💣┇weapons-gadgets

[sleek obsidian]

then you might aswell just run minigen them

[cunning slate]

But then again, minigun.

[red pumice]

I do sometimes

[muted condor]

Mini gun is infact the coolest gun and amazing

[red pumice]

It is

[cunning slate]

I enjoy it

[sleek obsidian]

not a huge problem

[red pumice]

I love melting lights with the minigun

[cunning slate]

Almost everything can "melt a light"

[muted condor]

I’m just praying for the servers to be fixed so I can go back to playing spear

[red pumice]

Ehhh sort of not EVERYTHING

[sleek obsidian]

atp im just playing cod running light sr-84 ts is so fun

[red pumice]

Lmao

[cunning slate]

Name 2 weapons

[sleek obsidian]

i never touched it cause i thought the game would be to fast paced for sniping but its pretty slow in some cases

[red pumice]

Revolver, any light weapon

[cunning slate]

Needs a buff imo

[sleek obsidian]

its good as is im not expect to 1 tap a heavy lol

[shell sonnet]

light weapons melt other lights even faster because they need to keep up with M/H hp

[inland ibex]

Who wanna play the new mode head 2 head

[shell sonnet]

and revolver can 1 tap+qm on a hs

[cunning slate]

So my point stands.

[red pumice]

I wouldn’t know because I never use the revolver as I said

[cunning slate]

Your not missing out.

[shell sonnet]

but if you dont know why say it doesnt?

[ripe whale]

I see people complaining here about actual D and F tier weapons and gadgets

[red pumice]

From what I’ve seen from other people using it

[sleek obsidian]

remove riot shield done

[red pumice]

Sledgehammer > riot shield change my mind

[inland ibex]

No

[sleek obsidian]

not that i cant kill them (CL-40 main) they are just very dumb

[shell sonnet]

just because something is underused or bad in some contexts, doesnt mean its fine everywhere

[ripe whale]

Low skill copium

[inland ibex]

Guys I have a question, why I can't hear the footsteps especially with people who use sword

[subtle minnow]

Which one?

[sleek obsidian]

riot shield

[cunning slate]

Good question

[inland ibex]

So whats the answer

[sleek obsidian]

prob cause theyre light and also alot of stuff happens right before they shove it 12 ft deep into you

[normal ice]

game's audio genuinely sucks and always has

[shell sonnet]

how would you know?

[cunning slate]

I don't know

[ripe whale]

Cuz im high skill

[inland ibex]

That's true, but it was good at season 1 and 2

Like I can only hear them when im alr dead so what's the f point

[sleek obsidian]

night mode?

[red pumice]

What now

[muted condor]

Which ones

I have seen people complaining about the dual blades needing a nerf before

[ripe whale]

All people complain about are riot, sword, CL, MG

[cunning slate]

They are inharently op weaopns.

[swift agate]

mgl is cheeks, there is nothing op about that thing. riot is strong right now, though how it stands after the fixed regarding its hitbox is yet to be seen. sword is viable at the moment, though it's not really fun to play. and CL, while still not exactly requiring the best of aim, is really not all that bad now that it takes the slightest ounce effort at all to use

[cunning slate]

Ofc the mgl sucks.

[swift agate]

well let's see. akm, fcar, pike, famas, CL, repeater, revolver, m60, lewis, shak, dualies, SA, KS, sledge, flame, minigun

you can disagree if you like, but you can look at the ttk values yourself and note that all of these weapons kill a light faster than the m11 can kill a medium or a heavy. this is, of course, most of the weapon cast and we're exclusing other light weapons too. the counter to light that you're looking for isn't a specific weapon or strategy, it's hitting your shots

[hoary patio]

Sword wouldn’t be bad if dashes wasn’t part of the game. Dashes is way to good in the right hands. Now in my opinion dashes should be nerfed to 2 charges with a charge reload at 20s. All the dashes are is a crutch for people who can’t win at any weapon. Idc who plays light if it’s a pro or not it needs to be nerfed. Sure people can say it has counters like glitch or winch but you have make the enemy come towards you to get them winches or glitches.

[teal pike]

lcar

[cunning slate]

I was trying to tell someond that light can be melted by amost any weapon. I meant two weapons that cannot melt light.

[swift agate]

ah, gotcha

[ripe whale]

Yall act like a light is suppose to face to face 1v1 mediums 🤦‍♂️ actual bots

[swift agate]

if you want it to take almost a minute to recharge 2 dashes, you'd be better off asking for the specialization to be removed from the game.

you don't want to balance dash, you just don't want to play against it

[hoary patio]

Dash isn’t balanced. Cloak or grapple are hardly picked because dash is too good

[swift agate]

cloak and grapple aren't picked because they're garbage, not because dash is somehow op

the secret to countering dash is following the bright blue trail the light leaves with your crosshair and shooting them

this is generally only a problem to play against in lobbies where players are still having a hard time with the concept of object permanence and also seem to have an affinity for using the controller or the mouse with their left foot

[cunning slate]

Then make them stronger than dash.

[hoary patio]

Or nerf dash

[cunning slate]

That too

[swift agate]

or hit your shots
it's really not all that difficult

[merry robin]

can fit this show

[merry robin]

lol

[subtle minnow]

Average rage bait

[foggy ruin]

ngl dash does NOT need a nerf

just track better or wait until they've wasted their dashes

[solar dagger]

Am I geeked or is the sword nerfed???

[boreal laurel]

I disagree only with the statements regarding sword—somehow I actually do find it fun to play 😏

[amber folio]

the spear needs to be reworked. It should be a throwable and the secondary attack is a melee. I never see spear users

[thorn anvil]

Yo

[oak shuttle]

Stuck on terms and conditions screen , help

[royal pier]

The spin is fine when they aren't breaking hit detection.

[shell sonnet]

Or getting you killed because you always have to do the full animation

[hoary patio]

Dashes return to quick so there’s no waiting for them running out of dashes

[sleek obsidian]

the xp is amazing

[heady kindle]

I don't like dash, but i also believe in buffing all other options over nerfing the one. Id rather see grapple and cloak users go crazy like dash than just no one having fun with light specialisations.

As a heavy main, i feel lucky that all 4 (unfair that med and light only have 3 still) are very fun and equally usable. Mediums specialisations I haven't used enough to form an opinion on but I've heard that demat is disproportionately better than heal and turret

[sand monolith]

is this ragebait

[hoary patio]

I’m being genuine

[sand monolith]

thats quite the opinion

[sleek obsidian]

indeed

[compact tundra]

Shoot them, dash isn't a crush, it's the only way light can survive with such a low health pool. If you nerf dash then light would need ~200HP just to be able to play the game

[hoary patio]

All dash is a get out of jail free card

[compact tundra]

Grapple is a far better get out of jail free card. Dash is a positioning tool and helps through off peoples aim, which is needed with how easily light is mowed down

[hoary patio]

If lights supposed to be a high skill class all dash does makes it easier for lights to win even though they have the most powerful weapons in the game. Grapple can do the same thing with one charge

[brave yew]

You just defined something not being balanced

[royal pier]

Well, not if you cancel it 😏

[compact tundra]

Never said light is high skill, light is a glass cannon. Light has some high skill weapons but overall it's not the hardest to play, heavy is a far higher skill class overall. Light has the most powerful weapons in the game because they die to half decent aim. But dash is needed for that. Without dash lights have no way of escaping when caught out, and they get caught out an awful lot. Light is hit and run, and if they can't run then everyone else will just dominate them. This is an aiming and team play issue, not an issue with dash itself

[hoary patio]

Have you heard of something called goo grenade? Sure lights are hit and runs but does lights really need 3 dashes. I’m sure is 2 is enough to evade gun fire. Now if you want to play melee as medium you will most likely lose the fight against light because you can’t catch up to a stupid dasher nor can you prevent the dash except he gets hit glitch traps but that rarely happens. Or you know what why don’t we give mediums winch claw that solve that issue and make lights suffer

[swift agate]

no they do not. let's have a look at how fast dashes in the finals are earned back

if you can't kill a light before they recover even one dash, you're the problem in that interaction, not the light

this isn't ultrakill where you can chain dashes by spacing them out by like 1 second

[compact tundra]

Making 1 gadget a must pick is a shit balancing idea. Yes they do, 2 dashes would completely kneecap there ability to position in fights, the whole reason dash is so generous is because most the time you arent 1v1ing, you're in a team fight, and light needs the ability to get out should things get Rocky, dash also needs 3 so lights can get in, grab statues, and get out. A good light is gonna be playing support and dash is necessary for that. Medium is not meant to 1v1 anyone, there a team player. Tell me how often does Melee medium beat heavies or other mediums. If you're in even half decent lobbies then Melee medium just gets fucked regardless, because mediums Melee choices are shit at the moment. Medium is a all around team player, heavy is the 1v1 champ + mid fight support, and light is hit and run + post fight support. If they hit dash then light will lose both of their niches. The problem is the other specs. Cloak is countered by a held decent monitor, and grapple is a single use get out of jail free card/position tool with a high skill floor. That's why 90% of lights run dash, it's easy and versatile. Not because it's broken

Medium does not need winch claw. That would break their design

[sand monolith]

because light loses ttk races

[compact tundra]

Typing out a fucking book about match ups, be back in like 20

[cunning slate]

Elephant gun. Who gets it?

Also buff repeater.

[swift agate]

I'd be down for a repeater buff. it's only really good against lights, and any damage buff wouldn't affect lights at all any further unless it got to 100 base damage, which would be the threshold by which it could one shot a light to the head, which would indeed be busted, but anything below that would only make it better against mediums and heavies, which it desperately needs to be

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[compact tundra]

My book is done but I feel I took so long that it would be weird to post it now

Fucking 45 minutes of writing

[sleek obsidian]

world tour players have to be the dullest people ive ever interacted with

[wary zinc]

bombs are broken

[shut bane]

Which ones

[cunning slate]

I take that back.

[lilac thorn]

Could we get some more weapons and or gadgets for the medium class

[shut bane]

Next season for sure for sure

[brazen mango]

Not entirely wrong

Heavy as a whole is giga winch carried atm but positioning on heavy is easily the hardest among classes

And the meta gun on most maps is also the hardest to use gun in the game

[compact tundra]

Just for me heavy having typically short to medium range weapons, on top of having the slowest movement in the game, makes him the highest skill class

[brazen mango]

Light is perfect rn imo, Medium needs power on guns moved around into more of an AR Meta + a heal beam buff, and Heavy needs Mesh to be remotely usable again

[brazen mango]

Well yeah heavy is just a bruiser by design, tanky, slow, high HP, high damage output, its kind of like how offtanks work in OW

[compact tundra]

I think DB is a problem, grapple needs a rework, and cloak needs something, not sure on that one

[brazen mango]

TF2 Cloak, DB needs a rework, Grapple should either be kept niche or heavily reworked into a gadget

[compact tundra]

Also throwing knives to me needs a bit of a rework. They dominate other lights and their alt fire is just so boring.

[compact tundra]

I think they need to find a way where DB can 1shot +QM light without heavily altering the other interactions, maybe also 2 shot + QM on heavy. I think grapple needs to be nerfed a bit and then given a second charge, that's put it more on par with the dash, grapple as a gadget would be problematic

[brazen mango]

Imo the biggest issue rn is how dogshit mesh shield is

[brazen mango]

Nah DB should be 110 with way faster reload

[compact tundra]

Would removing winches ability to go through it fix the problem

[brazen mango]

For the most part yeah, winch shouldnt go trough any shields

As it stands winch is the better 1v1 spec IF YOU IGNORE THE SHIELD INTERACTIONS IT HAS, MESH ALREADY LOSES TO IT because you wont get any additional damage out of mesh in a 1v1, having the FIGHT LOSING SPEC be the one that gets hard countered makes absolutely zero sense

[compact tundra]

I honestly agree there, this chat had like a whole conversation 2 days ago on winch, we came up with

Winch should now be blocked by mesh shield, dome shield, and riot shield. And it should also go through gateways now. So you can pull the rats back through

[brazen mango]

Nah it shouldnt go trough gateways imo, thats gonna cause hog 1.0 issues

[compact tundra]

But it'd be really funny

Plus it's not like cash boxes can go through gateways

[brazen mango]

If they nerf the hitbox so it cant hit people on pullback, make it get blocked by all shields AND FIX IT PULLING AROUND CORNERS they could legit buff it to 20m again

[compact tundra]

I don't know about the pullback, a lot of heavies like the pullback feature. I never really use winch so I'm unbiased but they seem to love it.

[stoic garden]

"again"? i watched the s3 preview event, was it really that long lol

[brazen mango]

21m in preview

[stoic garden]

and 15 dmg

[stoic garden]

yes i kinda love missing my free kill, and finding out i actually didn't

[brazen mango]

Prime winch SA12 could pull a medium from 21 meters and 3 tap them if they took as little as 7 damage before that

[stoic garden]

scary ass

[compact tundra]

I remember prime winch, that shit was hilarious on power shift

[brazen mango]

Heavy guns used to do damage, now only shak is allowed to sadly

SA12 and Sledge got watered down so much because embark refused to nerf winch

5 Perfect center mass shots with SA12 to beat a guy hipfiring shak

[placid slate]

If sa12 is so watered down, how come it was the only heavy gun used in the pri league grand final in Europe

[stoic garden]

because winch

clearly

[brazen mango]

Because winch is still unchanged and SA12 is still good if you perfectly center mass every shot

[placid slate]

"Because winch" that doesn't change teh fact that shak also benefits from winch

Almost every gun benefits from winch

[brazen mango]

The thing is even in Mesh Meta SA12 will be good because of damage per mag, SA12 is FINE, it just FEELS TERRIBLE TO USE now because of winch

[stoic garden]

i didn't say anything about the free kill combo

[brazen mango]

SA12 IS FINE, but the gun was ALSO fine after season 2

Nobody complained abt SA12 after S2 because it genuinely took skill to use, half the reddit posts and complaints abt the gun during that time was casuals saying its weak

[placid slate]

Casuals Don't know shit

[brazen mango]

And with Shak embark already added an easier more accessible SA12 anyway (way less dmg per mag ofc)

SA12 is by far the most skillful gun in this game and it SHOULD be strong because of that

[placid slate]

I wouldn't say it's the most skillful gun

That's just glaze

[slim schooner]

what is then?

genuine question btw

[brazen mango]

Name a harder to use gun

[placid slate]

Dagger probably if you just mean weapons

[brazen mango]

Well yeah Dagger isnt a gun and also not even functional against good players, but yeah its a harder to use weapon

[placid slate]

So if guns are the criteria then I'd say the SR, since the game is primarily built around cqc and you can't remove the scope

Note I'm purely talking about cashout

[brazen mango]

Sniper is really easy to use lol, especially in this meta, points are always outside cuz of winch

And hitscan Sniper was also giga easy to use

[placid slate]

90% of boxes are deep in a buiding

[slim schooner]

but the buildings dont tend to stay 'built' for very long

[brazen mango]

Its so easy to move basically every cashout outside

Pad, Winch, Goo, Demat is all you need and all 4 of those are hard meta rn

[placid slate]

The general structure of a building generally stays intact for the whole round, even if it did fully collapse the debris still functions as cover

Just saying a shotgun in a heavily cqc focused game, on a class that can force cqc is not the hardest gun

Not to mention its ttk is very good

[slim schooner]

yes, but my point is that rotations are made on almost every wall, floor and ceiling, and the interior of most cashout buildings get an 'open floor plan' renavation lol

[placid slate]

Generally that's only because of demat, opening a 2 way hole to get shot through in a wall is generally not great unless needed at the moment

[brazen mango]

Considering how easy it is to outrun said class (if we ignore winch) because they are the slowest in the game and have an effective range of about 7m I disagree

[sleek obsidian]

LEFT CLICK WITH SPEAR IS GENUINELY CANCEROUS

[slim schooner]

"if we ignore winch" kinda sorta invalidated everything else in that sentence lol

[brazen mango]

No because Heavy is Heavy without Winch and Winch is a completely different issue that affects all heavy weapons

Winch makes Heavy untalented as a whole, if in every weapon discussion we have to assume we are talking about you being able to throw out a winch then Heavy is the least mechanical class in the game

[compact tundra]

I mean it's probably not THE hardest but trying to close distance on what is by far the slowest class in the game is pretty difficult. I also don't really like the idea of hardest gun cuz how do we quantify that. Are headshots considered very hard, is it tech required to use, is it having abnormal skills that aren't present in other weapons, or maybe the gun itself goes against the actual design of the class that's on. There's no way to objectively say what is the hardest gun or weapon

[brazen mango]

A gun that has to do a nearly 1s animation after every 4 shots with every class requiring between 3-5 shots to kill that is limited to about 7m of range and that does basically no damage if you dont hit center mass id argue is pretty hard

[compact tundra]

I would too, I just think there not really a quantifiable way to say what's hardest. Hell I think old sword was probably the hardest because of how high the skill ceiling was for super lunging. But then again you look at dagger and daggers like super difficult to use. And then revolver requires like insane headshot abilities.

I think every gun has its own difficulties

[placid slate]

W take

[brazen mango]

I mean yeah, when I look at guns I tend to not think about weapons easily hard countered or not feasible in a competitive setting, I guess you could say of the "viable weapons" SA12 is the hardest

I think Revo takes skill but its also still a single shot gun with zero recoil, imo people overrate the skill it takes

Revo is like top 3 contender for me for sure but it has no recoil and isnt entirely accurate even when aiming so IMO that takes a lot away from it

[compact tundra]

See for me I'm a head shot hater so I don't really see head shots as like super high skill, especially on PC, but that's just me. Tho I will say there pretty hard on revolver, especially if you're not a bitch (people who put scopes on revolver are bitches, looks way cooler without a scope)

[hollow violet]

I feel Light should get a new specialization, medium and heavy have been updating with over 3 each

[brazen mango]

Found some old ass 4:3 S4 Clips when I was working on a Revo Montage I ended up never making

[heady kindle]

As I've been using the spear, the secondary attack is great, but it its weird. I wanna say its the hitbox, not the hit reg. Ill be in so many situations where it either should or shouldn't hit, but does the opposite. Especially when you get multiple people nearby, you'll sometimes randomly miss some but hit others with the same tick.

[half shore]

didnt realise Finals has been out since 2000

[amber folio]

lights are super easy to kill especially for a heavy, 3 dashes are fine you take that away from them nobody would ever play lights, and the grappling hook should have 2 charges

[swift fiber]

Alr I just had the craziest idea for a gadget and I need someone to tell me why it would never work.

It would be like a schizophrenia sort of thing where you could use it to make the enemy team think that their teammates are bad guys like on their screen it'll make it have a different outline and it'll change their colors. Idk what they would do about their name tags but I'm sure they could figure something out. Or maybe to fix it you could just limit how much of their teamates they could see like their team just didn't appear on their screen or something like that. Like a glitch effect in the direction of the teammate. Idk

[sleek obsidian]

basically the ghost gadget on cod where your name tage switches the other team

[swift fiber]

I never really played cod but that sounds similar, yeah

[sleek obsidian]

the color of your name tag changes it forces people to remember their teammates names or you could just make it full spy tf2 and take a name from a team

[swift fiber]

Yes that sounds great I need that.

I can't think of any way for that to not be fair. And maybe to get rid of it you have to glitch yourself or something

[shell sonnet]

Would probably end up really unbalanced based on skill level

New players dont know to spy check, and die randomly to someone they thought was a friend
On higher levels, people just get ptsd and waste ammo spy checking the whole time, which may end up problematic on some weapons depending on how its handled
And if you go even higher, people communicate and it ends up doing absolutely nothing

It would kinda make lights problem even worse

And unlike spy, that pretty much only backstabs and is as good as dead upon being found out, light is actually a viable combat class
It would likely end up horrible

Wait, did i misread it?

[sleek obsidian]

same

[shell sonnet]

Not yourself to the enemies, but the enemies among themselves, mb

In that case it would only really work on uncoordinated teams, making the gap between randoms and stacks even wider
If it does anything at all

It would likely be problematic when it works, or not work at all and be a waste of a slot

I dont think its gonna work

[swift fiber]

Okay, that makes sense

[heady kindle]

Ideas about what will be specialisation 4 for medium and light? Well overdue I reckon.

Light has evasion and infiltration specialisations only. So assuming thats the pattern, what will be a good fit? Maybe a simple speed boost with silent footsteps as a timer ability? Maybe a bit simple, cliche even for such an ability. Oooh maybe a scan that reveals all barrels, buttons, and enemy gear like mines and turrets? That could be very very interesting for light.

Medium... imma put that in another message or thisll be too big

[sleek obsidian]

the gadget scan would be for medium

[heady kindle]

Medium specialisations have no distinct pattern like light, so it could be, but it fits light better i think.

[sleek obsidian]

gadget scanning doesnt match with light

[heady kindle]

Infiltration and evasion. It gives intel which is great for a flank and retreat, though because its not movement or directly making light harder to hit, you may be right

The old player scan was op, but barrels and enemy gadgets is much more reasonable

[sleek obsidian]

there should be a overheat gadget or special for medium or light
shooting generates heat and overheatting burns the gun out for a second or two and they take a tick of dmg

obviously melee users have no effect

[heady kindle]

I know heavy has 4 specialisations already, but hear me out:

EXPLOSIVE TURRET

[sleek obsidian]

5 second intervals and shouild be as big as cl-40 explosion

slightly bigger actually

should be for medium

[heady kindle]

And it gives fire damage like the Cerberus?

I think thats too dangerous for weapon balancing. The performance of a weapon should be unchanging in-game or otherwise balancing gets way harder for the devs.

If they didn't have to balance weapons every month, that would legitimately rule, but realistically nah

[sleek obsidian]

no just a reason to stop shooting

think of ballistic from apex

[placid slate]

And much more pointless, since every hard to see gadget makes loud noises

[plucky spade]

Holy shit

[knotty citrus]

Give the heavy a anti material sniper please 🙏

[slender bear]

I actually really like the scan idea.
Light could find a new niche as an intel gatherer.

Imagine running light with environment scans, sonar nades, thermal vision, and glitch grenades.

[subtle minnow]

Some kind of medium utility would be a good, has to be unique in the same sense the dematerialiser is

[raw cave]

Please dont give anyone sniper rifles, one is already too much

[knotty citrus]

I just want a longer ranged option for my beloved heavy class

[exotic cedar]

Hear me out, a donut skin for the gas mine

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

[cunning slate]

Not for heavy, too much hp. Light at least.

Even then, Id rather have a railgun for light.

[knotty citrus]

I fw this heavy

[knotty citrus]

I wasn’t talking about for the light the am rifle would be for the heavy class to use

[cunning slate]

How would you even balence that?

[knotty citrus]

That’s for the devs to figure out bruv I just come up with the ideas

[cunning slate]

Ture.

[knotty citrus]

Most likely a super slow reload time tbh

It would end up being like the Kraber from apex

[compact tundra]

No, heavy does not need a sniper

[cunning slate]

The Kraber can one shot to the head rn

[compact tundra]

One of his class weaknesses is range. You do not want to put a sniper on the guy that can literally build his own barricades and fortresses

[cunning slate]

Who said it could snipe, tho?

Id be fine if the thing tore through a couple walls, but I don't want the gun to hit at a distance.

Just don't give it a scope. Easy

[compact tundra]

You want a short distance am rifle, cause that makes no sense. And also you do not want to say something that shoots through walls, you're going to hit one proximity sensor and then immediately get ripped to pieces

[compact tundra]

Bow? Revolver?

[cunning slate]

Like the GM6 Lynx?

[knotty citrus]

Ok instead of an am how about a compound bow that can break through walls?

[cunning slate]

You'd need explosive arrow heads, bare minimum.

[shell sonnet]

that would only end up as even slower, even higher damage sniper tho, right?
people already complain about sniper, i dont think we need to add even more fuel to the fire

[shell sonnet]

compound bow should just be a skin imo

[cunning slate]

But what if a railgun takes away attention to sniper. Stronger, yes, but FAR more popular, and flawed.

[knotty citrus]

No it shouldn’t?

[shell sonnet]

why not?
do you think they want to add a 2nd, almost identical weapons, that might as well just look like a reskin?

[cunning slate]

The differences between a compound bow and recurve are slim.

[shell sonnet]

so an intentionally badly designed weapon?
doesnt sound very rosy

[compact tundra]

And again, you do not want medium to long range weapons on heavy, that throws off heavies balance heavily

[knotty citrus]

Why not 1. So the heavy has a long range silent weapon
2. It wouldn’t look like a reskin if you’ve actually seen and used a compound bow irl, you need a lot of strength to draw it back why it would be a good heavy weapon

[knotty citrus]

So every class but the heavy has a long range option? How is that fair balancing?

[cunning slate]

Bad? No.

Let me explain:
1 shot railgun
+aim for 4 seconds for max damage
+2 second reload
+can 1 shot HS heavy at full charge
-laser when aiming
-no hipfire

[cunning slate]

Heavy has 350 hp. I think if they wanted to add distance to the kit, they could add the XM7 to the game.

[shell sonnet]

im literally in an archery club irl
its not different enough to warrant being its own weapon

[shell sonnet]

what flaw were you speaking of then?
also, 1-shots suck
this is literally tf2's "do not exist where i can see you"
if the enemy can aim, you do not get to play the game
this should never exist

hope i dont sound mean

[knotty citrus]

I’m sorry but you being in archery club means nothing, you clearly haven’t used a compound bow or at least tested it against a recurve bc if you did you’d def feel the difference, tell me how two gears to help pull the bow back is the same as a recurved bow?

[cunning slate]

The point is to have one POWERFUL shot, rather than a couple STRONG shots. It's more about skill than power.

[knotty citrus]

It’s really not look up a pic of a compound bow vs a recurve and you will literally see the difference between the two bows

[cunning slate]

Same.

[muted condor]

So the KS?

[indigo nexus]

This sounds like a terrible idea. It would be way more effective versus heavies than any other class

[knotty citrus]

Recurve bow is literally made to be lightweight while the compound is made to have powerful shots lol

[muted condor]

Recurves aren’t all that much lighter than compounds

[cunning slate]

I get that.

I think if heavy gets an am rifle, light should get a "Heavy-be-gone"

[muted condor]

Dagger

[uneven kindle]

You have to consider not just the fun of the player using a weapon but also the players going against the weapon

[foggy ruin]

Double barrel already is a heavy be gone (as a light/med main)

[uneven kindle]

This weapon would be a non-issue in unskilled hands and then very uninteractive against a skilled user

[cunning slate]

How would you fix my idea, then? Im still new.

[muted condor]

Double barrel and dagger already toe the line on what should be allowed to kill heavies that fast

[uneven kindle]

I don't know, proper balanced weapon design is very complicated topic that I don't wanna spend time on

But I know to spot at a glance "this would be very unfun to play against"

I think some weapons that dance on the extreme, very powerful in one area and then very weak in others, are a hell for balance

[muted condor]

every shot gun

[uneven kindle]

Everything besides DB is more or less fine atm I think, it's just DB as the very example of that extreme. Unparalleled 1v1 close range power, but not good at anything else.

[muted condor]

They have managed to get light and heavy shotguns in a good spot now

I’m hoping they can figure out medium soon

[knotty citrus]

Ks23 could use a ammo buff ngl

[cunning slate]

And I enjoy the Cerb

[muted condor]

Cerb is cool but personally I think it’s kinda dog shit

It’s good in a 1v1 but I can never get it to work in any other situation

[cunning slate]

Yeah. Its great for support or pocket Medium, who's basically glued to a heavy or light.

[shell sonnet]

its literally not because i know the difference 😭
"you may use bows irl, but due to my criteria as to what feels different enough you obviously you dont know anything about bows" what kinda logic i that?

[knotty citrus]

I’ve used these exact bow myself you goob which is why I know the difference of what I’m talking about

[shell sonnet]

and you think i cannot possibly know because i dont agree with your opinion of it being different enough?

[muted condor]

They really aren’t different enough

[cunning slate]

Gameplay wise, the difference would only be in sound and desgin.

[knotty citrus]

Yall have clearly never seen a heavy ass compound bow in your life

[muted condor]

Lmao

Dude I own a $1,400 target set up

[spring spear]

it doesnt matter how different they are since i doubt theyll add another bow with how disliked the current one already is

[shell sonnet]

its disliked?
beyond spamming low charge shots i havent seen anything

[spring spear]

at most it'd be a skin for the current one

[cunning slate]

MAYBE add a sight and some explosive arrows. Even then, too similar.

[shell sonnet]

we'd probably be better of making a low rof crossbow with elemental utility arrows
for medium or smth

[indigo nexus]

that sounds extremely lame.

[cunning slate]

You deadass read my mind

[shell sonnet]

not like we dont already have 3 flavors of assault rifle and 2 dmrs
at least this would be something
maybe it could also have that 1 mechanic someone suggested for spear, where a certain kind of arrow can stick to walls and be vaulted with

[indigo nexus]

those are much nicer

[shell sonnet]

single shot weapons are a bit riky to add, they would practically require insane damage per shot, which leaves them prone to 1-shots

[cunning slate]

If they add an elephant gun, who'd get it?

[shell sonnet]

in general, weapons are getting kind of samey imo

[indigo nexus]

if they had a long reload.

[uneven kindle]

I'm still waiting for the fantasy and magic season where we get spells as weapons

[indigo nexus]

I wouldn't mind for example the pyro nade having a skin which made it look like some fireball spell, but I would be quite annoyed if they added spells as dedicated weapons

it would add too-narrow theming to loadouts that was quite at odds with the design philosophy of all the others

[uneven kindle]

I mean it would be super original in an fps and it would make complete sense in the game world of a virtual game show

[indigo nexus]

It really isn't a new concept.

[uneven kindle]

But yeah probably make them not good enough for meta so it could just be a fun random pick in casual games

[shell sonnet]

then they 1-shot someone, retreat + reload, 1-shot somebody, repeat
the receiving end keeps getting 1-shot
not fun, even if its "theoretically" balanced

[indigo nexus]

Anything "makes sense" but the game still has its own theming and design philosophy which personally I am a big fan of, so naturally you'd expect a lot of the game's fans to want it maintained

[cunning slate]

Didn't we have that talk with my railgun thing?

[uneven kindle]

No we had the talk of "this random thing one-shotting me without my input is unfun"

Obviously I don't want one shot nukes as spells or smth

[cunning slate]

Any of you know about the Luty SMG?

[muted condor]

I read that with a S at the beginning

[cunning slate]

I read that you could build it around shotgun shells. Or something like that.

Point is: open bolt, low damage, full auto shotgun for medium. I think a ghost gun not being in the game is a pity.

Yes, model is viable, yes Cerb works in 1v1s, but this would be the most optimal assist gun of all time.

[compact tundra]

I want a revolver with a seventh cylinder in the center of the 6 others that loads a shotgun shell that you fire as your alt fire.

So it's a 6 shooter with a shotgun shell in a cylinder in the middle that shoots from a second barrel under the first. Would probably be on medium

The primary fire is standard .22 magnum.

• 6 shots in clip
• very little hip spread, about the same spread as hip firing while crouched with current revolver. Can't ADS
• 70 damage per bullet, can't headshot
• .2 second buffer between shots, so can basically be fan hammered
• .4 second reload so missing is punishable but not a death sentence

Alt fire

• single fire shotgun round
• has a pellet spread similar to the current cerberus
• 110 damage on full meat shot
• .3 second buffer after firing
• reloads when pressing reload button, doesn't automatically trigger reload upon emptying

Light

• three .22 shots
• two .22 shots + QM
• one shell + one .22 shot

Medium

• four .22 shots
• 1 shell + two .22 shots

Heavy

• five .22 shots
• one shell + four .22 shots
• one shell + quick Melee + three .22

I want to add all the QM combos but for some reason it keeps getting blocked, I don't understand why

[cunning slate]

I like the idea, but it seems like the shotgun element is no better than QM.

Id have it so the shell offers an opening, make the max dmg 125, giving you better QM capacity.

[compact tundra]

Huh, QM is 40, the shotgun shell is 110. It's far better than QM

[cunning slate]

???

[compact tundra]

125 wouldn't really change any damage interactions, like medium is still 1 shell + 2 .22 and heavy is still 1 shell + 4 .22

They qm combos would also stay the same

[cunning slate]

If the full damage for the shell is 110, and light 150 hp, and QM is 40, why would I not QM to confirm the kill?

[compact tundra]

You should, I couldn't type that out because it kept blocking my message for some reason

[cunning slate]

Either way, I think it's a good concept. What class were you aiming for.

[compact tundra]

Medium

[cunning slate]

Really? Medium needs damage, but it felt like a light weapon. Still, Im ok with that.

[compact tundra]

It'd be a bit powerful on light given its hip-fire based.

[cunning slate]

True

[compact tundra]

Plus giving a light a medium ranged weapon that can also sword combo up close would be problematic

[tribal jolt]

hey guys is it just me that getting botherd by the iron sights that they didn't match the guns skins your currently equip?

[compact tundra]

Iron sights means without a sight, do you mean the equippable sights

[tribal jolt]

yes, i mean the equippable one's

[compact tundra]

Yes no one likes that the sights don't fit the skins, that's why running sights on revolver or model makes you a bitch

[tribal jolt]

its not that im using sight with those guns but wut i mean for example ar with vaiiya skin that is completely white then putting sight with just black (didn't match ths skin) just giving ick if u know wut i mean

[compact tundra]

No you're right. No one likes that sights don't match skins, just those two weapons in particular are affected hard by it.

[cunning slate]

What if they're "disabled"

[tribal jolt]

specially with the skins that have special effect n different visual models, like ex the v95 ray gun one, its just making the skin out of the aesthetic n theme

[compact tundra]

Disabled people don't exist, therefore their still a bitch. Plus theres no disability greater than looking like a bitch.

[cyan bone]

@hasty thistle thats the point, only 2 guns will be selected by sponsor points
Others perma locked

[dire harbor]

have the released which will be those weapon skins

[placid slate]

Module 1887

[compact tundra]

You do any medieval combat sports or just archery

[rich patrol]

what if a crossbow existed for medium or smth

[compact tundra]

I've always thought light should have a higher ttk healing crossbow. Especially now that H+ infuser exists, it should be reworked into a weapon so light has to trade there ttk for the ability to heal teammates

[rich patrol]

yea thats a valid concept

[chilly stone]

What do you guess the team loadout for the e-sports winning team will be?

[compact tundra]

Don't know about team comp but presuming it's a Light, Medium, Heavy.
If I had to guess It'd probably be

Light
Dash
Xp, Arn, 93R, or DB
Gateway
Glitch nade
Infuser

Medium
Dematerializer
Pike, revolver, or repeater
Jump pad or Zipline
Defib
Mines or poxy sense

Heavy
Winch
SA12, D-eagles, or Shak-50
Dome shield
Rpg
C4 or mines or smth

[muted condor]

Just archery

[compact tundra]

Damn, looking for a fellow buhurt brother in here

[muted condor]

Only target and 3D tournaments never did any bow hunting

[dire harbor]

Ah, i dont use shotties

[compact tundra]

Makes sense, got a friend who went to nationals for 3d

[muted condor]

Did he ever do the Redding shoot?

[compact tundra]

I don't know let me text her

[zenith summit]

how do you consistently land headshots with the akimbo? just aim at the upper torso and pray?

[compact tundra]

Skill, it's an unforgiving weapon

[zenith summit]

also do you tap it fast or just slow enough that it wont just go everywhere from the recoil

sorry just comparing it to CS

[compact tundra]

You'd need to ask a D-eagles main, I'm a light main

[compact tundra]

No she never did the redding shoot

[muted condor]

That was the main 3D I used to do

The venue got hit by a fire a few years back and really wasn’t as nice after

[near crag]

is this a good light loadout?

SH1200
tazer (I forgot its in-game name)
glitch
vanish-bomb

Dash

[compact tundra]

Most of the time when I saw her practicing it was on animal models, usually deer and I think turkeys

[muted condor]

That’s 3D, I primarily did indoor and field competitively

[compact tundra]

That's pretty close to meta

[compact tundra]

That's what I figured but I didn't know what the redding shoot was so I didn't know if it was a specific event or a different type of 3d archery

[muted condor]

Its a big thing on the west coast

[near crag]

would it be better with throwing knives (I'm on console, and can't really aim with the M11 or MP5

[compact tundra]

Ah, without doxxing myself. We live in the South

[compact tundra]

Double barrel is meta as hell. Throwing knives are also good but require sustained aim and have a higher ttk

[near crag]

alright, the way I'm used to playing is get in, kill whoever is doing the most dammage, and try to get out w/o dieing lol

[compact tundra]

Here was her response

The most I did was Center Shot and 3D through NASPA and my team/individually made it to worlds

[compact tundra]

Stick with double barrel, it dominates that play style

[indigo nexus]

it really isn't. It just is strong against disorganised teams

[muted condor]

Ah, NASPA is really cool

[near crag]

very much so, if the enemy team is closer togeth, I usually just support one of my teamates, but if their disorganized I can usually drop a team wipe

[compact tundra]

I mean yea, but the ability to insta kill anyone is going to be good in the right hands

And it's far less finicky than dagger

[near crag]

It can 2-shot a heavy with 1 headshot (feel free to fact check me on that)

[weak kernel]

it's not meta as much as it is light distilled- pubstomps unprepared teams like crazy and often gets shut out by strong teams

[compact tundra]

Shotguns don't headshot

[weak kernel]

getting into point blank in the first place and then not fucking up against groups that position well and shred you the second they get a glimpse of you is anxiety-inducing shit

especially considering if you go down you're literally on top of the enemy and you ain't getting saved

[compact tundra]

Yea that's fair. I just feel a slippery fucking gateway light could make it work

[near crag]

thats why you go after the dammage dealer/shot-caller first lol

[compact tundra]

In high Comp everyone is the damage dealer

[near crag]

I dont really play competative, Ive gotten verbaly abused by my teamates 1 to many times to have fun

[compact tundra]

Bro almost every time I get shit talked in ranked it's the bottom board yapping

[near crag]

I'm just ass at the game, so I stay on the bottom board lol

[indigo nexus]

it's more instakill 1/3rd of people...

[compact tundra]

Bro will be 2 & 6 and running his mouth about why I'm sword light in gold 1.

[compact tundra]

Yea by anyone I meant any one person

[near crag]

sword slaps, I run it every now and again, but prefer the SH

[indigo nexus]

I think meta is about nonexistent at gold 1

[near crag]

I dont really have a loadout for it though

[indigo nexus]

too low for strict standards to apply and too high for mechanically simple weapons to dominate

[compact tundra]

Yea you're right. I run fuckign grapple sword now

[indigo nexus]

it is fun.

[unique swallow]

Nerf CL this is META af

[near crag]

bro the china lake is a pump action greade launcher and you expect it not to be good?

[unique swallow]

'not to be good' my whole game is literally 2 team 3 CL's

[near crag]

damn

[muted condor]

We in cardboard 3 😭 🙏

[subtle minnow]

.

[muted condor]

.

[unique swallow]

in high plat lobby too

[near crag]

ok? I dont see what that proves.

[grave narwhal]

Is there any real counter to riot shield on medium besides melee?

[unique swallow]

You know what that prove, 3-6 CL jumping with jump pad with god tier movement and we can barely do anything because of double team

[near crag]

grnades, CL

[unique swallow]

Flame barrel

[near crag]

alright my bad.
damn

[plucky spade]

is it me or is ks too comfy to play now?

[grave narwhal]

Gun idea- slow firing lmg with a small mag that fires explosive rounds

Just checked patch notes, they bringing sledgehammer back from the grave?

[compact tundra]

God No

Bro the CL-40 already gets so much hate, we do not need an explosive LMG

[compact tundra]

Ks players really be looking for struggle

[near crag]

so you want to walk around with a FLAK gun?

[compact tundra]

Shooting their feet. There are videos on YouTube on how to counter the riot shield

[compact tundra]

I like the idea but it would be ass

[near crag]

it seems like fun, but good lord it would be so difficult to foigh agains unless you lower sensitivity

[weak kernel]

anti aircraft cannon that specifically blows up on people in midair to address the CL-40 complaint up there

[compact tundra]

A LMG that goo's people if there hit mid air

We went two very different but similar directions

[compact tundra]

Bruh it's actually dead in here today. I'm so close to ranking up as well. I'm gonna be hard stuck in piss role

[plucky spade]

Lmao cuh just you wait when people start playing model again

[compact tundra]

I've been playing model again, I feel like they should have buffed the reload time over the mag tho

Well never really stopped in the first place, model is fun as hell
Top 5 most fun weapons in the game for sure

[terse stone]

yea ts crazy nerf the model

[compact tundra]

What do you mean, they just buffed it

[woven shore]

that would be lit 😂

[compact tundra]

Oh you mean you want it nerfed again. Fuck that, the model is fine bruh

[woven shore]

who asks for a model nerf 😭

[somber jewel]

I want more environment guns. Like this OP turret you have to hop on.

[compact tundra]

I don't think that would work in this game

[stoic eagle]

i want a revolver that does 1 damage but makes you bleed for 8 seconds

[compact tundra]

Would have to be balanced tho, might be broken. Making it have a 1 bullet clip might work

[muted condor]

That’s just the cerb now lmao

[stoic eagle]

yeah you're right [BUFFED]

[compact tundra]

Na Cerb shreds at the range where you can see the sweat drizzle down there crack

[kind pumice]

Proximity sensor needs nerf. Just a better sonar grenade for medium and Heavy and makes them completely screw over melee (other than the devs themselves)

[compact tundra]

I think it's fine and most Melee weapons have ways on closing the distance or retreating anyways

[kind pumice]

If you're in debris and in the chaos you don't have the time to break such a small hitbox without sacrificing your hp. It's always a lose lose scenario and it's always present unless you break it unlike sonar.

[compact tundra]

Yes but the debris also blocks it's line of sight making avoiding it easier

[kind pumice]

It wouldn't be so bad if it couldn't track you through the tiniest cracks or have 11m of range.

[compact tundra]

It'd probably be hard to code it where line of sight needs a minimum size hole to see you. And I think the 11m is fair, maybe nerfing it to like 9m could work but that would make it far less useful at covering flanks

[kind pumice]

I can understand the range for lights or mediums running around, but any melee build against a semi competent team and its over before it started.

It just doesn't make sense to me for medium.

[compact tundra]

I'd say I disagree, I'm a sword main and it doesn't hurt me too much, just gotta be careful to not push like an idiot while tracked

[indigo nexus]

I don't think so. You'd just have to create like four more raycasts at a small distance, and check for hitbox intersections

However, this would mean that they became worse at detecting enemies around corners too

[kind pumice]

Yeah but if it's on cashout and last crescendo it's a lose lose.

Either you push and get detected, or you don't. Only option is to eliminate the team and that can go any which way or could get stuck in a revive battle and they stall you out.

[compact tundra]

If it's the first 2 rounds then there's so much going on during last cash that they honestly probably won't even chase you unless everyone else is dead. And as for final round, you can just ask your team to deal with them or use a glitch nade

[kind pumice]

I'mma be honest they probably should buff glitch grenade.

[compact tundra]

If your medium then your melee weapons are built around not being easy to gun down. If heavy then goo gun, winch, or mesh shield would work fine

[kind pumice]

Heavy makes sense for having proximity sensor to compensate for speed, but medium effectively abuses it.

Just doesn't make sense game wise.

[compact tundra]

It makes sense with the being team players. It's less a use for them and more a use for their team

[kind pumice]

That's agreeable. Still hoping they take it off of medium and just let Heavy keep it.

[wary zinc]

love the famas

dawg i’m just tryna level up 💔

[compact tundra]

Nu-uh, no level up for the dirty roof rat

Me and my sword homies hate FAMAS and your stupid accurate head shots

[wary zinc]

just fight back brodie ❤️

[compact tundra]

No. Me can't reach roof, roof too high

[upper kayak]

Anyone else having their first gateway randomly disappear before even throwing the second one? Is that a new change they made or am I crazy?

[winter jay]

It’s buggy as hell

[upper kayak]

That's dumb af, I've lost games cause of that multiple times today

[winter jay]

Yea it’s annoying. I’ve had another bug where throwing it underhanded just launches it way further than normal. I don’t see anyone talk about it though

[shell sonnet]

I think the first one cant exist over pits
Butnwouldnt suprise me ifnits just bugs

[kind pumice]

Nah the gateway legit sometimes just doesn't activate. Like it refuses and you have to rethrow it (it can happen on ground or in air)

[normal ice]

It IS buggy, but just in case you weren't aware, it is intentionally designed to make the 1st gateway disappear if you go 70m out

You may have reached that 70m limit

[compact tundra]

It's most likely to happen if thrown over the void, I think to stop greifing

[upper kayak]

Ik that, I'm talking about when I throw it up at the ceiling or corner of an objective. It randomly stops working even tho I stay within like 30m of it

[compact tundra]

Could be server issues not sure. It is a bug prone item tho

[stoic garden]

or to make it harder for people to wipe reckless teams with it

[compact tundra]

But see like if they walk through it, that's there fault. W grapple light

[stoic garden]

true embark should make it happen

[compact tundra]

I kinda wish embark allowed more fun shit in the game. Like I miss goo launchers so much

Peak sledge

[stoic garden]

goo ships my beloved...

[warped ether]

"Where's my team?"
=> The 2 heavies with me

love it tho

[compact tundra]

Sledge has never been the same for me since it's removal. And I don't understand why. It was fun but not viable, I don't know a single person who wanted goo launchers gone

[cunning slate]

What

[compact tundra]

Watch the clip

[cunning slate]

Valid.

[compact tundra]

I used to be such a liability when this was in the game. Would spend 3 minutes setting it up just to jump a gap at a near useless spot, and then just end up falling in anyways. This was peak glue sniffing heavy for me

[warped ether]

I mean embark can accept killing people into coins but mentally scarring contestants with aviary fleets of goo is too much

[compact tundra]

God I miss the planes. 1 heavy to set them up and 2 flame throwers to parachute down. Never worked but God it was fun

[cunning slate]

Chainsaw

[warped ether]

something that is fun and is back is sledge itself.

man, being able to 2hit a heavy feels so great.

[compact tundra]

One day sword will return, I have faith.

[muted condor]

Us spear enjoyers in even more shambles

https://tenor.com/view/gosling-sad-gosling-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-snow-gosling-snow-gif-6845320348811377304

[warped ether]

Spear need to be throwable or smth. I've actually never seen spear perform well a part in that platform mode.

[fallen shard]

ANTICHEAT WHEN????????????? OBVIOUS CHEATERS EVERY GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! only 50 iq kids with 0 movement and full cheats they think they are the best and just say get good when they are clearly hacking... please add ID verification and AI anticheat and if you catch someone cheating perma ban for life!!!

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-hyena-gif-18356484

TO THE HYENA PIT WITH YOU

[dusty reef]

The model needs a small damage buff. Not much, just a tad bit.

[compact tundra]

No I stand on my hill now. Spear should have a throwable alt fire and the current alt fire should happen when holding the primary fire.

[dusty reef]

This game legit is overtaken with cheaters. These guys legit don't even know what they are doing but have no miss aim. You can tell when someone is good and when a team is good, but when someone with no awareness, no movement, and no idea how to play can never miss, it baffles me.

[kind pumice]

Dual blades suck

[kind pumice]

That's a great idea.

[compact tundra]

Throw stones at this man

[kind pumice]

They're fun but so much effort 😭

[compact tundra]

Thank you

[compact tundra]

Hmm, valid point. But should probably still be stoned

[kind pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-cat-kedy-mutlukedy-gif-5853214187617629569

Did they mess with AK spread I used to be pretty decent but at the same time I forgot my last settings because update bonked them.

[plucky spade]

nuh uh

[muted condor]

This is true

[foggy ruin]

ngl i dont see cheaters at all, ive only seen one

and they got banned

[kind pumice]

M11 needs to be nerfed

[dire harbor]

why m11, its only weapon i use on lights

[kind pumice]

Triple light m11 completely invalidates Heavy

[foggy ruin]

um m11 does not need a nerf ngl

[kind pumice]

Reload speed needs nerf

By the time you load even a shell for grenade launcher they already all have their magazines back

[dire harbor]

3 heavy vs 3 lights in H2H, lights got murdered

[dusky sentinel]

I love the H+ Infuser its so good

[eternal mortar]

bruhhh infuser is fire asl

[foggy ruin]

#buffhealbeam

[restive prairie]

can we fix 1887 reload cancel?

[dusky sentinel]

nah fr

[kind pumice]

Better be getting a glitch specialization if that ever happens.

[kind pumice]

I was single heavy there was no saving

[foggy ruin]

why

[kind pumice]

When heal beam was how it was in s4 it was always triple medium spamming each other (even besides defib was busted at the time)

[foggy ruin]

I dont want it to be broken ofc, i just want it to be able to compete with the litteral gadgets

[kind pumice]

It simply won't be because then why would you use the gadget, one is slow and one is fast.

I mean you could but idk it sounds like it wouldn't pan out well.

Already bad enough every class can heal each other now.

[foggy ruin]

I mean if you were light or heavy you would still use the gadgets because thats the only way you can heal.

i mean they could just technically nerf the gadgets to make heal beam viable again (for good healing)

[kind pumice]

But then it was just be triple medium or double medium and other two class either or with their healer gadget

[kind pumice]

They should

[muted condor]

Chuck is perfect but the H+ is over tuned

[sudden pewter]

Chuck is balanced, H+ is OP

[teal arch]

Nerf demat

[foggy ruin]

fair

[teal arch]

If defib was moved or light would medium still be used? Maybe heavy would have defib due to low movement

I would be cool with defib being moved if they got gun buff on weapons other than the pike

Gas mine + demat is so cancer on some cash outs

[restive prairie]

gl is now useless :d

[muted condor]

This take is so raw it’s still shitting

[alpine ridge]

wish they'd just delete defib honestly. teaches such awful game sense

[teal arch]

We gotta shake up med it’s stale af

[foggy ruin]

Agree

[cunning slate]

How?

[foggy ruin]

we just gotta do it bro, you gotta trust me

[cunning slate]

G11

[mint lotus]

Should make a sword and shield skin for the riot shield and a wizard staff for the Grenade launcher

[cunning slate]

Full auto hipfire, 3 round hyperburst while ads

[shrewd warren]

Which grenade launcher (I'm assumnig you mean the CL-40)

[mint lotus]

Yessir

[dense oasis]

They could probably do something like the Abakan, with the 1800 RPM 2-round burst that precedes auto fire

[cunning slate]

For a G11? Unless you think an AN-94 would be useful for medium, G11 sounds better.

[honest siren]

As a gun for a girl who doesn't know what she's doing ... SA1216 or SHAK-50?

[winter jay]

shak

[vocal saddle]

Embark for the love of God BUFF THE DUAL BLADES
The fact practically everything can counter them is ridiculous

The 90% deflection does not help, I literally have to bawl my eyes out every time I see a dual blades user bc they just stand there and eat bullets like it's a riot shield

[foggy ruin]

Definetly not me

[vocal saddle]

I have a damn 4-PAGE REVIEW, count em, 4 PAGES on how to make the blades better, there's so many options to choose from, PLEASE

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/plug-shoebody-bop-ritual-cult-gif-383974090492735392

[vocal saddle]

I wanna send it rn, do I send it here?

[mossy ibex]

Increase the sledgehammer’s damage to 110

[whole herald]

Increase light melee damage to 110

[boreal laurel]

ShAK. 1216 is good but much harder to learn.

[vocal saddle]

It's gonna be like those "day # of doing this until someone notices"

Day 1 of pitching my ideas to make the Dual Blades better
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gQf6ocgnqo3YdNr1LFKwb_bNSxzLp7RE-B0DL2Q98C4/edit?usp=sharing

[calm ermine]

Curious for the Marble mobster skin and the marble Majesty both skins for the F-car shouldnt the magazine on the Marble majesty be White instead of black to be the oppiste of the Marble majesty Color scheme??

along with the handle

[lilac hemlock]

I think... ARN-220 should get increased damage from 17 to 18

Make this gun so it can fight AKM, Fcar, and Famas players
worry about OP? No worry. We have only 150 HP

[verbal locust]

Is the light class AR any good?

[weary sand]

i want a p90 for the medium class

[restive plover]

Its has a slower ttk but it can absolutely beam you at range

[median goblet]

would a meteor ball not be the most iconic finals weapon ever

[tidal gust]

yo guys can u tell me how to level up weapon fast?

[median goblet]

it's based on xp earned while using a weapon so there's not really any ways to min max that sorry

[tidal gust]

but if i get more eliminations teh i will get more xp or no

[median goblet]

generally yes but going exclusively for kills in most cashout based modes can earn you less xp overall

[tidal gust]

oh ok

coz im grinding death matches all night and i only get like 1-2k xp per game

[median goblet]

I may be totally wrong but I usually get the most xp going between different modes. Also helps to complete weekly contracts if you still need to do that

[tidal gust]

okok ill try thx

[obsidian nexus]

shak might be a little too good

[twin coral]

maybe it would be cool if we have an ability that can combine with one another.

[tired drum]

Embark should take the tripwires from the steal the spotlight ltm and make them a gadget

Preferably for like heavy or medium

[cunning slate]

Heavy.

[stoic garden]

Heavier.

[teal arch]

I feel like they need a different specialization. Turret is completely useless so it feels like they have two options, with one clearly being better than the other. Maybe give them sonar grenade back in exchange for something. I feel like medium is the least fluid in their choices for gadgets and specs. Also most of their guns are mundane at this point

[tall topaz]

add vehicles like in battlefield

[frosty jasper]

I’m one game off diamond on ps5. I use light with dash, infuser, gateway, and glitch nade. What gun/s should i use?

[indigo nexus]

well, whatever you're best with I suppose... the balance is too close for another person to be able to guess as well as yourself, in the short term

[obsidian nexus]

93r, shak painpoints of balance rn

[spark igloo]

arn and 93r are both good and work very well with aim assist

[spark igloo]

its very good

[obsidian nexus]

93r too broken still

[blissful light]

Any builds i should try with Heavy? I've been running mostly default gadgets with akimbo

[frosty jasper]

What about m11?

[frosty jasper]

Even after nerf?

[modest lynx]

10rpm is Marginal for a burst gun

Its barely any different

[indigo nexus]

I think it was the standard pattern of a slight buff becoming exaggerated in the minds of the playerbase over time, leading to a small nerf no longer being percieved as counteractive

[indigo nexus]

that's to the time between bursts, not the burst itself, if you weren't aware

[modest lynx]

I know

It's still effective at its intended purpose, I haven't felt it change the gun very much, but I play sword so maybe I just expect balance changes to rework the identity of a weapon

[modest lynx]

Is Famas still 220 or are they the same now?

[spark igloo]

well balanced and good but not the top of the line

[frosty jasper]

Does that make it less of a nerf?

How good is nullifier?

[indigo nexus]

no, it just sounded like they might be mistaken

if it applied to the burst itself (which is approx 1000rpm), 10rpm would be a much smaller loss

[spice cloak]

What if they made it so turret would shoot gadgets as well like barricades, prox, sonar

[indigo nexus]

that could lead to turrets shooting at a barricade for a flat minute...

it works as a buff assuming appropriate target prioritisation, but I'm not sure it's a nice one

[indigo nexus]

Yes, it is 220

[spice cloak]

Yeah they’d need prioritization and could also buff the dmg to gadgets

[indigo nexus]

nerf was minor but not negligible

here's a comparison against the XP now

[modest lynx]

it ain't really gonna do much in the bigger picture, but if you main it you feel type nerf?

[indigo nexus]

I don't think the human brain is precise enough to feel it in a way that is much better than guessing based on a small sample of info regarding its performance / your presumptions about how big the nerf should be

[daring tendon]

is the SR-84 good?

[indigo nexus]

meta-wise no, but if you're particularly good at aiming it does well in casual games and is quite viable in power shift / terminal attack

[daring tendon]

what are some meta guns for light? i have every gadget but the healing one

[indigo nexus]

ARN, 93r, maybe XP, M11 and M26 Matter

it doesn't matter much unless you're grinding ruby, as they're quite closely balanced

[daring tendon]

ok

is nullifier good?

[placid slate]

Placebo is definitely a factor in the effect of nerfs, some character in league of legends didn't receive any nerfs, but nerfs were listed in the patchnotes, and his win rate went down a sizable amount despite no changes

[restive prairie]

shield needs an attack time nerf.

[indigo nexus]

That's a neat example

[sudden pewter]

China gaslighting players as per usual

Surely glorious Embark (beloved by all) is above such measures

[restive prairie]

is it just me or minigun does not feel viable at ALL?

[indigo nexus]

many people consider it top tier

but it is hard to use well in most respects

[restive prairie]

it feels so sluggish and dmg doesnt feel good

it takes so long to kill even a light

[sudden pewter]

You disrespect the Minigun at your own peril peasant

[indigo nexus]

best dps in the game. On the high-hp class, mind you.

[sudden pewter]

It feels sluggish because if it wasn’t it would be an SSS tier weapon

Mind, even with its drawbacks it’s my most used Heavy primary

[restive prairie]

at 20M its practically useless against a medium tho...

even with centre of mass aim.

[blissful light]

Is it just me or is the MGL for Heavy very inconsistent i like the gun because lots of booms, but i can't seem to hit anyone

[sudden pewter]

Don’t take engagements at 20m 🤓

[blissful light]

Wild

[restive prairie]

ah yes that makes 100% logical sense...

[sudden pewter]

Yeah, fight within your effective range!

[indigo nexus]

since the mode is objective based there are quite often ways to force the fight to come to you. However bad the minigun is at 20m (not THAT bad) there are several other weapons that are much worse!

you just really need to not get caught unawares

[sudden pewter]

Thinking ahead makes the minigun shine

You forgo any measure of stealth by revving up but it’s better to be loud than unprepared

[blissful light]

Assuming im playing on my effective range, im still not able to do well with it

[sudden pewter]

It takes some time to get used to, you aren’t able to be as reactive in fights due to the spin-up, and your mobility is greatly reduced

In defensive scenarios you’re a wall of lead, and excel at holding areas.

But offensively you have to use cover and shields to enable yourself time to ready the gun and not die immediately afterward

[blissful light]

I just can't defend myself against stuff like shotgun lights

[alpine niche]

what are the ars/smgs that I won't have to ADS with a lot?

[deft swan]

ADS is pretty important for most ars and smgs

[misty rivet]

If i headshot with revolver does it one shot a light and a medium or just light

[alpine niche]

I don't think it one shots anyone

I think it just gets a light down to like 10 health

[misty rivet]

Ohh okay

[sudden pewter]

M11 has relatively decent hipfire, as does the burst pistol

Shotguns also don’t have hipfire penalty in this game(excluding Heavies KS23), allowing you to stay mobile

[cobalt mango]

When did they make the goo gun unable to move cashouts? Can't find it in any patch notes

[foggy ruin]

if your playing light i think the m11 is actually better without ads

[modest lynx]

2 health,its a terrifying and hard to forget a good revo heady

[indigo nexus]

they will die before they get their next shot off, if you aim alright

the ttk is extremely low

[blissful light]

Issue is that the grenades don'¡t explode fast enough for me to get damage in

[indigo nexus]

2

[stoic garden]

yes, advertisements are distracting

[plucky spade]

ok garmin
KS-23 overpoweren

[clever cloud]

Meta loadout for every class?

[chilly stone]

sonar grenade for every class

[swift agate]

Oneshots are generally quite rare and are mostly limited to light-on-light interactions

[woven shore]

M - Famas or Pike with demat. Jump pad, goo, defib
H - Sa12 / Shak winch, dome, rpg, c4
L - not too sure, i dont play

[stoic garden]

L - Arn220 or 93r with dash gateway, glitch grenade and h+ infuser

[boreal laurel]

No MP5?

[plucky spade]

once again

fuck the db

and idc if it's not optimal in current meta, it's toxic

[stoic garden]

it's slightly worse than both of those two

[stoic garden]

https://tenor.com/view/wolfenstein-shotgun-gif-21872660

[terse stone]

cerbius is back

[stoic garden]

kinda yea

[unborn stream]

Best gadgets to use for light??

Db is so easy to counter it’s not even funny yet people still complain about it

[stoic garden]

scroll a lil bit up, we talked about loadouts

if you dont have heavies on your team or they're hopelessly bad, consider swapping off h+ if you desire

[stone willow]

whould u guys say the lockbolt is a meta gadget for heavy or its buns?

[vocal saddle]

I feel lockbolt needs a small nerf to its health, to me it's stupid how many times you have to melee it or shoot it while it lasts for 5 seconds. This is the same thing as season 1's stun gun where it stops you from doing anything and there's really no counterplay besides ACTUALLY eliminating the person who stopped you, and even then that's hard considering you have serious restricted movement.

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-meme-gif-12137471669824236660

[stone willow]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-sad-eyes-big-eyes-black-gif-15621424004514858751

just shoot it

[sudden pewter]

Sounds like a LIGHT

[stone willow]

you play heavy?

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281411010846265374/1368840910577860628/IMG_4648.gif

[stone willow]

i need a loadout, im running deagles with rpg goo gren and fire gren

[vocal saddle]

I play dual blades-

[stone willow]

🥀

[sudden pewter]

Counterplay’d

[sudden pewter]

Why pyro nade

[stone willow]

ive been using it since season 1, its so good to dmg them fast. whichs with deagles, also, i have it lvl 5, which make it one of my favorite

[sudden pewter]

When using Deagles I use barricade. You can cut your hitbox in 1/2 by peeking the sides, as well as blocking doorways or ratholes

[vocal saddle]

Day 2 of pitching my ideas to make the Dual Blades better
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gQf6ocgnqo3YdNr1LFKwb_bNSxzLp7RE-B0DL2Q98C4/edit?usp=sharing

[stone willow]

bringing swords to a gun fight, what a peasant

[sudden pewter]

It don’t matter what day it is bro just plop it in #👂┇game-feedback with the rest of the garbage

[vocal saddle]

At least it's engaging-

[stone willow]

play deagles, youll feel like a real man

btw deagles 2 tap a light main, gulp

[sudden pewter]

I regret reading the doc, already seeing a lot of bad juju

[vocal saddle]

I have, it's meh
If I play heavy I just use m60 or sledge

[placid slate]

Favourite gun

[sudden pewter]

Your mention of a “heal meta” hurting the dual blades is poop. There isn’t a heal meta. H+ is just OP

[placid slate]

Sledge is for wimps, spear is for real men

[stone willow]

nah there is, most team run healing pod on heavy with heal ray and heal gun

[sudden pewter]

Spear chads hunter/gathering light kills

[vocal saddle]

But having 3 flamethrower heavies in a corner with healing balls isnt annoying, is it?

[stone willow]

cmon, yk most of the time its only 2

[placid slate]

That and meds and heavies being fed to the creatures that inhabit the bottom of the pits

[sudden pewter]

No, heal emitter heals less the more players are attached to it. And the flamethrower has very limited range

[placid slate]

That's bs, same heals regardless

[sudden pewter]

Nyuh Uh

[vocal saddle]

Yeah ik that, but when you multiply 1/3 by 3, you get 1
Which means each heavy has their own healing ball
Best I can do is throw a pyro in there and hope they move

[placid slate]

Yuh uh

[sudden pewter]

Healing Emitters have incredibly low health and can be very easily destroyed, or thrown away 🤷‍♂️

They’re very balanced

[vocal saddle]

I don't think the healing emitter is op, I think it's fine. the H+ infuser obviously is annoying asf-

[sudden pewter]

H+ isn’t annoying, it’s overpowered

[placid slate]

Nah its not incredibly low, it's serviceable as a self reset

[vocal saddle]

Yeah ik

[sudden pewter]

Very poorly designed on Embarks part. Outdoes the healing spec in every measure that matters

[vocal saddle]

They do need to do somn with the healing beam tho

[sudden pewter]

It cuts a Heavies reset from 16s to around 12(varying in severity of wounds)

[placid slate]

Deadass could have original health values but like 10 shots

Burst vs sustain when compared to beam

Youd get more value out of beam overtime, but the infuser would work excellent in high stress situations

[sudden pewter]

It needs something regardless, Infuser instawins engagements because the Heavy is fully healed immediately

[vocal saddle]

Medium should be allowed to have a healing grenade or somn like that, healing beam can overheat and can be outdamaged while heavy is infinite and light heals you almost instantly

[placid slate]

Just manage heat better?

[stone willow]

as a medium you are the igl, your light should be the one doing the poking and dmg, and your most of the time with your heavy, so why whould you need a healing grenade?

[sudden pewter]

I wouldn’t mind a blueberry on demand for Medium

[stone willow]

any1 got a good deagle build for heavy?

[sudden pewter]

It’d have to be substantial enough to warrant swapping double mobility or defib though

[vocal saddle]

The point is medium has a drawback while H+ infuser can instantly negate the damage someone did while heavy's ball can keep you healed until destroyed

Not to mention the fact the healing beam is a specialization, not a gadget

[vocal saddle]

Cuz healing beam is not worth playing atm?

[sudden pewter]

To say healing beam is bad or doesn’t have value is foolhardy and false. It’s a decent spec, it’s just completely overtaken by Lights healing gadget

The issue isn’t beam, it’s H+

[vocal saddle]

Which is why healing beam is almost never used- why waste a whole specialization when you can instantly heal someone or indefinitely heal someone and just sacrifice a gadget slot?

[sudden pewter]

If you throw more shade at my beloved healing emitter (loved by all) you will be stoned Ishallah

HealBeams lack of popularity is largely due to the power of DeMat, and the healing of H+

[vocal saddle]

Which is why not a lot of people use it-

[sudden pewter]

Yes, none of the reasons stated above is the direct fault of the HealBeam itself

If the H+ didn’t exist, HealBeam would still be the King Healthcare

[vocal saddle]

Which is what I was trying to say-
Demat is strong (overtakes heal beam)
H+ infuser is strong (overtakes heal beam)
Healing Emitter is fine imo (a better choice in general since heavy has more health and can heal infinitely until destroyed)

[vocal saddle]

I agree on that-

[placid slate]

Also demat powercrept every other form of holepunching

[sudden pewter]

Demat is popular, it doesn’t overshadow HealBeam because they’re two different utilities (it’s just more popular)

H+ is strong, it overshadows HealBeam because it’s a gadget that does what a spec does better and with less risk

[placid slate]

Think about it: best teamcomp rn is LMH, would you rather pick the best spec in the game, which is also the only counter to itself, or would you pick heal beam

[sudden pewter]

I agree completely.
My only gripe is you said LMH, when everybody knows and unanimously agrees it’s HML.

||Source:||

[vocal saddle]

Ik that they're 2 different utilities, but the demat is just more versatile and easier to use- the heal beam you have to manage overheat, it's a specialization, and needs control over you dying, or your teammate dying, that's my point
There's more risks of healing beam than the H+ infuser and the healing emitter

[placid slate]

Demat is a large part of the issue now that HML is the main comp, changes could theoretically remove light from the teamcomp meta again and revert shit back to HMM

[sudden pewter]

Yes, that’s part of the design issue with H+.
It heals faster, with less risk to the user, and is a gadget where the healbeam is a spec

[placid slate]

It's essentially a fuckass minefield where one wrong step leads to light being pointless again

[sudden pewter]

100%
Demat is a very powerful utility and its existence is meta defining

[vocal saddle]

Exactly

[sudden pewter]

I want to say Demat and Winch are the two most damaging specs in terms of game health

As for the H+, it should have never left the design room. Even on paper anyone there should have seen how problematic it is.

If it was something like a skillshot or some form of projectile one could at least make the argument that there’s a skill-based element to the healing. But there isn’t!

[placid slate]

10 shots would've been fine

[vocal saddle]

Winch is annoying to play against in every match fr
Plus the registration where you can get hooked and pulled around a wall is dumb

[placid slate]

It's a game of numbers

[sudden pewter]

I love winch and I am 100% bias but it definitely needs some tweaking

[placid slate]

My issue is that mfs would nerf winch and still refuse to give spear buffs

[vocal saddle]

I've tried winch and it feels a bit cheaty, especially when you combine that with lockbolt

[sudden pewter]

Cheaty?

[stone willow]

best heavy loadout any1?

[vocal saddle]

When you shoot someone and then yoink them towards you with that extra half a second or so to just shoot them again

Ngl I think it would be funny if you could use the winch like a lasso and 1990 Batman wall walk upwards

[sudden pewter]

• Winch/Mesh
• Shak
• C4
• RPG
• Dome Shield

[stone willow]

aight thats mostly my loadout but why c4

i used to play it alot on season 1 but now its so bad

[sudden pewter]

You can stall the cashout station, or use it offensively. C4 can almost instagib lights

[stone willow]

so basicaly a better rpg?

[sudden pewter]

It’s got a deceptively long range when you throw it correctly. It does not replace RPG, but it is just as flexible

The big difference is that C4 doesn’t need LoS to be effective

[sudden pewter]

If you want, you can replace the RPG with a Lockbolt

[stone willow]

idk about the lock bolt

[sudden pewter]

It’s very good

[stone willow]

im using it rn and i dont think i like it, maybe im just bad tho

[sudden pewter]

You can use it to separate teams, walk the cashout station, prevent inserts, and mitigate lights mobility

[median goblet]

It can completely shut down lights which are generally your biggest threat as a heavy

[sudden pewter]

It’s very strong, and useful in a variety of situations

[median goblet]

Lockbolt and winch together basically let's you control where all your enemies are positioned which can be a fight winning move

[sudden pewter]

Mobility is survivability, and being able to displace enemies or mitigate an enemy teams mobility is huge

Even if a Light throws a gateway and travels through the portal, if it’s lockbolted it’s yanked back at superspeed

Heck, I’d argue the Lockbolts mobility inhibiting trait is secondary to the panic it causes (at least at lower skill brackets)

[stone willow]

i wont lie light are easy to deal with when u use deagles, 2 hs and they gone

[sudden pewter]

Sure, players can shoot the anchor. It’s very hard to miss. But in the heat of the moment lots of players will scramble for cover or try to wait it out

[stone willow]

im so sorry u were right theres 3 heavy with flamethrowers in my tournament

[vocal saddle]

Yeeeeeaaaaahhh that sounds fun, now imagine that in almost every quick cash game you play 🥲

[versed finch]

in 60% of ps games i play there's atleast 2 flamethrowers

[plucky spade]

excuse me

is embark not buffing spear because for some reason the first two spins of the alt fire, emote cancel and quick melee kill a medium in a second (?)

[sturdy glade]

I haven't played since season 2 or 3, which weapons/gadgets are the best now?

I main medium and heavy for the most part, but light is fun so I dabble with them in qc

[stone willow]

what do you play rn? like your role

[stone willow]

for heavy scroll up

[stone willow]

this

[sturdy glade]

back in the day I would run fcar/ak with heal beam, frag jump pad and defib

on heavy I ran lewis with shield, bubble rocket and c4

[sudden pewter]

I still run FCAR - HealBeam - Defib - Double Mobility

[sturdy glade]

jump pad and zip?

[sudden pewter]

If there’s a Heavy on my team I’m bringing HealBeam. End of story

[sturdy glade]

100

I just feel like shield isnt that good anymore with the losing hp every time you put it down and the base hp is so little now

[sudden pewter]

What, Mesh? Winch is pretty strong tbf and Mesh juggling killed slower weapon options afaik

[sturdy glade]

yeah i also used to use the 4 burst shotty I forget what it's called

just jump in and out of shield bursting with shotty

[shell sonnet]

heavies sa1216?

[sturdy glade]

yeah i think that's what it's called

[sudden pewter]

An easy method to remember the name:
Heavy Seems Aggravated when lights are present

Lights shotgun is easy because they use it to Sexually Harrass Heavies

[swift bridge]

I don’t know if there’s like a dev in here or something but the sword needs like 20 more degrees horizontally during secondary lunge attack

[sudden pewter]

My name is D. Veloper and I’m going to suggest you keep doodoofeces takes in the designated garbage bin. #👂┇game-feedback

[stone willow]

Game D. Veloper, The head dev

[sudden pewter]

Nobody is allowed to use the sword. We will keep nerfing it until Lights stop using it and we can completely rework it without anyone whining - Embark probably

[normal ice]

I will whine about it

If old Sword has no fans, I'm dead

[sudden pewter]

Sword definitely needed to be toned down but I do agree they went too far with it initially.

I actually really like the idea of the aim clamp forcing players to commit and aim 😱 their lunges.

[normal ice]

I just wish it didn't actually lock the camera

Limit the hitbox, fine, but the camera shit feels awful

[sudden pewter]

If it didn’t, Lights would complain about the lunge not working

“I was looking at him and it didn’t hit!!!!”

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t

[normal ice]

The difference could be shown with the on-screen viewmodels

Sword leaves hand = sword is not hitting in front of you

[sudden pewter]

You’d still get a very vocal portion of players unable to grasp such a simple measure, but I agree with you

The clamp exists to limit the weapon, ideally it shouldn’t hinder your ability to look around and gather visual information

Throw it onto the melee rework pile

[normal ice]

It's a shame this game actually has genuinely interesting melee ideas and keeps them all dogshit

Best melee weapon rn is honestly the lamest one

[sudden pewter]

Sledge?

[normal ice]

Riot Shield

[sudden pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/437863525965365249/1399490368285835475/mauzy.carrd.co_watermark_dupecut_20fps.gif

[normal ice]

I like using it, don't get me wrong. I just think it's the least interesting

The right click is borderline useless. That alone speaks to its design flaws

[sudden pewter]

It has uses, they’re just so niche it isn’t worthwhile 90% of the time

Oh cool I can approach enemies in relative safety but I walk slower!

Or, I could just crab walk with my left side facing the enemy

Wow I can block flashbangs by raising my shield! Or, just not look at them.

[normal ice]

It's hard to tell because the animations are so monstrously fucked up, but I'm pretty sure just crouching covers more of your body than the right click does

[sudden pewter]

Embark has ideas for melee but generally misses the mark with implementation

Mind I’m no scientist and I probably couldn’t do better but I don’t need to be a chef to know when food tastes bad

And right now outside maybe the sledge most of the melee options taste bad

[normal ice]

I don't think the 175 overhead makes it worth using yet tbh

I wish left click did 110. Or 109 at the very least

[sudden pewter]

I too miss the days of LMB + QM killing Lights

I am once again asking Embark to remove melee aim assist from spear and let it two tap lights

[timber sparrow]

Embark when fortnite funny moments #18

[vocal stone]

What do you think about cerberus buff? I really like it now but I wish the fire damage could stack up, so that you don't need to wait between shots to kill heavy for example. I mean, it seems like it's the only weapon(that has a magazine) that can't finish a heavy with all it's magazine without applying certain timings

[astral cedar]

I understand your feeling about the heavy 3 shot needing timing, but at least you can quick melee.
Fire buff was beyond late, that was needed in season 5.

But I have no idea how to make it 3 shot without some other evil interaction appearing on the other classes

[sudden pewter]

3 taps Heavies and it goes back to 2 tapping lights again

[jolly pine]

Cerb is one of those balacing hell guns were if they do anything to it it makes it meta or it just stays mid until another buff. Also i feel like is one of those guns that are not fun to go against, so im fine with the gun not being good

[analog prairie]

pike-556 is underrated fr

been steam rolling in WT with it!

[foggy ruin]

Its not underatted bruv, its litterally considered meta.

[analog prairie]

didnt know that, returning player here lol

i just never see anyone use it

[foggy ruin]

ah, prob bc your in wt and thats a preety casual gamemode

[analog prairie]

is it pretty common in comp?

[foggy ruin]

as far as im aware it is, i mostly grind wt too but i ussually get nuked by them when i play comp

[lucid marsh]

It’s not underrated at all, it’s arguably the best medium weapon lol

[weary eagle]

Yeah its a tough one. You can demat it down if you are not on the ground. You can goo yourself off and wait it out or reflect enemies while they push you. If they push you you still get a lunge and it will overpower the lockbolt. But if its 3 enemies pushing you its prob gg if you are lockbolted

[vocal saddle]

The lockbolt lasts 8 seconds which to me is crazy- if they can nerf the dome shield, they can nerf the lockbolt
I'm not a lockbolt main, but I feel 6 seconds is fair enough.

[weary eagle]

Heavy has alot of direct combat gadgets which makes it tough to take a good one down with dual blades. Best way to deal with them is make them waste their gadgets/abilities. Winch/rpg will ruin your day if you try to fight one and they land those two

Idk if lockbolt needs a nerf. Its honestly the least worrisome part of a heavies kit for me

If anything dual blades should deal more dmg to the enviorment that would counter it. Embark has adjusted enviormental damage before and it would make it so you can kill the lockbolt faster. Rn it takes a solid 3 seconds to kill it with the blades which is a bit much

Side point im seeing so many dual blades in charlies lobbies. I didnt realize it was such a popular weapon in low elo

I see a fellow dual blades player like once every 100 games

[vocal saddle]

That's what I usually try to do, I have started running glitch mine to stop heavies from running at me and practically stunning me twice with no means of counterplay. If you get lockbolted, you're stuck there for 8 whole seconds, which is kind of insane to me- I feel like the lockbolt should last 5-6 seconds and decrease the health of the lockbolt point just a smidge. Trying to break the anchor WHILE someone (or more) is shooting/hitting you for 8 seconds is a guaranteed free kill. Take note that the stun gun back in season 1 lasted 5 seconds and people weren't happy about that. I also kinda feel that winch should be deployed (make the heavy lasso it before throwing) so it deters players from engaging and if they do they deserve to get yoinked.

[vocal saddle]

Really? For me it's almost a week that I get to see 1 of them. More people obviously run riot shield more now bc of the buff- also I tried this out in the practice range, the riot shield is 0.10 seconds faster than the dual blades, so it's just better in that as well, especially in a game where every second counts.

[young night]

Are there any defensive builds for heavy?

Like full defense, i tried dome, mesh shield, barricade and goo grenade and that felt like garbage

[brazen mango]

Mesh movement

@compact tundra funny mesh clip in case ur interested

[analog prairie]

man i already said i didnt know cuz i aint seen people using it 😭

[compact tundra]

I've actually been running mesh SA just because your clips seem very interesting to me. I can't quite get as much movement as you do though I don't know how you're so fast with it

[thin acorn]

Buff v9s

[dense token]

should I prioritize unlocking weapons or gadgets. ive heard to do both but never one or the other

[vernal folio]

smokes are very tilting.

[hasty thistle]

doesnt matter, just get essentials for the class you like

ull have too much to spend at some point anyways

[dense token]

essentials such as?

[hasty thistle]

dome, gateway, healing emitter, c4, zipline, demat, mesh, winch, glitch grenade

i think thats most what matters probably

[dense token]

guess ill grind emitter then, since its most expensive

[short badger]

You’ll get em all at some point, try less meta and more experimental

[royal pier]

So, first they release the ARN in the same patch they buff the XP-54 to be straight-up better than it.

Then, after that, they buff the ARN and nerf the XP-54, making the ARN just better than the XP in most cases.

istfg there's two balance teams that don't communicate.

[chilly turret]

That would make sense given the sheer level of bullshit in this game

[stone willow]

how to make the screen less blury on performance settings

[sacred scroll]

Anyone know if riot shield blocks flashbangs?

[plucky spade]

Yes ot does, there's a whole tactic around flashbanging a room while having your shield up

[sacred scroll]

Then how do I fight against riot shield at close range? I find that if I get hit once , even running in the opposite direction they will catch up to me while continuously swinging at me

If I'm playing medium am I just forced to equip jump pad or goo grenade?

[raw cave]

how to fight a weapon that is good in close range in close range? Maybe you don't? Maybe you have range advantage? And jump pad is one of the best gadgets medium have, so is the goo

[thin acorn]

Buff V9s bring the fire rate back nerf pike body shot to 49 and call it a day

[indigo nexus]

They’re slower than you while swinging. Once you’re at close range you need to use movement, gadgets or just be playing with your team, because you are very much not intended to be able to win that fight just by shooting them

Demat movement can also help a lot.

The main reason medium melees are not competitively viable is because they can’t defend themselves on all sides, so as soon as you’re against a cohesive team using one becomes very hard, as you become really weak as you have neither damage output nor survivability

[plucky spade]

Well you'll have both ideally

[chilly scroll]

lfg wt/ranked

[polar cedar]

yes 🥀

[raw cave]

Are you insane?! Buff v9s?! 40 or something damage, fast fire rate, 20 bullets in magazine, and the lowest reload time in the game! This weapon does NOT need a buff

[plush harbor]

ong

thank you 🙏 v9s doesn’t need buffing at all

[kind pumice]

Nah lights should be even more polarizing. Nerf SA12 and delete melee from the game. LSATIRE

[plucky spade]

Here's how to nerf light:
Every time someone picks db, they get cut wrists

[vocal stone]

What do you think about this cerberus fire damage rework: is it gonna make the gun better or worse?

The fire damage of the cerberus will be bound to the each individual pellet. Every pellet will deal 1 fire dmg per tick. Each pellet will have 3 ticks. So that base dmg is 99 and if you land all pellets - it will deal additional 33 burn dmg, making total of 132 dmg. The fire damage does not depend on distance.

[slender bear]

(Lowest range of any hitscan gun in the game (not including shotguns))

[raw cave]

every time someone picks db he dies from two shots, no matter which

[astral cedar]

Double barrel lights are in for a rude awakening when I get the “I don’t miss shots” buff in the next update

[pseudo panther]

is ak better than scar

[zealous current]

ttk is slower so no but it does have easier recoil and more ammo in the mag so take that as you will

[meager niche]

does the C4's arming time begin when it flies through the air, I see videos on "offensive c4" but it takes 5 years to arm and I spam click detonate (noob move I know)

or like did they nerf the arming time recently?

[tacit minnow]

It has always been pretty slow at detonating, think it's like a 1s charge time or something like that

[thin acorn]

@raw cave @plush harbor obviously reduced the body shot damage to 37 but the fire rate is what made the v9s the v9s. Tell me this my slow friends why is the v9s not in the meta or even used in casual because the weapon is in a dogshit state bring back the fire rate reduced body shot to 37

[plush harbor]

because the gun isnt fun and easy to use

[thin acorn]

You know why it’s not fun because they removed the fire rate cuz dumb ass keyboard and mouse players abusing their scroll wheel to get max damage with the v9s

[plush harbor]

OK

[grand turtle]

The range kills the weapon for me
It does well up close, but the moment enemy is a bit far away, it kinda tickles.

[tardy briar]

Can we add ammo effects. Where gun fire can be things like G.I. Joe laser effects, paintballs, ice chunks, lightening or darts?

[sudden pewter]

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[indigo nexus]

Personally I am confused as to why you would view that change as a bad thing

is being arbitrarily limited by the ability of your fingers to follow instructions rapidly enough "fun"

I don't know why the V9S isn't that popular in casual games though, it has a pretty good standing. Easy hipfire, good ttk, big mag, super quick reloads.

[indigo nexus]

(also I think physically worse for your hand, in terms of developing RSI?)

[stoic garden]

might be because tapping repeatedly whilst aiming requires a different mouse holding technique

otherwise aim might be shaky, and rsi risk is increased

[indigo nexus]

I hold my mouse in the same way as ever when using it, so I do not know what you mean

[stoic garden]

i too hold my sausage the same no matter what

[stoic garden]

i think it depends from player to player tho

[indigo nexus]

I think invarcel a while ago thought that a big reason V9S was not considered the meta was that with the amount that rubies play, they'd all end up with RSI from using it

though I don't know how serious or correct that was

[stoic garden]

for example I'm a fella with a mousepad the size of an ipad and no space on my desk for that optimal arm sliding to track well with

so i kinda hold and move my mouse in a pretty wonky way, pair it with v9s and it kinda sucks

i think the current fire rate is absolutely fine for any console player tho, maybe they just dont know fr and I'm tweaking

[indigo nexus]

according to stats from clicking benchmark sites it seems that it's still too high for the average person to use it properly, but it is much better in that regard compared to when the game was new

[stoic garden]

solution: make it shoot automatically

[indigo nexus]

yeah

[thin acorn]

No

Then play 93r at that point

[stoic garden]

i dont like 93r, and that's not automatic either, i just wanna hold my mouse like i would with most other guns

[indigo nexus]

the m11 being considered more meta than the v9s always seemed curious to me, since the v9s compares pretty favourably to it

so the clicking requirement must really throw a lot of people off

[stoic garden]

i will never understand people saying m11 is meta, but ig quick cash warriors find joy in high uptime weaponry since it's a third party simulator

[thin acorn]

It’s the fire rate

[indigo nexus]

in season 4 or something I think it was actual meta

[stoic garden]

v9s and lh1 were still miles better, i actually meta slaved in that particular season

[indigo nexus]

A higher firerate is marginally useful but it seems confusing to me that that would be considered a major factor

[stoic garden]

it was when they added sights to the game, so i got red dot on v9s, and it finally became real good with cloak due to the sight glow

same thing for lh1

then cloak died in s6...

[final basin]

so thats what good rank people think about quick cash?

if I am relatively new (3-4 months) and bad at rank/tour (silver/gold); is quick cash not a good way to learn? or should I keep playing ranked modes and get fucked, but learn along the way?

[stoic garden]

quick cash is an ok mode for newbies and great for learning the game and having some chaotic fun with weird loadouts etc, but it's so much different than ranked, steals take 1 less second (it matters a lot somehow), third parties are what the gamemode is built around, which more advanced players find pretty frustrating in ranked too

ranked and worldtour require a few more braincells to play and are overall the better modes if you're a bit more confident in your macro skills, which include spawn predictions for enemy teams, cashboxes and what to do in any given situation

some simply play it for the appeal of usually having to fight only one team, as opposed to the zombie onslaught type battles you'll have in quick cash to defend your cashout

I'm one of those people!

[final basin]

Thank you. I should play ranked modes rather than quick cash if I want to get better game sense.

[stoic garden]

you can play world tour for a pretty similar (and imo more fun) experience, i think you should play ranked the moment you think you want to commit to getting good at this game

gamesense is much more prevalent in these two modes tho, yes

only downside of worldtour is the queue times tbh, it seems to be the least played mode out of the 3