💣┇weapons-gadgets

[hardy dust]

They dont like giving bad or weak weapons to medium

The last one was dual blades and everything else has been really strong

Famas, pike, cerb are all very strong after buffs

Dual blades is the only one that hasn't been great (simply because it's a melee on medium)

And even then I think dual blades has gotten the most buffs out of any melee

The most impactful ones anyways (not that they did anything)

Medium is just embark's golden child

[slender bear]

That's also why they didn't do anything about demat despite being strong, and they've left winch weak. Can't let heavy get a strong new spec and can't let medium get a weak one.

[royal pier]

Embark buffing FAMAS is a top 10 stupid changes.

[hardy dust]

Winch is fine

Its still very strong imo, just not as oppressive in 1v1s anymore

[hardy dust]

There are so many more stupid changes that deserve top 10 but a famas buff is definitely a stupid change

[slender bear]

I feel like it's also worth noting that in terms of adding new things, demat is the ONLY spec in the game that has a legendary progression reward. If that's not enough, it's also has 2 epic rewards, which I think is the most epic rewards out of any spec in the game as well. The new spec that heavy got has four rare rewards, and I wouldn't be surprised if we see the same numbers on light's new spec, IF they ever give us one.

Light is currently the only class without a single epic reward from spec progression, so I wouldn't be surprised if they gave light an incredibly weak spec with only uncommon-rare rewards.

I just checked. Technically not actually a spec, but the only other thing that gives two epic progression rewards is the data reshaper, ANOTHER POST LAUNCH ADDITION FOR MEDIUM.

[still magnet]

@lime folio sry game is still in alpha

you know a great fix would be? removing thermal

[plucky spade]

Atp you just got jumped and skill issue, you win some you lose some

[tranquil rose]

It wasn't even a stupid change, it was a random change. It's like "alright we got 99 other balance problems to solve and we need touch at least 5 guns, so let's just slap a random ass buff that no one asked for and call it a day"

[slender bear]

I smell an invis main

[still magnet]

dash dagger main

reached diamond with it even

[slender bear]

Crazy, because that's a silver 3 take if I've ever seen one.

[slender bear]

Doesn't change the fact that leaving invis without a counter is a bad idea.

[plucky spade]

Deagles/lmgs, pike, repeater, lh1, sniper, xp and the 5 stack just fed you 10 kills

[plucky spade]

Ok why did they buff FAMAS, it was fantastic at being a headshot machine already

[slender bear]

Cloaking device is just a crutch used with db at this point, and I'm sure that has nothing to do with why you want it removed...

[still magnet]

Oh 1 light per team let me just equip the HARD COUNTER THAT CANT BE TOLD APART FROM CHEATS

getting shot out of invis at range by thermal XP feels like playing against cheater

They need to give thermal an indicator loud sound cue or ongoing soundcue the ONLY way i see this shit getting balanced @final lotus

[near scroll]

they couldn't help themselves but buff the french gun after playing clair obscur

[slender bear]

You can't tell db's one shot apart from cheats either, and that's only amplified by the fact that you can't even tell which way they were actually facing when they shot you. Of all the reasons to remove thermal vision, countering the one spec it was designed to counter shouldn't be one of them.

[still magnet]

???????

[slender bear]

??????

[still magnet]

I hope you know the concept of desync and shotguns "and facing different directions while shooting" exists in every game

[near scroll]

do you mean double barrel? 🤔

[tranquil rose]

If you actually look at the weapon balancing, it really feels like they just slapped on three random changes because they needed to reach a deadline:

• KS buff

• XP nerf

Cool, both of those were necessary. But then:

ARN recoil pattern is now the same for both magazines — why? No one was complaining about that.

FAMAS recoil buff — wait, what?

M11... oh, I see what happened.

It seems like they had already planned to fix the ARN and just used the opportunity to mess with a few other recoil stats just to fill the lackluster weapon changes. 🥱

[near scroll]

both were necessary but both weapons received the wrong changes imo, just like with sword 🤷‍♂️

[plucky spade]

Na but it was uncalled for

[near scroll]

also people were def complaining about the ARN recoils

[slender bear]

You know people can see you through invisibility whether they have thermal vision or not, right? Not being able to tell whether someone was using thermal, saw you, or was using cheats isn't really that big of a deal. The game has no replay system, so you'll never know if anybody is cheating. It really says something that you assume anybody who sees through your invisibility is cheating before you think they might be using a popular gadget that lets them see through your invisibility without breaking rules or risking a ban.

[near scroll]

agreed, makes no sense

[plucky spade]

Why did ARN have different recoil patterns? Was it comsidered part of the same mag like old SA?

[tranquil rose]

Not that the recoils were different, only that ARN had naturally much higher recoil than Xp. Unless I missed something, this was actually a huge benefit cause if you hold the fire until you loaded the second mag the recoil was much more easy to control

So they...nerfed it somehow?

[near scroll]

no, it's just that quick reload is so quick, the recoil pattern didn't have time to reset

[tranquil rose]

And that was good! And they remove it! xD

[near scroll]

i saw so many people on here complain about that tho, i didn't mind but there was always some dudes complaining it didn't make sense/was inconsistent

[plucky spade]

Medium is almost there in the weapon balance compartment ( cerb and cerb ), Heavy has like 0 problematic weapons aside from flamethrower apparently and light is balanced but annoying

[tranquil rose]

They were really complaining that the weapon recoil didn't reset which gave them a much easier recoil?? Are people this bitchy?

God, next thing you're gonna tell that a sword swing speed buff will make it unbearable LOL

[near scroll]

yes, they said it felt inconsistent, which ig is fair but it wasn't that hard to get used to

[near scroll]

how is flamethrower problematic? 🤔

[tranquil rose]

They shot their own foot for 0 reason lol

[plucky spade]

Heard a lot of people say it was too good at melting people in close range, desync and all
On heavy, the slowest class

[tranquil rose]

Sounds more like a desync problem to be honest, cuz no way the flamethrowers is more deadly than a SA to the face

[plucky spade]

Yeah i guess burning in a game is annoying

[near scroll]

by the way does flamethrower damage have drop off? i've heard you're supposed to get in melee range do to max dmg but at that point just play sledge lmao 😭

[plucky spade]

Flamethrower kills groups faster than sledge actually

And it's easier

[cosmic tide]

PLEASE for the love of god add a new gadget for medium. i dont want gta 6 before a new medium gadget

[plucky spade]

Also what if cerb dealt 50 max dmg and another 50 in dot?

[near scroll]

i'm not saying flame is useless don't worry lol, i'm just confused about flame's damage. i don't mess with it too much because i find it incredibly inconistent

[slender bear]

It isn't really problematic in the grand scheme of things, but it's basically an unwinnable matchup for medium and light melee players almost all the time. Easy to aim like melee, but it has double the range and a much faster kill time against medium or light than sword, dagger, dual swords, or riot shield have against heavy. Normally that kind of thing could be overcame with skill and awareness on the melee player's side, but flamethrower can whip around and kill you first if you do anything short of a backstab.

[plucky spade]

I guess it hard countering a very niche playstyle makes it irrelevant

[tranquil rose]

So melee just begin terrible as usual?

[near scroll]

honestly pre nerf sword has a fighting chance against flame, it was a tough matchup but not unwinnable.
also i saw someone post that if you're in a smoke cloud, riot shield can block flame projectiles which is crazy but doesn't change the matchup too much ngl

[plucky spade]

You just let a guy with gun get him low

[tranquil rose]

Actually i'm curious, let me check something

[near scroll]

embarf : let's make the coolest melee weapons in a FPS game that existed in a while!
also embarf : let's make them all unusable! (except sledge our beloved)

[plucky spade]

Fun fact, perfectly played dual swords vs sledge the dual swords win

[near scroll]

i know what you mean but that's unrealistic af

[plucky spade]

Yeah good luck parrying a sledge hit with how parry detection works

[near scroll]

and even then, medium only wins if he can swing in between overheads, if heavy just trades with his own left clicks medium falls over

[tranquil rose]

Imagine blocking melee with riot shield as well lol

[slender bear]

Oh yeah, with only 3 lunges needed to take down heavy it wouldn't surprise me if a smart light player could take down a flamethrower. Right now the only melee weapons that can are dagger, spear, and sledge. Heavy just has a natural advantage at close range due to the larger health pool.

[near scroll]

i think i legitimately saw this happen once in 1k hours recorded on steam lol

[tranquil rose]

People were surprised that it was possible, but it happens so very rarely

[plucky spade]

Nah riot hard counters bullets, it has to be countered by melee

[tranquil rose]

I guess the main counterpoint towards the flamethrower begin a problem cuz there's heavy 2 other guns that just kills faster in basically melee range

[slender bear]

I'm still kind of hoping melees get turned into side arms. It would be unbalanced, but it would definitely be fun.

[plucky spade]

Also that heavy is slow and any other melee player that sees him simply turns the opposite direction

[near scroll]

i thought about a WT event one time where there's weapon switching stations scattered on the map

[tranquil rose]

Basically makes winch super necessary to work properly as well

[plucky spade]

*cue flame heavy getting beamed

[near scroll]

(or goo gun)

[tranquil rose]

oh yeah it exists too

[near scroll]

you dare hurt my feeling like so?

[tranquil rose]

I guess flamethrower has that intimidating effect like the CL-40

Once you start to get shot by it you kinda panic, so people think it's broken. My 2 cents...

[near scroll]

then again, flamethrower trades direct DPS for passive, AoE damage so it makes sense some guns like SA1216, minigun or even melees would outclass it there

[tranquil rose]

Make sense

[plucky spade]

Yeeees make it an actual arena shooter

[hardy dust]

flamer always feels like it kills you really fast and yet kills so slow

but its really not an issue

[tranquil rose]

That’s the panic effect

[plucky spade]

It has to do with the damage effects and when the bar on the enemy's head not flashing according to the damage it receives

[still magnet]

I’m saying Thermal is SO STRONG that playing against it feels unfair and helpless, like I’m fighting someone who’s cheating.

There’s no indicator that enemies are using it, no clue how long it lasts, and no way to tell if my invisibility is even working. It completely invalidates both my gadget and other cloak players.

We’re nerfing Reshaper because it counters a spec? A medium gadget countering a medium spec? Sure, nerf it. (baffled about how useless the nerf was btw cause it legit still does the same thing)

But Thermal? A gadget that hard counters an entire class spec like invisibility? That stays untouched. The only reason it’s not full-blown broken meta, which it kinda already is, is because it’s fucking bugged. If they ever fix it, it needs to be nerfed immediately.

Meanwhile we’ve got Glitch Traps, Sonar Grenades, Lockbolt doing damage now, RPG AoE breaking invis even on chip damage, and a winched cloak Light is just dead. And on top of all that, we have Thermal.

It doesn’t give wallhacks, but it shuts down the core mechanic of sneak and evade that Light relies on. And the craziest part? You can use Thermal while being invisible yourself. So not only do you see through other cloaks, but you stay hidden the entire time.

Fifteen seconds of uptime, barely any cooldown, no visual or audio indicator, and zero counterplay. I can play smart, break line of sight, use Vanish at the right moment, and still get exposed instantly just because someone pressed one gadget.

If they want to keep it, fine. But at the very least, it needs a sound cue. Something like a subtle electric hum within 20 meters so cloak players have any way to respond.

Right now it’s just a hard counter with no interaction. That’s not balance. That’s just bad design.

[plucky spade]

It always irked me how you have no idea when a light uses thermal, even if it has like no other use than smoke fights and invis lights

Also do flames obscure your vision?

[near scroll]

a visual indicator and it deactivating when you go cloak could also be considered

[plucky spade]

It'd be cool if flames obscured a 20 meter radius around their center for thermal vision users, so that pyro nades and orange barrels could be used as soft cover

[terse gorge]

Lights getting flashbanged by a fire barrel flying in their face

[plucky spade]

Think fast chucklenuts

[tranquil rose]

I just wished gas mines were better, it would be a great tool to breach enemy defenses

[plucky spade]

No, gas already goes through walls

[terse gorge]

Use gas grenade

[tranquil rose]

To a point that gás granades does it’s job better lol

[terse gorge]

gas mines are useless imo cause it disappears fast and fucks me up more then the enemies

[tranquil rose]

It would need to be super dense like CS

[plucky spade]

Gas mine has less duration than gas nade?

[terse gorge]

bruh

[plucky spade]

I didn't know

Still it's funny being a floor below the cashout and triggering a gas mine everytime someone goes for a steal

[hardy dust]

they are already pretty good

not too strong, but stilll quite decent

explosive mines need a bit of love though

[plucky spade]

Kinda? Idk i don't see them as very necessary in the gamepllay loop for some reason

[hardy dust]

just a wee bit

[still magnet]

Gas mines are beeing played quite a bit in high ranked even what are you guys on about?

[terse gorge]

Just my personal opinion m8

Not serious in any way

[near scroll]

well your personal opinion is FACTUALLY WRONG! and that is PROVEN by CERTIFIED HIGH ELO GAMERS

[terse gorge]

Well then, fuck the facts😂

Factually the universe shouldnt exist, well here we are

[near scroll]

do you mean scientifically? cause factually the universe does exist 🤔

[terse gorge]

Oh yeah. Right.

Well, it is a fact that I dont care about your opinioj about my opinion on the universe

[near scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-crying-walter-dying-gif-20964719

[terse gorge]

🗿

I need a promotion, I cant send gifs

[near scroll]

yapping time

[terse gorge]

@midnight shard #👂┇game-feedback message
I hope they don't

[midnight shard]

damn why not?

[terse gorge]

Because it would make the skins less exclusive. Rn when u see a diamond hammer you are like damn. When they do it like you propose, it changes to, I need that too

Exclusivity makes them rare and worth grinding cause you know you'll never get the chance again and no one else will

Why should I play this season if can just start next season when the meta is different to get my arn skin

[midnight shard]

i understand but also what if u really enjoy using a certain weapon and because of this exclusivity u will never get the chance to have the emerald or diamond versions

[terse gorge]

Bad thing ofc, if you didnt play back then, but id you did its your own fault

I'm so pissed I only grinded to plat in s1 and 2. Such a waste cause I love the fcar and v9s and I admire every person who did it, but I dont want it back. That diamond famas is coming soon, I know it, hehe

[terse gorge]

Wouldnt be the same if I knew: those guys got it in s2, damn

[midnight shard]

its just a little unfortunate. I was only able to start playing s4 because of performance issues and since im oceania world tour and ranked usually have no eta

[terse gorge]

Mmh, thats bad. The only choice is to move to a different country I think😂

But do you see my point

[midnight shard]

yea i just think it would be nice if something similar was added

[terse gorge]

You mean another mode with rewards? Yeah thats gonna help your queuing time problem😂

ig for emerald they could do it like apex and sell the e3+2 rewards in a seperate store but I dont think embark will do that

@regal prairie #👂┇game-feedback message
just you😂

[regal prairie]

Any tips?

[terse gorge]

Try to actively aim for the borders and think about what attack to use. Up on open space, Secondary on edges

The new attack launches people upwards, only use it when they are low or under open sky

And fast bind goo nades, they can safe your life

Also try to stay in the middle of the platform you are currently on that u get more space to land or throw a goo nade

I can help you tonight maybe

@regal prairie

[terse gorge]

You know what I mean with the different attacks? Also dont spam. time it well, it wins you fights

[fossil elk]

I would like a detailed opinion

https://youtu.be/ZzIEMmOI0Nk?si=1o2S90aDRHCZij41

[obsidian nexus]

Winch guaranteed death is very fun and engaging

[mild jolt]

you have to have good spacing and positioning and time your attacks properly, the goal is not to hit the opponent, it’s to hit them off the map, so you need to make sure you’re hitting them in a direction that will result in a kill.

right click is your bread and butter to actually launch people off, left click is better if you’re not sure what direction they’re going in, since it will at least knock them to a different part of the map and buy you time

grouping with your teammates and staying away from groups of enemies is a good idea, you’re unlikely to win a fight against a group that is working together

charge isn’t great, but slam is pretty good as a decent tool to enter fights

if you’re familiar with the trajectory of sliding into jump pads, i would recommend using them to enter from angles the enemies didn’t expect.

you want to have more of the platform behind you than behind your opponent, if they’ve got you against the edge, sliding past them and knocking them off when they approach has worked for me.

[umbral belfry]

hello i was suppossed to be unbanned 40 minutes ago why am i still banned

[echo gate]

Could I post a build I use for feedback

[echo gate]

https://thefinals.lol/buildcreator?c=medium&s=Guardian+Turret&w=Dual+Blades&g1=Defibrillator&g2=Explosive+Mine&g3=Jump+Pad&n=Idk+kill+people&d=Die

[lucid marsh]

Your first mistake.. dual blades

[echo gate]

How so they deal good damage

[lucid marsh]

You’re better off with a Cerberus if you want close range damage as a medium

The only really viable melee class at the moment is sledge

Or dagger if you’re cracked

[winged junco]

What is the ks23, I forgot

[dim carbon]

Are the latest Broadcast Blaze skins dropping on Twitch? I've visited a couple channels and saw a Crunchyroll subscription (drop?) but that's it.

[royal pier]

Riot Shield got some interesting changes.

[exotic skiff]

Still not viable

[royal pier]

That last overhead swing that went through was due to them having left the server due to their PC being weird.

[royal pier]

I mean I have seen the person I was testing this with wipe entire squads solo before these changes, and they're playing on dogshit Xfinity internet.

Riot Shield also blocks Flashes.

[exotic skiff]

Think about why it's not a good arguments

You Can Say that for every fucking weapons

[royal pier]

You're the one making the claim why it's not. I'm not going to make your arguments for you.

Obviously there's counters, but that's healthy for games like this.

[exotic skiff]

You have nothing to kill people sledge is viable because it got winch that all

[royal pier]

I'm talking sweaty teams wiped out.

[royal pier]

?

Riot Shield does decent damage lol.

[exotic skiff]

Can't catch up people

[royal pier]

Goo Nades

Also, you can block and sprint by positioning yourself properly.

[exotic skiff]

Doesn't work against good team just need two angle

And kite well, the riot shield will never kill you

[royal pier]

You sprint towards the target on the right hand side. The one on the left won't be able to help unless they have a counter like CL-40, MGL32, or another melee weapon.

[finite spire]

be kinda cool if the RPG had a back blast dmg effect to it

[royal pier]

Also if you're running from it, you ain't shooting it.

[exotic skiff]

Do that and I Can assuren you, you are dead against any decent team, never saw a riot shield qual, never been in comp

[exotic skiff]

If you kite well it's pretty easy

[royal pier]

"Comp" players also hate risk. MGL32 is one of the best defensive weapons there is, but using it is a risk.

Doesn't make it non-viable. Most sweaty players are just boring.

Also, you can bring Flashes and block them for yourself while still hitting the enemy.

[exotic skiff]

ok ur ragebaiting

saying mgl is one of the best defensive weapons is not understanding the game at all

[exotic skiff]

You can do tht with pretty much any good weapons, two clip is not a fact brother

[royal pier]

I'm not home atm so I only have the clips on my phone.

Might be able to search up ones I've posted here and save them to repost.

[royal pier]

You can't do such wide AoE with other weapons, you wut?

Also, you can do this, which is very funny.

[slender bear]

I think you're just to dumb to accept the truth.

[exotic skiff]

I think you guys don't understand anything, riotshield is one of the worse weapon on the game that all

[slender bear]

Maybe so, but that doesn't make it useless.

[exotic skiff]

it's just not viable as a weapons that all

[royal pier]

I'm going to laugh if in a few weeks we see this user complaining about Riot Shield being OP.

[winter jay]

can still make it to diamond

[slender bear]

Spec idea for light and gadget idea for heavy:

For light: Phaser spec
Removes collisions with all walls while active, runs on a resource bar like cloaking device. Basically demat without the team support, and much more slippery since it's on light. Would have a loud-ish crackling sound effect, because nobody wants to get instakilled by a dagger player popping through a wall with no warning. Wouldn't deactivate when shot, and could compliment light's hit and run playstyle. Would counter demat, but could also be countered by demat as well asdestruction, and stuff like gravity vortex and glitch. Staying inside of a wall for about a second would start to damage the user to prevent stalling.

Gadget for heavy: structure reinforcement. A deployable gadget with lockbolt health, that reinforces the walls and floor, preventing phased light players from going through them, as well as preventing destruction and dematrialization. It would remain inactive until remotely triggered, but it would rematerialize walls. This would act as the counter we've desperately needed for demat, as well as a counter for the new Phaser spec on light. You could reseal surfaces that mediums dematted, or trap a light player in the room with you when they pop out of a wall. This would not apply to light players that are already in the walls when the get reinforced, as but will take effect the second they are back in the open. It would remain active for 20 seconds when triggered, and would have a priming time of 2 seconds.

The structure reinforcement would basically be a hard counter for Phaser and Demat, as well as a niche stalling tool. It wouldn't effect goo or barricades, so it couldn't completely stall an area, and things like debris and carriables would still be destructable. Demat is already without a counter, so I don't think it would be a good idea to add in something like Phaser without adding a serious counter to both. Currently heavy has the most specs, so ideally season 7 would launch with 1 spec for both light and medium, and a gadget for heavy.

[still summit]

I love the idea of being able to reinforce surroundings possibly stopping dematiralization, it would give control back to heavy players that they currently don’t have over the arena

[proper lynx]

guys, what is the chill little chief gun charm, and where did i get it?

[slender bear]

It comes from the battle pass

[proper lynx]

isnt there also a one without shades tho?

[slender bear]

Not that I know of

I think there's only one moolah charm

[oblique crypt]

Would phaser make you fall through floors? Or would you have to jump, activate, and deactivate on the other side of a wall.

[proper lynx]

i have two, one with shades and one without

[brittle yoke]

love this idea, would it reinforce like the walls and floors in a bubble around the deployed gadget you think?

[slender bear]

It wouldn't go through floors, just to keep it a little different from demat, and to encourage using it for regrouping. You could escape through a wall, regen, then pop back through the same to teenage, rather than popping it and just dropping through the floor.

[slender bear]

Yep!

[slender bear]

It would basically only work on walls perpendicular to the floor, or things that are at an 80° angle or something. It just removes collisions with walls and detects when you're somewhere that should have a collision, so it can start self damage if you stall.

[brittle yoke]

would it reinforce walls that are broken and loose? or would it put the walls back up? how does it interact with destruction like that?

ig it is preventative not replacing so it might reinforce a loose wall but wont fix it

[near scroll]

hey so we were chatting with mr confuzzle the mgl machinator about data reshaper and turret, he thinks the interaction shouldn't have been changed (so keep 3 charges, 1 charge used on anything), i think reshaper should have kept 3 charges but consumed all 3 upon reshaping a turret, what do you guys think?
1️⃣ no change
2️⃣ 3 charges for a turret reshape

[slender bear]

Nope, debris wouldn't get reinforced to prevent impossible cashout stalling.

[brittle yoke]

when would it be impossible

[slender bear]

If it reinforced debris, stuff covering the cashout could be reinforced, making it impossible to steal or access the station. It is on a 20s timer, but I figured an uncounterable 20s stall would be pretty unfair, even on heavy. That's also why it doesn't affect goo and barricades, so that a single heavy couldn't goo entrances in a small room and make it completely inaccessible

[brittle yoke]

would reinforced debris be affected by things like goo nade launching, winch claw or vortex?

ig they wouldent be but im saying if they were reinforced they could be moved bc theyre loose

[slender bear]

Probably. I thought about debris getting reinforced then pulled, but gravity vortex and winch can only move so much.

[brittle yoke]

yeah ig

[shell sonnet]

Imo the recent nerf didnt really change much since its still a gadget hard countering a special (which was their main argument for it iirc?)

[slender bear]

It's basically meant to primarily prevent phasing and demat, the stalling stuff is just to make it worth using in some other situations.

[brittle yoke]

i think stopping regular destruction for a bit is also large value

but i can imagine like a reinforce then a lockbolt then a bubble being just a crazy murder loadout

[slender bear]

A large part of the design of this, and the reason that you have to activate it yourself, is because it's supposed to be partly preventative but mostly reactionary. The idea was that if a phasing light player is dipping in and out of a wall, you either choose to lock them out if you've already taken to much damage, or if you have enough health to take them out you can lock them in with you. It would basically be like lockbolt for people taking advantage of phaser and demat, but it could be paired with lockbolt to trap someone against the other side of the wall so you can go around, or just leave them there since they can't start phasing through again for another 20s.

[tired salmon]

The one with glasses moos less

[proper lynx]

oh cool

[royal pier]

I think part of the reason it was nerfed was due to them adding the healing orb.

My friend uses Reshaper to get them, and they rack up insane support score.

They could make it just not work on Turret.

Demat should also not work on Barricades. Both things are basically point-and-click delete buttons, and it's not particularly interesting gameplay.

Demat in general needs a nerf.

It shouldn't cover such a wide area, be able to draw/stow instantly, and work instantly.

They already nerfed regular destruction recently when they made it kick up a shit ton of dust, the game doesn't need an instant delete button.

Adding a specific counter just makes it a must-pick, which I dislike. Soft counters over hard counters whenever possible.

[near scroll]

i didn't consider that, interesting

ill have to try it out later

[royal pier]

Directly hitting with them gives a pretty damn big burst of healing.

[near scroll]

WHAT

[royal pier]

Yup

[near scroll]

my mind is blown

[royal pier]

Heal orbs come after Glitch Barrel in the Reshaper order. So if you have a Gas Can, you can Reshape those to Glitch, then to Heal.

[hasty juniper]

downtown vancouver 2025

[amber ermine]

Istanbul, Paris, Egypt, old medieval map with witchcraft theme and magic

Hong Kong

Moscow

[keen dirge]

ya

[amber ermine]

or some jojo se 3 map with dio ahh looking mansion and black magic theme

[keen dirge]

ya

[amber ermine]

embark probably decided the maps up to se 10

so if they decided to take a map idea from players we probably get it in more than a year 😭

[plush glacier]

So i decided to try out ARN in practice range and it's great imo. I have heard not so good things about but i dont see the issue

People say XP is better but what's the reason? ARN has less horizontal recoil and a quick reload

[surreal mountain]

PLEASE NERF THE GRENADE LAUNCHER. AN ENEMY TEAM WITH ONE OF THOSE MEANS A LOST MATCH

[hasty juniper]

nah i was saying that cuz fent lol

[brittle yoke]

lol

[slender bear]

I feel like we should give every new problem weapon the sword treatment. I don't know how they can do it, but they should be raising every weapons ttk against heavy by 133% if they do too well, or add an extra attack for burst damage weapons.

Cerb should need FOUR HITS TO KILL HEAVY !!!!
Sledge should take TWO OVERHEAD SWINGS !!!!
XP should take THREE SECONDS !!!!

Nerf everything into the ground!
Take 25% of the damage off of every weapon Appoh doesn't like!

[gaunt arch]

Best gadgets for heavy?

[lilac fiber]

This also needs to happen to the dash ability it’s unfun to fight

[faint steppe]

Demat is definitely extremely stacked without much counterplay rn. But I'm not quite sure you can nerf it without making it useless

[tranquil rose]

Adding a CD between uses perhaps? So it stops begin instantaneous

Problem about nerfing something that is extremely strong is the constant fear of it begin useless, like "oh it's not good as before" but of course it's not

Though I won't lie that Embark either overbuff something or straight up cap it's legs, so I don't know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sleek jetty]

is winch claw and sledge hammer a good combo? also what gadgets should heavy run other than dome sheild

[stoic garden]

winch + sledge is an excellent combo, as for gadgets to run alongside it, i suggest good grenade to block escape routes for opponents and probably rpg to finish off stragglers

[sleek jetty]

ok

[stoic garden]

in particular if you winch lights you can do a quick swing + a quick melee to instakill them with nearly no escape window even with dash

[sleek jetty]

when ever i use the winch the lights js instantly grapple or dash away and i cant do anything

[sleek jetty]

ok

[stoic garden]

i remember embark making winch stun for longer the further the opponent you winched

[sleek jetty]

is it worth using winch with any other weapons

[stoic garden]

winch reaches about 9-10 meters if I'm not wrong

[sleek jetty]

or is it mainly used with sledge

[stoic garden]

winch is decently versatile, definitely best with sledge, otherwise also works with sa12 (requires really good aim), or m60 for easy guaranteed dmg and often a kill

[sleek jetty]

alrighty thanks!

[stoic garden]

👍

[oblique crypt]

Goo Gun and sledge works too, although it's a lot more defensive.

[teal lance]

I like winch with flamethrower, you can force people back into the kitchen (the fire)

[hardy dust]

Winch with almost anything is good

Bar minigun and mgl

[deep mason]

@olive viper @ruby echo @proper hedge @bright current new event idea grapple hook only light but only sword 🙏

Or maybe give option for double sword from medium to light class only for event,alt is the sword double slash but u need back stab angle for crit.
Epic attack on titan event mod!

[gusty relic]

What are some good gadgets to go with cloak?

[muted topaz]

smoke and thermal

together

[dense quest]

Love ARN

[slender bear]

At this point, I'm starting to feel like we should be more worried about defib than any other balance issue in this game. If you look at any pro tournament, defib pick rate on medium is 100%. There's a reason for that, and it's because fights are simply easier when you have more people. That's not something any other class can even come close to matching in value right now. Defib alone literally has value of a whole player, because that's what it gives you. A whole extra player with a gun is going to be better than any spec, weapon, or gadget. At this point, the only way that medium CAN'T be the best class would be to either give both light and heavy win button tools that give equal value, or to remove defib as a whole. This isn't something you can balance with cooldowns or debuffs, this either has to be hard countered or removed entirely if any other class wants a chance.

Defib is the only thing in the game that is absolutely necessary to win. That's why we see MMH, MML, MMM, HML, but never LLH, HHL, LLL, HHH, etc. You need a medium to win, and you only need medium for the defib.

[shadow kestrel]

What gadgets pairs well with Ks-23 and winch

[winter jay]

barricade is p good and you cant go wrong with rpg

[shadow kestrel]

Alright then, thx wheezing

[slender bear]

Defib's near 100% pick rate is also the reason they refuse to nerf it. Embark justifies a lot of nerfs with high performance, and people complain about weapons and their pick rates all the time, so those numbers are out there for embark to see, even if they couldn't just watch three ruby matches and notice that every team has one medium running defib, sometimes even two or three of them. They are well aware that it is seen as mandatory, and that it is run by every medium player diamond rank and above. The only justification possible for not nerfing it is performance, which is really dumb. If a ruby ranked match included 4 LMH teams, with every medium running defib, two of those 4 defib players are going to move on. 50% win rate doesn't sound so bad, but that also means that both of the teams who moved on are running defib, and they likely would have lost without it. 100% of winning teams at ruby rank have at least one defib, and that isn't a coincidence. Anyone who has basic reasoning skills can see that, so I would hope that embark understands that defib's win rate means absolutely nothing. Defib is easily the most important and most powerful gadget on the game, and they know that but refuse to nerf it. It wouldn't matter if they gutted the cooldown or doubled defib sickness time, anything short of removing the revive mechanic wouldn't take it out of its spot in the meta. It needs a whole rework, something like a speed buff or burst healing on living teammates.

[dry sage]

So smoke doesn't have a hard counter?

[gaunt star]

Thermal ?

[dry sage]

If you aren't playing light

[slender bear]

Any explosion in the game will clear smoke.

I think some smaller explosions might take more though.

[thick jacinth]

HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS been playing since season 1

Embark teaching element interactions in the tutorial would be pretty pog

Also add more elements (ideas below)

Slime, very gameshowy, can take the form of grenades, mines and more. Slows down opponents and decreases jump height. Also sounds sticky and gross walking in it

Electricity, can take the form of grenades, mines and more. Maybe slows opponents, maybe temporarily causes enemy to automatically switch to a different equipment (+temporarily rebinds weapon/equipment keys just to mess with em)

Spring pad (not an element), gameshowy, similar to jump pad, not great for movement (doesn’t throw people as far) but can push players through walls (I don’t know what tactical/gameplay advantage this would bring but it’d be funny to cartoonishly shove people through the roof or through a wall)

[gloomy bobcat]

Someone convince me to play heavy
(Medium main)

[foggy cypress]

You wanna be evil via flamethrower+goo/claw but not an absolute sweat like lights.

[gloomy bobcat]

Yeah I've been seeing alot of those playstyles.. and honestly theyre getting into my skin playing light bow. Sure, I'll play that when I'm feeling evil (Lord forgive me)

grenade launcher peeps are worse though.

[molten hinge]

sa and mesh, been having a blast

[frosty summit]

I play both. Usually when I’m solo queuing and both my team mates play light (throwing) I switch heavy and that increases my win rate by a lot

just getting an ideal team comp is a good reason to pick up heavy

[gloomy bobcat]

Interesting, I'll keep that in mind then
I still ought to get used to its sluggish movement though, thats my weak point atm

[willow pollen]

✅

[summer vigil]

^^^

[turbid sandal]

Holy paragraphs 😭

We need a boomerang for light

[indigo monolith]

Replacing or adding heavies goo gun with a slime gun would be sick

Like the flamethrower but slime

[shell sonnet]

do not replace my baby
goo gun is so fun if you actually know how to use it

[indigo monolith]

Perhaps the slime gun could be a primary then

[indigo monolith]

How does one use it effectively, I was planning on running it at some point

[shell sonnet]

i could give some advice later, gonna finish my ound first
what kinda advice are you looking for?

[indigo monolith]

Just how to use it in engagements and where it's useful mostly. Also, what weapons would be best to pair with it, I've been trying to run the drum shotgun (I forget the name) but I feel heavy struggles to close gaps without charge n slam or winch

[shell sonnet]

imo goo is useful in any situation, if you think its not useful in a situation, you probably arent looking hard enough, its that universally applicable
when i have it equipped, its out pretty much full time, only being swapped to gadgets/weapons when i need them

it very good for movement, allowing you to climb up walls by shooting occasional blobs to vault up, or straight up making a snake to reach a rooftop
there is the obvious defensive use of just clogging up all entries with goo
and for combat you can shoot it at people to slow them

melee weapons should be able to penetrate if you hit someone with goo, for guns you need to shoot exposed parts
so against gun users, try to goo the torse/head since they shoot from there to block their attacks while you yourself shoot the feet
gooing someone during a steal/revive interrupts them (doesnt count for contracts tho)

more niche use would be blocking turrets, but mines/sensors can also be blocked
you should be able to destroy them by attacking them through the goo with melee, quick melee also works
if mines explode inside goo they wont deal damage (unless its gas/pyro, since the aoe effects still apply)

best weapons, not really sure
anything works, but of course with guns you need to take care to aim properly to still hit them
melee weapons synergiese pretty well since they penetrate through goo, it increases your flanking ability which is more needed on melee, while goo also allows you to interrupt steals from afar, making up for that weakness
otherwise, destruction weapons like ks-23/sledge can also synergise really well since they allow you to drop a cashout into a fortified room, immidiatly close up the hole you just made, to then steal with relative ease

i should really get on writing my guide

if you need more advice or would like clarification ask away

[indigo monolith]

Hmm, maybe it's time to learn how to use the grenade launcher then, I've been eyeing that ospuz can skin, but never had a reason to try the gun

[shell sonnet]

MGL?
maybe try those outside of eachother

mgl has a whole nother learning curve, and theyre kinda anti synergy imo

[indigo monolith]

Oh nevermind

[shell sonnet]

i mean, i havent tried it, maybe it helps since you can goo people close range to build a gap which mgl can work off of, but i run mgl pretty much exclusively with charge n' slam

i could try that tho tbh

but yeah, mgl wants distance
i usually run it with mines + c4 to delete anyone that wants to get close

youd be suprised how stupid this can be at times

[indigo monolith]

My thoughts for mgl would be to do something like goo grenade behind people, and then bounce the grenades off the wall to avoid overshoots

[shell sonnet]

thats not a bad idea

but sadly goo gets destroyed in i think 2 grenades?
you need to set it up, while youre likely already being shot, they can just move forward after you place it
bunch of problems

but i like the thought proccess

mgl and especially goo gun thrive off of creativity

[indigo monolith]

My other thinking was when people try to breach into a goo'd up room, you can exploit those small holes very well with a well placed grenade (most people default to fire in the face of goo, but if I'm using it I always bring smokes)

I just wish it had impact detonation

[shell sonnet]

that would make it a lot less interesting and more annoying since it would be so much easier to use

even if it just had the option for it, that would make people demand nerfs which then makes the actual balanced/interesting parts catch stray nerfs

like, having this much depth and potential for skill expression, on a grenadelauncher of all things is incredible

id be in favor of just adding a 2nd heavy grenade launcher based on impact detonation and balancing that on it own, rather than messing with, and possibly ruining mgl

heavy is supposed to be a destructive class anyways, they can have a 2nd nade launcher

[oblique crypt]

I wanna see a light grenade launcher.

And incendiary/gas grenade launcher could be interesting

[swift agate]

m79 thumper would be a perfect light GL

[graceful nova]

Wouldn’t you say gas mines are “a breath-taking step” for the enemy

[thick holly]

I feel like riot shield being able to block charge and slam would be really nice

[clever beacon]

I want to start climbing in ranked as a medium - my favorite playstyle is medbeam, anyone know what the best weapon for medium to combo with on medbeam to climb in ranked? Also what gadgets to run with it (Obviously defib lol)

[dense quest]

famas, cerb, fcar

[dense quest]

Interesting take

[ivory dust]

Kanabo for sledge Hammer

[sweet grotto]

If you actually look at the weapon balancing, it really feels like they just slapped on three random changes because they needed to reach a deadline:

• KS buff

• XP nerf

Cool, both of those were necessary. But then:

ARN recoil pattern is now the same for both magazines — why? No one was complaining about that.

FAMAS recoil buff — wait, what?

M11... oh, I see what happened.

It seems like they had already planned to fix the ARN and just used the opportunity to mess with a few other recoil stats just to fill the lackluster weapon changes. 🥱

[little hamlet]

stun gun is sad now

so meh

buff double barrel for lights

[terse gorge]

thats a skill issue

[slate roost]

Bro get out of here

And lurn how to aim you can two tap a heavy with that thing

[candid bone]

it does not need buffed at all

[alpine quiver]

hi

[thorn warren]

hi

[alpine quiver]

no

[royal pier]

Yes

[plush harbor]

arn recoil is nice now

i appreciate the change

[narrow roost]

ARN recoil was kinda dumb, why does the same gun have 2 different recoil patterns based entirely on the magazine you're using

[deep mason]

That's cl40 but worse,how about a flare gun that's sticks to players and walls and explosion cause burn damage

[narrow roost]

make the m79 thumper but if it direct impact another light it immediately deletes their game

[hoary badge]

Can enemies shoot your grenades mid throw

[oblique crypt]

I know date-reshaper can

[tawny spoke]

??

m11 + nullifier with good movement can wipe a whole team

gotta learn to adapt

[torn dawn]

ragebait

[hybrid lynx]

So… Thermal Bore+?

Good idea, but still basically Thermal bore +

[vivid garden]

https://tenor.com/view/go-the-ramones-ramones-rock-music-gif-4832440

Need Mic Stand for a weapon skin. Joey Ramone gif for example

[deep mason]

its not a straight line and does good damage and the sparks does damage around too

[hybrid lynx]

Thermal bore does a straight line when you ADS, does good damage(over 100 when close, iirc) and if very close the sparks do DMG too

[deep mason]

no i mean there is an arc in projectile with flare and its probably better as a gadget

[hybrid lynx]

A good idea, but imo too similar to Thermal Bore
Anyway, I have to sleep
goodbye

[deep mason]

it stick to players and leave a spark trail too

bye

[tidal shadow]

I kinda want a EpiPen for medium, it can stop teammate from dying for 1 seconds

[reef kraken]

seconding this

[vestal badge]

Pls does anyone know if the weapon emote “VI hammer moves” works with guitar hammer skin? (The death of rhodent one)

[cinder jetty]

same animations different music

[vestal badge]

Bruh thank you

[restive plover]

Can anyone link to weapon TTK info

[fair hull]

Sticky granade

[hallow light]

can we get multiple skin selection? like you can select x skins and every skin has 1/x chance to selected every another game

[icy mist]

How do you make the cash spin when holding it? On controller

[tranquil rose]

It's the inspect input, take a lot at your controller buttons configurations to check where's the inspect button

[tranquil rose]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?gid=2136619021#gid=2136619021

[zinc obsidian]

Heavy auto weapons just suck. Medium and lights weapons just have better accuracy and dmg

[icy mist]

Thank you

[zinc obsidian]

if they nerf the akimbo magnums again on heavy i quit heavy play. the class weapons just horrible. The only good thing is the magnums

[tranquil rose]

SA, Akimbo, Shak, Minigun...?

[plucky spade]

Yeah no bro

[lilac hemlock]

I finally created my Ospuze dagger skin, hope you enjoy!

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1376236081900556380

[lilac fiber]

Dude I agree they really like to nerf heavy and medium and not really light nearly as much

[lilac hemlock]

Let's check out my Ospuze dagger skin design. Feel free to comment Popsitivly!

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1376236081900556380

[deep mason]

Make a design where there is a flare at the end of the handle where it shoots sparks after a kill or during the stab part in general or when it's fully charged,only animation no other use

[thorn basin]

Looks very Nice i would buy it

[tranquil rose]

I wish they did a "fan concepts contest" so people can vote which one they want in the game

[lilac hemlock]

Thx you bros

[lilac hemlock]

It's like Ospuze Hammer?

🤔 Ohh, That's interesting, i will think about how it looks like

[lilac hemlock]

Yeah, but I feel like they already did it

[tranquil rose]

I dunno, if they did, it was super subtle

There was/is an art channel, but i've never seen a art contest

[restive plover]

Thanks. The pin link is busted

[slender bone]

guys give me the best loadout for HEAVY ranked

[polar trout]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-girl-magical-pokaan-magipoka-gif-26087287

Except the deags take more skill to play so I genuinely just don't get it

Like yeah you're technically correct about MGs having less dmg and accuracy but it's negligible and made up for by you having the most health and ammo

[radiant orbit]

Except flamethrower which is best weapon

[raven thunder]

whats ur opinion on the cl guys

[sage timber]

It's good if you know how to use it

[slender bear]

One of the best weapons on medium rn

Just cuz it's so easy to use

[dawn sage]

Very good weapon but it feels like cheese to use and play against. Then again I main light so I’m gonna be biased

[dusky field]

Pretty mid weapon lol

[jolly bison]

Big thanks to embark for giving me -985 for losing against a cheater. Big thanks to embark for giving me the same penalty for losing as my teammates, even though I was the top lobby for kills. Big thanks to embark for disconnects. I literally tolerate your game, but you don't care.

[raven thunder]

id love to get more dmg on buildings with it, destroying a ceiling takes a reload

[steel urchin]

M11 used to be so op back in beta

[deep mason]

a laser pointer dagger with actual laser u can see in map

[hasty juniper]

ks23 goo gun and c4, lock bolt and pyro made

[hasty juniper]

yeah to give away any stealth the light may have had

this is the nerf light needs

[deep mason]

its a taunt

[hasty juniper]

lol yeah

[deep mason]

like here i am then vanish and backstab

[deep mason]

u could troll a lot

[hasty juniper]

or they can spam animal noises and go disco ball

[high timber]

Feels good to see a weapon concept that isnt AI

good work

[lofty venture]

One of the best weapons in the game due to the low skill requirement, but also the most toxic weapon in the game.

Just don't be surprised if your own teammates grief you in an effort to prevent the enemy team getting annoyed enough to all swap to CL-40....

[obsidian nexus]

getting winched through walls, through clutter, and being guaranteed dead always has rubbed me the wrong way

[safe escarp]

Medium needs some kind of goo bomb to slow down lights.

[old sigil]

holy nerf the FUCKING cl-40🫩🫩🫩🫩🫩

[jolly bison]

Already have a glitch trap for inv and dash players

[maiden stag]

goo mine

[covert topaz]

Why does a DB two shot let alone one shot??, it needs a simple nerf where you just have to melee to finish, this thing is way to OP

[inner parrot]

.

[idle ridge]

what heavy weapon needs that nerf?
anyone?

[balmy mountain]

I've been using dash dagger vanish goo gateway

Would it be wise to swap gateway with flashbang? Or anything else that might help me run away (or let enemies not see where I'm coming from)?

[cinder anchor]

What’s the meta heavy class set up right now all heavy weapons feeling weak asf

[valid raft]

I’ve been playing with the flamethrower and minigun, both feel strong. Idk if their meta though

[hoary patio]

Minigun is meta for heavy. But I like flamethrower and it works well with winch and mesh.

But I think the flamethrower could use more range by a few meters

[cinder anchor]

I tried the game on ps4 and flame thrower was the only way because of how glitches and slow the game was very good yeah more range is needed frr

[boreal laurel]

Meta would probably be M60, Lewis, or ShAK (maybe Deagles if you have good aim) with charge, dome shield, RPG, and (IMO) pyro mines

[dry stream]

does the lunge jump on the sword still work as of 6.9?

can't seem to get it at all

[solemn light]

https://youtu.be/JeXJqjxP8wI

Can we get this?

[simple zephyr]

In response to myself #👂┇game-feedback message

A very good day once more.. this may sound quite silly, for after this complaint even I felt there be no way back...
However, destiny thought differently and brought me back here. Now.. I've tried a few fights again with my sword now duller than it was before. The first few matches were a huge challenge, for I had to recollect my thoughts as I fought the opponents..
But.. I realised: a Blademaster doesn't show defeat until they're actually beaten. I've picked up my courage and rose again with new insight... while the blade no longer cuts clean through flesh & bone, I came up with new strategies to counter it, hear my advice to you my Swordsmen:
1. Work more together, face evil together.. never forget that you aren't alone. Rely a little more on your teammates and you- AND your team will be much happier.
2. Keep more distance from the enemy: going in head-first is no longer as reliable a strategy than it used to be. Alter your mind, become an adapting Legend.
3. Don't lose yourself in power & skill alone, for you will need tactic & strategy too. Combine the two, balance them out and soon.. you may find a solution to the dulling blade.
4. Keep your wrath in check; fighting opponents rightfully (and with fun 🤭) is one thing, to lose yourself in the process is another.. something that will not be working in your favour. Release the anger, then come back with your sword ready.

I do still think the damage reduction on the lunge was quite hefty; it could use an increase, but honestly even if it's a smaller number (e.g 10, or if generous 15 more) then that, honestly, would be me happy enough as is.
Good luck out there, my fellow warriors. ⚔️ to become a Blademaster has never been this challenging, but.. you will get there eventually with patience and work!

[royal pier]

For those wanting to try out/improve at the MGL32, this technique can be useful for dealing with enemies that get up in your face because they know how worthless the MGL is at extreme close range.

[runic root]

Gross. Use a real gun that takes skill.

[royal pier]

Yeah the low recoil hitscans are truly more skillful /s.

[runic root]

at least i have to track and hit more than 2 shots and a dumb run lol

[royal pier]

Go play it, then come back.

I can't wait to see you fail and cope because the thing is harder to use than any hitscan in the game.

[runic root]

no thanks. Its a toxic way to play. Its zero fun to play, or play against

[royal pier]

Show me your XP page for your main build.

[runic root]

i dont play heavy period. Its gross

[royal pier]

Read much? I said MAIN BUILD.

[runic root]

okay ben

after this match, but all your gonna see is xp and arn

[royal pier]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

So you're a meta-crutcher, got it.

[dry stream]

these weapons are vastly stronger than the heavy grenade launcher

it's not even close how much easier they are to use

[steep lily]

People like you are the reason I main CL-40

[runic root]

if you play 18 hours a day and aim like a god sure its op

but you know what, to the average person who plays this game... nade launchers are far stronger, and easier to use. Cope

[steep lily]

Unlock APS please

[runic root]

huh

[royal pier]

If they were so easy, you would see the MGL32 more than once every, like, 30 matches.

[runic root]

i do. Its everywhere in world tour open your eyes

[dry stream]

don't think it's fair to use your bad aim as a means to justify your point there

[royal pier]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-lie-wrong-no-no-way-gif-43427437960130531

[runic root]

your right, you need aim to use an xp, sorry. Point stands, to average players, nade launchers are far easier and far better

[dry stream]

you're* gg

[royal pier]

Oh maybe I'm facing you and kicking your ass with MGL32 and that's why you think you see it all the time.

[runic root]

idc dawg we are in discord im not writing a formal letter

Ben i dont care

[royal pier]

Tbf I welcome a Medium taking up a gadget slot so that I can just delete it instantly. It means they probably don't have Glitch Trap or something.

[steep lily]

Real

[royal pier]

Then why start shit? You start losing and nope out, I get it.

[runic root]

lol

[runic root]

no further point in arguing. If you think shooting nades at someones feet is hard idk what to tell you. Lights have 150 hp. Not much champ...

[royal pier]

If you can't dodge the slow moving nades with harsh damage drop-off in terms of breakpoints, skill issue.

[runic root]

your right let me dodge the 8 nades in a small room where half if not more of the cashouts are

how did i literally never think of that wow. You have opened my eyes Ben

[shell sonnet]

If its a small room it should also be easy to get close to them and force self damage

[runic root]

your right, then a heavy gets defibbed, and i get defibbed, but im a light, so i lose that 10x over

[royal pier]

MGL32 only has 6 shots and I doubt you were being hyperbolic. So you're just kinda a hater without any knowledge.

[shell sonnet]

Sounds more like an issue with defib

That thing could use a rework anyways

At least it isnt way too strong for the time being

[runic root]

defib is broken yea. Its overused. I was being hyperbolic, there is no reason to doubt that. Goof ball

[solemn light]

what is this f-tier got reincarnated into an sss rank as rage bait im heading cuh

[solemn light]

in other news, if this does end up being added, whos it gonna go to?

[near scroll]

probably medium or heby, but medium already has model, so probs heby

[solemn light]

wont it clash with the ks tho? or mayvbe this ones a alternative to the other heavy shotgun

[near scroll]

if we make it buckshot and not slugs it wouldn't clash with KS, would clash with SA12 more but they're unique enough imo

[restive plover]

ty for that, it's a more useful tip than i'm getting from sizzle reels - i'd not thought to break its (edit: charge, that is) momentum to clear space instead of closing it. Despite loving the launchers i'm finding it as hard to get mileage out of as the tier lists suggest rather than having the ezstreet of ExoticBoost's hyperbole. :p

[solemn light]

thats true. maybe this has a tight spread, but low structure damage. like, really low structure damage

[slender crypt]

hmm

[south dew]

Heavy class needs this gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AN8hNngMyU&ab_channel=KentuckyBallistics

[brave scarab]

I’ll be back for season 7 gotta take a break. 75% of players just using m11 or xp54 and spamming pray and spray non stop no skill required.. I don’t even get how they’re having fun tbh

[restive plover]

squints at this strange trigger Do you have a shooter in your back pocket that avoids heavily incorporating automatic weaponry in the meanwhile? (edit: typo)

[near scroll]

TF2 and Hunt : Showdown

[restive plover]

My snark is undone.

[near scroll]

were you making a joke? i honestly wasn't sure lol, sorry

[restive plover]

very gentle snark at dabitos for being annoyed by something I think a lot of people actively like. But I like your good faith answer~

[near scroll]

i can understand him though, THE FINALS™️ has a lot of unique options so seeing the same unorinigal options being used 75% of the time gets tiresome

[restive plover]

Even those have their unique feel here... but fair enough.

[near scroll]

true, but it's pretty unoriginal compared to stuff like big man run towards you with hammer

[restive plover]

sad high ping melee collision detection noises

[near scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-in-distress-emoji-sad-emoji-disappearing-emoji-disintegrating-seokvrse-gif-25237004

[restive plover]

accurate depiction of me around sledgehammers

[terse gorge]

Me getting evaporated by three potatoe launchers

[near scroll]

honestly CL is super fun, they need to turn down the audio and visual clutter though. i think less people would be upset by it with that change

[restive plover]

Why does that thing create such extreme feelings in both directions? It's apparently both terrible to use and a scourge.

[terse gorge]

One side cant aim and the other one doesnt know how to survive it

[restive plover]

mystery solved

[terse gorge]

Light = Japan

Two hits by some american freedom and they are gone

[lucid quiver]

Make melee useable again! I haven’t seen a single melee in ranked. Still don’t get how double barrel one hits me as a light but sword is a 3 hit combo, even daggers heavy back stab feels so buggy.

[terse gorge]

Hello m8, riot main here, I join and demolish your lobbies if u want

Plat rn btw

[summer vigil]

Such an ego and in plat 😭😭

[terse gorge]

I dont know if I should take that as compliment or insult

I will go with compliment

[summer vigil]

Bit of humour is all

[terse gorge]

Road to diamond, wanna join

[summer vigil]

Can do haven’t played much ranked this ssn

[terse gorge]

Sarcasm and irony wins it all

[summer vigil]

💯💯

[terse gorge]

Europe?

[summer vigil]

Indeed

[terse gorge]

Well, well, well Sir Stan, it seems we have a date

[summer vigil]

Dm me your ign I’ll be on in halfa

[near scroll]

wdym can't aim, it's the only weapon i know how to aim with

[terse gorge]

I literally see so many people complaining that it doesnt do enough splash damage cause they cant even aim around the people

[restive plover]

afaic it gets sold as something that needs no aim and then people try it and don't realise you do in fact want direct hits?

[near scroll]

that much is true lol, hitting directs on mid air people feels so good though 😩
shame they're missing out

[exotic skiff]

Not like it require a lot tho

[near scroll]

precisely. or at least hit directly next to their feet, the AoE is pretty small

[restive plover]

i know i purchased it as first unlock thinking to use it until i learned to aim... before realising it is much less forgiving than the starter akm xD

[near scroll]

you with boolet point and click
me with nade think then point close enough then click

[exotic skiff]

That the issue, but the weapons is not rlly good so that fine

[terse gorge]

Its good enough that 3 of them can fuck a meta comp

(Not my team)

[near scroll]

aren't you a riot user? CL should be your nightmare no?

[exotic skiff]

Not rlly, if both team have the same level

[terse gorge]

Yes, but nama is with me literally (goo nade)

[exotic skiff]

Even worse

[near scroll]

i don't see the issue with a projectile wepaon with minimal splash dmg, you really need direct hits or really close hits to get decent damage
like ngl pike is pretty much as easy if not easier

[near scroll]

are you a auto hitscan gamer?

[exotic skiff]

Not rlly you at least need tom aim so

[exotic skiff]

Depend, playing a lot of ks recently for fun but normally yeah

And bow, but bow is actually very good

[terse gorge]

Bow is broken when u can aim

[near scroll]

you do realize on a scale from 0-100 hitscan requires 100 while CL requires like 95 right?

[exotic skiff]

I dont agree

[near scroll]

then idk what to tell u other than stop hugging geometry when fighting CL users

if u just bounce on a pad repeatedly, 95% of CL users just crumble and give up

[ripe kettle]

Give medium a new pistol. Preferably a sidearm that can dual wield specs/gadgets. Fast fire rate without dual wielding and a slower rate when dual wielding

[hexed tulip]

sidearm hammer for heavy
(not a sledgehammer!)

[near scroll]

hybrid melee/ranged weapons when?
baseball bat with baseball
hand crossbow and dagger
hunt showdown bomblance for heby 🥰
and many more

[queen pagoda]

Quick survey: do you think the CL40 is fair ?

[radiant orbit]

What do you mean by fair?

I mean it has the lowest ttk in the class and requires a direct hits to even hit that time.

Is the AKM fair? Sometimes it kills me when I’m not paying attention.

Is quick melee fair? When I stand completely still and don’t shoot people kill me with it.

[queen pagoda]

Fair in terms of balance.
2 hits to kill a light, 0.80s is not a low ttk for a weapon that hardly misses for anyone with the slightest notion.

You need -1 IQ to play shooting yourself in the foot, and kill yourself in the end without giving the kill to your opponent.
and finally it is not possible to reflect the projectile

[restive plover]

i have never seen a weapon in a game that makes people so stridently think it's at both extremes and it fascinates me. (I think it's mediocre, and fair)

[radiant orbit]

Hilarious analysis. Anyways why are you polling if you already have an opinion.

Agree with @restive plover btw. It’s pretty middling. Folks who know what they’re doing with it can do pretty good work but again that ttk is so low a good rifle player will end your fun real quick.

[queen pagoda]

that's why I'm asking, lol

and apparently everyone thinks it's fair... interesting

[restive plover]

I like how different it is, too. The wacky stuff is a Finals thing.

[radiant orbit]

Yeah how interesting

[inner parrot]

.

[restive plover]

i don't need it to be a beautiful and unique snowflake to be different enough from another rifle :p

[radiant orbit]

I just wish the riot shield would block consistently

[near scroll]

happens a lot around here haha

[radiant orbit]

Gonna go wreck people’s shit in powershift with the cl40 now out of spite.

[queen pagoda]

jumping and shooting on the ground?

[restive plover]

Boss, maybe hold off on queuing for a few minutes xD

[near scroll]

go play demat cl in QC, its more fun than spamming platform

[restive plover]

i pull it out in powershift if the other team gets a sudden death.

overtime, w/e

[radiant orbit]

Also good suggestion

[queen pagoda]

My problem wasn't playing against gl40, it was seeing how they play with.

[near scroll]

direct hits or splash the surface they're hugging (floor or wall)

number of ppl i got beefy splash on cuz they were taking a world zip that's next to a wall is surprising

[radiant orbit]

I got bored and swapped to revolver. Cl-40 is pretty good though.

[near scroll]

was it PS or QC in the end?

[radiant orbit]

PS. I’m back to my ol’ healer now.

[near scroll]

fair enough, good luck with your next games!

[ashen hawk]

Stuff NOT to nerf/buff:

• LH1
• Sword
• M11
• XP54
• AKM
• FAMAS
• CL40
• Dual Blades
• Shak
• Akimbo
• Lewis
• Sledge
• Flamethrower

Special Mentions-- Goo Gun, Turret, RPG, Grapple.

[near scroll]

could you explain your thought process for sword and dual blades, as well as turret?
also i think lewis recoil buffs would be nice, as it's supposed to be the mid range auto hitscan for heby but it's a bit hard to control at those ranges atm

[radiant orbit]

Just got a heavy for 349 damage with a nade and the akm before they killed me. That’s a personal record I think.

[fathom cove]

give ks-23 1-5 more damage so it can hit a light then melee to comfirm kill

[tranquil rose]

Sword needs adjusment ASAP, a lunge dealing only 105 is ridiculous considering you're goin melee with a 150 HP class with many ways to counter it. Was it annoying? Yes for sure, but decreasing 35 damage was a huge kick in the balls.

Dual blades is in garbage state as well, 3rd hit doing miserable 65 damage makes it pointless plus the inconsistent deflect.

AKM does deserve it's bullets back, but that's just it basically.

[slender bear]

Would this be too strong for light?

[tranquil rose]

It would be better as a gadget than a spec, I think it's very hard for light to give up it's specs that helps him survive or ambush for a team utility spec

But now as a gadget? Cool, think it might have uses

Though the gateway is already a very good mobility tool for the team

[shell sonnet]

speed boosts would make melee problematic (except maybe on light, but even thats questionable)

i would just not mess with that

[tawny spoke]

it takes way less skill to use the weapon but its still at a good spot imo

you have to actually aim for the head if you use an FCAR. Opposed to other guns with more bullets, etc. But that just comes with skill & training

the gimmick weapons & melee weapons after the buff just got way stronger & there’s little to no skill using it, unless its like sword

but cerb isnt near balanced so o well

[slender bear]

Would it be any better if it was only for the user?
It wouldn't be getting any team utility

[shell sonnet]

well, on light, might be fine if it was only for the user
but very likely not on anybody else

i still wouldnt mess with it tho because it could cause face stabbing issues or make the mosquito playstyle more annoying

[narrow roost]

It's actually kinda hard to hit 2 direct or .5m hits on a light with the cl

[narrow roost]

Anything speed related is going to be incredibly overpowered when not on light and it can easily feel bad to use or be useless if nerfed in traditional ways

[serene zealot]

healing gadget

[narrow roost]

You're in gadget chat we have that here

[serene zealot]

throwable preferrably

[narrow roost]

Oh you mean gadget gadget

That sounds really aids

Actually heavy can have that

Something something heal grenade that heals everyone in radius for 50 + lingering pool that heals 5hp/s for 5s or smthn

Maybe 10hp/s for 4

That might already be kinda busted though, any heal is very strong

[slender bear]

Another idea I had would be to make it something you drink, with only 2 charges, but it would be a 20% speed boost after a 2-3 second animation. The duration would only be 7 seconds though.

[narrow roost]

The only way i think any speed fuckery could be healthy for the game is if it's in the form of area denial or gadget that can backfire on you

Like an ice grenade that slows everything touching a particular floor in an aoe around it, or some "speed boost field" or something

"You go fast" would either be hard meta and really annoying or really bad as just a regular gadget

[slender bear]

It would be a whole spec, not a gadget

[narrow roost]

Well if it's a spec on medium then it should affect teammates and if it affects teammates then minigun is definetely getting nerfed

[slender bear]

It's a spec on light

[narrow roost]

I could maybe see it on light ish but only really cause light kinda does that already

But then it has to have no animation time, it's basically titanfall 2 stim or it's worse dash

And then in most cases it'd probably still be worse dash besides for plugging

[slender bear]

The whole idea of the animation is to balance the speed boost.
Going 20% faster on light would mean you are running in circles around people faster than they can track you, so being able to pop it instantly would be too much. The idea is that you have to pop it before a fight, because there's no way you can get it in the middle of one without dying.

That's also why the 6 pack would've only been 10%, because it's basically instant.

[winged rover]

hi, a question for the devs)
Do you have any plans to add a new "old solo mode" that I missed back in the day (even though I’ve been playing since almost the release)?
And one more thing — are you planning to add an option to choose maps/arenas?

[ashen hawk]

Something I should've mentioned is that when I mentioned the "no nerfs/buffs" thing, what I had in my mind was serious changes like heavily increase or decrease damage, increase recoil, change fire rates or whole mechanics.

Things like making recoil feel smoother, like the recoil changes they made to FAMAS and M11 this patch, aren't what I was talking about. Same goes for stuff like visual recoil, hitscan, accuracy buffs, and small tinkering with the guns to make them feel better, more consistent and fun to use. These changes should be applied to every gun if necessary if they make them better.

And most of my focus was on nerfs, as I recently got a bit shocked after seeing people complain about things like Flamethrower and M11. The guns that need small buffs like the Lewis recoil buff you mentioned wasn't the ones that I was talking about. Those would just make the gun feel better to play with, I was talking about changes that would shift the meta and whole balancing of the game.

@tranquil rose I'm pretty sure sword got buffed again, right? I mean, I played with it in Powershift today, and it felt like how it used to be to me.

I'll agree Dual Blades needs to be more consistent, it defo does.

But main focus of what I said was to counter people shitting on some guns that did not need to be nerfed.

[winged rover]

this sword? 😂 Catana is a little bent)

Katana* my bad, it's f translater

[tranquil rose]

The sword hasn't receive any buff after it was nerfed, at least it's what the wiki state since patch 6.3.0

[slender bear]

It got it's hit recognition improved along with every other melee weapon in 6.9.
What a game changer.

[tranquil rose]

It improved quality overall towards all melee for sure, but it wasn't a direct buff (like didn't change any values etc etc)

[narrow roost]

The sword nero i have to get the sword

[tawny spoke]

Embark you should add the p90 to the Medium class

[shell sonnet]

p90 feels like a heavy weapon

they still need an smg for contracts, right?

[tawny spoke]

aslong as it doesnt go to light. Then sure, you guys can have it

[radiant orbit]

Krinkov skin for the akm when 👀

[radiant orbit]

Y’all don’t understand how much I need that folding stock.

You could even do a unique fold out deploy animation like the “Fold and Hold” animation on the fcar.

Bonus points if this skin includes a green sling.

[radiant orbit]

Bundle it with some russian themed stuff. Green “Tradition’s Edge” helmet with a red star. Bear sticker. Vodka lower back accessory. Go crazy.

[warm falcon]

Would go hard but I doubt Embark would do this given that Russia isn't very liked currently

[radiant orbit]

Well then don’t do that idc. I just want the krink baybee.

[radiant orbit]

There’s a bunch of American themed stuff in the latest season, strange given that America isn’t very liked currently.

[pallid island]

buff the dagger so it one shots heavies in the face

[warm falcon]

That would mean other lights would die by looking at the dagger XD

[radiant orbit]

Buff heavy qm so that it one shots lights

[pallid island]

nah they should get banned for 6 days if hit with it

[warm falcon]

shows up, shows dagger, other light dies

I still want a Stim spec for light.

[stable smelt]

Definitely uninstalling this game. Maybe I'll check it out in a year or two. RIP thanks for the games if we ever played together

[pallid island]

i think stim should be medium

[warm falcon]

Why if I dare I ask ?

[pallid island]

if q held it heals if pressed it gives speed boost

[stable smelt]

Just isnt fun anymore. I dont like the direction its going, plust I'm getting older and dont enjoy cancerous loadouts and sweating it out every time. Maybe the direction will improve over time who knows.

[warm falcon]

I honestly thought of it less than in CoD and more in the sense of a Health Pack in TF2.

2 charges 60 sec CD

Each Stim charge heals the light for 40 HP Instantly and any excess healing is converted into temporary extra health. I.e: you get shot drop to 96/150 HP. You pop the first Stim, get healed to 136/150. Pop the second Stim, you get healed to 150/150 and the remaining 26 HP are bonus HP that disappears after 5s. So in this example the Light would have 176 HP for let's say 5s after the second Stim.

And yeah sure in this idea, Stim lights can get buffed up to 230 HP for a short time (~3.5s due to the animation for the second Stim and the 1s CD between the charges). But they'd use both of their heals, which are on a 60s CD instantly, potentially getting themselves killed of an opponents teammates or worse a whole new team shows up and they have no mobility and no heals to save themselves

[exotic skiff]

Does anyone have the chart with updated ttk pls ?

[shell sonnet]

up here

[exotic skiff]

thx

[pallid island]

invise is weak like dam

[radiant orbit]

The most recent nerf making it more visible was a bizarre decision too. It’s just kinda the worst spec rn yeah.

I kinda wish standing still crouched out of ads with it made you totally disappear. There might be some issues with folks camping out with the m11 or something but lights already do that so whatever. Right now it basically only gets used by new folks.

And there’s STILL the issue of being totally exposed when in a fight. If I get the drop on an invis light they’re boned 99% of the time.

Grapple is also lagging behind dash in terms of combat effectiveness even with how good it is for repositioning.

I’ve mentioned it before but I think it would be nice if grapple had two charges while in the air (i.e cooldown starts when you hit the ground no matter what), allowing you to cover greater distances while remaining skill based. It’d also allow you to stay airborne longer while firing down at enemies.

Tbh Light as a class is probably the messiest of the bunch balance wise rn. I’d be interested to see Embark’s internal statistics on weapon and gadget use in the class, I’ll bet it’s significantly narrower than every other class.

[radiant orbit]

Flamethrower skin

[somber halo]

id be down for it to be anything lolol, it just reminded me of the finals

would make the most sense being a goo gun skin bc its a caulk gun but idk if it would work like that

[radiant orbit]

Consider, killing floor 2 Caulk N’ Burn

[radiant orbit]

Ooh goo gun skin is a great idea actually

[somber halo]

either or would work

i use both goo gun and flame so it wouldnt really matter to me

[manic dove]

nah they have the minigun, its just like a submachine gun cuz its mini

[hot crag]

wow

[still sable]

alr guys i had this idea back in s3 but what if there was a specilization that could give you short bursts of intangibility

like you could walk through walls and fall through floors

[fringe grove]

I'm half tempted to put this in bug reports but is the dome shield supposed to block the data reshaper from working? Like are you supposed to not be able to data reshape the dome shield from outside the dome?

[plush harbor]

that seems intentional

[dawn sage]

can we get some ARN animations? I get it's the first season but it would make me happy

[past tiger]

What would you guys think of a radar specialization that grants a radar similar to Halo’s radar? Shows enemies who are moving, shooting, and whether they are above or below.

[obsidian nexus]

give us input matchmaking, i dont wanna fight robots that aim for people

[dim flume]

redesign ks23 I beg, I'll take launch ks23 thanks

[dim flume]

abolish aim assist in ranked multiplayer

[ashen hawk]

oh you mean that one big damage nerf? oh yeah. i mean just revert that nerf, plus remove the phantom strikes and the stupid ability to hit multiple targets that are not even in meelee range when doing the lunge attack. Its stupid that the sledgehammer hitbox can be reduced to make it "align better wth animations and make it look more realistic" but then you completely forget about the sword's lunge

[dim flume]

sword should stay dead and a meme weapon

[smoky jackal]

make things other than smgs and ar's good. its turning this game into just another gun game

[near scroll]

could we maybe get futuristic weapons in our VR gameshow that's set in the future? stuff like laser guns etc. ? that surely would give embarf more creative freedom in terms of unique weapon mechanics

[dry stream]

true, been swapping out invis nade for other util

[nocturne quarry]

dawg i can’t wait for killing floor 3

[radiant orbit]

I’m glad they pushed back the release date to address concerns, I’m still skeptical…

[quasi hornet]

I still can't believe that we can't cook grenades in the finals

[radiant orbit]

Would be nice tbh

[quasi hornet]

Yeah i think this would make using grenades easier and more versatile

[royal pier]

Probably because they want to avoid some dingus holding it too long near a Pyro barrel or friendly Pyro Mines and obliterating themselves and possibly nearby allies.

Honestly, I don't think frags need to be any better than they are now. The game is filled with more unique options, players don't need encouragement to use generic stuff.

[polar trout]

It is

[lunar hare]

Blow dart

[spark igloo]

Yes you can't reshape through shields

And fair enough this would make reshape go from good to insane

[coral root]

Add M320 as gadget for medium and delete CL40

[coral root]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-booing-me-im-right-gif-10368876

[inner parrot]

.

[jolly bison]

By the way, I got banned for Hudsigth in The Finals, with a 24-hour investigation. Please forgive me Embark, I will never aim at an enemy again. I will probably shoot at the knees, like 90% of other players, especially on maps where the sight is almost invisible.

I also propose to ban in advance all owners of monitors that can display a extra sight on the screen.

And also ban everyone with Snap tap keyboard.

[crimson rivet]

Add the PPSH-41 it's a great gun

[jolly bison]

Will be just a second m11 dude.

[crimson rivet]

Ok

[jolly bison]

U just like it?)

[crimson rivet]

Love it

[jolly bison]

Maybe the can add PPSH skin on m11.

[crimson rivet]

Sir the ppsh is not an m11

[jolly bison]

Dude, I know the difference between these weapons. I mean, how it will be integrated into the game. Because in the game, most likely, these will be weapons with the same purpose, and it would most likely be on Light.

But it would be interesting if they added PPSH with modern kits for mid. Maybe that would be cool.

[crimson rivet]

What's a mid tank kit

I just want a ppsh man

[jolly bison]

Sry, typo.

[pallid island]

the cerb and double barrel shot gun are high skilled weapon thats y high elo players use them

it takes 1 clip to kill anything that's lowkey 2 much so we should buff them so its one shot

[tawny spoke]

what’s high skilled about landing 2 shots & qm or 1 head & qm

i use cerb & easily go 30-5 in tdm it takes 0 skill. especially with demat

[tranquil rose]

Cerbs is not really high skilled at all, the weapon is super forgiving actually

Now the current model I do agree it's has a much higher skill floor

[atomic basin]

Give heavy a m30 drilling

[tranquil rose]

I would love the drilling but I guess we're done for shotguns for now

[hardy dust]

Not people falling for the cerb highskill ragebait

[hardy dust]

Btw shotguns dont have headshot multi

[dim flume]

unironically, ban hardware with assistance

firmware update to disable assistance from manufacturer to keep using it

[still summit]

More recoil for the SMGS

[coral root]

Add virtual extension skin for SCAR and Cerberus

[sleek jetty]

they should buff the sniper on the light class rn its ass

[radiant orbit]

Hmm. 60s Carry handle m16 skin for FCAR.

[radiant orbit]

Hmm yes I do think that’s correct.

Hmm good idea fishy

[jolly bison]

Yeah. It's better to ban a few thousand people in a game where there are about 10k online, instead of actually eliminating the reasons for using such things.

[dim flume]

I think legal cheats in gamer gear has to be discouraged one way or another

[royal pier]

If you mean Xim and the like, the problem atm is that they're very hard to detect, and when developers find a way to detect it, the hardware manufacturers just patch around it and it's back to square one.

Siege tried, and it only worked for a bit, unless something changed.

[dim flume]

I'm talking about things very broadly, from monitor black spots enhancing features to crosshairs or other assistance that allows an advantage in games included

[royal pier]

I don't think there's any way to detect such things.

[dim flume]

I think it is a slippery slope that should be discouraged actively and remain an exclusive niche and not a competition amongst manufacturers

[royal pier]

Not to mention, the crosshair thing can be accomplished with like a sticker.

[dim flume]

There are signed drivers, these things typically aren't plugged into your computer without a trace

Well if people are desperate enough to stick physical tape to their monitor, so be it, I think that's the lesser evil

[royal pier]

Do you really want to give a developer access to that level?

[dim flume]

they already do, anyway

[royal pier]

I think there's a detection issue as well. I'm not sure if they would be able to determine if a feature is being used or not.

And some features are just becoming standard.

The crosshair thing could be solved in this game by Embark just not having visual recoil and the like.

[bright hill]

How come shotguns feel so hard to use in the finals? As a console player, I've had lots of success with shotguns in other games, ie; CoD, Valorant, etc. But in the fiandl I get no damage while other people one and two tap consistently. What am I missing?

[royal pier]

Pellets, you're missing pellets.

[bright hill]

Not that kind of missing..

[royal pier]

I mean there's not much to it. Hit the upper body as centered as possible.

[bright hill]

No like what peice of the puzzle am I doing wrong

Like I get the aiming part

[royal pier]

There's not really a trick. You are either suffering from bad network performance from either you and/or the game, or you aren't getting close enough and hitting enough pellets.

There's no hidden BS. The only exception is the KS-23, but it's a slug.

[dim flume]

Movement is faster and more erratic in The Finals and it requires 2, 3 or more followup shots to effectively kill someone compared to the games you've mentioned @bright hill

[primal coral]

Hear me out brass knuckles

[deep mason]

@ruby echo @dusk heath @covert torrent Rope knife/dart for light or medium class that goes to the center line then moves as u move your aim but only the blade damages player not the chain and there is a skill curve to get used to the rope physics,this pic is from the game shady knight.

[tranquil rose]

Send this do game feedback, mentioning CMs wont do anything

[deep mason]

I already did

[primal coral]

What if you throw it to the side of a player and it’s moves with your head so it wraps around a player doing strangle damage if thrown from certain distances

[deep mason]

Maybe it depends on the rope physics

[tranquil rose]

So there’s no point mentioning then here, they already said they only pass things from the feedback channel so there’s no need to for that

[deep mason]

If u think it's a good idea and come on it's fun,then help in the suggestion thread on this idea

[tranquil rose]

My point is telling to you cease @s the CMs for every suggestion

[deep mason]

Ok

[restive plover]

it's going to take ages to recalibrate my expectations of hammers after so much super smash bros-ing people with one xD

[exotic skiff]

That not rlly and advantage and most of them are easy to detected but yet their not doing it

[restive plover]

I've been shocked how good the turret is while using the Cerberus, because I so often get people almost dead that the little extra matters. (Yes, I should be able to get them All Dead and not Mostly Dead, I'll get there and stop needing the crutch)

[lament mountain]

a specialization idea that i think would be really cool but would probably totally throw off balance
Objective Anchor
For Heavies
Unavailable in TDM
Tossable item, cooldown 60s
If thrown at an Objective, (A Cashout Station, The inside floor of the Platform, a Terminal) imitates the function of the user interacting with it
On a Cashout or Terminal that you're attacking, will begin stealing it at half the default pace.
On a Cashout or Terminal that you're defending, will make steals take 1.5x as long
On the Platform, will be considered as one player standing on the platform, stopping enemy progression and boosting your team's speed.
The Objective Anchor can be destroyed with two melee hits.
Similar to the Guardian Turret, cooldown does not start until the Anchor is destroyed.

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, youre probably right about that 2nd part

The objective takes as long as it does to allow for proper counterplay
Imagine you set up near your cashout, and someone attacks it, just that by the time you arrive, its already gone because they were using this
Even if it made a special sound on steal, you only know it once they already started
(Unless we also give it a really loud deploy noise, but judging by this games janky audio system, even that has a good chance to go sideways)

It would make brute forcing steals really really easy
And the only way to counteract it, is to also run it yourself, which then just nullifies the other, so both people have less interesting loadout choices, forced by meta, just to not be at a disadvantage

And it would probably majorly favor a heavy/medium meta, since they can actually decently defend a room head on, unlike light, which would become even weaker at high elo

[lament mountain]

hang on just to be clear, when i said "half the default pace," i meant half as fast. i can't tell if that's how you interpreted it or not

[shell sonnet]

That is the slow part on the defenders side

For attackers its supposed to speed it up right?

[lament mountain]

it doesn't speed up an attacker's steal, it itself is stealing, but half as fast

[shell sonnet]

Ah nevermind, miss-read
Thanks for the clarification
Lemme think about it a little, but i do have the feeling this may still be bad

[lament mountain]

yeah, i think perhaps good counter-balance would be meleeing anywhere on the cashout would be considered meleeing the anchor

[shell sonnet]

It would basically removes a lot of the risk from stealing

You place it and just run away
If anybody comes to destroy it, you get a free ambush/pick, making the following team fight even easier
It would also be incredibly easy to brute force steals
While it does take twice as long, no-one on your team is a sitting duck waiting to be shot at, everyone can react and counter
So youre basically forcing the enemy into a teamfight, but on a timer
If you just stall long enough, you win by default
And since the enemy has to waste ammo on your shields, you might just win the fight afterwards anyways and get to steal for free anyways

And what if you want to steal, but now a teammate has placed the anchor on the cashout?
You can either quick meele your teammates anchor, wasting their slot and potentially upsetting them (if you can at all)
Or you get to wait through a cashout steal twice as long that may not even work out and just waste time

It gives off vibes similar to how people spam defib on someone being 90% through a revive, bringing them back later due to the hologram, at 50% hp instead of full and without their items available, just so they can feel helpful or bloat their statistics without caring about their teammates

[terse gorge]

@still sleet skill issue

[still sleet]

Keyboard warrior

[hybrid lynx]

@terse gorge, why? I’m not posting what your saying should stop being spammed, but this discord has a LOT of spam. There’s no rule on it in #👂┇game-feedback, and thus people will do it

[indigo nexus]

There should be! There’s one wall of text message there that’s been posted fifty times now.

[terse gorge]

true, but I really like reading feedback and seeing that very long message twice per swipe up gets annoying pretty fast, its nothing personal, just annoying

[terse gorge]

defend yourself. Behold… the riot main

[dark path]

Is there anybody still using model shotgun i cant see any of then in my lobby it was a good gun in s3 why they nerf it

[hybrid lynx]

You can block them to make their messages smaller, that’s what I do

[terse gorge]

Its ok to say the least. Its usable but u need aim, I found it quite clutch in gold lobbies

[near scroll]

they nerfed it cuz it was overpicked, every other medium was running it.
now it's pretty mid, cerb's better for all-ins and revolver (if you can aim it) is better for close-mid range

[umbral ravine]

is fcar any good or there better medium weapons, ( i can aim)

[restive plover]

it's lower ttk than the akm you start with but less bullets, what's your taste

[merry imp]

Didn't play for a while but I'm back trying to level up my aps turret. Finally got it to level 5. Just 1 more to unlock the color I want 😎. Here's my levels for medium, what's yours lookin like?

[warm ginkgo]

Why can't i paste an image into here?

[hardy dust]

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[polar trout]

Would make glitches a lot better to counter it

[warm ginkgo]

dammit, i just wanna show my loadout

[surreal mountain]

NERF THE SKDFJHFBVASDFKJH GRENADE LAUNCHER

[rough carbon]

what about a cornershot

lower fire rate than the light pistol

or give it to medium

[royal pier]

What if defib'd players had the same effect that the Nullifier applies for the duration of what is currently i-frames? The visuals for that are more obvious, and it also avoids lessens the desync issues current defib has.

[warm ginkgo]

can someone explain how to use the gravity vortex well

[royal pier]

The problem I could see is that the camera would basically require rendering the entire game in miniature, which could be very intensive.

There's a reason a lot of "mirrors" in games have historically been a bot mirroring player actions instead of real reflections.

I would assume it's a similar problem.

[agile willow]

Changing player perspective to barrel in ads?

[warm ginkgo]

couldn't you just create a tiny minimap with dots for players? that shouldn't be too hard

[royal pier]

Idk how you would be able to shoot anyone based on that.

[royal pier]

I could see something like that maybe working. Not sure if you can "curve" optic perspectives, though.

Never seen it done personally.

[agile willow]

Idk about curve, just set the perspective to look from the barrel, like a scope does, but regardless i think the idea is unique but takes away from certain risks in the game

Like staying mobile, peeking/prefiring corners, and holding angles with higher risk

[royal pier]

That could theoretically work I would guess.

I could also see this leading to them somehow making the barrel act as the player's head.

So you could headshot them by shooting the barrel lol.

[agile willow]

Lmao gun hitbox

[royal pier]

They forgot to not let nullified players block attacks.

[agile willow]

And collisions too apparently

[royal pier]

So if a Light starts a fight using it, the target can just be an immortal shield for like 4-5 seconds.

[warm ginkgo]

well, you can see the corner you're sitting on and you can see when a player comes around it

[agile willow]

Wall hacks 😵

[agile willow]

Defib totem pt 2

[royal pier]

I don't want it to last super long, just the duration that the i-frames currently do.

[inner parrot]

.

[untold flame]

A skin for the smoke grenade that turns it into the head of a thurible would be sick

[wide onyx]

The hell is a thurible?

[untold flame]

those little balls on chains that Orthodox churches and churches in the plague era carried around to "purify" the Miasma

They would put little incense things in them cus they thought it would ward off bad air or spirits

[odd spindle]

lmao

[sterile spire]

I got stomped so hard by sa1216s today

is the weapon coming back in favour? was under the radar for a long time

[radiant orbit]

I think the sa1216 is sorta coming back around yeah. I think so much of the overall arsenal has been nerfed into the ground longer term players are looking at the funkier options to have fun.

I’ve even seen some pretty regular ks-23 use, and that gun has famously blown goats since its release. Times are tough.

[ebon juniper]

So, is it a known bug that goo gun sometimes shoot "blanks", like it shoots/consumes magazine count but it doesn't properly place the goo at all.

[sterile spire]

I've been getting pretty great success with Akimbo Deserts, Lewis, is the arsenal for heavy really that bad nowadays? Since the time I played in season 3 last, I think quite a lot has changed and it's more grounded but fun and rewarding to use

I really like the shak in general, really good weapon to use, has a great feeling but it's just not enough to have just 20 bullets

Lewis is in the state that it's worse than season 1/2 but better than season 3 and it properly feels like the gun I knew, has 47 bullets and (idk the numbers but) similar damage to shak

So I don't see why people choose shak over lewis

But I agree heavy could use an automatic rifle so shak should get the fcar treatment imo

[radiant orbit]

It matches up well against medium’s ARs and light’s SMGs at close range, that’s about it unfortunately.

[sterile spire]

I've never had a problem matching a light or medium with lewis tbh

when the beam is right, it just works

[royal pier]

I prefer it using ShAK-50 with Winch since the hipfire is pretty good. Just takes 5 hits on a light.

[sterile spire]

I see

[royal pier]

ShAK-50 is interesting because it has the double bullet gimmick in addition to a fairly long reload if you fire until empty. So you gotta try and leave 1 shot left for the tac reload.

[sterile spire]

ah that's interesting

[royal pier]

But if you land both bullets on the head, people melt.

[sterile spire]

Well to be fair, if you land headshots in general people melt, the finals really rewards those headshots

I have a clip of an insane laser beam with fcar on another medium

[royal pier]

Yeah but the ShAK-50 is on another level.

[sterile spire]

short range, but bro ran away in fear

[sterile spire]

I feel you. I've played maybe just a few matches with it until I tried the Lewis and realised I'm not going back lol

[exotic skiff]

Sas12 is better because you know you Can wipe an entire team without reloading

[sterile spire]

so I don't think I got much headshots

Either way, nowadays I'm playing a lot of medium and enjoying that fcar and repeater sometimes

quick scopes are satisfying af

[serene zealot]

a throwable healing for the heavy

[oblique crypt]

tmeowtmeot

[analog nimbus]

I JUST FATHOMED THE DUMBEST THING FOR LIGHT AND IT ILL BE FUNNY:
The Suballista:
a sticking Bomb launcher. For light
With more of a trap making gimmick.

The launcher has
3 shots, and direct fire deals about 60-80
with a small blast radius. And deals a small amount of Structure damage, with a limit of 6 placeable lights can either use this as a objectively worse Cl-40, or can place explosive player traps as they detonate rapidly by hitting the melee button or contact with the small explosive, (dealing 90-100 and bonus structure damage)
that doesn't give a mark as to where it is

[winter jay]

The shak is reliable. Not really any recoil and it’s better up close than the others.

[muted topaz]

Give it two shots and not able to place six and just make it a gadget

[sterile spire]

It's easy to miss shots if your enemy is not a sitting duck, 20 bullets is really punishable

I wouldn't call that reliable if you often have to reload mid gunfight

[restive plover]

reliable is impossible if you are missing :p

[sterile spire]

Sure but you can't tell me lewis is not gonna pick up your slack

I love the fcar, the 25 bullets is just barely doing it for me 😄

[royal pier]

So I had an idea for a gadget that lets Heavy cycle through the available map throwables, then when thrown it spawns three of them.

[analog nimbus]

That sounds like a better data reshaper

[static fossil]

man gotta love using invis as your specialization only for it to become pointless because someone switches to thermal vision :/
like thermal just invalidates invis ontop of all the other gadgets that make it too situational.
it would be nice if the invis specialisation had some benifits that makes it unique from the invis grenade.
like being immune to those sweaty players who use thermal vision to just hunt you down or like immune to glitch traps?

[limber ingot]

true

[whole violet]

anyone have a link to the TTK graphs/comparisons for this patch?

[tame aspen]

Dagger fastest ttk

[long tangle]

Is the tracking dart worth to run at all? I just think it's better to ping and shoot no?

[royal pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1377496548149035100/Derivative.gif

[restive plover]

do pyro grenads still stick to riot shields like some old youtube videos about the shield suggest or is that long fixed?

[lilac hemlock]

👀

[deep mason]

U draw cool stuff how about this idea?

Rope knife/dart for light or medium class that goes to the center line then moves as u move your aim but only the blade damages player not the chain and there is a skill curve to get used to the rope physics.

Look up the game shady knight to play it

[lilac hemlock]

Hmmmmm..🤔 Ok

[misty elbow]

it correlates to ping a lot ime, but idk, ive never heard someone directly call it out tho

[misty elbow]

yeah not worthh

[icy sparrow]

This too https://youtube.com/shorts/-71MHEADkVo?si=bu2BQZR8kTwY1Xo7

[icy sparrow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ic0MONjH1Ws?si=Hesd7arTUQOE4gbJ

[misty elbow]

i just dont see it being practical or providing any team value, its basically just "gadget that deals damage" and thats not very useful considering you yk, have weapons, rpg works cause its long range, this aint, and either way its a selfish gadget or if its a specialization it just isnt worth the trouble of giving up your teamplay

[deep mason]

Not a gadget a weapon that changes direction with ur aim with rope physics, mostly a fun gimmick weapon like most melee

[spice vigil]

new dagger animation pack goes crazzzyy

[plucky spade]

No. But it could be a nice fortification tool

[lilac hemlock]

What about the Isul-t Butterfly knife?

https://tenor.com/view/iseul-t-gif-9612440322705668526

[radiant orbit]

i like the grenade it’s nice.

I didn’t much like reducing charges to 1 when it first came around but I’m kinda for it now. It was kinda a must pick for a while, now it sits pretty comfortably amongst the other nades.

[shell sonnet]

skill issue 😔

[normal ice]

@hexed mauve Why the hell would you use Sword when DB 2-shots everything, faster, and with range?

Normally I don't try to attack character, but my man, are you playing WT or Ranked? Or just Quickplay all day? I've been grinding almost a hundred hours of WT since the nerf, and I've seen TWO Swords. They both lost.

[hexed mauve]

What is DB 2 ?

[normal ice]

Double Barrel -- AKA the SH1900

[hexed mauve]

Even double barrel is not well balanced, and no I haven't seen any sword players since the nerf (maybe one or two) doesn't mean the weapon is bad

Deagles are really good but I don't see a lot of people using them

[normal ice]

I don't know how much you play or where, but I see Deagles players rather often...? Like, at least one per WT tournament?

If nobody is using Sword, that's probably because it doesn't perform well. Try it sometime and you'll see that every Light weapon performs better than it

[hexed mauve]

I have like 900 hrs of gameplay

[hexed mauve]

Trust me if you have good movement (dash) or (grapple) you can kill anybody with the sword

110 damage is still a lot

[normal ice]

It's not 110 😭

[hexed mauve]

And you can't convince me that the sword wasn't broken before

[hexed mauve]

wdym it is ?

[normal ice]

It's 105

They specifically chose 105 so it wouldn't "one-shot" Lights

[real veldt]

lyrit why u getting pressed over what someone else is playing

let ppl play what they enjoy and wanna play bruh

[normal ice]

I'm only replying to them because they replied to me in feedback

[hexed mauve]

don't worry we just arguing nothing serious

[hexed mauve]

oh my bad then

but yeah sword is definitely not used as before

but it's still decent in my opinion

[normal ice]

Sorry man, but it has no use unless your hitscan aim and Dagger aim are both terrible -- and even then, just play melee on M or H (or even Flamethrower)

[plush mountain]

Started playing a few days ago, is this a solid loadout?
Turret
FCAR
Defib
Prox Sensor
Gas Nade

[jagged relic]

Looking for group

[normal ice]

FCAR is solid, Defib is solid... but:

1. Turret is straight ass, sorry. Demat is meta, or use Healing Beam if you already have demat or sufficient terrain destruction.
2. Proximity Sensor is okay, but if you can get used to listening for the the sound Glitch Trap makes when it zaps someone, it's practically an upgrade.
3. Gas Grenade is okay, but consider experimenting with Gas Mines for more frequent and controllable gas clouds.
4. Having Zipline and/or Jump Pad is meta. Jump Pad is the more popular of the two. You don't absolutely need to have them, especially if your team already has good movement and positioning, but consider at least having one on reserve to help counter close-range opponents or scale tall map geometry.

(Movement gadgets can also help you get closer to opponents if you or your teammates are playing close-range.)

[plush mountain]

Why is the turret bad? It seems to just be free info as afar as I can tell

And info is 100% the most important thing to me

[real veldt]

it is free info, but it isnt very versatile
something like demat has a lot more uses and is generally better in every situation, can save your life and the game much more than turret can

[plush mountain]

Yeah that makes sense-

[real veldt]

turret is super clunky on attack because it doesnt do enough damage to really be a proper weapon before someone notices it, so if u use it as an info tool it is sort of a wasted spec slot that u can replace for something like demat that can stall, create off angles, close angles, loads more.
in ither words, turret is fine but it isnt worth having over demat/heal gun. basically a glorified prox sensor if that makes sense

[plush mountain]

Is the heal gun an active tool you use or is it something you just trigger and you can have a gun in hand WHILE you heal?

Oh another thing, what's the argument between the AKM and FCAR?

[real veldt]

hope ur liking the game so far !! idk if u tried all classes yet but each of them has a lot of interesting stuff so be sure to give them all a shot

heal beam is like mercy from overwatch - u just heal or u just shoot not both at once

it has an overheat mechanic tho where if heal alot then it will cooldown for like 8 seconds ish (idk exact time)

[normal ice]

It's an active tool, but think about it like this: it doesn't require an animation to reload, and it gives you something to contribute to the fight whenever you aren't in Line of Sight of an enemy

[real veldt]

akm has more bullets and differemt recoil, fcar has less bullets and diff recoil. pretty much personal preference

i like akm more cause i find the recoil easier and the extra bullets r forgiving + easier to fight heavies or multiple lights, but fcar shreds lights sometimes ill swap

[plush mountain]

Yeah it's pretty fun! I missed the hype train completly cus I dismissed it as a fad, but a few of my friends who stuck with the game got me to try it and its alot of fun :> Only actually played medium so far though- The other classes seem a bit too extreme

[plush mountain]

I'm assuming you can't heal yourself with it too..?

[real veldt]

super fair, they take some getting used to. also dont be afraid to try weapons that stand out since game does a pretty good job of making everything usable (mostly)

[thick holly]

I've been trying to use heal beam more since I wanna try to play more support

[thick holly]

No you can't, only teammates

[normal ice]

No, but you know how you regenerate HP when you haven't been hit in a while? You can heal others while you take cover and heal up for yourself :^)

[thick holly]

I've been enjoying heal beam, I used to play turret a lot because me and my friends found it fun to put 3 turrets all together

[plush mountain]

I like playing supportive roles but I HATE the co-dependancy support brings with it, so just tagging on a bit of healing sounds nice

[thick holly]

Yeah, I also enjoy using it more cuz it helps me stay with my team more

cuz for a while I had an issue where I'd subconsciously split off, but I've been improving at that

[thick holly]

Also I really like your profile picture :>

[plush mountain]

OMGOSH TYSM !! <3

[thick holly]

Yw

[north perch]

Demat
Fcar
Pyro
Zipline
Defib

My duo plays grapple lh1

[thick holly]

Actually something is like to see for the heal beam is maybe an alt fire thing. Even though it does already feel pretty balanced it would be interesting to see some more functionality.

What I'm thinking is either

1. Being able to split the beam to heal two teammates at once (healing amount is halved)
2. A fast healing burst that depletes charge very quickly

[plush mountain]

oo i like the latter one

[thick holly]

Yeah, I'm not sure how much it would mess with balancing though

[plush mountain]

probably alot </3

I'll make sure to grab the heal beam though! I'm kinda scared to buy things without knowing if they're good or not still- Scares me off light and heavy

[thick holly]

heal beam can be really good

But it mainly depends on play style. If you wanna play more support then it's a good pick

[plush mountain]

I like supportive yeah :>

[thick holly]

Same, I've been really enjoying heal myself

[plush mountain]

I like healing in a "My team needs me to survive" kinda way, not a "I like helping :3" kinda way TwT

[thick holly]

How I see the 3 medium specializations. It's not a perfect representation but you get my point

Demat: Offensive
Heal: support
Turret: defensive

[thick holly]

Mhm

I like playing very casual, and sometimes it's hard for me to process what's going on. I like heal beam and turret because I can still provide support without feeling overwhelmed

[plush mountain]

Makes sense

[thick holly]

I'd say demat requires more game, map, and enemy position knowledge to work very well. But it's still a great pick

[normal ice]

@dusky field #👂┇game-feedback message
You have to aim at their head to deflect their bullets properly. Their bullets come out of their heads (where their cameras are positioned). It sounds unintuitive, but it works.

[dusky field]

Oh damn ty ty i didn't know that thought the game is being trash again ☠️

[thick holly]

That's good to know, I'll have to try this out later

[dense snow]

Anyone have any advice for playing with sword in the current meta? I've been maining it since S1 and struggle to make it a useful weapon in WT or Ranked now. Seems like throwing knives serves the same purpose with better TTK

[wind folio]

nerf riot shield, it makes you almost invincible

[dense snow]

I'm surprised they haven't touched riot sheild yet, it's only good counter is melee weapons and nades

[normal ice]

Sorry, but just don't try to use Sword. It's completely obsoleted by other options at the moment. Its mobility and multihit niches are currently not strong enough to make it a viable weapon.

[normal ice]

No, Riot Shield doesn't need a nerf lol. It takes practice, but you can just shoot their feet. CL-40 and Flamethrower are even easier to hit them with

[dense snow]

That was kind of what I figured. Throwing knives kinda fits the same playstyle while having some ranged options too, but generally I've found myself switching to heavy

[normal ice]

I feel you. I wish Sword wasn't gutted so hard. It was the only weapon I actually liked using on Light

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