condor]

I picked it up just to goof off with and ended up winning two WTs and out killing most my teammates

[stoic garden]

nowadays I'm sorta good at m60 and arn, but really that's it

my aim is really bad lol

[muted condor]

Spear, mini gun, SA12, dual blades, and now revolver is what iv been playing

[stoic garden]

right, minigun is probably my best weapon, no way right

[muted condor]

I tried learning the MGL but couldn’t do it

[unborn mica]

[stoic garden]

realest shit is running triple mgl in quick cash i think

[cunning slate]

Oh.

[compact tundra]

@indigo nexus
sorry to ping you but I'm curious, do you have any clue as to what that Dual blades did, and/or what happened to the dual blades to allow them to rocket jump

[stoic garden]

spear spin should be less of a stupid ass dance and more of a meat grinder 🤔

[normal ice]

that happens when throwing barrels at people in general. Game's jank.

[indigo nexus]

Not very clearly no. It could be that there was some weird collision between them and the red canister in which they were projected at a fairly high speed in order to move out from it, or potentially a weird case with a fragment of surrounding terrain hitting into them (though this seems less feasible).

[normal ice]

Sometimes they go flying away instead of towards you

[compact tundra]

If so then I wanna learn how to harness this power

[stoic garden]

he pulled out the ancient japanese swordmaster inside of him

[normal ice]

You can't. It's inconsistent even when you try to get your teammates on Discord to line it up

It's just UE5's shitty physics or something

[indigo nexus]

If I had to guess the most likely identifiable cause would be the red canister's position being momentarily desynced between the server and that player for whatever reason, and its correction to its proper position causing an unusual circumstance that the collision engine solves with a bit of brute force

I don't think the game uses UE5's default collision detection systems, that would surprise me for a game with this kind of destructible environment

[normal ice]

Fair enough -- someone's physics are at fault somewhere lol

[indigo nexus]

kinda, but it might have been a state which just can't be reasonably anticipated within standard behaviour of how things should move

issues of this type may be very hard to resolve indeed

(I know for a fact I could not make one nearly as stable as this games' physics engine, though that's to be expected given relative inexperience :p)

[normal ice]

It's happened to me like a dozen times so far and it really messes up fights. Seems like the simplest solution would be to just make the barrel instantly explode if a player lands on it midflight

Almost every barrel explodes on direct hit, anyway, except poison and fire

[indigo nexus]

this would mean that touching on a barrel in general may immediately destroy it, so perhaps it needs a bit more nuance than that

but for a red barrel specifically, detonating on contact while it was in the propelled stage maybe wouldn't be so bad

[restive plover]

is the shak 50 good

[eager wasp]

very

[indigo nexus]

it's the most meta heavy weapon. It's good if you're a relatively good player.

I would not recommend it if your aim is not particularly good

[restive plover]

my trackings really good

why is it so high skill ? does it shoot really slow

[indigo nexus]

limited mag, mainly

if you are not consistently killing enemies within a mag it's probably better to go for something else, or if you are not great with reload management in general

[paper plaza]

You want to know what I want??

More love for the goo gun

[paper plaza]

We need more goo gun skins and animations

[sudden pewter]

This is what I want

[red pumice]

ah yes more spandex

[sudden pewter]

Tanktop with midriff my beloved

[red pumice]

I see plenty of that irl I do NOT need to see it in this game

Although once you add a maid outfit there really is no going back

[sudden pewter]

I’m not asking for goo(n)bait I’d just love to see more sporty stuff

[red pumice]

Nah

[sudden pewter]

#NotMyJunior

A wretched facsimile of my beloved CEO

[red pumice]

Alfa Acta does not support this statement

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-gojo-yellow-role-gif-2475892790391981505

Bro thought he could embed 🤓

[red pumice]

😭

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-25368312

MY Junior would endorse a camo tanktop with the AA Logo centerface

[red pumice]

It's not tacticool

[sudden pewter]

Neither is the basic hoodie from the wheel, yet it exists

[compact tundra]

If we ever get the crop top 🙏 have mercy. I already have a muscle mommy problem with my skins don't fuel the addiction

Honestly they could fund 3 whole esports tournaments with a set of crop tops with abs

[shell sonnet]

Shooting a goo blob in your hand and eating it 🔥

[paper plaza]

Can we put up a petition for this?

Ping the devs 1000000000000000 times just for the animation of eating goo from your hand

[shell sonnet]

Probably
Im not gonna (too forgetful)

But we could

What i could do is look up an animation from another game that someone made that would be pretty much exactly that

[paper plaza]

Which dev do we ping tho

[compact tundra]

We get the goo eating emote in a set that gives the goo gun a cotton candy skin

[paper plaza]

We gotta bully them

[paper plaza]

That'd be funny

[shell sonnet]

Noooo, dont make it reliant on a single skin
I wanna keep my iseult branded goo gun

Thats the closest im ever gonna get to a glue sniffing emote
I need it to be universal 🥺

[compact tundra]

Do you think having skins change the colour of goo could fuck with the game presuming the goo has to stay a bright visible colour

[sudden pewter]

None of them. We will peel off your eyelids and make you watch game theory.

[paper plaza]

I like game theory

[paper plaza]

As long as its visible against the environment

[compact tundra]

Cause like the cotton candy skin would turn it bright pink

[shell sonnet]

They mentioned something on the blahaj hammer fanworks

Something along the lines of
"Love goes further than bullying"

So better not lol

[paper plaza]

So we makeout with them

[compact tundra]

Yes, get me Oscar this minute

[paper plaza]

I will ping him for the funny

[cunning slate]

You think they'll drop an M1911?

I know they have a model.

[paper plaza]

Damn, I cant remember which one is Oscar

[compact tundra]

I don't even know what he looks like but I'll kiss as many men as I have too for the goo gun

https://tenor.com/view/goo-gun-the-finals-goo-gif-11263600545026771416

[paper plaza]

OOOSCAAAR, WE NEEED YOOOUUU

[sonic zephyr]

Guys lets petition to nerf the mgl.

Im kinda bored rn

[sudden pewter]

https://imgur.com/caTQ8bb

[paper plaza]

Ping a random dev and tell them to goo

[shell sonnet]

Found it
https://youtu.be/P9F8U1zPU64?si=CXiBPI7FwdlLxrYE

[shell sonnet]

I need my goo eating animation

[lapis wigeon]

why in the world u can cancel sledge attack but not a spear, how this even make sense

[shell sonnet]

No idea
Maybe they want it to be a high risk, high reward move against full teams, or are afraid theyre gonna be abused for easy combos
But honestly i dont really see that happening
Not like spear is really strong or anything

Spear should just have 1 single sweep as m2, and it just keeps playing over and over until you let go

(Or just make the current animation stop after the next instance of damage during its animation)

[indigo nexus]

wdym? you can cancel a spear attack (oh, I think I misinterpreted)

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, still slows you and cant attack
Idk if you can even use gadgets

And personally, it feels to exploity to me

And they mentioned anyways that they want to remove tech

Current spear m2 is really fuckikg risky, when it doesnt even bug out

And if you missclick once by accident, say goodbye to your killstreak/cashout

[indigo nexus]

spear spin attack in its current state, it wouldn't make sense to make it intentionally cancel-able, because the third hit is virtually useless

[shell sonnet]

Being stuck in a multisecond animation because of a missclick (tried to ads with rpg, was still on spear) prevented me from blowing up my cashout before, lost it

[indigo nexus]

I do like the riskiness of committing to the right click attack but they could curb it a little, misclicks are such a pain

perhaps if the first hit has not connected, you should be able to cancel it simply by letting go of right click

[shell sonnet]

There are also a ton of stupid spots you should think you can get in, but an enemy is actually save there

Like the entrances to below any building in kyoto

Or under the stairs in ospuze lobby in vegas

Those got me killed before by someone just sitting there, which shouldve been an easy kill

[indigo nexus]

yeah

[shell sonnet]

Id rather have a m2 attack that has slightly more delay before the first instamce of damage than not being able to cancle

Just that its gonna be a nerf to everyone that already abuses the tech, which would suck for them

[lapis wigeon]

the other disadvantage that your movement becomes slower, which makes it even easier to not stay in spear range

[shell sonnet]

Like, there is something i specifically recall about when i started using spear

I met a light on skyways powershift at the start of the match, i dropped on him and hit m2

The first hit connected
Then he dashed away into the house
I am now stuck in the animation for 2 more attacks and cant move
Meanwhile he is out of range and spraying me down with m11
I die before i can get anywhere

A mistake?
Yeah sure, maybe
A mistake so grave it warrents immidiate death?

[lapis wigeon]

they just hate melee for some reason

only viable melee is a dagger, where still issues with stab register

[cunning slate]

M1911 on medium. How'd you balance it? All Ive got is gunshield.

[hardy dust]

Embark genuinely hates skill expression on melee

[distant moth]

fr fr

speaking facts

[lapis wigeon]

Well tbh sword is too strong against newbies, but it is not against mid-high elo

Same with other melee

[distant moth]

ong

[lapis wigeon]

Are your nickname JK in the finals?

[distant moth]

nope

[lapis wigeon]

How unfortunate

[distant moth]

?

[hardy dust]

Its not that strong, and gutting it into oblivion for being slightly better at killing bad players isnt good balancing

[lapis wigeon]

Yeah

[hardy dust]

Literally anything will stomp newbies if you're good

Except sword has a lot of counterplay, so you can learn to play against it

[lapis wigeon]

But those handcuffs on degrees are so annoying, I d better stick to 105 damage than this

[hardy dust]

Yep

Embark should just fully revert all the melee nerfs

Get rid of multihit if its that much of an issue and call it a day

[lapis wigeon]

I really wish for them instead of nerfing every weapon, ability that is strong, to buff others that underperforming, plus add special features that are fun, like nukes and goo planes, and other too for other utilities

[hardy dust]

I concur

I still dont get why embark shafted goovement either 😭

[lapis wigeon]

I think most annoying about single hit is when there is dome shield, U hit it with a dagger stab and U can't do shit anymore

[hardy dust]

Yeah, it should bypass mesh and dome kinda like winch, but not be able to hit multiple players

[lapis wigeon]

I really like first seasons cuz of a chaos we had

[hardy dust]

S1 and S2 were my favorites

[lapis wigeon]

Ob was cool too, and S3 was also good, tho they made weapon too weak, and shifted from original game mode to cs-like

[hardy dust]

Partly because nobody knew how to play well, but also that everything felt more fun. I really liked ob too

S3 wouldve been so much better if terminal attack wasnt ranked

[lapis wigeon]

We got wt, which really sucks in term of originality from ranked

[muted condor]

If they don’t want the spin on spear to be cancelled they need to make it super powerful so there’s a reason to risk it

[lapis wigeon]

And it is hard to grind, come on, 25 points for win with 2400 in total, that's quite tmuch

[hardy dust]

I doubt embark will do that, they really hate giving strong options to melee

[lapis wigeon]

"spear is too powerful I die to it instantly" - Tommy casual player

[hardy dust]

Ive seen people complain about dual blades being op wayyy too many times 😭

[muted condor]

That absolutely sends me

[hardy dust]

Istg if they can solve an issue by running headfirst and shooting they instantly ask for nerfs

[muted condor]

It’s literally the worst weapon in the game and people still complain about it

[hardy dust]

"Reflect is too op there's literally nothing you can do about it"

[lapis wigeon]

They really hate melee, but if it got reworked at some point, I with they don't make completely different weapon like they did with stun gun(tho they could just make it chargeable, like holding a stab with a dagger)

[muted condor]

You don’t have to do anything about it just walk away 😭

The fact that the dual blades bigger counter is just ignoring them is annoying as a dual blades player

[lapis wigeon]

Cuz mediums does not have cc, or good close range mobility

[muted condor]

We got goo grenade 👍

[lapis wigeon]

They should at least make that with melee U move 20% faster

[lapis wigeon]

Guess who fcking have it too, any other class

[soft berry]

Im worried about that spear rework idea floating tbh, as its kind of eradicating a playstyle. Id say add a different melee and make it have the spin while spear gets reworked

Also make sure to make it cancelable

[lapis wigeon]

All they need to do is to divide this spear combo into 3 individual attacks

With possibility to cancel them

[shell sonnet]

Why should spear be reworked and have its m2 given to another weapon?

[muted condor]

Its literally the only if ay to confirm kills with dual blades

[muted condor]

That is the weirdest take in ever seen tbh

[shell sonnet]

Like, i get wanting to preserve it

But why must spear loose it?

Its not beyond saving

[soft berry]

Exactly. Im simply thinking that the spear throw would be a good idea for a weapon as well, while the spin doesn't quite feel like the idea for a spear

[muted condor]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[shell sonnet]

Another one

[muted condor]

I’m going to crash tf out!

[soft berry]

But that spear playstyles deserves to stay

[shell sonnet]

Have you been keeping track?

[muted condor]

It’s about 5 different people a day

[shell sonnet]

fill their room with goo

[muted condor]

Then burn it

[soft berry]

New goo suffocation tech

[shell sonnet]

"New"

[muted condor]

Then why not just leave the spear

[hexed tulip]

bad idea but
give goo suffocation damage

[shell sonnet]

No
I want to keep my cocoon tech

[muted condor]

Just make a new melee weapon that can be thrown and put it on medium

[lapis wigeon]

I think spear should be given a little bit boost at first attack, then slowly losing momentum gaining damage

[sudden pewter]

“Guys give the melee weapon a ranged attack”
I’m using my psionic prowess to burst a blood vessel in your brain

[soft berry]

Its probably not gonna happen but I'd think it would be a double solution, either way can work

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

[lapis wigeon]

Nuh, then U will have both shit melee weapon and shit ranged weapon

[sudden pewter]

Embark can’t balance melee as is, and someone wants to add a ranged factor to the discussion

Keep them apart, please don’t encourage the bastardization of weapon classes. Balance is hard enough as is

[shell sonnet]

I legit thought it was impossible for medium to get a melee weapon thats anywhere near how riot shield is

Dual blades does have an interesting niche tho
(Just a little sad it would be better off without the 3rd combo hit)

[muted condor]

If this many people keep asking for it they are going to gut and burn my favorite weapon with this horrible idea man 😭

[soft berry]

I'm scared too that they will not see the nuance and do that. I just want compromises

[shell sonnet]

So yeah, medium melee could gain the most diversity out of the classes from a different melee weapon

[lapis wigeon]

I think people tend to forget that melee should be strong in close range, cuz it's all of it, if U stay out of range U or die or about to die without no cover

[muted condor]

It will be 8 season before the spear is at all useable if they give it a throw

[lapis wigeon]

I hope they unlock degree rotation on sword

[sudden pewter]

Instead of asking for a throwing spear because “erm melee hybrid because pointy end” let’s just give Heavy a modern atlatl, they can keep their throwing fantasy and keep melee locked to QM

[muted condor]

I don’t know anything about the sword tbh

[lapis wigeon]

They could make that U deal less damage if U attack from a side, but U at least deal damage

[sudden pewter]

Fuck it, give Medium the Atlatl. I don’t think Medium has a slow burst weapon akin to the KS23 atm(?)

[soft berry]

You are awfully agressive towards my take but I do like this idea tbh

[sudden pewter]

Outside the CL40 ofc because Lights will never stop being cancer about it

[shell sonnet]

I feel like it would have too low of rof to be balanced
It would need insane damage

On spear you could at least argue its a finisher, and time to "reload" doesnt matter

[sudden pewter]

You are not the first to ask for a melee weapon to have ranged utility. You will not be the last.

Any arguments for it have been levied and deconstructed at an atomic level. End result: Bad Idea

[muted condor]

Sorry we just hear multiple people every day asking for a really bad rework idea on a weapon that is fine as is. The throw sounds fun on paper but is a horrible idea

[sudden pewter]

At this point the “sniper heavy” post should be pinned

We may as well make one for “throwing spear” too given how frequently it’s brought up

[lapis wigeon]

Honestly it is quite annoying weapon

[muted condor]

I actually haven’t heard people asking for that as much

[cunning slate]

Even non-lethal range oppertunites?

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/peta-farbar-petr-farbar-peter-farbar-gif-15417317830124358582

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040444450268254248/1253792933312991263/why_think.gif

[muted condor]

That’s why lock bolt exists

[shell sonnet]

Probably because its not in game

Its more likely to discuss something "bad" thats already in that a potential idea people think about sometimes

[muted condor]

There were loads of people asking for it a little while ago

[shell sonnet]

Ive really been wanting to lockbolt a cashout out of gravity cube to the ceiling
Dream ruined

I think it was in responce to gateway launching, right?

[cunning slate]

In a weapon,tho?

[lapis wigeon]

Lock bolt is such a melee counter

[soft berry]

Oh, and please dont overgeneralize my concept to be the exact same as others

[muted condor]

Imagine if the gravity cube pushed in different directions based on what you stuck it to

[hexed tulip]

there was so much fun stuff you could do with it

[lapis wigeon]

I think it should be deal damage when enemy touches center and it would move enemy to it, or explode when it shoot at,

[shell sonnet]

I suggested that before
Me want

Only 1 small issue

What happens if you stick it onto an object, and thats object spins while thrown in the air?

Do we just have a giant aoe rotating at mach fuck?

[muted condor]

Yes, that sounds awesome

Horrifyingly? Possibly but awesome

[shell sonnet]

Could be worse ig
If that bothers them, just make it only stick to walls, floors and the ceiling

[lapis wigeon]

Make it non stuck to objects like GOO, problem solved

[shell sonnet]

Pushing cashouts sideways would be so big
Im just worried it might cause cheese

Accidental reply, whoops

[lapis wigeon]

Make friction a thing, when enemy in on the ground it is slightly moving it to direction, when enemy in the air it moves it more intense, in that case cashout stays in place when on the ground

[shell sonnet]

I need it back

Just prevent lockbolted objects from passing through a gateway

Or snap if its a few meters outside its maximum range

[pulsar maple]

best gun for medium?

[shell sonnet]

But then it specifically doesmt do the 1 thing im hoping to get out of it

I mean, blocking pathways, cool i guess

Getting a cashout out in the open without winch or janky spear m2?
Peak

[lapis wigeon]

Think about that way, it lock players from moving into one direction pushing them into another, extremely powerful cuz enemy becomes more predictable

[lapis wigeon]

Fcar is good, famas prob the best option rn

[pulsar maple]

damn what about the revolver

[shell sonnet]

Would become a melee hard counter tho

Even if partially

Might not end up too rosie

[shell sonnet]

I think its technically one of the best
if you hit all headshots

[lapis wigeon]

U can play it, but famas is meta rn cuz they made visible recoil better

[lapis wigeon]

Almost any other weapon, is better if U hit all headshots

[sudden pewter]

I wish more thought was given to the games ecosystem as a whole before suggestions beyond “I want ___” were put forth

[pulsar maple]

Always playing meta is lame but was just curious what people are playing

[sudden pewter]

Kinda gatekeep-ish yes, but #👂┇game-feedback has rotted my core

[cunning slate]

Ofc

[muted condor]

The meta is what ever you enjoy the most

[pulsar maple]

I like that

[muted condor]

That’s why dual blades and revolver is the medium meta

[cunning slate]

Blades?

[halcyon mirage]

Any gadet recomendations for riot shield? Goo and jump pad?

[muted condor]

Goo, zip, glitch mine

[pulsar maple]

Is turret worth it for medium

[muted condor]

Eh

It’s probably the worst spec out of the three but there are some niche builds it can work with

[sudden pewter]

It’s okay, but why bring turret when you can chase, defend, push, stall, etc. with Demat

[keen plover]

If you really love it go for it

[muted condor]

I use it with dual blades

[eager wasp]

no, not at all, you should basically never use it unless you just like leveling up things

[pulsar maple]

guess heaing beam and dematerializer are equally good depending on strat?

[sudden pewter]

Demat is objectively the best spec medium has access to overall, but HealBeam has its support niche. Though many decry its power in leu of the H+ existing

[eager wasp]

demat far above heal beam but heal beam isn't necessarily bad, just much more use outta demat

[sudden pewter]

I use almost exclusively HealBeam myself. I’ll only use demat if a Heavy isn’t on the team. And a Heavy should always be on the team

[muted condor]

I’m the heavy on the team

One of three heavy players on the NA servers

[lapis wigeon]

Healing beam is bad in terms that it is specialisation, and that only specialisation that getting overperformed by a gadget(H1 infuser)

[cunning slate]

H1 doesn't need a nerf, beam needs a buff.

Hot take, I know.

[keen plover]

The recharge feels pretty long. Especially now that everyone gets heal options

[muted condor]

I disagree

People have already forgotten what is was like before they nerfed it

[cunning slate]

And its carcas is still fresh enough to revive.

Buff beam.

[shell sonnet]

I dont think healing beam can/should be buffed

If needed, nerf h infuser
Maybe recharge time so its less helpful in drawn out rat fights?

[hexed tulip]

make h infuser take hp from the light maybe?

[cunning slate]

No. Not even with a high conversion rate.

[sudden pewter]

Objectively wrong take*

[shell sonnet]

Nah

It would need like a 3:1 hp healed : hp lost ratio

(+ accidental suicide prevention)

[hexed tulip]

nahh remove the last part

[cunning slate]

5:2 heal : take

[shell sonnet]

You dont happen to be biast, riiiiight?

Your tag and name are giving me this odd feeling
I cant put my finger on it

[cunning slate]

From your view.

[hexed tulip]

absolutely not :)

[sudden pewter]

From my throne of infallibility yes

[shell sonnet]

Not really

It got where it is now because people complained its too strong

It would be balanced compared to h infuser

But you just put it back to the state people were frustrated about

[cunning slate]

Id make medium better tho. They could just go buff Terry.

[shell sonnet]

Same thing with the "stop nerfing, buff weak weapons up"

People also complain about gettikg beamed by fcar
Buffing other weapons just makes them beam back as well

[shell sonnet]

Does medium need buffs?
Afaik its in every meta team comp and vastly more viable to run in a stack that HH or LLL

[cunning slate]

FCAR!?!

[shell sonnet]

Used to be
Used to be

But you can see where im getting at, right?

[shell sonnet]

They should buff terry

[hexed tulip]

has medium ever not been meta

[shell sonnet]

Not to my knowledge

Tho a lot of that used to be covered by defib

Maybe if defib hadnt been a thing, HHH wouldve been meta s1 due to nukes

But i think even then, due to defib, at least 1 M was always in there to counteract a nuke

[cunning slate]

Meant to say OVER buff, but yes. Buff Terry.

[shell sonnet]

Not saying mediums other items werent good back than by any means ofc

Just a lot of time was covered where defib alone made it worth it

[sudden pewter]

The issue with H+ is that it’s incredibly OP, a Light with H+ ensures you win a gunfight due to Health Diff, it heals too much too fast for the HealBeam to compete, with none of the risks the HealBeam has, while it’s a gadget. So even if we buffed HealBeam, now we have two very strong things to play against.

Or, we just nerf H+.

The rational choice of obvious. But if we keep nerfing the H+ it loses any viability and becomes trash. So I’d much rather it be reworked instead

[cunning slate]

Rework how, make it semi-auto with half its ammo?

[sudden pewter]

It should not have launched in the state it did. Shame on embark for releasing it as it was, wild that nobody saw any issues with it

[sudden pewter]

Plenty of ways to rework, the CC from TF2 seems like a very easy way to rework the gadget and add a skill-factor by introducing travel time and aim into the equation

[shell sonnet]

I mean, it was on the table
But id say it wasnt a clear cut "this will be broken"
At least from the testing they can do vs the amount of playtime we as a community get

[hexed tulip]

imo making it deal damage to the wielder in exchange for healing someone else is fair (doesn’t have to be 1:1 ratio)

because then it could get idk the teams heavy back into the fight in exchange for the light having to disengage so it’s not just a free win

[sudden pewter]

Full-healing a Heavy in less than 2s from any range is absolutely broken

[cunning slate]

Medium deserves the CC. I like the idea of adding skill, but you could just barrel stuff someone.

[shell sonnet]

But then you have 1 single giant burst of healing

You just introduce the chance of getting nothing

Still strong if you hit it, but unappealing to casuals whos teammates wont coordinate

[cunning slate]

Agreeable.

[sudden pewter]

Lights already have an incredibly low healthpool and are often apart from their team, it’s asking a lot for a Light (generally selfish in terms of playstyle and gadget choice) to bring a support tool, it’s asking even more to exchange their low health pool to bolster others

[shell sonnet]

Shouldve done that to defib imo

Share 50% of the m health

[cunning slate]

Like the stun gun (for me)

[hexed tulip]

ehh
50% of current health maybe
if at all

[shell sonnet]

What i meant
Mb

Maybe with like a cap up to 50% of the classes hp, to prevent a light from being almost full when spawned in

But that makes it more confusing again

And if it means lights become stronger in ranked, so be it

[sudden pewter]

Alternatively, the victim of a revive should have the option to decline a revive so they don’t get farmed by rezbots that don’t move statues to safe locations

[shell sonnet]

Would be nice and should be added

But that doesnt help the one fighting defibs

[sudden pewter]

We already have revive sickness, the medium doesn’t need to give 50% of health(current pool or otherwise) for a resurrection

[sudden pewter]

Killing the medium not actively shooting back is already help enough

[shell sonnet]

I wouldnt mind if it removed defib sickness or something in return
(Maybe keep defibs disabled tho)

[shell sonnet]

For the 1 second he can spend charging up behind cover?

If not bunny hoping and crouch spamming while running around

[sudden pewter]

If revive sickness goes away we get defib trains back, and for the sake of consistency and simplicity it should stay rather than disable select gadgets

[summer knot]

So like does the motion sensor not detect you if you don't move?

[sudden pewter]

If it touches you, you’re detected. It’s less a motion sensor and more just a “sensor”

[summer knot]

Ooh, that's makes not much sense, cause I thought if lights go invisible and the move, therefore there motion is captured by the sensor but I guess there is no motion just sensor 🥲

[shell sonnet]

What if it disabled gadgets, but allowed specials

So a partial sickness
Help lights get away, allow heavies to mesh, etc
Just disables defib, rpg, dome, nullifier, and so on

Not sure how well a health cost would go tho if another medium could just heal it again

I mean, defib is currently the healthiest its ever been

And im kind of comfortable not running it 24/7

[sudden pewter]

Barrel stuffing would be totally fine as it reintroduces the risk of being targeted

[cunning slate]

It IS a big piece of his kit.

Like dome on heavy, or dash on light.

[shell sonnet]

Thats why im not sure
Because it is, and it might be deserved

Not sure tho

[cunning slate]

Most people do target the pocket.

[faint steppe]

Defib doesn't need a buff. It's still a must pick gadget and you will never be able to stop absolute brainlets from reviving you in front of the enemy team.

[sudden pewter]

Contrary to popular belief you don’t have to run defib 24/7. Rather than having a gadget to reverse team deaths you can bring a gadget that prevents it in the first place. Bring goo to block LoS and make cover, a mobility tool to escape bad situations, grenades to kill bad guys or whatever else

[summer knot]

Idk if this the right channel to ask, but any tips on spear? Also should I try mesh shield instead of wrenched claw?

[sudden pewter]

Counterpoint: Light has 150hp

[shell sonnet]

This wasnt a buff suggestion
If you look further up, this is to offset a nerf to another factor

[faint steppe]

It needs nothing. Neither a nerf nor a buff.

[cunning slate]

Reaffermation: light is being targeted.

[shell sonnet]

You just said its still a must pick yourself

[faint steppe]

It is, but that's by design because Embark made it part of Medium's identity.

[sudden pewter]

Pocket refers to the heal target. Are two lights healing eachother in this theoretical?

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-meme-gif-12137471669824236660

[cunning slate]

No

[shell sonnet]

Btw, i think you didnt answer to one of my point about the cc rework yet

[faint steppe]

Embark has nerfed it how often instead of reworking it? They clearly want Medium to have a quick revive.

[shell sonnet]

What about this?

[sudden pewter]

Defib is a powerful gadget but it is by no means a mustpick. I’m not saying this to be a contrarian, Mediums was intended to be the support class and has appropriate tools. But the identity of medium is what they have access to and what they bring to the team. Not specifically the tools they have access to ☝️ 🤓

[sudden pewter]

I don’t consider it an issue? Missing your shot is ever present with anything else, and given how powerful burst healing is why should Lights be exempt from the disastrous fuck up factor?

[faint steppe]

It is a must pick. Look at anyone taking the game seriously above gold ... you are throwing if you don't pick defib. High level play literally revolves around killing the Medium to prevent the Defib. It's literally the best initial kill you can get in any given engagement

[shell sonnet]

But it still does the thing you complain about, right?

[faint steppe]

Pretty much every class has a must pick tho. You won't see a decent Heavy without Dome or a Light without Gateway. There are certain gadgets that are basically part of each class's identity when looking at the current meta.

[sudden pewter]

Not disagreeing that there are popular options, I personally wouldn’t be caught dead without a Dome Shield myself. But there are plenty instances of players doing just fine without them. If you haven’t become familiar with Sanguine Nights (finals YouTuber that mains medium) I’d highly suggest watching some of his gameplay. He uses mines instead of defibs and generally reaches Ruby

[shell sonnet]

Then maybe they shouldnt be?

If something is so strong everybody runs it, then it could probably use changes
Maybe not direct nerfs, but something to align it better
Its healthy if lost of option are viable

[sudden pewter]

In a CC rework the burst healing of an individual dart wouldn’t be 300HP. (Ideally)

[shell sonnet]

Didnt it get nerfed to like 200 rn anyways?

Nah, more rn, what number is it?

[sudden pewter]

It went from 450 to 300 iirc

Lemme check the patch notes

[faint steppe]

Doing fine with something doesn't change the fact that certain gadgets are still better than others and some are that good that they become must picks.

I know Sanguine but if you watch his stuff he would still be a lot better if he used Defib and any serious team will kick his ass precisely because he doesn't run it & they know it.

[shell sonnet]

Might actually make it more problematic in certain situations tho, since lots of small hwaling bolts all need to connect, so you either keep moving and get healed less, or stand still to heal, but risk taking fire

cc rework would sidestep that single 1 bolt should be a lot easier to hit

[little kayak]

Manifesting a new specialization for Medium and Heavy, and new weapons for each class next season-

[neon briar]

which special for the light is better the dash or the grappling hook

[sudden pewter]

20hp to 15hp with 20 in a full charge
So 400 to 300

[faint steppe]

Dash

[hexed tulip]

dash

[sudden pewter]

Dash, no contest

[shell sonnet]

Grappling hook specifically if you wanna run the box for 10 minutes after getting first cashout advantage in head 2 head

I hate how thats a viable strategy
Feels dirty

[lapis wigeon]

I think they should move defib into specialisation and healing beam into gadgets, plus buff both, defib to be more useful(on a level of demat), healing beam to be perfect middle ground in terms of healing, or leave it like it is just in gadgets

[shell sonnet]

But, in my defence
They did saltswitch to 2x cl-40 when i did well with melee and i could not be arsed

[sudden pewter]

It’s an opportunity cost, I don’t believe anyone would compare a mine/grenade to the defib. (Again) The slot used for the defib could just as easily have a gadget that prevents the death in the first place

[cunning slate]

Teleportation nade. Like an ender pearl.

[shell sonnet]

You mean gateway?

[cunning slate]

Light spec.

[sudden pewter]

Gateway?

[lapis wigeon]

Grappler should have two charges, or the more distance U cover the more cd U have, and vice versa, and cloak should not use charge after activation and be less visible, that way they will be on the level of dash

[shell sonnet]

Get out of jail free card

Basically deadringer

Please do not

[sudden pewter]

DeadRinger 💀

[summer iris]

What's the optimal contestant setup for a team, how many of each class?

[little kayak]

Give light a beanbag shotgun that pushes enemies backwards and only does body shot damage.
Plays like a slow, less accurate KS

[sudden pewter]

HML will always be viable and arguably the most balanced setup.

(This will only change when a particular thing in the ecosystem is so OP teams want multiple)

[cunning slate]

Not deadringer.